Liberty and Morality Are At War and It’s Costing Conservatives Elections

In the past, I have had many conversations with members of the so called right wing conservative movement called the Tea Party. As much as I agree with what they support, I have come to the conclusion that they all missed a golden opportunity to participate in the larger battles being waged in American society during the election; the moral battles that shape our national conscience and draw distinct lines between conservative ideology and liberty’s accommodation.

Our nation has been divided by forces that have hijacked liberty and re-shaped it into an anti-morality movement of sorts. The ability to act or think without government constraints (liberty) will never be honored or respected by an immoral people who substitute convenience for consequence. Likewise ignoring social issues influence on both our governing agenda and elections and expecting fiscal restraint is another foolish wish.

Wade into the conversation about the limited government and fiscal responsibility with a Tea Party member and you will find a lot of common sense ideas and principles. However, if you ask a Tea Partier what their opinion on abortion or gay marriage might be, you will more than likely get a dodge instead of an answer. My favorite is “what two people do in the privacy of their home is none of my business.”

My problem with the some Tea Party conservatives is that they are only partially conservative, yet they characterize themselves as true conservatives. They like to say “I’m fiscally conservative and socially moderate.” Somewhere in their argument for limited government they seem to have turned their back on moral issues; the issues that shape our views on solutions and future trends in governing. To me the Tea Party is a moderate group whose focus is purely fiscal restraint and smaller government. A true conservative is not wishy-washy on social issues. A true conservative is predisposed to protect tradition; all traditions, not just the ones you agree with.

It’s been said you can’t legislate morality. As hard as we try in America and as many laws as we pass somebody somewhere will have out of wedlock sex and become pregnant. This is nothing new. It was going on long before our ancestors came to our shores. So why is it so important now? Why is it important for a candidate (or their political party) to have a position on abortion or gay marriage? Does being pro-life over pro-abortion or supporting traditional marriage make for better leaders? Of course it does. Americans who fail to take a stand on social issues and demand that their candidates do the same are playing right into the hands of a Democrat Party; a party devoid of honor and decency.

It’s time that conservatives took the moral battle to the Democrats and anyone else who pretends to be conservative. We have been too polite for too long; and further accommodation by politically correct candidates will only duplicate the loss America experienced earlier this month.

Barack Obama didn’t win the election because he was the better candidate. President Obama defeated Mitt Romney because Obama was the immoral candidate that appealed to an immoral class of Americans. He was aided in part by those among us (social moderates) who think that moral issues are tertiary considerations. The battle that was waged for control of our government and restoration of our Republic was lost to those Americans who want our society to pay for the consequences of poor decisions. We have become the country of free second and third chances. And we continue to turn our backs on the moral character that is necessary to preserve every American’s freedom of choice and movement.

So the next time someone you know demands fiscal responsibility and accountability from limited government ask them where they stand on abortion and gay marriage. Odds are if they support it (socially moderate) they could give a hoot about liberty unless it means they have to pay higher taxes and give up their gun rights.







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  • http://www.InformingChristians.com/ DebraJMSmith

    Many GOP candidates are not conservative or moral enough. –Many of them are walking a fence, trying to get some votes from liberals. In the meantime they are losing true conservatives.

    • Russian55

      @DebraJMSmith Yes!  Let’s find a candidate LESS acceptable to a majority there will be NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER of victory.
       
      Only 35% of the voters in the US are “Conservative.”  If you maintain the hard line, you remain forever a minority and will get NOTHING of what you want.

  • Glenn

    You can not blame the tea party for drawing a line as its been far to long that the liberals and rinos have ruled the roost and morally bankrupting our government and stealing our futures while helping them selves to our kids and our’s.

  • ssh49tn

    I agree 100%! I was more concerned with the moral issues than the economic issues. I may not agree with Mormonism, but at least he is against abortion, & same sex marriage. I don’t believe in mistreating gays, but I see no reason to redefine marriage just to accommodate them. Until America wakes up, & takes a stand for Biblical morality, this country is NEVER going to be the once great nation she was.

  • Arizonasicandtired

    There is still only the choice of Christ and Satan as they are the only powers that operate on the earth.No shades of Grey. The nation will fall as has our morals. Immoral people will not have a Righteous government anymore than a moral people will tolerate an immoral government.These are the facts as I know them to be. Feel free to disagree, wont make your position the right one which aides the opposition in the destruction of our Liberty.You see we are never really free to chose wickedness as it always leads to destruction,  How is that freedom?

  • OregonSpectator

    The millionaires and billionaires are busy supporting globalism. One only needs to watch the series on the ‘Men who built America’ to understand what this globalization business is all about. Uncontrolled profiteering and trade. They will forgo a couple of shekles to make unlimited gains. The dupes in this case are the people who will lose their freedom to a fascist regime that has no intention of paying for retirement and healthcare schemes. The redistribution of wealth that Obama talks about isn’t for the Black community of America it is for the poor of the world who live on $2.00 per day and less. He sponsored a bill in his last days as a US Senator to accomplish this task of redistribution of wealth from developed countries to third world countries. Does Palestine, Kenya, South Africa come to mind?

  • HowardPettyjohn

    Whew…As I read closer to the end of John DeMayo’s article I could hear the band and the chorus playing and singing Onward Christian Soldiers and the crowd was cheering and yelling Amen.  It was so exciting.
    I have been preaching that sermon for a couple of years now.
    Some work with God and some work with food stamps and hand me downs.  Guess who prospers ?

  • LiveFreeOrDie

    If you have a position that is CONSERVATIVE you still must be ARTICULATE and you MUST be able to answer when you are asked – for example- what abort a rape in regard to abortion- your answer MUST make sense- I don’t need CONSERVATIVES like Mr Akin who REFUSE to be HONEST (that he was completely wrong and said something really stupid) and to UNDERSTAND that it will be used against ALL OF US…

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      The birth of a child is a gift from God. Whether rape or mutual sex the birth of a child is an act of creation and the creation is a living thing. To put to death a living being is murder. Make whatever argument you want, hold on to acts of criminals to support a market of murder if you want but I will not judge you. God will judge! God knows the heart of those who support causes for their own agenda’s and with today’s Congress and elected (LOL) officials I believe there will be judgement.

  • KurtGrossman

    Have you ever considered this question; “There are 2 types of people on earth: Those who believe and obey Jesus Christ and those who do not?” If you do not believe in God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit then you cannot agree with the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, or even the Declaration of Independence because they are all based on biblical principals and dependent on a godly population.  The power to stop greed exists only in God.
    We ALL KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS.  The problem of sin without Christ is that we cannot do good.
    The only hope that America has is if Christians will become “lights” and lead Americans back to Jesus Christ so that we can be a “good” country again.

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @KurtGrossmanRight on POINT! Kurt! The acceptance of sin in our country by government officials to win votes to support agenda’s is what has gotten us where we are today. Until sin is stamped out and our government focused on the people our economy is DOOMED to fail. When to many kids dip into the cookie jar the cookies are gone and the dinner for the kids is spoiled.

    • Medic2

      @KurtGrossman But with that said, we need to do it at the state level NOT the federal. States have the authority DC does not.

    • RhondaReichel

      that was great Kurt….yes we must be lights for Christ !
      All these unholy wars and death of innocents is a black stain on our country.  I remember thinking while watching shock and awe in Iraq how many innocent people were being killed.  God forgive us.

    • TEdwardPrice

      @KurtGrossman Sorry to disagree with you, but there is absolutely NOTHING Christian about the U.S. Constitution.  We have been taught that all our lives, but it simply isn’t true.  If there were any vestige of Christian morality found within the Constitution, then why would such a Christian patriot as Patrick Henry argue for THREE days against its adoption during Virginia’s deliberation of its ratification?  There is no mention of Christ anywhere, and it is in fact, hostile to Christianity.  It is a humanistic (Preamble), antichristian (Article 6), polytheistic (1st Amendment) decree, straight out of the Age of Reason, not out of the Word of God.  Even when a creator is mentioned, it is NEVER Yahweh of Hosts, the One and Only Creator of the Bible.  The Constitution, as well as George Washington”s original Prayer and Proclamation of the first National Day of Thanksgiving, and most other significant writings of the Founders, were fraught with esoteric language steeped in Masonic terminology and imagery, and ALWAYS referring to a generic god, such as “Governor of the Universe”.   We have been lied to, and sold a bill of goods, and as a result, we violate the 1st Commandment, by setting up a new National Idol (U.S. Constitution), and bowing down to a new Deity (WE THE PEOPLE). The only hope is to reverse course, repent of our idolatry, and, like our Seventeenth Century Forefathers, establish a government “of Yahweh, by Yahweh, and for Yahweh”. Disagree with me if you like, but do yourself a favor and check this out:  http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt11.html

  • CajunPatriot

    Is it possible that conservatives that rise up locally and prove themselves to be conservatives, often supported by local Tea Parties, when they go to the federal system in D.C. are co-opted by the Republicans who often are not conservative, but rather statists just as much as Democrat counter-parts?  I am pro-life, unapologetically.  I am pro-traditonal marriage, unapologetically.  Because at my core, I try my best to follow the Bible and its principles as my guide in life.  I have met some true conservatives such as Rep. Dr. Paul Broun, of Athens, GA.  When he was running for the House seat vacated by the passing of his predecessor, he indicated what would guide his decisions and voting.  He stated (and has kept his word) that he would evaluate all votes and support by whether the proposal:  1. Honors the Word of God  2.  Honors the U.S. Consitution  3.  Is what his consitutency supports.  If all House and Senate candidates did this, we would have much better government, and would likely not be in the crisis we are now in.

  • DennyB

    I have to vote my beliefs, moral values, and on Christain principles. To do otherwise is to vote against what I believe in. And, make all the laws you want, my beliefs will never change. Any more, according to the liberals, iam not politcly correct.. I will continue to not deny my Christain values.

    • RhondaReichel

      True but you also have to realize that many here in the U.S. are not Christians….and I really don’t think God would want anyone who had it forced on them even if that were possible,  but I agree in that the majority should rule and by that I mean we should stand up for our principles by electing Christians.  Then our laws will reflect our values.  We just were not given that choice this time due to the nomination of Romney.

  • Ray Neary

    Beautifully stated!  Who says you can’t legislate morality?  Morality is what legislation is all about.  We in             Massachusetts have a one -party state because the one in power is secular, and the other is fiscally conservative only. .  Read that:  Protect your wealth and status.  Keep  promoting your message.  It’s a lasting one!

  • Frank J Linane

    I liked what I saw of Romney not so much what he said.  I know that does not make a lot of sense, but he looked and acted presidential. For my money the God of the universe was indeed in charge of the outcome.  He not only allowed Obama to win, but in doing so wanted to wake us up.  As fine a man as Romney was, over Obama, he was not a choice one would choose to garner trust from the those who call themselves Christian.  100 times better and more righteous than Obama, but lacking the fundamental  basics to honor God, being a Mormon, the belief that Jesus and Satan are brothers. making Jesus a creation of God and therefore not coming from God/ or God but His creation.  How can an intelligent grown man who aspires to lead the greatest country in the world, (mostly past tense) believe such nonsense as the Latter Day Saints espouse?  Without getting into their man made faith, the above example of Jesus and Lucifer being brothers should be enough.
     
    Romney was suck on the economy, and left all social issues and other challenges this nation faces on mute.
     
    Not unless or until this nation turns back to God as is proscribed in II Chronicles 7:14 no amount of sane ideas on the economy will make anything but short termed delay of the inevitable.

    • Rose Palmer

      Romney was & is a very religious man, that is what lost him the election. Most politicians have no religion, thier only belkief is in thier very egotistical selves. Do you really think they care about America?

      • RhondaReichel

        Rose….the pharisees were very religious too yet Jesus called them the sons of Satan

        • NunnyahBiz

          @RhondaReichel Touche!

  • J McMackin

    I agree Politians are pandering to Voters. But in the end even they will Lose their Souls if they really Care.
    Psalm 109 Vs 7-10 covers what will happen to any one in Leadership who fails to Honor God.The Harvest is Ripe
    to those who Choose correctly. They will love one Master-Satan and despise the our-God. People are dieing
    every day who do not make the right Decisions.

  • wishladya

    I don’t agree with this article at all.  At least its not true of all those I know.  I think its a good description of the GOP, but not of Tea Party Conservatives.  It’s all about our faith,our traditions, our freedom to worship as we please, about not rewriting history, not redefining the English language, about not redefining our values to fit the social issues that are “in”, and then its about the Constitution, smaller government and restoring Liberty and Prosperity to America. God is at the basis of all of our beliefs in this regard. It’s about kicking Communists and Socialists out of our schools and out of our government.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    If they compromise on liberty and morality they aren’t Conservatives, they re politicians running scared. My old Senator Jesse Helms once said, “Compromise, hell! That’s what has happened to us all down the line — and that’s the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?”

  • Russian55

    The State should not dictate morality.  That is beyond their prevue.  Morality should come from your church, your parents, etc.
     
    The moment the State dictates what you should do (alone or with another consenting person) it takes away freedom.

    • Rose Palmer

      Exactly, couldn’t have expressed it better. This is still America, I am a Conservative & believe the choice is up to the individual.

    • Medic2

      @Russian55 It does if they just say its going to be this way. M
      Missouri put forth for a vote of the people an amendment that states marriage shall be recognized as between one man and one woman.
       
      We voted that in by a margin of 71% to 29%. WE THE PEOPLE did it. If by the State you mean the feds i agree. If you mean each state cant set its own rule of law on such things i disagree.
       
      The law here was passed based on the morality of the people who live here. Morality they got from their parents and their churches. Its how we want it and its how it is.
       
      The pulpit may not be the place to talk about politics. Its every where. If people are in church and following the bible then they dont need their pastor to tell them who to vote for. If they want guidance they can ask.
       
      I agree that God should be allowed in our schools and yet another amendment has been passed in the state of Missouri by a vote of the people that DOES allow school children to pray and express their religious beliefs if they choose. It has to be done at home folks, not in DC.

      • NunnyahBiz

        @Medic2  @Russian55  You are so RIGHT!!!
        BUT are you prepared to start recall petitions against the liberal, enemy judges, in your state, who will deliberately abuse the power of their office to legislate from the bench, in favor of the 29% that voted against YOU???!!!
        These socialist, bleeding heart judges MUST BE REMOVED for their ABUSE OF OFFICE!!! They are NOT Americans and must be stopped with whatever means are necessary!!!

        • Medic2

          @NunnyahBiz  @Russian55 I will fight those judges and its alot easier to get rid of them at this level than the feds. Fortunately in this state SO FAR we arent having an issue with it. Our governor is an Obama kiss ass but the state legislature is composed mostly of constitutionally minded conservatives. At least the legislation they are passing would make it appear so.
           
          This is all why I keep bringing up DO IT AT THE STATE level. We cant fix DC till we fill our states up with people who can go on to DC. We have to boot the RNC establishment here first.

        • Russian55

          @Medic2  @NunnyahBiz Nothily ng has EXCLUDED private worship.
          Students may pray in schools.  What is prohibited is ORGANIZED prayer.  Why?  Because ultimately it comes down to WHICH RELIGION.
          The Framers wisely chose NOT to include GOD or RELIGION in the Constitution.

      • Russian55

        @Medic2 My statement is still true.
        The State is not to impose a religion, yet over and over I hear “Conservatives” call for a “return to Christian morals.”
        It would seem to me that the “Conservatives” are no better than the Liberals, they only differ in what they want to impose on the people.
        The Liberals want to raid my wallet.  The Conservatives want to peek in bedroom windows and dictate morals.
        I don’t very much like either of these.

      • Russian55

        @Medic2
        The State is not to impose a religion, yet over and over I hear “Conservatives” call for a “return to Christian morals.”
        It would seem to me that the “Conservatives” are no better than the Liberals, they only differ in what they want to impose on the people.
        The Liberals want to raid my wallet.  The Conservatives want to peek in bedroom windows and dictate morals.
        I don’t very much like either of these.
        You say “I agree that God should be allowed in our schools.”  Would you favor that if the God was Allah?  Or the Goddess of the Wiccans?
        I do not want the schools to be teaching about God any more than the Churches should be teaching science.

        • Medic2

          @Russian55 The law that passed here DOES allow freedom of religion. IT ALLOWS GOD BACK IN. It doesnt mean the little muslim kids cant pray too. It means the Christian kids cant be persecuted for expressing their beliefs.
           
          Public Schools have been persecuting Christians and teaching kids about Islam. Now if you dont want schools teaching about God then they shouldnt be teaching what I view as a pagan religion either.
           
          If a kid wants to pray or express themselves then they should be allowed to do so. Seperation of church and state has been twisted. Whether you like it or not this country was founded on Judeo Christian principles and the early laws reflect that. So yeah Im for more of that as long as it doesnt force a religion on every one.
           
          I am fortunate to live in a community where God isnt shunned and we still had prayer before ball games and kids could bring a Bible to school if they wanted to read on their own time. If children who practice other religions wish to express themselves then that is their right as well. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, we are supposed to have that in this country.
           
          Our founders said that they believed that those are GOD given rights.

    • Frank J Linane

      @Russian55 Morality is the prevue of us all.  What you do in your own bedroom is your business unless it is hurting more than you or your partner of legal age.  To murder someone is immoral unless it is in self defense, to steal someones belongings is immoral, etc. etc.  Shoving what God calls and abomination down the throats of American is immoral.  The public sector is not the bedroom.  God determines what is good and right not man.  If one chooses to sin it is that ones prerogative, just to it behind closed doors.  What in the heck is wrong with that freedom?
      But it is not about freedom to choose sin is about making sin acceptable to all.  Why do you think liberals and rinos want God gone?  If God is taken out of the public sector there is no sin. What?  Only in the mind of the insane.

  • wishladya

    God must be restored to our schools & our government. WE need to stand up to the atheists and tell them to go jump in the lake. If they don’t like looking at a cross have them look elsewhere. We outnumber them. We’ve been too nice about it.  There is no law that says churches can’t speak about politics from the pulpit. We need to stop being “politically correct” it’s a Communist tactic to stifle free speech. Say what you mean when you mean it. We can be tactful, but we don’t have to be wimps.

  • Alice Stevens

    “Change must begin with us. America will never believe that Republicans represent
    “Change” until we ourselves make some dramatic changes
    ” Mitt Romney.
     
    ” In the past, instead of changing a corrupt system, too often GOP leaders have
    been corrupted by the trappings of their office. Instead f using that power to make the needed
    change, they have been blinded by the power and end up being the status quo”
     Ronald Reagan

  • Brusckey

    Good article Mr DeMayo.  Fiscal Conservatism without Morals is Nazism.  That’s why Hitler used all the parts of his corpses: the gold teeth, the skin for lampshades, the fat for soap.  Moral conservatism is absolutely essential in a Democracy. 
     
    Allow me to quote John Adams at more length than he is usually quoted:
    “…this country will be the most miserable habitation in the World; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ”
    (John Adams to the 1st Brigade of the 3rd Division of the Militia of Massachusetts. Oct 11, 1798)
     
    Among “human passions” he mentions “avarice”, which definitely describes Obama’s “gimme” electorate, but he doesn’t mention lust or laziness, which were perhaps more unthinkable at the time.  (Oh, and he includes revenge”.  Isn’t that the word Valerie Jarret used?)   These Tea Party  people need to be reminded that the Constitution was made only for a moral people.

  • Brusckey

    Incidentally, some Utilitarians self styled Libertarians without morals hated Sarah Palin precisely because she didn’t kill her son Trig.

    • Rose Palmer

      Libertarians that will burn in hell.

  • Rose Palmer

    I believe in the power of God, The Holy Trinity & try to obey the principles of practice my beliefs daily. Americans not only need, but must go back to what America used to be. A land filled w/ loving God & God fearing people who know that all lies in His hands. The behavior of our leaders has been not only sinful but criminal & completely without God in thier minds & hearts. With this attitude, we will reap nothing but chaos.

  • FRENCHIE

    IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THEY ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE THEIR CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO PERSUADE PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THEM ANYWAY, THEN THEY WEREN’T MUCH OF A CONSERVATIVE ANYHOW. THIS IS ONE SURE-FIRE WAY TO IDENTIFY A RINO – IF THEY START “EVOLVING” ON STANDARD CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES TO SWAY MODERATE INDEPENDENTS, THEY ARE A RINO, PLAIN & SIMPLE. THIS IS THE REASON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS WE KNEW IT IS DYING. NOBODY HAS THE BALLS TO STICK TO THEIR GUNS ON ANY ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF VOTES ARE AT STAKE. THEY DON’T REALIZE THEY’RE ALIENATING THE TRUE CONSERVATIVE BASE. EITHER THAT, OR THEY JUST DON’T CARE AS LONG AS THEY’RE IN THE RUNNING FOR THOSE SUPPOSEDLY “UNDECIDED VOTERS”. LOOK, BY NOW, THERE’S REALLY NO SUCH ANIMAL AS AN UNDECIDED VOTER. THESE UNDECIDED FOLKS ARE JUST DEMON-RATS WAITING FOR A GOOD REASON TO VOTE AGAINST A CONSERVATIVE. GET OVER IT, THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER VOTE CONSERVATIVE, BUT CONSERVATIVES CAN BE TURNED OFF ENOUGH TO VOTE THIRD PARTY, EVEN IF THE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE HAS NO CHANCE IN HELL OF WINNING. RON PAUL – NEED I SAY MORE ? I SUPPORTED RON PAUL, BUT VOTED FOR ROMNEY IN THE END SIMPLY BECAUSE I KNEW RON PAUL DIDN’T HAVE A PRAYER EITHER WAY. THEY WEREN’T ABOUT TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE, EVEN IF HE WOULD’VE GOTTEN THE VOTES, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM & HIS SUPPORTERS IN THE PRIMARY PROCESS. HE GOT SCREWED BY THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT & ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIAR. WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED & THERE’S NO SPINNING IT – THEY F–KED HIM & HIS SUPPORTERS BY PLAYING “DIRTY POOL” EVERY CHANCE THEY GOT. NOT WHINING, JUST STATING FACTS. IT’S A SHAME THOUGH, BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONLY TRUE CONSERVATIVE IN THE RUNNING. THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS – UNTIL WE PURGE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF THE RINO’S, WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE STUCK WITH WISHY-WASHY CANDIDATES WHO ARE ONLY ONE STEP AWAY FROM BEING THE LIBERALS WE HATE SO MUCH & WE’LL HAVE NO CHANCE OF SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY. I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT WISHY-WASHY RINO’S, TOO – JOHN BOEHNER IS MY CONGRESSMAN. SO I KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT !!!!!!!!!!

    • Medic2

      @FRENCHIE Well said. I did the same thing. Paul was my guy in the primaries. I should have voted Johnson in the general but went with Romney. Had Paul ran independent  he would have had me.
       
      Rand is not his father but I still like alot of what i see. I believe he is genuine. He will have my support if and when he runs. Until then he will get my support on bills he is presenting or fighting against. We need to find an run more people like him.

    • RhondaReichel

      Frenchie….what you say is true about how dirty the GOP is so next time don’t support their candidate— because they will keep losing until they give us a  CONSTITUTIONAL conservative.
       
      NON COMPLIANCE

  • JosephRCarreiroSr

    Liberty,Morality,Freedom and Raising Taxes are not to be comprimised under any conditions.Republicans do not allow yourself to end up as a RHINO because at that point you become a Democrat.Do not cave on this battle because that is what Pelosi and Reid and Obama are expecting you to do.Don’t give them this present for Christmas.They will not like you under any conditions and you should know this by now.A concerned citizen.When they give us the Truth if tghey can than we can start talking Truth also.Think hard.

  • ShirleyWade

    This article is nothing but bull. Yes, the immoral won this election, why because they don’t give a hoot about nothing or nobody. But the Conservatives that say you have to make a stand on what a person does or does not do to their own bodies is just another form of Government Control. To make laws that require to carry a baby that the person doesn’t want without a choice is just as wrong as taken our gun rights or freedom rights away. It’s an invasion of our Privacy Rights. The only thing the Government would have a right to is in order to have an Abortion, then you will have to consent to a sterilization surgery. It is required to have an abortion. It makes sense, if you don’t want to give this baby a chance at life, then you have no right to bear another baby that you may want to abort. Only a one time abortion. But to completely take that right from a woman of choice is another form of Control. You cannot force any belief upon another person, like not being Gay. Whether it is a choice or born with behavior, you cannot force them to live a life you believe to be right. Either way you go on these topics, you take away someone’s liberties. This is why our voting system is broken is because, it’s you either live this way or that. There is a percentage of people that just wants to live their lives in peace without Government or Religious people interference. Is this so hard to allow? Look at the money we pay out on the war on drugs, are we winning, no, so instead of costing us, why don’t we treated it like we do alcohol and cigarettes? Legalize it and tax it, this the Government is good at, Taxing. There are all kinds of people in this world, not just Conservatives and Liberals. Guess what, there is third and fourth parties and people out there that the Conservatives and Liberals act like don’t exist. So, I personally am sick to death of the Conservatives and Liberal Bull.

    • Medic2

      @ShirleyWade You had me for awhile, but then you started in on not wanting religious types or liberal types.
       
      Where i agree with the article an some of the posters here is that this nation lacks morals and God is punishing us. However creating a religious dictatorship at the federal level is just as wrong as creating socialist utopia or just allowing anarchy all together. You cannot force a person to believe. Churches are here to bring people into the fold and help them with morality, not the government.
       
      Let the people of each state vote on issues like this. Id be willing to bet that the ones that vote morally will see some blessings and the ones that dont are gonna be spiraling into more and more mess. Sodom and Gomorrah. God didnt like what they were doing either. He destroyed them. The world is turning into that and God will destroy us. Its in the Bible.

    • RhondaReichel

      carry a baby that you don’t want?  Maybe you need to learn how babies are made and start using contraception.  I do think you are right about the sterilization though if they do not have the wish to keep the baby….GHW Bush sterilized a bunch of Indian women without their knowledge or consent so that can go to far too. 
      I think that is all being taken care of with vaccines now.

  • crowell001

    A conservative who compromises on liberty & morality is called a liberal.  There is no compromise.  This is a bare knuckles, last man standing fight.  No quarter given, none asked

    • Medic2

      @crowell001 When you try an push YOUR religion through the federal government, you are no better than people trying to push Sharia law, or gay rights, or abortion. I am a Christian and I dont like any of that. Dont think we need it in this country but if you want YOUR religious beliefs to be reflected in the law where you live you have to do it at state level.You have to do it a local level. You need to tell people of your beliefs through your church. Teach your children in the way they should go. Set an exanple an work to bring people to Christ but you cannot legislate it and force it on everyone in this nation through DC. Its not Constitutional and it denies liberties an rights to people who may not agree with you. Governments job is NOT to tell people who their God should be.
       
      We have freedom of religion in this country, I dont agree with any of em except my own, however I cant expect my views to be forced on every one.

      • Medic2

        @crowell001 I should add, if you force your morality OR lack thereof on people, you compromise Liberty.

  • gparra9

    Liberty & morality were lost when that sorry Flip- Flopping Romneycare was nominated  as the presidental candidate for the Republican  party !!!!  This will continue to happen if  conservatives keep nominating worthless candidates like  Flip- Flopping Romneycare with no Cajones, we have no to blame but ourselves !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Rose Palmer

      @gparra9 Romney was far from Flip Flopping & is probably the most moral candidate we have ever had., What we have in the White House, other than a very few, are completely without morals or real care for America. They just like thier power & titles.

      • RhondaReichel

        no ….he is not moral….offshoring your money so you don’t have to pay taxes is not only immoral but it’s unpatriotic.

      • gparra9

        Your right “The Most Moral Candidate We Have Ever Had,” with his tail tucked between his legs !!!!!!

  • Rose Palmer

    I believe in the power of God, The Holy Trinity, truthfulness & try to obey the principles of my beliefs daily. Americans not only need, but must go back to what America used to be. A land filled w/ God fearing people who know that ultimately, all lies in His hands. The behavior of our leaders has been not only sinful but criminal & completely without God in thier minds & hearts. With this attitude, we will reap nothing but utter disorder & confusion.

    • NunnyahBiz

      @Rose Palmer Revelations so stipulates that we WILL be subjected to disorder, confusion & chaos for our crimes against God!

      • Rose Palmer

        Yes & the person in the White House, by his own admission,  has absolutely no religion.
        His only belief is Obama & will never see the lights & beauty of heaven

        • RhondaReichel

          he said many paths to God…..guess he never read the New Testament

    • RhondaReichel

      even Achmadinijad said we had leaders posing as Christians.  I hate to admit it but he was right when he asked what part of Jesus’ doctrine they upheld.   Not much.  People actually booed the golden rule when Ron Paul brought that up in the debates.  It was sickening.

  • NunnyahBiz

    DeMayo certainly hit the proverbial nail right on its head! It is really too bad that it will take civil war/revolution to save our Constitutionally Based Republic now! There really is no other way!
    The politicians, ALL OF THEM, are controlled by the same people, the ultra rich/powerful of the World! There is no longer any differentiation between the parties, except for rhetoric, i.e. lies, deceptions & manipulations!!
    The nations militia’s have surpassed 12 million members and are growing as fast as weapons & ammunition sales!
    Obama will soon ram the UN weapons ban treaty down our throats, again, without congressional approval! He will then order law enforcement to start confiscating(stealing) weapons from honest, law abiding citizens and that will be the beginning of THE END!!!
    I hope you are all getting prepared to protect your Families, Homes & Property from any & all intruders foreign, or DOMESTIC!!!
     
    LIVE FREE OR DIE FIGHTING TO DO SO!!!
     
    Good-bye, Good Luck and God Bless!!!

    • RhondaReichel

      Nunnyahbiz – I think that’s what they want us to do.  War is not the answer.  Non compliance is.
       
      Sad thing is we should have started years ago instead of accepting the outrageous things like Romney, Dubya, McCain as candidates.  It’s time to take a stand now and the only effective way is for people to leave the traitorous republican party and vote their consciences from now on.
       
      People give in too easy….the lesser of 2 evils is a LOSER strategy.

      • Medic2

        @RhondaReichel I pray it doesnt come to war but I fear it is as you said, too late for anything else. I keep praying no, but my gut tells me its coming.

      • NunnyahBiz

        @RhondaReichel Non-compliance??? How will you NOT COMPLY when law enforcement has a gun to your family’s heads, and will shoot, if you don’t give up the only form of defense THAT YOU HAVE???!!!

        • Medic2

          @NunnyahBiz  @RhondaReichel You go down swinging. Do you want to live in their camps? Do you want your family to live there? I am fortunate to live in an area where i KNOW most of the law enforcement and work with them, I also know they wont go for gun confiscation. They arent stupid.

        • NunnyahBiz

          @Medic2  @RhondaReichel Some will try! There are too many arrogant cops sporting their delusions of grandeur. They will be the ones to betray the oath they took to become law enforcement officers and “attempt” to confiscate weapons! And I won’t blame Honest Cops when they resign in the face of tyranny and join their local militia’s!

