TSA Agents Getting Their Kicks From Your Nude Scans


By chance did any of you travel this Christmas season?

Did you fly the friendly skies to and from your destination?

If so, did you find yourself standing inside one of the full body scanners with your arms raised above your head?

As you were standing there, did you believe the lies that TSA keeps telling the American public about how they really can’t see that much detail and that the agents who review those are completely professional?

Then think again.  According to a former TSA employee turned blogger, a number of the TSA agents that reside in the Image Operator rooms, are getting their kicks watching the images of people’s nude bodies.

“Now, the I.O. Room (the image operator room, where your nude images are viewed at airports that still use the backscatter x-ray full body scanners), that, my friend, is a whole different story. In the image analysis room, no one is permitted to leave or enter without ample warning (part of TSA’s promise to the public that officers “would never see the passenger whose nude image they just viewed,” although I did occasionally witness this being violated, see Confession #1) and, like the private screening room, recording devices of any kind are prohibited. So in summation: what you have are one to two to three TSA officers locked in a room, viewing nude passenger images, with a guarantee that no one can barge in on them, and that no surveillance cameras can legally be present.”

“Just use your imagination on the stories among TSA officers of what has gone on in the I.O. room.”

“Personally, in the I.O. room, I witnessed light sexual play among officers, a lot of e-cigarette vaping, and a whole lot of officers laughing and clowning in regard to some of your nude images, dear passengers.  Things like this are what happens (at the very least) when you put people who are often fresh out of high school or a GED program (although there are actually a few TSA screeners with PhDs, which I guess is sad on so, so many levels) with minimal training and even less professionalism, into the position of being in charge of analyzing nude images of people in a hermetically sealed room.”

Whether you believe the blogger or not, it made me recall what happened in an airport this past summer when I was flying to see my parents.  An extremely attractive young woman stood in the body scanner with arms raised.  The male TSA agent manning the scanner seemed to keep her there longer than anyone else in line.  Before she could collected her laptop computer and other belongings from the conveyor belt on the other side of the scanner, I noticed two men step out of the security room and stare at the young woman.  As soon as she collected her things and turned the corner, the two men stepped back into the room.  Obviously, they had seen her nude scan and wanted to see the real thing.

Just something for you to consider the next time you get ready to travel anywhere.







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  • rosie46

    Government sponsored pronography and they pay these idiots to be entertained.  What would we lose if they were all fired — that’s right they are now unionized.  Good job Congress!!  Here is a budget cut that the citizens would cheer about.

  • wedey

    See this exactly what happens when the federal govt get involved.  Do we give up freedom for safety sake.
    And what disgusts me even more is that mid eastern women do not go through this.  They only search them from their neck up.  And to grope kids and old people is just disgusting.  In fact, all our lives we teach our kids to not let anyone touch them and then look what happens then.  Maybe I would like more freedom and less govt intrusion.
    I realize things can happen but we can’t control everything.

  • Publius

    I went through Chicago O’Hare a few weeks back. Waiting for my connecting flight, I stepped outside for a smoke and had to go back through the screening process to get back in. When I came up to the TSA agent who was checking passports and boarding passes, I stepped up just behind the lady in front of me, not aware of the “yellow line” I was supposed to wait behind. The thug, er, I mean the TSA agent, very crudely yelled at me that I was to wait behind the line until he called for me. I kept my mouth shut, lest I would have been manhandled and thought to be a threat or something. The young woman beside me then said, “That’s why we’re known as the worst airport.”
    Point is, these thugs put on a badge and think they can push us around at their whim. They should all be fired and let the airlines take care of safety. After all, it’s their property and therefore their responsibility and they’ll do it MUCH more efficiently and politely. And now these SOB’s are unionized? What a joke!

    • Texasmom4

      Same deal for decades with nurses aides – all of a sudden they had POWER over patients in hospital settings.

  • LaVerneVelasco

    So, DON’T FLY. I haven’t flown in about 7 years. Then, it was to get my mom out of Henryetta, OK. My sister bought cheap tickets and it seemed we were taking off and landing forever. Anyway, unless you have to because of business, DON’T FLY. See what happens to the airlines. WHO CARES, your piece of CRAP government owns them anyway. SO, let’s break them. Let them go BROKE. It will be just like government. I’m for DUMPING ALL of them. I have no care if they are Demos. or Repubs. You know why??? BECAUSE most of them are trash just plain GARBAGE and should, in my OPINION, which, by the way osama obama hasn’t taken from us, yet. So, SCREW them all. Let’s throw they OUT and start over. Certain NEW rules will apply though. The PARASITES, (not all were parasites, just most) who elected the little MUSLIM PUNK and TERRORIST are to blame for most of what’s going on in the country. Wait until we are fighting in the streets of AMERICA against these RAG-HEADS and Islamic jerks, all  of you will see. Yes, I’ve taken this opportunity to go off on the little CLOWN that occupies the White House. He is, in my mind, worse than Adolf Hitler and he is leading people as Hitler did, to their doom. He cares nothing about AMERICA. This is not just an opinion. Look around you. Listen to ALL news and different station to get all ideas, opinions and TRUTH. They want to ban the word ILLEGAL????????????????? WE should BAN them. What a bunch of dip-shits. I am totally against most of my own people. You see, I am Hispanic but I am not for osama obama. He is EVIL. Larry VELASCO, AMERICAN FIRST

    • Texasmom4

      Dream on, LaVerne.  They will keep staging the execution by gun of random innocents (in highly white neighborhoods) until all gun rights are gone.  Then will come what Bill Ayers wanted,
      “re-education” and execution of those who cannot be re-educated.  Wait and see.  The little POS sitting in the white-house is only a pawn in a master plan.

    • clydeboy

      @LaVerneVelasco
       Hey, if they go broke then we will have to prop them up like we do Amtrak and the post office. Both are BILLIONS in the hole.

    • bigjohnt

      @LaVerneVelasco You need psychiatric help.

      • RobertJones1

        @bigjohnt  @LaVerneVelasco You are the one that needs help.

      • ff_emt

        @bigjohnt  @LaVerneVelasco not nice, johnny boy…

  • yopu

    I think ALL women should dress in burka’s/middle eastern garb while traveling, as a protest against this blatant invasion of privacy and unequal treatment based on religion. I know I will next time I fly.

    • Nottakenyan

      Muslim or Islam is NOT a true religion.  It is a mental illness!!!

      • clydeboy

        @Nottakenyan
         Hey my friend, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. A false religon dreamed up by a false prophet.

      • Michael1957MN

        @Nottakenyan Actually, Islam is a “true religion.”  It is a “religion” straight out of the pitts of hell, spawned by the devil himself.
        That said, “religion” never saved anyone, only those saved by faith in Christ by the sovereign grace of God are truly saved.

  • MYS77

    Is anybody now ready to do away with this???? The perverted low IQ of these people is appalling…. and they are getting lazy and not at all interested to looking for”terrorists”. It is time to defund and abolish these TSA…. the threat isn’t and wasn’t terrorism….  the objective of the terrorist was to take away our freedoms, make us suspicious, and make us into a government sponsered miliatry state. How is that a handful of insane criminals has caused the entire nation to lose our freedom for the last 12 years even though we are a law abiding nation and love our freedom and already had security that could and should be used…. not this pathetic use of low life scum getting their kicks looking at…women….. I feel completely sick that these terrorists has brought us down to their sick level and it was the d,,,, demon democrats that put it out there, Now one sick gun touting nut kills those kids…. and now the whole nation must be punished and lose theri rights as gun owners???? Don’t you see what is happening here??? Stand up and say no. no. NO NO NO….. enough is enough. It is criminals who are getting off on this…. and law abiding good citizen is being subjected to these degrading animals!!!

    • Texasmom4

      They are of the same ilk as the low-paid ex-parolees who tend your needs in hospital.  They exact revenge in hospital for race, creed, economics and have for decades.  So now it’s revenge on those economically able to fly.

  • wirewry

    @jennisahottie – interesting. Last night in Atlanta I was sent through the fb scanner and wife and son weren’t.

  • Ihatelibs

    What is Nigabama going to do about it?  NOTHING!!!!!

    • Nottakenyan

      @Ihatelibs
       Can you imagine looking at Cheetah?

    • Michael1957MN

      @Ihatelibs 
      Check it out dude, I despise obummer, I think he is the lowest form of life, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with his race and your comment “What is Nigabama….” is out of line.  Name him what you will, but do so without reference to his race.  Personally I would have loved to see Congressman Allen West run for president, he happens also to be “black” but so what?
      If you want to slam someone and even call them less than nice names, so be it.  No problem, no problem that is until it turns racial.  Judge him on the content of his character (which content is pretty disgusting), not the color of his skin.
      Just sayin..

  • Nottakenyan

    You can always stick a pickle in your pocket!!!

    • clydeboy

      @Nottakenyan
       A big dildo and let it swing.

  • JRPPP

    MYS77: who says the kid did this alone?? How did he die? Did he only have 2 handguns? Why were EMTs not allowed to rush into the school? Why no videos of Rambo Adam blasting his way thru the door? Why NO survivors even with multiple wounds? What happened to the other 2 suspects and who were they? Why did “victim” Emilie Parker show up on ABC 2 days later in an Oblahblahblahma photo op?? And why did the coronrer not examine Adam when interviewed?

    • Linda CDines

      @JRPPP
       I wish I knew what you are refering to, another string perhaps?

    • bigjohnt

      @JRPPP What a retard. Must have voted for the Chimp-in-Chief.

  • MYS77

    12 years of the TSA oggling and being gross and disgusting…. the time to quit doing it is over…. Security and everyone boarding is more aware and yes profile  for god’s sake. Grandmothers and kids in wheelchairs being fondled  is enough!!!! Airports and airlines need to take a stand and I just wish there would be one airline that would say… fly with us, no TSA, just good securtiy and screening, and every flight has security aboard…. and let the other airlines follow suit. When are the airlines going to step up and file suit against the TSA as this is a violation of people’s personal privacy, and intrusion on the airlines way of doing and conducting theri business. TSA  personnel are gross and good grief, they look like they all just got out of prison!

    • Linda CDines

      @MYS77
       If it were offered for just a few dollars more you might see more people step up.

  • AnthonyAlexander

    As a former athlete I could care less. I have maintained my body so if they want to laugh or play with themselves goes for it, but for the majority of people passing through the airports, and me included, it is the TSA employees that are the laughing stock. It should read 1-800-FAT-A__ on the back of their government issued clothes. Most are gargantuan, with huge backsides, clumps of redundant flesh hanging off their waistlines and are in XXXXXXXL spandex sizes to accentuate the gross shape they exude.  If it wasn’t for the government they would be unemployed because they could not perform at a private job due to their self-induced eating problem making it difficult to move even under office conditions. So when I go the airport and see these fatsos I am the one who is laughing. Its better than the zoo. Too bad they don’t sell peanuts I would be tossing a few in their direction.

    • Linda CDines

      @AnthonyAlexander
       They also don’t want to discuss the low level gamma radiation, the type which causes skin cancer on even the most well kept dermus.

  • Pamela

    I agree with LaVerne (below). I rarely fly unless there’s no other way around it. Let’s me eat what I want, use the restroom when I need to and for as long as I need to, and travel w/o paying for bags.

  • Melvin_Niska

    @jennisahottie Was the young woman they are writing about you Jenn? :)

  • JRPPP

    I love AMTRAK, but they have a union=cost problem, and TSA has started invading there too. If you read the DHS insider whistleblowing, TSA WILL HAVE A VASTLY EXPANDED ROLE UNDER MARTIAL LAW coming soon after the $$$ collapse. TSA is all about you GETTING USED TO THE P{OLICE STATE–trhe 4th Amendment is gone

  • clydeboy

    What else would did anyone expect from the slugs in the TSA . I think guys should buy a pretty good size dildo and let it hang. I bet Moochell Obama. would really make them drool. Have it running down their legs. Most of these people are from loosers club. Couldn’t find work anywhere else so Geo. Bush hired anything at our expense.

  • cuervo

    three words, “I opt out”, if everyone would do this, it would jam up the lines so bad they would have to go back to the simple metal detectors. Yes you get touched, but I refuse to go thru those “safe” scanners….OPT OUT

  • Widomaker

    I used to say to my buddies the next time you go through an airport scanner, make sure you have tied a large 20″ piece of Salomi or Cucumber around your waist using simple undetectable Dental Floss underneath your underpants for all to view on the scanners. I tried it in March. 
     
    I got frisked 3 times by 6 different male and female agents, was asked if I was married by two female agents, sent flowers with an invitation to come to a “special” party by one male agent and the other male agent who was hyperventilating had to be escorted out of the building by the local Police all the while screaming “he’s mine he’s mine!”
     
    So watch out.

    • ff_emt

      @Widomaker funny. ya think it would work for female passengers, too?  :-D

    • tony

      @Widomaker Hilarious…now processing to see if there is any truth to it.

  • worm

    funny i have nothing to hide let them look and get their jollies lol, i don’t even wear my drawers when i know i  am going through let them look

  • LaVerneVelasco

    Maybe it’s time for us ALL to STOP paying income tax. It was never voted on, it was just put into place like a lot of other ILLEGAL laws. I know a couple of words the PUNK doesn’t like, ILLEGAL and TERRORIST THREAT. Well, I truly believe that your president is ILLGAL and that he is a “TERRORIST THREAT” to OUR country. What a scum he is.  PROVE me WRONG.. You can’t.         Larry VELASCO. AMERICAN

  • worm

    its time to get the american people to sign a partation that no one in crongress or the white house will draw another pay check until this spending is stopped period.

  • OLDAD

    I have a better and simpler solution that willddeliver a stern message. n Stop flying all together and let them get layed off where they belong.

    • Michael1957MN

      @OLDAD
      Too bad that wouldn’t work. You see, the TSA is already being expanded to cover bus, rail, and even POVs at select highway checkpoints. If the Public were to stop flying in protest, they would only transfer their resources accordingly; just like the officials who dropped the Bengahzi ball, aren’t really getting. Canned, only reassigned.

    • tsparky

      @OLDAD yes u r so right stop flying for one week and the airlines will do something to make it better us and safer

      • Evermyrtle

        @tsparky  @OLDAD Right!! have a strike, nobody show up at the terminal, no tickets sold, nobody to fly!!. I bet somebody will sit up and take notice!!

        • Michael1957MN

          @Evermyrtle  @tsparky  @OLDAD 
          Nice thought but it wouldn’t work for reasons stated above, and also the fact that the Federal government would not let the Airlines go down.  Just as they bailed out Big Banks, the Auto Industry, etc., they would step in with an infusion of cash to the Airlines until we short memoried, short attention spanned Americans gave up the boycott, which we would soon do realizing that our own businesses, companies, etc., would also be adversely affected by the slow down in transportation of people and goods.
          Really, do you think all the businesses (and individuals) who rely on “overnight” delivery of mail/packages/parts, etc., would go for more than a day or two without those things they need and need “now”?  In the  meantime, the TSA agents would, as I stated previously, simply be assigned elsewhere.
          Unfortunately, it will take more than a short and ineffectual boycott of the Airlines, it will take a nation united against an oppressive and unconstitutional regime to put an end to the TSA.

    • Plum

      @OLDAD I dd just that. They have demonstrated that they are perverts because, if they weren’t perverts, they would get a respectable job!

  • worm

    can’t stop flying i am in the mile high club

  • Easy street
    • ff_emt

      @Easy street um, no comment, but your email addy????  For what reason, pray tell?  I don’t think we’re interested…

      • tsparky

        @ff_emt  @Easy street  he may be like me alot of money and none of it in the bank  no taxs  f,,,k the gov dumb ass dumbacats

      • Evermyrtle

        @ff_emt  @Easy street Why is the world so hooked today on nudity and sex. You would think that it was something new, something  that has just been discovered. IT has been around at least 6,00 years you would that people would get used to it sometime.

  • chief1937

    Legalized porn is what we have thanks to our government all in the name of safety you bet but whose safety?

  • ff_emt

    Small world.  Was just sharing emails with a gentleman friend (I am female) last night about how when it FIRST started, we both had applied to TSA, but failed the psychological portion!  Must be cuz we are NOT perverts!  He’s a retired deputy, I’m a substitute teacher, with law enforcement training. We’re both thankful not to have been hired.

    • SailAway

      @ff_emtI also applied with a background in IT and a 140 IQ, but also was informed I failed the psychological profile portion. They want people who are both stupid and compliant, perverted is just a bonus that sometimes accompanies the other sought after “qualities”.

  • Jerry Baldy

    If looking at full body scans is all it takes for TSA employees to get their jollies I suggest they get one more thing, A LIFE.

  • miguel1999

    they will enjoy seeing my huge dong

    • worm

      @miguel1999 now miguel that is like saying when you take a leak man that water is cold in that toilet bowl, i always say man that water is deep lol

  • lady4liberty

    I agree with the airlines suing the TSA AND somehow set up their own private screening process.  This is about the only solution – IF we can have the tsa declared unconstitutional.  I can’t imagine getting a good judge to declare this, however!!

  • Don DeHoff

    I am 80 years young and while I still appreciate the female body, most of what you peopls say is pure hogwash. As a gynecologist friend of mine said, “you see one and you have seen them all”, plus that scanning device is not the most “revealing” instrument in town. However,  I do believe the TSA people could do a far better job “presenting their product ” to the public, especially as concerns the “seperation” of departments along with their “no tolerance” rules for the few who have little regard for rules and propiety.

    • AlwaysRIGHT

      @Don DeHoff I agree with you.  Although there’s some curiosity factor about seeing someone supposedly nude, the quality of the picture is not sufficient to interest the “perverts” out there.

  • Winston

    If this is true and TSA agents are foolishly invading the personal privacy rights of individuals then why hasn’t there been a filing of a class action civil suit been made against TSA?

    • Stan

      How far do you think they would get with a suit against the TSA? Holder would dismiss it or even the supreme court would declare it was a tax or some stupid reason. Call your Reps in congress? Nope, no help there. Just about anything goes with this administration, and believe me they have just begun to take us down.

  • Easy street

    For a number of years I inspected drug testing Labs. for the Feds.; the same Labs. by which all federal employee/employee applicants must be screened for drug use. In my experience the TSA applicants were by far the most strikingly stupid individuals ever to apply for a job. A good 10% of them, despite being previously warned they would be screened, appeared with their pee absolutely loaded with all manner of illegal drugs and prescription pain killers.
    All these flyers who have commented on their impression of these TSA
    “representatives” are entirely correct. Many of the agents are not “professional”, rather they are clearly “dregs of the earth”.

    • Brian Hill

      @Easy street Being in the drug testing field myself I can testify what you say is so. The one that just slays me every time is when being told of the result they say “I drank the tea that is supposed to cover up any drugs” I just add them to the stupid list. I think maybe I need to go into the tea business myself, it sells like hotcakes and DOES NOT WORK! Yet they keep on buying it! probably regular Lipton or other regular tea

  • AlwaysRIGHT

    I think everyone’s over-reacting.  With all the free full-color detailed porn on the internet, who gives a damn about a grainy b&w image that barely shows anything?  I really doubt this is going on to any extent at all.  And if it is, so what?  Grow up.  So, somebody’s seen you naked, who cares?   Really, are you that scared/offended that someone has seen you naked?   What if, for example, I took a completely naked picture of you, where your face is not recognizable, and I tacked it up on the wall in the bathroom at the airport (of the opposite sex)?  The result, a 100 people would have seen your body, before someone took it down.  So?  So how has that really hurt you?  
     
    What if I had a close-up picture of your ear and one of your genitals.  And I posted each of the pics on the internet for everyone to see.  Why would you be so much more outraged about the pic of your genitals?  Think about it. They’re both just body parts.  So what, one is more private than the other.  But nobody knows whose ears or parts they are anyway.  So why would you be so bent out of shape?  
     
    Why is everyone so bent out of shape over some TSA people having access to a grainy b&w picture of them?  Grow up.  Move the line along.  And get on the damn plane.  Or start an airline of your own that doesn’t scan or grope or search anyone in any way at all.  Good luck with that.  I’m sure the terrorists will make you their number one choice!  The rest of us will endure a harmless pic and a quick frisk to ensure our safety and that of other travelers.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      congrats, they have successfully numbed you to all the violations of privacy, no search without probable cause, security of our papers and persons. You are now ready for the next phase of violations and further de-humanizing of you and your family. Soon you will accept security cameras and microphones inside your own home and bathroom. For your safety of course.

    • AndrewMicklos

      I take it that nude pictures of your mother or wife or female child being published doesn’t bother you. Would you like to stand in the room while they were degrading you wife or sister or mother and having a great time laughing at them. If not then you must be a muslim because they are the only scum I know of that wouldn’t object to mistreatment of women.

      • AlwaysRIGHT

        @AndrewMicklos These are grainy b&w pictures, which if published, nobody would give a rat’s ass about!  My greatest concern would be if people were identifiable, which I don’t believe they are.  I mean, look at those pics, you can’t make out any facial features really.  So who cares?

        • Michael1957MN

          @AndrewMicklos “Who cares?”  I care, as do many others who realize that there is the principal involved that once you allow the government to freely deprive you of one right (4th Amendment, No unreasonable search and seizure), you enable them, no, you encourage them to take others until you finally have no rights other than those which the government chooses to extend to you.

    • SailAway

      I do not normally say such things, but you sir are either a propagandist for the liberals or you are a raving idiot and a moron. You were wrong about the quantity of radiation received when being scanned and you are wrong in the above comments. One of the experts who testified before Congress after 9/11 about security measures was former head of security for Ben-Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel (the safest airport in the world smack in the middle of the most dangerous region on the planet). He made it crystal clear to the Congress that these scanners would be inadequate and explained the demonstrated and proven efficacy of profiling for airport and other facilities’ security. The Congress promptly ignored his learned recommendations because they are PC cowards like most of the people in charge of our government today.
       
      The airlines would be run out of business by the government if they protested these TSA actions. The threat to shutdown air travel to/from Texas is one example of the intimidation this out of control rogue government is willing to employ. It is going to take real sacrifice from large numbers of Americans before anything can be changed. As long as they (80% of Americans) have their idiot boxes filled 24/7 with sports, “reality” TV, and Jerry Springer, Maury, and Oprah, where is that sacrifice going to come from? The TV today serves the same purpose as the Coliseum served in Rome; keep the masses mesmerized, and you can keep them enslaved. We are already slaves in this country and most of us are completely unaware of it, but if suddenly Monday Night Football was gone, oh how the masses would cry out. It is sad that such unintelligent “entertainment” is all that is needed to keep people compliant while their freedoms are systematically ripped away.
       
      I used to have hope about the future, alas, I no longer do. There simply are no longer enough people willing to make any kind of personal sacrifice to make difference. Think about it, even the radical left makes no personal sacrifice to advance their agenda. The Congress uses our confiscated wealth to enslave us, even the Occupy people would not show up if they were not being paid for their time. Al Gore only “championed” the environment as a way to make money while using exclusively old growth forest timber to build his mansion. The Hollywood elite tell us to get rid of our SUVs while they fly everywhere on private jets and go to dinner in limos, and while Barbara Streisand drives a monster RV to go everywhere she goes. Where is their personal sacrifice for the Earth they claim is in danger of annihilation? No one sacrifices anything in America today unless they are forced to do so by thugs in and out of government.
       
      Hope, like freedom, is a thing of America’s past.

  • Truth

    You forget the X Rays.  They cause cancer.  As a former soldier, I can testify I was told NOT to submit to X rays more than once a year or I would be damaging govt property.  You won’t see TSA agents getting scanned daily.  They lie.

    • AlwaysRIGHT

      I read up on this and it would take something like 50,000 times through the airport scanner to equal one regular x-ray.

      • Truth

        As I said, they lie.  It is a massive coverup.  I was told by my commanding officer NOT to submit for xrays more than once a year.  That is the truth.  Don’t believe everything you read.

      • AndrewMicklos

        Not if you are a pregnant woman.

      • barrett

        @AlwaysRIGHT Actually, when the backscatter machines were finally tested, they were 5x more powerful than we were originally told. Not to mention the fact that all the airports where these machines have been installed now have cancer colonies.

      • Brian Hill

        keep on believing the propaganda, drink you kool-aid like a nice kid!!

      • tony

        Apparently what you read and what some others have read differ greatly.  I don’t know what to believe but the former soldier saying he was told more then once a year through the security scanner is considered damage to govt property is something to be considered.  I don’t know if he is lying or possibly being lied to bu then you have to look at motive.  Being former military myself, I do know that is the language that is used because as a soldier you are govt property.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    Very few airports are actually owned by the federal government.
     
    Most are State, County, or other local entity.
     
    Anytime the operating authority chooses to do so, they can institute their own screenings.
     
    When Texas threatened to do just that, the feds declared that there would be no flights in or out of Texas.
     
    Texas should have called their bluff.
     
    They should have stuck to their guns over the tsa manhandling of passengers.
     
    If 30 or so of those cretins landed behind bars for 30 years, and 90% of them were labeled as “Child Molesters”, they would act like humans instead of the Nazis they have turned into.

  • sally

    Sally Fama

  • gypsy314

    Sick SOB ‘s Obama and democrats punish Americans and muslims get a pass because no profiling allowed. Give me a break from these left wing socialist fools.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @gypsy314
       we should ALL buy and wear burkas and small sheets on our heads with fake beards. yell “profiling” if they question us. Akbar allah

    • Raymond123

      @gypsy314Simple and effective:  Here is the solution to all the controversy over full body scanners.  Have a booth that you can step into that will not x-ray you,but will detonate any explosives you may have on your body. It would be a win-win for everyone and there would none of this garbage about racial profiling,  and this method would eliminate a long and expensive trial.  Justice would be swift.  This is so simple, it’s brilliant. I can see it now. You’re in the  airport and you hear a muffled explosion.  Shortly you hear an announcement over the PA system. Attention stand by passengers. We now have a seat available on flight 91.  Paging maintenance. Shop Vac needed in booth #5                                                                                Never Mess With An Old Man!

      • tony

        @Raymond123   @gypsy314 Raymond123  Best response ever.  Could we get some of those?

      • Michael1957MN

        @Raymond123   @gypsy314 
         
        You tell em gyrene!  Ooh Rah!  If only they would do something like this, but… alas… I’m afraid it’s to late in the current scheme of things.  Perhaps when (if) America somehow is returned to her roots… via another Revolution, a national Revival, some other means, or combination there of,  this idea is but a practical, but unfulfillable dream.
         
        Semper Fi, Brother.

      • bobmann101

        @Raymond123   @gypsy314
         Bravo Raymond. Once again you have a solution. Glad to see you back.

      • Stan

        @Raymond123   @gypsy314  A Vet friend of mine has invented just what you are talking about. The Homeland Security is checking it out. Doubtful they will use it in the way you suggest, but is a thought to consider. lol

      • Brad S

        @Raymond123   @gypsy314
        Leave it to a Marine to come up with a solution as practical (on many fronts) as that.
        Unfortunately it would never fly with Dumbocrats or Rinos in the White House.
         
        Semper Fi

  • HowardPettyjohn

    This is no surprise.  I used to watch a lot of C Span and noticed all the photographers crawling around on the floor in the pit during hearings.  When in DC I got to know a photographer.  He said it was common to photograph the under table as much as who was sitting at the table.  That steamed me.  I started harassing congressmen to get an apron put on the tables.  Once they finally did, guess what, the photographers stopped showing up but just for a few, usually women.  DC is for sure a place for weakness of morals.

  • Ron Mar

    TSA – Terrorist Support Agency – perverts.

  • rchguns

    Maybe this Is the Way, Obama wants to take sexual perverts off the streets and give them gainful employment. In the TSA you can get your jollies and get paid at the same time. It’s a perverts utopia all the fun no risk in a get paid for.
    If your perversion leans more towards pedophilia you can go out and frisk little kids and get paid for. If you enjoy any other form of perversion that TSA as a place for you.

  • sally

    I have two documents written by two different doctors who state that one scan at the airport is equivalent to one xray.
    Flying alone is equivalent to one xray.  
     
    Besides being subjected to xrays, we are all subjected to humiliation.  We are losing all of our freedoms, one by one.

    • mgvcms

      Another reason to think twice about more gun laws. If you think you are losing your freedom now, just wait until everyone is disarmed and then see what plans big brother has for you.

  • Batsin_Bellfry

    It is a false sense of security. People have accidentally taken guns through the scanners. That is why Israel rejected them.
    Also, I would not stop several armed people from approaching the security area, pulling out guns from under their jackets and shooting every one of these tsa thugs. Nor stop someone bringing a ie inside a bag and detonating it on the conveyer belt.  or checked luggage, or inside the food crates, or with a mechanic, probably more weaknesses than I can think of.

    • bobmann101

      @Batsin_Bellfry
       I have always believed that they should do the screening OUTSIDE the airport

  • agent

    As a former TSA agent and a die-hard conservative, I can tell you that most of what you read is just garbage! I was involved with many agent and they are just doing their job .  I agree that if you don’t like the TSA and the checking at airports . . . then drive, take a bus, a train or learn to fly your own plane. The TSA agents are hard working Americans just like you. It would be great if we lived in a perfect world but we don’t . . . so somethings we don’t like have to happen.

    • TomKlein

      @agent and how many actual terrorists has the TSA caught since inception…….yea that would be ZERO
      And your comment on taking the train, bus or car ignores the fact that they are starting to be placed at train stations and bus depots.

    • TomKlein

      @agent and how many actual terrorists has the TSA caught since inception…….yea that would be ZERO
      And your comment on taking the train, bus or car ignores the fact that they are starting to be placed at train stations and bus depots.

      • stormtrooper1991

        @TomKlein  @agent
         Yes they are. Coming soon to a road near you, CHECKPOINTS ! I hear they worked nicely during the Third Reich…

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      I doubt both of your claims. There have been too many videos of these goons treating Americans as criminals without the benefit of an indictment. They are like the sadists who get jobs of authority and start mistreating people they are supposed to protect.  Plus, why should we have to give up the convenience of flying just because these criminals can not be controlled. Besides the ultimate goal is to expand their jurisdiction to railways and eventually to roads. “Do you have your papers?”  “do you have your travel documents?”

    • Michael1957MN

      @agent
      I don’t doubt what you say about many TSA agents being nothing more than “hard working Americans,” that however, does not change facts.
      Fact 1.) The TSA, in it’s daily functions of searching (whether by pat down, x-ray, and/or strip search) airline (Train, bus, POV drivers/passengers) without a search warrant, is in violation of the Constitutional right against “unreasonable search and seizure (see 4th Amendment).
      Fact 2.) While there may be statistically more “good” TSA agents, just doing their jobs, this does not negate the fact that there are far too many “bad” TSA agents, going far beyond their already illegal (under the Constitution) duties, extending into other recognizable criminal activity (i.e., sexual molestation, theft, etc.).
      Fact 3.) The expansion of the TSA into other forms of transportation , i.e., rail, bus, and even personal (POVs) vehicles traveling on State and/or Interstate Highways, renders moot your point about not flying via Public Airlines.

      • Stan

        @Michael1957MN  @agent  Wow, somebody with commonsense! Thank You!

      • agent

        @Michael1957MN  @agent The supreme court has already ruled that this is an administrative search and is constitutional.

        • Michael1957MN

          @agent
          Yes, so… the Supreme Court also ruled that “slavery” and “segregation” were legal at one time; they were WRONG.

        • winner08

          @Michael1957MN  @agent
           Good example. Freedom is becomming Slavery. We are not free to fly without being subjected to humilation. If you live in Washington D.C you are not represented, that is why you will see on their Liscence Plate, “Taxation withou representation”. Our Vote has’nt really counted since the Bush era., if the City puts a sidewalk on your property you have to shovel it, eventhough you did not want it., you pay a toll at the toll both and it also comes out of your taxes, it does’nt matter if you have kids or not you have to pay for school taxes, you have to pay for the Trash to be pick up,  it just goes on.

    • JimGray

      That very attitude is why our country is where it is. Just go along to get along. Don’t create any waves…folks are just doing their jobs. Unfortunately “I was just doing my job” didn’t fly at the Nuremberg Trials. I am not saying TSA is doing things equivalent to Nuremberg. (at least not at this time). It’s the principle of justifying bad behavior as “I was just doing my job”. Wrong is wrong regardless of one’s rationalization.

    • winner08

      Who pay’s for the TSA agent. You know it has to come out of the pocket of the Airlines, so they pass that loss to the consumer, who does not see the convience or the benifit of it. It slows down everything and is inhumanizing. We are people who only want to be treated with respect, afterall it is the paying customer that is being inconvience. Where is the retribution for this inconvience. Try telling a Senator you need to pat them down, lol. They have their own Taxpaying protection.

  • ConservativeGirl

    As a fit 20 something young woman who travels frequently, I refuse to go through the body scanner at the air port.  I prefer the full-body pat down by a female TSA agent in front of all other passengers because it makes the TSA agents squirm.  Every time the TSA agents try to convince me that the scanner is “completely safe.”  When I refuse to go through the scanner, the agent at the front of the line always gets flustered and has to call someone out of the break room to perform the pat down.  It’s the highlight of my airport visit; you should try it sometime :)

    • tony

      You go girl.  Love that you flip the tables on them.  lol

    • bobmann101

      I do not travel very much.  When I not only chose the pat down, but being a male I ask for a female to pat me down, because I do not want some man’s hands all over me. Of course they refuse, and this gives me the chance to cause a scene and get a few laughs.

  • sally

    Agent, have you ever been to Israel?  Israel probably has more people trying to kill Israelis than people of other countries, including us.  They don’t subject people to body scanners, they don’t “pat down” people at their airport.
     
    When they first started making us take off shoes after the shoe bomber attempt, and then after the attempt by the underwear bomber, I wondered if they were going to make us remove our clothing!  It was a joke, but it turned out to be true, because that is exactly what the scanner does.
     
    I haven’t traveled by commercial planes since they’ve instituted this scanner and pat down, and I will not until things change.  If everyone boycotted air travel, the commercial airlines would squawk like hell and maybe the TSA would be thrown out.
     
    Everyone talks about the TSA agents looking at nude women on the scanner; how about the TSA agents who have been caught stealing valuables from passengers?  The whole idea of the TSA is repugnant.

    • stormtrooper1991

      I have boycotted.

    • winner08

      No it would be like the Unionized Auto Workers who lost so much from the lack of American interest in the high cost for the price we had to pay and the poor workmanship. The Government would just reward the Airlines, like the past and pay for them from our Taxes.

