Islamic Child Abuse gets you Probation in Arizona

Apparently torturing your offspring is no longer a violent offense in Phoenix, Arizona. Last week an Arizona Superior Court Judge awarded (and I mean awarded) probation to a Muslim family who admitted to kidnapping, beating and trying to kill their nineteen-year-old daughter. Islamists rejoice! “Honor violence” is now officially sanctioned as part of the American culture.

According to Maricopa County Prosecutors, in February 2012, Aiya Altameemi, a nineteen-year-old Muslim female was beaten, tied to her bed, burned with a hot spoon, stabbed in the neck and locked in her room by her family for her unwillingness to accept an arranged marriage to a 38-year-old Muslim man and speaking to a male classmate in public.

As is reported, Miss Altameemi injuries required medical attention and she was taken to a local hospital by her mother for treatment.  The hospital staff became suspicious of the injuries (especially the 1 ½ inch stab wound to Aiya’s neck) and began asking the nineteen-year-old questions about her wounds. During her questioning Aiya explained that her family became angry with her for talking to a boy at school. Apparently in Aiya’s family, it wasn’t appropriate for a young Muslim virgin to be seen talking with a High School boys. Later the victim identified her mother, father and sister (as her attackers) and police were notified and arrests were made.

Last week, during a sentencing hearing Aiya’s father admitted to attempting to kill his daughter by cutting her neck. Mohammed Altameemi, 46, received two years’ probation for disorderly conduct. Altameeni’s wife, Yursah Farhan, 51, was sentenced to two years’ probation for unlawful imprisonment of her daughter and the victim’s sister Tabarack Altameemi , 18, pled guilty to assault and received two years’ probation (she broke a glass over her sister head during the attack).

Some reports suggest that the victim has recanted her story. Heck, if I was Aiya, I might have a little victim’s remorse too if I knew that I had to eventually go home to a family that might slit my throat while I slept. Wouldn’t you? Advocates for the Altameemi Family are now blaming overzealous prosecutors and law enforcement for an innocent domestic situation being blown out of proportion.

Where are Family and Protective Services when you need them? Where are the loud and proud feminist voices of MSNBC? Why aren’t sexual rights advocates and the National Organization for Woman protesting outside this Arizona Courthouse?

I have written a number of articles suggesting that “Sharia law” is creeping into every area of our society. Last week’s ruling by a left wing Democrat, Judge Joseph Kreamer (a 2007 Janet Napolitano appointee) further emphasizes the growing threat of Islamic (Sharia) law and its influence in U.S. Courts. Readers may want to ask themselves how U.S. criminal courts (and liberal media) would have treated this crime if the victim were a homosexual son of a Christian family. Or better yet, what would the charges have been if the victim was the young boy Aiya was seen innocently talking too after school?

This is not Kabul or Tehran; this is the United States of America. First Amendment rights have never provided for the freedom to brutalize another citizen over perceived religious transgressions. Constitutional freedoms definitely don’t provide you with the religious freedom to attempt to murder someone who offends you. Or do they? Personally, I’m wondering if Aiya’s family may have been guilty of a federal hate crime or civil rights violation and walked away with probation. What say you Mr. Holder?

Perhaps we should consider using a new litmus test before we decide to appoint (or for that matter elect) our judiciary. Along with a respect for the unborn, it might be prudent to ask a prospective Judge their views on Islamic law and its relevance to Judeo Christian legal philosophy in American courts; after all we may see more than one Sharia sensitive judge appointed to our Supreme Court in the next four years.

Public education, banking, civil and criminal legal precedent, and U.S. governing agendas are being shaped by agents of Islam every day in America. If you think liberalism is destructive, wait until you find yourself in Aiya’s predicament. Last week in Arizona a frightening message was sent loud and clear by a liberal Superior Court Judge named Joseph Kreamer. Holding a knife to your child’s neck and beating her into submission is no longer attempted murder and felony assault if you follow the teachings of Mohammed and Islam. Heck it’s not even domestic violence.







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  • Freedom Fighter

    What the hell is wrong with that judge? Those people should be shot for their actions. This is America not sand land. This kind of vile crap has got to be stop with force.

  • mixplix

    We are a nation of laws. Isn’t this what the politicians preach?

    • ladyceo

      @mixplix
       Not with Obama ruling!

    • Tony Ruiz

      @mixplix   Not any more. We even have a president who’s above the law.

  • snakeman

    we all should take the judge out and beat his ass. this guy sucks.

    • Sam in NC

      @snakeman Count me in. Then we start on her family !

    • Tony Ruiz

      @snakeman    Count me in

  • Susan Daniels PI

    Outrageous. Those people are animals.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    There is no more law in the US.  Law is being legislated from the bench, not the legislatures, and the judges make it up as they go along and then tell you what their version of the law is.  It will only be a matter of time before we get a sharia judge on the US bench who will advocate cutting off hands for theft, or cutting off penises for rape.

    • Hangen

      @NoMoreMarxistsInDC It is all ready happening in michigan with the police be muslim and the judge also after some christian people were arrested buy Muslims and the christens were arrested.

    • NeverGiveUp

      @NoMoreMarxistsInDC  No, Sharia law allows the woman who was raped to be stoned in the streets for allowing herself to be raped.  Go check on Britian.

  • remesquaddie

    Who is ”  Arizona Superior Court Judge “…name this cruel idiot.

  • JoSchwarz

    This is outrageous. PC, Liberal judges an the likes of 0bama are destroying this country at breakneck speed!

  • ladyceo

    They’ll see these parents in court again only next time it will be for murder!

    • Sam in NC

      @ladyceo Yeah, and they’ll probably get another slap on the wrist !

  • Sandiegosherlock

    Violence against women has always been the norm in male dominated societies. Why should it have to be feminists or NOW? What about you men out there in Arizona and the male judge? Why are these freaks even allowed in our country?

  • danotexican

    And people wonder why we want to secede.

  • DellaThorne

    BUT…..have a drink or smell like alcohol (regardless of being below limit) and have a child in your car and go to jail … lose your license, have to have a breathalyzer in your car at $1200/yr for 5 yrs…fines out the ass…THAT’S what AZ thinks is most important.  Be a registered sex offender, be a murderer…doesn’t matter.  The AZ superior courts have deemed that child needs (oh let me clarify…if you are male) that father in the child’s life and will and have ordered the children be taken to prisons to visit that father regularly and that convicted murderer can be granted rights of deciding for the child…even though the statutes say it’s not possible I have personal knowledge and experience here.  In the state of AZ you can have custody of your kids (or joint w/benefits) if you are a convicted and registered sex offender….Now tell me….why is AZ a red state?

    • sentinel1946

      @DellaThorne
      Actually, AZ is red only in the North (excluding the Reservations) and North Central portions of the State; the South is predominantly blue (Tucson and the Southern Reservation)

  • undunder

    More of this is likely to keep happening under the rule of ayatollah obama.

  • DrEvil

    Liberals and women’s rights. Just doesn’t add up.

  • Joseph Calderone

    This Judge should be removed from office. To allow such barbaric practices to go unpunished. This is America not the middle east.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      @Joseph Calderone
       But see an American women give her kid a slap on the butt for misbehaving in public and the kid’s in the hands of CPS and the mother is in jail for endangerment! Yeah right!!!!!!!!

  • snakeman

    if we dont start fighting back we will all be in chains. under the mexican or muslim flag.

  • kxqmate

    A portent of things to come. Obama will get to nominate how many Supreme Court Justices?

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      @kxqmate
       Only if they retire or die on the bench!! Stay healthy and vibrant your honors!!!!!

    • ladypatriot

      @kxqmate …and then those Supreme Court Justices will help obama find a way to be in the White House – in CONTROL – for a THIRD TERM…watch and see…..!!!!  OMGosh, no!  Don’t just sit by catching, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!  Prevent it!

  • Josh Reynolds

    Only in a sand state. They must have thought they were at home.  Dumb Judge.  Where’s Gloria Allread? She shows up for the opening of an envelope!

  • storm1915

    name and mame this fricken judge,this crap is just like Europe,it’s coming here take them out before it’s to late

  • snidely1

    If you go to live in a foreign country, EVERY one I know of says that you must live within its laws, no exceptions. Now, in America, we let liberal judges tell us it is alright to bring their laws and their culture with them when they come here; they no longer have to check these barbaric practices at the door. The father admitted that he was going to kill his daughter – an “honor killing” – and what would have been the outcome had he succeeded? Probation? Community service? Jail them, deport them, whatever it takes to rid our society of their horrific cultural norms.

  • James Maxwell

    I suspect that when this so called “Judge” is identyfyied it will be discovered that he also is a raghead who does
    not follow the US code of justice nor the states either.

  • jd1958

    You will only get intervention against white christian families.

  • peggymeeks54

    Get use to it folks. It’s called Sharia Law!!! That was Obummer’s agenda all along, to make our country a 3rd world country! Talk about WAR on WOMEN!!!

    • NeverGiveUp

      She’s correct.  Explained step by step in the movie 2016.  Obama has now won the election so you liberals should go check it out for the fun of it.  See how much of it the director gets right over the next four years.

  • jd1958

    This is exactly what all you democrats voted for.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @jd1958   Yes. It’s way past time to have an uprising against all muslims including obama

  • http://yahoo.com/ GeoPost

    I too wonder what happened to the Feminists of yesteryear.  Perhaps they don’t believe that this kind of treatment will ever come to them.  But Sharia is coming and is now in place in many towns in America.  And, the Muslims will never be charged with hate crimes against humanity, that charge is reserved for Christians who have reason to disavow homosexuality and the brutal mauling of young innocent Muslim girls & children.  And, don’t ask Holder, Obama hasn’t given him permission to speak!

    • Guest

      @GeoPost They are wobbling out.  Glorius SteinHam was interviewed recently on a Fox News channel.  Uggggly ol hag showing what she is.  Obbba supporter with a surge of her ol drying blood… much on her boney witch like hands.  Are you men going to let this witch clobber American women again?  She’s going after influencing the kids now.

  • Joseph Calderone

    obummer was reelected thru fraud. He should be impeached.

  • Tony Ruiz

    Can somebody PLEASE send this case information to Bill O’Reilly? He gets guys like this removed from the bench. I know somebody out there’s got the computer resources to get it in front of O’Reilly. COME ON, DO IT! I don’t have the health or computer skills. O’Reilly’s still good for a few things in spite of honoring obama’s ‘presidency’

  • DrAnalog

    This is disgusting. Where the hell are the women’s rights advocates? I wonder what will happen when muslims torture gays, only a matter of time.

    • KLM

      @DrAnalog They did — the US Ambassador to Libya in Benghazi.  You don’t hear the gays screaming about that do you?

    • ladypatriot

      @DrAnalog They will go after only Republicans and Conservatives.  They forget or don’t even know that Republicans got women (and Black Americans)  the Right to Vote.  The Black Americans don’t know that the NAACP was founded by Republicans.  The democraps turned it into a racist organization.

  • LSC

    This is truly only the beginning, these young women are scared of their family, brainwashed, they certainly
    need an intervention to be saved, too bad they don’t have the nerve to run away from this so called family, young
    girls in America do it all the time, they can find a place to save them, they just don’t know it yet, but they will

  • cdarwincole

    Islam is an evil lie.
     
    Everyone say it together now.
     
    Islam is an evil lie.
     
    Now say it in public every chance you get.
     
    When the Muslims come to kill you and your family, defend yourself with lethal force.
     
    Go buy your guns now.

    • gedrury

      @cdarwincole
       When they are bending over to pray is a good time to cap their azz.

  • Dulceb

    America is gone. Let’s shake the dust from our feet and move on. Maybe we can buy one of those islands from Greece, move our people and our Constitution and start over.
    There has to be a final frontier, even if it is in space.
    I am grieved that one of two people in this country expect everything for free. I hate the women’s rights advocates that shout for equality but still have the laws written that the victim in a crime is on trial, or cannot get help with a violent spouse, parent or partner.
    This is not the America my Grandparents saved in WWII.
    God help the remnant of the Americans with pride and self respect.

  • Danmo43

    Yet, just spank your own kid in public.

  • James Maxwell

    The part that will suprise many is when Obummers muslim brother hood of Pigs starts with the youth that voted
    for him and his drug induced dreams of his father.

  • Christian in Oklahoma

    The one true God has already prepared His righteous justice for these people and people who share their corrupt
    beliefs and carry out that kind of cruelty to other human beings… …and, by the way, His name IS NOT Allah!

  • Gunner1

    I live in Arizona and can say that the majority of the people here would be and are outraged by this. I do not hold the fact, that I am anti-muslim and do not think this as a religion, but rather a political view with the aim of dominance. If we don’t speak up, this will be the norm. Let your Government officials know you will not stand for this.

  • Brian_R_Allen

    @FoxNews @SkyNewsAust #auspol #teaparty
     
     
    The totalitarian ideology most accurately termed Islamanazism is absolutely incompatible with and unassimilable into Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization. 
     
    “Radical” islam is The Beast; 
     
    “Moderate” islam is its Trojan Horse. 
     
    Western “multiculturalists” are the Greeks. 
     
    Beware of Greeks pushing horses!

  • Combat Veteran Seabee

    How about we take the judge and met out the treatment to him that the girl got at the hands of her family? Maybe a different point of view and compliance of our laws would be fast in coming!!!

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @Combat Veteran Seabee I’ll help you!  It’s way past time for a trip to the ‘wood shed’ for these idiot judges who embark on stupid, insane ideologies which are so unconstitutional that my 8th graders can see it.

  • bmike1

    I hate to tell you this but non-muslims are not having enough children to maintain our societies. Non-muslims are having less than 2 children per couple (average) while muslims have 8 kids. Like it or not the world is going to become muslim in less than 50 years.

    • MichelleChadima

      @bmike1 That’s been their plan all along; they feel that is their mandate.  They’ve nearly succeeded in Europe, now they’re trying here. I will defend mine to the death if need be.

    • DavidWelden

      @bmike1
       That is 100% correct. The population must grow if the economy is to grow. Without economic growth, our society will fail. The current administration is counting on latinos and muslims to save us.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @DavidWelden  @bmike1 …you mean, ‘enslave us’ don’t you?

        • DavidWelden

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @bmike1
           That is probably closer to reality.

  • dotsdot

    What do they say, you get what you vote for? We got it folks and a lot more is coming. Obama’s 141st executive order for example expands homeland security. It can now reach into local law enforcement. “A civilian national security force taking the place of your state police? In other words a “Police State”. Remember Obummer saying that in his first campaign for the leader of what was once a free country. God Bless America and only pray we can get out of this mess but its not looking good.

  • LSC

    I would pray you are wrong about that………God only knows…….the one and only God, hope we get help
    with all our prayers before that….Muslims taking over the world, destruction of an entire planet…

  • kaydolores

    Last week’s ruling by a left wing Democrat, Judge Joseph Kreamer (a 2007 Janet Napolitano appointee) further emphasizes the growing threat of Islamic (Sharia) law and its influence in U.S. Courts. This is the judge as stated in the article!

  • dragonfFIRE01

    sharia law is running rampant hereand we must quit pandering to these people

  • LSC

    These women are so brainwashed, but one would think living in the United States they would get it,
    they are treated like dirt under the man, can they not see American woman do not live this way.. and
    we never will………..

  • Papabstr

    Its their kid, let em go at it.

    • gnafuasusual

      @Papabstr
       NOT IN THE USA! They need to go back to Iran or whatever country they came from if they want to practice brutality to children.

  • gnafuasusual

    What the…!  To marry a young girl off to some weird old bas–d is disgraceful! To torture a young girl like this is not acceptable and should be reported to the correct agency. To uphold Muslim law in an American Court is disasterous! This is what I’ve been saying for four years> Muslims, GO HOME. If they want to live like animals, we don’t want them here on American soil. Where is Brigitte Gabriel when we need her?!

  • BlkcatwmCaroline

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS! I live in Arizona. I am so disappointed in the Judges that I voted them all out. I can’t believe they can’t uphold simple laws and allow this abuse on a young woman. If it had been a stranger, would they have gotten probation!!?

  • MaxBlack

    Everytimne you think you’ve heard everything and things couldn’t possible get any worse, it does..

  • Bart Walsh

    The feds will never stand up for American citizens. State should pass laws (or change state constitutions) which make it a felony for any judge or attorney to reference Islamic law.  The immediate penalty is: Attorneys – disbarment and forfeiture of all assets. Judges – loss of judgeship, forfeiture of all assets and retirement benefits, disbarment.  Banned from the legal system for life.  No appeal!

    • kayhair

      We did that in Oklahoma, and a judge overturned it.  We were the first to vote that we could not be judged using Islamic law.  Was a referencum that overwhelmingly passed.  We were made fun of, saying that scenario would never exist in the USA>  Well, it exists.  Here it is.  But a iiberal judge overturned our vote (passed by about 80%).  We need to kick the judges to the curb!  I voted “NO” to retain any of our judges here.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    “Advocates for the Altameemi Family are now blaming overzealous prosecutors and law enforcement for an innocent domestic situation being blown out of proportion.
     
    Oh, yah…’blown out of proportion’…that’s gotta be it!  Doesn’t everyone beat the schit out of their adult child?  Doesn’t everyone try to murder those who oppose them or reject their beliefs?  Overzealous my arse.  Kick these camel kissing jerks to the curb and jettison their crap carcass into the sea…or back to the hellhole they came from.  Their ideology is totally incompatible with our Constitutional Republic!

  • ConnieStanson

    Sure sounds like an Islamic Judge to me !

  • DonKeiballs

    Put a Muslim in the White House. What do you expect.

  • JoeyYoung

    Why is anyone surprised? Obama let the people know who he was with the books he wrote & the speeches he gave. The problem is no one was really reading his books or listening to his message. We only have Democrats & stupid non-democrats who let themselevs be used as pawns in Obama’s game against the real Americans. They heard about the entitlement programs & women’s reproductive rights. Add to that the he has dark skin and calls himself black so he got the majority of teh black vote. I do believe that blacks will lose all tehground tehy gained afte rteh civil rights movement. I personally have lost repsect for them & rather not deal with them given a choice.

  • Wlfgng

    It is time to first put a moratorium on all immigration, secondly face the truth about Islam, it is not a legitimate religion. We need to systematically de islamify this and the European continent.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @Wlfgng   No, first stamp out islam (including obama). Then work on everything else.

  • VickiR

    There’s the real war on women

  • paxcat

    She is an adult by law, and she would have to be the one alleging the assault, torture, etc.  CPS goes in for minor children not adult children.

  • ConnieStanson

    Sharia Law is now being inforced in America now. I want to know we America is going to stand up for our Country before these Muslims start making us rule under them?

  • pamsmap

    This is nothing short of criminal child abuse. Sharia Law, Allayh, and the false prophet Moohamad, have no place in the USA. This girl should have been put in child protective custody, and the parents and sister deported back to where such henious crimes are considered ok. After….forcing them to eat bacon! The judge? Send him as our new Ambassador to Benghazi. All, worthless pos!

  • Al Pino

    YES—This is or was America The Beautiful??  All I can say is keep em locked & loaded and do what you have to do to protect what you have left in this country. The next 4 years could be very trying so GET READY!!!!!!!!!
     
    Al Pino
    Apache Junction, AZ

    • dstorey1958

      When obambi gets to appoint his ultra liberal muslim sympathizing superior court judges, this country will change and you will no longer recognize it.

    • ConnieStanson

      Amen Brother !!!

  • agbjr

    The judge is just as sick a sonofabitch as the poor girl’s family. He should be charged with malpractice and disbarred then arrested for abetting attempted murderers!

  • DennyB

    The judge should no longer sit on he bench. The youn girlshould of went to foster care and ot home.The parents should both of had at least five year jail sentences. And that is he minimum.

    • NavyJR

      @DennyB She’s listed as 19, an ADULT in her own right!

      • Pilars

        @NavyJR  @DennyB That makes it okay?????? Attempted murder is attempted murder…age makes no difference,  WAIT, maybe under this administration!

        • ConnieStanson

          @Pilars  @NavyJR  @DennyB And that’s because, this Administration is being run by an Islamic Muslim. Do you remember when  o.b  told all of us on National T.V ? He told us we Have to accept  Islam. Bull Shit. I don’t . I am a Full Blooded American !! He can kiss it where the sun don’t shine !!!

    • ConnieStanson

      @DennyB That won’t happen because, the Judge is a Muslim or taking orders of the Islamic Brotherhood.

  • looneytoonsindville

    WHERE I COME FROM, ATTEMPTED MURDER IS A FELONY PUNISHABLE BY A JAIL TERM NOT LESS THAN 2 YEARS NOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, ACCOMPANIED BY A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $10,000.00.  No probation for attempted murder.  Somebody made a BIG MISTAKE!!!

  • Wiccanwolf

    I agree that that Judge needs to be ran off of the bench. Hell it was an attempted murder of a citizen! What in the hell was he smoking or drinking to allow the scum of the earth to get off with Probation?

    • NavyJR

      All he looked at was the religion of the plaintiff and defendants, and IGNORED everything else!

    • ConnieStanson

      The Judge is a Muslim of a Secular Movement !!!

  • enubus

    Here is what happens when you have leftist cowards suffereing from terminal PC!  Email Governor Brewer and tell her to bounce this yellow cur!

  • Reject Sharia Law

    Liberal Activist Judges need to go. Last time I checked this was the United States of America. Had I done this to my daughter as a white man living in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts I would have probably been Drawn and Quartered. In Massachusett’s defense,  I have to admit that even probation would have been to light a sentence. That;s just over the top.
     
    Sharia law has no place in the USA. If these people want to mutilate their children send them back to the dark ages. They have no place here. Civilized people don’t burn and mutilate people. Never mind arrange marriges and force their religious beliefs on others.
     
    Maybe, if we had a stronger stance on immigration we wouldn’t be reading stories like this.

    • enubus

      @Reject Sharia Law
       I emailed Governor Brewer and asked her to remove Joseph Kreamer from the Bench

  • dewooded

    The religion of peace

    • NavyJR

      @dewooded And they “respect” women too; don’t forget that one!

      • dewooded

        @NavyJR 85% of them voted for B.O.

        • ConnieStanson

          @dewooded  @NavyJR Need to get them out of here, now !!!

    • ConnieStanson

      @dewooded peace my foot !!!

  • CherylBralick

    While we are busy murdering millions of preborn babies a year and seeing nothing wrong with that, the Muslims are having their children. We are not having enough babies to sustain us our society. The Netherlands have already seen this happening. Muslims are moving into the Netherlands and outnumber native people there. Sharia law will take over here because they will be the majority. They dont believe in murdering their babies

    • Tony Ruiz

      @CherylBralick   Yes they do when they get older and realize what’s going on…that’s when they kill them

    • JanConroy

      @CherylBralick Actually, Muslims DO believe in abortion.  They simply are not killing their babies right now because they need the welfare payments and child tax credits coming in from Uncle Stupid.  Ditto, the Netherlands where welfare is still being given to all comers regardless of where they are coming from.  Once Islam takes over America, Muslims will be demanding free abortions, especially for indigenous Jewish and Christian Americans.

      • ConnieStanson

        @JanConroy  @CherylBralick When they take over America !!!  Bull shit !!!  We must  Stop them before that happens. No don’t even say that !!!  They cannot have America. It’s people like you who obviously are one that will cave in at the mere mention of Muslim Control. I will Never Stop that from Happening. No friggen way.

        • ConnieStanson

          @JanConroy  @CherylBralick When they take over. Are you Nuts !!!

    • ConnieStanson

      @CherylBralick  No just there teenagers ! When are we going to stand up for our country and stop this. This is our country how dare them come to our country and tell us how to live and murder their children and get away with it !!!

  • NavyJR

    THIS is DISGUSTING and a CLEAR violation of this young woman’s civil rights as an American adult!  This should be tried as a kidnapping and attempted MURDER which it clearly was!  WOMEN, wake up!  We are ALL in MORTAL PERIL, if this is allowed to stand!  THIS is precisely HOW Sharia creeps in and takes over a  “conquered” nation!

    • ConnieStanson

      @NavyJR Thank You Navy Jr.  I am trying to tell the People what we are headed for. I am so glad that you too are trying to tell them. GOD Bless You and Yours.

  • Kathleen

    Whaddya expect with a radical muslim in the White House??

    • ConnieStanson

      When crap hit’s  the fan, and it will. I will have no pity on the ones that voted him back in office.

  • DefendConstitution

    I could understand this from CA, MA or NY but not Arizona. I thought they were with the good guys. Don’t judges have to take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution? If not, we must change the laws so they must.

    • ConnieStanson

      @DefendConstitution  Just like us D.C. There are allot of good guys out there, But remember we have allot of Secular Judges out there,

  • KeithAyers

    If she is 19 years old, then she should be considered an adult and she should get the heck out of that house and start a new life without those islamic idiots she has for family!  This is only the beginning people, get ready for dark times here in the United States of America. God has given us over to our passions and sins. (Romans 1:18-32) May God have Mercy on us !

    • ConnieStanson

      @KeithAyers  We are under the Judgement of GOD !!!  He is very angry and hurt at us. When these Progressives took Our GOD out from the Public EYE (and out of School) We did nothing. Our Schools turned to selling Drugs in school, Rapes in the restroom’s, (in 1979 I had to go get my Daughter out of junior High because of a gun fight.) 1979 !!!  now they are having Gun Wars, not just A  gun fight. but allot of guns going off. Shooting Teachers because of bad grades or because they have to stay after school. WE Took GOD from the Public Eye. We did Nothing to fight for HIM.  We, instead of walking with GOD, Ignored Him.  Yes we are under HIS Wrath. Yes it is only going to get worse. May GOD have mercy on our soul. Please repent. I know I must also and I am trying. GOD Bless All of You.

  • DMJ

    The “girl” is nineteen.  She is not a child, therefore, child protective services has no jurisdiction.  This young lady should find a way to move out of her parents’ house.  How about an abused women’s shelter?

    • SandyK89

      @DMJ  How about a noose for mommy and daddy?

    • ConnieStanson

      @DMJ And you really think DMJ ; they won’t find her ? come on. Pull your head out of the sand and look around you. Yes this is America but until we start acting like Americans and stand up for America and refuse these things to happen in Our country by telling these murdering sicko’s  to get out of America or live our way Under GOD, It’s only going to get worse.

    • charles lindsey

      @DMJ You are right,  I remember two girls in Dallas that left the house, then they were suckered into coming back by their brother and mother. when they got in the car, the brother and father shot them to death. If she leaves, she better hope she never talks to any one that is Muslim, because they will let her kill her for them know where she is, or do them a favor and kill her for them.

  • LeonTheUnclean

    No, this is not the United States of America. That country no longer exists. To the left (hint: Obama and his soulless sycophants) this behaviour is acceptable and is evidence of our progress and diversity. We are very diverse now. Christians cannot pray in public, allow a cross to be seen or carry a Bible into a public building, by HEY, it’s totally okay for a muslim to slice his child’s neck open because he is “upset” with her.  How very very cool we are…

  • Dogrules14

    Americans of the past 250 yrs. are being outnumbered by secular amoral hedonists and non assimilating minorities.  Without radical intervention, traditional American values will be gone within a decade.

    • LeonTheUnclean

      @Dogrules14 Um, they are already gone. We’ve been asleep.

    • ConnieStanson

      @Dogrules14  Do You want to know why ? Well I think you know Dog, but all you other people who stick your heads in the sand, We are Americans and we will someday be treated the same way and by the Islamic Muslims. That’s because we set around and allow this. We need to stand up for our country or your daughters will have to succumb to the Muslim Brotherhood. Your daughters will be at the tender age of 3 and will learn the Muslim way in and out of bed. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  • remartantiques

    And yet the lefties want to make if a crime if we try to spank our children for bad behaviors.

    • dewooded

      @remartantiques They LOVE Islam but hate Christianity

    • LeonTheUnclean

      @remartantiques Only if you are Christian is spanking a crime. Otherwise, evisceration is okay.

  • LeonTheUnclean

    What I find interesting is how outraged everyone here sounds.  If you are so outraged, they why did most of you vote for Obama?  Why didn’t more good old American conservatives even turn out to vote?  Don’t cry about it now. This is what the “majority” wanted.

    • remartantiques

      @LeonTheUnclean And what makes you think we voted for Otrauma?

    • saddayforUSA

      @LeonTheUnclean  from what I’m reading online, the “good old American conservatives” got the vote stolen from us with rigged touchscreens issuing error reports on Republican votes but counting demonic-rat votes. Could that be some of the 3,000,000,000 voters of which you speak?We’re fools to have embraced programmable voting machines. Elections determined by whoever programs the machines.  Let’s see, now who might have the power to arrange rigged voting machines? I wonder……………     See link below:
       
       http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/heres-how-touchscreens-killed-romney-votes/

    • Amvet

      @LeonTheUnclean
       The majority did not vote for Obama, the out of date Electoral College is what got him in office both times.

    • charles lindsey

      @LeonTheUnclean I don’t believe that the vote was fair,too many stories about cheating at the polls. they had 108% vote for him in Ohio, and 140%in one division in Florida, and in Chicago, it was on facebook yesterday, they told how the machines picked Obama by default. There is a petition  at We The People at the White House site to call for a new vote, or a recount and check of true ballots

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      @LeonTheUnclean
       I didn’t vote for the sheet head!!!!

  • Quashe Olatunji

    It is nothing short of astonishing that the same courts have been populated for at least the last 40 years with Liberal/Progressive prosecutors and judges who have been ready to instantly tear children away from their parents for “emotional neglect” “emotional abuse” and the most trivial instances of corporal punishment – SPANKING, for God’s Sake! Of course, what’s actually been going on is NOT from their concern and empathy for the child, but the imposition of the Government’s supremacy over the rights and duties of parents.
    But even in those terms – which Liberals have shouted as their sacred creed – the court is abandoning its proper functions, both enforcement of the law and the guarantee of justice and protection for the innocent, all with the willing approval of the Leftists.
     
    And where are the so-called “feminists” and “women’s rights advocates?”  Oh, right. They dropped that charade for Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick, and Bill Clinton after his serial abuse of a dozen women, and… Oh, never mind.
    My sad prediction is that there will be a sense that the honor of this nation demands the punishment of parents who would do such things to their children. Lawlessness by the government begets a lawless society.

    • Amvet

      @Quashe Olatunji
       You are on target, after all, we have an Attorney General that protects the Black Panthers, protects the illegals voting with dead peoples I D”s, supplies guns to cartels in order to try to ban guns here in the United States. What most people don’t understand about the Second Amendment is that it was put in place not just for personal defence but to prevent a rouge government from taking over the Our Country.

      • Combat Veteran Seabee

        @Amvet  @Quashe Olatunji
         It also should be noted that the 1st Amendment wasn’t included to be interpreted the way it is being employed. It was originally put in the Constitution to allow redress of the government, WITHOUT reprisal!

  • concreteman

    creep, creep, creep.  That is the way it will happen.  So slowly you won;t know until it’s too late.  I pity my grandchildren coming up in this age.

    • DonBahn1

      @concreteman  Just like the communist did with the slow growth to socialism.

  • whatasadday

    I dont know what sickens me more.This story or some of the comments on the story.

  • concreteman

    Leon the unclean.  I can most assuredly tell you that I did not vote for muslim oboma.  Watch who he appoints to the SCOUS.

  • fwiw

    I thought you might be exaggerating a bit in your opening paragraph.  Sad to say, you weren’t.  I took a look at a couple of other articles, regional and national in nature.  Both said the parents admitted to 2 separate incidents of abuse and said they were ignorant of American law banning such practices.  Oh.  Okay.  That makes it all better.

  • SandyK89

    Those ‘things’, those Muslims, need to learn in a hurry, that we aren’t going to put up with their s – – t!   There really is a place for skin heads in this society.

  • kayhair

    We actually voted overwhelmingly in Oklahoma that no law other than US Constitutional law could be used to determine law by judges.  We were made fun of with people saying that scenario would never exist.  Well it’s here.  It exists, and we would be protected in Oklahoma, except CAIR took us to court, and a liberal judge overturned our legally voted on law.

