Muslims to Hold Conference at Episcopal Church in California

Every church that I have belonged to, had strict standards for anyone wishing to use the church facilities for any type of function.  The person or organization had to be Christian and believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  At one church, I served as chairman of the board of deacons and we turned down several requests from outside groups because their religious views were not in keeping with our church’s standards.

However, many churches are not that caring about their standards and in fact many liberal churches these days don’t even have any standards.

A group founded by followers of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Public Affairs Council just announced that they had decided to hold their 12 Annual Convention at the All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, California.  The choice was made in their attempt to ‘cross interfaith lines.’

Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) was spawned by the Islamic Center of Southern California (ICSC) which has been involved in an interfaith outreach program for several years now.  They claim that their goal is to educate other religions, Christians and Jews, that they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbors.  ICSC has been holding weekly prayers at the First United Methodist Church of Santa Monica.

MPAC was started by a pair of Egyptian brothers who were involved with the Muslim Brotherhood while still quite young.  One of the brothers, Maher Hathout spent three years in an Egyptian prison for his involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 1960s.  Several years after his release, his family moved to Buffalo, New York and eventually out to California.

In 1978, Maher Hathout helped organize and start the ICSC and in 1986, he and his brother Hassan, established the MPAC as an offshoot of the ICSC.  Their goal was to enhance and spread the “Islamic Movement” by bringing Islam to as much of America as possible.  In 1997, Hassan said:

“America needs Islam. If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.”

Maher Hathout has also defended Hamas and the Hezbollah, claiming they are both legitimate organizations that are just trying to defend their own existence.  He has also stated on a number of occasions that the US government has purposely lied about the identities of the 9/11 terrorists.

There is a lot more to say about the background of the two brothers and the real mission behind the Muslim Public Affairs Council, but suffice it to say, that their purpose is not to just get along with other faiths.  They have clearly stated in the past that their mission is to make converts to Islam out of every American, and what better way than to appear all friendly and buddy-buddy with local churches.  They’ll be more than happy to help members of those churches to convert to Islam, but what do you think they’d do if one of their own converted to Christianity?  In most Muslim groups, especially the Muslim Brotherhood, converting to Christianity or Judaism generally results in a death sentence.

Islamic groups such as MPAC and ICSC are nothing more than wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to infiltrate the flock with a goal in mind – consume as many of the fold as possible.  I advise all to be cautious and concerned when having any dealings with them.  Personally, I trust them as much as I trust Barack Obama and Eric Holder, whom I have no trust for whatsoever.







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  • protectliberty

    Interesting — wonder what is behind this movement for the Muzzzies to enter the church?
     
    I guess we will soon find out.
     
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  • DeaconG

    Considering the Episcopal church in California ordains gay clergy and will bless same sex marriages I am not surprised at all. Satan is the ultimate deciever and so are his followers. The road to hell is a thousand lanes wide so there is room for all liberals and their ilk like the communists and Muslims to travel that pathway together.
    Satan has many names Mohammed and Allah are just two of them.  As an Ordained Deacon in the Catholic church I am not like the deacons in other faiths who are Elders. I am a Minister, I Baptize, Marry and Bury the faithful. God has a plan make no mistake about that, I just don’t know when he intends to show the faithful what we are going to be called to do. Keep the Faith.
    Merry Christmas !

    • BlueViolets

      @DeaconG Not a Catholic but I do agree with your assessment.  And a very Blessed and Merry Christmas to you too.

      • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

        @BlueViolets  @DeaconG Merry Christmas

      • Redeemed89

        I am also not a Catholic, but I also agree with DeaconG.  This country is very quickly running down the road to destruction—-just as Kruschev said, “that the US will destroy itself from within,” several years ago.   Immoral deeds of abortion, gay unions, gay marriages, Satan worshipers such as the Muslims, and Muslim Brotherhood, are all condemned in the ONLY True God’s Word – the Bible!!!
          @DeaconG

    • RemnantoftheD

      @DeaconG And a Very Merry Christmas to you to Deacon! May God bless you and all who are wise enough to listen to you!

  • J Joy

    Does anyone else think of this as odd??

  • KeithCP

    2 Corinthians 6:14

  • JoanNeel

    You said it perfectly – I can’t add a thing, other than people need to wake up to the fact that the Muslims have one goal – convert the world or kill all who refuse to convert.  Marsi just said in his new Constitution, that anyone who refuses to convert, or leaves the muslim faith will die.

  • AmbicaKissunConverse

    We are definitely in the last days. This should not surprise us because the church has been compromising more so now.

  • KevinK

    Satan sure is having a great time at the expense of others, and so be it.  He knows his time is short and he’s going to make as much trouble and take as many people with him as he can.  I thank God for the shed blood of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice for those who believe upon Him is the ONLY thing that can save anyone from the pit of hell.

  • garybsmith

    I am actually willing to accept that the majority of Muslims born in the USA are probably not a physical danger to us (cultural is another matter).  It’s the billion or so born outside the USA that seem to be the issue.  They don’t like us mostly.  Now, probably 90% of them just dislike us without wanting to do anything about it, but that leaves 100 million who would really like us to disappear.  If only 10% of them are willing to act, then we have 10 milllion reasons to be worried, and to tell us that worrying is somehow wrong seems somewhat disingenuous.  I’ll not say anything about anywhere the Islamics want to meet, but I’ll also keep my eyes open.

    • journeyladyca

      @garybsmith Wake up and smell the coffee my friend …..they want to undermine the Christian faith that America was built upon…..these people will do ANYTHING TO get people to join their hate filled cult…….

      • garybsmith

        @journeyladyca
         To wit the cultural disclaimer.  I still think the next big attack (not little ones like Fort Hood) will come from non-American Muslims.  I fully understand the Sharia movement by US born Muslims, but it seems to be with ballots, not bullets and in the courts.  It must be resisted, of course, but violence will come from foreigners.

        • RivahMitch

          @garybsmith  @journeyladyca You may be willing to bet your life on that but don’t bet the lives of others.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @garybsmith Put the pig blood, shit and fat outside the church while they’re inside it. Make them walk in it to get out.

  • crash357

    Hey, Great Idea. And we can even open up the Baptist Church for the WICCA to hold their yearly get together, or even the Satanic Church why not while your there.

  • Buford Liberty

    You can’t take fire into your bosom and not get burned.

  • PghVince

    GREAT time for a PIG roast!!!!   SAVE the blood and the grease!!
    If WE sprayed them with ‘holy’ water, would they melt and die??

  • DaveB

    “If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.”
    Looking at today’s society, can you deny the validity of that statement?
    I won’t say America needs Islam, but we sure as hell need something!

    • Obummer

      @DaveB We have it right in front of us but most choose to ignore it.  His name is Jesus Christ.

  • DockyWocky

    Maybe some irate Episcopalians could make them moslems feel at home by forcing their way into the so-called conference and beheading the lot – just like what would happen if word got our that some Christians were planning a meeting in some Saudi mosque.

  • RemnantoftheD

    “That this current civilzation harbors in it’s body the seeds of it’s own destruction”? Really? And what may I ask is going on in the middle east today?
    Right! That’s what I thought to! Unbelievable!

    • RivahMitch

      @RemnantoftheD The fact that a church is allowing them to use its facility proves the statement.

    • The Watson

      Remnan
      What is going in all of the middle east & north Africa is Muslims are uniting under Islam.  Their plan is first to re-take Europe & than the world (America).

      • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

        @The Watson Ain’t gonna happen.

  • Ladybug2948

    Have pig walk throughout the church and leave a nice trail, that will solve the problem with these thugs.
    I do not understand these Episcopalian Church members, how can you allow this to happen? are you all nuts?!?!

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @Ladybug2948 I like the idea of putting the pig stuff outside the church while they’re inside it :)

      • Ladybug2948

        I’d rather put the pig stuff out there BEFORE these filthy Muslims get into the Church; that would be a nice deterrent, cheap. Put some boards here and there warning that you are about to step in pig ‘stuff’. Don’t let them get into the Church.

  • other opinions

    I am Episcopal in affliation and assume that the church I support (out of state) that is Episcopal will gladly host an atheist(sp) Morman,Buddists,Devil Worship, Witchcraf, Nazi etc. and other “religions (progrssives in government?>) to help educateothers that their “Faith” is not a threat to Christians. I am rethinking any contribution to the national and church councils. Wow interesting news. The gay marriage and other issues have already spliut the church all we need is this controversy. All Saints must have a vestry interested in getting rid of the church or using it for secular agendas.

    • CarlStevenson

      @other opinions yes, but when when the “We’re not a threat” is a LIE, it’s stupid to aid and abet them! It’s like Hanibal Lecter telling you, “My that’s a cute little girl you have there! How about I babysit for you some time?” And you think it’s OK because you don’t have any chianti in the house …

  • MilitaryPatriot

    This is insane. Can you immagine the Christians or any other religious group, etc., asking the Muslim community, if they can hold an annual conference in their Mosque. They would have a fit and  it wouldn’t be allowed. And further more, why can’t these devils hold their annual conference in a public auditorium, any empty building standing in a town, etc… I will tell you why they are doing this. It’s free and like the moochers they don’t want to pay for anything and they want to foul up the serenity of our Christian Church. They will probably vandalize it while there. Why can’t they hold their conference in one of their big Mosque to begin with. This is just pure cr@p. It’s a scam and nother more than converting tactics. “See how serene, nice and peaceful we are. We just ALL want to get along”  Yeah right, in a pig’s eye. They better be sure that they clean with chlorine bleach after they have been there. Pigs from hell.

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @MilitaryPatriot —-The Infidel would NEVER be allowed spread any other point of view in one of their Mosques.

  • RivahMitch

    Unless and until every muslim in America is at least as ill-at-ease as the average Copt in Egypt, we’re losing. DEPOPULATE Islam!! KTNN!

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    This is the ultimate result of faulty theology and a lack of confessional foundations on the part of the Episcopalians. Jesus warned of such apostasy.
     
    If you don’t believe in something, you’ll fall for anything.  The muslims are laughing at them as we read all this, I can assure you.

  • exbuckeye

    It says that in ‘the last days’ even the elect will be deceived. Not sure if the Episopalians are among the
    elect if this is how they believe and act but this seems to follow what Revelations says about those times!!

  • George F Somsel

    You forget that we Episcopalians are not so narrow-minded as some. 
     
    Seriously though, I do have a problem with allowing Muslims to use the church for a meeting, but that isn’t the only matter that concerns me about the direction the Episcopal Church is headed.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      @George F Somsel
       When muslims invade a country or region, their edict is to take a prominent church or building and turn it into a mosque! Good luck trying to get it back!!!! But, it is you that let them have their prize!

      • George F Somsel

        @Combat Veteran Seabee
         Did you read the entire post or only the first line?

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          @George F SomselYes I read it, as you should also, but it is you that needs to be more educated about the muslim culture. I gave you some historic background to start with, need it natrrowed down more, Try Spain and the Moors. That should educate you some!
           Muslims don’t reach out to cross muli cultural barriers. In their culture, they are the only culture and we are all infidels. The difference between a “Moderate Muslim, and an Extreme Muslim, is only their distance from the bomb!

        • Obummer

          @Combat Veteran Seabee   I love that last line “…their distance from the bomb !”  So simple and truthful.  I whole heartily agree !!

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @George F Somsel
       I take God at His Word. I do not twist it to satisfy my proclivities. If that is narrow minded, then yes I am.You should have more than a “problem”.  You should be outraged.  You should be writing letters, sending emails, making phone calls, starting petition drives, stiring up trouble for what this bishop is doing. Either that, get out of that denomination as fast as you can and saturate it with your absence.

  • CesarMGonzalezBetancourt

    Why do you worry about Muslims ??   It’s true that Muslims are fanatical wackos, but so is the Christian Right…..You are all the same religious fanatics.   Let God himself stop the spread of Islam if   “he ”  is such an all-powerful 
    ” god ” who sees all, and can do all things.  You are deluding yourselves with myths…..The religions of today will be the ancient mythology of tomorrow.  Wake up people.

    • star czar

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt and in the meantime, until God does His thing, the likes of you will be made quite dead by these people…

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt I don’t get it Cesar, you capitalize muslims and lower case God and He. The Christian right is right.

    • pjconway53

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt You better hope you are right. You have more faith than I do to not believe in the God of the bible. Your eternity is counting on you being right. If you are wrong, it will be very sad for you and all those you have infected with your godless life. Have a Merry Christmas my friend and may God have mercy on you.

      • CesarMGonzalezBetancourt

        @pjconway53      So that means that almighty ” god ” requires his favorite creation to believe blindly in order to be  ” saved ”  …. Nice plan from a divine intelligence : I will save you if your believe without seeing.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt @pjconway53 / Ceasar, why do you care what Christians believe? Why is that a threat to YOU? Live and let live! You are free to believe as you wish, as long as you are peaceful and non-viiolent. I do have a problem with one group That pickets our fallen soldiers at their funerals and harass their families. That seems a bit nutty to me. That is ONE small isolated “Church”

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourtYou are so innaccurate and off base it is pathetic.Your ignorance is un-assailable and insurmountable. You have denied the truth in front of your eyes, so you are without excuse. There is no one so blind as one who WILL not see.

  • jjbb

    who cares?

    • star czar

      @jjbb Yeah, after all, they are just checking out how to convert it to a mosque…nothing to see here…

    • MilitaryPatriot

      @jjbb I do. They can go rent a dance hall and hold it there. They are trying to convert and take this country over. You idiot. What do you think they are trying to do. Grow up and smell the coffee. They are a cancer. You must be a leftist. Who cares, I do.

      • ZoeVaraday

        @MilitaryPatriot  @jjbb
         Thank you, Soldier.  I chose not to waste my time or efforts on him, but you took the words right out of my fingers!

  • CesarMGonzalezBetancourt

    You are liberalism’s worst nightmare ??  The last elections sure don’t reflect it…..The right wing is doomed to repeated failures, because you are against progress.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Wolf, we are leaving the GOP in droves.

    • Obummer

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Progress like droves of wetbacks invading our country for free shit ??? All the while, they just import their filthy ways from south of the border ??  They have turned western states like CA into cesspools.  Yea, that’s progress.

    • Obummer

      @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Progress like droves of mexicans invading our country for free crap ??? All the while, they just import their filthy ways from south of the border ??  They have turned western states like CA into cesspools.  Yea, that’s progress.

  • Tony Ruiz

    Cesar, you’re an embarrassment to the human race; your mind is a mess. And ‘you’ episcopalians are far, far worse than narrow minded. I’m guessing you don’t know that muslims are here to kill you…stupid. How could you have missed that? They are set on the destruction and annihilation of the United States and Israel, the only two remaining civilized countries…until obama’s election left only one…ISRAEL. Get your heads out of your proverbial rectums and just smell the defecation right from where you stand.  Progress? You asshole.

  • ockoolguy

    Islam will destroy America differently, their population will grow here at an alarming rate and they will take over one day from within.  They are NOt or ever to be trusted.  Americans are foolish and when the church leads the way, like this Episopalian church in Pasadena, we are encouraging them.  The Koran clearly states what Muslims/Islam  think of all non Muslim people so we need to wake up and the Episcopalians need to read the Koran.  We have a Muslim president so their taking over from within has begun.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @ockoolguy Spread the pig stuff outside the church while they’re in it.

  • Brother John

    Read Mideast Beast – The Case for the Islamic Antichrist. I picked it up at the library and it was excellent. Written by a Christian who is an ex-Muslim. He takes you through the Messianic prophecies from Genesis to Revelation and shows how the last world kingdom was never a revived Roman Empire but a revived Islamic Caliphate which we are watching the forming of today.

  • Tony Ruiz

    We already have an illegal muslim president and the rest is, as they, say history…

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @Tony Ruiz The Committee of 300, Jesuits, illuminati better be on their toes, but that will not help them.

  • Tony Ruiz

    We already have an illegal muslim president and the rest is, as they say, history…

  • Patrick Dale

    I do not think the Christian God wants anything to do with the far flung group of Muslims with the idea they must kill all none believers, and by the way, none believers in or what? God is not one supreme being that wants us to kill each other, for to say he is, is as bad as God gave us the right and will to have sex with the same sex, that is not true for all you need to do to find out if I am right just read Levitcus 18 paragraph 22/24, God tells Moses when he gives Moses the Ten Commandments, ” do not lay down with man kind like woman kind for it is Abomination” Killing is wrong in my opinion, one day my girlfriend was murdered by a man of the black persuasion and I did not seek the .death penalty for that killer. May God bless us all.G

  • SpenceDowns

    I was raised an Episcopalian, but frankly I never heard the Gospel clearly proclaimed in that Church. They danced around it, but they never clearly talked about “salvation” and what one had to do to be saved. They never really encouraged us to read the Bible. It was ritual, ritual, ritual and little else.  The First Commandment clearly states, “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.” Now there is a move to cozy up to another religion and develop a syncratistic relationship with that religion, the god of which is not the God of Christianity, and “salvation” is based upon the Five Pillars of Islam. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a jealous God and doesn’t share His glory with other gods!  But, who cares? In the spirit of openness and friendship, we can forget what God says and “do that which is right in our own eyes.” I mean, it is more “politically correct” and “fair”. Right?  Oh Boy!

  • SCPatriot

    As an ex-Southern Baptist, now Episcopalian, I am struggling with some of the church’s “choices”.  What I’m being told the church believes in are not always the same as what they practice.  I’ve seen such in all organized religions, but Islam is not a religion by any definition.  It is a culture and encompasses both faith and law, so is un-American from the beginning.  My thirteen ancestors who fought for this country’s independence would turn over in their graves if I were to embrace it in any fashion.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      CAN A GOOD MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN???
      Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
      Theologically – no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia
       Religiously- no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
      Scripturally- no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
      Geographically- no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
      Socially- no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
      Politically- no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.
      Domestically- no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)
      Intellectually – no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
      Philosophically- no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
      Spiritually- no. Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran’s 99 excellent names.
      Therefore, after much study and deliberation….Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. – – – They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish, it’s still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
      Can a Muslim be a good soldier??? Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!! Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

      • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

        @Batsin_Bellfry Thanks Batsin, I saved that list.

  • me

    As far as i’m concern the church sold it’s soul when they became dems.

    • ZoeVaraday

      What?  Excuse me, but not ALL of us are DEMS.  The Church, politically speaking, merely REFLECTS America as a whole.  Within any Church, you will find both Democrats AND Republicans, and TEA PARTY MEMBERS AS WELL!

      • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

        @ZoeVaraday I don’t think you will find any TP’er siding with muslims.

        • ZoeVaraday

          @DonJ
           You wont find many REPUBLICANS siding with them, either.

        • me

          @ZoeVaraday  @DonJ So i guess they did sell their souls then.

  • CarlStevenson

    Muslim “interfaith outreach” programs are, like most “making nice” by Muslims, suspect because Islam teaches them that it’s OK, even a duty, to lie to and deceive infidels in your efforts to advance Islamic conquest of the world. What part of “gullible idiots” don’t these people understand when they welcome the Muslims with open arms? It’s not wise to tie the noose in a rope for someone who’s announced over and over again their intention to hang you …

    • ZoeVaraday

      @CarlStevenson
       Unfortunately true, my Brother.

    • CarlStevenson

      I know a rabbi who got sucked into speaking at a Muslim organized “interfaith outreach” event. He was appalled a couple of years later when I heard he’d done it and I showed him on the web that the organization was a front for Hamas and an I indicted co-conspirator in funding Muslim terrorist organizations that have s nasty habit of blowing up busses in and launching missiles at Israel.

    • CarlStevenson

      CarlStevenson 0 pts
      I know a rabbi who got sucked into speaking at a Muslim organized “interfaith outreach” event. He was appalled a couple of years later when I heard he’d done it and I showed him on the web that the organization was a front for Hamas and an unindicted co-conspirator in funding Muslim terrorist organizations that have s nasty habit of blowing up busses in and launching missiles at Israel.

  • pretzeldude

    Calif is too liberal, mostly comprised of queers and hot rodders.

    • Obummer

      @pretzeldude What’s wrong with Hot Rodders ?

    • Oldzoomie

      @pretzeldude  I always thought it was granola land – composed of fruits, nuts and flakes.

      • Obummer

        Oldzoomie, True unfortunately but there are some of us hard working, conservative muscle car enthusiast still out there.  Some of us who don’t smoke pot all day and live in the hills with our clan of VW vans.

  • ockoolguy

    SCPatriot, i would leave the Epsicopalian church as fast as i can run, being a Southern baptist isn’t a bad thing

  • PassTheWord

    This is no surprise as the Episcopal church is one of the most liberal creations coming from the catholic hearsay.

    • Obummer

      All forms of Christianity come from Catholicism.

      • PassTheWord

        @Obummer  That is not true.  There have always been Christians who resisted Constantine’s efforts to form an universal (catholic) church.  Catholic’s teach a works salvation, The Holy Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith.

        • Obummer

          Did Christ not say unto Peter….”…upon this rock (Peter), I build my church…”  Catholicism is the only form of Christianity that can trace it’s roots directly back to Jesus.  All the rest are just factions of what differences they may have had with the Catholic Church from time to time. Mormons call themselves “Christian”, do you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet as well ??

      • ZoeVaraday

        @Obummer
         Yes and no.  Saint Peter started the Catholic Church, as I am sure you are well aware, but then Martin Luther became disenchanted with some things he saw, within the Church (yes, in every religeon, you will find some measure of hypocrisy, because Churches are run by PEOPLE and people are not perfect), but his answer wasn’t to stand his ground within the faith and work for good….No….Unfortunately, his answer was to protest and basically, DEFECT, thus starting the PROTESTANT movement which, by it’s very beginnings and definition, is DEFECTIVE.  We’re all just evolving, and working out our salvation, the best way we can, one hopes.  Pray for God’s mercy!

        • CarlStevenson

          @ZoeVaraday @Obummer actually, the roman emperor Constantine (a pagan) started the Catholic Church (with himself as its head) in an effort to get “those pesky Christians” under (his) control …

        • ZoeVaraday

          @CarlStevenson  @ZoeVaraday  @Obummer
           Now THAT is heresy.  I am no longer interested in communicating with you.  Pity.  I was very prepared to like you.

        • Obummer

          @CarlStevenson  I would suggest you conduct a little more research.

      • Batsin_Bellfry

        @ObummerThe original Catholic church did not start until about the 3rd century. Before that, they were just Christians.  Catholics are not monolithic in their teachings.  There are more than one Catholic church. (about a dozen or so denominations.) I met a priest from the “Old Catholic denomination” they allow their priests to marry among other differences.

        • Obummer

          @Batsin_Bellfry I am speaking of the one and only Roman Catholic Church, you know the one with the Pope ???  Some may call themselves Catholic Church’s but if they do not follow the theology of the Vatican, they may as well be called ….. you can pick the name.

        • ZoeVaraday

          @Obummer  @Batsin_Bellfry
           BRAVO!  HERE HERE!

        • Batsin_Bellfry

          @Obummer They would strongly disagree with you. They do consder themselves Catholic. During the middle ages. We actually had 3 popes at one time. One in France, One in Rome and One in Turkey. All three ex-communicated the other two.

    • ZoeVaraday

      WHAT?!  Do you have any idea what the Hell you’re talking about?  The Episcopal Church is PROTESTANT.  Catholic “hearsay”?  WHAT?!

  • WINGSOFGOLD13

    We all need to remember our own faith and stop judging others!!! I don’t like a great deal of what is going on in this world and in this country but LET GOD BE THE JUDGE not us!  How can we be good decent  Christians if we all keep mocking other beliefs?  GOD is in charge not any of us!!!  I am a Christian, and I resect other faiths. I do not of course support places the promote ugly and evil.  I hand what I do NOT understand over to GOD and let HIM sort it all out.  It is the only way I know how to be a good person without Judging others. I am not comfortable with the Episcopal church allowing Muslims to use the church and I am still a very staunch believer in the Rites of the Episcopal Church.  So much has changed in some many ways. I will add that rallying for a Muslim “cause” in an Episcopal church is wrong and I am not quite understanding why this is being allowed.  I will just  carefully watch my own church and ask my minister to help me better understand.  If I go to the early service the service is the actually Rites of the church, but the 10 am service is NOT.  I like tradition and what I was taught and that is what I live by.  I am however concerned about this article …

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @WINGSOFGOLD13 Spread the non-violent pigs blood.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @WINGSOFGOLD13 very naive. plus you speak out of both sides of your mouth. you can’t say in one breath that you can “recognize ugly and evil” or that “the Episcopal church is wrong” and not say you don’t judge in the other. You just did! TWICE.  It requires judgment to be able to distinguish between good and evil. The Bible teaches OFTEN to judge evil, but to judge rightly and not as a hypocrite, which is what Jesus was condemning in the oft mis-quoted, taken out of context, passage.
      We are to be wise as foxes. That requires you use your brain that God gave you and study a subject and not take the easy way out and just say “I hand it over to God.” You are called to be a light in this world. Not stick you head in the sand because it’s hard.
      You are to be salt. It not only preserves, but it also irritates a wound. We need to let Episcopals know what they are doing is wrong and dangerous. (see my post on islam in a nutshell)
      Finally, You said you don’t like a lot of what is going on in this country (another judgment), but let God be the judge. Yes, God does judge nations. But if you read the Old Testament, it was by having another nation defeat and destroy them. ie. Babylong vs Judea; Israel vs Canaan; etc. Do you really want America destroyed.  Rather, God has given YOU and all Christians a duty.  Read 2 Chronicles 7:14 and Jeremiah 18:8.

  • Batsin_Bellfry

    Islam in a Nutshell. – Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here’s how it works:
    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
     From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. . Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.
    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare.
    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.
    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. 100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word.  Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

  • Kissitgoodbye

    Tell me Caesar, what Christian group murdered another group because they didn’t follow THEIR religion? Personally, I don’t care who believes what, as long as you aren’t sentenced to death for being a non-believer.
    Explain to me why Christmas trees have become Holiday Trees, but Muslim foot baths have been installed at tax payer expense in Deerborn, MI ? Seems like a dangerous double standard to me.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @Kissitgoodbye Whose to blame? The Committee of 300, The Jesuits, 13 Illuminati Papal Bloodline Families, The Corporation of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, The Federal Reserve Bank, Operation Paperclip & MK-Ultra?

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @DonJ Don’t give me names of groups, Give me specific instances. Something more recent than the crusades. If we have separation of Chirch and State.. That’s fine. If that’s the case, where do the foot baths come into the equation?

        • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ You want names?
          http://newtomorrow.us/main.html

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @DonJ I want specific instances of violence against non-Christian believers perpetrated by Christians, not including the crusades, since Christians have evolved considerably since that time. The problem is that Muslims are still living in that time period.

        • CelticDenise

          @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ Do you really want real names? Don is trying to blame Catholics – but it’s JEWS from start to finish. Karl Marx was a Jew. Communism is right out of the Talmud. Communism is Talmudic doctrine made politically manifest. The Federal Reserve is the Rothschild’s counterfieting outfit. The Frankfurt School was comprised OF Christian HATING, White HATING Jews, who convened in Franfurkt Germany, after the Bolsheviks (Jews) destroyed Russia. American born JEW Jacob Schiff paid for the Jewish invasion of Russia. Communism failed, as an economic model. But the boychicks didn’t want to give up the power they were aquiring, so they developed a social model, eo destroy Western Cvilization. Look up their planks. Every stategy is in place. Hitler – who tried to warn every-one (the REAL Holocaust occurred in Russia, when JEWS murdered about 60 million Russian Christians)  booted the vermin of the Frankfurt School out. They landed here, and their Fellow Travelers on US soil helped set up the destruction of this nation. FYI – Jews have bene working with Muslims for centuries, to destroy Christianity, and the West. Research Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain, and the “Court Jews” who financed and enabled the Muslim invasion of Spain. Jews opened the gates of Spanish cities, to allow the Muslim invaders in. research what the Talmud has to say about Jesus and Mary. Jews HATe Christianity, and have been attacking Logos from the beginning. You;ve bene snookered and conned by media. Research ownership of the media, and banking. Research the blood status of the Jewish “popes/ pretenders John Paul II Jews, and Rabbi Ratzinger. The Rothchild’s control the Vatican’s banking system. YOU can research every word I’ve written. This post may be removed, and I may be banned – but every single word I’ve written can be verified. LEARN for yourself. We’ve been warned for centuries about these DEVILS.

        • CelticDenise

          @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ PS – Jews are behind Open Borders almost exclusively, since the Taft Act. the 1965 Immigration Act was THIER baby. Teddy Kennedy was “the mask”. The whole idea is to destroy the White Christian West. ACLJews always defend Muslims.

        • Batsin_Bellfry

          @CelticDenise  @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJKarl Marx was a seminary student before he rejected God and became and atheist. He was never a Jew. Get your history right. Jews do not hate Christianity. and they are not the blame of all evil in this country. Your allegations are overly broad.

        • CelticDenise

          @Batsin_Bellfry  @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ Liar. Karl Marx was a blood Jew His stint as a Converso means nothing. Tell me about the Night of the Klipocks, and spitting on Christians. Tell every-one what the Talmud says about Mary And Jesus. .

        • CelticDenise

          @Batsin_Bellfry  @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ EVERY word I’ve written can be verified. EVERY single word.

        • ZoeVaraday

          @Batsin_Bellfry  @CelticDenise  @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ
           Thank you, Brother.

        • Batsin_Bellfry

          @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ
           A better argument is: When muslims kill and behead, they are following the doctrines of their religion. They are in complete compliance. When Christians kill without just cause (ie self defense, defense of a third person), they are in disobedience to the teachings of Jesus and His word. Koran says for example that a tree will tell a muslim, come here a Jew is hiding behind me and kill him. The Bible says to not murder and to love your enemy. the koran says it is ok to lie to your enemy and to infidels. To pretend to be peaceful. They also re-define ‘peace’ as: all the world will be muslim and all infidels will be killed.

        • CarlStevenson

          @Batsin_Bellfry. Sounds like they are closet Muslims, the way they hate and spread lies about Jews …

        • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @DonJ You wont fine any violence from Christians against non-christians. We don’t believe in that.

    • CesarMGonzalezBetancourt

      @Kissitgoodbye   Read your bible as I have…..It is full of murders ordered by Jehova himself……Religion is the origin of many wars…..Have you heard about the Crusades ?

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Read your Quran !

      • Obummer

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt  @Kissitgoodbye These wars were waged by men, not Christ.  Have you ever read the Bible ?  Men start wars in the names of all kinds of things, this does not change the word of God and the teachings of Christ.  I know all of you non-believers love to default to the “Crusades” in order to prove your hypothesis that Catholicism is evil but your only proving your ignorance of the issue.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Obummer @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt — Who says I’m a non-believer ? I’m asking when the last time a Christian beheaded someone for not believing ? Now… When was the last beheading in the name if Islam?

        • CelticDenise

          @Kissitgoodbye  @Obummer  @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt The Crusades were all about Christians reclaiming Christian turf, form Islam. Remember that. Betancourt is a Jew name. Look for the names, as well as the hook nose. Learn the names. See the Jew. Smell the sulphur.

        • carrieanne

          Celtic Denise 
          What an appalling thing to say!  If you can’t say anything concerning  the current topic, please keep your “Jew” comments to yourself.  Act like a Christian or whatever religious beliefs you ascribe to.  God created Adam and Eve and allowed them to make their own decisions.  That freedom was a gift.  It’s up to each of us to follow the rules.  Unfortunately, the human race doesn’t do any better at  that than the First Man and Woman.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @Obummer @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt / you are right, OB!

        • Obummer

          @Kissitgoodbye Sorry, I didn’t mean to include you in that last post, the respond button auto filled in your name.

        • FloridaJoel

          Cetic Denise 
          For all you antisemites out there I have a simple warning. Yes, there are many wicked Jews and have been for centuries, but God has a Covenant with Abraham. That Covenant has never been abrogated.  The Mosaic Covenant came after and out of the Abrahamic, and remains in force. The Mosaic Covenant warned Israel of the Blessings of obedience and curses of disobedience. Has God proven through these two covenants that He is the LORD of history.? He certainly has. He has chastised His Jewish people (the Holocaust was no accident) but neither was His destruction of nazi Germany and tens of millions of antisemitic Eastern Europeans and Russians.
           
          So here is the warning: None of us have enough wisdom to think we can judge the Jewish people, or anyone else for that matter. God is in control, His Covenants with Abraham and Moses are in place, so desist from judging the Jews. Be a blessing to them and receive the blessings of the LORD. Curse them and receive His curse. For me, I’m not a defender of Judaism (if you can define it), but I’m a defender of the Jewish people, especially the Jews of Israel. They are under His care and correction and I’m going to receive His blessing as I share with them the Love of the Lord Jesus Christ…and they are listening! 
           
          You better read the Prophets and hear the Words of Christ because they clearly state that the Gentiles will be judged by Christ according to their treatment of the Israel and that when the coming Tribulation is over, the surviving Remnant of Israel will be at the head of the nations and under the care of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Don’t miss this because Hell awaits all those that curse Israel, no matter what their religion.

        • CelticDenise

          I am acting like a Christian – a REAL one – whne I point out the true nature of the Children of Abraham. Read John, sometime, dear – John 8:38-44. The Christ’s assessment of their identity and Nature is good enough for me.

        • CelticDenise

          Israel id the true name of the Christian Host, FL Jew. The Covanent was revoked, due to constant betrayal, perfidity, and rebellion. TheChrist is theNew Covanent. Amd stop repeating the Scofield heresy. Israel is the Body of Christ.

      • Batsin_Bellfry

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt  @Kissitgoodbye
         that is how God judges countries. In this life time. God judges men in the next life time. Ultimately God will judge the entire world.  read Habakkuk.  God also talks about juging the canannites, Amalekites (1Sa 15:2), Babylon, Tyre, Sidon, Israel, Judea, etc.
        America is under judgement right now. Will we repent or will the cup of iniquity be filled?

    • ZoeVaraday

      @Kissitgoodbye
       Here here!

  • Boris Yasdnilkov

    As a cradle Episcopalian, former altar boy, lay reader and church warden who has, at various times in life, found himself at odds with chuch doctrine (Bishop Pike’s policies in the 1960’s,, ordination of gay bishops, etc.) as well as organized religion in general, this support of Islam absolutely astounds me.  At 74-years of age I now find myself declaring to be a former Episcopalian.  Absent some earth-shaking spiritual awakening soon, three-quarters of a century from now the Episcopal Church will be gone and this beloved nation nation as we know it will not exist.

    • CarlStevenson

      @Boris Yasdnilkov if we allow current trends to continue, it won’t be nearly that long ….

      • Boris Yasdnilkov

        @CarlStevenson  @Boris
         I fully agree… we need divine intervention.

    • ZoeVaraday

      @Boris Yasdnilkov
       I am afraid you are so right.  So WISE, and so RIGHT.  So….Have you ever considered Catholicism?  If that’s not your bag, how about the LUTHERAN Church?  ANGLICAN perhaps?  Whatever you decide, just STAY AS CLOSE TO JESUS AS POSSIBLE!  Keep praying, big Bro!

    • FloridaJoel

      @Boris Yasdnilkov My friend, yes, give up on your religion, but embrace the True and Living God, even the Lord Jesus Christ. He says in Matthew 11:28 says “Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me: for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” How much more loving and gracious an invitation could you receive than that. Religion, regardless of the name, can never offer that and cannot save. Jesus said in John 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father, but by me.” Turn your back on your religious dogmas (repent) and in child-like faith, put your trust for eternal life in Christ. John 3:16 says; “For God so loved the World, that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Trust in Him today

      • Batsin_Bellfry

        @FloridaJoel  @Boris Yasdnilkov
         Boris what you quote from the Bible is true. However, Hebrews also warns not to forsake the gathering together. we are not to be lone ranger Christians. We are part of the Body of Christ. how can a hand or an eye say that the body does not need me. how can the body say it does not need an ear or a foot.  That means that all of us must belong to a local congregation, for corporate worship, sacraments, offer our spiritual and physical gifts to others and receive gifts from others. it is a relationship. Based on the fact you quote the Bible, that is a condition to finding a well balanced church, is a Bible believing and teaching church.  Which the Episcopals no longer are.

    • Dogrules14

      @Boris Yasdnilkov
       It’s already gone Boris.  It exists as a Christian church in name only.

  • RBowkus

    @AndrewLuck23 maybe we’ll be lucky if that 1 of them may be a jihadist

  • http://www.InformingChristians.com/ DebraJMSmith

    It must be a fake church.

    • CelticDenise

      @DebraJMSmith Yes. It is.

  • Guest21042

    2 JOHN 9-11
    9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and mdoes not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
     
    Enough said

    • WVStarktruth

      The problem with too many Christians in America are several:
       
      1) They don’t believe these kinds of evil can survive in America (that can’t happen here)
       
      2) They pick and choose which part of the Bible they like and ignore the rest.
       
      3) Examples are picking – Turn the other cheek vs. Put on the whole armor of God.
       
      4) They take very literally that they should not be concerned with things of the world…like voting, supporting political candidates who are Christians, etc. resulting in too many elections (like the last one) being lost to secular humanists who think that there is nothing to fear from Islam.  It is the Devil’s Church.
       
      You picked a great quote to illustrate my point.  Thanks.

  • ZoeVaraday

    America doesn’t “NEED” Islam.  No, thank you!  At first, before actually READING this article, my first thought was, ‘WOW!  Thank the God of Abraham, that I am CATHOLIC, because this sort of BS wouldn’t be allowed in a CATHOLIC Church ~ we have no time for it!’  AND THEN I READ THE ARTICLE.  O.K….It’s GOOD that the Islamics  (some) want to PRAY with us and live “peacefully” with us….But for how long?  It’s all well and good, but TAKE A GOOD LOOK at what they’re oh, so “peacefully” doing to ENGLAND, and what they’ve done to FRANCE.
     
    Hey!  I WANT PEACE!  PEACE IS GOOD!  But at what price?  SURE!  They wanna pray with me?  LETS DO IT!  Lets pray for UNCONDITIONAL PEACE, THE END TO ALL BLOODSHED, AND TRUE HARMONY AND TOLERANCE!  We can tolerate them, if they can put down their weapons and tolerate us!  We can honor their freedom of religeon, as long as they can truly honor ours! 
     
    There will always be one thing that will always bother ME, however……Their basic need to dominate others and their love of brutality, and the way they take perverse DELIGHT in beating women ~ often publicly, and to death.  They take special delight in beating RAPE VICTIMS to death, possibly because the pain and humiliation of rape just doesn’t quite satisfy their blood thirst, or their deep seated hate for women.

    • Obummer

      @ZoeVaraday Being Catholic as well, I try my best at being tolerant of others and their beliefs, however the Muslim faith and it’s teachings needs to be eradicated once and forever.  They do not posses the ability to get along, period.

      • ZoeVaraday

        @Obummer
         Thank you, my Brother!

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @ZoeVaraday The problem is their definition of “peace” it means the whole world is muslim and there are no longer any infidels or unbelivers. There is no room for co-existance.

      • ZoeVaraday

        @Batsin_Bellfry
         YUP!  That’s pretty much where I was goin with that.  You finished what I was tryin to say.  Well done!

    • JC1929

      @ZoeVaraday Do a search on :is the catholic church Christian? Google it and then do some dependable Christian sites. They are diametrically opposed.

  • silverant

    It happened to my church. We let a few of them hold Friday meetings, and before long, nearly all 1700 members converted to Islam. I was the only one who resisted, so I became a Mormon.  Sorry, I mean a Mermaid. No…. a Merman – that’s it.

    • Guest

      @silverant
       I see you’re very typical. Gender confused. Your teachers would be pleased.

    • ZoeVaraday

      @silverant
       Don’t lose sight of Jesus!  Hang on tight to him!

  • Guest

    Gee, does that mean as they are desecrating the sanctuary by being in it that I can be outside burning a bunch of worthless Qu’rans? Desecration does as desecration is. (And yes, I know the usual application of that quote reverses two of those words.)
    Not to worry, though, since the Episcopal Church lost any connection it had to real Christianity and it’s fundamental beliefs when it opened it’s doors to practicing homosexuals- a direct contradiction to homosexuality being an “abomination in the sight of God”.
    They can all go to hell together- the unbelieving Episcopalians and the non-believing Muslims. God will not be mocked.

  • JohnGalt24

    The only difference between a Muslim and a radical Muslim is the distance they are from the bomb.

    • ZoeVaraday

      @JohnGalt24
       WELL SAID!

  • HowardPettyjohn

    The article says “they decided to” not “they are going to”.
    It is too hard to believe that they are going to have their convention there.

  • sefner

    Isn’t this the church that allows same sex marriage?  Need i say more?

  • JoeChernicoff

    A bad move…MPAC has done this in other cities, under the guise of an interfaith effort , and is only a way to more effectively taske advantage of religious gropps’ political correctness and grow Islamic strength in those communities

  • usmc1063

    Sometimes Christian efhics and open-mindedness led them into a sense of world community and cooperation. This is a point of logic that oftens softens the reality of life in general. Religious minds think in acting Christ like that they will be less vulnerable to the negative actions of others. Sometime this is true. Yet the reality of the Muslim community will often expose the soft underbelly of Christianity leaving it open for atttack. Being a Christian I can understand turning of the cheek and even opening one’s heart so that others may see the goodness inside. Yet I draw a line in the sand when others will or won’t share a like mindedness. It is a real fact that Muslims offer no such thinking in their religious belief. Their ideals lead to a single thought and do not except that others could believe differently. There is no freedom of expression in the world of Islamic faith. As for the Churches that believe that their kindness will foster change they may be sadly mistaken. Yet this is their choice.  Myself I do not share this belief after after being fortunate enought to hear and speak to a former Muslim Terroist Kamal Saleem. I had read his book The Blood of Lambs. I suggest anyone wanting to know the truth to also read and his book.

  • Richard R Tryon

    I do hope that our glorious Presiding Bishop has arranged to be on hand to greet the Men in charge of this Convention of Islam so that she can offer to provide them with new leadership to bring the polygamy of Islam into TEC as the one time Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. has renamed itself. Perhaps she can also find the opportunity to commence a dialog on how to follow the more peaceful tenants of Islam and accept simple stoning, beheading, etc. as more humane means of reflecting God’s wrath when Men or women engage in unnatural sex acts not found in Islam because of the result of mandatory five times a day prayer at the nearest mosque.
     
    Perhaps she can volunteer to turn over empty church buildings formerly occupied by parishioners that had the temerity to think that just because they provided the resources to build them, she really owns them! It should not be too hard to get them to use some of the oil money we send to the major Islamic oil producing states to pay her so she can add more similar available properties for the spread of the Islamic code of peace- that tolerates no dissent!

  • Tired of Liberals

    It’s nice that some Muslims are trying to “bridge” with other faiths. If the church management didn’t let this take place, they may have found another place to meet. “Good” faith does give good results.

  • JoeChernicoff

    A bad move…this has been done by MPAC in other cities, and is only a way to use civic and religious groups’ political correctness beliefs to further the influence of Islam and Islamic culture into those communities.

  • TimR

    I think this just proves that symbols of Christianity are not offensive in Muslim eyes, or even in the public square.  While I don’t agree with the statements or the positions of this group, that they would choose to have their conference amidst all the imagery and reverence to Christ in such a church is a good thing.  If a muslim group,especially one with these tendencies, can be un-offended in such a place, how can FFR or others possibly cry foul or harm at the local park nativity display or other such nonsense.

  • morehouse64

    @Imadancer821 Will it be a be heading conference of the infidels

  • anonymous plus 1

    TEC never ceases to amaze with their apostasy. Maybe if the congregation pulls out, Schori can sell it to the Muslims, leaving the original congregation without a place of worship-like they did in NY…

    • ZoeVaraday

      @anonymous plus 1WOW!  “APOSTASY”!  SO TRUE….And I suspect I am communicating with another well informed Catholic?  Peace be with you, my Brother!

  • anonymous plus 1

    Sefner, Not only have they officially come out with liturgy to bless gay couples, they voted this past summer to ordain gay and transgender people.

    • Dogrules14

      @anonymous plus 1
       Increasingly, mainstream denominational churches are relinquishing their Christian heritage.  And we know that many of the sheep remaining in these apostate churches can no more be called Christians than they can be called cars when standing in a garage.

    • JamesKroeger

      @anonymous plus 1 Yes they have. Can you picture a bunch of gay Muslim burning in the Lake of Fire? Lelelelelelelelele I’m on fire!!!! :) LOL

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    Please listen, these people do not want to interfaith with anyone but themselves, and if this church allow them to hold anything not just a conference, but anything; then their do not have the “LOVE OF CHRIST JESUS” in their heart, because the Holy Bible declares that a “DOUBT MINDED MAN IS UNSTABLE IN ALL HIS WAYS” James 1:8, Amen!
     
    Please get it in your head Christians that these people HATE YOU NO MATTER HOW MANY LIES THEY MIGHT SAY”; the problem is that some of the CHRISTIAN FAITH” want to believe anything and all things, Amen!
     
    However, believing these people will cause you your life and your church its respect as a “TRUE BELIEVER IN YESHUA THE CHRIST, Amen!
     
     Wake up, these people do not, I repeat DO NOT want anything we have but our lives, Amen!
     Mr. Evans

    • ZoeVaraday

      @ELOHIMISGOD
       AMEN!

    • NavyJR

      @ELOHIMISGOD They don’t even “interfaith” with themselves; or do you not notice the conflicts between various sects of Muslims, that go on with great frequency and regularity and a fair amount of bloodshed?

      • ZoeVaraday

        @NavyJR  @ELOHIMISGOD
         TRUE!  Very true!

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @ELOHIMISGOD Correct. Since islam was started by satan himself, disguised as an angel of light, they are giving ground to satan. once he gets in, he does not leave voluntarily. It will be like Anticochus Epiphanes when he slew a pig in the temple. It is going to be a disaster for them.

  • NavyJR

    Amorality is at the root of ALL that’s wrong in this nation; and the religious institutions are at the heart of why this nation now wallows in amorality!  They have FAILED to stand against that which is wrong and FOR that which is healthy and right!  It’s that simple; so why is it any surprise they’re permitting this?  The failure goes back to long before the Muslims were of any significant numbers among our population to even be noticed for the most part.  It goes back to the post war years, at least, and probably before that even, but that’s as far back as my memory goes.

  • LiveFreeOrDie

    What will happen when the gays meet the Muslims at this so called “church.” The Anglican Communion is split forever and those staying in this travest7y of a “church” are going to be in for quite a rude awakening – in this life and forever.

  • DustyFae

    THESE MUSLIMS LIE LIKE A RUG AND NO WAY THEY ARE BEING FRIENDLY UNLESS THERE IS A CAUSE, CHECK AROUND AND SEE HOW MANY BOMBS THEY PLANTED.

  • LarryIvey

    WELL I’VE READ YOUR COMMENTS AND IT COMES DOWN TO KNOWING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOU SAVIOR.GOD IS NOT DEAD HE’S GOT ALL UNDER CONTROL. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO AMERICA IS CHRIST HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CHRISTMAS. PUT IT THIS WAY AMERICA HAS TAKEN GOD OUT OF AMERICA.LOOKS LIKE SATAN’S PLAN IS WORKING.SO MUCH HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE ANTI CHRIST TO TAKE OVER.THIS IS NOT A FAIRY TALE,IT’S STARTING TO TAKE PLACE.

    • JamesKroeger

      @LarryIvey Larry, the scripture must be fulfilled. This must all take place before the Rapture, so keep looking into the clouds brother because it draws near! I’m just so glad I’ve been baptized in the blood of Christ (born again) and can be part of this very special event…I look forward to meeting Jesus!!!

  • 529_Barb

    I guess this church won’t be happy until it’s female followers start disappearing thru Sharia Law……and how in the heck are they to use their prayer rugs every hour with all those chairs in the way……..

  • SSpade

    OK, but if you think they want to our friends, you are sorely mistaken.  They will invade and conquor ever religion possible.   Look at how they took over our government from the inside.   We, the taxpayers, have to finace their health care, and provide foot washing faciities in public places among other things.

    • 529_Barb

      @SSpade
       It’s obvious the morons in this country voted for a muslim so  it’s only a matter of time before we’re all in jeopardy when the dirty bombs go off……

  • howardrwa

    Our stupid government , has made it easier for Muslims to move from the Middle east to the United States than it is for a US citizen to travel between the USA and Canada.  I say WTF is going on and who is responsible these terrorists and potential terriorists able  infiltrate our nation with ease.

  • 529_Barb

    I wonder if Ovomit will be a keynote speaker for his flock.

  • bgh222

    People need to study the muslem faith.  Don’t start with the Quran is is difficult to understand and is dualistic. First read the Sira.   Then the Hadith, and Sheria Law for Non-Muslems Then  take a crack at the Quran.  Keep in mind that in the last 1500 years more or less Muslims have killed 270 million people who failed to submit to Islam. Always keep this in mind.  When deception advances Islam, the deception is not a sin.

    • Rick

      Deception when advancing Islam may be ok with them, but most real religions don’t buy that tripe.
       
      That’s one reason Islam is so hated. Anything goes with them as long as it advances Islam regardless if it’s murder, rape, sodomy, etc.