  • Blessings

    This is outrageous .. I won’t go through one of those scanners ever again. My husband and Doctor are the only ones I give permission too to see me naked..This is a serious violation of my right to privacy .. if this is true, I think American people should sue..

  • muppet

    Israel profiles passengers, and has great success.  Why don’t we do the same?

    • stormtrooper1991

      @muppet
       Because that is ” Racial Profiling ” and that is WRONG !  (BE CAREFUL OF THE SARCASM DRIPPING FROM THIS POST)

      • winner08

        @stormtrooper1991  @muppet
         Oh Please! when is the last time you flew? The dripping is from the stuff running off the liberals that refuse to listen to anything that sounds offensive.(crybaby) Well I for one am offended about our rights to travel being violated and the cost for the inconvience, not to mention the delay’s.

  • FrancesCampbell

    it is not just the indignity of the scanner  and the pat down–the last time i flew–i endured all of the above and then the female tsa person with gloved hands that had already handled hundreds of passengers started going through my hair with those filthy gloves.  i do not have big hair that could hide anything and even take full care of my own hair.  i was shocked and repulsed for being so violated.  i am a senior woman.  i also had my passport and airline tickets stolen from me on an international trip.. while i was dressing the passport and tickets disappeared  from the grey basin they were in.  it was someone at tsa and when i became loud and threatened to call the police–a supervisor was called to calm me… thirty five minutes later–he brought my property to me and would not answer when i demanded to know what had happened.  i consider tsa to be thugs with authority and an attiiude and now that they are unionized-travel will become even more disgusting

  • texasjo

    To FrancesCampbell and Muppet…agree with you completely.  They should be made to change gloves everytime they touch us, they are protecting only themselves!  And, yes, when I was in Israel, the Tel Aviv airport was wonderful, so were the people.  They just asked my daughter and myself a couple of questions bout our trip, the next person was a dark, bearded young man, with a backpack.  He had to go thru the whole business and more.  They are so right!!

  • bobmann101

    I understand 100% Does anyone have a solution as to how we are to find anything  a person is carrying on their person that is able to cause the death of 1000′s of people? How would you feel if a person boarded a plane, without being screened, that also had your loved ones on board and the person set off a bomb or a chemical killing everyone on board?

    • Jim Bragg

      @bobmann101
       Then why don’t they pat down the people that fit the profile of a terrorist? I have personally watched 5 young Muslim males wearing the full traditional Muslim Garb walk right onto the plane without a second glance while the TSA had pulled a young lady with her child to search! Screw PC, use your head and search those who fit the profile of a terrorist!

      • winner08

        @Jim Bragg  @bobmann101
         Maybe it is cause we are so bent on being Politically correct. Look at that one Muslim lady that was cover from Head to Toe. All you could see is her eye’s and she complained about them questioning her PassPort picture. All of these Foreign diplomate get protection  from our Government when at the United Nations. Belive me you know that is expensive.

      • bobmann101

        @Jim Bragg
         http://s241.beta.photobucket.com/user/bobmann101/media/Airport-1.mp4.html?sort=3&o=70#/user/bobmann101/media/Airport-1.mp4.html?sort=3&o=70&_suid=1356728678062001735500389583039

    • captmike49

      @bobmann101 Stop drinking the kool aid, you are no safer now than you were pre homeland security TSA. TSA is a joke.

    • JimGray

      @bobmann101
      You obviously didn’t hear about the guy who snuck explosives through these type of scanners several times undetected. (Strangely this never made it to the main stream news.) You can be sure if he figured out how to, a highly motivated terrorist would have nooooo problem.

      • winner08

        @JimGray  @bobmann101
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
        we reall need to get our Soldier’s home and protect our Country immediately!!!!!

    • Stan

      @bobmann101 Just remember, those who give up freedom for security end up with neither! Yes there should be security, but use Israels method.

      • bobmann101

        @bobmann101
         Yes I agree Stan. I read about Israel AFTER I made my post. They are in danger 24/7. It works for them.

    • winner08

      @bobmann101
       Ask yourself? why is it that after 911 we are no longer safe to travel? We use to have planes hyjacked to Cuba, but that was it. It is what is comming into this country we have to watch for.

  • texasjo

    Sally, now (on American Airline) they don’t make you take your shoes off if you are over 75.  Ha…and ask you if you can reach above your head (of course, I can).

  • texasjo

    to the Agent.  most of what I’ve read has happened to me.  Flying out of Heathrow was bad and I was in a wheelchair, they reached between my legs, and completely patted down the Indian person pushing me.  Ridiculous.  He didn’t get on the plane.  Embarrassing.  I did used to have a plane, but would never fly it overseas.  Yep, Israel the best!

  • Jim Bragg

    As a retired Law Enforcement Officer ever since the TSA took over I have been subjected to ‘special searches’. I have to place my retired ID pack into the scanner with my change and keys and as soon as it goes through they flag me! For the life of me I can see no reason other than I am a retired LEO and this allows them to get their kicks by bossing me around. Maybe the got a ticket or arrested or just rejected as an applicant. “I” am one of the guys you want on the plane! TSA is useless and costs billions and needs to be disbanded. Let the Airports take charge of security and give them some grants to deffer the costs. Still be cheaper and it will be much better run.

    • winner08

      @Jim Bragg
       You are so right. If it was an individual with a GED or now it is even less. They hire dropouts to push for the ease of the Unemployment. I hate to take my wife to the Airport, cause it use to be nice to watch the plane leave. Now they make it almost impossible to find a place to drop the person off. If you go on the red eye, you will discover that none of the coffee shops are open after a certain time.I would leave my ID pack in the small carry on with some dirty underwear and snut ridden handkercheif.

  • Ballistic45

    Government and Corruption are synonymous..  They are twins….  If you are one, you are the other, if not now, soon to be…

  • http://yahoo.com/ Lou J Apa

    Very wrong and MUST stop NOW!!!…Porn is what IT IS and sickening!!..lja/JMJ

  • Stan

    The only thing those scanners are good for is entertaining the TSA. And costing the taxpayer lots of money!

  • LAW DESPARATELY NEEDED

    What the hell do you expect? You have criminals making the laws! What safeguards are in place? None, How many bombings have been stopped? NONE, How much money is being wasted on those foolish laws that do nothing at all they were promised to do and make things so much worse in so many ways for the citizens of the US. A LOT! Yet these laws were passed against our wishes by those who benefit from them that we elected to represent us. If we allow it, they will try to do the same as they always do. When making laws for some disaster that emotion blocks rational thought with demands something has to be done, this is exactly what happens every single time. How many times were we promised this just needs time to work. If it were not for those who are politically correct, this would be as it should have been, a bad idea that was pushed on us. When will people understand that these empty brained people we pay so much and waste so much, are to ignorant and arrogant to listen to reason! Does anyone truly believe that pushing poorly thought out laws by people having absolutely no knowledge of what they are involving themselves in will make a law that will actually even address a problem they cannot intelligently speak of? You do not have people who never go through scanners write laws that don’t affect them or anyone in their family. Then you have those who don’t even know the end of a gun that makes noise, trying to regulate things that have no affect on what they are trying to do, trying to make laws that make things harder for those they are trying to help. The assault weapon ban did not work before. It was just making some a lot of money.  What makes stupid people is continually repeating mistakes and expecting different results. All Prohibition did was fund the mobsters, give them a reason to flourish, allow them to expand, and increase the flow of liquor. It was also responsible for killing thousands of people it was supposed to protect by taking out the controls that were in place before the law. WHY CAN WE NOT ALL LEARN FROM HISTORY AND NOT KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER?

    • http://wowway.com/ Randy Gaiser

      @LAW DESPARATELY NEEDED
      I totally agree with what you have said here, Obama has been the best thing that has happened to the firearms business since Samuel Colt & John Moses Browning. The firearms business is the ONLY business that has flourished while Obama has been President.
      As far as the airports and the TSA, the public needs to boycott the industry and find another source of transportation, maybe they will get the message. If the REMAINING airlines suffer enough, they will see that the TSA is put OUT OF BUSINESS in order to save the industry for the future.
      I don’t know why they don’t place armed personell and even bomb sniffing dogs on the planes to guard against hi-jackers and lunatics instead of all the people working to impede passengers in the terminals. This never made sense to me.

      • american2american

        @Randy Gaiser  @LAW It only makes sense if you look at what it is they truly want to achieve rather than what they claim it is for.  Those who follow it lock step are the ones who are making us more and more vulnerable to their anti constitutional laws every day.  Don’t fly commercial.

    • winner08

      @LAW DESPARATELY NEEDED
       We have an Air Marshall on every flight. I say that if someone tries to blow up our Airplane, we shoot them with a stun gun or know out gas. We could use Dogs to sniff out any bombs alot better. We need to push for Capitol punishment and make it so that there is no plea bargaining. The criminal is put to death immediatly. or just shoot the scumbag on the tarmack.

  • franseaaz

    Best way to thwart this behavior is to not fly.  When the airlines start losing more and more revenue, they’ll remedy the problem all by themselves.  Now, I know this isn’t probably feasible for most travelers, however, there are many of us who don’t have to fly, enough I think to really affect revenues.  It’s human nature for any scanner, male or female, to find humor in the human anatomy.  I laugh at mine daily.

    • agbjr

      @franseaaz Go AMTRAK. Before booking a flight check the AMTRAK web site; more than likely if your destination is within the Lower Forty-eight there’s a train going your way. Yes, it takes longer than flying but usually not as long as driving and if you are not in a hurry the train is much – much! – more comfortable than an airplane. Check AMTRAK first!

    • winner08

      @franseaaz
       I tried that by driving and almost all of he roads are always under construction with detours most of the way. My wife and Step-daughter tried AMTRAK. I bought them a cabin for two. It is just large enough to sit in and not enough for much more. They went from New York to Oklahoma. It took three days. Buy a ticket for an occupation of Four. That way you will have a couch and not some pull down seat with barely enough to have elbow space.

    • american2american

      @franseaaz I believe it is probably “feasible for most travelers” to not fly.  Not the other way around.  Anyone who flies unnecessarily, is un-American.

  • BMW Metro

    If this is truly what happens, then I suggest that one should wear some over-sized “toys” through the screener. LOL!

  • T_Weisrock

    @velvetrose15 Motivates me to keep in shape…

    • velvetrose15

      @T_Weisrock Ha ha. Actually not so funny tho, glad I don’t fly

  • AlwaysRIGHT

    One thing everyone should keep in mind – put yourself in an airline’s place.  If your airline’s plane is blown up by a terrorist, you will be sued big time.  Yet, when you pat-down your fliers, you get complaints/sued.  When you scan your fliers, you get complaints/sued.  When your plane crashes, everyone sues you – the passengers’ families, the community that your plane crashes in, everyone.  It’s no wonder they choose to scan – they’re just trying to ensure their planes aren’t hijacked and crashed into something or blown up.  Geez.  Can’t you “get” that?  Instead, you think it’s a grand plan of some sort, costing millions of dollars, and causing all kinds of inconvenience to travelers  - all to  catch a grainy b&w glimpse of you naked?  Really?  
     
    Lift your arms, face the camera, and smile – then get the F*** out of my way, you twits.  Believe it or not, it is being done for safety reasons.  You, I bet, will be first in line to sue the airlines if they should “let” a terrorist by, yet you balk at every measure they take in order to prevent it.   And you’re clueless about terrorists and hiding explosives.  How many times do I hear “oh, why do they have to search children or sleeping babies?”  hey, dumbass, if they don’t search children and babies, the terrorists will plant explosives on children or chop their own baby in half, and fill the bottom half of the baby with explosives – yeah, sick, isn’t it?  But these barbarians will do it.  They cut the heads off our soldiers, ya know?  They run their own children’s arms over with trucks – as a punishment for stealing.  And they shoot their daughters for dating a Christian.  They’d think nothing of shoving a stick of dynamite up a woman they attack in an airport and send her through security in front of them.  They’d fake a pregnant woman to carry on a bowling ball sized explosive.  They are barbarians and unless you want the plane you are flying on to be the next casualty, I suggest you shut the f***k up, allow security to do their job, and quit thinking everyone is so interested in seeing you naked!

    • itsjustme

      dude you watch too much television….you probably still believe that muslims hijacked airplanes with box cutters and flew them in to the world trade center complex and the pentagon dont you…? deluded soul. the only terorists out pounding the pavement on september 11 2001 were your own goverment, your own military and probably Zionist jews. sorry but jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel buildings and cause them to collapes. pure and simple science. 911 was an inside job…. google it!

      • StevenMarkPilling

        You’re a pretty scary guy, Itsjustme.  And if you actually believe what you’ve just said, you’re likewise insane.

        • cwpeavy

          @StevenMarkPilling Sadly, most Americans have been programmed to believe that anything that contradicts the official version is from Kookville, TN. Why not try something “novel” for a change, like looking beyond what  the alphabet networks spew out 24/7? They’re all intellectual prostitutes (including  FOX to a large degree) who’s jobs are to hide the truth with distorted misinformation. They did the same with JFK. Apparently, you are not a student of history.

        • StevenMarkPilling

          @cwpeavy
           And now on to JFK!  I supppose Atlantis and flying saucers comes next.  You blythly assume that all who don’t follow your Bilderburg thinking pattern are mind-numbed by the press.  There are those of us who can use plain logic to see through the mental turmoil.  And I am a student of history, thank you.

        • american2american

          @StevenMarkPilling Back at yah matrix dweller.  You are the fool for not being capable of facing truth just because you don’t want it to be true. itsjustme is far from alone.  I believe you are in the minority and not itsjustme.

        • american2american

          @StevenMarkPilling  @cwpeavy You are a history revisionist advocate, not historically informed but misinformed and proud of it aren’t you?  You get comfort from lying to yourself?  BTW, your entire comment is called ad hominem otherwise known as rules for radicals.  Good show matrix dweller.

      • LukeSr

        Knuckle head…no, it might not melt steel…but it will get it hot enough to weaken it and with the added weight of…ok, let’s say…a JET AIRLINER… which weighs about 200,000 lbs or 100 tons….hmm let’s see, yep, buildings COLLAPSE !!
        by the way, where did you get your engineering degree? cereal box?

        • cwpeavy

          @LukeSr Where did you get yours? WHY don’t you do some research?

        • hankos

          @cwpeavy  @LukeSr
           cw got his degree from the University of Wingnuttiaville,  Texas.

        • LukeSr

          @cwpeavy I did…where do you think my facts came form? Is that all you got? Besides its pretty much common sense…

        • american2american

          @LukeSr Why don’t you get one first?  BTW why didn’t the Empire state building go down too then?

        • LukeSr

          @american2american
          did a jet plane fly into it?

      • tombo

        Sorry Charlie, but you and all the other 9-11 conspiracy experts are wrong on this one!
        Actually you are somewhat right in that jet fuel generally can’t melt steel, although a steel supported overpass did partially melt and collapse in 2007 after a  tanker crashed and burned underneath it with 8600 gal. of gasoline which by the way doesn’t  burn quite as hot as jet fuel.  But that’s neither here nor there because no one (except you conspiracy experts) mentions anything about melted steel causing or contributing to the collapse of WTC Towers 1 and 2.  What is said is that some of the structural steel tresses and supports in the impact zone were damaged by the impact and that the structural steel tresses supporting the thousands of tons of concrete and steel flooring directly above the impact floors were further WEAKENED by the resultant fire fueled not just by jet fuel but also by the tons of interior furnishings and building materials.  This weakened structural steel at some point could not continue to support it’s designed limits which then allowed it’s supported flooring to collapse onto the floor below which then could not support this additional force and weight acting upon it, and on and on.  These facts are not only supported by structural design engineering but by COMMON SENSE!

        • LukeSr

          @tombo 
          nicely put…kinda like the domino effect but vertical instead of horizontal. I actually do know a little about design load…I’m a retired contractor. But I was so pissed over that conspiracy theory stuff that I just went into an off the cuff rant…thanks for clearing that up!!

    • moberndorf

      It’s people like this clown, NeverRIGHT, willing to trade freedom for what they have been deluded into thinking is security, that have allowed the Constitution to be shredded and the country taken to the virtual brink of totalitarianism. Hey, AlwaysWRONG, guess how many terrorists airport security has nabbed over these many years? Zero, zip, goosegg. Guess how many of THEM have been arrested for crimes, including sex crimes? Over 1500! You really need to wake up and get a life.

    • winner08

      Why is it that for Years we never had heard of a TSA person, but now with this 911 mentality we feel we need to be safe. You forget that there are no camera’s in the baggage area and what they hire could be an illegal alien. Our Freedom is being taken away. The Senators and Congress don’t fly Comericial. If they did and had to go through what the common masses do it would all change., but no they like Senator John McCain as an example have their own private Jet to fly on. It is all about crowd controll and to dominate us to submission to the will of an Individual who has a GED at best, but the theft of our baggages continue. Now that they are Unionized, if caught they cannot be fired. No control of our Border’s, but plenty of controll over the Taxpaying/paying customer.

      • winner08

        It also use to be that you could get a pillow or a blanket without charge, now you pay. What you are paying for is this TSA agent, the Scanner and to give up any liquids., so if you are thiristy you may or may not get something to drink. Gee’s we use to get a little lunch or some nuts, but no they have to cut cost and raise our Airfare. It is amazing how AirForceOne had no trouble going from Washington D.C. and all he way to Hawaii without a cancellation or delay?, but almost all of the flights had been cancelled. Could it be for the safety of the President? Who knows if a Terriost may takeover the Commericial Plane and try to crash into AirForceOne. I seriously doubt that, cause it is protected by Jet Fighters., but he never has a problem geting to where he wants to go.

      • american2american

        @winner08 Congress is exempt from the fascism they made “legal’ to subject us to. That is why the big deal when Rand Paul was not given special rights.  You know those God given rights we all used to have and must restore.

    • american2american

      You are a fool.  If it were for the purpose of safety, why don’t they include the most likely to blow the plane up?  Eh?  What is the matter with your brain?  You speak of the most likely and omit they are not being checked.  you need to wake up.  The answer is Quit Flying at all.

  • jeshua

    Last year i went through an airport with scanners on every other line. I got in a line with the scanner because it seemed to be shorter. I didn’t count on the perverted cretin that seemed to take a liking to me (I am athletic and OK looking, but i’m not using to guys coming on to me). In spite of the fact that i’d just been through the full-body scanner, he decided i needed to have a very thorough full-body pat down. The guy should have been a priest!
    I don’t understand how the TSA continues to exist considering that anti-TSA sentiment seems to run through the whole political spectrum.

    • marianne72343

      Be careful what you say about a guy coming on to you being Perverted. Seems they will throw cuffs on you for that too. Sad, sad world we are living in now. Nothing but scumbags running our country now. Gays, abortionists, legalized drugs…just anything immoral is ok.

  • Dave

    This has been going on since the machines were first developed.  I medicine some people look at the “shadows” of various parts of the body.  Do you really expect anything less than this action given the intelligence level of the normal operating Moran of the machines?  How about children detained.  The government is out to humiliate everyone and attempts to have every one dependent upon them.  Not this guy!  Not even…For me I will strip bare a$$ naked and show everything to all.  I have a right to freedom and free speech!  Idiots…complete idiots…what can they do if all of us passively resist?  Of course the legal element is a fear for most…if there are shadows then they already have seen us….any difference!  Like guns I will give it to the government one bullet at a time or in this case…one item at a time!  I might even wear dirty under ware…..does it really matter with such stupidity?

    • american2american

      we need to have the courage no doubt that you describe here.  We should not fly though. Starve the beast.  make it cost them instead of us.

  • Beth

    I opt out for the “grope”, because I don’t want exposure to unknown, uncalibrated levels of radiation, operated by uneducated personnel! I always get a female TSA agent, and so far they’ve been very professional; kind of difficult to be otherwise with the whole world at the airport watching! Something for people to consider…

  • MyronJPoltroonian

    Hmm, how about wearing a pair of Depends pre smeared with peanut butter for the gropers? O’ course, you probably risk being charged with premeditated, aggravated assault on a federal (Unionized) officer for intentionally attempting to trigger an agents peanut allergy.

    • hankos

      @MyronJPoltroonian
       I like it, ths is original.

      • MyronJPoltroonian

        @hankos With apologies to Sidney Potier: “They  call me Mr. Mold Breaker.”

  • J Joy

    Would you expect anything else from Democrat run operation??

  • JRPPP

    LindaDynes–no i was replying to a posting on this thread

  • JRPPP

    @jeshua–nothing is done about TSA  because we don’t run our gov’t in any way shape or form

  • popham

    And of course TSA  ‘agents’ are now unionized as well.  Now isn’t that special?

    • winner08

      @popham
       Why do they need to be Unionized when they work for the Government and cannot be sued? That means that they can go out and drink like those United Auto Workers and not be FIRED!

      • hankos

        @winner08  
        They need to be in the union in order to keep the liberal movement alive with dues
        .It also shows that they need representation because of their inability to think for themselves.

        • american2american

          @hankos  @winner08 and they need taxpayers to pay for it w/o consent.

  • ProudUSAVet

    At our local airport, we are made to empty our pockets, remove our shoes, jewelry, belt, and take cameras and containers of liquids out of our carry on bags.  Then we have to go thru the X-ray machine.  We went  to Israel last year.  You would expect the Israelis to be at least as strict as those TSA “inspectors.”  As we were interviewed, we were asked a total of three question:  “Did you enjoy your stay in Israel?  How long were you here?  Do you have anything to declare?  (Yes, we bought some gifts.)  Thank you, step over to the tax office and get your taxes refunded,  and have a good trip.”  The Israelis actually laugh at our TSA people, who screen 80 yr old women and I heard that they really went after an 8 yr old girl in a wheelchair.

  • Nemo588

    This is part of Obama’s new SS…

    • stormtrooper1991

      @Nemo588
       Seig Heil !

  • gypsy314

    Thanks brother but the heat is on all hell will be sliding fast and no time for details. When riots start be prepared to move on the unite to make things right.

  • catmando

    You mean that there are people who actually believe the BS that TSA puts out about the scans???? I didn’t know there were such lemmings out there. But, then again, there are lots of things I don’t know……………

  • LeonardW Giddens Jr

    This is what folk asked for. Scumbags on parade. Fruit loops in little girls dressing rooms, claiming to think they are female, setting on the bench with tally wacky dangling in the breeze, an administration that sanction this kind of slime and it is getting worse by the day. The thing is we have too many people that are on the take and they don’t care what happens to our country as long as the free bees keep rolling in. What a nation full of low life.

  • MontanaMEL

    And you wonder why many of us US CITIZENS won’t fly any “commercial” air carrier within the USA??? eh?
    EVERYONE…look up “AIR TAXI” in your phone book…it doens’t have to be a jet – you can get/use single engine too!!
    Take that “private” aircraft to “north of the border, or even south…then, board your flight from Canada to ????…
    At least you don’t have to put up with these GED zombies and their antic’s… or, their “magic fingers” on/in you, eh?..

  • ezekiel33

    when I was in San Francisco at the airport eating at a restaurant near the full body scanners I noticed the TSA agents letting go unattractive women but almost every attractive women they would put in the full body scanner

    • JohnHand

      @ezekiel33 Yes, and fat women have more place to hide those weapons of mass destruction.

  • winner08

    What difference does it make? If that is all they got to do, is to amuze themselves it is time for them to grow up.

  • misterbadex

    i went through O’Hare’s scanner last month on my way to vegas. i guess they have the newer machines, i was coming down with a cold and had 2 packets of 2 cold tablets in one of my jean pockets. i was stopped, then a screen was rotated, showing a few spots in my pocket, where i extracted the cold pills. the TSA guy patted my pocket down after i extracted my pills, was happy my pocket was empty and was let on my way. i was surprised that it saw a few cold pills, and the image was “generic” and not “nude” on the screen.
     
    i’m quite impressed with the new technology. i can live with this, providing we aren’t getting nuked with excess radiation.

    • american2american

      @misterbadex What it is you have decided you can live with is a loss of liberty replaced with abject slavery and fascism.  I cannot live with that and will fight it to my death.

  • WereAllScrewed

    Too bad so sad for the Airline Industry, they won’t get my money anymore, I drive wherever I have to go now!

    • mclark4430

      @WereAllScrewed You should change your screen name. It is vulgar.

      • gypsy314

        @mclark4430  @WereAllScrewed Just like a liberal fool to put there two cents were they have no business putting it.

        • RomyMon

          @gypsy314 @mclark4430 @WereAllScrewed—you mean “their two cents” and not “there”, don’t you? THERE is directional and THEIR is possesive as in “the two cents are THEIRS.

  • willyt

    This blog could have been written by Michael Moore.

  • futurelife

    and WE ALL know these men and women are a bunch of thieves and sickos.  That is why they do that kind of job, to be able to touch and play with you without any police actions.

  • JRPPP

    @wiiner08 re AMTRAK…the “cabin” or roomette is very roomy for 2 as it seats 4 and has a pull out table for cards or paperwork. Sleeping is bumpy and the upper bunk is cramped and hard to access, so i have started sleeping slumped over like in coach. Coach is usually 1/2 full off-season when i would go and $$100-200 and you can sit anywhere despit assigned seats unless almost full, so you can get away from loud, fat or smelly people but you take a chance. Roomettes are about 3-4X coach BUT incl. 3 meals a day. I get 5 meals going from WI to Spokane. For any accommodations you can go to a comfortable lounge car with table or chairs with small end tables for drinks, which you can purchase at a reasonable price-beer, wine, a few hard liquor choices..the dining car has decent food with fish, meat and veggie choices. The (unionized) employees are pleasant vrs the air cop attendants, but are a big part of the subsidy the conservatives complain about. You can walk up and down the cars for exercise and outside at rare longer stops. EVEN IN COACH THE LEG ROOM IS ALL YOU COULD WANT. You bring for unsearched bags on with you or check it as you choose. If onboard they are more secure in a roomette. It takes about 48 hours to go Chic. to Portland/Seattle on Empire Bld. for ex. All buit one i talked would not go back to air.

    • JohnHand

      @JRPPP  @wiiner08 Every movie I have ever seen about a train ride, there is always a lovely woman to meet onboard. Is that still true, or was that propaganda? Hee hee.

  • novi

    Unfortunately, in my work, I have to fly.  If I’m within a six hour drive, I do so; but otherwise have to fly.  I opt out of the body scanner every time.  For one thing, I’ve had quite enough radiation laying on a beam radiation table, but the primary issue is one of principle.  The fact is that if every American “opted out”, they would have to scrap these hideous devised now.  I fly about ten times a year and in the last three years have only seen one other person actually opt out of the scanner.  Neither the thirty or forty people in front of me, nor the ones coming through behind me, while I’m being to wait, ever take my cue and also opt out.  In Indianapolis, TSA has even posted a sign where the line forms telling you what a statistical odd ball you are if you “opt out”.  When I say “I’m opting out”, at any airport, they always look at me like I’m the only person who has ever done so, and tell me to “stand there”.  It appears to be policy to allow the “opt out” to stew for a while before an agent “finally” becomes available to do the pat down.  No sweat, I always arrive at the airport in plenty of time for the ordeal. 
     
    It should be obvious to everyone that the TSA procedures have zero to do with security and all to do with training the population to blindly obey uniformed government authority figures.
     
    On a recent trip; as I opted out, again to the dismay of the TSA agent; the idiot in a suit and tie behind took the opportunity to say to the agent:  “I on the other hand want to thank you and the government for doing such a great job of keeping us all safe.”   I wanted to barf.  Well, there you have it; we have the government we deserve because by in large the populace is ignorant of history, unappreciative of liberty, and just downright stupid.  As for me I’ll continue to opt out every time.  Please join me.

    • JRPPP

      @novi yes, this has EVERYTHING to do with blindly following gov’t orders..the DHS insiders asay that TSA will have vastly expanded role under martial law after $$ collapse

    • The Phantom

      @novi Amen

    • Plancksize

      @novi I’m completely with you! Every opportunity, I tell agents that it’s all about the 4th Amendment. Plus, it’s my small way of protesting the naked body scanner and making it inconvenient for the TSA personnel. They always ask if I want a private screening, I always tell them that I want EVERYONE to see what they’re doing. Ben Franklin famously said that if we trade liberty for security, then we deserve neither.

      • Don DeHoff

        @Plancksize  @novi
         Sir, you say the searchs are “unreasonable”. Have you come up with what is “reasonable”, knowing that the terrorists use children, women, old people and families to carry their bombs? I suspect, if a bomb exploded on an airplane and  you lost a loved one, you would be amoung the first ones to sue the airlines, even though they said it was your “relaxed standards” that permitted the bomb to be on board. And don’t point out Israelis  success in that many of our airports move more people in one day than they do in months. Also, they have developed a “6th sense”, in their screening process, which we may or may not be able to develope—”they” have been at this for eons.  And, don’t use the “we have never detected a bomb carrier” before they got on board—that is trying to prove a negative—perhaps we stopped a dozen,  hundreds or more—we will never know. To do what you think to be “reasonable”, would force the airlines out of business—then the terrorist’s efforts would be directed towards the trains and buses and perhaps even private vehicles. I am sure the TSA Department would reward anyone handsomely  for coming up with an effective “reasonable” search.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @Plancksize  @novi
           NO searches by any wannabe cops are REASONABLE.  I would rather take the risks than suffer the loss of freedom that cowardly fools such as you advocate.  Not selfish, just a REAL American….not a cowardly liberal!

  • USPatriotOne

    This the continues agenda of the liberal/communist left to training Americans to be ready when the TSA/DHS show up at your front door, first to take your guns, them to take you and your family to a re-education camp (Fema Camp)!  Go listen to “The Patriot Report” on webtalkradio and Please, Please go donate at the web site “thepatriotreport.org” or they will be going off the air soon.  This show has been fighting for us Patriots and Americans and to protect the U.S. Constitution but almost no one is donating.  What the heck is wrong with you people…Americans donate to cr*p causes (millions of dollars) but won’t donate to Dr. Williams show that really trying to do some good!  Go donate today, PLEASE!

  • ArchieMontgomery

    Having operated the scanner pat down machines as part of my duties in U. S. Customs – long before TSA had them – and having been scanned and photographed and still have the photograph, I have some real experience in the field.
     
    The scans are quite devoid of prurient material.  Frankly, as a heterosexual male of over 60 years and three wives, the Victoria Secrets catalog is far more stimulating. Having seen the training manual with images of women, I find the fully dressed woman far more interesting, even just to look.
     
    The same personality and emotional types who would find the scanner images titillating would likewise be as excited by people walking by. 
     
    TSA has been in operation for some nine years now.  I worked with many of them when I worked as a Customs Officer in Los Angeles, Ca.  Many of them transferred to Customs (and Border Protection) quickly and became good officers.  Most of the ones who remained in TSA did the best job they knew to do. 
     
    However, it is past time for the Department of Homeland Security to take the job of TSA seriously.  When I retired, there was no formal, nationwide training program for TSA new hires.  Training needs to be addressed at the Headquarters level.  TSA also needs to have tighter entry requirements and all TSA agents should be armed – just like all other federal law enforcement. 
     
    But for this website and organization to print silly ‘exposes’ like this one – devoid of actual information – is simple yellow journalism.  You are not “Liberalism’s worst nightmare”, you are the goobers who make conservatives looks ignorant.

    • Don DeHoff

      @ArchieMontgomery
       Without a doubt, hands down, the best post of the year on this subject. Thanks, The “dregs of society” are not the TSA peronnel,  the “dregs” are amoung those making such, perhaps well intended, but ignorant remarks. And by ignorant, I only mean, “not knowing the facts”—also keep in mind, we all are on occasion, “ignorant: on some subjects. The problem is, when  “truth and facts”: are presented, all too many ignore “it” in that they don’t want to be identified as one of the possible  “dregs”.

    • RomyMon

      @ArchieMontgomery Well said!  I hope this shuts them all up!

      • american2american

        @RomyMon  @ArchieMontgomery Shuts them up?  first amendment

        • Don DeHoff

          @american2american  @RomyMon  @ArchieMontgomery
           Come on, “shut them up” as they have nothing valid to say, not because of their right to say anything—you sir, are a trouble maker, where there are no troubles.

    • american2american

      @ArchieMontgomery You think this article makes conservatives look ignorant and I think your comment makes you obviously ignorant of the constitution.  Arm the TSA agents?  Why? So yet one more group of sick individuals has the ability to murder the disarmed? Why not stop abusing the second amendment?  You are a jerk.  I don’t believe you condone the IRS being armed to go to our homes and raid them and threaten perhaps carry out that threat of taking one’s life and you support it.  You are as sick as the rest of them.  Read the bill of rights and the constitution and your state constitution before you say another word about others looking ignorant.  You are wrong.

  • Janice

    So, what can you do about it?  You have no choice in order to get to your gate.

    • RomyMon

      @Janice Grin and bear it! Let’s face it, after 9/11 flying is no longer safe, and for as long as there are Muslims in this world, it will remain unsafe. TSA is here to stay. If people don’t want to be searched or scanned, don’t take the plane. Simple as that!

      • american2american

        @RomyMon  @Janice RomyMon are you that easily convinced?  You believe TSA is needed?  For what? They target the wrong people!  and Janice, you do have a choice!  Don’t fly!  Nobody who loves the American Liberty ideology should fly, ever.

      • JohnHand

        @RomyMon  @Janice Good thing Obama has his own plane, otherwise he would be profiled….

      • JackNapper

        @RomyMon  @Janice
         I pray that you are wrong….TSA, like Obama, MUST go!  ANYONE who violates our liberty is an enemy of the US Constitution.  Doesn’t matter why they do it, it’s wrong.  Those who give up liberty in exchange for safety deserve neither!