  • dolagibb

    We should have voted obama out. I did vote for Romney, he would have been much better than obama!! Lots of folks did not vote for Romney because of his Church! That was so sad!  Romney would have got the Free Market to going again plus  the ecomney! Love DG <><

    • NunnyahBiz

      @dolagibb Romney is being controlled by the same people that control obama! The election was a done deal either way it went!

    • RhondaReichel

      @dolagibb  You must not know much about the Mormon religion dolagibb.  They think Jesus and Satan were brothers.  They are polytheistic and believe in several gods.  The book of Mormon was written to CORRECT the holy bible.  They think that after they die they become gods themselves.  They didn’t allow black people in their church until the govt. threatened to take their tax exempt status away….then they got a message from one of their gods.
       
      There are a lot of decent Mormon people but it is a false religion if you believe in the bible.
       You dodged a bullet.

      • grandmaliberty

        @RhondaReichel @dolagibb and do you think we have a christian in the white house???? we may have dodged the bullet only to have the bomb dropped on us!!!

  • JohnLofton

    IMPORTANT POST-ELECTION REMINDER: “Politics” will not save us. Our country is turning into Hell because the church in America has forgotten God (Psalm 9:17) and refuses to kiss His Son (Psalm 2.) 
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  • J Joy

    Elections are all about what the nominee promises that the government will do for each individual voter.  The problem seems to be that even if the elected official break those promises, the illiterate, ignorant, small minded, lazy voters will give that elected official another chance because that elected official says that the opponent will take their freebie away even if it isn’t true.  The fact that the freebie will go away because the country will go bankrupt is not a factor that the illiterate, ignorant, small minded, lazy voter want to hear or understand.  The selfish behavior of those voters will be their undoing but, unfortunately, it will be ours too.

    • RhondaReichel

      J Joy – that explains why so many incumbents get elected over and over again.  Most of them shouldn’t be.  The average citizen has more integrity in their little toe than these politicians have in their whole body.  Most of them in Washington are lawyers.  Another tradition we need to stop.

  • Medic2

    The Federal government has no authority to legislate morals. The states however DO have that authority because it wasnt Constitutionally granted to the Federal Government. I dont like what gays do, but i think states should ban gay marriage, not the federal government. My state did it and was the first one in the nation to do so. So with that said it really doesnt matter what the Feds say, we have our law. The feds take on entirely too much power. Power that the states are supposed to wield.
     
    I dont like abortion either, it is in my mind murder, but there should be instances where the woman can choose what she wants to do. Again, the states should each set their own rules and limits on this subject, not the feds.
     
    People who try to push this stuff at the federal level are only giving them the go ahead to take more and more of our freedom and rights. States need to begin nullifying more and more federal laws that arent in the scope of their constitutionally given powers. We are fighting in the wrong area. DC is a lost cause, If we want it back for the people we have to put pressure on from the state level.

  • bitterclinger

    My grandma always told me that “you are what you eat”. That logic can also be used in politics…. “you are who you elect”. Until conservatives let the GOP establishment know that we will not vote for their guy simply because they call him “conservative”… that we will not keep voting for the “lesser of two evils”…. then we will continue getting posers like Mitt Romney as a candidate.

  • truckster1

    I agree we have lost our moral foundation. The Tea Party was up front in stating they would stay away from social issues while focusing on limited Government and stopping the fiscal insanity. What they failed to recognize is the two go together. Moral values or the lack there of brought us to the financial crisis we are in today. Morality is a system of ideas of right and wrong conduct. I think we can all agree that immersing our country in debt is wrong.. Social issues such as abortion and homosexuality are pertinent because they have to do with morality. You either have a moral foundation on which to build or it all collapses around you. As we are seeing today.

    • Medic2

      @truckster1 You are right but I stand by what i said. Doing it at the federal level is wrong.

  • AWKingsley

    Actually, just the opposite is true, and I resent your destructive attitude toward the Tea Party. Tea Partiers proved in this election to be exactly as their votes claimed in the primaries, Evangelical Christian Republican voters, which you obviously are. I happen to be a Libertarian-Republican Tea Party member; however, I am also not a socially moderate Republican any more than Ron Paul is. In fact, just as Ron Paul is, I am an Evangelical Christian. Given a choice between Socialist candidate 1 and Socialist candidate 2 in the 2012 general election, we chose not to make that selection. Socialism promotes nothing but immorality and ultimately the destruction of the Christian Church. Oh, I get it. You are the greater than God sort who is trying to remake God’s Laws, the 10 Commandments, to suit yourself. The news is the 10 Commandments say, “Thou shalt not steal”, and Socialism is theft, but you want to have your cake and eat it too. That isn’t what God said to do.
     
    Screaming about and trying to legislate against social issues is a Communist inspired game designed to undermine the Christian Church and destroy our country. You would be amazed at how fast the social issues will disappear, if you elect a Libertarian-Republican president. Libertarians will not allow the Federal Government to continue paying for immorality – the promotion of vice and the consequences of vice, but you certainly will because you just want to scream about and legislate against social issues, and you make sure those issues are always in the voters faces instead of promoting sound monetary policy and a return to State’s Rights. Constitutionalism would end Federal Government promotion of immorality by refusing to pay for it. Good Luck out there chasing those unicorns or promoting the destructive Socialist philosophy – whatever it is you do!

  • KurtGrossman

    When you wake up in America today you will be free.  You will have opportunities unlike any other place on earth.  But that Freedom cost patriots dearly.  Jesus Christ death cost HIM dearly too!  Let’s remember that we are in a war!  This is “Life & Death!”  But, if you are a Christian then you are called to let the Spirit of God win for you.  We can only win IMPOSSIBLE VICTORIES OVER MUCH STRONGER, MEANER, AND BETTER FINANCED ENEMIES if we give the battle over to God.  We still may have enough people in the USA who believe in God who will repent and fight a tough spiritual battle with love. We cannot get angry, resentful, bitter, or mean: we have to do it God’s way.  Pray, speak gently, give generously, and watch the miracles God will do for your family, your church, your communities, and our nation!  Merry Christmas!

    • RhondaReichel

      Ha ha ha…from the looks of all these wonderful comments here today the NWO is going to have a horrible time of getting rid of Christians.  I’ll bet this kind of out pouring curdles their blood. 
       
      If you have ever looked at the Georgia Guidestones it’s evident they plan to do away with Christianity and replace it with nature worship. I hope Jesus comes back soon before it gets to that point.

  • exsf18a

    The problem is not political. The problem is spiritual. There is no political solution possible. The best we can do is to extend the coming of the end of time. The Lord delivered this message to us through the prophet St. John of Patmos in the Book of Revelation. The path of sin upon which Adam and Eve put us will end in accordance with the Word given therein.
     
    This is a time of both hope and struggle. We are charged to go forth as soldiers of the Lord. We will be victorious and the angels will celebrate our victory in the Kingdom of Heaven and those who fought and struggled will spend eternity with Him.
     
    The Lord warches even now to see how we fight on His behalf. He sees how we deliver His message every day in our words and deeds. He sees how we struggle to help our brothers and sisters who have left the path and become confused in the wilderness to return to the way of the Lord. Our victory will be marked not by how many elections we win but by how many souls we bring to the Lord.
     
    So go forth and enjoy the fight. We cannot lose.

  • LoranCarlson

    Knowing exactly where you stand on issues is critical to your own wellbeing.  Stand pat on your own views and feelings.  They may not be popular but they don’t have to be.  They don’t have to be argumentative either.  Conservatives are conservative for a reason.  We do believe in the original design of our government.  We do hold to the truths put forth in our Constitution.  We do believe in God.  We do not believe in abortion, but do not deny your belief in it.  We do not believe in gay marriage, but do not deny your belief in it.  We do believe in the economic policies which made our nation the greatest on the face of this earth.  We do not believe in socialism or communism.  We do not believe in a despotic government.  We believe in a democratic republic and the free market.  We believe in personal responsibility, not free stuff.   Adios!

  • RobertBenefield

    If you compromise on your morals and principles, you are not conservative.
    It’s just that simple.

  • Pakinpastor

    This is a joke! I am conservative, and I am a believer in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. I do not call myself a Christian, but a believer in the Messiah. I believe in virtually everything in the Holy Bible and cannot understand why it is so hard for people to stand up for what they believe. You either are a believer or not. The words of Yeshua are clear enough, but many want to water down what He had to say. He was firm on the Torah (law) He did not do away with it, but came to give it meaning. I choose to follow Him on this path of the Torah. He even said that man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that procedes from the mouth of God. That was His Torah. Given at Mount Siani. So, we are left with two choices. Do it or not. I choose to do it. I may die for that but it’s OK. I would rather live in His Word than live on my knees in submission to the ungodliness of the world. I will have to give an account for everything I did, not someone else, and that is going to be hard enough. I pray that God’s will be doen with everyone, and just stand for what is right. The left will fall soon enough!

  • all american

    Its time to support texas an gettig them free from the states.  When al else fails, they will be the last resistance of a Republic for Feedom and Liberty.

  • Damon

    Boy oh Boy–Was this article a mouth full so here does to the writer and I’m not backing down. I am a Conservative both fiscally and morally. I do not condon nor approve of gay marriage nor abortions except in the case where a mother’s life is in danger,  then she should make the choice. Love this article because the writer nailed it and without these morals, God’s hand will be lifted from the Nation.

  • Bill Senior

    When those who wish to change our values they first must change our language and the liberal progressive leaders who have been writing our laws and regulations for the past several decades are master at it. Who would have ever thought that under healthcare we’d come to believe pregnancy was to be considered a “disease” from which women must be protected, or if “contracted” can be viewed as “punishment”. Other tricks in vocabulary are more subtle. When debating an issue if you disagree with their agenda or arguments you are “divisive” or “confrontational” and to them “compromise” is when you are willing to capitulate to their wishes. This is the language which the left and our own president are using today. The facts are today a new human life in the womb is no longer recognized as a gift from heaven or the procreated fruit of true love. Our president has even described its presence as a “punishment” for making a poor choice. Life in the womb is not treasured by society as its most valuable asset and our hope for the future. So if it has become a war of words we need to, as the president has said, “Level the playing field”. This society has decided womb life is no life and deserves “little consideration” and no “protection” under the law. Some, like our president have “personally” voted (three times) and “legislatively” determined that even when taken out of its “home” in the womb and “discarded” on an abortionist operating table having survived an attempt to be “destroyed” it must be “ignored” and left to die since it was “unwanted”.  Unlike the unwanted and homeless on our streets these precious little souls currently have no tin cup or “neighborhood shelter” or government “assistance” program to turn to for help. When they “arrive” on the scene or sonogram they aren’t received like illegal aliens and given the “benefits of citizenship” like the thousands crossing our borders daily. In short, the most helpless of all “new life” in our country are not only the “least served” by us they are being deliberately challenged by a totalitarian regime as a “social problem” unless (pray God) they are actually desired by the “patient”…formerly known as mothers. We should add, lest you think otherwise, the next “target” for the “tyrants of translation” will be to “convince” us their wonderful healthcare system can no longer carry and somehow needs to eliminate or be “relieved” of the tremendous “burden” of the extremely expensive elderly “beneficiaries” of Obamacare.

  • VeteransAgainstMatco

    There is no grey area in sin! Our government calls it compromise but at the end of the day some special interest group just made a lot of money at the tax payers expense. The conservatives, or what I like to call Traditional Americans, are floating the note on the free rides being handed out to gain electoral support for presidents. Our government depends on the honor and integrity of Conservatives to support their own agenda’s.

  • Bron04

    evangelical Christians are going to destroy this country.  Aiken and Mourdock pretty much handed the election to Obama.  True liberty is a hard thing to swallow and if you want it, you are going to have to work on a compromise with abortion and gay unions.  In your own way, you are every bit as bad as progressives.

    • RhondaReichel

      no not abortions because that’s an innocent  life being taken….but frankly I don’t care what gays do….they are responsible for their own souls.  Give them the right to form a legal union, but I wouldn’t call it marriage.  Let them have divorce too.  I’ll bet they will wish they never asked for it then.  It’s not up to us to judge them.  We need to be praying for them.God knows their hearts….let Him decide.

      • autonomous 1

        @RhondaReichel
         Marriage is a religious function (a sacrament).  The only purpose of the government co-opting the term is for the purpose of taxing.  I, too, don’t give a damn what perversions people want to engage in, that is between them and their god (small “g”), but the usage of the term “marriage” should be kept (only) for religious cermonies, with the government registering “unions” for its nefarious employment of taxation or enumeration (the census).

      • Halo9x

        @RhondaReichel

      • Halo9x

        @RhondaReichel what everyone misses on same sex “marriage” is that it is totally unnecessary. If two men want to live together (Gag) they can do so. If they want to have legal rights they can achieve that through wills and Power of Attorneys. The only thing they couldn’t do is file jointly for income tax. They would still have to do that separately. The only reason the perverts are pushing for marriage is to slap real marriage and Christianity in the face! Otherwise, they could do nearly everything without marriage.

  • Bob

    Absolutely!  He’s noting but a fraud, a Chicago gangster pretending to be “president”.  Romney couldn’t over come the Santa Claus bit of buying votes by using taxpayer money to finance “goodies”.  That, & voter fraud.

    • NunnyahBiz

      Romney is controlled by the same people that control obama!
      We had no choice, just a big show! The election was a fraud from the word go, just like 2008! McCain knew he was supposed to lose just like Romney knew he was supposed to lose!!! If, by some fluke, Romney would’ve won, it would have been the same-o, same-o, just a horse of a different color…………………………………pun intended!

  • Bob

    Absolutely correct.  Nobama is nothing but a Chicago gangster with no morals or principles!  He’s a walking disaster.  Without the Santa Claus bit of using taxpayer money to buy votes with “gifts” to the ignorant, & voter fraud, he would not STILL be in the White House.  We can only hope, like Clinton & Nixon, he gets impeached—finally—in his second term!

  • Dennis822

    In the beginnings of this country,like it or not.We were a christian nation ,governed by the bible(word of GOD).So it makes sense that many pandered to this way to gain support and positions.In other words.Christian in only word.Today we have become a complete bankrupt society on morals,ethics,all things right and scriptural.So now these so called conservatives are leaning more and more towards that way(liberal,secualr) and in doing so making them conservatives in name alone.

    • RhondaReichel

      Yep…the first books studied in school were bibles.

      • BobMarshall

        @RhondaReichel The first text book was the New England Primer in the 1600’s. Next came the McGuffey’s Readers 1-6 along with The Blue Back Speller. Both in the 1800’s.My mother said she used the McGuffey’s Readers whenhe was in grammar school. She was born in1921. I purchased all of these books and donated them to our country library in the hope that children would examine them and understand the part Christianity and the bible played in our founders education and years later. Image a spelling book that has bible verses as part of the spelling alphabet today. These books contained many verses and lesson from the bible.

        • RalphZ

          @BobMarshall  @RhondaReichel the first Text book in the Schools to be used after the we became a nation was the Bible.  Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a noted physician, and treasurer of the U.S. Mint for 14 years, is also referred to as the “father of public school education.” Dr. Rush stated, “The Bible, when not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life”. “It should be read in our schools in preference to all other books from its containing the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public temporal happiness.”  He is the one that placed the Bible in the Schools.  This is Historical fact.  Not interpreted or twisted.  Even John Jay, our First Supreme Court Chief Justice stated, The Bible is the best of all books.”  Noah Webster said, “The Bible is the chief moral cause of all that is good, and the best corrector of all that is evil, in human society, the best Book for regulating temporal concerns of men, and the only Book that can serve as an infallible guide to future felicity.”
           
          Don’t forget that we did not have “schools” as we know it today, but the majority of children were taught at home and the Bible was the book used to teach them to read, (Even though today we know it (KJB) is written at a 12th grade level), as well as to teach them morals.  We teach that everyone sees things differently and that there are no absolutes for morals.  They are “absolutely” sure about this.  Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
           
          The founding documents written between 1760-1805 were found that 94% of the documents that went into the Founding Era were based on the Bible, and of that, 34% of the contents were direct quotations from the Bible.  What do you think our twisted Supreme Court and educators of today would say to that if this were taught in schools?  It is fact and not some fiction.  I believe this is what is wrong today.  We treat fact as though it is fiction, if we don’t like it, and fiction as fact.  Have a good day.

  • WhiteFalcon

    Nixon waas never impeached. Further, the worst things he did amounted to dirty politics. So what/? Dirty politics has been going on forever. He lied to the public. Clinton’s “I did not have sex with that woman Monica Lewinsky” was as a bald faced lie as was ever pushed off to the public, and he wound up with nothing for it because of corrupt commieonazicrat senators. He was dis barred from practicing law, as was Ovomit and Ovomit’s wife, but since they are commieonazicrats that doesn’t matter.  I’m afraid that there is going to be some very hard times ahead because of these corrupt commieonazicrats and their RINO partners in crime.

  • TedRWeiland

    Without Yahweh’s morality as found in His perfect laws and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-9) and a repudiation of everything opposed thereto, America has no hope of any significant and/or lasting change. Anything else (including what the Tea Party offers) will be just another form of the same-old-same-old – i.e. rejection of our God, King, Judge, and Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22). Jeremiah said it best: “Who is the wise man, that may understand this? …the land perisheth … because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein; but have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim [an ancient form of WE THE PEOPLE], which their fathers taught them.” (Jeremiah 9:12-14)
     
    Listen to “Tea Parties: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” Part 1 at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/tapelist.html#T847 and Part 2 at T 848. Then go to our Tea Party Project page where some real hope for change can be found.

    • RhondaReichel

      Well Ted we had a godly man running in 2008….Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party is an actual minister.  I had to write him in.  Ron Paul is also a good bible believing Christian yet when he brought up the Golden Rule during the debates they booed him.  The GOP has become as evil as the Democratic party.
       
      What God has always done when his people became stiff necked and disobedient is punish them…that’s where we are at now.  I pray that God will take care of his own throughout this coming catastrophe but if he calls us home I’m happy to go now.

      • TedRWeiland

        @RhondaReichel I’m sorry to disagree with you. Anyone who will not admit that sodomy is a sin in Yahweh’s eyes, is not godly and anyone who supports such a man is not godly. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIeW0DY64bE.

        • Russian55

          @TedRWeiland  @RhondaReichel How does someone else committing an act affect you, so long as you are not involved?
          If the sin in against God alone, then let God meet our the punishment.  The government need not enforce sins against God alone.

        • TedRWeiland

          @Russian55  @RhondaReichel 
           
          Russian 55: “The government need not enforce sins against God alone.” Says Russian, not God.
           
          “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”  (Leviticus 20:13)

      • RobertAlexander

        I Kings 2:3: And keep the charge of יהוה (YAH) thy Elohim (GOD,) to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
         
        Psalms 119.2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
         
        James 4.8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
         
        Matthew 6.24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
         
        Matthew 4.10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship יהוה (YAH) thy Elohim (GOD,) and him only shalt thou serve.
         
        Malachi 3.
        13 Your words have been stout against me, saith יהוה (YAH.) Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?
        14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve Elohim (GOD:) and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before יהוה (YAH) of hosts?
        15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt Elohim (GOD) are even delivered.

  • Rick Black Sr

    Guess I’m wishy washy then. I’m a fiscal conservative but when it comes to social issues ther are some I favor and others I don’t. I believe in the Republic form of government and the Capitalist system of financial economics. However, I don’t believe that government or anybody else for that mattter has any business in the bedroom. What goes on between two consenting, straight adults is their business. What you teach your kids and how you raise them, is again, your business. I draw the line at common sense understanding of abuse and neglect. I don’t want a Theocracy that intrudes on my individual right to believe what I want or tell me how I should live according to their religioius beliefs. But again, I believe in the virtures that religion teaches. Just not the religious aspect of it. Manners, coutesy, respect, honesty, self sacrifice and so forth. I believe all have the right to live their lives according to their faith as long as that faith does not include forcing others to do so.

    • Frank J Linane

      @Rick Black Sr He, I am a christian and totally agree with your statement.  The only difference I would make it that I believe the country should be run on Christian principles.  Christianity by its very nature and its God can not force its position on anyone.  Allowing Christianity to flourish, and not be kicked out of every public square was and isi the intent of our Constitution.  “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and our second President.

  • Canadian1ady

    The reason the US is in the trouble it’s in is because, for too long, conservatives have been willing to compromise their liberty and morality.  After Obama’s unexpected win, I doubt America can ever be conservative again.

    • NunnyahBiz

      @Canadian1ady With all due respect,
      obama’s win was not unexpected! You just didn’t read between enough lines of the media spew!!

  • WilliamSpires

    As far as Obama winning the election, it didn’t hurt to have very near twice as many votes for Obama as their was actually registered voters in many precincts of the deciding states either !

    • SandyB

      @WilliamSpires Why isn’t anyone addressing that fact and do something about all the obvious voter fraud that occurred?? It seems to have been swept under the rug.

      • NunnyahBiz

        @WilliamSpires Romney knew he was supposed to lose, because he IS controlled by the same people that control obama……………………….’nuff said?!

      • OldBamaGal

        @WilliamSpires
         The republicans are spineless.The FBI is investigating reports of fraud.

        • NunnyahBiz

          @OldBamaGal  @WilliamSpires 
          LOL!      FBI = For Bureaucrats Inclusively!
          The FBI has been a gov only organization since J Edgar Hoover chose sodomy! They don’t care about We, The People!

  • T4WV

    Wait a minute, let me get this straight…I can’t be a “Conservative” because I don’t support a Government getting in the bedrooms of people, the same Government that I don’t want in any other part of MY life?…..I thought the idea was to make a smaller LESS INTRUSIVE Government for ALL Americans Not for ones I disagree with?…..Government isn’t goin to change anyones way of thinking, morals or habits it takes people wanting to do it……Plus, since do WE want the Government to do that? I thought that was we were trying to get the Government out of?….Are you saying just because the Government isn’t enforcing a law people can’t be moral or ethical? Since when?…I resent that way of thinking…….We need to change the hearts of minds of people not make new laws and give Government more power that I thought we were fighting against?!…..

    • Dodie1990

      @T4WV You are true conservative/libertarian. The new “religious ” who call themselves conservative only want to use the government to control women’s reproductive choices(but won’t pay the welfare amd free medical for all the extra people) Forcing your religious intolerance on others does not make you conservative and only alienates many thinking conservatives. I will NEVER voite for that religious phony Santorum.

      • DennyB

        @Dodie1990  @T4WV
         Wait a minute. Why should you or anyone else make me swallow your beliefs? I don’t want to control womens repoductive choices, I just don’t want to be forced to pay for something I may not believe in. Don’t I get a choice? How aboutt Gay marrage? I don’t believe in that either. But if Gays want to get married, then let them. Just don’t pass laws that force me to go along with it. Same with Gay rights. How about stright peoples rights?
        Same with free cell phones. If Obama wants people to have free cell phones, fine, he buys them. Don’t use my tax dollars to buy them. Same with the religious values, you deny my rights but I have to accept yours, It appears to me, you want your rights, but deny mine. Very typical of what I see happening now in the United States by roressive Democrats.

        • Dodie1990

          @DennyB @T4WV Birth control is far cheaper that welfare and free medial for life. I don’t like to pay either, but I surely know which is cheaper for the taxpayers

        • Russian55

          @DennyB  @Dodie1990 I agree with most of this, but blanch at “straight people’s rights.”
          What rights do we not have other than those denied to all?
          For example, the State of California denies me my right to carry a firearm.  I must obtain a permit from the State (which will not issue them) to exercise my “Rights” under the Second Amendment.
          If my Rights come from God, he is doing a poor job.

        • NavyJR

          @Dodie1990  None of us should have to pay for either!  The only 100% effective method of birth control is FREE now; to every woman at all times, and most any 2 year old can teach you how it works: it’s the complete sentence “NO!”.  That’s all you need, along with a thing called self-control and another called accountability!

      • Frank J Linane

        @Dodie1990  @T4WV As a woman should you not  be intelligent /responsible enough to control your own reproductive system?   Why do you or any women feel entitled to make OTHERS pay for your irresponsible.? Who deserves to be taken care of?  Children and those who can not care for themselves!  Children by their parents, and those who are disabled by their family.  I realize this does not cover every situation, but most.  Since when is medical care free?  Do you have a job?  If you do or if you did, are you going to give your services away for free?   Have you spent more than eight years and 100,000 of thousands of dollars getting your training?  Why do you expect doctors to give you anything?  Are you going to pay for the technical devices used for diagnostics, etc. ?  Free lunches are only reality in the minds of those who live in fantasy land
         
        There are no extra people 40 % of those who do not have health care are the young who do not want to pay for it. Forcing me to pay for your health care is total crap.  
        The only ideology in the guise of a religion are those who claim [islam].  Christianity does not force its concepts on others, but they do follow them, as our nation was founded on God’s principles.  People in all religions or those who claim to be atheist , save [islam] are always free to chose their own way
        To me Dodie, you are one bitter person, but that too is your choice, no intolerance here, for it is those who speak as you who are the intolerant ones

    • franseaaz

      Exactly my thinking.

    • franseaaz

      Less government is best for all.  You are absolutely correct.

  • DeaconG

    I have a Large Bumper Sticker on my SUV that stands out in a big way. Pro Woman   Pro Child  Pro Life   I suppose I am one of the few conservatives who agree with the author of this story.  And Christ asked this question: Who Do You Say I am ?  Liberals will say the bible is a fairy tale and Christ does not exist. They will find out they were wrong when it’s too late.

    • Dodie1990

      @DeaconG Are you “pro-life” or just anti-abortion? Are you against the death penalty? Are you for gun control, unlimited immigration, amnsesty for all ilegals, welfare for all? Many “pro-life” people ,are for the death penalty,against gun control, are anti-immigrant, hardly the stuff of pro-life, and they drop the mother and infant as soon as the birth is forced by opposing welfare and free medical. Pro-birth and pro-life are two different things.

      • RalphZ

        @Dodie1990  @DeaconG Dodie1990, God is the one who gave the Death Penalty and you are saying that he is wrong?  Well, when you stand before him, don’t forget to tell him that.

  • Budmanr

    Citizen morality is a requirement for the citizens to have a just and limited government.  However, we can’t have the government be the arbitor of religious morality because that would be overstepping the separation of church and state.  The government should promote morality by supporting a moral education (something it has not done in fact it has undermined a moral education).  Morally, government must lead by example and it must provide a moral environment. 
    Ever since the progressives have infiltrated our government and our educational system (beginning with Woodrow Wilson) the US has begun its decline.  The tea party must fight this decline by fighting for  moral education and by fighting for the teaching of our founding and constitution.  The current generation has been brainwashed by the progressives.  They have taught multiculturalism, secularism, immorality and victim hood.  This is where the fight must be fought.

  • ptefft

    I agree whole heartily with Budmanr and the liberal progressives in this country are hell bent on removing religion, especially Christianity from our way of life.  I would venture to say that probably most if not all of those who voted for progressive ideology have no clue that this is their agenda.  There is a huge fight for the minds of our young people so that they will and are Euro’s in their thinking.  Problem is its working and few of them even realize we function by a Constitution founded in 1776 for our best interest and there has always been those who would rather live in a socialist and dictatorship society.

  • RalphZ

    Politicians don’t care about the “Church” speaking out on Morals for they, politicians/government, have a louder voice.  They have children under their control and indoctrination from Kindergarten through 12th grade and beyond.  They are limiting parental rights, especially when the parents are Christians.  They silence the Church when it speaks out on general morality of citizens and politicians under the supposed clause of “Separation of Church and State”.  But if you’ve ever read the letter they should be referring to instead of the First Amendment, it is a solid wall that does not allow the Government to tell the Church what it can and cannot preach on in the public arena. 
     
    One more thing, “An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.” Proverbs 29:27.This has been proven more times then not.

    • DennyB

      @RalphZ
       “Son of man, turn your face against evil”. Also in provebs. This why I always vote for he person, man or woman, ho shares my Christan values. Or has the most Christan values. Not the enomination. Which politician, which pary in eneral, has aken Christan Values outof our country? Which party took God out of heir platform during the National Prty Convention, and when they put God back in, there were boo’s, Jeer’s?Which party is attacking Christanity, saying there is hate seec in the Bible? Which party pushed taking the Lords prayer, a none deominational prayer, out of the schools? Which party wants “In God We Trust” taken off our currency? Which party wants “Under God” taken out of he pledge of aligance?  Which party doesn’t want cros’s in the Arlington Cemetary? Which party doesn’t want crosses, nativity scenes, on public property? Want me to go on? here are still many more afronts to God. I can not, will not ever again vote for a party candidate from this party. Ialso will not bvte for any candidate, from any party, that goes along with these things. I will stand on my Christan Values. I also will vote accordingly, and vote I will, turning my face from evil. I suggest all you have Christan values, re-visit who you vote for and how you arrive at that descision. Many so called Christans voted for Obama, who does not have any of my Christan Values. None. He can’t, he is Muslim. Him, his aministration, czars, associates, many in congress, both parties, have demonstrated what they think of Christan values, time and again.

  • God_Of_War

    Homos teaching our children, same sex unions called “marriage”, unchecked illegal immigration, acceotance of the cult of islam, all these and more add up to a changing America not only in terms of morality but also in terms of demographics.
    This means a huge change in the make-up of America…an America I can no longer support. I really, really hate this fu**in’ country anymore.

    • DennyB

      @God_Of_War
       Don’t give up. they can use fraud in elections, pass all the civil laws they want, get as politcally right as they want. But, they can not change how I think. They can not change what is acually right and honest. There will come a place in time, where they will reap what hey are sowing. All of them. No one will be left out.

      • dolagibb

        @DennyB  @God_Of_War
         Amen Jesus will make sure of that! Love DG <><

    • NunnyahBiz

      @God_Of_War Don’t hate our country, just those that are perverting it! They are the ones that must be eradicated!

    • RalphZ

      @God_Of_War If you hate this  country, then leave.  We don’t need people who hate her but are willing to love this country enough to stand in the opening of the hedge, be counted and work to stop this perversion of America and her foundation.  If you are not willing to put up your life, family and all your worldly wealth to do this, then leave.

    • RhondaReichel

      don’t hate it …..reform it

  • Don39

    There are two things that true conservatives do not compromise, liberty and morality!

  • gypsy314

    tea party is the only group that makes sense so let the rhinos jump back to the side were they came from and we will be much better off with out the rhinos trust is earned not just given and expected to follow them blindly with out good sense and I say unite with tea party and we all will be much stronger for the better. Like it or not chaos is coming soon enough and then finally civil war to settle our country’s direction. We will bleed some but freedom is not cheap. Our fore fathers did it for us now we must step forward  for our children and there children. America had a chance to do this peacefully and democrats hack the election and Americans know it. So our leaders have a chance to impeach Obama and his supporters if they fail well so be it. Lets get it on.

