Fiscal Cliff Deal: Final Proof Democrats Cannot Compromise

In the wee morning hours of New Years Day, the Senate passed the new bill to avert the “fiscal cliff.” They stonewalled up until then to create the illusion for the public that they swooped down in their superhero capes at the last minute to save the day.

And all the talk over the past few months about Republicans’ refusal to compromise can now, finally, after seeing what kind of deal the Democrats gave them, be tossed into the BS bin; the agreement reached shows, if anything, that Republicans are the greatest compromisers we’ve ever seen and Democrats are the worst we’ve ever seen.

What is the compromise?

Democrats: Hey, GOP, have we got a deal for you!

Republicans: Go on.

Democrats: You’re gonna love this. Okay, for every $41 that you guys agree
to raise taxes by, we Democrats will cut spending by–get ready for this,
you’re gonna love it–a dollar!

Republicans: Wow, that’s incredible! We’ll take it!

Yes, that’s right: the deal reached has the President increasing taxes by $620 billion and agreeing to cut only $15 billion in spending, a 41:1 ratio of taxes to cuts. So the problem of too much spending, which almost everyone, including Democrats, agrees is a major problem, is to be put on the back burner and worried about some other time because Democrats are so sexually aroused by the idea of taxing people that it inhibits their ability to reason.

(Note that Senators Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, my dream 2016 presidential ticket, both voted No on the deal, adding another notch to their conservative credentials.)

This is not the only instance of Democrats’ being slimy weasels and Republicans’ being weak pushovers. From Americans for Tax Reform:

”In 1982, President Reagan was promised $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes. The tax hikes went through, but the spending cuts did not materialize. President Reagan later said that signing onto this deal was the biggest mistake of his presidency. In 1990, President George H.W. Bush agreed to $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes. The tax hikes went through, and we are still paying them today. Not a single penny of the promised spending cuts actually happened.”

So what is likely to happen, if history is any indicator, is that we will never see the $15 billion in spending cuts promised by the Democrats and Obama. Not that it was anything to write home about in the first place.

Happy New Year.







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  • DeaconG

    What would you do ? Play Ball or Take A Fall ?
    Our Senators and Representatives have all made Millions of Dollars with Insider Trading.  Insider Trading is a Felony. When they were exposed they declared “it isn’t illegal for us there is no law” when in fact there is and was a LAW ! So they pretend to pass a bill that says insider trading is illegal, unless the “Ethics Committee” approves it….ah huh.  Now you have made millions and the President knows it, as he has too. He tells you “ Don’t stand in the way of my agenda, or we will see you are prosecuted, forced to surrender your ill-gotten gains and sent to prison. What will happen to your reputation and family?
    So they agree to keep quiet concerning his agenda and place of birth, violations of the Constitution on multiple occasions and agree not to interfere, but rubber stamp his demands. They allow him to use Signing Statements to circumvent Congress and the Senate, they allow him to start wars in countries where we have no business being and it goes on.  
    I wonder if John Roberts changed his position on Obamacare for that very reason, damned if you do but really damned if you don’t.
    We have a choice and we had better be ready to fight for our country and  freedom. Our Children and Grand Children rely on us to protect them and provide them with a Free Society and Country to live in.
    Now they are trying to Take Away our ability to fight for our very lives with an attempt to Confiscate  our weapons. “Register them” they say and be a slave or a criminal, then comes complete disarmament of the people.  Diane Feinstein is after our guns AGAIN and she has made it clear they intend to confiscate our guns.  This woman went into the Senate with a reported worth of 1 Million Dollars, she now has 100 Million Dollars. What a great job  right ? Come and Take Our Weapons Diane!  We will not comply and we will fight you and the rest of the liberal/communists/New World Order Statists to the end. You Will Lose. You underestimate the Will of The People at your own peril.
    This Fiscal Cliff nonsense is just that, BS no spending cuts but massive Tax Increases, they keep playing ball. But hat game is going to be called soon enough.

    • pguild01

      @DeaconG Impeach Barack Obama!

      • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

        @pguild01  @DeaconG My wish is that EVERY PERSON BREATHING PAY TAXES! DROP THE IRS ALTOGETHER AND HAVE AN ACROSS THE BOARD 10% flat tax on whatever money comes into your household by any means…NO EXCUSES, NO EXCEPTIONS! NO DEDUCTIONS! Where do you think this country would be then? Those very people who DO NOT PAY TAXES are the very ones that are making DAMN SURE we, the working people GET TAXED MORE to keep supporting them as they suck every social program our tax dollars provide! THEY ARE VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS! I honestly feel if you DO NOT contribute to the government, you should not be allowed to VOTE TO ELECT LAWMAKERS!

    • Charie66

      @DeaconG Congress has not all benefited from insider trading.  That throws bricks at our legislators who are working as hard as they can for their constituents.  Why use such an all-encompassing brush to tar everyone?  It’s unfair and untrue!

  • Willik

    Why compromise when all they have to do is hold their breath until their cheeks turn blue and the Republicans will roll over and give them anything they want just to shut them UP!
     
    Only problem: THEY DON’T SHUT UP!!! They pull an Oliver Twist and demand MORE!!!

  • bobseeks

    The GOP should not compromise with the dems because to compromise with evil is to become evil yourself.

    • Smilee

      @bobseeks you left out that the last election stripped them of enough power so thet had no choice in the matter, this more about power than evil and the GOP is hurting on that level. SORRY!

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @bobseeks NEWS FLASH…the RINOS are as evil as the democrats…..have you been under a rock or something?

      • Smilee

        @demlibsuk  @bobseeks Your so confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Charie66

        @demlibsuk  @bobseeks Does a good Conservative who voted for the bill come under your heading of RINOs?  There was a reason for it, you know.   Everyone’s taxes would have risen had the bill not passed.  The Bush tax cuts would have expired which would have hit all the tax brackets.  These tax cuts impacted the middle class (you know, the ones that the Democrats keep saying didn’t have tax cuts – only millionaires and billionaires) most of all and these people would have been astonished to see how much their taxes increased.  The Republicans, in effect, saved the people in the middle roughly between $2,000 and $2,500 in taxes per year.  Sometimes we’re not as well informed as we think.

  • The Bob

    The Dems won’t talk because they know what they are doing is for the good of the People. They know that we poor people do not have an understanding of things like the economy, foreign affairs, spending, or life in general, they are our big brother’s looking out for us, they care about us and know they have to protect us as we can not. They see this and know they are right as they see the greater good, that we poor people can not as we don’t have the smarts too do so. The Liberals only want to protect us from ourselves, with friends like them who needs enemies.

    • pguild01

      @The Bob We the people understand enough about those things to know that the U.S. Federal Government is pathetic.

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @The Bob The democrat politicians KNOW the poor people are to ignorant to know what they are up to….and they want to keep them that way. Why the heck do you think they want people like Rush and Fox News silenced? Because they tend to tell people the truth…and eith Fox News…they tell you the truth some of the time…not all the time, but any talk radio host that is a conservative, the left wants them silenced because they FEAR their ignorant voting block might find out the truth and leave the democrat plantation.
      Go back in History! LBJ said the democrats would have those F ing n****rs voting democrat for 200 years and so far he has been right.
       
      The democrats are the very party that started the KKK it kill and scare blacks into NOT VOTING REPUBLICAN, yet the blacks LOVE the democrats.
      The democrats voted AGAINST civil rights, yet the blacks LOVE the democrats.
      Hence… they are too ignorant to see what the democrats are doing to them and HAVE ALREADY DONE TO THEM.
      Example: Look at all the big cities that  have LARGE black populations in poverty and ruin…..(Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Harlem, etc.), ALL have been run into the ground by the democrats! The democrats have been elected repeatedly over and over and over again, yet the blacks can’t see who is actually causing the problems,  and as usual, the republicans/whites are being blamed for all the blacks problems….again…they are just too ignorant to see what the truth is…..nor do they want to see the truth! THAT is why the democrats keep winning elections…they KNOW their voting block will NEVER SEE OR ADMIT THE TRUTH!

  • Raymond123

    After being interviewed by the school administration, the prospective teacher said:  ‘Let me see if I’ve got this right.  ‘You want me to go into that room with all those kids, correct their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse, monitor their dress habits, censor their T-shirt messages, and instill in them a love for learning.  ‘You want me to check their backpacks for weapons, wage war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, and raise their sense of self esteem and personal pride.  ‘You want me to teach them patriotism and good citizenship, sportsmanship and fair play, and how to register to vote, balance a checkbook, and apply for a job.  ‘You want me to check their heads for lice, recognize signs of antisocial behavior, and make sure that they all pass the final exams. ‘You also want me to provide them with an equal education regardless of their handicaps, and communicate regularly with their parents in English, Spanish or any other language, by letter, telephone, newsletter, and report card.  ‘You want me to do all this with a piece of chalk, a blackboard, a bulletin board, a few books, a big smile, and a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps. ‘You want me to do all this, and then you tell me…… I CAN’T PRAY?’

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Raymond123 And we WONDER why our nation is in a mess?  That’s exactly the root of it!

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @Raymond123  That must be one of the very few non union teachers out there…..the union teachers DO NOT TEACH PATIOTISM! They only teach liberalism/socialism!

  • white wolf

    and again the repush overs  [ republicans ]  caved I would have prefed to go over the cliff then when the voting public sees what the dems did they might wake up . But  i doubt it  it would be they would just blame it on the republicans to “not give” in again . so there is nothing new in Washington  to calla happy new year . ba hum bug.  wait until the revolution starts.  Long live the real Americans and the Tea Party .  kick a lot of them out in 2014. both parties.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @white wolf I take it you didn’t see the prep work in the media for that eventuality; wherein the Repubs would STILL be blamed for pushing the nation over the cliff and all that followed?  This was a situation that had NO winnable position for Repubs/conservatives in it!

  • PghVince

    ni666ers don’t compromise, they want what they want, when they want it and if they don’t get it, they’ll steal it!!
    A ni666er by any other name is still a ni666er and DON’T ever forget it!!  
    If you don’t know that by now, you must be another idiot libturd!!

    • BobLamothe

      @PghVince Something this offensive must be a troll.

      • LTCB

        @BobLamothe  @PghVince It’s a liberal trying to act like a conservative.  What they don’t understand is that NO actual conservative would say that let alone write it publically.  They’re a commie sympathizer.

      • Born1979

        @BobLamothe  @PghVince i’m not offended, it’s the truth. part of the problem with this country is everybody is too soft. the political correctness is a joke, oh don’t say this, don’t do that, don’t …. everything is offensive to somebody..so what, get thicker skin.

        • BobLamothe

          @Born1979  @PghVince The evil of political correctness is that it is used to silence the truth.  Raw bigotry accomplishes the exact same goal.  It’s highly likely that PghVince wanted to make it appear as if this everyone who visits here is a bigot.  I simply took the first step to expose it.

        • PghVince

          @Born1979   Thanks, you’re the only one that gets it!!
          I tell it like it is and to hell with the opposition, they are the trolls!!!!
          THEY are dishonest and can’t handle the truth, like idiot libturds!!

        • Charie66

          @PghVince  @Born1979 You sound more like a Lib troll than ever.  Get the heck off this comment section!!

    • pguild01

      @PghVince Your comment is quite offensive.  Cut it out.

  • SandraLeeSmith

    There’s a difference between “cannot” and “will not” and it was the latter that took place!  A WILLFUL act on the parts of the Dems and those Repubs who voted with them; and to call it otherwise is a LIE!

    • Charie66

      @SandraLeeSmith  You’re correct in that it was a willful act.  I posted above why quite a few of our good Conservatives voted for it.  Also, spending cuts will come up in a couple of months and there will be no fear of people’s taxes being raised at that time.  And please don’t forget this……… the Republicans still only hold one half of one  branch of the government!

  • pguild01

    Next get the spending cuts before voting for the tax increases.  Another thing the U.S President, U.S. Senators, and U.S. Congresspeople are all idiots.  You’ve pushed us too far.  Revolution is the only answer.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @pguild01 You’d THINK they’d’ve figured THAT out from the LAST round, just this past summer over the “debt ceiling, which we ran into again last Monday, for a New Year’s “gift”!