    • La2004lady

      It is appallingly apparent that the liberals have succeeded installing Judges who no longer honor the American Constitution.  Republicans and Independents have been sleeping along, ‘going along to get along’.  And, by the way, do you see any Republicans protesting?

    • Amvet

      @kayhair
       Get rid of that judge. Either vote him out or impeach him.

      • WP

        @Amvet  @kayhair Yes if we knew the Judges name but all it says is Arizona Superior Court Judge now does any one know his name ?

  • SandyK89

    The stupid women who voted for Obama because of his war on women ought to take heed.  The fools voted with their sex parts not their brains.  They  deserve sharia law.  Idiots. Fools, all.

    • ronalford

      @SandyK89 You are absolutely right, they don’t even have a clue about what’s in store for them.

  • roughman

    There’s a hard rain a-gonna fall…

  • TroiOH

    We shall reap what we have sown.  Apathy, materialism, socialism, immorality and godlessness have finally caught up to us.  The country has been hijacked, people.  Now, what are we going to do about it?  We didn’t clean house in Washington, as we should, so here we are……… We have no one to blame but ourselves.

    • Amvet

      Obama is not my mistake and I will not take the blame for him being President. He does not represent the people that voted to get rid of him and the many of the people that did vote for him do not even know “what” they were voting into office. Do not believe what comes out of his mouth, watch what he actually does or doesn’t do. Many of the promises he made to the people that voted for him the first time were never even addressed and still they voted for the same lies again.

  • HowardPettyjohn

    Well friends, I understand your feeling bad about this but we have a problem and a serious one.  The first Amendment says that we can make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the  free exercise thereof, etc etc.  As long as Muslims consider this practice or exercise one of the church then that is what it is.
     
    You can forget getting it changed with Obama, our Muslim president, at the helm.  And don’t forget his first mate the head wale dodo.

    • RaymondSmith

      @HowardPettyjohn So Howard, how do you justify this when the Arizona and Texas authorities took custody of fundamentalist mormon children, and prosecuted the leaders for sexual abuse for marrying minors? Looks like the goose and the gander are getting different treatment.

    • DonBahn1

      @HowardPettyjohn  So if I beat my child with a willow switch as the Bible says to spare the rod spoil the child, it is now permissible under the 1st amendment?

    • Amvet

      @HowardPettyjohn
       Islam is not a religion, it is a cult way of life. It is a force upon or die cult.

    • Wrinkled Thought

      @HowardPettyjohn  So Howard, you are saying that if your neighbor’s religion condones murder of their family members you sanction that? I don’t recall anywhere in the Constitution or anywhere in the First Amendment reading about condoning murder in the name of religion because that’s what someone believes is their theology. IF that is YOUR take, then I guess you support ritualistic sacrifice at the alter of Baal………

  • BarryLevy

    Now this is a real war on a real woman, and once again, NOW and other nag organizations are silent.  What else is new.
     
    Now imagine if this person was a conservative.

  • 9l2always

    So, my question is how will they reconcile this when sharia bumps up against Gay, which becomes the hate crime?

    • Tony Ruiz

      @9l2always   This is priceless

    • HowardPettyjohn

      They don’t kill gays unless they are Muslim…..YET.   The practice is to throw them off a high roof to kill them.

  • PEN333DO

    WE NEED TO THANK ALL THE UNINFORMED, IGNORANT WOMEN THAT VOTED FOR THE ISLAMIC LEANING PRESIDENT.  YOU PROBABLY VOTED FOR HIM TO GET YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND OBAMAPHONE.  TOTAL IDIOTS. NEXT YOU’LL BE REQUIRED TO WALK 10 STEPS BEHIND YOUR HUSBAND AND BE ONE OF  5 WIVES

    • RussellPatton

      You meant your baby’s daddy, didn’t you?

  • Tony Ruiz

    How evil our country has become. It’s’ time.

  • Wrinkled Thought

    I guess this is the “camel’s nose in the tent”………………

  • TroiOH

    You are right on “roughman.”  I’m going to start stocking up to defend what I have when the time comes, but, when civil war does come, (and it is coming,)  any common person will only be able to hold out for so long.  Lord, have mercy on us all.

  • ChillaKilla

    islam is a plague that must be fought with every device available to rational humanity. Even dogs do not deserve to have this evil, dark ages cult imposed upon them!
    Where is the outrage of Americans in cases like this in our own soil? If we continue to allow this disgusting cult to encroach itself in this land… we will deserve the consequences these Neanderthals bring with them as they impose their cult upon us.
    One positive thing that might be gained by learning about the way musloids operate and the type of barbarians they are, is a clear rebuttal to those rabid anti-Catholics who have been taught that  the Crusades were somehow an attack on ‘poor unsuspecting muhammedans’.
    The fact is that these people have been the scourge of human kind since their pedophile ‘prophet’ invented the religion. The Crusades were called because of the harassment and killing of Christians who visited the Holy Land by the ‘moors’ who took over and desecrated Christian sites. This same behavior has been going on for some 1000 years, and still people have refused to learn that these brutes will not be changed until –like rats– they are exterminated!

    • Tony Ruiz

      @ChillaKilla   It’s time.

  • RonaldRWorthington

    please tell us where to find these people and this imcompent, foolish judge–good, up-to-date locations.  this must stop NOW

  • RobertLatta

    We must say no to barbaric Islamic sharia law. I hope someone emails this story to Bill O’Reilly as he hates idiot judges.

    • Sam in NC

      @RobertLatta The Judge and her family belong in prison !

    • WP

      @RobertLatta I agree but notice there is no name of the Judge which makes me question the article sending this to Bill O’Reilly the first thing he will want to know is the Judges name so would any thinking person reading this article.

      • Dwain Holmes

        @RobertLatta How many of You people actually read the article???The judges name was mentioned 2 times and I only skimmed the article!!

  • CQ

    The girl was 19, legally an adult, so it would seem that Child Protective Services would not have jurisdiction. Instead, it seems the appropriate charge would have been attempted murder by one adult on another. Why wasn’t the charge the father was tried under called ‘attempted murder’? According to this article the father even admitted to attempting murder.

    • 2WarAbnVet

      Sharia is apparently the law in Obamaland.

  • Samurai_Sam

    Guess it may be time for the sane people of the world to start dragging these cowardly ragheads off the street for a taste of their own medicine.

  • NormanReefer

    Please, let’s all relax a little bit. You would think this is something really outrageous like putting your pet dog on top of the family car in an approved dog carrier and taking him along on the family vacation. Get used to this stuff happening, and just wait until you see the next wave of judges who get appointments. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves.

    • Linda CDines

      @NormanReefer
       No, they have made arrangements to have their remains cremated.

    • HowardPettyjohn

      I know it is going on in France and Germany and they hate it.   But, like us, they just talk about it.

  • David Veselenak

    Doesn’t surprise me the least bit; afterall, you have a Muslim-Marxist jihadist in the “Outhouse” and the suicidal sheeple just voted him another term – lifetime, I might add – to finish off America! Really, what the hell is it that will wake you’s up to this obvious fact? Better get your prayer rugs ready as you’ll be needing them before long – that is for those of you who still manage to have your head! FOOLS!

  • jake brake

    Another of Obombnics leftist-socialist judges. Most likely he has Muslim ties.

    • WP

      @jake brake and what is the Judges name do you know ?  This article means nothing without a name

  • Byrrni

    If you treated anyone else in this way you would be charged with criminal assault, at the very least. Why is it ok to treat your adult (nineteen year old) child in this manner when swatting a six year old, on the backside, can have you arrested in many communities? Parents don’t “own” children here.
    This is the USA, Shariah law isn’t supposed to come into our criminal justice system. And the last I heard in THIS country, a woman cannot be forced to marry against her will. She is not obligated to honor a marriage contract initiated by her father.
    Why did this family come to this country? Most come because of suppression of their human rights at home. Why come to this country and continue to propagate such oppression? If they want to live like 7th century Arabs, they should return to the culture they came from.

  • ireAmerica

    Observing this murder-rape cult unequivocally shows that Islam is the anti-religion.  A parable;
     
    Imagine the followers of Charles Manson – engaging with him in misogyny, rape and child abuse and following him on sadistic murderous outings. And writing down Charles’ ramblings, acts, philosophy and core-concepts into a book, called the Corecon, blessed by Manson’s “god”.
     
    His followers, the Manslims, would then use cryptic extracts of the Corecon to induct and subjugate more Manslims. The “moderate Manslims” would merely proseletyze and induct more Manslims. The “good Manslims” would engage in the same behavior as their “divinely inspired” founder, Manson.
     
    All of the Manslims would promote themselves as belonging to a “religion” that was “peaceful” – usually while other members of the cult, er, “religion” were out and about killing and destroying in the name of their “god” and Manson.
     
    To conclude; Our government is trying to disallow our worship of God, why should we be silent in criticism of the devil?

  • J Joy

    Does anyone think that Shariah law isn’t too far away from being the law of the land in America??  Why do the Muslims get away with breaking our laws when they live in our country?  If they want to follow their laws, they should go back to where they came from!!!

  • ronalford

    That judge and all others like him need to realize that God is going to hold them responsible for any crime they allow to happen to those unfortunate Muslim kids while they are in this country.  ALL Muslims while in America need to understand they are going to have to live according to American laws or get the hell out of the U.S. and go back home where they can get away with their filthy deeds.

  • LoveAmerica

    SO sick and tired of ALL of these people! They leave their countries to come to the USA for freedoms and such and they still want to live like they did in their own countries! How does this make ANY sense??? If you are going to move to the USA because you want what we have then they should respect the laws of the USA and should suffer the same consequence REGARDLESS of their ridiculous religion! We can’t pray in public but they can, we can’t spank our children, but they can I mean seriously???? WHOSE COUNTRY IS THIS????? No one is fighting for US but we fight for THEM????? And slowly but surely we are no longer the America we use to be so proud of ….now we are just like the rest of the world with no back bone! Those people fight and kill for their religion and country but we just sit here and take it because of our extreme tolerance and diversities.  We are still the United States of AMERICA the last time I checked! It shouldn’t matter how much diversity is in this country we should still respect the CONSTITUTION in which this country is based and founded upon!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!  If they want to keep letting all these people in then they should be put through some kind of program to rid them of the ways of the country they came from! Especially from Muslim countries….they want the USA to fall! That is their ONLY goal and yet we just sit back and just let the country succumb to their way of life! Half of this country voted for a Muslim president! They voted with the main goal being our SEXUALITIES as our biggest problem as a country!? Are they serious!? Because that is the reason our country is in turmoil….now that the gay’s can marry and abortion is accepted NOW the country is going to prosper!!! YEAH!!! Who knew it was that easy!!! Well I guess it won’t matter much here in about 30days.

    • Middle Class

      @LoveAmerica 
      I don’t think that these people moved here for greater freedom.  They are colonists… When they have a large enough population, they will vote in Sharia law.

    • Lidka

      @LoveAmerica You call that religion? It is cult and all those muslims should sign agreement that they follow our law, if not they have to be deported back where they come from.

      • Tony Ruiz

        @Lidka  @LoveAmerica    Yeah, like THAT’S gonna happen

  • GramE

    Of all the things I’ve read in the last week – this is the sickest, and the most proof that we really are going to be a third world  country sooner than expected.  I’ve had faith in the  morality of the courts.   I didn’t recall that Oklahoma’s law that Sharia law would not prevail was overturned.  Now Arizona?  Any chance that that Mayan prediction of Dec 21, 2012 could  really happen?  Sounds good to me.  Nobody can corrupt God’s land.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @GramE   The courts are run by mere men, and I haven’t had any undue faith in them since I was 15. What’s YOUR excuse? Grow up, wake up and smell the muslims; they’re here.

      • GramE

        @Tony Ruiz I’m quite grown up Tony.  I voted for Dewey!   I am wide awake – I said that I’ve HAD faith – sounds past tense to me.  I think your anger and passion for this country has you reading a little into what is said and not said.  You’ve had many good comments on this site.  Be a leader!

  • netandyawho

    In Texas, people who would inflict those injuries on a dog would get prison time.  Send the parents, sister and judge to us and we will start by serving them a wild boar meal followed with a Korean dog desert..

  • Viet Vet

    The Islam is a sick sadistic political ideology, nothing more nothing less.  Slavery is coming in the United States thanks to the Muslim loving Obama and his Democrat friends.

  • Rory T

    It is all part of the legasy of Islam.  14 centuries and still violent war lord mentality.   Violence is only good when it is used to protect the innocent and is a last resort.

  • StevenBFisher

    Muslims killing Muslims – No Problem…move along…Nothing to see here.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @StevenBFisher    Sounds good, but….

  • benth166

    I’d string that judge and whomever else help skirt American law, up by their collective family jewels.  Those GD Muslims tried to kill their daughter and admitted so, then were given only Probation.  Horse pucky !!!
     
      That idiot father needs to be put away, showing the rest of those Sharia morons that we in American do not abduct and try to kill our children without understanding that we’ll go to jail for a long time if we do.  Just what were the lawyers grounds for getting those Sharia idiots off with such a light sentence.
     
      That young girl can and come live with us if she wants, and I’ll protect her with my life.  The only stipulation will be that she must denounce Sharia, and become an American Christian.  Take off the scarf and any other of the trappings of Islam, and join the human race.
     
      In fact, I’ll come to Arizona and pick her up.  The legal age in most, if not all states to leave home without parental consent, is 18.  This young lady is 19, and has the right to do with her life as she pleases, whether her parents and family like or not.  This is the United States idiots, not the middle east.  You came here to get away from that crazy place, and then you want to bring all your stupid baggage along with you, which includes thinking you can beat and kill your children at will.  Sorry you Islamic morons, we do not do that here !!!

    • Tony Ruiz

      @benth166    Our sentiments exactly. And, we’re IN Arizona

  • Tony Ruiz

    One might be led to believe we were founded by hippies, freely accepting of all

  • cdarwincole

    In my “Islam is an evil lie” post, I did not mean to suggest that anyone should go out hunting Muslims. Doing so would make you as bad as they are and quite unChristian. I encouraged only speaking truth and then being prepared to defend yourself and your family.
     
    I married a Muslim woman, and I dearly love my Muslim inlaws, who are wonderful people and, for the most part, good conservative Republicans. We are raising our daughter as a Christian. Yes, we would be killed for that in many Muslim countries. But not here. No yet, anyway….
     
    Are we not to love our enemies as ourselves?
     
    Defend yourselves from the enemy. Do not become the enemy.

    • benth166

      @cdarwincole   What that little saying means is that you keep your enemies close to the vest, as in “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”, that way you know exactly what they are up to.  We are admonished to love everyone for the entities they are as brothers and sisters under the umbrella of God’s love.  We do not have to love their actions !!!

      • cdarwincole

        @benth166
         My interpretation of that passage is a bit different — a bit less cynical, if you will pardon me for saying so. While I agree that the strategy you espouse can be effective, I think that an interpretation more in the vein of the teachings of Jesus is that you try to understand your enemies as products of their past and their environment, that you forgive them for what they do not understand, and that you try to appeal to their better nature as you would members of your own family. Then, if they still try to kill you, well… then it is time for the more, shall we say, Darwinian approach….

        • AllahISSatan

          @cdarwincole  @benth166 
          There is no doubt that Musloms want to kill infidels- those that will actually do it AND all those who stay silent are ALL GUILTY.  As a rule, Muslims do not talk against other Muslims- and that is why there is NO OUTCRY about this ruling from other followers of Islam.
           
          Bottom line- Islam is not compatible with American values. A war is coming. All these foolish dhimmis will be slaughtered- that means all the homosexuals who think that Republicans are mean- they aint seen nothing yet!!! And all these idiot liberal judges- lets see your ruling when a Muslim rapes your wife and daughters. IDIOTS!!!

    • Tony Ruiz

      @cdarwincole    If they no longer follow islam, they are no longer muslim. it’s a so-called religion, not a race. Of course, it’s not a religion either…it’s an army! And they’re armed!

  • rodger1942

    The Courts are trying to treat this as a First Amendment issue (freedom of religion), but it is really a 14th Amendment issue (equal protection under the law).  No part of the US can be “under” Sharia Law and still have the 14th Amendment obeyed.  All people in the US must have the same set of laws.  It is in the Constitution (read it).

    • Tony Ruiz

      Why should I? Nobody else is.

      • Combat Veteran Seabee

        @Tony Ruiz
         That is no reason to shirk your reponsibility! To use a cliche, if everyboby is jumping off the bridge, are you going to also?

        • Tony Ruiz

          @Combat Veteran Seabee   Wake up Combat Vet. We are on the Titanic…are you sure we should be re-arranging the deck furniture? This is the time for action; look where following has gotten us; we sent all the wrong people to be followed

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          @Tony Ruiz
           I’m on your side, I carry a copy of the Constitution with me in my pocket! I was just making a point, but it wasn’t directed at you. Yes, I’m onboard with this crap being eradicated in this once great country.
           A country is only as Great as it’s people, and we have idiots driving the bus! It starts in the public schools, they are not for education, rather “INDOCTRINATION!”
           Sometimes the blood of the just must flow to release ourselves from tyranny!!

  • WP

    What is the Judges name he can be written to also can maybe get this on Bill o Reilly show he  will expose this stuff. I question why there is no Judges name just says Arizona Superior Court Judge.

    • GrizzMann

      WP, Last week’s ruling by a left wing Democrat, Judge Joseph Kreamer (a 2007 Janet Napolitano appointee) further emphasizes the growing threat of Islamic (Sharia) law

  • RobertJones1

    The judge needs to be disbared and removed from the bench. The girl is 19 years old and she needs to sue the courts and her parents. She can do this in this country.

    • WP

      @RobertJones1 Yes what is the Judges name ?

      • RobertJones1

        I do not know but I wished I did.

        • AlynaDgs

          @RobertJones1 Joseph Kreamer.  It says it a couple of times in the article. =)

        • Toni

          @RobertJones1
           Joseph Kreamer was the judge’s name.  it is in the article above

      • GrizzMann

        @RobertJones1 ,Last week’s ruling by a left wing Democrat, Judge Joseph Kreamer (a 2007 Janet Napolitano appointee) further emphasizes the growing threat of Islamic (Sharia) law

  • kaeuqs

    If these Muslims want to live in our country , they must abide by our laws…. If Americans are arrested { and rightly so } for abusing their children , are arrested & can serve prison time, so why is this so called Judge just giving probation ?? What is he waiting for, to murder their child ?? A lot to be desired for this Liberal judges !

  • SurferDude

    Aloha friends! INTERESTING ARTICLE!! to say the Least! More to the POINT,Very very Interesting COMMENTS and OBSERVATIONS as Well!!! However,the Issue I must Bring Up>? How many of You Have Done anything about IT! besides PONTIFICATE!! Not being a Jerk nor Mean,look at the Comment that says Someone Should e/mail this article to so n so!  lol   FOLKS we are ALL that SOMEBODY!!! Each n every One of US!! DO SOMETHING,Call SOMEONE, Forward an Article  etc etc!!!!!!! Then Write a Comment!!

  • Sleepr

    Not surprising at all. Islam is the only religion I know of that still beheads you if you do not convert to it! Let’s see where did read about those who were beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ…. Oh that’s right its in the book of Revelations 20:4….ow ain’t that something!!!

  • dondh

    This judge Kreamer needs to be disbarred and sent to Afghanistan or Pakistan for the rest of his life!  This is just dispicable!  judge, if that what you call yourself that, you are an idiot and disgrace to the judical profession!   Your butt is ok, but what about Aiya?  This is America you bozo!  Have some guts and abide by the law here in America, not those Islamic countries, but put those parents in jail and don’t give me that bit about what they did wasn’t even domestic violence!  If you knew the American law, you would know that it was attempted murder and for a felony as well!!  Now you anti-American, you have opened the door for more murder, felonies and domestic violence by this sadistic and satanistic religion!  If you had any guts, you’d stop this, but you are spineless!  I hope you are removed from the position you are in and never allowed to practice law again!!

  • Barbaradiane

    If enough letters pour into the Governor (or President), can this judge be ousted?  Would seem to me he violated our laws.  Sharia law has no legality in our USA.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @Barbaradiane    think again. It’s happening all over and we’re losing unless we have Jesus in our hearts, in which case there is no way to lose.

    • WP

      @Barbaradiane What Judge what is his or her name you have to have a name before you can write letters!

    • ConnieStanson

      @Barbaradiane No Barbaradiane, because OB is a Secular Muslim.

  • GrizzMann

    Democrats do nothing for black on black crime (Democrat war on blacks), Why should anyone expect Muslim on Muslim crime (Democrat war on Muslims?

  • hippygirl

    i say round all of muslims and ship them to parts unknown. they make my skin crawl.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @hippygirl    No, kill them. Stamp them out; they’re vermin

      • Gatorbmr

        @Tony Ruiz @hippygirl You’re right, they are like cancer cells. If you don’t eradicate all of them, the ones that remain will grow again! They are very dangerous!

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          @Tony  @hippygirl
           And how do you kill cancer cells? You block off the oxygen and blood supplies!

  • samlam

    These are the judges it has nothing to do with the USA, the judges need to go quick

  • dondh

    Get ready America for the worst!  The muslims are on there way full go!  In fact, they’ve already had a good start and this president isn’t going to do a thing about it and the presidents before were to blind to see what was happening!  America should take note of what the Prime Minister of Australia has said about muslims coming into their country!  See for yourself!!

    • NavyJR

      @dondh Of course he’s done something about it: he IMPORTED MORE of them, on OUR “dime”!  Since he IS a Muslim {ignore the protests; they’re taqqiya}, and supports their agenda I expect nothing different!

      • dondh

        @NavyJR
         Boy do you ever have that right NavyJR!  Just about a few weeks or so ago, he signed a bill to allow some 80,000 (I think that was the number, or there abouts) muslims free entry to America and who knows what else they will get, probably free housing and maybe food stamps, etc.!  As far as I’m concerned, this administration, specifically this president, should be IMPEACHED for the Benghasi incident which he has yet to do a thing about, four American dead!  Also, Iran’s aggression on our drone planes, plus a number of other anti-American things which he either has done something about or something that is not worth anything
        !  But unfortunately, this guy will put forth every lie he can come up with to weasel his way out of this serious problem, which is 10 times worse that Watergate with R. Nixon!    Thanks for your right on response to my first comment!!  GOD BLESS AMERICA!

        • Ray Downen

          @dondh  @NavyJR It was Obama who prevented aid being sent to the Benghazi four now dead. Obama is a Muslim. And a majority of our citizens re-elected him to have four more years to bring about our ruin. You wonder what Obama will do something about the Benghazi incident as if you didn’t know that it was he himself who is fully responsible for what happened. He alone is responsible! And he’s the one who will have opportunity to name prospective new judges to the Supreme Court as vacancies occur during the next four years.

        • Ray Downen

          @dondh  @NavyJR t was Obama who prevented aid being sent to the Benghazi four now dead. Obama is a Muslim. And a majority of our citizens re-elected him to have four more years to bring about our ruin. You wonder when Obama will do something about the Benghazi incident as if you didn’t know that it was he himself who is fully responsible for what happened. He alone is responsible! And he’s the one who will have opportunity to name prospective new judges to the Supreme Court as vacancies occur during the next four years.

    • sgtmoonwinx

      @dondh
       time to Lock ans Load.  but we had best hid every firearm we can get our hands on cause it the states can’t secede, we’re going to be needing them.

  • nosyjme

    If this is what these people want to do, then they need to pack their shit up and go do it somewhere freaking else… NOT HERE–NOT OK!!!!  I don’t give a shit what “religion” they claim to be this is NOT OK!!!!!!

  • Azzieman

    Here in Arizona, the ballot that we just had says only: Should this judge be kept in office? I skipped that whole part. Once, I voted no on all of them.There is no way to tell anything about a judge. In the good old days, a long time ago, judges had to run on a political platform, so, you knew what they thought, more or less. Then, the lawyers managed to get that changed, saying that politics did not matter. Oh, yes, it does. This piece of scorpion poison probably was OKed by the hoi polloi.
    They always achieve higher office, where the damage is even greater, as it then covers a much wider range of people, more districts, more states, all 57 of them, eventually.

  • SuziqueWA

    And this is what the demoncrats call tolerance and inclusivity??? Dear God in heaven!

  • WP

    Apparently torturing your offspring is no longer a violent offense in Phoenix, Arizona. Last week an Arizona Superior Court Judge awarded (and I mean awarded) probation to a Muslim family who admitted to kidnapping, beating and trying to kill their nineteen-year-old daughter. Islamists rejoice! “Honor violence” is now officially sanctioned as part of the American culture. YES AND WHAT IS THIS JUDGES NAME DOES ANYONE KNOW ?

    • HowardPettyjohn

      that is the case we are talking about.

  • RobertJones1

    His name is in the article.

    • WP

      @RobertJones1 where ?

    • RobertLCraft

      @RobertJones1 i know his name is in the article stupid.this is for the people of Arizona for they elected him.

      • WP

        @RobertLCraft  @RobertJones1 was the stupid directed at me Robert ?

        • Tony Ruiz

          @RobertLCraft  @RobertJones1    Yes, apparently

  • RobertLCraft

    you got to be kidding.why dont you Phoenix Arizona judge just bow down to theses people and kiss there back sides.you dont need to be a judge in this country .dont you realize those people want to kill you if you dont believe in there religion.

  • WP

    Judge Joseph Kreamer  this is the only name in the article so if this is the guy we need to write complain about his ruling and get the info to Bill O’ Reilly or we can just talk crap back and fourth and nothing will happen.  any ideas out there ?

  • the lighthouse

    and this judge is suppose to be educated. wow what t
    a moron in the law.
    he would rather up hold muslim law than  the US constitution. this is what is wrong with amercia
    judges that cant judge without a democratic agenda. wake up people if he can get away with it
    anyone else can. the thing is we do nothing we are as bad as the judge speak up people
    you do still have the freedom of speech until it is taken away from us

  • Tubby

    Hardly a surprise, as you can go in to your nearest army barracks, kill off a dozen or so people, if you follow Islam, & just call it “workplace violence”

    • HowardPettyjohn

      That major who killed all those troops was because he was a Muslim.  He still hasn’t been tried because he has grown a beard according to the Muslim religion and the  United States has put him on hold because they don’t know what to do about it.  He can’t grow a beard being active duty Army but he can being a Muslim….they think…Maybe.     Chit !

      • oldgringo

        Let’s send him to some foreign country…..call it rendition…..There we can have him tortured and even murdered….If Obama is tired of all the Musliim accusations…..A good way out!

  • enubus

    According to the article, his name is Joseph Kreamer appointed by Janet “the dog” Napolitano,

    • WP

      @enubus Judge Joseph Kreamer can some one get the info to Bill O’ Reilly to get it on the air.

  • DockyWocky

    This is a travesty of justice – allowing those primitive savages their way here in the US of A is a miscarriage of whatever justice used to exist in Arizona.
     
    This calls for vigilatism, as apparently, the authorities are powerless to act properly because of some secret deal.

    • WP

      @DockyWocky do not need vigilatism what ever that means ,we need to expose this Judge Joseph Kreamer to the media and public any ideas ?

  • Dwain Holmes

    No wonder this country has so many uninformed people!! They can`t or don`t comprehend what they read!I see sveral comments wondering what the judges name is!!I just skimmed the article and saw His name twice!

    • WP

      you must of got good grades in school now can you think how we can get this exposed to the media.

  • Joe lettieri

    .This is what you morons voted for in all your ignorance……..IM disgusted with the petty  greed and lack of patriotism of the apathetic US citizens and the complete lack of intelligence in our judicial system.What ever happened to our country?Where do these pathetic excuses for judges come from?……we may as well have muslim spies as our judges……..What part dont you idiots understand?……maybe when a few of you morons get you head cut off  you will get it……but after this last election I doubt it…………..IM ASHAMED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Disgusted

    It is a disgrace and I am truly tired of this lost society. No hope for the useless idiot crowd. I wonder if they even contemplate what their fate may be by tolerating this kind of action.

    • WP

      we do not have to tolerate it any idea how we can expose this to the media ?

  • patriot girl

    This is outrageous – I agree with several of the other comments – we need to get this to Bill O’Reilly ASAP!

  • miko

    Islam is every jugheads dream and I suspect many a fool will convert willingly. Imagine. You can beat your wife(s). Polyamy is legal for sharia adherants.  You can rape young girls claiming it;s your wedding night, just like Mohammy.
    Oh , and you can beat your wife…….see evey hicks dream.   Except no bacon ((..

  • RivahMitch

    This scum should not be allowed into our country. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again: Unless and until every muslim in America is at least as ill-at-ease as the average Copt in Egypt, America is losing the battle for survival. DEPOPULATE Islam!!!

    • WP

      @RivahMitch not gonna happen look who is in the WH

    • Ray Downen

      @RivahMitch We will be sorry for allowing Muslims to live in a once-free nation. We will be judged for allowing a foolish person to serve as a judge in this nation. Are we not all guilty of his sin because we allowed such a person to be installed as a judge? Surely we need to DO something about this case!

      • enubus

        @Ray Downen  @RivahMitch
         Like I did, send an email to Gov. Brewer and ask her to remove him from the bench!

      • Don39

        @Ray Downen  @RivahMitch Thanks for a voice of sanity.

    • Don39

      @RivahMitch I said it before and I’ll say it again, you dumb asses are barking up the wrong tree. You castigate people for doing what people do and give the judges and facilitators, a bunch of leftist fools , a free ride.

      • RivahMitch

        @Don39 Should the judge be removed from the bench? Absolutely. I’ve posted before that I’d give any judge who allows a murderer who becomes a recidivist out the same penalty the murderer should have had the first time. However, by admitting that muslims and their culture “do what people do”, you’re making my argument. Whether it’s defined as Honor killings” or “workplace violence” (Fort Hood, in case you forget), or sharia, it’s simply NOT something I need in my country. I didn’t crawl through rice patties 45 years ago to see this country adopt or allow a third world culture.

        • Don39

          @RivahMitch I was in those same rice patties and I stand by what I said . If you can not read it it is not my fault.

        • RivahMitch

          @Don39 Thanks for your service. I suspect I’m as literate as you are so I quite understand what you’re saying and agree with you about the judge. Never-the-less, I stand by my comment as well. Semper Fi!

  • miko

    For the Territory of Utah to become a State, the Mormons were ordered to give up polygomy.
    Wither Mormans can revert back to polygamy or muslims should be barred from it. We cannot have polygamy for muslims just cuz they have a dark skin tone and liberals wring their hands in free of offending.

    • Don39

      Dumb. Show me one case of Muslim polygamy. If you can, even though its off topic, I’ll appologise.

      • GreggThePilgrim

        @Don39 One case?  Read the Koran… a man may have up to 4 wives IF he can afford them.  Not only that, but by lying and claiming they are his sisters (BTW lying is also permissible in Islam if it furthers their agenda, it’s called Taqiyya, look it up), then all of them can claim benefits from the fed, including food stamps & welfare!!!

        • Don39

          @GreggThePilgrim I have read the Quran. I have lectured on the Quran. We were talking about in the US as in the application of Sharia Law in this country.. Get the facts before you jump froggy!

  • LarryGallo

    This same libtard would say NO to a Christmas tree in a town square.

    • ConnieStanson

      @LarryGallo Because the Muslims have told the president wannabe to stop all Christian Holidays. If they can take the Christ out of America, The easier it will be to Conquer us.

      • sgtmoonwinx

        @ConnieStanson  @LarryGallo
         Who ever let these disgusting people into America in the first place?

        • Don39

          @sgtmoonwinx  @ConnieStanson  @LarryGallo You mean like Obama and the leftist judge sanctioned by Maricopa County and the State of Arizona, right!

        • ConnieStanson

          @Don39  @sgtmoonwinx  @LarryGallo I’m not sure what your getting at., But I can tell you this. I can’t stand Obee and the damn Leftist Judges. or the Sanctions imposed on Maricopa, County. I am against Secularism, Communism, and the Islamic Military Movement. I hope this answers your question, Don 39.

        • ConnieStanson

          @sgtmoonwinx  @LarryGallo  Your not going to like this, but we did. When we didn’t research our candidates; we voted in office. We just rode on the ones that were voting. We didn’t realize those candidates were Socialist, Communist, and Muslims. Now we have to pay the price. I hope we can turn America around. There are no Safe, and Free place’s to go to now. We really screwed up !

