Obama Spends $967 Million to Create 10 Solar Energy Jobs

President Barack Obama has spent billions of taxpayer dollars trying to kill the oil industry in favor of green energy.  The shutdown of Solyndra has become the poster child of Obama’s failed green energy program.

So perhaps Obama will start touting the success of the Aqua Caliente Solar Project in Yuma, Arizona.  Yuma is one of the sunniest places in America averaging 350 sunny days a year out 365.  Located in the Lower Sonoran Desert in the southwestern corner of Arizona, there are miles of open and nearly barren desert, making it an ideal place to build the world’s largest solar panel power generating system.

Aqua Caliente Solar Project covers nearly 2,400 acres of desert land.  Its construction took several years and is projected to produce 350 MW of power, enough to service about 225,000 homes in California.  President Obama helped secure $967 million in federal loans for the construction and start-up of ACSP.  Currently, Aqua Caliente has 10 permanent employees, which means that it cost US taxpayers nearly $100 million per permanent job.

Perhaps I should note at this point that Yuma has an unemployment rate of 26.1%, one of the highest, if not the highest in the nation.  Aqua Caliente is supposed to be completed later this year and at that time they plan on having 16 permanent jobs at the facility which still means it cost taxpayers $60.4 million per job.

Now contrast Yuma with Midland, Texas.  Midland sits on top of a huge shale oil and uses fracking to extract the oil. Between 2009 and 2011, the Texas town saw a 25% increase per capita income which is more than three times the national average.  What is the unemployment rate in Midland you ask?  Try 2.9% unemployment, the lowest of any metro area in the nation.  How much in federal guaranteed loans did Midland get?  After a little research, I couldn’t find any.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe there is a lot of potential for solar energy and it is a huge plus for the environment since it produces no pollutants.  I question the cost of building huge solar power plants like Aqua Caliente.

Nearly 40 years ago, a gentleman in our church worked developing solar technology.  On his own, he built a relatively small solar unit in his backyard that only cost him several thousand dollars at the time.  He lived in a big three-story house with lots of windows and in the Arizona sun, that is normally an air conditioning nightmare.  His solar panel unit was so efficient that during the summer, he kept his house nice and cool and had excess power that he sold back to the electric company.

If that technology existed 40 years ago, then why does it cost nearly a billion dollars to build a facility like Aqua Caliente?

When you weigh all the marbles, it seems like the oil industry in Midland is a far better economic boon than the solar energy industry of Yuma.  Oil produces more jobs, more income per family and isn’t costing taxpayers a billion dollars.  I don’t see the creation of 16 jobs at the cost of a billion dollars doing much to reduce unemployment or raise the local average income of a community.  But if Obama had his way, fracking would be banned and he would try to turn Midland into another Yuma.  That’s progress according to our president.







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  • LABobE

    Mr. Jolly, I realize that truth & facts mean little to you or your readers but the government program that funded solyndra was set up by Dubya.

    • corneliusvansant

      The market, not politicians will determine successful forms of energy. As long as consumers have choice, sustainables must compete – and so far they cannot. “(T)trying to kill” may be hyperbole, but the product that relies on government subsidy will fail unless it quickly creates demand. Renewables have been crushed by scandal that has rocked the APG theory scientist/politicians. Together with the climate failing to cooperate with predictions has crushed the credibility of the – sky is falling – (pinko) crowd.

      • LABobE

        97% of climate experts (around the world) agree humans are causing global warming. Is this the “pinko crown” you speak of? Why does this teabag theory that “a product that relies on government subsidy will fail unless it quickly creates demand” not apply to farmers????

        • chamuiel

          97% of paid Government climate experts.

          the gays thought up this/

          Wow!, I did not know that.

        • LABobE

          I LOVE tea bag logic!!!!! 97% of scientists AROUND THE WORLD have got together or been paid off to create a global warming hoax to crash the world economy but thanks to god we got the 3% of deniers funded by oil or coal companies to tell us the truth!!!!

        • chamuiel

          thank you for admitting that you love gay logic.You should, being one.

        • bilejones

          And your sources for this mickey mouse 97% number?

        • Doc Holliday

          Please list sources.

        • LABobE

          evidence, & facts are something most people here reject. perhaps you’re different
          http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm

        • mac12sam12

          The 97% figure is bogus. That was a study from the Geophysical Union (AGU) survey. They sent out questionnaires to 10,000 climate scientists and 3400 responded. A vast majority of the scientists said man had nothing to do with the climate. It hasn’t even warmed in the past 17 years, in fact it’s gone up 1 degree. That’s why UN scientists changed it from global warming to ”climate change. The government selected some scientists who agreed with them and called them the 97%. BS!!

        • LawtonOkie

          99% of homosexual experts (around the world, and Malibu) say you are a queer, but you deny it. I tend to agree with the experts.

    • chamuiel

      boobee, I see you are still obsessed by all things gay.

      you never did answer, which do you prefer to be? The baggee, or the bagger?

      • LABobE

        Neither but I know you prefer to be the “bagger” ALL teabagger’s do! That’s why they are teabaggers!

        • chamuiel

          No, No they are the tea party, only you gays are tea baggers.

          you know this.

        • Webb

          Name Calling…..Great!

    • chamuiel

      truth and facts mean little to obot atheist gay democrats like yourself.

      why do you always get that wrong?