      • Charie66

        @SandraLeeSmith  @pguild01 What is it that you don’t understand about Obama and his gang not compromising at all.  He stands in front of the cameras and blathers on about it’s time the Republicans compromised when you know darned well, he will compromise on nothing.  It’s all a farce and he’s the star.
         
        I believe he wanted us to go over the cliff so he could have blamed the Republicans for it.  He did not want that bill to pass and he thought the Republicans in the house would put it over. He got a surprise.

  • RightStuff44

    Liberalism is an evil insidious dialectic that will not let up. It is possessed and governed by an evil force that wishes for a Utopian world that is not achievable. Therefore, it can keep promising stuff, and the gullible will fall for it.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @RightStuff44 AMEN!

  • Smilee

    I believe the agreement on spending was extended to months before the automatic cuts take effect and that they are still on the table only the date of expiration  has been changed so this article leaves that bit of information out and is prematurely calculated.

  • gwt305

    Democrat equals Communist

    • JohninVirginia

      You are 100% correct.  When Norman Thomas used to run every four years for President of the U.S. on the communist ticket, he remarked that the need to run was becoming less and less because the Democrat Party had adopted all the planks of his Communist Platform.

      • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

        @JohninVirginia No truer words have been posted here today!

  • DeanBraun

    A sad day for America except the dems don’t realize it yet, the idiots.

  • Schreckschraube

    And that’s way you don’t comprise anymore……. When a Republican or a so called conservative compromises, center moves to the left. It is now way to the left of center to meet at center. I still can’t figure out why or how the GOP became so gutless, unless they are in fact, progressive republicans, which is hardly a conservative in my humble opinion. Washington is a pig pen. F-ing disgusting a-holes. Spend, spend, spend………..Who cares about trillions of dollars of debt owed to freaking China….

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Schreckschraube What you’re not yet seeing is that there IS only ONE party, with ONE agenda, and it presents 2 “heads” so the gullible won’t catch on that it is the SAME one; while they worked out their agenda; now it’s to the point they really DON’T CARE because the control via fiscal and political power, globally resides under the direction of ONE person, who isn’t in the US, and his goal as per HIS master, is to obliterate this nation entirely, from memory as well as existence!

      • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

        @SandraLeeSmith  @Schreckschraube You speak the truth…..

      • Charie66

        @SandraLeeSmith   I’m not sure where you get your information but you couldn’t be more wrong.  Not being a conspiracy theorist myself, I have a hard time believing that in less than two years the Conservatives we sent to Washington have already been co-opted by whoever you think is engineering the whole world’s agenda.

  • http://wowway.com/ Randy Gaiser

    The spineless Republicans remind me of a group of Jellyfish, I don’t understand how they can even walk, with such weak backbones. This is the worst group of COWARDS that have ever been elected to office.
    Anybody that is too weak or too STUPID to see what the Democrats were going to do, and are so afraid that they would be blamed for the “fiscal cliff”, are TOO WEAK and DUMB to hold the position of authority they hold and need to be replaced, TODAY. I think they should all be recalled and subjected to another election, NOW.
    This may be wrong but, the Republican Party just lost one of their strongest supporters, ME. I will not support these chickensh-ts with one more dime of my money, as long as they have the leadership they currently have.
    Watch how easy they will cave in for the next DEBT CEILING LIMIT increase, after being told by the KING, that he will not stand for any debates on this issue. These COWARDS don’t have any idea of how our form of government is run or what part they play in our government.
    It is time for an all out REVOLT, where we the people take back control of our country and protect our CONSTITUTION and our RIGHTS.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Randy Gaiser ALL are members of or supporters of the CFR; regardless what letter follows their names; that’s how they get ONTO a ballot in the first place!

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @Randy Gaiser WOOP WOOP!

  • RobertLCraft

    i wouldnt give you 2 cent for any of you politicians.all of you has already shown you are not for the people of this once was great country,but you people have ruined that also.i for one wish we didnt have a government.you have sold us out,just give this country to china for you owe them enough of what you have borrowed.with out the peoples say so.all you can think of is big government.we the people have lost all faith in all of you even the so called president.

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @RobertLCraft I don’t want those idiots to give my country to china….I’D RATHER FIGHT for her and try to save her…calling all patriots….calling all patriots!

  • Rick299

    Still can’t accept reality!  Just keep thinking it’s all the Democrats fault and watch them win the majority of the House in 2014.  Remember the POTUS caslled for a $250k threshold before the election and then he WON…get it.  Going to $400 is a compromise, morons..

    • Charie66

      @Rick299 Perhaps you could remember that almost half of the people in this country did not vote for Democrats.  Obama will not compromise with a Republican on anything.  If they say “up” he immediately says “down “.   When they say “save” he says “spend”.  That isn’t going to change.  Democrats haven’t known how to compromise for 8 years, so you might pull in your horns a little, Sunshine!
       
      P.S.  You might want to be more careful with your posting of numbers.  $400?

  • Rick299

    Still can’t accept reality!  Just keep thinking it’s all the Democrats fault and watch them win the majority of the House in 2014.  Remember the POTUS caslled for a $250k threshold before the election and then he WON…get it.  Going to $400k is a compromise, morons..

    • gwt305

      @Rick299 No the moronic thing was to compromise period. The Democrats have not produced a BUDGET in 6 years! They owned the fiscal cliff until the morons of the GOP roll over and pee on themselves. This illegal POTUS is ruling by executive orders (royal decrees). We have another King George on our hands.

      • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

        @gwt305  @Rick299 TRUTH!

  • Joe lettieri

    You mean Democrats will not compromise.Does that mean you have to? Lily livered Republicans.They will never change!!!

  • gwt305

    It is looking like 1776 and 1861 all over again. I am thinking this demo-crap is gonna start a war sooner or later and this time the communist are gonna get crushed because I never knew a soilder who voted for or fought for socialism / communism.

  • Richard R Tryon

    Rick 299 and others need my apology. Yes sir!  Obama caved on taxing the rich; or at least those the $400K level but that gives little help to his friends with super rich money like one who complains that he isn’t taxed enough.  Of course, a lot of little small business owners spared higher taxes may even be able to consider hiring a new worker, if one can be found willing to work instead of taking a permanent vacation on entitlement money.
     
    Yes, we only need to come back in two months when things are worse, so we can raise taxes again and forget entitlement cuts or debt ceilings.  Soon we can devalue and get one new dollar for every 100 old ones! Then start all over on getting suckers to buy the bonds at 3% interest for long term investment.  That should complete the job.

  • pudbertsavannahga

    These Communists that call themselves democrats agenda is to RUIN our country and declare Marshall Law after they TOTALLY ruin our economy ! ! 
    That way they will make EVERYONE Government-Dependent like China and Russia,, which the young college idiots who voted this narcissist into office TWICE,,, ! are too clueless to understand that the gov’t OWNS you then !

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @pudbertsavannahga They got an education, but the education they got was the brainwashing the communists wanted them to get…and you are right…they are too stupid to know they have voted themselves a dictator who will enslave them when his plan is finished and those on the government teat have already been enslaved and they are too stupid to know it….. As long as their checks come every month, they are blind & ignorant….I wonder what they are going to do when those checks stop coming? They have no skills, they can’t survive on their own…they are like animals born in the zoo. They do not know how to take care of themselves…because the democrats have been taking care of them their whole lives. When the economy collapses…they will be the first to die of starvation. Heck, I bet none of them can even start a fire from scratch, much less kill an animal and skin it, prepare it for cooking and eating….and don’t forget…these are the idiots that want to take OUR GUNS from us!
      There is coming a day when these idiots are going to wish they HAD A GUN!
      All I can say to these poor stupid fools is….GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

  • GFMILLER7

    The Congress should immediately pass a bill allowing the Treasury to borrow money dedicated  to pay the interest only on  the sovereign debt.  Any additional borrowing capacity will be included in a budget bill —  this will preclude a default on the sovereign debt, and require a budget before any additional borrowing can be done.

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      I think all the money the government has had printed should be forgiven debt! WE DID NOT AUTHORIZE IT so therefore why are we being made to PAY IT BACK TO THE FED! That is a privately owned bank by those very BANKSTERS the liberals are saying the republicans are protecting…..seems to me…the democrats are protecting the FED/BANKSTERS to keep their money flowing…not the republicans! But you will not find a liberal democrat breathing that will admit the truth of that one!

    • Bisley

      There’s no need of any such bill.  A continuous stream of tax revenue is coming into the Treasury (something around 2 1/2 trillion a year) and depending on the interest rate, how much debt is held by the Fed (interest paid on bonds held by the Fed is rebated to the Treasury), etc., something around 15-25% of this will cover the interest on outstanding debt.  The alarmism over default has always been a lie and a fraud, the incoming tax money will service the debt and fund the rest of government at about half the level that Obama wants, which would be a good thing, provided the right half of the government was eliminated.

  • Ken1Lutheran

    The Congress voted its constituents’ wishes.  A huge majority of Americans has been persuaded by the mainstream media that the Republicans were being unreasonable.  Had we gone over the cliff, it would have been the Republicans in ths House that would have taken the blame for all the consequences–smaller paychecks, delayed refunds of taxes, delayed benefit checks, the impossibility of getting any kind of federal permit for anything, etc..  Obama would have come through smelling like a rose, because every major network would have talked about how reasonable he was and what fanatical right-wing kooks the Republicans are.  Truth doesn’t matter in politics. The public’s perception of the truth is everything.
     
    You want things to change? Ask the Koch brothers, etc., to stop funding this foundation and that foundation, and put their money into buying one of the Big Three networks.  Get Murdoch to put news programming–presented as straight news–on his broadcast network to compete with the broadcast networks.  Cable networks are niche audiences–they’re not the general public.  So Fox News reaches the conservative activists. Wonderful.  They have a network they can turn on that doesn’t have them gnashing their teeth.  But it’s preaching to the choir.  If two broadcast networks were giving Republicans at least a fair shake in the news, it wouldn’t be such a hopeless task.  All a Republican gets with standing on principle is a job back in the private sector–with some company that hasn’t been seduced with government contracts.

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @Ken1Lutheran CORRECTION….The republicans would have been blamed regardless of how this ended…..they have been blamed for all those 30 plus jobs bills the house passed in the past two years of which REID has REFUSED to allow on the floor of the senate for an up or down vote, but still the lame stream media blames the republicans for the DO NOTHING CONGRESS! NOT ONE LAME STREAM MEDIA OUTLET HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT REID’S FAILURE TO BRING ANY OF THOSE JOBS BILLS TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE NOR HAVE THEY SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT REID’S FAILURE TO PRODUCE, MUCH LESS PASS A BUDGET IN THE PAST 4 YEARS!

      • SandraLeeSmith

        @demlibsuk  Let us not forget the 27 budget bills the House also passed along with those 39 jobs bill, which are also languishing in Dingy Harry’s circular file!

  • Geneww1938

    I the republicans believed what they stood for,  they would also stand.  Our politician cave [sold their soul] because their greed, lust and desire for power, fame, wealth, and self interests exceeds their belief in righteousness. Satan does not have to budge, he just increases the anti for them to sell out.
    They would have won a great victory for our country If they spent more time in prayer and reading the Bible than trying to negotiate with Satan.

  • GFMILLER7

    I think everyone is saying the Republicans need a spokesman — (it is certainly not the Speaker)   We need someone that can articulate our message in 6th grade English, and use the first person..  call names even.

    • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

      Reminds me of the course in advertising  in college, which taught that advertising should be limited to the 8th grade level. Democrats know how to fight dirty, use class envy, the race card, lies, childish arguments, etc., etc. etc., Republicans need to start a new country, of grownups and not let the immature teach our children.

      • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

        @Begneli  Why have the republicans start a new country….let’s have the TEA PARTY start a new country! The republicans are RINO’s…the very few REAL conservatives just need to start a new party, THE TEA PARTY!!

        • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

          @demlibsuk Sign me up, I love the Tea Party. I vote Republican because I vote against Democrats.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @demlibsuk  That was who sent most of them to Congress in the first place!