        • RivahMitch

          @ConnieStanson  @sgtmoonwinx  @LarryGallo  What do you mean “we”? Some of us saw through the Kenyan Marxist from day one and have opposed him. If America was “the greatest country on earth”, why did it need to be “fundamentally transformed”? how could anyone not have realized what Obeyme was about?
           
          This 2nd election was, IMHO, determined by cheating, voter fraud and manipulation (concerning which none of the media dares to comment). When there are more votes than registered voters (or even residents) in a precinct, when Republican observers (and I’m a conservative republican, but NOT a Republican) are barred from polling places, when voting machines reject votes for one candidate, when votes are counted overseas by a group owned by George Soros, when military votes are deliberately made impossible and when Bozo only wins states without any sort of voter ID requirements, anyone who cannot figure out for themselves what’s going on has gotten exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, many of the rest of us have been dragged along for,the ride. We face Patrick Henry’s choice again.

  • Tony Ruiz
    • WP

      @Tony Ruiz Thank you Tony.

  • Humpfarnarkle

    That 19 year old girl should shoot that good for nothing father of hers right between the horns.  She should have any problem claiming self defense.

  • Humpfarnarkle

    That 19 year old girl should shoot that good for nothing father of hers right between the horns.  She should NOT have any problem claiming self defense.

  • pigboatpilot

    Isn’t Maricopa County Sheriff Joes’ county?

    • TerrenceDaniels

      Yes that is Sheriff Joe’s county… and he was just re-elected again!

      • Tony Ruiz

        @TerrenceDaniels    Thank God

  • djpj57

    Why am I not surprised?

  • DonRo

    Judge Kreamer is nothing but a black-robed, bench degenerate who should be taken out and hanged after a short hearing. Scum like that will result in innocent children being murdered by Muslim filth.

  • caleb2

    The answer to this problem lies in the problem itself.  The victim, a Muslim, is to be slain by her fellow Muslim parents.  If she is allowed to live she will breed more Muslim fanatics.  This appears to be a form of ‘self purification’ and if encouraged might solve the entire problem.
    None of them will become good citizens as their allegiance is to the Islam totally committed to the destruction of all that is not Islam.  They were just doing that which our country should be doing
    only on a much larger scale.

    • Don39

      @caleb2 You seem blind to the fact that this girl was trying to break out of the dogma!

  • Evermyrtle

    This is what our welfare is coming to and it won’t be long until they take over completely. That I I likely will not live to see it fulfilled but my children and my grandchildren will, and that scares me,COME LORD JESUS”

  • usmc1063

    We no longer have a judicial system that works. Jurist have fallen into the liberal pit of diversity where nothing is wrong unless it’s and issue that targets or concerns special groups and their lifestyles. I just read and article where a prominate American University condoned sexual expermentation amoung children citing they also deserved the pleasure it provides. Liberals have no morals nor do the no longer fear the justice system.

  • sgtmoonwinx

    Who ever let these disgusting people into America??

    • Don39

      @sgtmoonwinx You mean the leftist judge, right?

  • Tony Ruiz

    I love muslims to death

    • Don39

      @Tony Ruiz Some one should love the ignorant leftist judge to death. You can not blame the ignorant Muslim for doing what ignorant Muslims do and will continue to do as long as idiots like this judge are allowed to run free and lord it over us!

  • Don39

    Why do we expect leftist judges to be any more sane or moral than the leftist who appoint them and  elect them or the amoral left in general. Be they voter, minor politico, judge, or dog catcher, if they are leftist of any brand they have one thing in common, basic amorality, part of the sickness of liberal psychopathology. THEY ARE SICK and should be removed from office and in many cases are a threat to society and should be restrained! But what the hell, if America is the institution, the inmates are in charge of the institution and the moral minority are now in the cells.

  • Bang

    That’s why citizens have guns. To protect us against the government and bad judges. It’s well past time we put an end to wacko judges.

  • HG2

    This sounds like a plea bargin, if so blame the prosecutor, not the judge. The father pleaded to discon so under sentencing guidelines (set up to keep judges from being too lenient)  there’s only so much the judge can do.  Aslo, if the guy took a conviction to discon, then he didn’t admit to trying to kill his daughter.  Sounds like, for whatever reason, the DA let all three plead out to low level misdemenors.

    • PA_visitor

      @HG2 Judges are always free to reject plea bargains if they think the sentence is too light.

    • AFMomXs2

      @HG2I agree.  This sounds like a prosecutor trying to take the lazy way out or not open a huge can of worms before the Election.  So blame him/her fr not doing their job and getting the book thrown at the Rag Heads.   I say anyone who does this kind of crap should be deported on the spot and sent back to the rest of the Sand monkies.  I hope that the poor girl is staying with someone else and no where near her idiotic family.

  • WilliamEdwinRauh

    someone needs to be shot !!

  • caleb2

    The family is helping the USA out.  The girl is a Muslim!  When she marries she will breed more.  We are threatened by the very existence of ANY Muslims in the US.  Don’t blame the Judge.  Encourage Him in these matters dealing with Islam.
    All of Islam has one overwhelming and consuming goal:  The destruction of all that is not Islam.  We in America should have the same goal for all that is Islam both in the United States and the World!
    They formally declared War on the USA September 11 2001.  We should have enthusiastically reciprocated then but it’s not too late to do so now.

  • dhmill

    Whose fault is this? It’s the fault of the American voters. When the voters do not pay attention to who or what they vote for then they get what they get.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @dhmill   No my friend, it’s clearly Congress’ fault first, then us for allowing it.

  • Tony Ruiz
  • ConnieStanson

    100%  Right

  • WP
    • OldAzPatriot

      I also forwarded this article to all FOX reporters. Also, it would be helpful to contact Gov. Jan Brewer. See my post above for contact info

      • WP

        @OldAzPatriot Thank you.

  • Silverdollar1

    Todays times are falling inline with the bible,,,won’t be much longer.

  • OldAzPatriot

    I am a resident of Maricopa County, Arizona and I am very upset to see this sharia bias creeping into our legal system. I feel that his needs to be strongly and loudly brought to the attention of our Governor Jan Brewer. I would appreciate it if all Arizona residents would contact Gov. Brewer regarding this article. For those of you who are not Arizona residents but want to voice your opinion here are a few zip codes you can use (85375, 85260, 85013, 85015) when filling out the form. You can contact her on the following link;
    http://azgovernor.gov/Contact.asp
    Thank You.

    • scot_belle

      @OldAzPatriot
       Thank you for the zip codes, and yes, I will be adding my two cents in complaints to Gov. Brewer.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @OldAzPatriot    Do you really think she doesn’t know? I’m thinkin’ she does and is working on a plan for us…that’s who she is, and one of the reasons we left Californication a couple of months ago. We’re Arizonians now!

      • OldAzPatriot

        @Tony RuizGlad to have you on board Tony – Welcome to AZ. I am sure she probably knows. The problem is that quite often politicians fail to act unless we show them our displeasure with certain things. I hope you are right – I hope she is coming up with a plan right now.

  • jodieblonde

    ?Has this Arizona judge lost his mind? He should have to be responsible for her future well being.If they {the family} kill her,What then?

  • jodieblonde

    Has this judge lost his mind.This is insane.If any more harm comes to this young woman,the judge should be held responsible.

  • WP
  • edc

    These womens groups mentioned as being absent are all too busy defending the rights of selfish “me generation” people murdering their pre-born children.

  • HowardPettyjohn

    Sharia law is part of the Muslim religion but is it a religion ?  The US has accepted it as a religion and the US can make no laws against a religion.  No religion according to the first amendment.
    AMVET- It isn’t me saying Muslim is a religion.  Ala is not our God either.
    DON BAHN1- Biblical law is no longer used for what is now corporate law.  Man sets his own laws and punishments but they do use the biblical as their guides.  To spare the rod is no longer a law but we still use it.
    The 10 commandments are no longer law either but we followed it when man wrote his own laws.
    RAYMOND SMITH-I can’t justify Ariz and Texas taking custody of mormon kids and seperating married wives from a husband.  If it is allowed in their religion then the US, 1st Amendment says to leave them alone.  I think it is allowed in one of the sects but not the other….???

    • OldAzPatriot

      @HowardPettyjohnReligious freedom is only possible when the religions involved respect the right of the other religions to exist. Civil laws are civil laws. We had a case here in Arizona a couple of years ago that involved a muslim girl attending Arizona State University. She apparently was developing a relationship with a non-muslim male student and becoming “Americanized” and apparently “disgracing” the family. Her father ran her over a couple of times with his car to make doubly sure she was dead. He was convicted of murder as he should have been. Any religion should be welcomed by our country as long as it complies with our laws and respects the other religions that are already present. Muslims come here for one reason and one reason only and that is to totally undermine our society as we have known it for the last couple of hundred years. When in Rome do as the Romans do. This is our country and our laws are our laws. This is America – child abuse is against the law for ANY religion including muslims. If they want to kill their kids then they need to go back to wherever they came from to do it.

      • HowardPettyjohn

        OldAzPatriot   I agree with you but I know what the first amendment says and I know that our federal government accepts Muslims as a church or religious group.  Muslims are quite proud of their Sheria laws and this is not the first time their law has been honored.
        If child abuse is part of the religion according to the law it cannot make laws against it.
        I have been yelled at many times by people trying to defend their darlin Muslim friends.
        Almost as bad as Catholics.  Personally I have no use for Muslims just like they have no use for me.  Anyhoo…nice talkin with ya.

        • OldAzPatriot

          Sorry, but your logic escapes me. I attend a Bible Church and if I committed that level of abuse on my child CPS would have custody of the child and I would be sitting in “Tent City” right now. But, if I am a muslim I can defy the child abuse laws of the state of Arizona and I can get a free pass. You are saying that on the one hand we have to stretch the meaning of the first amendment for one religion and let them do whatever they want but on the other hand all the other religions have to comply with our civil laws. Sorry, but I think your thinking is a bit convoluted.

        • Jdangiel

          @HowardPettyjohn Oh yes they can!  If somebody brought back worship of Baal and throwing live babies into a bonfire, it would stop in one hell of a hurry.

        • Jdangiel

          @HowardPettyjohn And what is with the uninformed, anti-Catholic bigotry?  You really are a bright one, aren’t ya?

    • DRLJR

      @HowardPettyjohn Islam is not a religion.  It is a political system with a religious component.  In order to get his god (moon god – the word Allah apparently simply means “the god”) worshiped and only his god Mohammed create a political structure to enforce it.  This is why people who reject Islam or its indoctrination are killed.  Thinking for one’s self is good for maintaining a cult like Islam.

      • HowardPettyjohn

        I did not intend to say that I thought Islam was a religion, no way.  I do know that our federal government claims them as a religion.  And yes, Allah is the moon god.

        • paflaglady

          @HowardPettyjohn You really shouldn’t make blanket statements about a word. There are Arab Christians that use “Allah” meaning “one God”. It is an Arabic word.

  • WP
  • dotsdot

    Muslims along with all people who immigrate are no longer coming to free themselves, they are coming to change the USA and guess what it is working. Do you see the freebies we give them. It used to be when people came here they learned the language and customs now they want to continue to speak their native tongue and segragate themselves in their little corner of the country and change it into a mini cuba or mini Mexico etc. They don’t want to join our country they want to extend theirs. We help by handing out food stamps, health care, SS etc. We are dooming ourselves !

  • juil

    There is a great Feed Website that shows what Muslims around the world are doing. Just Google TheReligionofPeace.com there you will see this is just the tip of the ice.

  • thistle

    So, if I spank a 5 year old, leaving no mark, except a pink spot with my hand, over his clothes, I can lose my child to foster care and be incarcerated.  But if I cry Sharia…I can slit their throat and otherwise torture and abuse and tie up?

    • Ray Downen

      @thistle Yes, you get the picture if the judge is stupid or not thinking straight that day. The very least the judge should have done was to remove the victim from that home and put her in a safe home where her parents couldn’t continue abusing her.

  • WP
  • scot_belle

    Nineteen…is NOT a child.  This is a young adult woman.  HOWEVER, even with that being the reality, that Judge needs to be taken to the woodshed, because NO ONE should be allowed to do that sort of violence to anyone!!
     
    Sharia law, and honor crimes, are NOT what we do here in America!!  THIS IS CRIMINAL….both the crime, and then compounded by that liberal Judge!!

  • CarolyneMas

    The bigger picture is that war and conflict are being provoked by the government in this country. The more hate they can stoke, the better. Americans are playing right into their hands, and they know that. If people could only channel some of that outrage towards the government who deliberately provokes cultural and racial division, because they are screwing all of us at the same time, then maybe we could do something about THEM! A fine example of racial tension is happening right now in Greece, because they know that the people’s energy can be diverted away from the real oppressors by creating these kinds of internal conflicts as a diversion.

    • WP

      @CarolyneMas The channel for outrage is voting & looks like to many people sat home and did not vote for some reason. So now we need to pray for this guy that he will do the right thing for the country.

      • steveni

        @CarolyneMas Or they did vote and their vote was not counted or changed.

        • Ray Downen

          @CarolyneMas Steveni comments correctly. But the total vote count indicates that many Republicans simply did not vote or else their votes were indeed somehow not counted.

      • Ray Downen

        @CarolyneMas From his record it’s obvious that Obama will not do anything good for this nation. We need to pray for the nation that God will raise up a savior to protect us from Obama.

        • mallen11

          @Ray Downen  @CarolyneMas
           Ray, I believe We the People need to turn back to God before He will raise up anyone to help us as a nation. I know He does individually.

    • Ray Downen

      @CarolyneMas Silly me. I thought comments here should be about the news report and comments concerning the 19-year-old girl and her parents!

  • Douglas

    This article is BS! I didn’t read once where “Mohamed made me do it” was said. It sounds like a disturbed parent. The eighth paragraph should have read “This is not Kabul,Tehran or TEL AVIV; this is the United States of America.” I know BS when I smell it, and I smell it here.

    • Uncle Johnson

      Check Yahoo news for Nov 6. Muslim family gets probation in Phoenix. They have video as well. Good luck.

      • Douglas

        @Uncle Johnson Yes Uncle John, I did. No where did it say “because we are muslim, just Iraqi culture”. Also did you read the last paragraph? Apparently not. Oh and by the way “Yahoo News”!?!?! Get real would you.

        • Ray Downen

          @Uncle Johnson The acts were strictly in accord with Shariah law, and absolutely illegal under the law of the United States of America. Why is that judge still in office?

        • Uncle Johnson

          @Ray Downen
           The Judge was re-elected with over 64% of the vote in his last election.

        • Uncle Johnson

          There are other reports that have identified all family members as Muslim. Believe what you will. My suggestion about Yahoo news was made because they had video. Hard to argue with video.
           
          You claim article is BS. Clearly you are angry about something, but that doesn’t make you right. Check Radical Islam.Org. Maybe this will help you.

    • wheagle

      TEL AVIV???? Antisemitism is clearly obstructing your thinking, Douglas

      • Douglas

        Yes! Tel Aviv is the Capital of Human Rights I forgot. Anti-semitism? Give me a f*=ckin’ break.

    • babcicathy

      You need to re-read the article…a disturbed parent?  How about 2 of them and a whacked sibling? Sounds like gang abuse to me…no matter what religion.

      • Douglas

        @babcicathy Still it doesn’t say “Islam made us do it” does it?

        • Ray Downen

          @babcicathy Are you, Douglas as ignorant as your question makes you appear? Anyone who knows even a little about Islam recognizes that the parents acted according to Shariah law, Islamic law. And the judge said it was O.K. for her father to try to cut off her head!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @babcicathy BUT they are in America and our laws are the law of the land, Shariah law should be annihilated

    • Ray Downen

      The Muslims acted like Muslims. That sort of conduct is not legal in this nation but the judge chose to not penalize the guilty at all and offered no security for the victim. Bad judge! No logic in his decision.

  • DRLJR

    This is a judge who should be removed from the bench and a new sentencing held.  This is clearly, from what is reported, an attempted homicide.  Standard for Islam and for those who refuse to look at Islam honestly consider what is happening where Islam has control.  Look at Islam’s real history.  Remember, until Islam invaded North Africa, the Middle East and Arabia the areas were Christian, Jewish and Pagan – including the worship of Mohammed’s god (the Moon god).

  • irma

    Now THIS sounds like a war against women!  The Judge should have ordered the girl’s father to be castrated!   — And the same goes for the rest of these creeps who want to enslave women and treat them like chattel.

    • Ray Downen

      The man should have been tried for attempted murder and jailed since he admitted he was guilty. The judge is no judge at all, at least in this case.

  • Gidge

    They want to live under Sharia Law let them go back to the country they came from. Sharia Law does not belong in the US Courts. Why did these people come here if not to be westernized.

    • ProudUSAVet

      Gov. Christi of New Jersey has named two Muslim judges who believe  in Sharia Law – one to the Court of Appeals and one to the state Supreme Court.   This RINO helped defeat Romney with his statements of support for Obama because he visited NJ for three hours before flying to Las Vegas for a fundraiser.  Obama’s parting words:  “If you have any problems, check out the internet.”

      • ConnieStanson

        That #$#%%#@   They I mean all of our Government Officials, Cannot have America. Something has to be done Soon……

        • NavyJR

          @ConnieStanson Have you signed your state’s petition for peaceful secession?  If not, do so; there’s one going for EVERY state now, on the White House page.

        • ConnieStanson

          @NavyJR   Yes I have, but thank you for asking.

  • Bruce 11

    This judge should be impeached.  If our laws stop working then the people have the right to fire the idiots and if that doesn’t work than the tree of Liberty will be nourished by the blood of Patriots.

    • Ray Downen

      @Bruce 11 Indeed the “judge” needs to be removed from his position! The young lady was victim of an attempted murder and then sent back to the same home where she was a victim.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Bruce 11 To allow them to come into our country and use their law or use their law ourselves is only part of our problem in America We have sold out to the enemy and washed “GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST” down the drain, which was attempted and was the intention the law  in this case. Of course they have not a clue that GOD is still MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE THAT HE CREATES AND ALL OS WHAT IS IN IT.

  • GUEST

    I live in Phoenix,AZ, the last I saw on our local news ( before this trial) the young woman involved had refused to make any charges against her family  and was back at home living with them.  I must have missed a lot, because this is the first I’ve heard about this case until now………..I do know that last year there was another case similar to this, in that case the father of the young woman ran her over and killed her.  She had refused to marry the man her family had chosen for her.  The father was tried and sent to prison.

  • harleydavidson

    where are the liberals here?  i know they are all cowards when it comes to dealing with muslims.

  • Mohammads picture

    Send them back to their god forsaken country. There are reasons god has forsaken these godless savages. Nuke them to hell. God bless America…

  • ConnieStanson

    Islam is NOT a Religion, It is a form of Military. Out to Kill All Americans as possible and enforce their beliefs. Blaming religion. They are just a bunch of Killers. This is Evil walking the earth. Shear Evil.

  • Sgt York

    Just where in hell are headed? O’Vomit and thugs are winning.We all must stand up to this type of crap here in America and stop it NOW

    • fubaglady

      @Sgt York
       Unfortunately, 51% of the voting public is fine with OVomit and his thugs.  We are past the tipping point now.  Secession is more likely than stopping anything they are doing now.

  • steveni

    I blame Obama.

  • Tony Ruiz

    NOTICE TO ALL ON THIS SITE: It may be monitored and any of our extremist statements here may win us a reservation at one of the many FEMA sites. Let’s back off and cool it down a tad; I know how you feel. I feel the same way. We have to find another way of communicating between loyal American

    • charles lindsey

      @Tony Ruiz They have a law here In Texas,that any one coming in and taking a civilian away under the NDAA  order, will go to prison.

      • Sam in NC

        @charles lindsey  @Tony Ruiz That oughta be a nationwide law !!!!

    • ken o

      @Tony Ruiz
       These people are NOT loyal Americans,They are traitors,
      ken o

    • fubaglady

      @Tony Ruiz
       FEMA & The FEDS can kiss my ass.

  • Thunderbob

    The Judge needs to be impeached for not supporting the Constitution or Arizona law!

    • BobMarshall

      @Thunderbob Along with Obama since he has ignored the Constitution sixteen times so far this year. he has also called for a new”living progressive” constitution along with George Soros and Cass Sunstein.

    • fubaglady

      @Thunderbob
       Yeah, right.  Just as soon as they impeach the President for violating the Constitution on a daily basis like’s he’s done for the last 4 yrs.  Face it…our Govt doesn’t care about the Constitution anymore…and neither do 51% of our population.

  • Earl Lively

    Tut, tut. Her family couldn’t be guilty of a federal hate crime. In our New Age of Political Correctness, under its double standard, only white people can be guilty of a “hate crime.” When I read, in the first two lines of this story, that this was an Arizona state judge, I was ready to give 100-to-one odds that this creep was appointed to the bench by Janet Napolitano (an even more disgusting and evil creep), when she was governor of that state, before she went to D.C. to help Obama destroy the whole nation.

  • Gosh and Golly

    Well, so long as her reproductive ‘rights’ weren’t infringed, I don’t think it’s a problem with the libs.

    • fubaglady

      @Gosh and Golly
       good point.  Ugh.

  • enoughalready4

    Yeah, the Democrats got 80-90% of the Muslim vote.  Muslims want Sharia Law.  I can’t think of anything more “ANTI-WOMAN” than Sharia–stoning, forced marriages, honor killings, prohibited from getting an education.  Yeah baby…we’re the DEMOCRATS!!!!  AND..the Gays should think about this…Muslims hang Homosexuals!!

    • ladypatriot

      @enoughalready4 I wish you could tell thousands of people this!  I wish a few of these posts would be seen by thousands.  They make good sense and that is what Americans need to hear now!

      • enoughalready4

        @ladypatriot I have told this to a few people.  My question is, “why can’t the Republican strategists think if this when Romney is under fire?”  I mean I do not belong to organized religion but I believe in God, Jesus and heaven.  How can anyone belong to a party that “boos” God at their Convention. AND…at their Convention there were hoards of people sitting their with shirts that said ARAB league on them which is (I am sure) one of the reasons God was “boo’d because they worship “Allah”—   AND they were sitting next to homosexuals.  I found it laughable how stupid these people were that two “life forms” totally incompatible were “best buds” to take down Republicans!!  I have family members that are Gay and they are good people.  That is not an issue for me.  However, Sharia and radical Islam—they will end civilization.

  • MYS77

    Right is right and wrong is wrong…. If these people had done this to a stranger… they would all be in jail. Talk about women, being second class citizens. If these people had beat an animal there would be more outrage!!! Does this young woman have to die for her to get justice???? It is time to start empowering Muslim women to get out and fight back against this barbaric macho cult!!!!

  • BrendaTorres

    Under Obama and after he gets the opportunity to appoint two or three more Supreme Court Judges….Thanx to ya’ll for re-electing him……But, you WILL be seeing the shariah law coming to our very own judicial system.

    • Jdangiel

      @BrendaTorres They have to approved by the senate.  The reps can stand tough if they want.

      • Einherr

        @Jdangiel  @BrendaTorres
         Haven’t you noticed? The dupes have elected a demoncrat Senate.

      • fubaglady

        @Jdangiel  @BrendaTorres
         The Senate will do whatever the tin pot messiah tells them to do.  Or haven’t you noticed. And the House is usually busy hiding.

        • OhGator

          @fubaglady  @Jdangiel  @BrendaTorres
           You are right on target fubaglady. For Obama, there is no church or synagogue, only mosque.

    • ladypatriot

      @BrendaTorres OH FECES!!!!!!!!

  • Frands Halls

    Is this the legacy of the Obama administration?  Sorry America you have sold your soul to the devil!

    • Jdangiel

      @Frands Halls They didn’t even sell it.  They just gave it away.

      • fubaglady

        @Jdangiel  @Frands Halls
         But they got Obamaphones…so I guess their soul was worth that bargain to them.  Disgraceful

  • Thunderbob

    It’s amazing how the “supposed” feminist, code Pink and the rest of  two faced. hate America and Men, groups just set by and allow this to happen! In fact they encourage it at every turn. If you beat a animal you can go to jail for years. But if you are a muslim you can not only beat your daughter(same as a dog) or even kill her and it’s an honor killing. Then there are Judges that will say that the daughter was at fault so probation is ok! How much do you want to bet that the Judge  went to Harvard!

  • jhngoodell

    Our President supports Sheria Law, what can possibly be wrong with it, is he not a Muslim and a God?

  • Buster

    Hmm, proof of life threatening torture, family prison, violation of an adults rights, a history of honor killings associated with Islamic followers, forced marriage which will lead to sex slavery against her will and nothing but probation for the violators.  She is extremely lucky to be alive and will probably not live much longer with this family.  
     
    The 18 year old sister participated too, she was probably forced to and her life was equally threatened if she didn’t or she is so brainwashed she doesn’t know any better, it’s only a matter of time before she will meet the same fate, if she hasn’t already.   
     
    I guess the judge would rather see her killed by her family or forced to marry, mate and create more children to a 38 year old pervert that her family has demanded her to be with all in the name of Allah.  Wonder if she will force her children into marriage or torture/kill them for the same reasons.  
     
    Sounds like ONE of MANY REASONS America became AMERICA.  To flee religious persecution.  I don’t get it.  She probably doesn’t either.  
     
    At 19, she has many  choices available to her in America that would allow her to leave the family insanity and make it on her own but she is more than likely uneducated, unaware and prevented from gaining the knowledge necessary to fly the coop.  
     
    Hope she makes it but history tells me she won’t last another year.  
     
    All for BANNING ISLAM in America.  Stop the BRAIN WASHING, before it’s to late.

  • roughman

    Are you kidding?

  • ckb1342

    Why aren’t the Catholics protecting this girl?  They formed safe houses for the illegals.  This is not the first incident that I have read about in Arizona.  Last year I remember a father murdering the daughter because she was becoming to Americanized.  The father ran over the daughter with his car.  When I we going to step up and ask our government to take these Muslim families and either deport them or interview them to see if they are true Muslim who believes in harming the children if they wonder into civilization or American culture.

  • deaddog

    OUR PROBLEM WITH OBAMA, HOLDER, THEIR CRIMINAL CRONIES, AND THE SCOURGE OF ISLAM IS THAT ALTHOUGH WE KNOW WHAT IS MORALLY AND LEGALLY RIGHT AND WRONG, OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS RIGHT UNDER THE AMERICAN BILL OF RIGHTS, THE US CONSTITUTION, ETC. IS CONSTANTLY BEING WEAKENED AND ERODED BY THE CRIMINAL AND UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR OF THOSE IN THE HIGHEST POSITIONS OF POWER IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND IN THE AMERICAN MASS MEDIA.  
     
    AS DENNIS MILLER ASTUTELY OBSERVED ABOUT ROMNEY, IT IS TIME TO TAKE OFF THE PILGRIM HAT AND SHOE BUCKLES. THE $64,000 QUESTION IS HOW DO WE TRANSLATE TAKING OFF THE PILGRIM HAT AND SHOE BUCKLES INTO SPECIFIC ACTIONS AND BEHAVIORS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO CRUSHINGLY DEFEAT THE BAD GUYS IN THE HIGHEST POSITIONS OF POWER AND WIN BACK OUR COUNTRY AND OUR AMERICAN VALUES, PARTICULARLY OUR LIBERTY?

  • JohnMcBride1

    If they had been Christians, CPS would have taken the children.  See any double standards here?

    • DavidLeoHeatherly

      @JohnMcBride1 a 19 year old isn’t a child and if she’s really worried she can leave. Not to mention but the sisters age isn’t given so you base that little nugget of nonsense on what exactly?

      • Grandmaw

        @DavidLeoHeatherly  @JohnMcBride1 Article states that the sister is 18 years old.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem BigGoofyGuy

    One would have to be blind not to see the double standards. IMO; there is no honor in killing ones daughter no matter how she ‘dishonored her family’.

  • SteveBuckley

    Welcome to the “New” US of A. Especially in light of a nationwide filing for secession of all 50 states from the union. This ought to be real interesting to watch.

  • sad in america

    i thought America was a society which wanted equal treatment and rights for both Sexes. the Judge needs to be ashamed of himself and resign. how would he behave if his niece or granddaughter was the victim of this morbid behavior

  • Cowgirl

    Here are some numbers to call:  NBC – (212) 664-3720……ABC – (212) 456-7777…….CBS – (212) 975-4321……CNN – (404) 827-1500……call them and tell them to report this…..America deserves to know the truth.

    • Jim Bragg

      @Cowgirl
       You can forget those phone numbers as they don’t care. Now you might try phoning FOX News as THEY will publish it!

    • fubaglady

      @Cowgirl
       Surely you jest.  You think any of the MSM care about Sharia Law?  They don’t even care about 4 dead Americans in Benghazi…or 301 murdered in Fast & Furious scandal…or election rigging.  They aren’t going to care a whit about Sharia in America.

    • Whackajig

      @Cowgirl
       Don’t waste your time calling the lame stream media.  They have the news but just fail to report it.

  • sad in america

    it is a sad day when any female is not safe from Zealots of her own family. are we living inPeshawar or Lahore.
    judge should be ashamed and resign for his sad and pathetic ruling. if any harm comes to this young lady Judge should also be held responsible.

  • Jim Bragg

    What in the hell is wrong with people? These people should be charged with multiple felonies and the girl granted a restraining order!

  • MizGeek

    Everyone know Islam is the religion of peace, this was just a misunderstanding.  Nothing more to see here.

    • RonieGrams

      you are NUTS islam is not a religion of peace, they are HATERS @MizGeek

      • fubaglady

        @RonieGrams  @MizGeek
         He;s not nuts…he was being sarcastic.

  • mallen11

    Unfortunately, We the People have allowed this to happen in our country. It is now our problem to take care of it. How? Put God first in our life, learn His ways, apply them to our life and our country will again be blessed by the God of the Bible. There is nothing man can do to change this country; only God.
    Isaiah 55:7-9 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.  “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.  “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

  • NavyJR

    @Connie Stanson: Keep talking, some will hear most won’t until the “sky does fall” on their heads…

  • dfingers

    If I so much as hear anyone, especially islamic pagans, hurting anyone in the name of their pagan moon god, I start cleaning house.

  • http://iiiunlimited.webs.com/ daveme

    what stupid, mindless judge would allow such a travesty to take place?  the leaders of this country are worthless.

    • Whackajig

      @daveme
       you elected them

  • NavyJR

    @Dondh: I remember Watergate; and the British media announcing they never believed we’d actually bombed those dykes anyway.  They were so confused between what Nixon’s re-election campaign committee did in the Watergate building, and the carpet bombings going on over N Vietnam at the time, which were said to have destroyed some dykes there.  It was a running joke in the DC area at the time.  However what happened in Watergate, criminal as that was, was NOTHING by comparison to what happened in Benghazi.  Stealing Dems’ election campaign plans/information scarcely compares to underhanded dealings that would smuggle weapons to the Syrians; via the Turks, and in the end got 4 Americans MURDERED, and cost at least 3 more their careers, thus far, that we know about, is even beyond the Iran-Contra affair under Reagan that got Oliver North in trouble too.

    • dhmill

      @NavyJR
       Stealing election campaign plans? What about flat out stealing votes!!! Here in Ohio we had 143,000 voting for Obamam in an area where they only had 75,000 registered voters!!  68,000 votes from people who didn’t even exist!    And what happens? The powers that be just shine it on.  I hate to say it in my own country but violence rules!

  • LonMike

    I am very cautious when it comes to these decisions. On the one hand from the description here it would seem to be an obvious decision to make. On the other hand, there are those parent that I know of that have been prosecuted or had their children taken away by the courts because they disciplined their children by “spanking” them. One the one hand I do not want courts to stop the discipline of children, but on the other hand there needs to be prevention of assult and abuse, even attempted murder. That I believe crosses the line!

  • R Young

    This court marches right along with the Supreme Court in its decision that sanctioned burning the Flag as freedom of Speech.  When the Supreme Court decided that one they sanctioned an action as Free Speech.  In doing so they gave us a right that few realize.  That right :  If you or I who believe that burning the flag is not “Free Speech” then as long as we are protesting against the person or persons burning the flag while we are kicking their ass, then we too are within our rights of Free Speech!