  • Johnny P

    If a church is Methodist, Prespitarian, Catholic, or Muslim. I[T] is a house of God. With respect, if one religion does not believe that God is the father, and Jesus is not the son of God. Then, they need not attend any services in the said church. 
    Mixing religions is a very bad idea. Can any one of you out there imagine mixing Jewish with Muslim, or Catholic with Jewish? I think not.

    • GeorgeSmith1

      @Johnny P The Christian church originated with a split from Judaism that arose from the life of Jesus Christ, and the two faiths share a lot of things in common.  It is right for those two faiths to acknowledge their common beliefs.  Islam came partially from these two faiths and a lot of things that reject those beliefs and really don’t belong with them.  Islam does not belong with the other two religions and has tried through history to destroy them and murder their followers.  BTW, please learn how to spell Presbyterian.

  • mollypitcher

    husband and I left this heathen church over 10 years ago over the acceptance of homosexuals in the priesthood… BTW look at WHERE this church is located….? Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil… read your Revelation to see what is going to happen….

  • crash357

    That very thing is what caused the Fall of Solomans Kingdom, if you read. Because of all the other gods of all his wives

  • GaryHuggins

    Christianity and Islam are as opposite as (+) and(-). “Christianity” that has fellowship with Islam is going against God’s Word. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. I learned a long time ago to follow as much as possible the Word.
    I’ve not been proficient at many times, but forgiveness is the always. Islam wants to destroy Israel and all other non Islamics (infidels). Patriots are getting fewer and farther away daily. I know from personal interaction with Muslim people that most will kill other sects of their own and anyone who do not believe as they. If Mohammed went to Heaven to receive the Quran, he’d still be there. He lived and died. Jesus lived a perfect life, was crucified, died, was buried, arose and soon after ascended to Heaven. I’m quite sure that Mohammed sinned as much as most.

    • Rick

      @GaryHuggins Mohammed sinned a lot more than most.
      There is some whacky cross-breed religion called Chrislam. Talk about whacky.
      Islam is a gutter belief of murder, hate, etc., which is the complete opposite of Christianity.
       
      If the Muslims didn’t have Israel to attack, they would do what they have done for millennium; They would be killing each other.

  • Papa Mike

    If any Muslim function wanted to use a “Christian” church, and that church opened their doors for them to hold this conference, I believe it would be a desicration to not only that church but to all “Christian” churches. I know the Episcopal church has had leanings to a more liberal side of the scale, but this is going to far.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @Papa Mike
       “leanings”? they are completely apostate.

    • Rick

      @Papa Mike Amen & Ditto! I’m not a member but I’ve been watching the Episcopal Church for some time. They have become so liberal and open-minded their brains have obviously fallen out!

  • GaryHuggins

    Political correctness and Christianity are not partners. I personally don’t trust Progressive, secular , liberal individuals as Christians. Their fruits testify otherwise. Freedom has never been free except under God.

    • ZoeVaraday

      @GaryHuggins
       OMG?!  GARY??  You wouldn’t happen to reside in SOUTHERN OREGON, by any chance, would ya?  If so, I know your TWIN!  In fact I know BOTH of your sisters….And your MOTHER, and a couple of your BROTHERS….And I know Lilly, Aaron & Sierra…..I share your views COMPLETELY, by the way.

  • Gale White

    this is the start of chrislim.  rules for using the church?  like bingo is ok right?  lol

    • Rick

      @Gale White Do you mean Chrislam?
       
      Yes like bingo. Bingo is a game enjoyed by many of their members. I suppose you would be opposed if it was the Boy Scouts of America? Are you attempting to equate the two? (Christianity and Islam.  Islam has nothing to do with the Christianity. The two are polar opposites and incompatible. Thank God.

  • cmartel735

    I was a member of the Episcopal Church for 55 years. I was Chrismated as an Orthodox Christian 10 years ago.
    IMO, the Episcopal Church leadership is not Christian. It is liberal.
    That particular Episcopal Church has an extremely liberal clergy among its members- by that I mean LGBT righTs are her doctrine. The Mideast had large Christian communities–gone.
    Yet we still encourage the religion of “peace” here.
    This whole deal is not a surprise to me. The leaders of that church are the most leftist as they come. They believe in UN goals.
    Things will get worse before they get better

  • Swampfox1965

    These two guys are obviously pursuing the Muslim dream of a global Caliphate. Their holy book enjoins them to lie to infidels in that pursuit. Connect those two dots, folks. And if you want to know what life in that Caliphate is going to be like, read any story, including the story behind the story, of any of the many “honor killings” that have taken place in this country.

    • Rick

      @Swampfox1965 Sounds like an effort towards assimilation. I hope the Episcopal Church pays the price for their actions.

      • JamesKroeger

        @Swampfox1965 They will…God is in control and nothing gets by God. They’ll get their just reward…I assure you!

      • Evermyrtle

        @Swampfox1965 I understand they are not very dedicated to the LORD in the first place but if they will be rewarded by the Muslims, for caving in, they are much mistaken if the expect anything but,  they will be the first to go, because even Muslims do not believe in caving in. They should be told what Muslims to those of their own who cave in to another religion,  such as to Christians. I got a report last week,  where they had killed the father and cut of the left are of his little girl, there was picture for proof.

  • JimSchafer

    i personally see this just another sign of the closeness of Christ’s rapture of his church. according to  2 Peter 2& 3 provide this  data. when He sall come, the church wll be removed BEFORE the presentation of the Anti-christ and the development of the Beast. I, as a bible-believing, professing Child of God, do not worry about such things, because I know that like, Joseph, and Daniel, and a lot of the other biblical individuals, when they were in a period of perse-cution, they were protected by Jehovah himself, and we have been given the promises of Christ of His Bride(the church) will not  be harmed. therefore, i only have to look around me and see the calamities of the world and get excited about the closeness of the Lord’s second coming, and His rescue of HIs bride, of which I am secure, because of my place in Christ. My Question for easch of those that read this is: do you have the same security? if not, just let me know and i will be glad to introduce you to the One who that can remove your doubts and give you the same peace that I have.

    • JamesKroeger

      @JimSchafer AMEN Jim…preach it like it is brother!!! I’m also looking forward to the Rapture and proud to be member of a church that will be a part of the Bride’s Festive Marriage. The last 2 chapters of Revelation still make the hair on my neck stand on end…it will be a sight that I will welcome with open arms!!! I’m so looking forward to hearing Jesus state “Well done my true and faithful servant” !!! To reside forever in Paradise and the New Jerusalem…to eat of the trees of Life and drink the living waters which will flow from God’s throne…walk streets of solid gold!!! Oh what a sight that will be…and it’s our promise for keeping God’s word!!! AMEN & AMEN

  • PLT SGT CHE

    True followers of Jesus Christ know right from wrong,
    church from mosque and light from darkness.  IMHO,
    “Interfaith” is a code word;  that satan would approve.

    • Rick

      @PLT SGT CHE You got that right!

  • Free Christian Spirit

    It seems most of the All American Protestant Leadership are either Liberal thinkers or are activily trying to change the way Christians believe.  I have a brother that left two different church organizations becasue he was being told by his bosses to preach in a certain “tone”.  It is up to the lay people and congregations to start to reChristianize our churches.  Many coming out of seminaries today are more brainwashed than Harvad Grads.

    • CesarMGonzalezBetancourt

      But  the worst of the worst when it comes to having been brainwashed are the Christians.  We are just now scratching the surface of scientific knowledge and yet astronomers are daily discovering a multitude of new planets outside of our solar system, and yet Christians are still believing an Iron Age religion which is loaded with contradictions and violent biblical passages.  The Bible is chuck-full of murders of innocent children and violence, and no one seems to say a word about it…..Science is, and will prove that religions are a myth by man to satisfy an emotional emptiness…..It has been so for thousands of years…….We created  “god. ”     Now go ahead and call me Satanic all you want.    That’s what you’re best  at  :   Being judgemental hypocrites.

      • Batsin_Bellfry

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt
         It is science that is catching up with the Bible. The Bible states that Abraham’s descendants would be as numerous as the sand on the sea shore and numerous AS THE STARS IN THE SKY. This is when science that that there was 1063 stars. The Bible states that the CIRCLE of the Earth is SUSPENDED. When science still thought is was flat, and rode on the back of a turtle. Science has never disproved any statement in the Bible.
        I already responded to your allegation of violence, but your closed mind ignored that.
        The Bible “reports” many thing that does not mean that it condones them. The Bible is honest in that it portrays the charactors honestly, warts and all. It does not white wash anyone. That is another reason it is trust worthy.
        prove to yourselft that you have an open mind and actually read something besides huff post. http://www.biblebc.com/ask_a_question/absolute_proof_of_the_bible.htm

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt / And you should know all there is about being a judgmental hypocrite!

      • JamesKroeger

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Not satanic Cesar, but an obvious atheist. The big bang theory is wrong. I’m not a Christian to fill some emotional emptiness/void…I’m a Christian because i know the truth…and the truth will set you free. All one needs is to feel His spiritual presence…”just once”…to become a firm believer of Christ. Obviously you have never experienced this feeling…never had a divine intervention because there is not a drug on this earth which can compare with this feeling. We didn’t create God…he created us and everything else on this planet and in this universe. The Bible is not myth. It is true history of the past, present and future events. I just hope and pray that when the Rapture takes place and you’re left behind for 7 years of Tribulation…that you will come to your senses and convert to Christ, so as to escape an eternity of fire and brimstone (damnation)…Lake of Fire! During these 7 years…I pray that you will not take the mark of the beast, but will instead accept the mark of Jesus Christ…Lord of Lords and King of Kings! AMEN

        • Evermyrtle

          @JamesKroeger  @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt Yes, and it has come to the time, that HE IS ALL THAT WE HAVE STANDING BETWEEN US AND BONDAGE.

      • Evermyrtle

        You may believe as you see fit but when you get before HIM there will be no excusing your self so you better take control of your opportunity while you still have it. Once we get face to face with HIM it is too late.
         
        Matt 25:31-34
        31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory, and all the Holy Angels with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS Glory.
        32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations:and HE shall separate them one from another, as a shepherds divideth his sheep from the goats:
        33. And He shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
        34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, ye blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
         
        I do not think I am allowed to print what will happen to those on the left but you can find out by reading eh rest of the chapter

      • Robbie Eagle

        @CesarMGonzalezBetancourt That’s what I like about Shepherds Chapel. Murry teaches that the earth is billions of years old and backs it up with Bible passages.  Take Global warming for instance,Genesis 8: 21 & 22.There will be no global warming. A promise from God.
        As for wars,you have to remember that satin was working against God. The Bible tells us that there will always be wars and rumors of wars. It is when you hear peace,peace that we have to prepare for.
        You really should listen to Murray,he puts all of that together. There is nothing new under the sun. Under the sun,being earth.
        I don’t see you as satanic. I have a friend who had a bad childhood and blamed God for it all of her life. I told her that God doesn’t let bad things happen. He gave us free will to follow His commandments or not follow them. There are bad people in the world because Adam and Eve chose to listen to satin instead of obeying God. She started studying with Murray and has peace of mind from understanding now.
        What do you have to loose by listening to Murray? I would have to say,”nothing.”

  • Robbie Eagle

    I stopped going to church a long time ago. Christian Church’s are failing as teachers of God’s word. Many have allowed the Government to infiltrate them. I study with Arnold Murry of Shepherds Chapel, on tv Mon. th Fri. He takes 1 chapter of the Bible & teaches all of the way through the chapter. He has a question & answer portion  of the show where he answers written in questions with scripture reference to the answer. He never ask for money or has a marathon to raise money.  He makes a lot of people mad when he says,”the only unforgivable sin is denying God in the end time.”  He encourages people to record his show if it comes on to early for you. Some  networks run the show 12 hrs. a day.
    Christian church’s are being  deceived by the muslim’s. That’s part of what muslim’s are suppose to do if they can,infiltrate and deceive.If you can’t do that to convert people,then you make them your slaves or murder them. G.Gordon Liddy used to read scriptures from the karan in an effort to educate his listeners.

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @Robbie Eagle Sorry to disagree with you brother. Not all denominations are failing.  Even the apostate ones, like episcopal are not run by the government. However, Hebrews also warns not to forsake the gathering together. we are not to be lone ranger Christians. We are part of the Body of Christ. how can a hand or an eye say that the body does not need me. how can the body say it does not need an ear or a foot.  That means that all of us must belong to a local congregation, for corporate worship, sacraments, offer our spiritual and physical gifts to others and receive gifts from others. it is a relationship. the Bible is a condition to finding a well balanced church, is a Bible believing and teaching church.  Which the Episcopals no longer are.

      • ZoeVaraday

        @Batsin_Bellfry  @Robbie Eagle
         Well said, Brother!

      • Robbie Eagle

        @Batsin_Bellfry We don’t have to sit in a church to worship or to interact with other Christians. I have plenty of friends who are Christians. It is our job to take God’s word to others. That can be done by saying” God bless”,with a loving smile to anyone you speak to in your daily life.

  • tomnchrist

    God has used the Assryians many times to punish his people for their unfaithfulness to him.
    I believe he is doing the same to the US, and rightfully so, as we have allowed him to be removed from all public and government domains.
    I tell people that the Godly umbrella of protection has already been removed on a National and State level, and is being removed at the local city level as Cities remove Nativity scenes under threat of lawsuit from the ACLU. and weridly many main line denominations have forfeited their umbrella for the sake of Homosexuality or other political correctness.  It is very important to get under the umbrella of a Godly Church, and maintain or repair your Family umbrella of Godly living.
    I don’t see this getting any better, for two reasons, 1st is the reluctance of Christians to recognize and repent of their quilt by association and complacency in this culture. and 2. That we are the last generation before the Lord returns (Based on the restoration of the country of Israel in 1948), and the time is right for the appearance of the Anti-chirst.

    • Evermyrtle

      @tomnchrist You are right! one punishment is Obama another four year, if time last that long. It it does we will be in bondage by 2016 and will not have an election. The tribulation only last seven years and I am convinced that we are well into the tribulation.Christians, get ready and stay ready, we know not the hour.

    • FloridaJoel

      @tomnchrist I’m right with your thinking on both points

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    So called Christians, ESPECIALLY CLERGY, will not even NAME EVIL.
    From 1899»»»»
    http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/2010/02/winston-churchill-on-islam.html
    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.

  • Geneww1938

    First understand that God authored the Bible [ http://jc.does-it.net .
     
     Then undertand that every soul entering heaven for eternity must have all sins eliminated, The only way is to understand that only Jesus Christ will forgive those sins the instant a person believes they are not able to have their sins cleanse in any other way and then prays for that forgiveness.  Sadly Episcopal churches do not teach this and Muslim do not believe in the God who wrote the Bible. 
     
    Everything that God loves, the Koran hates. Their religion is 180 degrees out of phase with the tenets of the God who created this universe !!!

  • ff_emt

    In 1997, Hassan said:   “America needs Islam. If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.”
     
    I agree with the second sentence of  this statement; however, it is not islam that will save this country, but  acceptance of, a steadfast adherence to,  and following of Christianity.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ff_emt Well, you know he is a Christian so why does he think we should have Islam?? Something stinks in Obamaland

  • Issachar77

    @lucillerussell9 I read they lost 50% of membership going pro-homosexuality.Sorta end of the road.Also Presbyterians pushing “we are Israel”

  • SurferDude

    Aloha Friends!!  WELL looking at the Gigantic Circus in Congress,the White House and a lot of our Judicial system, the quote is indeed HALF-Right!!! But,then again Even a BROKEN CLOCK is Right TWICE a DAY!! aloha

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @SurferDude you are in the wrong news story. go smoke another joint.

  • PLT SGT CHE

    IF my people, which are called by my name, will humble themselves, and pray,
    and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven,
    and forgive their sin and heal their land.  Since WWIII began, few have known of it’s outbreak.
    We see the war taking a new turn in the Middle East, Africa, Pakistan and et al i’slamic real estate.
    Expect violence here in America, sabatage, terror, confusion, betrayal and further demoralization of
    WE THE PEOPLE as our will is squandered on political correctness, multi-culturalism, “Equal rights,”
    lawlessness in government and the surrender of America to globalist i’slam.  We hear about persecuted
    and murdered Christians in i’slamic nations—hit the snooze button– and dream on–seemingly too apathetic
    to struggle against the persecutor’s and murderer’s in our midst and the 2,000+ mosques planted on our soil.
    “Interfaith” my arse, America is a Christian nation; Christians reject “Interfaith” and satan.  Anyone who doesn’t
    like America remaining Christian is “Free” to leave;  True Christian’s don’t convert; they STAND!

    • Batsin_Bellfry

      @PLT SGT CHE Just like the middle east, the muslims will work with commies here to try to defeat America. I will be proud to stand with all true patriots and defend our country and constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

  • DickEllis

    BOYCOT THE MUSLIM MEETING LIKE THEY WOULD DO FOR EVERYTHING THEY DONT LIKE.  LIKE RAISE HELL AND PUT THE FEAR OF GOD INTO THEM!!!!

  • dragonfFIRE01

    not surprising since the Episcopal Church is a branch of the Church of England and unfortunately Britain is lost

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @dragonfFIRE01 Today there are not many in England that know of this secret powerful group.
      In the year 1600, Queen Elizabeth I presented a charter to the East India Company.  History tells us that their goal was to establish trade relations with the Eastern world, namely India and China.  Officially, its business was trading in tea.  While this is certainly true, there is a much darker side to the story.  The true goals of this company were two-fold:  To study the banking and financial systems of the Eastern world, (namely India) for eventual manipulation, and to introduce opium to the Far East.  It is through the latter of these two that the East India Company was able to amass massive amounts of wealth that was stored in royal coffers.       The way in which this opium trade began was through the growing of prime opium poppies in the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew (also referred to as Kew Gardens), in London.  These were then shipped to India, where the British began growing vast plantations of opium-producing poppies.  From there, the poppies were transported in the form of raw opium, via English Tea Clipper ships, to China, where they were sold to the Chinese people.  For many decades, this opium trade continued uninterrupted, and two main things occurred as a result of it:  1. The East India Company made a fortune selling these vast amounts of opium and 2. The Chinese nation became a nation of addicts, with many millions of people becoming addicted to opium and thereby halting progress to the build-up of the infrastructure of China.  The ruling body of the East India Company was known as The Council of 300, yet as the opium trade began to grow and become more lucrative, pulling in massive amounts of wealth, the British monarchy merged with the company, and from this emerged a group that has to this very day referred to themselves as The Committee of 300.

      • CelticDenise

        The Sasson gangster ran the opium trade from behind that fat moronic sow Victoria’s skirts. Sassoons. Hebes. That’s your “back-story”.

  • TedSmith3

    The icon of Islam is the prophet Muhammad.  He was a warrior who led an army.  He killed people with his sword.
     
    The icon of Christianity is Jesus Christ.  He was a man of peace who healed people and brought some back to life.
     
    See the difference?  Be careful who you invite into your church.

    • GordonNadolni

      @TedSmith3
       If they do not know and have read the Holy Bible, yet still do what they feel is in their best interest. Well they will reap what the sow. They will lock their doors to the homeless, but not to the unfaithful.Let them cast their pearls before the swine.

  • SurferDude

    WHOA WHOA WHOA!! lol PTL anyone in AMERICA is FREE to THINK and SAY what they feel and Think!! we might not Agree nor Like it,it is However a UNIVERSAL: AMERICAN RIGHT granted by the BILL of RIGHTS!! One of the reasons The Founding Fathers Left Europe,was because of Limits on Speech and RELIGION,and last time I looked we Borrowed/modified the Concept of Thanksgiving from the Indians,which do not exactly come from a Christian background True<>? lol  mahalo for reading

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @SurferDude»»»Atheists love EVIL, DOOD»» Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom. 
      Alexis de Tocqueville
       
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alexisdeto164080.html#L7WRiDxUFIKGgCGl.99

  • Former Republican

    Ah, the ignorance! How many of you know that Muslims deeply believe the Old Testament and the four of the Gospels? There are some minor differences that really don’t matter; the divine nature of Jesus is about their only serious disagreement with Christians. Muslims believe, for example, that Jesus the mighty prophet was born of the virgin Mary and is expected to return to Earth for the Christian believers.
    Abraham is revered as the first Muslim, and in fact he was according to the definition. Anyone know what that definition is, or how one becomes a Muslim? ALL that’s required today is to publicly state (and believe) that there is only one God and that Mohammed is His prophet; since Abraham lived nearly 3,000 years before Mohammed, he didn’t have to include the last part. Anyone care to say that he didn’t qualify?
    Islam grew partly out of unhappiness with the perceived corruption and polytheism of 7th century Christianity and Judaism. I tend to agree that much of modern Judaism – without discussing Jesus at all – utterly misses the spirit of God’s Covenants with Abraham & Sons and seems pretty insulting to Yahweh; Muslims’ primary problem with Christians is that they see us as worshipping multiple Gods – the Father, Son (which includes our belief that Jesus was divine), and Holy Spirit. I won’t address the Catholic notion of worshiping Mary, but that’s blasphemous to more than Muslims.
    Has anyone heard of Arianism, by the way? It was a third century teaching that generally agreed with Islam on the subject of the Trinity. It lasted for centuries, is still around in some places (LDS), and *almost* won out among Catholics (when there were no Protestants.) That’s right, Christians could very easily believe today that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were created by the Father, and that actually worshiping either was no different from worshipping idols.
    What do I actually think of Islam? It’s overly legalistic and based largely on good works, which misses the point to say the least, but really no more than Catholicism or Judaism, and it’s at least as sincere as either. By having no equivalent of the Pope (or even Christian pastors, though they have something akin to rabbis), it avoids a lot of potential for corruption. It has its crazy fanatics, which are unfortunately even more prone to violence and other forbidden-by-the-very-religion-they-claim behavior than their Christian equivalents, but look what Christians were like in the 1400’s (since Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam.) The sane majority is much, much more serious and committed to their religion than most Christians are today (not counting pseudo-Christian sects like LDS or Jehovah’s Witnesses), which is sad.

    • budlangpapa

      @Former Republican
       It sounds as if your knowledgoe scripture is very limited. Many of your statements show this is true.  The divinity of Jesus IS THE ISSUE.  If he is not the son of God we have no hope.  No one else takes care of the sin issue.  No other sacrifice but his satisfies a holy God.  He is the savior of the world.  Muhammed created nothing, he died for no one, he never overcame death by his resurecction and on and on.  Christianity is truth, Isalm is a lie and that will prove true when history is finished.

      • Evermyrtle

        @budlangpapa  @Former Republican  Amen and amen

      • GordonNadolni

        @budlangpapa  @Former Republican
         He neglected to mention Shria Law! It is so oppressive to women. Burn the Quran and see what will happen. We do not build churches like the Muslim in order to fullfill our conquest, but that is why these muslims wanted a Mosque next to 911. They belive in blood vengence and so the violence never ends. How can they belive in this Alaha who would instruct them to blow themselves up?

    • Samuel Pratt

      @Former Republican You Lack Basic Bible 101 understanding. In Genesis, the Holy Bible states that God Created the Heavens and the Earth. In Genesis 1:26 “Let us make man in our own image…” This verse IMPLIES, that during creation, there were other SPIRITUAL ENTITIES present. God the SON JESUS CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT. In John 1:14 ” And the WORD became FLESH and dwelt among us…” This flesh mentioned here in the Book of John is JESUS. Now smile, you have just started to learn about the WORD of GOD.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Former Republican Their Jesus Christ did not die on the cross and he was not resurrected. Their Jesus was just a man with no Christian prominence whatsoever

    • JoanNeel

      @Former Republican  You are full of baloney…. Read the Koran and you will quickly see the entire Islamic belief isn’t a religion it’s an ideology based on hatred of all other beliefs.  They are entitled to lie, pretend to befriend non-Muslims, move to countries and live quietly for years having many wives, some wives are children because they are allowed to wed children as young as 3rs.  They continue to build their numbers and pretend to be peaceful, while becoming teachers, politicians, etc. to gain jobs where they can work to influence children in schools, get the laws of the non-Muslim countries changed to allow Sharia law.  Then they use the courts to sue anyone who says anything negative about Islam, to make Sharia the law of the country, instead of Constitutions that are democratic.  Read some of the articles about Muslims taking over in England, France, Italy and even in Canada.  They are patient, this has been developing over several years, and they intend to convert the entire world or kill everyone who refuses to convert.  When anyone says anything negative about their Prophet, they kill that person, or riot in the streets.  Look at Egypt since Morsi has become the president – he is Muslim Brotherhood and the first thing he did was usurp all power and destroy the Constitution and declare Sharia law.  It’s happening all over the Middle East and the Muslims in our country will be next.  If you saw the news today, you would know there is a Muslim family that moved to the U.S. from Pakistan in the 70’s and two of the sons were arrested today for buying weapons of mass destruction to bring to the United States to kill Americans.  Like I said, they are patient, but they are planning to take over our country too, and where is Obama …. silent …. planning a 4 million dollar trip to Hawaii for 22 days.  If you want to see what they have planned just watch whats happening in the Middle East.  You have to watch FOX, though, because the Main Stream Media is ignoring it, just like they ignored the murders of our Ambassador Chris Stevens and our three Special Forces Officers who were murdered while it was watched at the White House for over 7 hours.  They were on their cell phones begging for help.  Two Drones were filming the entire thing.  Obama and Hillary still haven’t told the truth and our Justice Dept. is silent.

      • GordonNadolni

        @JoanNeel  @Former Republican
         Look at that Major Husan( or whatever), who killed all of our Soldier’s thirteen in Ft. Hoood Texas.,he is able to  keeps his U.S. Army paycheck at about $6,000.00 a month  while going on trial.,that has lasted over two years now! Obama calls it  Violence at the Workplace. Why did we not just shoot him in the head? If he hated America so bad why did’nt he leave. I tell you why to do exactly what he did, call our soldiers to attention and then kill them. That is you Islame faith for you.

  • thethinman

    Churches are businesses – they need to be taxed.

    • JoanNeel

      @thethinman  You don’t know what you are talking about.  We pay tithes to support our churches because those churches build hospitals, orphanages, feed hungry people, donate to the poor and go into poor neighborhoods and rehab homes for people.  We go into areas when there are tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.  When Sandy hit the East Coast, it was churches who arrived first to feed the people, bring water, blankets, doctors, etc.  Christians work without “photo-ops” like the politicians, who give lip service but do nothing for the people.  We have year-round food pantries, support unwed mothers, support children of parents who are in prisons.  Christians are slandered, and without the love of Christ in hearts, there wouldn’t be the donations and kind selfless acts of charity.

      • budlangpapa

        @JoanNeel  @thethinman
         You are exactly right.  Churches have been more liberal in their giving to others than any institution on earth.  We have built hospitals, educational institutions, fed and clothed millions around the world, built homes, sent medical help, etc. etc. etc. and there is no media coverage for these unselfish efforts so no one notices.

        • GordonNadolni

          @budlangpapa  @JoanNeel  @thethinman
           Oh yeah! the educational institutions that are private and charge a bundle for,Hospitals that refuse to do an abortion even if the Mother’s life is at risk,the feed and cloth millions around the world, but to what extent, the people will be hungry tommorrow and become dependent on that food instead of trying to feed themselves, what a waste. Hurrican Sandy and Hurrican Kitriana people lost their home, but no help there, medical help in a country that is rich beyond anyone’s dreams, but do not care and would be willing to kill anyone who tried. You are throwing a glass of water in the Ocean. these do gooder’s need to take the “Bolder out of their own eye, before trying to take a splinter out of their neighbor’s. The media should not cover events that do not concern us and it should not concern these so called Christian’s. They get so much money from the donations just to go there and could use that money to help our own.

    • GordonNadolni

      @thethinman
       At least the Catholic Church should. They send 10% of the donations back to the Pope, is that not a Tax?. The Pope lives in a Palace that was bought from the Gold brought back from the spainards, who stole and killed the Mayan’s(nice) how does the Pope, who takes a vow of Poverty be able to fly in a Lear Jet called ,”Shepard One”, has the Pope mobile, his own Butler and yet when the Church smuggles in Illegal’s into our Country I don’t see the Pope paying for it.Oh we are suppose to hate the wicked and even Jesus trashed the Temple that was using it for other things than to worship. We cannot belive in anything or anyone, but must put our faith and prayers unto the Lord.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Freud was an atheist. Jung was a Metaphysical_Christian who helped AA, by suggesting an HIGHER POWER, to emerge from the HELL_OF_ALCOHOLISM.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    Following, is a SNEERING_MOCKING_COMMENT, to me from a MAN OF THE CLOTH who ripped me every way but sideways, earlier in the week, on another blog.
    This clown is ready to KILL ME, because I KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    Thr Flatlands Preacher
     lightvdark
     I will include you in my daily prayers, whether or not you apprecite it, that you come to grips with reality and stop mis-interpreting scripture into hateful actions.  Was it not Jesus himself who taught us that we must love our enemies?  Your continued hatreds drip from your comments in a manner that hints strongly at mental instability.
     »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    Please see a coiunselor of your choice — and don’t kill him if he disagrees with your hateful premises.  that would be “bad form.”

  • MacdonaldCory

    The Episcopal Church is hardly a Christan church anymore. It is Christan in name only now. This church will bend with the wind because in wants to get along. I hardly think that any Episcopalian will become Muslim;  the church can hardly abide with Christan theology; members who convert won’t be good Muslims. But, Episcopalians are fools; they will believe any B.S. that Muslims say.

    • GordonNadolni

      @MacdonaldCory
       I for one am glade that Mitt Romney did not win. At the time it was the only choice. Who knows anything about the Mormon faith. We know another name they went under is Seventh day adventice. They belive in multiple marriages, even though they say they do not do that anymore. They add to the Holy Bible and condence it with their own. Mitt was called a Bishop, which is what they call the Head of their Church, so I guess they needed a Cardinial to out rank him. I think Mitt sold out to Obama, so he could get a job with the Marriott., besides all this, the Mormons do not belive in fighting for their country, at least as far as I know, so how could Mitt send troops anywhere if he would be unwilling to send his own son’s?

  • gnafuasusual

    We need Islam like we need another ?? My Lord and Savior wll do just fine. Islams have been killing each other for eons. That is not religion, that is Islam’s hatred for others as well as for their own people! no matter how they want to “sell it.”

  • ptefft

    In the Episcopal church as well as the mainline protestant churches, Presbyterians USA, United Methodist mostly agree with the idea of getting along with others.  This is a good thing unless you allow all of your Christian doctrine out the door which they have.  Conservative congregations in these denominations still believe the Bible and practice what it preaches.  When you allow non christian thought and practice in the Christian church, it can no longer be called a true Christian church.  Muslims are not hoping for a welcome, they intend to destroy all Christianity and its followers if they have their way.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ptefft I believe that this is one of the churches that has bowed to Chrislam.which is blasphemy against GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.

  • Ithamar

    Muslims defiling an Episcopal church in California? Why not? Sodomites are allowed to defile the historic Christian chapel at West Point with a blasphemous “sodomite marriage” and barely a protest from any Christian leader in America much less any leadership in the military.

  • SpecialKinNJ

    “America needs Islam. If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.”  Bu that’st not an elementary deduction.  Indeed, it could be said “America needs Islam like it needs as hole in the head”. Less pejoratively speaking,  America condones Islam-believers, as it does believers of other faiths, or non-believers–and generally believe “by their deeds ye shall know them”. Unfortunately for members of  the large non-Islamist, live-and-let-live majority in the general community of Islam, the invariably foul deeds of Islamists there in tend to give Islam, per se, a bad name.

  • Samuel Pratt

    HMMMM!!! Well, when it comes to the Episcopalian Churches, they have gone to the level of “self-convenience”. I grew up, during my Elementary School days,  in the Anglican/Episcopal Church in West Africa and did NOT learn virtually anything about Jesus Christ except perhaps, the mention of the name Jesus Christ. The Head Master of my Elementary School was also the Vicar on Sundays. He was a very Immoral Man and from my memories about him, He was only concerned about His Belly and what ever stood in-between his legs. He drank a lot of dark beer, whiskey, and dry gin, cooked three different pots of soup every week and womanized every woman coming his way. He got away with it since these were the days shortly after Independence by Colonial Masters. Next, I did visit England for the first time in 2004. Somewhere in London, there was an ex-Episcopalian Church Building, that has been sold to the Muslims. Now the building has Islamic scripture writings, the crescent moon drawing and it is now a Mosque. I can go on and on about this Church of England and what it really stands for: Remember, the primary purpose for the creation of the Church of England was for One of its Monarchy Kings to “Divorce” His wife from the Roman Catholic Church and marry another woman. The Roman Catholics refused, hence the formation of the Church of England. Please NOTE in the Holy Scripture, Paul and Peter, did NOT enter any other form of Worship building except the Synagog on a Sabbath day. So why should the Episcopalian people allow Islamist to Hold meetings in the building supposedly used to worship GOD. What next? Will they allow the Buddha to hold similar meetings?  In Revelations 1:11 Seven Churches are mention. Only ONE is the right Church. Excluding the Episcopalians, there are over 500 different denominations and Churches in America alone.

  • Robert E Smith Sr

    To be ignorant of the deity of Christ, is to be ignorant of the Church, which is His body, the fulness of His expression on earth.  Islam and the Church of Jesus Christ, has nothing whatsoever in common; NOTHING!

  • DrProTruth

    I recently posted this on another blog: I’ve been researching the Arab/Israeli conflict for over five years now. I have written an academic paper on the subject, have been to Israel three times researching the subject, have interviewed dozens of Muslims, Jews, Christians, ex-Muslims who are now Christians, and Messianic Jews in Israel as well as the United States–including academic leaders, political leaders, religious leaders and the average person on the street on both sides of the issue–and have produced a national television special called “Change the Heart Change the World” scheduled to air this month, have produced a four-week curriculum on the very subject, and am currently writing a dissertation on the subject: “Whose Land Is It? An Examination of the ownership of the Land of Israel and the three major world religions that claim their roots in this Land, and how Christianity may serve as the broker of Peace in the Middle East.” Through my research I have discovered the political rhetoric and misinformation the average American believes about the Israelis and the Palestinian-Arabs boggles the mind.
     
    Palestine did not even exist until AD 135 when Hadrian, the then Emperor of Rome, conquered the Jews in the Jewish revolt against Rome Hadrian renamed the region Palaestina in an effort to blot out Judea from the annals of history. The irony is the Jews still living in the region would be considered the original Palestinians, if there were such a thing. The Arabs would not occupy this region five centuries later when they conquered the Byzantines in AD 638.
     
    The region went under Damascus rule during the Ottoman Empire, and the name Palestine was revived by the British Mandate after WWI and the ultimate fall of the Ottoman Empire. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1917 Rothschild gave a portion of Palestine as a homeland to the Jewish nation who had been dispersed among the nations with no nation of its own for many centuries.
     
    My research reveals Jews, Muslims and Christians alike are victims of radicalism, and of radical Islam terrorism in particular, where life and limb are threatened if people from all three factions resist their radical agenda of world domination. In some ways, the average Muslim living in the Holy Land is more the victim than other factions as they live under the constant rule of radical Islam terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood et al. and are pawns of the political rhetoric of radical Islam, which research reveals is drastically different from the mainstream religion of Islam.
     
    The goal of radical Islam–according to Muhammad’s teachings in the Qur’an–is that the entire world be under the banner of Islam and they will stop short of nothing to achieve this goal. Under world domination of Islam Sharia Law would be the rule of the day. The only non-Muslims allowed to live in an Islam-dominated society under Sharia Law are dhimmi class citizens–they who are of another monotheistic religion i.e. Jew or Christian and agree to live under Islam and practice their own religion, not in public but only in the privacy of their own home. The “dhimmis” would pay a special surtax to the government of Islam, would have no rights under Sharia Law, and all their property would be confiscated and owned by the government as dhimmis are not allowed to own anything.
     
    One of the primary misconceptions lies in the term “peace.” On one side, peace looks like co-existence, while on the other side, peace looks like the entire world under Islam saying “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad his prophet.” Under UN Resolution 242 Israel agreed to give back much of the land they gained during the ’67 Six Day War, but Islam’s answer to this resolution addressed in the Kartoom Resolution of 1967 was an astonishing “No Peace with Israel, No Negotiation with Israel, No Acceptance of Israel.” And this is the stance of radical Islam toward Israel to this day.
     
    Although life in Israel is not perfect, it is a democracy and as such, the Muslim people have many freedoms their Muslim friends and family do not experience living in Gaza and the West Bank in the region. Because of this, many many Muslims “vote with their feet” by preferring to live in Israel under Israeli law over against living under the heavy hand of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.
     
    While world leaders and politicians continue to try and mitigate the Middle East conflict through peace talks, land-for-peace talks, and cease-fires, my research reveals only through changed hearts on both sides will peace come to the Land. This is an ages-old struggle of sibling rivalry between two brothers–Isaac and Ishmael–that has carried on through their descendants and ultimately has engaged the entire world, and Jesus the Messiah–the Prince of Peace–holds the only answer to peace between the descendants of the two brothers.
     
    There is so much more to say…and this is such an abbreviated and oversimplified explanation of this very convoluted conflict…but it is my hope that some will have a better understanding of what all residents of this region of the world experience on a daily basis, and how genuine peace will come to this Land only through changed hearts, not through changed policies.

  • DrProTruth

    ….and this: Another fallacy initiated by radical Islam and political leaders like the one who currently occupies our nation’s White House and that is endorsed and propagated by the MSM is that there is a Palestinian people per se just like there is a Jewish people, and that in all fairness each should have their own nation. This could not be further from the truth.
     
    To be clear: There is no Palestinian bloodline; there is no Palestinian native language; there is no Palestinian economy; there is no Palestinian industry et al–there is only radical Islam terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Al-Qaida, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority who recently has allied itself with Hamas, all of whose only goal is to wipe Israel off the map and force them into the Mediterranean Sea through the means of forcing or inciting average Muslims to do their malevolent work for them.
     
    When the Jews began migrating back to their homeland in the early 20th century they became known as Palestinian-Jews. This can be verified in the newsreel footage shot from that time. To this day there are Palestinian-Christians and Palestinian-Arabs living in Palestine and the Palestinian-Jews are all but a thing of the past.
     
    It wasn’t until 1928, with the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood, when that organization began to refer to the Arabs residing in this region as Palestinians per se. Only after decades of hearing this rhetoric has the Arab populace residing in Palestine become known as Palestinians–to the exclusion of every other ethnicity.
     
    Concerning Israel, on the other hand, history proves there is a Jewish people who has existed for some 4,000 years, who has been disinherited of their homeland several times down through the centuries. There is a Jewish bloodline traceable through the smallest amount of DNA; the Jewish people have a native tongue called the Hebrew language, which is spoken by all Israelis; they have a booming economy based in research and development on a world scale demonstrated through the creation and exportation of electronic devices like innovative cellphones and agricultural creations like hybrid tomatoes and bananas et al–not to mention their own defense system which is second to non–as it indeed must be.

    • CelticDenise

      Jews have bene booted out of evey place they’ve ever gone BECAUSE of their behavior. They’ve ripped off every-one, and they’ve looted the USA. Farmets have been cross-breeding all sorts of seeds and plants fopr CENTURIES. Jews, of course, take credit for everything every-one else does. Yawn. What else is new.
       
      Now how about that spitting on Christians thing?Will you actually work during the night of the Klipocks?

      • JoanNeel

        @CelticDenise  Jesus was a Jew and if you think about it, we all came from Noah after the flood, so our roots are Jewish …. I love the Jewish people and will defend them to the death because they are God’s chosen people.

        • Pat78

          @JoanNeel  @CelticDenise They were God’s chosen people under the Ark of the Covenant until many of them denied Jesus Christ, who becomes the new Covenant with Mary being the Ark of the Covenant, the one who bore the Son of God.  The Pharisees denied Jesus as the Son.  
            Those who believed Jesus was the long awaited savior became the People who were referred to as Catholics from around 140 AD to the present day. These were Jews, Gentiles, Greeks, etc.

        • CelticDenise

          @Pat78  @JoanNeel The Christ called out the Children of Abraham as the Children of the Devil. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Learn their real history. Not the lies the spew. The Christ was and is  the New Covanent. Logos. They love Chaos.

        • CelticDenise

          @JoanNeel No He was not. He was a Judean. Research some REAL history, PLEASE. They are NOT “God’s Chosen”. Gos kicked ‘em to the curbv. They HAAAAAAAAAATE Christians. Please research spitting onthe Christians., and the Night of the Klipocks. Read what the Talmiud says about the Christ. i’m begging you. You are repeating the Scofield heresy. Please open your eyes. Israel is the true name for the Christian Host. Israel are Christians. Save your soul.

        • JoanNeel

          @CelticDenise  Christ died for all and according to Holy Scripture, we are not to judge, or we will be judged accordingly by our Lord on the day of judgement.  I read the R.S.V.  Revised Standard Version Bible.  Also, my son is a Lutheran pastor ….

        • CHerrin

          @JoanNeel  @CelticDenise It behooves us to defend them because if we do not, we invite the wrath of God. I used to detest the general attutude of Islamists toward the Jews; but now I only feel sorry for them because their punishment will dwarf anything a regular man could ever think of. I’ve often thought that the reason Islamists are in so much trouble is because they have so violently turned their backs on Our Heavenly Father, the One who sent Christ to save us by dying on the cross and rising again…something No One Ever Did Before or Has Ever Done Since (I’m trying not to scream…). As the old song goes, sort of, They are to be pitied more than censured.

      • NavyJR

        @CelticDenise Your antisemitism is showing, rather badly my dear.  Did it neveer occur to you that the hatred preceded the Jews’ actions because in many places in Europe, the ONLY means of earning their livings was by usury, by the EUROPEANS’ laws?  And for which terrible crimes were they slaughtered all over Europe during the last century?    Antisemitism goes back as long as there have been sons of Shem, and it hasn ‘t changed much al all in all those millenia!

        • CelticDenise

          @NavyJR Oh please. you are either a total dupe, or a Jew. Wrong. Jews have had pretty much free reign, wherever they went, especially in Europe, until the local populations finally get fed up with thier abuse and mayhem. Jews have been driven out BECAUSE of their behavior. Jews were emancipated in Germeny fore centuries, and they paid back the favor in subversion, and punder, as per always.  FYI – Jewish population numbers ROSE during the “death camp” years. The Death Camps were in Russia. For White Russian Christians. The Romanovs were murdered by Jews, start to finish. Lazar Kaganavich was the real mass murderer of the 20th Century. Germany – the Banker Jews did to Germeny what they are doing to America NOW. Sorry dear – the truth is emerging.

        • CelticDenise

          @NavyJR Most Jews are Khazar. Asiatics. Not Semites. cosidering the way Jews treat actual Semites – Arabs – Jews are the WORSt Anti Semites on Earth. Now tell every one about the Anti Gentilism of the Talmud, King’s Torah, and Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, among millions of others….FYI – ya can’t have anti-Jewism without Jews. around to create it.

        • NavyJR

          @CelticDenise I’d be VERY interested to know where it is you got this information.  Because it’s completely contrary to every scrap of history I learned; much of it from people who lived through it!  Sounds to me like some of the propaganda that used to be spread by white supremacist groups.  And no, the people who told me weren’t Jews; but they were Europeans.

        • NavyJR

          @CelticDenise There are 2 strains of Semites; Jews and Arabs; and the hatred between them goes BOTH ways; with the Arabs being the more violent of the 2.  N ow as for Jews, they are Semites; Sephardics who stayed in the middle eastern region after the Roman dispersion; and Ashkenazis who were scattered across Europe by the Roman empire!  I’ve read the Torah; there’s no “anti- Gentilism” in it, in the context you’re implying.  The Israelis were instructed to live apart from the Gentiles but NOT to hate or harm them.  Nor have I found any such instructions in the Talmud.  I haven’t read the good Rabbi’s works so I can’t say about that, but I was welcomed warmly at the synagogue I visited, while in college, even though I’m not of Jewish blood and wasnt a convert eiher.  And Jews don’t have to create what is already present in the hearts of others against them.  Even my good friends in Kuwait have less hate for the Jews than you’re manifesting here, and they ARE Arab!

        • JoanNeel

          @CelticDenise  @NavyJR  You are spewing the regurgitated Communist/Socialist propaganda.  People who are so prejudice against an entire race of people show their ignorance very quickly, as you have with your hatred of the Jews.

        • JC1929

          @NavyJR @CelticDenise
          Amen! Everything she reads is gospel truth! I pity her, big time.

  • LeonardW Giddens Jr

    This is the Trojan Horse if there every was one. Don’t fall for it.

  • BarbaraJohnson

    I am glad that I quit the Episcopalian Church a few years ago, and will not return. It wasn’t in California, though.

    • GordonNadolni

      @BarbaraJohnson
       There shall be many false prophets. The Episcopalian Church was created by Henry the VIII, because the Catholic church does not belive in divorce, Marriage is a vow to God and all you love for life. I do not belive much in the Catholic Church either. One reason is they teach you the Lord’s Prayer, which was how Christ instructed his flock to pray. They call the Preist (Father) and are informed not to ., also the Preist cannot forgive you for your sin’s, but they think they can. The Muslim faith will be the weed wacker for all of these false religions.

  • Kissitgoodbye

    Where is the ACLU when it comes to calling Muslim prayer and providing tradional foot baths in public schools and colleges?

    • CelticDenise

      @Kissitgoodbye The ALCJoo does everything they can on behalf of ANYTHING non-White and non-Christian.

    • NavyJR

      @Kissitgoodbye They’ve been plenty active on that front; and don’t need any new ideas.

    • JoanNeel

      @Kissitgoodbye  The ACLU is a Communist organization …. check it on google. They defend the Muslims but attack Christians.

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @JoanNeel /. I think you are right in that! They frequently make the argument of Separation of Church and State EXCEPT if it involves Muslims. All I ask is that the law be applied to all and not for some.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Liberalism=SATANISM»»»
    All churches have become LIBERALIZED. Meaning»»»We shall LOVE OUR ENEMIES AND LET THEM RAPE, MURDER AND CONQUER US.
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/07/pinnacle-of-self-destruction.html?m=1
    So, we see a case of causeless, self-destructive hatred. This senseless and absolutely irrational self-hatred could be explained by only one thing: the suicide syndrome characteristic of cultures in their last stage of dying. In lack of ideals, vital forces, and even instinct of self-preservation they surrender themselves to barbarians, with flattering and even masochistic humility give themselves up to rough and despotic conquerors.

    • JoanNeel

      @lightvdark  I don’t know what kind of churches you are familiar with, but let me tell you the majority of my friends have weapons for protection.  We aren’t going quietly into the night.

  • jiluvjen

    Only the vacuum heads in California would cater to this type of terrorist group in hiding.  May they STAY out there and DIE out there!

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @jiluvjen / Don’t you remember when the Muslim Community thought it was perfectly fine to build their “Community Center” right near ground zero? Don’t know what became of that. Talk about insensitivity!

      • BonnieBoyles

        @Kissitgoodbye  I wonder too what happened to that.  Haven’t heard anything on it for a long time.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @BonnieBoyles /. I think the idea was blatantly disrespectful to Americans, but yet we should trip over ourselves to accommodate them! Want a call to prayer in our public schools? SURE! What do you think would happen if Catholics wanted prayer time in those very same schools? That’s what I mean. We can’t sing a Christmas Carol or put up a tree without a lawsuit, citing separation of Church and State, But this is just fine. I must be missing something.

        • CelticDenise

          @BonnieBoyles  @Kissitgoodbye The NYC unions assured every-one involved that no mosque will rise there.

        • NavyJR

          @BonnieBoyles  @Kissitgoodbye Far as I know Bloomberg and his flunkies gave them the go-ahead; and I say let them… when it’s built and ready to open THEN we tell them WHY the wall for which Wall Street was named was built there…See, that whole area used to be infested with wild pigs, so the Dutch farmers built that wall to keep them out of the fields to the north of that wall; but the pigs still had free run of the south part of Manhattan.  That whole region is infested with pigs’ blood and carcasses.

        • JoanNeel

          @BonnieBoyles  @Kissitgoodbye  It was built about a block from the World Trade Center.  Also, Muslims are so tribal, they buy churches to turn them into mosques, or whatever building that enables them to gloat as having conquered their enemy.  Their goal for our country is to build a mosque where the White House stands.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @NavyJR @BonnieBoyles @Kissitgoodbye / That would really have them bouncing off the walls! LOL! They wouldn’t be able to get out of there fast enough! How DO you know all of this? You have vast knowledge of historical facts at your disposal, Navy!

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @JoanNeel @BonnieBoyles /. That doesn’t surprise me. I guess Bloomberg did have much of a choice. They would have cost the city big bucks and claim discrimination.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          I meant did not have much of a choice! It’s keying on a small keyboard.

        • BonnieBoyles

          @Kissitgoodbye  @BonnieBoyles It’s crazy.

        • BonnieBoyles

          @NavyJR   –  That’s funny.  Serve them right.

        • BonnieBoyles

          @JoanNeel  You’re kidding, aren’t you?  OMG!

        • Richard R Tryon

          @CelticDenise  @BonnieBoyles  @Kissitgoodbye 
          Hi Celtic Denise: Thanks for letting me know that others do sometimes see a comment! Mine regarding TEC and a Muslim Convention in an Episcopal Church in CA shows how ecumenical thinking can go too far.
           