      • SandraLeeSmith

        @Begneli Madison Avenue finally got up to 13 or did society just dumb down so far that 13 now is like 3 year old mentality used to be, because that used to be their “target” age for ads and commercials.

  • Jim Kremsreiter

    I am not pleased with the bill the senate sent to the house.  It is totally disgusting.  Democrats got their tax increase and gave nothing.  Idiots still haven’t figured out that Congress has a spending problem not a revenue problem!  Congress, in effect, gave Obama another “No Limit” credit card.  I hope everybody who voted for that bill is proud of themselves.  Disgusting!

    • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

      @Jim Kremsreiter So what’s new? They did the same thing to Reagan and have been doing it ever since. It is Lucy and the football on steroids. The Republicans are like the 3 stooges, we fall for it every time. I am about to just say let them have it, and let’s found a new country with a constitution that if a politician violates  it , he is executed.

      • Stan

        @Begneli  @Jim Kremsreiter  You know that idea is sounding better and better! Thanks…

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @Jim Kremsreiter Reid will always have a NO LIMIT credit card because he REFUSES TO PRODUCE A DAMN BUDGET! But the liberal voters are OKAY with his refusing to do his job…because most of the liberals are on the government TEAT! And as long as they continue to vote democrat…the democrats will destroy this country to keep them on the government teat!

      • Evermyrtle

        @demlibsuk  @Jim Kremsreiter Now, why would he do that, he is not interested in doing anything that will help America, he has joined the “destroy America” clan.

  • Bisley

    It’s not that Democrats won’t compromise, but that they know enough not to give up anything they don’t have to.  The Democrats are fighting a war, while the Republicans are playing “Let’s Make A Deal”.  Republicans, particularly those in the leadership, don’t have the drive to conquer their enemies, or the willingness to do what it takes to win.  Until there is a drastic change in leadership personnel and general attitude, they’ll be rolled every time.

  • Kenai

    Obama got everything he wanted and the republicans we voted for to keep spending down went right along with him in lockstep without even a whimper. Pathetic!

  • KarlP

    Good luck to Cantor and good riddance to Boehner. What a joke, he even got shot down by the dems for attempting to push Pelosi’s “plan B”. You think that after getting screwed over by them this many times he would get a clue. Obama and the rest of them must have a blast taking this fool for a walk anytime they want to!

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @KarlP You would think, but he is just not a leader, nor does he have a backbone. I wonder what the democrats have on him? Is he a closet gay and they have pictures or what? All I DO know is…He is a DISGRACE and should resign right now and never show his face again in the political arena!

      • Evermyrtle

        @demlibsuk  @KarlP Your are right The USA died Nov 6, 2012 after a long battle of neglect. She was too weary to even whimper.

  • mudguy

    Never in US history  has there ever been such a concentration in one place so many idiots.  That is Washington D.C

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @mudguy It is truly a SNAKE PIT of astronomical perportions…that is for sure!

    • Evermyrtle

      @mudguy Would it be fair or appropriate  to call it “Sin City??

  • http://wowway.com/ Randy Gaiser

    John Boehner hasn’t got enough willpower or backbone to do his job. He needs to step down NOW, and turn the party over to a CONSERVATIVE with the desire to win a battle with the Emporer.
    Every American gets mad as hell when they look back at Korea and Vietnam, as wars this country was to cowardly to fight to win, yet the same thing is going on right now with our REPUBLICAN members of Congress. They are too cowardly to put up a fight to save this country from a SOCIALISTIC DICTATOR, named Obama.
    Anybody that thinks Obama is NOT a Socialist Dictator, is a FOOL. This person is hell-bent to destroy this country out of some sort of demented beliefs from his childhood. He is the DEVIL and needs to be removed from office and imprisoned for treason.

    • http://aol.com/ demlibsuk

      @Randy Gaiser 
      They are not TOO cowardly…they are just RINO’s! They agree with the democrats…that is why they do what they do. They put on a show….act like they really are going to stop the madness…then they cave. We have so few REAL republicans in congress that we will NEVER see a fight for the Constitution win….EVER!

    • Evermyrtle

      @Randy Gaiser He has betrayed us as bad as has John Roberts.They both could have made a difference but have sold us out.

    • winner08

      @Randy Gaiser
       Something had to be done to avoid us all from being taxed at the end of the year and the Demonocrates knew that. I for one am tired of our Soldier’s going to all of these nasty Countries and getting hurt. If we go broke our Soldier’s go home, cause we will not be able to use them for the Politicla pawns they have become. We pay Iraq for our stay and they keep the Oil? Who is really making money on the Oil? Our Soldiers are going over to the Kitty litterbox more than our guys did in Viet-Nam and for what? We are less free that we have ever been! You got to wonder if our Soldier’s are serving the American Citizens or the Big Coorporations who have an investiment over there. You never hear of BlackWater Special Ops getting killed or Mammed, why is that? Maybe cause they will not be used for policial reasons, just for profit and they get paid very well.

      • winner08

        @Randy Gaiser
         We need to send our Soldiers of Fortune over there, instead of our Regular Soldiers who say,” I hear and I Obey”. We cannot be nice to those who are not going to respond to our Mercy. It is Kill or be Killed over there and that is the way to fight a War! They take out our Convoy we take out 5 square miles of the area. I would carpet Bomb all of the Mosque’s as an example of the disrespect they show us, if they want to call us Infidels, then lets act like Infidels.

        • http://wowway.com/ Randy Gaiser

          @winner08 I like the way you think. When they ask “what are the rules of war”, you answer, “there is only one rule, WIN”. Where in the hell do they think they can destroy everybody elses churches and synagogues, burn and destroy a christian bible or our flag, yet think you are not allowed to do the same to the Quoran or Mosque?I have news for that bunch of creeps, YOU ARE WRONG, I will retaliate times ten, if you fool with me. I believe in, Not getting even, but getting more than even.

      • SandraLeeSmith

        @winner08  None of the above is the reason why our troops are over seas.  This is a global agenda and the US has to be destroyed, obliterated from human memory, as part of that agenda.  So they are and will use all means possible to kill us off; killing our children in schools or citizens in theaters, our soldiers in “wars” and expect more and more attacks on our soil, especially if they try to disarm Americans.

    • Stan

      @Randy Gaiser And they have played the “Race Card” to perfection! (Democrats) And also the “Blame Game”. Like I said, once they get their million dollars, they figure if the going gets rough, they can just move or buy their way out. Won’t they be surprised when they find out it doesn’t work that way!

  • mrscas

    The Democrats only want it their way.  Okay suckers you got it……now there will be HE#L to pay.

  • mudguy

    Democrats may not be able to compromise but the Republicans can’t stick to promises or principals. They are no better than Obummer. He is no leader and when the GOP has the chance to lead they turn into cowards. The GOP was dying now they are dead.

    • mrscas

      @mudguy That is painfully true.  There better be someone with some conviction and integrity to fill the void.

      • Evermyrtle

        @mrscas  @mudguy Don’t look too hard, or you will be disappointed.

  • UrstrangeImnot

    D-Rats CANNOT “compromise” and RINOS ALWAYS “capitulate”, so their Congressional buddies(D) don’t have to “compromise”.

  • J Joy

    This deal proves to me that there are very few Democrats who really care about anybody’s tomorrow.  Today is as far as they can see or think.  I am angry with the Congress for how they abuse the Constitutional process.  I am angry with the Democrats for being arrogant liars who never intend to keep any promises they make.  I am angry with over half of the American voters for being ignorant and voting for Obama because Romney is a rich guy.  I am angry with over half of the American voters for being lazy and not getting off the couch to vote.  I am angry with over half of the American voters for being uninformed, not caring to become informed and/or being sheep who believe anything any Democrat tells them.  I am angry with over half of the American voters for being selfish and voting strictly because they wanted to keep their food stamps, welfare checks, unemployment checks, etc.  I am angry with over half of the American voters for being ignorant enough to not care or understand that these entitlements are NOT free – someone pays for their entitlements.  
     
    Washington is extremely dysfunctional on all fronts.  The Democrats lied, the Republicans believed them.  Democrats don’t want to talk about any debt reduction or spending cuts or reforms.  Democrats are an extremely selfish lot who doesn’t want to face reality.  But reality doesn’t care that they don’t want to face it – reality will happen anyway – the difference now is that these lying Democrats own everything from here on.  
     
    My biggest issue is why does Washington have to take everything down to the deadline – how long have they know about this deadline and how many days have they sat there doing nothing???  Everything doesn’t have to be a rushed, bumbling crisis that ends up with legislation that is too large and dysfunctional.  
     
    And now they want a pay raise!!!!

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @J Joy There are NO Dems and very few others at all in DC who actually care about the “future” of America as a nation; in fact mostly what they “care” about is obliterating this nation, it’s founding documents and all who know what those MEAN from MEMORY, not merely existence!  Ever hear the saying  “it’s better to rule in hell than serve in heaven”?  Keep it in the front of your mind when you’re looking at what goes on in the swamp.  Also remember that “all roads lead to Rome”, still a truism!

  • Mike Hampton

    US budget debts/ceilingsBrilliantly explained..
      This puts things into a much better perspective.
      Lesson # 1:
      * U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
     * Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
     * New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
     * National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
    * Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000
    Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:
     * Annual family income: $21,700
    * Money the family spent: $38,200
     * New debt on the credit card: $16,500
     * Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
    * Total budget cuts so far: $38.50
     Got It ?????
    OK now,
     Lesson # 2: Here’s another way to look at the Debt Ceiling: Let’s say, You come home from work and findThere has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood….And your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings. What do you think you should do …… Raise the ceilings, or remove the sh*t?
    Come on America, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

    • debdrs

      @Mike Hampton this is such an excellent analogy, I seek permission to send your comment to others, who presumably will send it to yet others.  The article is interesting and available to anyone who chooses to read it.  Your comment should be able to stand alone without the article.  
      DO I have your permission to send it to others with your name attached????????

      • Mike Hampton

        @debdrs
         I would love to take credit for it but I am not the author. Wish I knew who was, it is great!

  • DonBahn1

    The Fiscal Cliff is just smoke and mirrors, to hide what is really coming. better get a 55 gal drum of Vaseline.

    • quadman

      @Don, You hit the nail on the head. have said that same thing since he took office in 2008 and no b udget was proposed.

  • Ed Watson

    This is a MUST watch video.  Long ~1:30 min, but right on message.  Ed
     
    https://vimeo.com/52009124

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Ed Watson Let me know when your guy catches up to who the real enemy to this nation and all humanity is; because the Communists are nothing but a TOOL!  “All roads {still} lead to Rome”!

  • Evermyrtle

    We can know that the last thing the Democrats wants is to compromise. They had rather be dead wrong than to compromise with the GOP,  to have any dealings with the conservatives. There is some kind of paranoid fixture in their minds.  It would be so wonderful if every politician would forget their spite and decide to work for the bettering of the country and forget the drive to pull something over the other party. You may say the GOD is just as bad and you would be too close for comfort, but will give in  before the liberals. .

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Evermyrtle They’re ALL of one mind and one agenda; and it’s NOT America’s interests!  There’s no “fixture” against conservatives, paranoid or otherwise; and they are NEVER going to work for this nation’s good.  If you keep expecting that you’re only going to keep spinning your wheels.    The ONLY thing going to stop what is happening is direct Divine intervention now; and that may be a lot closer than MANY will appreciate.

  • Pakinpastor

    I am so sick and tired of these liars, theives, crooks, and whateer else you can think of. Both sides are just sickening! I have no more faith in these people that are supposed to be our leaders. They are not leaders, they are snakes. Playing sneaky games with eachother, stealing our money and bumping their own pay checks a bit, just cause they can. They act like they are above the rules they make for us, and have armed body guards to keep the little people away fromt hemselves. They are pathetic, loosers everyone of em. I would be so happy to see them all just gp away. They are doing nothing for the country. If John Kennedy were alive today, he would be appauled! The famous speech he agve, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” would be rejected as if he were some far out republican. Out of touch with reality. I think all of these idiots havelost touch with reality. Very very sad state of affairs.