  • TimEggert

    Another brain dead judge. Where do they all come from? Our law schools need to be investigated as to waht they are teaching

  • Benjamin Wabich

    Hang in there Mr. obamagas, we obviously are learning how to act like you want us to be.  Not speaking for myself naturally.

  • http://yahoo.com/ FreedomSpeaks2U

    Medical Professionals have finally determined that “Liberalism” is a MENTAL DISORDER…
    This article serves to PROVE what many American Patriots know and detest….the EVIL of Liberalism…!!!
    May any of you who support the DemocRATS and their FILTH be cursed for ever for the misery you have brought upon America….!!!

  • Mohammads picture

    This has become a nation of cowards and our fathers would and should be ashamed. They fought to keep oppression out of America but now it’s welcomed and celebrated. Activist judges allowed to make law and not upholding the laws already on the books. Teachers not teaching but indoctrinating our children. The church being demonized by the media. The war on religion and Christian beliefs. The very beliefs that our country was founded on. Basically outlawing Christmas. Our city this year has removed Santa Claus, Christmas trees and ant mention of Christmas in the holiday lights in the city park. They have included aliens dancing, horses and several other light displays that have nothing to do with Christmas. America asked for what it’s getting and it’s just getting started. Unless we stand by Israel and stop Iran its not going to matter. Our best bet if we keep on this path is to buy Rosetta Stone and learn Mandarin Chinese and Russian.

  • SC resident

    Did you ever think that the judge’s life or that of his family may have been threatened had he ruled against them?  Why do so many people refuse to answer questions about Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and other crimes?  Why did Hillary stay quiet about so quiet when she was running for president?  Why are the media turning their heads to all of these crimes?  What happened to Andrew Breitbart???????????  Who, when his or her family is threatened, would be brave enough to tell the truth?

    • Pilars

      Good point!

    • fubaglady

      I was thinking the same thing. It’s how Obama learned to operate with all his Muslim influences. That’s what they do….threaten and intimidate.

  • cdarwincole

    Tony, I understand and agree with the sentiment. But please bear in mind that there are as many sorts of Muslims as Christians. Some Americans are criminals. Does that mean all are? Of course not.
     
    I am not Catholic. I am not a Christian Fundamentalist. If anything, I sort of an agnostic Christian, whether you can accept the concept or not. Anyway, there are lots of Muslims who are no different in their essential world view and loyalty to the Constitution than you and me.
     
    The Jihadists and Islamists are the problem. Yes, they should be deported for advocating an overthrow of our Constitutional government. (So should Obama, for that matter.) They should be dealt with with lethal force whenever they threaten harm to our citizenry. But a great number of people who call themselves Muslims (and that is THEIR choice) are not that sort. They are good people.

    • dhmill

      @cdarwincole
       And now we know why shira law is accepted.   There is a muslim mosque in Akron Ohio that also has a school for their kids. Even for the children of the “good muslim people”. That school  has a map of the Middle East that does not show Israel because Israel does not exist. The children of the “good muslim people” are being taught that.  It’s beyond time to do what is right.

    • Uncle Johnson

      @cdarwincole
       I understand your point but you are wrong. Our problem is Islam. Americanized Muslims, if loyal to their faith will become as Islamist as new muslim immigrants or they will be treated like infidels. Odds are they will chose Ilsam over Americanization or moderation as time goes by. The “not all muslims are the same” speech is a very dangerous. You should see what non-jihadists are doing in our public education system. All about indoctrination of our youth. Just because they arent waving AK’s and slinging around RPG’s doesn;t mean they arent a threat.  No offense but what the heck is an agnostic christian exactly.  Is that like a log cabin conservative republican?

  • RJKatz1

    There is the Sharia compliant Judge in New Jersey who held that because a man beat his wife under the cultural norms of sharia that an assailant was not guilty (later reversed). Or how about Judge Mark Martin in Pennsylvania who ignored the testimony of a policeman who witnessed an assault by a Muslim on a person wearing a Mohammed Costume. Or then again a elected Judge in a growing Muslim community who ruled that four Muslim students were not guilt of battery of a Christian student during a football game citing that injuries were common in this sport.  
     
    We must send a message to the judiciary that preferential treatment of clearly guilty Muslims will result with their removal from the bench.  By the way. Judge Mark Martin was relocated to a different jurisdiction and his whereabouts are unknown.

  • OhGator

    PROBATION? ? ? ? Should have hung him from his privates. We need judges, politicians, news reporters to stand on their two feet and tell muslims that this is America. We don’t treat women this way and you have committed a crime that is punishable with incarceration, for a long time. Muslims need to be deported, particularly for these types of acts.

  • dmoneekqua63

    UNBELIEVABLE!!!
    If these people want to live here they need to Americanize or GO BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM! This should not be tolerated on Our Soil Ever!

    • dhmill

      @dmoneekqua63
       So……….what are YOU going to DO about it?  Talk or act?

  • OhGator

    I suspiciion that our judges, politicians, etc are being threatened with harm to them or their families by muslims if they do not do what they are told. WE NEED AN  FBI INVESTIGATION into these matters. Any judge fearful of doing what they are being told to do need to step down in every such threats.

    • keepyourpower

      @OhGator Forgetaboutit…as long as Holder and Obama are in charge the FBI is impotent.

  • Susan

    I thought that in this country a 19 year old was free to flee a family who treated her like that.  Someone should rescue her and tell her she doesn’t have to live with her family!

  • teufel hunden

    We have a major malfunction in this country as none of these bozo judges, politicians, agency heads or bureaucrats in leadership positions have had a gun pointed to their empty heads and told what to do. The reason it is happening is because they think that nirvana will be achieved through the acceptance of the enemy. How wrong can they be….FOOLS!!!
     “All warfare is based on deception” – Sun Tzu

    • dhmill

      @teufel hunden
       That is exactly why they want us to be disarmed. Because they are afraid that they will have a gun pointed at their heads.

  • lindar1

    Bottom line here to all comments:  Sharia law HAS infiltrated our country in all areas. WHY? HOW?  Simply because too many millions don’t have a clue what we’re dealing with here.  Sharia law IS NOT compatible with U.S. Constitution at ANY level. How many here know that? Apparently this judge doesn’t get the connection. How to stop this? Get involved on local level with elected judges, state reps & senators. Get yourself informed on history of sharia law & the islamic plan according to their Koran to take over this country within by destroying Constitution. Educate/inform state reps…push them to pass a bill forbidding ANY foreign law to rule in your state & that ONLY state & U.S. law prevails.
    Contact: http://www.ActforAmerica.org . & form your own local chapter…they have great tools (pamplets, etc) to send to your state legislators, sheriffs, city councils. Sound like too much work?  Then don’t complain when the day comes in the not to distant future that we become ruled by sharia law. It WILL happen; it  IS the plan.

    • dhmill

      @lindar1
       I have a good tool also. I won’t say what it is but it’s quite accurate at long range.
      Of course at close range a .44 mag is also a good tool. Even if you are not a good shot, it will often remove whatever body part it comes in contact with. A leg removed from the knee down can be quite deadly.  It’s past time to fight back in a permanet way.

  • REIDC

    That’s just great these Neanderthals get a slap on the wrist for this atrocity and here in Kansas an 18 you Boy Gets slammed for possession of a Can of beer and pipe with only residue believed to be Pot. The KS authorities act like they’ve captured Al Capone and the fate of Western Civilization rests on making this kid pay thousands in fines , fees and time in jail. Justice is indeed blind as well as crazy

    • NavyJR

      @REIDC I don’t mean this “racially” so to speak, but your boy up there must be a white kid; nobody else would get slammed like that… not under Holder’s watch anyway…

  • keepyourpower

    Animals! She is 19..she does not HAVE to go back home. if she wants to come to SC I will take her in.

  • Texasgals

    As the grandmother of five girls this scares me beyond words….I said it four years ago and it’s true today, you better start buying bolts and bolts of fabric because you’ll soon been forced to wear a berqua or be put to death…I’ll take the latter after I run out of ammo!

  • Texasgals

    http://www.actforamerica.org…was just blewn off a post…so go there and check it out…why? cause someone is afriad you will see the truth?

    • mg67

      @Texasgals 
       
      Fix your link, it won’t go there. :)

      • dhmill

        @mg67  @Texasgals
         Type it in . It works

        • mg67

          @dhmill  @Texasgals 
           
          It’s not for me, I’m on their mailing list. Some people won’t take the time to type it, the link is faster.

  • Texasgals
  • piolenc

    I’m acutely aware of the split in Arizona – and probably throughout the Southwest – between the cowboy ethic and patriotism of the ordinary folk and the Bolshevik tendencies of the urban elite who dominate all phases of government employment. This is a particularly nasty example. Arizonans, take back your government, and especially its judiciary!

    • dhmill

      @piolenc
       .44 mag can solve problems. Just ask Dirty Harry.

    • Uncle Johnson

      @piolenc
       Great post. You hit the nail on the head. The cities are destroying our nation.

      • piolenc

        @Uncle Johnson Thanks! I’m really good at stating the obvious.

  • mg67

    Barbaric. The prez is a sympathizer of these murdering scum and claims to be Christian…LOL…  Hitlery Clinton was over in the middle east with her arms wide open to let the murderers come to our country. Arizona has it’s share of *ILLEGALS* entering and occupying the USA and not enough has been done about it. We have too many internal problems going on and with the re-election of the occupier in the White House plantation, we aren’t getting ahead and “O” says we’re moving forward…LOL… But in Demo-Lib-tard that equals getting ahead , go figure! Soon the murdering scum will have their way and they’ll start murdering whoever they want, even those that support them. The Muslim murderers have no discretion who they murder because they murder their own, sometimes for the joy. Sick!!!

  • mg67

    Barbaric. The prez is a sympathizer of these murdering scum and claims to be Christian…LOL…  Hitlery Clinton was over in the middle east with her arms wide open to let the murderers come to our country. Arizona has it’s share of *ILLEGALS* entering and occupying the USA and not enough has been done about it. We have too many internal problems going on and with the re-election of the occupier in the White House plantation, we aren’t getting ahead and “O” says we’re moving forward…LOL… But in Demo-Lib-tard that equals getting ahead, go figure! Soon the murdering scum will have their way and they’ll start murdering whoever they want, even those that support them. The Muslim murderers have no discretion who they murder because they murder their own, sometimes for the joy. Sick!!!

    • dhmill

      @mg67
       Dirty Harry had the answer, “Go ahead, make my day”

    • OhGator

      @mg67
       The prez is not only a sympathizer but is a muslim. How this sob got re-elected is beyond stupid. I just watched some woman, a news reporter gush over Obama, probably peeing down her leg, like so many women do and have done at the sound of his voice. She couldn’t deal with facts but only her love affair with a mirage, a disgusting muslim, an anti-America president, the divider in chief, the “Ill spend this country into oblivion and you are going to like it:. I’m going to give away all kinds of things at your expense to get your vote and you’re too stupid to see what I’m doing to you. I have the press eating out of my hand  and they will tell you what I want them to tell you. And that is exactly what the press has done. They are collectively as anti-American as the president.

      • Fiesty

        @OhGator  @mg67
         You got it!  I wish more could see the true obama as you and I have. Now we will all pay for their foolishness.

      • mg67

        @OhGator 
        Thankfully there’s FOX news because the job as a reporter is to push for answers, they try and get dumped on. The lib-tard media has been groomed to follow the leader and bend over…LOL… I saw the same suck-hole and thought the same thing. “O” took the time to say what connection they have. I guess that’s an important issue to discuss with all the real problems. We know that the left media supports our country being rolled over by the Obama Machine crushing our country similiar to the Nazi Machine that crushed Europe. One day they’ll be sorry and that’s when it’s too late. “O” and the lib-tard press are a disgrace to this country. The so called news conference was a joke and his attitude is I don’t have to tell you anything I don’t want to which is very immature. The statement about don’t go after Rice go after me was great, did we see him get the meeting set up immediately to have that discussion? NO. He was the same guy that showed up at the debates and his attitude was this is a waste of time due to I’ve got it in the bag already. His viscous anger reminds me of an angry, self righteous lying Muslim.

  • blessedbyhim

    I feel sick…. truly

  • VLF

    OMGosh I will NEVER visit Az. ever this is crazy.  THIS IS AMERICA act like you have grit your a sad sad bunch of idiots if u that live there and turn your head to this.

  • wantingtoknow

    OK NOW (National Organization of Women) Where are your outcries on this case?  Why aren’t you screaming at the top of your voices to protect young muslim girls?  Why aren’t ou demanding the ouster of this stupid Judge?

  • No longer cares

    Simple.  I do not believe that anyone who is not a (fill in the religion of choice) should talk to anyone from (fill in your religion of choice) so I can repeat this domestic activity all I want.  No longer religious persectution, hate crime, assault.  We’ll just describe it as overzealous application of my personal religous beliefs.
    To ANYONE.  Hmm, what about people I knwo living in Washington D.C.?

  • TrueAmerican

    I say if it’s good for the child it’s good for the parents… it’s time for good citizens to begin defending themselves and their neighbors against the tyranny and hatred that is now Islam.  This is not peace, this is a murder in the making and our government clearly supports it… not a word from Obama’s White House… i think we all know why. 
     
    If these parents can justify under their religion and laws (which are not ours or applicable here) to beat ahd torture, simply because of religious beliefs, or dissatisfaction and anger, then all of us should be able to live by that.  I would love to meet up with that evil man and show him how much I disagree with him, but I agree he should get an equivalent treatment that he dishes out.
     
    What astonishes me is the absolute illness of people..We all need to be careful now, Muslim law is insanity. This is insane, it’s cruel, it’s evil, it’s sick, and if I ever see someone do that they will die shortly thereafter.  I will deal with the consequences to save that poor innocent girl from that insane and backwards religion that says there is “honor’ in such things.
     
    OK. then like I said.  Go get em’ boys, there is honor in taking out this pile of trash to the garbage where he belongs.  When innocent people are punished like this, what do you think they will do to someone that is NOT family.
     
    That is why Christianity is supreme in the view of most true Americans.  Unfortunately we are not allowed to have pride in our religion, only Muslims can act all superior, what with their holy this and that for everything. It’s a pathetic and dangerous religion and I reject anyone that attempts to push Islam on me.
     
    Christianity is.based on love and the law of the heart, upon personal choices and freedoms, not imposed.  The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of Christians, not “Ala”, a fabricate god made by man for man and is contrived of physical domination and oppresson… the kind that God freed Israel from.
     
    Is it any wonder that Christians are targets, yet so foolish that they trust everyone.  On the contrary, just look a Muslim in the eyes at the store, go ahead.  They will never trust you.
     
    Any religion or club, organization that allows such things should be banned from America, nothing less, and no political issues whatsoever.  This is about human decency and life.  If liberals insist on ushering in Islam, be prepared for what happens.  If we think we can allow this to continue, and we will be forced to, you’ll see that what you get is brutal, very very brutal and it will be directed at you, not the daughters that don’t comply, but infidels that don’t.
     
    The Christian God is courteous, He lets us decide.  Islam is forced at the point of a gun, a sword, or in this case, a superheated spoon and torture.  Good religion idiots.. you guys suck and we should all be announcing it.  I reject that religion outright and look forward to the battle with Muslims and Obama as their leader in this country soon.  Also, it’s not that I want it, it’s going to happen because that is their plan and nothing you do will stop it.
     
    There are too many inflitrators now.  No safety here in this country.  Many people know they are targets and will be leaving American immediately.  You may be one of them.. probably not.  At some point, the borders will be closed to those trying to flee, due to economic and national security reasons.  If you’re allowed to leave you will give up the bulk, if not all of your wealth to the U.S to pay off the debt owed to other countries that will not accept our worthless currency (also thank to Obama, it is worth even less, and with another QE coming… OMG.. is there anyone with a clue in the White house, or are they still in party mode?
     
    Why, because we need to take the battle back to them, as they have brought it to our doorstep, come inside, imposed their will on us, then spit on us and dance as our buildings and people are destroyed.  We are as blind as can be in this country to what is happening every day to erode our future and set us up.
     
    What kind of firewall does America have against such a hostile internal takeover?  Conservatives.  That’s it.  Nothing from the government but PC crap and the idea that religion doesn’t matter, only Islam is useful to democrats for money and vote support.  Again, our enemies are being given votes, money positions of power.  How stupid and blind can we be.  Apparently half of American is wearing blinders.  Soon, they will come off, and they will see the executioner and it won’t be the scary Conservatives, but their so-called friends, the Muslims that put them in power and will also take it away some day.
     
    The problem with Islam and specifically Sharia law, is that it’s NOT COMPATIBLE with our Constitution and State laws,it’s against everything this country stands for and fights for, and is set forth in our Constitution for that reason and vice versa. We are a reflection of our Constitution, they want to change that and thus change and control us by taking our basic rights away or ignoring them outright.
     
    IT’S TIME FOR A NEW LAW ABOUT MUSLIM’S AND OTHER DAAND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN OUR COUNTRY.  PERIOD.  If they continue to do this American will indeed begin to fight back and defend themselves from the government itself, since this is our government’s problem for allowing it and not enforcing our Constitutional laws, but rather, allowing every enemy of our State to have every legal, monetary, political advantage, in addition to much under deference as if they deserve any whatsoever.
     
    I’m not prejudging, I’m judging.  Muslims are not and will never be our friends.  They do intend to be our rulers
    and slay every one of us that do not comply.  Whether they achieve that or not is dependent upon what we as American do in the next month and year.  That will set the stage for our either standing up, or as the cowards most of our bought-and-paid-for “leaders” (that don’t lead) do, to bend over and take it… thus volunteering all of us to suffer the consequences of their cowardice and lack of commitment to this country.
     
    This government cannot now survive in it’s present state.  We had a chance to come off life support, but now the insane fairy tale.. fantasy Administration has all it needs to insure that American will fall into the hands of the awaiting, and increasingly more power Muslim organizations. 
     
    Now that Obama has taken away the “terrorist” label, given them billions of dollars, offered them statehood, spit in the face of Israel, empowered the pseudo dictator in Iraq (Maliki) who is moving billions in weaponry to Syria for our enemies while Obama turns a blind eye, and a seat at the table with America as if they are somehow equal, or worthy… it’s obvious the fix is in and the stage set.

  • LBMillar

    America needs to wake up to whats going on.  Its a damn shame our news media doesn’t report this type of thing; they are as bad as our politicans and judges.  Thank goodness for the internet.   Our civil servant, the president, that we pay a salary with our taxes, doesn’t do a damn thing about it either.  The people are going to have to start taking things into their own hands as we can’t rely on those elected.  One thing good about blacks, something happens they don’t like, they riot and rise up in protest and are heard.  I guess the rest of us better start doing the same thing.
     
    The muslim men are mice and need to get out of the stoneage.  They are ignorant sheep with their sharia law and the women are just as bad for tolerating it.  And the nerve of them to bring it to the US and even more stupid is the judges and politicians tolerating.  As they say, politicians and religion are the root of all evil.  To that, add power and stupid, insecure, incompetent, macho and midevil muslim men who have are not smart enough to contribute anything to this world except their voilence and stupid religion.  We need to give guns to the muslim women to even the score.

    • dhmill

      @LBMillar
       Problem is that the women believe that bull sh*t too.

      • NavyJR

        @dhmill  Have you ever been a child in an abusive situation?  If not, you’ll never understand how that could be.  But when you’re raised in abuse, to you, THAT’S just “normal”, the way it is.  And all children naturally believe their parents wouldn’t lie to them or tell them false information., so if all you heard all your life was that this was the right way to live, THAT is what you would believe, and if you were functionally illiterate and not exposed much to other ideas, how would you learn anything different?

    • Ursula

      @LBMillar Give guns to the Muslim women? Didn’t you read the article…. the mother and sister assaulted the girl, too…. give them guns and they’ll shoot their daughters and sisters!
       
      There have been cases in the USA and Canada, where the MOTHER held the daughter down for the father to stab her to death….. where the mother would trick the daughter to go into the trap for the father to kill the daughter. The women are so brainwashed, that they’ll willingly participate in killing their own daughters.
       
      Those people don’t know how to love their daughters. The Muslim religion (actually, it is more than a religion, it is a whole way of life) teaches that women are worth less than dogs…… and that is the way they’re treated.

  • JuneGagnon

    Judge Kreamer needs to be defrocked, kicked off the bench and straight OUT of the USA!

    • grams

      @JuneGagnon He should be tried as an accomplice for allowing this and returning that child to a possible death sentence.

  • http://www.numbersusa.com/ nax777

    Both Parties have not only sat idle about illegal colonization of States they legalized colonization of the United States through decades long “comprehensive immigration reform policies.”
    “Comprehensive” is missing in the reality of the numbers of nationalities. The mass numbers of legal and illegal colonizers are un-sustainable! President Clinton has even said so, in some other nation. Current immigration (colonization) policies has the US population rate set to increase in one tenth of the time of the previous one hundred years.
    Relaxed immigration qualifications have led to thousands of US citizens of all stripes and visitors of all stripes to be murdered. 9/11 hijacker’s entered legally for example. Virtually unlimited numbers have led to colonization aka “a wave of secularism”!
    Nebraska now has two Republican Senators and like Governor Dave Heineman they support continuing the illegal and legal colonization of States and relaxed immigration security policies. Maybe the Senators agree with Governor Dave Heineman in that “it’s not that bad here”. When it does get that bad here it will be too late and they can fix it with more DHS check points.
    Removing underwear from suitcases and patting down children takes less manpower and money to secure our safety. I own the Brooklyn Bridge want to buy it? An unlimited number of unchecked immigrants will not affect these security measures though it is admittedly the reason for them.
    The great melting pot turned into the great boiling pot. Don’t look back or you might notice that some people’s idea of hope and change includes eliminating your hope for change. Too many voters realize not just how much power they have over “the man behind scene.” When enough people walk away from the Parties they will do more than just call you wasteful voters they will retaliate.

  • http://iiiunlimited.webs.com/ daveme

    i am sure you have noticed that within in less than a week all 50 states have put in a request from washington to secede from the union.  what we have reaped we will sow.  and since obama has done nothing more than bring division to israel over the past four years, it is now happening to us. and he seems to be allowing these muslims to bring in their screwy ungodly laws, and letting them get away with whatever they want to do.  this is not right.

    • FullMetalGranni

      @daveme   We are absolutely reaping the birth pangs of full blown ungodliness in America.
      We had a chance to vote ob out, but now,  we have a clearer perspective as to what is living in the United States and what mind set is voting. 
      ! Chronicles 7:14 would have applied here, but where are the people that are called by His name?
      AHHHHH…….good question……..many of them voted for ob and their own purses.  Approx. 6,000,000 evangelicals voted with no faith in God.  Well, they have set up their idol but they have ignorantly forgotten the bible teaches Judgement begins in the church.  And the remnant?………we will pray and hold fast to Jesus Christ’s Word and Promises…….such as:  Though  ten thousand around me fall I shall stand.  &  “We will trust in the Lord with all our hearts and will not lean to our own understanding.  We will acknowledge Him in all our ways and He will bring it to pass.” Prov 3:5,6

      • grams

        @FullMetalGranni  @daveme Every state has it’s own republic.  Join and see what you can do to help.  Go to your google and type “republic of Arizona” or where ever you live and see what you can do to join.  Those who oppose this form of government (if they have the guts), can stand up and be a republic.  It is a matter of choice.

    • synthetic2

      @daveme obama is a muslim, remember?  He even said when the chips are down he’d stand with the muslims.

      • grams

        @synthetic2  @daveme That is exactly what he said. But the gimmee crowd doesn’t care as long as they get their free cell phones.  Our schools don’t teach Government classes anymore so our kids don’t have a clue about anything.  I am thankful I don’t have any children going to these public so called schools that are paid for by tax dollars. People have sat back too long and let sh-t slide, so now, to correct it will probably take a civil war.

  • freedomringsforall

    What a farcical double standard we live here in the USA.
    These commie, fascist, nazis are a joke.
    This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being run by commie fascist morons.
    Let’s please get these commie fascists out of power in the USA!
    Let’s please return this nation to the bright shining beacon of freedom on the hill for the rest of the world to aspire to.

  • Think About It

    “What say you, Mr Holder?” :  “Right on.  We be getten there.”

  • tedsbcfe

    Our government and the scumbags running it all SUCK! They should all be tarred, feathered and hung right out in the mall for all to see. They’re nothing but a bunch of maniacle, self serving, sexually dysfunctional perverted control freaks with a lust for power and money. OUR MONEY!
     Fema came knocking yesterday. A young snot without ID, trained by the filth described above, asked me if I had any damage from Hurricane Sandy. I sad no but thanks for stopping by and I began to close my door. Then he said wait “I have some more questions for you”. I said  “that’s too bad, I’m sorry to hear that” after which I closed to door in his face….

  • Tired

    Vote to get him out of office, sign petitions. Let it be known what he has done and ask why.

  • tedsbcfe

    Justice needs to be applied right on the spot like in the old days. If you got caught red handed and you were undeniably and positively guilty you got justice handed to you immediately by the next day, if the mob didn’t hang you that night. Instead we spent millions of this scum ridden family for no good reason.
     This filthy would be father should be chained to the back of a pick up truck and dragged for five miles accross Arizona’s southern boarder. That’ll serve two puposes. Rid us of one more degenerate scumbag and give the ones on the other side of the boarder something to think about….

  • tedsbcfe

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The judge should be placed at the wheel of the pick up truck to do the driving. Who knows, maybe he’ll catch a stray bullit if we’re lucky….

  • Tired

    You are my kind of man. Hell yes.

  • Tired

    While we are at it , let ‘s restart the chain-gangs, instead of giving prisoners, free, bed,food, computers, gyms, and education. let’s get some work out of them, to help pay to have all this stuff they receive.

    • Tony Ruiz

      @Tired    Hey, you sound like our illustrious Sheriff Joe…and I’m not kidding; there should be a million of him all around the country…but instead, Los Angeles for example gets a muslim lover; one of the many reasons we just moved to AZ. Jan Brewer is another. Good luck to you New Jersey guys with fat obama lover turncoat Christie. I’m so sorry for you; what an idiot after all. Nothing at all behind that loud mouth.

  • salleeann

    These (people?) must be dealt with as you would a rabid dog.  They are absolute ly worthless in our society.  Pile them up and nuke them all.

  • FullMetalGranni

    An Underground _______  is necessary to help these tortured children.

    • grams

      @FullMetalGranni They need a safe house.  They have them for abused women and families, but evidently nothing available for this girl.  She should NOT have been released to that family! Now they will probably kill her and it will be the fault of the so called justice that released her parents….he should be tried for an accessory to murder if that happens.

      • Jim Bragg

        @grams  @FullMetalGranni
         That is exactly where they should have sent her if that was her desire. The ‘parents’ should have been arrested for kidnapping and attempted murder and this young lady should have been granted safety against her parents. How in the hell can a Judge order an adult to be returned to the custody of her attackers? Didn’t we get rid of servitude?

        • grams

          @Jim Bragg  @FullMetalGranni You would think so, even if she were a minor child she SHOULD  have been placed in protective custody! SHAME ON that hospital and those Drs and that judge should be tried as an accessory. Where is Sheriff Joe?  That is total garbage!

  • synthetic2

    And to think you can’t spank a child for bad behavior to get him/her on the right track.  If you do spank your going to loose your kids and go to jail.  Schools teach kids they have all the rights and now you are finding parents going to jail because some kid got a restriction and the kid lied to the authorities to get even.  Does this now mean parents can now spank?  Hmmmmmmm!

    • grams

      @synthetic2 Perhaps because “spare the rod, spoil the child”  Maybe that is a new religion.

  • gypsy314

    I say eye for a eye . Americans had a chance to put Obama and democrats out but when it comes down to a few swing states deciding our leaders well hell is what we have until the electoral college scam system is removed and then the peoples vote can count. I’m willing to go out on the limb and say more of Americans will vote since they know there vote will count and not the few union swing states decide our leaders. Until then we must grow first chaos will happen then civil war will decide the future of America. The only way America can clean the scum from America is civil war. We can remove the Europeans and muslim ways then and put on notice the gays to get help or leave.

    • El_locoJp

      @gypsy314 Get a clue!  The electoral college is the only defense we have, right now, against the tyranny of a few inner cities that would perpetually determine our president.  What we need is to disenfranchise all those deadbeat non-taxpayers who vote out of self interest and greed.  An obamaphone is more important to them than liberty.  I say, “No representation without taxation.”

    • real native american

      @gypsy314
       yes as native american i could not agree more will you be the first european to leave my country?

    • GramE

      @gypsy314 Until we get voter id in all states – we wil continue down the hill.  No state that has voter id went for Obama.  The machines were programmed to count votes in Obama’s favor.  There are thousands of programmers in this country that could do it effectively – either software or hardware.  How else could an Ohio area with 98,000 registered voters have 106,000 votes?

      • Evermyrtle

        @GramE  @gypsy314 Our government is so screwed up that their behinds are  staring into their faces.

        • GramE

          @Evermyrtle  @gypsy314 Agree Myrtle.  You, along with a handful of other responders, always have good comments – one that I can say “Yeah”!  I can just see you shaking your head with sorrow – anger – despair – etc..

  • El_locoJp

    AZ allows torture and attempted murder on teh basis of religion.  But let any parent attempt to lessen the influence of gov’t on their childen (say through home schooling) and the parents will be lucky to get off with the death penalty!

  • grams

    Simple solution…if they are going to live in OUR country, they must follow our laws.  The muslim community should follow our laws and especially pertaining to children. The REAL problem here is being a muslim is a culture NOT a religion and should be treated as such.  Are we going to honor laws from Japan, China, Mexico, Brazil etc to sway our courts?  This judge should be thrown from the bench and impeached.  Kidnapping is a federal offense, attempted murder is attempted murder,  The law has dropped the ball and if something happens to this poor girl it is the total fault and responsibility of that judge. He should be too ashamed to show his face in public. I keep telling people, if you don’t like the way the muslim culture acts, show them love and love for our country and deliver pork chops, ham, pork roasts and the heart and blood of a pig to their mosques.  They could use it to help feed their poor. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY!

  • grams

    One more thing, someone needs to go in and rescue that girl.  Take her (if she is willing), out of that home to a safe haven.  Go to that court and tell that judge to treat domestic violence and attempted murder according to OUR laws! As of right now…this is STILL the United States of America and attempted murder for any reason is NOT ACCEPTABLE!

  • Diane

    This girl is 19 – and 18 is the age of consent in this country. She needs to get herself out of that house and get a life. This isn’t child abuse – it’s assault and attempted murder. By everyone in that house.  Apparently, this will be the new normal – under the muslim socialist dictatorship that we’re headed for. Someone voted this judge in – and alas, we all get what the majority has voted for.

  • synthetic2

    Proverbs 13.24 says the following— “those who spare the rod hate their children, but those who love them are diligent to discipline them.”  The rod is measure of discipline doled out accordingly.  This can mean a good talking to or restriction.  I don’t know why people get the wrong idea from this.  Discipline is very necessary in a child’s life.  They need to learn there are consequences for all actions be it good or bad.

    • jagr

      @synthetic2 Really? How do you consider this treatment in accordance with the verse you quoted?  Yes discipline is necessary and good, but this is not discipline, it is abuse.

      • synthetic2

        @jagr This is how the extremists raise their kids.  They are not christian by any sense of the word.  Their koran teaches they can lie, cheat, and steal as long it is for the good of their allah.  They say they believe in God and Jesus but their koran teaches blasphemy against God and His teachings.  The Bible is a manual for a happy life.  You buy a new electronic toy or car, whatever, and you get a manual.  People don’t want to look at the manual since people think they know everything about everything, hence, they’re unhappy and miserable.

        • Evermyrtle

          @synthetic2  @jagr Their God is a God of hate and their Jesus Christ is a copy cat of our JESUS CHRIST and completely fake.