    • mac12sam12

      You are wrong about Solyndra and Bush. The Bush administration turned Solyndra down for any government assistance. Stop insulting the Tea Party. They want the government to be run according to the constitution, and if you disagree with that, you are what’s wrong with this declining country. In the 1st stimulus, Obama wasted 90 billion on bankrupt green energy companies. Clean renewable energy is in the distant future.

  • abinico

    And how many billions of taxpayer dollar does the F-22 cost? And how many billions have been wasted on Irag, Afghanistan, and other crapholes around the world. Why is that waste OK and solar waste is not?

    • [email protected]

      It’s easy to see you are a Libtard. Try defending our country witha solar panel. Obama’s foreign policy is working just great. We are fools to ther rest of the world. Also, the aircraft industry provides thousands of jobs in the production and maintenance. Obama likes to waste money, try looking at his and his families vaction cost to the tax payers.

      • LABobE

        conservatives rage about the cost of Obama’s trips, NEVER a PEEP about ALL the vacations Dubya made including 7 trips to Africa all on the taxpayers’ dime. It’s funny how conservatives don’t utter a peep about Dubya dishing out more than ten times the amount of taxpayer money on aid than Obama has!

        • [email protected]

          Pres. Bush took most of his vacations to his ranch. Not like the Obummers who travel with all their homies. Foreign aid is one thing, Obama waste is another. Worst president since Carter, He makes Carter look good. The Bush family has more class in their little fingers than Obama’s family ever hoped to have.

        • LABobE

          Just how is Obama worst then Dubya? Dubya inherited a reasonably good economy with a budget surplus and in 8 short years he collapsed Our Banks, Mortgage Industry, Housing Market, Stock Market, Credit Market,
          Construction Market and Auto Industry + lied us into a war in which he underestimated the cost by several TRILLION DOLLARS ( which he put on a credit card) & cost us the blood of some of our finest. Obama inherited the WORST economy since the great depression & now the stock market has DOUBLED, corporate profits are at ALL TIME HIGHS, Real estate values are up 35%, we’re adding jobs (instead of losing 800,000 per month) we have a budget surplus, we’re out of Iraq, Ben Laden is dead, etc, etc, etc,

        • [email protected]

          Clinton just happened to be in office during the internet explosion which created great wealth. It was also he who insisted on giving home loans to people without jobs and under employed who had no chance of repaying their loans. GW happened to take office as this collapsed, and with it the US economy. G may have made some bad mistakes but his heart was in the right place. Obama is out to destroy this country. How safe do you feel now ?

        • chamuiel

          Because obama tooik a bad situation, and is making it much worse whill liging in largesse at the taxpayers expense.

          Boobee, I see you are still not much on logic, but then you never were when it came time to show your love for hussein.

        • Webb

          $7 TRILLION DOLLARS ADDED TO THE NATIONAL DEBT……Obama Wanted That Poor Economy, He Was Going to Perform CHANGE……Problem Is, WE ARE All More Broke Today!!

        • LawtonOkie

          The big difference is that Bush is a patriot who loves America, Obama is not a patriot and does not love America. He is a traitor who only loves himself, the communists, and of course, his faggot supporters, like you, Bobbie. And he especially loves Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, your very, very good buddy, Barney Frank and Chrissy Dodd, the idiots who were responsible for the collapse. You already know this, Bobbie, but you still stupidly blame GW.

        • bilejones

          By ranch, of course you mean the pig farm that he bought as part of the election theater and sold as soon as his regime was over.

        • chamuiel

          the majority of bushes vacations were to his own ranch in crawford,Texas.

          does obama have a ranch?

          Boobee, you ole atheist skin sack of rotting meat, is that you, you ole troll?

        • LawtonOkie

          I hear Obama is looking for ranch property on Brokeback Mountain (where I am sure you will be a frequent guest, Bobbie). Maybe they will put your faces on the side of the mountain.

      • bilejones

        “Defending out Country” from what, dipshit?
        The people that the country needs defending from are the thieves and looters at the Federal Reserve and the warmongering morons in DC.

        • [email protected]

          Defending ourselves from those who waste our money on solar panel at ten time what we can buy them for from China, and then they don’t work. Our politicians are our worst enemies.

    • LABobE

      The F-22 ONLY wasted $70 BILLION! The F-35 is going to cost over $1 TRILLION!!!! That’s a lot of money for a plane that cannot fly at night or in “bad weather”!!!

      • chamuiel

        and how much has been wasted already on solar, with more to come?

        Boobee, you must suffer from attention deficit disorder.

        You just cannot stay on subject.

      • Doc Holliday

        Please list your sources.

    • chamuiel

      Why is solar waste o.k. to you? silly wabbit!

    • chamuiel

      You had rather waste money on Solar? Really?

      why do you want to waste money, period?

  • MarcJ

    Producing electricity at Ivanpah is a delicate ballet of sun and mirrors.
    The mirrors, mounted on frames known as heliostats, wake in the morning from their stowed position and focus the sun on the towers under the guidance of a central computer. The computer positions each mirror, taking into account the time of year, where the sun is on the horizon and the expected time of sunrise.

    Each mirror has an assigned focus area based on a mathematical model. If the mirror is not on target, it is repositioned by an
    electronic motor that emits an audible chirp with each adjustment, a digital pulse that telegraphs its position to the computer.