    • OldBamaGal

      @gypsy314
       The R’s are spineless. The people saw how they waffled after all the elections of 2010. We saw those who were elected were despised by their supposed party. The Republicans replaced the Whigs  when they became Democrat lights. It’s time for a new party to replace the new Democrat light party of Republicans.

      • NavyJR

        @OldBamaGal  DON’T mistake the actions of a few for the intentions and convictions of us all, it could be a fatal mistake to do that!

  • SheilaAnn

    Karl Rove has to go…He is the biggest problem of the GOP…Maybe put Chuck Norris in charge…Karl was a big part of the problem with Bush. Now he wants to push Jeb Bush…We have had too many Bushes…no more please.
    This country has turned its back on morality..It has moved God out…We need God back and go from there…

    • OldBamaGal

      @SheilaAnn
       AMEN!- Please, no more Bushes.

    • flyovercindy

      @SheilaAnn Bingo!  Rove wants to create the means for the republican party to block “undesirable” GOP candidates.  It doesn’t matter if it is right leaning or left leaning – the “party” blocking the wishes of American citizens MUST NOT BE ALLOWED!    WAKE UP PEOPLE, WHILE WE STILL MIGHT HAVE A VOICE IN OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Dodie1990

      @SheilaAnn God won’t outvote the 47%

    • Russian55

      @SheilaAnn This is why the Right will lose.  The majority do not want THIS view of “morality” imposed on them.
      Moreover, this is why the Framers did NOT impose a religion or any notion thereof.  Despite the myths, look to the Constitution:  NO mention of “God” is made, and the only reference to religion is a negative one, saying no religious tests for office shall be used.
      Yet the extremists WANT a “religious test” for the candidates.  So they come up with candidates that scare the crap out of the majority of voters.

      • Frank J Linane

        @Russian55  @SheilaAnn   You are in error, for it is you who are following the myths of the left.  Your study of American history is nonexistent.”“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” John Adams second president of the United States.  Russian55 please do yourself a favor and therefore America by reading the summary of the totality of the founders writings and then posting.

      • Medic2

        @Russian55  @SheilaAnn The Bill of Rights states that they are rights endowed by our Creator. God was very much a part of it.

  • SheilaAnn

    The Church is silent…..what church????

  • SCarroll

    As a Tea Party member I agree 100%.  I have been battling this within a number of groups.  This is exactly why the Tea Party failed.  The Church is a huge factor, they have been silent and utter cowards.  Many Priests have refused to abandon “social justice” and refuse to revive our true founding. We have compromised, when principles cannot be compromised.  I stand with Uganda!

    • Brusckey

      Ah yes, but thank God the American Bishops were united against the HHS mandate.   Fr. Fessio called that “Obama’s first miracle”.

  • NavyJR

    It’s not LIBERTY that’s at war with morality, but LIBERALISM; and the 2 are mutually exclusive; Liberals don’t SEEK liberty;. they want a “sugar daddy” government to take care of them; to think for them, and to protect them from the consequences of all their bad behaviors!  That’s NOT liberty at all, in fact it’s closer kin to enslavement, than liberty!  Until and unless we stand on our morals and principles we don’t offers clear difference, and we can’t DO that if we don’t even understand the difference between liberty and liberalism!

    • Russian55

      @NavyJR Liberty is a war with anyone who would tell others what they must do in their personal life.  The government should govern only our dealing with others where there is no consent.
      I should be free to do as I will, so long as I do not harm you.

      • Medic2

        @Russian55  You have a point however that thinking is why the liberty movement is so fractured. If we could come to an agreement that we wont agree on every thing but we have enough common ground, we could make a go of it, I understand not all people who want limited gov and freedom are Christians, however many of us are and you should not discount our views in the name of liberty.

        • Russian55

          @Medic2 Common ground is the basis for compromise, which is what has made the US great for centuries.

      • Brusckey

        John Stuart Mill said “The right to swing my arm ends, where my neighbor’s nose begins”.
         
        So let’s stop cutting all those baby’s noses off in abortion.
         
        And let’s stop pretending that Children don’t have a right to be raised by their true mother and father.  (No artificial “marriage”)

        • Russian55

          @Brusckey So you oppose adoption?

  • Eliza

    Today’s church is apostasized.  Evangelicals have abandoned the Scriptures and gathered around them a great number of teachers saying what their itching ears want to hear.  There is no reason for God to show us mercy.  We sin egregiously, arrogantly and think He will not hold us accountable, but He does.  The government we have is the government we deserve.  We have embraced the lie of the media and follow after emptiness and vanity and degeneracy.  Those who think that we can kill the unborn, or turn a blind eye are deceived.  Those who think that homosexuality is a matter between two consenting adults don’t realize that it is God’s judgement upon people who reject Him and embrace evil.  We deserve nothing but God’s just judgement! 
    Obama is a portent of what is to come.  He is a little antichrist, whose cult of personality is a mere flicker of the conflagration that will burn when the true Antichrist comes on the scene.  Do not be deceived, God is not mocked.  Those who sow to the sinful nature shall from that nature reap destruction!  This whole dispensation is heading towards the culmination of God’s judgement upon mankind when the Antichrist comes and the final judgements of God are poured out upon this evil world that hates God and His Son, Jesus Christ.  Our only hope is to repent from our sin, return to the Christ of the Scriptures and place our faith and trust in Him.  As Peter said on the day of Pentecost, “Save yourself from this wicked and perverse generation!

    • ptefft

      Eliza so well put and very true.  We as Christians have been and continue to be weak and apathetic to the cause of Christ.  I’m so afraid that God will send judgement in forms that no one will survive but we deserve it.  Save God’s grace we will all perish under his judgement.  AntiChrist is here, he is in our liberal churches, our jobs, our schools, government and all of our acceptable society happenings.  The only thing left is his appearance.  Its at that time people will know the truth. Yes so many are deceived and go about life without little or no thought of our great and glorious Creator.  Our country is and has been in serious decline due to many’s rejection of Jesus Christ.

  • Dennis822

    I thought id throw this out there after reading a few more of the comments here.Id ask just what do you christians think is going to happen when Messiah returns? Its going to be the same? For all you lovers of so called freedom out there? There isnt going to be any.YEHSHUA  is coming back as a lion with a sword TO RULE!! Its going to be his way this time.A new heaven and a new earth.Not going to be the way it was or use to be.Now of course his love and obeying him is freedom but im reading alot of comments from supposed christians that i feel are missing the mark big time.What got us in this mess in the first place is WE THE PEOPLE thinking we could do it better than YAHWEH(GOD) and doing things our way instead of GODs way.I guaruntee its not going back to our way after all is said and done folks.Just sayin.

    • RhondaReichel

      Well Dennis HIS way is going to be a huge relief. 
      When you really think about it what would Jesus stop that we would even miss?  Just the peace and harmony and love is so wonderful I would hope that I survived to see it….but he is going to destroy a lot in the process and I’d bet Washington DC would be the first place He is going to start cleaning up
      Jesus hurry is all I can say
      Chuck Baldwin did a very good article on blood thirsty Christians who want these bloody wars, that’s where I think most Christians are missing the mark.

      • Dennis822

        Yes i read it after you posted the link thank you.Total agreement there.Im aquainted with Mr Baldwin and i like alot of the things hes expressed.

    • LoranCarlson

      @Dennis822  Well lets see.  Our founders created this nation on Judeo-Christian principles, yes?  I feel as do millions of others that our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were inspired by God.  Our nation grew economically fast and strong due in great part to these principles.  Yes, it was a fantastic experiment which succeeded beyond our wildest dreams through a lot of trial and error.  But up until recently, we managed to get it right.   Now we have abandoned God and our nation has become a nation of takers.  Look at the war on Religion, not the so called war on women.  Soon God will return and rule the earth and the heavens.  He will do what man could never do simply because man is man.  Man is not Righteous.  But some come darn close.  I think it was the book of Isaiah which stated that “man will dominate man to his injury”.

      • Dennis822

        Well if millions of,so called christians,feel as you then i see why we are in the trouble we are in.If you take the blinders off and study it.The constitution is in direct opposition to YAHWEHs(GODs) way.Every where i look and listen all i hear  is how we are a country of freedom.That we can worship how and what we want but what does GOD say on this one thing alone? THOU SHALT NOT HAVE ANY OTHER GODs BEFORE ME !!! So this constitution allows worship of false gods and all manner of filth but YAHWEH(GOD) tells us, if we are his, to worship him and him alone.I have one document that governs me and it is the WORD OF GOD.Not some piece of paper written by men to govern men.No matter how great they seemed to be.This fallacy, that some how, GOD dictated the constitution to men is insane.It was nothing more than mans attempt to govern man and its why we are in the mess we are in.If wed have stuck to the guiding principles and teachings of the bible wed not be in the mess we are in now and is exactly why YESHUA MESSIAH is returning.To establish HIS government on earth

    • RhondaReichel

      Dennis..here’s that article about blood thirsty Christians
      Read it and tell me what you think
      http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin93.htm

      • Medic2

        @RhondaReichel Good good good article. THAT is the party we should be supporting not the GOP, however as I said before, we need to bring in as many libertarians and tea party activists as we can. Run as fast as we can from the republican party. Problem is liberty loving people are just as split as church denominations, We have alot of common ground but there are some things we just cant agree on. It will be tough.

    • Medic2

      @Dennis822 You are right, when Christ comes back it WILL be his way or no way. However when you allow men to set up how they say it should be you wind up with the Catholic church, or the church of England or Islamic imams teaching radical crap. Its not that we thought we could do better than God, its that men tried to impose aTHIER view of how God wanted it or how they wanted to interpret Gods word and corruption set in, THAT is why the GOVERNMENT should not tell us who and how to worship, Christians cant even agree totally on how its supposed to be. If they could there wouldnt be so many different denominations.

      • Medic2

        @Dennis822 I used those two churches as an example because they are what prompted people to come here to begin with. It wouldnt be any different if LDS was in charge, or the Baptists or any other Christian group. I actually grew up southern baptist, my dad is a pastor. I certainly would tend to agree with their ideas more than others, but at the same time I dont want a government made up of evangelical Christians telling me how I HAVE to worship. How I worship God is between me and Him. Not me and the government. I tend to think as long as you believe Christ died for us and is the only way to heaven it doesn matter what denomination you belong to. You have to have a personal relationship with God, not one the government forces you into. Go to church, work with people who may not believe and try to bring them to the fold, but dont legislate it to a point they are punished if they dont. Thats what the middle east countries do with Islam. Dont believe in Allah and Mohammed, ok well we will pile your head up with the rest or put you in prison. See my point?

      • Brusckey

        @Medic2  @Dennis822 Hi Medic2.  Jesus was a Man and He set up a Church of men and told them “Who hears you hears me”.  I know it is difficult, because basically men stink (consider Judas), but we have to obey the Church’s authority in matters of faith and morals and practice.   I believe those men today are the Catholic Bishops around the world, and specifically the Successor of Peter, Benedict XVI.

        • Dennis822

          Brusckey.Jesus Christ(YESHUA) was not just a man.He was YAHWEH(GOD) in the flesh come for our salvation.What you just stated is the spirit of anti-christ.I will have no man dictate to me matters of faith,morals or practice.I can read the word of GOD(YAHWEH) for myself and do as HE commands not some mans interpetation of what his word says.Thats another reason why we are in the mess we are in.

      • Dennis822

        Brother thats exactly why man does what he does.We think we know better than the creator and do our own thing instead of what YAHWEH commands us.Geez if ya read the constitution then the bible they are in complete opposition to one another and the constitution is exactly what has allowed all this crap in all forms into this country.

  • ShirleyWade

    I want to clarify what I said earlier on this site, I think it was misunderstood. I am not a Christian but I am very Spiritual. I belong to no Religious Denomination but am a Moral person and I do believe in the teachings of Jesus. Now with that said, the War between Liberty and Morality is for whatever name you use to take someone’s Liberties away is wrong. Whether you Claim to be a Conservative or a Liberal, when you force your beliefs upon anyone  taking away their Liberty to live as they believe, it all is still Control. If you use a Government that is meant for all people to enforce your belief, it’s has wrong as a Socialist Belief. There are many good Moral people who are not a Conservative or a Liberal but have rights as well. I am not Gay but have Gay friends and family, they have as much right to live on this earth and pursuit of happiness as anyone else. Does this mean I think we should change our Marriage Laws to their way of life? No, but they should have some laws that would allow them to be able to be with their mate in the hospital and should they adopt or have children, those children should be treated as any other child from a man and woman marriage. I don’t agree with them wanting us to change the rules and laws that this country started on to meet with their way of life but it should be recognize that this country was made up of all kinds of people. Now as for abortion, I’m not for abortions but I not for forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want and will probably abuse either. It is her body and yes it is her responsibility to protect herself from unwanted Pregnancy. I think that every woman should be on some form of birth control method even if she isn’t having sex, just to protect her from such things as rape. As soon as that person is old enough to bear children, she should be protected because our world is basically immoral. But, if she doesn’t protect herself for whatever reason, then I think she should have a choice, one time and one time only. Should a woman get pregnant and thinks she wants to have an abortion, then the restrictions placed on having an abortion is that there is another surgery to go along with that abortion and that be sterilization. I didn’t say sterilization without the woman’s consent or knowing. I say, she will have the choice over her own body just as she had to choice not to protect herself. It is wrong to not give a woman the right over her own body just because it is against your beliefs. She still has the Freedom and Liberty to choose from the beginning. An Abortion is the taking of a life and should not be a procedure given out like candy. A limit of one Abortion and then this woman will never have to make that choice again. But to not give her that choice at all and to impose your beliefs on that woman over her own body is just as wrong as that woman aborting that baby. After all who will answer for that choice, it won’t be you, so therefore you have no right to choose for her. So, I’m not saying she should be sterilize without her knowledge or consent. We can restrict by law how many times this procedure is done and to prevent another unwanted pregnancy the person who chooses abortion, will not have to make that choice again. There are not just Conservatives and Liberals here or even Religious or Atheist. There are other people who just want Freedom for All to believe the way they want to believe. And as Long as they don’t infringe on anyone else or force anyone else to their way of life, then give them the Liberty to do this. It is true our Country was formed by the Non Indian to be a Religious and Moral Country. But there were men making our Constitution, that went to Services and claim to be highly moral men that did unethical things in the name of their religion and believed as long as no one knew about it, they were good. It was never meant that this country be ruled by any religion although their were a lot of religious sayings in our Government, it was meant that all men were created equal and had equals rights and liberties and would not be Ruled by the Church of any kind.

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @ShirleyWade Neither should religious (people of faith)  people be ruled by sin, corruption and corporate scamming. Wall Street has expanded it’s corruption into working class and government officials are promoting sin to Americans and exploiting sin to gain votes for elections. When I was a kid I remember doing a skit at church called Celestial City. Our government is turning into that skit. A city (Country) of sin, who’s only purpose is to serve man and not GOD! Whether your spiritual or a believer that God sent Jesus Christ to die for your sin so your sinful nature would be forgiven, you can not ignore that our GOVERNMENT is promoting SIN over the needs of their fellow Americans.

      • NunnyahBiz

        @VeteransAgainstMatco  @ShirleyWade
         
        Touche!

    • grandmaliberty

      @ShirleyWade I find nothing spiritual in your comment… just excuses for being immoral… shake the dust off your feet and get straight with God….

    • RhondaReichel

      you don’t have to belong to a denomination to be a good Christian….you just have to love Jesus and live that way.
      I think where we went wrong is welfare….it has caused the breakdown in families.  Women don’t need a husband, can have babies without consequences.  Then those kids grow up and live that lifestyle and it’s self repeating. 
      Yes there is a problem with a theocracy form of government.  It would lead to lots of power plays and squabbling.  On the other hand it’s not wrong for Christians to want to elect Christian leaders.  Even secular people do know right from wrong.

    • Brusckey

      @ShirleyWade Thanks for your thoughtful comments ShirleyWade.  The Government needs to acknowledge and respect the natural law, and “Nature and Nature’s God”.   A child has a right to both mother and father.  Alienating that right must not be enshrined in any law, even if it makes some selfish adults happy for a wile.  This is not a question of religion or spirituality, but of natural law.  Even atheists can reason this (although it’s more difficult for them because they seem to be astonishingly insensitive to metaphysical reality).
       
      The same with abortion.  The child has as much of a right to life as the mother.  The legitimate government must secure and defend those rights.  There is never a case (any more) where abortion is necessary to save the mother.  In this day of medical marvels, abortion should be more illegal than ever.

  • harmonno98

    A true conservative is for smaller government and Constitutional principals…..with the guardrails of “morality”.  This is what has sustained the American experiment, because these things I believe have brought the “blessings” of the Almighty!

    • Dennis822

      And where do you think conservatives got that moral guidance from? At one time,long ago.If you said conservative up popped the word christian they were basically the same thing or thought of in the same context.What guided a conservative was the WORD OF GOD!!! In the beginnings of this country we were indeed blessed by Almighty YAHWEH(GOD) but not any longer.

  • Darrell C

    This election was not about who could give the most to the “poor”.  It was not about sticking it to the rich.  It was about two ways of thought, two belief patterns.  It was about morality vs. immorality.  Freedom vs. loss of freedom.  Two schools of thought.  I, for one, am a one issue voter.  Abortion.  If a person or party believes that killing the unborn by burning them to death with saline, or tearing them limb from limb in the the one place that should be a safe haven for them, the womb, they have a serious belief breakdown.  If you believe abortion is okay in some instances, you have put yourself in the place of God.  And isn’t that what the Liberal agenda is all about?  Making themselves into god? 
     
    The argument that abortion should be permissible in the case of rape is a perverse, twisted logic.  A man rapes a woman, she becomes pregnant, and who is made to pay the ultimate price?  The innocent child!  God creates life and God is the one who can take it away.
     
    To those who think that being in favor of the death penalty and being Pro-Life is odd, it’s not.  One is innocent.  One is guilty of a serious crime and needs to be dealt with.  One has had no chance to live life.  The other has had their chance and squandered it.  Scripture allows for the death penalty.  It also allows for punishment for the killing of the innocent.
     
    Over 53 million babies have been murdered in the womb since Killing the unborn became legal.  Check the US Census figures.  That amounts to the total population of the 27 lowest populated states in the union, based on 2011 estimates.  27 states!  Our nation is truely covered in blood, from sea to shining sea.
     
    Homosexuality is an off-shoot of the way of thinking that says abortion is good and necessary.  A man laying with another man is natural?  The Lord laid it out in Romans 1.  That’s where we are.  The Christian Church needs to see that this is a dire time for our nation and for our freedom.  People are lined up like lemmings, heading over the cliff of deceit, dropping straight into hell and so many do nothing, pray nothing, say nothing.  We are not a Christian nation.  I would never condone trying to make it into one.  That can only lead to legalism, which I see in some of the comments to this article.  We need to fast and pray and get on our knees and cry out to God, not so much for this once great nation, but for the millions of souls running headlong towards hell.
     
    For those who say the are not Christian, but believe the teachings of Jesus, I would have to ask, do you believe what He said when He said He was the Son of God?  How about when He said “I and the Father are one?”  If you believe what Jesus said but lend no credance to His being the Son of God, of the Savior, you are in a pretty pickle, my friend.  If you say you believe everything He said without believing He is who He said He was, you’re blind.  You need to ask Him into your heart and ask for forgiveness for your sins.  He is listening and waiting for the invitation.
     
    Wake up Christians.

  • LeeL

    You are absolutely wrong. Tea Party conservatives do represent the moral and religious center of the nation and are almost unaminously pro life and anti gay marriage. That said. The leaders of the Tea Party movement wanted to appeal to the broader range of Constitutional conservatives and they structured a set of economic, personal liberty and limited government principles for the Party to attract like minded supporters from all political parties and the unaffiliated. The beltway GOP ignored the and marginalized the Tea Party and nominated someone that had no hope of energizing the more conservative, Libertarian and right wing majority of the Tea Party. He lost.

    • Russian55

      @LeeL The TEA Party is of a very loose affiliation.  You cannot say what it stands for except in very general terms.

  • autonomous 1

    Whit Falcon, I applaud your comment about the hypocrisy of the politicians.  The present parties (which have a common goal of a New World Order), delude the public with their rhetoric of constitutionalism while enacting fascist/communistic policies.

  • Ron T

    Abortion is an extremely difficult concept for open minded conservatives to grapple with. On the one hand we visualize the trauma inflicted on the fetus and cringe with disgust. Should the women be allowed to terminate the life of the fetus just because it’s an inconvenience?  Should some faceless politician be allowed to tell the rape victim that she must carry the result of this viciousness to full term as it reminds her every day of her ordeal and perhaps inflict pyscological damage that will affect the rest of her life?  And then we look at the intrusions the government have made into our personal lives and say “no more”.
    In the case of abortion for the health of the mother, a reasonable person must ask whose life takes takes precedence; the mother’s or the child’s. 
    True freedom is sometimes allowing acts or actions to occur even though they personally offend you. No matter how you try to to moralize, or demonize, this issue there are 2 sides that must be considered. A true conservative is willing to set aside their personal feelings and consider others. Of course this approach is what has allowed the far left among us force their opinions on us and put us in the horrible mess our government has become, but to do otherwise will make us no better than them. Radicalism is seeing things as only black or white no matter which side of the fence you’re on.

    • Darrell C

      @Ron T Pretty good rationalization of abortion.  So…are you advocating the killing of unborn babies?  Or just in specific cases?  When is the killing of an innocent, with premeditation, not murder?

      • NunnyahBiz

        @Darrell C  @Ron T Only when the mother’s life is in danger because of the pregnancy. Then it is described as a mercy killing! Not pretty, but true.

        • grandmaliberty

          @NunnyahBiz @Darrell C @Ron T what “true mother” would not give up her life for her child??

        • Brusckey

          @NunnyahBiz  @Darrell C  @Ron T The end does not justify the means.  You can’t directly kill an innocent in order to derive some benefit, even if the benefit is of equal moral standing.   Call it black and white or whatever physical metaphor you like to confuse the issue, but morality requires the drawing of a line.  Doing evil to achieve good is one of the great Marxist errors of our time.

        • Ron T

          @grandmaliberty  @NunnyahBiz  @Darrell  @Ron Perhaps a single mother who has one or more other children that need her care. There just aren’t any simplistic answers to these difficult questions.

        • Ron T

          @Brusckey  @NunnyahBiz  @Darrell C Brusckey – You are taking the stance that an unborn fetus is a fully functional, cognitive being with a soul from conception. That opinion is probably derived from your religious exposure. But what about those that don’t share your religious beliefs or convictions. Are they automatically wrong? Are they wrong on every issue of theology that they disagree with you? I personally don’t believe in abortion, but where I stuggle is does my opinion supercede those of others that don’t hold the same beliefs as I do? 
          Because you believe so passionately in the wrongness of abortion you automaticately assume that anyone who doesn’t must be, or has to be, a heartless murderer with no moral compass and that is where the black or white mindset blurs the issue. Some people just don’t think like you or I and that make them, or us, wrong. I think neither. We just disagree.

        • Eliza

          @Ron T  @Brusckey  @NunnyahBiz  @Darrell C
           Would you murder your neighbor because he won’t lend you his lawn mower and that is inconvenient for you and means that you have to buy a lawn mower?  Why isn’t that okay?  If you think that it is okay then that doesn’t mean you are a murderer does it?  There is right and wrong.  There are those who are right and those who are wrong.  There is morality and immorality and if you don’t know that by now you are in a world of trouble.  So killing an unborn baby is okay for the person who thinks it is okay, but isn’t okay for the people who don’t think that it is okay?  What is the standard?  How about God’s Word which says thou shalt not murder!  You have made the perfect case of why the liberal viewpoint divides and leads astray.  You have also made the perfect case of why we are sinners.  Sinners can’t know right from wrong because they are led by their sinful nature and don’t want to be held accountable, not hold anybody else accountable.  But be sure your sin will find you out!  Each of us will give an account to God for our deeds!  Immoral, irrational sinners think that it is okay to be sexually promiscuous and then to use birth control after the fact and kill the unborn child. 
          A baby born alive at five months after an unsuccessful saline abortion is a grown woman with a child of her own and she tells her story putting a face and a life to that aborted fetus.  Think about it and repent of your foolish double-mindedness!  Murder, is murder and is wrong, no matter the circumstances, except where the actual life of the mother is threatened.  Where the pregnancy is actually incompatible with her living, then and only then should it be her choice.

        • Darrell C

          @Ron T  @Brusckey  @NunnyahBiz Ron T.  I appreciate you putting words in my mouth.  You “assume” many things about someone you have never met. 
           
          When do you believe a child derives it’s humaness?  Is it at conception or as soon as “it” passes thru the birth canal?  Or, as some think, is it when “it” reaches a certain age of, perhaps a few months?  When does a turtle become a turtle.  Is it at the moment the egg is fertilized or when the turtle crawls out of the shell?  Is there any quality assigned to potential?  When a child is conceived, there is the potential to become a human being.  There is the potential to do great things and contribute to society’s greater good.  I wonder how many potential doctors and researchers have been terminated who may have found a cure for cancer, AIDS, the cold.  I grieve for the children who have been killed because they are people too, and I grieve for the callowness of a party and mindset that says that it’s okay and tries to “educate” people that it’s only a piece of tissue, like an appendix.  An appendix has the potential to become nothing more than an appendix.  A “fetus” has the potential to become nothing less than a human being, who should have the same opportunities as you and I have.
           
          I know people who have had abortions.  I dearly love them and I don’t hold their abortion against them.  I am not the one to condemn.  I can only say what I know, deep in my heart, is true.  I ascribe to the statement, “Love the sinner, hate the sin”.
           
          We are all born with the potential to good or evil.  We are all born with the ability to be “great” people.  That same potential goes the same way.  We all have the potential to become murderous savages.  Look at Hitler, for example.  Anyone who thinks they come from a good, peaceful lineage hasn’t looked very far back in their family tree.  Some choose to see a piece of tissue.  I choose to see the potential.  I am not a “religious” person.  I AM a Christian, however, and that DOES color my thinking, thank God.

        • Ron T

          @Darrell C  @Brusckey  @NunnyahBiz Darrell – I don’t presume to have all the answers to the very complex moral question of abortion. That’s why I joined this discussion, to try and gain some perspective. I assumed nothing about you. I merely drew conclussions from your own disclosures. You on the other hand took my comments to another person and applied them to yourself. But I will  respond directly to your comments to me.
          You said you know people who have had abortions and that you dearly love them. From that I statement I would “assume” that they are good and decent people who have earned your respect, trust and affection. As such they are probably introspective, self-aware people who are guided by an inate sense of right or wrong. If these good people can come to the conclusion that abortion falls within the limits of their moral boundaries then how do you or I put our standards above theirs? This is where I struggle. When do my feelings supercede other people’s. They don’t share my views and are just as sure that they are right as I do. 
          I recently lost a beloved dog after 17 years of friendship. That dog knew when to leave me alone and when to comfort me. We shared more personality traits than I do with many of my friends. I wept at his loss and still feel the vacancy his passing has left. I honestly believed that dog had a soul. That’s my own deeply rooted, rock solid personal belief and no one will ever convince me otherwise. A farmer on the other hand who might have had my dog instead of me might look at him as just a tool to control vermin and pest and would have thought no more of his passing than any other tool he owned. He’d just get a new one. I can no more impose my personal belief on him than he can on me. Fortunately there are no laws, yet, that force people to accept other people’s feelings towards dogs. There are, however, laws that allow abortion and that is where the conflicts arise. Some don’t want to accept other’s right to disagree with their feelings. It’s a struggle for me. I’m sure of my own feelings but am I sure I can impose them on other’s who disagree.

        • Ron T

          @Brusckey  @NunnyahBiz  @Darrell C Eliza – Your missive started out as being stridently opposed to abortion on moral grounds and being contradictary to the word of God…..and I was OK with that. I was however a little put out when you started labeling me as a liberal (ask anyone who knows me, I am so NOT a liberal) and a sinner.
          See, this is where this strident thunder and lightning think wears a little thin with me. Why can’t there be two views on this issue? 
          Let’s start with absolute right and wrongs. Of course there are rights and wrongs. Murdering my neighbor for his lawn mower is an absolute wrong and 99.9% of our population would agree with that. Aborting an early term fetus is in my mind is wrong but a Gallop poll shows that only 20% of the population believe an abortion in all cases should be illegal. Do my standards supercede 80% of the people? I just don’t know.
          Let’s get back to killing my neighbor. I can’t take his lawn mower but what if my family was starving and he had food. If that food was only enough for his family’s needs then, no, I couldn’t justify it. If however he had a huge stockpile beyond his needs then I believe I could sacrifice his life for my family.
          Shades of gray. They’re all around us every day and we have to be able to recognize and reconcile them.
          You also made concilliation to the gray scale when you said an abortion would be OK if the mothers life is endangered. This is the same struggle I am having. By this admission does this put you into the same category of liberal and sinner that you cast me?

      • Ron T

        @Darrell C Darrell – I wasn’t trying to rationalize anything; just trying to show that there are reasonable, moral people that can see a difficult dilema like abortion in a different light than you or I might. Personally I can’t imagine ever being party to abortion but on the other hand I also can’t categorize everyone who has, or encourages someone els to have, an abortion is a cold blooded, premeditive murderer. Black and white. That view rarely comes up with a realistic, sympathetic decision in any instance.

    • God_Of_War

      @Ron T
      Abortion is not a difficult concept at all…..you remove the baby and kill it.
       
      But why have it done?
       
      What is it? What is it with a baby that causes people to want to kill it?
       
      Is there some other solution to killing babies?
       
      Would a change in attitudes effect a change?
       
      Is it worth changing attitudes? We are, after all, talking about human life.
       
      Is sex for pleasure so important we kill human life for it?
       
      How about we, as a society, value human life instead of sex for pleasure at the cost of human life?
       
      How about we modify liberal morality and get back to family values?
       
      This course, though hated by the left ,this causes less loss of human life than liberal concepts of rights which cause the killing of babies.
       
      Control yourself and no loss of human life is necessary.
       
      Only in extenuating circumstances should abortion be allowed….so much easier to modify human behavior than to justify killing of babies.

  • Rose Palmer

    The president does not believe in God. This is our leader that we are supposed to follow & respect?  Having a complete lack of faith will bring him & all his followers to the fiery depths of hell.

  • Rose Palmer

    Saying The Lord’s Prayer is not teaching any type of religion. It is simply showing our children that there is a greater power to honor & respect. Our nation needs that  that now more than ever. With all the corruption, espcially in government & everywhere else, we need to believe there is salvation after all the chaos this administration has caused..

  • AWKingsley

    @SheilaAnn: The situation with Jeb Bush is even worse than most people know. A few years ago, I found that some of my neighbors in my apartment complex were a bit unsavory. They had been involved in the drug trade, and they knew some of the big guys involved in the drug trade, who told on the Bushes. Those people claimed that Jeb Bush was flying loads of marijuana into the ranch back in the 1970s, that he was one of the biggest wholesalers. While marijuana legalization is on the table, I do not believe in supporting a candidate for president who was a flagrant law breaker and who made his money in the drug trade.