    • Mike Hampton

      @Pakinpastor
       Maybe the problem is the majority of our country are enjoying more and more entitlements and JFK’s quote would better be summed up as: Ask not what you can do for your country, but ask what more  your country can do for you!!!!

      • Pakinpastor

        @Mike Hampton
         Very very sad….

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Pakinpastor Sir, if you truly are a pastor, might I suggest a “dose” of Revelation, with particular emphasis on chapter 13?  And some serious questions as to possible infiltration of your leadership by an enemy of a much more pervasive order?

  • gparra9

    The Rinos have become toilet Paper (A$$ Wipes) for the Democrats in Washington………. GAME OVER!!!!!!!

  • Poor

    Unless the Freebie ‘receivers’ are recognized and dealt with, the Democrats will bankrupt the Country and keep winning the elections. The country will be ruined but that is nothing to the Democrats – they just want to keep getting elected.

  • Poor

    I wonder what shenanigans democrats and the POTUS will pull getting the Debt ceiling raised. I hope the Republicans stand firm on their ground and not be intimidated by threats of closure of the Govt.

  • theUncleMike

    This has to be one of the most moronic blogs I’ve read all day. It truly belongs on Comedy Central. And as for the duo of Rubio/Rand in 2016, best gift the Repub’s could give the Dem’s.

    • Mike Hampton

      @theUncleMike
       Please enlighten.

      • debdrs

        @Mike Hampton  @theUncleMike I seek permission to send your fiscal cliff analogy to others as a stand alone item not attached to this article.  Please give permission

      • debdrs

        @Mike Hampton  @theUncleMike The one you wrote one hour and eight minutes ago from now.

    • Gregory61

      @theUncleMike
       I see you went to public school.

    • mrscas

      @theUncleMike And who is Rand?  Do you mean Paul?

  • USPatriotOne

    This is how they cramed ObamaCare through in the middle of the night…bastar*ers…!!!  This is how the Democrat/Liberal/Communist work NOW!  Go listen to Dr. Michale Williams web radio show “The Patriot Report” on “webtalkradio dot net” to get the real story on what is happening to our Nation!  We also need to support this show so we can continue to get the real truth the lame stream media won’t tell us!  Dr. Williams told me that the show is going off the air unless the large listening audiance starts to donate and support the show.  Please donate at “thepatriotreport dot org.”  We need this people, PLEASE DONATE TODAY, and may God bless.

  • ilpatriot58

    Boehner needs to be replaced & I hope we see that tomorrow.  I have given him as many chances as I can stomach.  I think we all need to concentrate our efforts on encouraging those House & Senate members who voted no on this garbage bill last nite & start looking for replacements for the rest that are up in 14.

  • Gregory61

    The GOP, the party of tax cuts, is afraid of being called tax increasers. Houdini could have pulled off that illusion, but the MSM can.

  • Phil185

    Just as Obama touts his one trilion in cuts over the next ten years.   OK… so he supposedly cut one hundred billion per year in a 1.3 trillion budget defice.  In other words, he removed a half pint of beer from a 15 gallon keg….BUT….he added 125 billion in new spending last year alone…so much for balance and or cutting spending and or decreasing the deficet.

  • debdrs

    Mike Hampton, Uncle Mike, are you here?

  • debdrs

    @theUncleMike Mike Hampton, this needs to go viral
    Mike Hampton 7 pts
    US budget debts/ceilingsBrilliantly explained..
      This puts things into a much better perspective.
      Lesson # 1:
      * U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
     * Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
     * New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
     * National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
    * Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000
    Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:
     * Annual family income: $21,700
    * Money the family spent: $38,200
     * New debt on the credit card: $16,500
     * Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
    * Total budget cuts so far: $38.50
     Got It ?????
    OK now,
     Lesson # 2: Here’s another way to look at the Debt Ceiling: Let’s say, You come home from work and findThere has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood….And your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings. What do you think you should do …… Raise the ceilings, or remove the sh*t?
    Come on America, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

    • Cleekk

      @debdrs  @theUncleMike That’s awesome.  I read it twice.

  • debdrs

    OK Gang, Mike did not write it.  
     
    WHO KNOWS WHO DID
     
    I am sending it as unknown author

  • ErikOsbun

    Until the rest of the Republican Party becomes more conservative like New Gingrich, for example, they appear to be untrustworthy.

  • SpenceDowns

    There is a reality that we need to take very seriously!  This nation is governed by a group of elected people who have clearly demonstrated that they have no idea what they are doing!  Their motivation obviously is not what is best for the nation, but what can they personally gain out of their positions as United States Senators or Representatives.  Sound harsh?  Sound like sour grapes?  The judgment is not based upon what these people say for public consumption by their constituents, but rather on what they do, have done . . . or not done!  This nation is financially broke!  This problem has loomed for years, yet there is little or no evidence of the corporate exercise of fiscal responsibility by the leadership to solve the problem after years of financial irresponsibility!  The President is the greatest offender!  His party openly abets his deficit foolishness.  As a result, those in power are now becoming desperate.  Historically, desperate national leaders both in this nation and others have resorted to  desperate measures.  Rather than change their behavior, they seek ways to continue their profligate spending practices. Usually, these desperate measures have brought severe hardships on the people.  Desperate leaders have actually, under the guise of national emergency, imposed unrealistic tax burdens, stolen monetary assets from the citizens’ bank accounts, safe deposit boxes, retirement accounts, and confiscated property.  So, what did we do?  We re-elected the greatest offender of all. And we have allowed our financial woes to keep us from the more important problem that we have a President who is Constitutionally ineligible to hold office!  If he were removed through impeachment, part of the financial problem would be solved by that action alone!  Of course, a Democrat Senate that is led by a Senator who hasn’t submitted a budget for over three years, and who is felt to be  himself corrupt by many, would undoubtedly refuse to try the President.  And so it goes!

    • mrscas

      @SpenceDowns You are right on Spence.  We are in a real mess.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @SpenceDowns You’re nibbling at the TIP of the iceberg, sir; this is MUCH larger than just about the US and it’s FAR more sinister than our politicians’ lack of appropriate actions as well.  This is ALL a very carefully orchestrated plan that has been going on steadily since 1540, with a brief hiatus between May of 1776 and some time in 1814, during which time the ONLY thing they DIDN’T plan took place, which has thrown a bit of a sabot into their works, but NOT stopped them by any means.  This is a GLOBAL effort, and it’s now coming to its culmination!  You’re still focusing on a symptom instead of the entire disease.

  • CaptTurbo

    This has been another epic fail by both sides with certainly most of the blame to be awarded to the Communists (democrat party).

    • Plancksize

      @CaptTurbo Sounds like your mind works like mine. Every time I read the printed word “democrat”, my mind AUTOMATICALLY says “Communist” within my skull.

    • theUncleMike

      @CaptTurbo you wouldn’t know a communist if it bit u on the butt

      • Whackajig

        @theUncleMike  @CaptTurbo
         We all recognize you by your politics, it is not necessary for you to exibit your homosexual proclivity to show us.

  • Brabado

    Make no excuses…
    Obama’s Demokrats are doing an outstanding job in making Speaker Joehn Boehner look like a fool and a RINO!
    He must resign, ASAP, and leave the the Speaker Position to someone with “balls” to figth for our Country…
    Guess it must be very hard for him to let go…
    Pitiful,  he refuses to man-up and and Save what is left of our Country…
     
    GOD WILL ALWAYS LOOK OVER GOOD MEN DEEDS…

    • Stan

      @Brabado  He wont even man-up and save whats left of the Republican Party! Obama leads him around with the ring through his nose. Very sad indeed!

      • theUncleMike

        @Stan @Brabado what’s really sad is what the Republican Party has become. It’s not the party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, or even Reagan…. But a party that has been hijacked by terrorists, many that are here..

        • Phil185

          @theUncleMike  @Stan  @Brabado
           And it sure in the hell isn’t the Party that Jefferson started.  I believe it was Madison who was against Parties in general for fear that they would vote for “the party” and not what was good for the country.  It seems his worst fears have come true.  As our current two party system is doing just that, ideologically voting for the party instead of what’s good for the country and or the people in general.

        • Whackajig

          @Phil185  @theUncleMike  @Stan  @Brabado
           People in general = the majority
           
          A small majority voted for the food stamp party, not what is good for the nation.

        • Evermyrtle

          @theUncleMike  @Stan  @Brabado The GOP has been run over by a steamroller called Islam and it’s Master. the acting president of the USA

  • Stan

    Well evidently we have some DUMB voters out there to elect these braindead zombies in the first place. Where do they think this money is going to come from to even balance the debt ratio? Taxes will not do it alone. And pretty soon they are going to have to have another tax hike just to pay for the Obamas vacations! And hey, I paid for my cell phone and plan, let the rest do the same.

  • sickandtiredofscum

    When the Republican’s are “in power” they act like they’re not. When they’re not “in power” they act like they’re not. When are we going to get some real leadership in this party?

    • Stan

      @sickandtiredofscum When you find that out, PLEASE let me know! No challenge on the election, won’t listen to the people, etc. They go now to get elected to become millionaires, and once that happens they couldn’t care less!

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @sickandtiredofscum The power is in the “party”, and the “Repubs” aren’t in power; but neither are the Dems; they just LOOK like they are because they’re MADE to appear so by the ones pulling ALL the strings!  It’s ONE party, ONE agenda, and all the fiscal and political power are concentrated in the hands of ONE person, who does NOT live in the US, and who has ONE goal, so far as the US is concerned: to obliterate it from even MEMORY!  it’s anathema to HIS master!

    • Whackajig

      @sickandtiredofscum
       If you are tired of scum, why then do you depict an image of a man whose main desire was to have sex with white prostitutes?  He talked the talk, but slept differently.

  • TessComments

    Watch your paycheck get smaller right before your eyes.
    Obama is looking out for no one but himself.
    2013 – SS withholding tax goes UP for everyone that gets a paycheck.

    • theUncleMike

      @TessComments it only goes up because of the TEMPORARY tax cut on SS. The main reason we are in so much debt is due to the horrendous Bush tax cuts and the worst recession sine the depression, which has cost us revenue

      • SandraLeeSmith

        @theUncleMike  The reason we have the massive debt is because we’ve had congress’ that have been SPENDING out of control and not accountable for it to anyone but their masters who are NOT in this nation, and who have a goal of destroying this nation.  It’s NOT about “parties”; there IS only ONE, pretending to be 2.  And it’s not about “temporary” tax cuts or permanent ones, or even their expiration; it’s about OUT OF CONTOL SPENDING of money that we DON’T have in places it DOESN’T belong to be spent in the first place!

        • Phil185

          @SandraLeeSmith  @theUncleMike
           No Sandra, the only reason we have a massive debt is because those in power want it that way.  It’s about the fundamental transformation of this country.  What does every country as well as the U.N. try to tell the world?  Its always Americas fault.  Soros himself has stated that it’s America that stands in the way of “the New World Order”.  And he, as well as the U.N are right, because freedom as well as America must fall  for his/their “New World Order” to take hold.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Phil185  Did you happen to read beyond the first few words?    To the part about the masters who are NOT in this nation?   I’m well aware of the SOURCE cause of that out of control spending.  And the agenda behind it, as well as who’s DRIVING that agenda and it’s not Soros either; he’s just a tool as well.  It’s a LOT bigger and uglier. and far more insidious than Soros!  And the NWO is phase one of the full agenda; which they intend to have completed in 2018.  Keep in mind, “all roads lead to Rome” and look to the one running the show.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Phil185  @SandraLeeSmith  @theUncleMike You got that right!!!

      • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

        @theUncleMike  @TessComments Uncle Mike, the last part of your comment shows the danger of liberalism. If citizens are allowed to keep their own money , it is a “cost” to the collective. In freedom, a person’s property belongs to him, and rights of ownership  of families is protected from government, and it is not a “cost”. But if your mind heralds from collective redistribution philosophy, then everything belongs to the collective and whatever an individual keeps claim , is a “cost” to the collective.
        USSR, Cuba, China, are examples that freedom is much better. Read Governor Bradfords’ account of the Jamestown switch from collectivism to free enterprise: “they had very good success, for it made all hands industrious–“

      • Whackajig

        @theUncleMike  @TessComments
         I am sure you are refering to the recession brought on by the 2006 democratic congress and which officially ended 9 months into ovomit’s reign of terror.  ovomit and his policies had zero to do with the end of the recession.  This recession has been the weakest and slowest in recorded history and ovomit can take credit for that.