        • jagr

          @Evermyrtle  @synthetic2  @jagr 
          I understand that.  I do not expect Muslims to believe or obey the Holy Bible.  My concern was that synthetic2 was using Prov 13:24 for a justification of the treatment of this girl.  I agree that this is a sad turn of events that under the UN CRC, purporting to support children’s rights, spanking is strictly forbidden, but here we have a clear case of abuse and cruel and unusual punishment and it is allowed.

        • synthetic2

          @jagr  @Evermyrtle I did no such thing as using scripture to justify her abuse.  I simply stated that discipline of a child is done in love and to help nurture the spirit of the child in a good way.  The “rod” is a measuring stick.  I believe punishment should fit the crime.  Never murder or abuse is in any way condoned by the Bible!  Second of all she was an adult and in the USA should have been respected as such.  Sharia doesn’t see it this way.  Shame on the judge!!!!!  Hope his kids don’t get married into sharia.  If it was his grand child do you think he would stand for it?  NO!  Unless he’s muslim!

        • synthetic2

          @Evermyrtle  @jagr The God of Creation is not a God of hate but of love.  Satin is the god of hate!!!!

        • jagr

          @synthetic2  @Evermyrtle Agreed!

    • RedRoan

      @synthetic2
       Your right, CHILDREN need to be disciplined. This person who was beaten was an adult. I think her solution would be to get out of that house. While there she is obligated to follow the rules. BUT she is not obligated to be beaten into submission, into marrying someone not of her choice or for talking to someone of the opposite sex. Of course what she really  needs is salvation. And what WE need to do is pray for her and her family.

    • Texasgals

      @synthetic2
      So forcing a young woman to marry , beating her, cutting her is just a “loving” form of discipline? What rock did you craw out from and in what year 1212? geesss you quote fron the Christian Bible but apply the quote to Isalam teachings what an useful idiot you are!

      • synthetic2

        @Texasgals  @synthetic2 Texasgals read what I wrote above! jagr  Evermyrtle I did no such thing as using scripture to justify her abuse.  I simply stated that discipline of a child is done in love and to help nurture the spirit of the child in a good way.  The “rod” is a measuring stick.  I believe punishment should fit the crime.  Never murder or abuse is in any way condoned by the Bible!  Second of all she was an adult and in the USA should have been respected as such.  Sharia doesn’t see it this way.  Shame on the judge!!!!!  Hope his kids don’t get married into sharia.  If it was his grand child do you think he would stand for it?  NO!  Unless he’s muslim!                                                                                                                                                                                                             I can’t figure out why 2 people didn’t get it.  I wonder why?!

      • synthetic2

        @Texasgals  @synthetic2 I would like to add to this comment you made.  Discipline does NOT mean beat.  Discipline is showing the right path to go especially by example.  Parents seem to forget this.  It is an important building block for children.  Remember, Jesus said, “suffer unto me the children”.  Jesus taught by example and admonished by word.  I don’t remember Jesus flogging anyone.  Again, discipline is NOT a beating!!!!!!!!!  Spanking on the butt in extreme bad behavior or when danger doesn’t sink in.  Example:  Years ago my girlfriend had a young boy aged 5.  He was playing on the second story balcony and my other girlfriend with me told her she should not let her son play on the railings.  Our friend said she didn’t believe in telling him “no”.  Next day he fell to his death.  The ground floor was concrete and the boys head smashed open.  The mother went insane needlessly.  Had she disciplined him with an understanding of the danger this would not have happened.

  • Strength

    Last I heard 19 year olds were considered adults, not children, not that what happened is acceptable. We do have an adult protective program. Our country needs to get it together, we are falling apart. These days it seems that people in high places are non educated about morals and the American laws.  They dont want to offend anybody in FEAR of retaliation.  BULLIES rule this planet.  Something has got to change!  People are angry, hurtful, resentful,rude, blame others for their downfalls, no responsibility. ME ME ME! The media needs to start showing all of the good things that happen in life, not all of the negative.  I think the gaming industry needs to create more positive games, not those nasty violent games who promote nothing but negative outcomes.  The more negative games, movies, news, etc, the more acceptable violence becomes.  We are desensitized so violence means nothing these days.  Its sad to see all the changes in this world happening before our eyes and we have our hands tied to make the changes needed to become a better America we used to be. I believe there is more good out there, its just hidden in fear.

    • Evermyrtle

      You are right, but that was while we were still America

  • Barf2libs

    Belief in islam is a mental disorder.  The father should be basted with pork fat and then deep fried for believing in this stupidity and that fraud pedofile, mohammet.

  • synthetic2

    These extremists chose to live in this country as well as others for the reason of taking over the world for allah and that everyone become muslim.   To be a christian in a muslim country will bring prison and or death.  Once converted to muslim you can never, ever leave or this will bring you death.  These people are taught this crap from day one and this is how they believe.  The problem comes when they were few in number the officials looked the other way when they went against “civilized law”.  Now that they have bred in numbers they now look at the weak laws to set their agenda in motion.  Here in this country they use our constitution and the lawyers twist the laws to suit their needs and whims.  These muslims have come to this country ( and others) to get educated on laws of the land for that country and use those laws against us.  Our fault came when christians sat on their asses and let them take control of our courts.  So who is to blame here?

  • Jim Bragg

    That is exactly where they should have sent her if that was her desire. The ‘parents’ should have been arrested for kidnapping and attempted murder and this young lady should have been granted safety against her parents. How in the hell can a Judge order an adult to be returned to the custody of her attackers? Didn’t we get rid of servitude?

    • Evermyrtle

      @Jim Bragg You must consider the fact that 50% of our population, at least is liberal and 90% of the Federal Judges are bought by the liberals.That means they are anti-GOD, anti JESUS CHRIST an anti-American. What was their chance of getting fair treatment.  I hope that girl will be successful in getting out of that home and running away. Most any true American would help her. Of course there are  manywho would be afraid to even speak to her. Cowards are that way, willing to accept help but refusing to give help.

  • http://www.subgenius.com/ Rev Egg Plant

    I have to point out here that the woman in question is not a minor. At age 19 she’s fully and legally capable of making her own decisions in this manner and if she decides to go back with her family, that is a decision that should be respected. However, I do wonder how serious the “1-1/2 inch wound” on the neck was — is that measurement width or depth? A superficial soft tissue laceration isn’t that worrisome. A 1-1/2 inch deep penetrating injury to neck structures, depending on location, certainly is concerning. However, we just don’t have details and I think that might be what stops this from being a case where more stern punishment than probation is warranted. Again, the victim is free to leave and seek her own way at any time — she’s an adult. Stop acting as if she isn’t.

    • Jim Bragg

      She is also an abused person who while an adult, is still under the influence of her parents. It should be made very clear to her that she DOES have options and one of those is complete protection from her parents and a new life elsewhere.
      As for the 1 1/2″ wound, it certainly could be very dangerous if it on your neck and near the jugular vein.

    • grumpyoldconservative

      Ok Rev, Let’s look at this from a different prospective to see if you can understand it better with a different cast of characters. Let’s say that we have a strict/racist white family; let’s just make them Christian, so that liberals can hate them from the start. They have a 19 year old daughter. She starts seeing a young man of mixed race; let’s name him Jemahl. They, her parents and sister, want her to marry Johnny, a Marine, from down the street. Because she refuses to marry Johnny and instead wants to continue her relationship with Jemahl, they beat her, tie her to a bed, burn her with a hot spoon and cut her with a sharp object; not deep, but just to let her know who’s in charge. Now, do you think that these people would get off with just probation and that the main stream media would ignore the story or do you think that there would be mass news coverage, Jesse and Al screaming racism, calls for maximum Hate Crimes sentencing and inevitably 10 to 30 year sentences to each of these “Haters”? Just think about what you’re saying. We have obvious felonies in aggravated assault, false imprisonment and torture areas. The object used to stab in the neck dictates 1st degree attempted homicide. The fact that  she was forbidden to talk to other boys at school is definitely a racist thing; not a muslim, no way. Then insert a homosexual daughter and friend into the picture as an example. Get it a little better now?

  • LMC

    Ok so I remember several years ago when there was a case in someplace in the north like Michigan of a mom slapping(open handed) her 16 or 17 year old daughter for calling her the B-word and it was like a huge deal that it was “child abuse”, ripped the family apart- the mom was villanized- and these people get a quiet slap on the wrist????

    • GrizzMann

      Democrat war on women?

  • Biggiewmn

    If I spanked my child in public, I could run the risk of not only jail time, but having my child taken from me. Where is the justice in this case? Sharia law is cruel and stuck in the past. Also, this girl is 19, not a juvenile.. Her family does not have the legal right to make her do anything. If she recanted her story it was probably because she was scared they would try to kill her the next time. An “honor killing” under Sharia law and perfectly acceptable. The people of Arizona need to get this so called judge out of office. And this young girl needs to be put under some kind
    of protective custody. If her family manages to kill her, will this judge give them another slap on the wrist?

  • synthetic2

    The judge is a hypocrite!  Is he muslim too?  What is the judges background?  He is in every way responsible for being a bad judge, period.  This sets a president that is extremely dangerous to every American!!!!!!

  • shagstar

    being from Arizona,,this crap really embarrass’s me!  i left there because of the influx of libtard’s that swarmed in like locusts!

    • Tony Ruiz

      @shagstar   We escaped those locusts in CA to come here  a couple’ months ago and love it; you should come back and pitch in instead of just throwing in the towel. There’s lots to preserve and some to overcome but we’ve got the numbers; few other places to, and none of them where I’d want to live…

      • shagstar

        @Tony Ruiz nice metaphor there tony!  question back at ya,,how come you threw in the towel and left kalifornia?  shouldn’t you be back there helping to preserve it?

  • Tony Ruiz

    My work is done here; I can’t take or respond to the hundreds upon hundreds of messages per hour. Just know that God loves you all and wants you in His Kingdom if you’re not here, where I am.  Former 40 year catholic until I got saved along with most of the rest of my family, and He wants you too. I will pray you all see the light now or soon, in time to help save our now lost nation. Understand this: all muslims are bad, evil. They don’t have to be a extremist to be a bad muslim, being a muslim is bad enough and they are infiltrating our country at breakneck speed because they have discovered our weaknesses and are quite possibly the weakest. Just look at us…we elected an evil, unqualified, illegal president who is muslim. I’m disgusted with our country and want to throw a rock at my TV when I see ‘it’ standing in front of the muslim gold drape with OUR flag there to appease. It’s gonna get worse, unbelievably bad, and I strongly recommend leaving if you can. It’s already bad and I think we’ve already lost God’s grace as a country. We pushed God out and threw it away. We foster evil, and about the only thing worse today than being an American is being muslim. And you can take that to the bank. Goodbye.

    • Uncle Johnson

      @Tony Ruiz
       Thanks Tony. Keep it up.

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  • Guest

    Maybe the women are smart to walk behind their men on case of a roadside bomb.

  • jhngoodell

    We do not need this type of Sharia law in this country.

  • synthetic2

    The age of 19 makes her an adult.  The DPS or any other child protective service cannot get involved, period.  She chose to go back on her own.  My question is this, was she given options for help,  a place to hide for battered women?  Who knows.  This article is incomplete for investigative reporting.

  • Judy Lutgring

    To the author of this article:  why didn’t you actually investigate and answer some of the questions you have posed? The Arizona Republic newspaper published an article in October about the plea bargain and a little about the family.  Apparently the victim is traumatized by the separation from her family.  They are here seeking asylum – one can only imagine what they went through in Iraq.  The victim was sobbing “I want my mom” during the hearing, and is living in an apartment away from them in a country very different from what she grew up with.  Her immigraiton status may even prevent her from being employed or from getting any kind of benefits — how is she going to survive?  Our system of criminal justice presumes the innocence of people accused of crimes.  It takes a unanimous jury to convict.  Think of the risk of a jury trial — the victim refuses to testify, or changes her story, for whatever reason.  All 3 of the accused walk free — no probation, no punishment, no protection for the victim at all (not even from herself).  That is one of the reasons we utilize plea agreements.  At least the defendants are now convicted.  The wrongdoers here are prohibited from having contact with the victim unless the probation officer permits it; they are subject to arrest and imprisonment if they violate any of the conditions of probation, which require, in this case, restitution and counseling, commit no other crimes, etc.  Additionally, they may get deported as a result of these convictions.  Judges sometimes accept plea bargains because they know that it is the only way to protect the victim and to punish the perpetrators.  The conclusions you have jumped to in this article are irresponsible and inflammatory.  How are you going to undo the damage?

    • shagstar

      @Judy Lutgring 
      the only damage done was to that 19yr old who had her throat cut and then,,beat down like a dog by her own loving family!!  gimme a friggin break judy!

      • Judy Lutgring

        @shagstar Your outrage over what the family did to her is totally justified.  I feel it too.  But the author slammed the judges reputation as if the judge had the option of sending these people to prison; he didn’t.  (And no, I don’t know the judge.)  Nobody wants their professional reputation attacked wrongly.  He also slammed the judge for being preferential or sensitive to Sharia law — no reason for the author to say that.  It had nothing to do with it.  Ever had your reputation smeared in an article that is read all over the country without a way to defend yourself?  And there is enough ignorance about the justice system — why perpetrate it?

        • shagstar

          @Judy Lutgring
           because i have seen good people get extended jail time for simple,verbal assult! these animals almost killed this young lady and get a slap on the wrist all because of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS gone amuck!

        • grams

          @shagstar  @Judy Lutgring This is not acceptable by any means and it is not justice. I don’t care why they came to this country,..IF they are going to live here, they need to abide by our laws. PERIOD. Any time you go to another country you are required to abide by that countries laws no exception. Remember the kids that got caught painting or “keying” a car when they were in Japan? The received a certain number of swats with a bamboo stick (good enough for them as far as I’m concerned).  The parents were horrified and tried to get it over turned but it didn’t work. The muslim so called religion is not a religion it’s a culture and way of life.  Murdering or torturing your children are NOT acceptable in this country and NO judge should EVER allow this.  That judge should be thrown off the bench and disbarred from the legal profession if they are going to accept laws from anywhere other than the United States.  The mexican people that come here are required by law NOT to sell cocain or other drugs, but these muslims are an exception….NO…THEY ARE NOT! They are a guest in this country and they MUST live according to our laws.

        • KentPerry

          @Judy Lutgring  @shagstar I used to talk like you Judy,, Then the OJ Simpson trial happened and it changed my views of our judicial system in so profound a way, I can no longer be part of any jury trial I am too jaded to cynical about the entire legal system.  I see TOO many sadistic cops, too many corrupt politicians and too many judges on the take.   I would say, that MOST of our Government has been so filthy with corruption, so oblivious to the truth and so far away from our Constitution, I don’t have much hope for it

      • synthetic2

        @shagstar  @Judy Lutgring Not only damage was done to the girl but to the American people who were insulted and christians slapped in the face.

    • Uncle Johnson

      @Judy Lutgring
       What type of conclusion would we be jumping to if your so-called “asylum seeking” family had actually slit her throat and she was killed? There are several honor killing cases in the U.S. right now. Canada is also struggling with these issues. As far as deportation, according to President Obama, Iraq is no longer a dangerous place for Iraqi’ people so returning shouldn’t be much of a problem. Right?
       
      No other citizen would have been cut the deal this family was cut. None. So we want different justice because they didn’t understand? Won’t fly in America.
       
      I feel the judge and the prosecutors need to answer for this situation. Uneven distribution of Justice is irresponsible. Better that they go to trial and lose than setting convenient and potentially damaging precedent.
       
      This was a purely political decision. And a bad one a that. Let the Judge defend himself. After all if I was in his court I would have to defend myself (except I would only be allowed to speak when allowed.)

      • Judy Lutgring

        @Uncle Johnson Nobody said anything about them getting different justice because they didn’t understand.  It all boils down to how strong the physical evidence and witnesses are against the three defendants.  Had this young woman been killed, chances are that nobody would have been convicted, by jury trial or by plea bargain — no witnesses willing to testify.  If arrested, each could have blamed the other, with no way to prove who did it.  
             I think that many people would disagree that it would be better for society that these violent people go to trial and lose than to be under the scrutiny of the probation department, and under the power of the court with the possibility of future imprisonment for violating any condition of probation, when there were so many indications that a jury conviction would never happen.  And if you will investigate the matter, you will find many other cases where citizens and noncitizens, of every religious and cultural origin, are given plea bargains which are lenient in comparison to the violence of the crime, due to the fact that the physical evidence and witnesses simply do not add up to enough certainty of conviction.  
          It does not appear that the author of the article gave the judge a chance to defend himself before jumping to conclusions.  I think a lot of people in this discussion are so upset by the crime, and by the fact that the defendants are Muslim, that they are enjoying the wave of energy and self-righteousness that anger and intolerance for non-Christians seems to give.  That is too bad.  The true facts that were left out, which gives the story accurate context, would make it easier for everyone to look at this problem and try to make sure it doesn’t happen again.  The fact is, many victims of domestic violence have insufficient support systems.  Do you think this Muslim victim felt like she had anyone to turn to?  Do you think our government will give her a free place to stay and the support she needs in the absence of her family?  As Americans, privileged to be here, to have education, the right to speak freely, and to exercise our own religions, we should be dedicating ourselves to clear critical thinking and constructive solutions based on truth rather than half-truth.

        • Uncle Johnson

          @Judy Lutgring
           I have read the original story from the Arizona Newspaper. The victim in question is an epileptic with a learning disability. Her parents did infact acknowledge their acts against her. Yes they are Iraqi citizens. They were arested and given a plea bargain to a lesser charge.
           
          As an American I am offended by not only the plea bargain but the Judge’s decision to accept it. In most courts of law the victim must agree to the terms of the plea bargain. Was this young woman (a victim of a violent crime albeit commited by her family) of sound mind to protect herself? Clearly this young woman of questionable emotional ability needed the protection of the courts and didn’t get it. What happens next time?
           
          So you beleive that cultural differences should be taken into account in U.S. Courts? Good luck with that.
           
          Your obfuscation won’t save your argument. Many victims are better off in the long term (and I would argue so is our legal system) when crimes actually get prosecuted. Win or lose it would have brought attention to what surely will be a growing problem in America in the future.This Judge should have to answer publicly for what he allowed to take place in his courtroom. He was selected to hear this case. He is not a victim. Perhaps he would care to explain his judicial wisdom to the taxpayer and voter?
           
          Also why not lock dad up and give mom probation? Why did all three get probabtion? The sister plead to the heaviest charge not the guy with the knife. Lots of single immigrant moms in the U.S. doing real well right now.This was a bad politically motivated descision. Period.
           
          It’s not anger and intolence that is the problem. Tolerance is the problem.  I personally am upset with the hijacking of our laws. You want to stab your daughter and arrange maraiges there are plenty of other Islamic nations that will allow it. Find one. Why the U.S.. Why not Turkey? It was only a car ride away.
           
          By the way if she was old enough to be promised in marraige to a man twice her age perhaps she is old enough to participate in the direction her life will take.
           
          Critical thinking? Give me a break. In your critical thinking sphere of thought how many sleepness nights will this young woman have in her parents home until her virginity is ripped away by a man she will be forsed to marry against her will? Is that your idea of a constructive solution?

        • Uncle Johnson

          @Judy Lutgring
           Oh and what true facts were left out? Perhaps you would care to enlighten the less informed of your inside knowledge.

        • Judy Lutgring

          @Uncle Johnson The article said that the parents are not permitted to have contact with the victim unless the probation department permits it. Poor girl is in a situation where no solution is going to give her much peace, at least not for a long time, and not without a lot of support and therapy.  My idea of a constructive solution is to give better support to victims of domestic violence, and not to judge the judge without including facts like the consequences of a trial without a victim who is capable of and willling to testify against her parents.  I also believe it would be constructive to publicly discuss these issues in a tone that is more respectful of the Muslims who do not believe in Sharia law, the Muslim parents who are willing to raise children in a way that is more like ours rather than Iraq’s, in a way that will not immediately turn off those moderate Muslims by the willingness to pretend that they are all like the parents in this particular case.  And I don’t see tolerance in this situation for the culture of violence of Muslim parents against their daughters — I see a system that wants to help the victim, that acknowledges the possibility of emotional harm to her in testifying against her parents, that wants to hold the parents accountable in some way, rather than risk letting them off the hook completely.  To conclude that a person with epilepsy and a learning disability is incompetent to make decisions is an insult to people with epilepsy and learning disabilities.  In Arizona courts, the victim need not agree with the plea; the victim simply must be permitted to weigh in.  The crimes did get prosecuted:  they were resolved by plea, conviction, and sentence.  And perhaps the judge did explain the rationale for the decision, or would have, had the reporter checked the record, or asked for a statement.  But it is just as logical to conclude that it unfolded the way it did due to problems in prosecuting via jury trial as it is to conclude that the judge suddenly decided to adopt Sharia law — I daresay, more logical!

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          @Judy Lutgring  @Uncle Johnson
           Why do you claim that you don’t know the judge, but haven’t stopped defending his ridiculous ruling? You have become suspect, go away liberal!!!

      • KentPerry

        @Uncle Johnson  @Judy Lutgring Are you sure they were seeking asylum and not refugees ?

    • dondh

      @Judy Lutgring
       Answer me this, how many muslims living in America have stood up against any of those terrorist, like that muslim soldier who shot all those in that army base in Texas, the recent incident in Benghasi, that Pakistani Dr. who is in prison for information leading  the American Seals getting to and killing Ben Laden, yet her he is in prison and most likely will be executed, those Hamas terrorist who are raining missiles on Israel and several more things in the past.  The fact is they either are sympathetic to the muslim terrorists or are afraid to do anything about it.  Whether you know this or not, but it is their, the radical, terrorist muslim who are in the process of infiltrating every country on Earth by jihad in order to force Islam and Sharia Law on all persons of every nationality.  The only thing we can do is pray that these radicals will be stopped just like the Crusades did way back in the 500’s when Muhammed started a jihad across Europe, killing all who would not submit to Islam!  So you see, radical Muslims are following the instructions of their religion to make a conquest of the world!  I want to say that my wife and I lived in Turkey from 1969 to 1975 as a teacher and basketball coach for Turkish students and my wife was a part time secretary knowing that it was a muslim country.  The difference is that they modernized back in 1925 and has since remained civilized forming a Republic.  Modern Turkish women do not wear burques, nor cover their heads, but dress as you and I would.  They even allow Christian services in public, private buildings, but not allowed to build a building for Church services.  My wife and I have made several Turkish friends and have returned there one time and want to go back there.  By the way, if you want to see some wonderful ancient history, go visit Turkey!  I would not hesitate to live there permanetly except for the fact that they are too close to Iran, Syria and a few other more radical muslim countries!  What this administration, and others should have done is not allow these muslims into our country without learning our language, which most have, abide by our constitution, many DO NOT, and not be allowed to be a member of any political position!  But those who did harm to their daughter should be jailed or sent out of the country, back to where their roots are!

  • synthetic2

    As an adult I saw no where where she filed charges against her parents.  She made a choice under her muslim upbringing.  I am not sure how long she has been in this country but it seems to be she didn’t know a lot of options she had.  Again, was she told these options.  Being the judge was an a–hole was a horrific strike against here.  That judge gave sharia law an ok for those parents of an adult woman.  America, you had better sit up straight and take notice!  These are the most dangerous warning signs!  Google how many parents have done similar things under sharia in this country.  Did you see recently the girl that was shot in the head and sent to England for surgery and recovered.  This is sharia, America.  We must not tolerate it or look the other way.

  • synthetic2

    Sharia in Phoenix?  Big news about 1 1/2 yrs ago reported a young girl raped by several muslim boys.  The girl was muslim too.  The girl was kicked out of the household because sharia says it was the girls fault no matter what.  She was put in protective custody because she was 12.  Nothing happened to the boys not even a slap on the wrist.  Seems to me there is never any follow up of reported, published articles like these.  Why not?  Are they too liberal a new agency?  Yup!  They print what they are told and screened by the liberal press before it goes to print.  People get to passive about believing the new media when both sides should be heard or read.

  • cdarwincole

    dhmill, we need to be a bit more discriminating. One of my Muslim brother’s in law is a well respected pediatrician, the other a Supreme Court judge enforcing AMERICAN LAW, not Sharia law. Both are conservative Republicans.

  • John

    Double standard of spare the rod a spoil the child. If we as Americans have the need to just spank our child as a manor of corrective action we run the risk of being placed in prison. Now if your Muslim in the U.S. and attempting to kill your child you get probation and the child gets sent home with the perpetrators, is that correct?

    • Evermyrtle

      In America today such irrationality is what  we can expect, we have totally lost all reason in the last four years.I was  bad before but the bad has more than tripled in these years. Don’t be surprised for anything that happens

  • GeorgeCarney

    There is no place for this in American Society. If law enforcement officials are afraid of the Muslums going off and rioting and attacking and killing people for not agreeing with them, and that because of our Judeo-Christian objections which is the New Testiment of the Bible then we need to remove them for here……period!  The more uncomfortable they feel here in this country or any country for that matter the more they will go home!!!! Hopefully peacefully. They who preach this physoliphy are not welcome here. I have Daughters and I will defend their rights to till death takes me, and look out for anyone who dares threaten them, so help me GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                 AMERICA PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!

  • GeorgeCarney

    There is no place for this in American Society. If law enforcement officials are afraid of the Muslums going off and rioting and attacking and killing people for not agreeing with them, and that because of our Judeo-Christian objections which is the New Testiment of the Bible then we need to remove them for here……period!  The more uncomfortable they feel here in this country or any country for that matter the more they will go home!!!! Hopefully peacefully. They who preach this physoliphy are not welcome here. I have Daughters and I will defend their rights to till death takes me, and look out for anyone who dares threaten them, so help me GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                 AMERICA PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!

    • Daniel from TN

      The president or prime minister of Australia, whichever they have, made a simple response to Muslims wanting to abide by Shariah law instead of the law of the land.
      “Australia is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles. However, we have no objections to  other religions worshiping as they see fit. There is already a set of laws that govern this country and exceptions that are contrary to those laws will not be allowed,  even for religious groups. If you cannot accept these conditions for living in Australia then there is one more right you may exercise: You have the right to leave.” It is time those words were spoken to some Muslims in the USA.

      • ladypatriot

        RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
        Let us push our Congress for the same statement.  It will not be difficult to find out who in our Congress are “for” or “against” the true American values as set forth by our Founding Fathers and the Constitution.  Test them!  Find out!  Push them and push for it!!!!

  • Changa 77

    If you think that is all just wait for the next 4b years to be gone. Our own mothers and fathers my be doing the same thing to their daughters.Look who is in the Whitehouse.

  • kutepi4791

    The family should be kicked out of this country, every single family that does this to their children should not be allowed to stay here. They don’t belong to this country if they do not abide by American rules. Go back to your own country. And the judge that did this and let them go, he needs to step down, he did not do his duty as a judge. You are a disgrace to have allowed this, shame on you.

  • cdarwincole

    Uncle Johnson, no, I am right and you are wrong. There, that’s all settled now. ;-) If you knew my in-laws personally, you would understand and not make such sweeping, bigoted statements about Muslims. But you don’t.
     
    An “agnostic Christian” is a phrase I coined to describe my own “religious” views. I believe that a valid interpretation of any religion will be entirely compatible with the methodology and established facts of science. I try not to let religious prejudices color my understanding of the universe and its operation as are evident to the senses. Obviously, there is much more to it, but that will suffice. I am not proselytizing here.

    • Uncle Johnson

      @cdarwincole
       Sounds like a fancy way of saying you like Christ’s teachings but you don’t attend church? I did not make a bigoted statement. Ask you relatives about Sharia. Chances are they have been Americanized. Good luck with it.

      • ladypatriot

        @Uncle Johnson  @cdarwincole He can also ask them WHY they chose to leave their native land and come to a free America…..Why do people want a better life, come here, and then bring America down to what they left behind?  What will all the immigrants do when America loses her freedoms, and wealth (except for the few elite as is being planned and implemented)…?  There will always be a minority that doesn’t fit the profile of the majority you are speaking of.  People were warned about Sodom and Gomorrah, the great Flood, and other events in the Bible.  Those who chose to believe and did something about it, were saved.  I am not willing to put on rose-colored glasses and refuse to see things as they truly are.

        • cdarwincole

          @ladypatriot  @Uncle Johnson
           First of all, I have read many books on Islam. I am an ardent critic of the “religion” and have been for decades. But I do not discuss it with my inlaws. That would be rude. We accept each other and don’t talk religion.
           
          I am simply telling you a fact. These people call themselves Muslim and they are wonderful people — more Christian in their actions and attitudes than most “Christians” I know.
           
          The history of Albania is complex. The Albanians are the ancient Illyrians. They were among the first Christians in Europe. Flash forward a couple of centuries: Constantine’s father was Illyrian (his mother British.) Flash forward a few more centuries: the Slavic Serbs began to invade the Balkans about the same time that the Skandinavian tribes began to invade what we now know as France, Russia, and England. The Albanians lost much of their land and wealth, including the rich mining areas in Kosova (“Kosovo” if you are a Serb). The Serbs treated them very poorly, even though the Albanians eventually converted the Serbs to Christianity. But when the Ottoman Turks invaded the Balkans in the second great Islamic expansion, the Albanians fought against the Turks alongside the Serbs. The Ottomans won, howver. The Ottomans offered better tax rates and social position to those who converted to Islam. Many Albanians seized the opportunity so as to get some of thea chance to regain some of their lost power and lands. But many did not convert. Those that did maintained their strong family and community ties to those who did not. So in Albania, even today, Christians and Muslims get along perfectly well and intermarry. We celebrate our holidays together.
           
          You might say that these Muslims are not true Muslims and that the Christians (like me, though I am English) are not true Christians. I frankly don’t care. You are not God and are in no position to make such judgements.

        • Ray Downen

          @cdarwincole  @ladypatriot  @Uncle Johnson God has spoken. When we read what He caused to be written and we believe and tell about it, we are not making judgments. God is the judge. But it’s unfortunate that you think you are a Christian if in fact you are not. Many do think that they are Christian who are fooling themselves. Islam is more a political party than a religion. The religion is just the face they put on their lust for political power. But the murders committed in the name of Mohammed should persuade any observer to know that he does not head a religion. Jesus offers salvation to all. Mohammed offers death and misery like that of the 19-year old daughter of a Muslim whose father tried to kill her, so far without success. Why? Because she knew better than to marry the man she was told by her father that she MUST marry. Islam is terrible. Christianity offer life, peace, and joy. The two cannot co-exist. The Muslims won’t allow it. The Christians are unable to live at peace with ones whose aim is to destroy them.

        • ladypatriot

          @Ray Downen  @cdarwincole  @Uncle Johnson You make sense in this post.  I don’t understand, though, why you said about us only thinking we are Christian.  How do you relate me with this posting in the way you  spoke. in the first few sentences?  I basically agree with you, but am a bit confused at the way you began it and addressed it to include me.  Am I missing something?  I just spoke up for the Veteran ‘s right to say what he said and the way he said it.  I also recognized the desperation and warning in his posting.

    • Daniel from TN

      What the Sam Hill did you just say?

    • Ray Downen

      @cdarwincole I hope we are not making “sweeping, bigoted statements about Muslims.”  We are telling truths about Islam and the Koran which indeed is rambling and anti-godly. What is not clear is how much each Muslim believes such foolishness. As are those who seek to be Christian, many are unfamiliar with the instruction book, so many Muslims may be fine people. But those who follow the Koran are not in any way fine people. They hate and seek to destroy anyone who sees the real Mohammed in truth. This nation would be better off with NO Muslims as citizens. Our citizens should pledge allegiance to the U.S.A. We should all speak English. We should all seek the good of the nation and never its destruction. If he had those qualifications, Obama would be totally different than he obviously is.

    • Ray Downen

      @cdarwincole Let it be known that there cannot be a Christian who is agnostic. The two ways of thought are antagonistic rather than in any way alike. Cole may describe himself (herself) in that way, but it’s impossible for the two to be combined.

    • KentPerry

      @cdarwincole You preach all that materialist crap then say “I am not proselytizing here.”umm,, YES, you ARE.   It’s about time somebody told you.

  • remesquaddie

    It’s truly time for our government to ” NOT”  recognize ISLAM as a religion. That is STEP ONE.