    • grandmaliberty

      @AWKingsley and of course you took these unsavory characters word for it…. you looked at the evidence right…he said, she said , they said…. here in our town we call that gossip… and it can ruin a good persons’ life…….

      • RhondaReichel

        Grandmaliberty….google Bush Clinton Crime Family…..Bill Clinton was in on it with them
        They flew drugs into Arkansas and some whistleblowers told the tale.

    • RhondaReichel

      yep….they are making a fortune off drugs
      That’s why it will never be decriminalized

  • Oregon Ann

    Great article, but the expression should be “couldn’t give a hoot.”

  • RalphZ

    @RhondaReichel I don’t look on Marriage as a conference of grace.  It is a solemn joining of a man and a woman, as Christ defined it in Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9 and God started it in Genesis 2:23-24 KJB, there is no other definition of marriage that is acceptable to me.  If people don’t like it, they can just explain to God when they stand before Him in the final judgment, Hebrews9:27; Revelations 20:11-15 KJB.  No Church should be forced by the state to accommodate any perversion of this definition in conflict of their faith and teachings.  The state by doing this is acting as a tyrant and should be fought against.  Smile and have a good day.

    • daves

      @RalphZ  @RhondaReichel If the Bible defines marriage as one man and one woman, why did God give Saul’s wives to David?

      • Frank J Linane

        @daves  @RalphZ  @RhondaReichel daves you are mistaken God never gave Saul’s wives to David. Saul gave his daughter to David.   God never once condoned the extra wives for any Bible character.  How can you become one with more than one.  This was never God’s intention, but mans lust of the flesh.  For the Bible says man’s eyes are never satisfied.
        Moreover, God’s love for His creation is not merited on multiple wives or not, but belief in Him and how one treats others.  David for instance had so many heart brakes from having multiple wives and therefore many children who he could not give the time to either them or their mothers.

        • Brusckey

          @Frank J Linane  @daves  @RalphZ  @RhondaReichel Good response Frank.  Atheist trolls often blame God for the actions of men in the bible.

        • daves

          @Frank J Linane  @RalphZ  @RhondaReichel Samuel 12:8
           
          And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

        • RalphZ

          @daves  @Frank J Linane  @RhondaReichel I do believe you twist the meaning by taking the verse out of context.  David was being reprimanded for taking another man’s wife.  He was given the spoils of Saul which would include his wives. If the verse meant to show the rightness of many wives, then why was this warning given?  “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.” Deuteronomy 17:17 as is also noted in Nehemiah 13:27.  Jesus set man straight but man as always will never be satisfied when he gives into sin.  He will become more and more sinful and his lusts will not be satisfied with only one woman but many and then they will not be satisfied at all and will then lead to death.
           
          One man and One woman is still God’s standard and Jesus stated it. Man has always done his best to change God’s standard so he could get away with his sin.  Nice try but still, it does not  prove your point.  You see, David killed Uriah for Bathsheba, and again we are shown of the unending appetite of man for lust/sin. I’ve been studying the Bible on my own since 1967 and I’ll give this some more study.  But I’ll take what Jesus said and remember any preacher or deacon was to be the husband of only one wife. (1 Timothy 3:2 & 12 KJB). You could not be one if you divorced and married again unless it was because your wife committed sexual sins or died  Think about it..

        • daves

          @RalphZ  @Frank J Linane  @RhondaReichel There are many examples of bigamy in the Bible.
           
          Matthew 25
          25:1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
          25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
          25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
          25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
          25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’

        • Frank J Linane

          @daves  @RalphZ  @RhondaReichel 
           
          daves it is always good to  laugh,  and I am still doing do, thank you.  Either you are jesting or you have misinterpreted the scripture you gave as one of many examples of bigamy.  You have to always take the context into consideration.  You did the same in your last reference to II Samuel.
           
          The whole parable was drawing attention to being ready for the kingdom of heaven.   All the the attendants in the party that were single woman had better be virgins, that was their culture.  These women were not to be the bride as in intimacy but in spirituality.  The Church is called the bride of Christ. but the women of the paraplbl were not going to be married to the bridegroom.  They were part of the wedding party.  You know as well as I that when most men get married they are likely to know very few of the bridesmaids.  The door was shut, what did the Lord say when he answered the already closed door.? Truly, truly I do not know you.  Son how does the parable close?  “be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour”  What is the parable talking about?  Bigamy?  Would the bride groom really not know his future wives.  They were not ready or prepared, not for marriage, but for entering the kingdom of God.  Are you?

      • RhondaReichel

        Old testament polygamy….don’t forget the concubines.  I wondered about that myself but in the New Testament that changed.

        • daves

          @RhondaReichel See my post from Matthew above.

    • NavyJR

      @RalphZ  Marriage as a religious concept is much older than the Bible; it goes back into the pagan religions, and the Bible may record earlier, but wasn’t WRITTEN until Moses came along!  It’s always been related to the act of procreation and preservation of the species; and as such was taken on by civil institutions as a social structure on which to build.

    • RhondaReichel

      Ralph….gays  have their own churches.  But I agree they can’t call it marriage.

      • RalphZ

        @RhondaReichel I know that they have their own churches but they are not satisfied with that and want to force acceptance of their perversion onto others.  Otherwise why force a Church that rejects their immorality to allow their wedding to be accomplished at a structure that they owe?  If I remember correctly it was in New Jersey or New York and the land was immediately taxed when the Church was taken to court and lost their objection.  State forcing the Church.  Sounds like the state is one sided and it is sided with perversion.

  • daves

    When the government decides who and or cannot get married, it is large government. Everything the Tea Party is against.

  • daves

    When the government decides who can or cannot get married, it is large government. Everything the Tea Party is against.

    • Brusckey

      @daves Marriage is defined as between man and woman because that’s how children are made and that’s how children have a right to be raised.  Children have a natural right to their natural parents.  Any government that pretends to be able to uncreate or ignore or undefine that reality is a Totalitarian Nut Fest Guvmint.

  • KurtGrossman

    Why does God allow people to sin instead of imposing the death penalty immediately?  God instituted FREEDOM as the highest value: freedom to choose is essential in God’s definition of love.  Forced sex is rape.  God instituted governments to administer authority because people will do evil if left unchecked.  The USA government takes the majority of its foundational principles from the bible.  The Constitution has “Checks and Balances” because leaders will take more and more control to benefit themselves and their friends and family if the Checks don’t stop them.  What the Founders never imagined was that the “PEOPLE”: us, the majority of Americans would be so complacent and immoral that they would stand by decade after decade while employees (elected politicians) would violate their oaths of office and trample on the rules.  “We the people…” have failed miserably.  ONLY repentance, humility, action, and prayer may possibly bring a miracle from God now that the power has been confiscated by godless leaders.  It is not going to come easy and may NOT come at all but there is only 1 hope for our country and our children.  We either rededicate ourselves to be warriors faithful to Jesus Christ and committed to reinstate the Constitution or our children will all be slaves.

    • Eliza

      @KurtGrossman
       You make to good point that people sin.  That is the real problem with our world.  Jesus Christ came to save sinners, hallelujah!  We sin because we are born with a sinful nature.  We are born rebels.  We reject the truth out of hand.  We willingly believe the lie.  We would rather follow the devil than follow the glorious Saviour Jesus Christ!  In His infinite mercy God delivers us from our lost and desperate condition by drawing us through the Holy Spirit to believe the gospel and so be saved.  Jesus Christ came to draw all men to Himself; whoever believes on Him is saved.  Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.  As the truth is preached and taught from His glorious Word, the Bible, God works in the sinners heart to lead the repentant believer to salvation.  The greatest danger this country faces is the false teaching, lies, myth, and self promoting stories that are being preached from church pulpits other than the truth of God’s Word.  If believers in Christ Jesus will return to Him and hold fast to His Word God will bless.  Even so let us believe and obey the gospel, follow Christ Jesus and remain true to Him.

  • KurtGrossman

    Have you ever heard of “Pastor Wally”? Read this story sent by “Voice of the Martyrs” in their daily email.  You will see how the rest of the world lives without a strong Constitution and Bill of Rights based on the bible.  You can read of the fate that our children will soon experience unless we fight for THEIR RIGHTS guaranteed by OUR government.
    http://www.doctel.net/What_God_Will_Do_If_We_Pray.pdf

  • Russian55

    I hear far too much of the “No compromise” crowd.
    What they forget is that our democracy is BASED on compromise.  Without it, Independence would never have been declared.
    “No compromise” in 181 led us to a Civil War.  Is that what you want?

    • Frank J Linane

      @Russian55 Sometimes such as now on many issues not all there can be no compromise.  The repbulicans have come up with many ideas, the democrats are the ones who will not or do not  compromise nor do they want to.   Health care was forced on America. over 60% did not want this.  The democrats are running the Government on an ideology that will kill it, no less than a leech will suck the host dry.  How do you compromise with this?

      • VeteransAgainstMatco

        @Frank J Linane  @Russian55 Their can be NO COMPROMISE on certain issues. Issues which condone sin and promote the sinful nature of others should be condemned by our government but that is not the case. Instead the right tends to compromise as long as the left supports this special interest which promotes their newest agenda. Obamacare did finally pass through the Senate but how many new programs does the tax payer have to fund for the right to get the left’s agenda passed through and vise versa? What special interests are the tax payers fixing to pay for which do nothing for the people. Why are Americans forced to pay high FEMA flood insurance payments in areas across the country where there has never been a flood? Why was PMI insurance for houses created to protect those who lend money? Is this the reason a family with 800 credit scores and $30,000 down couldn’t refinance their home and have been forced to pay PMI insurance for the last 6 years because of it? Why does FEMA flood ins. need to cost $1500 a year on a $100,000 home? Why does our government need to make income off fuel? Don’t we already pay enough taxes on consumer goods? Don’t we pay State Income tax as well? I am SERIOUSLY tired of paying for politicians to buddy up to those who want use tax payer dollars to fund BLUE SKY programs. CHANGE is imminent! But I think change is going to be the extinction the AMERICAN citizen. A NEW America is taking shape and the freedom our forefathers fought for will be a remembrance of history. Slaves to those in power is where we are heading and I am sure if you can stand there and watch innocent people be slaughtered because they refuse to conform to new idea’s of those in power then you will fit right in and prosper quite well. Just remember, your soul only has a price if you are willing to sell it! No COMPROMISE FOR ME!!!

        • Russian55

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @Frank J Linane Then be prepared to lose.
          The overwhelming majority of the country doesn’t agree with you.  Most are NOT liberal, but likewise not conservative.
          So rather than getting some of what you want, you prefer to get nothing.  Good luck with that.

        • RhondaReichel

          Romney didn’t have anything I wanted….nothing
          The way I figure it we lose either way….so why vote in your own demise?

        • dolagibb

          @RhondaReichel
           That is one way that obama got reelected!! Love DG <><

        • Frank J Linane

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco  @Frank J Linane 
           
          Where do you get your stats?  If you are referring to this Nov.  election that is a terrible indicator.  The house still kept it ‘smajority, the republicans lost two seats, but gained 50 in 2010.  I’ll take that margin any time
          It depends what you mean by liberal and conservative, verses the ignorant and apathetic. 
          A little leaven spoils the whole barrel. Ex.  Obama’s words and they are already being pushed to fruition.  Single payer health care, a total government take over the health care industry. 
          When and if people wake up they will turn to commonsense, at least the majority.  You can not spend more than you take in, and individual freedoms do not come from the government.  The scariest scariest ten words ever spoken are (we are the government and we are here to help)
          The republicans house majority has presented many commonsense bills, along with a balanced budget, and a balanced budget amendment, but they were DOA as Reid likes to say before they even reached his desk.  If you can explain to me why the Democrat lead senate has broken the law, without penalty, for nearly four years, because they have not produced a budget, and then tell me one good reason they do not want a balanced budget amendment, then I will actually believe you that the democrats are working in good faith.  You can not and they do not want to compromise but to rule.  AKA Saul Alinsky, Richard Clowad, his wife Francis Piven,and Obama’s mentor Frank Marshall Davis is the ideology of the regressive left.

        • SheilaAnn

          @RhondaReichel How Stupid!!!!  Hope you like what you got and the new judges and the depression….and the nukes.

    • Arizonasicandtired

      @Russian55
       Democracy? it is a Repiublic…look it up and learn.

    • Arizonasicandtired

      @Russian55
       Firstly this is not a democracy it is a Republic. Try at least to get your facts straight before attempting to debate them.

    • God_Of_War

      @Russian55
      Compromise on some things is not possible. In these cases only a bullet can provide resolution. This is something the liberals don’t understand or think possible. Uncompromising positions are the root cause of war through history.
       
      History is full of examples where people do not compromise. Are the rights of a minority homosexual crowd worth a killin’ war? I don’t think so but the liberals don’t care. They will promote homosexuality without concern for the bigger picture. Some people will NEVER accept this.
       
      You think most people  will roll over and compromise on important social issues? Get this thru your head…., some will kill before compromising on what are critical social issues. I draw the line at teaching our children homosexuality is normal.
       
      I didn’t decide this….mother nature did.

  • AWKingsley

    Thank you for your contribution to morality!

  • AWKingsley

    @822: You are confusing freedom with Liberalism and sin. Freedom is a God given right, and is endorsed in Heaven, while sin isn’t. Otherwise, why free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt? The return of Jesus Christ or coming of the Messiah is not meant to restrict freedom: It renews man’s covenant with God and straightens out the mess we are in. Restricting freedom creates less Godliness, not more. Witness what restriction of freedom has done to our country via a Socialist State and the consequent degradation of morality. When tax payers have the freedom to refuse to pay for immorality and the consequences of vice and corruption, we will again live in a better kinder world.

    • Dennis822

      Not at all.Our idea of freedom now is in direct violation of YAHWEHs(GODs) will.Thats why we are in this mess.All these people think we are going to vote our way out of this crap.By picking this man or that.Which as a christian is pure idiocy.It is only through obedience to YAHWEH will we ever be truly free.A system under him is the only one that will work.Not MANS!!!! The system to come by YAHWEH will be nothing like we have ever seen and to think that it will be like it is now is just pure lunacy.Either you just arent getting it or this form of expression(computer) is losing what im trying to point out.The only freedom available to a true christian is following YAHWEHs perfect instructions(law) and abiding in all things of YAHWEH not man.

  • AWKingsley

    @TedRWeiland: Evangelical Christian Conservatives are ruining their chances at the polls by calling moral good Christian human beings out because they are not going to address all of your Social Issues in the manner in which you want them addressed. How far have you gotten in over 30 years of screaming about Social Issues? It is becoming my opinion that you do not even want Social Issues solved. Since we know that all of the Social Issues screaming arose to co-opt the national debate due to Communist infiltration of Christianity, many of us are no longer inclined to cooperate with your problems. You have co-opted the debate with Social Issues to the destruction of our economy and the slow demise of Christianity in our country. Moral people do not want to vote with a bunch of wackos who in over 30 years of Social Issues screaming have solved absolutely nothing – Zip! In fact, morality has further degraded under your watch. So wake up! We are no longer going to help you place another “flawed” RINO candidate in the Whitehouse, who will further degrade morality. Ron Paul, just as every Libertarian, will not allow the Federal Government to pay for any immorality, vice, or wages of sin, if he is voted President. Federal Government payments for immorality will be quietly eliminated along with other government programs. You are perpetuating the sins of immorality by refusing to quietly vote for a Libertarian candidate who will not allow the Federal Government to pay for immorality instead of screaming about it and trying to legislate against it. From an Evangelical Christian Libertarian-Republican, YOUR MOTIVES ARE NOW IN QUESTION.

  • RalphZ

    @Pakinpastor If you follow Christ and have repented of your sins and accepted him as your Saviour then you are a Christian as we were first called in Antioch, Acts 11:26 KJB, .  If you follow the Law and rely on them for grace or any of your salvation, then I must disagree with you. “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:20  Why was the law given?  so the world would shut it’s mouth in claiming innocence and they would stand before God guilty of sin. (Romans 3:19 KJB)
     
    We are justified by Grace not the law. (Titus 2:7; Romans 3:28 KJB) and Christ is the “end of the Law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.”  Romans 10:4.  You believe in God or that Jesus was a good man, the devils also believe but they tremble for they know their end.  Think about it.

  • NavyJR

    @LiveFreeOrDie: Todd Aiken wasn’t wrong; he simply didn’t state his position adequately, but even OB/GYNs came to his defense on his statement.  In order for a RAPE to cause a pregnancy, the woman would HAVE to have just ovulated; because otherwise her body WOULD delay the process; many forms of stress will interfere with the normal menstrual cycle; rape being a very DEFINITE stressor!  Any sperm would be flushed out harmlessly, unless she HAD an egg in transit AT THE TIME of the rape!  And that window of opportunity is VERY NARROW; so the likelihood of a rape causing pregnancy is VERY SMALL!  As a survivor of incestuous rapes I know the emotional trauma of rape DOESN’T need to be compounded by the emotional trauma, and the physical stress/trauma of an abortion!  Remember, that baby is also a victim, NOT the perpetrator of the crime!

  • NavyJR

    @ KurtGrossman:Did YOU know that not all our Founding Fathers were Christians?  Because they weren’t.  To believe in and follow our Constitution DOES require a level of morality and accountability; but NOT adherence to Christianity.  I’m not a Christian, and there are many others who aren’t; who are Deists,  Jews, Native religion practitioners, and yes, even Muslims, who DO adhere to and  fully believe and support our Constitution, without being Christians.  I took an oath to that Constitution over 40 years ago, which didn’t have an expiration date on it!  Ever hear of the Army’s 442nd unit during WWII?  It was the single most decorated unit in our military during that war, and it was made up largely of Buddhists and Shintos!  But you’d also have to toss out George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson, among others because neither was a Christian.  One was  a Unitarian, the other a Deist.

  • NavyJR

    @cajunPatriot: That is, in fact, what DOES happen to most.  My own Rep, Dr Paul Gosar, has managed to evade that for the most part, also; but there is an atmosphere, and peer pressure within the Beltway that “poisons” those who go in, for the most part.

  • ptefft

    Navy JR.  You are writing down information and posting it so others will read it and you don’t know what you are talking about.  You need to purchase or use your library and look up “The Presidents” by Funk&Wagnalls Special Edition.  Not only is there significant writings and historical evidence which declares that all of our Presidents confessed beliefs in the Christian Religion.  There are many writings from them that without a doubt describes their faith in the Judeo/Christian faith.  George W. and Thomas J. were open and very verbal about their belief in the Christian God, Jehovah.  Ever heard of the original name they called the 1776 Revolution?  It was called the Presbyterian Rebellion.  This nation clearing and unquestionably was founded on the beliefs of Christians.  It has since then been known to the world that America is a Christian nation.  Thats not disputed unless you are completely void of education.  There are many in our great nation like you that are trying their best to discredit the fact that we were at one time a true Christian nation.  Today we have a big big problem and that is that we are flirting with God to take away His blessings on this nation.  Through the lack of morality in our policies and our government, we stand a good chance of having God’s rath.  He quided our founding fathers because they were Christians, so I have to fervently disagree with your post.

    • grandmaliberty

      @ptefft I agree.. and I am somewhat stunned that our Ohio legislators have now decided not to bring up to a vote the heartbeat bill that stops abortion when a heartbeat is heard.. they all signed on as pro lifers and now after the election, they take this stance.. I guess they think we will forget before the next election… they are wrong….

    • NavyJR

      @ptefft I don’t know where Funk & Wagnalls got their information in this; I always thought the individual was the best source on what he believes or not; and I’ve read things in the HANDWRITING of the named individuals stating what I said with reference to their beliefs; Washington’s at Mt Vernon; and Jefferson’s at Monticello.  Now if that’s not good enough for you, I’m sorry; but I believe those men were fairly well acquainted with what they believed.  The JUDEO-CHRISTIAN deity; Jehovah/Yhwh, or whichever of His many names you wish to use, IS the God they spoke of , but they were NOT Christians and neither professed to be.  There were others who also professed Deism and Unitarianism among the Founding Fathers, although I don’t recall which on the list as I haven’t seen it in several years now, and didn’t see their own writings on the subject!  If their word isn’t good enough for you, I can’t help you.

  • Brusckey

    You’ve heard the line that “Abortion shouldn’t be allowed except where necessary to protect the life or health of the mother”.
     
    How about this: “Abortion shouldn’t be banned except where necessary to protect the life or health of the baby.”

  • Eliza

    If we have any hope of averting God’s wrath upon this country in the form of tryannical government, then those who profess to believe in Jesus Christ must turn away from following the leading of the world which is led by the devil.  We must in simple repentance and faith believe what the Scriptures tell us about this world and its history, ourselves, God, Jesus Christ, and what our greatest need is.  If you die as an unbeliever or an apostate, but have a country that you love, the state of your country won’t make any difference in where you spend eternity, you will still wind up in hell for eternity.  God has declared that there is none righteous, no not one.  There is none who understands, there is none who seeks God, they have together become corrupt.  He also declares that the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked.  Does that give you an idea of what we are all up against?  The bad news is that we are all sinners because of our sinful natures and we all justly deserve God’s wrath and not His favor.  We have all broken His laws and His ten commandments.  There is none righteous no not one.  Unless we come to grips with this fact then there is absolutely no hope of averting the wrath of God.  It is only when we see the seriousness of our individual sinfulness and the precariousness of our position before a Holy and vengeful God that we will truly repent, turn from our sin, and turn to the Saviour of mankind, the Man Christ Jesus who gave His life as a ransom for many.  Jesus Christ, God, the Son of God, took the punishment that we deserve, giving His life as a ransom for many.  He is the propitiation for our sins, taking our punishment and turning away the wrath of God.  He proved that He is the Messiah by rising from the dead, ascending into Heaven where He intercedes for His beloved believers, and will return to set up His kingdom on this earth, glory hallelujah!  The reason why the efforts of Christians to turn this country around have failed is because they have turned their backs on the truth and joined forces with those who do not know God, do not love His Son, Jesus Christ, and reject the truth of the Scriptures, the Holy Bible as handed down to us in the Received text.  We cannot align ourselves with the world and expect God’s blessings.  If believers would open their eyes to the apostasy and compromise within the church, reject it and turn away from the many perversions of God’s Word, then we would live lives of Holy Spirit inspired power that would impact those around us for good as we live holy lives pleasing to God and share the most wonderful news ever, the gospel of our salvation!  May Almighty God so bless us with His mercy, love, and forgiveness.

    • God_Of_War

      God created our world. The He sat back. God’s creation can be seen all around us. What is curious is the thought God has revealed Himself to only a few thru recorded human history. Why would he do that? God can be seen in all things around us so no one needs to believe the lies invented by two men….a Mohammad or a Jew Jesus.
       
      God has revealed Himself to ALL thru His creation.

      • Eliza

        @God_Of_War
         You are correct that God has revealed Himself in nature, but the problem is we cannot know Him based upon that revelation.  We can see that He is Almighty, that He is greater than the creation, that He judges us, and that He blesses us.  We can know about Him, but we can’t know Him initmately.  Mohammed didn’t reveal God, he declared information about a god.  What he had to say has nothing to do with who God really is.  Jesus, who fulfilled the biblical prophecies regarding Himself, see Psalm 22 for a good example, completely fulfilled all of the righteous requirements of the law that God has commanded to be kept.  He also revealed Who God the Father actually is.  He told Phillip, If you have seen me you have seen the Father.  We cannot come to know God because we by nature reject Him and despise Him.  We refuse to keep His commandments.  We set up our own systems of religion to declare ourselves righteous.  We despise the gift of His Son Jesus Christ Who alone can save us from the just judgement of God due us because of our rebellion against Him.  If you would come to know God the creator He has given you the Way, and that is through His Son Jesus Christ.  Repentance and turning from sin, and belief and confession of His Son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour will give you the blessed priviledge of knowing God as your Father and Jesus Christ the lover of your soul.  Believing the gospel which states that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures and trusting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour your sins will then be forgiven and you will receive eternal life so that you won’t be judged for eternity in hell because of your sin.  That is the blessed hope that believers cling to and we also look forward to the return of our Saviour, because just as He came to Earth the first time for salvation, He will come to Earth the second time to judge the world and set up His kingdom here on Earth.  Even so come Lord Jesus!

    • Dennis822

      Amen!!

  • NavyJR

    @Medic2: You’re right; working at the state or even your local city/county level is far more effective than trying to work at the national level; mostly they just marginalize and trivialize us as “old white men” who need to get out of the way of “progress”, which in this case would be more of an “advance to the rear”, if you ask me.  But keep telling folks to work at the local and state levels.  States DO still have some sovereignty; and a bunch of them have shown that by refusing to set up the Obamacare exchanges.  Gov. Brewer announced we’re on one of them, just today!  She’d been dragging her heels, as had others, saying there wasn’t enough information.  Today she announced that the information was still inadequate but she could see the costs were too great for the state to sustain, so AZ won’t be doing so.

    • Medic2

      @NavyJR Missouri did it too. We passed it by a vote of the people, then we passed just this year another provision stating that the Governor couldnt enact an Obamacare type program at the state level either. I have to say Im pretty well pleased with our current state legislature. Its the only thing we have here keeping the liberal cities at bay.

      • Medic2

        @NavyJR Oh and i have to say, your governor has some that clank when she walks lol. I was rooting for her when she was standing up to the Feds on immigration. I dont know alot about her, but i liked what i saw there.

  • NavyJR

    @DebraJMSmith: So are you saying we should abandon our principles and beliefs, our morals and ethics, just to “win”?  How is that “winning”, if you throw away who you are?  That’s what Libs do!  And if you take a look around, you’ll see people who can ‘t think for themselves; can only parrot the party lines, and scream epithets at others when the talking points fail.  Sorry, I don’t believe that’s an acceptable way.  It’s certainly not one our Founding Fathers would have accepted or approved!    What we NEED to do is “re-educate” people, while working at the local and state levels to keep things as we want them or change them to what we want!

  • God_Of_War

    The racism of minorities is enabled by the media. The thought is this will equalize things. In fact, it gives the minorities power. The minorities will not change their anti-white attitudes while the whites will lose power. Unless interbreeding takes over, there will be a killin’ war.

    • RobertAlexander

      @God_Of_War
      O God, the proud are risen against me, and the assemblies of violent men have sought after my soul; and have not set thee before them. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers. For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken. A divine sentence is in the lips of the king: his mouth transgresseth not in judgment. And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable. The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him…But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob. Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end. Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

  • NavyJR

    @Russian55: Far as I’m concerned you are free to do pretty much anything so long as you don’t infringe on my rights, or those of others.  That’s what liberty is; but too many in this nation are SCARED of that!  So because they’re afraid of it, no one else can have it either.  Then there’s that thing called accountability; positively gives them the SHUDDERS!  But it’s an integral part of liberty too.

    • God_Of_War

      @NavyJR
       Scared of liberty? Get a clue. We’re scared of liberals imposing their version liberty on us. I want to escape their sense of liberty but I can’t. For example, liberals have made laws to force teaching of homosexuality acceptance in our schools. I will NEVER accept this. Liberals give me no way to escape this morality. This law is a one size fits all proposition. I refuse to accept it. If liberals force me to accept it I will pick up a gun and start killing.
       
      Do you now understand why so many are opposed to liberalism? If you want to avoid a fight you need to separate those who believe in one way from those who believe in another. Only problem is liberals create law which affects all and I’m supposed to accept this law and roll over as they say. I WILL NOT ROLL OVER AND IF YOU IMPOSE YOUR WILL ON ME I WILL PICK UP A GUN!

      • NavyJR

        @God_Of_War Apparently you have a slight reading comprehension problem; as it was the LIBERALS to whom I was referring as those who ARE scared of liberty and accountability!

    • Eliza

      @NavyJR
       The framers of our Constitution believed in liberty not licence.  We have become a nation bent on moral perversion, murder, lies, greed, adultery, lust, envy and all manner of evil.  These wicked pursuits rob us of understanding, wisdom, love and righteousness.  We are headed down the path of destruction and only a genuine move of God Almighty will deliver us from that path.  Everyone needs to repent of their evil ways, turn from their sin, confess their evil to God and look to His Son Jesus Christ and believe in the Gospel for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.  Spend time in the NKJV or KJV learning the truth.  God has used His Word more than one time in history to bring about a great revival.  May God grant His mercy, grace and love to us.

      • Medic2

        @NavyJR You are correct, however you cannot push that on people through federal law. You have to do it through the church and even then some are not going to do it. What we can do government wise is try and get people elected who do belive in Gods law and who will vote with the Constitution of this nation. IF we can do that, without trying to legislate our beliefs alot of things taking this country down will fix themselves. Churches have to work harder to bring people to Christ, the government just needs to stop endorsing perversion and allow them the freedom to do it.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Medic2@NavyJR
          Proverbs 29:
          2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
           
          POLITICS is religion in action… we have rejected God and reaping the sown seeds of our transgressions.

        • NavyJR

          @Medic2 Actually, if we just focus on the Constitution insofar as GOVERNMENT is concerned; and adhering to that, and the established laws, THAT would be a major accomplishment in the right direction!  We can’t legislate morality, but we CAN legislate BEHAVIOR, to an extent.  It’s up to religious institutions of all faiths to press for the morality of issues, and the families, NOT the government.  Not all true and strong patriots are Christians, nor do they need to be; but they do need to be Godly people, with strong ethics and morals, as our Founding Fathers were.

        • RobertAlexander

          @NavyJR@Medic2
          James 4:
          8 Draw nigh to יהוה (YAH,) and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

    • RobertAlexander

      @NavyJR Responsibility….. their Greed & lust
       
      Proverbs 29:
      2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
       
      Righteous are thou O Yahweh… whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God.
       
      Childred of the devil live all abounding and attempting to confound the Children of God, making themselves a god unto their damnation because they love not the truth.

  • AWKingsley

    @grandmaliberty: First, you need to look at why anyone would make a false claim like that regarding a president, past president, or his family. It had nothing to do with any political discussion. Because those allegations have bothered me for years, I was open to learning more about the Bush family criminal ties. Just today, I found Skolnick’s expose. It always seemed to me that the Bushes came up with too much unexplained money: They always seemed to be too cash rich. (I was involved in finance, so I notice those things.)
     
    http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2012/10/satanic-crime-a-threat-in-the-new-millennium-part-3-of-3-2440144.html

    • RhondaReichel

      @AWKingsley  makes you look at fast & furious in a whole different light.  I knew about the drug running and the pedophilia but this is really sick.

  • deebar

    I’m so sick of all this crap of right/left . That’s not the problem , the citizens are the problem !