  • Free444

    This was proof that Republicans don’t have the guts it takes to stand up to obama and his criminal cronies!  Dems “win” because they never shut up but scream and rant and call names like spoiled children!

    • Whackajig

      @Free444
       Yeah, that and the fact that the GOP collectively has no balls at all.

  • winner08

    Look at Senator John McCain! He has Six Mansions, starting at One Million dollars and going up. He is the one that stated, “We should stay in Iraq for a Hundred years”. Everyone makes him out as such a Hero, cause he was a POW. Oh Please! He got beat up, but that is nothing to what happened to some of the other Soldiers over there, an example. The Viet cong would put a cage over our guys head and in the cage would be a rat the size of a small dog, it would eat the guys face off. If you look at a picture of John McCain,as a POW back then, you will see he has on some clean Pajama’s, is on  a nice comfortable Cott to himself with a roof . Fighter Pilots are usually traded, once they get all the information out of them., but a grunt is another story. Look at some of the Stuff that was dropped on our Guys over there in Viet-Nam, anyone remember {Agent Orange} ? Most of our Jet Fighters are a thousand feet over the conflict, with the dense jungle in Viet-nam it was anyones guess who got Napalm. Napalm was nothing but a type of Gasoline that explodes and burns the people down on the ground. They call that Missing in Action. How many of our other Soldier’s have we heard of, that came back from the Viet-nam Era alive, as a POW ? Very few that I have ever heard of.

    • Whackajig

      @winner08
       Like most liberals you are a lying sack of chit.  John McCain does not own any homes at all.  His wife Cindy who controls money willed to her, controls the trusts which own at least 8 properties and these properties are in her name and the name of her trusts.

  • Tired_of_this

    THEY DON’T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • midas2800

    Why dont ALL OF THESE JERCKS JUST JUMP OFF OF THIS DAMN CLIFF…THIS IS LIKE A DAMN KIDDIE GANE!!!!!!!!

  • http://ibaconi.wordpress.com ibaconi

    Wouldn’t matter. The “fiscal cliff deal” is a scam and Republicrats, just like the Demonrats are part of the scam which is working to relinquish personal freedom/responsibility. We are all in “big brother’s” pocket and most of us (apparently) are quite content.. so far…
     
    Others of us realize that revolution is once again necessary…

  • Tommy Moore

    If you would like to know the real Obama, read the book by Edward Klein “The Amateur” This was on the New York Times best sell list for months. It gives you how the mind of Obama works! Try It!!!

  • AntonioSosa

    No negotiation is possible with dictator Obama, a U.S. hating Marxist bent on helping our enemies and on destroying our country.

  • JMcCarthy

    Democrats are Communists/Marxists, you cannot negotiate with them, bargain with them, accommodate them, reason with them or debate them.  If you think you can…you will lose, that is, Facts mean nothing to them.  You give them everything they want or you fight them, just like the Cold War with the Soviet Communists, which NEVER really ended for the Communists.   They, Marxist democrats, have declared War on Capitalism, War on tens of Millions of Patriotic American Citizens, War on Traditional, Free, Constitutional America.  Everybody here knows it, I know it and the Republicans know it.  The ONLY big surprise would be if the Republicans grew a PAIR, they will be blamed no matter what anyway, that is, if they aren’t just playing ‘good cop, bad cop’.

    • Diplobear

      @JMcCarthy
       You are absolutely on target.  PRAVDA calls Obama a Communist “elected by the uneducated”
      odd how PRAVDA is the only propaganda organ that calls the spade a Communist.
      They know something our press does not, or is the Main Stream part of the uneductaed mass PRAVDA says elected Comrad Obama.??

  • Maty Pominville

    And there you have it. Dumb and Dumber! Where do these people come from…where is their
    reasoning power? Why in the world if any, do they want a place in our government if they are
    so inept.

    • Whackajig

      @Maty Pominville
       Why the inept serve?  Decent competent people refuse to run for office, they are not stupid or crooked enough.

  • http://www.livefyre.com/ honorary

    “Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in the worst state, an intolerable one.”  Thomas Paine
     
    When you put the clowns in charge don’t be surprised when a circus breaks out.

  • Sailboat165

    America is on a fastrack to socialism. Thx for the memories, you were special once.

  • 82 Airborne

    Are you high? No really, did you just right this in a “Now leagal pot state?”
     
    First it reeks of pure partisan hackery.
     
    Second you may have touched few points yet the bottom line is exactly that a bottom line. When it is signed by the president it becomes their responsibility. In fact, the Reagan budgets that were proposed by his administration were whittled down by these same Democrats that you vilify with your one sidedness.
     
    Fact. The Bush tax cuts increased the US National debt by 1.6 TRILLION dollars. 
    Fact, the GOP congress 2001-2007 (Jan-Jan) increased spending therefore increased borrowing. When you had  GOP president with an all GOP congress you got twice the debt and little to show for it.
    The tax cuts didn’t create jobs but that is another post.
     
    YOUR Republicans, by indication of you pasrtisan hackery, have voted on this and that’s it. They voted. What? Don’t like the result?
     
    Remember TARP and the stimulus Bush signed into law at the end of 2008? What did the Republicans complain about then. The bill was poorly written and the Dems screwed us. YET, Bush signed it.
     
    The double standard with most right wiongers is ridiculous. 
     
    I didn’t vote for Romney or Obama. These two parties are a joke. The Republicans scream that the Dems are “Tax and Spend Liberals” when they still favor corporations over the working class and the Republicans can’t accept that they are borrow and spend conservatives.
     
    Enjoy your empty fight over the next two years. Maybe this next House of Representatives can break their OWN record LOW 122 bills passed into law. An all time historic low. They make the “Do Nothing COngress” as labeled by Truman in the late 1940’s look like a mountain of efficiency with their 900 bills passed into law.
     
    Face it. The Republicans use the government tet to get wealth and then walk away from the debt. The debt ceiling is to pay for what has ALREADY been done.
     
    Boehner, Cantor, Kyl and McConnel, all top Republicans voted to raise Bush 43’s debt ceiling 5 FIVE times without any restrictions. Kyl was the only one that didn’t. He voted against the very first ceiling being raised and then he voted 4 times to raise it. No spending restrictions under the full Republican House and Senate with a GOP president. No restriction, increased spending AND lesser tax receipts to the government allthewhile jobs left the country.
     
    Suck on that for awhile. Facts are something you can’t spin. However, you can go back to ignoring them.

    • SandraLeeSmith

      While there is only ONE party pretending it’s 2, and BOTH faces of it are guilty of the mess we’re in. you statement that it’s the HOUSE that’s responsible for only passing 122 bills is NOT accurate.  For example there are 27 budget bills and 39 jobs bills that were PASSED by the HOUSE and never even HEARD in the Senate let alone voted on!  So don’t even go there, sir.  Dingy Harry is every bit as much the problem as is the entire DEM controlled Congress that saddled us with Obamacare!  NONE are so lily-white and innocent!  If you think for an INSTANT your heroes are going to save America, you’ve another think coming; because that’s NOT in their agenda at all!

    • Cleekk

      I have to say that it is encouraging to finally see some people realizing the problem is with both parties.  Japan’s economy stagnated when they couldn’t get their politicians to move away from tax and spend policies.  We’re locked in the same warp, and yet our idiot politicians cannot successfully pass any spending reductions.  When a true conservative party emerges that pledges and enacts spending cuts, we might see a way out of this morass.  But as long as the majority of the sheeple buy into this BS that we can’t live without all of these government services, we’re facing a gloomy future.

  • Richard Vandervort

    Out self proclaimed Sanctimonious and Pompous Ass Obama leading the pack of whacked out liberals in Washington and claiming to be a Constitutional Scholar should read the Constitution plus the law books some more.
    Our Republican leaders should have known this and if they did then they too are as guilty as the liberal left Democrats.
    The President, Senate nor the Congress has the ability under the law or the Constitution to enact any discriminatory policy such as what they just did with this so called fiscal cliff bailout.
    What has taken place is yet another Un-Constitutional act of discrimination by Obama and his cronies in the attempt to gain more illegal funding’s to fleecing the American public as they undermine and destroy our Monterey System to bring our country down.
    Obama has committed one impeachable act after another yet no one challenges him for fear of racial reprisal but some from the colored race also realize and find his actions offensive as well as illegal too.
    Liberals are willing to buy into Obama’s illegal policies because they act like leaches on the hard working Americans pockets. Understanding the liberals train of thought really isn’t that hard because they possess no shame or pride in working for their bounty when it’s easier to steal it.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    TO WHOME THIS MAY CONCERN, OBAMA IS NOT MAKING DEALS, ”HE IS OUR DICTATOR”, THEIR IS NO COMPERMISE. BAHNER IS DOING WHAT HE IS BEING ALOWED TO DO,   ”WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO AREST OBAM, ONE MINUTE AFTER OBAMA TAKES THE OATH OF PRESIDENT, HE NEEDS TO BE ARESTED FOR FRAUD, AND LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE” AND THEN THROWN INTO PRISON AND THEN IMPEACHED, thank you, LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN You hit the nail squarely on the head, if they do nothing about his atrocities  we can just hang it up, we are finished.

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    Were domed,OUR country is dieing a slow Death and we got ring side seats

  • Chuck S

    It is time to clean house and remove all of them out of the goverment offices and elect people who will work for the people and not for themselves, yes and they should pay taxes, social security, have medical insurance and pay a co-pay like normal people do and do not retire with full benefits, we all need to remember that they should answer to all of us, instead of us answering to them, they need to realize we all work hard and to see them tell us that they are dictating to us that we need to raise taxes, no that is not the answer to all their problems. First they should pay their fair share like normal people do, no breaks or cuts because they need to hide some properties, investments and others that they find loop holes in. maybe it would be nice for them to remember who help them get where they are and help their neighbors here in USA and take care of us for a change and bring back the jobs and stop having them shipped overseas because the companies can’t afford to pay their workers because taxes, insurance has gotten out of control. We need to take a stand and say enough of this bull and say it time for we the people who have lived it in hard times and good, but that has been awhile for a lot of people. The President preaches that ever child should graduate and go to college, but he does not get it that some would like to but can’t afford it or do not get help to do it. He makes it easy because he has no problems, but an middle class or lower class family are struggling to get by. Enough said it is time to clean house and like I said we need people in office that answer to the people and do not make or hide decisions with out the people (us) knowing what they are hiding. Remember that all of them in office got raises this year of more than what a normal person gets, we get 2-4 % and some of them get 10% raise or more? I believe something is wrong with this picture, if Goverment is hurting, why are they getting raises.I had to vent, but hopefully some people will see the big picture here and agree or maybe not?
    Chuck S.

    • LTCB

      Until it is no longer “ok” to be a liberal/communist/socialist/progressive, we’re going to have problems.  The press is the problem this time.  They’ve been “for” the nation for generations.  Now, their chains are off and we know what their real heart is like.  They like their freedoms but, don’t want us to have ours.  They do not understand that, when our freedom is gone and our right to bear arms is gone, their right to “publish the truth” (not that they do that now) will be gone too.  They are the useful idiots of this new Stalin.  We’ve got Lenin and Trotsky too up there.  Study the Russian fall to hell (communism/socialism).  I would prefer to be in Communist China than to be in what is coming on this nation.  There’s more freedom.

      • Rick299

        @LTCB
         Time to take your medications!

        • LTCB

          @Rick299 I prefer not to diminish life by medication; at least any more than absolutely necessary.  That’s why I get dental work and no novacaine.  Pain proves you’re still here.  As for meds, why would I want to corrupt my mind?  Fact is, the left are the ones that want to obliterate their minds with drugs.  Conservatives did not fight for pot smoking laws to be dropped.  That would be your crowd.