    • JuneGagnon

      @remesquaddie It would be beneficial if most people would take the time to either study islam, OR read Dr. Robert Spencer’s book – “Did Muhammed Exist?”.  They would discover islam  is NOT a religion – -it IS a fascist ideology!  Do you know of any “religion” on earth that demands you practice violence, rape, murder and mayhem?  Their quran is NOT a holy book; it is a book of lies, supposed written by an “illiterate” heathen pedophile.  Islams was introduced, in the mid-east, in the latter part of the 7th century, by a tribe of Saracens, or some invading army, as a  means of “crowd control”.  And it worked like a charm – -the muslims bought  the lie  “hook, line and sinker”!  They’ve been lied to for centuries and still believe the lie and practice it every day and continue to try and “force” it on the rest of the world!

      • ladypatriot

        @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie You forgot to mention how they repeat their god is “merciful” as they blow up buildings, cars, people, and commit their crimes and atrocities.

        • JuneGagnon

          @ladypatriot  @remesquaddie That’s included in the “murder, mayhem” sentence!

      • paxcat

        @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie Totally correct!

      • Evermyrtle

        @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie It is a book straight from hell. if one half of what I have heard about is true.

        • piolenc

          @Evermyrtle  @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie You don’t have to rely on what you hear – good English translations of the Koran and the Haditha are available on-line free of charge – and yes, they are chilling. Ironically, Muslims are discouraged from reading the Koran in any language other than the original classical Arabic – a language few but devoted scholars can read fluently. Thus non-Muslims studying Islam are often more knowledgeable of Mohammad’s ravings than devout Muslims are.

        • ladypatriot

          @Evermyrtle  @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie Our Bible quotes JESUS.  Their book quotes the adversary……………….

      • enubus

        @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie
         Finally, the light of reason and truth!

      • DRLJR

        @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie From what I have seen documented Mohammed was actually a fairly education man and politician.  He was a dedicated follower of the moon god and wanted only his god followed.  So he created a system to impose and indoctrinate his desires.  He was a politician who made his living stealing and murdering trading caravan as well as lying. When he was finally rejected by the greater good of the people the murdering apparently started in earnest.  If one wants to understand Islam all has to do is to look at National Socialism (NAZI) and how it got a hold of Germany.
         
        He was a successful Charles Manson who got people to follow him with his stolen goods.  The word “Allah” apparently means “the god” and the people of Arabia, the Middle East and North Africa knew exactly who was being referred to.  In addition, people forget that Arabia, the Middle East and North Africa was a mixture of Christian, Jews and Pagan (who also worshiped the moon god).  To use the words “Islam was introduced” is to convey an inaccurate description of events.  Islam was imposed on the non-Islamic by force in Arabia, the Middle East and North Africa.  It has never been peaceful. 
         
        Just some items I have found with cross references and external documentation.

        • ladypatriot

          @DRLJR  @JuneGagnon  @remesquaddie Also, their book okays beating the wife.  It also says they took Israel from the Jews because they (Moslem) judged the Jews unworthy. Tthey also want to annihilate the Jews into the sea.

  • Bill Randal

    This young woman is 19 years old!  Under the laws of our Country, she is an ADULT.  Were I she, I would remounce the ‘family’ and charge them with agravated assault and battery.  That might get them enough time so she could get away from them.  Shareah ‘law’ and radical Islam have no place here, even if the ‘president’ says so.

    • KentPerry

      @Bill Randal If I were her, I would DEMAND they be put in jail.  I would get a restraining order against them and sue them in civil court also.   She is 19 years old, she is not under any parental authority at that age much less the butt stupid primitive and draconian oppression of a camel raping muzzy and that retrograde religion of retards they insist on following and WE are DUMB enough to let in this country and allow its practice.  ANYONE who reads this,, if you are a Muslim and you believe the garbage that is in that book, I don’t care what our dipshit impostor in the white house says because I got no respect for that a-hole either, but if you are here BE ADVISED: Many of us have had it with you morons and the liberal judges that capitulate to the extremist.  We have been holding back our rage against you and you are not welcome here nor will THIS American Veteran treat you with anything but disdain at your repugnant presence here.  Yeah I am a BIGOT where you are concerned and you may EXPECT me to hate your guts with extreme prejudice.. I put up with watching you idiots beating the crap out woman while in the Middle East, but HERE in the States, if I see one of you rag heads so much as lay a finger on any girl I don’t care if it’s your wife or your daughter,  Ill take YOUR head off and then Ill CRAP down your stinkin NECK! Got It !

      • Ray Downen

        @KentPerry  @Bill Randal This note is scandalous and ridiculous and should be removed immediately. Surely the blog is intended for sensible citizens. It’s obvious that Perry Kent is neither sensible nor entirely sane since the writer assumes his rant would be edifying to readers.

        • gunny

          Hey Ray, I’m sure you can get a job, doing editorial work for the “Irani News”
          Kent Perry may bit a bit far out, but I think he pretty much sums up the general
          attitude of a free man.

        • Ray Downen

          @gunny Some people rant and rave but most educated gentlefolk don’t agree with the rantings. Some of us appreciate sharing ideas. None with whom I converse talk with such thinking or language as that of Perry Kent. And gunny likes cursing and gutter language!

        • ladypatriot

          @Ray Downen  @gunny I don’t use that language myself, but, I understand where Kent Perry is coming from.  He is angry and fed up.  He has been in the Middle East and saw what many of us have only heard of.  The women are treated badly and with little to no respect.  I resent them coming to my free (thus far…) America and bringing their bad ways with them and demanding we allow or sanction it.  Kent is obviously a Veteran (and so am I) and has even more right to “sound off”.
          He isn’t just “sharing ideas” as you said.  This goes beyond ideas.  It’s too late for that. This is a definite and solid threat to our country in too many ways.  Maybe if more people were to stand up and speak up, Mr. Perry wouldn’t have to feel the desperation to warn us citizenry and to put the potential and real threats to our America on notice.

        • kalamawashington

          @ladypatriot  @Ray Downen  @gunny Ladypatriot:  Thank you.

        • grams

          @ladypatriot  @Ray Downen  @gunny I agree ladypatriot. I understand why Mr. Perry feels that way.  I am fed up with all the political correct garbage that goes along with it.  If it offends someone we may not do it, but it’s ok for them to shred our Constitution, our courts, laws etc. I am sick to death of all the “don’t offend them routine” when regularly offend us, our country and our laws.  They are guests in this country and as such they need to abide by our laws. If their culture (religion and I say that loosely), demands they follow certain ideals that breaks the laws here, then they should not stay here and go back to the country that accepts and lives by those laws.  I do not believe the muslim religion (as they call it), is a religion…it is a culture…a way of life for them.  That being said,  it is their choice to live under those laws and therefore should live in a country that too abides by their laws.  Any religion (so to speak) that preaches murder of your family (mainly girls or woman), is NOT a peaceful or just.  So yes…even though I found his article perhaps in poor taste, I found it amusing and certainly justified. So to him I say Bravo for the guts to speak up and out!

        • grams

          @gunny I agree!  Enough is enough.  We the people are tired of it and Bravo to that man that had the courage not to rap it in frills and say it like it is.

        • gunny

          Ray, when one sits in the ivory tower, being judgemental becomes the norm,
          your superior attitude overshadows your interlect, I did not condone cursing and gutter language, in retrospect I now feel that,  on occasion, the English language simply cannot adaquately describe the atrocities presently being ascribed to the adherents of Islam. Again, as a Psg and platoon leader i discouraged the use of profanity and gutter language within my platoon  Successfully, I might add !

        • KentPerry

          @gunny My Hats off to you gunny.   I happen to think calling a Muslim that would do this, the expletive of your choice,  IS politically correct speech, in addition to being appropriate speech.

  • BobMarshall

    Those Muslims that believe this kind of behavior is acceptable in America should be deported along with all illegals.

    • txlady706

      @BobMarshall along with the judge

  • txlady706

    Nineteen?  Isn’t she an adult?  What makes her a child?

    • Uncle Johnson

      @txlady706
       She has a learning disability and suffers from epilepsy. She is still in High School. She is as they say “special needs”.

      • remesquaddie

        @Uncle Johnson  @txlady706 THAT…makes this crime even more horrendous.

      • Guest

        @Uncle Johnson  @txlady706
         Leave it to Muslims to beat on their mental superiors.

    • moskiPo

      @txlady706 Liberals are saying you are a child till 26 in Obamacare.  Unless you need an abortion then you are an adult at 14 and do not need to inform the parents.  LIBERAL LOGIC.

      • Evermyrtle

        @moskiPo  @txlady706 Christians are willing to care for people who cannot care for themselves. We do not believe in taking care of adults who can take care for themselves as long as they are trying, that is the difference between a Christian and a liberal. Liberals take care of their friends with other peoples money, not their own.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @moskiPo  @txlady706 now we’re separating political from religious? I know several Catholic Liberals..yes! lets furher divide humankind!

      • DonaldLaFace

        @moskiPo  @txlady706 mosk..how that reads is that a youth up to 26 can remain under their parents family Health ins plan..as for a young women../actually child ,,I fully believe she must tell her parents or legal guardian if they are pregnant…having a child is biological but being responsible and thinking is mental!!..and btw,,some form of sex education should be mandatory in ‘all’ schools!!..Abstinense is a mental thing!!..it comes under thinking!…and we all know 14 year olds aren’t known for their thinking!

  • Guest

    So, since I’m an old person, does that mean I can pound the sh_t out of a Muslim and because it’s ok in Islam for elders to treat younger people like cr_p, I’d only get a talking to?

    • Uncle Johnson

      Not even if you blind and in a wheel chair. You’ll probably get tazed.

  • trinket

    I’d like to know the name of the judge so that I can write him a scathing letter along with a ticket to Arabia where they can do the same thing to him.  Poetic justice.

  • jhngoodell

    Not if you are an Infidel, the only ones under Obama who get a by are Muslims.

  • cdarwincole

    Uncle Johnson, I have been raising the alarm about radical Islam for decades.
     
    I know all about Sharia law and have for decades. My inlaws laugh at it and think the Muslims of the Near East are crazy people.
     
    I attend church and have been a deacon in the past.
     
    You have no right to tell me what constitutes a valid interpretation of Christianity, nor are you qualified to cast aspersions on all Muslims. You don’t know what you are talking about. You assume way too much.
     
    End of discussion.

  • NavyJR

    @dhmill: It was the former that got Nixon impeached over “Watergate”,   I agree the latter is far worse, and I KNOW no one will be prosecuted or even charged over it.  Look at who’s running the {in-}Justice department!  Too many serious crimes have been blown off, buried, or lied into oblivion in this nation, even within my memory span, for us to ever regain our Constitutional Republic, so far as I can see, WITHOUT splitting away from the corporation of DC!

  • DelAbbey

    dO NOT TRUST ANY living MUSLIM ONLY THE DEAD ONES

    • 52pickup

      @DelAbbey Very good and may all muslims be happy with their 72 or so wives, and may they be impotent and have to work all day and night to support them forever after! I could not imagine a worse hell.

      • JuneGagnon

        @52pickup  @DelAbbey You’re referring to their anticipated “72 virgins” – -what they’ve not discovered, yet, is their 72 virgins ARE 36 lesbians and 36 very angry nuns!  Boy, are they in for a surprise!

        • 52pickup

          Better yet if insteade of nuns the 36 ars transgender queers @JuneGagnon  @52pickup  @DelAbbey

        • DonBahn1

          @JuneGagnon  @52pickup  @DelAbbey I thought they misspelled Virginian militia

        • Bill Randal

          June:
          Worse yet!  Sure, they get the 72 virgins.  (Where did THAT number come from?)  BUT…  Supposedly after death you rremain as a SPIRIT, leaving the BODY to the Earth.  A spirit has no bodily organs.  The virgins will remain so.  Can you imagine the frustration?  HAHA!

      • ladypatriot

        @52pickup  @DelAbbey Their 72  “virgins” will be the daughters of perdition who never got a body because they were part of the 1/3 rebellious beings that were thrown out of God’s presence with the adversary.  They are and will forever be “virgins”, only not the kind the terrorist murderers hoped for.  DelAbbery, that would be a worse hell…actually being there, with untouchable “virgins” throughout eternity!

  • Bob Koomans

    Shariah law is a further degradation of what our Old Testament laws were (made by men, not God, but intended for the rough conditions of those days). Jesus mentioned more than once, that the laws (OT rules intended to define God’s Laws) and their punishments, were far too harsh and made life unbearable for humans. Jesus even went as far as to show HOW God’s original Laws were to be applied… after all Jesus said that it was HE who was the “I AM” that was contacting Moses and handed over the Laws to him. Jesus spoke out against the laws of men, and was cunningly arranged to be assassinated / executed for it very publicly! (fulfilling prophecy). Yes, as a supposedly “Christian” country, USA should never tolerate Shariah Law! USA should set a proper Christian application also, of it’s OWN Laws, by refusing to allow murder of it’s own citizens, whether before birth, or after birth, or as adults. It is a fact that many INNOCENT people ended up being executed for crimes they never committed. Even in Australia !!! – No, Shariah law (if it exists in that form really) should be banned and vocally so. I Muslims don’t want to obey, send them BACK to places they came from, as they benignly admit by their actions, that they were happier back “home”.

    • grumpyoldconservative

      @Bob Koomans Bob, 1. The Old Testiment Law was not made by men, but instead given to men directly by God; see the Exodus and the story of Moses. 2. Jesus NEVER said that the Law was too harsh and NEVER contradicted it with His teachings. Instead, He taught that the Law condemns us(sinners one and all), but that we could be saved through the grace provided by the sacrifice/death of the one without sin(Jesus that is, who is God; three in one) according to the Law. Only by grace are we saved; there is NO other way. Have faith in that.

      • dondh

        @grumpyoldconservative  @Bob Koomans
         You are so right, Bob!  Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life!  But first, one must ask Jesus to come into his or her life and then by His grace anybody who does so will be saved!!  Furthermore, Jesus is the same yesterday as he is today and is forever, never changing.

        • RonSmith1

          @dondh  @grumpyoldconservative  @Bob Koomans I agree with your sentiment but to claim that YOUR religion is the “ONLY WAY ONLY TRUTH: etc blah is in fact inherently infallibly false just as a matter and test of logic would easily faithfully prove.  Each must find truth and enlightenment and God in their own way.  What is the only way for one (you) is not the only way for all.  If some misguided Muslim or Budhist or Hindu wants to worship God by some other name and seeks to interpret their religion in a peaceful loving beneficial way and be a good person that is certainly within God’s domain to allow for that possibility.  These people did evil things and did not find their way to God’s grace most certainly.  One should in seeking God’s grace choose NOT to believe all Christians to be good because they claim to have found Jesus and not believe all others to have failed in their quest for grace, peace, salvation and goodness.

      • KentPerry

        @grumpyoldconservative  @Bob Koomans I believe what God intended with the Ten Commandments Bob was to show man that he needed a savior.  The laws most certainly WERE requested as strict and as harsh as the so called chosen ones ASKED for.   These were not part of God’s Ideal plan just like slavery was not part of Gods ideal for us.  They were laws man made and God did not endorse many of them..  You probably think the story about Jesus and the prostitute where he says “He without sin, cast the fist stone has something to do with tempering justice with mercy but it had nothing to do with that message of being forgiving but many insist that was the message behind it..

  • bigindianjim

    nothing surprises me anymore in this country. We elect a possibly non-citizen to be president, we allow cheating in the voting booths, dead people can vote, non citizens vote and a certain race of people are allowed to vote as many times as they want to in as many precincts as they want. Why not allow a foreign law to rule in our courts. Anything to appease the muslims, we don.t want to make them live under the same laws as everyone else, GOD forbid we upset them or offend them with the truth. Lets all start voicing our concerns to the right people and start playing the same games that his followers play. We have the same rights they have, lets start demanding them. No more special treatment for a certain type of person, no more support for the second and third generation of welfare  users, no more special preference for jobs, especially government jobs. It is time for people to be responsible for themselves, Stop feeding at the government trough.

  • KarenWI

    Our country is Now being run by criminals and traitors who do NOT uphold Laws and our constitution.

  • HildaDavis

    This just should be removed from the bench asap.  The father should be in prison, as well as the mother and sister for their actions.  THIS IS AMERICAN, AND WHAT THEY DID WAS A FELONY CRIME AND THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED.  ARE WE GOING TO SIT BACK AND ALLOW THE DAMN MUSLIMS AND THEIR LAW AND RELIGION TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY AMERICAN’S HAVE FOUGHT HUNDREDS OF YEARS TO MAKE WHAT IT IS?
    THIS IS UNBELIEBABLE

  • FullMetalGranni

    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.”
                                             —Theodore Roosevelt

  • BarbPatton

    Sharia Law has been well and healthy in America for a long time and everybody in the Justice Department has closed their eyes to the inevitable.  Now that the ayatollah barack hussein (I wish I could use my middle name(muslim) is in power this will make all the muslims in our country very very bold and you will see the terrible punishments that they exact on their women.  GOD HELP AMERICA.

  • gunny

    It would seem, with the present administration, and subsequent federal judge appointments, this type of legal judgement will most likely be the rule rather than the exception, I can foresee vigilante justice rising in the future.
    I’m sure most Americans that read this account  will experience a sense of revultion and wonder in fact if our “Bill of Rights” is any longer revelent as perceived by liberal “One World” judges, seemingly  preferred by liberal democrats . If the next four years doesn’t drive people to prayer, nothing will !!

  • http://aol.com/ ssilv48

    We the People might need to replace judges.

  • dragonfFIRE01

    got that right Barb

  • Evermyrtle

    What is going on in this country would be horribly, unbelievable but GOD’S WORD tell us about it and says when we see these things going on the end days
    Matthew 24: 19-24
    19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days
    20. But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened
    23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is CHRIST,or there; believe it not.
    24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that ,if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
     
     
    !! Timothy 3:1-7
    1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    3. Without natural affection, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures,more than lovers of GOD,
    5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away..
    6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.
    7. Ever learning, and never able to come to knowledge of the truth.

  • NavyJR

    @Ursula: You’re right about the women, and how they’re brainwashhed and treated.  Keep in mind that Muslims HATE dogs and won’t even touch them.

  • iaman

    What this family has done is horrible. There is no human that would agree with what the parents did to their daughter. Let’s not be completely emotional and judge islam and muslims as brutal and insane. The family did what they did because they are insane, they don’t represent islam or any other group of people. They represent themselves only. You can find tons of stories online about people from a particular “religion”  who did unspeakable things to their siblings, but does that mean each story represent the whole religion? Of course not.

    • Ray Downen

      Humans who are taught from infancy to believe as the Koran teaches would agree with what the family did to the daughter who wouldn’t do what her father demanded she must do. So there are some humans who would agree. You say there are not.

      • paulendes

        @Ray Downen What? Speak English please, and in laymens terms.

      • JanConroy

        @Ray Downen Those alleged “humans” of whom you speak are actually mindless zombies.

    • bigindianjim

      How many other religions in the world arrange marriages for there children and then try to kill them if they don’t obey.  If you tried to cut someones throat and you family was helping you do it, do you think the court would give you probation? Don’t think so.

  • ConnieStanson

    Not there is no honor is killing, Period, GOD says Woe to those who hurt my children. GOD will pay him back.

  • ConnieStanson

    Hi Steve Buckley, Yes this is going to be very hair raising indeed. I think we better L& L and be ready for anything. I read somewhere today, LOL sorry can’t remember where, I’ve been reading allot. but anyway. on a more serious note. Hamas told Israel; “They opened up the Gates of Hell, and have been bombing them all day. Is this a prophecy coming true ?  Stay Alert , Lock and Load, and Stay Safe, by all means.

  • Randy Odegaard

    Not only does islam want to push the Jews into the sea, they want to kill and dispose of all Jews everywhere mainly because of the blessing bestowed on one son who later became the father of the Jewish nation and the other the father of the arab world.  Also, islamic thugs also kill people like us who they consider ‘infidels’ because we don’t follow the islamic faith and mohammed.  There’s going to be a race war soon and it won’t be whites and blacks, it’ll be between the rest of the world, Christians especially, against muslims and there are over a billion practising muslims in the world.  Better arm yourselves and prepare for the coming battle the more islam muscles and bullies it’s ways onto the American people.  It’s time to stand up for our country and what this country stands for and represents.

    • ladypatriot

      @Randy Odegaard Remember the story about the Nazis….”When they came for the Jews,, I wasn’t Jewish…..When they came for the Catholics, I wasn’t Catholic…….and when they came for me, there was no one left to help me…….”  How does it go?  they want to annihilate the Jews, yes; but, then they will be coming for the “infidels” who won’t give up the one true God and His Son Jesus to become one of them Muslims and their god that justifies killing, mayhem, terrorism, abuse of women and girls, and no freedom of speech……………………… Israel is such a tiny country surrounded by so many muslims. 
      As Christians we are to be on Israel’s side.  Pray for Israel and her safety.  Pray for America, for we are also on their hit list.

      • Randy Odegaard

        @ladypatriot Oh I most definitely pray for Israel and for us, I also pray for the muslims to have our Lord change their ways but I doubt that they will.  Sooner or later they will realize they are fighting a losing battle against so-called Zion.  The Israely people have been around since the beginning of time, longer than any other nation on earth, unless you count the Indians but who knows.  This war boils down between two half brothers, Isaac on whom the Lord said,”I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.”  As for Ishmael, who was born of Hagar, who was handmaiden to Sarai, Abrahams wife who hadn’t as yet conceived a son so she gave Hagar to Abraham to bare him a son.  Afterwards, Sarai bore a son and his name was Isaac.  Onto, Ishmael the Lord had said he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. If you need a ref. this is in Genesis chapter 16-chapter 17. So as you see this war between the arabs and the Jews is basically a war between brothers, both nations came from one man, Abraham, the arabs mother was Hagar and the Israelites mother was Sarah.  This war will not ever be over until one destroys the other and I’m afraid the arabs will be on the losing side in this one.  Whew!!!

    • KentPerry

      @Randy Odegaard  The “Jewish Nation”?  Gee isn’t that all inclusive and such.   First, the Jews are NOT the chosen ones and the idea they are is ridiculous.  These are NOT the Judahites and Jesus was NOT a JEW. The Quran is a mish mash of stolen material from the Bible and the Talmud. some from the torah.  These Jews today are of Ismael, NOT Isaac

  • RonSmith1

    Wow!  An article on Last Resistance that is not complete right wing tripe.  I am actually shocked!  Good reporting – love to see more like it!

  • Casmige

    America is done, gone, & irrecoverable: bienvenidos a Somali-Amerika
     
    Where if you a SPANISH Minority, people will coddle & palliate your language even though you don;t care enough to speak a single word of the Country’s MAIN Language that all other Minorities have to learn & speak.
    Where the “Pro Choice” Means taking an innocent life rather than making that pro-choice when the legs fly open for indiscriminate irresponsible sexual coitus.
     
    Where “Affordable Health Care Act” forces everyone to purchase insurance or get fined or go to jail but one is racist & fear mongering for asserting that such a Gov’t intrusion is no different than a Mao Se Dung revolution…
     
    Where Black on White Flash Mob Crime is termed a “Knock-Out Game” & nothing is done about the violence but a home invasion where the perp’s are shot dead by the HOME-OWNER is referred over to a Grand-Jury for review.
     
    Where a White/Black Assertively “Christian” president who never attends any Christian church except that of Black Pantheresque Black Liberation Theological Fascism can publicly say one thing & absolutely do the exact opposite all without any opposition or redress. 
     
    It’s over….no hope to ever arise again.
     
    Bye, bye Miss American Pie
    Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
    Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
    Singin’ this’ll be the day that I die
    This’ll be the day that I die……

  • Casmige

    America is done, gone, & irrecoverable:
     
    bienvenidos a Somali-Amerika
     
    Where if you a SPANISH Minority, people will coddle & palliate your language even though you don;t care enough to speak a single word of the Country’s MAIN Language that all other Minorities have to learn & speak.
     
    Where the “Pro Choice” Means taking an innocent life rather than making that pro-choice when the legs fly open for indiscriminate irresponsible sexual coitus.
     
    Where “Affordable Health Care Act” forces everyone to purchase insurance or get fined or go to jail but one is racist & fear mongering for asserting that such a Gov’t intrusion is no different than a Mao Se Dung revolution…
     
    Where Black on White Flash Mob Crime is termed a “Knock-Out Game” & nothing is done about the violence but a home invasion where the perp’s are shot dead by the HOME-OWNER is referred over to a Grand-Jury for review.
     
    Where a White/Black Assertively “Christian” president who never attends any Christian church except that of Black Pantheresque Black Liberation Theological Fascism can publicly say one thing & absolutely do the exact opposite all without any opposition or redress. 
     
    It’s over….no hope to ever arise again.
     
    Bye, bye Miss American Pie
    Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
    Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
    Singin’ this’ll be the day that I die
    This’ll be the day that I die……

  • admoneymatters

    @ Casmige:- from Independence to 2008 America grew and prospered. Note something? – The country was led by generally fairly decent white guys. Note something ELSE? – No African (Black) country has survived for long under local (black) rule. It took a black Muslim non-legit president, claimed to be a fraud citizen, to destroy what white men built up since Independence. Even if he leaves office, it may take another 100 years to rebuild the damage done. Now Obama is allowing Courts to introduce Shariah laws as well???

  • admoneymatters

    Is it TRUE what I read, that in the USA, 50 States are petitioning for SECESSION from the Commonwealth? That would be interesting, only Washington State becomes the America part of the DIS-Union! – What if Obama sends out the troops to stop secession? How many troops are left in Washington that then would come under the new Nation of  Washington?

    • NavyJR

      @admoneymatters It is true that all 50 states, which includes Washington state on the northwest corner of the continental US, have petitions in  to secede; and that would leave the District of Columbia, which is, in fact a corporation, by itself.  Now, understand, this is “We the People” not all the citizens or the governments of the states who are petitioning; but our GOVERNMENT was FORMED by “We the People” and you may find proof of that in the opening words of our Constitution.

      • DRLJR

        @NavyJR  @admoneymatters Actually Washington D.C. is part of Maryland on loan to the national govenment.  It is important for people to remember that little fact.  Arlington VA used to be part of D.C. as well but it was given back (1847 I believe due to the slave auctions locations I believe).  Reference Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 17 of the US Constitution.  In fact, D.C. is part of Prince Georges county Maryland.  I don’t believe any of it borders Montgomery county.

        • NavyJR

          @DRLJR  DC itself is situated on land that was at one time {before 1800} part of VA and part of MD, but designated as separate from both before the construction of the city even began, for the very reason that in that way NO one of the or more of the states could lay any more claim to it than any of the others.  And in the early 1870s that city changed from Washington City, as it was still known through the Civil War, to Washington, District of Columbia when it incorporated and our true Constitutional republican government was replaced by that corporation!  The Constitution itself was amended at that time to be the Constitution of the United States of America, from the Constitution of the united States for America {caps and prepositions are IMPORTANT in this instance}, the original 13th Amendment was simply discarded and replaced by what’s seen there now, and the 14 th and 15th were added and “ratified” at “gunpoint” so to speak, since the southern states were still occupied by northern forces, and those were running the show.

        • DRLJR

          @NavyJR The land, like all property under the control of the national government, is still part of the State in which it is located.  Washington DC is still part of Maryland and is just on loan to the national government.  If the boundary are changed by Congress all of the land removed from the Washington DC reverts back to Maryland’s control.  That is one reason every time people start talking about making Washington DC into a State Maryland puts a stop to it.  Refer to Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution.  And please read what Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 17 states.  Washington DC is on loan to the national government just as all federal installation are.  In New Jersey Fort Monmouth is being returned to New Jersey’s control.
           
          Remember, any law or treaty in conflict with the US Constitution are null and void.

  • admoneymatters

    @ Randy Odegaard:- The Muslims won’t last long in a war according to Prophecy in the Bible. They didn’t in the 6-day WAR with Israel. (Israel defeated combine forces of Syria, Jordan and Egypt. who had massive armies intent on killing all Jews, regardless of Prophetic protection that God will give His People, despite their sins against His Son, who saved the ancestors of the Jews in 70AD, and allowed them to scatter to the “4 corners” of this world.)

  • paulendes

    you were warned, it is written about in the Word of God (the Christian bible), that everyone shall serve the beast, lest your names be written in the lambs book of life. Accept Christ now as the savior and son of God ( God sent to earth walking as you and I in the flesh). He first talked the talk (prophesy) and then He walked the walk (Jesus Christ). The facts have proven it over and over, now it’s time to believe, you take it on faith. A simply heart felt prayer of “my Lord, God and Savior, I believe in you, your son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all mankind, believers and non- believers. I want to be a part of your kingdom and your way of life. I ask you to give that life to me, I want to follow you. I pray this in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen!” God will save you from that great days/ days of disaster, it’s His promise, He never breaks a promise, and that I promise! Any questions? My email: [email protected] Paul Endes, I live in Texas.

  • paulendes

    you were warned, it is written about in the Word of God (the Christian bible), that everyone shall serve the beast, lest your names be written in the lambs book of life. Accept Christ now as the savior and son of God ( God sent to earth walking as you and I in the flesh). He first talked the talk (prophesy) and then He walked the walk (Jesus Christ). The facts have proven it over and over, now it’s time to believe, you take it on faith. A simply heart felt prayer of “my Lord, God and Savior, I believe in you, your son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all mankind, believers and non- believers. I want to be a part of your kingdom and your way of life. I ask you to give that life to me, I want to follow you. I pray this in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen!” God will save you from that great days/ days of disaster, it’s His promise, He never breaks a promise, and that I promise! Any questions? My email: [email protected] Paul Endes, I live in Texas.

  • TPM

    How long before abusive men (spouses, etc) begin “converting” to Islam … so that they can have “carte blanche” in their relationships with their women? If you’re a muslim and your “ho” disrespects you …
    First, shout “Allahu Akbar” …
    Then, throw her a beating. Hey, it’s a part of my (new) culture
     
    Is this what our country is coming to? Where is NOW and the other women’s rights groups? They are strangely silent on this issue.

    • NavyJR

      @TPM Several years ago; you just haven’t caught on, apparently.

  • cdarwincole

    Don’t impose your limited Neanderthal comprehension on me, Ray Dowen. The first words of Jesus are that “It becomes us to fulfill all righteousness.” There is GREAT righteousness in the methods and findings of science, and they get as far as they do by not simply resorting to saying, “God did it.”
     
    Many of you here sem to be as insane as the Islamic Fundamentalists. I am getting out after I reply to others. Don’t bother replying.

    • KentPerry

      @cdarwincole You know I googled the phrase “God did it”  Turns out, that phrase is said by more atheists than any one at all in any science.  It seems atheist or as they like to think themselves “The Philosopher Kings of Science! ”  they seem to think they have this club called the Science Community.  Well if I were to use your type of scientific logic, I would have to associate things that are evil with things Science has brought us.   Gee I betcha I can do a LOT with that kind of argument Lets start with the Atomic Bomb shall we Darwin?

      • cdarwincole

        @KentPerry
        You ought to take a few courses in logic and rhetoric (I have) so you might understand how fallacious your arguments and world view are and how truly ignorant you sound to genuinely intelligent and clear-thinking people like me. ;-)
         
        The same nuclear physics that produced “The Bomb” has also given us the magnificent understanding of the workings of the Universe that we have today.The same processes that make the bomb work also operate inside stars, transforming the elements of Big Bang Nucleosynthesis into the heavier elements, especially heavier when they explode in supernovas (in some cases so overpacking the nuclei of the atoms that they become radioactive). We are made of the very stuff thus forged in stars. it is a wonderful, beautiful revelation, is it not?  This same physics also has given us the fabulous technologies we have, including many of the medical techniques that we use to save peoples lives. And guess what? Much of the important work was done by JEWS, who also number among my friends and relatives. Oooo, that must just burn you up (in your own private Hell)…or maybe not. Maybe you are not THAT far gone.
         
        It is closed-minded, bigoted poeple like you living in Japan and Germany who made development and deployment of the bomb necessary.
         
        I happen to have been a friend of a professor (now deceased) who helped Truman write his memoirs. I can tell you that the bomb undoubtedly saved many, many, many more lives than it took.