    • Eliza

      @deebar
       You are so right and the main problem is that so-called Christians have rejected the God of the Scriptures and made for themselves a god of their own liking.  They love heretics and apostasy.  They despise biblical doctrine.  Only when Christians repent and turn from their wickedness and return to the God of the Scriptures and His Holy Son, Jesus Christ, will we move in the right direction.  Understand that all of the ministries that are so approved by man, Billy Graham, Luis Palau, Focus on the Family, the Navigators, etc. reject the truth of the Scriptures and reject the uniqueness of the gospel message and God’s Son Jesus Christ.  But so many are woefully ignorant and enjoy the Christian clique that they are part of.  They like the “social” aspects of Christianity, but not the truth.  May God in His mercy, grace and love bring us back to Himself for His glory and our good.

      • Darrell C

        Pharisaical: marked by hypocritical censorious self-righteousness

  • Eliza

    They didn’t fight so that we could be a depraved and evil nation.  They fought so that we could be free from the tyranny of an over intrusive government.  They fought so that we could live in peace and pursue happiness.  They would never support the direction that our country has taken!  But, casting that argument aside, an evil and depraved nation can never be great and prosperous, because pursuing wickedness deprives men, women and children of clarity of thought, wisdom and knowledge.  It leads them on a path to destruction.  Don’t think that a nation can murder 1.2 million of its citizens, endorse perversion, and support fiction and lies, and be a wholesome and happy nation.  A nation set on such a course is bound for destruction.  It is only a matter of time.  Repent of your sin, turn from your evil ways, turn to God through faith in Jesus Christ and belief in gospel while you can!

  • AWKingsley

    @LeeL: I’m so sorry to have to tell you this, but members of the Tea Party did this to themselves. I watched for the Tea Party Leader and Tea Party Favorite endorsements beginning with Iowa, and I was shocked. The Tea Party did pull the election, but for Romney. Tea Party leaders unilaterally refused to endorse Ron Paul, even though if they had followed their mission statement, the only candidate they could possibly have elected would have been Ron Paul. I  begged Dallas Tea Party leaders to endorse Ron Paul, even to try to swing Texas to Ron Paul, in order to move the Republican platform further to the Right, but to no avail. Tea Party endorsements win the Republican nomination.

    • LeeL

      @AWKingsley
      You must know Ron Paul is a staunch right wing Libertarian. Many of his beliefs are the same but he is not a Tea Party conservative and as you found out in Texas he could not get their endorsements. Other primary candidates like Michell Bachman were active Tea Party conservatives but like Ron Paul she did not have the national organization or the establishment support needed to win the nomination. That was my point. After a bitter and devisive primary Romney was the only surviving Republican with a chance of defeating Obama and the establishment didn’t want and of course didn’t get the Tea Party or Libertarian endorsements or support needed to win. The loss lies with an intransigent Republican establishment. Not the Tea Party.

      • AWKingsley

        @LeeL When you say Tea Party Conservative, it might imply that Ron Paul isn’t Conservative, but in fact he is the most Conservative. In a rating from Right to Left of the major candidates, Ron Paul is Far Right, then Gingrich, next Santorum, and finally Romney on the Far Left of the Republican lineup. The Tea Party, contrary to their mission statement, endorsed much farther left from the beginning, which is my complaint. Social Conservatives always want to believe that they are the most Conservative on the spectrum, but they betray themselves when one looks at character and life-style, even on the Social aspect of Conservatism. To be on the Far Right, one must also be a Fiscal and Economic Conservative, which in the end will solve all of the Social Issues, simply by refusing to extract taxes by theft to pay for immorality.

        • AWKingsley

          @LeeL I made an embarrassing mistake: I should have said, “Socially Conservative CANDIDATES always want to believe that they are the most Conservative on the spectrum, but they betray themselves when one looks at character and life-style, even just on the Social aspect of Conservatism.” I am not besmirching the Evangelical Christians, of which I am one.

    • Rose Palmer

      If that was true, Romney would be our president & I would be sitting on a cloud. This administration is so full of BS & now 4 more years of it???

    • Rose Palmer

      Sorry, Ron Paul is a a very nice man but definitely not presidential material.

      • Medic2

        @Rose Palmer I would ask you to explain to me why he isnt presidential material. I happen to think he was the right man for the job, and i will continue to look for candidates like him to support. If you believe that voting with the Constitution 100% of the time isnt presidential, then please step back and evaluate your beliefs.
         
        Im not saying any  of this to pick a fight with you or demean you, I just dont want anymore RINOS like Jeb Bush or Romney thrown at us and passed off as a conservative, liberty candidates. I really want people to think about it.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Medic2@Rose Palmer
          Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
           
          According to GOD our Creator – he fails like every dirty bird in office today for I know not one righteous one at all.

  • Dennis822

    I would suggest anyone who calls themselves christian to look up the word rhadamanthine.That is what we are sorely missing in this world.You cannot compromise on GODs(YAHWEHs) word.We have turned a blind eye to every perversion known.I got news for you.Compromising or tolerating anything contrary to GODs(YAHWEHs) word is unrighteoness,period end of story.Thats why we are in the mess we are in.Pick a subject and ill guaruntee that what we have accepted,tolerated or allowed in our society today is in exact opposition to and contrary to what GOD(YAHWEH) has said.

  • LoranCarlson

    Dennis822,  Your argument would have weight if Gods Kingdom already existed here on earth.  It does not at the present.  Because we here are ruled by man at present, we need laws instituted by man.  What did Jeseus say about “rendering unto Caesar”.   Did not God give Moses the “Ten Commandments” to live by?  So why do you denigrate our Constitution as a cause and effect that flies in the face of God.?  He allows all things.  He wants to see all people to turn back to him and is giving ample time for this to happen.  Finally, almost all of our laws are taken straight out of the Bible including those in our Constitution.  That and the Magna Carta.

    • Dennis822

      YAHWEH(GOD) has, i believe 759 laws total.Thats including his commandments,judgements and statutes.To mans 40,000 news laws every year put on the books give or take.So you tell me.GODs way or mans way.To think we should rely on mans ways because somehow you think GODs kingdom isnt here is insane and why we are in the mess we are in.Its your way of thinking and most christians is why we have this mess.Man will never fix man.Only YAHWEH(GOD) can and will do this.

      • LoranCarlson

        @Dennis822  You are correct that man cannot fix the problems which is what I was getting at.  Now, your nastiness and arrogance border on hypocrisy.  You are a contentious fool who will not win the arguments you should.  Do you really think you are walking in Gods footsteps?  Quit turning people off and just go away.

        • Dennis822

          I am neither nasty nor arrogant.The only hypocrit i think you might find is the one staring back from a mirror.The truth shouldnt turn anyone off as  you put it.Its simply that.Id suggest if you dont like what im typing then dont read it and maybe you should take your own advice and simply go away.

        • LoranCarlson

          @Dennis822  You just made my point.

  • RalphZ

    @DennyB I do believe those Christians that did vote for the usurper in the White House will have to answer to God.  As I’ve said in the past, our, all Christians, works will be tried by fire at the judgment (1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJB), not for our salvation but for rewards.  I also believe we will have to give that accounting to Christ in person, (Matthew 12:36-37 KJB).  Have fun.  I have to get to work.  Today is my Monday, Ugh!.  I wish I could spend all day praying and studying but I do believe this is better.  I’d get uppity most likely if I had that much wealth and time.  Oh well.  Time to have fun.  Smile, It’ll make the day better.

  • Eliza

    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12)

    • Eliza

      We are in the great falling away and the idolatry given to Obama is a presage of the worship of the Antichrist. We are in a time of rescue and recovery. Rescue the lost from damnation and recover the converted from deception. Our strength and resilience will come from our trust in the Savior, Jesus Christ, and our heavenly Father, God Almighty, our utter dependence upon the indwelling Holy Spirit and our adherence to the Word of God, The Bible from the Received Text.
      The LORD is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness. And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure.
      (Isaiah 33:5-6)
      Going forth as the beloved of the Lord let us cast aside all the works of darkness and sin and receive with meekness the implanted Word which is able to save our souls. Let us do what our beloved Savior did and share the Glorious Gospel of His Salvation with the lost and encourage our fellow brethern to remain faithful to the Lord God Almighty and turn away from the world with its deceptions and lies and hold fast to the truth. I love what 2 Thess says about receiving the love of the truth so as to be saved. Let us receive that most precious gift from God our Father and contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints against all opponents and from every quarter. Realize that the lie is emanating from the church which has capitulated to the devil and embraced all manner of false and strange doctrine. Those bodies of believers who are vigilant and on their guard against the devil who goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he many devour are few and far between, but God enables them to stand true to Him by His glorious grace, mercy and love and the supply of the Holy Spirit. May we perservere by the grace that God has granted us through His glorious Son Jesus Christ, the gift of the Holy Spirit and the bread of the Word of God. God bless you through His Son Jesus Christ.

      • God_Of_War

        At the council of Nacea, 300 men gathered up all the books of the jews and then voted on which was the work of god. The jewish invented god. Christianity was born from this and if you rejected these books you were killed. Thus Christianity was born. Notice there are many passages in the books which proclaim harm to anyone who speaks ill of jews. Only a jew could have written such a thing. The real God has revealed Himself to all thru his creation. He has no need to reveal himself to only a few men thru recorded human history, as both islam and Christianity teaches. Only a false god, invented by man has need of selective revelation.

        • RobertAlexander

          @God_Of_War those tiny brains of your are in the way of your comprehension of reality. God learn the bible and it’s underlying stories, principles, laws, secondary teachings & as many dark sayings as you can find.
           
          But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.

        • RalphZ

          @God_Of_War The Council did not set the books of the Bible.  They were already agreed upon since the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos set it.  Jesus is a real person and his resurrection is attested to not only by his Disciples but also by his enemies.  There is enough evidence to go to a court of law to prove it.  Just because you don’t like the idea of being held accountable by God and want to live the life you want anyway you want, don’t spread lies of deceit for that is dishonorable and shows low ethics as well as moral values.  Have a good day.

        • Eliza

          @God_Of_War
           Obviously you have never read the Bible.  If the Old Testament were the invention of the Jews then maybe they would have presented themselves in a more favorable light!  Their apostatsy and evil is recorded in the OT for all to see.  Additionally, if Holy God of the Scriptures were a human invention, then He would be more understanding and less demanding.  He would be more tyrannical and less merciful.  These were the attributes of the false gods that have been worshipped by man since after the Fall in the Garden of Eden.  The fact that there are numerous prophecies fulfilled in minute detail also causes you serious problems.  One prophesy was given by Isaiah about 150 yrs before the person of Cyrus came on the scene. Yet in Isaiah 45 King Cyrus is called by name, given the title king and told that he would send the Jewish captives from Babylonia back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple.  Another example of prophecy fulfilled in minute detail is the prophecy about the crucifixion of Christ written by King David in Psalm 22.  These two examples happened exactly as foretold, and they are just two of many.   Another problem you have to deal with is the amazing and supernatural consistency of the Holy Scriptures though they have numerous authors from various nations and walks of life over a vast number of years.  Let’s see you make that happen!  One other problem you have is that since the Holy Bible is the living Word of the Living God it is a supernatural book and speaks to us in ways that no other book can and it declares things that no one else can.  The Bible is the truth and if taken to heart has the capacity to change the human heart, by the Power of God in a way that no other writing can.  Believing what is written there in brings the lost sinner from darkness, wrath, and damnation to light, forgivenss and eternal life.  Those who believe what it says have their sins forgiven and are children of God rather than children of the devil.  Under the guidance and the Holy influence of the Holy Spirit, those who read the Bible and believe what it says about sin and the Savior are brought to repent, turn from their sin, and put their faith and trust in the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ, who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe.  So the invitation is even open to you.  May God give you a love for the truth so that you can be saved.

  • Rose Palmer

    Most in government are liars, they promise anything to anyone to get elected. Once there, they simply forget about everything but themselves & look forward to a life long salary for doing the same. I stopped believing the day the present administration took over.

  • Rose Palmer

    I agree w/ most of what you say. However, there may be a time in some women’s lives that abortion is the only answer. I hate the thought of it but refuse to judge why any woman chooses this. None of us know what the reason, the complications nor the person. Let us leave that decision where it belongs, up to God.

    • Russian55

      @Rose Palmer A friend of mine who is an Episcopal priest once told me that when such a dilemma appears to him, he prays about it.  “If the Word of God is written on the hearts of men, the answer can be found,” he said.  “But be careful, for the answer is only for that instance, not for all.”

    • Eliza

      @Rose Palmer
       God is not involved in the sinful decision to end an unborn baby’s life,other than He will judge such an individual.  Linking God and abortion together is wickedness.  He Who created life and said “thou shalt not murder”, will in no way be involved in that evil decision.  Why bandy about the name of God when talking about a woman killing her unborn baby other than to confuse and lead others astray, making some ignorant souls think that God will wink at sin.  He will hold all accountable.  Your refusal to call evil evil in no way makes you magnanimous or charitable, it just reveals that you are deceived and completely confused about Who God is and what He demands of us, and that you have refused to believe the testimony from the Scriptures that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are desperately wicked.  Abortion is the willful murder of an innocent human being and should be outlawed!  If a woman’s life is genuinely in danger, meaning she will die if she continues the pregnancy, then she should have the choice, but only then.  Promiscuous women use abortion as an after the fact method of birth control, if you don’t know that you are woefully naive.  Adoption is a merciful means of taking care of an unwanted pregnancy.  How kind, loving and magnanimous is that decision!  God talk to justify evil makes me ill and I hope for you that He will open your eyes to who He is, the holy and vengeful God, and who you are, a lost sinner.  I hope that He leads you to repent from your sin and draws you to faith in His Son Jesus Christ and belief in the gospel, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.  I look forward to His soon return for me and for all those who have loved His appearing.

      • RhondaReichel

        I wonder how many women have been pressured into abortions by spouse or boyfriend or family or poverty— later to face incredible guilt and wonder what her child would have been like today if she hadn’t made that choice.  That’s also a tragedy.  Making it legal only makes that scenario more likely.   There are really 2 victims in an abortion…the mother also….and I’m sure some of the fathers too.  It’s very sad when you stop and think about it.  Maybe that’s why people are turning away from God now, because they feel guilty.   We all need to start praying for the mother’s to have strength to say no to abortions.  
        It really isn’t our place to judge them either— but rather encourage them to do the right thing and be supportive not negative.  If they know that you will judge them they will sneak off and have an abortion without telling you so you won’t get that chance to talk them out of it.

    • RobertAlexander

      @Rose Palmer RARELY EVER. BUt some killing is justified & righteous  in Gods eyes.

  • Rose Palmer

    Jeb Bush is a good, decent man. I wish he had run for the presidency, he would have won hands down. I am so sick & tired of all the phony politicians running our nation today & for the past 8 years. This is change & hope? Give me a break.

    • AWKingsley

      @Rose Palmer : I entered a comment earlier about having someone tell me a number of years ago that Jeb was flying loads of marijuana into the ranch. As someone who was involved in finance, I couldn’t understand where the Bushes got so much cash. I am referring you to a URL that explains where all of that money came from. Some of us have become very concerned about candidates who loudly proclaim their Christianity to cover flaws. That would seem to be indicated in the Bush’s case
       
      http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2012/10/satanic-crime-a-threat-in-the-new-millennium-part-3-of-3-2440144.html

      • Darrell C

        @AWKingsley  You believe everything you read on the Internet?  If so, I can direct you to web sites that talk about OTHER nonsense like, the moon is made of cheese, the world is flat, and we all evolved from slime on crystals that was hit by lightning or other folderol.

        • RhondaReichel

          Not everything—-
          but it stands to reason that Poppy had the CIA connections, his coke head son wanted amnesty for illegals and the border has been kept wide open since Reagan….it sure would make things a lot easier for them if they could get their connections in the country.  There was a big scandal of child sex ring in the whitehouse when Poppy was there.  It’s common knowledge they are in the drug business and at least Poppy is a pedophile. 
          Look at the big scandal breaking about the BBC and that goes all the way up to Prince Charles as he was tight with the perpetrator. 
           
          I can remember a time when if Mexicans came here they would HIDE….I used to run across them in the brush on my aunt’s ranch when I was a teenager riding my horse.  You never saw them out where they could be discovered….it was all on the downlow.   Now they are standing around on the corners of Home Depots & applying for welfare.  Things have changed drastically.
           
          There’s a photo on the web of a CIA plane that crashed with 4000 #s of cocaine…..now how did that happen? 
           
          Of course it’s a lot easier to discount these things for the sake of peace of mind but doesn’t it nag at your subconscience?
           
          2+2=4  Use your logic

    • RhondaReichel

      Jeb is not a good or decent man.  None of those Bushs are

  • AWKingsley

    For some, it was the reverse: Ron Paul was the only candidate who was presidential material. Many of us believed that Ron Paul could outperform Romney in the general election because his “freedom” message attracted crossover voters, but unfortunately the Tea Party did not stand behind Ron Paul, even though he was the only candidate who actually fit their platform. What is important in winning against Democrats is to provide a contrasting message (a message that really resonates), contrasting character, and a lot of substance.

    • Medic2

      @AWKingsley You are 100% correct.

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @AWKingsley I would never vote for Ron Paul as a Conservative Christian with a belief in the Tea Party because Ron Paul would not support Israel.  Whether Israel is right or wrong about wars they get involved in or foreign policy they approve or disapprove, they are Gods chosen people and God states in the bible that anyone who lifts up Israel that he will have favor with. Ron Paul may have it right about our government and what our government is doing and the things that need to be changed but when it comes to God and the bible Ron Paul does not strike me as a man of faith. Some, a lot, of his followers do not strike me as men of faith. Where is the American candidate that has Ron Paul’s insight but a passion for Christ?

      • VeteransAgainstMatco

        @AWKingsley Does anyone not realize what has made America such a great NATION? Take a LONG look at why we are failing today! No God in government. President’s can lust after a single woman or accept the favor of a single woman and our politician’s do nothing! He can lie about his past and make light of previous experiences and our government does nothing. President’s can orchestrate the largest crime against the American people to push their agenda and war contractors and our government officials do nothing. Well, God is watching and those with hearts of sin will answer to God. I don’t have to judge but I know the difference between the truth and a lie and I am sick and tired of a government who is supposed to serve the people controlling the people so they can grow their wealth and power.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @AWKingsley WE are no longer “One Nation under God” but “One Nation controlled by the lust of men.”

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @AWKingsley Keep on ranting about parties and debating on which party should step up. All your doing is separating the power our forefathers and handing more control to the powers that be. America needs to forget about parties and rise up against corruption and greed. Become “One Nation Under God.” once again. This land is no longer our land. It belongs to a cult who thinks their rewards on earth will out weigh their rewards in heaven. Until Americans hold our government accountable for their crimes against the people of  this nation America is DOOMED to fail.

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley Not truly been Christian as when the original colonial days thru late 1600’s early 1700’s

      • RhondaReichel

        Support Israel?  Don’t you understand we are the largest debtor nation approaching 17 trillion deficit.
        Israel is a creditor nation….if they need money let THEM borrow it.
        I hate it when people have more loyalty to Israel than they do their own country
        I think you should sit down and write Israel a big fat PERSONAL CHECK and stop forcing our BROKE GOVT. to give them money we don’t have.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RhondaReichel Rhonda! Seriously! Israel has no bloodline! Are you serious! Like we as Americans have a blood line! Are you telling me to support another nation who is God’s chosen people it comes down to blood line? I suppose you think that Hitler didn’t go far enough because he did not exterminate ALL the Jewish people?
           
          I served my country! United States of America! Rhonda, do not accuse me of having more loyalty to this country than Israel. I support BOTH and the person we elect president should support BOTH!
           
          Israel does not want our financial support! They want our Ally support and if you have not noticed Rhonda, without the support of the U.S. Jesus would have been here a long time ago. When the U.S. fails to support or betrays Israel Jesus (God) will not be very far away.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RhondaReichel Why Rhonda? Why are we so far in debt? Maybe you need to do some internet research and educate yourself on why we are in debt. Could it be the HAARP government program? Could it be the underground cities our government is building all over the US. Have you felt any trimmers lately you thought might be underground explosion? I have! I live in Arkansas and feel ground trimmers probably 3 or 4 times a week or more. Where is it coming from? Maybe you need to research Ozark, Missouri and find out who and what built a 17,000 sq. ft mansion in a town of 400+ citizens. Then find out why the locals are a little freaked out about the caves that are being blocked off and the rumors of city underneath the hills where the mansion is located. You ever watch 2012 Rhonda?

        • RhondaReichel

          You are getting confused with the chosen people of the bible, with the spiritual Israel (believers in Christ, and the nation of Israel today.  The New Covenant changed the deal….in order to get into heaven Christ is the only door.  His believers are the SPIRITUAL Israel….the chosen.  Not all those turkish mongel, european Christ deniers

        • RhondaReichel

          Yes I know that….Jesse Ventura had a good special recently about the underground cities in the Ozarks.

        • RhondaReichel

          I want Jesus to come soon….stop delaying him !

        • RobertAlexander

          @RhondaReichel Replacement dogma for the Israel of Scripture is UN-Holy, there is NO Spiritual replacement… if there was, the God of the Bible is satan himself – a liar from the beginning.
           
          Go study the term Jew & Gentile out in scripture, it’s NOT what judeo-Christians claim, but then again, they’ve already leavened the bread of truth in support of a lie so how could they see the truth unless there is a part of them that loves truth beyond measure.
           
          Isaiah 59:
          20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith יהוה (YAH.)
           
          Galatians 3:
          7 Notice therefore that those who possess faith are true sons of Abraham.
           
          Deuteronomy 33:
          4 Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.
           
          Romans 9:
          4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

        • NavyJR

          @VeteransAgainstMatco Projects like HAARP are part of the out-of-control spending, and there are underground refuges.  BUT its also possible that what you’re feeling in the form of ground tremors may well be related to the New Madrid fault in MO, which is believed to be overdue for a  major quake, worse than the one in the 19th century there,not even counting the increased development f the region since the last one.

        • SheilaAnn

          @RhondaReichel No your would rather we give money to Egypt and Pakistan and Iran, right? God says we are to bless Israel..Whenever we do not follow through on that, bad things happen in this country…Acts of God…

        • SheilaAnn

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @RhondaReichel You have just cursed yourself…Sad.

        • SheilaAnn

          @RhondaReichel Oh no. God loves all the Jews. Alas some he will have to judge…We are to love the Jews…The devil is the Jew hater and killer. Jesus is a Jew…His mother was Jewish and the title comes through the mother…

        • RobertAlexander

          @RhondaReichel there’s NO spiritualizing Israel – re-read all you think you know.

        • RobertAlexander

          @SheilaAnn  @RhondaReichel satans lie from hell – and BUNCHES of Gospel of the word of God to back it up. TOO bad you can’t, then you may have a point and god would be satan…. he is in their hearts & they ARE defined in scriptures as an antiChrist – print that in your heart of you love truth.

        • RhondaReichel

          Apostle Paul points out there is the SPIRITUAL Israel and the nation Israel….what you are asserting is a mistranslation of the bible.  Here is the explanation complete with verses.  ZIONISM IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.
           
          http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Zionism/zionism.htm
           
          Zionism is based on a total misunderstanding of what the Bible teaches. It is true that God gave Palestine to Hebrews in ancient times. But the Bible teaches that their possession of the land was under a conditional covenant with Jehovah. If the Hebrews disobeyed their God, they would lose the land. This is clearly taught in Genesis 17:9-14, Exodus 19:4-5, Leviticus 26:40-45, Deuteronomy 7:12, Joshua 23:15-16, 1 Kings 9:6-9, 2 Chronicles 7:19-22, Jeremiah 34:12-22, Ezekiel 33:23-29, Matthew 21:43, etc.
          When the Jews rejected their Messiah, God sent the Romans to dispossess the Jews from their land in 70 AD. This was God’s complete punishment on the Jews for crucifying Christ – therefore, the Jews today should not be persecuted for something that happened 2000 years ago. However, their former title deed on the land of Palestine is not abrogated.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RobertAlexander  @SheilaAnn  @RhondaReichel You seem like a very educated follower of something. I just have not figured out what it is yet. My faith is in God and the relationship I have with him. God sent his son (Jesus) to die for me and anyone else who has faith in him. The bible has truth, history and prophecy on it’s side and those who receive it will have God’s favor. Those who reject it and live their lives for themselves and what they can obtain instead of living it for God and serving others as light unto God will know God’s will in the end.

        • RhondaReichel

          @RobertAlexander When Jesus came the old covenant was broken….Christ is the new covenant we are living under now
           
          See if this explains it to you better than I can
          http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/currentarticlep15.htm

        • RhondaReichel

          SheilaAnn Jesus was a Judean.  The word Jew is just a derivative of Judean but the religion is not what Jesus taught.  In fact Talmudic Jews hate Christ.
          http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/currentarticlep15.htm

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @SheilaAnn  @RhondaReichel Read the Blessed Holy Scriptures who speak of Yah and Jesus the Christ.
           
          You seem like satan in digital clothing.

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @SheilaAnn  @RhondaReichel TRUTH.
           
          Love it and you will be lead to all understanding… PINK is cool, but not the end for all.
           
          God did not send Jesus for what you think – go study truth and discover reality.
           
          HINT: Laws, Statutes, Judgments… if they speak not of these the light is not within them,

      • RhondaReichel

        That is total baloney….The Israelis of today have NO Hebrew bloodlines…only a very few of them about 10 % are.  They aren’t the Israel of the Bible
         
        Most Jews Are Not Semites – rense.comA short comment to the article below, reprinted from the Moslem (I presume) World View News Service [wvns]: In a book “Last sigh of Moor” published in …rense.com/general66/mostjewsarenot.htm – Cached WHO ARE THE MODERN JEWS? – Second Coming of ChristQuoting from editions of the Jewish Encyclopedia, this author demonstrates some 95% of modern Jews are in fact non-Semitic Gentiles.www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm

      • RhondaReichel

        http://youtu.be/Mef-v8RL9_
        A Jews are not the Israelites of the bible…and some of them admit it.  Not Hebrews at all.
        Judaism was derived from the Babylonian Talmud (phallic worshippers)….actually an anti Jesus religion. 
        DNA also proves 95% of modern Jews are not Israelites of the bible….not Semites either….therefore their claim to Israel is false.  Therefore the bible verse I will bless those who bless thee doesn’t apply to them either.

        • RhondaReichel

          that link copied wrong….here is the correct one
          Scoffield started that myth about Jews being Hebrews of the bible
          the truth hurts….you have been misled
           
          http://youtu.be/Mef-v8RL9_A

        • RhondaReichel

          How the khazars became Israelis and how it ties into the NWO
          Hebrews were more like blacks
          Studies have been done with DNA and skull morphology and it has been found that modern day Israelis are not Hebrew descendents
           
          http://youtu.be/ZVomYbbb3L0

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RhondaReichel Rhonda I am sure you are a good and kind person but if you want to put your trust in man then do so. I get my guidance from God’s word and the personal relationship I have with him in my heart.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RhondaReichel God’s word is just! The heart’s of men are not worthy!

        • RhondaReichel
        • RhondaReichel

          They are LOST
          listen to who they think the Messiah is
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lPXe3leQj8

        • RhondaReichel

          Me too VeteransAgainstMatco….my heart tells me that those who killed Christ and those who still hate him today are not the chosen

        • RhondaReichel

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  different branches of Judiasm….Messianic Jews are not in power in Israel today
           
          Here is one that has it right on who is the Messiah & one that has it wrong
          http://youtu.be/Jno5b0tQ5Ck

      • RhondaReichel

        cowardly Christians don’t speak up when they mock Christ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yle_qeeOIMA

        • Eliza

          @RhondaReichel
           
          For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
          (Romans 11:25-32)

        • RhondaReichel

          I know that is true….their unbelief allowed the Gentiles to be saved….but they also should turn to Christ or they won’t be saved.

    • NavyJR

      @AWKingsley Electing a president should NOT be a popularity poll! Romney was/ is “Obama-lite” and that’s a fact; but see above as to WHY Ron Paul is also NOT what is needed.

  • AWKingsley

    @VeteransAgainstMatco: I agree with everything you said, except that you did not provide a solution; I am providing a solution. Now, who is it that is doing the ranting?

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @AWKingsley If you read the bible you would realize there is no solution. God’s judgement is upon us.

      • RalphZ

        @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley “If my people, which ar called by my name, shall humble  themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 and don’t forget the teaching of Jonah in that Nineveh repented from the King to the lowliest peasant in sack cloth and ashes.  Is Proud America willing to do that or make the claim that they have done nothing wrong as the Adulterous woman in Proverbs? “Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.” Proverbs 30 20.  We can do something but are we willing?  Have a good day.

        • Dennis822

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley Id like to answer this.In a nut shell “NO” america is not ,nor will it do this.Also its that way for a reason.Do you not think that GOD(YAHWEH) knows all things? His will is being done now.All things are according to his plan,his will,America is only going to get worse.You cant stop or change this.You can only change yourself.All things according to the Father.Have a great day

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822   @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley Jonah, I believe thought the same thing and if Christians want to show hatred for America, then stay silent, but as Ezekiel taught, and the Apostle Paul showed, the ones who stay silent and believe the way you seem to believe, then they and you will have to answer for the blood of even the wickedest person in America if we don’t warn them.  But do what you want and I’ll follow the Lord’s plain teaching.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822   @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley doubt you can find your ass with both hands tied behind your back but please TRY.
           
          WHY DID YAHWEH COME in the flesh as JESUS to die?
          TIC TOC
          times up on
          your first reply back if you can
          DOUBT you can pass
          feel free to try O ye of IMITATION quality

    • NavyJR

      @AWKingsley You keep going back to Ron Paul, and claiming he’s the solution but he’s NOT .  I don’t know what, IF anything, CAN resolve this mess;but I do know his libertarian attitudes toward the social issues are as dead wrong as his foreign policy isolationism.  In a world where I can get and respond back to an e-mail from my friend in Kuwait in real time in a matter of minutes, when I live in AZ, isolation is IMPOSSIBLE.!  We’re IN this world like it or not, and we HAVE to deal with it. Even when I was a kid, growing up, my Dad could fly from NY to London in a span of time that went from 15 hours at first, down to 5, and the supersonic brought that on down to about 2 hours’ flying time.    So I saw film of Queen Elizabeth’s coronation and Stalin’s funeral in less than 24 hours in each instance from when the actual event took place, and that was before Sputnik went up.  Today, we’d watch it LIVE from the comfort of our livingrooms, in real time and in color.  Even then isolation wasn’t possible.or practical.
      As for the social issues; I personally don’t care what one individual does that DOESN’T infringe on the rights of one or more other persons in the doing, or break the extant laws.  BUT, and here’s where that rub is, those social issues he’d ignore ARE infringing on the rights of others and in several ways.  So they must be addressed and dealt with.  And one of the biggest is the moral and ethical erosion, which is destroying this culture and nation.  Then there is the question of illegals.  They have broken one law just by coming here, and usually many more every single day they’re here, even the ones brought in as kids.  Either we ARE a nation of laws that apply to ALL, or we are not, and that’s called anarchy.  And that doesn’t even include the diseases and pests being brought back in with them that we’d contained or eradicated here over a century ago.  Neither can we protect one group of persons who practice a sexually deviant behavior and claim to not protect them all; which means pedophiles and rapists have the same right to claim special protection as homosexuals.  Personally, I see several problems there.  It’s not just that we “didn’t like” his policies but that they’re simply NOT sound for the world in which we live now.