    • ArthurMackey

      Take and cut all congressional pay across the board to $130,000.00 and President to $250,000.00, V.P  $175,000.00, they are allowed only regular Government employee insurance and government retirement depending upon how many years they work with a maximum of ten in government elected positions and the rest in civil service !  The gravy train has come to a screeching halt.  All laws are to be crafted in accordance with the Constitution and Bill of Rights, no Executive Privilage as to orders of any type except for all out Deeclared war as done by the congress of this Country !  Time to back the Fu** up a few miles !

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    Sounds Good how do we do it? How do we stop the mother of 3 that has a Bridge card,a part time job and shackin with her boyfriend working at one of the auto companys making 60 PLUS GRAND a year ? POLITICANS are mostly the same.Which One do you TRUST? HOW do we stop the 47% ???????

  • Chuck S

    Chuck S.
    Sometimes like you said sounds good and how do we start, when you elect a person they take an oath in office and I believe they forget or do not care about what they said they were going to do and figure they made it and oh well, but I have found that myself I go with the gut instinct and I would listen and can tell who is talking out their ass, because most of them do. It will take time and people who know the person running need to speak up. It is hard to tell sometimes because some people like to use others for a stepping stones, need to listen to them closely to everything they say, because if it sounds to good means they have rehearsed it too good and if they keep repeating it over and over. What they do not understand is that you have more people working here in USA, more taxes will be paid and that way the people who are working do not need to raise our taxes, but the real problem is that the upper class has found a way to not pay their fair share of taxes, because they have been getting away with it for so long that they feel they are better than the rest of us and that is totally wrong, need to pay the same amounts of taxes as everyone else does according to the tax bracket they are in. We the people have the goverment managing our social security when they do not participate in it, no social security taken out of their checks. Why are we paying for Goverment miss manage funds for what ever they want to do with them. If I miss manage funds or hid them from my employer, they would not hesitate to put me in jail. Maybe time to impeach them all, like I said start new. We need someone in office that will tell us the truth and not hide it. Someone who would say this is what we need to do and do it, not let someone else dictate so they can benefit from it. Remember we need someone who will work for the people and not against the people and make us a better nation, like we once was and it seems that we are going the other way. Like the old saying when I was growing up is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because some people think they are better because they had a golden spoon in their mouths and forget anyone else. Just remember like I do treat everyone the way you like to be treated and this would be a better place. I think a lot of people have forgotten about that? We all need to remember that things work better when people work together to improve things and not destroy them.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LTCB,,, YES, Our ”news media” has been BAUGHT OUT, by OUR government, this is SOCIALISM, we are now living in a DICTATORSHIP.  so it is time to ”LOCK AND LOAD”. we will not go down without a FIGHT, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    ArthurMacke, I beleive what you say is true, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • Buck007

    rebs are stupid. Just a few real Americans

  • Free444

    The only way to get people in office who actually want to represent their constituents would be to cut their salaries down to MIDDLE INCOME level!  Have the money for their campaigns raised only by the local people who want them in office. Allow them to only have the same insurance options regular people get, no freebies in DC,  term limits to about 8-10 years max. and no pensions for life.  That way, money would not be as likely to corrupt them and they would serve only for the PRIVILEGE  to serve their people.  AND if any of them were suspected of accepting a bribe or breaking the law in any manner, they would be suspended until an independent investigation was completed.  If they’re guilty, they pay the same penalty as “common” people and their position in Congress is open to another election by the people of that district.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Free444 You are right and I would love to see them live on our salaries for a while. We pay them big time to betray us to the enemy..

      • Free444

        @Evermyrtle I just wish MY salary was somewhere near as much as “middle income”.  And, I still have to pay extra in taxes every year even though I claim no one throughout the year.  Just not right!  30 years in the same career at the same place but no where to go.  They have NO idea what it’s like to live like that!  IF they ever did, they’ve forgotten what it was like. – Dollar store ‘gifts’ for birthdays, wrapped in recycled gift wrap, 12 year old cars held together by duct tape,  quit even buying hamburger meat cause it’s too expensive. I’m just glad I bought my house long enough ago that the payments aren’t too high.  They have NO idea.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    CHUCK S,  OBAMA talks a lot of bull, but do you realize that he went to COLEDGE here in the U.S.A. on a foreign student GRANT, so what about that,  ?   thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Big question, who paid for his education????

      • Charie66

        Evermyrtle, I believe he went to college on a minority grant(s).

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Charie66 He went of Fulbright scholarships which are for FOREIGN NATIONALS coming here for education!

  • Floyd

    The thought process and logic of most democrats is that of mental illness. Most are difficult to reason with, don’t make sense, don’t have workable solutions, and most of all would rather change the subject when they know they’re losing the conversation.

  • winner08

    Everyone is all upset about John Bohener passing what he did, but if he refused to do anything then Obama would say it is all the Lame Duck Congress. It seems that the Senate had draged their feet until something had to happen in order for us to not have our Taxes be forth comming. I hate that the Senate got their way by putting off the spending cuts for two Months. Obama can spend alot of money in those Two months, as soon as he comes off his 5 Million dollar tax paying vacation.

  • winner08

    Well if you think you will ever hear a Politician tell the Truth in your life time, I would’nt hold my breath. Mitt Romney told the Truth on several occassions and got burnt for it, Example.. More than 47% do not work and do not pay Taxes, England’s Olympic’s was not secure, which it was’nt,

  • winner08

    Well Chuck you need to worry when you find out there are no more Rich people left. What will you have to hope for. Obama is putting everyones head on the Silver platter. If everyone paid everything they had, it still would not pay off this deficit. We have had crooked Politicians since George Washington. That is how our Country was founded on. Greed and the aspiration to get what you can. There are only so many oppertunities to fill and it is a fact that it is the person in the right place at the right time to be able to have it. It is by self-determination that you succeed, not by your Education.

    • Charie66

      @winner08 What?  There are only so many opportunities to fill????  There are opportunities all over the place and if you can’t find them then you create your own opportunities.  I suppose you’re one of those people who think that every person who made it to the top with their own business, company,etc. took something away from “the poor” to do it. This country does not operate on the zero-sum standard even though Liberal Dems seem to think so.  (one of the reasons I remain a Republican)   I guess you can’t fix stupid, but to say our Founders started this country because of greed is outrageous and untrue, unless you figure the unwillingness to have a government take money from you in taxes when you have no say in what that government does is a good thing.  BTW that is not the only reason – read some of our American history written at least 60 years ago.
       
      You start out Conservative with your post and end up at the bottom of  a Liberal’s pocket only to swerve into another discussion at the end
       
      Scratching my head over that one.

  • winner08

    I belive that if Susan Rice wants to put out that these Ragheads stormed our Consulate cause of a Video on U-tube, than fine. We should of stormed the Embassy of Mexico for holding our Marine, Storm the Embassy of Iran for the comments by that nutcase, storm the Embassy of Saudi Aribia for his comment on the 911 event, saying” It was all a hoax and keep his Ten Million,.. It would end up that we would be storming and killing all of the Ambassador’s for their treatment of us. We should go to the United Nations and burn all their Flaggs, since none of them thought it was wrong to see our Flagg burnt.

    • Free444

      @winner08 I agree with most of what you posted.  FYI, our Marine was released and Mexico apologized for it.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    FREE444, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD,WE NEED MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT THINK just like you do, THESE PEOPLE IN OUR GOVERNMENT, are continiousely  being offered BRIBES, and yes , they would like the job and turn down the bribes, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Yes, bribes pay off , big time.

  • zagozana

    @LTCB Hey paranoids boy! How in the world can 300,000,000 guns be taken away and, by the way, who, other then your instigates, says that they are going to do it.
    Listen to other thinkers about the world around you and not just those who are only  a short distance away from the funny-farm…
    President  Obama knows that you have the right to bare arm, or bear arms, what ever…

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @zagozana @LTCB / Whatever…and therein lies the problem!

  • SandraLeeSmith

    @Charie66: They didn’t “get corrupted” after they got to the swamp; they didn’t GET there without being CFR members or strong supporters thereof; they couldn’t even get ONTO the ballots otherwise.  The OBJECT is to maintain the ILLUSION of a 2 party “Republican” government, to keep us from rebelling openly when they weren’t prepared for such rebellion.  They are now; and PLANNING to instigate it.  That was what Sandy Hook was all about.  CFR is only mid level; they have bosses above them, who are calling their shots too.  And it’s not “whom I think”: follow the MONEY; ” all roads” DO “lead to Rome”.

  • zagozana

    @LTCB  @Rick299
    It cost $36,000 a year  to put a person in prison
    It costs $24,000 a year to go to Harvard.
    We have more prisoners in jail then any other  country!
    Pot is not the problem.
    If it was legal it would be heavily taxed and the money would not go to the criminals that you hate so much…

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    SIR WILLIAM  ”WE ARE NOT DEAD” I REFUSE TO DIE”, we have just begun to fight, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN AMEN and amen!!!

  • Charie66

    You know, what we’re missing here is the fact that the MSM not only reports false news about Conservatives, Tea Partiers and Republicans, they simply refuse to report good news about Republicans or bad news about Democrats.  I’ve talked to my representative about this and he says it’s impossible to get news out via the news media.  My senator is so frustrated (a Tea Party candidate, BTW) that he’d like to tear his hair out, and he says the same thing.  They cannot get out the news because what they say is chopped up or edited to make it sound as though they said something they didn’t say.  We all know that so why do we simply keep bashing our representatives who are, mostly, working their butts off for us.
     
    I liked the idea above that says they wished the Koch brothers would buy a  broadcast network and pass off a Conservative agenda as actual news (like the MSM does).  Or words to that effect.

  • Charie66

    @J Joy The Republicans didn’t want a pay raise.  That was Obama’s doing.  The bill to raise their pay was defeated in the house by Republicans!  Apparently Obama has talked himself into believing that Republicans are the money grifters.  He conveniently forgets it is the Democrats who want to spend, spend, spend and raise taxes higher and higher and higher by whatever means he so deems!

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    Sounds like Boedner might be stepping up to the plate.And do his Congressional Duty(JOB).No more closed door meetings with the european socialist.

  • Kissitgoodbye

    @SandraLeeSmith /. We have no heroes on either side who are both on the same side… Their own.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, good morning HONEY, it is good to converse with you again, NOW about OBAMA’S education, WE, the tax payers, paid for OBAMA’S FOREIGN STUDENT GRANT, for him to go toHARVARD, how do you like them APPLES, he OBAMA our FRAUD president, NOW IF HE IS OUR PRESIDENT?  . how and why , did the tax payer , PAY for his foreign student GRANT,  SOMETHING IS NOT SMELLING RIGHT?  thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN  Oh hello Larry, I missed you earlier but left you a post. The most special place I have been today was in my doctor’s office. You will know how special it was when you hear how long I had to wait to see her. Three hours, and that will tell you just how terrific the visit was. She said she was afraid I would live to be 100. Oh well, if I gotta, I gotta!!
       
      Well I know where the smell is coming from. It is time to get rid of it or maybe past time to get rid of it, shove the stink out of the door,  the way it is trying to shove GOD and HIS SON out of the country’s business. Anyway, that is the way I vote.

  • midas2800

    Thank you for the reply Larry!…..I just do not have any more trust in the heads of the country that I love so much.They act like children that dont know what to do…..Not like when I was growing up I am 58 now and the US is just a BIG MESS….Our leader B.O. IS THE WORST THST I HAVE EVER SEEN (JUST A BIG A** WHO DONT CARE AT ALL.Now with more and more taxes and giving our to any damn country that just holds there hand out..B.S.THEY DONT CARE OR GIVE A DAMN ABOUT US!….Just B.S. and lies NOW about this trying to push to ban fire arms…..(OUR RIGHTS) B.O. IS PUSHING IT TO FAR Bad things are goying to happen REALY BAD THINGS,,,,THEN LET IT HAPPEN WE MUST KEEP OUR RIGHTS NO MATTER WHAT WE HAVE TO ALL STAY TOGETHER AND EVERYONE GROW A PAIR!………..HAPPY NEW YEAR and may GOD BLESS YOU!