    Because of the Earth’s movement through the day, corrections need to be made every 10 minutes. An infrared camera trained on
    each of the plant’s three boilers determines how much energy each section of the receiver is generating and, if needed, the computer will change the heliostat alignment to ensure the proper temperature.

    At Ivanpah, the quality of steam is an important issue. Massive evaporators remove water droplets from saturated steam because, to
    protect the spinning turbine blades and for peak efficiency, the vapor must be nearly devoid of moisture. Dave Beaudoin, project manager for NRG, bragged that the plant’s steam is “more pure than angel tears.”

    Depending on the conditions, not all the mirrors are aimed at the boiler. These spare mirrors are ordered to focus on a single point in
    the air near the boiler. It is this concentrated light that sometimes creates a misty gauze around the towers.

    On the ground, the mirror field encircles the tower but not in concentric rings. Instead, the pylons have been laid out in a random pattern to avoid casting shadows on other mirrors. As the sun sets each night, the field of mirrors goes into a slow-motion shutdown. After spending the day in pursuit of the sun, the mirrors fold up for the night like a field of drooping flowers, placed in mechanical sleep until another dawn.”

    Note: there is no mention in this article of the regular afternoon desert breezes carrying dust and settling on those mirrors, thus
    drastically cutting their efficacy. And of the need to wash them periodically with strong water jets (water in the desert?) and then dry them manually with cloth towels – by an army of illegal aliens living in desert tents?

    • chamuiel

      In an area, already scarce in water resources, where does the water come from/

  • GRAMPA

    Moneys spent on the nations defense which is the first and primary function of this government Moneys spent on the defence of our oil flow that could be eliminated is indeed a waste. What I do not hear is with all the noise that says we are creating “green ” jobs is the effect it will have on the environment? The most efficent solar panel output as of my last research is 22 percent. This is maxim in full sun
    The manufactuer of these cells use some of the most toxic elements and compounds on earth. Who is laying out the plans for the disposal of the spent and broken cells? do we wait until we have toxins leaching into our water before we make plans? Is this feather than our government can see or plan ahead to truly protect the people. I am an electrical contractor and install these units. The safety has always been the goal of the electrical council. Anyone who tries to install these panels by any standard other than the NEC will subject themselves to a condition that leaves them , their home and the lives of their loved one in danger. The danger of shock or electrocution resulting in death is very real. These panels produce voltages and current that can kill when unhooked to any circuit. Our bodies can die from as little as four milliamps of current under idle conditions. Introduce a body wet with sweat and our resistance goes down increasing the danger. Safety is always first and we hear nothing about this from our government just how wonderful this is and how it will save the world. I know I have gone on a rant but I am concerned for the lives of those who will try to install these devices.
    I am not saying that they can be beneficial to mankind but the primary job of our government is to protect its people. If I get only one to get the job done safely I will have done what I wrote this for.
    grampa

    • LABobE

      After the F-22 debacle in which our military spent $70 BILLION on a fighter plane that cannot fly at night or in “bad weather” we’re now spending $1.5 TRILLION on the F-35 which is plagued by design flaws and cost overruns AND It flies only in good weather!!!

      • GRAMPA

        Design of aircraft rarely work the first time. All the areas that worked before go badly when only small things are changed. Our major problem is we dont have a system that develops its aircraft’s on a continuous basis but with someone looking at what another country has done and says we need to top that and yesterday. these people behind the desk think that they only need to say I want and it can be done. We have some of the best design people in the world but miracles take one day longer. Our country is notorious for waste and design faults. Being in the Navy Air force I have chance to see what this aircraft will do. The list of what it cant do is also long but anything that is mechanical can be repaired. I do agree we need control of the waste in our government. However when we ask someone to put their life on the line we should try to give them the best advantage we can.
        grampa

      • chamuiel

        So, in response you want to spend more billions on solar panels that are only 22% effective.

        ah, the non logic of the left

        what do fighter jets have to do with solar?

        hint: nothing..

        • abinico

          The very best internal combustion engine is only 20% efficient under IDEAL conditions; efficiency is less in real world. But the greatest advantage of solar is the lack of externalities. For example, gas engines require a constantly running, fuel consuming infrastructure to support it – solar panels do not, other than an occasional wipe down with windex.

        • Skeptical_Boomer

          And you can’t possibly meet our energy needs with solar. The only thing keeping the solar industry alive is that it is heavily subsidized by government and would go belly up without tthe subsidies.

        • GRAMPA

          I can see your point of view but I can see the potential. I have experienced the time of having a radio to the cellphone in my hand. yes the photocells are only 22% efficient. When they started they were two percent. We progress. I have seen TV come from a ten inch CinemaScope black and white in a set that took two men and a boy to lift to sixty inch screens that are light enough to hang on the wall. all this in seventy years. the one thing I have learned is I dont say cant. It will happen. Yes we have subsidies and sometimes it is worse for development than with private. When it is government funded they will do only what is expected. that way they say give us more and we can develop further. It is very true that these companies fail because they dont manage the money wisely You are spot on on that one. We will or at least you will see it.
          Grampa

        • Skeptical_Boomer

          I agree with you Grampa. We will see it as soon as it is economically viable and can compete price wise with fossil fuels. As fossil fuels become more scarece and thus, more expensive, alternative energies will be able to compete and progress in the research and development will increase and eventually bring the cost down.