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @RomyMon  @Janice
           Jack, are you sayng you are willing to have a “few” airplanes blown up in return for not being searched or scanned? Also, I will wager a single new two-dollar bill that 80-90 percent of those TSA complaints occured in the early days when the TSA had to set the program up almost over night. Now, they have many highly educated and  qualified people on board and have established proceedure and guidlines to prevent the very issues most people are complaining about.  You surely don’t think they would continually permit activities that could “put them out of business”.  I saw one complaint wherein it was idicated that the “scan” revealed “pubic hair” or the absence thereof and breast implants. Due to a serious airplane accident many years ago, I have received many head x-ray scans. Not once have I seen any “hair” on my x-rays. Also, from the scans I have seen, one can not identify the actual person that was scanned.  And,  breast implants should be identified as they could involve a bomb. We have concrete evidence that the terrorists have hidden explosives both in body caviities and surgically. While still perhps far from perfect, the TSA has come a long way. I suspect we have “plants” whose comments are designed to further divide the citizens and then we have many who  repeat hearsay and innuendo, which makes them unwitting and unpaid partners  with those who are trying to divide us. Everyone who has or wants to comment, must reflect and determine if their information is accurate or merely hearsay and is it a reflection of the current state of affairs. I suspect such an analysis will reduce comments considerably, perhaps the majority.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @RomyMon  @Janice
           I agree that there probably ARE government  “plants” who are acting to divide people…especially with the current regime.  And while I don’t necessarily wish to have a “few” (your word, not mine) planes blow up, if THAT’S price of freedom, so be it.  TSA, regardless of who started it or why or whatever it’s growing pains or how “far” they’ve come, are STILL an impediment to our freedom.  As long as TSA exists, freedom loses.

      • Don DeHoff

        @RomyMon  @Janice
         Come on Romy, if the terrorists manage to close down or even curtail  our airlines, don’t you think they then would be redirecting their efforts to our rail, bus and highway systems? Just how many bridges do you think we have that cross the Mississippi and Ohio  Rivers. We must stop the terrorist, period.

    • William Wallace

      Don’t fly if possible.  I drive everywhere now for most conferences, including Vegas, Sacramento, and everywhere else that is feasible.  Only if it is cross country or out of the country do I fly, and I give the TSA agents nothing to work with by wearing a tank top and jogging pants.

      • JohnHand

        @William Wallace Aaaa, mystified here. You give the agents nothing to work with by wearing a tank top and jogging pants? And under there, you look different then other people who are being revealed?

        • William Wallace

          @JohnHand No, it just gives them less to mess with like make you unbutton your shirts or take off a jacket or go through your pockets or anything else they can do to make you uncomfortable.

  • muppet

    As for racial profiling…if I were traveling in a country that was currently experiencing a series of terrorist attacks by causasian  American christians, I would not be offended in the least as I was targeted for questioning at every checkpoint.  In fact, I would feel more secure. 
     
    In fact, for anyone offended by “racial profiling,” I give you this number to call:  1-800-BOO-HOO

  • William Wallace

    Stop flying, drive if possible, file as many complaints as necessary if you are violated.  These TSA clowns need to be put out of business, and possibly in jail.

    • american2american

      @William Wallace That’s my solution too.  Stop flying. Why do people continue to fly when it isn’t necessary and when is it necessary to fly anyway?  Never.  To take them down you starve the beast.,

      • William Wallace

        @american2american Who is John Galt?

      • JohnHand

        @american2american  @William Wallace A well known automotive writer, whose name I forget now, said once upon a time.  “If you absolutely MUST get somewhere, DRIVE.”  I believed him then, and still do.

      • Don DeHoff

        @american2american  @William WallaceSir, we all now  live in a global community and in our capitialist country, “time is money”. And while many countries are smaller than our states, it is essential that we travel by plane and a goodly portion of air travel involves commerce and our old fashioned “air-mail”. And of course we cannot forget both the state and federal legislators, who fly to and from work on a regualr basis, or young “Bill or Mary” who are in the military stationed in Caliofornia, but whose home town is on the East Coast–are they supposed to drive or take a train when going on leave. How about the mudane, like roses being shipped all over the world in the baggage compartmets of those airliners or fresh produce 8 months out of the year going to to Alaska.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @american2american  @William Wallace
           
          Don you are wrong again. It is NOT essential we fly. Flying is a  convenience!
           
          Flying on an airplane, riding a train or driving a car are privileges, NOT covered under the Constitution.
           
          We have a right to free speech, own a weapon, be secure in our persons and property.
           
          The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution.
           
          I suggest you learn the differences between what are RIGHTS and what are privileges.

        • JackNapper

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff  @american2american  @William Wallace
           Well said, Mr. VeeDub.  But, like I’ve already said, I believe you’re wasting your efforts on folks like him…..folks who just WON’T understand that NO compromise is possible with the liberal Fuhrer and his evil minions.

  • VeeDub

    I reccomend all females wear a burka and veil.  Pretend to be a muslim for a few minutes like they pretend to be “peaceful” every day.

    • RomyMon

      @VeeDub Great idea!  Because of political correctness and the fear of offending the members of the religion of peace and brotherhood, this will work like a charm each time.  Tip to the women who will wear the burka:  Say “Al Salaam Alykum” to the TSA agent which means “peace be with you”, but actually you are telling him or her: “Piss on you!” LOL!

    • William Wallace

      @VeeDub I think everyone should wear a bhurka and pretend to be a Muslim.  See how long it takes for the TSA to realize they can’t “profile” anyone and then they would have no more work to do so the agency would have to be disbanded.

  • JRPPP

    @Janice–read comments aon how Israel does not do thi snonsense with much more threat–thi is all about getting used to the ZPolice State

  • TxLady2012

    You do not have to go into the scanner. You have the option of the pat down and wand process. I never go into the scanner. Two doctors have told me that if the machines are not maintained properly, they can be dangerous. I don’t trust these people to maintain the machines. I fly a lot and have never had a problem with TSA when I refuse the machine.

  • JRPPP

    Archie–refreshing objectivity, thanks—My main objection still remains: The Police State motive behind suspension of the Fourth Amendment

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP
       “JR….,” you are in effect saying those inspections/examintions are “unreasonable”. Ok, you have a right to your opinion. However, I would suggest you then are obligated to bring forth a conceipt or idea, that will preclude or reduce the possibility of someone blowng up an airplane, with hundreds of people on board——We all are waiting! I would suggest, as a starting point, you review the “terrorist” issue, in depth and find a way to convence millions of foreigners that their religion is “wrong”

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
         
        Don:   Is your defense of the TSA and their perverted actions because you work for them and are protecting your job?
         
        Many play the race card to scare people out of doing what is right.
         
        You are among those who play the fear card, to justify violating one’s RIGHTS, and encourage we give up freedom for security.
         
        We were warned about your ilk.  “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~  Benjamin Franklin

  • RonSmith1

    I wont fly any more.  Would rather die in a fiery crash than have these idiots searching and scanning me.

    • Don DeHoff

      @RonSmith1Come on Ron, there is a real world out there. With that attitude, I can just visualize you as a recruit in the military in an open-bay barracks with a community shower that would hold a dozen or so recruits  at a time—-don’t drop the soap, as you would be in for all kinds of “jesting” with some “serious” stuff. Would you tolerate the TSA “searching and scanning “others, and hope they find all of the “bad stuff”?

      • JohnHand

        @Don DeHoff  @RonSmith1 Yeah, especially in Obama’s new army of gays.

      • JackNapper

        @Don DeHoff  @RonSmith1
         4th Amendment.  I don’t care why they do it….I don’t like even the idea of being searched by anyone.  Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           Your “equation”  involves hundreds of other people!, not just your “selfish self”. What pray tell do you do when you get a full  physical? Also, do you limit the doctor’s exam for your spouse and children?—many such “thorough ” exams have detected life threatening problems, when caught early, prevented deaths. Mosrt doctors say something to the effect, “when you have seen one, you have seen them all”—and I suspect that is “ditto” for most x-ray technicians.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           You, Mr. DeHoff, really ARE special kind of stupid, aren’t you?  What “equation” are you referring to? How in God’s name can you compare a doctor’s exam with a bunch of low-life wannabe cops?  And there’s nothing “selfish” about it.  TSA not only does NOT have a right to exist, but as Ben Franklin said, “those who will sacrifice liberty for safety are worthy of neither.”  ANYTHING which violates the 4th Amendment is an enemy of the constitution I took an oath to protect.  I highly suspect, Mr. DeHoff, that you are not only a liberal idiot but are also one of the cowards that Mr. Franklin was talking about.  Freedom isn’t free; and if your spouse and children have any respect for you it is very much misplaced – since you obviously believe that TSA is a good thing.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @RonSmith1Jack, your back alley gutter talk leads me to believe you have an unspoken agenda.  Most people know how to communicate in a civil and cordial manner.  The “equation” of which I was speaking, was and is “your line of reasoning”. We have a major problem, and most of the posts make reference to  problems that occured during the TSA’s formative years, when they were without adequate guidlines, and hastily hired agents. I think you will agree that with the globlal eonomy, air travel is a necessity and we do have at least one “element” that attempts to destroy commercial airplanes. Your approach indicates it is OK to lose a plane or two, or more,  but don’t do anything tht affects one’s  personal self. Surely  the TSA and the entire country would welcome sound ideas that permit air travel to continue in a safe manner. And quit hiding behind “BF”. He is one of my favorite people, but I am sure he would seriously quarrel with your line of reasoning. I am a staunch Republican and a constitutionalist, but I have learned long ago that one cannot just read our Constitution and come away with any sense of knowledge as to what it is all about. In about a dozen places it clearl;y states that both congress and the states must draft legislation to impliment the provisions  of the document. Then, we have the resulting reams upon reams of both federal and state laws that try to put the provisions of the constitution into perspective, with varying degrees of success. Added to all of that, the  courts have added their decisions as to what their opinions are  and the now existing “case law”, is also voluminous. So, when you tell me yuou know what the Constitution states and means, your ignorance is showing and by that word, I only mean you don’t  have the facts.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @RonSmith1
           I have read through my replies to your spurious defense of TSA.  Nowhere do I find any “back alley gutter talk.”  I “hide behind” no man….and you may well be a RINO, but the TSA and it’s wannabe cops were, are, and will always be useless to the traveling public because they are a stopgap measure.  You sound as if you believe that the US Constitution needs to be interpreted…..it is VERY clear to all who are literate in the English language.  Benjamin Franklin would probably also call you a coward…..
          Facts, I welcome….but I seriously doubt if YOU or anyone who supports violation of the 4th Amendment are in possession of any more facts than I.I replied to you not because I have any thought toward changing your obviously closed mind, but because I (and any other adult who not only values freedom, but has also fought for it – again, something anyone who talks like you do probably hasn’t ) am strongly opposed to ANYONE who believes in ANYTHING that infringes on freedom.  And, yes, I proudly would rather die free than to live as a slave….particularly to the current regime.  You know, the one YOU are stupid enough to think will EVER do anything in a “reasonable” manner. 
          Tyranny, by the cowardly masses or Osama’s (mispelling deliberate) ruling junta, is NOT to be tolerated.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           Jack, we obviously are not on the same “wave length”. . I consider the following, backalley, gutter talk.: “Special kind of stupid”, wannabe cops, liberal idiot, coward (3 times), RINO, illiterate in the English language, closed mind, stupid (3 times), voted straight Democrat ticket, paranoid, lunacy, us (you) adult humans. I have found that frequently people engaged in this kiind of “mental masturbation”, do so, to cover the fact that they know not of what they speak. I see you freguently have many good things to say but your good  information often gets lost in the gutter (my definition). I have also found there are at least two catagories of this trash communication process. The first is  the paid or loyal administration followers who intentionally communicate in this fashon just to distract the readers from the real issues at hand. Then, there are those who unwittingly participate in their  game of mental masturbation as they think doing so makes them important or it is “cute”.  For the record, I agree the 4th Amendment and many others are being trashed, but your communiation process surely does not assist us in setting the record straight.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @RonSmith1
           I’ll keep it simple for you.  There can be NO “communication process” involved here.  ANY compromise of the Constitution is wrong. Period. I’d tell you what to do with your definition but since it would probabaly be censored (as well as being physically impossible) I’ll refrain.  I also take direct issue with you on what you define as “gutter talk”:  ALL of those things are true descriptions of ANYONE who claims to be an adult human – yet can think up ANYTHING good to say about TSA….I fought and bled for my freedoms and I refuse to compromise with ANYONE who in ANY way wants to interfere with them.  Period.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           Jack, we are still at it. The Constitution, from “day one”, is a massive interpretive compromise, due to the simple fact mere humans must interpret it and provide the implimenting  legislation and court decisions. The Constitution and all of its supporting legislation and court decisions would probably fill a boxcar. and “they” keep adding to the problem every year. Jack, I will leave it up to the other readers and commenters as to whethe or not you launguage is “gutter talk” Perhaps the word “civil”, would better appeal to you.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           
          Don your method of “reasoning” is (part of) your problem.
           
          You cannot equate a medical x-ray, with body screeners. They are not the same.  They do not show the same things, do not work the same way, and differ greatly on intended purpose.
           
          You cannot equate a private doctor’s exam (even OB exams) covered by doctor/patient confidentiality, with a “stranger” “working” for the government scrutinizing your wife’s privates. They are not the same.
           
          Obviously, in your mind, you are not able to separate essential things from things that are unconstitutional, personally invasive and can be done differently.
           
          If you were my wife’s OB doctor I would have no problem with you seeing anything needed to do your job. If you were a TSA agent (a distinct possibility considering your ardent defense of them) I would have a problem with you seeing anything under her clothes.
           
          The Constitution outlines our various RIGHTS to privacy and being secure in our persons and effects.  Perhaps you can show us in the Constitution where the government has the right to arbitrarily violate those RIGHTS with out having to articulate just probable cause.

        • JackNapper

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff  @RonSmith1
           Well said, VeeDub.  However, Mr. DeHoff has already informed me that he agrees with der Fuhrer; that the Constitution is still a work in progress, so to speak……therefore his mind is closed to simply leaving the basic law of our land the way it is.  I’ve been as “civil” as an old Army sergeant can on this issue.  Time to stop worrying about fools and their political correctness…..NO violation of liberty…..for ANY reason!

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           Sir, a lot of what you say is well on point, but I see not one constructive suggestion on how to eliminate the bomb threats. To stop flying in this modern- day global economy is not realistic. Likewise, the “invasion of privacy” issues also does not hold water. This problem is so serious that we have what can be called a “limited in scope” form of martial law, wherein ceretain liberties have to be curtailed for the time being. As we gain more expertiise, I am sure procedures will be modified—however, right now, the safety of an airliner full of passengers is of far greater importance than someone seeing and  x-ray of what you have or don’t have. And again, while we may still have a few  perverts in the system, most now are ordinary citizens like you and me, many now with degrees, and advanced degree (due to the poor job markets). Also, I still maintain most, perhaps 80%, of the cited problems are merely  oft-repeated hearsay stories from “yesteryear” that resulted from a major department being formed almost over night without adequate guidlines and personnel standards. Ask for their “rule books”: I think you will be both surprised and pleased.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub  @RonSmith1
           The only “surprise” that will “please” me will be the end of this evil and unneccessary organization.  
           
          Air travel is NOT right, regardless of any economic reasons you may dream up.  If a terrorist decides to blow up a plane, they can and will succeed, regardless of you and your “limited scope””martial law.” 
           
          I don’t care who sees me, you, or anyone else’s “private parts.”  I object for two reasons (and your spurious support of TSA does not “hold water.”):  1) I refuse to knowingly allow the federal government to expose me to ANY amount of radiation or to place hands on me. 2) As I’ve said before, “an airliner full of passengers” is NOT of importance compared to ANY loss of liberty….to even THINK like that is an insult to me and every other veteran who has served this country.   If you actually would give up even a “little” freedom, even “temporarily,” you are perilously close to treason…..
           
          And I don’t care if this is politically correct enough for you…..nor do I care about whether TSA has evolved or not, its very existence is an insult.   Constructive suggestion to end bombing of planes?  Arm everyone, openly.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           Don;  I gave you solutions, you didn’t see them, or chose to ignore them.  We have the technology for equipment to “sniff” out explosives.  It’s used in the White House, Capitol, UN and most major government structures.
           
          Your ONLY answer is to continue to violate the rights of everyone, except muslim women (why are they excluded?) instead of finding REAL solutions.
           
          You have NO way of proving  what any percentage of TSA employess are.  Perverts or Christians, nobody knows!  Your continued defense of them speaks volumes about you and your agenda.
           
          Are you seriously suggesting martial law, to take away all rights of American citizens, is preferential to profiling those who come from the known terrorist community and supporters?
           
          Those of your ilk CHOOSE to see a limited scope of solutions, even if those “solutions” don’t include doing anything to protect American lives.  Even the TSA’s own reports prove they FAIL to catch many of the security threats.  Oh they get to look at all the pretty women, feel up kids in diapers and make women in wheel chairs strip, but knives and other things get through just fine.
           
          TSA failure:  25,000 airport security breaches since 2001  http://www.naturalnews.com/033009_airports_security_breaches.html#ixzz2GYzs5qWJ

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper  @RonSmith1
           
          Allright Don, let’s use YOUR “logic”.  Planes have been bombed and hijacked, so everybody should be fine with being searched and having their rights violated.
           
          Using that “logic”, these unlawful body cavity searches on the side of the road would be acceptable any time an officer wants to, because people are killed with cars.
           
          http://conservativevideos.com/2012/12/women-given-body-cavity-search-during-routine-traffic-stop/
           
          That is the only conclusion any intelligent person could come to using YOUR logic as YOU wrote it here.

  • JohnHand

    When they ‘see’ an image of a woman under her clothes, they are not really seeing the REAL woman. If she is wearing  bra, and most are, they are possibly seeing the uplifted artificial image of the woman in their scanner. She MIGHT look like the image they see, if she is young and very firm, but in most cases…..

    • VeeDub

      @JohnHand   That response is wrong on so many levels.  The images clearly depict the size of nipples, aerola, and any piercings.  They can show whether a person’s pelvic region is shaved or bushy.  It can tell if the women have breast implants.  It divulges more than any person has a right to see other than the spouse or doctor.  It is porn plain and simple.
       
      A U.S. Marshal in a Florida Federal courthouse recently revealed 35,000 full body scanner images which he had stored despite official claims that the images are not being preserved.  Of these images, 100 were leaked online by Gizmodo.com on November 16, 2010.
       
      Are you saying you have no problem with these revealing images of your wife, daughter or yourself ending up on the internet?

      • Don DeHoff

        @VeeDub  @JohnHand
         “Vee…, Most all of these incidents being reported happened in the earlier years after the TSA was formed and untrained.  They now have signicant “rules and proceedures” that minimize the previous problems. I  cannot refute your comment about being able to detect pubic hair, but  due to an aircraft accident many years ago, I have undrgone dozens of head x-rays and I don’t ever recall seeing my “hair”, at least in any detail. And like most people, I do not see where you offer any concrete suggestions, other than to “stop”. I doubt we will hear even  a “peep” out of you when the next airline is blown up, due to relaxed standards. You acknoledge the x-rays can detect breast implants—-what if that implant is a bomb? We already have reports of sugical implanted bombs—and I think one would have to agree that such a bomb’s “location” could not  be determined after it exploded. I am sure the TSA is “weeding out” those very people who could be cause of their demise as a functioning department.However,  I think it is only fair to ask them what they are doing about the “peeping Toms”. I suspect they have the answers.  I noted on a flight some time ago, the TSA agent requested we passangers remove our shoes, belts, billfolds, watches, etc. The several GIs were the first to comply and get in line—-they knew the dangers of letting just anyone fly. Perhaps the TSA agents, for additional  privacy, can “mask” the head of  x-rayed persons, once it is determined they have no explosives “above the neck-line”. I suspect we have many people out there that have a misguided “preception” about the human body, especially when many lives are at stake.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JohnHand
          1st;  If it’s so vitally important that we have random screenings, why are muslim women totally excluded?  Double standard? YES!  Discrimination for a peoples, is still discrimination.  If we’re looking for which peoples have been responsible for every hijacking and bombing in recent history than there is no logical way any muslim male or female should be excluded.  Fix that and I won’t complain near as much.
           
          2nd;  The Xray technology used by the TSA is so much more advanced than what was out there years ago.  It can and does show more than they need to see.  It ain’t what your doctor uses.
           
          3rd;  Why screen the body, when you can screen for metals and explosives without violating anybody’s privacy?  We have the technology!  Try slipping a firecracker into the White House.  The alarms will go off instantly.
           
          4th; Why are there male screeners viewing women?  Why are women screening men?  Perverts and sodomites are running the TSA and the country.  Fix that and I won’t complain about it near as much.
           
          5th;  The scariest thing of all is that anyone still believes their government can or will protect them.  Benghazi?  Fast and Furious?  Felons running back and forth across the border?  Is anyone still so ignorant of what our government is (or is not) doing that they still have any faith or trust in their integrity?
           
          6th;  Yeah I’ll scream the next time a plane is hijacked or blown up by muslims.  I’ll scream that once again political correctness has prevented our liberal/socialist/democrat government from doing their job.  If I wanted to slip a bomb or weapon on a plane I’d have my wife throw on a burka and veil and hide it in there.
           
          There’s two fixes for you, that would cost nothing extra and eliminate perversion while providing even greater security.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub  @JohnHand
           As I’ve already stated, Mr. DeHoff, you really ARE a special kind of stupid!  You probably voted Demoncrat straight ticket!  Bottom line, at the very least, is that TSA is absolutely worthless. At best, it provides employment for people who are otherwise incapable of doing anything else. Only the most paranoid and cowardly of people believe that all of this “security check” nonsense is actually of any use.  Those of you idiots that fear “the next aircraft bombing” should just NEVER fly….YOUR lunacy and YOUR intrusive government make life more difficult for us adult humans.

  • Tim Sullivan

    Liberalism’s Worst Nightmare? That’s laughable. I can assure you, you folks at Last Resistance, that liberals find the TSA’s antics as detestable, abhorrent, repugnant, etc. as most other Americans. Don’t make this a liberal-conservative thing. Liberals are just as concerned about the degradation of our civil and privacy rights as anyone else.

    • VeeDub

      @Tim Sullivan
      The erosion of most of our rights began in the 60′s when liberal/progressive/socialists began taking over what is now the socialist/democrat party.
       
      Every liberal agenda that has nipped at the rights of others to further the goals of the liberal left, have been welcomed and pushed by those on the left.
       
      Those liberal/socialist/progressives, both then and now, refuse to see it is YOUR actions that have resulted in this.  By giving in on this agenda or that agenda and demanding the conservatives do it YOUR way, you have bit by bit, and piece by piece destroyed the Constitution, and empowered the socialists running the former democrat party to take even more. 
       
      Give ‘em and inch, and they’ll take a mile.  Ever hear that one?  We warned you, so don’t cry about what you’ve done.

    • JackNapper

      @Tim Sullivan
       I don’t believe you.  If “Liberals are just as concerned about the degradation our civil and privacy rights” then how in the name of God can they possibly be liberals?  Why did these idiots reelect that scum that is fouling the White House?

  • toosmarttovoteGOP

    This has been going on since the machines were introduced, yet the liberals making the complaint were derided by conservatives over the matter. What made you FRWNJs change your tune?

  • JRPPP

    @LukeSr–go ahead and laugh Luke; I say Martial Law by the end of 2013; maybe as early as this spring if the $$ finally falls at a more rapid pace than say 15% per year…After indef. detention, no warrants for searches, and massive election fraud, the score is C-Nuts 12 and Sheeple ZERO! The libs that say they fought this stuff during Bush Fascism are as correct as those Fighting O Communism. It is not an R vrs Dem thing for along time..the poodle press and the R’s are afraid to speak out about anything but taxes, spending and the Cliff hoax–we are WAY over the cliff and the econ. collapse the EXTEMISTS told you about will lead to loss of ALL freedoms we haven’t lost–an NAU by 2015 (old target was 2000).  Whistleblowers tell us that TSA will have a vastly expanded role in the final takedown, so “getting used to it” at airports is the issue–not the scanners

    • LukeSr

      @JRPPP 
      You got the wrong guy, JRPPP…, I’m not laughing one bit. My eyes are wide open. I know what’s up…I just don’t go along with all this conspiracy theory stuff, though. Terrorist hate Americans! Yes, and they are among us too. But I don’t believe 9-11 was inside job…that’s just plain paranoia.
      However, I do agree with you about the economy. We were past the point of no return some time ago. And if you look at the attack on religious freedom you will see the evidence that supports the possible loss of ALL freedoms somewhere down the road…maybe sooner than we think. But I am an eternal optimist. I think there is time to fix this mess because we are Americans. And I believe that God is ultimately in control. I don’t sit up at night worrying about it. I’m trying to do my part in making things better for our kids.

  • JRPPP

    HAHA @JOHNHAND! No, no lovely woman on AMTRAK unless i brought her along!!

  • JRPPP

    @John HAND–not only does O have his own plane, but so does the dog because Muslims can’t have a dog in the home?

  • JRPPP

    @Tom Sull.they DIDN’T reelect him–there was massive vote fraud in all the swing states incl. 100-140% vote fraud–R’s are to scared of the dictator to say anything

    • winner08

      @JRPPP  @Tom
       No I belive that this Nation is so messed up that we have to allow these radicals to go foward with their agenda to oust them latter. It is called De-construction!

  • JRPPP

    @Dehoff–1) allow profiling and get rid of reverse profiling (2) use metal detectors (3) have airlines do the security and not the Nazi-communists (3) get rid of expansion of highway stops (4) have better security BEFORE the TSA searches–it is easy to overrun them
    Some here say Israeli’s don’t do all of this and are under greater threat–the major muslim threat is our dictator, not that we have antagonized Arabs like my guy RP mistakenly thinks. Security experts say the next bombings from Muslims will not be where we are looking, but will be Vegas Hotels or shopping malls etc. where Cheney will not be doing false flag operations nor CIA finding LONE, loser, failures to do shootings

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR, the bad guys quit using metal in their bombs eons ago. Agree on the highway stops Your No. 4 needs clarification. Israel is about the size of some of our smallest states and cannot be used as a viable “yardstick”. We have several; airports that move more people every day than Israel does all year. I agree on where the next bombing will take place, including on peoples doorsteps, communication towers, bridges and strategic isolated highways, amoung others. And the “Cheney” and CIA issues are out of my area of expertise. Good and important security  “jobs” for each states’ militia members.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
         Don, do you have sources for any of your “stuff”?  Or do you just make it up as you go along?  YOU keep throwing up all sorts of negative answers, but your ONLY answer is to let the Constitution be trampled on unchecked.
         
        It’s almost impossible to make a bomb without some type of metal.  Be it a wire, a timer, a switch, a conducter or diode.  There are many many parts that can be made of plastic, and really sophisiticated folks could probably cut the metal signature down to a very small one, but to eliminate it completely, I’d have to see.
         
        If there is no metal, then explain how the signal is passed to detonate the bomb!  Does plastic conduct the electrical current?
         
        You continue to ignore my questions of proof on anything.  You continue to ignore the fact that there are dogs and machines capable of sniffing out explosives.  You continue to ignore what you can’t respond to.
         
        I’m a Disabled Combat Veteran that served in the Middle East (and other places).  I KNOW what they can do with bombs.  I KNOW what we can do to detect them.
         
        I find it hard to understand how any intelligent person can still have blind faith that the government is capable of protecting them and that the government is required to tell you everything to eat, drink and how to live.  The terms “sheeple” and “lemmigs” come to mind.

  • VeeDub

    This pretty much sums it up folks.  http://vimeo.com/16647512

  • JRPPP

    @Dehoff–More to the point, TSA’s own self-checks show they miss many of their self-tests anyway so they are not effective by own evaluations–These are confidential except to Congress, etc. and it is good they do NOT publicize how they failed,

  • JRPPP

    @LukeSr–thanks for a thoughtful response vrs. the name-calling so manmy resort to too sooon..more later, but i only enjoy myslef half the time,a nd can only be an optimist because of the mutual belief in God…for now, 9-11 is the basis for all the loss of freedom for security. Happy New Year–to ALL of us

  • JackNapper

    For all of you liberal idiots (and any other cowards that support TSA):
     
    Most if not ALL of the searches conducted by the TSA are unreasonable as well as unnecessary.  This means that they are a violation of our rights which are guaranteed by the 4th Amendment of the US. Constitution.  OUR constitution is NON-negotiable…..no matter whether we have Obummer in the White House or anyone else.  Those of you that want to stand by and allow any “governmental agency” to violate your freedom in the interest of safety are not worthy of either (paraphrased from Ben Franklin – whom I’ve already been accused by some trolling RINO of “hiding behind.”)
     
    Remember, US Constitution is NON-negotiable, not for ANY reason.

    • Don DeHoff

      @JackNapper
       Jack, I must admit I admire your perseverence. but for right now, compromise is in order, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of times a day, when all passangers who fly, have to make some concessions . Our present screening tools are what they are and today, they are  far more effecient and less invasive than they were  at the very beginning. Like I said before, this is an (undeclared)emergency, “limited in scope” form of martial law. It will have to prevail, until we can find a more effective way of handling the problem. I surely don’t want our screening  standards to be relaxed just so you and a few others can hide from whatever it is you want to hide.  I am sensitive to your plight but instead of all of the irrational ranting and raving, come up with some viable alternatives—-not your “BS” that an exploded airplane is “the price we have to pay for freedom”—you personally can indorse that conceipt, but don’t try and impose it upon the rest of  us. And,  stop using  the Israelis program as an example—that nice little country is about the size and population of New Jersey. We have  dozens of  airports that handle more passengers every day than Israel does all year. And, Jack, let us agree to disagree in a civil manner. If that is not possible, I will be forced to conclude that you might be  a “plant”, perhaps paid or a volunteer, to create dissension amoung the citizens. I will concede that you might  just be someone who is unwittingly supporting “their” cause. Let us hear from the other readers and commenters. I wish we could each just rely upon the what the “bare-bones” constitution states, however is has been augmented by many state and congressional laws and reams upon reams of court “case law” that  can only be fully understood by scholars and legal types. For example, the last two clauses of the 2nd Amendment state, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”. Most evryone would like for that to be the “gospel”, but we cannot ignore the first parts of the sentence, which “sets the stage” for the last; They have to be considered together, which opens  “Pandora’s Box” for debates and opinions. We must be on guard to defend the right for the citizens to remain part of a “militia”, even though we now have a “standing military”. Our stand must be, that just like the police, our “standing military” cannot be everywhere in sufficient force, all of the time and  then the second part of the amendment comes into play, wherein the citizens have a right to defend themselves, from any and all forces.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
        Here’s your compromise.  How many people were killed in airline hijackings or bombings in the last 10 years?
         
        More than 16,000 people are killed EVERY year by drunk drivers. When are you going to push for police road blocks at every intersection to strip search drivers to make sure they aren’t drinking or on drugs to prevent those deaths?
         
        According to the US DOT, about 1000 deaths occur EVERY year from train crashes. When are you going to push for TSA perverts at every train station to strip search passengers to prevent those deaths?
         
        According to the Institute, in Injury Prevention, motor vehicle crashes in the United States result in more than 40,000 deaths EVERY year.  When are you going to call for federal agents and safety inspectors on every street corner to save those lives?
         
        According to a Harvard study, at least 44,000 people have died EVERY year as a result of medical malpractice, and over one million have been injured.  When are you going to push for federal agents in every hospital, clinic and pharmacy to prevent these deaths and injuries?
         
        Just exactly where (if ever, in your mind) do we stop the violations of our civil rights?  Or is every violation acceptable to save lives?  Or are you just saying some deaths and some violations of our rights are more acceptable than others?
         
        “Compromise”, Don, or surrender?  Justify supporting strip searching babies in a airport terminal, but allowing 100,000 deaths every year from things that could also be prevented if the same TSA measures were used across the board.
         
        More than 100,000 deaths EVERY year in this country and you want to defend TSA pervsions and violations of our RIGHTS which only affect Americans who fly?  As Spock would say, “That is highly illogical”.
         
        You do NOT have a right to a car or a driver’s license.  You do not have the right to fly on a plane or ride a train.  You do not have a right to medical care.  ALL of these things that are NOT rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution are responsible for more deaths EVERY year than murders committed by a few crazy muslims using airplanes.

        • JackNapper

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff
           I agree 100%.  “Compromise or surrender?”  Excellent.  One more point, the Jews in 1930′s Germany surrendered, mostly.  Sounds like our “staunch Republican” Dan who wants us to all just be “civil” when the government oversteps its bounds…..and unser Fuhrer, Herr Obama, wants that more than anything else….no matter what other lies come from the government.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper”Vee”, your argument does not make sense. Everyone (well most) know that one cannot prove a negative, as there is no data “out there” to evaluate. The real question is how many bombings and hijackings would there HAVE BEEN, if the TSA and other proceedures were not in place? We have had attempts, but you choose to ignore that point. And you are dragging a red herring across the trail by bringing up the off-subject “drunk driver” issue. That is an important issue but has to be set aside for a seperate debate. Ditto for the trains and medical malpractice. And i am not saying or implying that one issue is more important than another, but the discussion at hand is airports and airplanes—do you always have difficulty in focusing your thoughts? I think, you are either intentionally bringing up “red herrings”, to take our focus off of the issue at hand or you jut don’t know how to hold a civil dicussion on a single subject, which is freguently the case when one does not know of what he or she speaks. I also sense an organized “Whose on first” routine wherein two or more people join together in their attempts to take our focus of of the real subject at hand. Perhaps, and only perhaps, “it” is unintentional, but the end result is the same.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
          There we go. You are incapable of associating the FACTS with what you DREAM up. How many bombings have been avoided? Your reference please. I’ve posted data PROVING the TSA has missed more than 25,000 security threats. My facts trump your cowardly ruminations.
           
          You also seem incapable of understanding the DIRECT association between what the TSA is doing and my drunk driver scenario. The FACTS are that, what the TSA is doing would be NO different than cops on every street corner strip searching who they want. IT WOULD BE THE SAME VIOLATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
           
          The TSA has been given the authority to do it, who will the government say can do it next. They’ve set a precedence and people like you are too slow to understand this is now the legal basis to expand their CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS at will. 
           
          Thanks to cowards like you, they can start doing this anytime, anywhere they want.  I’ve also posted a link to video PROVING that!
           
          “Who’s on first?”  THAT is your only case.  I have no difficulty in focusing my thoughts.  But YOU obviously have great difficulty understanding the U.S. Constitution and the RIGHTS it enumerates for us.  YOU obviously have great difficulty understanding that the government will NEVER give back any authority it obtains, and it will always seek to take more.  HISTORY PROVES THAT, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME.  You are a shining example of the sheeple the government can herd into doing it’s will.

      • JackNapper

        @Don DeHoff
         You’re the one(s) being hard-headed (as well as dead wrong!).  I’m not attempting to “impose” anything on YOU.  YOU and your “fellow travelers” are forcing me and other patriotic defenders of the freedoms YOU disregard as “BS” (Gutter talk?) to put up with “limited martial law” (sort of like being a little bit pregnant!).
         