          BTW, your comment on the mosque for lower Manhattan only needed a pig farmer to leave one dead pig at the site to banish it forever as ground no longer suitable for a Holy mosque!
           
          The original text of our conversation read:”I do hope that our glorious Presiding Bishop has arranged to be on hand to greet the Men in charge of this Convention of Islam so that she can offer to provide them with new leadership to bring the polygamy of Islam into TEC as the one time Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. has renamed itself. Perhaps she can also find the opportunity to commence a dialog on how to follow the more peaceful tenants of Islam and accept simple stoning, beheading, etc. as more humane means of reflecting God’s wrath when Men or women engage in unnatural sex acts not found in Islam because of the result of mandatory five times a day prayer at the nearest mosque.   Perhaps she can volunteer to turn over empty church buildings formerly occupied by parishioners that had the temerity to think that just because they provided the resources to build them, she really owns them! It should not be too hard to get them to use some of the oil money we send to the major Islamic oil producing states to pay her so she can add more similar available properties for the spread of the Islamic code of peace- that tolerates no dissent!”

        • CelticDenise

          @Kissitgoodbye  @JoanNeel  @BonnieBoyles Please. Bloomberg the Jew knows exactly what he’s doing. No choice? Jews and Muslism have worked hand in hand for centuries to destroy Christian Nations. Learn REAL history.

        • CelticDenise

          @JoanNeel  @BonnieBoyles  @Kissitgoodbye There’s a HUGE Devil’s Trident x3 onthe Crack House lawn now…..

      • CHerrin

        It was my understanding that that mosque never got built. Let me know if I’m wrong. Just curious to know the truth.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @CHerrin / I never heard what the outcome was. I know families of those murdered were upset and were vocal, but I think the press only covered it to a point. I never asked about it because it is a painful topic for my family.

      • CHerrin

        It was my understanding that that mosque never got built. Please let me know if I’m wrong. Just curious.

        • CelticDenise

          The NYC unions, behind the scenes, told the authorities that a Ground Zero Mosque would “have an accident” the moment ANY building was begun. Period.

  • remesquaddie

    Time for a new CRUSADE.

    • KeithCP

      @remesquaddie I’ve Been saying that for a while now, but the feminized modern Christians still think god will save them without their effort.

      • NavyJR

        @KeithCP  @remesquaddie Not unless you’re a LOT more serious about it; the last 4 didn’t really accomplish a whole lot!

        • remesquaddie

          @NavyJR  @KeithCP This next Crusade, we shall come carrying water.

  • pearlnpeter

    It is time to evangelize the Muslims, because, if they hear the Gospel, they have every reason to embrace Our Lord, just all people around the world have done since the beginning of His church.

    • NavyJR

      @pearlnpeter You DO know that evangelism of any form by anyone other than Muslims is FORBIDDEN in Muslim ruled lands, I trust?   And that they enforce that law?  Christians were the dominant religion in that region before Muhammad came along; he slaughtered the by the thousands, as his followers are still doing quite actively right up to today!

    • JC1929

      @pearlnpeter THEY PROBABLY HAVE READ THIS SITE AND RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

  • Henry Hoskison

    They have a lot of diffrent groups,they are ALL bad!!!!!. THEY PLAY GOOD COP BAD COP/ Citizen;

    • Henry Hoskison

      By the way, Islam is NOT a religion,its a cult. NO GOD would believe in the KARON .

      • NavyJR

        @Henry Hoskison  According to Muslim historian scholars Walid and Ted Shoebat, who are now American citizens, Allah was a moon god in the ancient Babylonian era, and before that he was known as a god of violence and war .  So, I’d say that fits…  Think about who it was that Abram left Ur of the Chaldees because he DIDN’T want to worship…

      • JC1929

        @Henry Hoskison HENRY MY BOY, YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO SPELL MUSLIM WORDS. TRY AGAIN. I THINK THE MUSLIMS TAKE IS AS A RELIGION. CHRISTIANITY ISN’T EITHER, IT IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.

  • gas pump junkie

    I hope they have good insurance on their church building because the Muslims will take offense to all the Christian symbols and banners as well as any crosses and they will have no recourse but to tear it up or burn it down.

  • John The Baptist

    Muslims do not Believe in Christ as the Son of GOD .  Islam believes that all Christians and Non-Islam  are Infidels  and need to be Killed !  Why would any Christian Church that Believes the BIBLE allow  Non-Believers to Have any service in their Holy  Chapel. ???

    • budlangpapa

      @John The Baptist
       If these churches support or try to promote Islam in any way count them as apostate.  Another sign of the times in which we are living.

    • CHerrin

      Why would any church, in California or elsewhere, allow same-sex marriage? Because they have been so drenched in the political correctness horror that they have been completely emasculated. Now comes the Devil, spewing his venom, in the form of an Islamic group by any name, and those same sheep, who drank the poison of PC, will rush to the trough to prove how tolerant they are of the devil’s flock. If my church did something like that, I would not be able to run out of it fast enough. I’m going to check with my pastor tomorrow in Sunday School so that he can give his answer in front of witnesses, just to make sure he lives up to this word.

    • Evermyrtle

      @John The Baptist Because they put JESUS CHRIST aside and said, “Forget about HIM”  HE is not all that important, we cannot afford to stand for HIM against these people and the world!” There are many churches and denominations that have decided to go “Chrislam” which is a united Christian and Islam church trying to unite a heathen church with GOD’S people. It cannot be done. They will have the WORD OF GOD one one corner of the pulpit and the Koran on the side or so I understand. The point is nto to turn teh Islam for Satan but to “unite!””

  • John The Baptist

    It is time for the Knights Templar  to put  on  their Armor of GOD ,  raise  their  Swords  and slay the Beast !

    • CelticDenise

      @John The Baptist Amen.

    • JC1929

      @John The Baptist
      ROFLIOL

  • Yoikes

    I am convinced that Islam is the anti-Christ religion of the Revelation and end times.  It’s symbol of a crescent moon and star are the exact symbols for the name of Lucifer, exact!  Any church that invites Islam in is in serious risk of promoting Satan and his anti-christ religion.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Islam and LIBERALISM ARE THE ANTICHRIST. You halfwits who FEEL THAT TAXING THE CHURCH WILL FIX ANYTHING—PLEASE, JUST KILL YOURSELVES—Or, wait till the Jihad comes to YOUR TOWN, and become MUSLIMS.
    Flatland-COWARD-PREACHER—Show your FLOCK, HOW TO RUN AWAY WITH THEIR THEIR HANDS IN THE AIR—Winston Churchill wrote in 1899—
    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.

    • budlangpapa

      @lightvdark
       These are types of the antichrist but he will be a real person when he makes his appearance in the future.   He is the one who will institute the 7 year covenant of peace with Israel.  It is a major key event that will identfy him.  Just place your trust in Christ for he has overcome the world.

    • JoanNeel

      @lightvdark  I think we have a Muslim here …..

      • JC1929

        @JoanNeel @lightvdark RUN LIKE HELL! GET AWAY! THEY BITE!

    • JoanNeel

      @lightvdark  I think we have a Muslim here ….. judging by his slander of Christ.

      • Evermyrtle

        @JoanNeel  @lightvdark Muslims are anti-CHRIST as well as anti-GOD, They do have a Jesus who DID NOT DIE ON A CROSS NOR DID HE RISE FROM THE GRAVE.They also have a God, but he is not our GOD. What makes  bad thing even worse we have by the million, liberals who do not worship any god and they are just vicious against GOD as are the Muslims

        • Johnny P

          Now that I have read most of the reply’s of the nice folks, it is interesting at best. How about turning the table around 180 degrees. We CHRISTIANS could contact a Monque telling them we need a place to meet.  I[F] they refuse on religous grounds, we will be able to use the exact tactics on them that they use on us/we CHRISTIANS.   Fore you see it goes both ways.  Most non-christians use the idea: Give unto others before they give unto you.  CHRISTIANS: Would rather show respect and give what we receive.  It boild down to: Don’t dish out any thing you cannot handle.

        • CelticDenise

          Excellent idea. “Intefaith dialogues” always only go one way. With Christians bending over, and begging to be reamed.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise This is a statement that only a liberal would be guilty of making. No well thinking, loving Christian would ever even think of such a vile comment!!!

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Liberalism and Islam are two sides of a 2 TAILED COIN–

    Isaiah 3:4;
    ——-
    Douay-Rheims Bible
    And I will give children to be their princes, AND THE EFFEMINATE shall rule over them.
    Or—————–
    And I will give children – Not children in respect to age so much as in regard to talent for governing. I WILL COMMIT THE LAND TO THE GOVERNMENT OF WEAK AND IMBECILE PRINCES. This would naturally occur when the wise and great were removed;
    ————

  • fordfool

    I firmly detest ANY further insistence by foreign-borne  anti-Christ functions to prevent their furthr spewing hatred
     
    Regardless of their “nicely-phrased purpose”, it’s our commonly learned exper. they have nothing but national division, hatred  to further Islam alliances & to fight the core   values of America
    fordfool

  • budlangpapa

    These churches who identify with or promote Islam in any way are apostate in their thinking.  Their is no God but Jehovah the creator of everything.  Any effort to tie him to other false gods is idol worship at best and evil at its core.
    Mohammed’s existence was never prophisied,  he never created anything, he never died for anyones sins, and he was never resurrected from the dead and provided victory over death.  Only Jesus, the son of the living God did all these things. Churches who try to equate these beliefs with Islam are clearly apostate and will lead many scripturally ignorant believers to distruction.

  • GordonNadolni

    The Muslims will be the Weed wacker for all of these false relgions that pretend to be Christian, but will not be able to stand the fire of truth. Espical and Catholic are alike. A Preist cannot be called “Father” that is blasphmey of the Holy spirit and the Episcopal Church was founded by Henry the VIII so he could divorce his six wives. A Preist cannot forgive you for your sins, only Christ can.

  • DickEllis

    There should be a MASSIVE show at this CHURCH like the MUSLIMS DO when they dont like anything.  They like to raise HELL, then LETS GIVE THEM  THE SAME TREATMENT.  Even disrupt there meeting to let them know there not wanted here in the U S A now or ever.

  • DickEllis

    I wonder how many PIECES OF SILVER THEY ARE GETTING TO GO AGAINST GOD LIKE JUDIS DID AGAINST JESUS!!!!

  • benito44

    “Taqiyyah”  is allowing this for purposes of deception.  Otherwise followers of islam are forbidden to set foot in any christian church property.

    • JC1929

      @benito44 Do you have any idea how may muslims in middle east are coming to Christ? Know how? Loving Christians loved them in. But you would lock them out. EGAD! how judgmental! You grieve the Holy Spirit.

  • AnnHeimsteadLawler

    Whats wrong with the episcopal church anyway?

  • SR ROSE

    AS A CATHOLIC THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN OUR CHURCHES;
    HOWEVER WE MAY HAVE BIBLE BELIEVING MINISTERS SPEAK AT OUR CHURCHES BUT
    NOT DURING OUR MASS.

    • JoanNeel

      @SR ROSE  If my Missouri Synod Lutheran Church allowed Muslims to come to our church without confessing true faith in Jesus Christ as the living Son of God and be baptized in the faith – I would leave my church and find a Pastor who would NOT be so gullible.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Insane people argue and debate about the outcome of a coin toss. Smiley-Faced-Christians are ALWAYS CHIRPING—JOHN 3:16–»»»»»3 short verses later–
    John 3:19 (WYC) And this is the DOOM, FOR LIGHT CAME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED MORE DARKNESS AND LIGHT; FOR THEIR WORKS WERE EVIL.

    • JoanNeel

      @lightvdark  You can blaspheme all you want, because thanks be to God, we live in a Republic which guarantees you that right, but every single person will have to stand before God one day and answer for his rejection of His Son, Jesus Christ, whether you believe or not, you will have to answer to your creator, no matter how much you deny Him.  I feel sorry for you, because you are missing out on a personal relationship with our Lord God.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JoanNeel»»»I DID, write that in ENGLISH, DIDN’T I? BLASPHEME?
        HOW INSANE ARE YOU, JOAN?

      • pete08

        @JoanNeel  @lightvdark
         I believe Jesus Christ is The Son of God…not allah the moon god who admits to decieving man as stated in the koran.
        As a christian of the last 46 years of my life I read in The Bible that no man comes to the Father but through Jesus Christ.  Speeking the turth is not blasphemy.

        • Evermyrtle

          @pete08  @JoanNeel  @lightvdark While lightvdark may have been speaking the truth, it does not seem to me like the way MY SAVIOR WOULD HAVE SPOKEN IT. It seems to b filled with spite  or hate,  not as if  he wants to influence people “by his great wisdom” to change their ways and live for GOD. JESUS told HIS disciples to go and tell the news,  if they did not accept it, to leave them , “shaking the dust off of your feet. If you scream at them like this they will certainly not accept it. “Pride goeth before a fall”

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Evermyrtle—- Proverbs 29:27 THE RIGHTEOUS DESPISE THE UNJUST; the wicked despise the godly. English Standard Version  (©2001)
          The words, IMBECILE AND EFFEMINATE(GAY), are STRAIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. Jesus DID NOT FORGIVE EVIL.

        • JoanNeel

          @Evermyrtle  @pete08  @lightvdark  That was exactly my point …. lightvdark seems to be filled with hate, which is sad.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark Bravo…you really told her! Gues each of you told the other. LOL

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JoanNeel»»»Telling YOU, that you are an IMBECILIC_CHILD IS NOT BLASPHEMY, STUPID!———————————–
        — Isaiah 3:4; ——- Douay-Rheims Bible And I will give children to be their princes, AND THE EFFEMINATE shall rule over them. Or—————– And I will give children – Not children in respect to age so much as in regard to talent for governing. I WILL COMMIT THE LAND TO THE GOVERNMENT OF WEAK AND IMBECILE PRINCES. This would naturally occur when the wise and great were removed; ————

        • Evermyrtle

          @lightvdark You are so hateful and mean with your advice! Who are you trying to influence. You speak the words but do you live the life.? If you want change a person using such words as “stupid, imbecile, idiot, will not do it, If you want to turn people away from GOD, you are going about it perfectly!! You must remember that you are one of us, a sinner!

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @ Myrtle, God does NOT, LOVE EVERYBODY!
          ADULT-CHILDREN ARE EVIL. LIBERALISM IS SATANIC.
          I HATE EVIL. I shake the dust from my feet, with PHYSICAL BEINGS, LIKE 2 BROTHERS, SO THEY DON’T KILL ME.
          Online, I have a little latitude. Flatland Preacher sprayed venom at me for the better part of a day, earlier this week, and YOU DIDN’T UTTER A PEEP. If you don’t like what I have to say, IGNORE ME.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Evermyrtle»»»TURN THEM OFF TO GOD? THEY WILL NEVER BE TURNED ON, TO GOD.
          GOOD NEWS, GAETHEISTS, PAGANS, SATAN-APPEASERS, FALSE-TEACHERS & STANKY-HIPPIES—GOD HATES YOU, AND, SO DO I!»»»»» http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=100
           Does God Hate Some People? by Scott Price»»»»»»»»     Most people have fallen for the big lie that God loves everybody in the world without exception. You must think I’m crazy at this point if you have been taught that He loves everybody. Before you think that, listen to what God says in His word about His love and forget what every false teacher ever told you.——-     In Psalm 5:5 it says: “The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity”. Notice it did NOT say He hated only the sin and not the sinner, like most preachers would have us believe.”»»»»»    The first step is to realize God did not have to love everybody because He is not obligated to.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          In Psalm 5:5 it says: “The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity”. Notice it did NOT say He hated only the sin and not the sinner, like most preachers would have us believe.”»»»»»    The first step is to realize God did not have to love everybody because He is not obligated to.
          http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=100

        • CelticDenise

          God BLESS you .You are right. God does not love every-one. God has standards, and God plays favorites. Evermyrtle is a childish, emotional woman. .

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise GOD is far more than fair. We are bitter by what life throws at us and blame GOD wit everything that goes wrong. HE never promised to make our lives easy we will be judged by the way we handle the problems that we face in life. Spite, malice, ridicule or sarcasm  do not register for us with GOD, Except  in a negative way. If you are in America you will go when she goes, whether peaceful or violently. I do not think it will be peaceful.If you are somewhere when America goes you will not be safe anywhere. Foe Promises we will go at once just after JESUS CHRIST REMOVES HIS PEOPLE FRO THE EARTH, which can be found in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

        • JoanNeel

          @lightvdark  I don’t know what Bible you are using, but “For God so loved the world (all people)” that he gave His only Son to die and rise again so that we could be reconciled with the Father and forgiven for our sins, because Jesus took our sins upon Himself on the Cross because we are born with a sinful nature, and will always sin in some way.  Whether in thought,Word or Deed. But, if we confess our sins, God who is merciful and just, will forgive our sins.  God loves all people, even the heathens, but they still must accept Jesus Christ as their Savior to be reconciled to the Father and enter Heaven.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark Okay, Joan…..Your turn!

        • JC1929

          OOPS! THis one slid down the list by several letters. Think it ‘s time for nourishment. And coffee!

      • JacquelineLynn

        @JoanNeel  @lightvdark
         How long we will remain a Republic? How long will we have our “rights”? Rights that came to us through GOD, GOD who is now being ignored, defyed and disowned?
        How long before all Christians are just more “bumps in the road”?

        • Evermyrtle

          @JacquelineLynn  @JoanNeel  @lightvdark Bumps in the road?, I will honor my bump and I will remain a bump for JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER. If time lasts we will be in bondage. I do not believe time will be very much longer because HE said the He would come earlier than first planed ” because the world would destroy itself if HE doesn’t do that.” Right now we have a nation threatening to blow America and Israel off of the map.

        • CelticDenise

          @JacquelineLynn  @JoanNeel  @lightvdark The USA is long gone. Wake up.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle  @JacquelineLynn  @JoanNeel  @lightvdark Iran can’t touch the USA. And Israel? They’d be doing the world a HUGE favor.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @Evermyrtle  @JacquelineLynn  @JoanNeel  @lightvdark
          I am coping this scripture so that those who hate GOD will see what will occur, so that we will know, when we are looking forward at the end of life for rewards from GOD or from HIS enemy, Satan. These are absolutely true, it is the WORD OF GOD, WE CAN DEPEND ON IT!!.
           
          Matthew 25:31-34, 41
          31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS GLORY and the HOLY ANGELS with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS GLORY.
          32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: an He shall separate them one from another,as a shepherd divides his sheep (HIS people) form the goats: (the lost)
          33. And HE shall the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
          34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, you blessed of my  FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundations of the world. (That place is there waiting on HIS people)
           
          41. Then shall HE say also unto them on the left hand; Depart from me, you cursed, int everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels.

        • Evermyrtle

          I believe you are right Celtic, when this occurs, ans I think it will, GOD will put HIS  plan into action to remove this world from existence. After which a new heave, a new earth and a new Jerusalem will be coming down Isaiah 65:14-25; 66:22;Rev 21:1-5
           
          To me and to all Christians this will be a wonderful time.
           
          .

        • JC1929

          @CelticDenise @JacquelineLynn @JoanNeel @lightvdark Oh my, I gotta go look for my countr! But Ia m still sitting in it! How can that be. Usa gone??????

      • Evermyrtle

        @JoanNeel  @lightvdark You are absolutely correct and don’t allow any heathen stop you from telling the truth.
         
        Philippians 2:3-12
         
         3. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
         4.Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
         5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS:
         6. Who, being in the form of GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD:
         7. But made himself of not reputation, and took upon HIM the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
        8. And being found in fashion as a man, HE humbled HIMSELF, and became obedient unto death,  even the death of the cross.
         9. Wherefore GOD also hath highly exalted HIM, and given HIM a name which is above every name
        10. That at the name of JESUS every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
        11. And that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST is lord to the glory of god the father.

  • pete08

    The church is full of sheep and goats….The goats will embrace the inter faith cross over thinking this will help solve many problems.   The church must be ever vigilent and guard it self from this ongoing deception.  Muslims are allowed to lie and deceive non muslim belivers, as stated in the koran.  Islam, the word means ….SUBMIT…Wake up and see the truth…we are not fighting a war but they are.  Islam is nothing more than a military force using regelion as a disguise in a  campaign  toward world domination.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I don’t know a soul that calls him/herself a Christian who can even THINK, OF HATING ANYTHING OR ANYBODY. And, this will be our END. I hate ISLAM, ATHEISM, COMMUNISTS AND JIHADISTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL.
    ———–
    Proverbs 29:27
    THE RIGHTEOUS DESPISE THE UNJUST; the wicked despise the godly.
    English Standard Version
     (©2001)

    • JoanNeel

      @lightvdark   God is their Judge, not us.  We hate what they do and how they act, but we should pray that they will become enlightened and change … if not, that’s up to God.  But, if attacked, we have every right to Kill those who are attacking us, whether they are terrorists, or our citizens.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    If it’s EVIL, SQUISHEY AMERIKANS ARE ALL FOR IT—ISLAM IS EVIL, LIBERALISM IS EVIL. Of COURSE, THE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS ARE GETTING THEIR BUILDING. WE HATE OURSELVES.—- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/nyregion/mosque-being-built-in-brooklyn-continues-to-face-opposition.html?pagewanted=all
    “Yes, they are smiling, but you know what’s behind their smiles?” said Leonid Krupnik, 62, one of the two protesters late last month. Like many of the mosque’s opponents, he has strong memories of anti-Semitism as a Jew from the former Soviet Union. “Hatred. They want to create a caliphate. They want to push people out of this neighborhood.”

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I’m going to bed after this. With eyes WIDE-OPEN, we have not once, but TWICE, elected a sociopathic-nihilistic-man-child, as leader of the Free-World, who HATES AMERICA AND AMERICANS. We have turned our backs on God. And, He has returned the favor. This,** from American Spectator, 3 years ago.ZZZZzzzz
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    ** Three weeks after America’s first black president was sworn in, the nation’s first black Attorney-General who was hand-picked by Obama, called America “a nation of cowards” for some perceived race relations shortfall. The understood meaning of Eric Holder’s comments is that white people are still racists. However, the reality is the people most preoccupied with fomenting the racial divide are those who populate the ranks of the Obama Administration.

    • Jo

      And Black people are the worst racists in the world.  Jo

      • JC1929

        Spoken like a real Chrisitian!!! Yup!

        • JC1929

          I was being facetious! Egad that is terrible to say, JOY You might be tarred and feathered.
          I’m beginning to have fun in here now. LOL

      • JoanNeel

        Not all black people are racist, there are many people of all colors an races who have Jesus Christ in their hearts, and with Christ, they can see and hear the evil that comes out of the mouths of the liberals.  Just like some people hate Jewish people and judge some they know who are bad in their eyes, people of all colors and nationalities are good and bad.  We are not to judge anyone, or we will be judged in the same way by God …. “Judge Not, Lest You Will Be Judged Accordingly.”  We can be seen to be good or evil by our actions:  the kindness of our hearts and our good deeds to others.  Christianity produces good works, though it’s our faith in Christ that saves us, not our good works.

  • futurelife

    The church use to be only for Jesus Christ and the One God YAHVAH but not anymore.  Today, with gays becoming the leaders of the church to allowing to share another belief which has open the door to pushing God out of our lives.  I wouldn’t live in CA for anything, couldn’t even pay me to move there.  Bunch a sick people out that way, voted themselves higher taxes and etc.  Now this.  UGH

    • Evermyrtle

      @futurelife There are many, many, anti-GOD, anti-Americans in California. but there are many good people there also. It is one of the states that want out of the union.

    • JC1929

      Spoken like a REAL Christian!!!

  • SharonMillhouseAnderson

    God is weeping and the angels with him over the loss of the United States.  Our country used to stand for God and freedom.  Now it stands for nothing but evil.  God will not let us stand, just like Rome we are being destroyed by greed….lust….murder….and self-deceit…..If christians do not stand and fight…we are the salt of the earth….we need to do as God bids not man….and if we would read our history…you would know that Islam moves in…like a camel with its nose in the door…till it takes over…then you have no freedom….war on women….ISLAM….women have no rights…women have no life…women are slaves…keep on with your blinders on….

    • JoanNeel

      @SharonMillhouseAnderson  Christians are praying for God’s forgiveness for the sins of our nation and it’s people, and for Him to keep His hand on his true believers through these trying times.  But, the scriptures tell us that the nations who stand with Israel will be blessed, those that don’t will have God remove his blessing from their land.  That’s why it grieves me when people show hatred for the Jewish people – God will not continue to bless our land if we turn against Israel.  God doesn’t change – He is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.  People try to convince others that homosexuality and abortion are okay because we live in a “New” age … No, God doesn’t change, people try to, to convince themselves their sins are okay.

  • oldone

    Several times in the last some years, I have regretted that I parted from my Episcopalian membership, that was life-long, because things transpired that would have given me a REALLY good reason for my resignation.  First time was the ordination of a homosexual bishop.  That would give almost any decent Christian an reason to flee.  Now, you tell me that Muslims are welcomed into  Christ’s home? I can’t think of a better reason, in these times, to lapse my membership in a church whose leaders will obviously do anything to get bodies into their sanctuary. They defile the very meaning of the sacristy.

    • JC1929

      Christ’s HOME? ARE YOU SERIOUS! He lives in our hearts if we have invited Him! Oh, Yuck..and the Holy Spirit is His representative, so to speak. Guide, comforter, and many more. Wake up!

      • JoanNeel

        @JC1929  You can deny and refuse to accept the fact that God is your creator and Jesus Christ died for all, if they believe and accept his FREE gift, but you have a free-will that He gave you and you can reject Him …. but, on Judgement day you will appear before your Creator, and have to answer directly to Him, whether you believe or not.

        • Evermyrtle

          @JoanNeel  @JC1929 If you do not accept HIM before the judgment day, it will be too late then.

        • JC1929

          @JoanNee I am saved, thank you. I think the replies in here aea all screwed up so they dont go with the correct emails.

    • JoanNeel

      @oldone  If you haven’t yet, visit different Christian churches until you find one that you feel you will be spiritually fed.  If the Pastor teaches the Apostle’s Creed: Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary, is the true Son of God, was crucified for our sins, died and was buried, arose on the Third day, ascended to Heaven, and sits on the right hand of God, will come again to judge the living and the dead, I believe in the Holy Spirit, the one true God, the forgiveness of sins and the life everlasting.  You will know you have a church that teaches the truth of the Bible and Jesus’ teachings.  Attending church and Bible Study will make such a difference in your faith, and the ability to face all the filth and hatred that we Christians are and will face under this government.  God Bless you in your search.

  • norm4839

    Are they NUTS ??? I guess it fits right in with Obama’s goals.

  • ArthurMackey

    I wonder  how when the Diocese for that area becomes aware, will react to allowing a non christian group to use it’s facilities.  That is against all rules that have an effect on how Episcopal Church is run and what the Bishop for the diocese will say ?

    • leesjokers

      @ArthurMackey Arthur……Remember,  “you can’t offend the muslims.”   thats the latest in America….hahaha   BURN ‘EM ALL & LET GOD SOUGHT THEM OUT.!!!!!   I’M SO SICK OF EVERYONE (MUSLIMS) BEING OFFENDED…GET OUT IF YOU DON’T LOVE AMERICA…..

      • JoanNeel

        @leesjokers  @ArthurMackey  I agree.  We used to deport people who wanted to trample on our Constitution, but under this President, he has brought them into the White House and every branch of government.  He brought them in as Czars, so they don’t answer to anyone.  He’s sly and deceitful, and has said he will stand with the muslims, so he is doing it right now.  Unless the people start writing or emailing their elected officials and demanding we stop sending money to the Islamic countries, he will only get bolder.  Sharia law will be next, because Obama said years ago, as a Senator, he wants to change our Constitution.  He means destroy it and our Freedoms.  The only time he talks about being Christian or quotes ( or mis-quotes) the Bible, is when he running for office, otherwise he makes fun of Christians and demands there be no crosses or religious symbols of any kind in an area where he will be appearing.  Never a “(Christ)mas” tree, only a holiday tree and this year, since he’s won re-election, he has boldly put a Muslim tree in OUR White House.

        • Evermyrtle

          @JoanNeel  @leesjokers  @ArthurMackey Something is supposed to be done Dec. 17. I hope someone will be caught “out of what is right!” My expectations are faint but I will talk to GOD about it, but we may have gone too far already for HIM to answer.

      • JC1929

        @leesjokers @ArthurMackey WOW THAT ATTITUDE SCARES ME. I AM GLAD HEAVEN IS IN MY NEAR FUTURE.

    • JC1929

      Whose rules? One from Jesus?

  • Sgt York

    The Magic Word”California” the are the first Muslim state in Our Beloved America. When they ask or demand a handout it should a resounding  “NO” ask a Muslim besides O’Vomit then let us know how you fared out

  • sbr823

    This is another way to marginalize  christian churches, we are becoming a third world nation, socialism is on the rise . . . how long will it be before a civil war between those that produce versus those that take?

  • June Angstadt

    It is beyond my ken how any Judeo-Christian religion can open their churches to these unwashed, non-believers for any reason.   Catholic colleges abound with Islamic students  and are being ‘pushed’ around but I’m sure schools are required, by law, to take one and all. 
    Islamists do nothing unless there is something in it for them; for this Church to extend the Olive branch and take the  ‘we’re good guys’ attitude shows their absolute ignorance of Islam – eventually a mosque will be built on the site of that Episcopal church. 
    Amazing how the church ministers can overlook the daily murder of thousands of Christians by Islamists and buy the crap of reaching over religious lines.
    Politicians and Men of God Giv into Islam will be the headline.  They all make me sick…….not a backbone among them.

    • CelticDenise

      @June Angstadt Communist operative sent Communists and homosexuals into the seminaries, in order to destroy from within. There’s testimony on this subject in the McCarthy hearing records. Poor old Joe was right, all along.

      • Evermyrtle

        @CelticDenise  @June Angstadt I respect Joe McCarthy greatly. He tried to tell us but we ridiculed him until ti was a sham and he was right, all along, and pretty much alone, and he stood on the truth, he did not back down.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle  @June Angstadt Well Evermyrtle – I’m glad you are up to speed on McCarthy.  That’s a good thing. He’s been demonized and slandered for decades, though.

      • JC1929

        @CelticDenise @June Angstadt POOR OLD POISON JOE. HOW WELL i REMEMBER THAT SO AND SO.

  • Sweet Lady Mary

    As a former Episcoplian, I can tell you that the church has been taken over by the liberals.  You think this is bad, in St. John the Divine in N.Y., they had the nerve to put a female Christus on display on the alter.  So instead of depicting Jesus on the cross, they had a female figure representing Jesus.  They also had many programs that were not Christian in nature.  The liberals are taking over many of the mainline churches and turning them into social clubs without a Christ centered foundation.

    • JC1929

      True! Digusting! And sadly the so cdlled “chiristians’ do not stand for Christ, but go right along. Our church rejected, rightfully, UCC and WCC for so long but finally joined WCC in order to rescue the :sheep, the ones who earlier followed the wolves. It is now recognized by its “work.” Bible Fellowship, I believe it is. It was started by our pastor and another born again believer in MA. Byfield Paarish.

      • Rex1949

        @JC1929 Am not sure here what you mean exactually in some statements you mean. But let me clarify this that if you are a reborn Christain.. They do support God and abide by Gods commandments and his covenant. By having some other cults come into your church and not saved breaks Gods commandments. I hope this clarifys what I have stated here. .

        • JC1929

          @Rex1949 I am a “born again Christian” and I don’t believe Jesus wanted the front door of the so called “Church” locked. WE, THe BELEVERS ARE THE REAL CHURCH! How will they hear if they are locked out? The building is merely a building, nothing more. No statues and other idols welcome, but human beings are.

      • JoanNeel

        @JC1929  That is the reason we had the split in our Seminary back in the 70’s, when the liberals broke away and started Seminex, and the Conservatives stayed with Concordia.  The Lutheran Church ELCA, and their groups have accepted homosexuality and abortion – but the Missouri Synod will never stray from God’s scriptures that it’s wrong.

        • JC1929

          @JoanNeel Oh, wake up and smell the roses! It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Follow what Christ has to say. Only His Word.
          HEY! WE ARE ALL SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE. GRACE ALONE!

  • drbhelthi

    The moslem, Maher Hathout, made one correct statement:  “- – the US government has purposely lied about the identities of the 9/11 terrorists.”  In her FBI-verified volume, “Extreme Prejudice,” former CIA operative Susan Lindauer provided the identity of the terrorists behind the 9-11 incident.  And, thousands of previous incidents around the earth, since 1950.
     
    The NAZI plan was revealed by Dr. Werner von Braun, to Dr. Carol Rosin, before his death.  Doctor Rosin reveals the NAZI plan in her videos.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Nc-gG7vIY
     
    As the indigenous of North America taught, everyone can be trusted.  Once it is discerned what they can be trusted for.  There is no question about what the WWII NAZI-types can be trusted for.  Nor, comrade Obama and his following.  Comparatively speaking, communism has some favorable points.  However, communism is never attained.  All dictatorships never proceed beyond dictatorship, which requires murdering dissidents.  Which is where the string-pullers of Obama, Obama, and his following are fixated.  This can be trusted.

    • CelticDenise

      Nazis? HAHAHAHA!!! Communism (Talmudic enslavement)  is what Hitler was fighting against. Israel and their operatives inthe JooSA “government” committed the attack on the WTC. Nazis? Hahaha? Do you even believe that kosher kooleaid you are pushing?

      • Evermyrtle

        @CelticDenise From the things you say in your posts, I believe you are drowning in your own koolade

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @CelticDenise AGREED!

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @CelticDenise AGREED!

      • JoanNeel

        @CelticDenise You are the one who has drunk the Koolaid, there are pictures of the death camps, and there are many pictures our men who went into Europe brought back home of the horror they saw when they arrived at the death camps.  Don’t try to convince those of us, who lived through those terrible times, that Hitler was a “Good guy”.. Don’t try to tell us, the families of those who experienced Hitler’s experiments on living people in his hospitals.  Our servicemen saw the evidence and told us the truth about that “Mad Man”.  He didn’t only murder Jewish people, anyone who was blind, crippled, retarded or didn’t measure up to his idea of what he wanted in his Empire, were murdered, even if they were German.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @JoanNeel @CelticDenise / Ahmadinejad admires Hitler. That Should tell us what we are up against in the 21st century. Thise who said this can never happen again were kidding themselves. We are looking at a potential repeat!

        • CelticDenise

          @JoanNeel You’re the one drinking the kosher Koolaide, Joanie. You’ve bene subjected to Communist (Jewish) agitprop your entire llife, and you don’t even know it. I understand. I was once as deluded as you are now. FYI – Hitler never murdered any-one. Why don”t you research what happened in Russia? Why are you so afraid of learning factual reality?

        • CelticDenise

          @Kissitgoodbye  @JoanNeel  @CelticDenise  I admire any-one who stand up for his or her own people, and stands up againt the Talmudic onslaught. I began detailing these issues when YOU asked, :What happened to my country?” I TOLD you – but yo urefuse to even investigate one thing I’ve written. Everything I’ve written is 110% verifiable. You are locjed into the lies, though. You are right about “it happening again” – once deluded, “I’ll defend them to the death” suicidal White Christians are finally finished off – the rest of the world, especially the Arab world, is well aware of the machinations of the Tribe, and the Expulsion will be Global this time, Jews have ben kicked out of every place they’ve ever gone, always for the same subset of reasons. Humans war with each other – but no other ethny has that track record. The reason is because of the Talmudic beleif system. It’s because of what they DO to every-one else. You don’t know a word of their own doctrinal systems, do you? I’m into history, and a READ source material. I began this line of inquiry after 9/11/01, Most of the sources I use are from Jews themselves. Do you EVER read Israeli newspapers, or the words of their rabbis? No. It’s evident you do not. You only know the agitprop they put out to snooker the Goy. Good luck with that.

    • CelticDenise

      PS – Obama was installed in office by Jews. The shekels behind him are strictly kosher. Want the names of his Bundlers? Or do you attend synagogue with ‘em? Your Tribe should have installed Romney. He’d have been a very obedient boychick.

  • http://yahoo.com/ Lou J Apa

    Bad idea…and clearly a “sacrilege sin” to allow EVIL to occupy a HOLY place, presuming that the Episcopal Church has “sanctified worship places” in their churches. The presence of Islamofacist IN A SACRIED SPACE DEFILES THAT PLACE AND NEED BE exorcized OF THE evil ONCE THE CONFERENCE OS OVER!
    pray FOR THIS SITUATION!
    Lja/JMJ

  • NunnyahBiz

    They’re all going to be in one place at one time…………….There are plans to be made!

  • Byrrni

    Perhaps God will take note and send California “THE BIG ONE” that they have been predicting for years. If California breaks off and goes floating away, maybe they can be declared a separate country and we will be rid of their obnoxious, un-Godly ways. We would see how long they could sustain themselves with their unnatural outlook on what is “fair” and “acceptable”.

    • JC1929

      @Byrrni I sure hope I see my cousin and her family before your hopes become reality. She really is a dear old gal. She isn’t a muslim, thank God for that one, but she hasn’t met Jesus yet either. But one daughter has! Will that help? Sure glad I got out of CA before your wish is activated. But I am only two statas away now. Better go back east quickly.

  • mudguy

    Any church that approves of gay and lesbian marriage will approve of anything. So this should not shock anyone. It shouldn’t  not surprise anyone if they would let the devil him self have a conference in their church.

  • John The Baptist

    Christians either Read and Believe the Bible  and STAND FIRM on their Convictions or they falter and sway to anything that the Communist regime of Obama and the liberals push and shove down their Throats!

  • gregliebigsr

    A FALSE GOD PROBLEM !
       HELLO AMERICA, it is me, the lover of your soul;
    the servant of the most High GOD; a fellow American.
    Yesterday evening 8/9/11, Our Heavenly Father told me
    He had some things to say to us Americans.
       He told me America is sick! She is dying! The cancer that is in her is killing her! Without the help of a Sovereign, Holy, Righteous, Just and Loving GOD we would come to a horrible end! He wants to Divinely intervene and restore us.
    He wants to heal this once great nation.
                   HE wants to be OUR GOD again
    .
              Then Father gave me this to present to all of America.
        This is the cancer that is eating away at America from the inside.
     
              When our nation was first founded, one of the foundational corner stones was the freedom of religion! At the earliest inception of the constitutional building blocks, our Founding Fathers
    never dreamed of or had any inclination as to what these religious freedoms would eventually bring into this, One Nation Under God.
            At the time they had only One God in mind: The God of all creation; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the God who sent His Son JESUS(Yeshua) to take away the sin of the whole world.
                  They had a love and a zeal for their GOD!
        They did not want to have dictated to them as to how, when and where they could worship their One True God. They knew His commandment: to worship Him alone and Him only. They wanted the liberty to worship Him as His Holy Spirit directed them in their various fellowships.
         Today it would be Anglicans, Baptists, Catholics, Church of Christ, Evangelicals, First Assemblies, Church of God, Four Square, Lutheran, Methodists, Pentecostals, Nazarene, or any body of believers that would lift up the name of God(Yahweh’s) Son JESUS(Yeshua) and His saving Grace.
     
    They did not want a king or a government telling them how to pursue the one true God or how to worship Him!
             So, they sought refuge in this new land, America.
        Their sole purpose was to follow the leading that God had put in their hearts by His Holy Spirit.
       Never, ever, in their wildest dreams or in their collective imaginations could they have foreseen what ungodly spirit would stealthily impose itself into the lives of blind unwitting recipients.
        That ungodly spirit is from the bowels of hell itself! That spirit was sent to infiltrate and destroy the very fabric of a God fearing Nation! That spirit was sent from satan himself to destroy each and every moral fiber of this Nation and Her peoples!
          That spirit is a demonic agent of satan, a familiar religious spirit.
     
     
    The enemy of GOD and All of Humanity!
    Now that religious spirit has disguised himself to look good, it entices humans to look at him. It makes false claims and empty promises he cannot or intend to keep. It appeals to the base human instincts and emotions. This spirit puts division into the human race(accept some, reject others). It forces people to follow him blindly in any direction he chooses for them. It causes its followers to ostracize anyone who refuses to follow it. Any human that will not follow it, he wants out of the way. He will even have its followers kill and murder any one who opposes him. This spirit does not want to be exposed to humanity! That is why he has put on religious garb making himself to be a god, wanting to be worshipped, like Our God and Father the Real GOD!
         He does not care what religious disguise he puts on and uses.
    It may be a big, fat, rounded, pot-bellied god sitting on his haunches. It may even disguise himself as an old cow wondering around the country side or any number of hundreds of other gods of various descriptions. He even makes some of his followers fall down five or six times a day, face a certain direction and do some ritualistic chants!
        It is also, the god of self; self will; self desire, self promotion,
    self righteousness, self and more self.
     
            This ungodly spirit does not want you, the apple of God’s eye, to know the truth: he hates God Almighty and it also hates you!
         That is why he will use any means to get you to look away from Our Heavenly Father, GOD.
         Our Founding Fathers never ever intended for any American to follow or worship any false gods or spirits.
        They never, ever intended for any political leaders(much less a president) of this nation, to give in and pray to a false god and to openly accept a false god into these United States of America.
       Their God was the Great I Am, The Alpha and Omega, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
       Their God was the only God(in Jesus) who came down from heaven to die on a cross to redeem mankind and pardon our sins.
       Their God was and is the ONLY GOD to come up out of a tomb; resurrected, alive and well; seated on the right hand of The Father.
               That was and is still the GOD of America.
         Our GOD, our HEAVENLY FATHER will receive any and all of His precious humans that want to know Him. Anyone can just simply ask Jesus(Yeshua) to wash away their sins. It is a
    matter of believing in faith what He did for you. The BLOOD of Yeshua will wash you and you will be forgiven of ANY SIN, EVEN THE SIN OF IDOLATRY!!  Idolatry is the worship of a false god.
        So you see my fellow Americans, the cancer that is eating away at this once great Nation, is the worship of any idols and false gods(familiar spirits).
        The worship of ANY IDOL or FALSE god is what will bring any peoples and nations to an end!!
       The worship of any idols or false gods will bring the reproach and the judgment of God on any people and on any nation.
       Therefore, He is not obligated to provide for them or to protect them from their enemies.
                WHO IS YOUR GOD AMERICA?
     
     
    With love in Christ Jesus,
     
     
    The Lord’s Servant

    • nohate

      @gregliebigsr In actuality our founding fathers created a nation the protected the rights of all religions to be free of persecution such as you describe. Christ did not persecute anyone who chose to worship otherwise. There is irony in that the god of the Muslims, Allah, is the father of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Are you sure you want to piss off the God of Abraham with your vitriolic rhetoric? I heard that he smites his naysayers with a vengeance. You may want to consider calling him a false god since he also goes by Yaweh and Jehovah. Why do you reject your own god?

      • Patrick Henry

        @nohate  @gregliebigsr “Nohate” – your foolish acceptance of Islam as co-equal to the revelation of Jesus Christ is stunning. Muslims do not worship the same God as those who follow Christ. Study the 99 names of Allah from the Koran and you’ll see that several are NOT descriptive of the God of the Bible. I’ll give you three: Al-Mumeet – The source of death; Al Muntaqem – God will come after you out of vengeance, not necessarily justice; Al Macker – the Schemer; God can change his mind or scheme against you. Time to start studying the actual doctrine of Islam (Koran, Sira, Hadith) and understand the true nature of what Islam is: a supremacist socio-political ideology masquerading as a religion. Your liberalism has blinded you with a thick veil of deception. Time to break free from that deception. By the way, Muslims are the first victim of Islam and they must be liberated with the truth of the Gospel. Sadly, your mindset = tolerating the intolerable and allowing Islam to continue destroying people’s lives – both Muslim and non-Muslim, all around the world. Educate yourself and stop serving Islam as a Dhimmi…www.politicalislam.com

      • JoanNeel

        @nohate  @gregliebigsr  Allah is NOT the One true God (the Great I Am) the Creator of all things – this is FALSE.  A lie from the Islamic followers to cause confusion and try to convert Christians and non-believers to the Islamic faith, that was actually made up by a sadistic, murderous warrior who slaughtered innocent men, women and children and raped every woman he could.  He wrote the crazy laws they abide by, and one of the main tenants is to keep the people ignorant so they can’t think for themselves, and treat them like slaves.  Anyone with the ability to think would know you aren’t going to the happy hunting ground and be rewarded with 72 virgins if you kill enough non-believers, or if you die as a suicide bomber.

      • Evermyrtle

        @nohate  @gregliebigsr This comment is nothing less the complete blasphemy, and the most insane statement that I have ever read . Allah did not exist until around 0600 and invented by Mohammed 570-632.  JESUS CHRIST WAS WITH HIS FATHER WHEN HE CREATED THE WORLD.

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        My friend, let enlighten to the TRUTH, Allah is not in the HOLY BIBLE, Allah is not the LIVING GOD of the Christians. There are many gods; however, they is only ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, and He is the CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. Allah is the Arabic god.
         
        Jehovah is the one that you and I will STAND before when the time comes, and you can believe what you want to believe; and you think that you know the HOLY BIBLE, but without Yeshua as Savior, it will be all over you or all those that think like you.
         
        Please, before you reject Yeshua, turn to Him and make Him your Lord, for He said that if you denied Me before men; I will denied you before the angels in heaven,  Amen!
         
         
        1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
         
        Mr. Evans

  • ThePeopleofUSA

    @USMAgrandmother Overcome Evil with good, bless those who curse you, judge nothing before it’s time, does this ring any bells?

    • USMAgrandmother

      @ThePeopleofUSA If UR insinuating that I don’t know my Bible, guess again! I know Apostasy when I see it…do you?

      • ThePeopleofUSA

        @USMAgrandmother Apostasy:
        a total desertion of or departure from 1’s religion,principles,party,cause, etc.I mentioned chritian principles

      • ThePeopleofUSA

        @USMAgrandmother Apostasy:a total desertion of or departure from1’s religion,principles,party,cause, etc.I mentioned christian principles

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Atheists and your ENABLERS—HAPPY-FACED-CHRISTIANS—
    The leading cause of ALL EMOTIONAL PATHOLOGY{EVIL}, IS GODLESSNESS—————————————————- http://christianbookshelf.org/maclaren/expositions_of_holy_scripture_g/wisdoms_call.htm
     NOTHING CAN BE MORE STUPID THAN GODLESSNESS{emphasis}, however cultured. The word (STUPID) literally means coarse or thick, AND MAY SUGGEST THE IDEA OF STOLID IN-SENSIBILITY AS THE LAST STAGE IN THE DOWNWARD PROGRESS¿!¡”

  • James Maxwell

    They are proably using that as an excus to figure out where to place the minaretts after they take over the nation
    and convert those churches the like to mosque.   The do not cross interfaith line under any circumstnces excet
    when they think it will benefit their goal for total domination of the world.

    • http://yahoo.com/ Lou J Apa

      @James Maxwell 
       
      Mr. James……You are so correct…they will start with the white house and them five on the pentagon….and the Washington obelisk will be the tallest…..Oh boy!!!!!!!
      lja/JMJ

  • Jo

    In California – Californication state – nothing they do surprises me.  I am Episcopal/Anglican, and our Bishop would never allow this in Florida!
    It'[s sickening.
    Jo Hagen

    • Evermyrtle

      I am a CHRISTIAN and do not attach anything else to my CHRISTIAN title.

    • JC1929

      But homosexual bishops are okay?

    • JC1929

      Jo,
      But homosexual bishops are just fine?

      • JoanNeel

        @JC1929   NO, absolutely not.  The Lutheran church (Missouri Synod) sticks strictly to scripture and the one true faith.  If we have someone who admits to being in a homosexual relationship, they are counseled to ask forgiveness for their sin, change their lifestyle, and they will be accepted into our church, but they must change that lifestyle.  We absolutely reject having Pastors who are homosexual, because it’s abhorrent to God, as stated plainly in the scriptures.  A church that allows what is clearly wrong in God’s eyes is not a Christian church.  God says:  “You are either for me, or against me.”  There is NO straddling the fence with God.

        • JC1929

          @JoanNeel Holier than though! OH MY HEAVENS! “THE one true faith,” Wow! I In my native state of NH is a homo bishop, name of “Gene” something. Better check your statistics.

      • JC1929

        Evermyrtle that homo answer had not connecgtion to your reply about “Christian title”

    • JC1929

      @Jo How could one get saved if that guy won’t let him into HIS church. Will he meet the poor sinner in the front yard? But that is HIS properfty too! Wow, what a dilemma! Will that snow white bishop even speak to an unsaved person?

  • nohate

    That is a wonderful example of coexistence! Isn’t it grand that 2 groups that worship the same deity under different names can work interdependently to advance the spiritual consciousness of humanity! Praise the good lord for bringing His faiths together like this! Hooray for tolerance and love: the true message of Christ and Mohammed

    • Ithamar

      @nohate to place Mohammah on the level of Jesus Christ is vile blasphemy. Christ is the only Lord and Savior of fallen man, Christianity is the only true religion and all other pretenders as the evil Islamic religion are false, idolatrous systems which direct their followers to hell. Just what is wonderful about such ungodliness?

      • Rex1949

        @Ithamar I agree with you in your statements. And there is nothing great about ungodliness.