        • GRAMPA

          Even with fossil fuels their scarcity is and has been artificially created. President Clinton removed the cleanest coal from our market because it bordered a national park. I can remember the air in Detroit burning my eyes growing up. if you traveled two miles out of Detroit you could not see the skyline. Now you can see the tops of the buildings from ten miles out. they have made great improvements. Our private lands have increased greatly while our government has closed all federal land to oil production. We import only 5% of our oil Why is it they control our prices? We need improvement in all areas of efficiency mainly in our government. We need dedicated people like yourself that pays attention to what is going on. the misinformation released by our government is just overwhelming. i am an information hog and always want more and the best I can get. if you see that i got something wrong dont hesitate to let me know. I dont want to spread crap that our government does. so please speak up at 70 I got thick skin and you wont hurt my feelings. the only thing I find is that I should have picked my friends more carefully. dont waste time or effort on people with narrow minds who form opinions on little or irrational information. Always demand proof and then check it over again. I am beginning to see the younger generation( for me that is everyone) is not accepting what our government is pushing for truth. I see your questions and I like what I see you will do well.
          Grampa

        • Skeptical_Boomer

          I have read many of your posts here and you show
          yourself to be well informed and wise. I share your distrust of government and hence the name Skeptical Boomer.

        • GRAMPA

          glad you are on my side. we need dedicated people most I try to inform resort to name calling.
          thanks for reading my ramble
          Grampa

        • Tesla_X

          WRONG.

          http://www.ecomagination.com/portfolio/jenbacher-j920-flextra-large-gas-engine

          Over 48% electrical, better than 85% with use of engine heat.

          It can also do something solar cannot.

          Run when the grid is down.

          You get a “D” for dunce dude!

        • GRAMPA

          When the grid is down how do the refineries function? When a refinery goes down it takes weeks to regain its function even if nothing was wrong and only the electrical power was removed. the reactions that depend on a very precise regulation of heat is interrupted. I am a Master electrician with fifty years of experience and our grid is antiquated and overloaded. We are highly vulnerable to any form of outage. Our nation will come to a standstill and many will die for the temporary power provided bu alternate sources are just that Temporary and ment to be used with limited loads. Solar itself is not the answer for our best cell output is 22 percent and that is under full sun. Cells by themselves cannot power a home. Batteries are also another problem for a standard auto battery can only be discharged to approximately 80 percent. Further discharge will damage it. the batteries for these systems that are designed for this use are expensive and require a lot of power to recharge. Should we give up on these systems NO With that attatude we would still be using horses. Arguments can be made on both views and we should always listen to them all for that is the only way we will be able to move forward and develop these cells to a point where they will support a home which would be great. but on the downside we would get the government try a way to tax your use of the sun. At the moment government is the problem for they have taxed our power use enough that has limited profits that cause postponement of infrastructure repair and improvement.
          Thanks to all for reading my rant.
          Grampa

          PS If I make mistakes please correct !!

        • Tesla_X

          Gramps, nothing wrong I can see other than the choice of your emergency power.

          Use combos of diesel backup generators and natural gas generation to run off grid in emergencies. A well designed transfer switching mechanism will smooth transitions between on and off grid as needed.

          You only go down if you’re unprepared.

          Plan accordingly and expect trouble.

        • GRAMPA

          I have been an electrician and master contractor for fifty years and I have seen many improvements in our appliances. What I haven’t seen is an increase in the generating capacity. Our infrastructure has not kept up with usage. the normal rule of thumb is you design the system to operate at seventy percent maxed out.
          This is why we are heading for a catastrophic failure. If a portion of the grid goes down we dont have enough to provide from the rest. When we reach a point of overload it is designed to disconnect to protect the system. The last time everything shut down as the overloads happened. We have modified somewhat now for they will cut circuits ahead of the overloads and have a much better chance of limiting the outage. The one thing I tell everyone over and over that home install systems are dangerous. safety is the biggest problem when people will cut costs. My customers dont realize the photocells generate power in even dim light. the skin resistance falls when you swet and provide greater danger of electrocution. Now I am preaching again,but it only comes natural. I am now seventy and have all my fingers and toes because of safety. In all my years I haven’t had one fatality. I have had the opportunity to see the progression from the wall hung crank telephone to the cell in my pocket. I have plowed a field with a horse and have driven a dragster. We have the potential of a good future but we now have a barrier. The government is wanting control and the control they provide giver us restriction not progression. We need to change.
          Grampa

        • abinico

          Those numbers a neocon nonsense. You get an ‘A+’ for gullibility.

        • Tesla_X

          You got a link to a US manufacturer of engines with data sheets you can read and confirm for yourself.

          Not my problem if you are blinded by liberal stupidity or never learned to read basic math.

        • woonsocket

          …and you get one for offering nothing in its place.

        • Steven

          You are using BS numbers. The WORST internal combustion engine is FAR more efficient than you claim. The AVERAGE vehicle powered by an internal combustion engine is 20% efficient IN TOTAL. That means the engine itself MUST be at least twice that efficient. MOST of the energy loss is due to other parts of the vehicle.

      • Doc Holliday

        Sources please.

      • Frank J. Austin

        Ahh, a homosexual AND aviation expert !

        • GRAMPA

          Remarks that degrade and have no basis in fact prove one does not have the mental capacity to make a valid argument. Best sit and look stupid than open ones mouth and prove it. if I am wrong i welcome the criticism for what I don’t know will fill books. Time is to short to bother with things that have no meaning.
          Grampa

        • Frank J. Austin

          With all due respect GRAMPA, I happen to AGREE with what YOU posted. I have a bit of aviation background . The problems described are relative to the avionics systems, not the aircraft itself. Please look again at my comment and you will notice by the arrow to the right of my name, that My derogatory comment was directed to LABob, not you.