        • gunny

          You make some very excellent points, I wonder how many  critics of Trumans decision to use the atomic bomb would be alive and whining today had the US invaded Japan as planned, I surmise the seeds that produced many of todays zealots would have expired on the beaches of Japan with their dead hosts. As for Kentperry, I haven’t decided whether he is an intellectual moron or the village idiot.

        • cdarwincole

          @cdarwincole  @KentPerry
           Thanks, Gunny. I am a bit angry with myself for my impatience with him. Like Muslims and Buddhists and cannibals and others on our little planet, he is the product of his heritage and personal past. He knows not what he does. I forgive him, though I somehow doubt he will extend the same love to me.

        • KentPerry

          @cdarwincole  You MISSED the entire point, Hoss but while you were spouting off your staggering intellect is so superior to mine and your idiotic suggestion my post is not logical while you offer NO reason as to how or why, I suppose it is illogical because YOU SAY SO?  By the way, my argument is not to point out the evils of atomic energy but was merely used in a comparison using YOUR logic about religion., I also agree with Truman’s decision

  • richars holmes

    Throw al this islam trash back to the cesspool country it came from

  • cdarwincole

    I was responding to someone with a statement in my defense, not proselytizing, KentPerry. Were I proselytizing, I would have a great deal more to say. But I won’t waste my time trying to reason with the sort of single-celled organisms that dwell in skulls like yours.
     
    You don’t need to go out of your way like this to find fault, especially when there is none to find but what you fabricate with your Neanderthal sensibilities.
     
    Many of you here sem to be as insane as the Islamic Fundamentalists. I am getting out. Don’t bother replying.

    • KentPerry

      @cdarwincole I thought you were leaving??   Well hurry up and take your dumb ass ad-hom insults and your ignorant  naivete regarding the Islamic world including  their agenda for global domination, with you.  Oh and hope the door hits you where the good lord split you.    You passive aggressive bloggers are all the same.

      • cdarwincole

        @KentPerry
         I am trying to leave. I don’t know why I keep getting messages in my email. I have written the administrator.
         
        First, you started the insults, moron.
         
        It’s funny to hear someone like you call me “ignorant” and naive. I have been raising the alarm about radical Islam for decades, well before 9-11. You are obviously too stupid to understand my posts. That one brain cell of yours has only one default setting and doesn’t understand much beyond it piddling little set of prejudices. You are like a clam that cannot imagine there is a world of forests and mountains and land-dewlling creatures beyond its water-covered patch of mud, never mind the galactic superclusters beyond that.

        • KentPerry

          @cdarwincole umm did the bag say, “PAINT CHIPS”?

        • Evermyrtle

          @cdarwincole  @KentPerry  Do not worry about people with such hate in their hearts, you are wasting your time. You cannot possibly out nasty  these people. I can’t even imagine such hate  and from a Christian?? or am I mistaken about that? Obviously!!!

        • KentPerry

          @Evermyrtle Spare me the goody goody Christian reputation to live up to.  Jesus Christ would be calling him a part of that brood of vipers, a snake a heathen of his Father the devil.   You want to be sugary sweet and give sugar coated messages go right ahead.  I am not here to give people, YOUR brand of syrupy sweet Christianity. It gives us a spiritual diabetes. I am here to be the Salt not the Sweet.  I don’t seek YOUR APPROVAL I SEEK HIS WILL  not yours

        • DonaldLaFace

          @cdarwincole  @KentPerry cdar I’m having that same problem..and especially with this chucklehead kent….though I try not to lower myself to his standards..good luck..there are better places to be!…good comment though!…don

  • cdarwincole

    RayDownen, I pretty much agree with what you say, now that I see you don’t paint all Muslims with the same brush.

  • cdarwincole

    RayDownen, you are not God, nor are you qualified to speak for God.
     
    I have no doubt that Jesus would agree with me and my view 100%. You don’t have to agree, and I cannot insist that you do. True Christians don’t do that.

    • Evermyrtle

      @cdarwincole  Christians are the only ones who GOD has to speak for HIM and we can speak for HIM as long as we follow the scriptures and tell the truth not wrongly deciphering the meaning. We must speak the truth, but we do have that right. Thank you Ray, all that I have read was right on line but I have not read all of your posts. Be careful, what you write and keep up the good work.

  • cdarwincole

    LadyPatriot, I don’t recall the exchange, and I don’t think intentionally addressed a reponse to you. It may be that your name was automatically added to a reponse because your post was in a chain of reponses. I apologize if I seemed to to refer to you in a way inappropriate to your statements. I was not responding to you.
     
    I have to say that I am a bit alarmed by the narrow views and superstitious mind-sets that I am encountering here. It is kind of distressing to think that I, as a conservative of Christian upbringing, could be believed to be associated with kooks this sort. But I don’t want to make sweeping statements. I am sure there are many rational and enlightened people here, too. My comments just seem to attract the other sort, for the most part. Anyway, I think I should just get out. I do not feel that I am among like-minded people here. Few seem able to moderate and discriminate.

  • servant

    So, under our NEW, Islaminisation. . . .we can now once again really beat our children?
    But what happens, MR and MRS and MS LIBERAL, when they grow up and become stronger and bigger than the parents and THEY return the favor?
     
    Typical WIBBERAL THINKING, never think father that one’s nose is long, ‘we”l face tomorrow when it comes, right?
     
    http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com

    • Evermyrtle

      @servant  This only applies when Muslims are taken into consideration, their law is what matters, be careful about having a law suite against a Islamist, be very careful. GOD alone can save us, so don’t forget to pray without ceasing, all Christian Americans!!!

  • Jim Bragg

    Evermyrtle, I disagree! 50% of the population here IS NOT liberial. Approximately 70-80% of people are conservative but just don’t know it or understand that they are. If you were to give them a test and not mention it is to determine if they are liberial or conservative the answers they give would indicate they are conservative to very conservative! Black Americans vote Democrat for the most part and in the last election they claim that over 95% of Blacks voted for the liberial party like Obama. The funny thing is that Black Americans are actually very conservative!

    • Evermyrtle

      @Jim Bragg You are likely correct. 20 % can overpower 80% easily because they will do anything, nothing is tabbo, no matter how dirty, to get what they want. Conservative have a great deal of self respect and will not win if they have to use dirt to do ti. That is what is happening in the USA. Thanks for reminding me of this fact.

  • BobMcCormick

    Let me get this straight; A non muslim mother, caught on surveillance cameras in a WalMart parking lot, giving her child an open handed swat on the backside can be immediately set upon and arrested by a protective services swat team, rappelling into the “scene of the crime” from black helicopters, while the children are placed in the custody of the state. But if you are some rag head Islamic nut case, it is perfectly acceptable to tie up your teen age daughter, torture and attempt to kill her, for the offense of talking to a boy.
     
    I try to keep an open mind, however the more I learn about Islam, I am becoming convinced that it is a religion of evil and violence.
     
    Sharia law has no place in our country and any judge basing his decisions on this abomination should be removed.

    • 52pickup

      @BobMcCormick And the perpetrator of this torture should be expulsed and sent back to the islamic country of origin. The daughter stays here.

      • 52pickup

        @52pickup  @BobMcCormick Also just imagine what these evil people would do to any of us if they had the chance. Between walking female “mummies” and terrorist male zealots, all capable of torturing their own daughter- This judge must be muslim also, and should also be removed.

  • gunny

    You and I probably agree 100 %, I’m somewahtn at a loss, I don’t remember what I wrote, I certainly don’t recall anything profane, having worn a uniform for 24 years, I don’t care for “barracks” converstaion, and when confronted with it , I automatically place the individual in contempt, and give his arguments little or no heed. I do realize the inherrent evil of the Muslim doctrine, on the other hand  consider the results of the late election, and  the apparent acceptance of this administration of the Muslim as “good intentioned, just  folks like you and I”, unfortunately my description of these people is diametrically opposite, I think they have been mired in the dark ages, not having made any significant progress socially or in mind set , about as trustworthy as a pet viper in as much as their loyalty is to Allah, not to any lay entity , I apoligize for the rhetoric, but I get carried away, forgive me ! We are on the same side !

  • BobMcCormick

    Amen
    Muslims come here supposedly for an opportunity for a better life, then they want to turn our country in to the same backward oppressive s—hole they came from.
    Respect our laws and the freedom to practice your religion in compliance with same or get out.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @BobMcCormick That’s one intelligent way of looking at it..another would to put more intelligent people on the bench!

  • Changa 77

    You are right. This the land of the free and the brave. Why should we let this happen to us. wake up America. Up until 4 years ago we could get by. Today wed are about to lose it all.

  • SurferDude

    Aloha BOB! I am not trying to “Diss” on your Comments,they do however reflect a certain “COMMONESS” of replies I have Read over and over again. I am not trying to take sides nor supply excuses lol However,has anyone Thought that the Open-ness  and FREEDOMS Here can CULTURALLY “confuse” many New comers to our Fair shores>? because of the Nature of our “Free Country” and the ATTITUDES it produces,in relation to the “NATURE” of the Country they had just Left>???? Please understand I am aware of the fact,that the Girl SUFFERED amazingly sever treatment and I am far from trying to make any EXCUSE for That! What I am trying to say is that People are told we are a FREE Country,and Perhaps they FEEL,they are FREE to ACT in any manner they FEEL is Right!!,since they have not yet Blended into,nor UNDERSTAND or have be EDUCATED into the GREAT American Melting Pot of IDEAS!  food for thought friends.

    • shagstar

      @SurferDude 
      yo dude,,,you already made an excuse in your 2nd paragraph!
      wait a minute,,,upon further review,,your entire statement is a friggin excuse to allow scumbags into our country and act like 3rd world animals with impunity!  how bout you go wax your board and take your med’s?  better yet,,enlist and wear a uniform before you speak?  mahalo,,dude!

    • kamaut longbabilon

      @SurferDude I see what you are getting at… even in Australia, some immigrants THINK that they can allow themselves to carry out laws…. amazingly laws that they tried to ESCAPE from!?

    • gunny

      I think you are overlooking the word “conscious”. I don’t think anyone living in the US can be confused regarding right and wrong,, by their own admission the parents and sibling knew exactly what the were doing. Consider this, practicing  Muslims have little or no interest to assimilate and enter into the American mainstream, their first and foremost allegiance is to Islam, this is fact ! To
      think devout Muslims would ever become truly Americanized is pure and unadulterated folly. To verify this go to the local library and get an unabridged copy on the Koran and read it.

      • NavyJR

        @gunny Gunny, I respect Marines very much, and I happen to know their “Docs” are pretty nearly “s,acred” to them.  I also happen to know of a Navy “Doc” who is also a practicing and self-proclaimed devout, Muslim, but who is FIGHTING for the SAME Constitution YOU took an oath to as well; the same oath HE took to that Constitution.  I will grant you there are NOT many, but DON’T rule them all out; take them as individuals, about this as you would take any other person about any particular issue.

  • paxcat

    surferdude:  Muslims have no intention of “blending” into any country, free or otherwise.  Their job is to swallow that country into their way of life, so that you will no longer be “free” to do anything without either becoming Muslim yourself or living within their rigid social system and pay a tax as an “infidel.”  Study history to see how many countries infiltrated with Islam have simply remained their original country – Islam does not allow that.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @paxcat Ahhh! and Christians especially the catlick bunch don’t feel that weay?

  • BobMcCormick

    surferdude: Seems like you are making excuses to me.
    As I said these people are free to practice their religion in compliance with US law. If they believe it is proper to raise their daughters to not interact with boys, or walk around in public with a blanket over their heads, that is their prerogative that is what the American melting pot is about. But physical abuse of the kind described in this article is not considered good parenting in our society, or hopefully by civilized people anywhere and there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that we will not tolerate it in our country.
    Just one more taught. The judge in this case is the one who is confused. It is not within his purview to consider laws that are not part of our legal code, does he not understand that a young girl was seriously injured, that her father intended to kill her. If these parents were punished in accordance with US law, there would be no confusion as to where their religion ends and state and federal law begins.

  • WhitkeaneMusicman

    I expected the Muslim family to be in Michigan since they are growing very fast there, was really surprised that it was Ar. That said, that poor young women must be having a heck of a time  getting any sleep since basically the Court put her RIGHT BACK in the “GRASP”  of her  attempted MURDERERS!!   With barely a swish of a feather for punnishment !!!  But then, the person “Playing the PART” of the so called JUDGE IS a Janet Napolitano appointee!!  DISGUSTING!!!!!   At this point, God & ONLY GOD can Save Us From Ourselves!!!!

    • shagstar

      @WhitkeaneMusicman 
      deer-bornistan,mich brother!

    • DonaldLaFace

      @WhitkeaneMusicman Surely you gist!…GOD?  HAHAHJA!HO!HO!..such a kidder,it’s like getting Bush to fix our economy!!

  • http://roywrt.blog.ca/ Roy Patterson

    As far are I am concerned Islam is the Religion from Hell. I have a friend who is a former Muslim, who is now a Christian. He tell me “Don’t Believe any of them”. They will lie to you, cheat you and a lot of time would kill you if they thought they could get away with it.

    • paxcat

      @Roy Patterson And, your friend would be right!

    • DonaldLaFace

      @Roy Patterson All religions are from hell,,if such a place exists ..but its just a word..Christians were no damn better,,check your history!!The jews in Israel practice and get away w/ apartheid and have become those who persecuted them..Man has been killing man in the names of their gods forever,,when the f**kj are we going to grow up!!???…then maybe there will be some peace on earth!……don

      • Jane18

        @DonaldLaFace  @Roy Patterson
         Hey Donald, get hold of yourself! The way you sound makes you no better than the ones we are discussing. Anyway, you are wrong about GOD, The GOD of our people-Christians. i understand a little of where you are coming from, but Donald, you are saying things you need to repent for, you know, be sorry for!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Jane18  @Roy Patterson Ok Jane I have hold of my left arm..You understand a little of where I’m comming from..from your writings I think not..now to whom do I repent.?.your Christian god or the Islamic god..tell me what makes these gods better than ‘RE’ or Zeus?..or any of the myriad of other gods man has had since its beginning?

        • Ray Downen

          @DonaldLaFace  @Jane18  @Roy Patterson There is one and only one Creator God. All other gods are created by men but Jehovah God created man.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen  @Jane18  @Roy Patterson Are you by chance a Jehova’s Witless?

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @DonaldLaFace  @Roy Patterson Don, one day you will face the Judgement; that will be the day you truly know of truth…albeit, too late.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Roy Patterson Hi Roy this isn’t to you..Someday I’ll face judgement..well I don’t believe in any of that and I highly doubt you know anyone who has and came back to tell you,,so praytell ‘dntm-‘er’,,,how do you know this will happen?..I’ll be dead, what’s left will be in a urn, until someone deposits my ashes in the wind…out in the middle of nowhere!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Roy Patterson …O’tay!

      • Ray Downen

        @DonaldLaFace  @Roy Patterson I’m amazed that someone who can’t spell could claim to have been a professor anywhere. God is. God made everything that now exists or ever will exist. God lives and cares for us. And only those who learn of the true God and who love and serve Him will enjoy eternity. God’s people will not have to put up with put downs by atheists after we die.
         
        As for Ishmael and Isaac, let it be known that it’s Arabs who are descended from Ishmael while all Jews are descended from one or another of the sons of Isaac’s son. The Jews now occupying Israel are by no means all religious. Yet they have a right to the land and are doing amazingly well in making that land productive despite all the opposition from Ishmael’s descendants and their friends.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen  @Roy Patterson Don’t know to many Prof’s do ya Ray!..look around everywhere you’ll find more spelling and diction mistakes since the advent of the computer..after I die I won’t have to put up w/ the likes of your kind either!…Gods people are the Jews and they’re doing a bang up job of showing everyone they’re right up there!

  • Born american

    I say as long as what they did is ok then take the mother father and sister and just spray them with pigs blood and be sure to get it in their mouths so the swallow it  would be fun to see the reaction that woud get

  • gunny

    Where are the bleeding heart Liberal womens groups, the SPCC, the outraged citizens that report children being spanked in public, I surmise being a Christan in todays world is akin to martyrdom.

  • DonaldLaFace

    oH GOOD i’LL become a Muslim then Attack a cop and tell the court that it’s part of my religious belief…either throw the Judge into Arpaeo’s jail or send that family packing! There are religions who smoke pot as part of their ceramony..it’s illegal they go jail there are all sorts of cruel things done to people in the name of Religions,,Religion should be outlawed but that’ll never happen….btw gunny I got spanked as a kid..not beaten, stabbed etc..

  • SurferDude

    Aloha Gunny! I think you misunderstood my Comment lol It was more a Broad Statement about the incoming foreign population taken as a Whole. I understand how you feel,though Painting everyone with the Same Brush is far from Fair,and also overlooks the POWER “the American Way” has had over the Years on a multitude of Foreign People,no matter what their religious focus might have been. I agree there are a lot of Bad Muslims out there,However they have no Lock Hold on Bogus,Ugly and Unspeakable Things done in this Country in the Name of God or Allah,or the god some people hear in their Heads!! food for thought friend,aloha

  • ladypatriot

    Very well said.  I wish the arabs could know  that in the end, they will lose.  God has promised Israel will survive and anyone who curses her will themselves be cursed.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @ladypatriot You fit the religious criteria to a ‘T’..one against the other in the name of your one true god!!..
      ..in this case It’s that moron judge who made the screw-up!,,Religion can’t be fixed but that judge should be

      • Buckaroo

        @DonaldLaFace  @ladypatriot
         Donald I agree with you about the judge in Arizona, and religion if you mean man’s attempt to reach God. The implication also seems to include God’s attempt to reach out to man through Jesus Christ, upon this I would take issue. God is not looking for religion but relationship and faith in the people of his creation, that is recognition that we or the cosmos  did not create ourselves but that He did, and is God.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @ladypatriot (Buckaroo)..as you state it..it’s about as close as I could get in believing that an ‘entity’ created all this, ie ..the cosmos…I do from time to time question something appearing from nothing as well ..this is probably why I don’t persecute those who believe in god, the rest I’ve no time for…’in gods image’ etc!

        • Buckaroo

          @DonaldLaFace  @ladypatriot
           As I stated previously propehcy, history written in advance, gives us cause to believe in the scrptures, when we see they have been fullfilled as prophesied. If one chooses to ignore this evidence, in my estimation they are being willfully ignorant. I do not argue about their right to do so.
          I personally am not making a judgment call on you but merely conveying what God’s word says to tjhose who do or will not believe in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.
          The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
          Psalms 14:1 (KJV)
          If this fits-take heed-if you ignore it and gamble that their is no God, creator, desgner and giver of life, I believe you will perish in your sins.
          God hopes  that you will reconsider as do I.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @ladypatriot I believe I said I questioned these prophesies…you believe as you will I as I will!

      • paxcat

        @DonaldLaFace  @ladypatriot The Judge is obligated to practice United States law in the United States and not blend in a little Sharia law.  Also, this “child” is actually not a “child” under U.S. law, she is an adult and as such can bring charges of assault, etc., but our legal system does not force her to do so.  And, if she was unwilling to bring charges, then that is always the “victim’s choice.”

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @ladypatriot Sharia Law is against the laws of more countries than not and certainly against almost all religions..First the family should not have tried to practice it ..but mostly this American judge should have thrown the book at the parents….Attempted murder is a crime!

    • Jane18

      @ladypatriot
       Yes lady, the arabs will be the losers. You need to know that Israel* means The House of Israel, all 12 tribes that make up that House(family). There are but two houses in the country of Israel, that is Judah and Benjamin, and they are at this time The House of Judah. The 10 Tribes(families) that are supposedly “lost”, they are called The House of Israel, because of the large number. You need to know where those 10 Tribes went when they were released by the Assyrian. Just to make a long story short, soooooooo many of thos families eventually came to this wonderful country, U.S.of A.. Remember this, All jewish people are israelites(the entire family), but allo israelites are Not Jewish! You haven’t forgotten that Israel was the name GOD gave Jacob, have you? The different tribes(families) were Jacob’s sons.

    • Evermyrtle

      @ladypatriot  Y0u are exactly right, Israel is GOD’S people
       
      Hosea 3:4-5
      4.”For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and with teraphim.:
      5. Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD THEIR GOD, and David their iing; and shall fear the LORD and HIS goodness
       
      Joel 2 27. And you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
      28. And it shall come to-pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your son and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions
      29. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will pour out my spirit.
      30. And I will show wonders in the heavens and the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke
      31. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before  the great and terrible of the LORD come.
      32. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance,as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call

    • DonaldLaFace

      @ladypatriot lets not talk about arabs losing but about bad people being punished,,all are not bad people..you appear to be condemming a culture!

  • drbhelthi

    The judges´s decision is a disgrace to jurisprudence, and the failure of Arizona to prosecute the guilty parents and sister in accordance with applicable law, is a disgrace to the United States of America.  That the Americans in Arizona do not file suit and demand a higher court review of the decision is a valid question.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @drbhelthi I fully agree ! very good!

  • ladypatriot

    I agree with you.  Many (30+) years ago I did go to the library and got a copy of the koran.  I read and saw parts about it being okay to beat the wife; that Israel did indeed belong to the Jews first, but the arabs judged Israel unworthy to be there; and that they could destroy other religions’ buildings (synagogues, churches…) ; that they want to annihilate Israel , driving her into the sea.  My wording may not be exact, but  I did read about those things.  I wonder how many muslims have read it and know about those things.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @ladypatriot Try the Tora and both bibles too you’ll get the education about religions you truly need!!…

      • Evermyrtle

        @DonaldLaFace  @ladypatriot I
        I believe that you need some education in the real things in life before you try to give advice. Your advice stinks.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @ladypatriot I say something wrong (Evermyrtle)…is it a sin to read the books of another god?…I liked it better when u quoted scripture!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @ladypatriot I do not think it would be a wise thing to do, but you can be forgiven of your sins, if you are really sorry for what you  have done and ask HIS forgiveness. He is a merciful,, loving GOD. We all are sinners and if we say we are not HIS WORD says we lie and the truth is not in us. I do know there are some that think they are not sinners but they are only fooling themselves. I will pray for HIM to hear you and that HE will bless you with understanding of HIS WORD.
           Myrtle

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @ladypatriot Dear Myrtle I know you mean well ..and are a good person..but I am who I am and believe as I do!!..I don’t believe in god or any religions!..I also try not to make it a big issue either unless pushed into it!

    • NavyJR

      @ladypatriot Those things and more are in the Quran; and much of it was adopted from the Torah, what Christians call the old testament of their bible.  But, and I may be wrong, I believe this all goes back to the longest running and most devastating domestic dispute in history; Abraham had 2 sons, and he pretty much screwed over the first on his wife’s say-so, to favor HER son; the first being by her handmaid, who also got screwed over in the deal and the hatred has been spewing over on the world ever since.

  • ladypatriot

    What is the name of the judge and in what city dd this occur?

  • Raymond 1

    This comes as no surprise.

  • DonaldLaFace

    The intelligent method?  grow up people!! religions are the evil that draws man to wars to follow their one true creator,,it replaced what exactly ?Paganism?!……and that prayer at the opening..what a waste of time and mind!..Mature already!..

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @DonaldLaFace So how do you rationalize the killing of 80 million who were ruled by atheist communist leaders?

      • DonaldLaFace

        @dntmkmecomoverther Communisism does not exist today or yesterday except in small enclaves,,I’m Socialist myself and don’t at all fit what Americans think we are….The Soviet Union ,Red China and several others used the term as the basis of their way of life..when in  reality they were and are Dictatorships,,How to control people ‘101’.(I was in Vietnam for 49 months and saw it up close and personnel)..working here as well..soon you’re going to see a big change..besides the Evangelist overtaking other religions in this country..we will soon witness the holy war to beat all holy wars ”when the Sunni go to war with the Shite’

    • Evermyrtle

      @DonaldLaFace 
       
      Psalms 53: 1 The fool hath said in his heart, “There is not GOD. They are corrupt, they have done abominable iniquity; the is none that doeth good.’
       
      Psalms 74:18 “Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that he foolish people have blasphemed thy name.
       
      Proverbs 26:4-5
      4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
      5. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Evermyrtle Typical..have no answer resort to scriptures…!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  I believe every word that I write, I promise that if I didn’t I would not write it.  It is nothing to me, if you believe it or not. My duty was to tell you and I did my duty.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle Great!!,,you did your duty!..we over now?…I say we bury that judge up to there neck in the AZ, sun and let ‘em bake a bit then sent papa mislim out for the same but add some maple syrup!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle I agree . He is as bad as the parents that abused their child. He is a criminal, too.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle Absolutely!!

  • paxcat

    DonaldLaFace:  No, it isn’t religion, it’s man’s nature!  Humility would go a long way in assisting you to view history without a biased lens.  What religion was Hitler, Stalin,  or any other dictator?  I seem to recall that they also loathed religion in all its forms.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @paxcat Episcapalion..christian.!.. Stalin a dictator,..Mankinds ways are well known but when you add one of it’s tools ..ie Religion….I taught college world history and for years and  this subject was touched on..often!…,my  biased lens took numerous years to create..i’ M 68 and for 50 years have been Atheist!/…I don’t loathe religion or people who practice it but this world would be a better place w/o it!

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat So your position is that the world would be a ‘better place’ without the USA…that’s incredible ‘professor’ but so typical of ‘professors’ whom I deal with.  The USA was posited by those who held to the faith of the Christian religion; by men who believed that our ‘rights come from God the Creator’.  If you don’t want to live under this, then you would enlist the faith of atheists who have ruled, like Mao, like Stalin who hated ‘religion’ and killed 80 million of his own.  Tell ya what ‘professor’, you choose the irreligious nation of your choice and I will personally pay your one way ticket there.  You will have to pay your own way back…if you so desire…and if you live long enough to carry out that desire.
         
        Beliefs (even atheists have them) have consequences…as does gross ignorance of reality.  The consequence of a belief in a Creator spawned the greatest nation on earth…I challenge you as an atheist to do better.

        • paxcat

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @DonaldLaFace Right on, don’t make me…!  And, Donald, in case you in your worldly history don’t know this, as an atheist, you actually do “believe” or else you’d have nothing to “believe” against!  Your freedom to utter your opinions have been preserved in our Constitution which our founders believed emanated from God.  You actually advocate for a “silence” of religious belief which is not “freedom!”  That is what dictatorships are all about and apparently, even though all the best dictators have been atheists, the modern atheists like yourself would continue the practice!
           
          Just because you were a “professor” does not make you smart!  One would think that at least you’d have learned that by now!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Somewhere in this escalating mess I wrote that I’m Atheist but don’t loathe religion nor those who partake..you should perhaps chat w/ your Professors ..but then the world does present us w/ different thinking people..If you have Professors than I trust you are still young..I didn’t become as I am because it’s the thing to do..I was born into a Catholic family only thankfully our parents were very intelligent and open -minded..no-one dissuaded me from being religious ,,I had too many questions that just could not be answered..and a good well educated albeit young mind of my own..,,Btw /I must have missed this alternate USA thing..because our founding fathers based this nation on religion says they made a poor choice..I fought in Vietnam for the rights of this country..joined!..not saying war is the answer to anything..either….you continue as you will,..By the way in writing our constitution  ‘and all man are created equal’ in the background the Whitehouse was being built by slaves!!…one of my all time favorites,,then there were the Mayans,Aztec,Incas!!…while being a Professors doesn’t necessarilly make me so smart As I’ve a pantyload of stupid moments,but I’m smarter and more wordly than you!!

        • Buckaroo

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           The fool has said in his heart their is no God.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Which fool exactly?there are millions of us who’ve reached that age of reasoning..as soon as god has a word with you..do let me know won’t you Buckaroo!!

        • Buckaroo

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           Let no man deceive himself. If any man thinketh that he is wise among you in this world, let him become a fool, that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He that taketh the wise in their craftiness: 20 and again, The Lord knoweth the reasonings of the wise that they are vain.
          1 Cor 3:18-20 (ASV)

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Any person and every person who will deny our GOD AND LORD JESUS CHRIST, AS LORD AND MASTER AND HIS SON are fools, and one day they all admit the truth but by that time it may be too late.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther created by man,..written by man to control man…one of these days you’ll get it..I’ve a lot of years playing this game…you hope to change my belief?? good luck!..the cosmos created me

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat You’re more wordly…and smarter than me…and yet you don’t know me; have never met me and have no idea of my age, background nor current occupation.  That makes my point of your delusion quite clear; you are not as smart as you claim; in fact by your deductions here so far, you have revealed quite an intellectual deficiency.  I need prove nothing more…you did that for me.  Thanks!
           
          BTW, you never accounted for the ‘reasonality’ of an atheist dictator killing 80 million of his own people…still waiting for that one.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @paxcat Think I was referring to paxcat or buckaroo.not used to this set up here where they keep adding names..sorry old hat if I offended you!..don

        • Buckaroo

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           The cosmos?  That is one world view, but Donald tell me what is the mechanism which turned none life into life?  All obsevable evidence shows that only life begets life. You can watch a rock or the cosmos forever (If it were possible) but all you would ever see  or have is none life. So tell me what is so rational and reasonable about believing a rock that has no life is your creator.
          And if you created yourself (the fool) well then you are better and smarter than me, Albeit  just like an ox I know who provides my needs. I know who created life as did our founding fathers as a whole, it was not the cosmos but our creator Almighty God!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @paxcat to dntm-verther..I did’t get into your last request as it was a subject changer,,ok as memory serves this shrinking mind,MAO was probably the worst,Joseph Stalin killed millions who didn’t think like him..Saddam Hussein did his share and he was religious,Muselini a good practicing catholic had a shitload of Italians killed for not thinking his way.Chinese Cultural Revolution caused many deaths!..you getting your info from a particular book?..I was firstly and mainly a Prof. of the Fine Arts ..Teacher of the Fine Arts,and to fill the gap taught world History and loved it all ,,my info comes mostly these days from what I remember..and as my collegues have told me is pretty good for ..hope that helped!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Well Buckaroo..you’re now taking us well off the track of the orig.post..we could sit and delve into the big bang theory until our skin falls off our bones,,there is no evidence one way or other where the cosmos or universe stemmed from..other than I can believe that something can come from nothing as I already believe that when I die ..I’ll return or be nothing where as you a believer is somewhat affraid of death being the final hoorah ‘so to speak..so therefore something must have been to create this !!…Their are a myriad of scholars both of religion and science banging their heads against the wall trying to figure it out……should humankind live so long to figure it all out!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther To Myrtle so tell me .how was that kool-aid you must have drank in gallons!!

        • Buckaroo

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           Thanks Donald I didn’t think you ccould give a rational answer to your prior post.
          The Bible is full of prophecies that have been told 100’s sometimes thoursand of years in advance. Statisticall these prophecies (history written in advance) would have been impossible to predict unless someone knew they would happen in advance, amazingly someone did, and they have  been fullfilled 100%. That is why God in the Bible says “I have told you these things before they come to pass so that when they do come to pass you will know I am God”.  So if you really have read the Bible you must have missed many many passages or you are just being willfully ignorant. As long as you have breath (which is a gift of God) there is hope for you. As God says:” repent why will you perrish”. One thing for certain after your last breath you will know and will be saved or damned.

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Actually it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be believe in a creator (supernatural or otherwise).  Much of the current “modern” science operates with circular logic – a implies b implies c implies a, as well as lot of blind faith that this or that is true and factual – even though no one has observed it. Or been able to prove it.  For instance – one species becoming another has never been observed or evidence found to imply it occurs.  That is why the tree of life is a bunch of unconnected blobs now.  When I was in elementary school it was an actual tree.
           
          At the root of geology and evolution is the idea that every thing operates at the same rate and always has.  And then fossils at the top of mountains are dated based upon the perceived time t took the mountains to form.  Then the mountains are, in the end, dated based upon the age of the fossils.  The book by Dr Walt Brown “In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood” is an interest read and covers in detail current scientific theories, their weaknesses and strengths – including his own hydroplate theory.  The book covers these issues in extreme detail and is well documented and cross-referenced.  I took around a month to fully read it and consider what it said.  Some chapters are available on line for review.