    • Evermyrtle

      @nohate One of these groups worship the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND RAISED 3 DAYS LATER AND SOON WENT INTO HEAVEN TO REIGN FOREVER WITH OUR FATHER. HE WILL RETURN SOON TO RECEIVE HIS FAITHFUL ONES AND TAKE US TO HEAVEN, ALSO.  The other god was produced by man and his son did not die on a cross nor did he raise from the grave. The same GOD? You are wrong, no such thing. It is an abomination and blasphemy to try to raise a imaginary figure to match our TRINITY, to try to connect the two, but this is the new America determined to to the impossible , AND AMERICA WILL PAY FOR THIS MONSTROSITY!!!!!!!

    • JoanNeel

      @nohate   Obama wears a ring (as his wedding ring, but he has had it since college days) that reads in Arabic “There’s one god, Allah” …. they do not worship the One True God, the creator of Heaven and Earth, all things invisible (angels) and visible.  The worship a false god, but the try to fool Christians and agnostics into thinking we all worship one God, but with different names.  FALSE!  God says he is a jealous God, and no one comes to the Father, except through Jesus Christ, his only Son.

  • benito44

    @nohate  You have a different history book for sure.  You may easily download the “true message” of Mohammed along with copy of the Qur’an and understand Taqiyyah and Shariah law.  Worshippers of Islam do NOT worship the “same deity” as the Episcopaleans. If you cheer for tolerance and love, you need to see what is happening at the hand of islamists in Europe, Scandinavia, UK, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Tunisia — and even in Dearborn, Michigan where tolerance and love from islamists to peaceful Christians came in the form of bottle and rock throwing.  Tolerance and love from islamists just recently murdered children for their “sins” against islam.  Tolerance and love murdered 4 Americans at a consular missiion in Benghazi, Libya.  The wonderful tolerance and love of an islamist father showed in the form of the low-life running over his daughter for “honor killing” because she became too westernized in his mind.  That was here in Arizona.  We arrested him, tried him and put his sorry butt in prison.
    If I sound negative on this issue, it is because I too, share your desire to “advance the spiritual consciousness of humanity” — but not at the expense of my faith, nor the lives of non-muslims throughout the world.  What do you think Jesus would say to a “prophet” who condoned pedophilia, mutilation and murder?  You are being duped and deceived if you think followers of Mohammed are anywhere close to worshipping the same deity.  May God help you to research further and learn the truth.

  • Roeech

    Just the camel’s nose under the tent, isn’t it?  No way can a true Christian confuse Islam with Christianity.  They worship an evil man and a false god.  Get the true translation of the Koran to know the full story.  No one in Islam appreciates anyone who doesn’t buy into their warped thinking/actions/beliefs.  They are just fodder to be killed.  The current versions sold or handed our free of the Koran are the not the full nor true translations, just more propaganda for the ignorant who do not do due diligence but accept whatever.  Stupid is as stupid does and reads.  They want sharia here and they want to indoctrinate idiots who believe their story about being peaceful.  Ain’t true and never has been from the day Mohammedan started out as warrior, killer, murderer, pedophile, and then came sharia to enslave women and children.  Wake up and smell the coffee, because with muslim Obama, you will see more and more of this stuidity happening.  And now, even “honor” killings in America.  Yep, they are a great philosophy (not a religion, by the way)!

  • Rex1949

    I think it is wrong for that church to have Muslims in that church to worship to there false God. And plus that it
    is a defying Gods ways to let a Satan members use Gods church as there church. I am sure God will condemn them for that. And punish them.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Rex1949 They are welcoming the enemy of GOD AND JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY GHOST.

      • Rex1949

        @Evermyrtle @Rex1949 : Yes they are. And thanks for your comments.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Rex1949  @Evermyrtle  @Rex1949 And thank you for yours , too. We need to back each other  up as GOD’S people

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @Rex1949 Oh My Heavens! I’ll bet you are one older than even I! I cannot believe you made that narrow, catty statement. And belive me I AM OLD And thank you Jesus for allowing me, the rotten sinner into your wood, brick and mortar building, in correctly called “sacred” to save my poor lost soull

  • uscryan

    @james_stamulis your hatred is appalling. All Saints is following Christ’s example. Muslims are loving, faithful people. #episcopal

  • JC1929

    Wonder where Jesus would be in this matter? He loved sinners oif all beliefs, he showed them love, not hatred and He won many and we still do when we obey Him.
    I suggest you all read Joel Rosenberg’s small book titled “Inside The Revival.”
    In a very effective teaching one Sunday in my Evangelical and right-n church,  by a very well known pastor, we learned the church is just a building., Wood, much brick and mortar and it is not sacred. NOR is it the real church! We believers in Christ are The Church.
    If we met in your house, would that make it sacred! Or off limits to your Islamic neighbor?
    No, Rex, God will not concemn them for that, nor will he punish them for it. Wake up!

    • JC1929

      I beg your forgiveness foir my clumsy fingers missing the wrong keys. Is there no “edit” key?

      • Evermyrtle

        @JC1929 No, there is not “edit key” and we need one badly. I make all kind of boo boos and can’t correct them.

    • Rex1949

      @JC1929 You have the wrong concept there JC. I do not condemn the loss in this world. God says we must witness to them in order to show them Gods Love and live in his ways. Your trying to twist words around saying I hate them when I never said that. It says also that Gods house is for those who are lost and the saved to worship God. Not to use a church for there own belief of Satan. And if you came to my house to worship your Muslim Faith . Then you would not be welcomed. As I do not welcome Muslims and there ways. My house or home is a place of God. Not Satans devil house. If you like Muslims belief. what are you doing here in the USA in the first place huh??? Nobody cares about Muslims or your beliefs anyway. All the Muslims do is stir up problems for everyone anyway. As well as complain about the Americans.

      • JC1929

        Yeah, Rex, old boy, That sure is showing them God’s love! Wow! I guess you were born pure and didn’t neet it when you were a rotten sinner… guess what? You still are! We are only “sinners” saved bfy grace, old boy. Grieving the Holy Spirit with our cold hatred of those whoe may not have heard the Gospel yet. But, go ahead and wondery how come they haven’t!

        • JC1929

          Oh my aged fingers…..sorry for my typos.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Rex1949   This is what GOD says about Christians and Muslims worshiping together.
        2 Cor614-18
        14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellow ship hath righteousness with unrighteousness: and what communion hath light with darkness?
        15. And what concord hath CHRIST with Belial: or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
        16. And what agreement hath the temple of GOD with idols: for ye are the temple of the living GOD; as GOD hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their GOD, and they shall be my people.
        17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the LORD, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
        18. And will be a FATHER unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters saith the LORD ALMIGHTY.

    • StanleyParker

      @JC1929 Christ told us to keep devils at arms length and not to associate with them.

      • JC1929

        Damn, damn, He did not mean unsaved people,…..like you were and still may be for all you know. Don’t even bother trying to interpret God’s Word. Jesus called them “sinners” as you afre.

    • CelticDenise

      @JC1929 You are readng a “book” by on the Christ by some-one names Joel Rosenberg? HAHAHAHA!!!

      • JC1929

        And you go by his Jewish name to make that inane statement. Brilliant!

      • Evermyrtle

        @CelticDenise  @JC1929 You really think that is funny or are you being ony sarcastic. I must say, you are really good at sarcasm.

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @CelticDenise She deserves it!

    • Evermyrtle

      @JC1929 He loves the sinner he hates the sin.I would say that this fits with the scriptures says about being  yoked with unbelievers, they leave you in no doubt if it is right or wrong to mix GOD’S house  and peoplewith the infidels. This is the truth and man cannot change the truth.
       
      II Cor. 6:14-18
      14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers.: for what fellowship; hath righteousness  with unrighteousness? and what   communion hath light with darkness:  
      15. And what concord hath CHRIST with Belial: oar what part hath he that believe with an infidel?
      16. And what agreement hath the temple of GOD with idols: for ye are the temple of the living GOD; as GOD hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their GOD, and they shall be  my people
      17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the LORD, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive your,
      18. And will be a FATHER  unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

  • lifewire

    Remember what Jesus did when He cleared the temple of the money changers, etc? I do not think Jesus would condone another faith in a church that has already been dedicated to Christ. And to invite a religion that hunts down Christians, etc. for execution based upon the fact that they are infidels is beyond what Jesus would think it is the act of “dhimmitude” i.e. getting Christians to treat islam as a benevolent religion when the Quran commands for them to either enslave non-musilims (infidels, Kafir’s) or persecutes them and murders them on a mass scale. Just look at the Middle East. It’s a hot bed of violence. And this is not the first time. Ever since 611 AD Islam has been a violent ideology. What these churches are doing is making Sharia law more palatable because after all we wouldn’t want to discriminate against islam. Yet the Constitution cannot tolerate two legal system. One must give way to the other.

  • muzik37

    ANY so called  CHURCH that tries to be so inclusive that they allow Muslims to use their facilities should not be called Christian.  These people don’t want to work WITH your church,  they want to infiltrate it and abolish it.  Play with fire and you will get burned.  Every Muslim isn’t a terrorist, but they have their jobs to do and they will do their jobs or be ex-communicated or worse.

  • ptefft

    Oh my God, JC1929 are you just fooling with us.  Do you really think Jesus is going to pardon those of other faiths just because they believe what they believe.  How ridiculous and how un-blilical are those statements.  God of course is a god of Love but what alot of people don’t realize or don’t want to believe is that He is a just God and he will for sure punish the evil of sin by those who not profess faith in Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Savior.  Plus if your well known evangelical paster is preaching just love, he is dead wrong and he will pay for it.  God does not tolerate those who do not respect Him as God.  Muslims, mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and all the other cults will stand before a Holy God Jesus Christ and He will not pardon them, there is a hell and there is clearly taught in scripture that unbelievers will be sent there.  So where do you get there will be no punishment.  I think its you that needs to wake up.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft pftefft
      Do you not read correctly? Jesus is going to forgive those who BELIEVE in Him, are they not??? Then what are you ranting about? You dure doSuer  describe a vengeful Christ, not the One I know as does my excdellent, Godly pastor. I am sure glad you were not involved on my road to salvation. I’d still be heading for hell.
      Your head needs to be rescrewed on correctly.
      I read that  God loved us when we were yet sinners but you say He does not tolerate those who do not respect Him as God. So which is it? You forgot to put Catholics in your list.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft Well, my first reply to your incofrrect interpretation was lost when the page turned, but perhaps you can look at the whole site and see it. I BELIEVED….AND I WAS SAVED! Were you Kind of looks like a non Christian incorrectly interpreting God’s Word.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ptefft I know a lot about GOD and HIS WORK but there is a lot more that I do not know.  There is no man that comes even close to GOD AND HIS WORK.
       
      I Cor. 13:12 For now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face: mow I know in part; but then I shall I know as I am known.
       
      One thing I do know ridicule and sarcasm  is born from hate and hate is not allowed int he kingdom of GOD.Using HIS name in a foolish way will not gain you any points.

  • ptefft

    Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and that includes all of the muslims and other cults in this world.  It will be a great a joyous occasion when at last Jesus Christ is glorified to the ultimate status of the only true God and Savior.  Amen.

  • NavyJR

    @BonnieBoyles: That’s why it’s important to know the HISTORY!

  • NavyJR

    @JoanNeels: I hope that was directed toward CelticDenise, because I don’t hate the Jews; I’ve met some individuals I didn’t especially like, but that’s true of all ethnic groups.  As a group, the Jewish peoples have given this world much of value, and I respect that.

    • CelticDenise

      @NavyJR No they have not. They’ve produced a lot of hype, and misery – but they exist as parasites, and take credit for the work of others.

      • The Watchman

        @CelticDenise  @NavyJR
         Actually Denise they have!  There are parasites in this world, buy Jews are not among them.  Right now it is Islam that is the number one parasite of the world.  All one has to do is go to a Muslim neighborhood and see the new slums of the 21st century.  Yes Denise there are parasites, but it isn’t the Jews sucking off the system, it’s the Muslims.

        • Evermyrtle

          @The Watchman  @CelticDenise  @NavyJR You forgot to mention the millions in America who are doing all the can to take GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST OUT OF AMERICA. They have no idea how dangerous  a  game this is!!! .

        • CelticDenise

          @The Watchman  @NavyJR Wrong. Jews have plundered the USA. They get more money form th clueless tax payer than ANY-ONE. They TAKE CREDIT for the work done by others (usually the inventions of White men) – and verything else. Look at almost ANY iten you buy in a store. There’s a U or a K on it.. That merans rabbis approved the item for kosher “purity”. Food perhaps – but aluminum foil? LOOK for it. No rabbi is blessing anything – it;s a shakedown, and is signifies that the manufacturer or producer is literally paying off a rabbinical assocation. THEY get a cut of everything you buy.  WHY? There’s a bill in Congress now, authored by Rep Ileana Ros-Lehtinin R-Miami (she’s a Swedish Lutheran, right?) to allow “Holocaust Survivors” (there are SO MANY of them. More NOW, than there were after the War. Look it up.) to sue European insurance companies, for the unpaid life insruance claims, of  – get this “thousands” of those that died in camps. I thought is was millions. Well – they can’t seem to get the numbers right, in the plaque at Auswhich. They keep changing the “official” numbers. there – perhaps  ros-Lehtinin is confused. Now why would an “american Congresswoman try to get legistaltion passed, in an “american” Congress, to sue specific  Europeran (aka White) companies, on behalf of a specific ethnic group, espeically when so many Gentilkes suffered terrbile losses during WWII? FYI – there’s TONS of this sort of “legislation”. Look up 1564/HR2591 – Holocaust Victims Redress Act – where-as AMERICAN tax payers are mandated to pony up cash for Holoco$t “survivors”. Why are AMERICANS paying for the “survivors”? Didn’t we spill tons of blood and treasure FOR them, against Nation that did nothing to US?  There’s TONS of stuff lie that. 97% of the monies alloted by “Homeland Security” gors to JEWISH outfits. WHY? Aren’t they allegedly a teeny tiny minoirty, n the USA? Doesn’t any-one else count, in threat of Izlamik turrurism? And you are aware of how MANY Tales of the Holoco$t have bene outed as frauds, aren’t you? And then theres ALL the dough the US taxpayer shovels to Israle Congres is Israel’s lapdogs. Rep Steny Hoyer recently assured Israeli officials that no matter how bad the American economy is, and how much American are hurting,  this “…will have no adverse affect on America’s determination to meet it’s promise to Israel”. WHAT “promise”? American are losing their businesses, and their homes – and Isreal’s still gonna get billons, no matter what? Huh? I guess wehn your Tribe has the licesne to print money – the cash keep on a comin’! you do KNOW about the Federal Reserve? And Goldman Sachs, right? That every dollar earned, paid, or exchanged carries debt paid to Jewish families, right? Shall we talk about Dov Zakheim, and the missing 3 trillion, weeks before 9/11/01 occurred? How about Shel Silvertain, and the insurance policy he took out ON the WTC, a  few weeks prior to the Islamic Terrorist attack? Shall we? You can research eVERY word I’ve written. But you won’t. You’ll post a bunch of excuses. Go ahead.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @The Watchman  @NavyJR Where did you get all of this misinformation of pure hate if there is such a thing as “pure” hate? You are a total mystery. You approve comments that are the opposite to what you are writing, nor do I understand yu violent hate for Jews and Conservative Christians.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle @The Watchman @NavyJR Myrtle – are you actually mental? ALL of this is TRUE. You can look up EVERYTHING I’ve written. EVERY single word. Look up the bills i’ve cited. I do HATE. I hate what organized Jewry is doing TO Conservative Christians. Have you researhc the hatred Jews have exhibited towards the Christ, and Chrisitanity YET?

        • JC1929

          And you can go to my native city in MA and accuse another nationality as parasites, except you’d be wrong. You cannot accuse an entire group like that. Look as how the blacks were accused whenever some came into a white neighborhood as when I was a kid. Some became my best friends.
          Who will we white Americans hurl rocks at next, while calling ourselves “Christians.” What a joke, Denise!
          And do any of you know how many, many muslims are becoming Christians all over the Mid East?
          Read, “Inside the Revival” by Joel Rosenberg and published by Tyndale, a Christian publishing house.

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929 Actually, we are just releasing a film on the very subject of Muslims and Jews becoming Christians. The name of the film is “Change the Heart Change the World.” Through five years of extensive research and three trips to Israel to interview Jews, Muslims, Christians, ex-Muslims–now Christians, and Messianic Jews in the fields of politics, academia and journalism, as well as religious leaders from all these backgrounds, we discovered Yeshua haMashiach, Jesus the Messiah, is the only answer to peace in the Middle East conflict.
           
          In our film, we interview ex-Muslims, now born-again, like: Mosab Hassan Yousef, who was born in the West Bank to one of the five founders of Hamas, and groomed to become the leader of the radical Islam terrorist organization, Hamas; Kamal Saleem, Lebanon-born Muslim groomed by the Muslim Brotherhood and sent to the U.S. by them to recruit terrorists; and Nonie Darwish, Egyptian-born to one of the heads of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Each of these had a radical change of heart when they encountered Yeshua haMashiah, the Savior of the world.
           
          Our call by Jesus the Christ is to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us and abuse; we are called to go into ALL nations and preach the Gospel–that includes the Muslim nations as well as the Jewish nation. Are we allowed to physically go into these nations and share the Gospel with Muslims or Jews? No, we’re not. Can we pray for the salvation of Jews and Muslims, and in the same manner and to the same degree we pray for our friends and loved ones? absolutely!
           
          So, as Christians, let us get back to what God has called us to, and that is to love even those with whom we vehemently disagree, and to pray for those whom we consider our enemies, as if they were our own family.

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth Oh, thank God for your good news! I hope to be able to see this film.

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth Thanks, JC1929. “Change the Heart Change the World” is available on DVD through Christian distributors and television broadcasters like: Christian Book Distributors (CBD), Anchor Distributors, Vision Video, Crown Entertainment, Prophecy in the News Magazine and Television program, Total Living Network et al. I believe it’s being offered at $14.99. Many blessings, dear friend in Christ.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @Evermyrtle  @The  @NavyJR What do you mean by mental? I am a CHILD OF GOD and get my information fro HIS BOOK. I would question my own self if I believed that hogwash that you. A little truth in a long report does not make the report unquestionable wrote.I will refrain from calling you “mental!” I really don’t know anything about except what you have written.

        • CelticDenise

          @JC1929 Err..re: Blacks – any Negro in the USA can walk thorugh ANY White area (if ther are nay left) without fear.
          Nowadays, Whites walking through Detroit, East St Louis, Birmingham, AL, Elizabeth, NJ. etc – how would that work out? Have you heard of the Knock Out Game yet?

        • CelticDenise

          @DrProTruth @JC1929 O brother, More hooey. Conversos and Marranos have bene around forever. It always ends the same way.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle @The @NavyJR I’m callng you mental cause you are obviously incensed by my 100% accurate informaiton, on who the REAL destroyers are, whilst proclaiming ytour love of God, and the Christ. It can’t comprehend this contradiction. It doesn’t ass up. You, and millions of others, have been snookered. I was conned, once, a long time ago too. One doesn’t liek to admit one have been scammed. A pal, year ago, enjoined me to start reading Jewish doctrine, in THEIR own words. And I DIS, That’s why I’m writing al this stuff. Muslims are the symptom of the corrosion of the West. Jews, alas ,are the disease. . You can do research this yourself, too. Don’t you want to know who is really destroying the West? Read what THEY write, in their own words. At LEAST research what the Talmud has to say about Jesus. You’ll find all types of Jewish sources. making excuses or flat out lying – but you’ll find all kinds of interesting stuff, as well.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @Evermyrtle  @The  @NavyJR
           
          You may be able to prove you  read and copied some reports but that does not mean that the are true. It takes a lot more than reading trumped up reports to pass muster. The Jews are hated by the entire world.  The WORD OF GOD tells us that this would happen and of course it has come to pass. They are even lied on while they died by the million in the holocaust. I agree they were not perfect just as the Americans,, Germans, Russians, the Chinese and every race in the world . There was one perfect one born ever in this world, HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
           
          All we have to do to get the hatred of the Jews of flowing is to mention the word “JEW”  MY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST WAS DEEMED  JEW.. THAT ITSELF IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ME LOVE THE JEWS.

        • CelticDenise

          Oy vey! Only $14.99? Vatta deal!

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth CBD in Peabody? Used to live close to it, a century ago. Thanks.

        • NavyJR

          @CelticDenise  Obvioulsy you’re too inured against truth by the propagandists to hear it; so I won’t bother replying to you further; you want to wallow in the lies, which is your choice to make.  I would appreciate it if you cease to respond to my comments as well as you have nothing but leftist propaganda to spew!

        • NavyJR

          @Evermyrtle  Take what comes from Celtic Denise as projection of her own flaws onto others as libs do, so they don’t have to deal with them.

      • JC1929

        Celtic, Your language is full of malice and hatred and poison. I feel sorry for you.

        • CelticDenise

          @JC1929 So factual information is “hatred and poison ” to you? Don’t feel sorry for me. Save it for yourself.

        • NavyJR

          @CelticDenise  I doubt you’d know a “fact” if it ran you over with a TANK, so don’t judge others for seeing them and calling you on  them.

      • NavyJR

        @CelticDenise Hmmm I don’t suppose you’ve ever heard of Albert Einstein?  Jonas Salk ring any bells? Those are just 2 of MANY in MY lifetime who have contributed greatly to our world.  Knowledge ALWAYS builds on that of predecessors, otherwise every child would still have to rediscover fire and the wheel, to progress.  You’ve allowed yourself to buy into the Lib propaganda so deeply you won’t even hear truth when it’s presented to  you; and that makes me feel VERY sorry for you;because it will be the death of you and all around you!

        • Evermyrtle

          @NavyJR  @CelticDenise I believe that it can be said that Israel produced more important inventors than any other nation, they have given more to the world, to be the most hated people in the world. I do not understand this hatred. I don’t understand any hatred but this is so vindictive hatred.

      • NavyJR

        @CelticDenise This comment wasn’t to you; and since you won’t hear truth, kindl cease speaking to my posts, as I have better things to do with my time than waste it on someone who doesn’t wish to hear truth at all!  Thank-you!

  • ptefft

    Well really who in their right mind would miss California.  Huge tax burden to the country, filled with liberal communist socialists who are hell bent on taking this country down something other than our historical beginnings.  California, well I don’t think I would miss any blue state with the exception of my birthplace, New York but I would be willing to negotiate on that one too.

  • Dan

    I was just wondering, would a Muslim mosque allow a Catholic Mass or a Jewish Passover service to be held in their facility?

    • gnafuasusual

      Now, You are onto something, Dan! I think you have discovered the pattern/PLAN  in this charade.

      • JC1929

        Dan’s quesion is meaningless. What does it matter if the Muslims did? All three you meanioned are in the same sinking boat anyay!

    • NavyJR

      Soon as I get done laughing so I can type straight…. the  answer to that is an unequivocal NO!

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @NavyJR / Not even if there were 72 virgins in the congregation!

        • NavyJR

          @Kissitgoodbye Wait ’til all those martyrs find out those virgins are the likes of Pelosi, Boxer, Napolitano Kagan, etc.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @NavyJR | Navy…you CAN make me laugh! I’m just picturing that! Wouldn’t that REALLY put the brakes on that Catholic or Jewish service at the Mosque! LOL!

        • CelticDenise

          @NavyJR  @Kissitgoodbye You know all those females are Jewesses, don’t you? Pelosi and Napolitano are Cryptos? Jeez, you must be an Anti Semite.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @NavyJR  @Kissitgoodbye So What???? I would be happy to be a Jew, and possibly I have a Jewish ancestor about 7 or 8 generations back. I do hope that I am. I love more than life one that was born to a Jewish woman and covered all of my sins when HE died on the cross.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle  @NavyJR  @Kissitgoodbye Evermyrtle – you are the wierdest sort of racist on Earth. You are posting Christian doctrine, on this thread – but  you are advocating for the people that HATE the Christ more than anything. Have you EVER read Jewish doctrine ,when the Goy are not around? The Talmud says that Mary “betrayed her own people”, and calls her a “hair-dresser” which for some weird reason is akin to calling her a whore. It’s an insult. And The Christ – the Talmud – which is the “philosophical” /history/legal code, that Jewish life revolves around, states that the Christ was a sorcerer, a sevual deviate, a Black magician, and is boiling in a pot of feces, in Hell, for all eternity. The Talmud brags about how they, Jews, did kill the Christ. They’re glad about it. Orthodox Jews, in Israel, celebrate Christmas Eve, by working. It’s the one day they seek to do physical labor. They avoid physical labor, otherwise, at all costs. It’s a deliberate insult, again. It’s called “Night of the Klipocks”. Night of the Soulles Shells. Christians. Christians are soulless shells. I’m not making this up. You can research this for yourself. Oh – they spit on Christians, in Israel, as well. They spit on ministers, priests, nuns, etc,  Does ANY of this spark one flicker of interest, at all? As in actual facts?

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    ELOHIMISGOD
     
    navyjr, I received you reply and I must say that you are right. HATE is what driving these people, and think not that their want to interfaith with ANYONE NOT EVEN THEMSELVES because they are very CONFUSED as to what live is really all about, and it got to start in your HEART! 
     
    These people KILL their own CHILDREN; I mean “BLOW THEM UP”, and you think that their can interfaith with TRUE CHRISTIANS, they need to REPENT and ask the HEAVENLY FATHER FOR FORGIVENESS, (TGIF), Amen!
     
    Mr. Evans

    • Evermyrtle

      @ELOHIMISGOD What can you expect out of a god and a religion the was made by a plain man, Mohammad and wrote a book of hate, the Koran. The real GOD has a book, too. It is the Bible or THE WORD OF GOD. The only hate in HIS book is hate the evil like the evil that HE repaid by destroying Sodom and Gomorrah . And just  think, we in America are the modern Sodom or Gomorrah or both. Is there any other country, no matter how evil we may think it is, that has legalized homosexuality bestiality and baby murder. What more can I say???

      • NavyJR

        @Evermyrtle Muhammad was ANYTHING but a “plain” man; he was every kind of degenerate to which man is capable of stooping; a murderer, a thief, a rapist, a pedophile, and pretty much every other sort of vileness humans are capable of  being!    He would have fit right in with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and the list goes on…

        • Evermyrtle

          @NavyJR  @Evermyrtle You are correct but what i meant what he was just a man not anything special. I should maybe gone into detail and explained what he had done tot he world how extensive the evil he is responsible for. It cannot be measured.

        • CelticDenise

          @NavyJR  @Evermyrtle Hey Navy – I can;t find the post where you blathered on about Einstein and Salk – but a little real world data – tons of White men developed physics long before Ein-stain the FRAUD plagiarized the work of others .You may want to research the names of James Maxwell, Henrik lorenz, and Olinto de Pretto, befor you slobber over that ulgy little troll Einstein. It’s WELL known in scientific circles, that he was a crook.  And Salk – his polio vaccine killed and crippled far more people than polio did. But go ahead, Deny deny deny.

  • Rocky Venti

    Why don’t we all convert to muslimism. I can shoot a shotgun being called anything…bring it…mexifornia is already lost. They just haven’t turned off the lights yet. That “whooshing” sound you hear are the moneyed people leaving for a right to work state…

    • ELOHIMISGOD

      Muslims, like all of us need someone to PRAYER for them; just like Christians, for the HOLY BIBLE say that the Living God SO LOVE THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PARISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIVE John 3:16, Yeshua is the answer for that ETERNAL LIVE. If you would just open your heart, He will do the REST, Amen!
      PS: By the way, I have family members that are Muslims and I love them just as I love you and I do not even know you, Amen!
      Mr. Evans

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @ELOHIMISGOD Mr. Evans. I hate no one. I wish I could pray for those who murdered my relative on 9/11. He was just 30yo with his entire life ahead of him. His family is a good Christian Family who Are carin,loving, people. They did not deserve to receive the remains if their beloved son home, inthe form of bits and pieces. They will never be the same. Their life as they knew it was destroyed by Muslim Fundamentalists. Please forgive me if I don’t pray for them, but I don’t feel they deserve any nor would they care to.

        • JC1929

          You didn’t deserve salvation any more than they did/do. You were just as deeply in sin as they. And you are basing salvation on works, I see by your words. You give it away when you write “his family is a good Christian Family who Are carin,loving, people.” I would challenge that statement. Do they all profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? That is the quesiton, and it has nothing to do with their being “good.” or “carin” or anything else.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I truly couldn’t care less if any of you LIKES ME. When you ask me WHAT KIND OF A BIBLE I READ, you are being an obstinate, AUTISTIC CHILD, who is incapable of CHANGING YOUR MIND.
    http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/evil/ According to {M. Scott} Peck, most of us view a situation in light of how we are affected by it and only as an afterthought do we stop to consider how it might affect others involved;  we do eventually consider the viewpoint of the other.
    »»»»»»»»»»»
    Not so those who are evil. Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack this capacity for  empathy…. We can see then, that their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others, but  also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and  respect for others….The evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well. ..The blindness of the narcissist  to others can extend beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists  may not “see” others at all.

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @lightvdark /. Please re-think your Autistic remark. They face enough hardship. Try not to add to it.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @Kissitgoodbye—I’m not mocking autistic children. I’m sure, not many with the affliction are looking in on this conversation. The point being, PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY HEALTHY ADULTS, ACT AS IF THEY ARE ALLERGIC TO THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH, And, they wish to stone the messenger, to death.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @lightvdark / I realize your intention was not to hurt. Their parents are on the site, I can guarantee you. They go through enough and hear enough of the negative about their children. Most people make remarks and don’t realize they are making the wound deeper. Not trying to censor you. Just want to bring about awareness. Thanks!

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Kissitgoodbye—-You’re right, sorry—

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @lightvdark / Thankyou. You are a gentleman!

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        ELOHIMISGOD
        My dear man, being miss guarded do not mean that you are in “HARDSHIP”, because that is the CHOICE you made to be DECEIVED, and HATING PEOPLE do not mean you are in HARDSHIP. My brother, TRUTH WILL ALWAYS WIN OUT; and the side that you are on will make all the DIFFERENCE, Amen!
        Mr. Evans

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @ELOHIMISGOD—John 3:16, is great for the righteous, but 19, at least shows the heathen that their future is DIM.
          Evil people hate God and His people.
          John 3:19 (WYC) And this is the DOOM, FOR LIGHT CAME INTO THE WORLD AND MEN LOVE MORE DARKNESS THAN LIGHT; FOR THEIR WORKS FOR EVIL(emphasis added).

        • Evermyrtle

          @lightvdark John 3: 19 describes every sinner, which means everyone of us. We all sin but we do not all hate each other. HIS own try to help each other with advice or with any other way that we can. We are only expected to gently advise people when we know they are wrong we cannot drive them or get them to listen if we are mean and judgmental. Spite , malice and name calling only turns people away. Everyone of us has the same right that you have. Some of us are mean and hateful and with this attitude we only reap the same thing hate, spite, and malice. Try speaking with love and if you get hate in return ignore it.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      I truly couldn’t care less if any of you LIKES ME. When you ask me WHAT KIND OF A BIBLE I READ, you are being an obstinate CHILD, who is incapable of CHANGING YOUR MIND.http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/evil/
       According to {M. Scott} Peck, most of us view a situation in light of how we are affected by it and only as an afterthought do we stop to consider how it might affect others involved;  we do eventually consider the viewpoint of the other. »»»»»»»»»»» Not so those who are evil. Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack this capacity for  empathy…. We can see then, that their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others, but  also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and  respect for others….The evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well. ..The blindness of the narcissist  to others can extend beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists  may not “see” others at all.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/evil/
       According to {M. Scott} Peck, most of us view a situation in light of how we are affected by it and only as an afterthought do we stop to consider how it might affect others involved;  we do eventually consider the viewpoint of the other. »»»»»»»»»»» Not so those who are evil. Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack this capacity for  empathy…. We can see then, that their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others, but  also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and  respect for others….The evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well. ..The blindness of the narcissist  to others can extend beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists  may not “see” others at all.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I read the same Bible that you do. I just have the COURAGE, to realize that not everybody is going to the same place when we are through here.
    —————–
    “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.” Revelation 3:19-20

    • Evermyrtle

      @lightvdark Courage is fine but be sure that you are correct in with you are writing. The way you present is also important. You are not the King of The Road. Don’t act like you think your way is the only way. Put GOD out in front. I feel sure you do not want to represent HIM or yourself as as  tyrants. GOD IS A  GOD OF LOVE AND HE WILL WORK WITH US IN OUR WEAKNESSES BUT WE MUST RECOGNIZE THOSE WEAKNESSES AND ASK FOR HELP AND NOT GO ON, AS WE ARE RUSHING THROUGH A FLOCK OF ANIMALS.

      • Rex1949

        @Evermyrtle @lightvdark everymyrtle: I readyour comments. Too bad though. You don’t know what your talking about. I congraduate you because your now soon saved but you lack a lot of what God says in the bible and his wisdom. You think you know everything. when you lack a whole lot. You need years of experience to find a lot of Gods true meaning. Just beginers know the Lord does not now make you a expert in the words of God. It takes years and years of expreince of reading the bible to understand a lot of his words.. and then you still have knowledge to know his words.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Rex1949  @Evermyrtle  @lightvdark I don’t have many years left, but I have been studying 65 years. I have some understanding of my Bible, I cant say about your bible because I do not know what Bible you use. I admit there is a lot that I don’t know that I would like to know.
           
          When I read 1 Cor 13: 12-13 I believe that you do not have much understanding as you think, because you comment was not one of charity.
           
          12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then grace to grace: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
          13. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three;  but the greatest of these is charity.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they** should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
    **THE LIE BEING—YOU ARE NEVER TO JUDGE—WAIT FOR JUDGEMENT DAY. YOU ARE, JUDGING, ME, WHOM MOST OF YOU WOULD LOVE TO KILL—

    • Evermyrtle

      @lightvdark Are you saying we do not know right from wrong?
      Zech. 7a;9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassion every man for his brother.
       
      Zech. 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; speak ye every man the truth to his neighbor; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates.
      Jpjm 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
       
      II Thes 2;9-12
       
      9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.
      10. And with all decievableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
      11. And for this cause GOD shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
       
      I believe, if you got out of these scriptures, you need not be trying to explain anything in HIS WORD.
      if this is what you get out of these scriptures you had best not try to explain GOD’S WORD. If your deliberately misconstruing “HIS WORD”, you are   piling sin upon sin against yourself. Nobody hates you but we are not happy at how you try too explain  HIS WORD in the way of Satan.  You are filled with hate yourself that just shines out from your comments.  You need to step back a while and get ahold on your self and think “Is this the way a Christian should display his knowledge, his thoughts.?” Who am I speaking for, GOD or Satan?

  • har82

    Figures ,, this is in Kalifornika lol.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    When I was in grade school a teacher told me–A word to the WISE is sufficient. I didn’t understand—
    I KNOW, that we are rapidly becoming a bunch of PATHETIC CHILDREN WHO LOOK TO OUR LITTLE-BOY-KING, FOR EVERYTHING. Those of us who don’t, have to die.—-
    Proverbs 17:10
    A single rebuke does more for a person of understanding than a hundred lashes on the back of a fool.

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    My friend, let enlighten to the TRUTH, Allah is not in the HOLY BIBLE, Allah is not the LIVING GOD of the Christians. There are many gods; however, they is only ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, and He is the CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. Allah is the Arabic god.
     
    Jehovah is the one that you and I will STAND before when the time comes, and you can believe what you want to believe; and you think that you know the HOLY BIBLE, but without Yeshua as Savior, it will be all over you or all those that think like you.
     
    Please, before you reject Yeshua, turn to Him and make Him your Lord, for He said that if you denied Me before men; I will denied you before the angels in heaven,  Amen!
     
     
    1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

  • Brabado

    Well,if the Conference is held in an Episcopal Church in Pasadena, California, we all can understand how brilliant these people on the West Coast are…. Isn’t Nancy Pelosi a product of these same minds?
     
    Pay no attention to it!
     
    Probably this Church is short in Cash!
     
    The rest of the Nation says, IN GOD WE TRUST!

  • NavyJR

    @lightvdark I saw the comments you exchanged with kissitgoodbye; and a saw the comment you apparently deleted that was at the root of it, still in my inbox.  Autism is a spectrum of disorders which interfere with bonding, but it’s not the same as narcissism.  It’s a neurological disorder, and it’s congenital, as far as anyone knows yet.  Narcissism on the other hand is a behavioral {learned} disorder.  Autism has no cure; narcissism does have.  You’ve read Dr M. Scott Peck; I’m guessing the one about toxic relationships.  I haven’t read it in a couple of decades but much of what he said is right on the money.  And it fits with what we’re seeing in our “leadership”, except that in Obama’s case his is severe enough to be pathological, and there are touches of serious paranoia as well, which is not true with all narcissists.  I hope you aren’t offended that I jumped in on this but your comments aside from “misusing” the term “autistic” were good ones.  Too bad this doesn’t have an editing feature for comments.

  • NavyJR

    @ELOHIMISGOD: IN fact , Allah is in the Bible, albeit not by that name; he’s the moon god that Abram fled Ur of the Chaldees because he chose to not worship that deity and to follow Elohim instead.  At an earlier point in the regional history he was known as Alla, {not a typo}, a deity of violence and war.

  • Greg137

    THIS is why churches have standards! We don’t need some radical sect of suicide jihadists using our own churches as a platform to destroy and murder us… Duh! California is a mixed up states if ever there was one..

  • The Watchman

    Under pressure from the politically corrrect in this society, many Christian churches have begun to abandon their standards and ethics, so as not to be labled racist or bigot.  California is not the only place where Muslim pressure has been appeased.  In Tennessee where the Muslims just had a grand opening of their new barracks (mosque), the Muslims were allowed to use a nearby Baptist church to hold their subversive meetings until the Mosque was built.  This kind of behavior by Christian churches in America is pretty often practiced in the name of tolerance and outreach.  It won’t be long before Christians will be forced to leave their large churches and once again meet in the privacy of individual homes.  The Muslims will see to that, and Obama will be speeding these things along in the name of tolerance again.  In America, the only religion/faith that will not be tolerated will certainly be Christianity.

    • Evermyrtle

      @The Watchman Read 2 Corinthians 6: 14-18 to get the view of JESUS CHRIST on this event.

  • Ithamar

    I have read several comments assigning the motive of un-Christian, un-Biblical hate to those who express anger at the wicked. Was King David “full of (un-Biblical) hate” when he said “do not I hate them with a perfect hatred?” It is a sad state of affairs when professing Christians are so ignorant of healthy, Biblical emotions. It is worse when they condemn the righteous for feeling and expressing a righteous anger, even hatred for wickedness. These folk need to make a study of the Psalms, especially those expressing imprecatory emotions. These were meant for our edification just as much as John 3:16.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Ithamar I’ll give you a little info that apparently you do not know: any lie any, any evil is allowable and encouraged, to put upon a Christian.

      • Rex1949

        @Evermyrtle : You better read what you send me. As your right be not yoked with the unrighteous. And that is what I have been saying. As letting someone use your church for a sinful nature is not right in Gods Eyes. Better read what God did when merchantiles was using Gods house for there purpose and what he did to them.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Rex1949  @Evermyrtle I guess it did sound a little weird but what I meant this is the way the world looks at us as Christians. It seems that so many think we are just here to abuse especially verb ably. I get all kinds of smears for speaking the truth.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Rex1949  @Evermyrtle Read 2 Cor. 6:14-18. I tried to print these scriptures and post them they would not post. I guess someone might be offended!!

    • CelticDenise

      @Ithamar The baby-ish Happy Talk  “Jeebus loves every-one, no matter what” crap is promoted by the Marxists to keep the Schmoos pacified, slavish, and in line.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @Ithamar—Happy-Face-Faux-Christians are ALWAYS CHIRPING, JOHN 3:16. 3 short verses later— John 3:19 (WYC)——
      And this is the DOOM, FOR LIGHT CAME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED MORE DARKNESS THAN LIGHT; FOR THEIR WORKS WERE EVIL(^).

  • DrProTruth

    The bitterness and hatred and contempt that spews from the person who calls herself “CelticDenise” is so all consuming that this person is apparently devoid of anything left of human compassion–God’s compassion not withstanding. All the negative emotions shaping her thoughts and deeds actually generate such toxic chemicals in her system that she ultimately surely will completely consume herself from the inside out
     
    With such poison saturating this person’s mind and heart, unless she allows God to deal with this root of bitterness that so apparently controls every fiber of her being, her life will be short-lived, as her body surely already is filled with arthritis or cancer or worse. Bitterness of these epic proportions residing in the human body for any length of time tends to turn on its host, and the thing with which that person curses others will all at once overtake the host of that bitterness–and that bitterness will turn on her–and that without remedy. This is called “The Law of Reciprocity” or “The Law of Seed-time and Harvest.” In other words: “Whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap.” In the end, there always are ramifications to our words and deeds–we cannot plant corn and expect to reap a harvest of broccoli.
     
    May God reveal His goodness to this woman that she will see His goodness and come to repentance–having a change of mind and a change of heart.

    • CelticDenise

      @DrProTruth Oh Sweet Jesus. Waht a load of noxious schmaltz! Hey bubbelah – every word I’ve wroitten can be verified. Every single word. Yet not a word from a cretin like you, on content. hhhhmmmm….The poison saturating thr Americna Body Politc is strctly Kosher. Muslims do not run the counterfieting scam called “The Federal Reserve”, nor are Lloyd Blankfiend or Jame DEmon followers of Allah. FYI – tmy word,s and the words and protests of millions of others, IS the retribution put out by the Self Chosen. Jews have 4 times the genetic diseases of any other ethny, including cretinism, that genetic testng as almost mandatory, for young Jewish couples. So your blather aobut reaping what you sow is kinda funny. FYI re : cusres?
      Right back atcha.
      Anathema Sit.
      Anathema Sit.
      Anathema Sit.
      Good luck with that Niemann Pick’s progression! Ha!

      • Evermyrtle

        @CelticDenise  @DrProTruth I would be very careful how I used JESUS name . This sounds like it is uses as a slang curse term. In such a instance I would  way something like “oh heck” Never ever “SWEET JESUS.” except in praising HIM

        • CelticDenise

          I am not cursing Jesus. I was actually praying to him when I write that. FYI – this thread is difficult to follow. I think my posts are being deleted. And i’m not copying and pasting anything. Why would I make this stuff up? I pray that God opens your eyes to those that hate and despise Him, and His Holy Son. You seem determined to defend those that seek to destroy His Works. I know millions are duped, but cannot account for what you choose to believe. You seme completely ready to be decieved. I’ve actually said a prayer for you. Good luck and farewell.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise 
          Where on earth does such vindictive hate and lies come from . I agree I am the opposite in my opinion of JESUS CHRIST, from you, HE, who was the SON of  Jews, who GOD  saw fit to allow, to be HIS parents. I love HIM and HIS people and will do all I can to protect them from such as you, not that HE needs my protection.

        • CelticDenise

          @Evermyrtle Ask Organized Jewry about the vindictiveness and hatred. Snap OUT of it Myrtle.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CelticDenise  @Evermyrtle Ween I have something right I will stand on it. If I snap it is to the one that is wronged. You have a vendetta going against  Israel. I makes little difference what group of people that you may look at in the entire world there will be good ones in the group and there will be bad ones in the group. But for some you are attacking  Israelites for no reason at all but because you hate them for some imaginary reason. Snap out of it, you only hurt yourself. Pull away from that group of haters of Jews.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Evermyrtle  @CelticDenise  Organized Jewry is an organization that feed off on Jew haters, as well as are supporters of Jewish haters.

        • CelticDenise

          I am OUTRAGED at the the way Isreal has utterly ABUSED America, and murdered tons of Arabs, using American money. They’ve LOOTED America, and dragged us into war after war for their goals.  They despise and abuse the Christians that worship them You know NOTHING about ANY of this, expcet the nonsense in media. If you WERE a patriotic American, and an educated Christian, you’d know about this. You are a dupe, and you insult me. SHAME on YOU.

      • PLT SGT CHE

        @CelticDenise  @DrProTruth
         Hey denise–your anti semetic BS wearies normal sane folk–get over yourself.
        An idiot overhears a lie (S) and adopts the lie as truth; oft repeating the lie to men who know the idiot is a liar.  JEWS are precisely like all other human beings; it is you who blindly choose evil while pretending you are superior to Jews, better than Jews and purer than Jews–you ain’t and you have demonstrated you ain’t.  I’slam is an invention no different than Natzism, Mafiaism or communism–they all have one thing in common,
        subjugating others to their will.  This is a great place to post–don’t screw it up–Okay?

        • CelticDenise

          What are you blathering about? Take your own advice. One of the poster here asked “What happened ot my country?” – and I TOLD him. I know Jews are not different fomr any-opne else – but that’s not what THEY tell themsleves .THEY inspire the hatred THEY incurr, century after century. Why don’t you stop running YOUR mouth, and do a little research on what I’ve written, instead of spewing the same ridiculous and pathetically ignorant agitprop your head has been stuffed with? Start with the Kol Nidre, you ignoramus.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @CelticDenise
           STOP telling me what Jews “Tell themselves.”  Are you a mind-reader?  You are hateful talking and pretending you are not being hateful ain’t working with me.You are insulting, anti semetic and wrong–period.  As for my credentials–I have personally visited, accompanied by my wife, more than one Natzi death camp in West germany–including Dachau.  Your distortions sicken me.  You are further persecuting Jews with your hateful speech and hatred.  You fool only the naive–I ain’t naive and that must irritate you—tooooo bad!

        • CelticDenise

          I know what I’m talking about. Jews are even admitting the the Hollowcost was “exaggerated”. Ooohhhh….you went to a Nazi “death camp” – so now you are na expert. How very impressive. Did Dr Martin Boszat show you around the “gas chambers”?  FYI  – considering the way Jews treat actual Semites – Arabs – Jews are the WORST Anti-Semites on Earth, FYI – unlike the “gas chambers” – the Willie Pete Israelis use on Palestinian toddlers is real. Buy the by – is your wife on on the :”reparations” scam, or something?

    • Evermyrtle

      @DrProTruth  I think you hit the nail squarely on the head!!

      • JC1929

        @Evermyrtle @DrProTruth
        Amen!

    • DrProTruth

      If my words offended you, Denise, I apologize, for that was not my intent. Much of what you say may or may not be true, and yet, whether it is or not is beside the point.
       
      Jesus declares that the truth will make us free, but He also says we must first know what the truth is before it can set us free. Sadly, our friend, Denise, you miss the point. Whether what you say is true or not is inconsequential, for what ever your knowledge is, it has bound you in a pit of anger and despair rather than making you free to love and forgive–for it is in love and forgiveness that we find our source of power to overcome any obstacles put before us.
       
      Both love and forgiveness are choices we make, rather than emotions we feel. When we make the choice to love or forgive and relinquish our feelings to God for Him to make our feelings line up with our decisions, that our emotions will follow and we are able to experience great freedom to see Truth clearly. Jesus says it is of more import that we our enemies even over against our friends–for even the unbelievers love their friends.
       
      So what is the Truth? Jesus is the Truth, and He displayed this Truth through He unabashed love for us while we were yet sinners–He–Who knew no sin–displayed this love when He bled and died on Calvary in our place for our sins. His victory over sin and death is demonstrated through His resurrection on that third day.
       
      The truth is; love is displayed when we love the unlovable, and we forgive the unforgivable. I believe God has placed you in the midst of many genuine followers of Christ on this blog to genuinely pray for you.
       
      You walk in the same misguided passion as Saul of Tarsus before his mighty conversion to Christ, Denise, and look at what a might man of God Paul becomes, and look at the mighty works God performs through Paul after his conversion, having written over 1/2 of the New Testament, and having the greatest influence on the Church of Jesus Christ, outside of Jesus Himself.
       
      With that, I genuinely do love you with the love of the Lord, Denise, and I commit to you right now, to pray for your salvation until that day when your eyes are opened and you see Truth for what it really is, and you become that great influence in the body of Christ. Much love to you, dear one.

      • Evermyrtle

        @DrProTruth 
        this is truly a beautiful post and I wish I could get my thoughts to come out so wonderfully. You spoke the truth is such a nice way.

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle You hold your own, Evermyrtle! ;D

      • JC1929

        @DrProTruth
        Took me too long to realize that love is a verb. But there is still enough life in the old bird to make up for lost time. I hope. Win some, lose some.

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth You do a fine job expressing yourself, JC1929! :D

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth Writing was one of my choices but persistence was not one of my gifts. Still have time, but art has taken over. Thank you. My ego needed some patting.

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth
          I did write a book, a bit autoibiographical, and I thought it was pretty good. showed a heart transformed and love coming in. Unfortunately I had had my fill of marketing in art. Ripped it up. It even made me shed tears in some places. Desire to write lives on.

      • CelticDenise

        fiorst you wish cancer et all, on me, and then you write swill for the suckers that want to swallow your swill. Screw off. You’ve already shown your true colors, Hymie. Go push some more trash, inspired by the Deciever, in the Goyim. You don’t fool me.