        As for your treasonous refusal to accept the Bill of Rights as it stands, it IS “gospel.” Water down, interpret, or play any other foolish games (case law, indeed!) with it and this country has no basis for existence.  Make believe “emergencies” or any other such cowardice and paranoia has NO place in “civil” discourse.
         
        By the way, I’ve not mentioned Israel; and if ANYONE posting on this topic is one of “them” trying to “create dissension among the citizens”  it would be you…..read your words, then read what the rest of us have to say….YOU seem to be one of the few, if not the only, poster here that has anything positive to say about TSA.  No one really cares about what growing pains some odious Federal agency has gone through or are going through….no one that is except for a shill for der Fuhrer and his other evil minions.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper
           DeHoff-20, Jack-2:  You say most everyone but me objects to the TSA. A quick tally reveals there are about 4 of you who have almost monopolized “anti-side” of the disussion and I am sure there are dozens if not hundreds setting back, chuckling at your ranting and raving. Readers, may we hear from you? These people can and will do serious damage to this great (acknowledged not perfect) country. My thousand or so posts on  the internet (mostly on Disqus and LiveFyre) will reveal that I am as anti-Administration, Islam, Democrat, and socialist as they come, but we must remain civil in our approach to the problems at hand.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapperJack, just one point, concerning me being “treasonous”. That is sick. The Supreme Court is the the final “law of the land”, and am I, you or any citizen to ignore their decisions? That courts delivers opinions as to what the constitution says and means. and while we may have diiffering opinions, theirs is going to stand until revised, which occasionaly happens. This has nothing to do with cowardice or parannoia, as we are a nation of laws and we must follow them or change them–to ignore them can result in severe consequences. And, to use the “Fuhrer” gambit, is not only sick, it is an “Alinsky-101″ tactic, which I understand certain adminstration people studied in great detail. You sir are becoming more suspect as time goes by. I also understand that those whose “cover” gets blown, sometimes get “tossed”.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff
           Civil is not a problem….and I really don’t care what the “score” is….you are simply a disagreeable person who only wants to believe that what you think is right; you obviously don’t have anything better to do than to play on the internet (yes, I read your age and your claim to being a retired AF officer… which I doubt because NO real veteran wants the government “groping” them or irradiating them, regardless of why.  YOU continue to spout liberal nonsense while claiming to be anti-administration (the fuhrer reference!) anti- islam (which is deeply offensive and wrong on many levels), anti-democrat(yet you play their little political correctness games!) and anti-socialist (yet you place what you consider to be the greater good over freedom).  Freedom is obviously something that you only want for those who believe as you do….that makes you nothing but a bigot.  I don’t even care what you think or have to say anymore…..you are obviously a shill for the TSA and are not worth my time…..I’m not about divisiveness….and you are simply a troublemaker.  May God have mercy on you….you don’t deserve it from anyone else.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           There we have THE problem.  The SC issues “OPINIONS” on what the Constitution says and means.  It doesn’t need “OPINIONS” or interpretation.  It need only be read!  It’s written in plain ole American English.
           
          On that note, since you’ve pointed out the SC gets to be the decider…
           
          In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment.
           
          In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess… a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
           
          In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.
           
          Since you believe the SC makes the final decision, do you support the liberal/socialist/democrat calls to violate the Constitution and go against the SC to deny gun owners their Constitutional RIGHTS?
           
          We are a “Nation of laws”?  Sure, if you’re not rich or a politician.  Laws only apply when those people want them to.    Except they NEVER seem to apply to obonga

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           Don: you wrote “I am sure there are dozens if not hundreds setting back, chuckling at your ranting and raving.”
           
          Please provide us with some type of proof or evidence to back up your claim.  You do have something to go by and aren’t just making stuff up are you?  That would be just like lying, wouldn’t it?
           
          How many people visit this site every day, and how many read this particular thread?  You would have to have some idea in order to make the dubious claim that there are possibly hundreds laughing at us!
           
          How many are laughing at YOU?  Are you posting fact or “HYPERBOLE”?

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
         HOW MANY AIRLINE BOMBINGS HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY TSA?
         
        HOW MANY AIRLINE HIJACKINGS HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY TSA?
         
        If you don’t have facts, it’s either unprovable conjecture, imagination or LIES!
         
        http://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-lets-loaded-guns-past-security-planes/story?id=17358872
         
        http://www.examiner.com/article/loaded-gun-gets-past-tsa-screeners-houston-airport
         
        Google “TSA misses gun” and watch the hits.  Tell us again how safe we are with TSA!  Look at the dates Don, these aren’t from the first days of TSA.
         
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/26/tsa_barcode_boarding_pass/  From October this year Don! 
         
         It would be a relatively simple job to scan the issued boarding pass, decode it, and then change the security setting if you are planning to bring something naughty aboard, or even change the name on the ticket to match a fake ID.
         
        Tell us again how great the TSA is!

  • winner08

    Now that the TSA are Unionized it is almost impossible to fire them. They cannot be sued, so they could sell these images, how I do not know, but I am sure they have their Cell phones and could take these pictures and e-mail it to their friends. I guess that i a bonus. Does anyone know how much the Tax Payer is paying for this. Lets just forget about this 911 and get our Troops home.

  • JRPPP

    @Don DeHoff f-They CAN’T be put out of business–that is half he point here–but they could be replaced by the airlines searching which gets rid of GOV’T violations of 4th amendment–we submit voluntarily to PRIVATE co’s where gov’;t is coercion and a REAL threat of an expanding police state agency which is already stopping people on the highway–i don’t mind the latter near the Mex border where the BP (USED to) provide aneeded service and were polite and didn’t do body searches. THE BOREDER IS WHERE OR SECURITY SHOULD BE–but they let in terrorists so we have to have an INTERNAL police state, DON

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPPJR, Am I missing something? It is OK for the airlines to conduct the searches but not the Government?  At this point and the state of the art, the airlines would be forced to use the same techniques, else planes would be exploding, and not only that the price of an airline ticket would have to be increased significantly to pay for the the equipment and the personnel—now it is being shared by the public in the form of taxes. Also, there are several different airlines and each would have their own techniques and equipment and confusion would rein. I agree with you stand on highway searches. And then you say such activities are OK “near the border”, Well, we have thousands of miles of border and it is impossible to stop all illegals, or even most of them—and lets face it, many are born here or have been admitteded legally—and they too could be working for an airlines  Also, I too am against a “police state”, and I just saw were an adjacent county had been provided federal funds to hire 100 additional county policemen.—something smells to high heaven (if I am allowed to use that word).—but those are all seperate off-subject (but related) issues. Now, do you not agree our civil discussion covered far more ground, than that when name calling, profanity and gutter talk is employed? Others might take note.

      • Don DeHoff

        @JRPPPJR, I forgot an important point. At large airports, would each airline have their own sepeate scanning and search areas, wherein each is used only for their own passengers?—that would be very expensive and time consuming. And if they used “some other” airlines equipment and a bomb “got through”, who would be a fault? That all is analogous to each airline having their own seperate terminal police forces and air marshals.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
           
          Don; What if the rabbit had a gun?  He could shoot back at the hunter. 
           
          Your “what if” scenarios hold no basis in the real world, like most liberal/sociaist/democrat schemes and Utopic dreams.  You’re worried about cost now?  Gosh I thought it was saving lives!  You’re worried about time consumption now?  Which is more important Don, time, money or lives.
           
          “What if” it to death, it doesn’t change the facts.  You are assuming (wrongly and without any shred of proof) the airlines won’t or can’t work together.   You attempt to assert union thugs, working as federal employees, are the only perverts we can get to do this.  Your proof is…..?
           
          We just need to figure out why you are so intent on defending unions, federal workers and perverts, to the exclusion of any other options.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JRPPP”Vee”, Sir, your are about as far “off base” as one can get, I am 80 years young, a retired USAF officer, spent 30 years as a Register Rep for a major life insurance company, am a staunch Republican and constitutionalist,  am a 50-year plus Life Member of the NRA. You get tangled up in “what if”. Sir, “what if”, “is planning ahead” to avoid narrow thinking and to look at the big picture. I have well over a thousand posts on the internet, and I am postive I have never seriously been  labled a socialist, liberal or a Democrat.  I am also a “contributing” member of the National Right to Work organization and I am about as anti-union as they come. Since most of that information is available on the internet, I must assume you are either “one of them”,or you unwittingly, like a sheep, jump over any hoops placed in front of you. And you even question “time”. Sir, in the capitalist world, time is money. And where pray tell, did you even get the absurd  idea I support a unionized TSA? You surely cannot be so ignorant as to the realities of life. Me, being a retired USAF pilot, you can rest assured, I do not relish the thought of a terrorist bomb being on board any airplane. The more I think about it ,the more I am convenced you are either a paid or volunteer  supporter of some entity that does not have this great country’s interest at heart. And you also seem to overlook that airlines are in competition with each other and most all flights leave and arrive in a very short period of time. Is one going to share its screening section with another airline, and who is at fault if a bomb “get through?”. And, where did you get the idea that the TSA is staffed with “perverts”. Initially when they were formed, almost overnight, surely some unqualified people came on board, but they now have as good a staff as any government office.  Likewise, their rules and proceedures have improved greatly. I sense too many of the commenters have a hangup on sex, There is a lot more, but I have “cooled down” and await more of your uncivil and unresearched ranting and raving. I would settle for just one civil,  positive constructive suggestion that will help the TSA get their job done.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
           
           
          Don.  I apologize.  Had I known you were in your 80′s I would understand why you are incapable of understanding all of the issues here.
           
          But since you claim to be in your 80′s and a retired Air Force officer, That would put you in with the generation of Heroes of WWII.  I’ve never met NOT EVEN ONE that was willing to bend over and give up their rights!  They were all willing to fight and die for them.
           
          Constitutionalist?  IMPOSSIBLE!
           
          Pilot?  I’m a Retired Disabled Air Force Combat Controller.  I told pilots where to go!  Most of the time I had to tell ‘em how to do it too! 
           
          You a life member of the NRA?  Maybe, but I don’t know any of them that are willing to give up any Constitutional rights either.
           
          I’m a life member of the VFW, NRA, DAV and AL.  All those memberships won’t get me a cup of coffee, anywhere except at the post!
           
          What we were, has no bearing here.  What we are (whether it’s sheep willing to give up rights, or patriots still willing to fight and die for them) is important.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JRPPP”Vee…” what is this of off-subject, gutter game of “mental masturbation” that some of you people seem to enjoy? Yes, you may have been a “controller”, but you were but one part of a “team”, and you sure as hell were not the quarterback. My 100 or so combat mission did not involve “hereo stuff”, in that my plane was not armed and I could not even “shoot back”. Yes, I am age 80, starting  to write a book, that will now have a very short chapter on those who play the unproductive and un-American game of “mental masturbation”. I am forced to place you in one of three catagories; you are either a paid or volunteer “plant” by an agency that does not have this great country’s  best interests at heart, or you are a “doofus” who unwittingly plays their game, and in doing so, become one of them, or (and I hope not) you are a very sick person. What are the “kicks” that you get, by wandering off-subject to engage in attempting to destroy people and take the other reader’s focus off of the subject at hand? Does it give you a sense of satisfaction? If so, you need help. You can verify my credentials by going to Disqus, or checking in with one of the search-engines. And, your math is also a little less than precise. In 1945 at the end of WW-II, I was but 13 years young. As for understanding our Constitution, It would be nice if we could rely just upon just the original document, which many of you attempt to to. It borders upon gross ignorance not to accept the fact, that great document clearly states both congress and the states had to generate legislation to impliment the provisions of the document, Then there are reams upon reams of “case law” determined by judges at various levels as to the actual meaning and intent of a very “general” document. One has to look to all of that paperwork to determine a course of action. For instance, we cannot take just the last two clauses or phrases from the 2nd Amendment and expect them to be the final word, as the first part of the sentence, “sets the stage or paramiters” for the last part. I trust that is not over your head. Now, do we get back on subject, or must you continue your little obnoxious gutter game of taking the readers focus  away from the critical issues of the day?

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
          That’s funny! You’re kind of hung up on “masturbation” like your TSA buddies watching the screen, aren’t you? You brought it up, (twice) so enjoy… Yourself!
           
          Read what I wrote brainiac. I didn’t write that you served in WWII.  I wrote,  “That would put you in with the generation of Heroes of WWII.”
           
          But thanks for clearing up that you weren’t one of the last great generation of heroes. That explains your willingness to give up what you didn’t fight for.
           
          I’ve got lots of categories for you too. But mostly we all know you are a waste of time and energy.
           
          “Most people on the left aren’t communists, just the useful idiots Lenin spoke of, being used to promote a socialist agenda which the 1st and necessary step towards communism.”
           
          This pretty much sums you up. http://vimeo.com/16647512
           
          Buh Bye!

        • Plancksize

          @VeeDub @Don DeHoff
          Thanks for the excellent link to the trailer. Good summary of the Overton Window in operation.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JRPPP”Vee….”. your true colors are beginning to show. You comments would get you an A+ in a “Alinsky-101″ course; when one mixes unaltered “BS” in any formula, one still gets “BS”. Your contnued uncivil reponses overshadow any good points that you might have. Why do you spend so much time trying to destroy those who have opposing opinions instead of staying with the original subject at hand? All you have to do is scroll to the top of the post, and low and behold, there is it is. I suspect by now, most of the readers realize you have an unspoken agenda.  Most of the true conseratives, right or wrong,  are not afraid to “lay it on the line”. And like I have said many times (much to your chagrin), “mental masturbation” is a highly contagious disease, and I suspect you and a handful of others, are intentional “carriers” whose sole objective is to take the readers’ focus off of the real issues.. I admit you may be an “unwitting” participant, but in being so, you still are “one of them”—”them” meaning persons who do not have this great country’s best interest at heart.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Blah, blah, blah. Blah blah blah and blah, blah. You suspect? You don’t suspect anything, you’re clueless.
           
          Just like claiming that you flew an unarmed, defenseless airplane somewhere near where real combat Veterans were engaged in real combat and risking their lives, as a “combat mission”.  Just how much did you complain when you ran out of coffee or the temperature got too cold during your joy ride?
           
          How many terrorists attacks on airplanes or airports have been prevented by TSA?  List them!  If ANY were prevented, there would be thousands of news articles on them.
           
          You continue to refuse to answer what proves you wrong!  And that shows YOUR true colors.
           
          “Those who trade liberty for security have neither.” ~ John Adams The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
           
          Blah, blah, blah. Blah blah blah and blah, blah. You suspect? You don’t suspect anything, you’re clueless.
           
          How many terrorists attacks on airplanes or airports have been prevented by TSA? List them! If ANY were prevented, there would be thousands of news articles on them.
           
          You continue to refuse to answer what proves you wrong! And that shows YOUR true colors.
           
          “Those who trade liberty for security have neither.” ~ John Adams The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
           
          Blah, blah, blah. Blah blah blah and blah, blah. You suspect? You don’t suspect anything, you’re clueless.
           
          Just like claiming that you flew an unarmed, defenseless airplane somewhere near where real combat Veterans were engaged in real combat and risking their lives, as a “combat mission”. Just how much did you complain when you ran out of coffee or the temperature got too cold during your joy ride?
           
          How many terrorists attacks on airplanes or airports have been prevented by TSA? List them! If ANY were prevented, there would be thousands of news articles on them.
           
          You continue to refuse to answer what proves you wrong! And that shows YOUR true colors.
           
          “Those who trade liberty for security have neither.” ~ John Adams
          The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JRPPPVee…, screening of airline passengers  is an extremely critical, nationwide problem and we surely can not leave it up to the several airlines, hundreds of airports and local jurisdictions  to solve. It has to be a nationbwide coordinated effort, with immediate and direct  coordinated lines of communiations to a single organization. Remember they were formed almost “overnight” and they, like any new organization have had their growing pains and some unqualified personnel. I assume you are aware there are millions of citizens out of work.  I challange you (and others) to go down to your nearest TSA facility at an airport and ask for a briefing. I am sure you will be surprised at the progress they have made—-and you (and others) just might come away with the fact thay they are not “infested” with perverts. That issue is a “planted” idea to take our focus and efforts off of the “bomb” problem. I am going to do that and reccommend that their PR people generate a vidio for nationwide distribution to bring the “facts” to light.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Answer the question! You’re finger seems to be suck on the repeat button because you keep posting the same crap, you can’t back up with fact.
           
          I challenge you to prove your pervert buddies have saved a single life!
           
          You run out of Vaseline or something? You obviously don’t get it. YOU have proven nothing to me, and seem to have perpetual diarrhea of the fingers…. All slop, no substance.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JRPPPVee.., your uncivil and obnoxious responses reveals what “I suspect” is either one very sick person, or one who is intentionally attemptng to take the readers focus of the real issues at hand. I make no apologies for my contributions to the Vietnam “war”, as we all had jobs to do—and  my aircraft was shot at many  times, especially during take-off and landing at night (one can’t miss seeing the “tracer rounds”)—-and I could have been just as dead as a young soldier in a “fire fight” (and I, without reservation, salute and take my hat off to those young kids). Again, why do you insist on this approach to debating the real issues at hand? Would some of the  readers please step in on this issue and let both “Vee  and me” (no pun intended) know what you think? Now, back to my several comments and Vee’s ranting and raving on screening of airline passengers. Everyone, please note, that for most every serious issue posted, there are a handful of persons who intentionally “rant and rave, off-subject, with profanity, obnoxious nicknames and gutter language (which I call “mental masturbation”,  to take our focus off of the real issues at hand, and many commenters fall prey to that and unwittingly become participants—and yes, this is a prime example.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub”Vee…”, you have a poor grasp of the logic, deductive reason and plain common sense, methods of problem solving. One cannot prove a negative. The question is how many lives “have been saved” by the screening efforts?—and again, “we don’t know” as that is trying to prove a negative. Why do you have trouble with that as it is a most elementary conceipt? For the less astute, how many lives have been saved by persons obeying  speed limits and stop signs? Obviously we don’t know, but equally obvious, we know it has to be many. We cannot use overall auto deaths in that for many we do not know if they were speeding or not. And you are reaching “far afield” in your use of the term “preverts”. While I am sure the  TSA at its very beginning, when they were formed almost “overnight”,  had (and maybe still have a few)  unqualified people on board. But now, the very existence of their program relies upon qualified personnel and procedures.  And even though you don’t like the term, “I suspect”, most are now qualified with many being college trained. I also suspect their “rules and procedures” have been greatly improved, again, as their very existence depends upon continued improvement. And one last, “I suspect”; most of the problems you have attempted to point out, occured in their “early days”. When one understands there are now  tens of thousands of screenings  each day, their overall complaint rate is acceptable, as long as it continues to improve. Vee, I again challange you to go vist a TSA facilty at a airport and ask for a briefing—I am going to to that, and will get back to you.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
         
        Don, are we missing something?  How many babies have been strip searched by airline employees?  How many 90 year old women have had their diapers removed by airline employees?  How many people do the airlines have sitting behind body scanners ogling anyone they want to?   The answer is NONE!
         
        You continue to try (and fail miserably) to justify unconstitutional actions of the federal government.  You continue to try (and fail miserably) to imply what they are doing is the only answer.  It’s NOT.   Now you attempt to imply if the airlines did it there would be chaos and no uniformity.  Prove it!  You are assuming, you are deflecting, you are in total denial.
         
        Since your support for TSA perverts is blatantly obvious, there is NO WAY you can claim you are against a police state.  YOU are simply against the parts of the police state YOU don’t want.  And that my friend is why we are where we are today.  You can’t have it both ways!
         
        Other options have been pointed out.  You just choose to ignore that which you have no intelligent response to.
         
        Give us your street address and city, and I’ll make some calls and see if we can’t get the cops sitting on your street corner doing strip searches of you and your family to prevent deaths from drunk driving.

      • JackNapper

        @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
         I like the idea of putting the costs on the airline….mainly because I also object to having my taxes hit to support TSA.  Don, that means that folks like YOU could PAY for your own “security.”  Get it? A consumer tax….
         
        I guarantee you that if the airlines had to provide their own security screening that they’d hire real “professionals” because of the obvious liability factors.  And, although you are right about the price of flying going up…..I also would bet anything that in order to stay in business there would be a real solution found.  For example, I’d gladly pay a few bucks more for an airline ticket if I could just sign a waiver and forgo the TSA nonsense.  Let the airline provide cowardice and paranoia flights for those who would rather let the TSA violate their rights……
         
        The market would soon put those airlines who used TSA out of business….as it should be!

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapper  @JRPPPJack, like many, you don’t get the big picture. If the bombers make inroads on our airlines (and they already have, causing us to establish the TSA), they will soon expand to bombs on the rail and bus lines and your very doorsteps. This is a national law enforcement problem and we don’ t need dozens of organizations doing it “there way”. Who is to blame when a piece of luggage, with a bomb, is transferred to another airline and then the bomb goes off–where do we place the blame?. You and many others say “TSA nonsense”. Are you saying cut out the TSA and the bombing will stop?  If you have been following this terrorist issues,  logic and reason dictates it is going to get far worse. I maintain there are persons amoung you commenters that have the sole objective of creating dissension amoun us, so  in effect, “nothing gets done” as our focus is taken off of the real issues at hand. If changes have to be made, let us first get the problems solved and the resources in place before we disband the only deterent that we have. Most all of you will be silent (the silence will be deafening), when and if the next airliner is blown up as a result of relaxed standards—and I personally will not accept  the prevailing philosophy being put forth by some, “that is the price of liberty and freedom”—that is not what Ben Franklin had in mind with his statement.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper  @JRPPP
           Don: You wrote: “they will soon expand to bombs on the rail and bus lines and your very doorsteps. This is a national law enforcement problem”
           
          Bend over, because YOU just proved my point on dozens of posts.  YOU just admitted, that what the TSA is doing now will need to expand to bus and train stations.  “On our very doorsteps”.  YOU just proved my post about cops on every street corner looking for drunk drivers.
           
          YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU ARE SO SCARED THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO HAVE YOUR RIGHTS DESTROYED TO HAVE WHAT YOU HOPE WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE SAFETY.  Even though you can’t prove it.
           
          You continue with the “oh what if… who’s on first” game.  If we don’t have TSA we’ll get all blowed up. Straight out of the socialist/democrat fear book!
           
          No we won’t be silent when the next plane blows up, as you ignorantly suggested.  We’ll be screaming at YOU unionized TSA perverts for not doing what you were supposed to, and at YOU unionized TSA perverts for giving people the false impression we are safe because YOU and YOU alone can save us.
           
          You claim to have been following terrorist issues.  How many bombings have been averted because of the TSA?  On terrorist issues though.  Where do we place the blame for the dozens of Americans offered up for sacrifice to terrorists in Benghazi?

  • JRPPP

    not taxes, but deficits–and the $$ printing will cause a collapse of currency, civil order and freedom..no need for cost containment with $$ printing for TSA constant expansion..and i didn’t see aresponse to the ineffectiveness of TSA by their own evaluation so we suffer these indignities and STILL have exploded airlines!

  • Don DeHoff

    Dave, you are uninformed, “Beautiful and attractive” does not get transmitted via x-rays and to the best of my knowledge, neither does the presence or absence of pubic hair. Also, as best as I can determine by just a few flights, the TSA people are far too busy for such frivolous  activities. Also, I would suggest present day rules prohibite such activities, as their very jobs are at stake. I still maintain at least 80% of the alleged incidents are either hearsay or occured in TSAs early days when they were formed “overnight”, without guidlines or personnel standards.

  • JRPPP

    no, i expect that there would be  few private concerns doing work for many airlines–just get the gov’t out of it except perhaps evaluation

  • JRPPP

    Jack–i agree with the minority here that the majority of TSA are prob. OK, but i DISAGREE with Don that the transgressions are mostly in the past; they seemt o be getting more atrocious INCL.HARASSING RON PAUL AT HIS PRIVATE PLANE in Tampa

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPPJR, I appreciate your comment, and yes I think we should be able to review the “problem areas”, as long as they are not classified. One area I think you need to reconsider is there are tens of thousands of people being  screened every day, many, more than once. I think overall the complaint level is acceptable, even though some are serious and need to be looked into. The TSA people are remiss in not having their PR people “telling their story” and the progress they have made since they began.  I am sure they now have a “handle” on the “pervert” issues in that  the survival of the entire department is at stake. On a lighter note, it does not take much to be at odds with Dr. Paul.  I wish him well in his retirement and thank him for his years of service. I do personally think his running for president changed the outcome or at least prevented the contest from being much closer, but that is another story, for another time.

  • JRPPP

    No, JACK, YOU miss the big picture, which is that Bush and Obama invite our enemies in to create this chaos so we will beg for global gov’t to save us from civil disorder..O also arms the Muslim Brotherhood and refuses to allow the Muslims to be searched like the rest of us. As moderate Joe Lieberman says” he refuses to link the 2 words Muslim and terrorist, so GOV’T security is always suspect as a lie and a trap

  • LukeSr

    I’m one of the people who have been watching this discussion for the past few days and I am ashamed to admit of how much I am in the dark about. I’m an educated man I just haven’t given much thought to what goes on behind closed doors. I also admit that I am pre-occupied with school but to this I don’t look to as an excuse. There is no excuse to be ignorant to the political realities of our time.
    Many Americans sit back and hide behind their TV sets pretending to care but thinking it will all go away or just too busy trying to make a living to do anything about it… Why not? This is America…won’t she take care of herself? Why should I worry? The government will protect us…the police are honest hard working folks. Of what do I have to worry? I have my family, my job, good doctors in case I get sick and Psychology has an explanation for almost every human behavior… and the medication to soothe it! Incidentally, the child temper tantrum is now called a; “Disruptive Mood Dysregulation Disorder.” Feeling like you might have missed something? And some Americans are so wrapped up in their daily lives that they are completely ignorant of the impending danger that awaits us all. It’s because they have been lulled into a false sense of security. And don’t even try to tell me what the truth is. Truth? What is truth? Truth is whatever I say it is! You have your truth and I have mine!!
    The truth, whether we like it or not is that America is not the country she used to be even 30 years ago.This country is in trouble politically, morally, spiritually and collectively.
    We are at a point that I think it’s safe to say that if you are not part of the solution then you are a part of the problem. So, if you don’t mind, I’m going to go back into my little world where bad things only happen on TV and in NY City. Don’t bother me with truth or reality…I don’t have time for things like that. I’d rather be a part of the problem than to have to become accountable to fix it… Besides, it’s comfortable here…
     
    Signed…your average Joe

  • JRPPP

    Don-some parts of the Const. are quite clear and need no interpretation asuch as limited powers of exec. and the Feds vrs. States and most but not all of the Bill of Rights. For ex. it is clear that disputes between the states go straight to SCOTUS so what was Judge Bolthead doing telling AZ what to doi??

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPPCome on “JR”, if our Constitution was “quite clear”, we would not have reams of state and federal laws and tons of legal “case law” (some conflicting) that supposeldly provide us with the “ungarbled word”?  Also, I thought you and I agreed, some time ago, that the use of profanity  and  obnoxious nicknames was, and  still is,  counterproductive to civil discourse. You ar one of the more conservative voices out there—-don’t let “them” drag you down in their gutter.

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPPCome on “JR”, if our Constitution was “quite clear”, we would not have reams of state and federal laws and tons of legal “case law” (some conflicting) that supposeldly provide us with the “ungarbled word”?  Also, I thought you and I agreed, some time ago, that the use of profanity  and  obnoxious nicknames was, and  still is, counterproductive to civil discourse. You are one of the more conservative voices out there—-don’t let “them” drag you down into their gutter. And, don’t let your medical training divert you from the accepted meanings of the English language, as presented in Webster’s Unabridged or other reliable dictionaries. Surely, you would not take such liberties with  published medical procedures. In case you forgot, I am referring to the definition of the word, “Race” as pertains to “peoples” (plural). Thanks, and “hang in there”.

  • JRPPP

    where did race come from? You are objecting to Judge Bolthead? I could say worse–it is clean anyway

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR’, clean or dirty, obnoxious is obnoxious. It is also counterproductive.

  • JackNapper

    I’ve been offline for a couple of days; I see that Mr. Dehoff is still “masturbating”…..I guess he really is either pathetic old man with NO clue about reality, a shill for those who believe that the Feds should have their collective noses in the private affairs of “we the people,” or is just another typical liberal who accuses others of his own actions.  Actions such as deliberate obfuscation of the subject of this article, which clearly has NOTHING to do with “bombing” commercial aircraft and EVERYTHING to do with the odious TSA and their overreaching of authority and their violation of our personal rights.  Rights, which ANY real veteran also believes come before the “common good.”  The only thing “common” here is that TSA (the so-called organization as well as ALL of its employees) is an unwarrented violation of the 4th Amendment.  Mr. DeHoff, your “reams” of “case law” have only one real saving grace:  they can be recycled and used in the toilet as appropriate.  Also, I believe that not only are you shilling for this disgrace (TSA), but that you are NOT a veteran because NO real veteran would trust this “government” to find it’s own rear with both hands as well as a road map much less for protection.  Sir, I hope you have a wonderful New Year….and that you learn to distrust the federal government, especially this one.

    • Don DeHoff

      @JackNapperJack, I have frequently said that “mental masturbation” is highly contagious. And by that  term I mean only that some people, (regardlessof age), get an emotional “kick” out of using profanity, obnoxious nicknames, and off-subect gutter talk. I don’t believe that is your problem. Yours is more closely associated with Alinsky and his techniques of verbally running rough-shod over freedom loving people. First, as to my credentials, please, provide me with a usable P.0. box address and I will  send you a copy of my DD-214 and 15, for my career  as a  USAF officer. I have mislaid both my Indiana National Guard and my USAF enlisted DD-214s, but the latter one includes “all of the time”, schools, ribbons. etc. Will send a copy of my University of Maryland, BS Diploma, if you want, and a copy of my pension data from a major life insurance company for which I was employed for about 30 years. It probably would be too much to expect a public apology from you  for  stating I am not who I say I am, as the Alinsky method, requires you to ignore such requests and  “move on” to other outlandish statements. Basically, I am saying the TSA is not the same TSA that existed during their formative years, which occurred almost overnight and they have improved both, the quality of their manpower, rules and quidlines. And it is “sick”, to state their employees, as a group, are “perverts”; they came from the very same workforce pool that exists out there today. True, due to the “rush” to get up and running and the numbers involved, there will be some misfits, as it is with any large organization. I think you can  rest assured they now have the guidlines and elimination procedures to remove “misfits”,  as that department’s very existence depends on it. I am sure the TSA would welcome contstructive suggestions that will improve their operation. Also, as it is a nation-wide problem, it cannot be left to the individual airlines, airports and various law enforcement  agencies. To do otherwise would be extremely inefficient. And until we can come up with viable alternatives, the present techniques will have to be continued, regardless of who is task to do the job. I invite you and others to visit your local TSA office at your airport and ask for a briefing. I am going to do just that, and I will get back with you and perhaps we can compare notes.

      • JackNapper

        @Don DeHoff
         You’re absolutely correct; any apology to you would simply validate in your mind that you are in any way correct about your staunch support of an absolutely intolerable violation of the 4th Amendment (regardless of your “reams of case studies” for which there is only one possible use that I already told you about).  I don’t care what sort of proof you may provide; since Osama can fake a birth certificate then a DD-214 is child’s play.  I am very familiar with this “alinsky” nonsense; I don’t run “rough shod” over anything, I disregard nonsense.
        I am one of the freedom lovers who proudly gave 23 years of my life to protect said freedom….
         
        Your unhealthy trust of the intentions of the federal government is completely at odds with who and what you claim to be, prompting me to disbelieve you as well as anything positive that could possibly be said about TSA (past, present, or future).  Since I am not 80, I do not have time to “visit my local TSA office”. I, quite naturally since I AM a veteran, probably would not believe anything that TSA would have to say in their defense….as you keep repeating, “their very existence” is at stake.  I do not and will not believe anything good about anyone whose “very existence” is to violate the constitution.  Keep your faith in SCOTUS and your reams of paper, they are no longer to be trusted since they upheld Obamacare – their opinions mean nothing to me.
         
        I stand by my previous comments:  TSA is an evil and odious “organization.”  I don’t really care what they may have gone through nor where they want to go.  I, as a patriot, want them GONE.  Their sexual predilictions do not interest me.
         
        Now, as for the solutions you keep whining about; here’s mine: GET rid of and defund TSA.  What, just for sake of politeness, do YOU suggest we do that doesn’t involve the TSA or any other federal agency?
         
        As for “sick:”  You, sir, your obsessive defense of big governmental agencies, your “suspicion” of normal, everyday working folks…..THAT’S sick!