      • AWKingsley

        @NavyJR Ron Paul is not an isolationist. Policing other countries with our bases scattered all over the world instead of protecting our own country is going to become an acute embarrassment to Republicans. Gerald Celente, the foremost trends analyst, has already predicted World War III, and I too can do that simply by tabulating the conditions that would produce war with China and Russia as opposed to the opposite, conditions that would not produce World War III. Israel is self-sufficient militarily. The Israelis have the finest defense systems in the world, and they just finished testing the first half of their Arrow 5 system by attracting live fire. They will test the 2nd. half of their Arrow 5 Defense System in 2014, so expect them to saber rattle to attract live fire in the form of missile or nukes then. Their new system will target incoming fire close to launch, so if Pakistan launches a nuke, it will probably nuke itself. Ron Paul is a very brilliant man. His verbal logic is superior to that of any other politician in Washington – near flawless.
         
        As to Social Issues, Libertarians turn all of the unconstitutional issues back to the states, so you get to decide them on a state level. Ron Paul himself is a very moral man. Libertarians will not allow the Federal Government to pay for immorality or the consequences of vice. When you take funding out of the equation, we have a chance of pushing immorality back. Until then, 30 years of screaming with no results, which is what was predicted by smart people in the first place, has really gotten on my nerves. If Christian Evangelicals really want to solve the problems, there is a simple solution – Libertarianism and Constitutional government. If our Federal Government  isn’t paying for immorality society itself can push back on immorality by exerting peer pressure. Giving the states their power back, gives the people more power. It wasn’t Libertarianism, the philosophy of Our Founding Fathers that created the immorality in our country; it was Socialism and permissive parents. As to the illegal immigrant situation, if the size of government is drastically reduced and entitlements are cut we will have a large group of unemployed American citizens who will push the illegals out. Remember, those pampered government employees are used to getting what they want, and they will be difficult. Will they decide that something has to be done about illegal aliens? Probably. Read between the lines on Libertarianism.. I believe you will like what you see.

        • NavyJR

          @AWKingsley Ron Paul is a 30 year veteran of Congress; and you DON’T stay inside the beltway that long without becoming PART of it.  You listened to flowery political speeches; did you actually LOOK at how he’s been VOTING all those years.?   The words and the votes aren’t matching up, and the VOTES matter more than the political promises.  I get his news letters and other postings regularly, along with Rand’s and a host of others.  We already HAVE 20 million unemployed and they haven’t managed to push the illegals out yet; nor WILL they.   WE must secure our borders, and our coastlines.    I served in that area, and got acquainted with how DC works. Ron Paul is PART of the problem not the solution.  As for libertarianism; I lean more toward that myself , than Repub.  I have also been living in AZ t he past 30 + years and SEEN first hand the full scope of the problems with the illegals.  I’ve also watched and deplored the decline of morality; acutely aware that when the APA took homosexuality of the behavioral disorders list for the DSM IV that it was opening a door for all manner of sexual perversion to claim the same protected status.  I SEE all to clearly the fruition of that, and what it will mean, especially for women and children in this nation.  Sadly MORE of the libertarians lean toward LIBERALISM than to conservatism, and THAT is a fact.  They will more likely support the homosexuals’ and other deviants’ agendas than oppose them, particularly the younger ones who have been infected and indoctrinated by this in our “schools”!  I’m no expert, but  I fear you’re a mere babe in these woods.

  • VeteransAgainstMatco

    I wish people would stop thinking about all of these corrupt political parties and start thinking about the 3000 Americans who lost their life on 9/11 or all the innocent people who have died because our soldiers shot them over a false war and out troops who have lost their lives killing innocent people and supporting a cause which they thought was just. Our fate has been sealed by those who we thought were supporting our people. Our fate as a country has already been decided and judgement will soon follow. If you think this country is going to rise up as one nation under God once again you should start reading more of Jesus Christ’s return to power. Jesus (God) will not come if there is not a reason. If the heart’s of men are filled with Gods light there would be no need for God to come. Jesus is coming and hearts of men are why he is coming. Those who do not except him and rebuke his name will suffer his wrath. Anger is a sin and none of us live without sin. What anger’s me is the lack of men who will stand for those who have suffered over sin. Thou shall not kill! George Bush may God forgive you but my sinful nature will not let me.

  • RalphZ

    @Russian55 Yes you are right on prayer but don’t forget that even voluntary prayer is under attack.  Did not a judge threaten anyone from teacher on down to students that if any dared to pray after his injunction, in the school would be punished to the fullest extent of the law?  I know it was several years ago but it does happen.  The student who was asked to speak at the graduation ceremony was ordered that no prayer would be allowed and no mention of God would be allowed.  Why?  The fabrication statement of Separation of Church and state was stated.  If the student wanted to do these things it is up to them not the school to decide for them.  The student does not leave their rights at the door of the school and if anyone would be disturbed by it, they should remember this is a free society.  Or at least it is suppose to be.  Sad how far we have fallen and the lies that are taught as facts when it comes to history and our freedoms.  Aren’t the people who have been silent so proud?  (I’m being sarcastic.)  But it is a good question to ask.  Have a fun day.

    • Russian55

      @RalphZ Sorry, but once you want to make a display of your prayer, it is no loner PRIVATE.
      Moreover, doesn’t even the Bible caution the adherents not to make a display of their faith, but rather of by living iit?
      I don’t want to watch others pray, whether it be to God, Allah or Zeus.

      • VeteransAgainstMatco

        @Russian55  @RalphZ I don’t care WHO pray or worships in public! As long as their faith has no bearing on whether I can do it or not. If you don’t want to see someone praying in public, find yourself another country to live in. I do not care if Muslims pray to Allah in the US as long as their belief does not take away my freedom. You want me to hide my faith so you can not see it. TOUGH! YOU ARE LIVING IN THE WRONG COUNTRY! YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN! YOU WANT ME TO CONFORM TO YOUR WAYS! GO LIVE IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY! GET OUT OF MINE!!!

        • Russian55

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @RalphZ My reference was to someone praying as part of a speech to a graduation, etc.
          Do you want it if it is a Muslim, praying to Allah in front of YOUR child’s graduation?
          Do you want a Hindi praying as part of her role as the teacher of a class?

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @Russian55  @RalphZ Sorry! I still have to disagree! “In God We Trust.” That is what made the US a great nation and our forefathers felt it was important enough to put into our constitution I think saying it at a High School speech falls right in line with what our forefathers wanted for our country. The Bible and God are just. If you choose to believe in the Devil then find another country who does not “In God We Trust.”

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco That is their right.  To deny rights to one or all is wrong and anyone with common sense would realize that rights denied to one group while granted to another will cause division and confusion which does lead to hatred.  I might not like the prayer to a pagan deity but if they are the valedictorian  they have the right according to our Constitution and laws.  Well?

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @Russian55  @RalphZ “In God We Trust”

        • RalphZ

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @Russian55  Not according to the Christian churches I’ve visited over the years.  In religion they trust but Christ?  He is an Inconvenience when he interferes with their home life or entertainment.  We need to repent and to be actually witness to others, not with just actions but also words.  Quit playing church and be real Christians.  Not fans but true followers.  Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and no religion or religious figure stands between me and God.  Have a good day.

        • Russian55

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @RalphZ “In God We Trust” is NOT in the Constitution.  In fact, God is nowhere in the Constitution, except in the negative:  “No religious oath” and “no establishment of a religion.”
           
          The Bible is NOWHERE in the Constitution.  In fact, many of the Founding Fathers (like Ben Franklin) did not even ATTEND Church.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco Find me some place in the Constitution where “God” or “Christ” or “Christian” is mentioned.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco You don’t actually understand the Establishment clause, do you?
          If the State authorizes a prayer at a State function, then it becomes the State establishing a religion.
          You want your kids to have an organized prayer in school?  Send them to a school run by a Church.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco I’m not talking about an “organized Prayer”.  If the student decides to do it as part of their speech, the school has nothing to do with it.  They are not forcing the student or demanding the student to do the prayer.  You are the one not understanding the First Amendment.  Read the Federalist papers.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco No, because the school (the State) has paid for the venue, pays for the facilities, the loudspeaker, etc.
          Therefore it is a State-funded function, not a PRIVATE one.
          Can he not pray at home?

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco I did not state that the Constitution stated “In God we Trust.”  If you are stuck on this, something is wrong, if you want a reference to God in a founding document, then read the Declaration of Independence.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco MAN the IDOL of direction satan wants us to focus upon – that’s the god of the founding document of satanic amerika  & may Yahweh the living Christ Jesus Pierce ALL those who LIVE in truth and seek her out to become aware of the balance of Biblical Word.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco The Declaration is not LAW.  It is a document of no binding nature under laws of the US once the Constitution (the supreme law of the land) was adopted.
          Did you know that many of the Framers were Unitarians, deists and some who practiced no religion at all?

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco You want to believe in a 2000 year old mythology, fine with me.  DO NOT try to make it part of the law of the land.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco  I don’t know what Bible you go by but It sure isn’t God’s Holy Word.  Have you ever read the Federalist papers and compared the quotes of the Founding Fathers of this nation not to mention the charter of the pilgrims as well as the charter for each state with the Bible?  I doubt it.  America has fallen for Satan’s lies and leaders, but if Christians are silent, then God will hold us just as guilty and demand an accounting of these people’s blood on our hands.  If this is too much for you to understand, then go your own way. Remember  “A man that is an heretic after the first and second abmonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” Titus 3:10,11; “But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.” Acts 4:19 & “God forbid; yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written. That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.” Romans 3:4.  This country was built on the Gospel of Jesus Christ,  and yes men are sinners and flawed but that does not change what we were founded on and it should spur on Christians to live as Christ would have them live.  If we don’t, then we have to answer to Christ and yes it does mean to answer for the blood on our hands.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco  The Declaration is one of the foundation documents of this country and is used in courts to determine basic rights as well as the Bill of Rights.  Where do you think the term of having the right to live without the government coming in and without thought taking away that right, to have liberty without the government taking it away, and this is where they got the idea for the Amendment in the Bill of Rights.  Read your history and the majority of the Framers of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were  Christians.  If the person believed in Christ as their personal Saviour, that does not nullify their input or how the documents were made if they did not follow a recognized Church. 
           
          Now if they were devil worshippers, agnostics, and the like, then it would reflect in the document.  Think about it.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco  I haven’t said I would make it part of the law of the land.  But don’t limit my rights just because you don’t like my faith or my praying in public or even reading my Bible in public.  I’ve already had a boss try to tell me that since one person thought it was scary for me to keep a Bible on my Desk at work.  I started packing up my things because I’ve always lived by the belief that if my Bible was not welcome, then I’m not welcomed.  He stopped me and told me that he did not see the harm and he would talk with this person.
           
          Also one thing you need to look at, the law has been used to limit Christians in the public arena using just your argument that they don’t have to be exposed to a person praying in public or reading the Bible in public or even just passing out tracts in public.  And God forbid that they disagree with the homosexuals about their way of life and the enforced education of acceptance as well as the rightness of trying out the homosexual lifestyle.  So you DON’T TRY to force me to accept your limits on my faith or FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco Also Russian, it is not a mythology.  Jesus is a historical person and there is no evidence that proves that he did not rise from the grave.  But there is enough eye witness accounts of his rising from the dead.  So go ahead and believe what you want but on the day of judgment, don’t claim you were not told.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @VeteransAgainstMatco Sorry, I don’t believe in a mythology written down about 100 years (or more) after events.
           
          Your Holy Book has a bunch of outright errors.  There is no historical evidence for the Exodus (there were no Jewish slaves massed in Egypt), and more.
           
          But if you want to believe in magic, go ahead.  It is your right.  I have no objection.  If you want to display “Merry Christmas” and say it I welcome it. 
           
          But if you want me to pay taxes to provide you a forum for it, forget it.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco If you want to keep a Bible on your desk, I have no problem.  My employees are welcome to enjoy their faith.
           
          On the other hand, if one of my employees begins to try and convert coworkers while on MY time, I would first warn them, then fire them.  I don’t pay them to preach or pray, I pay them to work.

        • NavyJR

          @Russian55  What you say about the Declaration is true as far as you go; and it’s also true many of the Framers were NOT Christians; but they WERE all GODLY men, and the Constitution was written as the contract with the states to GUARANTEE the principles stated in the Declaration.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco Guess you didm’t follow me too closely.
          Pilgrams vs what we had when we had the BIG C miles apart.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco  I agree.  I keep one with me for my beaks and lunch.  I’ve been known to study it in my car sitting in the parking lot.  But I give more then 8 hours work for 8 hours pay.  That way I don’t cheat anyone.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @RobertAlexander  @VeteransAgainstMatco The New Testament was written less then 50 years after the death of Christ.  Not a hundred.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco A mythology is a set of beliefs, true or false.  You need to study a dictionary.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco Mythology – A body of myths relating to a particular country  or person.  Myth – a legend or story, usually one that attempts to account for something in nature. most myths express a religious belief of a people and are of unknown origin.  Not facts.  They could have a kernel of fact but that is it.  I think you need a more accurate or non-political dictionary.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @Russian55  @VeteransAgainstMatco What the pilgrams wrote is also one of the founding documents for this country and is part of the foundation of this country.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco You might want to either stop cherrypicking the elements of the dictionary you use or get one that is more complete, such as the OED.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @VeteransAgainstMatco Your definition is very broad.  Is every Charter of every settlement part of the foundation as well?  Including those which p[ledge fidelity to the King?

        • RobertAlexander

          @Russian55  @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco Yet they did not… I agree the original colonials were Christian, but not with and after the Big ‘C’ for sure – they departed from Yah’s righteous standards.

        • Russian55

          @RobertAlexander  @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco Isn’t it odd that an all-powerful God couldn’t manage to make his Word clear enough to Man that barely 1/3 are “Christian” and even there they are broken up into Catholics, Protestants and further divided into a multitude of sects, septs, etc.
           
          You’d think God could do better.

        • RobertAlexander

          Psalms 19.7
           
          NOT ALL PEOPLE as I’m sure you can agree, LOVE the truth.
           
          II Thessalonians 2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
           
          Isaiah 55.8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith יהוה (Yahweh.)
           
          Nehemiah 8.8 So they read in the book in the law of Elohim (GOD) distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
           
          Proverbs 3.3:Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
           
          Fallen man with their prejudices do tend to demonstrate what you describe.
           
          Matthew 7.
          22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
          23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
           
          And when you don’t rightly divide the word of God you have many different doctrines…. if you know NOT the LAWS, statutes, Judgments of God – you will not comprehend the bible story – teachings, et al.
           
          Romans 7:1: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law…
           
          How can you travel to and fro in scripture in truth if you reject an essential principle?
           
          Psalms 119.105 Your law is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my paths.
           
          Those pathways you travel will be void of understanding…. non agreement… of multiple minds unstable in all their ways.
           
          James 1.8 a two-souled man is unstable in all his ways.

      • RalphZ

        @Russian55 If a Valedictorian decides to mention God in their speech or give a small prayer of thanks they have the right.  Their parents pay school taxes and therefore they have the right to have their daughter be allowed to do this because according to case law, you cannot force someone to pray also if the school told the person they had to pray, then it would be government sponsored.  If the person decides to do it on their own, even at a school function, they have the right to do it and they do not violate the First Amendment.  Read the Federalist papers if you don’t understand the First Amendment.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ If they want to do so as part of a prayer it is NOT fine.
          The school runs the function and has every right to control what is done as part of it. 
          Did the student pay for the facility and the function?  No.  Those who pay for the venue have the right to control what is said as a formal part of the function they have paid to provide.

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55 The Students parents did.  And since prayer is considered part of “Free Speech” they have the right to do one if they choose.  If the school does not like it or decides to ban it, then the school is in actuality taking away or limiting the student’s Free Speech rights protected under the First Amendment.  If you believe that they should only pray at home, then Christians would never leave home for we are commanded, “Pray without ceasing.” 1 Thessalonians 5:17;  If a child is at school and bows their head in prayer before a test or before eating their lunch, then they are not allowed to do that?  It is in school and a Judge is on record ruling against any type of prayer in school.  Maybe you agree with the judge.  To me the student has the right to pray if they are given a venue to speak and they decide to pray or speak about how God/Jesus helped them to get where they are, then they have that right under the First Amendment and if you don’t like it, you must tolerate it for it is their right and their parents do pay taxes.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ “Free speech” is not comprehensive.  Your employer may limit your speech while at your place of employment.  Schools have even been allowed to limit things like “hate speech” on their campuses.
          Sorry, his PARENTS cannot approve speech on s STATE venue.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ
          “Free speech” is not comprehensive.  Your employer may limit your speech while at your place of employment.  Schools have even been allowed to limit things like “hate speech” on their campuses.
          Sorry, his PARENTS cannot approve speech on s STATE venue.
          No one said he cannot pray — silently and in his chair.  Why must he compel others — who did not come to see him pray but to watch a graduation — to listen to his PERSONAL faith/
          If he wanted to make a public prayer, he was free to do so — AFTER the graduation.  He could stand on the street corner and pray all he wants.
          I don’t want to listen to someone else pray.  You are saying because I want to see my child graduate from a STATE RUN school I should be compelled to watch someone else profess a belief that I might not share?
          What if he was a Satan Worshiper?  Would you want to listen to his ravings while at your child’s graduation?
          Should a student be allowed to make a long graduation speech on the value of pedophilia?  Would that be “free speech” in your world?

        • RalphZ

          @Russian55  They have the right and if I don’t like it, I will not listen to them nor bow my head.  I will pray to God and I don’t think any witch or devil worshipper would like that.  But you don’t have to worry about it. because they, the government is deciding to  get rid of any reference a student might make to Jesus or God in any speech they give.  As to limiting speech, How about cursing at work?  I don’t like it but I have to listen to it every day because they seem to have a limited vocabulary.  And I’m talking about people with degrees.I guess limitation of speech by companies is situational as most morals are today.

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ It is the right of a corporation to state what employees can and cannot do on the premises of the business.  You can have a CCW and still not be allowed to carry on the property of your employer.
           
          Do you believe the bit about the boat — 440 feet long, 73 feet wide, and 43 feet high — that carried all the varieties of animals on Earth in it during a flood as well?

        • Russian55

          @RalphZ No. If ONLY the parents of the students paid for the facility it would be different.   It was paid for by TAXES that were collected from all the taxpayers, including NON-PARENTS.

  • AWKingsley

    Ron Paul and Rick Perry were the only flawless candidates in the 2012 election. Rick Perry has some other problem, but it doesn’t appear to be moral. Israel does not need our protection because they are even protecting our bases in the Middle East. Their defense system is peerless: The Israeli defense system is on GPS, and it only allows mortars from artillery fire and rockets to land in unpopulated areas. By the end of 2014, when they will be testing the other half of their Arrow 5 defense system, they will have overlap in their Iron Dome and Arrow Defense Systems that will cover the small percentage of error – about 3%. They just completed testing the first half of the Arrow 5 Defense System. Israel saber rattles to attract live fire for testing. Expect even more saber rattling and maybe an attack from Pakistan with a nuke at the end of 2014 because Israel attracted only one missile this time, and that one fell short – into the ocean. They didn’t get a good test against  missile fire. The new Arrow 5 system will target incoming fire shortly after launch, so if Pakistan fires a nuke at Israel they will probably just nuke themselves, which is the objective. We need to be concerned about protecting our own country from a land invasion by China and Russia. No country, unless it is someone Israel gulls into a fight is gong to shoot off a nuke. Why? Because they will be nuked back. And, by the way, Israel has every nuke known to man. America does not have Israel’s Defense Systems: We are the ones who are vulnerable, not Israel.We need to be concerned about the safety of our own country.
     
    Ron Paul is a Christian who has always held to his faith. He doesn’t loudly proclaim his Christianity because he doesn’t have to. Only very flawed candidates need to do that to cover their flaws. No Republican candidate with character flaws can win a general election because many voters are on to candidates who play the Christian card. Why? Because Republicans keep saying they are values voters. You don’t expect voters to vote for immoral hypocrites no matter how loudly they proclaim their Christianity, do you? After voters saw how Bush performed, they are no longer going to accept candidates playing the Christian card. And, no lobbyist has ever won a general election because they are correctly perceived as dishonest. Santorum went about proving his dishonesty in spades by bearing false witness against Ron Paul, blatantly calling him a liar in the debates. (Ron Paul is known to be the most honest politician in Washington.) The only way our country is going to change is to vote against the New World Order Globalist Corporatist Socialist candidates. All of those terms can be lumped together under Elitism, which is the force that is pushing all of the rest. The Elitists profit from all of the above terms while the Middle Class is destroyed financially.

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @AWKingsley Are you kidding me! The next invasion of the U.S. will probably be by China or Russia with the aid of our government. Pull YOUR HEAD out of the sand and look around. Why is our border along Mexico unprotected? Why are Russian planes allowed to fly over our Country this today, how do submarines cruise around the Gulf of Mexico for a week without being identified? I tell you right now our country is fixing to change all right and it is not going to be for the good.

  • AWKingsley

    RalphZ: Go back and read the 10 Commandments. You are bearing false witness.

    • RalphZ

      @AWKingsley How am I bearing false witness?

  • AWKingsley

    @RalphZ: Sorry, I misread your comment; I agree with your statement.

  • RalphZ

    @Dennis822 “Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing.  My brethren, these things ought not so to be.” James 3:10 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?” Matthew 7:11.  Man is a contradiction, he knows what is right and what is wrong, and he will do both and try to justify the wrong he does.  We are all sinners and yet we know what is good.  Al Capone was charitable to children and would defend a woman on the street if she was being accosted by ruffians.  But if he thought you crossed him, he would take a baseball bat and think nothing of smashing your head in or killing you in a gruesome manner.  The groups that oppose God keep enough truth and good in themselves to cause division in their enemies and to point to the good they do and claim that they are not that bad.  Even when they murder millions all in the name of doing good.  Think about it.

  • AWKingsley

    @VeteransAgainstMatco: I agree with you 100%; however, we are of the world and we have to operate in the world in the most righteous manner possible while we are here. That is the reason for my political concern and that of others. Consider exhorting people to elect righteous candidates with flawless moral and ethical integrity. I have a close relationship with God; I know he will like that.

  • AWKingsley

    @VeteransAgainstMatco: My head isn’t in he sand. I agree with you 100%. Don’t get personal Matco. I’m not an enemy.

    • VeteransAgainstMatco

      @AWKingsley Nothing is personal except the relationship I have with God who sent his son Jesus Christ to die the cross for me. Christ died, not for his chosen people, but for all his people. Old Testament prophecy was revealed when Jesus Christ arose on the 3rd day. This is fact, this is history, this is evidence which NO ONE can refute.

      • RobertAlexander

        @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley YOU don’t KNOW the Biblical Jesus – heroic try for your deceived doctrinal belief though… missed by a mile the target of truth though, AT LEAST be biblically accurate when you try to defraud the world satan,
         
        For the word of יהוה(YAHWEH) is right; and all his works are done in truth.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RobertAlexander  @AWKingsley Pardon me! I don’t know the biblical Jesus? The Christ that was to come in the Old Testament? Your saying Jesus Christ was not the Son of Man?  Your saying the Prophecy of the Old Testament was not fulfilled? Please explain why the relationship I have in God is not sufficient to receive salvation.

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @AWKingsley Any drunk can stumble upon the truth… but YOU don’t KNOW the Biblical Jesus, his laws, statutes, Judgments et al…. You’ve already demonstrated your ignorance – GO STUDY to show thy self approved you tool of thy own mind.
           
          For thus saith יהוה (YAH) of hosts, the Elohim of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.

  • NavyJR

    @ RalphZ: It was the Council of Nicea that established which books would be the canon of holy scripture; and the Roman Catholic Bible still contains several they included which the Protestants subsequently discarded in the Geneva, KJV and etc.  That was in the 4th century, LONG after John was dead!

    • Dennis822

      What i always thought interesting and i may be incorrect but we had 88 books of the bible at one time and now? 66.Strange number to have i always thought.Just sayin

      • NavyJR

        @Dennis822 Actually, there were probably THAT many written in the first century; and pared down to the present NT, at Nicea, because everybody and his brother wrote a gospel, not to mention letters to anyone he knew!  But the Roman Catholic Bible still contains many of the books that Protestants subsequently rejected during the Reformation.

    • RalphZ

      @NavyJR Disagree.  The Council of Niacea (325 AD) was called by Constantine about the Arien heresy., that Jesus Christ was a created being and not God in the flesh.  That he was not divine. It was the Council of Trent – 1546 which declared the Apocryphal books, together with un-written tradition are of God, and are to be received and venerated as the Word of God.  The cannon of the New Testament was already set as early as 150 AD because we have sets of manuscripts that contain all the books we now bound in one book, The Holy Bible and that do not contain the Old Testament or New Testament Apocryphal books.  There were groups that had all the books of the Present Bible and taught that there were no others.  So due to history I’ll keep with the statement that the cannon of the New Testament was settled by the apostle John on Patmos.

  • NavyJR

    @RobertAlexander: Who gave you the right to judge either Medic 2 or me?  Much LESS to make such a comment to us?  It wasn’t God by whatever Name you address Him.  And in relation to what do you judge either of us?  That’s as cowardly an act as an IED or a  sniper back-shooting!

    • RobertAlexander

      @NavyJR Jesus christ the living Yahweh – You are severely wanting in the balance of equitable justice towards walking in Yah’s laws. CALLING evil Good – REPENT, study within Gods WHOLE word and make not any exceptions… work on that instead of allowing leaven to puffeth up thy chest of foolishness.
       
      And next time you respond, at least have the dignity to  Quote which in reference.
       
      Your the coward Mr Pile of DUNG – calling LORD LORD doing NOT the things he sayeth yet you attack one by your unclean lips burning unrighteous coals over me, a live coal of truth toucheth my lips – reflect and respect in harmony ALL of Gods holy righteousness not which of just deems right in thine own eyes… if NOT your self righteous ass will not be seen in any righteous light by Yahweh the living Jesus.
       
      Proverbs 15:
      1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
      2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
      4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
      5 A fool despiseth his father’s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.
      6 In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.
      7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.
      10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
      12 A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
      14 The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.
      26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to YAHWEH: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.
      31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
      32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
      33 The fear of the Ever-Living-God is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

      • SheilaAnn

        @RobertAlexander  @NavyJR Those cult names gave me terrible New Age pressure in my forehead..When you came to Christians and Jews I laughed…So misled you are….Too bad so sad….

        • RobertAlexander

          @SheilaAnn  @NavyJR why is your mark of the beast itching a little?
           
          The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

      • NavyJR

        @RobertAlexander I  have NO idea who the hell you think you are; but keep JUDGMENT to yourself; it’s NOT your place, aside from the fact  that you’re DEAD wrong about me, and probably Medic2 as well!  NOTHING of what you’re ranting about even RELATES to ME!

        • RobertAlexander

          @NavyJR  If you love truth – but then again… you err but doubt you care

        • NavyJR

          @RobertAlexander If YOU knew truth at all you’d know your sanctimonious self-righteous attitude is very like that of the Saducees and the Pharisees, all show and legalism, no substance!  My God is very much alive and only HE has the right to judge my heart!

        • RobertAlexander

          @NavyJR TRUTH hurts too much?
          Exodus 23.1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
           
          I John 5.17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
           
          Psalms 6.8 Remove from me all the ones working lawlessness!…
           
          Proverbs 16.6 By loyalty and faithfulness, iniquity will be covered over,
          and by fear of Yahweh ⌞one turns⌟ from evil.
           
          Matthew 7.23 and then I will acknowledge to them, that–I never knew you, depart from me ye who are working lawlessness.
           
          II Timothy 2:
          19 sure, nevertheless, hath the foundation of God stood, having this seal, `The Lord hath known those who are His,’ and `Let him depart from unrighteousness–every one who is naming the name of Christ.’
           
           
          You don’t have a clue as to what the Saducees or Pharisees show and legalism is – YOU ARE FOUND WANTING by Jesus the GOD you claim –
           
          YOU are the very despicable things you’re pointing to me about – if you think you love truth the way you do – INVESTIGATE. If not it will be apparent because FEW are Chosen who walk down that narrow road.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @NavyJR “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Romans 3:28 “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:19-20 & “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ bight be given to them that believe.  But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by faith.  But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” Galatians 3:22-25.  After we come to Christ in repentance and accept him as our Saviour and Lord, we are no longer under the law..  Also Matthew 7:23 states, “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” not “lawlessness”.  I do believe you have drunk the works and legalistic kool-aid.

        • NavyJR

          @RobertAlexander SIR, I’ve met your ilk ALL OVER the “so-called” church, and find you all to be hypocritical and despicable excuses for human beings.  I do know truth, and it’s far less painful than lies and /or self-righteous and sanctimonious hypocrites like you.  DON’T bother responding to this, as I shan’t be answering you again.  You’re a WASTE of my time and efforts!

      • Kissitgoodbye

        @RobertAlexander  @NavyJR
         
        Robert, you are giving me a headache.  I hate to say it but you are sounding more and more like the Mullahs.  It is not your place to judge the faith of others.  My God is a forgiving, loving, God. He does not want anyone to believe in him out of fear.  We will all be judged by HIM!  Cerainly NOT by you.
         
        If you want to preach fire and brimstone, go hire a hall and send out invites,.

      • thethinman

        @RobertAlexander  Ignorance!  Matthew 16:16  Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

        • RobertAlexander

          @thethinman You apologizing for something thethinMan?
          Or do you some how feel you’re correcting me?
           
          What’s your point regarding that which is anointed???
           
          Habakkuk 3.13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

  • God_Of_War

    Bahá’í Faith – Invented by humans
    Druze– Invented by humans
    Gnosticism– Invented by humans
    Judaism– Invented by humans
    Rastafari– Invented by humans
    Mandaeans – Invented by humans
    Sabians– Invented by humans
    Samaritanism– Invented by humans
    Shabakism– Invented by humans
    Ayyavazhi– Invented by humans
    Bhakti– Invented by humans
    Buddhism– Invented by humans
    Din-i-Ilahi– Invented by humans
    Hinduism– Invented by humans
    Jainism– Invented by humans
    Meivazhi– Invented by humans
    Sikhism– Invented by humans
    Manichaeism– Invented by humans
    Mazdakism– Invented by humans
    Mithraism– Invented by humans
    Yazdânism– Invented by humans
    Zoroastrianism– Invented by humans
    Shinto– Invented by humans
    Taoism– Invented by humans
    Christianity– Invented by humans

    • God_Of_War

      The real God has no need to reveal himself to only a select few within all of recorded history. Why would He do that?
       