        • DrProTruth

          @CelticDenise I do not wish you any harm, at all, Denise. What I stated in my post is the truth–by any physician’s standards–of what happens to our human bodies–physiologically speaking–when we harbor bitterness, anger, unforgiveness, hatred, contention et al. These negative emotions cause certain caustic and toxic chemicals in our system that turns to the diseases I mentioned along with a host of other maladies.
           
          Upwards of 75% or more [this is a modest estimate] of all diseases known to man are in actuality psychosomatic disorders brought on by negative thought patterns. Based on the tenor of every one of your posts, my guess–not my wish but my guess–is that you are already experiencing physical maladies from the poison you continue to allow to remain in you and pour out of you, dear one.
           
          Proverbs tells us that as a man [or woman] thinks in his heart, so is he. Jesus confirms this thought when He says it’s not what goes in a man’s mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it. What comes out of the mouth reveals what resides in our hearts–for out of the heart flows the issues of life.
           
          I sincerely hope you will consider things, Denise–and–I will most definitely continue to pray for you!

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @CelticDenise
           Is ugliness only skin deep–Denise?

        • CelticDenise

          @PLT SGT CHE Ask your wife. She ought to know.

        • CelticDenise

          Oh gee. Thanks. I pray that YOU begin to open your eyes,

    • JC1929

      @DrProTruth ]
      have you done any books? Is CBD in Peabody?

      • DrProTruth

        @JC1929  @DrProTruth I am currently finishing a book on Truth titled “Truth War: Truth in a Post-Truth Culture.” I am also working on a 10-hour college course using “Truth War” as the text. Yes, CBD is located in Peabody, MA. Blessings, my friend~

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth I am not college material, but I might still look into “Truth War”. This old lady chose love over educatrion way back when.Just a different kind of education. .

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth LOL! :D I know what you mean! I waited until our children were grown and married before I went back to school and went on to earn two doctorates, and am working on a PhD in applied theology and ethics!!!  ;D

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @JC1929 Are you 83 years old??Just asking, that is how my oldest brother is,

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @DrProTruth
          The 1929 goes with me! And Paul Revere’s historic ride in Boston. Dr. Pro is much younger. Payback time, doc.

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @DrProTruth
          The 1929 goes with me! And Paul Revere’s historic ride in Boston. Dr. Pro is much younger. Payback time, doc.
          1929 A VERY GOOD YEAR FOR HIM AND ME.

  • Evermyrtle

    I cannot copy scripture  this and get to post therefore for those that who are against allowing Muslims to mingle in our churches read 2Corinthains 6:14-18. This give us the truth of how JESUS felt about it 2,00 years and I do not believe HE has changed HIS mind.

  • JC1929

    The forum is now open for you all; along with a great big apologly for monopolizing the conversation.Are we going to love the Muslims to Jesus or chase them away from OUR Savior!
    Oh that was fun in my old and sometimes boring life. The Holy Spirit really surprises me so much in His guidance. And I missed church today!

    • Rex1949

      @JC1929 : You know nothing about God. God forgives those who havegiven there heart – body and soul to God. Not the unsaved. Read Revelation abotu the ones who did not repent and have a stiff neck and turn from God. And what destruction he did to them. You have no concept of Gods salvation.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 What did I say that contradicted the plan of salvation, pray tell!? one is unsaved before he is saved! Jesus forgave me in 1976 aand I hve occupied a pew in many CHRISTIAN churches ever since. Good sound preaching and a lot of Bible study in a conservative realm. Although I do enjoy the Charismatic sometimes. What rang your bell? Maybe I misstated, but don’t accuse me of knowing nohhing about God, please.

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @JC1929 / Thanks for giving us your blessing to converse . I hope we can live up to your expectations , although we all know you are MORE Christian than the rest of us because you do it better!

  • Rex1949

    To the ones who did not exactually understand my first message. All I said was that it was wrong for a church to have someone else of a different culture and do not Honor God. To use a church who worships God and believe in his ways. And the bible condems any sinner to practice other worship in Gods house. And funny I had a lot who agreed with my statement… yet there are a few who disagrees as well. Those who disagree with my views. Talk to your pastor and ask him what he feels about another religion coming into the church and witnessing in his church. Preaching about Muslim Faith. And see what he says. You unsaved people know nothing about the value or scantity of Gods House. May God have mercy on your souls who think allowing others to practice other religion of satanic religioin in your church and feel this is ok.

    • ptefft

      @Rex1949
       All over the US there are many churches who allow other churches or denominations to use their facilities as they assemble.  This is usually a new church which doesn’t have their own building.  Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, etc. usually allow this because they are of the same faith in Jesus Christ.  Never however do any of these Bible believing churches allow a cult such as Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist and especially Muslims use their buildings.  That would be a sacriledge a defilement of a holy and sacred place of worshipping the only True God, Jehovah Almighty, one and forever with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, AMEN.

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949
      Did you ever, ever win anyone to Christ?

  • JC1929

    The forum is now open for you all; along with a great big apologly for monopolizing the conversation.Are we going to love the Muslims to Jesus or chase them away from OUR Savior!
    Oh that was fun in my old and sometimes boring life. The Holy Spirit really surprises me so much in His guidance. And I missed church today!

  • JC1929

    I went to CBD, DrPro and found only John MacArthur’s book The Truth War. Non without the article (?) “the”.So are you he? I used to think he was very negative, but my tastes have changed. He is just reformed, I think now there is more “love in my heart. LOL

    • DrProTruth

      @JC1929 No, I’m not John MacArthur! And, as I said in my post, I’m finishing my book on Truth, so it has not released yet. The working title of my book is “Truth War: Truth in a Post-Truth Culture” but, again, it won’t be released until after it’s finished.
       
      What you will find on CBD is our film “Change the Heart Change the World” on DVD. Just enter that title and you will pull up the DVD. We also produced a four-week Bible Study/Curriculum titled “Change the Heart Change the World DVD-Curriculum. You’ll find both of these titles listed with CBD, Whitaker House/Anchor Distributors, Vision Video, Crown Entertainment and others, as well as magazines like Prophecy In The News, and several Christian television programs and television networks… Hope this helps!

      • PLT SGT CHE

        @DrProTruth  @JC1929
         That is the stupidist thing I’ve ever heard, “I’m finishing my book on truth.”  Really?  And all this time I believed the Holy Word of God is the book of “Truth.”

        • DrProTruth

          @PLT SGT CHE  @JC1929 Dear friend~ We, as Christians, know that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus.
           
          I wrote a dissertation on this subject several years ago. My research revealed that about 60% of Bible believing Christians claim they do not believe in absolute truth, rather they believe in situational ethics and that truth is almost an arbitrary thing: “What is true for you is not necessarily true for me.” Many of these Christians, even many Evangelical pastors, claim they do not believe in the virgin birth, do not believe in the sinless life of Jesus, and the list goes on.
           
          Jesus declares that if your eye is single your body will be full of light. But if your eye is not single, then your body will be full of darkness. Jesus speaks of walking in integrity here so our conscience will be clear. He instructs us to let our communications be clear and honest and truthful when He tells us to let our yes mean yes and our no mean no, and anything more than this is from the evil one.
           
          What my research revealed is that when we do not believe that there is absolute Truth, and absolute right and wrong we open ourselves up to being deceived and led away from the Truth and into many doctrines of error. My impetus to write the dissertation, as well as the book, and prepare a 10-hour college course around Truth was to shed light on the dangers of . So much to say here, but neither time nor space permits.

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @DrProTruth
          Every time you put font to paper you make yourself the idiot.. Fonts are black markings made by pushing the necessary buttons on that keyboard near your lap.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @DrProTruth  @JC1929
           Doc–I get it–very well said–the truth is the truth and that’s the truth.
          You are so well informed of the Word, it is evident that you have studied and learned what God wants us all to learn–the truth that even a child can understand but adult men reject–the simple truth.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @JC1929  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Another clown without humor, common sense or clarity; a fool walking through hell with his drawers dripping gasoline.  A fool says in his heart there is no God.
          Then the idiot fool begins speaking of “Fonts, black marks and necessary keys”

        • DrProTruth

          @PLT SGT CHE  @JC1929 I so wish I could share my entire study on Truth with everyone on this blog. What the research revealed certainly opened my eyes to misconceptions I had and provided answers to many questions I grappled with down through the years as a Christian. Many blessings, dear friend

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @PLT @DrProTruth
          Oh you didn’t like that???? I thought it was clever.

        • JC1929

          Didn’t mean you DrPro. Guiess you knew that.
          I am sure going to enjoy the dvd, as wekk as learn much.
          Hey folks. here is your chance to get some edjication!
          Goodnight, must watch the old Natalie Wood movie. Have enjoyed this hyar show ever so much so much. Remember the words are “LOVE ONE ANOTHER!”

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929 G’night, JC1929!  :D

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929 BTW–I love the old Natalie Wood movies! ;D

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @PLT @DrProTruth Another thin skin!

      • JC1929

        @DrProTruth What did you think of Dr. Schaeffer’s philosophies? He attended our chruch before my time there. Lived not far from it. Just curious.

    • DrProTruth

      @JC1929 BTW–Although, he has changed a bit over the years, John MacArthur does tend to be negative in his messages. :D
       
      On another note–“Change the Heart Change the World” is produced by Paraclete Television Productions, our production house, and is distributed by Paraclete Marketing Agency–you should see our film and curriculum listed under one of these two companies! :D Many blessings~

      • JC1929

        @DrProTruth
        Ordered!

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth Can’t wait to hear your feedback! :D

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth
          Hope I can find a way to get it to you! Maybe CBD could.if I get lost in here. I am a half literate pc-er. Ask my daughter! My repair gal and problem solver It’s been some kind of day, lots of laughs. Thanks from the great (?) Pacific Northwest.

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth Don’t concern yourself, JC1929! I know you’ll enjoy the film and will get a lot out it! Many blessings~

      • PLT SGT CHE

        @DrProTruth  @JC1929
         Hey–Doc, this is no advertising site arranged for you to capitilize on; ok?  Maybe it is your self ritcheous tone that is irritating?

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @DrProTruth
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS! My brotherly love just took flight. What kind of a group is this? And they hate muslims and Jews and ?? And anyone with bad breath? This is almost, but not quite, funny.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @JC1929–JC, I believe that you are a pacifist, and wouldn’t defend yourself, or your loved ones if somebody began murdering you.——————————-
          I hate Pacifism, Islam, INDIFFERENCE, GODLESSNESSNESS AND COWARDICE(see pacifism).
          Murderers, child molesters, traitors, and, homosexuals like Dan Savage, ARE EVIL. Fred Phelps is just as evil as Savage. Terrorists and Communists are evil.
          ———————-The mad dogs that wouldn’t let the little girls out of their burning school, because they weren’t dressed in MUSLIM FASHION, need to be executed for JUSTICE, NOT REVENGE.————– http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/twice-branded-western-women-muslim-lands
           ———– A couple of years after I stopped visiting, a horrific fire broke out in a school in Mecca, home to the Muslim world’s holiest site. Fifteen girls burned to death because morality police standing outside the school wouldn’t let them out of the burning building. Why? Because they weren’t wearing headscarves and abayas, the black cloaks that girls and women must wear in public in Saudi Arabia.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark Who cares what you hate. I’ll bet you hate yourself! As for my not defending myself or my children, who are adults and good shooters, but for my DS boy. Try me!

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @DrProTruth WHO ARE YOU TO MAKE RULES? WHAT NERVE.

    • Rex1949

      @JC1929 ;Those are Science books your reading. A lot of information that knows nothing. Quit telling us how you know so much when actually you know so little JC1929. If you believe in all those Science Fiction books. Then your a 100% fool. The bible is the only true words. Not those Science fiction books you read. LOLS there.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949
        What on God’s green earth are you talking about????? What books? I don’t read science books?

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 HEY REX OLD BOY…GIVE ME THE TITLE OF JUST ON “SCIENCE FICTION” BOOKS YOU ARE RANTING ABOUT. DID YOU KNOW THERE I A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND SCIENCE FICTION? RATHER THINK NOT.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    http://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2F%23%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DElJFYwRtrH4%26desktop_uri%3D%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DElJFYwRtrH4&h=oAQE6qxIw&enc=AZMdwifHx1Z0PQmCYxrW6khxh_k2K4u1ZA8hPhqKXdDiWXdheAYowCGUEOWywD8jd6GNCzrk8T9D-SiZmZbMliKT3i-huD8rMy_x7QG1IZUImw&s=1 You Hippie Christians would make it your life’s work to convert these POSSESSED LUNATICS. If I asked you for a drink of water, you would tell me to SCREW! It’s human nature.

    • Rex1949

      @lightvdark : Your as bad as that misinformed JC1939 is. As he is a Muslim Lover. And he
      doesn’t have a clue what Muslims are about and there laws. You on the hand are a athesist.
      and since your a athesist. You only believe in one thing. That is for yourself. And you know nothing about Christians. As all athesits run there mouth when they know nothing anyway. And that is how JC1929 is. He also knows nothing.. yet he always has a lot to say about nothing important. Your two of a feather who stick together. And both something else

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @Rex1949—Islam is evil, godlessness is evil, P¡§¡€»»Pacifism Is SUICIDE; SUICIDE IS EVIL. Please learn to spell, before calling me stupid. http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/twice-branded-western-women-muslim-lands ———–
        A couple of years after I stopped visiting, a horrific fire broke out in a school in Mecca, home to the Muslim world’s holiest site. Fifteen girls burned to death because morality police standing outside the school wouldn’t let them out of the burning building. Why? Because they weren’t wearing headscarves and abayas, the black cloaks that girls and women must wear in public in Saudi Arabia.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 Old boy! He is a she! LOL What might you be?

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 OOPS THERE YOU GO TAKING10 YEARS OFF MY AGE, REX. HEY I AM PROUD OF THE 83 YEARS BUT YOU CUT ME BACK TO 73. PLEASE DON’T DO THAT AGAIN.

    • JC1929

      @lightvdark I don’t use such language! The Bible says we are to fish for men, make converts, love one another, forgive, and a whole bunch of things and I see nothing of the kind frfom you and the other self righteus souls DrPro mentions. Kindly I might add. I don’t think it says we can hate them!

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JC1929 »»»»Do not give what is holy to DOGS, nor cast your pearls {of wisdom} BEFORE SWINE, LEST THEY TRAMPLE THEM AND TURN AGAIN AND REND YOU»»»YOU, JC, FEEL AS IF YOU ARE BRIMMING WITH WISDOM, and the rest of us are PIGS AND DOGS.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark
          Is that what you think? I don’t have a clue a to what you are raving about. To be honest I have little self confidcnce….ask my daughter….No, I lack wisdom…AS YOU DO!

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          You haven’t got a CLUE. No skin off my nose, SIMPLETON_COWARD.
          http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html
          @JC1929 — God’s judgment of people groups found in the Old Testament actually pales in comparison to the judgment He will render at the end of time. According to the New Testament Book of Revelation, God will judge and kill billions of people who reject Him when Jesus returns, including 200 million killed in a single battle. 8
           Such large armies have never existed in the history of mankind until the last 100 years, suggesting the this judgment could come at any time.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark THAT assessment of what I feel or think is merely your twisted opinion and is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

  • Kissitgoodbye

    JC… I have no idea what you are talking about. I’m not talking about salvation for anyone. I’m talking about Murder. Pure and Simple. If you don’t get why I won’t pray for mass murderers, I can’t help you.

    • JC1929

      @Kissitgoodbye
      ..Just to make things clear, there are two of us in here with JC for initials. I have not ranted and raved as you accuse. Get your id’s straight before you accuse.

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @JC1929 I addressed my comments to you, just left off your number. You did give me a sermon regarding my murdered family member. Maybe you don’t remember. Something about my salvation and the salvation of my family, because I won’t pray for Muslim terrorists who murder. Somehow that makes me less Christian?

        • Kissitgoodbye

          Ringing any bells yet? Don’t think I said anything about ranting, just don’t feel you have the right to judge anyone’s faith. And just so you know… Thou shall not kill IS in the Ten Commandments.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          Just found the “Rant and Rave”remark, so before you get too snarky, someone else wrote it. Apparently you have irritated others as well.

        • JC1929

          @Kissitgoodbye There you go accusing me again! My oh, my, you’ve hurt my feelings.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @JC1929 / I think you are suffering from delusions of grandeur, with a sprinkling of paranoia.

        • JC1929

          @Kissitgoodbye Why not? We arfe to judge angels so I am getting practice.

        • JC1929

          @Kissitgoodbye You ae a riot! I love it.

        • JC1929

          @Kissitgoodbye HOW MUCH WILL YOUR DIAGNOSIS COST ME. AND WHAT IS MY PROGNOSIS?

  • ptefft

    JC1929  It is people like you who rant and rave against others.  The absolute truth is that all people should be evangelized with the gospel in order that they are not left out from God’s free offer of salvation.  The gospel offers free grace, salvation as a free gift from God and that is understood.  It is presented that way but it also requires that you mention that God punishes sin and that as sinners we are headed straight to hell.  You have to mention the need to repent from sin for without repentance there is no forgiveness.  What are you repenting from.  From a vile and sinful nature that is totally against a Holy God.  Furthermore before I was saved, I thought I was sinful but never realized how sinful.  If I were to witness to you I would have included the need to repent from the ugliness of sin and not preach only God’s love.  You can’t have one without the other.  As far as your critizism is concerned, if your well known pastor is not preaching repentance that is a big problem for God is not just a God of love or Jesus Christ would not have to had died on the cross.  He died for sin, yours and mine and that requires that we know much, much about our sin, not just sugar coating the Gospel.  I am a Reformed Presbyterian, conservative and the Scriptures clearly teach that man is defiled, corrupt and thats not something God will automatically forgive because of His Love.  Also, whether you believe it or not, its clear that Scripture teaches predestination, God saving his Elect and only them.  Tough stuff isn’t it.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft Yes, I know what Reformed Presbyterian is, I used to attend one in PA. And AG in Ma, as well as Congregfaionalist, Baptist out here, And you are preaching to the choir. Do you possibly know what that means? No, not tough stuff. Want to know something youi won’t agree with? I have a Downs Syndrome adult son who knows God’s love even if he doesn’t understand the concept of sin, nor what baptism means, Can’t read, sure can pray, Doesn’t understand repentance either, but God loves him and he will be in heaven with me one day.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft Well, if that is the case you’d best get “Elected!” Want to know how?

    • JC1929

      @ptefft I wouid just love to know your definiteion of predestination.

      • JC1929

        Well you are not about to! You do it and I’ll check to see if you are right. I’ll ask Dr. Pro to help me out. LOL

        • JC1929

          MANY DENY PREDESTINATION OR GIVE IT A WRONG DEFINITION. I FOLLOW R.C. SPROUL FROM LIGONIER MINI.SNTRIES, REFORMED THEOLOGY ALL THE WAY. aND HE THERE IS THE “ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED AND MANY MORE CONTROVERISES BETWEEN REFORMED AND THE OTHER THAT HAS SLIPPEDF MY AGED AND TIRED MIND.

  • DrProTruth

    I’ve seldom encountered such a conglomerate of maladjusted, misinformed, malcontents on one blog as this one. There seems to be only 5 or 6 rational people who genuinely know God, with a personal knowledge, who embrace the vastness of His love for all people–not just Christians. The most memorized verse of Scripture for each and every Christian has to be John 3:16: “For God SO LOVED THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Does this verse not cover ALL PEOPLE no matter their race, color, creed, or gender? If not, then to whom–pray tell–does WHOSOEVER in this verse refer?
     
    If I remember correctly, while we were yet a sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:8). That means He loved each of us even while we were yet in our sins. So, who are we to think that God loves any other person any less than He loves each of us? And, where do we draw the line with sin; saying: drunkenness is less of a sin than murder. Only by man’s standards does this logic prevail. By God’s standards, His Word tells us that if we’ve broken one of His commandments, we’ve broken all of them!
     
    The unbelievable misconceptions about God and the inexcusable misrepresentation of His love and His mercy being propagated by supposed brothers and sisters in Christ go beyond anything I’ve encountered before. Yet, God’s marvelous, flawless, matchless, infallible Word tells us if we say we love God yet we hate our brother, we are a liar and the Truth is not in us (1 John 4:20).
     
    I would challenge each person participating in this dialogue–who calls him- or herself a Christian–to examine their own hearts and see where they stand in the face of this Truth.

    • Ithamar

      @DrProTruth if Christ died as an atonement for each and every sinner all the same, how then can God send anyone to hell for whomever Christ died. The most horendeous miscarriage of justice would be to send a person to eternal punishment for whom Christ died to redeem. I think you do not know as much about God as you boast.

      • PLT SGT CHE

        @Ithamar  @DrProTruth
         Ithamar—Really?  God condemns no one to hell; it is the rejectors of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who condemn themselves to the loss of eternal life–not Jehovah.  It is you, Ithamar who demonstrates utter ignorance about the WORD of God the Creator.

        • Ithamar

          @PLT SGT CHE @DrProTruth you did not answer my question. How can God punish a man for his sins for whom Christ died? Was Christ atonement not sufficient to atone for His sins? Are you ignoring the question or do you lack the grey matter to recognize the inconsistency in your UN-Biblical theology?

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Ithamar–You’re being rude, Ithamar; you would be better off walking through hell with your drawers dripping gasoline than you would demanding answers that everone but you know tyhe answer to.  READ the Holy Bible–if you read it you will learn that “Broad is the way but narrow the gate, and few that will find it.
          I answered your question and you still don’t get it do you?

        • Ithamar

          @PLT SGT CHE @PLT @DrProTruth I am not being rude and you have not answered the question. If Christ died for all as an atonement, then all should be saved. Your theology forces one of two conclusions: universal salvation or the insufficiency of the atoning death of Christ, at least on the part of some.

        • DrProTruth

          @PLT SGT CHE  @Ithamar Well put, PLT SGT CHE. We condemn ourselves when we reject God and His marvelous plan of redemption for all who would receive. His Word tells us that it would be better to never hear the Truth than to hear and reject (2 Peter 2:21).

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Ithamar–I don’t answer demanders!

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Ithamar—Ok Ok Ok you are not being rude.  You ok now?
          Here is the deal.  YES, Jesus shed His blood on the cross that we might have eternal life with Him.  But, if one rejects God—-despite what Christ did for him–
          then that man has condemned himself.  God wishes no one to perish–but “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.”  You keep saying your question is not answered but it is you who has trouble comprehending the truth when it is provided to you.  I suggest you read the Bible–the WORD of God.  All truth is found therein.

        • Ithamar

          @PLT SGT CHE @PLT @DrProTruth No, you do not answer, you just babble about things of which you have little knowledge, and yet boast of your knowledge.

        • DrProTruth

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @PLT  @DrProTruth My dear friend, I don’t mean this in an unkind way, but you will have to take this one up with the Father Himself, for these are His Words and not mine: John 3:16 tells us: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him shall not perish but will have everlasting life.” And again, He says that “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:8). To that end, God sent His only Son, Jesus the Messiah, to die for the sins of every single person who would receive the sacrifice Christ paid for us on the Cross of Calvary.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Ithamar–this is an adult site for men–not for milk suckers–your insult is not appreciated or the words of an adult.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @PLT  @DrProTruth  I think you are a little mixed up. JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR THOSE WHO WILL ACCEPT HIM AS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD AND IS JUST WAITING FOR ALL WHO WILL ACCEPT HIM AS OUR SAVIOR . IF YOU DON’T ACCEPT HIM, YOU ARE REJECTING HIM, HE CALLS BUT HE WILL NOT USE FORCE TO GET YOU TO ACCEPT HIM. THAT IS THE WAY THAT HE HAS GIVEN US TO  BE SAVED.

        • Ithamar

          @PLT SGT CHE @PLT @DrProTruth You say this site is an adult site for men, yet I have read women blathering about the “love” of God in a manner which reveals that they have a very defective (heretical) view of that love, and I have read babbling from men about the salvation of sinners which reveal they have heretical views about the fundamentals of redemption. All the while both the erroneous women and men boast of their superior knowledge and spiritual attainments while they rail against those who are far closer to the truth than themselves.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @PLT SGT CHE  @Ithamar  Yes, here it is :
          2 Peter2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them

        • JC1929

          @Ithamar You and a few other like you have really made my day a day of laughter. How I needed that! On which planet do you exist? In what discipline did you obtain you PhD? I may use incofrrect terminiaology so forgive me, I am not college educated as you must be.

        • Evermyrtle

          @JC1929  @Ithamar Ridicule is so ugly, so cheap.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Ithamar  @PLT  @PLT  @DrProTruth
           Ithamar—Delusion is the resting place of fools; are you rested yet?

        • JC1929

          @PLT SGT CHE @Ithamar @DrProTruth
          Ya got it now, bro?

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Ithamar—In Revelation 21 it states, BUT THE COWARDLY, THE UNBELIEVING, THE MURDERERS, THE SEXUALLY IMMORAL, etc.—ARE GOING TO THE FIERY LAKE.
          COWARDLY, was FIRST ON THE LIST.———————
          The BETTER A PERSON IS, IN AMERIKA, THE MORE HE OR SHE IS DESPISED. THE WICKED, ARE WORSHIPPED¿!¡
          http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/spiritual/inspirational_general/news.php?q=1280032066
          Many of the most successful politicians are habitual liars, sociopaths and/or unwitting tools of the adversary. They are successful in their behavior because the public tolerates their habitual, lying behavior instead of exposing their lies and throwing them out of office.  It is insanity to continue to keep lying and thieving politicians in office and continue to pay them.  Americans are called, “the people of the lie” and it is true.

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @Ithamar @PLT @DrProTruth Are we now into dispensationalism and reformation theology? Big worde for you I know Ithama, but it was for Dr. Pro.

        • JC1929

          @Ithamar As I said, I find it useful if not fun..

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @Evermyrtle  @Ithamar  @PLT  @DrProTruth Well, I think we’ve covered everything except dispensationalism!!!  ;D

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @Ithamar Following was my reply to PLT on this subject several hours ago, Evermyrtle: “We condemn ourselves when we reject God and His marvelous plan of redemption for all who would receive. His Word tells us that it would be better to never hear the Truth than to hear and reject (2 Peter 2:21).”

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @Ithamar I answered your comment when I posted the following to PLT about three hours ago: “We condemn ourselves when we reject God and His marvelous plan of redemption for all who would receive. His Word tells us that it would be better to never hear the Truth than to hear and reject (2 Peter 2:21).”

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @Ithamar I’ve tried several times to address your above comment, but they keep disappearing. I’ll try again–I addressed your comment in my post to PLT several hours ago, and this is what I said: “We condemn ourselves when we reject God’s marvelous plan of redemption for all who would receive. His Word tells us that it would be better to never hear the Truth than to hear and reject” (2 Peter 2:21).

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @Ithamar OH BUT IT FEELS GOOD WHEN EVIL PEOPLE REACT. IN YOUR OPINION IT IS, BUT NOT REALLY. LIES AND ATTACKS ARE EQUALLY, IF NOT WORSE.

      • DrProTruth

        @Ithamar@DrProTruthThank you, for your comment, Ithamar. I must say, you make my point, so perfectly. Of course, the burden is on us to receive what Christ did for us on Calvary. As my previous post specifically addresses Christians here, I did not realize there would be those who would require I spell this out in no uncertain terms, for that person to understand my point.
         
        For those who are less inclined to comprehend to whom God’s redemption belongs, allow me to clear up any remaining confusion: In the Gospel of John chapter 1 and verses 12-14, the writer tells us this concerning those of whom salvation or redemption belongs: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

        • Ithamar

          @DrProTruth the answer to the question is most certainly in the verses you quote, especially in the second portion, but you do not seem to “comprehend” it.

      • JC1929

        @Ithamar Dear friend, it must be accepted or it is ineffective to that person. if one doesn’t accept the gift one rejects Jesus Christ’s salvation.
        Comprenez vous? .

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @DrProTruth  I concur.  I have attempted to dialogue, but it’s like herding cats and talking to a tree.  I have found your posts most accurate…you must be Lutheran?  LCMS I am thinking…God bless your perseverance here.

      • DrProTruth

        @dntmkmecomoverther I love your analogy of “like herding cats and talking to a tree” !!!!  ;D

      • JC1929

        @dntmkmecomoverther @DrProTruth
        Egad!!! Surely you jest!

        • JC1929

          that was for the red square lady with the alphabet beside her name.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @JC1929  @dntmkmecomoverther  @DrProTruth I jest not when it comes to theology.  I don’t know who DrProTruth is, but it’s clear that his theology of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is quite orthodox.  If more folks on this blog were actually engaged in learning rather than spouting off ‘their version’ of the Gospel, they could actually learn.  As it is, this blog is just what DrProTruth suggests…many malcontents with assorted ideas on who and what God is and how His plan of salvation works through faith.
           
          Many theologians with much more scholarly ability than I have worked through all this and have left us their scholarly works.  Why is it that today, we have those who want to have the Gospel their way rather than YHWH?

        • DrProTruth

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @JC1929 I must say, many Christians have found themselves trapped in New Age philosophies or false religions in so doing… G’night, my friend~

        • JC1929

          @dntmkmecomoverther @DrProTruth I';; I will take the Holy Spirits’ word any day of the week!

  • PLT SGT CHE

    DrProTruth—now looky here doc, a Christian can love his brother and HATE his brothers’ actions.  God clearly stated He “Also hates” the ways of the Nicolaitanes.  It is in the opening verses of revelations where Christ addresses the 7-churches of Asia–(modern day Turkey).  Get a grip, your impatience with angry “Christians” is counter productive;
    and, preaching to the choir is fruitless.  I’m really really really sorry that you have “Seldom encountered” less than perfect Christians.  I’m just certain you are not “Maladjusted, misinformed” as you judge others to be.  Yes, if we break one commandment we’ve broken all of them.  Additionally, God will utterly destroy the vast army poised to strike Jerusalem–he might love them but THEY choose evil and deny The Father, Son and Holy Spirit in favor of an invented god.  Christ was angered at the money changers operating in Gods house.  Just as some on this thread are angered by the church’s compromise, i’slamic lies and a luke warm belief and obedience to the WORD!

  • PLT SGT CHE

    That Episscopal church lets another god into God Jehovah’s house?
    ATTENTION:  “Interfaith” is code for compromise of God’s’ WORD; that only satan would approve.
    Christ said:  “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one cometh to the Father except by me.”
    Those who dine with the devil use their own counsel unwisely.  We should pray for our enemy
    and the enemies of God but we should not sleep in their bed or compromise the truth of God.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    INSANE PEOPLE FEEL THAT EXECUTING A MURDERER IS MURDER. The commandment means»»»THOU SHALT NOT SPILL INNOCENT BLOOD.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, Li’l Kim, the little gay boy of Wiki Leaks, should be euthanized. But, we ADORE EVIL PEOPLE. IT’S HUMAN NATURE. Gay Nazis and the DREADED KKK are not the only people who ever lived that DESERVED TO BE HATED._____Note, I hate HOMOSEXUALITY»»»AND GAYS WHO MURDER AND RAPE CHILDREN. I don’t like the ones that go into schools teaching that SODOMY IS COOL.
    Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.—Dietrich Bonhoeffer

  • PLT SGT CHE

    There exists but one God–God Jehovah–a jealous God who commanded we entertain no other god!
    Those who would entertain, dialogue with and attempt interfaith are conspirators against God.  We can
    and shold pray for our enemy and the enemy of God; we should not compromise the Word of God to
    do it.   Christ told the deciples that if the truth were rejected–to dust off their feet and move on.  Christ
    told us a parable about sowing seed (the Word) and how sometimes it is fruitful and sometimes not.

    • DrProTruth

      @PLT SGT CHE
      In our new film “Change the Heart Change the World” we interview Stan Goodenough, journalist with The Watchman on the Wall in Jerusalem, who addresses this very subject, with these words: “As Christians we are called to–we are commanded to–love our enemies. We are not commanded to allow our enemies to destroy us. We are not commanded to allow our enemies to shut up our faith. We are not commanded to allow our enemies to push us into the sea. We are not commanded to allow our enemies to destroy the very foundations on which our faith is built. Are we commanded thereby in contrast that to actually take up weapons and fight for the faith? No, we’re not commanded to do that. But, we are not commanded to tolerate a religion that doesn’t have any tolerance of its own.”

      • Ithamar

        @DrProTruth @PLT SGT CHE You need to do a serious study on the meaning of the words translated “love” in the Scriptures. You have read the Bible with the “blinders” of a pacifist, feminized, perverted Christianity. Please explain the calls to war against the enemies of God through the Scriptures. Just what did Christ mean when He instructed His disciples to arm themselves with the sword? I think your tribe is on the precipice of being spewed out as “lukewarm” in this war with wickedness. The best modern example of possessing a Christian “love” for ones enemies is the conduct of warfare executed by the likes of R. E. Lee and T. J. Jackson as they led Christian armies in the most brutal battles.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ithamar  @DrProTruth  @PLT I feel positive that JESUS CHRIST was not along, as a participant, in these “most brutal battles”! they were teh work of man, not GOD. Satan is so good at fooling people to act in the heat of anger to do his will. Man is never happy with what GOD gives him. He wants all of his property and all the is connected to him. Because of our hate, greed and ability to commit these evils, there is coming a battle like no battle, that we have ever heard being fought.This battle will be when GOD,  in HIS ire at the evil of such as these battles, which will look like child’s play, and will end this world.
           
          After this battle, there will be seen a New Heaven and a new Earth coming down from heaven as well as a New Jerusalem. On this earth and heaven and Jerusalem there will be no wars. Each and every evil act out of the ant-GOD criminals, bring us closer to this event.  This can be found in Isiah 66:22 and inRevelation21:1-3

        • DrProTruth

          @Ithamar  @DrProTruth  @PLT Dear friend, Ithamar~ I am sorry this is so hard for you to grasp. I’ll try positioning it another way.
           
          Your approach to God’s love and dealing with our enemies and the enemies of God parallel the difference between Jesus’ example to us over against that of Peter’s example.
           
          In 1 Peter 2:12-25, when reviled and insulted, and abused and threatened, Jesus did not revile or hurl insults back, and when He was abused and threatened He did not take vengeance, rather Scripture tells us He trusted Himself and everything to Him Who judges fairly. Read the following:
           
          12 Conduct yourselves properly (honorably, righteously) among the Gentiles, so that, although they may slander you as evildoers, [yet] they may by witnessing your good deeds [come to] glorify God in the day of inspection [[a]when God shall look upon you wanderers as a pastor or shepherd looks over his flock].
          13 Be submissive to every human institution and authority for the sake of the Lord, whether it be to the emperor as supreme,
          14 Or to governors as sent by him to bring vengeance (punishment, justice) to those who do wrong and to encourage those who do good service.
          15 For it is God’s will and intention that by doing right [your good and honest lives] should silence (muzzle, gag) the ignorant charges and ill-informed criticisms of foolish persons.
          16 [Live] as free people, [yet] without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but [live at all times] as servants of God.
          17 Show respect for all men [treat them honorably]. Love the brotherhood (the Christian fraternity of which Christ is the Head). Reverence God. Honor the emperor.
          18 [You who are] household servants, be submissive to your masters with all [proper] respect, not only to those who are kind and considerate and reasonable, but also to those who are surly (overbearing, unjust, and crooked).
          19 For one is regarded favorably (is approved, acceptable, and thankworthy) if, as in the sight of God, he endures the pain of unjust suffering.
          20 [After all] what [b]kind of glory [is there in it] if, when you do wrong and are punished for it, you take it patiently? But if you bear patiently with suffering [which results] when you do right and that is undeserved, it is acceptable and pleasing to God.
          21 For even to this were you called [it is inseparable from your vocation]. For Christ also suffered for you, leaving you [His personal] example, so that you should follow in His footsteps.
          22 He was guilty of no sin, neither was deceit (guile) ever found on His lips.
          23 When He was reviled and insulted, He did not revile or offer insult in return; [when] He was abused and suffered, He made no threats [of vengeance]; but he trusted [Himself and everything] to Him Who judges fairly.
          24 He personally bore our sins in His [own] body on the tree [c][as on an altar and offered Himself on it], that we might die (cease to exist) to sin and live to righteousness. By His wounds you have been healed.
          25 For you were going astray like [so many] sheep, but now you have come back to the Shepherd and Guardian ([d]the Bishop) of your souls.
           
          When He comes face to face with the agony of the Cross, in the Garden of Gethsemane our Savior pleads with the Father to let this cup pass from Him, and yet, in the end, Jesus chooses to walk in the Spirit rather than the flesh when He aligns His will with the Father’s and concedes: “Nevertheless, not My will but Thy will be done” (Matt. 26:39).
           
          Yet, in the same Garden, that same fateful night, we see Peter handle this same situation in a much different way. Ignoring, or dismissing the Spirit, Peter chooses the flesh when he takes up the sword against their foes and cuts off the ear of one of the centurions, which Jesus immediately heals the man and rebukes Peter. There are other examples of Jesus rebuking Peter for his propensity to walk in the flesh rather than the Spirit.
           
          And, how differently would the story read if Saddrach, Meshach and Abednigo–who faced the king’s edict in the Spirit rather than the flesh–if the three teens had caved to their flesh rather than walking in the Spirit as they wisely obeyed the king and yet refused to bow to any false gods, we would not have the Fourth Man in the Fire to look back to when we face similar decisions.
           
          To that end, we must not “live after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit (Rom. 8:1; cf John 3:18). To do this requires that we obey the Law of Love that Jesus proclaims the greatest Law: “And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind (intellect) [Deut. 6:5]. This is the great 9most important, principal) and a second is like it. You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself [Lev. 19:18]. These two commandments sum up and upon them depends all the Law and the prophets.”
           
          Although, it is my desire that your eyes would be opened to these truths, it is also apparent that you have a theological agenda hat you cling to, so I do not have much confidence in this happening.

        • DrProTruth

          @Ithamar Apologies; I forgot to cite the last verses of Scripture. That is found in Matthew 22:37-40.
           
          One last thought, Scripture tells us that “without faith it is impossible to please God” (Heb. 11:6). Walking in the Spirit over against walking in the flesh requires great faith on our part–for walking in the Spirit does not come naturally to us, rather walking in the flesh is second-nature to us.
           
          Paul defines the difference between walking in the Spirit vs walking the flesh with these words: “Now the mind of the flesh [which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit] is death–death that comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter. But the mind of the (Holy) Spirit is life and soul-peace [both now and forever]. [That is] because the mind of the flesh–with its carnal thoughts and purposes–is hostile to God; for it does not submit itself to God’s Law, indeed it cannot. So then those who are living the life of the flesh–catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature–cannot please or satisfy god, or be acceptable to Him. but you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the (Holy) Spirit of God [really] dwells within you–directs and controls you” (Rom. 8:6-9).
           
          Thus, we are faced with a choice–we will either exercise our faith in God through obeying the unctions of the Spirit, or we will exercise our faith in ourselves through obeying unctions of the flesh. We simply cannot have it both ways: We either choose to walk in the Spirit or we choose to walk in the flesh–and we will live with the ramifications of which ever we choose.

      • Evermyrtle

        @DrProTruth  @PLT SGT CHE This sounds like all Christian films should sound. It is crammed with facts that are Christian and if enough people can get to see it will make a difference. It is so comforting to know that there are people out thee trying to make a difference in this “world gone crazy” I had not heard of the work that you are doing, how can we see, get, or find this type of thing. Their are so many Christians, I imagine, that did not have a clue. We have three ministers in my family, I don’ know if they are aware of your work or not. If not I am sure that they will want to see and know what is going on in your world.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @Evermyrtle  @DrProTruth
           Evermyrtle–Yes, Doc’s film and the book he’s completing are outstanding for the seeker of the truth.  You too demonstrate a love for God’s’ truth.  Thanks!
          As for myself and my family, we became scriptural members of a New testament Missionary baptist Church three years ago.  It is a small church which traces it’s origin to the first church at Jerusalem and is operated I/A/W the instructions for church conduct found in the Book of Acts.  The “Trail of blood” traces the church through persecutions from Jerusalem to today.  It is a visible stand alone
          church with Christ as the head and no earthly deviation.  However, like every  church, the New Testament Church has at it’s heart, PEOPLE, the members,
          (Saints) imperfect, equally yoked in belief and at different stages of growth.  As
          for me, I have grown in the word immensely in this church . This is by far the best church I have ever been a member of.  I am grateful a friend planted the seed that prompted us to move from a “Luke warm” church to an obedient one.
          Again, thanks for your steadfast demonstration of faith in the Saviour.

        • Evermyrtle

          @PLT SGT CHE  @Evermyrtle  @DrProTruth I would love to have  church like that one to attend. Churches today many of them so large they forget about the little important things that should be involved in worship. I have no answers on how to push this  aside and to get to the bottom of  these  problems. In such a church it would be difficult to get group involved in a false religion.
           
          With it is so much easier to have one on one relationships, to be able to discuss our doubts and fears. You cannot get lost in a small church where everybody cares for each other, where the need to keep everything  biblical, is possible.
           
              I am dedicated in my efforts to make a difference. I once taught a bible class for a small private school. I asked the children, “Is JESUS alive today?” One little girl said “No,  HE’S dead!” I asked her, “Why do you think that,” She said that she did not know why she thought it. I did explain to her that HE was alive and did my best to give her an understanding, that   why HE was alive, it was important, that HE was alive and important that she know HE was alive.This experience showed me how important it was to do all I can to see that I do not miss an opportunity to spread the gospel. I may be thought to be stupid and accused of the same and I have been but I do not allow that to bother me.Ridicule, name calling are favorite tools of those who want  to stop the spreading of HIS word.and anything that can stop HIS word will be used to stop anyone and everyone.
           
          I do not even have a high school education and am sort limited because of it but that won’t stop me.

        • DrProTruth

          @PLT SGT CHE  @Evermyrtle I have many friends who belong to the Missionary Baptist Church, one being the president of Crown Entertainment. And, I’ve worked closely with their denominational executives to help them develop a curriculum for their youth department.

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @PLT SGT CHE The DVD and the four-week Curriculum are available through CBD, among other Christian distributors. Just go to http://www.christianbook.com and enter “Change the Heart Change the World” in the search bar and it will take you to both.
          BTW–The curriculum is designed for junior high, senior high, and adult classes and addresses the following in four class settings:
          CHOICES: How to make Godly choices based on the poor choices Abraham made concerning Isaac and Ishmael, and the negative ramifications the world faces today as a result;
          CONFLICT: How to deal with conflict in a Godly way, in light of how poorly Abraham’s descendants deal with conflict today;
          CONTROL: How to turn our yield control over our lives to God, in light of how Abraham tried to fulfill God’s promise through the flesh and created an Ishmael for the world to contend with;
          COMPASSION: How to demonstrate God’s love and compassion even to our enemies–using today’s descendants of Ishmael (the Arabs) as our example.
           
          Side Note: I find it interesting that the curriculum addresses every one of Ithamar’s questions concerning how to deal with choices we make that affect our future, how to handle conflict in a Godly way, how to walk in the Spirit rather than the flesh, and how to effectively express God’s love toward our enemies in a Godly way.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @Evermyrtle  @PLT SGT CHE I have used christianbook.com many times, I just was not aware that they had this and did not even think to check it out. Thanks for the info.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I pray for my enemies to find the LIGHT. Bud, most are NEVER GOING TO GET IT. SO I
    MOCK THE MOCKERS AND SCORN THE SCORNERS. Which drives Pagans and Christian Possums, FURTHER OUT OF YOUR MINDS»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    Proverbs 3:34
    Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
    34 He shall scorn [the] scorners; and he shall give grace to mild men. (He shall mock the mockers; but he shall give favour to the humble, “or to the meek”.)
    Note; I don’t mock gays. In fact if I see one being bullied, I help if I can. ON THE OTHER HAND, I don’t SUICIDALLY try to pass out Bibles at a GAY PRIDE FUNCTION.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I pray for my enemies to find the LIGHT. But, most are NEVER GOING TO GET IT. SO I
    MOCK THE MOCKERS AND SCORN THE SCORNERS. Which drives Pagans and Christian Possums, FURTHER OUT OF YOUR MINDS»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    Proverbs 3:34
    Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
    34 He shall scorn [the] scorners; and he shall give grace to mild men. (He shall mock the mockers; but he shall give favour to the humble, “or to the meek”.)
    Note; I don’t mock gays. In fact if I see one being bullied, I help if I can. ON THE OTHER HAND, I don’t SUICIDALLY try to pass out Bibles at a GAY PRIDE FUNCTION.

  • benito44

    JC1929   That is good news that they are coming to Christ.  when they do that, they are no longer islamists and therefore not a threat to the rest of the world.  However, yes, for unconverted muslims/islamists i do want to “lock them out” of this country.  I do not trust them and their ideology is a real and present danger to my family, friends, fellow citizens, and all other non-muslims anywhere in the world.  When an 11 yr old girl is shot in the head in the streets because she “defiled” islam with the idea of education for women, then YES JC1929, I want to rid the world of those brainwashed criminals.   I cannot embrace your apparent  philosophy.  There’s an old saying i heard in Texas  “you play with snakes long enough, you’re gonna get bit”.

    • JC1929

      @benito44 What chapter and verse did you get that marvelous old saying from? Onw of the apostles, I am sure. The Living Word lives on!

      • benito44

        @JC1929  @benito44
         No chapter and verse JC1929, just good saying.  I refuse to be drawn into the sarcasm you eschew and your posturing of ultimate faith.  you can exercise your freedom of speech rights here in the US (for now) — try that in an islamic state-  the Living Word would live on, but you wouldn’t.  Even your version of the Gospels would not support your demeaning, egotistical posts.

        • JC1929

          @benito44 .Ii DON’T INTEND TO LIV.EV IN AN ISLAMIC STATE! i SEE YOU ARE FALLING FOR FEX1949’S LIES

        • JC1929

          @benito44 oh, Benito, I think I erred in another mail saying I’d never written you. I come in here today and see I had Please don’t be too hasty to call me a liar. It was a result of my age……… OLD age. .

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @benito44—Islam was likened in 1899, TO RABIES, by Winston Churchill. Communism is the greatest evil in the history of humanity. Muslims and Communists don’t allow ANY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TO LIVE.——————
      In a SANE SOCIETY, ISLAM AND COMMUNISM SHOULD BE BANNED. But, we’re SUICIDAL, IN AMERIKA.

      • oldone

        @lightvdark None so blind as them who will not see.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Note, I haven’t a clue who Bob Riley is—BUT, I’LL BET HE’S ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS.—
     Bob Riley quotes Tolerating evil leads only to more evil. And when good people stand by and do nothing while wickedness reigns, their communities will be consumed.

  • ptefft

    JC1929  What makes you so angry?  I have never heard anyone so outwardly critical and self proclaiming.  I don’t have to prove my salvation to you and regard the idea stupid.  I don’t dislike you, I dislike for pious attitude and presumptions of me.  However I do forgive you for that and hope that your anger will resolve itself someway.  May I suggest that if comments make you that upset that you refrain so that you can move on.  Really, I’m sorry if I have caused you any pain.  You made comments that I disagree with and I don’t need you to preach at me about my salvation.  Only God not you knows my heart and to presume you do is quite another subject.  Oh by the way I believe that all those who can not comprehend the grace of God and His gospel have a place in heaven and that is very much a Reformed belief.  So God bless you.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @ptefft— One of the resident DEMONIC-CUCKOO-CLOCKS, sneered at me, that I was an ATHEIST. And the little guy misspelled ever other word, doing so. It doesn’t matter why JC1929 is the way he is. He LITERALLY DOESN’T KNOW WHAT REALITY LOOKS LIKE. Anybody who REFUSES TO CONCEDE A POINT IS A SOCIOPATH** We have just elected one for the SECOND TIME, BECAUSE HE’S GOT PIGMENT IN HIS SKIN, AND, BECAUSE, HE HATES AMERICA & AMERICANS.
      http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/spiritual/inspirational_general/news.php?q=1280032066
      Habitual liars, cheats, and **sociopaths are made in such ways and it is these ones we must watch out for. If one fools you once with lying intent, shame on him.  If he fools you more than once, shame on you for choosing to believe him again and for not exposing his lies.  Esu Immanuel said, “by their actions you shall know them” and so it is.  You will know these people by observing what they do or have done versus what they say they will do or say they will do.  You can help this person and ones in his and your circle of influence by shining the light of truth on his evil behavior (unGodly words and actions

    • JC1929

      @ptefft I have been having a ball all day on this site and the hypoecrisy. I am not the least bit angry and you cannot read my mind nor my emotions. You couldn’t cause me pain. You can disagree all the way to you know where and back but you have a critical spirit you should work on. The Holy Spirit will help you if you bow to ask Him. I depend upon Him almost minute by minute. You should make his acqeuaintance.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JC1929 »»»You’d rather shoot me dead than concede a point to me. I didn’t threaten you. WHICH, IS EXACTLY WHY YOU ARE ALL READY TO KILL ME. Savage terrorists, on the other hand, you would take a bullet for. I showed you from Revelation, who IS NOT, GETTING INTO HEAVEN. COWARDS, TOPPED THE LIST.
        I hate the WICKED, AND YOU HATE ME BACK.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        I’m an ADULT. I had a friend who calls himself a Christian. Larry, cannot kill mice that come into his house, with traps. Rather, he rigs a way to catch them in 5 gallon pail, and he takes them for a ride the next day. I think the wave bye-bye to him. LARRY HATES GW BUSH, CIGARETTES AND ANY, WAR. CUCKOO, CUCKOO, CUCKOO—You can only hate ME, WHO WOULD NEVER ATTACK YOU IN A MILLENIUM OR TWO. I don’t particularly ENJOY **CATCHING MICE IN SPRING BAR TRAPS. BECAUSE, I DON’T LIKE TO HURT ANY LIVING CREATURE, BIGGER THAN A MOSQUITO, BUT, I’M THE ONLY CREATURE THAT LIVES IN MY HOUSE WITHOUT AN INVITE.——–
        Numbers 35:31
        American King James Version
        Moreover you shall ** take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JC1929»»»» I’m an ADULT. I had a friend who calls himself a Christian. Larry, cannot kill mice, in traps that come into his house, Rather, he rigs a way to catch them in 5 gallon pail, and he takes them for a ride the next day. I think they wave bye-bye to him. LARRY HATES GW BUSH, CIGARETTES AND ANY, WAR. CUCKOO, CUCKOO, CUCKOO—You can only hate ME, WHO WOULD NEVER ATTACK YOU IN A MILLENIUM OR TWO. I don’t particularly ENJOY **CATCHING MICE IN SPRING BAR TRAPS. BECAUSE, I DON’T LIKE TO HURT ANY LIVING CREATURE, BIGGER THAN A MOSQUITO, BUT, I’M THE ONLY CREATURE THAT LIVES IN MY HOUSE WITHOUT AN INVITE.——– Numbers 35:31 American King James VersionMoreover you shall ** take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @ptefft / He just doesn’t get it . You may as well be speaking Greek to him, although he will probably claim fluency in that also, and you will not be speaking the language correctly . He sees nothing wrong with what he writes. He’s right, you are wrong . Insensitive to say the least.