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    midas2800, WE have to stay POSATIVE,  do not put your TRUST in man   but , please PUT YOUR TRUST IN GOD, he is our only trust, and you can JOIN THE TAE PARTY MOVEMENT,  along with SHERIFF JOE ARPIO, and his cold case possee, WE are in process of having OBAMA impeached, and this will take place one minute after OBAMA takes the oath of the PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES,  but we need more members for the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, it is free, WE just need your name with the other 45 million we have now, their is strength in numbers, ”WE THE PEOPLE ” do the work, and have for the past 4 yrs, and we have gone fron 6 million to 45 million members, so please go on you computer and join the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT,  thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Hang on to those thoughts!! They are beautiful!!

  • Chuck S

    Larry, yes this is what I am talking about Obama was not a citizen here in USA and not born here either. This is why we need to take care of USA and stop the other until we get back what we have lost. We have a lot of people out of work and will work, but need a fair wage so they can raise their families. Time to clean house in the goverment get rid of all and start fresh, with someone who puts we the people first as it should be and not hiding all the BS like yes they have raise the social security taxes, federal taxes and state taxes already this year. Remember they said they would not raise taxes, but they did anyway. They all are full of themselves and do not care for the other person, only how much they get out of it, like all of them got good raises for this year already???

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    Sounds like we’re on a roll.Here is some things I found in my Instruction Book:
     
    MATT24:6 -8 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.I know for you non beleivers you probably don’t beleive that we are living in ythe end times,but we really are.Like I said we christians don’t stand up for the truth anymore.We kicked GOD out of your Schools, out of our Goverment,we even tried to kick HIM out of Christmas again.We don’even want Him on our money.Out of all these blogs here there was only one person that said they would Pray. There is only one way to get rid of the demon ,MARK:9:29 He told them, “This kind can come out only by prayer and fasting. SO I GUEST IT’S TIME FOR US SAINTS TO SHOW THE AIN’T.We need to stast praying and fasting. Lets get GOD back in our country. Remember this Great Country was founded on GOD!!!!! Romans 9:12

  • zagozana

    Yo, Begneli….
    So everything is OK as long as the redistrobution goes upward to those who
    already have everything including the “TP” party in their pockets.
    Now the Aussie named Ruppert Murdock wants to buy even more of our “news”
    outlets and put his greedy little hands on everything we own.
    The poor will cost you even if you don’t  want to take care of them.
     
    Would you rather spend $24,000 a year/per on higher education or $36,000 on putting them in prisons?
     
    This is the redistrobution we should all fear, not the crap you people keep bringing up…

    • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

      @zagozana   That’s the old ” Is it farther to Detroit or by bus?” question. And no, –  redistribution is wrong in any direction. I believe in property rights for all individuals, rich , poor, in between.

    • Charie66

      @zagozana Rupert Murdoch is such a  Crazed Conservative he hangs out with Bill and Hillary Clinton.  Wish you Libs would ever use your brains for what they were intended.  Use logic and linear thinking.  Rupert Murdoch is a smart businessman.  He starts businesses because he thinks they’ll make money for him.  BTW, there is no such thing as THE TEA PARTY.  There are many Tea Parties.
       
      Not sure what your correlation is between money for education and “putting them in prison”.  When has more money ever equated  an education that will keep a young person out of prison?  Bad thinking. .  Bad.  But I know it’s easier and more fun just to call names and be sarcastic.
       
      Speaking of crap…

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @Charie66  @zagozana
         Well, with more education, you might not find yourself feeling so cold in January with bare arms.  You would know to wear a long sleeve shirt!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Kissitgoodbye  @Charie66  @zagozana You too, will stand before JESUS CHRIST, in the determination of were each of us  will spend eternity. I believe HE will hand out many surprises.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Evermyrtle. Please elaborate.

        • Evermyrtle

          Imagine these scene which will occur in the very near future, I believe
           where JESUS will have all the peoples in the world before HIM:
           
          Matt’25:31-34
          31.  When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS GLORY, and all the Holy Angels with HIM, then  shall HE sit upon the throne on HIS GLORY
          32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and HE shall separate them one from another,, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:
          33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
          34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come< ye blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
           
          To get the rest of the story read the rest of Matthew 25, verses 35-46 which explains what will happen next and why.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Evermyrtle  @Charie66  @zagozana
           Is this your way of telling me I’m going to hell?

        • Evermyrtle

          @Kissitgoodbye  @Evermyrtle  @Charie66  @zagozana Actually you need to read the rest of the chapter to understand what I am trying to say. It does not tell only about the lost , it tells about the saved, also It is not up to me to tell you are going to hell. That is between you and GOD. I am just giving some info that may make a difference in the decisions that you make or it may not but it was worth try. You asked me to “elaborate” and i did as you asked..

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Evermyrtle Maybe you should ponder the meaning of the phrase”the glory has gone out”, because it has done so and NOT just in Israel!

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Evermyrtle./ I asked you to elaborate because I didn’t get the connection between what I said and what you posted. It always was between me and God, or so I thought. Neither am I lost.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandraLeeSmith  @Evermyrtle Are you saying that JESUS’ words are null and void? If the glory has gone out there was no JESUS to start with. JESUS,  when HE said HIMSELF  that eh SON OF GOD SHALL COME IN HIS GLORY, I BELIEVE HIM 100%. If fact, I believe every word that HE spoke  100%.
           
          Are you trying to tell me something that I don’t know? Where did this great wisdom come  from? Wherever it came from, for my part it can it can stay there. I do realize that in modern day Christianity many say that parts of HIS WORD is no longer relevant, I don’t swallow that. Ridicule is their favorite weapon against true believers.Anyone trying to convince is  such, is wasting their time.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Evermyrtle It’s just a suggestion; and you wouldn’t believe me about where I got that notion from, even if I told you.  BTW, I don’t  follow “modern” Christianity.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandraLeeSmith  @Evermyrtle Suggestions are good, but do in in a way that will not turn people away. There is a Christian way to do things and there is a wrong way to do things, things as small as “only suggestions.” I have heard many great evangelists, I have read many books and many suggestions, but you and they have to convince me. If you can’t prove it don’t bother to try to convince me.
           
          It would be so very nice if you could give your information and suggestions in a little less haughty, way to do it  like you love the person you are talking to, instead of the attitude of “Listen, I know the hell, what I am talking, you idiot”

        • Evermyrtle

          @Kissitgoodbye I did not say you were lost, not did suggest that you were not lost.I do not know  nor is it my right to say you are lost. I only gave you what you asked for. The info I gave you referred to the saved and to the lost. I added nothing to it and I would have printed it all but if I had it would have been deleted, because there are words in it that will not be tolerated. .

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Evermyrtle / I don’t communicate in scripture. If I have something to say, I say it.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Evermyrtle Tell you what;, YOU take this curse of seeing things others miss; I really don’t want it in any case.  I’m sure you could put it to much better use.  I’m sorry it offends you that I share the information, but if you want it in fluent “Sailor/Marine’ I speak that also!  Learned it many years ago, in order to communicate with Marines.  I’m not sharing this to make people feel good because this is NOT “feel good” information; and those who need to hear it will; those who choose to not hear it won’t.

        • winner08

          @Kissitgoodbye  @Evermyrtle  @Charie66  @zagozana
           Actually noone knows who is going to Hell! It is like people saying Adolf Hitler is going to Hell! Jesus says” I am the Truth and the Light”, another words we do not know the Truth. We are informed of what the truth is, but alot of that is propaganda.Jesus will come back and he will be the Judge of the living and the Dead! Jesus says” I know you are not strong,but you have not denyed me before other men, so I will open a door that no man shall shut”. It is just like when they tried to stone this woman for being a Witch, and Jesus said,” He who is without Sin, cast the first stone.” We found out only too late that so many Wars have been declared, only to find out it was all a lie. The first World War is a good example. All of our Soldier’s that bought those War Bonds and when the Depression came and they wanted their money, it was not there. President Herbert Hover sent out the National Guard on our World War I veterans, instead of telling them the truth, The money was gone. What have we ever got out of any war that was fought. Now we are in Turkey helping them, Why? They hate us.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Kissitgoodbye  @Evermyrtle O K I get you, you do it your way, fine. I do mine, my way. That is fair. That is the choice that GOD gives us!

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandraLeeSmith  @Evermyrtle Actually it doesn not offend me. Nothing you say will reflect on me. If you want to be a “hard nose Marine,” that is fine with me. i was only suggesting that if you talk to  there as if they were your equals and not as if you are the big man, excuse the big boss, you will have more people listening to you. But, I really do not care how you relate your info.
           
          Adios!!

        • SIR WILLIAM TOO

          That’s Right your choice Heven or Hell

        • Evermyrtle

          @winner08  @Kissitgoodbye  @Charie66  @zagozana This reminds me of Mark:19-20
          . It tells of the things in the end days.  and we know by reading that we are in the end days. People will say <” That has been being said ever since JESUS teft the earth but they do not read the description of these days from HIS WORD. Just take one thing that has occurred in the last year, in America and think about it, how many places in the world has homosexual practices legal. in almost every land it is an abomination to the country as well as to GOD. Even countries who are not Christian say the same thing. One other thing we are legally killing millions of people every year by abortion.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @SIR WILLIAM TOO /. We may have different approaches. That doesn’t make your’s better than mine or visa versa. I believe religion is personal and it isn’t a contest. We may approach things differently, and that is just fine.

        • zagozana

          @Kissitgoodbye  @SIR 
          I have never been more optimistic about the future because G-d has already won. There was never really any doubt that He would, so why all this  fear and loathing? We are all his children and all we need to do is love each other and learn to forgive.
          Oh, and when the wealth drains ever upward it will sooner or later drown the rich.
          The good farmer waters his entire field and doesn’t just choose favorites.
          He also knows not to over water it because it may rot and be replaced by weeds.
          He knows that each seedling he grows is important and is generous to each knowing the potential even before it is planted.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @zagozana @SIR / Well you are a product of your education, so I can’t blame you. Hope you remain as blissful in the future as you are today.

        • Evermyrtle

          @zagozana  @Kissitgoodbye I feel sure that there are millions that HE dosn’t consider HIS children.They hate HIM or either deny HIM completely.  HE tells us that HE will not contend with us forever. HE says , “If your are ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you before my FATHER. Then there are the millions that will not make it to heaven. Read Matthew 25

        • Charie66

          @Kissitgoodbye   What in the world are you talking about?

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Charie66 / I think it was in reference to Zagozana’s remark that Obama knows we have a right to “Bare Arms”. Is that the one? Who remembers?

        • Evermyrtle

          @zagozana  @Kissitgoodbye 
          We will be able to say GOD has won when HE puts all the evil beneath HIS feet and that HE will do. The evil is a might army raging war against thi,s every day. There is no doubt, no danger of HIM winning but HE will give the evil ever chance to turn from evil, until HE decides it is time to clean up and I also, have no doubts that HE has that time all mapped out. JESUS WON THE BATTLE AGAINST DEATH but there are other battles to fight.

        • Evermyrtle

          @zagozana  @Kissitgoodbye
           
          You can get information on this event in Matthew 24, 25 and other scriptures.
           
          2 Peter  3:13 “Nevertheless w, according to HIS promise, look for new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness”
           
          Rev 21:1-2
           
          1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
          2. And I john saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down for GOD out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    I SAY AND EYE FOR AN EYE Capital Punishment . AND AS FAR AS THE EDUCATION as long as they pay it back. I’m all for it

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    SIR WILLIAM TOO   , WE  have an ATHEIST  for our PRESIDENT, and i don’t think that his counter parts are CHRISTIANS either, so YES , OBAMA is trying to take GOD out of everything, , HE ”WORSHIPS” ILAAH, or something?   when we get the ATHEIST out of ”OUR WHITE HOUSE” then we can TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Well Larry, how are you today? I have been out town all day, First trip was to The doctor, she said that she was afraid I would live, but not to worry about it, and life is still good for those who love GOD, HIS SON and THE HOLY GHOST. I hope you have had fun today, doing whatever you did.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, YOUare a wonderful young lady, and i want you to be around for many more years, we need more ladies like yourself, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN This does wonders for my flagging ego. Thanks for  being there when I need someone.You do it every time. Thanks, again.