      God reveals Himself to all thru his creation. Look around you and you will see it.

    • RalphZ

      @God_Of_War invented by humans.  God was no invented by humans.  Judaism was not invented by humans nor was Christianity.  But you were.  Smile and have fun.

      • thethinman

        @RalphZ  @God_Of_War  “I” think you are both funny.  THAT being said – Christianity was NOT Created by Jesus the Messiah – Kristos in Greek, Christ in English.  Christianity was created by the “apostle” Paul.

  • AWKingsley

    @navyJR: Ron Paul is known hands down to be the most honest politician in Washington. Ron Paul’s life-style speaks to excellent moral character. I have examined his voting record, and as a fiscal and economic conservative his record is the best in Washington. As a Social Conservative his voting record is good. I have read Ron Paul’s Plan to Restore America, and it is the by far the only workable plan. I do not watch television, so I listen to very few flowery speeches. I occasionally viewed video clips of debates and clips from other candidate appearances, and I listened to clips from a couple of Ron Paul speeches online. Mostly I read and research online. As to a Libertarian being Liberal, I have never known a Liberal Libertarian. Libertarians are always against “Big” government, which is the key to ending Social Issues. Libertarians above all do not like to steal money from tax payers to pay for federal government largesse. But, it actually would not matter what Social views a Libertarian president had. And, you say, “Oh, no, she is wacko!” No I am not. Do you know why? Because YOU are going to decide what to pay for – YOU. Libertarians return everything to State’s Rights, and YOU get to decide on a State level what you are going to pay for and what non-criminal laws you will enact. Do you want to pay for abortions? Do you want homosexual ed. in your schools? Do you want to pay for research into the mating habits of dung beetles? YOU will get to decide EVERYTHING. Libertarianism gives freedom, but you get the responsibility. Libertarianism takes control away from our monster federal government and gives it back to the states, which gives each individual back the power he hasn’t had in a long while, and each individual has much more impact on decisions. It is impossible for any individual to exert control over our bloated federal government, but each individual has much more power on the state level.
     
    A Libertarian president isn’t going to be dong very much; YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE JOB. When we go back to the Constitution, the president just gives his job away to YOU, and then he gets to sit and look presidential and go to fancy affairs and talk to foreign diplomats – maybe a bit of over-simplification but not too much.

    • NavyJR

      @AWKingsley You do realize “honest politician” is an oxymoron, I trust?  You’re not going to convince me to vote for or support Ron Paul’s agenda.  And on social issues, it depends on what you define as social issues; because there are several significant ones he VOTED FOR in Congress, that I believe are completely deleterious to the nation, and the Constitution, as DO most liberals and libertarians vote FOR those issues.  However, it’s quite clear there’s no altering your course either, so I’ll stop wasting my time trying to explain to you why MOST conservatives would NEVER have voted for him even had he won the nomination.

  • RalphZ

    @Dennis822 God had decided to destroy Nineveh but he decided to give them a warning.  God is merciful, so he sent Jonah and they did repent.  There are no conditions on God granting forgiveness if people will repent.  But the hook of it all, is that we know this and if we are quiet, we are responsible for their blood and will have to give an accounting to God himself for it.  Read Ezekiel 33:6-8; Acts 18:6; 20:26.  There is a chance they will repent and as Christians we need to sound the warning and if we don’t, then we will answer to God who will judge us.  Jonah didn’t believe Nineveh would repent or if they did, God would have mercy on them.  This didn’t make Jonah happy.  Think about it.

    • Dennis822

      Brother.Really? If you think that at the day of his return the jews,in mass are going to convert to christianity? You are simply delusional.I understand where your coming from and what you mean but it simply isnt going to happen.Not because it couldnt but because the jews wont.What part about hating Christ and denying him do you not get? You do not have the spirit of anti-christ then suddenly bam you do not.

      • RalphZ

        @Dennis822 Then go ahead and show the ultimate hate by not warning them and don’t tell them the Gospel of Christ.  Be like Jonah by saying it was useless and that these people were so evil that they didn’t deserve a chance.  Is there a time limit on our warnings?  I believe that the only time limit is when the Lord Jesus comes for us.  Then it is time to stop being witnesses and enjoy our Saviour.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  Even JESUS himself says not to TELL (disclose) to everyone.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @Dennis822 He did not put any limitations in Matthew 28:19-20.  Go ahead and believe there are people you should not tell and I’ll tell everyone and on judgment day of Christians, we will see which is right.  I’ll take my lumps if I’m wrong but God’s Holy Word is clear.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  WOW… another who just ASSUMES they know what they speak…. Matthew 28:19-20, have ANY CLUE as to what it says? Not what you THINK it says, but what IT ACTUALLY speaks about?
           
          GO ahead and TWIST what I say just as you Twist Jesus words, for there is nothing new under the sun.
           
          You JUDGE Yahweh’s word, NOT I….
           
          Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith יהוה (YAHWEH.)

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @Dennis822 I’ll just leave you to the judgment of Christ and let his own words do the judging.  God’s Holy Word is not hard to understand when it comes to Salvation or how to live as His.  I think you need to look in the mirror and I was reminded to apologize to pagans for, as I was reminded, a lot of them don’t curse when they disagree with someone.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  You don’t know how to rightly Judge – try again.
           
          The statutes of יהוה (YAH) are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of יהוה (YAH) is pure, enlightening the eyes.

        • Dennis822

          @RalphZ Look we can debate this all day long.I do not hate anyone but those who are my GODs(YAHWEHs) enemies.I am not a universalist. YAHSHUA isnt a hippy.He isnt just love,peace and happiness.Thats only a part and its a part that the new age,new testament only christians preach.There are scriptures in the new testament that shows this doctrine to be false but you dont want to see those only have your ears tickled and thats ok.I get it.I too, was once like that.Actually ,there is a time limit.For we are told that there will come a time when the ones who are the watchmen on the walls will be silenced and this is before his coming.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822   @RalphZ Don’t know we will be silenced though – there’s ALWAYS a remnant… always…

        • Dennis822

          Brother.There will be a time when YAHWEHs word will be silenced.No more preaching or teaching of his word.The scripture eludes me at the moment where this is said,I apologize but theres a time in which the truth will not be accepted and it is then that we are to be silent.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  Interesting to see what scripture you get that from… does it have a second and third witness?
           
          1Peter1…Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of יהוה (YAH,) which liveth and abideth for ever.
           
          Isaiah 40.1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
           
          Isaiah 55.3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
           
          Psalms 105:
          1 O give thanks unto יהוה (YAH;) call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.
          2 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him: talk ye of all his wondrous works.
          3 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek יהוה.
          4 Seek יהוה (YAH,) and his strength: seek his face evermore.
          5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
          6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
          7 He is יהוה (YAH) our Elohim (GOD:) his judgments are in all the earth.
          8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
           
          Psalms 19.7 The law of יהוה (YAH) is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of יהוה is sure, making wise the simple.
           
          Psalms 34.16 The face of יהוה (YAH) is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
           
          Now there is a teaching that shows:
          Hebrews 8.11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know ye יהוה (YAH:) for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

        • Dennis822

          @RobertAlexander I will search tonight while at work and also search for a second and third witness as well.Thank you for sharing

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  May you be enriched with sound study and may some shadows be cast away because of that Dennis822.
           
          Proverbs 1.6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

        • thethinman

          @RobertAlexander  Matthew 7:2-6 (King James Version) 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  LOL, even ALMOST EVERY ONE of them who does convert to ‘Christianity’ are not real Christians… in their minds and deeds and words and never will… there are and have been a tiny tiny few.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  Try reading the WHOLE of scripture Raphz.

        • RobertAlexander

          @thethinman I know scripture tool
          Any reason why you quote to me that?
           
          John 7.24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

  • Rose Palmer

    We all are here on this earth because of God. He created man, if you are a Christian you know this is true. If others refuse to believe it, they will face Him when thier time comes.

  • AWKingsley

    Russian55:  “Should a student be allowed to make a long graduation speech on the value of pedophilia?  Would that be “free speech” in your world?”  
     
    AW: Your analogy is inept, a comparison of 2 unlike things. Prayer does not present a danger to you or to your children. A Prayer at graduation ceremonies is a tradition, and most respect that tradition. You are in the minority, and you need to live with it. We don’t always get our way in life. Sometimes the 4th of July celebration does not display enough fireworks, or a pigeon may drop an offering on your head outside of City Hall, but none of these things is in the least bit traumatizing and leaves no long lasting negative effect. A prayer at graduation is not a traumatizing event.  In a society where everyone has individual tastes and preferences, government must target a standard geared to the average. Get over it, and be realistic for a change.

    • RobertAlexander

      @AWKingsley Perhaps this is why you can’t “GET” scripture as well as you should.
      “”In a society where everyone has individual tastes and preferences, government must target a standard geared to the average.””
       
      Be honest, and think it thru without a knee jerk Jerk reaction.

  • NavyJR

    @Russian55: Any time an employer or school does so, that institution is ENCROACHING on the 1st Amendment!!

  • dolagibb

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  • Dennis822

    I dont know who sent the link video of the Rabbi talking with a christian about messiah but there you have it straight from a Rabbi who is supposedly one of the top 100 radio persons out there denying YESHUA MESSIAH(Jesus Christ) and who he really is and was.I dont know what christians would need to have their eyes opened to see what is truly thought about our savior.This is a Rabbi.One of their learned men.Who holds sway and clearly denying messiah.We are told that he who denies the son denies the father and is anti-christ.This is what is being taught in their synagoues among many other nasty things.Why cant christians today see this? Why cant you grasp Babylonian talmud=Judaism=Tradition of the elders.Which messiah vehemently attacked and rebuked.Any Rabbi today well tell you that modern Judaism IS!! the talmud=traditions of the elders.So all id ask is you to look at their teachings and what they say and what is believed by many jews and then tell me they are from above and that they love messiah.

    • Eliza

      @Dennis822
       
      I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
      (Romans 11:1-36)
       
      The Jews will always be God’s chosen people, however, that doesn’t mean all Jews will be saved.  It is going to be God’s divine intervention when Jesus Christ returns that will turn His people back to Himself.  However, just as the Rabbi’s you quoted have perverted ideas, or anti-christ ideas about who Jesus Christ is, so do the majority of leaders within the Christian church.  They have embraced ecumenical universalism and rejected the exclusivity of belief in the gospel for salvation.  Any parachurch ministry that you can name has embraced this anti-christ heresy.  Most denominations have corrupted the gospel and the simplicity that is in Christ for man-made doctrines and myths.  Many anti-christs have gone out into the world and are leading many astray.  But we have an anointing from the Holy One.
       
      Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
      (1 John 2:18-29)
       
      God’s Word speaks loud and clear to what is happening in our world.  We are in the end times.  We see the rush towards a one world government, a one world ecumenical religious organization, and the intensifying of the cult of personality necessary for the idolatrous worship of the Anti-Christ.  As believers in Jesus Christ our work is to share the gospel with the lost and rescue the converted from the lies of the enemy.  We are to live righteous lives for the glory of God, doing good to those around us, and staying faithful to Our Lord and Saviour, rejecting those who share the vain imaginings of their minds rather than the pure Word of God.  May God bless us as we seek to please and honor Him and His Son Jesus Christ.

      • Dennis822

        @Dennis822
        “Behold it [Israel] is a people that shall DWELL ALONE.” –  Numbers 23:9
         
        “For thou art an holy people unto Yahweh, your Elohim: Yahweh your Elohim hath chosen thee to be a special people upon Himself, above all the people that are upon the face of the earth.” – Deut. 7:6.
        Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect (Heb. shalam, safe, comfortable, at peace), and blind as the LORD’s servant? Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. – Isa. 42:18-20.
        For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not for filthy lucre’s sake…wherefore rebuke them sharply…not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  – Titus 1: 10-14…
        Judaism is based on two gigantic lies: 1.) that Judaism is the religion of the Old Testament, and 2.) that the Jewish people are the Israelites of the Bible.  Contrary to Judaism’s public claims about its own origins, the fact is that many rabbis, Jewish historians and encyclopedias admit that the true basis of Judaism is not the Bible at all.  The true source of Jewish theology is the Talmud. 
        The Talmud is a mere collection of commentaries on the Bible and other subjects.  The rabbis claim that the Talmud is the “oral tradition” of Moses, which was supposedly passed down by “Jewish scribes.”   Who these people were, the rabbis cannot say.  It is a myth.  There was no such tradition.   The idea is nothing but rabbinical invention, for the purpose of elevating themselves above the very Scriptures they pretend to uphold.  The “oral tradition” is the best explanation the rabbis have for this false tradition.  Deut. 4:2 explicitly states that no person has the authority to contradict the written Law of Moses.  Hence, any commentaries, which claim to have authority over the written laws of the Bible, are fraudulent, by the Bible’s own standards.            The fact is that the Talmud contradicts virtually every law that Moses recorded, so the Talmud is nothing but a mountain of lies heaped up against Scripture.  Despite public pronouncements declaring Judaism’s faithfulness to the Torah, in the eyes of the Jewish rabbi, the Talmud supercedes the Torah.  This is why Yahshua condemns rabbinism as “the tradition of the elders” which makes “the law of none effect.” (Matthew 15:6 & all of chapter 23.)
        The ethnicity of the Jewish people is also a matter of deception.  The Bible is clearly written to a specific group of people, whom Yahweh refers to as His “chosen.”  The Chosen People are clearly identified in Scripture by their appearance, characteristics, historical exploits and prophetic achievements.  The fact is that the Jewish people fit absolutely none of these identifying marks. 
        The Israelites were repeatedly told to remain separate and aloof from all other races and cultures.  Contrary to this dictum, the Jews have always insinuated themselves into other peoples lands, having never built a city or country of their own.  Like the cuckoo bird, the Jews nest in other people’s nests. The Israelites were warned repeatedly that, should they fraternize with other races and cultures, they would lose the very “choseness” by which He had jealously guarded them.  “Learn not the way of the heathen” is the Biblical command.  The Israelites were forbidden to circumcise non-Israelites.  This was true from Jacob down to the Maccabees, who refused to circumcise non-Israelites.  Contrary to the law of separation, the Jews have always taken converts of all races.  This is why the Jews are the most miscegenated people on the face of the earth.  As you will see from the evidence presented herein, this fact automatically disqualifies them as Yahweh’s chosen.
        The other five percent of modern Jews are of Sephardic ancestry.  These people are also non-Israelites, but they are the originators of the religion called Judaism.  It was the scribes and Pharisees who originated Talmudic doctrine just before the days of Jesus Christ.  The New Testament provides ample proof that their doctrine and ethnicity are suspect.  The four Gospels condemn their religion on every page, but few Christians are aware of this, because the theology of Judeo-Christianity has withheld this information from them and because most Christians don’t read their Bibles, except for the verses selected for them by their Judaized priesthood.
        Although the Pharisees began as a Judahite cult during the Maccabean era, the tides of war began to influence their loyalty to Israel.  Successive invasions of the land of Judah, which was a racially homogenous nation, divided the nation into sects of dubious loyalty.  The Maccabees were the most loyal to the Hebrew traditions, and they maintained their ethnic and theological purity until King John Hyrcanus violated the Mosaic Law by circumcising the males of Idumea. This event occurred in the year 121 BC.  These Idumeans were the racially mixed descendants of Esau, the perpetual enemy of Judah and Israel.  By circumcising these Edomites and incorporating them into the nation of Judah, Hyrcanus opened the floodgates to subversion by these Edomites. 
        This subversion began with Antipater, the “advisor” of John Hyrcanus.  As part of his subversive activities, Antipater also financed the Roman occupation of Judea, having bribed Julius Caesar for the favor of installing his son, Herod, as the governor of Galilee.  The Judahite historian, Josephus, records all of this treachery in his books, The Antiquities of Judah and The Wars of Judah.  Scholars have been duped into believing that the works of Josephus are the works of the “Jews.”   But Josephus clearly distinguishes between the true Judahites versus the invading Edomites.  Once the reader is aware that an impersonation is going on, the text becomes immediately clear.  Josephus has documented all of the treachery of the Edomites against True Judah.  This is the main theme of the “Antiquities,” especially regarding the activities of Antipater, Herod, and the brief Herodian dynasty which lasted until 70 AD.  It was the Edomite Herodians, in partnership with the largely Edomite sect of the Pharisees, who executed Christ. 
        As Josephus records, after Herod assassinated the last true Judahite King of Judah, Hyrcanus II, he assassinated the entire Sanhedrin and replaced them with his Edomite cronies.  This “reconstituted” Sanhedrin, which contained a smattering of Judahites, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, was, in fact, an alien outfit, created by Herod to impose Herod’s pagan religion upon the people of Judah.  These historical facts provide an entirely different perspective on the events of the four Gospels.  T

        • Dennis822

          This explains why Herod and the Pharisees were so hostile to Jesus.  They were NOT His kinsmen.  “Ye are not My sheep,” Jesus told them.  They were usurpers who fully understood that Yahshua was the true claimant to the throne of Judah.  Yahshua exposed their treachery at every turn, but modern Judeo-Christian scholarship simply ignores the historical record in favor of the “gospel of personal salvation,” or “the gospel of prosperity,” while eschewing the historical significance of the four Gospels.
          Once all of these facts are known, it becomes abundantly clear that the religion of Judaism is an Edomite religion masquerading as Israelite religion.  And the Jewish people are non-Israelites masquerading as Israel.  The Bible itself predicted that all of this would happen.  For proof of this, please see my essay, “The Marks of Israel,” which documents the prophesied and fulfilled exploits of the children of Israel, who are today’s Caucasian Race.
          The Edomites of the Bible are the Jews of today.  By their own admission:  “Edom is in modern Jewry.” – Jewish Encyclopedia, 1905 edition.

        • Dennis822

          “An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their discretion; MY PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE IT SO. But what will ye do when the end comes?” – Jer. 5:30-31.
                      The Apostle Paul, at II Thes. 2, declared that, just before the Second Coming, Christian Israel would abandon the true Faith.  The KJV describes it as a “falling away.”   Astute theologians call it the Great Apostasy.  Because Judeo-Christianity ignores its historical and racial roots, modern “Christianity” has abandoned the precious chosenness of True Israel.  Hence, like Judaism,  Judeo-Christianity is also based on two enormous lies: 1.) that the Covenants made exclusively with Israel were transmitted to “believers” or to some “church” organization, and 2.) the promises made to True Israel can be extrapolated to all non-Israelite peoples.  This miracle is somehow accomplished by simply “accepting the Lord into your heart.”  The fact is that the Bible denies both of these propositions, as this essay will prove with abundant evidence.

        • Dennis822

          The universalization of the Bible began with the Catholic Church.  The word ‘catholic’ means “universal.”  But the Bible nowhere authorizes such universalization.  The reformers of the Protestant Reformation realized that the Catholic Church was riddled with false doctrine.  That is why Luther and others referred to Catholicism as “Popery” and condemned the Catholic Church as the “anti-Christ” of their time. Unfortunately, the Reformation has been likewise subverted by universalistic doctrine, to such an alarming extent that Protestantism is today more catholic than the Pope.  This is the Great Apostasy foreseen by Paul.  (II Thes. 2.)   It is also the “false prophet” of Revelation. 
          Completely lost, whether ignored or deliberately obfuscated, in modern “Judeo-Christianity” is the eternal Covenant relationship that Yahweh God has established with True Israel.  The Bible is absolutely clear about this Covenant relationship.  It will exist forever and it cannot be revoked.  Paul affirms this at Gal. 3:17.  “And this I say, that the COVENANT, that was confirmed before God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.” Paul is simply stating that the Mosaic Law had nothing to do with the unbreakable Covenant relationship that Yahweh had established exclusively with the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  Law or no Law, the promises and covenants cannot be annulled.  Paul is asserting the exact opposite of what the Judeo-Christians have falsely assumed, namely that Paul is supposedly asserting that the law has been “done away with.”  A full analysis of what Paul is really saying in Chapter 3 of the book of Galatians will be presented later. 
          Before that can be done, the reader must fully understand the eternal and exclusive nature of the Covenants, promises and inheritance of the Old Testament, none of which can be transferred to any other people, and none of which have ever been abolished. The fact is that Paul confirms the racial covenants.  He never denies them.

        • Dennis822

          I could go on but this should be enough to get ya goin.The idea of the people in Israel today are YAHWEHs(GODs) chosen is an out and out lie.Many of the doctrines in judeo-christianity are lies.People are be led into a deep ditch.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @Dennis822 A ditch like the one Hitler buried hundreds of thousands of Jews in? Or the ditch they buried the ashes of Jews in after they took all their jewelry off and forced them into the furnaces marked as showers? The truth is yours to receive Dennis but first you must have faith. Faith that God loves you and believes in you.He believes you can live a life set apart from sin. Choose him Dennis! He is knocking! You only need to receive him. He is a just God Dennis. He came in human flesh teaching and healing all people. He cast out demons in the name of  “his father.” He told his disciples his fate and they did not have faith in his words. It was not till he rose that they truly believed. Will you have faith Dennis?

        • Dennis822

          Thank you for the kind words.Maybe like the ditch that the bolsheviks(communist jews) buried hundreds of thousands of christians? Look, there are 2 sides to every story,every subject.I have long since  learned that he who wins writes history and thats not always the truth.Ever heard of the fire bombing of Dresden? Atrocities and horrors were committed by all sides not just Germany.Germany also had sons and daughters,fathers and mothers,sisters and brothers who died.They loved just as anyone else does or did.Funny how everyone seems to forget that.Id ask.Does truth fear the light? Does not the truth stand and shine? Then why, today in the 21st century can we not ask questions and investigate the holocaust? Why are those who do imprisoned,fined or worse? Seems to be, if it was true then people would want it investigated and shown to be accurate not hide it or silence it.Ever ask yourself why this is? America is about the only place left we can and it is slowly being erroded as well.I thank you for you kind words but my faith is strong in my GOD (YAHWEH) and my savior YAHSHUA MESSIAH(JESUS CHRIST).You cant have universalism and GOD loves all then pick and choose who to dislike or hate.If he loves everyone then that means everyone.Including Germany and Hitler.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  Very decent, with an noted exception, namely: circumcision.
          And we’re speaking about the 66 books of the bible.
           
          Exodus 12.44 But every man’s servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
          Exodus 12.48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD (Yahweh,) let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
           
          Exodus 12.49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
          Numbers 15.29 For the native among the Israelites and the alien that dwells in their midst, there will be one law for anyone who commits an unintentional wrong.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  I actually read several of their (jews) books as well as old catholic books having interesting admissions.
           
          Just to clarify;
          Not all Pharisees were foreigners, some were Israelites… It were they though who learned what they did in BABYLON… and Christ most certainly condemned most of what they did on many levels.
           
          Acts 23.6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
           
          Paul was like me a Benjamite… so were our cousins the rest of the apostles but JUDAS – Humm interesting to contemplate.
           
          Romans 11:
          1 I say then, Hath יהוה (Yahweh) cast away his people? By no means. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  SCREECH — read JER 5 & at least 6 with all of 2 Thes 2 – slowly… that’s not the “END Times” per se nor is it detailing no more preaching if that’s what you were referring to earlier… everything else you’re quite good on.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  An you left out the fact that THOSE TWO covenants were a large contrast and which is why God was required to DIE as JESUS in simplistic terms.

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @Dennis822  O VAM, (your initials) what a web of deception you are woven into… and to use the H bomb too boot. LOL
           
          At least this is in your favor – ‘hundreds of thousands’ not millions and millions like the age of this earth some claim. The war was a jewish war, and to kill some of their rightful leaders – one cast against another – pawns of ‘sacrifice’ to help set up as the israeli land they have today. There was a world wide organized jewish declaration of war on Germany – boycott – crippling the economy – that was called by supporters a HOLY WAR. And anti jewish sentiments in Germany (or Europe / World) were actually nothing new, they have RIGHTLY been kicked out of everywhere.
           
          AND YOU CAN’T say that the disciples didn’t truly believe until Christ’s death… PLEase STOp ReAdInG InTo it something nOt tHeRe.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822  your last bit was a touch a real touch there — also, I was surprised you didn’t expound on Dresden as Holocaust.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @Dennis822 Hitler was Satan! There is right and there is wrong! Hitler called it ETHNIC CLEANSING I believe. Surely you are not suggesting that Hitler had God’s favor? Sure God allowed Hitler to do what he did but God allows us all the opportunity to serve him without being made to. God wants us to serve him because we want to not because we have to.

        • Dennis822

          I thought it was clear on what i was “suggesting” Hitler was not satan nor the anti-christ.You are brainwashed and propagandized.He was not any better or worse than any other man.It always amazes me that people use him but never talk about Stalin or even Churchill who was actually insane giving briefings in the nude or bath.Many things you enjoy or use today you can thank Hitler and the german people.who do you think invented the highway system you enjoy today or where do you think our entire space prgram came from.Everyone forgets the good and only concentrates on the bad.As for the ethic cleansing? Maybe you should look into where that idea really came from.It certainly wasnt Hitler or the german people.

  • AWKingsley

    @VeteransAgainstMatco: The discussion in which I engaged was about consciousness and was intended to offer those who wanted growth in consciousness a means of doing that.  I felt it was particularly pertinent because greater clarity always help any endeavor, including political. How you choose to accomplish your salvation is your choice.

  • AWKingsley

    @RobertAlexander: You have every right to pursue your religion in any manner that you wish. I admire your faith; however, even as a child, I responded to Jesus Christ words when speaking about miracles, that we could do even greater than these. I  believe the words of Jesus Christ, and I live by them.

    • RobertAlexander

      @AWKingsley Miracles? Okay… regards to what?
      If you live by them then you agree with His Laws…

  • RalphZ

    @RobertAlexander Jesus came to pay for our sins.  What is the “Work of God” and the “Will of God”?  You insult like a pagan.  You also do not know God’s Holy Word.  I pity you and will pray that God will open your eyes.  Have a good day.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ Severely lacking Ralphz

      • RalphZ

        @RobertAlexander It is accurate.  Now if you wish for the scripture reference, you need to ask for it.  “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” 1 Timothy 1:15.   I stand by what I’ve already stated until proven otherwise.

  • AWKingsley

    @RobertAlexander: I kindly offered a prayer taken directly from the Holy Communion. If you do not like that, fine, but spare me your judgments. “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” In my opinion, this web site is not dedicated to theological discussions. I offered the “Prayer for Perfection in Jesus Christ” in response Rhonda’s link to an article relating consciousness to political awareness and clarity on issues. The prayer raises consciousness.

    • RobertAlexander

      @AWKingsley I realize that – but make your prayers more biblically sound AWK.
       
      As for “a woman having been taken in adultery” you apparently don’t know the story or the law.
       
      She was unjustly brought to Jesus, and although guilty her accusers did not follow the law – same an you.
       
      Psalms 119:142: Thy righteousness is righteousness to the age, And Thy law is truth.

    • Dennis822

      Why do you feel that others are judging you? Sharing the word or others beliefs on a subject is not judging.If you feel a brother may be in error is it not our responsibility out of love to offer correction? I keep seeing you and others saying that your being judged.I do not see that.Is this an excuse to follow the lusts of your flesh and desires of the heart? or do you honestly feel that your being judged? Can we not reason together?

    • thethinman

      @AWKingsley Matthew 6:
      6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
      7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
      8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
      9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
      10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
      11 Give us this day our daily bread.
      12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
      13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
      14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
      15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

  • RalphZ

    @Russian55 I don’t know what a CCW is but as I’ve said before, my Bible goes where ever I go.  If an employer does not want it on my person or at work with me, then I will leave.  I abided by this when I was young and now I’m just too old to change it or abandon it.  I truly don’t care if the employer needs me to work for him or not.  IF he bans my Bible, then he bans me.  enough said.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ  @Russian55 That’s great, wish every Professing Christian did the same… even BETTER is:
       
      I John 5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    • thethinman

      @RalphZ  Then your Bible is your GOD.  It is a book, written/printed on paper and bound.  THAT book is not important – it is the words in the book.  This smacks of the Muslims death threats and retaliation for burning a “Koran” which they could not read – because it is translated into English.  If it were written in Arabic – then the person burning it wouldn’t truly know what he was burning.  “I” am against burning books of any kind.  Once you start burning one book – all the others may be burnt up as well.  IF you don’t like a book for what is in it – don’t buy it, don’t pick it up, and don’t read it.

      • RalphZ

        @thethinman Then you wouldn’t have liked the Apostles and the people of the early Church.  They burned their own books of the occult.  The cost of the books they burned was substantial. “Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousands pieces of silver.” Acts 19:19.  Also my Bible is not my God.  It is the Word of God.  If you don’t like it, then don’t answer me about the Bible.  The difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims will slit your throat for defacing or even burning their Qur’an. (By the way, the correct way to destroy a defaced Qur’an, is to either bury it or burn it.  Both are correct.)  Also if I decide to buy a Qur’an and burn it, it is my business and not anyone else.  I’ve only burnt about ten books and all of them were my own. I don’t believe in burning anyone elses. 
         
        I do have one question, where have I stated that the Bible is my God?  Just curious.

  • AWKingsley

    @RobertAlexander: Basing a prayer on the Holy Communion is not outside the boundaries of God’s Law. Reread your 10 Commandments. Stop “bearing false witness”.

    • RobertAlexander

      @AWKingsley Make your prayer truthful to His word AWK.
       
      Do you know what Communion signifies AWK?
      Agreement to the contract terms….
      Do you fully comprehend that?

  • AWKingsley

    @RobertAlexander: Your holier than thou attitude and disrespect for other bloggers is not winning you friends, nor are you likely to get any of your points or issues accepted. Again, I am not interested in debating theological issues with you, nor do I have an interest in dogmatic minutiae.

    • RobertAlexander

      @AWKingsley minutiae LOL ROTF
      At least you can do is investigate your prayer for error – but NO – No sweat – It’s on you bucko.
       
      But a TRUTH I tell you and one you are trying to skate around is the WOMAN in Adultery was said TO STONE HER. You Sir, SHOULD yet DON’T know NOR apply The LAWS of God to your teaching – and You should be very careful in that regard to do your best to conform it to what is truth, regardless…
       
      So GO STUDY what Communion fully means, and go study what the phrase:
       “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” MEANS – do it truthfully, do it with a whole LOVE for Yah’s word not with what you want it to say.
       
      I don’t expect most Christians to see right off what communion means, but you brought it up and you should learn….
       
      I do EXPECT & so does Jesus, for ALL Christians to learn and AGREE fully with what the woman in Adultery story means… at least in a good summary…  so GO STUDY IT.
       
      The WOMAN in Adultery story including  “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” is NOT a trivial matter.

      • DennyB

        @RobertAlexander  @AWKingsley
         Your post is correct. As far as I know, there was only one person that was ever without sin. Everyone else, has sinned, including myself. I don’t think there i a reader here, or in the entire world, that is without sin. Me, I try to put on the entire Armourer of the Lord, Ephesians, Chapter 6, verses 11 hrough 17. I have been trying to do that for over34 years. Stll haven’t recieved it all. In fact, it will take more than one lifetime. But at least I am honestly trying.