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapperJack. your comment, from the bottom up. You indicate I have “suspicions” of normal everyday working folks. I recall it was you and a handful ofthers that have declared the TSA as a “house of perverts”. I have made no other references to everyday working folks other than to say there is a “handful” of people like you who are making mountains out of mole hills.. Get rid of TSA?— and replace them with what or who?—-or as some of “you” have said, ” blown up airliners are  the price we have to pay for freedom”. I am sorry, but there has to be a better solutiuon than that, but I never see a single copnstructive suggestion from any of you. For your 2nd to last paragraph, I suggest several of us actually go visit an airport TSA office and ask for a briefing. Although you don’t like for me to use the phrase, “I suspect,” we all will be surprised. You want them “gone”. I maintain they cannot “go” until there is a viable alternative that will prevent bombs from getting on airplanes. I do not trust the Federal Government, particularly the present administration and our congress. There is someting “massive” in the works, that appears to have congress and the courts shaking in their boots. And, I am 80 years young, but I put in a 50-60 hour work week, attempting to finish a book, before by time-card expires—-the subject matter is the Muslim/Islamic fiasco, our present government and now at least a chapter on “mental masturbation” and the likes of those who have contracted that very contagious disease.—and yes, there is an “Alinsky” chapter. I have commented at length concerning the TSA and its growth problems, and I won’t repeat it here. I have no reason to doubt your 23 years of service to our country, but at the same time I can understand (but not accept) your feeling that I might “fake” a DD Form 214. How about, if I get the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, in London, K, to send  you  a letter, documenting my service? Being retired, of course you know, it will take about 30 days for them to respond. Also, I have no more faith in the SCOTUS, than you do, and the problem is going to get worse during the next 4-years, but in the meantime, we cannot ignore all of the existing court decisions, much as we would like to. And very important, do not ignore the “Alinsky”: issues, as that is one of the foundation blocks of the present administration. Find time to visit a TSA office and i will do the same. There has to be a far better solution to the TSA problem, than just disbanding it. In spite of what you have stated, I don’t believe you could live with yourself if an airliner gets  blown up as a result of your proposed  relaxed standards.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff
           There IS no 100% “viable solution” for keeping bombs off of planes. That said, since there is no way to prevent airliners from blowing up, let’s at least do away with this ridiculous abomination (TSA’s success rate is highly questionable, past, present, future) NOW.  As an extremely successful terrorist (Pancho Villa) is reputed to have said:  “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.”
          I may have given the impression that I consider the TSA to be all a bunch of perverts and that is a bit much.  There are probably a few that aren’t…..and as far as visiting them and asking for a briefing: Not that I really care what they could possibly have to say, but, they’re not going to tell you, me, or anyone else anything that you wouldn’t expect them to say.  And they’ll throw you out on your ear if you “question” anything they say.
          I resolutely refuse to even entertain the possibility that TSA has any reason to exist; violation of any part of the Bill of Rights by the government, for ANY reason, likewise.
          I DO agree with you 100% on one thing:  Under the current administration, if there is not enough active resistance things will be worse than they currently are for at least the next four years.  Personally, I see many parallels with today’s America and 1930′s Germany…I believe that Obama and his minions will attempt some sort of coup; destruction of our rights being their #1 priority.  Therefore, ANY defeat or setback for them is a victory for America.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JackNapperJack, progress is being made. We managed to disagree, in a civil and codial manner—and both of us came out on the plus side–”I suspect” there will be  applause all over the network. I trust  “others” are paying attention.  I will however, attempt to.get a briefing from the TSA people at the Colorado Springs, Co. airport and keep the readers posted.  I would also add that your approach “fits you” and perhaps others,  but in doing so, you (or “we) could well be getting “other people”  killed who don’t support either of our positions.  “Unreasonable” searches, like “beauty”,  is in the eyes of the beholder (or those who might get killed).  With a little luck, perhaps our verbal jousting will get the attention of the TSA  hierarchy and we will see some positive changes. Thanks.

        • William Wallace

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper Wow, this post shows how off the reservation you are.  Unreasonable searches is judged using an objective standard of what is REASONABLE and a local district court can set the standard and the US Supreme Court can set the standard for the whole country.  Beauty is subjective and always will be and has nothing to do with any court.
           
          You have zero understanding of the Constitution and the law, that is plain to see.

        • Don DeHoff

          @William Wallace  @JackNapper”William”, while we may disagree, I appreciate your overall civil tone. I am sure the courts are going to rule the program “reaonable”, though very invasive, just as a blanket “quarantine”would be for an outbreak of some serious disease. I acknoweldge the present program is, in effect an undeclared, select area of “martial law” wherein laws can be temporarily set aside and perhaps the program should have been approached in that manner. I trust you will agree that bombing attempts will occur if all inspections are lifted. True, we cannot stop all attempts but just one would be worth the time, effort, and invasive techniques used.. And, I was not using “beauty” as a legal issue, but just as a rough analogy. And, my several copies of our Constitution, are all “well worn”, along with the Federalist Papers and reams of court decisions and admittedly, like most, with varying degrees of ignorance on my part. Unfortunatly, most people think our Constitution “stands alone” with its verbage. Yet there are many clearly stated requirments for both congress and the states to provide appropriate legislation to implement the provisions of that document. Then, there are tons of court decisions and “case law” that further add to the confusion—and there are still many new “opinions” as to what is what and who is on first. Only scholars , Judges  and other “legal beagles” trained in this area, can sort out the issues, and surely not we little people on the street. This final point is, unlike most people, I “know that which I do not know”. On the other hand, it is usually we “little people” who start the “ball rolling” when our lives are being trampled upon.

        • William Wallace

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper I try to remain civil but not when people start saying that Constitutional rights are subjective and subject to interpretation.  That is the first step in how the courts have messed up since Marbury v. Madison.  Judicial review is not interpreting the Constitution.  It is interpreting laws within the context of the Constitution, using it as the framework and parameters to set the boundaries of laws passed in this country.
           
          If a court can interpret the very document that grants itself charter, then what would be the check and balance on the court itself to interpret away any limitations upon itself?  That makes zero sense.  The court is bound by the plain words of the Constitution and any “interpretation” thereof, comes from the Federalist Papers and discussions of intent of the Founders when they wrote the document, no more, no less.
           
          As to TSA, you are resorting to the same method of argument used by all the Alinskyites and Progressives.  It’s either big government or it’s nihilism and everyone dies.  It’s the same argument used for having public education and healthcare and everything else that used to be up to the private concerns.  People got along fine without big government for ages but now all of a sudden, if you are against the government doing something, you don’t want it done.  That is not the case.
           
          There are better methods for airline safety than what we do.  We are bound too much by government bureaucracy and political correctness to do what needs to be done for safety.  Look at the Israelis, and how efficient they made air travel, and how much safer they are, than we are, without all the problems caused by the TSA.

        • Don DeHoff

          @William Wallace  @JackNapper”William”, I cannot argue with most of your post, except for the last as concerns the Israelis. That nice  little country is about the size and population  of New Jersey and we have a least a dozen cities here in the U.S. where their airports screen more passangers daily than Israel does in months, perhaps all year. Not ony that the Israelis have developed almost a 6th sense for rooting out terrorists,  which we probably  cannot duplicate due to the size and complexity of our problem. And to set the record straight I am a lifetime Republican, constitutionalist, anti administration, union and Islam, but there are areas in which government should and could be of great assistence—and this terrorist issue is well beyond local control—and I cannot accept some of the commentes” approachs that an occasional “blowing up of an airliner is the price we must pay for freedom”—that borders on the insane and could well be the “trigger” for WW-III.

        • VeeDub

          @William Wallace  @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          William Wallace:  THANK YOU!
           
          I was warned about Donnie boy, but didn’t realize just how far out there he is.  It’s a brick wall that is impervious to common sense, fact or logic.

        • William Wallace

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper Zero acts of terrorism should be acceptable and we should not let political correctness or any fear of any groups deter us from the mission.
           
          Why would TSA be searching infirm elders and babies but let adult male Muslims or females in bhurkas walk right by without inspction?  They can’t “profile” and have to make sure they are random to the point where they have to actively search out people to search who don’t fit any profile to search, like the elderly infirm or babies and diapers and formula in bottles.
           
          Go after the people you are supposed to go after.  Profile what you are looking for and go after it.  That’s called good police work, it’s what you are supposed to do.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
         
        Jack have you noticed how many times Donnie boy has accused us of being trolls?
         
        Isn’t it odd that HE is on a CONSERVATIVE, ANTI-BIG GOVERNMENT site, trolling as the (almost) LONE defender of the TSA perversions this article complained about?
         
        HE stands alone and offers no solutions, only his Utopic dreams and imaginary what if scenarios.  Demanding we give him solutions.
         
        He stands alone defending the actions of perverts, while basically accusing us of being the perverts.
         
        He stands alone defending violating the Constitution while claiming to be a Constitutionalist.
         
        He has yet to post one single reference to ANYTHING supporting his comments here.
         
        He accuses us of “obnoxious responses” yet brings up masturbation over and over again.
         
        What does masturbation have to do with any comment here Donnie boy?  Oh wait, I see it goes hand in hand with TSA perversions!
         
        He accuses us of changing the subject, while he brings up his military service, race and other issues that don’t go with this subject.
         
        He says there are hundreds of people reading this and laughing at US, so I ask, Why is it NONE of them have chimed in to back up his fantasy musings?
         
        The true troll here is the one that keeps bringing up hyperbole, based on nothing but it’s imagination and fears.
         
        Don, your ability to maintain diarrhea of the fingers, without end for weeks has been noted.  But we’ve also noted your posts are void of any fact, logical thinking, or basis on the actualities of the real world.  Your unending ramblings point you out with an array Klieg lights as THE troll!!!
         
        You are the troll Extraordinaire on this forum.  You haven’t been man enough to admit you  have nothing of verifiable substance to contribute, are you man enough to admit you’re trolling?  I doubt it.
         
        If you are in your 80′s, then perhaps your defense is for a son or other family member you have, that is a TSA pervert.  Maybe they are supplying you with your material to fuel your “mental masturbation”!
         
        Why on earth would I be civil to a troll like Donnie boy?  HE IS THE ENEMY!  What he stands for and fights for is ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL!
         
        Donnie boy’s comments here prove he supports one of the exact things our Forefathers fought to protect us from and warn us about.
         
        Perhaps, if we can believe anything he’s said, in his youth he was a patriotic American service member.  But today, his actions, words and support for these unconstitutional searches is unpatriotic.
         
        A true Patriot, would never change their patriotism and fight against the Constitution they once swore to defend.  A troll would though!  Especially one being paid to post liberal/socialist crap on a conservative site!

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper”Vee”, While I don’t know for sure,  “I suspect” you are either one very sick person or you are a paid or volunteer “Alinskyite”. Your aimless off-subject verbal rambling is not worthy of a detailed response.. You even intermix the meanings of “troll” and trolling. See my post to “JackNapper”. I am positive he will not be “shaking your hand” if and  when the next airliner  is blown up.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          Again, you don’t suspect anything because YOU are CLUELESS.
           
          Click on the links. Click on the pictures. And then do what you do best.
           
          http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/knowyourrights?source=em20101122NOTNEW&subsource=flier
           
          http://www.examiner.com/article/know-your-travel-rights-tsa-violates

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          Unsafe Skies? TSA Missed 6 out of 10 ‘Bombs’
           
          Security screeners at two of the nation’s busiest airports failed to find fake bombs hidden on undercover agents posing as passengers in more than 60% of tests last year, according to a classified report obtained by USA TODAY.
           
          Screeners at Los Angeles International Airport missed about 75% of simulated explosives and bomb parts that Transportation Security Administration testers hid under their clothes or in carry-on bags at checkpoints, the TSA report shows.
           
          http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3746204&page=1

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          Don the troll wrote that flying was essential in our capitalist society.  So why does he support actions that have proven to hinder that necessary freedom?
           
          Moving across borders and air travel can bring to light issues and problems not regularly dealt with prior to 9/11. Placement on TSA No Fly List, prolonged and frequent detentions crossing borders, and seizure of goods and monies when entering the country by Customs officials can be a source of not only frustration, but of curtailment of one’s freedom of movement and ability to travel. It may place in jeopardy one’s livelihood if international travel is an element of one’s job or profession. For US and non-US citizens alike, challenges in travel are issues under the rubric of national security law.
           
          The crossing of borders is a unique area of law enforcement where the standard rules of constitutional rights are significantly curtailed.
           
          http://www.prolegaldefense.com/National-Security/TSA-Violations.shtml

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           TSA creating all new watch list for Americans
          Published: 04 December, 2012,
          http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-watch-list-fly-275/

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           Elderly Woman Claims TSA Agents Strip-Searched Her Dec. 05, 2011
          http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/05/elderly-woman-claims-tsa-agents-strip-searched-her/

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          TSA Strip-Search ‘Humiliated’ Texas Grandmother Seeking Medical Treatment
          Posted: 07/19/2012
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/texas-grandmother-humiliated-tsa-strip-search_n_1686533.html

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          TSA Responds to “Strip Search” Video of Boy
          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20023553-503544.html

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           TSA Agents Strip-Search Woman, Fiddle with Feeding Tube Family files formal complaint with TSA, city of Dallas Thursday, Jul 19, 2012
           
          http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/TSA-Agents-Allegedly-Strip-Search-Woman-Fiddle-With-Feeding-Tube-162985046.html

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          TSA strip-searches 85-year-old woman in wheelchair
           
          Monday, December 05, 2011 http://www.naturalnews.com/034323_National_Organization_for_Women_TSA_illegal_searches.html
           
          Don the troll, I’ve given you several links to factual evidence that the TSA is out of control, violates our Constitutional RIGHTS and is most likely guilty of criminal felonies.
           
          I’ve also given you factual evidence to PROVE that the TSA has a 60% failure rate on finding fake bombs.  All of these stories are new!  They are NOT from the first days when the perverts organized into their own little criminal society.
           
          I’m still waiting for you “Don the troll” to give us any FACTS on ANYTHING you have posted.  If you can’t post facts, then you’ve posted nothing but dreams and lies.  Oh and liberal/socialist/democrat hyperbole, like most trolls are paid to do.
           
          The Constitution is quite clear.  If you don’t understand how your liberal/progressive/socialist/democrat party has worked since the 60s to get those reams of legal “opinions” inserted to make the Constitution read the way they want it to, then, what little credit I gave you, was too much. 
           
          Unless of course you do understand it, and are just posting your trollish best to try and deceive us.  It won’t work.  And you obviously are not what you pretend to be.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper”Vee…,” thanks, but no thanks for the handful of “problems”, you have brought to our attention.  I did not “open” any of them in that  several were “flagged” by my computer as being “suspecious”. Next, I have never suggested you or “Jack” are “trolls”,  You intermix the various meanings of that word and the result is “gibberish”. Most importantly, you seem  to not realize there are tens of thousands of screenings everyday. and like all large endeavers that involve people, there will be some excesses, some so serious they need to be investigated—-as in the medical field, wherein a “wrong leg” gets amputated or in the judicial system where an innocent person goes to the gas chamber. My main disagreement with you is I never see any viable alternatives or suggestions on how to improve the process, other  than “stop it”. That  defies logic, reason and common sense. The TSA knows that there are groups out there that have no qualms about using children, the elderly or families, to do their dirty work and or inserting explosives in body cavities or surgically. These issues are so obvious that I am forced to believe you have a hidden agenda, other than the Fourth Amendment. And, once again, let us all go to our nearest airport that has a TSA office and ask for a briefing and a chance to observe.. I think all of us would come away with a far better feeling for the facts and the improvements needed—-as opposed to letting a few hundred people get blown up to make your point about  “rights and freedom”.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  Vee, my 75 years-young “child-bride” just ponted out to me that most all of your  cited “cases” were 6 months to 2 years old. Again, keep in mind the TSA was formed almost overnight, without adequate proceedural guidlines and personnel selection standards. And, while they obviously have made significant strides in improving their operation, their is still and always will be room for continued improvement.  I recall “Jack” alluded to that some time ago.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           Another misleading lie!  The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001.
           
          Originally part of the United States Department of Transportation, the TSA was moved to the Department of Homeland Security on March 9, 2003.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
           
          It most certainly NOT a new organization still a fledgling baby.  It’s been around over 11 years.  Just how long do you give a failure to keep failing?
           
          You post no facts, just the ramblins of a senile old troll, that refuses to admit he’s been proven wrong!

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          You wrote. “” Next, I have never suggested you or “Jack” are “trolls”, ”
           
          Don;  It’s now time to call a spade a spade.  Or in this case let’s stick with coward and liar!
           
          YOU posted numerous times that we were posting off topic and were either paid to post here or were working in cahoots trying to control the conversation.
           
          I quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted.”
           
           YOU most certainly DID call us trolls, maybe not directly by name, but by definition.  LIAR  ! ! !
           
          Next you posted that you Did not “open” any of them in that several were “flagged” by my computer as being “suspecious”.
           
          “suspecious?? I guess you meant “suspicious”.  You’re writing a book and don’t know how to use the spell check? Can’t wait to buy that one!
           
          MOST all of the links are from reputable NEWS agencies. Including CBS, NBC and the Huffington Post.  They did not flag as suspicious on my computer and I have the 2013 Norton Internet security plus 360. NONE of them were flagged by it or my AVG program.   LIAR  ! ! !
           
          Tell the truth Don, YOU are a coward that does not WANT to know the truth or learn anything.  YOU are THE troll and a LIAR  ! ! !
           
          It’s a waste of time point it out to you again. Maybe your Alzheimers won’t let you remember I’ve asked you to post a reference to prove ANYTHING you’ve spewed here.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper”Vee”, typical “Alinsky-101. I am of the opinion that “truth  and facts” can never be blasphemy, slander, racist or a hate issue”. To that I now add, “or being called a “Troll”. Also, you also need  to look up the definition of “liar”.  And,  you constantly digress from the subject at hand and ridicule those who misspell a word, dangle a modifyer or two or split an infinitive. My “spell-check” works well on my “word” program, but I have never learned how to use it in  this process—–for which, according to you, I will be probably be condemed to  “Hades”. That is also why one contracts with a good editor. To me, it is obvious when one has to resort to such tactics they are either sick or are intentionally trying to divert  the readers’ attention from the real issues at hand.  And sir, your reference to some of those  “reputable” news agencies, causes me some pause, as to your true alliances. I confess, using you “slang” definition of “Troll”,  perhaps makes us both trolls. Now, can we get back to the subject matter at hand?

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Don wrote:  “I did not “open” any of them in that several were “flagged” by my computer as being “suspecious”.
           
          Please explain to us Don, how it is that your computer “flagged” them all at once.  Your computer flagged “several” so that stopped you from opening “any” of them?????????? 
           
          So you clicked on all of the links at once?  You see, your computer won’t flag a link on a page, it can only flag a link you’ve clicked on. 
          Your computer won’t even flag a link you copy and paste.  It will only give warning, once your computer has actually gone to that site and the site has sent something back to your computer’s anti-virus program that warns of a threat.
           
          I have one of the best programs there is, plus AVG.  When I go to a site that my virus detects, it simply kicks me off of the page and prevents it from loading.  Then it tells me what it did, no warning, it just reacts.  NONE of the links I gave you were flagged or blocked by my virus program.
           
          Therefore, you DID NOT click on them, your computer DID NOT flag them, you simply ignored them.
           
          We are not gullible enough to believe that your computer virus program flagged the websites of  ABC, CBS, NBC, USA or the Huffington Post.  Those are all recognized as professional, Main Stream Medial news outlets. We are not stupid enough to believe a law firm would have viruses on their site either. I’m sure they’d like to be drug into court for that.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs and opinions!  Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Let’s look at just a few of Don’s comments bordering somewhere between being self pompous, senile or narcissistic.
           
          ” I am of the opinion”, “To me, it is obvious” , “I am sure “, “I suspect”, “I trust “, “I maintain “, “I have no reason “,
          “I have commented at length “, “I don’t believe you “.
           
          The most prevalent of these are “I suspect, I maintain, I am of the opinion and I don’t believe you”.
           
           His posts are rife with these terms. And it points out his problem (one of). Don is hung up on Don, Don has all of the answers, Don knows everything on the topic, and Don won’t ever change his mind about what he “believes”, “suspects”, or “maintains”. Don’s “opinions” are the only answer.
           
          YOU have rationalized in YOUR mind, that they ONLY way to keep terrorists from blowing up our planes and killing people is to allow the rights of the people to be violated by a government agency, that has a proven track record of perversion, failure and missed safety violations.  Sadly, your rationalization is wrong and not based on factual circumstances.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs, and opinions!  Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Geez Don, you must really be impressed with yourself. You write blah, blah, blah, over and over and over again. I’m still waiting for one factual reference to prove your blathering diatribes that we can’t live without the TSA.
           
          I digress from the conversation???  Seriously??? 
           Let’s see, how does your “combat” record pertain to the conversation?  How does your writing a book pertain to the topic? 
          How does where you do your spell checking or hiring a good editor deal with the “issues at hand? 
          What does your wife’s age have to do with anything Don? 
          Why do we care you’ve “misplaced” military documents (that most Veterans make dozens of copies of to make sure they have them for themselves and their survivors)? 
           
          Who brought up all of that superfluous crap, Don?  YOU, YES YOU DID!
           
          In case you haven’t figured it out yet (we ALL have) YOU are guilty of everything you accuse us of.  YOU go off topic, YOU rant, YOU write volumes…. Yet YOU have not provided the first shred of, evidence. 
           
          Why can’t you back up what you say?  WE all know why.
          Just because you write volumes does not mean you are correct. 
          Just because you write verbosely does not mean you have PROVEN ANY point. 
          Just because your wordiness is a glaring canker sore, it does not mean you have posted fact based information. 
          Just because you write volumes does not mean you know ANYTHING about which you !
           
          Your battology of opinions, beliefs, and assertions lack grace, energy and style.  Your book should be a hoot.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs, and opinions!
          Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Don, you wrote “according to you, I will be probably be condemed to “Hades”.  
           
          Please show me where I wrote anything even close that.  If you can’t then, we’ll all know that comment by you, is also a lie.
           
          Oh by the way, it’s condemned not “condemed”.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs, and opinions! Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          “I never see any viable alternatives or suggestions”  Look at what you wrote Don.
           
          “””YOU””” never “”see””.  We’ve given you dozens on here, but just like going to the website of ABC, CBS, NBC, USA or the Huffington Post, you post excuses instead of learning. 
           
          Those are all recognized as major Main Stream Medial news outlets.
           
          You either didn’t want to see what was there, or you saw and didn’t like what you saw, so you chose to ignore and lie about it.  Typical of progressive/liberal/socialist/democrat students of Alinsky, like you. 
           
          You don’t like what we’ve offered, and it goes against what you’ve been told to believe so you ridicule, argue, deny and lie.
           
          Give us some facts Don, just the facts, and keep the crap for those who are impressed with your endless reams of useless hyperbole.
           
          Let me quote YOU again; “As the Alinsky method, requires you to ignore such requests and “move on” to other outlandish statements”.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs, and opinions!
           
          Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.
           
          “Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty.” ~ Benjamin Franklin

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Don, while you’re out taking tours of your perverted TSA buddies or family, and letting them “educate” you on their methods, perhaps you’ll visit with some of the law abiding citizens who have been strip searched in public. 
           
          Perhaps you’d like to visit the law abiding women who’ve had fingers shoved inside of them by TSA perverts guilty of rape by instrumentation, which is illegal in all 50 states.
           
          Perhaps you’ll go visit the law abiding citizens who’ve had to suffer the humiliation of having their diapers or medical devices removed in public.
           
          Perhaps you’ll go visit the law abiding mothers who were forced to stand by and do nothing while their children screamed in terror as stranger ran their hands all over them and inside their clothing.
           
          Then perhaps you’ll do an interview with some of the passengers of a flight that the TSA found a bomb on.  Tell us again how many bombings they’ve actually stopped… With references of course to prove you’re not lying.
           
          And before you even start your oft repeated claim the TSA was formed overnight, yadda, yadda, yadda,  The TSA was formed on Nov 19, 2001.  This is January 2013! (thought I’d make sure you knew that).
           
          The TSA has had 12 (twelve) years to get their stuff together.  Twelve years to learn how to do things better.  Twelve years to evolve and learn how to do their jobs better and LEGALLY!
           
          How long are you planning on defending their failures and perversions?  Seems like forever.
           
          “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~ Benjamin Franklin

        • VeeDub

          Baggage theft;
           
          The TSA has been criticized[192] for an increase in baggage theft after its inception. Reported thefts include both valuable and dangerous goods, such as laptops, jewelry[193] guns,[194] and knives.[195] Such thefts have raised concerns that the same access might allow bombs to be placed aboard aircraft.[196]
           
          In 2004, over 17,000 claims of baggage theft were reported.[193] As of 2004, 60 screeners had been arrested for baggage theft,[193] a number which had grown to 200 screeners by 2008.[197] 11,700 theft and damage claims were reported to the TSA in 2009, a drop from 26,500 in 2004, which was attributed to the installation of cameras and conveyor belts in airports.[198]
           
          As of 2011, the TSA employs about 60,000 screeners in total (counting both baggage and passenger screening)[199] and approximately 500 TSA agents have been fired or suspended for stealing from passenger luggage since the agency’s creation in November 2001. The most affected airports are in the New York area – John F. Kennedy International Airport JFK, LaGuardia Airport LGA and Newark Liberty International Airport EWR.[200]
           
          In 2008 an investigative report by WTAE in Pittsburgh discovered that despite over 400 reports of baggage theft, about half of which the TSA reimbursed passengers for, not a single arrest had been made.[7] The TSA does not, as a matter of policy, share baggage theft reports with local police departments.[7]
           
          In September 2012, ABC News interviewed former TSA agent Pythias Brown, who has admitted to stealing more than $800,000 worth of items during his employment with the agency. Brown stated that it was “very convenient to steal” and poor morale within the agency is what causes agents to steal from passengers.[201]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
          Passenger John Tyner refused a pat-down in a videotaped encounter, famously telling security personnel “If you touch my junk I’m gonna have you arrested.” This phrase was commonly paraphrased as “Don’t touch my junk”.[121][132]A breast cancer survivor was forced to remove her prosthetic breast.[133][134]A bladder cancer survivor had his urostomy bag seal broken during a pat-down, leaving him soaked in urine.[135]A woman with a hip replacement was singled out for pat down.[136]A rape survivor was distressed by a pat-down that she described as feeling like being sexually assaulted again.[137]A 3-year-old child was distressed by surrendering her teddy bear and being subject to a pat-down.[138]An eight-year-old boy was patted down on his genital area.[139][140]A woman claims that she was selected for additional screening by a male TSA worker for the size of her breasts.[141]A woman claims to have been harassed and detained inordinately by multiple TSA agents over a container of saved human breast milk, and was told by a police officer that the TSA agents targeted her due to her previous complaints.[142]A woman claims that she was patted down because the body scanner revealed her sanitary towel.[143]A woman was arrested, strip searched, and charged with assault when she argued with several TSA agents over trying to pass applesauce through security for her elderly mother, despite being told by another TSA agent that it was permitted to bring the applesauce on the flight.[144]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
          Actress and model Donna D’Errico claims that a TSA agent selected her to go through an extra search and justified his choice by saying “Because you caught my eye”.[145]Former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura, who had set off metal detectors at airport security checkpoints due to having a titanium implant from a hip replacement, filed a lawsuit against both the TSA and Department of Homeland Security in January 2011 after he was subject to pat-downs. Ventura’s attorney stated he did not want monetary compensation but that the TSA end future pat-downs on him and an acknowledgement that his rights were violated.[146] However, in November 2011, Ventura’s lawsuit was dismissed.[147]On May 7, 2011 an 8-month-old baby was patted down at Kansas City International Airport after traces of explosive material were detected on his stroller.[148]On June 26, 2011 during a pat-down, a 95-year-old leukemia patient in a wheelchair was forced to remove her diaper.[149]On December 21, 2011, the TSA in Las Vegas confiscated a cupcake packed in a glass jar from a Massachusetts woman, Rebecca Hains, who had been permitted to bring the same cupcake on a flight from Boston to Las Vegas the previous week. Hains said, “The TSA at Logan Airport said the cupcakes looked delicious. … But in Las Vegas, they were dangerous. They shouldn’t be delicious in one part of the country and a security threat in the other.”[150] Two weeks later, the TSA responded on their blog, writing that the cupcake “had a thick layer of icing inside a jar. … In general, cakes and pies are allowed in carry-on luggage”.[151] Hains wrote to The Consumerist that “the TSA post was slightly misleading” about the amount of icing in the jar. Including a photo of the same kind of cupcake from the same bakery, she added, “If the TSA says cakes and cupcakes are safe to fly, there should be no caveat saying, ‘oh, um, unless it’s conforming to the shape of a container, like a glass jar!’”[152]Senator Rand Paul missed a flight after he refused to undergo a pat down after an anomaly was spotted during a TSA body scan. The TSA agents would not allow him to attempt another body scan. He re-booked on another flight and went through the scanner without incident.[153]A Hawaii traveler was not allowed onto her flight until she demonstrated that the breast pump she had in her luggage was real to a TSA agent. The woman subsequently was forced to use the device in the woman’s bathroom rather than in a more private place, an ordeal she described as making her feel “embarrassed and humiliated.” The TSA has apologized and has said that the agent in question will receive remedial training.[154]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
          Passenger John Tyner refused a pat-down in a videotaped encounter, famously telling security personnel “If you touch my junk I’m gonna have you arrested.” This phrase was commonly paraphrased as “Don’t touch my junk”.[121][132] A breast cancer survivor was forced to remove her prosthetic breast.[133][134] A bladder cancer survivor had his urostomy bag seal broken during a pat-down, leaving him soaked in urine.[135] A woman with a hip replacement was singled out for pat down.[136] A rape survivor was distressed by a pat-down that she described as feeling like being sexually assaulted again.[137] A 3-year-old child was distressed by surrendering her teddy bear and being subject to a pat-down.[138] An eight-year-old boy was patted down on his genital area.[139][140] A woman claims that she was selected for additional screening by a male TSA worker for the size of her breasts.[141] A woman claims to have been harassed and detained inordinately by multiple TSA agents over a container of saved human breast milk, and was told by a police officer that the TSA agents targeted her due to her previous complaints.[142] A woman claims that she was patted down because the body scanner revealed her sanitary towel.[143] A woman was arrested, strip searched, and charged with assault when she argued with several TSA agents over trying to pass applesauce through security for her elderly mother, despite being told by another TSA agent that it was permitted to bring the applesauce on the flight.[144]
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
          Passenger John Tyner refused a pat-down in a videotaped encounter, famously telling security personnel “If you touch my junk I’m gonna have you arrested.” This phrase was commonly paraphrased as “Don’t touch my junk”.[121][132] A breast cancer survivor was forced to remove her prosthetic breast.[133][134] A bladder cancer survivor had his urostomy bag seal broken during a pat-down, leaving him soaked in urine.[135] A woman with a hip replacement was singled out for pat down.[136] A rape survivor was distressed by a pat-down that she described as feeling like being sexually assaulted again.[137] A 3-year-old child was distressed by surrendering her teddy bear and being subject to a pat-down.[138] An eight-year-old boy was patted down on his genital area.[139][140] A woman claims that she was selected for additional screening by a male TSA worker for the size of her breasts.[141] A woman claims to have been harassed and detained inordinately by multiple TSA agents over a container of saved human breast milk, and was told by a police officer that the TSA agents targeted her due to her previous complaints.[142] A woman claims that she was patted down because the body scanner revealed her sanitary towel.[143] A woman was arrested, strip searched, and charged with assault when she argued with several TSA agents over trying to pass applesauce through security for her elderly mother, despite being told by another TSA agent that it was permitted to bring the applesauce on the flight.[144]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @JackNapper
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
           
          Passenger John Tyner refused a pat-down in a videotaped encounter, famously telling security personnel “If you touch my junk I’m gonna have you arrested.” This phrase was commonly paraphrased as “Don’t touch my junk”.[121][132]
           
          A breast cancer survivor was forced to remove her prosthetic breast.[133][134]
           
          A bladder cancer survivor had his urostomy bag seal broken during a pat-down, leaving him soaked in urine.[135]
           
          A woman with a hip replacement was singled out for pat down.[136]
           
          A rape survivor was distressed by a pat-down that she described as feeling like being sexually assaulted again.[137]
           
          A 3-year-old child was distressed by surrendering her teddy bear and being subject to a pat-down.[138]
           
          An eight-year-old boy was patted down on his genital area.[139][140]
          A woman claims that she was selected for additional screening by a male TSA worker for the size of her breasts.[141]
           
          A woman claims to have been harassed and detained inordinately by multiple TSA agents over a container of saved human breast milk, and was told by a police officer that the TSA agents targeted her due to her previous complaints.[142]
           
          A woman claims that she was patted down because the body scanner revealed her sanitary towel.[143]
           
          A woman was arrested, strip searched, and charged with assault when she argued with several TSA agents over trying to pass applesauce through security for her elderly mother, despite being told by another TSA agent that it was permitted to bring the applesauce on the flight.[144]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
           
          Actress and model Donna D’Errico claims that a TSA agent selected her to go through an extra search and justified his choice by saying “Because you caught my eye”.[145]
           
          Former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura, who had set off metal detectors at airport security checkpoints due to having a titanium implant from a hip replacement, filed a lawsuit against both the TSA and Department of Homeland Security in January 2011 after he was subject to pat-downs. Ventura’s attorney stated he did not want monetary compensation but that the TSA end future pat-downs on him and an acknowledgement that his rights were violated.[146]
           
          On May 7, 2011 an 8-month-old baby was patted down at Kansas City International Airport after traces of explosive material were detected on his stroller.[148]
           
          On June 26, 2011 during a pat-down, a 95-year-old leukemia patient in a wheelchair was forced to remove her diaper.[149]
           
           On December 21, 2011, the TSA in Las Vegas confiscated a cupcake packed in a glass jar from a Massachusetts woman, Rebecca Hains, who had been permitted to bring the same cupcake on a flight from Boston to Las Vegas the previous week. Hains said, “The TSA at Logan Airport said the cupcakes looked delicious. … But in Las Vegas, they were dangerous. They shouldn’t be delicious in one part of the country and a security threat in the other.”[150]
           
          Two weeks later, the TSA responded on their blog, writing that the cupcake “had a thick layer of icing inside a jar. … In general, cakes and pies are allowed in carry-on luggage”.[151]
           
           Hains wrote to The Consumerist that “the TSA post was slightly misleading” about the amount of icing in the jar. Including a photo of the same kind of cupcake from the same bakery, she added, “If the TSA says cakes and cupcakes are safe to fly, there should be no caveat saying, ‘oh, um, unless it’s conforming to the shape of a container, like a glass jar!’”[152]
           
          Senator Rand Paul missed a flight after he refused to undergo a pat down after an anomaly was spotted during a TSA body scan. The TSA agents would not allow him to attempt another body scan. He re-booked on another flight and went through the scanner without incident.[153]
           
          A Hawaii traveler was not allowed onto her flight until she demonstrated that the breast pump she had in her luggage was real to a TSA agent. The woman subsequently was forced to use the device in the woman’s bathroom rather than in a more private place, an ordeal she described as making her feel “embarrassed and humiliated.” The TSA has apologized and has said that the agent in question will receive remedial training.[154]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
           
          In March 2012, a three-year-old in a wheelchair was selected for an invasive pat down. The child was visibly trembling and asking for comfort from his parents, but the TSA agents refused to allow the child’s parents near him. The incident was recorded on video and became viral within hours.
           