  • winner08

    Everymytle. It is said that Satan can recite the Bible, but if you know the Bible, you can preach it from your Heart where Jesus dwells. That is why it use to be when you swore on the Bible you said, I swear to tell the Truth, the whold truth and nothing but the Truth. so help me God. Another words digest what you are saying that is close to your Heart and know that if it is not of Love, it is not of God, for God is Love. The Lord wants his people to fight for their Holy Land and when they refused he had them wonder the Desert. When it is time, God will be on the side of his Choosen people and noone will be able to defeat them, but they will not have peace, until they prove that they are willing to do battle. That is why I am not worried about what I observed going on in the World today. We must take Heart and Trust in the Lord, Love one another and not be so Pius about our faith, but be humble.

    • Evermyrtle

      @winner08 Great truthful post!!
       
      Since Satan was an angel who became so evil he was cast out of heaven it makes sense that he is fluent with scriptures and uses them to get what he wants. . I believe the WORD say that Satan comes quoting scriptures. You are  correct quoting scriptures and knowing scriptures are two different things.I believe that your hit the nail on the head because I believe that GOD will fight for HIS own Chosen Ones, also. HIS WORD says that he whole world will hate HIS people in the end days and we find that  is true.They have lost their last friend when America turned against them. The majority of the world thinks their land belongs to the Palestinians and the O will back them, up. I believe that will bring about disaster. I believe one reason that the majority believe this way is because it does not want to believe it but that will do nothing to stop what is coming.it.The Bible is fulfilled every day and if we are not Christians it should be very scary but those people believe everything will be hokey dorey. but I do not think so. I have great faith that GOD will take care o HIS people
       
      Jeremiah 8:II For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people sligtly, saying Peace, Peace, but there will be no peace.

  • SIR WILLIAM TOO

    As  a christian if you know someone that is sinning you need to tell them in LOVE ,that they really need to do the right thing Because there blood will be on you hands. It is a HARD JOB  to be a CHRISTIAN.
    EZEKIEL 3:18, States: When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. SOO you have to TELL THE TRUTH!!!
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10New International Version (NIV)
    9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[. 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

  • Evermyrtle

    Good Morning, Larry! Where are you this morning. I miss seeing your posts. You always make my day brighter with your thoughtful kind, sweet comments. I’ll talk to you later.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, I am a buisy man , doing a lot of nothing, NO, not really, I am an ARTIST, by trade, I do sign AND  scenic, I owned my oyn business for 14 yrs. in ENGLEWOOD, FL. that is on the GOLF COAST, near SARASOTA, FL. then in 1985 i went to work for DISNEY WORLD, in ORLANDO. FL. as a SCENIC ARTIST, AIR BRISH ARTIST, AND SIGN PAINTER, and then in 1999 MICHAEL EISNER took charge of the company, and he got rid of a lot of people, according to sceniority, so now i am a FREELANCE ARTIST here in WINTER GARDEN, FL.  and work has been very scarce since 2007. but i stay buisy painting PICTURES  and teaching others for free, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • bobseeks

    @Charie66  @demlibsuk No one’s taxes should have gone up – spending should have been slashed to where taxes can be cut.

  • Charie66

    @winner08 You obviously don’t know that the South Koreans were the ones to use napalm.  It was a South Korean who dropped the napalm in that picture of the naked little girl running down the road.
     
    You should be ashamed of yourself talking that way about John McCain.  That man can’t raise his arms above his shoulders to this day because of the way he was tortured.  If you want to attack him for his politics go ahead but don’t ever denigrate his war service and incarceration in that North Korean hellhole!!!!!

    • SandraLeeSmith

      @Charie66  @winner08 You need to understand that the US also used napalm, and the enemy was using every thing at their disposal too; that is the NATURE of war! 
      As for McCain, perhaps you should ask him what the OTHER POWs called him at the Hanoi  Hilton, before you jump to his defense…  I’m ASHAMED to say he was in the same Navy I was in!  BTW the Hanoi Hilton is in VIETNAM, not DPNK!  And I won’t even START on his “politics”!

      • Charie66

        @SandraLeeSmith  Sorry.  I morphed into the Korean War because I remember that one well, too. 
         
        I think I remember McCain saying that he “broke” under torture.  What he did or said to his captors, I don’t know,  but I do know he was offered a chance to get out of the Hanoi Hilton because his dad and grandfather were upper echelon in the Navy and he turned it down so someone else could go home in his place.
         
        IMNSHO, the U.S. should have poured everything into North Vietnam and taken out the grandfather of the present dictator.  I was one of the people who was extremely frustrated at the way that war was fought.  I’m only a Monday morning quarterback, but that is still my opinion  Also telling your enemy when you’re leaving the field of battle is, to me, a treasonable offense rather than a war strategy.

      • SandraLeeSmith

        @Charie66 You’re right about Vietnam and Afghanistan both; we actually had Vietnam WON, after Tet; but the CIA’s drug trade and Johnson’s “overlords” didn’t want us to WIN that war, or Afghanistan either, so they’re making SURE we DON’T.  There ‘s much more involved; if you aren’t familiar with UN Agenda 21, I would advise googling it, and some of the “front” groups being used by the real puppet masters, who are NOT in the US at all, because this is a GLOBAL effort, not just our problem here.
        As for McCain, most officers were traded in POW exchanges; whether or not he “chose” to stay, or was being used as leverage because his father and grandfather WERE higher up the chain, or both, I don’t know; It’s one of those we likely won’t ever know the truth about’s.  I do know what I’ve seen on some of the vets sites, and what I’ve seen of his character as my “senator” from AZ, and those 2 do fit together.

  • zagozana

    The prefect G-d allows His children to choose their path.
    Free will is G-d”s gift to us.
    Faith is allowing Him to take the oars and letting Him show us His Kingdom.
    We are in the world of the body, soon we will all be in the realm of the spirit
    very similar to our experiences in the best of our dreams. G-d’s garden is more
    beautiful then even our best imaginings.
    This world of pain is our training ground…

  • Charie66

    @debdrs  That particular article has been going around the Internet since before Thanksgiving.  I must have received it from at least 5 people.

  • Charie66

    @SandraLeeSmith  I couldn’t find your post re the Fulbright Scholarships so I’m  commenting here.  Fulbright scholarships are for anyone who meets their standards.  Bill Clinton was a Fulbright Scholarship student.

  • zagozana

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    Proof of Heaven: Evidence of the Urantia Book? – Urantia Book …
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    • Evermyrtle

      @zagozana I back you up 1,000%. It is the book for today’s people as ,never before.

  • zagozana

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    which determines the unfolding of the planetary life plan on the spheres of space.
     
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    From The Urantia Book, we learn that the Neanderthal races …
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    Urantia Book – Paper 65 (The Over-control of Evolution) –
    YouTube The Urantia Book Part III:
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    YouTube The Urantia Book Part III: The History of Urantia Paper 67:
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    969 divided by 12 = 87 There was a time when a person life was measured in months,
    (moons), not years. Not everyone knew the length of a year. That is one of the reason for the
    Stonehenge’s and circles…
     
    The Urantia Book — Part II. The Local Universe PAPER 50: Section 7.
    The Rewards Of Isolation
    P578:6, 50:7.1 On first thought it might appear that Urantia and its associated isolated worlds are most unfortunate in being deprived of the beneficent presence and influence of such superhuman personalities as a Planetary Prince and a Material Son and Daughter. But isolation of these spheres affords their races a unique opportunity for the exercise of faith and for the development of a peculiar quality of confidence in cosmic reliability which is not dependent on sight or any other material consideration. It may turn out, eventually, that mortal creatures hailing from the worlds quarantined in consequence of rebellion are extremely fortunate. We have discovered that such ascenders are very early intrusted with numerous special assignments to cosmic undertakings where unquestioned faith and sublime confidence are essential to achievement. P579:1, 50:7.2 On Jerusem the ascenders from these isolated worlds occupy a residential sector by themselves and are known as the agondonters, meaning evolutionary will creatures who can believe without seeing, persevere when isolated, and triumph over insuperable difficulties even when alone. This functional grouping of the agondonters persists throughout the ascension of the local universe and the traversal of the superuniverse; it disappears during the sojourn in Havona but promptly reappears upon the attainment of Paradise and definitely persists in the Corps of the Mortal Finality. Tabamantia is an agondonter of finaliter status, having survived from one of the quarantined spheres involved in the first rebellion ever to take place in the universes of time and space. P579:2, 50:7.3 All through the Paradise career, reward follows effort as the result of causes. Such rewards set off the individual from the average, provide a differential of creature experience, and contribute to the versatility of ultimate performances in the collective body of the finaliters.
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    • SandraLeeSmith

      @zagozana Your post here is a bit like reading the Hindu cosmology!

      • zagozana

        @SandraLeeSmith  @zagozana 
        If you think about the Universe from the top down you can see the recurring patterns of His creation. There is only one G-d and all the other entities and beings are but reflections and aspects of His personality, We should not fear nor want for anything because He made us to lie down in green pastures as well as His wonderful invention. giggling. This is one of my favorites.
        He also is not trying to fool our scientist by liming the truth of Creation to the misinterpretation of His words and deeds.
         The Universe is as old as it looks. He was in no hurry for it to play out because He invented time.
        What is more wonderful then to think that His creation is 14,654 ,000,000 years old and not some modern 6,000 years old facsimile. 
        Look how this guy tries to fit the pieces together.
        He’s puts the wrong picture on this puzzle box.
        G-d created what we see in the fossil record.
         
        http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/image/cartoons/after-eden/

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @zagozana I wasn’t having any problem about creation vs evolution.  Have you ever seen a baby born?  Any baby will do.  And thought about how that came to pass; really thought about it.  There’s NO WAY that could possibly be an accidental result of some explosion; sorry!  Just NOT possible!  That’s a deliberate DESIGN!  And the whole of creation is that way.

        • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

          @SandraLeeSmith  @zagozana I think about something: One cell is joined to one other cell and becomes one cell which later divides into two cells, then 4, and so on.Some of the new cells know how to become ears, some toes, some a clear lens in the eye, etc. All of that is programmed into one cell in the beginning.  OK class, our lab assignment today is to take some oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, etc. and make just one little living cell with all that programmed in it.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Begneli  Yeah, good luck with THAT lab project!  Very simple; all you need to do is come up with a bit of DNA, or maybe just some RNA, and go for a virus…

        • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

          @SandraLeeSmith That’s the assignment , make DNA , and all the rest from scratch.

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Begneli Not ME, I don’t have that kind of skill!  I can still remember when we didn’ t even know what that WAS!  That’s how RECENT our awareness of it is, relative to all human history and existence.

        • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

          @SandraLeeSmith Of course we can’t do it. The subject was and my point was how impossible the creation of a cell with all that DNA and complexity. So who did it?

        • SandraLeeSmith

          @Begneli I wasn’t having the problem about our Creator; that was my point in the first place when I posed that question.  I know the science, the stages of development, have followed babies through them to delivery, or seen them when something goes wrong and there’s a spontaneous abortion.   I’ve been inside the human brain, and other interesting places that just simply COULD NOT have happened by some explosive accident.  I’ve also seen enough of those to KNOW all that ever comes of an explosion is complete CHAOS and DESTRUCTION, nothing ordered or good.

  • SandraLeeSmith

    @Charie66; Now I can’t find yours on the scholarships; but Clinton’s was Rhodes, which is for anyone; Fulbrights are strictly for foreign nationals coming here to study.    Both have the same essential goal and may well come from essentially the same source, but they are different in that single respect.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    ZOGAZANA, these two things have NOTHING to do with EACH other, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    SandraLeeSmith, YOU are talking about the ONLY LIVING GOD, this is the same GOD that i BELEIVE IN, ”GOD ALL MIGHTY”, and his ONLY BEGOTEN SON, ”JESUS CHRIST, TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST, and read the HOLY BIBLE, the BOOK OF TRUTH, LARRY NIEMAN

  • zagozana

    So are we Jews and all the other true religions who you may think are going to hell?
    To believe that G-d is not much more enlightened then His minions is ludicrous?
    He loves all His childern even when they seem to hate Him.
    The wayward son was one of His favorites…