        • RobertAlexander

          @DennyB  Go STUDY and discover WHY you don’t comprehend the story of the woman “CAUGHT” in adultery.
           
          HINT, START HERE, study the law and read the whole in CONTEXT – KNOWING the law which the Jesus you claim you serve AGREES.
           
          John 8:
          1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
          2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
          3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
          4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
          5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
          6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
          7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
           
          In FACT, the TRUTH is beyond your comprehension – for I tell you his – HAD those men been RIGHTEOUS men who Brought the woman to Jesus properly – the death penalty would of been required and spoken from Jesus’ very OWN-LIPS.

        • DennyB

          @RobertAlexander
           No man in this life, is without sin. Not me, not you, no one. So, if they had been Rightous, they would of been without sin. To be Rigtous, they would have obeyed all the laws of the Lord. Name one rightous man or woman? Someone without any sin. So who would these rightous men have been that would have cast the first stone?

        • RobertAlexander

          @DennyB YOU SIR have NO understanding of scripture. GO STUDY.
          Ezekiel 33.18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
           
          YOU have a stiff neck who refuseth to HEAR JESUS… do as I said and STUDY the story of a woman caught in adultery with LOVE and INTEGRITY… APPLY Biblical law.
           
          Those men in the story were NOT following the LAW. Period – so go and discover the whole matter out for yourself.
           
          Isaiah 1.10 Hear the word of the LORD, O rulers of Sodom! Take heed to the law of our God, O people of Gomorrah!

        • thethinman

          @RobertAlexander  @DennyB  and as “I” recall – he told the woman to go and sin no more.

        • RobertAlexander

          @thethinman  @DennyB Amen… Just correct… so WHY was she not condemned? and the answer was not that Jesus forgave her… that answer you get from someone not studied or a judeo-Christian.

        • DennyB

          @thethinman  @RobertAlexander
           That is exactly what he said. He didn’t say he forgave her. He said go and sin no more. There were no rightious men to cast the first stone, not even one. Did he forgive her sins later? If she accepted him, then yes.

        • DennyB

          @RobertAlexander
           You will be in my prayers tonight. God Bless you.

        • thethinman

          @DennyB  For what it is worth – This is what Jesus is reported to have said – but it may have to do with translation or simply how the story got repeated.
           
          surely, none of us is without sin.  BUT that being said – there are those among us who are righteous, sinners though we all be.  We confess our sins, and are forgiven because we are imperfect humans beings.  It doesn’t make us unrighteous.  But apparently each of those Pharisees knew in his own heart that he had that ‘sin’ still in him – primarily because they sought to ‘trick’ Jesus and they got caught in the act.  IF they had been believers in the law – the woman would already have been stoned – as well as the man – and there would have been no question.
           
          Oh yes, I do know that that book says there are “none righteous, no not one” (and the context of that was circumcision, and one must read the whole context in Romans to get what is said) – but I beg to differ.  Perhaps few and far between – but there was Enoch, Job, and Daniel, as well perhaps as Daniels companions, Hanania), Mishael and Azariah. 
           
          “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” Romans 4:3
           
          Psalm 106:  King James Version (KJV)
          30 Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.
          31 And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore.

        • thethinman

          @RobertAlexander  @DennyB One cannot choose here and there – this verse and that verse without context.  I do agree with you however to the fullest about the Pharisee’s who had not followed the law to begin with.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RobertAlexander @DennyB You,sir, are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

        • RobertAlexander

          @DennyB  @thethinman People SKIM over and ADD TO Gods word all the time… probably one curtail element to what Jesus will tell many in the end to depart.
           
          No Righteous men who BROUGHT that woman in adultery… remember all the times Jesus came into contact with these same foolish types:
          And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery…
           
          they said, tempting him
           
          HEARKEN a LEASON here
           
          Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground
          (Probably blocking their view of what he was writing)
           
          So when they continued asking him,
          he lifted up himself,
          and said unto them,
          He that is without sin among you,
          let him first cast a stone at her.
           
          IF you KNOW the LAW (Jesus was a Law doer unlike many who claim to be his followers today) then you will begin to see the fuller truths here.
           
          And Jesus Gave a Second Witness to HIS Testimony, probably from the law.
           
          And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
           
          Now THIS is interesting, especially those who know the law – can see where this is going fairly rapidly…
           
          And they which heard it,
          being convicted
          by their own conscience,
          went out one by one,
          beginning at the eldest,
          even unto the last
           
          Humm, think on that one.
           
          Jesus was left alone,
          and the woman standing in the midst.
           
          SCUM BAG FALSE WITNESSES are now all gone…
           
          When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers?
           
          Lying SCUM BAG scribes and Pharisees no longer there
           
          hath no man condemned thee?
          MUST have witnesses — and IT was a CONDEMNED Accusation worthy of death.
           
          She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee
           
          :GO and from now, no more sin.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RobertAlexander  @DennyB Just because you throw out the baby with the bath water does not make saving the baby an insane act.
           
          If you study to show thyself approved in this one verse you shall shed tremendous life into and light upon your claim of being in Harmony with Gods WORD.
           
          Luke 5.
          36 ¶And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
           
          And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written.
           
          Why repair ye not the breaches of your house?
           
          Repent before you become the same as:
           
          And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart, The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

        • thethinman

          @RobertAlexander  Yes, I see that even YOU know how to add to the scriptures – “probably blocking their view” – for why would you add that.?

        • RobertAlexander

          @thethinman Which — read all of it… in reference to I think it was kissgoodbye said delusions of grandeur…

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RobertAlexander  @DennyB Wow! Or do you think Jesus Christ (God in human flesh) knows the hearts of ALL men? That there is not a man or woman in the world without sin and that none of them could pick up a stone just as no one on the earth could pick up a stone? You might be the most righteous man I have ever communicated with over the internet but are you free of sin? Isn’t a small sin and a big sin a sin? Maybe our judgement is the reflection of our lives and the sin we bore. Maybe God’s judgement is the reflection of ALL the things we did wrong or right. Maybe Jesus Christ was showing us how we will be judged. Maybe those wanting to stone were already feeling God’s judgement in their hearts over their own sin so they put down their stones. Who knows! As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

        • VeteransAgainstMatco

          @RobertAlexander  @DennyB What faith are you Robert? Is it Jewish faith or Mormon faith? You twist the scripture which you are very knowledgeable about to fit your own purpose. The woman being stoned had committed a sin. Are not all sins still sin? Do you not think that Jesus was pointing this out because man was doing things he did not agree with? Maybe Jesus knew the hearts of the men and he could see that they were actually going to enjoy the act of stoning the woman instead of stoning her with heavy hearts as a sacrifice. Maybe Jesus gave those men a glimpse of how they were going to be judged in death and they were terrified because their sins were many. You think you know all the answers Robert but not even I know all the answers. Study Gods word with an open heart and receive his blessing of his word and you too will have peace. God Bless You Robert.

        • RobertAlexander

          @VeteransAgainstMatco  @DennyB Be intellectually Honest now.
          Your HEART is out of focus with the Gospel Truths. Repent.
           
          What was the required LAW, STATUTE & O YEAH Judgment for that woman in Adultery had she been properly brought for sentencing ?
           
          Don’t dodge the bullet simpleton, ANSWER in TRUTH without adding to the word of God.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @VeteransAgainstMatco  @DennyB Already answered.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @VeteransAgainstMatco  @DennyB In the Bible but not intelligently by you… and once again you should be aware that you can not pit scripture against itself. All I see from you is UNJUST assumptions based on your personal WORLD VIEW.

  • RalphZ

    @RobertAlexander You stated “Try reading the WHOLE of scripture Raphz”  Yet you give no examples.  Show me an example and we will go from there.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ Why not start with ONE and we can go from there since you’re not reading most if it in harmony.

  • RalphZ

    @RobertAlexander  You said ” LOL, even ALMOST EVERY ONE of them who does convert to ‘Christianity’ are not real Christians… in their minds and deeds and words and never will… there are and have been a tiny tiny few.”  Hell and the Lake of Fire are nothing to laugh about.  Also do you know their hearts?  If so, then go ahead and tell them that they are headed for eternity in torment. Remember Matthew 7:2  (KJB) and then go ahead and judge them.

  • RalphZ

    @RobertAlexander You said in one of your comments, “IF you KNOW the LAW (Jesus was a Law doer unlike many who claim to be his followers today) then you will begin to see the fuller truths here.”  Jesus was a pork abstaining, animal sacrificing, Temple attending, All Law of God obeying Jew.  The Law was our school master until we came to Christ. (Galatians 3:23-25 KJB).  Also we, (Christians) are no longer under the law but under GRACE. (“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, the man that doeth them shall live in them. (Also read Romans 11:6 and 4:4-5 KJB). We are also told that the man who keeps the law and yet offends in one point is guilty of all. (found in James 2:10).  By pushing the law and demanding that people follow it when you do not is Hypocritical.  You do not sacrifice animals nor go to the temple to do so or to pay the yearly tax for your soul.  Do you follow the separating of foods in the kitchen and only eat the “clean” foods? 
     
    I’m a follower of Christ and am not under the law but under grace.  Maybe you are the one who has been tricked.  The legalists which the Apostle Paul had problems with even fooled the Apostle Peter to the point that Paul had to confront him, (Galatians 2:11-21 KJB).  If you disagree, please show me where I’ve twisted or not read the scriptures correctly.  Also remember the example in Ezekiel 33:13 KJB, we read about the righteous man and that when he commits iniquity, none of his righteousness is remembered and he shall die for his iniquity.  Have a good day.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ WOW satanic deception has ingrained within thy heart… Shall we disuse this issue and let ALL your marbles of knowledge rest in your correct or incorrect interpretation of this?

      • RalphZ

        @RobertAlexander You are the one who seems to have the deception.  Scripture is clear and rightly dividing the Truth is knowing where the law ends and grace starts.  It is also knowing and accepting that God does not justify people by the Law but does justify those that come to Christ by Faith.  Simple and easily understood.  If you wish to be a Judaizer go ahead and push the law as supreme and ignore Grace.  Also “Satanic Deception”?  Really, with no proof you are like a cloud with no rain or a fig tree with no fruit when you make a statement with no proof.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ Quite simply you PIT parts of the scripture to uphold a belief which is not in harmony with the whole.
           
          And NOT ALL Scripture is clear BTW…. 
           
          It’s funny, people like you who don’t even know what a Judaizer is always seem to classify harmony with Scripture as such – Jesus by your definition, Paul and Peter are Judiazers too.
           
          Speaking of which, as a side bar discussion… WHY did PETER’s VISION or shall I say WHAT did Peter’s vision with the unclean meats mean?

        • Dennis822

          @RalphZ  The “grace only” doctrine is satanic doctrine.The law was never done away with.This is nothing more than new age occultism in the churches today.witches believe in “do what thou wilt and make it the whole of the law” Sound familiar? It should.Its what your talking about when you keep saying we are under grace alone.What is sin? Sin is trangression of the law!!!! How can the law be done away with? Is sin gone? Has it been done away with? I think not.Obedience to YAHWEH(GOD) is not grievous.As lovers and follower of him we should seek to obey him and you cant do that if you have done away with his law!!!. Much witchcraft has infiltrated the church and this is just one of the many deceptions out there.Of course we are under his love and grace but to teach that is all is ludicrous.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 Again you twist scripture and what I’ve stated.  Grace is “Unmerited Favor” check your definition.  Also in John 3:36 you have the wrath of God abiding on, who?  the person who does not believe.  As Galatians tells us, and I’ve given you the references, the law was our school master.  Why, because we are sinners and it convicts us of sin.  The world is under condemnation by God because of sin.  Do we gain salvation by the Law?  The answer is a resounding “NO!”.  Do we keep Salvation if we keep the Law?  The Answer is again a resounding “NO!”  All of these references I’ve already given and yet you tell me that I’m preaching a Satanic Doctrine or new age teachings?
           
          All Christians are under GRACE! not the law.  For once Grace comes, there is no more need for the school master.  The Law is FULFILLED in Christ and only by him are we saved.  If you want to believe otherwise, then go ahead and do so, but don’t blame me on judgment day.  I’ve done what I’m suppose to do and be a witness.  So have a good day.

        • Dennis822

          I twist nothing.Your arrogance and pride are showing full well.Your false doctrines will lead many astray and your right about one thing.Youll answer for that one day.

        • RobertAlexander

          @Dennis822 @RalphZ
          I Samuel 15.23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry…..
           
          I Corinthians 7.19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
           
          I Timothy 1.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
           
          iniquity is stubbornness
           
          Jeremiah 3.13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed…
           
          perversity, i.e. (moral) evil
           
          Psalms 51.
          9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
          10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
           
          Read THIS CAREFULY:
          Hebrews 7.19 for the Law brought no perfect blessing–but on the other hand we have the bringing in of a new and better hope by means of which we draw near to God. 20 And since it was not without an oath being taken–
          21 for these men hold office without any oath having been taken, but He holds it attested by an oath from Him who said to Him, “The Lord has sworn and will not recall His words, Thou art a Priest for ever” — 22 so much the more also is the Covenant of which Jesus has become the guarantor, a better covenant.
           
          Galatians 3:
          19 Why then was the Law (Mosaic covenant) given? It was imposed later on for the sake of defining sin, until the seed should come to whom God had made the promise; and its details were laid down by a mediator with the help of angels.
           
          Romans 10.
          4 “For as a means of righteousness” Christ is the termination of Law to every believer.
           
          Psalms 19.
          7 The law of יהוה (Yahweh) is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of יהוה (Yahweh) is sure, making wise the simple.
           
          Romans 3.31 Do we then make void the law through faith? By no means: yea, we establish the law.
           
          Psalms 119.167 My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.
           
          Isaiah 8.20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 Prove it. Have a nice day.

        • Dennis822

          @RobertAlexander  Thank you Mr.Alexander.I am but a babe in the word since i have come out of judeo-christianity.I have and am learning much from this debate alone and i thank you.

        • Dennis822

          I have nothing to prove.YAHWEHs word stands on its own.Maybe if that plank wasnt in your eye you could see this.Im not really sure what your problem is but i am not your enemy as you seem to think or act like.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander You still have not answered me.  What does the Bible state is the Will of God and the Work of God?
           
          Judaizer is one who tried to bring in the customs, doctrines and rites as necessary for salvation to the Gentiles who had accepted Christ by faith.  They were wrong. Paul and Peter were not “Judaizers”.
           
          Peter’s vision with the unclean animals, they become meat once they are killed, was not about eating but about Gentiles being accepted by God. As it states, “When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”  Acts 11:18. (Read Acts 10:1-11:18 KJB)  Also Peter’s own words, “Then Peter opened hismouth and said, “Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness is accepted with him.” (Acts 10:34,35 KJB).  It is simple when kept in context. Now will you answer me?  Because I will not answer anything else from you until then.  I’ll give you a hint, it’s in the New Testament.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 When you state that “Grace Only” is satanic, you are also defacto stating that this is Satanic, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.  (Refer to Romans 3:27-29 KJB, for a sub-reference.) If you rely on the law for part or all of your salvation, then you have somewhat to boast before God but when it is pure grace and not works or the law, then you have no boasting before God for He did all of it.  “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.” Romans 3:19-21.  Romans is a good book for new Christians to read, as well as Galatians.
           
          If I misunderstood what you wrote, I do apologize.  If you have a question about what I’ve stated, please be specific and reference it.  This is why I reference scripture with what I state to show where I’m coming from.  Have a good day.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ So the Vision of Peter did not effect the food laws what so ever?

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  Raplhz you got to read it ALL in harmony.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @Dennis822 kiss, yes?

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822  yes what and which post?

        • Dennis822

          No what i am saying is taking things out of context and twisting it to fit your feelings is.The GRACE ONLY doctrine is satanic.The only is what you need to pick up on.As i stated of course we are under his grace and love but to think only grace and we do not need the law or it is done away with is satanic.Who do you think wants us to believe that? Trangression of the law is sin no? So to love our father is obediece to his law no? You cant have grace only theology.What that is is what witches believe.Make whatever they want to believe their law.While as christians we are told to follow YAHWEHs(GODs) perfect law.If our fathers laws,commandments and statutes and judgements are done away with then whos do we follow? Mans? THats exactly why we are at where were are at.Man thinking we know better.Grace is only part of it.NOt all of it.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 Then what you are saying is that salvation is not by grace alone?  That the law is also required for our salvation?

        • Dennis822

          How can you be saved if you continually live in sin? and i mean actively living in sin.We all make mistakes but to teach the law is done away with is believing there is no more sin.Do you believe in once saved ,always saved? Another false doctrine in scripture.What YAHSHUA MESSIAH did for his lost sheep was to sacrifice himself as a perfect sacrifice.It did away with the levitical priesthood and continual animal sacrifice for atonement for sin.Thats it.Nothing else was abolished.In fact messiah says he didnt come to do away with but to enforce the law.YAHSHUA MESSIAH is the WORD he is all of it

        • Dennis822

          Meant false doctrine in churches not scipture.Sorry

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 You do know that we are not to sign?  In fact we are commanded not to and we are also told that these shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Romans 6:1-9; 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 KJB)  We are “Born again” and become new creatures in Christ (John 3:3; 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJB).  We are told that we have, present tense in both the Greek and English, eternal life (John 3:15-18 KJB)
           
          Jesus did come to “fulfill” the law. (fulfill – Pieroo – “When Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill, meaning that He came not only to fulfill the types and prophecies by His actions and sufferings, but also to perform perfect obedience to the law of God in His own person and to enforce and explain it fully by His doctrine.  Thus He has fully satisfied the requirements of the law.”) 
           
          We are to live by faith “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.  But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Hebrews 10:38-11:1.  And what is our faith to do?  Faith is like fuel for an engine that produces horsepower.  If your faith is real, you will strive against sin and live your faith.  In other words it will produce works.  I Love the Book of James for it brings it out so succinctly, “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.  Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” James 2:17-19. 
           
          Scripture does not contradict Scripture but is in fact in harmony.  As I’ve stated, we are under Grace and not the law. (Romans 6:11-19; Hebrews 7:11-25; James 4:4-11 KJB)  If we do sin, we can come boldly to the throne of Grace for we also have a Priest that always intercedes for us. (Hebrews 4:14-16; Hebrews 7:24-28).
           
          I hope this helps.  My Hope and Faith is in Christ Jesus and I rest assured in His Grace.  Have a good day.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 I’m not the best typist nor the best speller but I did mean sin instead of sign.  Thank you for your understanding and patience.

        • Rose Palmer

          Kiss, yes …….

  • RalphZ

    @thethinman  You said, “”I” think you are both funny.  THAT being said – Christianity was NOT Created by Jesus the Messiah – Kristos in Greek, Christ in English.  Christianity was created by the “apostle” Paul.”  We were first called Christians in Antioch “And then he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”  Acts 11:26.  It meant followers of Christ and was more of an insult but to those that follow Christ, it is not .  If you want to believe a lie, then it is your choice.  You have the verse and now is the time to think about it.  Have a good day and remember SMILE!  It’ll really drive other crazy.  My Alice always thinks I’m up to something when I smile because she says I have a mischievous twinkle in my eye.  Oh well.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ  @thethinman Wrong again as usual – God did

      • RalphZ

        @RobertAlexander  @thethinman Again you say something but gire no example or where I was wrong.  Prove it or admit you are just being argumentative. Also, if you continue to stat that someone is wrong without showing where you disagree, then I pray that people will just quit responding to your responses.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @thethinman You’re wrong all over the map mixing truth with error… shall I write a book? I think not… had you been with integrity we could reason things out.
           
          Once again, if you like we can begin with a subject and proceede from there.
           
          The question I’d like to begin is WHAT Measures do we use and HOW in order to know our interpretation is in ALIGNMENT with GOD?
           
          Hopefully that’s simple enough for you to understand and begin.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RalphZ @RobertAlexander @thethinman It is not unusual for some to use scriptures to back up their bizarre view of the world and their actions in reaction to their views. You can justify just about anything by how you chose to interpret them.

        • Dennis822

          It is also not unusual for MANY!! to use the statement you just gave ,to follow the lusts of their own heart and wickedness of their flesh.Blaming man for his faults, does in no way ,change the word of YAHWEH(GOD).

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 Please expound and expand on what you are stating.

        • Dennis822

          What more needs to be said? Because people dont like what is being said and want their ears tickled,the feelgoodism of churches today.People blame the man speaking instead of actually listening,praying,researching what is being shared.There is much arroagnce and pride here on this forum.

        • RalphZ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @thethinman Yes, scripture can be used to justify anything if you twist it, but to me scripture is pretty straight forward and it is very hard not to see the twist.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RalphZ @Kissitgoodbye @RobertAlexander @thethinman Ralph, I’m not saying that the scripture supported the action, merely that it was used in a destructive way. You can see what you want in a lot of things. Charles Manson used Beatle songs to carry out his mission. Some can take things literally to justify the unimaginable.

        • RalphZ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RalphZ  @Kissitgoodbye  @RobertAlexander  @thethinman Thanks Kiss.  It cleared up my misunderstanding.  Have a good day.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RalphZ @RobertAlexander @thethinman I remember reading about a couple who were arrested on child abuse. They were using “Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child”. The abuse was horrendous, and yet they thought of themselves as just being “Good Christians”.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RalphZ @RobertAlexander @thethinman Just want to let you know that I find your respect for others, refreshing. I admire that! It comes through in your writing.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @Kissitgoodbye  @thethinman Get two or three witnesses is best and not to pit it against another and if it seem contrary at first, re-investigate

        • RobertAlexander

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @thethinman KIssG – can try, but not with integrity. Do you know how to ferret out the truths of scripture?
           
          The question I’d like to begin is WHAT Measures do we use and HOW in order to know our interpretation is in ALIGNMENT with GOD?
           
          Perhaps a better question is FIRST OFF, how do we determine if our thinking is aligned with Gods? Please list 1 point at a time until we have agreement.

        • RalphZ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @thethinman Kiss, did you mean me?  Ralph?  I’m not use to this if you are.  IF you knew how I was raised and other things, you would understand.  Have a good day.

        • RalphZ

          @RobertAlexander  @thethinman No answer to my question?

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ  @thethinman Using the OT alone, why did Father come in the flesh as Jesus to die.
           
          That will answer the pathway for most questions to be solved.

        • Kissitgoodbye

          @RalphZ @RobertAlexander @thethinman Yes Ralph, I meant you. Even when you disagree , you are respectful.

        • RalphZ

          @Kissitgoodbye  @RalphZ  @RobertAlexander  @thethinman Kiss, thank you for the compliment.  Having a Dad who was an Army DI teaches you respect but also teaches you to stand your ground until you are knocked on your but and can’t get back up.  That with a Granddad who tells you to read the Bible starting with Proverbs and I’m still learning, you learn or have ingrained by force to be respectful plus what Christ taught in the Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12 & Luke 6:31 KJB).  The verse I’m trying to concentrate on in Proverbs is Proverbs 18:13 “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”  It’s harder then it sounds.  Especially when you want to answer as fast as possible. Oh well. Patience is not easy but necessary.  Have a good day.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ@Kissitgoodbye@thethinman
          Consider the context:
          Proverbs 18.1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.
           
          John 7.51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
           
          Proverbs 19.1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.
           
          I Corinthians 15.36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

        • Rose Palmer

          @Dennis822  Yes, there is much arrogance, especially in Washinton. I am not arrogant,  I love my country & want to see it back where it was before the past 3? not sure, elections. Obama is the worst thing that ever happened to America, he is a Kenyan & should go back where he belongs. Him & all his radical plans, taxes, jobs & humanity, just to name a few.

        • NavyJR

          @Rose Palmer I believe we need to go back a lot further than that; probably to before Wilson’s regime a century ago.  Before the Federal Reserve, and income tax {JUST for the rich!}, at least; possibly even to before the Civil War’s end when our Constitution was revised and DC was incorporated!

  • RalphZ

    @RobertAlexander The reason the woman was not condemned was for two reasons.  The first was that they would have to take her outside the gates of the city to stone her.  Second, the most important reason, is that the man was not with her.  If she had truly been taken in the very act of Adultery, the man would have been with her and would also have been under condemnation.  A quick reading of Leviticus 20:10 will give you the main reason, “And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death”, (reference also Deuteronomy 22:22 KJB). Have a good day.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ So Jesus was too lazy? So Jesus BOWS to the surrounding circumstances of men?
       
      Why WAS the MAN not with them?

      • RalphZ

        @RobertAlexander I did not state Jesus was “lazy” nor that Jesus “BOWS” to the surrounding circumstances of men.  You are twisted and don’t even read what a person writes.  Just because they might be right, you are offended if it does not meet with your level of venom.
         
        Why the man was not with them, is not said, so any answer I give will be pure subjection.  Without the man, the woman could not be condemned and these men knew it.  Only someone sinless could have judged her heart and Christ is God in the flesh and sinless.  He could have condemned her because he knew the truth but he did not because according to the law, he would be wrong in doing so.  There were plenty of witnesses but the important point of having the man was missing.  Don’t like my answer, then ask yourself why and then take a good look at your heart.  Your words come across as hateful and full of venom. Maybe you need to work on your communications.  Think about it and hopefully you have a better day.

        • RobertAlexander

          @RalphZ You can do better, stick with BIBLICAL TRUTH, use the law lawfully ralphz —- what was, according to LAW the requirement, and what was the judgment to reflect in this type of event which transpired?
           
          No CONJECTURE, & no dancing around the issue Ralphz – WHAT sayeth God?

  • RalphZ

    @Russian55 God gave us His Holy Word and man is the one who twists it to mean what he wants it to mean.  The best example I can give is the new translations that change the meaning of God’s Holy Word.  They have an agenda that has been going on since the last Apostle died.  Origen, a praised theologian by some, did not believe Jesus was God in the flesh but a created being, like an angel.  Now we have versions which again start to teach this by removing or downgrading by changing verses that show the Godhood of Christ.  A Good example is the changing of 1 Timothy 3:16 and taking out the word “God” and replacing it with “Who, Jesus, He, etc” and in a lot of the footnotes stating that some manuscripts have “God” there.  This is a lie and that is putting it mildly.  Out of 252 manuscripts of 1 Timothy, not counting the partials and scraps, only one does not have “God” there.  Kind of eye opening because there are other places that lie in the footnotes as well as don’t even footnote the changes in other places.
     
    The best thing to do is read the Bible without any footnotes in it or explanations several times and keep good notes and then decide for yourself.  I recommend the old King James for they did do an excellent job of translating word for word and when they add a word(s) they placed it in italics to show that it was added to give the full meaning or to make it match the syntax of english.  I think that’s a good way of explaining it.  Religions are man made to reach out to God, and hold onto him.  But God through Christ reaches down to us and those that come to him in faith, he holds onto because our grip is weak and falters.
     
    I hope I’ve explained it enough to get you thinking and I pray that God will open your eyes to his majesty and fearfulness for as one of my favorite verses state, “The fer of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7 KJB) and I link it with 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of Truth.”  as well as Hosea 4:6 and Isaiah 34:16 KJB.   Have a good day.

  • RalphZ

    @Dennis822 The Bible does talk about a drought of God’s Holy Word, (“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor of thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.” Amos 8:11-12.  This could mean the silent period after the last prophet in Israel died.  The 400 years of silence until Christ was born. Then you have the old favorite of all found in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJB.  I think there is another reference but I can’t remember it.  One of these days I’ll get all my notes gathered together and put them on a CD, then I’ll be able to search them to find what I need.  Hope this was helpful.  Have a good day.

    • RobertAlexander

      @RalphZ@Dennis822
      Micah 3
      1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
      2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
      3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
      4 Then shall they cry unto יהוה (YAH,) but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
      5 Thus saith יהוה (Yahweh) concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
      6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
      7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of Elohim (God.)
      8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of יהוה (Yah,) and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
       
      Hosea 3:
      3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
      4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
      5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek יהוה (Yahweh) their Elohim (God,) and David their king; and shall fear יהוה (Yah) and his goodness in the latter days. 
       
       
      Zephaniah 3:
      1 Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
      2 She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in יהוה (Yah;) she drew not near to her Elohim (God.)
      3 Her princes within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.
      4 Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.
       
      II Chronicles 15.3 Now for a long season Israel hath been without the true Elohim, and without a teaching priest, and without law. 4 But when they in their trouble did turn unto יהוה (YAH) Elohim (GOD) of Israel, and sought him, he was found of them.

  • RalphZ

    @Russian55 We are paying for health care for people that refuse to buy it for themselves and that believe it is their right to have.  We pay for abortion even if we don’t  believe it is right for the government to provide it and it is not plainly stated as the right to Freedom of Speech and Religion.
     
    As to the states carters given by England, they were not used due to their support for the King.  But read their Constitutions that made them states.  You will find a totally different attitude then what is today.

  • Rose Palmer

    Start w/ ONE what? I don’t know what you are talking about, if you want my opinion, give me the courtesy of the question. I will say this, Obama is the worst president in my life time, nothing will change my mind on that issue.

  • protectliberty

    INTERESTING ADULTS UNDER 30 YEARS OLD ARE LESS CONCERNED — YET THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE IN THE WORKFORCE FOR THE MANY YEARS REQUIRED TO COLLECT THE TAXES NEEDED TO PAY THE DEBT OFF…..  TIME TO HAVE A TALK WITH THE YOUNG ADULTS ABOUT FUTURE USA DEBT PLANNING….
     
    Gallup poll
     
    A majority of those in all key subgroups expect the fiscal cliff to hurt their own financial situation.
     
    Pre-retirement-age adults (those 50 to 64 years old) are more likely to anticipate damage to their finances than are young adults (those 18 to 29 years old).
     
    Also, Democrats are less likely than Republicans to say the fiscal cliff will negatively affect their personal finances.
     
     
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159170/americans-fiscal-cliff-harmful-own-finances.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics
     
     
    LOOK AT THE POLL ABOVE… WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
     
    DO THE TAXPAYERS UNDER THE AGE OF 30 THINK CHINA WILL FORGIVE THE DEBT?
     
    ARE THE TAXPAYERS UNDER THE AGE OF 30 NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR FUTURE TAX BURDEN?
     
    HAVE THE PROGRESSIVES INSTRUCTORS IN SCHOOLS TAUGHT THE CHILDREN THAT PROCRASTINATION IS THE ANSWER TO FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS?
     
    WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE AMERICAN YOUTH?
     
    ==============> ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER?

  • ptefft

    protectliberty.  This is a huge problem and what do we do about it.   Everytime someones complains about more taxes out of their paycheck, I remind them of who likes to raise taxes on the public.  The Democrats are the tax and spend political party and Obama said the middle class would not see a tax increase.  Well the truth is everyone can expect at least a $2500 increase this year alone.  Whats coming is a big question to.