  • ptefft

    DR Pro Truth.  I understand fully God’s love for us but I read nothing in your comment about the hate God has for sin.  Mankind no matter who it is,  depraved and without hope save the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.  My only problem with your comments are that you do not call for the revival of ones sin and that it is an abomination in God’s eyes.  Those who only proclaim God’s love miss the point that God is very angry with His creation.  He does condemn people to everlasting hell and thats proclaimed throughout Scripture.  As a Reformed believer I along with Luther and Calvin and many more believe that God has chosen a people, elected and that others will suffer in hell.  God is soveriegn in all things and it doesn’t bother God that He has decided that some will not be forgiven.  If you read the Scriptures and really understand the whole truth it easy to see this.  I’m not preaching to you, if you are a Christian then I have brotherly love for you in Christ, we may have different theological understandings.  God’s blessings.

    • DrProTruth

      @ptefft Dear friend~ Sin is such an abomination to God that when Jesus–God’s only Son–bore our sins on the Cross on Mount Calvary, God had to turn His back toward His only Son, because God–the Most Holy God–cannot look on sin.
       
      Because, God is a just God Whose Eternal Laws are forever in their place, according to His Law, innocent blood had to be shed for the remission of sin. Jesus–the sinless Son of God–became the Sacrifice to pay the penalty of innocent blood to redeem us from our sins, according to God’s Eternal Law.
       
      Thus, as our sinless Savior hung in suspension between heaven and Hell for you and me–in our place–He cried out to His Father with these words: “Father, why have You forsaken Me?” But, it didn’t end there, for He then said: “It is finished!” meaning, He paid the price in full for our sins–He paid the ransom being held against us for our sins. His shed blood bought us back–redeemed us–from the pit of hell which is the final destination of all who reject the Son of the Living God and what He did for us on Calvary.
       
      It is for this reason that man’s punishment is eternal damnation when we reject the only Sacrifice sufficient to pay for our sins by God’s only Son, Jesus Christ. Scripture is clear that God created hell for Satan and his angels and demons, and not for mankind: “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt 25:41).
       
      Thus, man condemns himself [or herself] to eternal punishment through rejecting the Son of God Who paid the ultimate Sacrifice in the most humiliating manner of execution of that day–death by crucifixion–to redeem mankind back to God.

    • thethinman

      @ptefft Jesus work was NOT finished on the Cross – nor was the law all fulfilled at his resurrection – that will come on his return and reign for a thousand years and then the end, the final war when Satan will be loosed for the final battle.

      • DrProTruth

        @thethinman  @ptefft You misunderstand what I said, dear friend. Please re-read my comment. I do not refer to Jesus’ work as finished on the Cross–Jesus paid the price of redemption in full on the Cross–which is what Jesus refers to when He says “It is finished!” Neither do I claim the law was fulfilled at His resurrection…I do not even mention the resurrection or the law being fulfilled in my comment.

  • ptefft

    JC1929.  Again if you are a Christian I have no anger towards you in fact I am called to love you in Christ.  However, you proclaim to be knowledgeable of the Scriptures which clearly define predestination and Foreknowledge extensively.  The old testament has many references to this and the New testament is a testament not only of Jesus’s forgiveness but also the fact that He does not save everyone except the elect.  I can’t say any more about the subject, my definition of predestination is explained in Scripture.  Peace be with you.

    • JC1929

      @ptefftI don’t particularly cAre if you have anger towards me or not. Your generosity excedes your good looks so the saying goes. LOL You go by the letter of the law, not the spirit.

      • thethinman

        @JC1929  Ah, but you will be judged by the letter of the law – your deeds, not what you write or speak.  Think on that.  Jesus sacrifice may save you – but God will judge whether you are worthy of being saved by his sacrifice.  “I” dare not judge – because I KNOW my own failings.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman@JC1929
          To the contrary, Jesus is far less concerned about our deeds and far more concerned with our hearts!
           
          Jesus declares, “You have heard it said to men of old, You shall not kill…But I say to you that every one who continues to be angry with his brother or harbors malice [enmity of heart] against him shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court…” (Matt 5:21, 22a);
           
          And, “You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery, [Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18]. But I say to you that every one who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28);
           
          Or, “You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; but I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you [Prov 25:221, 22]” (Matt 5:43, 44);
           
          Or, “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant–without understanding and unable to put things together? Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen, and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited?
          But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles [him].
          For out of the heart come evil thoughts (reasonings and disputings and designs) such as murder, adultery, sexual vice, theft, false witnessing, slander and irreverent speech. These are what make a man unclean and defile [him]; but eating with hands unwashed does not make him unclean or defile [him].
           
          And, again, “Eat not the bread of him who has a hard, grudging and envious eye, neither desire his dainty foods; For as he thinks in his heart, so is he…” (Prov 23:6, 7).
           
          Yet, again, “For out of the fullness–the overflow, the superabundance–of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things” (Matt 12:34b, 35).
           
          Thus, it is the deed is far less the offense over against the heart that leads to the offense.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman@JC1929
          Your theology is way off course, dear friend. To the contrary, Jesus is far less concerned about our deeds and far more concerned with our hearts!
           
          Jesus declares, “You have heard it said to men of old, You shall not kill…But I say to you that every one who continues to be angry with his brother or harbors malice [enmity of heart] against him shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court…” (Matt 5:21, 22a);
           
          And, “You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery, [Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18]. But I say to you that every one who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28);
           
          Or, “You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; but I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you [Prov 25:221, 22]” (Matt 5:43, 44);
           
          Or, “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant–without understanding and unable to put things together? Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen, and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited?
          But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles [him].
          For out of the heart come evil thoughts (reasonings and disputings and designs) such as murder, adultery, sexual vice, theft, false witnessing, slander and irreverent speech. These are what make a man unclean and defile [him]; but eating with hands unwashed does not make him unclean or defile [him].
           
          And, again, “Eat not the bread of him who has a hard, grudging and envious eye, neither desire his dainty foods; For as he thinks in his heart, so is he…” (Prov 23:6, 7).
           
          Yet, again, “For out of the fullness–the overflow, the superabundance–of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things” (Matt 12:34b, 35).
           
          Thus, it is the deed is far less the offense over against the heart that leads to the offense.

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  WE are going to find out what God judges each of us for.  I learned to read early and one of the earliest books I read was the Bible – comprehending little, but little by little, over the years – I began to understand the TWO great commands that Jesus gave that HE said covered ALL of the law and the prophets.  Love God with all your might & love thy neighbor as thyself.

  • Pam in Cedar Rapids IA

    I have stated for four years now that our President is a Wolf in sheep’s clothing, and keep in mind how pleased he was when the Muslim Brotherhood was “voted in,” in Egypt.  He has spoken out of both sides of his mouth, stating a couple years ago that he is a Christain, but if you listen to the debate he had with Alan Keyes in 2004, when running for the Senate, he very frankly stated that he is a Muslim, and we have seen numerous evidence of this these past four years he has been in office.  He and the Muslim Brotherhood are a serious threat to our beloved America.  I CANNOT believe that Americans were so blind and foolish to have voted him in again to the highest office in our land.  The damage that he has done to our country these past four years is mind-boggling!  We WILL NOT KNOW the America we have called, “Home of the brave and land of the free,” four years from now.  Truly, we are headed for Communism and the very sad fact is, that people will not recognize this until it is too late. 
     
    God, please Bless America!
    Pam
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa

    • Kissitgoodbye

      @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA / Then it will be too late!

    • SharonMillhouseAnderson

      @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA Your preaching to the choir.   He is not an American,,has no right to be president and a muslim to boot.  He is trying to take over the country with his appointments that are just like him…hate filled for the American people…and he does hate us.  His wife even said when he was voted in the first time…THis is the first time I am proud of America…They neither one love this country.  He wants to destroy us,,,and because of political correctness and the fact that if you dont vote for him or you speak out against him, then you have to be a raceist….what a crock…I woundn’t vote for him for dog catcher…and not because of his color…because of his political stance and the deceit he has already done to this country. He is a lier,,,lier…lier…the ones that are hate filled and raceist are the ones saying that anyone who speaks out against evil is ….they are the ones that are the true evil and let by the evil one themselves….and by the by…God does love them and he will right up to the gates of hell…

      • graybuffalo

        @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA Amen to that!
        Obama is following the Cloward-Piven strategy developed by two “professors” at Columbia University.  The plan calls for the destruction of capitalism in America by swelling the welfare rolls and monumental debt to the point of collapsing our economy and then implementing socialism by nationalizing many private institutions.  Think about it.  Everything Obama has done since being in office – in the guise of trying to improve our economy – is totally the polar opposite of what common sense dictates.  His wild, unproductive spending totals more than all of the Presidents before him – combined! And that includes financing WWII, Korean War, Vietnam, etc. – incredible!  And what do we have to show for it?  Record unemployment, $4,000 per year less for American families, $2,200 more per year for the families’ gas than under Bush, record debt, division of America – he has created the mythical “war on women,” class warfare, race warfare, all to further his political agenda and his ideologic agenda which is to “fundamentally change” America to a Totalitarian Socialist/Communist State with the people totally dependent upon the Government and in servitude to the Government.  Goodbye freedom, goodbye private ownership, goodbye free enterprise.  Welcome to Barack Hussein’s Amerika!

        • DrProTruth

          @graybuffalo  @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA I could not agree more, graybuffalo! If more Americans–and Christians in particular–had their eyes as wide open as yourself, no amount of cheating or lying or voter fraud could have put this maniacal despot back into the White House! To think this man actually sits in the Oval Office a second time with impunity, because not a single U.S. Senator –Democrat or Republican–would have the nerve to stand with our Constitution and bring charges against this fraud who so obviously is not a natural born U.S. citizen simply boggles the mind!

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  It’s not a Senator that is needed – it is a member of the House of Representatives.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman Thanks for catching that!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @graybuffalo  @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA We have many “Gutless Wonders” in the WH in DC. This is not GOD’S plan for our country, we came to this point with the leadership of Satan not GOD.

        • DrProTruth

          @graybuffalo  @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA Oops…I should have said the House…

        • thethinman

          @graybuffalo  @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA and with the complicit agreement of more than half of voting Americans – Obama is succeeding.

        • thethinman

          @Evermyrtle  and I’m sure neither you nor I know what God’s plan for this country is.  We are NOT his people – so how He chooses, or doesn’t choose, to use us, He will.

      • Evermyrtle

        @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA They won’t allow what I think of to be printed!!

        • thethinman

          @Evermyrtle  @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA from your fingertips to God’s eyes – and let him judge.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA I have had scriptures removed, as well as the truth that cannot be printed here.

      • thethinman

        @SharonMillhouseAnderson  @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA It shall be seen, maybe, what he is or isn’t.  but most likely – he will be president for at least four more years.  God willing or unwilling.

    • Rex1949

      @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA Well said Pam. well said. Thanks!

    • Evermyrtle

      @Pam in Cedar Rapids IA And now those creeps are acting like they were given permission to take over.There is no end of trouble that those ingrates will cause as they demands  from  Israel and they will take  an inch there will take a mile for every inch they get. I believe Israel will dig in and keep what she has.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    ONE MORE TIME, YOU FAUX-CHRISTIAN-POSSUMS— Numbers 35:31»American King James Version– Moreover you shall TAKE NO SATISFACTION for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: BUT HE SHALL BE SURELY PUT TO DEATH(emphasis).

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    So, you FORGIVERS OF ONLY EVIL»»»You either APPROVE OF THEIR WICKNEDNESS, OR YOU ARE TOO COWARDLY, TO REBUKE AND CHASTEN THEM.
    http://heartoftn.net/users/gary27/SinOf.htm
    When the children of Israel first entered the land of Cannan, God ordered the people of that land destroyed because they were tolerant of human sacrifice (abortion), immorality, and false religion (Deuteronomy 20:17). Some time later, God’s wrath was poured out on the children of Benjamin because they had become tolerant of evil (Judges 19:22-30 and 20:1-48)

    • thethinman

      @lightvdark It was not abortion – it was passing living children through the fire of Molech.  And, IF “I” understand it correctly – God didn’t want his people to be infested with these practices – which he knew they would be and which did happen because they failed to commit genocide against the Canaanites as he commanded and clear the land of them.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @thethinman ABORTION, IS AN UPDATED VERSION OF IT. 56,000,000 and counting, Ahmed.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @thethinman, AmeriKa IS INFESTED WITH LIBERALISM, CHRISTIAN -COWARDICE AND SYMPATHY ONLY, FOR EVIL¿!¡

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark
      • NavyJR

        @thethinman  So it’s okay to scald a living child in utero, for CONVENIENCE but not to pass it through fire to Moloch?  Somehow that doesn’t track so well to me!  I don’t think the God Who forbade the one approves of the other either!

        • thethinman

          @NavyJR Abortion is wrong and “I” believe that God doesn’t look on it with favor.  But abortion is not sacrificing a child to an idol.  They are both WRONG.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    All LIBERALISM IS, IS THE INABILITY TO ACCEPT REALITY AND TRUTH. EVIL, ACTUALLY.
    Actually calling homosexuals, GAY, is analagous to saying that Islam is a PEACFUL FAITH.
    Mohammed had a 6 year old wife named Aisha. Moh was poisoned by the JEWISH WIDOW, OF ONE OF HIS MURDER VICTIMS.————————————————————
    http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0508_Sandlin_-_Gods_Enemi.html
    “If any man preach another gospel than ye have received, let him be accursed” (Gal. 1:9). The idea of a Christian’s hating not only wickedness but wicked people is largely incompatible with the religious sentimentalism [COWARDICE] pervasive in modern Western Christianity epitomized in the popular but spurious expression, “Love the sinner; hate the sin(DUDE, THAT’S FUGGIN GAY).

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      I DESPISE Atheism and Islam. Notice, I didn’t mention any OTHER RELIGIONS. BECAUSE, no other religion advocates MASS MURDER, SUICIDE-BOMBING AND CHILD MOLESTATION, YOU SUICIDAL, IMBECILIC-HALFWITS

      • thethinman

        @lightvdark Nor does Islam advocate such.  Just as there are “christians” of all stripes that agree with infanticide – abortion and homosexuality (gay).  Tell me about the conquest of the America’s by the Spaniards and Protuguese or North America by the French and English “Christians” – then talk to me again some day about Islam.  “I” despise PEOPLE who use religion (any religion) as an excuse to do wrong.

        • Evermyrtle

          @thethinman  @lightvdark I believe you are a Christian or you are not a Christian which means while you are a Christian you are saved. There are thousands that claim Christianity but are as far from Christianity as I am of being a beautiful rose that I could claim to be. In other words “You are not a Christian just because you claim to be.  Obama said he was Christian at one time since he became president or maybe shortly before.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @thethinman**** Muslims murder Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Jews, each other and yourselves. You are almost as evil as the Satanic-Communists—Hate me all you wish.»»»»»»
          But Islam tells Muslims differently, and that is why Buddhists in Burma are having the same problems with Muslim entitlement with which Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Christians in Nigeria, and Baha’i in Iran are all too familiar.””You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land”  ” Muhammad http://thereligionofpeace.com/

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          I have spoken to Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus, about the evils of godlessness, CHRISTIAN PACIFISM and ISLAM.
          FAUX_CHRISTIAN_POSSUMS, HATE ME AS BAD AS MUSLIMS AND GAYTHEISTS DO. SO, I NEVER EVEN ATTEMPT TO SPEAK TO THE SUICIDAL CLOWNS.

        • thethinman

          @Evermyrtle  “I” consider myself a “disciple” of Jesus the Christ.  I am not, as you said, a Christian – not in the sense that most Americans consider Christianity and follow the tenants of a particular dogma, denomination, sect, or cult of Jesus.  My God is the Creator of All that is; He is from before the beginning and will be after the end, he changes not.  I believe as Benjamin Franklin says: “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho’ it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble.”

        • thethinman

          @Evermyrtle  saved from what, for what?

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark and Christians have murdered all of the above as well.  You may “hate” yourself – I have no reason to hate you – words are not reasons for hate.  At the moment Satan is “lord” of the earth, until Jesus returns and he is locked away for a thousand years – then the final battle – a new heaven and a new earth – and Jesus will inherit his world – Lord of Lords and King of KIngs – world without end.
           
          IN this life, we are born where we are born – and our religion, what we believe is pretty much driven by that “where we are born”.  “WE” believe that the earth is the Lords, and the fulness thereof.    but to a believer in Islam – Allah is God of all, and Mohammed is HIS prophet.  If you had been born in India – there is a greater chance you would be a Hindu than a believer in Jesus and God his Father.  If you had been born in Tibet – you’d be a Lamaist Buddhist.  If you had been born in Russia, you’d be Russian Orthodox and if in Greece, Greek Orthodox.  Even in the United States – the region you are born in may determine your exact denomination or the way you believe what you believe.

  • graybuffalo

    I am now ashamed to say that I am an Episcopalian.  But not for long.  I am leaving the church.  This is absolutely, unequivocally sickening.  To allow any religion which condones beating of women, rape of adolescent boys and girls, killing of “infidels” – defined as anyone who is not of Islamic faith, to coalesce with a God-based religion is morally corrupt.  All Muslims study and abide by the teachings of the Holy Qur’an which is the most vile despicable book on the planet. – it is not just extremists – it is All Muslims. Secure an English/Arabic version and read this vile book.   Wake up American!  Their global agenda calls for complete and total world-wide domination.  Any infidel who refuses to convert to Islam is commanded by their “god” Allah to be killed.  Their own Imam “holy men” unabashedly say that they will populate countries around the world, work their way into key positions of said governments, implement Shariah Law, and bring about total Islamization of said countries.  Well, we now have two Congressmen who are Muslim – Minnesota and Indiana.  And arguably, sitting in the Oval Office.
    Wake up America, before it is too late!

    • Rex1949

      @graybuffalo : Your right there. A lot do not understand the principals of Muslim Laws and there Beliefs. Thanks. At least you know and see what Muslims are all about. JC2929 thinks Muslims are great people. Yet he reads Books against our religious ways and uses them as weapons against Christians who believe in the true God.Thanks for realizing the truth.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 I M TRYING TO REACH THE END OF COMMENTS SO ICANCOMFORTABLY LEAVE. BUT i DIDN’T WANT TO MISS ANY MIORE COMMENTS TO OR ABOUT ME. YOU DIDN’T DISAPOINT ME DID YOU, HONEY? hERE IS ONE MORE NASTY CRACK ABOUT ME AND AGAIN SAYING I AM A HE. I AM AN 83 YEAR OD NICE LADY AND I LOVE MY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. DO YOU? HARD TO TELL.

    • DrProTruth

      @graybuffalo I agree with everything you say, but I would like to clarify one thing. From my extensive research on this subject, I have discovered the average Muslim in the Middle East doesn’t even read the Qur’an, as many of them are not literate, and if they are, they cannot read the original text of the Qur’an written in Ancient Arabic. The average Muslims simply want to live their lives just like you and I–send their kids to school, have family functions, take care of their parents and grandparents. However, they have no choice but to perform acts of terrorism, otherwise they or their family members face beheading, or worse.
       
      Again, I only speak of the average Muslims. There are those like Kamal Saleem, who was born into a fundamentalist Islam family whose allegiance was to the Muslim Brotherhood, or like Mosab Hassan Yousef, who was born into a conservative Sunni Muslim family whose father was one of the five founders of the radical Islam terrorist organization, Hamas.
       
      Although, all are a threat to every free society, it is important to make the distinction that there is still that element of average Muslims who just wants to live their lives and raise their families just like us.
       
      THE OVERARCHING MESSAGE IS STILL “WAKE UP AMERICA, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @graybuffalo The important thing is that you discovered the evil are no longer in it. We all have made mistakes and likely the church has increased in it’s lack of GODLY works as time. Just thank GOD that you realized what was going on and got out.passed.

      • DrProTruth

        @Evermyrtle  @graybuffalo I’m not quite sure what you mean in your comment, Evermyrtle. Of what evil do you think I said I was a part that I am now no longer a part?
         
        What I said in my comment to graybuffalo addresses the common misconception that average Muslims read the Qur’an and abide by it. When the truth is the average Muslim does not even read the Qur’an, and if they do, they are not reading the original text written in Ancient Arabic, because today’s average Muslim cannot speak Ancient Arabic but are taught Modern Arabic.
         
        I hope this clears things up for you. Blessings~

      • DrProTruth

        @Evermyrtle@graybuffalo
        I’m not quite sure what you mean in your comment, Evermyrtle. Of what evil do you think I said I was a part that I am now no longer a part?
         
        In my comment to graybuffalo, I agreed with everything he said except the common misconception that average Muslims read the Qur’an and abide by it. When the truth is the average Muslim does not even read the Qur’an, and if they do, they are not reading the original text written in Ancient Arabic, because today’s average Muslim cannot speak Ancient Arabic but are taught Modern Arabic.
         
        I hope this clears things up for you. Blessings~

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @graybuffalo  I think that  I was referring to graybuffalo gettong out the Episcopal church

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @graybuffalo That makes sense!! LOL

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth not exactly a reply but I just wanted to say goodye as I’d had enough. Will “meet” you in the dvd. It has been shipped.

    • thethinman

      @graybuffalo Now you are ashamed.  Yet the head of your church for years has been a woman; ever read YOUR bible – 1 Tiimothy chapter three.  and there are elected homosexual priests and bishops – the practice of which is an “abomination” before God?
       
      “I” have read ONE English translation of the Qur’an.  I found nothing vile or despicable – although based on MY upbringing – I did find some of it “funny” – if that is the correct word.  MUCH of what is in the Qur’an are the same laws as are in the Old Testament.  And though Jesus believed in those laws – Christians seem to be able take or leave them as suits them.
       
      There is but ONE GOD, the father of all, without beginning or end, the same from the beginning to the end, changing not.   There is Jesus, the Messiah (Kristos in Greek, Christ in English – a descriptive adjective rather than a surname as most seem to believe), the only begotten Son of God whose inheritance will be this earth, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  There is the Holy Spirit that emanates from God – it is how He does his work through the Sons of God (the angels) and through men.

  • PLT SGT CHE

    Doc ProTruth—Born a muslim i’slamic halffricanArab, indoctrinated i’slamic in Indonesia, 
    mentered by a radical black communist (Franklin Marshall Davis)–influenced by William
    Ayers, Dorn, Farakhan, Wright and et al negative influences, he adopted, makes Ba’rack
    Hus’sein Oba’ma the very “Stranger in our midst who has risen high above as we are
    brought down very low.”  Oba’ma stated in 2008 his intention, just like Hitler did in Mein
    Koph,  “WE have just 5-days untill WE begin the fundamental transformation of America.”
    Still, despite the many many red flags, U.S. citizens elected Oba’ma and a return to the
    very bondage our forefathers bled and died to defeat?  Clearly a foolish spoiled people
    get the leaders they deserve.  As PotUS, Oba’ma has surrounded himself with communist
    deviants, feminist’s and other lawless usurpers who are dedicated to the transformation
    of our America–our refuge.  Racism, deviancy, dishonesty, theft, trickery and outright
    flagrant lies are the cornerstones of the Oba’ma hijacking-in-progress, our people have
    invited to enslave them; IMHO.  Infantacide, homosex agenda promotion, invented “War
    on women,” race baiting and communist redistribution coupled with global meddling
    insures a serious attack on a demoralized America by islamist communist forces who
    know that Ba’rack Hussein Oba;ma is on their side against WE THE PEOPLE who have
    elected to be herded; just as the German masses allowed a maniac to mis-lead them to
    their destruction.  The question remains:  What will the history unfolding before our eyes
    result in?  Are we on the preficice of global war, with weapons far advanced over all
    weapons ever employed, in the hands of fools no different than the fools of history? 
    Repent and be saved, be scripturally baptised, become a member of a scripturally approved
    church and serve God.  May God bless and keep His remnant of believers as promised in His
    Holy Word.  STAND with God, STAND for the persecuted Israeli’s and STAND for the truth.

    • DrProTruth

      @PLT SGT CHE PLT~ I answered your post last night, but I cannot find it anywhere! Everything you say in your post is absolute truth! In fact, one thing you left out is that Hitler’s hale of Mein Kampf means “My Struggle” or “My Battle!” Sound familiar? Jihad means “Inner Struggle!” To that end, what we can expect from Jihad is exactly the same as Hitler brought to the world through his malevolent ideology–only death and destruction through today’s Hitler Regime–Radical Islam.
       
      This is why it is so important that we, as Christians, begin to pray for the enlightenment of the Jewish people and the salvation of the Muslim people as if our lives depended upon. For, in reality, they do! We’ve seen how ineffective the politicians and world leaders have been in mitigating the Middle East wars.
       
      On the other hand, what we see is when a Muslim or a Jew comes to faith in Christ, there is an immediate love and affection for one another that cannot be accomplished through any other means than changed hearts through Yeshua haMashiach, Jesus the Messiah. It is only through Jesus, the Prince of Peace, that real and lasting peace can come to the Middle East!

      • PLT SGT CHE

        @DrProTruthDoc–Correct!  Yes, I was aware of Hitlers “My Struggle” and the
        correlation with the “Inner struggle” the q’uran instructs.  Doc, I have studied the phenom of i’slam since the massacre of the Jewish athletes at Munich in 1972.  Additionally I studied the terrorist mindset of the Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians and et al i’slamic mania against the Jews beginning in 48.  I’slam is no religion of “Peace” as kaffirs and dhimmi’s would mislead us to believe; indeed, i’slam was intentionally invented to be diametrically opposed to truth, the golden rule and God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  The invention, i’slam, has but one goal; world conquest and domination or murder of all non adherents of i’slam!
        Liberals and the naive foolishly believe we can “Negotiate” with i’slamic Ayatollas; they are badly mistaken!  The fictional character”Allah” does not leave room for negotiation, peace or brotherly love–non i’slamics are targets–period.  You are correct:  We must pray fervently for God to exercise His promise to protect our Jewish bretheren while also praying that blind i’slamic adherents will find peace through the Word of God.  Finally, we must pray for all of Gods’ creation because men have failed miserably to avoid the global tragedy that is unfolding even as we converse.  One could say that 1938 is being reenacted in 2012.  History is a cruel truthteller–still history repeats.  MT 24: makes clear there will be wars and rumors of wars; James says war comes from our members, in any case war is a disease men have not found a cure for.  I’slamic puppet masters of the S’hia sect demand war and global chaos to speed the return of the 12th Imam–another invention.
        Thanks for your commo… PS:  Please pray also for our soldiers, sailors airmen, marines and coast guardsmen who faithfully struggle against the insane struggle of i’slam, communism, Natzism and the feminization of the military they serve in.  Ba’rack Hus’sein Oba’ma is not on their side–but he is diametrically opposed to their victory over evil; IMHO!

        • DrProTruth

          @PLT SGT CHE Dear friend, PLT~ You have studied this subject far longer than I. To research the topic to write an academic paper, a PhD dissertation, a TV film and a curriculum, I began my studies in 2007.
           
          What you say is true. Although, if you were to ask any Muslim if Islam is a religion of peace, their immediate response would be ‘a hearty, YES!’ But to stop the query with this one question does not reveal anything of their agenda.
           
          When a Jew, Gentile, or Atheist for that matter, defines peace, without skipping a beat, each will define peace as coexisting with those of the same ideology as well as with those of differing ideologies.
           
          Conversely, a Muslim defines peace as total world domination–until every person says “There is no god but allah, and mohammad his prophet.” This will supposedly usher in the 12th Imam, their so-called version of a messiah.
           
          Islam is nothing more than plagiarism of Judaism and Christianity wrapped up into one perverted wannabe religion. They actually believe that Jesus is their messiah! But that He is not the Son of God, because allah has no children. They assert Jesus lied to the world when He said He went to the Cross, and that He will reveal this as a lie when He comes back. Islam if surfeit with blasphemies like this throughout its teachings. A malevolent movement if there ever was one!!!
           
          BUT GOD–IS THE EVERLASTING GOD WHO SITS ON THE THRONE OF ALL THAT EXISTS THROUGHOUT ETERNITY!
           
          AND HIS SON–TO WHOM EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD!

        • thethinman

          @PLT SGT CHE  @DrProTruth What Islam is today is NOT what Islam was in the beginning.  “I” am not a believer in Islam – but what you say is NOT correct.  It most certainly IS what certain factions of Islam have turned it into. 
           
          In it’s day – Christianity was something other than what it is today – a wimpy effeminate religion – Jesus did NOT come to start a new “religion” or church.  Jesus went to Temple.  His disciples on the day of His ascension went to the Temple to praise God.  THEN Christianity took the turn of being a church, complete with a hierarchy of Popes, Bishops, Patriarchs and Priests that were no more or less than a royal theocracy – and at times no better than Muslims today.   Islam rose to great power under various “monarchs” and leaders, Suleiman the Magnificent a great example.  Then there were the crusades.  All that was forgotten as The “New World” was ransacked over religion, as were the Philippines and Japan, and the real god of Western Europeans – GOLD.  Then, except for the internecine warfare among Christian Sects/denominations and Islamic sects with each other – religion sort of cooled, each spreading out it’s beliefs in their spheres of influence.
           
          The resurgence of Islamic hatred towards the west has more to do with the wests spreading hedonism and irreligious imorality  –  than with any desire for Islam to conquer the world.  Once upon a time that was the theme of Christianity – and now that we are in the pickle we are in – we complain about Islam and the spread of Islam.
           
          In the same vein – it was fine for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic to break apart back into their sovereign states – but it isn’t for the United States of America to break apart and be their own Sovereign state once more.  We took the land we call the United States from the indigenous people, drove them into little pockets of reservations – yet we scream and cry when Israel – who was attacked by Islamic states and no only held their ground but attached adjoining land – they should give it back – WHY?  ARE you going to give the Native American’s their land back?

        • NavyJR

          @DrProTruth@PLT SGT CHE Islam is a bit more than that.  Drs Walid and Ted Shoebat, Muslim historians, released a report within the past month indicating that the “Allah” of Islam is the moon god from Ur of the Chaldees that Abram left to avoid worshipping, but they traced “Allah” even further back in history,  to a deity known as “Alla” {not a typo}, who was a god of violence and warfare.  Seems to me, Muhammad was very well acquainted with THAT “Alla”; he certainly practiced those things during his lifetime.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @PLT SGT CHE Thanks, for your perspective. I agree on many counts, and address these issues in my works.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @PLT SGT CHE I would be interested to know more about your background, and more about your research and your findings. If you’re agreeable to providing this information, you can leave it on our blog on our website is http://www.paracletepro.com. Blessings~

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  @PLT SGT CHE Mostly I have been reading books about Islam and other religions that were written pre 9/11.
           
          “Days of our Years” by Pierre van Paassen – particularly Chapter 8 “After Seven Centuries”.  The Dial Press ©1940
           
          “A History of the Arab Peoples”, Albert Hourani, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press©1991
           
          “The World’s Great Religions”, Life  Time Inc©1957

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @PLT SGT CHE Thanks! I believe I have “A History of the Arab Peoples,” Pierre van Paassen, but not the two others.

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @thethinman  @DrProTruth
           Thinman– From the beginning, in Mecca and then Medina, i’slam was designed to be diametrically opposed to Judaism, Christianity and all “Unbelievers.”  I do not say that lightly;  it is self evident because Mohammad immediately began killing Jews in Saudi Arabia–during the 7th century–long before the crusades, long before America and long before Arabs were looked upon as the seed of Ishmael by non i’slamics–IMHO.  As for Christianity, the first church was at Jerusalem; long before popes, bishops or a “Hierarchy.”  The true church is THE church that Christ started–made of people HE led–the deciples.  The Catholic church is NOT the true church; rather it is invention, distortion and  an abomination to God.  The New testament Church lives today and it’s conduct and doctrines are as instructed in the book of Acts–and as Christ taught.  One need look no further than CH 1-3 of Revelation to see how Christ spoke to the 7-churches of Asia (modern day Turkey) to find Christianty’s strengths and weaknesses.  The TRUE church has no man, organization or hierarchy; Jesus Christ is the one and only head of the true church.  Violation of this doctrine is sufficient to cause a “Church” to have it’s candlestick or light extinguished; be-
          come dead to Christ–the head of the true Christian church.  As for the west’s
          spreading of “Hedonism and immorality”  show me the sinless i’slamic nation–any nation–Hindu, Buddist, Confusinism or et al faiths?  Yes, America is sinful–ALL men are sinners and fall short of the glory of God.  Yes, we are as filthy rags; in the eyes of God.  I perceived in your tone a bit of pretense and hostility; even defense of i’slamic justification for their inexcusable inhumanity that all men are capable of—yes i’slamics also.  War is hell,
          especially for the participants–been there and done that.  Never have I, as a fighting man, been tempted to blow myself up in a homocide bombing to kill or shed “Innocent blood.”  I’slamics do even worse and intend to continue until their invented 12th Imam returns.  How will they explain female genital mutilation, honor murder, hatred of Jews and Christians, deviancy from the truth of the only Creator and Saviour jesus Christ?  As for the Native American (Indians),  just like all men, they were killing each other before whitey got here–they are my brothers and I am their’s.  I have served with them in OUR armed forces, bled with them, suffered with them and loved them; in and out of the combat zone–they to are Gods creation….. America and the west are not solely responsible for the pitiful state of mankind-sin is;
          and sin is a human frailty.  If I misinterpreted your post, sin loi minh yoi—
          (sorry bout that)

        • PLT SGT CHE

          @NavyJR  @DrProTruth
           I have read the same account and accept it as the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.  I’slam was (intentionally invented) to be diametrically opposed to the truth; 180-degrees out of sync with Judaism, Christianity and et al “Unbelievers” i’slamics, the Q’uran, Hadith’s designate to be inferior to themselves.  It is insanity on steroids by choice; no different than Natziism,
          communism and other isms.

        • Pat78

          @thethinman  @PLT SGT CHE  @DrProTruth   Wait a minute on redefining Christianity and Islam.  Jesus was Jewish.  During the Last Supper, He established the ritual of the Holy Eucharist and it’s importance.  Gospel of John Ch. 6 explains it all well.  He established the priesthood of the New Covenant, which replace the previous Covenant that God had with the Jewish people, that later (about 140 AD) became known as the Catholic Church , naming Peter the head.  Further explanation of the hierarchy of the Church and the formation of the new Church is explained in the Book of Acts and in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Apostolic succession in the Catholic Church can be traced all the way to Peter.  This was all factual and wasn’t questioned until the mid 1500’s when Martin Luther voiced his objections.  It was not his intent to cause a schism in the Catholic Church that continues even today.   We continue to pray that the Church will be united.  The reenactment of the Last Supper is still one of the two central focal points of the Catholic Mass today–the other being the scripture readings in the first half of the Mass.
           
          I believe what DrProTruth has written about the history of Islam is TRUTH.

        • thethinman

          @PLT SGT CHE  @DrProTruth Part truth – part I wonder.  It seems that at first Mohammed aligned with the Jews – they were sort of partners – something happened in the relationship and they became enemies.  Originally they did not face Mecca in their daily prayers but towards Jerusalem.
           
          It is NOT Islam that has people blow themselves up – it is the people that twist the words and glorify the killing – Christianity has done that in times past as well.  But Islam does NOT teach that one should strap a bomb on ones body and blow oneself up on a bus, nor does it teach that rockets should be aimed at a school full of children – these are the evils that MEN do in the name of religion.
           
          Christianity is no more tolerant of “infidels” than is Islam – it’s a point of perspective from the two different religions.  To die or fight for “Christ” (the crusades) was as certain a way to attain heaven as for a Muslim to die killing the “infidels”.  How do you explain Christians hatred for Jews and Muslims?  that “I” understand that you believe that Jesus is God and your Savior – but that makes you no more right than it makes the Mohammedan right to believe in the Prophet Mohammed and in Allah as the ONLY God.
           
          Because the “Native American Indians” were killing each other – so were Europeans – make it right to drive them off of  their land.
           
          you are correct – the West is NOT totally responsible for the depravity and sin of man – nor was it my intention to imply that – but it is true for the Islamic religion and culture – that western civilization has not brought it’s best foot forward – but very often it’s worst.  And especially Americans – have the habit of forcing their beliefs and culture onto others – and all humans are susceptible to what America seems to stand for – money and hedonistic self centered pleasure – heedless of the moral and cultural consequences.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @PLT SGT CHE Our friend, thethinman~ This is spoken–not like a mere follower of Islam–but like a true follower of radical Islam. Watch out–your slip is showing…

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  Ahhhh.  If you only knew.  I do not “follow” Islam – although I have always been curious about what other people believe.  You see, my problem is that “I” believe in God – and “I” believe the Christianity is a corruption of the true teachings of Jesus.  It is said that Thomas Jefferson cut the words of Jesus out of his bible and that is what he followed/believed – not the words of Paul or his teachings.  The words that were said to be the words of Jesus – which sometimes contradict the teachings of “Christianity”.
           
          I’ve been bombarded all my life with “belief in Jesus and his dying on the cross, shedding his blood, … etc: will save you.   Yet,Jesus taught in the The Parable of the Good Samaritan  Luke 10:25-37 (NIV)
           
          25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
          26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
          27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
          28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
          29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
          30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
          36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
          37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
          Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
           
           
          I often play the “devils” advocate with Islam – because I have read on it – and what we see today is NOT what is in the Qur’an nor how Islam was created.  It is the result of years of hatred and the teaching of men rather than the teaching of Mohammed.  Just as what happened in the Roman Catholic Church is NOT what the Bible, not even their Vulgate, taught about Jesus and Christianity – the crusades, the inquisition, nor the decimation of the native peoples of the Americas all behind the Cross (and the sword).
           
          Christians – according to Jesus commission to the disciples – was to spread the gospel – not one time did he tell them to force it on people – but that if people did not accept, they were to knock the dust from their feet as they left.
           
          As I read it, Mohammed was pretty much fighting for his life, and the life of his clan/family.  It is NOT my responsibility to determine if his visions were from God or not.  But while he gave the visions – his followers “wrote the book” – but Islam as a religion was not developed in Arabia – not in Mecca nor Medina – it was developed and codified in Iraq after Mohammed’s death.
           
          There is so much “I” don’t know – except that religion is a very poor excuse to go around killing one another.  Loot, gold, land, revenge – yes – I can see that clearly – but because someone believes or doesn’t believe that their way is the only way – what foolishness.

        • NavyJR

          @PLT SGT CHE  @DrProTruth They come from the same basic source, i suspect, in the long run.  And had it come from non-Muslim practitioners I’d doubt it, but those men still practice that and said that’s the origin, so I also don’t doubt it in the least.

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  PS – I don’t wear slips – thank you anyway.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman I have a copy of the Jefferson Bible in my library. I used it to research the dissertation I wrote on Truth.
           
          What Jefferson did was to remove every supernatural event from the Bible thereby reducing it in size to about 170 pages.

      • thethinman

        @DrProTruth  The “Prince of Peace” that said he did not bring peace, but a sword.

  • ptefft

    JC1929.  I graciously and humbly bow out from any further conversation with you because of your hatred, demeaning and pious attitude towards me and others.  You are truly an angry and revengeful person, accepting nothing but what you think is true.  I would also recommend to others on this blog to ignore your comments because you are hurtful, condescending with much malcontent.  I hope one day God will fill you with joy and happiness and a true understanding of what it means to be Christian.  Bye, bye.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft BYE! DO HAVE A NICE DAY! I sit here on day two chuckling at your brisling babble. Angry I am not. Why do you persist in your name calling . The Holy Spirir fills me daily with holy joy in which such anger as you wrongly describe cannot survive.
      I came in here today,,, the next day after the piece came out…to enjoy some more laughter…I am not disappointed. You just cannor let you ranting end, can you?
      Oh you are a joy to correspond with!
      Have a good day. ROFLOL

      • Rex1949

        @JC1929 Your know what JC1929 You wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in the face. You talk about your love for Christ. when your a sheep in wolves clothing. And we all know you #1. Love Muslim faith. Which is sin in the eyes of the Lord. As you won’t and deny any thing bad Muslims belief. Actually your in 100% denial. And you read those nasty Science Books who the authors claim to be the true 100% truth when actually they are in denial of the Lord and the truth. You don’t have a clue what your talking about. #3. You don’t read the bible in the context it represents. As you skip verses etc and read only what your looking for your self and not the truth in it itself. Your a complete 100% moron. Your conceptive thinking is messed up. Your hearing what this says and that party says and coming up with basic ideas what you iterpret to be facts in your version. That is what it is all about. Nothing else. You are not a Christian like you say either. Your nothing mere then a sheep in wolves clothing. So eat that why don’t you!

        • thethinman

          @Rex1949  YOu know – you sound just like a Christian – I’m certain Jesus is proud of you.

        • JC1929

          @Rex1949 Where did all did stuff come from about “science books”? I never read science books, nor did even bring up the subject.

    • JC1929

      @ptefft BYE! DO HAVE A NICE DAY! I sit here on day two chuckling at your brisling babble. Angry I am not. Why do you persist in your name calling . The Holy Spirir fills me daily with holy joy in which such anger as you wrongly describe cannot survive.
      I came in here today,,, the next day after the piece came out…to enjoy some more laughter…I am not disappointed. You just cannor let you ranting end, can you?
      Oh you are a joy to correspond with!
      Have a good day. ROFLOL
      sORRY, IT WAS STILL ON A WHITE GROUND SO THOUGHT IT WAS STILL HERE.. I WON’T TRY AGAIN.

    • Troy

      @ptefft I could not agree with you more. I think these guys stay up all night trying to imagine the worst possible things that could happen to us and then they publish their nonsense as “factual”. They very rarely include reliable sources that would supposedly support their stupidity. They don’t have a clue as to what it means to publish reliably. I also would advise anyone on this blog to remove themselves from it.
      Thank you ptefft

    • JC1929

      @ptefft bye bye. I think all these comments you accuse me of saying come form someone else. Science books.I never mentionede science books! Joy, I have lots of joy. I do beleive you are demented.I am not a man! I am a very old lady! Ready to join Jesus in heaven. I have malice toward none. I mind my own business and why don’t you mind yours!

  • Rex1949

    JC1929: In reagrds to your message. have I ever saved someone. Yes! I have and many may I say. I wish I knew how to save you thought. As you mind is set on Muslim belief and Satans Love. You read the wrong books . as you read Science Books beliefs. Not the True Bible which are facts. Your lost and your in 100% denial that you are lost and can’t admit it to yourself. Unless you testify your lost. Then nobody can help you really. As you have to forgive yourself first and surrender yourself to God. Then God allows us to work more with you in your needs. We can pray to God he chances your attitude. And Live the life of God. But that is all we can do. Mostly it is up to you to change your life. I am praying for you right now!

  • Rex1949

    JC1929: In reagrds to your message. have I ever saved someone. Yes! I have and many many times may I say. And in regard to your second question.Am I a he or she or Gay? No you pompous rear end I am not gay. Your trying to act like a low class common. I am a christian you idiot. Speaking the way you did and knowing I am a christian and saying it a lot of times I was a Christian.Your just trying to #1. act like a smart-elect. #2. Act like your smart when your not. #3. Make your self to appear big in size to everyone when your just a little- little man with a very low IQ is all.

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 nope I ama small woman!!!!! Too heavy a bit, but all woman. LOL

    • thethinman

      @Rex1949 Yes, I can tell most of the “Christians” on here – they call others names or even refer to them by their username correctly.  “Christians” also seem readily able to cast aspersions on everyone else they don’t agree with.

  • Rex1949

    JC1929: In reagrds to your message. Yes you do. Your in denial again.

  • Rex1949

    pteff: Thanks for your message. Yes, I am very aware of this isssue you presented to me. And all I was saying it was not right what they was doing by allowing this was all. As your right it defys God’s commandment. But I was trying to get that across to Jc1`929 as he thinks otherwise on the issue. I think
    he needsa wake up call. and come back to reality. As he is a Muslim Lover.

    • ptefft

      @Rex1949
       Thanks for your message.  You might not want to refer to JC1929 as a man, I have been clearly told.  JC1929 is a bitter old woman who is very angry I guess at her fellow man, even towards Christians that she says she is.  Doesn’t add up and if I could recommend, don’t follow up with anything JC1929 says, she is very pious, angry and unforgiving, very.  I don’t respond anymore to anything she says, it just makes her more angry.

      • Evermyrtle

        @ptefft  @Rex1949 I wonder why  have to write such hateful comments to each other and about each other. It is entirely unnecessary. It would be so much more pleasant to readers if we could just ignore each other instead of the insults.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Evermyrtle»»»»You have been absolutely HATEFUL TO ME. In the years I have been doing this, I cannot remember a more SMUG AND JUDGEMENTAL PERSON THAN YOURSELF. DO YOU SEE AN IMAGE, WHEN YOU LOOK INTO A MIRROR¿!¡ http://www.hearthkeeper.com/pages/lforgive.html ________________________________________
          Throughout the Bible, God forgives those who are repentant and ask for forgiveness. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God forgives unrepentant sins or trespasses. Since repentance is a prerequisite for forgiveness, no one can forgive an unrepentant person even if she wants to. You may feel sorry for someone or wish a particular event had not happened BUT YOU CANNOT FORGIVE A PERSON IF HE IS NOT REPENTANT.
          I DO NOT FORGIVE YOU. If you APOLOGIZE, I WILL. OTHERWISE, KEEP YOUR SANCTIMONIUS, SUICIDAL CRAP TO YOURSELF, YOU WITCH!

        • Evermyrtle

          @lightvdark I have written very few comments to you and what I wrote was truth.but I have never bus this insulting toward you.  I had no intention of offending but then many times the truth is very offensive. I believe you are a Christian, that you love CHRIST, and most times love your fellow man.But name calling such as idiot, birdbrain, smug, because someone does not agree with you. You are right  GOD does forgive if you repent. Repent is what we need to do. I must do this every day. Calling people is not GOD’S way to solve problems, this just causes hate and any hate that you cause by calling names, or cause in any way by being unfair is a sin against you. If you realize someone is mistaken about anything,it is enough to call their attention, calling name goes beyond enough. People are not stupid just because they do not agree with you. They could be wrong but on the other hand you may be wrong.
           
          Forgive? What are you talking about forgiving? Who is it that I need to forgive? I do not hold anything against anyone on these blogging sites. I do not hold anything against you for your uncomplimentary  comments and ugly names, because they do not reflect on me but on you.
           
          There are a few commenters that I d not answer, some because it is not possible that I answer everybody, I cannot even read more than a small fraction. Then there are some that are so anti-GOD, I have not a clue how to answer, there are some that are so vicious I do not even bother to answer, there are some so self righteous I do not have a clue what to say to them in my humble attitude toward myself. . 
           
          Many of these people, I believe are only baiting others to see what kind of answer they may get. Some are so filled with hate that I cannot even begin to know how to help them, therefore I do not respond to them..
           
          I have never in my life commented by calling you such a vile name  or anybody else,  a witch, a real Christian would  not do that unless they had facts leading to them being a witch . If I have ever said anything to you or about you I do apologize.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Evermyrtle—You won’t apologize, because you CAN’T APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF EMPATHY, EXCEPT FOR NAMELESS, FACELESS PAGANS AND TERRORISTS. You can have the LAST WORD, GHOULFIEND. SINCE, YOU WILL SURELY DIE WITHOUT IT. http://www.ahalmaas.com/Glossary/n/narcissistic_rage.htm
          The (narcissitic) rage may turn into, or be accompanied by, a cold hatred that gives her qualities of power, invincibility, and calculation. This hatred underlies the desire for vengeance, for wanting to inflict pain and suffering, and for actually enjoying getting back at the person who failed her.