        • Frank J. Austin

          Furthermore, LABob deserves NO respect. I will now sit and look stupid…

        • LawtonOkie

          I agree with you, Frank. I, too am guilty of giving LABob hell, and I also believe that he has it coming. He deserves no respect at all.

        • GRAMPA

          I understand but it is the derogatory comments made frequently by many We need to point our anger away from our fellow citizens. I like information I was an AX in the navy I assisted airframes with the xrays and learned much but what I dont know would fill books.
          Grampa

      • Skeptical_Boomer

        Typical argument when you have no argument BoobE. “Our guys are stupid crooks but your guys are stupid crooks too”
        . Government has no business “investing” in private enterprises. If government tax breaks are eliminated, the entire solar energy industry will go belly up.

        • woonsocket

          …and we’ll have nothing. It will be ten times more expensive to create alternative energy if we do nothing but wait for every energy resource to be used up. That fracking is polluting groundwater and soil in the surrounding land. Americans will have to move where clean water is available.

        • Skeptical_Boomer

          94% of electricity in 2013 came from dams, reactors, and fossil fuels. Solar is not viable on a wide scale. Until alternative energy sources become economically viable, they will not be successful and should not be propped up with tax dollars. As current energy sources become scarcer, the price will rise, making alternative sources more competitive. Government cannot force the issue and should not try. It leads to waste and corruption.

    • zagozana

      We have larger military than most other countries in the world.put together!
      You are very right to worry about the dangers. Wars are more dangerous.
      Compared to plutonium and other radioactive element, these
      chemical you describe in solar technologies are far less dangerous.
      Once solar is used it last many. many years. We need to make it safer,
      The government can help if needed.
      OIL IS LIMITED AND GREEDY COMPANIES OFTEN CUT CORNERS LIKE BP.
      Coal, by the way, is slightly radioactive and the soot is easy to breath in.

      • chamuiel

        why should the Government (ie: taxpayers subsidise solar power.

        most taxpayers do not benefit from solar, so why should we have to pay for i?

        you logic makes no sense.

        No,, Government should not subsidise Solar.

        compare the size of our Military with that of the Chinese, and try to repeat your falsehood, again.

        • LABobE

          China spends $166 billion on military, Russia $90 billion. We spend $800 BILLION!!!!!

        • zagozana

          Thank you for the documentation…

        • chamuiel

          Wow! I love the viewpoint of a leftist gat atheist. It just makes so little sense.

          How you doing Bobbee/ Still spreading your cancer, I see.

          And from your viewpoint The above statement is reason for the U.S. to stop spending money on our Military?

        • Webb

          KEEPING AMERICA STRONG…..Thats The Point and The Only Thing that Government should do, to keepUS Safe!!

        • LawtonOkie

          How do you know how much China and Russia pay on their military each year? They’re not going to release how much they spend. Of course, if you believe the lies that the Obama Dictatorship puts out there then you’re going to believe what the Chinese and Russian communists say, huh, Bobbie? After all Obama, the Chinese and the Russians are all in it together, all working to achieve the same goal, communism.

        • Frank J. Austin

          Are you the homo who writes Russia & China’s Checks ? If not, then how do you REALLY know what they spend

        • zagozana

          Why should the uber-wealthy oil companies who pay almost no taxes get subsidies? Thy made nearly a trillion dollars last year… Corporations won’t fund pure research and other government agencies like NASA does.

        • chamuiel

          Oil companies get subsidies of a total of 4 billion a yer.

          solar has received much more than that in one year.

          Oil is feasible.
          Solar is inefficient, and much more expensive than oil.

          also, all renewalables can only produce about 12% of the U.S.’s energy needs. Are you one of the 88% who are willing to give up what oil gives us?

          If so please start by giving up your keyboard that you use to type your garbage on.

          After all, it contains oil byproducts.

        • dmacid

          lol. So very true. People don’t realize how many things they use daily have oil products in them. Almost everything anymore.What are they willing to do without? Bet nothing being so spoiled because of oil products. Even the tires on their bikes & cars, tooth brush’s, clothing, shoes. TV just to name a few daily products.

        • woonsocket

          You just made a case for voting for Democrats. I want to keep having access to those oil-based products. When oil becomes scarce, where do you think all that oil will go towards? To fueling cars. That keyboard will become to expensive to buy just like all the other oil-based products that we depend on.

        • Webb

          Agree….AND WHY SHOULD WIND AND SOLAR GET SUBSIDIES, That Have Most Companies In the Last 5 Years went Bankrupt….Any OIl Companies Gone Bankrupt, Yet?

        • woonsocket

          You just made a case for voting for a Democrat. Over the years, Republicans have voted for billions in oil subsidies. That’s what is labelled, “CORPORATE WELFARE” & you support it every time you vote GOP.

        • Webb

          NO…..The Only case I make Is That No Subsidies To Any Energy Producing Companies….Period!! Yes > That Includes Oil as Well!

      • buckman21

        There is more coal,oil and natural gas under our own country’s land than we will ever need. Last at least 150 years, by then, I have faith new and improved technologies will come about. Not against different or new technology I am against demonizing existing ones and favoring others. That’s not what the free market or choice is about.