          In April 2012, a four-year-old girl was subjected to a full body pat-down after she hugged her grandmother during processing at an airport security checkpoint. TSA agents suspected that the grandmother had passed a handgun to the girl during the brief hug. The 4 year old’s treatment by TSA agents allegedly caused her great distress.[155]
           
          On April 18, 2012 an elderly couple reported that they were groped by TSA screeners and robbed of $300 during the incident. Omer Petti, a retired Air Force Major, said that he and companion Madge Woodward were taken to a private room and suffered humiliating searches. When released they discovered that $300 was missing from their bin. TSA responded that the checkpoint video was too blurry to reveal who stole their money.[156]
           
          Also in April 2012, Congressman Francisco Canseco stated he was assaulted in the San Antonio Airport by a TSA agent. Conseco stated that the agent attempted to grab his genitals. In response, Conseco moved the agents hand away. Conseco says that the incident demonstrates changes in airport security are needed.[157]
           
          In April 2012, a seven-year-old with cerebral palsy was singled out for a pat down, and then the family was called back to the screening area almost an hour after getting through security because the TSA could not determine how to properly screen the person. Subsequently, the family missed their flight. The father of the 7 year old referred to the TSA agents as “rude” and said that the agent started yelling at him when he asked that she introduce herself to his daughter to make her feel more comfortable.[158]
           
          In May 2012, a Colorado teenager with Type 1 diabetes said she was forced to go through the scanner, despite having a doctor’s note saying that the insulin pump she wore should not go through the machine. During the security screening, the pump was broken, which the passenger blames on TSA agents who had not been properly trained and educated about how to deal with people using pumps like hers.[159]
           
          Also in May 2012, an 18-month old girl was pulled off of a flight after she was misidentified as being on the no-fly list.[160]
           
          Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger received a pat down in May 2012. Freelance reporters covering the incident noted that the TSA agents “did not seem to know who Kissinger was.”[161]
           
          A double amputee veteran who lost his legs fighting in Afghanistan received a pat down that involved agents lifting the man out of his chair “to make sure he did not have anything under his torso.” This incident was witnessed and reported by conservative radio host Laura Ingraham, who described it as “heartbreaking.”[162]
           
          The TSA accused a female traveler of “assault” after the woman demonstrated her pat down procedure on a TSA supervisor. The female traveler was subsequently arrested and charged with misdemeanor battery. The traveler, a former TSA employee, claims that she “did not touch the supervisor as intrusively as she was touched.”[163]
           
          A traveler who was attempting to transport his grandfather’s ashes to Indianapolis had an agent at a Florida airport open the container marked “human remains” and spilling up to a third of the ashes on the terminal floor. The agent reportedly started “laughing” after the spill. The traveler is demanding an apology from the agency.[164]
           
          A deaf Louisville traveler was harassed by the TSA due to his condition, and was referred to by agents as a “dumb deafie.”[165]
           
          In July 2012, a North Texas traveler alleged that his wife was stripped searched by the TSA due to the feeding tube in her stomach. TSA agents also physically handled the tube and swabbed it, which put the woman “at risk of infection.”[166]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Some highly publicized incidents around the screening procedures included:
           
          In October 2012, a breast cancer survivor complained about her treatment during a security check at TSA. She claimed that the pat down made her “feel violated” and that she later “became angry” over what she had to go through, feeling that she had been singled out because of her recent medical procedures. The passenger told ABC that she was never asked whether or not she wanted the pat down to be done in private, as is TSA procedure.[167]
           
           In October 2012, a woman dying of leukemia told ABC News she had been embarrassed by the TSA during an “end of life” trip to Hawaii. The traveler stated that the TSA agents opened her saline bag, contaminating the liquid inside, and denied her request for a private screening. Additionally, the agents forced the traveler to pull back bandages that held her feeding tubes in place.[168]
           
           In November 2012, a woman named Maggie uploaded a video to YouTube describing her experience with the enhanced pat downs. She described the experience as “emotionally and sexually” abusive, especially as she had to undergo the process three times over a supposed “protrusion” an agent found “between her legs.” [169]
           
          In November 2012, a Maine traveler described a TSA screening as humiliating and is calling upon the agency to give more training to agents so that they may properly address people with medical conditions. The woman has large calcium deposits throughout her body. Agents demanded that she show them she was suffering a disease, which she felt was inappropriate.[170]
           
          In November 2012, US Representative Ralph Hall of Texas published an account of his grandniece having her breasts exposed by TSA agents during a pat down. The TSA blamed the girls loose fitting sundress for the “accidental” exposure in their internal report, and took nearly two years to release that report about the incident.[171]
           
           In December 2012, a twelve-year-old was detained after the TSA claimed she tested positive for bomb residue. The girl, who is wheelchair bound due to a bone disease, was traveling to Florida for her treatment. Her mother stated that she was not allowed contact with her daughter, and that the child was “crying” throughout the ordeal.[172]

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          I want you to pay close attention to this one Don.  Put down your Alinsky manual and focus.  IF you can.
           
          In December 2012, a twelve-year-old was detained after the TSA claimed she tested positive for bomb residue. The girl, who is wheelchair bound due to a bone disease, was traveling to Florida for her treatment. Her mother stated that she was not allowed contact with her daughter, and that the child was “crying” throughout the ordeal.[172] 
           
          Remember you said you haven’t seen alternatives? Remember I said they could “sniff out” bomb material?
           
          Well here’s your proof Donnie boy. They DO have other methods, they can sniff out bomb/explosives material.
           
          Even with all of that, they still have to grope women and children??
           
          The TSA (and EVERYONE who supports their actions) are nothing more than PERVERTS.
           
          If you can’t post facts, don’t bother posting anything Don!  We don’t need your opinions, ASSumptions or bloated self opinions of how much you think you know.
           
          Go back to your dream world and write your book.  Oh and Alinksy called, he’s gonna send you an autographed book and picture.

  • JRPPP

    Don-first, i resent any Vet taking a shot at another Vets courage as one of your crtics has done, but i agree with that critic who said you keep saying the same thing over and over again about being formed overnight and improving,etc. You say that there are no alt. but we have suggested several private companies having screening contracted out from airlines or airports..the TSA’s own evaluation says they fail miserably on screening as i pointed out before, but not on intimidation! And you complain about Judge Boltrhead but have this hangup about masturbation

    • VeeDub

      @JRPPP
       
      You are correct! Don I apologize for all of my comments about your service!
       
      And I admit you sucked me in, but no more.
       
      I’m a disabled Combat Veteran who will go to his grave with scars that won’t heal, and shrapnel that can’t be removed. I held my best friend’s head in my lap as he bled out from a bullet would to the head. I’ve seen dozens of my friends killed or wounded.
       
      THAT is no excuse for my comments about Don’s service, but it does explain why I find it so hard to believe than ANY Veteran who has seen battle (on the ground or in the air) can so easily surrender, and allow the Constitution to be trampled.
       
      When we took our oaths, there was no expiration date on them. We swore to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
       
      As Don’s posts seem to prove, he is willing to trade freedom for safety, he has made himself my enemy.

      • Don DeHoff

        @VeeDub  @JRPPP”Vee”, I fully accept your explanation. I was far more fortunate than you in Nam—-occasionaly got shot at, but missed. My only military misfortune was “running out of altitude, airspeed and ideas, all at the same time”, resulting in an accident that almost removed my head as my airplane and I went through a barbwire  secrurity fence. As for the subject at hand, I just don’t want us to have “to start all over again”, with this passenger scanning process. Private firms, out of necessity, will be required to hire at least some of the very people now performing the tasks. and for the most part, at least initially, the same rules will apply, until we find better ways of getting the job done. I refuse to intentionally support exposing  passengers to bomb  hazards, merely to satisfy someone’s unproven  way of thinking and I am sure, if we apply ourselves, we can get the task done with less intrusiveness than is now being employed. It is obvious that we both  have ask “Google” for data. I am  but only part way through that stack of  information. Peace friend!

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR”, Thanks for the “vet” comment. I also appreciate the fact that we merely have a difference of opinion and neither are liars, perverts or whatever. My stand is, this is not only a nation-wide probem, it is world-wide and we need a firm central control over this countries entire network, as to  procedures,  training  and communictions. We already have some cities and airports using their own resources. Private companies, by their very definition are driven by the “profit motive”, and you well know many such type firms frequently have their share of “non-performers” (being polite) and the overall quality of their  personnel  can be affected. Also to “stop dead” the present program would leave a significant “time and training breech” in our scanning program that surely could be exploited. Ask “Google”, “TSA origin and history” and it will take days to  digest it all, keeping in mind they also have their share of “hearsay and innuendo”, but much of that can be weeded out.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff
        Which cities and airports are using their own resources, and what are those resources?
        Who is running then?
        Who is paying for them?
        If those cities and airports have been successful, why can’t the rest of them?
        How many of these airports that you previously fretted would have unregulated and non-standard programs have had a terrorist incident?

        Could you please point us to where there was a study to prove that stopping the present program would leave a significant “time and training breech” in our scanning program?
        And what is the reference material that you have viewed which shows that your claimed scanning program stoppage would “surely be exploited”?

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff 
         
        Which cities and airports are using their own resources, and what are those resources? 
         
        Who is running them?  
         
        Who is paying for them?
         
        If those cities and airports have been successful, why can’t the rest of them? 
         
        How many of these airports that you previously fretted would have unregulated and non-standard programs have had a terrorist incident?
         
        Could you please point us to where there was a study to prove that  stopping the present program would leave a significant “time and training breech” in our scanning program?
         
        And what is the reference material that you have viewed which shows that your claimed scanning program stoppage would “surely be exploited”?

  • JRPPP

    i don’t think anyone here gets anywhere calling each other trolls and liars–the troll label pops up too often and quickly in blogs which means “no one can disagree with ME”

  • JRPPP

    yes, it should be transitioned, and i may have/must hsve missed your response to the absurdity of muslim women gettinga free pass?? Is this true? If so, it points out the futility of having low-risk people atrgeted while hi-risk goes thru?

  • JRPPP

    Don–you still think it is the rogues (likely a minority but not amajority) that are the problem being rehired in private co’s. But the issue many of us have is the Fed motivation here, which is indirect but indirect in aevery pahse of our life from Terrorism prevention to gun control to elec. consumption–there is always a noble purpose but a deceitful underlying objective–i am an environmentalist but my R-wing friends are correct that the enviro movement has been hijacked

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR”, logic would dictate that if the “rogues”(perverts?) have not been identified in the TSA, they will proabbly show up as “clean” in the private sector. I also suspect that there will be a goodly share of both  good and bad applying for private sector jobs. I support you in reducing the size of the Federal and State  governments .However,  I am not sure private companies would “compete” for airport passenger screening contracts in that the private enterprize system appears to have collapsed nation-wide. In the good old days, gas stations would cut prices a penny or even a half cent to get your business. Now, they all look around and “jack-up” their prices to that of the highest in town. I am sure that conceipt would rub-off in the passenger screening fields. I am also concerned that each airline could have its very own process and the travelling public would confused as to who is on first and what is on second. It would be somewhat analogous to every restaurant having its own health standards.

      • JRPPP

        @Don DeHoff Maybe the insurance Co’s wouldbe the enforcers of the private solution

        • Don DeHoff

          @JRPPP”JR” While I thik they would want in input, I suspect their
           participation and influence would be a conflict of interest in that they are the ones that have to “pay out” when lawsites are settled—but then  I am not a lawyer.

  • Don DeHoff

    @VeeDub  @Don”Vee”, ask “google” and spend a day or so reading all of their material—the answers are there—”Founding and History of TSA”.  You obviously won’t take my word for “it”.

  • Don DeHoff

    Site moderators, are you asleep at the switch? I suspect you obviously have a seriously ill commenter, who is determined  to repeat all of the information posted by Google and the other search engines on this issue, Ask that search engine, “Origin and history of the TSA”, and it will provide, both “pro & con”, comments from the TSAs very early days up  until now. True, like the off-subject and obnoxious commenter, some will be merely hearsay or innuendo  which we all must try to “weed out”. And, everyone should keep in mind, the TSA conducts tens of thousands of screenings every day, and yes mistakes are made, but by and large, the consensus is they are getting more professional as time goes by, and logic, reason and common sense dictates they are not “staffed with perverts”. Although the TSA has been around for years, they have not gotten deep into the scannig business until just the last few years. There are a handful of commenters that want the scanning program to stop completly, without viable alternatives and some have even implied that “blown up airliners, are the price we have to pay for freedom”.  Right now, it is difficult to stay on subject with the constant flood of off-subect,  gutter talk. And while I admit  my “spell-check” and proof-reading, leaves a little to be desired, I now intentionally, misspell a  word or dangle a modifier now and then, so those readers that have nothing better to do, can get their “kicks” an make a fool (being polite) out of themselves. Moderators, you need to enforce your “ground rules”, else many of your commenters will go to
    more “civil” sites.

    • VeeDub

      @Don DeHoff
       
      Site Moderators: Let me quote Mr. Don.
       
      “I also advocate, both legislation and court rulings, that “truth and facts” can never be blasphemy, racist, slander or a hate crime; verbage”
       
      I have indeed questioned his statements. I have indeed asked him to prove ANYTHING he’s posted. I have indeed asked him for truth and facts, references, anything.
       
      But by his very post on ~ http://lastresistance.com/753/are-american-muslims-terrorizing-the-constitution/  HE states what I’m doing is perfectly fine and should be legally protected.
       
      I’ll even admit to calling him a troll. But only after pointing out that his numerous posts against several of your posters all proved the HE is doing what HE accused dozens of, and that HE was referring to several others as the trolls.
       
      Do a search of his posts and you’ll see just how many of your forums he is in, and how many of your loyal readers and posters he is arguing with and calling names.
       
      HIS issues with your readers aren’t just on this topic.  They are on EVERY one of your topics he hits.  HE is the one arguing with the masses. 
       
      The truth is out there!  Anyone that wants to see it, need only click on his name above, and begin reading his volumes of self-proclaimed expertise on EVERY subject matter.

  • JRPPP

    people do careless typing on e-mails and blogs all the time; i don’t see that as substantive…actually i appreciated the lists of abuses provided here and is “cleaned up” vrs. the back and forth aimed too much at persons vrs. the issues at hand–and now you are name calling Don, which you objected to before..the search engine issues were the most informative vrs. our opinions i think..and many were verified by Congressman, ABC news and the video tapes) OOPS! they are blurry when there are transgressions

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR”, you are correct, I did use poor judgement as the  “term” probably can be attributed to the unnamed party.

  • Linda CDines

    I do understand why the TSA needs to try to filter out possible bombs and people who will cause a plane to go down, I object to being submitted to gamma radiation and allowing people who are obviously from a part of the world who breed terrorists to pass through unchalanged.

    • Don DeHoff

      @Linda CDinesLinda, your “unchallanged” comment surely is worth exploring with our congress people, which I will do. We have to stand our ground with the Muslim/Islamic factions. However, we must recognize that “modesty” has been forced upon the Muslim women, by both their religion and their men. I admit I am puzzled by how the Muslim men are permitted to treat their women like “tilth”, (their word), yet they cloak them “top to bottom”. Surely, as a group, Muslim women must suffer from a vitamin  deficiency due to a lack of sunlight., but that is off-subject, for another time

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines
         
        Don wrote: “we must recognize that “modesty” has been forced upon the Muslim women”.
         
        Are you trying to imply muslim women would have no modesty, if it were not forced on them by their so called “religion” or men?
         
        Are you implying that Christian women don’t have modesty because Christianity or their husbands haven’t forced it on them?
         
        Does a Christian woman have no modesty because she wears a bathing suit on the beach or a sun dress to the mall?
         
        Or are you mistaking a moral standard and personal characteristic “modesty”, with a cultural demand of a peoples still living in the 17th century?
         
        You refer to their vitamin deficiency, your reference for this assumption would be?????

        • Linda CDines

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff
           Just as their garb is forced on them, they could also be forced to conceal explosives or other tools for violence, just like anyone else and should be therefore challanged, like everyone else.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @Linda CDines”Vee”, as usual, you are still “off-base”. Each of those off-subject issues can and have previously been refutted. and I will not take up the readers’ time. Again, why do you, as some ol’ sage said, continue to “step on ants, while lions leap through the windows”?  Being a “Vet”, I will give you the benefit of any doubt, that you mean well, but your off-subject name calling and obnoxious posts, do significantly detract from the issues of the day. Readers, especially you, “Jack” and “JR”, can we get some feedback from the “public at large”?

        • Don DeHoff

          @Linda CDines  @VeeDub  “Linda”, I can only agree 150%. Maybe, (and just maybe), your comment might register with “Vee….” and answer some of his questions.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines
           
          What obviously didn’t register with Do… is that I agreed with Linda’s statement, and she did not disagree with mine!
           
          You also didn’t explain why you think a woman’s morality is forced on her by religion or men!!  As usual!!!!

        • Linda CDines

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff
           Vitamine D, which we make from exposure of our skin to “sunshine”.

        • VeeDub

          @Linda CDines  @Don DeHoff
           
          I understand what vitamin D is and what it does, and why it’s essential.
           
          DO…. wrote that Muslim women suffer from a deficiency in it.
           
          Evidence?  References?  Provable facts.  DO… has none of those.  Never does.
           
          While his rambling do have some basis of truth. He speaks as if an authority on everything, yet offers nothing to prove he isn’t just a senile old goat that loves to type and spews bits and pieces of what he remembers.
           
          You may be willing to read his dirvel and believe it, but I don’t because I’ve already proven several lies and misleading comments with links to reputable, factual evidence.
           
          Example.  Is your morality controlled by your religion or spouse?  I think not.  Everyone has morals no matter your marital status or religious beliefs.  Some are just more lenient than others.

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub  @Linda CDines  @Don DeHoff i;ll accept the Vit D deficiency as logical even if unproven

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @Linda CDines”Vee….”  I don’t  wish to be offensive, but I was  talking only about Muslim women, and you obviously have not had a chance to review the principle document,  other than their Qur’an , that quides the lives of Muslim women on a day-to-day basis. That document is the “approved” Muslim, “Reliance of the Traveler, A Clasic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law,” published, edited  and translated in 1991 by N.H.M. Keller. and reprinted several times up through 2011 (perhaps even more by now). It is printed in Arabic with “facing” English Text, is “double indexed” for easy surfing of subject matter. Without boring you with details, read “Books” (Chapters),  L ,M ,N  and R (especially M). They will point out severe modesty “restrictions” on the lives of Muslim females. Those “books” alone will probably prompt you to read other portions.That law manual  is not encumbered by the Qur’ans lack of chronology or its abrogations and it  is a must document for anyone interested in Muslim/Islamic issues. It is available through Amazon and other large book sellers at a cost of about $25.00. It is quite “hefty” with over 1200 pages, in that it contains both the Arabic and English. After reading those “books, get back to me so we can compare notes—you will be one of the “smarter kids” on the block.  Thanks.

        • Don DeHoff

          @JRPPP  @VeeDub  @Linda CDinesSince some of you doubt the accuracy of my “post”, ask Google, “Vitamin defeciency caused by Muslim dress” and then go to their” Reliance of the Traveller”  manual which I mentioned earier and see what the Muslim female dress requirements are. I suspect (for “Vee’s” edification) most of you will be enlightened. The information is in the Qur’an but is difficult to assertain due to that Holy Book’s  lack of chronology and its undated abrogations. .

        • Don DeHoff

          @Linda CDines  @VeeDub”Linda”. I don’t beleive those childen and women  are “forced”. Their Holy Books.states that dying for the sake of Islam is the “noblest” thing they can do, though I do not fully comphrehend what the women will receive as a reward in their “heaven”. Perhaps, they get to be one of the reincarnated 70 virgins. I do agree with you that Muslim garmented women should go to the “front of the line”, for screening. This is no a laughing matter as the Muslims take this issue very seriously.  I encourage you to get their manual, “Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”. edited and translated by N. H. M. Keller, 2011 Edition. Amazon and other large booksellers carry it at a cost of about $25.00. It would be good to get a non-Muslim woman’s opinion of that manual’s “Books” (Chapters) L, M, N, and R, especially Book M, which covers “marriage”. Let “us” hear from you.

        • Don DeHoff

          @Linda CDines  @VeeDub
           “Linda”. Thanks for the information. Ask Google, “Vitamine “D” deficiency in Muslim women”. There are several positive and detailed reponses and I saw but one, (by the Muslims) denying the issue. This response varied somewhat from the query I made a few days ago. Check them out and let “Vee” and “me”  know your findings. He does not trust my sources..

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines
           
          Now that’s funny!  You have posted zero, zilch, nada, not one reference to ANYTHING.  This entire thread on burkas could have been completely avoided, had you simply posted the reference I requested.  But you didn’t!  You NEVER do!
           
          You ignore EVERY request for a reference, and just like you sent Linda on a search for info here, that is all you do, in every forum you grace with your unlimited knowledge.  You post stuff and then tell everyone else to go look it up.
           
          SHOW ME THE REFERENCES!
           
          THAT has been my main issue with you for days.  You post as an expert on EVERY topic.  But you seem totally incapable of answering ANY requests for where your information comes from.   How does one get to know everything, and keep it all in his head never needing to refer back to where the information was learned?
           
          I for one don’t believe you know everything, as I HAVE posted references that PROVED YOU WRONG!  Posts you conveniently failed to respond to with anything but attacks and accusations of me being a troll.
           
          For example I’m unable to find your name in the alumni list for the Unniversity of Maryland, Class of 1968 · Military Science · Babenhausen, Hessen, Germany, as your facebook page indicates is where you went to college.  I have found Connie, John, Jim and several other DeHoffs, but your name doesn’t seem to be available.
           
          It’s not that I’m saying everything you post ain’t so, it’s just that much of what you post ain’t so, or ain’t provable.  (kinda paraphrasing off of President Reagan)

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          I believe that statistics show that a majority of former military pilots  with a BS degree, who have also spent years working in the public sector are closet gays.
           
          It would seem that their support for the perversions oft associated with union thugs in the TSA is proof that many of them enjoy the fact that Americans rights are violated and that women and babies are groped by those who secretly exchange nude pictures and tell of how good it felt groping someone who culdn’t say no or defend themselves.
           
          It seems logical that these TSA enjoy the rush they get from knowing they get to feel up the innocent and many of them go to the bathroom later to relieve themselves and relish in their violations of other human beings.
           
          It’s possible those who support them are getting their kicks vicariously by reading about the many accounts of women being fondled and raped by force and being helpless like the people they enjoy their sexual perversions with.
           
          How’s that Do…?  I’ve used the very same technique you do to make a point.  “I believe”, “it would seem”,  “possible”.  All of these words allow the poster to spew their “stuff” without ever having actually posted any factual information. 
           
          It’s all hyperbole, personal beliefs, and opinions.
           
          There may be some bits and pieces of truth scattered in the comment above, but on the whole, the statement cannot be proven and is misleading to the real facts. 
           
          All the poster has to do when asked for a reference, is ignore it, or deflect the request and send the other person on a search for the information they made up.  You are the master there also.
           
          This may surprise you, but I actually agree with several of your posts I’ve read in your multitude of forums.  Should you ever decide to grace us with references to provable facts, then I would have no need to challenge opinions you post as fact.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          No offense, but great job of copy and paste from Amazon.com, Wikipedia and one of your posts on another forum.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff    
           
          “Doh”  Where did anyone say they doubted the accuracy of your post?  Show me.  All I asked for was a reference.  You’re a writer, surely you can read plain ole American English and understand the difference between an accusation and a request for information.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub
           Vee, I am not sure of what you speak, my “cut & paste” skills don’t win any blue ribbons, unless my son is looking over my shoulder.  Most all of my Amazon emails are orders for books. Also, I am usually at a loss when I need attachments, etc. Are we not “off-subject” again?

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub
           Vee, why the off-subject  verbal jousting? I am sure the other readers “could not care less”. As for understanding “the difference”, it all depends on “how” you word “it”. And the reason I contiue to bring the matter of “off-subject”, things can and frequently does get well out of hand and does obscure the focus on   important issues.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @Linda CDines”Vee”,you are still at it. I am not saying any of those thngs, and it is obvious you have little knowledge of Islam and he Muslim culture. And what I am saying, you are either one “sick dude” or you are either a paid or volunteer “plant” for a group tha does not have this country’s  best interest at heart, as you continually  attempt to take the readers’ focus off of the issues at hand. I will concede you might be doing all of this “unwittingly”, but the results are the same. I note you even said I lied when I mentioned that I was honorably discharged from the Indiana National Guard as a teenager. Since there is nothing I can say to  convence you otherwise, please, contact the Indiana Adjutant General’s Office, in Indianapolis, Indiana and ask them for a copy of, Special Order 15, EXTRACT, Paragraph 2, 26 January 1949,  as pertains to Rct Donald D. DeHoff, SN 22988625, Company “M” 151st  Infantry.  With your obvious compter skills,  I am sure you can locate a WWW address (they did not have such things back then). We will all look forward to your  public apology. Now, can we get back to the issues of the day?

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  
           
          You didn’t lie about your age when you signed up?  THAT was my reference to your lie!  If you didn’t lie then why did they discharge you as YOU stated because you were under age?
           
          Here is my post “As we see (by your own off  topic admission) your professional career of misleading people began when you lied about your age to join the Guard!”
           
          So you posted another lie, when you posted that I questioned your honorable discharged from the Indiana National Guard!  You see what you want to see.
           
          I look forward to your public apology! 
           
          Better yet, keep your apology (that you’d never offer)!
           
           GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!

  • JRPPP

    Linda Dines–yes this gets back to the primary purpose of TSA as an agency to get people used to being searched and humiliated as practice for police state–same with the swat teams for nonviolent situations…i guess one has to be a truther to fully appreciate how this has unfolded with Baby Bush and O…and now Patriots are the terrorists according to Biden and O says jihad is “workplace violence”

  • JRPPP

    Don–Muslim sexism is irrelevant here–if you say you are concerned about planes going down they have to serached PREFERENTIALLY

    • Don DeHoff

      @JRPPP”JR”, valid point. Everyone needs to be contacting their congresspersons and ask for a detailed explanation as to how or why female Muslims have been excluded from “screening and pat-down” procedures, when all Muslims, including their children and  females,  have all been taughtfrom a very early age that it is the “noblest of deeds” to “give their lives” to further the cause of Islam—and when given the opportunity, ask the question in a public forum. Our congresspersons will be more apt to look into this serious problem, if “they know that we know”. Modesty and “Faith” be d—–, lives are at stake!

  • VeeDub

    @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP
     
    I’m curious what altitude was that barbed wire, that almost removed your head, at!
     
    There is no evidence we will “have to start all over again”. Programs are in place that could easily be transitioned to private security.
     
    Private firms hiring the same people? AWESOME! They will then be liable for misconduct and those wronged by illegal searches, rape or public embarrassment will be able to have their day in court (also guaranteed under the Constitution ((which is NOT open to interpretation)) and  will be fired. Instead of getting automatic pay raises funded by the people they wrong.
     
    Those who do wrong will be fired and have to pay. Unlike now, where we have Government union paid people who can do as they please and nobody has any legal recourse.
     
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Never-Run-Out-of-Altitude,-Airspeed,-and-Ideas-at-the-Same-Time:–Lessons-From-the-Vietnam-POWs&id=42948
     
    Never Run Out of Altitude, Airspeed, and Ideas at the Same Time:  Lessons From the Vietnam POWs;  By Linda Henman

  • VeeDub

    @Don DeHoff  @Don
     
    Don, you didn’t even have the interest/honesty to look up the links that have been provided to you to prove you wrong. 
     
    You won’t even click a mouse to see evidence provided for you, but you demand we research to prove you wrong, which we’ve already done.
     
    Hypocrite?

  • William Wallace

    @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff  @JRPPP Also, the TSA is now unionized and are funneling their salary, paid by tax dollars, back to the liberal campaigns, while the liberals vote them raises… it’s all a sick money laundering scheme that we are paying for.
     
    Get rid of them, get rid of another union sucking our money away.

  • Don DeHoff

    @VeeDub  @JRPPP”Vee”. you obviously (and thank heavens) have never been in an aircraft accident.  The statement, “running out of altitude, airspeed and ideas, all at the same time”, is but a tired old flying expression, concerning aircraft accidents. It is obvious to “flyers”  that, except for mid-air collisions, “running  out of altitude”, means the pilot and his aircraft are at ground level, whether it be at sea level or on a mountain top.  The statement was perhaps a little misleading in that I had an engine malfunction  on take-off, from a very short runway at Johnson AB, Japan, more years ago than I care to remember—though I can still see the “results” in the mirror every  morning. “Vee”, why again, these off-subject questions?  I note in the past, you have made many good comments, but you all  too frequently loose your focus  on the subject matter. This will be my last response to your “off-subject” comments and questions. Focus, my good man, and ask someone’s opinion if your response is on topic. I would suggest that you form a closer “bond” with Google and the other search-engines, being careful to weed-out the hearsay and innuendo. I also suggest you review the very first definition of the word “lie”. I note you have a habit of listing most all information, to which you don’t agree, as a “lie”. There are many valid reasons for mistatements (of which we all, including you, can be guilty). Ciao.

  • VeeDub

    @Don DeHoff @Linda CDines @William Wallace @JRPPP @JackNapper 
     
    I’m curious how you found the time to do it all DON? You claim to be a retired Air Force Officer, You claim to have worked for an insurance company for 30 years. You claim to have a BS from the university of Maryland. And you claim you spend 50-60 hours a week writing a book.
     
    I see in another forum you claim to have spent 4-5 years studying the Qur’an.
    Quote:  “I have been conducting an intense studfy of the Islamic/Muslim issues for the last 4-5 years.” http://lastresistance.com/753/are-American-Muslims-terrorizing-the-constitution/
     
    And I see in another forum you claim to be “in the medical field”.
     
    Quote: “Being in the medical field, I am confident that you do not take such liberties with surgical procedures and do them “your way”.
     
    3 days, 14 hours ago on Store Clerk Shoots Black in Self Defense – Now Black  Community in Uproar  http://lastresistance.com/630/store-clerk-shoots-black-in-self-defense-now-black-community-in-uproar/
     
    You’ve studied the Constitution, bomb making, Israeli airport screenings,  martial law, the TSA, and it seems the list goes on for infinity, sufficiently  that you can speak on each of them with certainty and don’t have to provide any  references for anything you post as fact.
     
    You even have the time for personal visits with the TSA and CONgress to get  your “briefings”.
     
    WOW! I’m impressed! Air Force pilot, Insurance salesman, author, and something in the medical field.  I guess you really have done, and know, it all Don

    • VeeDub

      @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper
       
      Oh and Don, before you jump on this one and destroy your credibility even more, I’ve got dozens of your claims and boasts ready to post as follow ups.
       
      All anyone need do is click on his name and then view his profile posts.
       
      I don’t have to say one bad word about him.  He’s done it all by himself, by not keeping up with which story he tells on which topic.

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDub  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper”Vee”, again, as usual, off-subject, with the obvious intent to take the readers focus off of the issues of the day. You sir, appear to have above average  computer sklls. My military record,  University of Maryland records and time with the New York Life Insurance Comany all are available to those who wnat to do the research. Let  me really tickle your “fancy” (being polite), I was honorably discharged from the Indiana National Guard for “being underage”, i.e., “minority”—that record too is available but I have better things to do than feed. Now if you and anyother “moter-mouth”, want to put up some money, we will get an impartial 3rd party , to do the research that you choose not to do.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff        
         
        Don;  Your response to my “off topic” response to your original off topic post is… wait for it.  Yes it’s off topic.
         
        You’re complaing still, that I’m off topic, but I’m just responding to YOUR off topic stuff.  If YOU hadn’t brought it up, I couldn’t respond to it, now could I?
         
        Just look at all of the off topic “stuff” YOU posted above.  See 2 below!
         
        1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
        2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff        
         
        Do… you appear to have above average BS skills.
         
        Do… the one thing you have not failed to do is dazzle us with your multitude of achievements.
         
        20 years in the Military. 
        30 years in Insurance.
        4-5 years studying the Qur’an
        50-60 hours a week writing a book.
        How many years to get your “BS” degree?
        How many years to get your “Medical” training?
         
        Oh wait!  Has the retired Air Force officer now become someone who was discharged for being under age?
         
        Oh well it doesn’t matter.  It would be off topic and we all know that you wouldn’t want to make dozens of off topic posts about your wealth of skills and knowledge.
         
        I’m going to call this quote an outright LIE, Do……..
         
        “JR, the bad guys quit using metal in their bombs eons ago.”   http://lastresistance.com/865/tsa-agents-getting-their-kicks-from-your-nude-scans/

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff ok, sniff out the liquids or plastics–someone said you still need a switch for the signal?

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub
           “Vee”,I have to modify my 50-60 hours researching and “working on” a book. It appears I spend a couple of those hours daily verbally jousting with you—all to no avial.  I do  ‘break’  the book research every couple of hours to surf the internet to see hat is new and what “Vee” is ranting and raving about—-coffee breaks are better. For instance. this post will probably generate 4-5 ramblings from you. And for the umpteenth time,  WHY do you insist in this continual off-subject nonsense? Can we declare a truce and get on with the issues at hand?

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub”Vee”, you cannot possibly be that ignorant and therefore I deduce your rabble rousing is intentional just to take the readers’  focus off of the critical subjects of the day.  Why would you intentionally mix my officer status with a teenage situation werein I was honorablly discharged from the Indiana National Guard for being “underage”? (minority was the term they used). I served only about 9 months before they “found out” and I have been given all of two-weeks “active duty” (while at the annual, two-week “summer-camp” at Camp Atterbury, Indiana, which is now included in my retirement time. Why are these issues so important to you, as they surely are not in the best interest of this great, though imperfect, country or the subject matter at hand.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          “Doh”
           
          The amount of time you research is on topic?
          You surfing the internet for your book is on topic?
          Coffee breaks are on topic?

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Your discharge from the National Guard is on topic and pertains to the subject matter at hand?
          Your time off  is on topic and pertains to the subject matter at hand?
          Your summer camp  is on topic and pertains to the subject matter at hand?
          Everything YOU’ve brought up about your education, military, insurance,  medical field, years studying the unholy Qur’an, and writing a book are on topic and pertain to the subject matter at hand?
           
          I wonder if you are capable of answering any of that with a simple yes or no?