        • Evermyrtle

          @lightvdark I have been blogging only a matter of months not years. In that time I don not remember ever being hateful to you , unless you were offended by the truth.

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @ptefft @Rex1949 It is their nature and they cannot do anything else.. Rex1948 lies through his teeth about me without cause.I am first a man and now a woman, I am not the least angry, I am not a man! I do not spew venom, I hate no one, I was so enjoying baiting this person once he showed his true self. He never caught on but kept damning me! LOL I am so happy he has decided to give it up.before he poisons himself beyond redemption. Bye, bye Rex1929

        • Evermyrtle

          @JC1929  @Evermyrtle  @ptefft  @Rex1949 There are only a few who blog on this site the is so lying ans so vicious and all it takes to bring this out of them is to disagree. Usualy I just ignore them!

        • JC1929

          @Evermyrtle @ptefft @Rex1949 Okay Evermyrtle, for you I will quit. My fingers are gettring tired, but I do hate to give up the laughter. It is so good for the bones.

        • thethinman

          @Evermyrtle  though we are often at odds – that was spoken well.  thank you.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark I do not want to attack you in any way, and I won’t but I have a question and present it because I believed the same way you did until I had it settled by a terriific thologfian. It is this: a person does not have to be reepentant to be forgiven. You see, we must sometimes even forgive a deceased person in order to our hearts cleansed. “If you have aught against any…..Do you have a concordance in which you can check?

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 That my old honey is because you cannot add….you said “Doesn’t addd up….”
        Did I wish you a happy day?

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 You don’t respond directly to me, but in every letter you write to anyone on here you refer to me and call me names. LOL Do I get under you skin? I repeat, watch your blood pressure! I am having so much fun. with this person. OH it isn’t a person? Well, tell me please what shall I call it?

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 Glad to see you finally shutting up! You have the tongue of an asp.

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 I bring joy and laughter to many in here! I do not have anger, I have love. You are judging me and the way that word is used here is “condemning.”: Are you speaking for God? Judge not lest ye be judged. condemned!

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 LOL you are just so wrong! You listen to the wrong people. I am sweet, caring, have a fun nature, am an artist, a mom to five, a yankee. a horse lover, country living lover and now, REX my would be tormentor who is not succeeding in getting my goat, Oh, I like goats!!! Had one once. All it did was “Bah Bah Bah” NOw that irked me!.But,dear Rex. I think I’ll call this a day.
        I believe all our messages are on a big wheel going round and round and we are reading them time after time. Enough yet! Have a good day, wherever you are. Beware of the pharisees. And, OH Dr.PRO I will try to get back in here with a review of your dvd. In spite of his accusaiton you were advertising it. LOL

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 honey,,,,when you use the plural pronoun “they” you must use a plural verb, “are”. Then the spelling is “defies” the y is changed to “ies” Did you not study grammar in school, or didn’t you go to school? Do have a good day. And please get my gender right! First you say I am a man, then I am a woman. I really did not have a sex change. Make up your mind. old boy, or are you loing it. Senility, it’s called.
      Good afternoon Dr.Pro. You seem to be under fire, too. LOL

      • DrProTruth

        @JC1929  @Rex1949 Good afternoon, JC1929!! ;D

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 See Rex, you did it again here. you called me a “he”. And you said you never did. HaHA Caught you again.

  • Rex1949

    Troy: Thanks for your kind remarks. And your right there 100% too! Have a nice one.

  • protectliberty

    TAX and $pend
     
    DEMS ARE THE AUTHOR OF THIS TRAGIC AMERICANA STORY
     
    SHOCKED and stung all at the same time (Letter arrive today from HR – below)
    Date: 2012-12-10 
     
     Tax Increases for All in 2013?
    Federal Tax Increases Beginning in January 2013, the largest single year tax increase in U.S. history – approximately $500 billion – is scheduled to take effect. While most of the tax increases are due to the expiration of long-term tax policies, such as the Bush tax cuts, and short-term economy stimulating tax cuts, like the temporary Social Security Payroll Tax Reduction and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) “fix” also included in this calculation is the imposition of a new set of taxes that are part of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, (known affectionately as Obamacare).
     
    STRIPPED AGAIN —————- >California Tax Increases: In addition to the looming federal tax increases, the centerpiece of Governor Jerry Brown’s budget proposal is a seven-year $47 billion “temporary” tax increase. These new taxes are embodied in the Schools and Local Public Safety Protection Act of 2012 ballot initiative that requires the approval of California voters in November 2012. According to California’s Legislative Analyst’s Office, revenue estimates for the initiative vary widely – from $6.8 billion to $9 billion for 2012-13 and from $5.4 billion to $7.6 billion, on average, in each of the following five fiscal years, with lesser amounts in 2018-19.Additional revenues generated by this tax increase would be considered General Fund revenues for the purpose of calculating General Fund Proposition 98 obligations. 
    ???????? HOW DO THEY DO THIS ??????? To achieve these revenues, personal income tax rates will be increased for seven years  AND the state’s sales —AND— use tax rate will be increased for four years. Specifically, the personal income tax portion of the proposal will add three new personal income tax brackets with rates above 9.3 percent. These new rates will be effective for seven years beginning January 1, 2012 through the end of the 2018 tax year for both single and joint taxpayers. 
     
    ====>THE LETTER: Good morning – As of today, the temporary “Payroll Tax Cut” which reduced the employee tax share of Social Security – is set to expire December 31, 2012.  Currently the employee tax share is 4.2%. When the current legislation expires, that rate will go back to 6.2% on FICA wages paid after January 1, 2013. What does this means to you? You will see a tax increase of 2% on your FICA wages on the paycheck starting January.

  • protectliberty

    TRY TO RID CHRISTMAS FROM US???
     
    THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT IS ALIVE!
     
    WATCH THIS
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Vnt7euRF5Pg&vq=medium
     
     
    This will make those PROGRESSIVE’s that tried to erase our holy day shutter!
     
    Share this wonderful video!

    • Evermyrtle

      @protectliberty They want to take away Christmas away from and beat CHRIST OUT OF US . It won’t work!

    • thethinman

      @protectliberty ON what occasion is Christmas a “holy day”?  Where?  Certainly not anywhere in America – we have Santa Claus and pagan trees in our churches.  One of the big “protestant” churches had a sign out front that during two services on sunday they were going to celebrate the “hanging of the Greens” – I just wondered what the Greens had done to deserve hanging – and why the law was allowing a church to hang them.  This same “church” sold “halloween pumpkins” in the church yard – even on Sunday – right after service.
       
      Holy day – holy for the retailers who aim to make a killing off gullible adults that load their kids up with toys – rather than being “wise men” and giving a gift to Jesus, born King of the Jews, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  but the retailers appreciate the HOLINESS of the season – “Happy Holidays”.  What gift are you giving Jesus this year?

      • DrProTruth

        @thethinman  @protectliberty This is so true, thethinman! Churches today will hang the greens but will not hang the Cross that represents the the most selfless act of all time for all humanity–the Hallmark of Christianity–the very reason churches exist in the first place!
         
        We turn on TV in the evening in hopes of watching a meaningful movie about the Birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, but all we can find are movies about Santa Claus and the magic of the season!
         
        And the station breaks are filled to the brim with ‘holiday gifts’ and ‘holiday decorations’ and ‘holiday trees’ ad nauseam! I am to a point where I call retailers and tell them I see they only carry ‘holiday gifts’ so I will be doing my shopping at another store that actually carries ‘Christmas gifts!’
         
        Meanwhile, we will continue to celebrate the Virgin Birth of the Savior of the World, Emmanuel–God with us! The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End of everything that exists; the Mighty God, His Name is Wonderful, Prince of Peace is He, the Everlasting Father throughout eternity!

        • protectliberty

          @DrProTruth  @thethinman 
          FOR MANY — CHRISTMAS IS A HOLY DAY,
           
          WHILE SOME ATTEND CHURCH SERVICES, DONATE THEIR TIME, AND SPEND TIME WITH FAMILIES… OTHERS DECORATE THEIR HOMES AND GO SHOPPING — BUT THAT IS WHAT IS NICE  — WE EACH CAN CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS OR CUSTOM FIT IT TO THEIR FAMILY TRADITION.
           
          THE RETAILERS DO PROFIT OFF XMAS BUT YOU SHOULD ATLEAST
          ACKNOWLEDGE – THAT BUYING GIFTS AND SHOPPING IS OPTIONAL

        • thethinman

          @protectliberty  @DrProTruth Describe “many”.  I’ll agree.  for many it is a Holy Day – celebrating the birth of Jesus – even though we know it is NOT his birthday.  but in the same breath – there are many many more for whom it is NOT a holy day.  Yes, still a day to be with family, a day to be joyous and give gifts and see the children that are lucky enough to live in a family smile and be happy.  for many more it is a day of loneliness, a day when no one cares – they are all too busy with their own happiness.  Oh, they dropped a dollar or two into the salvation army kettle, or gave to the christmas tree fund or toys for tots for children to have toys – but there is NO ONE that truly cares about those that are homeless and are hungry.  Who really cares about the men and women in Afghanistan, away from their family, cannon fodder for the politicians.  It is one thing to fight in a war with a goal to win – it is another to simply be another body that is expendable for no cause other than political points.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @protectlibertyDear friend~ I will not debate with such cynicism and disrespect over the day that much of the free world has agreed upon to set aside to celebrate the Birth of our Lord Jesus.

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  Truly – friend – you have no idea.  Cynical – yes I am – because “I” don’t think I’m blind when I see what I see amongst people that call themselves “Christians” or in the “free” world.  “Christmas” has lost it’s meaning to the majority of people in the “free” world.  It is a day of family, a day of gift giving, a day to stuff yourself – a day to go hunting or to watch football games.  How many “churches” anywhere in the world will have a service on CHRISTMAS day – not just at midnight – but during the light of day?  A day when they should be giving praise – as the angels said – Glory to God in the highest – for the birth of Jesus the Messiah to the world.?  I am cynical when I see parents that are struggling to pay their bills – go shopping for toys on credit –
           
          Santa Claus (with NO relation to St. Nicholas and his worthy deed) is the reason for the retail season.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @thethinman—-You are what’s known as a Dhimwit. And, you are probably a useful idiot that FEELS that COMMUNISM WORKS JUST SWELL—ON PAPER¿!¡»»»I don’t hate Buddhism, Hinduism, and other religions of LIGHT. I HATE PACIFISM_COWARDICE, ISLAM, AND LIBERALISM.»»»
        Dhim·wit (“dïm-wît”) – A non-Muslim member of a free society who unwittingly abets the stated cause of Islamic domination.  A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity.

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark YOU MUST be a Christian – I can tell – in your language.  I am not for “pacifism”, Hinduism is intriguing – at least they are HONEST about their limber gods,  Buddhism is satisfying to the soul.  Islam can sit out on a stake as far as I’m concerned.  I would say you are illiterate and can’t read – or you simply read what you like – Communism has never worked – not even in it’s better form used by the early church – there were a couple people died for trying and lying about it.  “I” grew up when Communism was sneered at – and to me it’s a system that will never work, not even when forced on the populace, for very long.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        You seem to HATE all the trappings of Christianity»»»But will DIE, DEFENDING AND APOLOGIZING FOR MOHAMMEDANISM. Please MOVE TO SOME MUSLIM $H¡7-HOLE AND tell THEM WHAT GREAT PEOPLE THEY ARE. Just before your head falls off, you can CURSE ME—IDIOT!

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark Why would I curse you – you have a right to your belief, nor would I deny you what ever you wish to believe as long as you “don’t tread on me”.   The “Trappings of Christianity” – hmmm – I’ll have to think about that.  I think, or should I say I believe there is a war between Islam and the hedonistic culture of the west – it is NOT a war with Christianity – of which there is scant evidence that it is any threat to Islam.  but there is ample evidence that the western/American hedonistic culture is the antithesis of both Christianity and Islam.  Open your eyes, look around you. I am NOT against Christianity – but the insidious corruption of western culture is the death knell of living a life as God and Jesus told us to live.  You cannot serve two masters – one the world and one the disciple of Jesus and obeying the laws of God.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @thethinman»»»»We ARE, HEDONISTIC! And, we are SURRENDERING WITHOUT EVEN A WHIMPER, TO THE WICKED.—- You came out of NOWHERE, INSULTING ME.
          Illiterate¿? You SMUG-MORON!————————-
          Luke 21:16
           You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death._____

        • protectliberty

          @lightvdark 
          MORE DARK THAN LIGHT

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @protectpuberty»»»Yeah, well, YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT, PAGAN_BOY»»»SOONER, THAN LATER»»»»»»»»»»
          International Standard Version (©2012) Luke 21:17.——–
          You will be hated continuously by everyone because of my name.

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark I have NOT insulted you nor called you names – like DHIMWIT.  Nor have I called you a “SMUG-MORON”.  You do see – that I truly believe you ARE the epitome of a “Christian” in America today.  “I” think your words, the tone, betray you.

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark I can quote as much scripture as anyone – it proves nothing – except that I know the Bible and where to find the words to fit my needs.  DEEDs are what God will judge and “I” believe that those that “profess” to be followers of Jesus will be judged even more severely for their deeds or misdeeds or lack of deeds than those who reject or don’t know about Jesus.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman  @lightvdark To the contrary, Jesus is far less concerned about our deeds and far more concerned with our thoughts!
           
          Jesus declares, “You have heard it said to men of old, You shall not kill…But I say to you that every one who continues to be angry with his brother or harbors malice [enmity of heart] against him shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court…” (Matt 5:21, 22a);
           
          And, “You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery, [Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18]. But I say to you that every one who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28);
           
          Or, “You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; but I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you [Prov 25:221, 22]” (Matt 5:43, 44);
           
          Or, “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant–without understanding and unable to put things together? Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen, and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited?
          But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles [him].
          For out of the heart come evil thoughts (reasonings and disputings and designs) such as murder, adultery, sexual vice, theft, false witnessing, slander and irreverent speech. These are what make a man unclean and defile [him]; but eating with hands unwashed does not make him unclean or defile [him].
           
          And, again, “Eat not the bread of him who has a hard, grudging and envious eye, neither desire his dainty foods; For as he thinks in his heart, so is he…” (Prov 23:6, 7).
           
          Yet, again, “For out of the fullness–the overflow, the superabundance–of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things” (Matt 12:34b, 35).
           
          Thus, it is the deed is far less the offense over against the heart that leads to the offense.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @thethinman You called me illiterate. AND, YOU FEEL THAT I SHOULD LOVE EVIL. AS YOU SEEM TO.
          You talk in circles. IT’S called, SOCIOPATHY. Pure White Light pulled me out of a murderous, drunken blackout, over 37 years ago. I don’t go to AA any more, becaus SMUG-KNOW-IT-ALLS, like YOURSELF, SNEER AT AND MOCK ME. BECAUSE I don’t do AA, the way they FEEL, I SHOULD.—–My last answer to you. You are incapable of being wrong. KEEP BARKING, DOG¿!¡

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  Yes our thoughts often precede our deeds. 
           
          Revelation 20:12 (King James Version) 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          http://www.hearthkeeper.com/pages/lforgive.html @DrProTruth»»»Thou SHALT NOT MURDER, DOC. Murderers DESERVE DEATH»»»» Forgiveness is given when a person repents (turns in  a new direction) and asks for forgiveness. So we aren’t required to lets say, forgive Stalin, Hitler, Charles Manson etc. They never repented of evil and never asked for forgiveness.
          Let’s look at what the Bible does say about who should be forgiven and when they should be forgiven..
          Luke 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves; If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.”

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          Once again, I have 2 brothers that I grew up with, who DESPISE ME. I forgive them to the point where I will not retaliate. BUT, I will never speak to either of them, again, until, they’ve APOLOGIZED TO ME, AND TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE STOPPED DOING EVIL. My younger brother call himself a CHRISTIAN.——————————-
          Luke 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves; If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.”

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          When I ATTEMPT, to tell somebody on a blog, that he is WRONG(REBUKE), 9 times out of 10, that person and a whole MOB, BEGIN HOWLING, MOCKING AND SNEERING @ ME.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman@lightvdark Again, dear friend~ It is our heart by far more our deeds that God is concerned with. Even if what is in our heart is never acted upon, it is still our heart God is emphatically more concerned with over against our deeds! Jesus makes this crystal clear when He says that even if a man lusts after a woman in his heart, he has already committed adultery in his heart.
           
          I hesitate to belabor the issue, as I’ve already addressed it once in another of your posts. Yet, as you have two posts with such similar content I think the answer must bear repeating:
           
          Jesus declares, “You have heard it said to men of old, You shall not kill…But I say to you that every one who continues to be angry with his brother or harbors malice [enmity of heart] against him shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court…” (Matt 5:21, 22a);
           
          And, “You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery, [Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18]. But I say to you that every one who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28);
           
          Or, “You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; but I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you [Prov 25:221, 22]” (Matt 5:43, 44);
           
          Or, “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant–without understanding and unable to put things together? Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen, and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited?
          But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles [him].
          For out of the heart come evil thoughts (reasonings and disputings and designs) such as murder, adultery, sexual vice, theft, false witnessing, slander and irreverent speech. These are what make a man unclean and defile [him]; but eating with hands unwashed does not make him unclean or defile [him].
           
          And, again, “Eat not the bread of him who has a hard, grudging and envious eye, neither desire his dainty foods; For as he thinks in his heart, so is he…” (Prov 23:6, 7).
           
          Yet, again, “For out of the fullness–the overflow, the superabundance–of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things” (Matt 12:34b, 35).
           
          Thus, it is the deed is far less the offense over against the heart that leads to the offense.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @DrProTruth—-Doc, you don’t even SEE what I post.
          http://www.hearthkeeper.com/pages/lforgive.html
          The second part of this verse; “…rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.” states we must forgive our brother if he repents. The Greek word for repent is metanoeo which means “to think differently or afterwards reconsider”.   In fact, in Luke 17:4 Jesus said, “And if he sins against you seven time in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”   Notice that Jesus did not say to go about forgiving unrepentant people who are not in the least sorry for what they have done. He said forgive your brother who repents and asks your forgiveness.

        • DrProTruth

          @lightvdark My dear friend, lightvdark~ I’ve read some of your posts and you remind me so much of my own brother of whom I deeply love. He, too, is a deep thinker and sometimes it is a bit difficult to follow his reasoning, but he loves God with all his heart and wants nothing more than to please Him in everything.
           
          As I read your post, in my thinking anyway, you are addressing two separate issues: 1) murder, and 2) forgiveness. Concerning murderers, I actually do believe in the death penalty in accordance with God’s requirement of the blood to be shed of the one who sheds the blood of another. Paul makes this clear in his letter to the Romans chapter 13 and verses 1-4:
           
          “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.”
           
          Concerning forgiveness, the Scripture you employ to make your argument against forgiving those who have not repented for their sins is actually speaking to Christians who have differences with one another, where one has offended the other. The best way to handle offenses of this sort is for one to confront the other in hopes of repentance and reconciliation.
           
          It’s important to understand that forgiving our brothers or sisters their offenses is more for us than for the offender, in that when we walk in unforgiveness we hurt ourselves far more that we hurt the one who offended us. I’ve heard it put this way: “To walk in unforgiveness toward someone is like taking poison and expecting the offender to die.”
           
          Jesus makes this clear in Matthew 6:14, 15: “For if you forgive people their trespasses–that is, their reckless and wilful sins, leaving them, letting them go and giving up resentment–your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses–their reckless and wilful sins, leaving them, letting them go and giving up resentment–neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.”
           
          For this reason it is why it is vitally important that we forgive others. Forgiveness is one of the keys to living a successful, healthy life.
           
          I read your post about yourself and your two brothers, and it reminded me of Joseph and his 11 brothers, and how successful Joseph was in life in large part because of his forgiving heart toward all who wronged him, from his brothers, to his prison mates, to Pharaoh’s wife et al. We can all take a lesson from Joseph. Blessings, my friend~

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @DrProTruth, JOSEPH’S BROTHERS ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS. I DO NOT HATE MY BROTHERS.———–
          Please stop patronizing and condescending to me.
          http://www.hearthkeeper.com/pages/lforgive.html
          ________________________________________ Throughout the Bible, God forgives those who are repentant and ask for forgiveness. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God forgives unrepentant sins or trespasses. Since repentance is a prerequisite for forgiveness, no one can forgive an unrepentant person even if she wants to. You may feel sorry for someone or wish a particular event had not happened BUT YOU CANNOT FORGIVE A PERSON IF HE IS NOT REPENTANT.

        • DrProTruth

          @lightvdark Dear friend~ First, the Greek words for God’s forgiveness of man’s sins, and man’s forgiveness for offenses toward one another are different and cannot be paralleled to one another, neither can they be contrasted nor compared. For no one has the power to forgive sin in remission, except the Father.
           
          Second, when we forgive another for his or her offenses toward us, we are letting go of that offense; we are loosing or unbinding them from their having to pay us anything for their offense–in other words–they owe us nothing, not even an apology. When we forgive others of their offenses in this manner, not only do we free them to seek forgiveness from God for that sin and thereby freeing them to come to us and ask for forgiveness and be reconciled to one another through genuine forgiveness; but we also free ourselves from the negative ramifications that come into our own life because of harboring anger, bitterness and unforgiveness  in our hearts, which is like a poison to us–body, soul, and spirit.
           
          Joseph modeled this kind of forgiveness toward those who offended him. We see his heart toward his brothers when he first sees his brothers, and realizing who they are, escapes to a room alone and weeps for his brothers (Gen 43:30). There is obviously no bitterness or unforgiveness in Joseph’s heart toward his brothers, at all. We see this again in chapter 45 and verse 1ff, when he embraces his brothers and weeps aloud and makes himself known to them–thus their kinship is restored. Nowhere, does it say his brothers repent or ask his forgiveness. The reconciliation occurs exclusively through the choice Joseph makes to forgive and release his brothers from the penalty of their sin. Again, this in no way means that God erased the penalty of their sin unless and until each of them went to God and confessed and repented of their sin.
           
          Finally, Jesus tells us how to deal with our enemies in Matthew chapter 5 and verses 43-47: “You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for these who persecute you [Prov 25:21, 22]. To show that you are the children of your Father Who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good, and makes the rain fall upon the upright and the wrongdoers [alike]. For if you love those who love you, what reward can you have? Do not even the tax collectors do that? And if you greet only your brethren, what more than others are you doing? Do not even the Gentiles (the heathen) do that? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect [that is, grow into complete maturity of godliness in mind and character, having reached the proper height of virtue and integrity].
           
          Although, I do not have time to do a word study for you on “forgiveness” or “love” I would encourage you, rather than go to .com websites to study Scripture, to properly exegete Scripture, may I suggest you invest in tools like The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament; The Complete Word Study Dictionary: Old Testament; The Englishman’s Hebrew Concordance of the Old Testament; The Brown-Drive-Briggs Hebrew English Concordance; Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance; Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Works et al. Blessings, dear friend~

        • DrProTruth

          @lightvdark Post Script~ As I do not have time to invest further in this discussion, so if you choose to respond to my comment here, please limit your response to comments and not challenges, as I will do not have time to debate this further. Thanks for respecting my time, dear friend~

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark Perhaps, just perhaps – it is the way – the tone – that you use.  There is ‘truth’ in much of what you are trying to say – but the words, the manner you speak in – destroy the goodness you intend.

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth  “I” did not write the book.  YOU say it is our heart – the book plainly says that the book will be opened and we will be judged for our works.  Jesus – in his parable of the good Samaritan – didn’t laud the man for the goodness of his heart – but for the deed that followed the goodness of his heart – AND, Jesus said – go, and do likewise.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman Our deeds–or our works–proceed from our hearts. That is why Jesus is so concerned with the heart first. Goodness was already operating in the heart of the good Samaritan long before he came upon the bruised and beaten Jewish man on the road to Jericho–and when the opportunity presented itself, goodness sprang forth from the Samaritan’s heart and he acted on behalf of the injured man.
           
          Conversely, what was in the hearts of the Rabbis–who stepped to the other side of the road to avoid the beaten man as they passed by and left him on the roadside in his wounded condition–was also exposed. The Rabbis walked in a self-righteous, haughty spirit as they judged the wounded man for his lack of prudence to travel the dangerous road to Jericho alone.
           
          The point is, yes, we will be judged for by our deeds or works, but we also will be judged by the thoughts and intents of our hearts. Jesus admonishes us to not judge, which is a heart issue rather than an act.
           
          His Word tells us the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked and beyond cure. Who can know the heart except the Spirit of God (Jer. 17:9). The very reason the Seven Deadly Sins are called such is they are traits that we have and not deeds that we do, which makes them far more insidious and hard to see in ourselves.

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth Me thinks that the priest and the Levite passed to the other side so as not to defile themselves.  You have to understand, besides just the lack of human kindness, it was a difficult ceremonial, if nothing else, cleansing that was required before working in the Temple if one “defiled” oneself with a the dead – and perchance – they believed this beaten man was dead.    I don’t really KNOW the reason in the parable that they passed the man by – and Jesus didn’t give the reason – though perhaps to his audience it was understood. 
           
          Show me where Jesus said we would be judged by what is in our hearts.  the book says that the book was opened and the dead, great and small, were judged for their works.  “Faith without works is dead.”
           
          I allow you to believe this as you will – as you say – neither you nor I are the judge nor even on the jury – it is God in Heaven, with Jesus at his right hand that shall judge.  WE argue moot points – because of this.  “I” cannot convince you, nor you me.  We interpret the scripture as we are led and our understanding of the language we know.

        • DrProTruth

          @thethinman
          PERHAPS, YOU’RE READING JESUS’ WORDS ON BEING JUDGED BY WHAT IS IN OUR HEARTS A THIRD TIME WILL HELP:
           
          Jesus declares, “You have heard it said to men of old, You shall not kill…But I say to you that every one who continues to be angry with his brother or harbors malice [enmity of heart] against him shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court…” (Matt 5:21, 22a).
          INTERPRETATION: YOU WILL BE JUDGED FOR HARBORING MALICE IN YOUR HEART TOWARD YOUR BROTHER.
           
          “You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery, [Exod 20:14; Deut 5:18]. But I say to you that every one who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28).
          INTERPRETATION: YOU WILL BE JUDGED FOR LUSTING AFTER A WOMAN [OR MAN] IN YOUR HEART.
           
          “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant–without understanding and unable to put things together? Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen, and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited?
          But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles [him]. For out of the heart come evil thoughts (reasonings and disputings and designs) such as murder, adultery, sexual vice, theft, false witnessing, slander and irreverent speech. These are what make a man unclean and defile [him]; but eating with hands unwashed does not make him unclean or defile [him].
          INTERPRETATION: YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY YOUR EVIL THOUGHTS SUCH AS MURDER; ADULTERY; SEXUAL VICE… ET AL.
           
          And, again, “Eat not the bread of him who has a hard, grudging and envious eye, neither desire his dainty foods; For as he thinks in his heart, so is he…” (Prov 23:6, 7).
          INTERPRETATION: ENVY AND BEGRUDGING ARE SINS OF YOUR HEART, AND NOT DEEDS THAT YOU DO.
           
          Yet, again, “For out of the fullness–the overflow, the superabundance–of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things” (Matt 12:34b, 35).
          INTERPRETATION: YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART; WHETHER THERE BE GOOD TREASURE IN THE HEART THAT BRINGS FORTH GOOD THINGS, OR WHETHER THERE BE AN EVIL STOREHOUSE IN THE HEART THAT BRINGS FORTH EVIL THINGS.
           
          ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID ON THIS SUBJECT. IF YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS’ WORDS WHEN HE SAYS–IN EFFECT–WE WILL BE JUDGED BY THE THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF OUR HEARTS EVEN AS WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR THE DEEDS THAT WE DO, THEN EITHER YOU DO NOT KNOW THE WORD OF GOD AT ALL, OR YOU ARE TOO STUBBORN TO CONCEDE THE POINT. EITHER WAY, THIS DISCUSSION HAS MET ITS CONCLUSION.

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark  Who is sneering at you – you see the boogyman under your bed every night too?  Are you putting yourself forward as someone to be sneered at?

        • thethinman

          @DrProTruth You may twist and turn the words of the Book – anyway you want to make them say what you want – I’m taking them at their literal face value as translated.  If they are translated falsely – …. then how much of the book is really true?  I used two parts of the scripture – what Jesus said, and what John the Revelator said he saw.  NOTHING any man teaches other than what has been revealed can change that.

      • protectliberty

        @thethinman 
        INTERESTING THOUGHTS — FOOD FOR THOUGHT
         
        FOR MANY — CHRISTMAS IS A HOLY DAY, MANY ATTEND CHURCH SERVICES, DONATE THEIR TIME, AND SPEND TIME WITH FAMILIES…
         
        THE RETAILERS DO PROFIT OFF XMAS BUT YOU SHOULD ATLEAST
        ACKNOWLEDGE – THAT BUYING GIFTS AND SHOPPING IS OPTIONAL
         
        .

      • protectliberty

        @thethinman
        FOR MANY — CHRISTMAS IS A HOLY DAY, MANY ATTEND CHURCH SERVICES, DONATE THEIR TIME, AND SPEND TIME WITH FAMILIES…
         
        THE RETAILERS DO PROFIT OFF XMAS
        BUT YOU SHOULD ATLEAST ACKNOWLEDGE
         
        – THAT BUYING GIFTS AND SHOPPING IS OPTIONAL

      • protectliberty

        @thethinman
        FOR MANY — CHRISTMAS IS A HOLY DAY,
        MANY ATTEND CHURCH SERVICES,
        SOME STAY HOME,
        OTHERS’ DONATE THEIR TIME TO CHARITIES,
        AND MOST SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILY
         
         
        THE RETAILERS DO PROFIT OFF XMAS
        BUT YOU SHOULD ATLEAST
        ACKNOWLEDGE – THAT BUYING GIFTS AND SHOPPING IS OPTIONAL

        • thethinman

          @protectliberty Everything we do in life is optional – even breathing.  What does it mean to “remember the Sabbath – to keep it holy”?  Christmas is or should be one of those “sabbath” days for “Christians”.

  • JimSchafer

    according to Jeremiah 7(entire chapter) God(Jehovah-

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    How many of you HORSE’S_@§€’$, ESPECIALLY, MINISTERS, have hosed me MERCILESSLY WITH VENOM AND VITRIOL, because, I tell you, that I hate EVIL.
    Matthew 10:22
     All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved._________________________________________
    Luke 21:16
     You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death._________________________________________
    Luke 21:18
     But not a hair of your head will perish._________________________________________
    John 15:21
     They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

  • protectliberty

    I HAVE CUT BACK ON GIFTS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF ONSOUGHT TAX HIKES LOOMING 
     
     
    I THOUGHT MAYBE HAVING A GUESS THE TAX BURDEN CONTEST
    TO SEE WHO IS CLOSEST IN THE FAMILY TO GUESS THE
    AMT OF MONEY WILL BE NEEDED TO SEND THE IRS.
     
    ONE THING WE NEED CAN FALL BACK ON IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS 
    RATHER THAN GIFTS UNDER A TREE….
    LISTENING TO A CHRISTMAS CAROL 
    OR JUST LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORS INVESTING IN THE ELECTRIC COMPANY BY HAVING A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS LIGHT DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE…..
     
    NO XMAS LIGHTS FOR MY HOUSE THIS YEAR…. POWER RATES ARE GOING UP
    IN FACT EVERYTHING RELATED TO POWER IS GOING SKY HIGH
     
    MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THE STARS ON A CLEAR NIGHT INSTEAD?

    • thethinman

      @protectliberty Perhaps, just perhaps – we will see Jesus in the manger.
       
      but you have made an excellent point or two.  ONE of the reasons that the cost of electricity goes up this time of year – besides electric heaters – is the consumption of it to put on all the lights.  and it doesn’t help a lot that YOU don’t put up lights – the excess used of electricity by your neighbors helps drive up the cost.  so much more my electric coop will have to buy over what they generate.  oh yes – my electric bill will go up – even though we limit our house to very few lights.  I’m married to a pagan – so there is a tree in the house.

      • protectliberty

        @thethinman 
        LOOK I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA — THE RATES ARE UNHEALTHY HIGH
         
        NO LIGHTS — I AM LUCKY TO HAVE THE LIGHTS ON INSIDE….
        MY POINT IS THIS:
         
        THE PROGRESSIVES HAVE A WAR ON AFFORDABLE ENERGY
        COAL IS OUT
        4 “D” BATTERIES COST OVER $10
        GASOLINE IS SKY HIGH
        THE PROPANE BILL  IS A PAIN
         
        OUR TAXES ARE GOING UP (THANK YOU JERRY BROWN)
         
        SO NO CHRISTMAS LIGHTS — BECAUSE I HAVE TO THINK AHEAD
        TAXES IN CALIF GO UP — BOTH INCOME AND SALES TAX
         
        THE PROGRESSIVES DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS
        THEY ARE KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY MAKING TAXES, FEES AND REGULATIONS TO PUT A SCRUNCH ON OUR LIFESTYLES.
         
        DTP

        • thethinman

          @protectliberty Why are you thanking Jerry Moonbeam Brown for your taxes going up?  Y’all voted for them to go up and you keep electing the democrats that love to part you from your money to give to those that don’t have it.
           
          It may be the “progressives” that have a war on coal and oil – (carbon energy) – but it appears that it’s Californians that are leading the way.  Gasoline has dropped to a new low here in Florida – the state with the highest state gasoline tax in the nation – about 30¢/gal more than any of our neighbors.  That is why we are so happy to see all the snow birds every year – they LOVE to fill our coffers with their money.  And the reason real Floridians are happy to see Spring and the north warm up – we are tired of them – and their funds are running low.

  • JimSchafer

    will they let us worship in a mosque?  i do not think so! ! ! are we not desicrating the house of God?

    • protectliberty

      @JimSchafer 
      DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TO A MOSQUE?
       
      THE THOUGHT OF
      ALL THE KNEELING MAKES ME KNEES ACHE

      • protectliberty

        @JimSchafer THE CHURCH DECIDED TO CROSS THE INNER-FAITH LINES
         
        SOUNDS MORE PROGRESSIVE —  THAN RATIONAL

        • thethinman

          @protectliberty  @JimSchafer MONEY MONEY MONEY

      • thethinman

        @protectliberty  @JimSchafer “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'”

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @protectpuberty— Matthew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn“‘a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—*36* a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’e

      • JimSchafer

        @protectliberty
         plus all the dust that we would have to breathe, by the way, i’m allergic to dust. (aach-ooo) by the way i wonder if they realize that they are making good targets for a b-b gunner

      • thethinman

        @protectliberty  certainly not that chintzy little mosque they put up on the outskirts of town here.  Besides – it’s behind a six foot chain link fence with barbed wire around the top.  I’m figuring that’s where they are hoarding their gold.  and yes, in this very small little town  we have a mosque – built mostly by the dozen Muslim doctors that live and work here.  We can’t get Americans for doctors, they won’t accept the handouts from medicare, so we get the foreigners that will come, like the “motel” Indians that run the 10 motels and almost all the convenience stores/gas stations.

    • thethinman

      @JimSchafer Churches are businesses – tax them

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @skinnygeek_ENVY AND RAGE, ARE PERCEIVED_GREED, on crack, Viagra, Steroids, THC, MDA, EIEIO»»»

        • thethinman

          @lightvdark  Yes, you are definitely a Christian.  I’m waiting for the Cock to crow.

  • solo_sonata

    @BBInnKetchikan That happened a long time ago.

  • JimSchafer

    i just thought about all the dust they must be inhaling, or even eating; if i had to do it, i would have a problem. . .i’m allergic to dust. . .aachoo! —will someone say Gopd bless you, over there? i think not.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    My male siblings hate me. I do not hate them back. I would LOVE IT, if they came to me, apologized and told me that they have gotten over their SEXUAL ADDICTION. Plus, they will not lie to me and USE ME AGAIN. I PRAY THAT IT WILL HAPPEN.———————-
    MY CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS, ON THE OTHER HAND, JUDGE ME UNMERCIFULLY, for not unconditionally forgiving, GOD HATING LEFTISTS AND TERRORISTS. IF SUICIDE IS YOUR THING—HAVE A PARTY.——————————- This discussion is about SELF LOATHING, SUICIDAL-FAUX-CHRISTIANS, inviting the WORST HATERS OF GOD INTO HIS HOUSE. I don’t know of ANY CHURCH IN AMERIKA, THAT EVEN USES THE WORD, EVIL. FORGET, CONDEMNING IT.
    http://www.hearthkeeper.com/pages/lforgive.html ——
    It should be noted that Jesus used the phrase   “If thy brother trespass against thee… ” which of course does not mean just anyone. Although brother can mean humanity in general, it is usually used in the Bible (and every where else) to mean fraternity of believers, or a male sibling. So this verse is not referring to PAGANS AND HEATHENS, but to our brothers (and sisters) in Christ.

    • Evermyrtle

      @lightvdark You certainty had me fooled about hating others!

  • protectliberty

    Look this church wants to invite the muxxies
     
    THEY MAY FIND OUT
     
    that their guests are more trouble than anticipated and then what?
     
    This is a conference – wonder if they will let them use the facility long-term.
    The problem may rise, when they want them to stop using their church.
     
    Oh well, it is their right to choose.
     
    .

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @protectliberty—Dimmer, rather than Brighter—-**

      ______________________________________________
      There is a GOOD PRINCIPLE which created ORDER, LIGHT, and MAN, and an EVIL PRINCIPLE which created CHAOS, DARKNESS, and WOMAN. Pythagoras
      _______________________________________________
      Humanism is THE DENIAL OF GOD AND THE TOTAL AFFIRMATION OF MAN. HUMANISM IS REALLY NOTHING ELSE THAN MARXISM. Karl Marx
      ______________________________________**
      Bad men cannot make good citizens. IT IS WHEN A PEOPLE FORGET GOD THAT TYRANTS FORGE THEIR CHAINS. Patrick Henry

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Jamie Foxx has made a new movie expressing his desire to kill white people. Then, there is Little Chris Rock—- http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGAQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkkwB76o-3Go&ei=OVPHUPvIAoLrygGlkIDgCA&usg=AFQjCNFOaotY7ecq-8VEuaJQZNzTqlWZWw
    How many of you hate YOURSELVES, as much as these SATANIC CLOWNS DO?
    HOW MANY OF YOU SQUISHEY CHRISTIANS FEEL, THAT I AM A RACIST¿?

  • protectliberty

    Tax Increases for All in 2013?
    Federal Tax Increases Beginning in January 2013, the largest single year tax increase in U.S. history – approximately $500 billion – is scheduled to take effect. While most of the tax increases are due to the expiration of long-term tax policies, such as the Bush tax cuts, and short-term economy stimulating tax cuts, like the temporary Social Security Payroll Tax Reduction and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) “fix” also included in this calculation is the imposition of a new set of taxes that are part of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, (known affectionately as Obamacare).
     
    HEAP OF TAXES —————- ><B>California Tax Increases: </B>In addition to the looming federal tax increases, the centerpiece of Governor Jerry Brown’s budget proposal is a seven-year $47 billion “temporary” tax increase. These new taxes are embodied in the Schools and Local Public Safety Protection Act of 2012 ballot initiative that requires the approval of California voters in November 2012. According to California’s Legislative Analyst’s Office, revenue estimates for the initiative vary widely – from $6.8 billion to $9 billion for 2012-13 and from $5.4 billion to $7.6 billion, on average, in each of the following five fiscal years, with lesser amounts in 2018-19.Additional revenues generated by this tax increase would be considered General Fund revenues for the purpose of calculating General Fund Proposition 98 obligations. 
     
    ???????? HOW DO THEY DO THIS ??????? To achieve these revenues, <U>personal income tax rates will be increased for seven years  AND the state’s sales —AND— use tax rate will be increased for four years. </U> Specifically, the personal income tax portion of the proposal will add three new personal income tax brackets with rates above 9.3 percent. These new rates will be effective for seven years beginning January 1, 2012 through the end of the 2018 tax year for both single and joint taxpayers. 
     
    <U>====>THE LETTER: </U>Good morning – As of today, the temporary “Payroll Tax Cut” which reduced the employee tax share of Social Security – is set to expire December 31, 2012.  Currently the employee tax share is 4.2%. When the current legislation expires, that rate will go back to 6.2% on FICA wages paid after January 1, 2013. What does this means to you? You will see a tax increase of 2% on your FICA wages on the paycheck starting January.

  • protectliberty

    Tax Increases for All in 2013?
     
    Federal Tax Increases Beginning in January 2013, the largest single year tax increase in U.S. history – approximately $500 billion – is scheduled to take effect. While most of the tax increases are due to the expiration of long-term tax policies, such as the Bush tax cuts, and short-term economy stimulating tax cuts, like the temporary Social Security Payroll Tax Reduction and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) “fix” also included in this calculation is the imposition of a new set of taxes that are part of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, (known affectionately as Obamacare).
     
    CALIF EXODUS AHEAD—————- > California Tax Increases:
    In addition to the looming federal tax increases, the centerpiece of Governor Jerry Brown’s budget proposal is a seven-year $47 billion “temporary” tax increase.
     
    ???????? HOW DO THEY DO THIS ???????
    To achieve these revenues, personal income tax rates will be increased for seven years  AND the state’s sales —AND— use tax rate will be increased for four years.
     
    THE LETTER from HR DEPT:
    Good morning – As of today, the temporary “Payroll Tax Cut” which reduced the employee tax share of Social Security – is set to expire December 31, 2012.  Currently the employee tax share is 4.2%. When the current legislation expires, that rate will go back to 6.2% on FICA wages paid after January 1, 2013. What does this means to you? You will see a tax increase of 2% on your FICA wages on the paycheck starting January.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    The indigenous people throughout both Americas practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. They slaughtered many of the EVIL EUROPEANS. If you are STILL FRETTING ABOUT THAT, you have the emotions of a 7 year old.—————————————-
    Nothing in history has caused more mental PATHOLOGY, THAN SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE.
    The voice of Elmo, on Pubic TV, is a CHILD MOLESTER—-I WISH HE WOULD BE STRICKEN DEAD BY A BOLT OF LIGHTNING.
    http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/pbs-has-a-penn-state-problem/#comment-733300630 Myrt and Tinman—MAYBE YOU SHOULD TELL HIM HOW MUCH YOU LOVE HIM—Have a NICE-ORGANIC-PIECEFILLED-!

  • JC1929

    http://wildflowerpress.biz/articles/show/4 Rex1939 old man…..I searched to get a definition even you might understand when you come out with “God’s Housel” If I defined it for you and signed my moniker you would accuse me of more of your poison, so I took the neutral ground. Please, please get it right.YOu cliock on that url and it will open., Or if you can’t do that, copy the urel and pu it inthe topa ddress bar and huit paste, then use enter button and you are in. Got it, old man. honey. .

    • JC1929

      oops, it is rex1949 younger than I thought. That accounts for your attitude…I’m older than you! LOL

    • Rex1949

      @JC1929 Nothing wrong with my spelling dear. And you think your trying to impress people here when in reality your only making a fool out of yourself and acting like a stupid individual. You sound like you have the mentally of a 2 year old. I think you need to grow up. And people on here are laughing at you like I said. That is the only reason they like you on here is to make fun of you.

      • Rex1949

        Jc1929: I never said you was a man or woman. I didn’t know who or what you was. Truthfully Idon’t care what you are. I know one thing truthfully about you. Your a fool. who gets made fun of. And acts like a idiot. I do know that. And your only showing how stupid your acting. Because your trying to add words into my mouth I never indicated. so shut the heck up idiot.

        • JC1929

          @Rex1949 Watch your blood pressure there, old man. :) Yes, you did, indeed you did tell someone on here I was a man and I corrected you. You are so very easy to bait. And your language….my oh my, did you take grammar? Bye for now sweetie. I love you, how could I no when you provide so much reason to laugh.

        • JC1929

          @Rex1949 Oh, Rex, there you go again name calling. So you think me a fool? Okay. Think what pleases you, Doesn’t bother me for I love the Lord and HE loves me.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 Are you sure? I try to impress no one, nor do I think I am trying to impres anyone? Why should I when I have much, like better to do like helping you spell? Or write correct English.

      • JC1929

        @Rex1949 Are you sure?

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    To atheists who LOVE EVIL, KILLING IN SELF DEFENSE, IS WORSE THAN MURDER. Sad thing IS, virtually ALL OF YOU WHO CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS FEEL THE EXACTLY SAME WAY———————-Dr. Run Disciples love your muskets OK, but will only use them against US, who SHOVE OUR MORALITY INTO EVERY ORIFACE IN YOUR WIMPY BODIES.»»»»When Jesus sent out The 12, He told them to go UNSHOD, EMPTY-HANDED, and with no cash. Just before He was crucified, He instructed the men to carry money and SWORDS. NOT, SYMBOLIC OR FIGURATIVE SWORDS, OR ONES FOR ARTS AND CRAFTS. Swords to DEFEND THEIR LIVES WITH—When Jesus said—Those who LIVE BY THE SWORD SHALL DIE BY THE SWORD»»»USING THE WEAPONS, O_F_F_E_N_S_I_V_E_L_Y.
    He DID NOT SAY TO LET EVIL MEN MURDER THEM, WHICH IS SUICIDE.
    http://m.biblestudytools.com/luke/passage.aspx?q=luke%2022:31-38
    Luke 22; 35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?””Nothing,” they answered.___________________________________________
    36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      If I threatened to kill you Christian_POSSUMS, AND SAID I HATE YOUR IMAGINARY SKY GOD, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I HATE YOU, YOU’D WANT TO TAKE ME HOME WITH AND LET HAVE A SLEEP-OVER WITH YOUR CHILDREN. It’s the VERY NATURE OF EVIL¿!¡

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      If I threatened to kill you Christian_POSSUMS, AND SAID I HATE YOUR IMAGINARY SKY GOD, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I HATE YOU, YOU’D WANT TO TAKE ME HOME, LET HAVE A SLEEP-OVER WITH YOUR CHILDREN, your spouses, your pets and yourselves. It’s the VERY NATURE OF EVIL¿!¡

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        Man, this thing call HATE IS EATING YOU UP, and if you do not do something about it you will continue to LIVE IN DARKNESS, Amen!
         
        I think I understand why you choose the name LIGHTVDRAK; and If you keep dwelling in DARKNESS, YOU WILL BECOME WHAT YOU ARE EATING, AND THAT IS HATE, I feel very sorry you; because you have chosen to SIT IN THE DARK AND BE OVERCOME BY IT, Amen!
         
        Nevertheless, I am PRAYING FOR YOU AND THOSE THAT HAVE HATE IN THEIR HEART, BECAUSE THERE IS HOPE, AND THAT HOPE IS IN YESHUA THE CHRIST,
         
        WHERE IS THE LOVE THAT HAS NO COLOR? YOU DO QUOTE MANY SCRIPTURES, THE DEVIL (EVIL) CAN QUOTE SCRIPTURES; BUT HE CANNOT LIVE THE SCRIPTURES THAT HE MIGHT BE QUOTING, Amen! 
         
        COME OUT OF THE DARKNESS AND INTO THE LIGHT, AND HOLD ON TO LIVE AND NOT SPUR OUT DEATH THAT YOU MY FRIEND SEEM TO HAVE IN YOUR HEART, Amen!
         
        Mr. Evans

  • ptefft

    Some people use blogs for making hatred statements to others making comments.  I don’t really know anyone on this blog but it is easy to see how angry and devious they can be.  When you identify who they are my advise is to ignore their posts, don’t even open them, delete them, you are better off.  Problem is either they know they are evil or very angry at the world or they don’t realize it.  When people do things just to try and make you angry thats pretty much a person with no morals and simply very low class.  I’ve only met one person who fits this catagory but I didn’t get mad, I was very sorry for that person and continue to be.  Everyone else seems to be tolerable and polite in their responses.  Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ptefft Very good advice. You already know where they are coming from with no intention of changing, the only sensible thing to do is ignore them or delete.
       
      Thanks for caring.

  • ptefft

    Evermyrtle.  You seem to be very nice and decent.  I too have experienced people on this blog that intentionally use it to create hatred and ugliness.  If I might offer you and others a suggestion.  Once you realize who you are dealing with, simply delete that person when it comes across.  You don’t even have to read it.  Simply delete it and let them find someone else to accuse, hate and call ugly names.  These people who say things like this are disturbed, angry, pious.  Do yourself a favor, delete them.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ptefft Excellent idea, I usually don’t read them after I realize their intention is to insult. They just cannot stand the truth.

  • ptefft

    I hope everyone doesn’t completely label the Episcopal church as a whole church wrong in this decision.  I know some who are very blilical and very conservative in their approach to theology.  The problem being they are in that particular denomination.  I have the same concern with my church denomination.  I am a Presbyterian and the Presbyterian Church USA recently voted to allow “practicing” gay people in the ministry.  There are several very blilical Presbyterian church denominations that believe and practice blilical truths.  We are not associated with the liberal branch of Presbyterianism.  Like the Episcopalians not all would allow muslims in their sacred places of worship.  Please understand also that we are not against gay people.  We object to the lifestyle in that God clearly states its an abomination in his sight.  Can’t wait to read the follow ups on this.  Be nice or you will forever get deleted.

    • ptefft

      The correct spelling is biblical, sorry I am embarrassed.