        • zagozana

          Coal is slightly radioactive.Mountain top removal is destroying huge areas of the Southeastern US. Oil companies are not to be trusted go be environmentally concerned. Fracking uses poisonous chemicals that are divulged by the companies that use them. If they are not something they want to cove up them we know thes chemicals are bad news.

        • Webb

          Put a Solar panel and a Wind Blade on a vehicle…..See How Far It Runs, can’t even Make it to Work!! Billions Wasted On Wind And Solar……Because Of Ideology…..Great!!

      • chamuiel

        there you are, you ole liberal leftist paid obot troll.

        • woonsocket

          The real “death spiral” is our dependence on oil.

      • GRAMPA

        I have seen one of the few times the government actually worked. i grew up in Detroit and we had an unregulated coal fired power plant One could see it in the air. When Edison was forced to install scrubbers our air noticeably cleared. The proof was in traveling east on ford road, one could see the city from out to telegraph road. They do work and well. This is the way our government is going to use to drive these power plants out of business. As for the manufactuer of photovoltaic the toxic products used are quanties that will need to be handled with care for some are actually water soluble and migrates to the water table easily. This industry does offer many advantages that will cut this nations power consumption. My question will our government wait until it becomes a crisis? We all know how the government likes to use a crisis. I dont think I can remember when they have used an ounce of prevention.
        grampa

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      As we all know the world we live in has turned upside down.
      What is good is now called evil. What is evil is now called
      good. God’s Word is now called “hate material” and talking
      about God’s laws is called “hate speech.” Lawlessness is
      increasing at every level. The wicked continue to push their
      evil upon us. Christians are being persecuted, arrested, beaten
      and jailed. Many Christians are being murdered in cold blood.
      Our liberties are being taken away from us. We are moving into
      a One World Government…..

      Pastor Kirk DiVietro and I have created a website that explains from
      God’s Word what is going on and where it’s all leading to.
      Our website is called: itshallcometopass dot org

      Respectfully, Ray

      • GRAMPA

        I shall look at this site.
        Grampa

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          :-)

        • GRAMPA

          My mind is turning to mush and not paying attention. I copy and past and it didnt work untill I saw the word dot..I sure need someone to watch out for me.. Thanks again
          grampa

  • Richard

    You can take the black man out of the jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of the black man, aka Niga.

    • LABobE

      Another Rand Paul speech writer????

      • Richard

        No. Actually I consider myself a true American not a butt licker, commonly known as a democrate.

        • LABobE

          You’re a “sack sucking” dimwitted, uneducated TEABAGGER!!! You can consider yourself whatever you want but the reality is you’re just a another bible thumping racist piece of garbage living in some southern state where the rest of the “white trash” live.

        • chamuiel

          Infantile name calling? I see you have never been able to get past that childish episode in you childhood.

      • chamuiel

        Another liberal paid obot / soros troll?

        • woonsocket

          We’re not paid and we don’t kiss up to billionaires.

      • chamuiel

        Is that why you are so angry? Paul would not have you?

    • LABobE

      I thought it was you can take your testicles out of a teabaggers’s mouth but you can’t take a teabaggers mouth off your testicles (or something like that).

      • Richard

        Why don’t we just say goodbye. You are not going to agree with me and I don’t want to say things I will regret. I hope you have a blessed day and hope your views on life come to fruition.

      • Ron

        Really, must you continue to be vulgar?

  • MIKE6080

    would have been better off just giving everyone in this country a million dollars to spend

    • chamuiel

      yep, and there would be no recession.

  • zagozana

    If all you wanted was to create jobs you’d want serfs…

    • Ron

      If jobs is what the were trying to create, hire a large group and give them windex and paper towels to the mirrors clean.

  • BaconNBeer

    If Obama had just given a million dollars to 967 people he could have said his policies had created 967 new millionaires not 16 jobs in the middle of nowhere.

    • LABobE

      Great logic!!!! If Obama would have given $1M to 7,000 people he would have created 7,000 millionaires instead of having 30 jet fighters that cannot fly!!!

      • chamuiel

        So, now obama is creating jet fighters that won’t fly?

        truth on your part……..priceless!

  • farang

    Apparently the author is unaware that the US Government gives “corporate welfare” to these oil companies while allowing them to dodge taxes all of us have to pay. Apparently the author is unaware of pollution costs, the costs of health care from that pollution, never heard of the Gulf of Mexico disaster, never heard of the EARTHQUAKES IN OHIO, OKLAHOMA and TEXAS even dumbed-down Texans are complaining about now.

    Odd, how he allows some church member was able to disconnect from the corporate grid, and sell back surplus solar energy…then turning around a few sentences later and telling us how great we all have it to pay $3.50 gallon for gas while Oil Corporation execs make $400 million/year, how they “create jobs”. They do NOT: the DEMAND for energy creates the market.

    Apparently, he very unaware of a lot of things…or…..

    • chamuiel

      apparently farang is unaware that that the U.S. Government gives corporate welfare to these solar companies.

      Apparently, farang is unaware of a lot of things..or……

      • Ron

        Also, apparently farang is unaware that ALL TAXES are paid by the consumer. ALL business, and corporate taxes are passed on to the consumer. (Think double taxation) So when you tax the oil companies another 100 billion, they just add it to the price of gas. That dirty oil has saved more lives that almost any other substance. If not for oil (plastic), heart surgery would be nearly impossible.