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDub  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper”Vee….,” before I can quit responding to you, I must clear the air on your last ranting and raving. First, I will admit, you have a point (although wrong) on me being in the “medical field”. If you would have read the entrire series of “back and forth” comments”, it would have been obvious that I was jousting with a very nice lady-nurse, concerning the use of the worlds “race and racist”. Being in a public forum, I should have used the words, “You” being in the medical field”. Our issue was grammatical not medical, and I am sorry if our discussion confused you. I see nothing spectactular with my 80 years “young-life”. I spent 9 months in the Indiana National Guard, before they found out I was “underage”. I joined the Air Force at age 18 and in 3-years reached the rank of Staff-Sergant (E-5). I qualified to go to the Aviation Cadet program which was a years training and was commissioned. as an offier and  pilot. In addition to flying until (an including) the very day I retired, I worked in Administration, Personnel (now Human Rsources?), and Operations, After a tour in “nam”, I worked as a “exercise planning officer, at 10th Air Force, and at Hq, Air Defense Command.I retired in the rank of Major (0-4) August 1,1970. That same year I went to work for the New York Life Insurance Company (one of, if not the best insurance company in the country). I draw a pension from that great company. I received by University of Maryland BS in Military Science, after about 10 years of night school , graduating in 1968. Since “retiring”, I have spent considerable time in researching Muslim and Islamic issues, our government, the Constitution, Federalist Papers,  the current Administration and the issues of the day. I have found several items of interest in surfing the internet an hour or so a day. I am not yet an author and  I am holding the main thrust of my “hoped for” book, both as to content and title until many of these issue get sorted out.  I have decided that I will include a chapter on this internet comment fiasco. And for anyone who claims they have read and fully understand the Qur’an, I suspect that might be at least a slight exaggeration. That “Holy Book”, due to its complete lack of chornology, its undated and randomly placed abrogations make that document  undeceipherable, even by many learned scholars (oxymoron?). That  statement is justified by the reams of other Muslim official documents that attempt to clarify what the Qur’am reveals and what it does not. I don’t profess to be an “expert”, in this area, but I have found I can hold my own with most.(if they keep the dialog civil). And yes, I will find  time to visit a TSA office and I frequently email my congresspersons. I just cannot rely upon 90% of the personal opinion, hearsay and inuendo material that ‘floats” around the internet. Now, my “credentials and data” is available from several sourcs on the internet—some readers refuse to accept my versions, so I won’t bother trying to convence anyone. And “Vee”, can I ask again , why all of this continued off-subject “BS”–”‘fidling while Rome burns?”

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper
         
        “DOH” your entire post above, EVERYTHING, is off topic! Again you do, what you chastise about, but it’s ok to be hypocritical when you are the keeper of all knowledge.
         
        As we see (by your own off topic admission) your professional career of misleading people began when you lied about your age to join the Guard!  No matter how noble or patriotic, it was still a lie and I know many did it.  Still doesn’t make it right.
         
        And be honest DOH, you can’t stop responding!!!!  I’ve looked at dozens upon dozens of your posts.  On EVERY thread, you respond until you wear down those who disagree with you.  It isn’t that you’ve proven your point, they’ve just tired of trying to get you to understand why you are wrong.
         
        You have to respond, you can’t help it.  Getting the last word (you think) means that you win the debate. It also shows (you think) your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should (you think) convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow bloggers.
         
        Go ahead DOH, don’t respond.  I dare you to try!  You already can’t stand it, as you move your mouse to hit the reply button.

        • JackNapper

          @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP
           Folks, I’ll admit that I’ve derived quite a bit of entertainment from BOTH sides of this “debate.”  However, this thing has gone unbelievably “off topic.”  The original article is about the excesses of TSA, NOW.
          My position is (and always has and will be) that nothing less than the complete disbanding of TSA will be satisfactory.  I don’t care at all about why it exists, I believe in the Bill of Rights and would prefer that EVERYONE travel openly armed vs. the current era of unreasonable, unwarranted searches. Period.
          I don’t care about Don’s (you really ARE an incredible guy!) long and checkered past, nor do I want to hear any more about it.
          I’d like to see an idea (from ANYONE) that doesn’t infringe on the US Constitution….case law, etc. be damned…..I believe that doing NOTHING would be far better than ANYTHING that we’re currently doing!

  • VeeDub

    @Don DeHoff  
     
    Don; again you ASSume with no knowledge, and again you attempt to deflect your actions.
     
    I have been in a helicopter accident.  I’ve been in C-130s as tracers went through the fuselage.  You don’t know everything.
     
    Why do I post off topic?  HELLO DON!  YOU, yes YOU brought up the barbed wire at 20,000 feet ( yeah I know you didn’t give an altitude).  YOUR story DON.  Why can’t I (or it seems anyone) respond to what YOU bring up and question YOU on YOUR off topic stuff?
     
    Looking at how you copy and paste information all over the place, I couldn’t help but notice your use of a term associated with an article about POWs.  So I responded.
     
    If you don’t want responses and reqeusts for proof about your hundreds of credentials, then YOU should quit posting the off topic stuff ! ! ! ! !

  • VeeDub

    @Linda CDines @William Wallace @JRPPP @JackNapper 
     
    It seems the information about Don is unlimited. While he’s spending 50-60 hours a week writing a book, it seems he also spends 50-60 hours a week posting on blogs.  And it’s not a surprise, he is an expert in all of those forums too. 
     
    Here he is on HIS very own page.  “Bliss Experiment”:  http://www.theblissexperiment.com/profile/DonaldDaleDeHoff
     
    You can also find him on most every conservative blog site, and as is the case here, he has numerous posts, and is the expert on whatever the topic is.  Google Don Dehoff you can tell which ones are his, he brags about being 80 years young in all of them.

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDub  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper”Vee”, you post is “off-subject”. have a good day.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff  @Linda CDines  @William Wallace  @JRPPP  @JackNapper
         
        Well then just go cry to the site administators again. Mr. medic, or is it pilot, or is it author, or is it insurance guy, or is it novelist or is it Constitutionalist, or is it the guy who has spent years studying the Qur’an?
         
        Which title do you prefer? 
         
        You’re credibility is shot here.
         
        I’m getting ready to nail you on at least 4 other groups and expose you there too.  The more I look the more I find.
         
        Have a blessed day!

  • VeeDub

    Protecting the Constitution is my only motivation here. Anyone who denies it, defies it,  defiles it or tries to cut it up is a traitor and an enemy of American freedom.
     
    Our constitution and our freedom came under full attack after 9/11 when cowards in CONgress were bolstered by cowards in the Nation who were willing to trade freedom for security.
     
    Instead of singling out those known terrorist elements. Our government chose to political correctness over the Constitution and authorized unconstitutional searches and pat downs of American citizens, while allowing Muslim women and other special interest groups to go unchallenged and unmolested.
     
    It has never been more at risk than during the reign of Obama and anyone or any organization that “progresses” us towards socialism and the destruction of our Constitution.
     
    Let there be no mistake.  If you support the destruction of our Constitution, no matter how small the bites are that you allow them to take out, then YOU are the enemy.  YOU are the problem.

  • VeeDub

    The actions of the TSA are justified.  Finally there is proof their actions have saved American lives.
     
    TSA Nabs Suspected Al Queda Terrorist At Chicago Airport
     
    http://youtu.be/YNO-AzPxS4U

  • VeeDub

    The actions of the TSA are justified.  Finally there is proof their actions have saved American lives.
     
    TSA Nabs Suspected Hezbolla Terrorist At New Orleans Airport
     
    http://youtu.be/GKZH2Y0f-7M

  • VeeDub

    The actions of the TSA are justified.  Finally there is proof their actions have saved American lives.
     
    TSA Nabs Suspected Terrorist Posing As A Beauty Queen
     
    http://youtu.be/X6hvUWv2CsY

  • VeeDub

    Finally we can see exactly how TSA screeners choose their victims.
     
    http://youtu.be/Ck_9GQv_m68

  • VeeDub

    Here we can clearly see how the TSA will make sure they have some type of arrest activity, no matter what they have to do or make up.
     
    http://youtu.be/a7XCIvDpawI

  • VeeDub

    We’re from the Government.  You can trust us.
     
    http://youtu.be/Z2PXvsMRGl4

  • VeeDub

    TSA policy.  What’s mine is mine, what’s your’s is mine.  Even if I have to lie about it.
     
    http://youtu.be/mw4JmMyYNMA

  • VeeDub

    Lessons learned; 
     
    Complain about TSA violations, and they’ll be sure to give you “Special Treatment” next time they see you.
     
    You must submit.
     
    LEOs will not enforce the law, but will force you to comply with what they know is wrong.
     
    http://youtu.be/iuG30df_EE8

  • VeeDub

    Do you play tennis?  You have a cute body.
     
    http://youtu.be/ptGal9T45Xs

  • Badshot46

    Don’t forget you have a right to be scanned by a person of only your color or chosing.

    • Don DeHoff

      “Bad….”. I am not sure if you were jesting, but as I understand the “rules” and the  equipment, the scanners are prohibited from “seeing” the actual persons being scanned and vice versa.

    • bobmann101

      When I told the screener that I wanted a woman, of any color, to pat me down, because I refuse to let a man to put his hands on me. I was told that was not possible. So I caused a scene stating it was my right. Finally a black woman around 400 lbs came out and patted me down. I thanked all for their cooperation and boarded my flight.

  • JRPPP

    Jack–we discussed the pluses and hurdles of privitizing TSA, which i support–and I DO care why TSA was formed and it will be expanded under martial law whistleblowers tell us

    • VeeDub

      @JRPPP
       
      What so many (especially those who choose to see only the benefits of the TSA) don’t take into account it the total picture. I’ve mentioned “bites” being taken out of the Constitution and our RIGHTS.
       
      OK so we have TSA doing their thing. Now let’s add Homeland Security doing their thing with Drones. Now let’s add the NSA doing their thing with phone taps. Now let’s add a fully militarized law enforcement force complete with automatic weapons, armored vehicles as well as RPGs and other tactical weapons. There is much more, including monitoring emails and sites like this one.
       
      If you put all of the little bites together, they are devouring our Rights and trampling the U.S. Constitution.  The ONLY people who can help us are the Supreme Court and CONgress.  NEITHER of which have a proven track record of working for the good of the people for many years.
       
      The SC and CONgress have given us no legal recourse to obtain justice, when the “government” is the decider of all things, and they have decided we must play by their rules.
      TRY suing the government or a TSA worker.  See how much it costs you, how long it takes, and how interested the IRS suddenly becomes in your finances.
       
      What our Forefathers fought and died to leave to us, has been destroyed, not just by the government, but by people willing to let them take a bite and do nothing about it, for whatever justification suits their need or purpose.
       
      Martial law is coming.  It has to.  The government is fixing to cross the line in the sand.

      • William Wallace

        @VeeDub  @JRPPP That’s only federal.  Local LEO’s are thankfully still down home all American, the way the Founding Fathers intended them to be.  Get the federal behemoth out of local LE business and stop the taxes going to the feds so they can blackmail the locals with the various grants with their rules and conditions.  Let us keep our money and spend it the way we see fit.

        • JRPPP

          @William Wallace  @VeeDub WW-Loclals are variable; some love the DHS direction they are getting and love being lawless bigshots–prob. an age distinction there?? we willnot only see police shootong other police but children and parents shooting each other figuratively speaking at least

    • JackNapper

      @JRPPP
       I just want the Federal government (waaaay too big and waaay too far across the “line in the sand” already) out of my bags and out of my life as much as possible.  Privatize?  Good plan, better qualified screeners…with the caveat that they can be sued and beaten in court, unlike the current TSA nonsense.  I agree that the government’s powers MUST be curtailed, as our Founders intended.

  • JRPPP

    WW_Sadly many urban police are happy to have the feds turn them loose for Bill of R’s violations, gun seizures for no reason, swat team intimidation for any and all raids, and are accepting “army surplus” APC’s and even an amphibious tank in GA (waterfowl hunters violating?)

  • madpolok

    The thing that rarely gets mentioned is the fact that these people are Union Government workers from whose paystubs weekly are drawn Union dues which flow directly to the Democratic Party. In exchange for this-The Government protects those who abuse the Public trust from losing their jobs.
    Private sector? These fools would be in jail.

    • William Wallace

      @madpolok I mentioned it a while ago about how they are union and the fact that they are allowed to do so recently so they can cycle their dues money right back to the Dems via their union, which is one of the biggest contributors to the Dems.

  • Evermyrtle

    I I could not go anywhere, except o be humiliated by these perverts I would stay home. An I believe if that everybody did it for just a few days it would make a difference, but go ahead and do it anyway if for nothing but ot get even with then, If they don’t collect the money to support the trip, they will not continue to fly. They will lose money they will give in if you stay away from their planes t log enough. Put the to the test. Nobody can d do it for you, you must do it for yourself.If you do not do something drastic you will have to continue this humiliation just as long as you decide to put up with it.. t

    • JRPPP

      @Evermyrtle Many here have said they have stopped flying incl. myself and not just for a couple of days

  • bobmann101

    Why not have a scanner for men  with men looking at the scanners and a scanner for women with women looking at the scanners? Is it really that comlicated??? If I was a woman going through a scanner and heard a man say to me: ” You there keep the line moving.” would upset me more than if they told meI had to go thru again. In fact it is very hard for me to believe that a woman spends hours in front of a mirror making herself look sexy only to get upset because a man think she has a hot body. I bet they are saying to themselves: yes!, yes! yes!

    • VeeDub

      @bobmann101
       
      OK the first two sentences I agree with…. BUT are women really only a sex symbol to be viewed and used at man’s will.
       
      Is it the woman’s fault she dresses up nice, puts on her makeup, and then is raped????  That “seems” to be your analogy.
       
      She’s pretty, dressed up nice, therefore it’s the woman’s fault they want to look at her and she should be forced to show off her goodies? SERIOUSLY????
       
      There is a HUGE difference between a woman looking pretty and dressing nice to go the mall where everyone can see her face and figure through clothes, and a woman looking nice and then being forced to let perverts ogle her, under he clothing at will.
       
      I hope I’m reading your message wrong.  It most certainly is NOT the woman’s fault.

      • bobmann101

        @VeeDub
         What the hell are you talking about? Where did you get the idea that I think women are really only a sex  symbol to be viewed and used at man’s will?. There have been women with no make up who have been raped. Rape is more about power than sex! Yes you are reading my post all wrong Here is what I said:’ In fact it is very hard for me to believe that a woman spends hours in front of a mirror making herself look sexy only to get upset because a man think she has a hot body. I bet they are saying to themselves: yes!, yes! yes!’
        I did not say a woman was at fault. I have known a lot of women who spend hours in front of a mirror and lots of time picking out what to wear, (that is the single ones). Why do they do that? huh They want to look pretty and sexy so they will be noticed. If a count was taken of the women who were complaining I am willing to bet the biggest majority of the complainers would be the women who are insecure and ashamed about their bodies. Besides they are not forced to go through a scanner. They can be searched  by another woman. When a woman leaves the house looking and smelling sexy there will be people noticing them and having various thoughts. Even tho they are dressed If you have not noticed a pretty woman and not had a few off  color thoughts then you are either gay or not normal.

        • bobmann101

          @VeeDub
           Darn I forgot to add  Walter reminds me of Biden.. Walter is funnier than Joe?

        • JRPPP

          @bobmann101  @VeeDub Maybe she is not looking good for ANYONE, bobmann esp. you (and prob. me sadly) and women that are NOT Lesbian say they dress in part to impress other women–the other women see the clothes and we guys , well, sorta look THRU the clothes but not as completely as TSA of coyrse

        • VeeDub

          @bobmann101
           
          What am I talking about? I’m talking about what YOU wrote.
           
          Everything after the second sentence is related to a woman’s appearance and how she should be upset if someone doesn’t think she’s pretty.
           
          You wrote; “If I was a woman going through a scanner and heard a man say to me: ” You there keep the line moving.” would upset me more than if they told me I had to go thru again.”
           
          How sexist is that? She should be happy that they want to make her go through the screener again, knowing they are wanting to see things that she doesn’t want them to? She shouldn’t have a little humility or be embarrassed?
           
          You wrote; ” In fact it is very hard for me to believe that a woman spends hours in front of a mirror making herself look sexy only to get upset because a man think she has a hot body. I bet they are saying to themselves: yes!, yes! Yes!”
           
          Both of those are extremely sexist and show that women are nothing more than sex symbols, who should be happy they are ogled, or upset when they aren’t.
           
          And someone is gay or not normal because they don’t have “off color thoughts” about pretty women?  SO that’s the only two reasons you can think of for why someone doesn’t have demeaning thoughts about women?  I guess being a happily married Christian never crossed your mind as an option.
           
          In questioning how I saw your original post as sexist, you jam packed another post with one sexist comment after another.  What you succeeded in doing was removing any doubt that your comments were sexist in nature.

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub  @bobmann101 i agree with the general thrust of what VeeDun says but the subject is PRIVACY, not whether we men, married or not, have sexist thoughts..i know i do as single guy but don’t think that is the same as being a voyeur at TSA…i suspect that the clear majority of happily married men look at pretty women, but that is mostly off-subject here

  • bobmann101

    There are spas, YMCA”s, YWCA”s etc where they have community showers where you take a shower with other naked people of your gender.  I am sure that most of the people posting here about being humiliated, going through a scanner has not went through a scanner. Do you think that when you go through a scanner that your image is burned into the person’s  brain looking at your scanned image and they will recognize you the next time they see you.So a person see an image and says boy he or she is too fat. So what? How is that going to make any difference in their life? BYW I agree the TSA at times oversteps their bounds and need to start racial profiling. Darn gotta go

    • ves

      @bobmann101
      I don’t do community showers and never have and don’t know any women that have …. I know some men are DIFFERENT!!
      I have a problem with some jerkoff viewing me in the nude and then getting to shoot off their nasty mouth!
      If I wanted strangers to view Me nude I would have done the magazine layout I was offered and made a pile of cash!
      YOU are a disgusting twit!

      • bobmann101

        @ves  @bobmann101
         It is your problem you are insecure about your body and your sexuality. If you do not know any women who have taken a community shower, you must not have very many friends or know very many friends. There have been people for millions of years nudity was a natural thing. There were no one shooting off their nasty mouth. Plus children were able to see their parents go to the bathroom, and have sex. GUESS WHAT??? They grew up to be normal with none of your hangups!!! Disgusting twit HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Luv it!

  • VeeDub

    TSA = Terrorists  Searching Americans
     
    The technology to detect and intercept firearms on passengers or in their  luggage has never required the unique tools of the TSA: sexual molestation and  nude scanning.  Quite the contrary, the technology for finding guns has, again, been used for decades. It doesn’t require an invasive groping and it doesn’t  require indecent radiated images.
     
      Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/tsa-propaganda-sometimes-we-do-something-right/#ixzz2HJHKQcyT

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDubHave you not read  reports of terrorists in others parts of the world inserting explosives in body cavities and even surgically?  Or that they frequently use women and children and yes families, to do their dirty work? How about our  “shoe bomber” or the one who had explosives in his underwear. Yes, “as usual”, I don’t have the citations at hand and I include that so you won’t have to use it for justification for you continued attemts to refute ‘the facts of life”. I am sure others out there with a better memory and file system can “fill in the blanks”..

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff
         
        “DOH” yet again, let me point out to you that there thing in blue is a link. The paragraph written above is from the author of the article and anybody that has any desire to learn anything, can simply click on the link and read the whole story.
         
        Those aren’t my words either. Please, at least TRY to pay attention.
         
        I have read reports on that, but obviously you haven’t read the information that I, and two others, gave you on more than one occasion.
         
        Please, at least TRY to keep up.
         
        These little thingys below, with lots of letters and numbers, are called “links”.  All you have to do is move your mouse (That’s the little thingy that moves the little cursor thingy on your computer monitor that you are looking at right now), over those funny numbers and letters and with your finger click the left button on your mouse thingy.
         
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118925,00.html
         
        http://www.enn.com/sci-tech/article/41989
         
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosives_trace-detection_portal_machine
         
        This one from CNN puts TSA scanners to shame. 
         
        http://articles.CNN.com/2011-07-13/politics/airport.security.hearing_1_body-scanners-canine-officer-trainers-and-handlers?_s=PM:POLITICS
         
        Walk into the White House with a firecracker in your pocket, and they will know it.  The SAME thing that the feds are using everywhere else, can be used in airports.  And they don’t required perverts to run them.
         
        The links don’t confirm my statements of fact, they confirm the statements of fact made by REAL experts that have REAL training and education on what they write about.

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub”Vee” a simple question for you and those who follow in your footsteps, Would any of you fly on a “multi-leg” flight to or from a large city and  in any airliner that has not conducted a screening of passangers? Lets us have a poll from say a hundred flyers. Readers, are you listening?

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Again, you seem to be missing something.  Above the comments section above there is a line that lists the number of posts and the number of followers.  There are only 54 people even remotely following this thread. 
           
          I’m confident you won’t get 100 responses here. But it’s a free country, so go ahead and ask.
           
          I would.  While not in the shape I used to be, I have forgotten neither my military nor my police training.  I feel confident I could lead the “let’s roll” charge!

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Make that 52.  Somebody just jumped forum, and as soon as I post this, I’m gone too.

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub
           Don:  Where do I sign up?  I, despite your spirited defense of TSA, would LOVE to fly without their unwanted, unwarranted, and absolutely unreasonable attention.  AND, if there were 100 people actually following this article, I believe that MOST folks feel the same as I.  The “safety” supposedly granted us by the Federals IS NOT/WAS NOT/NEVER WILL BE worth the rape of the 4th Amendment by the TSA.

        • Hatcherbabygirl

          @Don DeHoff I won’t fly because they do these screenings. I guess you missed the news, the scanners and screenings don’t work to stop terrorism. Over 90% frail to find objects that were placed to determine their efficacy. If you are willing to give up your liberty for security, you deserve neither and you are getting neither. Idiot.

        • Don DeHoff

          @Hatcherbabygirl  @Don
           “Hatcher….., your poor language  manners are exceeded only by your ignorance. It is almost always impossible to prove a negative, and we will never know how many “would-a-be” bombers, did not do their dirty work, because of the scanning process.  Logic would dictate, with the ferver that the terrorists exhibit, they surely would have made some attempts—and don’t forget the “shoe” and “underwear” bombers. And, how close did the planted “objects” resemble a bomb? Also, you obviously don’t know that the TSA conduct tens of  thousands of scans each day and overall they have had an an acceptable performance, especially in the last couple of years .  Also, most all of the problem areas being reported occured quite some time ago. I expect we will not hear a peep out of you, when the next airliner is blown up as a result of the scanner’s reduced standards. Also, I personally visited our local airport and viewed some so-called “naked” scans—there is no way one can look at a scan and then mingle with the crowd and say “that scan belonged to that person” and the scanning and hands-on “pat-down” areas are, clearly seperated and a scanner is not permitted to leave their secured and locked area and “go take a personal look” at the person being scanned—-most of the perverts are not in the TSA, they are  those few who you see putting forth wild stories from ages ago—admittedly, with thousands of scans every day, there will be occasional problem.

        • Don DeHoff

          @Hatcherbabygirl  @Don
           I forgot to add, that you are quoting  “BF” somewhat out of context. Just what “freedom” are you giving up, when you are scanned before getting on an airplane? That is no different, than when one, almost daily, stays within the speed limit and stops at red lights—those and the scanning are issues with which civilized people  must live in a very populated world, not only for ourselves, but equally important the other four of five hundred people on board the same aircraft. These issues were not what Benjamin Franklin had in mind. Don’t feel embarrassed, as there are about a half dozen other commenters who also take BF’s quote out of context—and there are literly  hundreds of other analogies out there that fit ths situation. No person has the right to determine issues that will get other people killed, just because they feel their freedom is being violated—-would you drive 50 MPH in a school zone, when there are children present? I think not. I believe it was “Heine”, who said, “All special charters of freedm must be abrograted where the universal law of freedom is to flourish”

        • Hawls

          @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub
           I wouldn’t fly without some type of screening, not today.  It’s like having unprotected sex, the odds are in your fdavor, but the repurcussions can be harsh!

      • Linda CDines

        @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub
         Lets hope they don’t decide to go for exploratory surgery next, blood and guts.

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDub”Vee”, I cannot argue with what you have said, but we are talking about “explosives”, not guns. And what is this preoccupation with all of the “groping,  sexual molestation, nude scanning and perverts”?  That approach ignores that most all of the employees there have been recruited from the country-wide pool of people, and they surely would not be a significantly larger number of “perverts” than the pubic “base”.  And, you ignore the fact that the TSA has terminated no small number of employees, “for cause”. The TSA’s  survival as a Department could well depend upon the quality of their work force—they are not going to idly stand by and let employees  “grope” the passengers.  Again, read the TSA’s PR program, by simply asking any of the search engines, “History and evolution  of the TSA” or some siiiliar title (I don’t want to specify any particular search engine, site or question and be accused of “slanting” the research)—but history dictates you will find something about which to to disagree. .

  • VeeDub
  • VeeDub

    The scanner operators can see  everything, including your pads and tampons. It’s creepy enough that the scanners take naked pictures of passengers, but now recently-appointed TSA head John S. Pistole has  told the  New York Times that they can also detect sanitary napkins, and that such a finding could lead to passengers being pulled aside for extra security measures. Screeners “are expected to exercise some discretion,” he said, but discretion about what? Can we expect an extra invasive pat-down of our crotches on heavy flow days?
     
    http://www.alternet.org/story/148897/the_7_creepiest_things_about_the_tsa%27s_%22porno_scanners%22

    • Don DeHoff

      @VeeDubIs this the same “Veedub” that accused me of pretending to be an “expert” in many fields?—and you are dealing in “women issues”!  Good luck, you are walking where  sane males fear to tread..Being sanatary pads and related items are a normal reoccuring monthly issue, at least amoung the “less than aged” women,  logic, reason and common sense would dictate that the women would be screaming to high heaven, if that was an issue. Perhaps women don’t travel during those “days of the month”. And of course, a scan does reveal those items, as that is the very purpose of the scan, to detect “objects”. With your way of thinking, it is for the pleasure of the “perverts”. And, any scanner will tell you the days of “heavy flow” have nothing to do with the scan, as if blood was an issue, scans would not be successful. That is why “dyes” are used in medical scans where blood and blockages are an issue. Perhaps we caught you at the “wrong time of the month”. I still maitain most of your posts are either intentional or unwitting attempts to bias the readers or to take their focus off of the subject at hand

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff
         
        MORON! Read the post, follow the link. Most intelligent people can do that, I don’t know why such a self acclaimed genius as you can’t!!
         
        Those are not MY words. They are the words of the author of the article in the link.  It’s even got his name there.
         
        Let me repeat that for you. MORON! Follow the link and learn something for a change.
         
        I’m not sure which is worse, your self-proven ignorance, or the way you troll and do what you accuse others of doing.

      • VeeDub

        @Don DeHoff
         
        Here is her information brainiac;  Lauren Kelley is the activism and gender editor at AlterNet and a freelance journalist based in New York City. Her work has appeared in Salon, Time Out New York, the L Magazine, and other publications.
         
        Now since you know so much more about every topic than anybody else, contact her, let her know why she is wrong and demand she print a retraction.  Then get back with us and tell us what she said.
         
        Here’s a link to fill out the contact form.  Not sure why I’m putting it here, you obviously don’t know how to use them.  http://www.alternet.org/feedback

        • Don DeHoff

          “Vee”, are you saying there are “others” who cannot be just as wrong as you?  The words of “Perry Mason” come to mind,  “Your Honor, I rest my case!

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff
           
          Great, which post was it that I was proven wrong on again?

      • JRPPP

        @Don DeHoff  @VeeDub maybe they HAVE to travel for business, Don

  • Don DeHoff

    I continue to see much erroneous  information about the TSA program. Ask Google, “History and evolution of the TSA program”. They have volumes of rules and procedure to precude probably 95% of the suggested problems. For instance, most sites have been upgraded to completly  “visually” isolate the scanners from those doing the “hands-on” functions They also have strict rules on how each step of the scanning and pat-down process takes place. I personally would like to see at least one good constructive suggestion on how to improve the process, without “just stopping it”. Also, keep in mind the TSA performs tens of thousands of scanes every day and I think it is well documented they have an overall acceptable “batting average”. Common sense again,  dictates with that many scans, some occasionally will fall through the cracks and yes, the serious ones not only should be, but are being investigated. The TSA progam has an extensive list of persnnel  who  who have been terminated—-and the great majority of incidents reported occured some time ago. I also believe the great majority of passangers would prefer the present program stay in place as opposed to all scanning and screening be eliminated, I personally would not intentionally fly on any commercial airplane where the passangers were not screened—-and I don’t think most passangers want a few extremists making life and death rules for the masses.

    • VeeDub

      @Don DeHoff
       
      Do you understand the difference between” erroneous information” and “differing views of information” based on different facts on the same subject, observed by different people under different circumstances?
       
      Just because you don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean it’s “erroneous”.  It means others see it differently. It means there may be more than one person who has seen different sets of facts, proving there is more than one answer.
       
      Global warming, an excellent example.  Thousands of scientists believe it, thousands don’t.  Yet neither can prove the other wrong.  I’m sure you know the answer though.

      • Hawls

        @VeeDub  @Don DeHoff
         except there aren’t thousands of scientists who don’t believe it. Climate change is pretty accepted in the scientific community.  The cause may be at issue, its existance is not.

        • VeeDub

          @Hawls  
           
          YES!!! There ARE thousands of scientists that don’t buy into the global warming scam!
           
          http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/64734/#HAx9s4mP1ALoXcw6.99
           
          The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master’s level, 2,240  medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic  degree.
           
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
           
          http://www.petitionproject.org/
           
          Those “scientists” which have “accepted” the “THEORY” of global warming are MOSTLY getting paid to accept it.
           
          http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/19/spiegel-ends-europes-climate-denialism-european-media-now-scrambling-to-explain-end-of-warming/
           
          http://climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims–Challenge-UN-IPCC–Gore
           
          Betting I don’t have references to facts which back up what I post, is like betting against the Crimson Tide.  You might catch me once in a while, but you’ll lose a whole lot more often than you’ll win.

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub  @Hawls Thanks for providing links here, Veedub..I have never seen quite so much close-mindedness on BOTH sides, and I am a PhD scientist.  The major issue to me is that this enviro. issue and others have been hijacked by the global socialsists to push global gov’t as the solution to enviro. problems….part of the confusion in the debate stems from the fact that we are in a LONG-TERM cooling trend measured in centuries, but have a short-term WARMING trend measured in decades or one century. As Hawls points out, the CAUSE is being debated, but remember that opponents argued the EXISTENCE until that was no longer tenable

        • VeeDub

          @JRPPP  
           
          I can’t speak to the science.  I know little about it, that I haven’t seen on the discovery channel or my very limited research into it.
           
          All I can speak to is the challenge that what I wrote was incorrect. 
           
          “Global warming, an excellent example.  Thousands of scientists believe it,  thousands don’t.  Yet neither can prove the other wrong.”
           
          I’m certain there is some truth to both sides of the argument.  From what I’ve learned the Earth does this warming and cooling thing all of the time.
           
          I just don’t like being called a liar!  I stand by my post, which pointed out a fact, and took neither side in the debate.

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub i didn’t call you a liar and appreciated the links

        • VeeDub

          @JRPPP
           
          No, No, NO…  Not YOU.  Hawls did. 
           
          I’m sorry you thought I was talking about you.  Go back to his firt post in this thread, where he/she/it wrote ” except there aren’t thousands of scientists who don’t believe it.”

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub that’s OK, hard to follow who said what on these!

    • JRPPP

      @Don DeHoff Elsewhere here, Don equates illegal searches and seizures with stopping at red lites, which is not prohibited by Const. nor does it violate ones person

      • Don DeHoff

        @JRPPP
         JR, I appreciate your dedication to privitizing the passenger screening process. However, this is a world-wide problem and we just cannot have dozens of private firms, “doing it their way”—the way things are going, the Chinese would be doing the screening. This problem requires a coordinated and concentrated effort, under a single “General” And, you took significant liberties with my “red-light” statement. The analogy was simply that we already  have many rules and laws that limit our rights, in the interest of safety and civility. Again, H. Heine covers the issue in a very eloquent manner, “All special charters of freedom must be abrogated where (if) the universal law of freedom is is to flourish” (that is my “if”) . Also, you refuse to accept that with those thousands of scans/screenings everyday, there are actually few complaints, and most of those come from a handful of perpetual complainers, such as you, who are not even being screened.  I  suspect most of those chronic complainers never fly. Also, any private firm would be accessing  the same manpower pool that the TSA uses, and you also refuse to accept that with unemployment being what it is,  many of those TSA people now have degrees and beyond. And to lable the TSA as being staffed with perverts just is not supported by the facts. Once again, ask Google, “History and evolution of the TSA”. I think it would be time well spent. Also, I personally visted a TSA facility at an airport and I found that the scanning process is far removed from the “hands-on pat-down” area and they are far too busy to be indulging in any “perversions. Also, their recorded “scans” are not in sufficient detail to permit anyone to identify the actual person that was scanned. Like so many of the websites, many of the comments are hearsay, innuendo, wishful thinking, or the commenter has a perversion themselves.

        • JRPPP

          @Don DeHoff i tend to agree that this is not a peversion issue for the most part, but there will be those abuses with the best oversight..and i take pride in bearing aperpetual complainer about person freedom and liberties..you van’t understand this wo uknowing how and why 9-11 happened and how O refuses to label ANY muslim aterrorist from Libya to Ft. Hood

        • Don DeHoff

          @JRPPP’JR’. I have been studying the Muslim/Islamic issues now for over 4 years, and I am about as anti-Islam as they come, but that is a seperate, or at least somewhat removed  from the subject of scanning, except for the “free ride” for their females—which is a valid current issue. Also, I have spent a similiar amount of time studying the 9-11 issue, and while it has been some time ago, I as an admitted novice, was able to refute most of the claims that the administration and perhaps the CIA being involved. I went back as far as the 1940s where the B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building. This biggest obstacle is so many people obviously were involved, that it would have been impossible to have kept it a secret within the administration. The “missle” issue does not hold up to the facts and repeated slow motion reviews of the airplanes and explosions do not support the “Bush” theory. The only significant “test” that was run used a 6-story building and we have no real test data for thousands of gallons of J-5 fuel being “dumped” into elevator shafts and stairways of a very tall building, all ignited by super hot jet engines–remember all office buildings are “stuffed full” of highy flamable material.—but again this is all off subject. I would be glad to share my information with you. Note, you will see at least one “tirad” from a perpetual “poster” as to these comments. He (?) implies I am a liar, as to my military career, college degree, which took 10 years of night school, and later 30 years in the insurance world. He implied that was too much for anyone to have done—there are several websites that can document all of the information. You an rest assured, I observed hundreds of military students going to night school and later completing full second careers. Now, at almost age 81, I am attempting to be an author, to which by favorite critic spends much time pointing out my split infinities, dangled modifiers and occasional mispelled words, regardless of the validity of the subject matter. I have assured my critic that is why one hires a good editor (the last time I used that word, I was swamped with “offers”. Now, it is time to get back on topic.