  • ptefft

    When you state that Christianity distorts the truth of Jesus’s words why in the world do you qoute so many verses of Scripture talking about what Jesus did here and there and what he said for his followers to do or don’t do.  I mean that doesn’t make much sense.  Just wondering why you use the Scripture to deny the Scriptures teachings.  God exists and there is only one place where God talks to His people and thats the Holy Scripture.  Jesus was God in the flesh, incarnate and made no mistakes, He was perfect in everything he did and said.  Islam is of the devil, Satan and anyone who believes in it has a fast track ticket to hell.  Be nasty, rude or indecent and I will delete all your responses in the future.  Be civil.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Bumper stinker seen in Gaevermont—I VOTE FOR THE CHILDREN.»»»»»»»»»
    Isaiah 3:4 Douay-Rheims Bible»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    And I will give CHILDREN to be their PRINCES, and the EFFEMINATE shall rule over them.
    §§§₩₩₩§§§₩₩₩₩§§§§₩₩₩$$$$₩₩₩₩§§§§$$$¢¢¢₩₩₩§§§₩₩BE NICE¢¢¢¢¢¢¢¢
    PFFFFFFFT SNEERED»»»»You seem to be VERY NICE AND DECENT(^). I too have experienced people on this blog that intentionally use it to create hatred and ugliness.  If I might offer you and others a suggestion.  Once you realize who you are dealing with, simply delete that person when it comes across.  You don’t even have to read it.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Pfffffffffft__ Excellent idea, I usually don’t read them after I realize their intention is to insult. They just cannot stand the truth. You and me is the nicest peepils in the hole whirl—Cuz we gut Jeesises LOV AN TWOOTH. Tat ligt darkthing is sooo ICKY AND HATFIL. NOTTA CRISGIN. I HATE IT AN WISZ I CUD KILLT.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    GOD HATES COWARDS. HE REALLY DOES!—————————————————
    He who does not PUNISH EVIL COMMANDS IT TO BE DONE. Leonardo da Vinci————
    Neutral men are the devil’s ALLIES. Edwin Hubbel Chapin————————————-

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    Man, this thing call HATE IS EATING YOU UP, and if you do not do something about it you will continue to LIVE IN DARKNESS, Amen!
    I think I understand why you choose the name LIGHTVDRAK; and If you keep dwelling in DARKNESS, YOU WILL BECOME WHAT YOU ARE EATING, AND THAT IS HATE, I feel very sorry you; because you have chosen to SIT IN THE DARK AND BE OVERCOME BY IT, Amen!
    Nevertheless, I am PRAYING FOR YOU AND THOSE THAT HAVE HATE IN THEIR HEART, BECAUSE THERE IS HOPE, AND THAT HOPE IS IN YESHUA THE CHRIST,
     WHERE IS THE LOVE THAT HAS NO COLOR? YOU DO QUOTE MANY SCRIPTURES, THE DEVIL (EVIL) CAN QUOTE SCRIPTURES; BUT HE CANNOT LIVE THE SCRIPTURES THAT HE MIGHT BE QUOTING, Amen! 
     COME OUT OF THE DARKNESS AND INTO THE LIGHT, AND HOLD ON TO LIVE AND NOT SPUR OUT DEATH THAT YOU MY FRIEND SEEM TO HAVE IN YOUR HEART, Amen!
     Mr. Evans

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @ELOHIMISGOD-You are a pathetic weenie. Go hide under your bed until the Jihad arrives(too late). Better still, don a burqa, and make that little trilling noise with your kisser. SNIVELING COWARD—

      • JC1929

        @lightvdark do you hear my hand clapping on your behalf? We both seem to rouse the negative emotions in here. Not even intending to. I thought your name spelled out was “light VERSUS DARK” Is it not????

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @ELOHIMISGOD—- ADULT CHILDREN RULE. Atheists are sociopaths. LIBERAL_CHRISTIANS(sic) PACIFY THEM—Western Civ, RIP—God is PUNISHING US.
      Liberalism=SATANISM»»»
      All churches have become LIBERALIZED. Meaning»»»We shall LOVE OUR ENEMIES AND LET THEM RAPE, MURDER AND CONQUER US.
      http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/07/pinnacle-of-self-destruction.html?m=1————————————————–
      So, we see a case of causeless, self-destructive hatred. This senseless and absolutely irrational self-hatred could be explained by only one thing: the suicide syndrome characteristic of cultures in their last stage of dying. In lack of ideals, vital forces, and even instinct of self-preservation they surrender themselves to barbarians, with flattering and even masochistic humility give themselves up to rough and despotic conquerors.

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @ELOI are EATEN BY MORLOCKS·····
      Happy-Face-Faux-Christians are ALWAYS CHIRPING, JOHN 3:16. Three short verses later— John 3:19 (WYC)—— And this is the DOOM, FOR LIGHT CAME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED MORE DARKNESS THAN LIGHT; FOR THEIR WORKS WERE EVIL(^).

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    The absolute CATASTROPHY, WESTERN CIV IS IN, CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED. The pathetic Adult-Children who permeate this society»»»Pagans, Faux-Christian-Possums, A-GNOSTICS AND LILY-LIVERED-LICENTIOUS-LIBERTATIANS, snipe and bitch at each other as Mad_Dog_Muslims and Communists are scorching the earth.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» Somebody like Sarah Palin comes along and ALL TRIBES, WANT TO RAPE, TORTURE, GUILLOTINE AND DEVOUR HER AND HER FAMILY. God is definately punishing us.
    Note»»The owner of this next piece is a Dr. Run Disciple and a Mr._Natural_Food_GEEK¿!
    ———-
    #9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack»»»
    http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#ixzz2E3IMFpsP

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Now matter how evil or depraved somebody is, the COWARD, CANNOT CONDEMN HIM.
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
    Aisha the Child Wife of Muhammad_________________________________________
    By Ali Sina ——-
    The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    I quote all kinds of sources»»»» *Evil hates the TRUTH, but She REALLY LOATHES RESISTANCE.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
    John Stuart Mill is often quoted by Leftists. This is the BEST quote I found, regarding war.»
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

    • Ithamar

      @lightvdark Very good quote by Mill, and very true. The modern American ‘Christian’ who is not personally willing to fight evil (and condemn those who do) and babble about loving sinners into heaven seem quite willing to allow other Christians to suffer for their faith at the hands of wicked men, while they are far removed from it. Their current place of security earned by those who physically fought and suffered will one day end. They are not worthy of the liberty and security earned by those better than themselves.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @Ithamar, I have tears in my eyes. God bless you my brother. Purge the SCOURGE!

    • DrProTruth

      @lightvdark
      Many have cited this quote but it is believed to be originally said by Edmund Burke (January 12, 1729 – July 9, 1997): “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
       
      While it is our responsibility to pray for the salvation of ALL people, including our enemies like the Muslim people, it is also our responsibility–if need be–to fight evil to the death–either theirs or ours. We do not have the luxury to idly sit by while the enemy swarms around us and annihilates our nation and our freedom. Good men and women must rise up and take a stand against the evil that is befalling us, and it starts with taking a stand against the imposter who currently occupies the Oval Office of these United States. If need be, we must take up arms–while we still have arms to take up–and resist this evil to the death.
       
      This new anti-war mindset in America began in the 60s, and I well remember the day my husband landed at Travis Air Force Base after an 18-month tour in Vietnam fighting to keep America and her ally South Vietnam free. He recalls running for the plane on the Tarmac at the Da Nang airport that day while under extreme fire from the Viet Kong who had surrounded the airport and bombarded our soldiers with a barrage of bullets as the last men ran for the last plane to leave Vietnam for almost two months.
       
      One would think that our soldiers would have received the greeting of heroes upon return to the United States, but when they landed at Travis Air Force Base in Oakland, California, the soldiers were booed and jeered at by Vietnam War protesters who anxiously awaited the arrival of that plane with the sole purpose to disgrace those who had just risked their lives to preserve the right of those protesters to do just that. What a disgrace and what a blot on our reputation as the first and foremost leader of the free world.
       
      May God wake up America before it is too late! May God, have mercy on us all.

      • DrProTruth

        @lightvdark Someone once said, “If it’s not worth dying for, it’s not worth having.” Another once said, “If you do not stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” Both are true sentiments, in my humble opinion…

      • DrProTruth

        @lightvdark Someone once said, “If it’s not worth dying for, it’s not worth having.” Another once said, “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” Both are true sentiments, in my humble opinion…

        • Rex1949

          @DrProTruth: Hello there .

        • DrProTruth

          @Rex1949 Hello, to you, too…

      • DrProTruth

        @lightvdark There are those who believe that we either pray for our enemies, or we take up arms against our enemies–in reality–the two are not mutually exclusive.
         
        At times–as with Moses and the Red Sea miracle–God calls us to “stand still and see the salvation of the Lord while He fights the battle for us and drives our enemies to take up a destroy themselves,” while other times–as with Joshua and the Jericho miracle–He calls us to take up our swords and utterly destroy our enemies.
         
        But always, He calls us to trust ourselves and everything “to Him Who judges fairly” for the battle is always His and if we trust Him and follow His instructions, He will lead us as to how we should fight our enemies who stand before us threatening our very existence.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Last one of early Wednesday»»»»Next one of you POSSUMS, CALLS ME AN HATER, IS GOING TO GET A DUTCH RUB, PINK BELLY AND A FELONY WEDGIE———————–
    Do You Tolerate Evil? http://www.obeygod.com/doyoutolerateevil.htm____________________
    ____________________________________________________________________________________
    “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Rom 1:32)______________________
    A shocking thing is happening in American religion. Many religious people who claim to love God also approve of or tolerate things that God hates. The Bible says, “Hate that which is evil; cling to that which is good” (Rom 12:9) and “Let those who love the LORD hate evil” (Ps 97:10), but many people who claim to follow the Bible do not hate evil. Rather, even though they themselves may not commit evil deeds, they tolerate evil and those who practice it.__________________________________________________________________________
    As Romans 1:32 says, there are two things you can do to anger God–commit sin or tolerate and approve of sin.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Last one of early Wednesday»»»»Next one of you POSSUMS, CALLS ME AN HATER, IS GOING TO GET A DUTCH RUB, PINK BELLY AND A FELONY WEDGIE———————–
    Do You Tolerate Evil? http://www.obeygod.com/doyoutolerateevil.htm ___________________
    ____________________________________________________________________________________
    “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Rom 1:32)______________________
    A shocking thing is happening in American religion. Many religious people who claim to love God also approve of or tolerate things that God hates. The Bible says, “Hate that which is evil; cling to that which is good” (Rom 12:9) and “Let those who love the LORD hate evil” (Ps 97:10), but many people who claim to follow the Bible do not hate evil. Rather, even though they themselves may not commit evil deeds, they tolerate evil and those who practice it.__________________________________________________________________________
    As Romans 1:32 says, there are two things you can do to anger God–commit sin or tolerate and approve of sin.

    • JC1929

      @lightvdark What are those? Pray tell! Dutch Rub and the other two? Not in my vocabulary.

      • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

        @JC1929 —Start sneering at me for an hater, JC, and YOU WILL FIND OUT. Plus, I’ll throw in a couple of NIPPLE-CRIPPLES, to make sure you got the message.»»»»»»»»»»Because you and your little buds here are such CHILDREN, you get stuck on GOOFINESS, and you cannot even LOOK @ TRUTH—- As Romans 1:32 says, there are two things you can do to anger God–commit sin or tolerate and approve of sin.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark I asked you a simple question for I never heard them before. Sorry if I somehow offended you.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @JC1929, your STUBBORN CHILD SCHTICK IS INFURIATING. You are 83? I’ll bet you spent HOURS AND HOURS PER DAY, from the late 60s, ON A CB RADIO, BEING EQUALLY as SILLY.____________________________
          As Romans 1:32 says, there are two things you can do to anger God–commit sin or tolerate and approve of sin.

        • JC1929

          @lightvdark I ask a simple question and you get very nasty. I do not know the definitions I asked you about. You are getting your cues from REX.

  • Rex1949

    JC1929: I have replied to some of your messages here. Not all of them. As I find you Boring and dull. As you are sick in your thinking. against God and mankind. I heard others condemn you as well. So means your opinions are not worth the time printing back to someone of a low degree when they have there priorities in the wrong direction. I have more knowledge in my little finger then you do in your whole body. Mainly but lastly I laugh at your comments to me as well as to others who condemn you. As your making a 100% fool out of yourself. So keep talking on this post. As people are laughing at you. And want you to continue so they can laugh more about you is all. The joke is on you.

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 You just cannot give up the insulting, can you? You poor fool! Three days and you keep it up and keep it up. BTW did you get the piece I did a search for just to teach you what “God’s house” is and whatr it isn’t”? See how generous I am? I suppose I am as bad as you for here I am back to see if you had added more. Sure enough…more vemom. Can’t you tell when you are being teased? Are you sure they are laughing about me and not YOU! ROFLOL

  • Rex1949

    pteff: The reason some are hateful on here is because they can’t accept the truth that God died on the cross for there sins and they are in denial of that concept. Plus the fact. They seem to not accept the facts it is wrong and sinful to have others witness in other churches who do not believe in God and belive in Muslim faith as preaching there words is right in a House of God. What did God do when he caught merchandisers in his house selling for there profits huh? Think on that idea. God does not like someone using his house for practing idols- Santantic ways in his house either. Like for example JC1929 and few others think this idea of using Gods house for Satans sinful ways is ok. I thik there in for a rude awaking some day for there opinion on that. And personally I am not replying back anymore to these hateful persons and there sinful ways either. So write me all you want. say what you have to say by juding me. God knows my heart. Certainly they do not. I am sure your a smart person and forget these ugly mean individuals there pteff. They lost souls who live for Satan.

    • ptefft

      @Rex1949
       Thank you Rex1949.  I continue to get posts from a certain individual but He, She, (Devil) has been dismissed permanently.  Doesn’t bother me anymore.  Take Care.

      • JC1929

        @ptefft @Rex1949 oh, but it evidently does still bother you. LOL

    • DrProTruth

      @Rex1949 I so agree with you, Rex1949. Some may believe just because the veil has been lifted and we can now enter the Holy of Holies through our Lord Jesus Christ, and that we become the temple of the Holy Spirit when we put our complete faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, does not negate the Holiness of God’s House–the actual Church building itself.
       
      I believe–as the Church–we have assumed so much. I’ve studied the Word from when I became a born-again Christian Easter Sunday, 1966, and have many degrees in theology behind my name, and I have never found in Scripture where God’s House does not remain Holy, for wherever God’s Spirit dwells, that place is Holy. I do believe we defile His House and His very Name when we link arms with false religions.
       
      It is one thing to love our enemies and pray for those who use us and abuse us; it is quite another to share the pulpit like so many churches across America are now embracing a thing called Chrislam–what an abomination that Christian leaders would link themselves with such heresy as the religion of Islam, and allow an Imam to read from the Qur’an alongside the supposed Minister of the Gospel to read from God’s Holy Word–this is an abomination and violates several of His Commandments as well as everything that is considered Sacred.
       
      Indeed, it is a physical impossibility to to mingle light with darkness, for the moment light appears, darkness disappears! Those who contend they can mix light with darkness should place themselves in a pitch black closet and turn on a flashlight and see what happens to the darkness that once was in that closet. So it is in the spiritual realm. Light dispels darkness.
       
      Thus, any denomination that would officially consent to any part of their body to link with darkness, they themselves cease to walk in the Light. The writer of 1 John 1:7 tells us that “if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” The operative here is “we have fellowship one with another.” Thus, how can light have fellowship with darkness? Does this mean if we try and mix light with darkness, the blood of Jesus Christ ceases to cleanse us from all sin? I don’t know, but I would not want to try and mix light with darkness in the here and now, only to find at the day of judgment that I was wrong.
       
      Our Savior warns: “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible” (Matt. 24:24).
       
      The apostle warns: “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” (2 Cor. 6:14-15).
       
      Thank you, for standing firm on this, Rex. Blessings, dear friend in Christ~

      • Rex1949

        @DrProTruth : Thanks for your comment. It is a shame some on here do not value my input I have said but only critize with chastening from there lips in my belief. Some claim there a Christain who have chastized me. But I know they must be wolves in sheep clothing. Too bad they lack the common sense to know the true value of Christ our Father. Thanks again.

        • DrProTruth

          @Rex1949  @DrProTruth The unfortunate thing is many genuine Christians sit under Bible teachers who do not properly exegete Scripture to understand the original meaning of Scripture during the time it was written, and thus, lead many astray as they preach from opinion rather than truth… Many blessings, dear friend~

        • JC1929

          @Rex1949 You got it right there, pal, this person values your input not a bit. Please use their, not there, in the proper mode. And spell “Christian correctly.And “Christ the father” disturbs me for Christ is the SON and very God as well.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DrProTruth  @Rex1949 I think that is a great problem in the world today, GOD’S WORD is not being taught as it should be. So often if you have been taught as a Bible  Scholar, you have been taught with a lot of added things that are not in HIS WORD. While trying to explain what he thinks he has learned  you can get many untruths added. Because you are known as a highly trained Bible Scholar, people believe every word that proceeds out if the mouth  We must be careful and if it does not back up GOD’S WORD leave it alone.
           
          We do have many people on this site who are dedicated in seeing that he “PURE WORD” is taught and are doing  wonderful job. Just be careful because GOD’S WORD SAYS IN REV 22:18-21
           
          18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, GOG shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
          19. And if any man shall take away from the word of the book of this prophecy, GOD shall take away his part out of the book  of life, and out of the Holy City, an from the things which are written in this book.
          20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly, Amen. Even so, come quickly, LORD JESUS.
          21. The grace of our LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you all. Amen.

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @Rex1949 I find it remarkable how when someone has a differing view than that of others on this blog, that person is immediately indicted as some sort of false prophet–or worse–who is doomed to perdition because they dare post an opposing position on an argument.
           
          Let me be clear–Bible Scholar, or no, every teacher of God’s Word–anyone who stands in the pulpit and represents God to His people–has the obligation and the responsibility to study God’s Word and rightly divide it beforehand to determine its meaning, in order to deliver absolute truth to those whom God has placed under their leadership. This does not happen when teachers or pastors et al stand in the pulpit and deliver their personal opinion concerning God’s Word, unless–like the apostle Paul–they preface or conclude their message by saying, “This is my opinion, and not necessarily God.”
           
          There are many on this blog who choose to live under the Law of Sin and Death over against live under the Law of Grace and Truth. A word of caution to those friends: If we live under the Law, then we are under a curse, for–as Paul warns–cursed is he who breaks the Law, and it is impossible to keep the Law in its entirety. The very reason God had to send His Son, is because without Jesus dying in our place for our sins, we would all still be under the curse of the Law of Sin and Death.

        • DrProTruth

          @Evermyrtle  @Rex1949 I so agree, Evermyrtle. Too often, believers go to seminary to learn God’s Word, only to come out of the other side of their education with their degrees in-hand and their letters after their name–and their faith in a Holy God shattered and shaken to its core.
           
          A recent Barna Poll reveals approximately 60% of evangelical pastors question the omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience of a Holy God, the deity of Jesus, His virgin birth, and that He lived a sinless…
           
          To that end, they would have been better served had they home, saved their money, and became a plumber or a banker et al and retained their faith in God.

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 I do wish, Rex that you would use the proper spelling fof their when it is in the possessive mode. “There” is a place, “their is possessive. Get it?

    • JC1929

      @Rex1949 Aha, did you read the letter about God’s house from Thethinman and LaramieKid, Rex? And still you deny the fact the church is not holy in irself. You are taking the words to the money changers out of context, misinterpreting them.

  • DrProTruth

    Many have been credited with this quote but it is believed to be originally said by Edmund Burke (January 12, 1729 – July 9, 1997): “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
     
    While it is our responsibility to pray for the salvation of ALL people, including our enemies like the Muslim people, it is also our responsibility–if need be–to fight evil to the death–either theirs or ours. We do not have the luxury to idly sit by while the enemy swarms around us and annihilates our nation and our freedom. Good men and women must rise up and take a stand against the evil that is befalling us, and it starts with taking a stand against the imposter who currently occupies the Oval Office of these United States. If need be, we must take up arms–while we still have arms to take up–and resist this evil to the death.
     
    This new anti-war mindset in America began in the 60s, and I well remember the day my husband landed at Travis Air Force Base after an 18-month tour in Vietnam fighting to keep America and her ally South Vietnam free. He recalls running for the plane on the Tarmac at the Da Nang airport that day while under extreme fire from the Viet Kong who had surrounded the airport and bombarded our soldiers–including my husband–with a barrage of bullets as the last men ran for the last plane to leave Vietnam for almost two months.
     
    One would think that our soldiers would have received the greeting of heroes upon return to the United States, but when they landed at Travis Air Force Base in Oakland, California, my husband along with the other soldiers were booed and jeered at by Vietnam War protesters who anxiously awaited the arrival of that plane with the sole purpose to disgrace those who had just risked their lives to preserve the right of those protesters to do just that. What a disgrace and what a blot on our reputation as the first and foremost leader of the free world.
     
    May God wake up America before it is too late! May God, have mercy on us all.

  • DrProTruth

    Someone once said, “If it’s not worth dying for, it’s not worth having.” Another once said, “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” Both are true sentiments, in my humble opinion…

    • Evermyrtle

      @DrProTruth That is basically,my motto.

  • DrProTruth

    There are those who believe that we either pray for our enemies, or we take up arms against our enemies–in reality–the two are not mutually exclusive.
     
    At times–as with Moses and the Red Sea miracle–God calls us to “stand still and see the salvation of the Lord” while He fights the battle for us and drives our enemies to take up a destroy themselves,” while other times–as with Joshua and the Jericho miracle–He calls us to take up our swords and utterly destroy our enemies.
     
    But always, He calls us to “trust everything to Him Who judges fairly” for the battle is always His and if we trust Him and follow His instructions, He will lead us as to how we should fight our enemies who stand before us threatening our very existence.

  • DrProTruth

    There are those who believe that we either pray for our enemies, or we take up arms against our enemies–in reality–the two are not mutually exclusive.
     
    At times–as with Moses and the Red Sea miracle–God calls us to “stand still and see the salvation of the Lord” while He fights the battle for us and drives our enemies to destroy themselves,” while other times–as with Joshua and the Jericho miracle–He calls us to take up our swords and utterly destroy our enemies.
     
    But always, He calls us to “trust everything to Him Who judges fairly” for the battle is always His and if we trust Him and follow His instructions, He will lead us as to how we should fight our enemies who stand before us threatening our very existence.

    • Evermyrtle

      @DrProTruth What you are saying reminds me of Mark 13:11…..Take no thought  beforehand what you shall speak, neither do you premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak  you: for it is not you that speak, but THE HOLY GHOST. If we will put all things in HIS HANDS HE will surely take car of it..We usually do not want advice from GOD we already know everything,it seems.

      • JC1929

        @Evermyrtle Oh, oh!

  • DrProTruth

    Many have been credited with this quote but it is believed to be originally said by Edmund Burke (January 12, 1729 – July 9, 1997): “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
     
    While it is our responsibility to pray for the salvation of ALL people, including our enemies like radical Islam terrorists, it is also our responsibility–if need be–to fight evil to the death–either theirs or ours. We do not have the luxury to idly sit by while the enemy swarms around us and annihilates our nation and our freedom. Good men and women must rise up and take a stand against the evil that is befalling us, and it starts with taking a stand against the imposter who currently occupies the Oval Office of these United States. If need be, we must take up arms–while we still have arms to take up–and resist this evil to the death.
     
    This anti-war mindset in America began in the 60s, and I well remember the day my husband landed at Travis Air Force Base after an 18-month tour in Vietnam fighting to keep America and her ally South Vietnam free. He recalls running for the plane on the Tarmac at the Da Nang airport that day while under extreme fire from the Viet Kong who had surrounded the airport and bombarded our soldiers–including my husband–with a barrage of bullets as the last men ran for the last plane to leave Vietnam for almost two months.
     
    One would think that our soldiers would have received the greeting of heroes upon return to the United States, but when they landed at Travis Air Force Base in Oakland, California, my husband–along with the other soldiers–were booed and jeered at by Vietnam War protesters who anxiously awaited the arrival of that plane with the sole purpose to disgrace those who had just risked their lives to preserve the right of those protesters to do just that.
     
    What a disgrace and what a blot on our reputation as the first and foremost leader of the free world.
     
    May God wake up America before it is too late! May God, have mercy on us all.

    • JC1929

      @DrProTruth So you are the creator of the dvd I ordered from CBD? Sorry, I thoguht you were a man. LOL Well, so does REx1949 think I am! I love to bait him, he is so Christian. Yeh, sure.

      • DrProTruth

        @JC1929  @DrProTruth Yes, I am the creator of the DVD “Change the Heart Change the World” and No, I’m not a man! LOL! Don’t apologize–I get this very often! It’s so amusing how when people see my background and my credentials, more often than not, they think I’m a man! LOL!  ;D Blessings, dear friend~

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth I got it from magnifying the DVD so I could see the author’s name. Guess I was mistaken or perhaps that is the reader. I wasn’t giving credit where it wasn’t due just because of the male name.

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth Please, don’t think I’m upset, JC1929…I am not upset in the least!  :D  What I am saying is, I find it amusing that when we–any of us–see Dr in front of a name, we generally assume that person is male. I do this, myself, all the time!

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth …oh, if you magnified the DVD cover to see the author’s name, you would have seen my husband listed as the Executive Producer, and you would have seen my name listed as the Supervising Producer. When you see the term “Executive Producer” on film credits, you are actually seeing the name of the person who financed the film. When you see the term “Executive Producer” you are actually seeing the name of the person who oversaw every aspect of the production of the film–including the scriptwriting, directing, producing, etc–in many cases–as in mine–you are also seeing the name of the creator and the writer of the film. Hope this clears things up!  :D

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth ..oh, if you magnified the DVD cover to see the author’s name, you would have seen my husband listed as the Executive Producer, and you would have seen my name listed as the Supervising Producer. When you see the term “Executive Producer” on film credits, you are actually seeing the name of the person who financed the film. When you see the term “Supervising Producer” you are actually seeing the name of the person who oversaw every aspect of the production of the film–including the scriptwriting, directing, producing, etc–in many cases–as in mine–you are also seeing the name of the creator and the writer of the film. Hope this clears things up!  :D
           
          PS–I wish it was possible to edit on this website!  :/

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth LOL INDEED! bUT NOT TOO SOON FOR i AM NOT DONE WITH REX YET.I think he must still be in bed for he hasn’t snarled at me yet. But I see I have another prosecutor of the innocent.
          I am up in the lrft corner and monring has arrived.
          Thanks for explaining the credits.

  • thethinman

    It is just a building – there is NOTHING sacred in it – but the people that attend.

    • JC1929

      @thethinman BRAVO! HEAR THAT REX!

  • Laramie Kid

    As thethinman stated, the church, in fact, any church is comprised of physical things: bricks, mortar, lights, and all the things required to erect an edifice. What make this edifice a church is the thoughts and practices (praxis) of those who sit inside the building. Ahat is why a group of people can sit outside and worship God.
     
    What is important is what does the Episcopal pastors, teachers, and Bishops preach. Yesterday they taught Christian principals: today they teach humanism in its most basest form. They, of course, claim to teach love and pacificism, etd,. but their pratices are more fiting in a moral free-for-all forum.
     
    So they can go worship in a privy, outhouse, latrine, or what ever you call it and feel like god he leading them.
    I left the Episcopalians communit forty years ago and have not regretted it one bit.

    • JC1929

      @Laramie Kid Thank you for truth and for speaking up.in agreement.. It will not be accepted by the accuser, but that doesn’t diminish the fact it is true.
      And thani you “thethinman” too.

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    YOU KNOW I WAS GOING TO REPLY TO LIGHTVDARK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT ALL NEED TO READ THIS, AMEN!
     
    You know in 66 years, I have never been called a COWARD, and you my friend are in a place of SADNESS because you DO NOT HAVE LOVE OR EITHER CANNOT LOVE; BECAUSE OF THE HATE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEART, maybe you do not know that you have it but process that you do, Amen!
     
    When I was FIGHTING IN VIETNAM MY FRIEND I DO NOT THINK YOU WHERE EVEN BORN AT THE TIME, I AM A MARINE AND THERE IS NOTHING YELLOW IN ME OR ABOUT ME, AND I SAY TO YOU DO NOT FORGET THAT, Amen!
     
    I LOVE BECAUSE CHRIST TAUGHT ME HOW, I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO REALLY LOVE ANYONE BUT MYSELF; AND I FEEL THAT YOU ARE LIKE I USE TO BE, Amen!
     
    The REAL POWER IS BEING IN CONTROL OF YOU AND NOT LET OTHERS CONTROL YOU IN ANY WAY, Amen!
     
    I am trying to get where you are coming from amen; because to me it seem like you have a doubt mind, and the HOLY BIBLE TELLS ME AND IT WILL TELL YOU IF YOU READ IT, THAT “A DOUBT MINDED MAN IS UNSTABLE IN ALL HIS WAYS” James 1:8
     
    I think it is much easier to LOVE THAN TO HATE, BUT YOU MY FRIEND NEED TO EASY OFF THE HATE AND PUT ON THE LOVE, Amen!
     
    Listen, take it from the expert, (which I think I am) it is a powerful weapon to LOVE and not let others be in control of you. You see I know how to DEAL WITH THE DEVIL BECAUSE I USE TO BE ONE AND A VERY BIG ONE AT THAT.
     
    If the truth was to be said, if you were in my hood when I was coming up, you probably would not have even come out of your house. I am one of guy that use to live across the tracks, and had to FIGHT EVERYDAY, SO DO NOT TALK ABOUT STUFF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AND THEN CALL ME A COWARD, I WAS NOT A COWARD THEN AND I AM NOT ONE NOW, Amen!
     
    You see Yeshua, made me a warrior in His Kingdom now and the weapon of my warfare now is the WORD OF THE LIVING GOD, AND LOVE IS THE ANSWER FOR ME AND FOR YOU MY FRIEND, Amen!
     
    Again, I an A MARINE and all man, but you do not have to use VIOLENCE OR BE VIOLENT TO OVERCOME HATE, NEVERTHELESS, I KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH HATE AND THE DEVIL FOR THAT MATTER, Amen!
     
    Listen my friend, there is enough hate in the world and I do not think that we need to add to hate because hate will increase by everyone that has that in his or her HEARTS, but my Bible tells me that LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SINS AND FAULTS, Amen!
     
    PS: I do not have all the time that you guys may have to be on this site, but we can be RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER AND SHARE WHAT IS IN OUR HEARTS FOR OUR COUNTRY AND OUR PEOPLE, Amen!
     
    Mr. Evans

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      @ELOHIMISGOD. MR. EVANS, I hate those who will not condemn EVIL, AS MUCH AS I HATE EVIL.+++++++++
      — Do You TOLERATE EVIL “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Rom 1:32)______________________ A shocking thing is happening in American religion. Many religious people who claim to love God also approve of or tolerate things that God hates. The Bible says, “Hate that which is evil; cling to that which is good” (Rom 12:9) and “Let those who love the LORD hate evil” (Ps 97:10), but many people who claim to follow the Bible do not hate evil. Rather, even though they themselves may not commit evil deeds, they tolerate evil and those commit sin or tolerate and approve of sin.

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        @lightvdark Listen friend; I to HATE EVIL (DEVIL); JUST LIKE MY LORD YESHUA THE CHRIST HATE SIN, NEVERTHELESS, HE DO NOT HATE THE PERSON THAT CARRY’S THE SIN, BUT THE SIN (EVIL) THAT THE PERSON COMMIT!
        You see my friend, the LORD tells me to overcome HATE with HIS LOVE THAT DWELL WITHIN ME, and NOT TO LET EVIL OVERCOME ME, Amen!
        You see my friend; Christ gave me power to “TREAD ON SERPENT AND SCORPIONS, AND OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY; AND NOTHING SHALL BY NO MEANS HURT YOU” Luke 10:19
        You see my friend; I am more than a conqueror through Him that LOVES me.
        You see that power is not just given to me; but all those that BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS, Amen!
        Listen friend; I do not have time to just hate people; my time which is God time, is to important, but I do HATE THE SIN AND EVIL that people does, Amen!
        I had to learn how to do that, because I have HATE IN MY HEART, AND THE LOVE OF CHRIST THE MESSIAH CHANGE ALL THAT FOR ME, but it is easy to hate, but do not hate the person, but HATE THE EVIL spirit that their allow to control them!
        Mr. Evans

    • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

      You may not have been a coward in Vietnam, where you were supposed to be KILLING, SATANIC COMUNIST BEASTS. But, you SURE AS HELL HAVE GREAT SYMPATHY FOR EVIL, TODAY. Please don’t waste your breath, PRAYING FOR ME, BECAUSE GOD FINDS YOUR PRAYERS “DETESTABLE”.

      • NavyJR

        @lightvdark I wonder, are you aware that making an “enemy” something “less” than oneself is a CLASSIC propaganda ploy, so that killing becomes easier achieve, especially among combatants, but it works well to keep others stirred up as well.  It’s one thing to “hate” what another stands for, and quite another thing to minimize that “enemy’s” intelligence or humanity.  In the end, you’ll hurt and demean yourself by doing so.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          It’s not as if you cannot UNDERSTAND THIS. IT ACTUALLY SEEMS TO BE INVISIBLE TO YOU. YOU WON’T TAKE A BREATH BEFORE YOU COME BACK @ ME, TELLING HOW HATEFUL I AM—-»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
          @NavyJR–ALTHOUGH THEY KNOW GOD’S RIGHTEOUS DECREE THAT THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESERVE DEATH, NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO DO THESE VERY THINGS BUT ALSO APPROVE OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM(^)” (Rom 1:32)_

        • NavyJR

          @lightvdark I might be more impressed by an honest response than being preached at.  SO many of the posters here seem to believe this is a pulpit, no matter WHAT the topic of discussion is…  Hiding behind the words of another isn’t an answer or even reasonable response.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          Navy, this is from Saint Paul’s letter to the Romans—COMPLETELY INVISIBLE TO YOU. Now, you will come back @ me and whine about YELLING @ YOU. It is the very nature of EVIL———————————————–
          ALTHOUGH THEY KNOW GOD’S RIGHTEOUS DECREE THAT THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESERVE DEATH, NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO DO THESE VERY THINGS BUT ALSO APPROVE OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM(^)” (Rom 1:32)_

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          Navy, because I believe these Satanic-Skunks deserve death, you just may report me to 0mommy, FOR FELONY_THOUGHT_CRIME»»» When, I couldn’t care less what 2 or more consenting adults(sic) do in PRIVATE.
          But, THIS IS EVIL¿!¡_______________________________
          http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/25/folsom.jpg

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @NavyJR  @lightvdark
           I thought I was the only one thinking this!  Thanks for having the guts to say what I wanted to say, but didn’t.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @Kissy»»»Islam is almost as EVIL, as godlessness and SUICIDAL_PACIFISM. Winston Churchill wrote this in 1899»»» How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.»»»»
          Now, in your poor little bug’s brain, you will start trashing Churchill, or tell me what an ISLAMOPHOBE, I am. You CAN’T HELP IT. AND, I DO NOT PITY YOU. All I can do is PRAY, THAT YOU AND YOUR MOB NEVER GET HOLD OF ME.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NavyJR  @lightvdark I only responded to his/her idiocy a couple of times, best to just ignore him, don’t even red his hostile  posts.

        • NavyJR

          @Kissitgoodbye  And I thought I was alone in it, so you’re welcome; and if we stick together we can “fend it off”!  I don’t do “PC” and figure even if the truth does hurt a bit sometimes it causes less pain in the long run, like yanking a bandage off instead of pulling it  off slow.

        • NavyJR

          @lightvdark In YOUR mind things are “invisible” to those who don’t hold to YOUR view of what is or is not “Christianity”.  I wasn’t speaking to Paul. I was speaking to YOU!  If I want to know what Paul had  to say I know where to find his writings, and have read them MANY times.  Stop hiding behind others’ words!

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @NavyJR @Kissitgoodbye / I don’t usually either, and I was jumped when I said that God cares more about how you treat your fellow man and live your life in a way that honors him. Anyone can memorize scriptures. Talking in scriptures drives me nuts!
          I have never read anything disrespectful that you have posted. I think when you sink to that level, while quoting scriptures, it is a no sequitur.

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @EverNICE»»»Myrt, would you rather break bread with ME, or a Maddog_MUSLIM¿? I AM THE ICKIEST PERSON YOU HAVE EVER MET BOO¿!¡————————————
          SUICIDAL_PACIFISM. Winston Churchill wrote this in 1899»»» How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.»»»»

        • NavyJR

          @Kissitgoodbye  Seems to me the basic Decologue was evenly divided between the relationship to God, and to our fellow humans, not too much about quoting things, and that Jesus said He came to FULFILL the law {Decalogue}, not destroy it, which means it’s still in effect too, which would make your position fairly solid, if you ask me.  But I’m no preacher or teacher.  Thanks, BTW, I do try to keep things respectful, and still get the point across; I don’t always succeed on either count.  Generally the spewing of hatred only fuels the fires.

        • JC1929

          @NavyJR You are like a breath of fresh air in smoke filled room. jc1929

        • NavyJR

          @JC1929 Thank-you; I do try to keep it sane and reasonable.

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        @lightvdark I feel so sorry for you; because you really do not understand the “Kingdom of Jesus the Christ”, Amen!
        I do understand if you do not want my prayers, for the Holy Bible tells me that if I bring the peace of the Living God to a person and if their do not want it to shake the dust off of my feet, Amen!
        Mr. Evans

        • Patricia Teague

          @ELOHIMISGOD  @lightvdark You too have been hurt by words here I see, I really should try to read all these posts but somehow I think coming in here is exactly where I was supposed to come in, if you know what I mean. 
           
          You truly do love the LORD too, and I must have missed the part where this other person didn’t want your prayers.  Peace is a difficult thing for any of us to find in this time of trouble. 
           
          Why are we are Christians fighting with each other?  The Muslims are killing each other over denominational differences but I do wonder how we are so different than them sometimes as we hurt each other with words, you too have been hurt, you too are loved by the LORD, you too LOVE the LORD, what are we doing?
           
          It is my prayer that both of you show the LOVE you have for each other as you LOVE the LORD, for you are truly the ones spoken of when we are told to LOVE one another, believers, not non believers, and LOVE our neighbors as ourselves, neighbors are those who live close to us, next to us.  You may not live next to me or each other in a physical world but you both know the physical world is nothing, the spiritual world is real, this is illusion.  You live close to each other in the spiritual world.  You are LOVED.  Amen?
           
          Hold on Mr Evans it’s not too much longer when we will hear the sound of the trumpet, look up!

        • ELOHIMISGOD

          @Patricia Teague @lightvdark My Sister remember, many are called but few are chosen, and Rom 8:14 say “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God”, Amen!
          You see, when you walk in the POWER of Jesus the Christ, you know that you are the WINNER, because all things works together for good that Loves the Lord and are call according to His purpose, Amen!
          Mr. Evans

        • Patricia Teague

          @ELOHIMISGOD  @Patricia  @lightvdark
          All true, we can only hope in the LORD that we are the ones who are called according to HIS purpose, that we are the one’s who are chosen by God to be the sons of God.
           
            The truth is until we are separated the wheat from the chaff, the goats from the sheep we can only hope that we are the ones who are chosen and are the ones led by the Spirit.  Until that day all we have is hope and speculation that we are the true followers, except for those who teach another gospel, I cannot tell who is true and who is not for these things are not for me to know.  All I can know is believers and non believers according to their profession, and their fruits.  Fruits cannot be determined on a computer screen, profession can be spoken even by the enemy for he knows that God is real, he knows the son of God is real, he knows the word of God, if he did not them even the elect could not be deceived. 
           
          You show a LOVE of the LORD, that I can see on a computer screen, that is all I can know, as you cannot know me from a few words on a computer screen but I do hope you know I LOVE the LORD and believers in HIS WORD, though I am not always so good at showing that as I would like to be.

        • ELOHIMISGOD

          @Patricia Teague @ELOHIMISGOD @Patricia @lightvdark Listen my Sister, the Holy Bible say that we should take no thought for tomorrow, for to tomorrow will take care of it self, Amen!
          None of us can tell what is in each other HEART; and we cannot judge the content of the HEART; nevertheless, you can know the tree by the fruist that they bear, you are right about that, but you my sister to me are not just talking the talk; I believe that are also walking the walk, Amen!
          I have taught Prison ministry for 22 years, and one of the things that the brothers use to always say, “is that their would reather see a sermon anyday than to hear one”!
          The Holy Bible declares, that if you draw near to the LORD YESHUA; he will draw near to you, Amen!
          I know who I am; and I believe that you know who you are, no matter what someone else may say or do, do not worry about what people may say, Amen!
          You FAITH is not base on what other may say or do, it is the LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR JESUS THE CHRIST, and that all it will take; THE AGAPE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD JEHOVAH, Amen!
          Keep the FAITH and BELIEVE IN HIM AND YOURSELF, Amen!

      • JC1929

        @lightvdark How can you use such languatge and attribute them to God?????

        • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

          @JC1929—There are EVIL PEOPLE, AND, YOU, WHO EXCUSE, PACIFY, DEFEND AND FORGIVE THEM.
          Will you sneer at Patricia now++++++++++++++++++++++
          Patricia—WOW, what a testimony!  No wonder you have had to fight so hard against such odds to help people see the pure white light you saw, the LIGHT that lead you out of darkness, I have tears in my eyes thinking of what you have come through, and to.

    • DrProTruth

      @ELOHIMISGOD Amen and Amen, ELOHIMISGOD! And, thank you, dear brother, for your service to our country and to your countrymen! My husband was Sgt. in the 95th Ordinance Division, and served in Vietnam from October 1965 to April 1967. He left for Vietnam 90 days after we were married, and we did not speak to one another or see one another for a year and a half after that. We know something about your experience during that time. Many blessings to you, my friend. And have a very Merry CHRIST-filled CHRISTmas!

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        @DrProTruth May the Heavenly Father; continue to BLESS YOU, MY BROTHER and your family.
        Please tell you husband; thanks for serving his country and America, Amen!
        May the Peace of Yeshua the Christ rest upon you all forever, Amen!
        PS: Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and remember we have the Victory, Amen!
        Mr. Evans

        • JC1929

          Mr. Evans,
          He is a SHE! lol I meanDr.ProTruth. I am eagerly awaiting her hour long dvd and when I ordered she told me. DRPRO please, add the title and forgive me for my old memory.. jc1929

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929 The film is called “Change the Heart Change the World” and is not only available on DVD but the broadcast version is scheduled to air on national television in the next month or so. This film presents Christianity as the broker peace between the descendants of Abraham’s two sons–Isaac and Ishmael–and how Abraham’s descendant–Jesus Christ, Yeshua haMashiach–is the only real hope for peace in the Middle East.

    • NavyJR

      @ELOHIMISGOD Semper Fi, Marine; you’ve come a LONG way!

      • ELOHIMISGOD

        @NavyJR Hey brother “Kura”, think you for your service, but for Christ I would not have made it, my brother did not; but Christ saved me that i and you would talking right now, Amen!
        My brother I have learned to TRUST IN JESUS ALL THE WAY, BECAUSE IF IT WAS NOT FOR, WELL WE WILL MAKE IT, IF WE DO NOT FAINT, Amen!
        Again, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND STAY STRONG, Amen!
        Mr. Evans

    • JC1929

      Mr.Evans, may I ride on your shoulders through this mine field of haters themselves, lying and calling names while blind to truth? I have had more laughs baiting them in an attempt to show them from whence that hatred comes.
      My brother, now deceased in later lire, not battle, served in Pelileu during world War two. Saw no action….gave it to me, his pesky litlle sister instead. LOL Thank you your service to to our country.
      Have a sweet daughter who served in the National Guard when needing work and now is prepped with arms for what I hope never happens.
      Have a good day.

      • DrProTruth

        @JC1929 Much gratitude to your daughter for her volunteer work to help keep America safe! She must be a remarkable young woman to give so selflessly of herself and her time. Blessings, dear friend~

        • JC1929

          @DrProTruth Remarkable she is. Thank you. She is not like me! She is becoming almost like my mother in my old age. Reprimanding and all. Loves the Lord, too. AS I DO, REX. LOL

        • DrProTruth

          @JC1929  @DrProTruth Our adult children do have a way of keeping us accountable, don’t they!!!  LOL  ;D

  • benito44

    @jc1929   I don’t read all the posts here and don’t know rex your referred to —  my opinions are based on reading posts from a marine, reading approved (by muslim scholars) english version of the qur’an  and witnessing from tv and internet news reports from around the world regarding terrorist atrocities by followers of islam.   I am not a “hater” of muslims, but do not share their views which puts me in a position of being lied to, enslaved, or killed by islamists, none of which is desireable for me.  I will work withing the framework of US law to oust all muslims from this wonderful country. Posting insults is a waste of time and is not necessary.

    • JC1929

      @benito44 I think you are not familiar with the chats between Rex and me which have been going on for four ays. He hates me so and lies about me ande gets riled up when I laugh at him. The insult as you call them are just in fun, like calling him, Honey. Of course, your words may have referred to other mails,not ours, but I wanted you to be clear. When you said you are not a hater of muslims it’s a wonder you were not then called a lover of muslim as I was. I don’t know what prompted it,but I replied something to the effect of not painting them with a wide brush. This is my first mail to you, Benito, one in agreement.

  • JC1929

    Goodnight all Christian brothers and sisters. May you sleep in peace, especially you rex1949. Should I have said “rest in peace? LOL See you in the monring.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Islam and Communism have shed more innocent blood than several times all the war dead in history. You, who hate me the MOST for reporting this, call yourselves CHRISTIANS.____
    I have some bad news for you— Psalm 34:21 (YOUR OWN) Evil kills the wicked and those who hate the righteous will come to an end. Or—- Evil shall slay the wicked – The very thing in which they delight shall become their bane and their ruin.»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» They that hate the righteous {shall come to an end} – All persecutors of God’s people shall be followed by the chilling blast of God’s displeasure in this world; and if they repent not, shall perish everlastingly.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Psalm 34—MONEY»»» YOU that hate the righteous {shall come to an end} – All persecutors of God’s people shall be followed by the chilling blast of God’s displeasure in this world; and if YOU repent not, shall perish everlastingly.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Godlessness, SUICIDAL_PACIFISM & Mohammedanism are the 3 greatest EVILS————
    http://christianbookshelf.org/maclaren/expositions_of_holy_scripture_g/wisdoms_call.htm
    -Next come ‘SCORNERS’ WHO MOCK AT GOOD. A man must have gone a long way down hill before he begins to gibe at virtue and godliness. __________________________
    Then last comes the ‘FOOL,’ the name which, in Proverbs, IS SHORTHAND FOR MENTAL STUPIDITY, MORAL OBSTINANCY, AND DOGGED GODLESSNESS(^),—a foul compound»»»»»» NOTHING CAN BE MORE STUPID THAN GODLESSNESS**, HOWEVER CULTURED(^). The word (STUPID) literally means coarse or thick, and may suggest the idea of stolid insensibility as the last stage in the downward progress.________________
    **I believe Suicidal-Pacifism and Islam are TIED, FOR SECOND PLACE.

  • JimSchafer

    is the obama administration going to lead us into a much-needed Revival in this nation? if it does, it will be the ONLY good thing that will come out of his terroristic leadership

    • benito44

      @JimSchafer good statement Jim.  Obama has only been a “figurehead” in the onslaught to radically alter our government and nation for the benefit of his puppetmasters.  The only time I have seen him lead is onto the golf course.  I still have faith in this Country’s people.  obama’s days and the days of socialism/communism in this country are numbered.

  • JimSchafer

    those that have difficulty with celebration of Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving, need not change their schedule of work, for if they cease any work pattern to celebrate any of these “Holy”days, they are betraying their personal non- beliefs and are admittting that there is God and worshipping Him, because these dates are provided by the Christian’s religions.

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Satan ADORES PU§IFIST_CHRISTIANS, as much as he does terrorists and Communists.
    Dr. Jeffress on The O’Reilly Factor: Wimpy Christians Are the Reason We’re Losing the Culture War Read more: http://conservativevideos.com/2012/12/dr-jeffress-on-the-oreilly-factor-discussing-the-war-on-christmas/#ixzz2EyOel5vy
     ₩₩₩§§§$$$₩₩₩DEFICITS§§§₩₩₩¢¢¢$$GAYSTHEWAY§§§₩₩₩KILLBUSHCHENEY EXACTLY RIGHT»»»Nobody can even NAME EVIL any more»»They sure as hell cannot condemn it! EVIL, IS A MENTAL_SPIRITUAL_ILLNESS, WHICH OVERCOMES A POPULATION, AND KEEPS THEM IN PERPETUAL CHILDHOOD. Being ANGRY AND NEGATIVE, IS THE YUCKIEST THING IN THE WORLD¿!¡

  • http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?176-Godless-Body-Snatchers-V-The-Human-Beings-The-Humans-HAVE-LOST! lightvdark

    Satan ADORES PU§IFIST_CHRISTIANS, as much as he does terrorists and Communists.
    Dr. Jeffress on The O’Reilly Factor: Wimpy Christians Are the Rea