  • ABBAsFernando

    The MUSLIM SPY known as Obama is SPENDING America into SLAVERY!

    • woonsocket

      Then escape to another country. Americans are sick of the muslim talking opoints and slavery crap.

  • BenjiMac

    A solar power generating plant is not built to produce “jobs”, it is built to produce electricity. And the fewer workers it takes to maintain it, the better.
    Most of the expense was remote from the site, in the places where the parts were built. I hope this was not mostly as remote as China.
    The factory that was built to make the parts, would be expected to continue making parts for more power plants in more places indefinitely. These are the permanent jobs that should result from solar power, assuming that solar power is cost-effective on a long term basis. I do not know whether solar power will ever be cost-effective. I think the cost of solar panels now is high enough that it cannot be repaid by savings on other energy sources.
    The real question is whether, regardless of total price, a solar panel can produce as much electric power in its life to replace the electric power that was required to build the solar panel. I do not know the answer to that question.

    • chamuiel

      Benji, so the permanent jobs are in China?

  • Death2Unions

    America is witnessing an aggressive assault on freedoms, liberties, Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. The assault is building at lightening speed. Like buzzards circling above their bloody lunch. The President is obliterating our leadership position in the world. Now our enemies thumb their noses at us daily. With unfettered speed, our enemies are now embolden to reach nuclear missile capability. Our military has been gutted to the bone. Skyrocketing debt. America as a free nation is now a relic. Welfare and Food Stamps entrenching people into a life of poverty. Am I wrong? Am I missing something? I think not. What is it about being a Marxist State that enslaves its citizens that people can’t see? Does it take our blood flowing in the streets?

    • woonsocket

      Who’s political speech did you lift that from? You doon’t sound like an original thinker.

      • Death2Unions

        Woo. I have always been curious of how the liberal mind thinks and responds. All I see and hear is unhappiness out of you people. Indeed it boggles the mind. Reality sucks sometimes woo. Do you people wake up in the morning ready to see just how much you can destroy and attack people? The daily barrage of pabulum you all spew out daily is overwhelming. Truly sad. Truly pathetic more like it. No doubt, in the year 2047 when an acorn falls from an oak tree, Liberals will blame George Bush. Sadly Woo, you and your ilk are clueless to reality. You believe America is exempt from reality as well as history. Warning Woo, it is not. But you just sit there in you checkered pajamas with hot chocolate in your mug being angry at the world for not providing an equal outcome for everybody. Stop being a drain on society. You Man Child is a dedicated albeit un-admitted Marxist. Just a fact of life Woo. As far as I am concerned, he is an Enemy of the State. What does that make you?

  • Webb

    Solyndra..Cost Tax Payers, what $ 564 Million Dollars and One Plant In Mass. Cost Us $54 Million Dollars, Government Needs To Get Out of The Energy Business! Over The Last 5 1/2 years, Government Backed Solar has had 21 Companies File Bankruptcy, More Tax Dollars Lost, Because Government Knows,ZERO ABOUT ANY BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY SOLAR AND WIND!

    • woonsocket

      Why do you rather waste billions in subsidies to oil companies?

  • Enzo

    Read up how Iceland rounded up their banksters and politicians and sent them packing. They decided to go around the Rothchild’s banking syndicate and it’s working out quite well for them. Iceland decided to bail out the citizens, NOT the corrupt banksters. They’ve implemented a new banking system, their own.

  • T.j. Thomas

    “Currently, Aqua Caliente has 10 permanent employees, which means that it
    cost US taxpayers nearly $100 million per permanent job.”

    And that would be horrible if creating jobs was the only purpose to the solar plant. But since it is now providing electricity for much of southern Arizona and reducing the electric bills of thousands more, the cost becomes vastly more reasonable and understandable.

    People like the author of this article keep making the mistake of thinking that the funding for all of these projects was nothing more than for creating jobs. Granted that was one of the selling points, but the other major reason was to help improve the nation’s infrastructure, which was and in many places still is in desperate need of improving.

  • MarcJ

    Solar: unreliable, extremely expensive, and environmentally destructive. In the desert the regular afternoon breeze covers those panels with dust, reducing their efficiency drastically. Cleaning the panels at least weekly requires powerful water jets (in the desert?) and then drying by an army of illegal aliens equipped with towels. Solar power must be backed up all the time by conventional power plants ready
    to step in to counter passing clouds, cloudy days, nights. Building solar plants with energy storage (say, mountain lakes with water turbines) would raise your monthly electric bill from $120 to about $500. The above goes for both mirrors and photovoltaic panels. To fuel modern society by solar power is a sick pipedream by the would-be dictators.

    • woonsocket

      Then what do you think will help create green energy?

  • James

    Is this a Koch Brothers sponsored article?

    • LawtonOkie

      What were you looking for, a George Soros sponsored article?

      • James

        Oh you think Soros is the opposite of the Koch Brothers? You so funny.

        You think I am “liberal” for mocking the Kochs who spend millions to distort the election process.

        • LawtonOkie

          You’re either a liberal or a Ron Paul supporter. You’re certainly not a conservative. I don’t think, I know Soros contributes tons of money to the liberal communists. The Koch Brothers ranked #59 in contributions to the GOP. Of course you can’t dispute that, James. So, you don’t have any reason to talk about the Koch’s. Considering most of the donations to the liberal communist party are from Soros and marxist unions.