    • JRPPP

      @Don DeHoff you keep saying that most abuses occurred in tha past, yet they get reported more regularly all the time and the TSA is spredainbg to train and hiway..privitize it!

  • JRPPP

    richard reid could have been profiled by his disgusting personal appearance

    • VeeDub

      @JRPPP
       
      Agreed!  I don’t care what the ACLU says, profiling, although not perfect, when done correctly, works

      • Don DeHoff

        @VeeDub  @JRPPPEverybody hold your seats, I agree 110% with “Vee”!

  • VeeDub

    I have the power!  http://youtu.be/w5fPdozaI30

  • VeeDub

    Well, finally, I’ve got to give the TSA credit for a success.
    They have just arrested a notorious, high profile member of Al-ge-bra, attempting to board a flight with weapons of math instruction.
    http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2010/02/15/the-al-gebra-movement/

  • JRPPP

    The TSA Viper squads ares supposed to start killing targets starting 2/22/13

    • Hawls

      @JRPPP
       You are an idiot!  What are you going to say on 2/23/13 when no one is killed?  That the media just isn’t reporting all these murders?  PLEEEAAASE!!!!!

      • JRPPP

        @Hawls What am i going to say? I’ll say I’ll be very pleased?? You don’t think the USA kills people from Ruby Ridge to Waco to 9-11 to various “under-the Radar” dissidents?? You must be a Bush Neoconartist  Republican? Andc the media usually does NOT report these tho they did report the Vince Foster “suicide” but quickly dropped and never reporeted the other Clinton murders. You are a gullible, blind idiot if you want to get into insults–The miliotary, FBI, CIA has and esp. had great PATRIOTS but they are quickly retiring..and i said “supposed” based on DHS insiders who may be fictitious but would have to be anonymous–ytou will find that truth is stranger than fiction in the NWO world. Oh, and you believe that O’s BC is genuine regardless of where he was born

  • VeeDub
  • VeeDub

    TSA to remove controversial X-ray scanners
    Those airport scanners with their all-too revealing body images will soon be going away.
    The Transportation Security Administration says the scanners that used a low-dose X-ray will be gone by June because the company that makes them can’t fix the privacy issues. The other airport body scanners, which produce a generic outline instead of a naked image, are staying.
    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/386c25518f464186bf7a2ac026580ce7/Article_2013-01-19-Airport%20Scanners/id-7f31c65118e24924ab817c3df7c305d6
    Next; the gropers gotta go!

  • Brabado

    Well, why act surpised?
    Just remember who is at the head of it.
    No  surprise here?
     
    IN GOD WE TRUST

    • Hatcherbabygirl

      @Brabado “all others we monitor”

  • roger garza

    about time

  • ves

    Who is surprised by this????
    If there is an image (and it’s better than you think) these clowns have found a way to copy it!?
    Anyone who believes different is a FOOL!
    So sick of US LYING GOVERNMENT!!

    • Don DeHoff

      @ves
       “Ves” where did you get the information that the “scanners” now “copy” those scans that are already “unreadable” as to ID, in the original? I have personally looked at  several, and most all look generally  alike, and there is NO facial or body features that permits one to ID the scan. Also, the TSA rules prohibit such personal “copy” activity. And, if you and those raising so much h—, would just go down to a TSA office and ask to review their scanning  and operating procedures, you all just might stop making a fool out of yourselves. I suspect you all will “disappear” from this website when the next airliner is blown up as a result of your demands for easing of the passenger screening rules and procedures. Does it not strike you as “odd”, that the complaints on this website are coming from about 4 frequent commenters, who obviously have not recently been involved in the actual process—tens of thousands screened everyday and less than a handful of complaints—just who are the perverts and who are not?  And, where will the private companies get their workers?—obviously from the very same “labor pool” that the TSA uses. There has to be much more to this issue, than you people are putting forth. Again, I quote H. Heine, “All special charters of freedom must be abrogated where (if) the universal law of freedom is to flourish” (that is my “if”). Also, Benjamin  Franklin is probably turning over in his grave, because of the narrow interpretation of his quote concerning freedom. And, just where did you handful of people get the idea you can impose rules that may (and probably will) get lots of people killed! Impose them on yourselves but leave the populous at large the right to think for themselves. I suspect at least some of you are “plants” whose task is to take our focus off of the real issues at hand—-Hmmm, what has the Administration been up to today?

      • JackNapper

        @Don DeHoff  @ves
         Don, you’re just being obstinate.  Perhaps because you are such a paranoid government mule (or is it a$$?) and because you just don’t want to admit the point, maybe I’ve not been clear enough:  I do not give a fig for federal meddling where they do NOT and NEVER will belong….I don’t give a damn about whether one or a thousand airliners go down in flames; I refuse to submit to search by ANY governmental official without warrant or probable cause.  ANYTHING else, for ANY reason, is a violation of the 4th amendment.  AND, since I’ve also told you numerous times, I also don’t give a flying leap at a rolling donut about all the case studies and field trips to visit the zoo (TSA Facility? Really, Don? Really?).  Old Benny would be bursting his buttons with pride and those of us patriots who refuse to swallow just any nonsense the government is trying to sell….Heine doesn’t work the way you attempt to twist him.  His statement supports exactly the opposite of your inane babbling.
        ves, you sound like a true patriot that I’d be proud to stand with against the tyranny of the likes of Don and his fellow travelers.

        • VeeDub

          @JackNapper    @ves
           
          That person claiming to have visited TSA screening facilities, brings a few questions to mind.
           
          WHY would they let an unknown person, walk in off of the street and view what they are doing in a “secure” room?
           
          How did they screen that person to make sure he’s not associated with a terrorist group attempting to gain information on their procedures?
           
          Do they allow muslims to do it or just certain people??
           
          If they are letting people just walk in and look at scans, how many invite their buddies in to see the “show”?
           
          Can we find out which facility let that person in so that we can question security measures and TSA procedures there?
           
          Since that person claims to have been able to view what are supposed to be secure, controlled, destroyed images, has that person just proven that the policies at the TSA SUCK, and their claim that the images are private is a lie??????
           
          I’ll stick by a previous assertion that the individual in question personally knows someone working for the TSA.  That would certainly explain why they would not have a problem letting that person (without proper clearance) into a secure room to view secure procedures and images.  The other explanation, of course, would be that the claimed visits never really occurred.
           
          Consider this quote: “So in summation: what you have are one to two to three TSA officers locked in a room, viewing nude passenger images, with a guarantee that no one can barge in on them, and that no surveillance cameras can legally be present.”
           
          And this one:  “Personally, in the I.O. room, I witnessed light sexual play among officers, a lot of e-cigarette vaping, and a whole lot of officers laughing and clowning in regard to some of your nude images,  dear passengers.”

  • ves

    I was never insecure about my body …. I just don’t allow perverts lik!e you to view it unclothed!
    If you think community showering and urinating in front of others is a group activity that friends should be included in then NO ONE CAN HELP YOU!!!

    • JRPPP

      @ves Thank you Ves..and BTW re other comments i saw my parents nude , i never saw them have sex–they had more taste than that, but i guessa lot of college kids have sex in front of their roomates

      • ves

        @JRPPP
        Sorry never saw my parents nude …. don’t even want to think about it or seeing them have sex …. correct my parents- siblings – friends have more class than that! Nope haven’t been in a room where others are having sex – showering or using the bathroom!
        Bob the twit seems to think that’s normal … I don’t and never had a lesbian experience! I think that covers all Bob the twits gay sex dreams!
        Glancing at a woman and admiring her is not the same as having a pervert session while some poor woman is trapped being displayed nude on a viewer!
        This is invasive and dehumanizing and disgusting!
        They can have all the rules and regulations they want … creeps like the power and abuse it!
        Metal detectors PROFILING and well trained dogs are sufficient!
        In fact Profiling is the way the shoe-underware-baby bottle explosives were caught!
        I gave up flying when this crap was put into effect!
        My poor brother gets felt up several times a week (he has to fly at least once a week and sometimes more)!
        Yes! I would fly without TSA feelyaups and nude machines!

        • JRPPP

          @ves  @JRPPP Yup!, invasive and dehumanizing is the key concept–getting folks used to illegal searches and seizures, gross overreaction to even low-key disagreement as in tapes posted here, spreading this to trains (I switched to AMTRAK) and now highways and soon your homes wo warrant or probable cause…there was a post in this blog about TSA woman shouting “I am the power!” But did you ever have to shower in gym class, i would have preferred not to, BTW..thanks for asserting your right to privacy.  Oh, and someone just said this week that they are abandoning some of these viewers as only 10% effective at catching their trials…so, like the flu shot, there is low efficacy and known risks, but we are herded into it..parents not wanting 3-4 DOZEN shots for kids have threats about ahving them taken away

        • Don DeHoff

          @ves  @JRPPP”Ves”, I cannot imagine the life you led as a child, it obviously was quite sheltered. I am one of a dozen kids, and if one saw mom, dad or a sibling naked, it was part of the normal  maturing process, and nothing of which to be ashamed. On the lighter side, if you served a tour in the military, you surely were exposed to showers that accomodated a dozen or so soldiers—-and if anyone “dropped their soap”, there was always a lot of good natured “kabitzing”. Don’t you think it  is somewat odd, that the TSA conducts tens of thousands of scans every day, and there but a very small handful of commenters that see a “perverson” involved. I have taken the time to visit the scanning process at an  airport and one cannot detect any details in a scan that would indentify the person on the street, unless they had two heads, or maybe three arms. Most of the “preversion” is in the minds of just a handful of those making comments. Go visit your local airport; call in advance and ask what is the best time of the day to review their activities. And, passenger screening falls into the same catagory as other ordinary restrictions, like speeding, school zones, stop signs,  etc. And while those are not listed in the constitution, logic, reason and common sense should prevail—-as Henrich Heine said, “All special charters of freedom must be abrogated where (if?) the universal law of freedom is to flourish”

        • JRPPP

          @Don DeHoff  @ves i said i DID see parents and siblings naked so it was not abnormal or risque plus male showers after gym, sports etc. I agree that the perversion thing is secondary and the invasion of privacy is primary but not as much as getting people used to the police state where you are stopped ANYWHERE wo probable cause….AND like the flu shot THEIR OWN TESTS SHOW THEY FAIL, incl. the naked scanners and there is harm for very little benefit…for the secondary and primary, just look at the overreaction to people who argue quietly wo screaming or gesturing..it’s the police state, Don, and it was all set up by the 9-11 false flag so that PATRIOTS would be targeted eventually while exempting muslims from suspicion…I’ll bet Baby Bush and friends were really smirking when they thought THAT one up..just use the dogs and metal detectors, Don witha privitized force that can’t get on the highways or our homes.
           
          You lead asheltered life if you haven’t taught/remembered the lessons of history

        • ves

          @Don DeHoff @JRPPP
          You equate being publically scanned nude to waiting on a traffic light … YOUR Logic is sick and twisted!
          Yes! My parents believed in Modesty and PRIVACY and no we aren’t ashamed of our bodies! Only someone trying to
          twist Reality to Suit their argument would come up with that! A swim instructor in Jr/Sr High showered in our suits!
          Women have a different view of group nudity ….glad YOU liked it …. I don’t!
          NO the percentage of abuse is actually very high and you are. Full of it!
          If you allow your freedom to be taken from you them you wind up with out freedom and I don’t need quotes from a twisted source! Don’t reply we are done …. take your marxist commist socialist people are sheep view and put it where the sun doesn’t shine! I grewup with freedom and intend to keep it! This crap should have never been allowed! They should profile … metal scan and well trained dogs! The new scanners show clearer nude scans … so we are just being BSed as usual!!

        • JRPPP

          @ves  @Don  @JRPPP thanks, Ves 1` 11

        • ves

          @JRPPP
          Thank you …. you understand the difference!
          These jerks were already setting up these machine at train and bus stations and DO have scanning equipment set up along freeways in unmarked vans and they have it loaded in police cars and copters (visual and voice)!
          Not a joke and I’m not laughing!
          This is ALL about conditioning Physical Actions/Reactions and Word Useage!
          It’s ALL about taking us into this marxist communist socialist One World Order!
          When I started hearing about this I laughed … however I’m not laughing any longer!
          Don’t bother with Don and Bob with crap is ok with people like them because they are Part of it!
          By the way women dress to make themselves feel good that day … the only time it’s to impress another woman is when it’s a rival … yep we also dress to please the man in our lives!
          You sound like a decent person unlike these two others!
          Glad you’re on my side … the sad part so many don’t get and even more don’t have the courage to state it!

        • JackNapper

          @Don DeHoff  @ves  @JRPPP
           Don,
          I went through all that and more; but you seem to be ignoring the REAL “perversion” here:  TSA, by their very existence” ARE a “perversion.”  ANY infringement on any part of the Constitution or the ammendments to it IS a perversion….unless ratified by 38 or more states. Period.  I don’t want to discuss it….except at bayonet point.  It wouldn’t be the first time and I fear it won’t be the last, as long as people who see things like you do exist.  Enjoy your little world.

        • ves

          @JackNapper @Don DeHoff @JRPPP
          Thank you.
          Jack and JR So many try to down play the infringement of personal rights and I am very afraid of what it is going to come down to! Yes I know that there is a lot of organization going on out there and I’m very very glad!
          Kick a good dog enough and it will turn and rip your throat out!
          It seems Basic Morality….Common Sense…. Decency….Modesty…Privacy….Real Education and Good Manner Are now to be mowed down by the Action of Lunatic and their wish to control others! They think they have gotten everyone educated into the herd effect …. some maybe but the Majority that have Actually been born here and whose ancestor help found this country aren’t going to allow it!
          God Bless!

        • ves

          @JackNapper @Don DeHoff @JRPPP
          Thank you.
          Jack and JR So many try to down play the infringement of personal rights and I am very afraid of what it is going to come down to! Yes I know that there is a lot of organization going on out there and I’m very very glad!
          Kick a good dog enough and it will turn and rip your throat out!
          It seems Basic Morality….Common Sense…. Decency….Modesty…Privacy….Real Education and Good Manner Are now to be mowed down by the Action of Lunatic and their wish to control others! They think they have gotten everyone educated into the herd effect …. some maybe but the Majority that have Actually been born here and whose ancestors help found this country aren’t going to allow it!
          God Bless!

        • VeeDub

          @JackNapper  @Don DeHoff  @ves  @JRPPP
           
          It would seem that the very fact TSA is now going to get rid of those scanners, proves that those of us against them have been vindicated.  
           
          And those who defended them….. Well they’ve said all they need to, about their beliefs and willingness to abandon the U.S. Constitution.
           
          http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/386c25518f464186bf7a2ac026580ce7/Article_2013-01-19-Airport%20Scanners/id-7f31c65118e24924ab817c3df7c305d6

        • JRPPP

          @VeeDub  @JackNapper  @Don DeHoff  @ves and Don, wo privitization, we can STILL have dogs and metal detectors

    • Don DeHoff

      @ves”Ves”, there is a real world out there. When on combat patrol or in a foxhole, one goes were they can. In a bomber, or large transport one stands before  a can wiith a relief tube–(they have made privacy allowances for women now days). I admit I know not how “mixed patrols”handle all of the details. Also, in my basic training, all showers had room for a dozen or so people, and we joked about “don’t drop your soap”. Also, in the agriculture community out in the field with the horizon visble in all directions, with perhaps a half dozen fellow workers, “you do what one has to do”. .And,  a very real life situation, even the most modern football stadiums have20-40 foot long “trough” urinals. Yes, you do have a serious hang up about real life, as do many of those commenting about invasions of privacy while be scanned in an airport. As H. Heine said, “All special charters of freedom must be abrogated where the universial law of freedom is to flourish”. That quote fits all of thos examples  to a “T”. Again, does  anyone not think it odd that with tens of thousands of scans everday, there is but a very small  group on this website who complain about this privacy, freedom and pervert issues—; “tis but a small price to pay for the safety of several hundred people”. I have personally visted a TSA operation and their scans could not be used to identify  people, as a persons  body surface and features are  barely, if at all, visable. And yes, scans detect women’s sanitary products, breast implants, and  similiar items—detecting “objects” are exactly what the devices are supposed to do, including  foreign objects in body cavities and surgically implanted.

      • VeeDub

        @ves
         
        I’m not surprised that the one individual would bring up dropping soap in the shower.  Seems his mind lingers in that area.
         
        I’m also not surprise he would “imagine” that a person who never joined the military would be willing, and should be required, to give up their Constitutional rights.
         
        He seems to think that everyone should be required to give up their rights, even those who didn’t sign an enlistment or commission contract to join the military, and be willing to endure the sacrifices that Veterans make.
         
        Certainly they do make them, but not everybody can.  That’s why not everybody joins the military and why not everybody that does makes it.  It’s not for everyone.

      • VeeDub

        @ves
         
        And how appropriate the individual above would quote a German/Frenchman who never knew the freedoms Americans have.   That truly shows you where that person’s train of thought runs off of the freedom tracks.
         
        Heinrich Heine’s radical political views led to many of his works being banned by German  authorities. Heine spent the last 25 years of his life as an expatriate in  Paris.
         
        The only reason Heine wasn’t also deported from France with his buddy Karl Marx, was because Heine could not be expelled from the country because he had the right of  residence in France.  In the French edition of “Lutetia” Heine wrote: “This  confession, that the future belongs to the Communists, 
         
        It’s bad enough being deported from Germany, but how sorry does one have to be for France to want to get rid of you?
         
        Now we can see that person’s ideas of freedom are influenced by people like Marx and Heine.  No wonder he’s OK with the Constitution being ignored!

      • TallTom01

        @Don DeHoff  @ves
         As a Security Measure the TSA is completely ineffective. It serves to humiliate those that fly on Commercial Aircraft.
         
        The last time that I flew the Stewardess served me a lethal weapon. The empty aluminum can, torn in two,  is as sharp as any Box Cutter. Folded it is just as strong as a knife blade.
         
        You are full of crap. They are not there to create safety. They are there to stifle Liberty.
         
        Besides it is just too easy to shoot Aircraft down when they are “On Final Approach”/ One just delivers enough Kinetic Energy to the Engines. That is about 26 Dynes. A Bird Strike will shut the Engines down. Without the Engines powering the Thrust Reversers the Aircraft cannot stop on the short runways.
         
        Alternatively one can accomplish the very same effect as an Aircraft is taking off. Have you ever heard of Bird Strikes? This information is widely available online.
         
        One that will trade their Liberty for Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
         
        Shall I expose other weaknesses?

        • Don DeHoff

          @TallTom01  @ves”TallTom01. Sir, don’t attempt to lecture me on flying I am a retired USAF officer and Command Pilot, with about 4500 hours, most all in multi-engine aircraft–I have had my share of “bird strikes” and an occasion strike with harder stuff while in Vietnam—I have flown our Ambasador to Vietnam, General Westmoreland (on occasion) and his sucessor (name escapes me, but then I am 80 years young). and General Officers at Hq, Air Defense Command and have even wrecked a couple of airplanes (That is when one runs out of altitude, airpeed and ideas, all at the same time). I admit my favorite “little” jet was the T-39 Saberliner. I have made my fair share of “max-climb” take-offs and tight steep approaches to avoid ground fire. I suggest we not discuss the possibilities for shooting down airliners, as we just might give some terrorist or nut an idea he did not previously have. You are also way off-base as to  thrust reversers—-The “big birds” can land on short runways without reversing,  but at the expense of replacing expensive brakes and overheated tires. Also a single “bird strike” could, not necessarly “would”,  shut down  “an engine”, (not “engines”) but  I do agree that geese and airplanes don’t “mix” very well. Shooting down airplanes on take-off and landing, usually have far too many witnesses. And neither you nor I can say just how many airplanes have been saved  by our screening process as that is analogous to “proving a negative”. We do know, an on-board bomb is a “cheap” way of getting the job done. As for Benjamin Franklin, he is probably turning over in his grave the way so many of you distort the overall meaning of his “freedon vs. seurity” quotation. I frequently quote Heinrich Heine’s, “All special charters of freedom must be abrogated where (if) the universial law of freedom is to flourish” (that is my “if”). One commenter always screams “Hitlerite”, when I use it, but I don’t get too excited in that Heine lived between 1797 and 1856—I think that was a “little” before Hitler’s rampage. Finally, yes you can expose some “more” of my weaknesses.

        • VeeDub

          @TallTom01  @ves
           
          The all knowing flying expert continues to quote a German/Frenchman (Heinrich Heine) who never knew the freedoms Americans have. That, in itself, shows exactly why his train of thought, runs completely off of the freedom tracks and straight into a police state.
           
          Heinrich Heine’s radical political views led to many of his works being banned by German authorities. Heine spent the last 25 years of his life as an expatriate in Paris.
           
          The only reason Heine wasn’t also deported from France with his buddy Karl Marx, was because Heine could not be expelled from the country because he had the right of residence in France. In the French edition of “Lutetia” Heine wrote: “This confession, that the future belongs to the Communists,
           
          It’s bad enough Heine was deported from Germany, but how sorry does one have to be for France to want to get rid of you?
           
          That person scoffs at a Quote from a Founding Father (Ben Franklin) while embracing the radical, communist quotes of someone who associated with Karl Marx. 
          No wonder he’s OK with the Constitution being ignored!  He’s doing a wonderful job of supporting the agenda of the Socialist/Communist/Democrat Party.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff  @TallTom01  @ves
           
          DO DE;  I’d hate to call you a liar on here (again).  But would you please point out where I (or anyone) screamed “Hitlerite” in reference to you quoting Heine?
           
          You wrote; “One commenter always screams “Hitlerite”, when I use it,”
           
          I never accused Heine of being a supporter of Hitler or Nazi Germany, nor did I imply it.  Quite the contrary.  He was a COMMUNIST that associated with Marx.  Eventhe Nazi’s were smart enough to fear communism!
           
          I pointed out his association with Karl Marx and even included this quote In the French edition of “Lutetia” Heine wrote: “This  confession, that the future belongs to the Communists,”.
           
          Please pay attention and try and stick to the facts!  If you have this much trouble keeping up with a blog, how much factual information are you really getting out of your “study” of everything in the world?

        • Don DeHoff

          @VeeDub  @TallTom01  @ves”VeeDub, as usual, you “pick and choose” issues from a single article and put fortth a picture that suits  what appears to be your very narrow (gun-barrel) vision. First, you appear not to have the faintest conceipt of the difference between a “liar” and one who has a different opinion as to what the facts are. I notice that your “liar” response occurs frequently throughout your posts, even after the statements have been later verified. And, I don’t recall you ever apologizing for what could be “libel” statements.  When one asks Google, “Heine and Marx”, there are pages of informtion, which clearly states they were not on the same political and religious  “wave length” or when it came to communism. Heine appeals to me for his poetic abilities: he is considered on of the best from the European part of the world. Also, Marx lived 1818–1883 and Heine  lived 1797-1856 , and Heine was paralized and bed-ridden the last 8 years of  his life—they were “associates” during Heine’s earlier  years and perhaps were in the same “mutual admiiration society”, but they were surely not “fellow travelers”. And you take it upon yourself to assume that I “scoffed” at the quotes of Benjaman Franklin—I neither made nor implied such a thing—I merely added another quote that added to the issue at hand. Vee, why do you spend so much time on this kind off-subject issues, and using gutter language in the process? You obviously are not ignorant which leaves me to conclude  you intentionally do this to take the readers’ attention off of what is really going on within the Administration. If it is unintenional, I applogize, but the fact still remains your freguent tirades do seriously detract from the issues of the day. Lt us continue agree to disagree, but do so in a civil manner. Deal?

        • TallTom01

          @Don DeHoff  @ves
           Yes I will say that Military Jets have their engine intakes quite nicely protected. However I remember in Nam a small caliber strike taking out an F-14.  (Lucky hit???) Commercial Airliners are much different. As for targeting multiple engines??? As for short runways??? Ever land at San Diego International?
          You cannot eliminate all threats. Would you care that I expose how to smuggle a Poison Gas Generator? At altitude a Commercial Jet Pressurized Cabin just becomes a Gas Chamber. Do you know why these events are NOT HAPPENING??? THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT…PERIOD. The TSA has not stopped ANYTHING. It is a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BOONDOGGLE.
           
          What I found curious is that you did NOT address the problem of the Stewardess handing one a weapon AFTER one has boarded. It makes all of those pre-boarding “precautions” rather ineffective.
           
          I am curious to hear that response…

        • ves

          @TallTom01 @Don DeHoff
          You are very correct the strap on my purse …long plastic garbage ties or shoe laces are lethal weapons! My co-workers beautiful wife was murdered by a monster while on her knees praying and begging for her life while he strangled her with shoelaces!
          Dogs Profiling and metal detector and fellow passengers are the way they have actually been caught!
          Thank you very much for the info … sounds like you might have done some of the same type of work my military relatives are in!
          Gob Bless … wish we have more like you!

        • ves

          @TallTom01 @Don DeHoff
          You are very correct the strap on my purse …long plastic garbage ties or shoe laces are lethal weapons! My co-workers beautiful wife was murdered by a monster while on her knees praying and begging for her life while he strangled her with shoelaces!
          Dogs Profiling and metal detector and fellow passengers are the way they have actually been caught!
          Thank you very much for the info … sounds like you might have done some of the same type of work my military relatives are in … we have flight mechanics as well as pilots and others!
          Gob Bless … wish we had more like you!.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff    
           
          OK DOH! Verify this. YOU wrote; ” “One commenter always screams “Hitlerite”, when I use it” “.
           
          SHOW US! Show us where, who, when. Where is it at?????
           
          Show us the word “Hitler” or even Nazi in response to you quoting a communist.
           
          We’re not even worried about “always” DOH, just show us one time, that’s all the proof you’ll need to prove me wrong.
           
          If you can’t (and we ALL know you can’t) then by any definition, in ANY dictionary, that statement is a lie!!!! 
           
          Just like every other lie you have been caught in!
           
          You’re a “writer”, you ought to know the meaning of that everyday word!
           
          And the off topic comments you keep ranting about are always, ALWAYS a response to the off topic CRAP you posted to start with!
           
          Yes DOH!  YOU post it, then cry fowl, when somebody responds to YOUR off topic crap and turns it around on you.
           
          Who gives a rat’s rear arse why Heine “appeals” to you?  This ain’t about Heine, this isn’t about you flying or writing or how old your wife is or what religions you study or any of the multitude of things you’ve felt compelled to share with us, to “impress” us. 
           
          This is about perverts in the TSA and cowards who are willing to give up their rights and force others to do so for a little perceived “safety”.  So quit bringing up off topic crap to complain about, and I won’t have so much to respond to.

        • TallTom01

          @ves  @TallTom01  @Don
           @ves…I am not a proponent of the TSA. I am pointing out that they have been, are, and will continue to be INEFFECTIVE.
           
          There is no safety. Nobody leaves Planet Earth alive. It is a fact. The REASON that attacks do not happen is because American passengers are no longer going to allow it to happen. We are not going to be herded toward the slaughterhouse willingly.
           
          Dogs, profiling, and metal detectors have not PREVENTED anything. Fellow passengers, post 9-11, on the other hand, have killed assailants in flight.
           
          Recently there was a 12 Year old Disabled Girl who did not wash her hands after using the toilet. The Toilet Safety Administration did a Swab Test which came up positive for explosives. (Urea is a Nitrate and that is what the swabs detect…Nitrates) They put her through the ringer. They protected all of those passengers from possible infection.
           
          Is this what it has come down to?
           
          That is why I advocate Concealed Carry on all Airliners. You did not have Hijacks until they banished the guns. Then hijacking became much more frequent.
           
          By limiting Freedoms one places themselves in peril.
           
          You had best thank God for the Military. The Military will place their ass on the line for you. Then you thank God for the Scientists and Engineers as we are the people who design their weapons.

        • VeeDub

          @Don DeHoff    
           
          Here’s another from the past DoDeDo  This one is a couple weeks old.   I even left in where I corrected more of you spelling disasters. 
           
          Don, you wrote “according to you, I will be probably be condemed to “Hades”.  
           
          Please show me where I wrote that.  If you can’t then, we’ll all know that comment by you is also a lie. 
           
          Oh by the way, it’s condemned not “condemed”.
           
          Man up Don, admit the truth, and for Christ’s sake, post a fact or two, instead of just your ASSumptions, beliefs, and opinions! Perhaps it’s not your multiple copies of the U.S. Constitution that are worn out, but your Alinsky collection.
           
          DODEDO; We’ve got some new posters on here, would you like for me to go back and bring them out again and show everyone how many times you’ve been caught?  I’d be happy to, I still have them ALL!

  • Hawls

    What a crappy article!  I have a relative who is part of the TSA. He is a federal air marshal and far from being fresh out of high school or a GED he has two masters degrees. In order to be an air marshal he went through rigorous training.  He came to the TSA after serving combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.  He was, what is refered to in todays army and marines as a “trigger”, that is a soldier serving in essence,  a combat infantryman’s role.  He fought and killed for this country.  Most of his federal sky marshal compatriots are also Iraq/Afghan combat veterans.  If just one of them had been on the September 11 planes the World Trade Center would still be standing!   I find any comments here denegrating their patriotism, or calling them facist or communist offensive.  These people have risked far, far more for the US the ninty per cent of the people here!

    • JRPPP

      @Hawls Like the military, their patriotism is badlt misused by the Bush-Obama NWO stooges

    • JackNapper

      @Hawls
      As a combat vet, I salute your air marshal relative.  No where in this article, nor in any of MY comments will you find me denigrating air marshals nor the potential benefit they may provide.  The issue being discussed (this article) has NOTHING to do with your relative, per se.  I’m talking about the folks that provide the unreasonable and unwarranted searchs in the airports…..if TSA also administers air marshals, this is a function that can be run by any of the more respectable private security companies.  The very existence of TSA is otherwise an insult to patriots like your relative;  your relative took the same oath that every veteran takes, to defend the Constitution….and the Constitution guarantees that there will be NO unreasonable, unwarranted search and seizure.  Period.  Perhaps you should READ the article, before you write criticism of something you obviously you don’t understand.

    • AnthonyAlexander

      @Hawls
      Most air marshals are undercover so people don’t know they are there. Therefore they blend in with regular travelers. It’s part of their MO when working with the TSA. Yes they should be treated with respect and it’s obvious these people are excluded from the VISIBLE ones we are referring to. These are the FAT lazy ones I have encountered that RUN these scanners and the useless stupid ones that treat the average traveler with disrespect when they use these scans to make fun of people, when they have a lot of nerve to make fun of people when they are gargantuan, gross, sloppy and hard to look at. They are disgusting…..

    • BornSkeptik

      @Hawls Well said. It’s time we stopped painting with such a broad brush. Are their idiots at TSA that would leer at xrays? I’m sure there are. Are ALL TSA agents guilty? No. And I’d bet that the majority are not in the business of leering.

      • VeeDub

        @BornSkeptik @Hawls
        Not really! The article is about TSA screeners and the nude body scans. The article does not mention air marshals once! It is job specific and not all inclusive of every TSA employee.
        Secondly; you’re sure there are agents leering, but not all? Then how many is an acceptable number to you? Are we to let them get away with it if there is only a certain number of them doing it?

    • jacquebquique

      @Hawls
       Just wait till BHO rebuilds the military in his “offbeat” image. Your relative will be dead and the gays and lesbians will have his job. Count on it. It will be clones of Hillary and the bois who will be in the hermitically sealed room laughing at the scans while they pass around their joints.

  • VeeDub

    Seems the courts are starting to see it our way.  http://www.alan.com/2013/01/27/man-who-stripped-and-showed-4th-amendment-on-chest-wins-trial-for-being-detained/
     
    I’m sure this will come as a disappointment to those who defend the unconstitutional actions of our government, while quoting verse from one who associated with Karl Marx and was so radical he was kicked out of his own country.

    • ves

      @VeeDub
      Thank you so much for the link (I enjoy you post and appreciate your insight) … I can’t believe Alan had anything that was unfavorable to his side on there!
      Thank God for that judge … we have too few like him … wish it was different! Sick of people like Don De and his misinformed twisted logic and sick of that BS Quote he keeps repeating! I guess he can’t understand our country was founded by people that had had their own freedom taken from them and their families in the various countries they orginated from! The Russians Irish and Scots are good examples of what happens when your weapons are illegal!
      Now our bunch of limited intelligence elected officials are going again to weak and further bankrupt the US with more uncontrolled Immigration from marxist communist socialist nazi fascist radicial muslim countries while ramming AMNESTY for over 30MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS down our throats!! They can NOT Understand that for Every Foreign National that is Imported into the US a LEGAL US CITIZEN LOSES THEIR JOB … becomes destuite..
      WHEN Will any of Them Work for the Rights and Protections of LEGAL US CITIZENS???

  • IronMike76

    What did you do to prevent this type of behavior from occurring again? Blog about it? Seems to me that a person of such outstanding character should have immediately confronted the offender(s), contacted management and apologized to the customer(s). These GED-bearing knuckledraggers should have been removed from government service. We all know that “low-education” = “low-morals” – right?
     
    The hardest part about “doing the right thing” is confronting the wrong thing. Doesn’t appear that you helped the situation. We all know that “naked scanners” are bad (how many times have America’s favorite whipping-boys – TSA – been “blogged about”? Yawn.)…now we know a little more about you.

    • Bobvans

      @IronMike76 You have a good point too bad you acted holier than thou in your comment. I suppose you will always confront perpetrators?
      From other posts of yours i av read, i think your words speak louder than your actions.

      • IronMike76

        @Bobvans  @IronMike76 Always, Bob. I just did. But I don’t feel the necessity to dredge up old news just to fulfill some new-age rsponsibility to occupy bandwidth for the sole purpose of complaining. People seem to think they can just throw anything up on the www and everyone is going to gasp and jump on-board. Not sure where you think you’ve read anything I’ve written. I rarely use this pseudonym…and I haven’t used it more than a half-dozen times ever. But thanks for paying attention.