        • James

          I don’t know where you get your distorted “facts” from but I suspect it is from the Koch fieldworker’s handbook.

        • LawtonOkie

          Google my “distorted facts” and tell me what you find, bright boy. You don’t know what you are talking about. And please tell me, what end of the spectrum does Communism fall under?

        • James

          It is not my job to substantiate your distorted facts and I don’t care for communism so I leave the obsessing to you.

        • Ron

          Look it up, or shut up. Lawton is correct and it was in the news recently. The Koch Brothers ranked #59 in contributions to the GOP.

        • James

          Put up or shut up. Prove it or move it.

          Since you are reinforcing his argument, you supply his proof.

          Koch Brothers give money to the GOP and run their own propaganda machine. It is this machine which is distorting politics because it pushes their bizarre and antihuman agenda.

          My argument was never about the financing of the GOP. It was Okie’s strawman.

        • Ron

          OK, here it is. The Koch Brothers ranked #59 in contributions to the GOP. Here are several articles. And so what if they made contributions… your socialist, soros, made plenty too.

          https://www.google.com/search?q=koch+bros+59&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

        • LawtonOkie

          You just don’t want to learn the real facts then. You already know my facts are right, James. But you still can’t show me any proof about the Koch Bros. or disprove what I said about George Soros and the unions.

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          The Koch brothers are actually rated 59th in political contributions, but don’t let facts get in your way. The # 1 political contributor is…………………….Actblue with contributions of $97,192,340 between 1989-2012, and of that amount, 99% went to democrats…. OUCH! That smarts!

      • James

        Is there such a thing?

  • dmacid

    Damn expensive job creations. Think of all the places that money could be better used. The man is stupid but so narcissistic he doesn’t even see it. What he wants no matter what the costs. Just like crazy over priced under functional health care death plan.

    • woonsocket

      Is that what your financial adviser thinks too?

  • danclamage

    You can’t attribute the full cost of a capital project to labor. Once the solar plant is built, it probably has a design lifetime of 20-30 years. So you can amortize the full cost against that period.

  • jaxtom

    Frack obozo.

  • abinico

    The big and important difference between Yuma and Midland is this: Yuma can be in business indefinitely and with minimum effect on the environment; Midland will be raped and drained of its resources and then abandoned while the taxpayers get the bill to clean up the toxic left over mess. So Jolly, you still think oil is the better deal?

  • paul

    Proving once again Obama’s an idiot. He basically could have given $500,000 to 2,000 people or $100,000 to 10,000 people (lower middle class to pay off their debts and home improvement). This would have stimulated the economy and done much better things for the nation then the solar panels will… As the writer says, I’m for solar research but this was a waste.

    • Ron

      Here is an idea for you. Take YOUR PERSONAL credit cards and borrow enough to give 10,000 people $100,000 and according to you the economy will get better. What about your economy, will yours get better by borrowing? You can’t fix the economy by borrowing. Obama, or any politician, borrowing to help the economy will always hurt more people than they help.

      • paul

        Missed the point. I said nothing about it being the best way to use money. I said it would have been a better way to spend the money verse what he did do with the funds.
        Ron it is not my economics, it is just economics…. If you give people money that have some money but not enough money, they will spend it right away on items they need, things they need fixed, and other items…. They will not or should not horde the funds away. In doing this it will increase their local economy (assuming do not buy on line). Which then the local business now have more money to do more things, and spend their new funds and so on and so on…. In theory the funds would circulate around enough to bring in new business and to generate taxes to pay back the money borrowed. However, borrowing money to pay off debt is not a good way to pay off debt. This is better done with a tax refund like G.W. Bush did, giving everyone some money to spend, but should not be borrowed money.

        • Ron

          Thanks for the reply Paul, Your point is well taken and I used “refund” from “W” to pay down debt. I agree that people having money to spend is good for their economy and those that they spend it on too. My point, and I think we are nearly on the same page, is that the free money came from someone that earned it and now those that earned it have less to spend and therefor their economy is worse. If enough “free money” is given away the entire economy eventually fails when you run out of OPM, (other peoples money). That is exactly why socialism / communism does not work. Also if you are getting a “free” check from your Uncle, why work?

  • Richard

    Well WTF? Oil will actually pay for itself. So far the ID ten T’s energy plans haven’t made a penny.

  • woonsocket

    May, 2011
    “Senate GOP Votes Down Bill To End Big Oil Subsidies”

    March, 2012

    “GOP blocks Obama’s bid to end oil subsidies”

    “House Republicans voted in lockstep this afternoon to protect corporate welfare for Big Oil, even as they
    call for draconian cuts to programs that everyday Americans depend on each day.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/03/01/147597/house-gop-oil-subsidies/

    “Of the 47 Republicans asking Boehner to end the wind investments, 46 voted in March 2011 against closing tax loopholes that let Big Oil collect $4 billion in annual subsidies.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/09/26/909151/46-republicans-claim-wind-credits-are-too-costly-after-voting-to-retain-billions-in-big-oil-subsidies/

  • zagozana

    How do 10 people make a 2,400 acre solar farm?
    Oh, that’s permanent jobs, not counting the hundreds that would actually produce it.
    So the headline is false and misleading like Fox News?

    Who is it that would benefit form this intentional misinformation…hmmmmm…
    Could it be the oil and cold mining mega-corporations?