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther And, you have no idea to whom you are speaking/typing, actually!

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther  And, somewhere, you have confused being a Christian with being “perfect.”  None of us are that, I can assure you.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Actually ( somebody new! DLRJR) I did read quite a bit of both the old and new testaments ..the difference between you and I is that you tend to believe unquestioning in what is written where I had more questions,,no -one that I’ve heard of has shown me that any of these forethought prophesies have come true,..this is why we differ so much.9 to buckaroo).I’d appreciate it if you would retract the word fool describing me as I did not use such on you trying and succeeding in keeping this a level headed discussion..generally these days when I discuss w/ the much younger mind they revert to obseneties ,,,here most revert to scripture!…well seems more comments have come into view!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther …You’re correct!.This is my first time on this site and it’s very different from CD or Alternet etc..but I’m learning!

        • paxcat

          @DRLJR  @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther Yes, it does.  And, I’ve often had some of those thoughts as well.  Man is nothing if not a creative brain trying to make sense of where he lives, and he can and does come up with what appear to “logical” hypotheses.  I’ve always wondered how we know the names of the elements on the Atomic Chart is “correct?”  Or, is it just a labeling mechanism?  Do we really “know” anything at all?

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther  (PAXCAT) Oh I don’t confuse being religious w/ perfection nor atheism or even being human w/ perfection…

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther Check out Isaiah 9:10 by Jonathan Cahn and read his book The Harginer.  Both available on Amazon.  Isaiah 9:10 is a video. You might be stunned.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @DRLJR  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther ( DRLJR )Science wise what you say may be true but in becoming a non-believer has little to do w/ science except for those of the sciences..I began my questioning as a catholic child w/ a very inquisitive mind,,and over the years gave up on the idea of a place designated for worship until growing older finely and w/ much questioning and talking became a non-believer,,then went into the service for 6 years spending 49 months in war learning about life and death..etc..Science didn’t enter into any spiritual beliefs I didn’t have until my college years,,and later..

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @DRLJR  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther Well Paxcat since most of my colleagues are of the Mathmatics and Sciences I’d venture to say we humans know somethings..dealing w/ physics..but then physics changes constantly….look at the Higgs Boson for instance..nothing of has been proven in its use for 34 years although work is constantly being done w/ it!..the String theory ..we’re more disproving it then proving it….The names on the atomic chart are as ficticious as the names we give our planets.( yes labeling method).they serve to identify….we know their properties!…we sure as hell know about Global Climate Change)..and who the biggest contributers are but once again we’re going way off topic here!

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Except what you are missing is that it is used to deny even the possible existence of a creator.  If every thing happened by chance then nothing can be wrong or right.  Killing is okay, raping is okay, stealing is okay, lying is okay.  The “everything is relative” idea has permeated the education system since the utopian society “National Education Association” infiltrated the schools back in the 1900s.
           
          There is no moral foundation – everything is relative and therefore there are no absolutes.  This is why Socialism and its outgrowths are so dangerous.  It is why the Nazis (a left wing philosophy) could justify their actions as well as the Progressives in this country who used Blacks in medical experiments without their victims knowledge. It is why schools are being used as indoctrination centers instead of educating. It is why Stalin and Mao could kill so many of their people without a twinge of guilt. 
           
          But contrary to your implied claims you are person with a lot of faith.  After all it takes a lot of faith to believe everything happened by chance.  Especially considering the laws of entropy and chance.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           
          The end is coming and the time is coming when you shall confess to GOD that HE is GOD and that you are a lost sinner.
           
          Isiah 45: I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out o my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, “That unto me every knee shall bow , every tongue shall swear
          Romans 14:11 For it is written, as I live, saith the LORD, every knee shal bow t me, and every tongue will confess to GOD

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther i’m sorry to say you got ahold of the poison kool-ade  and GOD will tell you about. HE says that every knee shall bow to HIM and every knee will bow to HIM but if you do not make up your mind about who is before that time you will be playing around in hell with Satan. He has a place mad and reserved for HIS people You can find that scripture in Matthew 25:31-46. I dare you to read it!!!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther O’tay Evermyrtle

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @DRLJR  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther Global Climate Change?  Really?????  There are as many if not more scientists who disprove than prove.  But, if you own stock or an interest in trading of carbon credits, then I guess you’d be a believer or at least a beneficiary!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Myrtle quite frankly I never touch kool-aid prefer the green tea I make..,,by the way ahold is not a word!!…since we seem to be into correcting mispellings!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Who is in correcting of spelling.Ain’t me? I don’t care how you spell your words. If I can figure what you are talking about the is good enough for me.

        • Evermyrtle

          @paxcat  @DonaldLaFace  @DRLJR  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther Frankly I am not interested in what any scientist may say. I feel able to decide what I believe or not believe.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther The one who did isn’t in this group of names ..I just tossed it in because from 15 years of blogging once it starts it’s a dominoe effect

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @paxcat  @DRLJR  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther That’s cool!

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Folks, the nature of blogs is that words get misspelled and or words inadvertently dropped or added.  That is why it always important to try and proof read what it written.   And to be as succinct as possible when writing. And even professional proof readers miss things so people posting in blogs are going to do the same thing.  People need to understand it and make allowances.  Not doing so just makes the person replying look foolish – not matter how smart they are. 
           
          As for man-made global warming I was given permission to distribute this paper
           
          dlaster.com/DOCUMENTS/Global_Warming_Scam_distribute.pdf
           
          provided I met certain requirements.  It was written for the author’s cousin and never intended for general distribution.  Both were in their 70s at the time.  The author did not want people harassing him so I had to X out his name.  It is interesting reading.
           
          The other thing Christian need to remember, and often forget, is that their life, and that includes their words, are supposed to be a reflection of the surrender of their life to Christ.  Their life is supposed to be the “light on the hill” revealing God to others.  But Christians like all people are not perfect even though many non-Christians and Christians expect them to be. And thus many people judge the person instead of doing what they are supposed to do – judging the behavior people engage in.  That is the basis of all legal systems – judging behavior not the person.  God is the only one who can judge the person.
           
          The Calvinist believe in the concepts of the visible and invisible Church.  The visible Church is all those people who profess they are saved by Christ and the invisible Church who are those who are saved by Christ.  The two groups are not the same. 
           
          Just some notes based upon the many comments being made.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat Don, if I were you I would work a little on the dissertation of ‘How the Cosmos Created Me’ so that you have that down pat when you stand up in front of the One who actually DID create you…and He asks you for an accounting.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat Actually Stalin was the worst; and the best at covering the actual number of deaths.  We can account for over 20 million directly, and to date in the Soviet Bloc, over 80 Million dead.  I didn’t intend for this to be a subject changer; It was in the context of your point that religion was the cause of the problems in life.  My point is that with or without religion, we are a mess.  But, it is through faith in Christ that we can find hope and a will to live because He provides it.

        • dhmill

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           There are no atheists in a foxhole!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @paxcat We went more into why people were killed and the type of false ideas were orchestrated to get people to believe..look at Hitler for how he lied to his people so well and they fell for it;;the mood was right….Mao I believe had close to your number killed over years..to attain his goals,,and religion had little to do w/ this however religion is a tool used by those who’ll control and many many millions more across centuries were killed in the name of their god….the Aztec Nation,..what was left of the already dwindling Mayan Civilization..the Incas..look what the crusades did..look what the Persian Empire did before that!!  I’ve years of talking on this subject,,amongst get together’s of friends and colleagues,in classrooms..I’ve talked w/ priests and a few theologians in my years on this…you believe as you will for as long as you will I’ll believe as I do!!..good talking to you…

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Buckaroo  @paxcat I have no idea how I was created by the cosmos actually when I said me I was stating life in general..was created by whatever the cosmos is made of!!..but let us look at your take..when I stand..I take it in spirit form yes?in front of the one who did create me..which removes the cosmos and drops it down to ‘it and me’…and ‘HE”? asks for an accounting well if its god and all knowing it already knows and why ‘HE’? how about ‘HER’? or ‘IT’…..and if this diety created all from something what created it?…there’s that knudrum again!…I trust we’re leaving ‘Creationism’ out of this that’s just plain sillyness!

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther  @paxcat The crusades were a political response to the invasion of Islam into Europe.  People keep making it into a religious only event but in fact it was a political response to try and free formally Christian/Jewish/Pagan areas from the Islamic invaders.  This includes the Middle East and North Africa.  People forget that Islam invade Europe the first time through Spain.  And in the 1500s or so finally managed to destroy Byzantine Empire (now called Turkey).

        • JuneGagnon

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat These “progressive/liberal/atheist/commies” never cease to amaze me – -they hate the USA, our Founders and all we stand for, so why do they even stay here, except to try to “brainwash” our children and convert them to their own “evil”.  I will join you and furnish another one-way ticket for any “progressive/liberal/atheist/commie” who want to go with  him!  And “good riddance” to their poisonous presence!

        • Jane18

          @DonaldLaFace  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           Donald, what is “wordly”? Did you mean “worLdly”? If you did, oh yeah, you are indeed more worldly than the most of us!!

        • Jane18

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther
           “Which fool exactly?” THE fool that says it!!!!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Well Dah!  guess you were listening that moment in class..Religion gives people a strong but false hope its a glue that keeps people together ,,it works well as a control to some and not so to others therefore we have our non-religious leader controllers who need to break that cohesion in order to gain control…life isn’t simple there’s so much to it and I’m no fool who feels Atheists are all goody two-shoes,,but Atheism isn’t brainwashing where where religion is..I’ve 2 younger sisters one an Atheist even before I became the other as my wife also believe in a creator of all life,,an entity..they call themselves Spiritulists!..scriptures, bibles, mans doing!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther //Man you conservatives sure are religious zealots aren’t you..plying my way through looking for a voice of reason..have found but few!!..This article was what drew me in sent over to me by my wife..soon turned into..a religious blog..I went over to several other choices only to find the same thing,,..I’ve read more of hate and death on this site than anywhere else Truly!..and for this peace loving god> most of you argue about how things really were!..can’t even get that straight..but then nothings carved in stone except those 10 commandments!

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @Buckaroo  @dntmkmecomoverther If “cosmos created you,” how did the cosmos do that exactly?

        • DonaldLaFace

          @DRLJR  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther I’ll agree it takes more knowledge of religion to be an Atheist than not..I’ve studied it over years quite a bit looking for answers to my questions and they’re basic questions..”you have to have faith” was the pat reply…no! ‘I gotta have an answer”

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Jane18  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther yes!

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @Buckaroo  @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Or, like many Liberals/Leftist, having gotten an answer that does not agree with your perception or desires, so you reject the answer. 
           
          Liberals do this all the time.  A program continually fails in its stated purpose and Liberals refuse to accept the failure and throw more money and resources at the program and get the same response. Or when the evidence is staring them in the face they refuse to see it and reject it because it requires them to change their position and approach to life.  As some
           
          Yet when a Conservative changes one mind when facing the same circumstances or facts they are accused by Liberals of flip-flopping.  So they question is “Have you really searched and honestly looked for answers or have you rejected the answers because they require you to change your life and views?”

  • DonaldLaFace

    Yep! no surprise! we’re getting dummer and dummer!..especially those who lead us..into oblivion!…and the legal system!!>>??? what a joke..some people aren’t cut out to be judges…I’m sure god will fix it,,,hmmmm but who’s god their are so many one true gods out there!

  • gfca

    Who was the judge?

  • ladypatriot

    When I speak of “Israel” I speak of the name of the Nation of which she is known. Israel is Judah, Simeon and Benjamin.  I appreciate, though, that you explained it for those who are unaware.  Imagine the world if everyone knew their lineage and history.

    • Jane18

      @ladypatriot
       Simeon is Not included in the two families of Judah and Benjamin. And yes wouldn’t it be something if people really knew who their ancestors were………………………………

  • DonaldLaFace

    Think I stumbled across the first blog site where everyone is a devout believer in god the creator…I’m perplexed though..which god would that be ? the one christians pray to, or the Islamist god who they pray to….quite a knudron…isn’t there supposed to be only one true god??…hmmmmm! …..ciao!

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @DonaldLaFace If you are truly looking for our statement of faith here it is:
      We believe in the One True God who has revealed Himself in the Trinity: Father who is the Creator, Jesus Christ the Son who is the Redeemer, and the Holy Spirit who brings us to this faith and sustains us unto death and even then, through death to eternal life in Heaven.
      Unlike any other faith, Christianity has God who comes TO US, not US climbing or attaining to Him;
       
      Christianity confesses our sinful nature from the beginning in the Garden, a sinfulness that all humans inherit at birth.  Christianity also confesses the cure for that sinfulness in the redemption offered freely by Jesus’ death on the cross at Calvary.  After 3 days, Jesus rose from the dead, just as he said He would (this was witnessed by over 500 people; even today, such a number of eyewitnesses to an event are rare).
       
      We also believe that we are saved by grace, through faith; not by any works we do; although by faith, we do good works which pleases God and helps our neighbor; and in doing so we attempt to provide the example that Jesus gives in Matthew 22:38: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength; and love your neighbor as yourself.
       
      With this said, we also fully realize that we fall short of this calling daily; and we come to God in repentance and sorrow.  Forgiveness is promised to the penitent who by faith call on Jesus.
       
      The prayed for goal in Christianity is to hold onto this faith unto death; and even in the face of certain death brought by our enemies…so that our faith endures to eternal life.
       
      Keep in mind, we believe this by faith, not sight…it if were optical, it would not be faith would it?  Faith comes in the hearing of God’s Word (Romans 10:15-17).  Those who believe and are baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
       
      That said, we are still human and subject to the whims and desires of this world by which can lead us astray/deceive us.  God help us.
       
      Islam is a different ideology which has manifest problems; too many to even begin to enlist here.

      • Randy Odegaard

        @dntmkmecomoverther  @DonaldLaFace Very nice, very good statements from you Donald, I really liked what you said as what you said is my beliefs also. I pray for these people, even though what they’ve done and the so-called punishment they received had me angry and wanting to say bad things and to do bad things.  I may have said some things that would possibly be contrary to my beliefs but I do repent of my words because the words come from a human mouth and mind and can be redeemed if done with faith and belief in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  In the end, the punishment these people probably deserve is not up to us but to the Lord Almighty on Judgement day.  I pray these people come to realize that what they’ve done and their beliefs need to change so they can be saved along with the rest of believers.  Keep spreading the Good News brother as I will in my own insignificant way and hope there are people out there who will listen and begin to think about their ways of life and doing things.  Thank you.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @dntmkmecomoverther Think you misunderstand me completely ..read everthing I talk about to the various who speak w/ me…You are looking for your statements of faith..you! all those devout believers ..I the Atheist am not I’m quite content w/ my beliefs on the subject!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @DonaldLaFace Are you serious or are you only using this as an excuse to ridicule  those who are different from you?. Christians and I am referring to real Christian do not ridicule. If we want to know we just ask the question We do not feel it is necessary to use ridicule. By the way our GOD is the Creator and He promises that Every person will meet HIM face to face sooner or later
      and that means you, too.
       
      ! Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly, but hen face to face: now I know in part: but then shall I knwo even as I am known

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Evermyrtle Right!  real christians don’t ridecule!..and you were born when? recently?

    • Ray Downen

      @DonaldLaFace The moon god Allah is a figment of imagination. The Creator God has revealed Himself through particular individuals about whom we read in the Bible. He is the only living God. Many have created gods in their imaginations, but this God both created humans and has revealed Himself through humans, by signs that could not be done except by the living God. Mohammed was a wise leader of armies, but the god he said he served has no power at all and does not inspire anyone to give life or happiness to others. Mohammed’s ideal was 72 virgins at his beck and call, so he said Allah would offer that to anyone who would do despicable deeds for him like murdering non-believers. God showed His power through many miracles performed by His unique Son Jesus and then through returning Jesus to life after he was seen to have been killed very publicly and very thoroughly. Continuing miracles enabled His apostles to begin the church that continues to this day serving and loving Jesus and all who are loved by Him. Did you imagine the world just happened to happen? No creator? It just one day was here and the sun was out there and a moon and stars. Just happened to come about with no cause, no creator? Strange thinking, I’d say.

  • virginiagal

    White parents can’t even spank their children without fear of CPS taking them away.

  • unclebarry

    I am OUTRAGED! This is crazy.  Forget about the local police or child protective services—where is the Arizona Attorney General?  He’s right when he says what if this were someone’s gay or lesbian son or daughter.  We would hear about this from coast to coast. Definitely top national news.  So what happened here?  Governor Brewer should look into this. Seriously.

  • PEN333DO

    OBAMA’S DAUGHTERS SHOULD VERY CONCERNED AS THEY GET A LITTLE OLDER.  HE WOULD LIKE NOTHING BETTER THAN FOLLOW THE SHARIA LAWS.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @PEN333DO More Gop Tea party BS from the conservative camp? you’re too stupid to talk so don’t!…Why don’t we try to live as one country of people instead of being divided..your comment disgusts me almost as must as the article read on what happened in AZ..hmmmm!..A predominantly conservative state no less!!…W/ a Govenor who should step in and do something but so far….?

      • paxcat

        @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Gov ‘s have NO legal authority to step in and change a Judge’s opinion, good or bad.  Our legal system has a way to appeal a Judge’s decision.  The fact that Brewer is conservative has NOTHING to do with the legal opinions given by various judges as some are elected, some appointed, some federal, some state and some local.  Also, since you wouldn’t know this, the GOP and the Tea Party are not one and the same!  Why do atheists tend to be big gov’t control types like Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Iran’s dictator or many of the African dictator’s?

        • DRLJR

          @paxcat  @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO It is because they want control and glory.  Much of what we see today can be traced back to the philosophy that came out of the French Revolution.  The idea of “Supremacy of the State” and fiat rule of those in control of the State seems to have in large part originated there.  Which was contrary to the concept of the supremacy of the people espoused in the American revolution.  This is unlike Monarchies in which the rules still answered to privy counsels and Lords – even when the Monarchy was absolute.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @PEN333DO I’ve seen a rutkus raised sending messages to change the situation!..in reply to the rest of the questions..not all Atheists groups are created alike..a given dictatorship using Communism as the new way cannot be what holds people together..I personally don’t like too big and inefficient goverments though I do believe they’re much better at doing their job than the non-caring Corporation!..I do know that the GOP and Tea Party are not one in the same..but do you?..Idi Amin Dada was religious believe he was Catholic of sorts..Hussein was Muslim.,Hitler was Episcopalean..MAO AND Stalin were meglomaniacs….you’ve a lot to learn paxcat!!..Atheists don’t tend to be any of these!..the Crusades was a Gov, thing supposedly non-religious yet it dealt w/ religions ..therefore it took on the personna of being a religious war..and they did answer to the Cardinals!..It’s how things are viewed through the looking glass”so to speak’!

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO “non-caring Corporations?”  You do mean the ones who began as small businesses and grew and provided lots of jobs and products/services that helped a nation succeed?  When an individual has a personal stake in the game, then it matters a whole lot more what the outcome will be.  Have you visited a post office in the past 20 years?  Ever notice that the employees take breaks like clock work regardless of the number of customers in line?  Is that how gov’t shows its “care” for all the money paid by those same customers both in purchases and taxes? 
           
          And, as far as the religions of various dictators, they can say anything or have come from a family who said they were this or that religion, but that doesn’t make any difference at all to their religion of self, so I guess, religion can’t really “rule over people” after all, can it?  That must mean there is more to it than you give it credit for.
           
          And, yes, Donald, I do know the difference between the Tea Party and the GOP, but since you painted them together, you must be the one who does not.

        • Evermyrtle

          @paxcat  @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Never in my life have I had to wait at any post office while workers took a break. I have always found PO workers very courteous!!!

        • paxcat

          @Evermyrtle  @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Really?  When I started and built up my private packing and shipping business, I went to the PO about every other day and most often, one of them was putting his/her sign up that the window was closed.  I even had just bought stamps there, and the worker asked me to stand there a minute longer so he could put up the sign and disappear behind the wall because the line was very long as it was pre-Christmas shipping time.  It still happens when I go to my local post office which isn’t huge!

        • paxcat

          @Evermyrtle  @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Oh, and don’t forget they just lost over $150 billion dollars but saw fit to give the executive staff raises!

        • Evermyrtle

          @paxcat  @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Maybe because I have only had to use very small Post offices where the crowd were not large and few in lline.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @paxcat  @PEN333DO Post office isn’t gov run anymore!!…I use the USPS all the time in our Online business and ebay store!!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO We’re in business as well best to locate an independent shipper ..they give you a much better choice of shipping plus you’re helping a local business..cheaper too..and human!…you’re a person!

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO Well, you’d be wrong about that.  They are partially privatized but not enough to be that “unfeeling corporation” who actually can pay its own expenses without tax payer money and still make a profit!  Online usps hardly puts you into a physical line does it, so what’s your point?

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO Then try the other route I suggested..I’m trying to be helpful..you remain antagonistic..so be it!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO I believe you fully missed what I was saying ..i use numerous methods to ship our art and products,,we use an independent mailing service..they call you by name!

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO Donald, what you actually typed was, “I use usps for our…”  USPS stands for United States Postal Service which is what we were talking about.  UPS is United Parcel Service – a private shipping company along with Fed Ex and a few others.  Since I built a private packaging and shipping business from 0 to close to a million dollars with only 5% margins, I do know something about shipping whether government run or otherwise.  I doubt you use an independent “mailing” service as 99.9% of all “mail” is carried by the United States Postal Service (usps, for short).  Minimum UPS charge couldn’t compete for sending a letter to the other side of the U.S.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO I stand corrected then you already own and operate where we would go and send out our parcels to buyers..We used to do everyhing from our previous residence w.USPS flat rate but found we were overspending…..we’re supplementing our retirement..due to losses ,concrats on your business! and to you!….we use USPS. UPS ground ,and Fed-X …through our shipper..anything overseas goes USPS..

        • Ray Downen

          @Evermyrtle  I worked for six years as a postal clerk (railway mail) but I have noticed that when break time comes desk clerks need to step away from their work until the break time is concluded. That’s regardless of how many are waiting to be served. Union rules, you know. Indeed, I’ve never run across a postal clerk who was not courteous, just as you say. But when the clock says they must quit, they MUST quit.

        • Ray Downen

          @Evermyrtle  You may have explained it indeed! Many of us live in larger cities and I seldom go now for service without having to wait several minutes while others ahead of me are helped.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO Send a package to New Zealand from NJ..It gets there faster through USPS and wayyyyy cheaper than any other!…I’d stick w/ trying to keep it going..no matter what it takes!

      • Evermyrtle

        @DonaldLaFace  @PEN333DO Very insecure people are always calling others “stupid, Ignorant” and other ugly things to help them feel superior

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO plus they attack another’s spelling and diction while their own is in question…

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @PEN333DO Actually you have no idea what you’re talking about..Hitler made a lot of stupid moves in his attempted conquest of the world …does this make me an insecure or knowlegeable person?!

  • dhmill

    Well, that didn’t work. I’ll try direct comment.
     
    Many atheists are well educated and are able to write well So I’ll simply say this, when push comes to shove, there are no atheists in a foxhole when the shells are coming down all around you.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @dhmill AH!  i spent 6 years in the service in the 1960’s after HS,,of that 6 year stint I spent 49 wonderfull months in Vietnam living in or on any friggin thing I could find,,I became a fully fledged Atheist at 18 before graduating HS..I met other Non-believers such as myself whilst in the service,,if you’ve never been in the service in a war  than you know shit about it..yes yes! it’s a popular saying..have fun w/ it!!

      • Ray Downen

        @DonaldLaFace  It appears that people who don’t love God have dirty thoughts which lead them to use vocabulary in polite society which is not appropriate for polite society. If you insist on joining our conversation, please clean up your act. Leave the dirty language for your friends.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen I used no foul language at all in regards to you, anyone else or your beliefs,,you are as I know your type to be you fit the stereotype exactly!!…now to continue on as resently promised..gods and religions are a superstition to scare people ..they cause more bad then good!!!  perhaps you should all agree to change this sites name from LAST RESISTANCE TO GODS PLACE! then those seeking good discourse w/ others will know to simply steer clear of this ugly place..’Most’ not all’ of you here are just flat out nuts!!

    • NavyJR

      @dhmill The REAL truth is that. although many CLAIM to be atheists, there  is no such critter; I don’t know what Mr LaFace’s deity IS, but we humans are “hardwired” to have SOME person, thing, ideal or whatever in that place; it may be self, as in Obama’s case, wealth, power, youth, science, the State, I don’t know, the possibilities are as endless as there are human beings, and very often the ones who call themselves “atheists” wouldn’t acknowledge what that thing is even if they were aware, but that’s how we humans are “hardwired”, so you can bet money there IS something that fills that place in his life.!

      • DonaldLaFace

        @NavyJR  @dhmill I have no diety NAVY JR..and am a human and served in wartime and became a Professor of the FIne arts and World History and enjoyed it.and have been an anti-war activist plus for decades and survived cancer and am retired and still damn happy to still be what you don’t believe exists..I’ve heard a lot,,but that take is new!!..when I was in Vietnam I worked mostly alone….not hardwired for something to be there..if anything humans are hardwired to be dangerous..it is true we’re pack animals but many do quite well alone..my life partner fills a gap..my art fills another gap..I have friends….next time don’t go 3rd person ..its rude!…what fills your gap is what exactly?..you really don’t know but depend on faith that it is there,,are you affraid of death?and that being it!..That’s the difference.,.I don’t pretend to have the answers you do!…good luck w/ that

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace  As I said, wouldn’t acknowledge it if you did know; and I don’t know what yours IS, I happen to be a Deist, and mu Creator is that for me.  Since I studied nursing and then also psychology, I have a better grasp on that than you appear to believe, which is your prerogative.  But you are “hardwired” genetically as are all humans, to have that place in you that must be filled by something, whether you know yourself what it is or not..

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR Well having received a PhD. and 2 masters,,Psycology reared its ugly head in my life somewhere..trust me I know of what you’re saying but does this mean that out of the blue ,whilst facing death my Catholic beginnin g will pop back into my life..? humans are ‘hardwired’ for numerous things we also have the ability to think for ourselves!..hardwired does not mean it can’t be altered..that we ourselves who know what we are cannot make a concious change,..I won’t insult you w./any suggestions I’ll let you figure it out!

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace Not at all; I didn’t say it was Catholic, or any “God” most organized religions would recognize as a deity.  In fact, it’s likely to be something far from that, but whatever it is; you have it.  You’re mixing soft wired with hard wired; and what’s soft wired we can change.  Hard wired is what your GENES determine.  And THAT you CAN’T change.  I begin to suspect in your case it might be intellect, but that’s far from a certainty at this point.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR Then you really don’t know! do you know what you are hardwired to be or do?..How did you come by this knowledge?  do you believe it to be true or surmized?…I’ve often wandered why doing all the not so nice things I did in my time at war,,that I didn’t come out w/ problems..I don’t have bad dreams about it..I was never really for it..but did as ordered!..We both know and understand the hard and soft wiring of our being we know of the human gnome but do we all or both believe in it?///I don’t in all cases!

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace I know the hard wiring is what it IS in the human genome.  And it’s not surmised.   Some people are better able to handle violence and outrages than others; that’s most likely how you got through without having problems, or others compartmentalize and are able to “shut away” parts of their past lives, so that those don’t trouble them, men are particularly good at this defense mechanism.  Without KNOWING you specifically there are many things I can only conjecture; but there are some things COMMON to ALL humans; that are hard wired into us; such as the provision of a heart to pump our blood; and without that we don’t live.  So too, is the need for some thing whether it IS a deity, or something else that fills that place in our lives.  You’re free to continue denying all you like; but that is the hard wiring you were born with, unless you’re of some other, non-human species, in which case I’d LOVE to write it up for some journals…

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR Nope unfortunately i’m just your basic human being!..lets say my hardwiring was to question? to think!..I was an excellent student in my young years had well educated parents and certainly no shortage of added education.good IQ..spoke fluent French.traveled a lot ,,very outgoing..learned to speak a needed language quickly during my 26-30 week training schedule after boot camp..then off to the big ugly…..still interesting talking w/ you..

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace It’s not a “bad” thing; simply a fact of how we’re ALL constructed.  Nice chatting with you also.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR Wasn’t saying it was a bad thing ,,other than the ‘big ugly’ you’d have had to be in it to know..its the hardwiring..or type of..

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace Sir, please don’t project YOUR need to be right on me.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR Are you bi-polar or someting?…didn’t know I was!

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace Your need to be right and projection thereof has nothing to do with either being “bipolar or something”.  For someone so allegedly educated, you surely don’t come across that way.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @NavyJR I’m very laid back .down to earth opposed to the usual pompuss ass Prof..type you might be used to….your comment threw me..I’m finding a lot of troubled minds on this sight..and that is upsetting…

        • NavyJR

          @DonaldLaFace Actually, none of my professors came across that way, although a few of my teachers in HS did.  I did have problems relating to a dysfunctional childhood and got the appropriate therapy DECADES ago for that.  But I gained a fascination for comprehending how people tick and studied the subject, on my own.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonaldLaFace  There is a God. This solar system couldn’t exist without having been created on purpose by a powerful and super-intelligent force. We think it is the God of the Bible who has revealed Himself to some through the years. Of necessity we’re sorry for anyone who imagines that the world just happened to happen with no Creator. God offers eternal life to humans who choose to serve Him. Others will wish they had never been born, but that’s their choice. No compulsion. Free. Either to live or to die. The way to life is taught by Jesus of Nazareth. His story is found in the New Testament writings in the Bible. The offer of life is told about in the history of the early church in the Bible book of Acts, with later books speaking to how Jesus wants His believers to live while on earth. It’s not luck that will save anyone. It’s by choice.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen There is no god and the”Universe” came about without one just fine..the fact that you use ‘solar system’ tells me for some reason you have created a limitation or simply don’t know….god offers no eternal life as god doesn’t exist!!..like me better this way?Others will wish they’d never been born ,but that’s their choice..nope! it ain’t we had no choice !!  Jesus was a prophet that’s it !!    Quite frankly Ray you make me laugh..!You’re just too much!…you a creationist as well?…I equate you with an Islamic fundamentalist..each nuts in their own way..and they always have to be right!

    • James Maxwell

      @dhmill
       Some individuals I served with in Viet Nam claimed to be atheist or agnostics.  It was quited intestine
      though that when the rockets started falling or we came under attack how you could head a change
      in thier voice and who they called upon to protect and save them.   GOD suddenly became their
      most favorite person.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @James Maxwell  @dhmill Then they weren’t real..but fakes..I went in an atheist and years later came out one Am 68 now survived Cancer as an atheist..suffering chronic asthma as one,,

        • James Maxwell

          @DonaldLaFace  @dhmill
           Two years in Nam, Asthma, diabitis  and a lot of nightmares even now that
          I am 70   I am a Christian and try to follow the tenants of my belifs.  If you
          chose to do other wise that is your personal choice and I will not try to
          force your are any other to conform.  During my career I have known people
          of various faiths.  They have their beliefs and I have mine.  Many times we
          have sat down and discussed out various belifs.   For the most part we remained civil and friendly.  Bottom line we agreeded to disagree and still
          be friend who could count on each other when the pool hit the fan.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @James Maxwell  @dhmill …Good Comment JAMES!

        • Evermyrtle

          @James Maxwell  @DonaldLaFace  @dhmill 
          the reason we have so many different denominations, is because we want to twist the Scriptures which list the does and the do nots to suit ourselves. This will not work! When he said, ” Thou shall not murder” that is what HE meant. When HE said “Though shall not commit adultery, that is what HE meant.  Another, “Thou shall not take the name of the LORD your GOD in vain. How about “Remember the Sabbath t keep it holy
           
          Hebrews 4: 4-11
            4. For HE spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,”And GOD  did rest the seventh day fro all HIS works.”
           5. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
           6. Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
           7. Again, HE limited a certain day, saying in David, “Today, after so long a time: as it is said, harden not your hearts.
           8. For if JESUS had spoken them rest, then would HE not afterward have spoken to another day.
           9. There remains therefore a rest to the people of GOD
          10. For he that  is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as GOD from HIS
          11. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the
          same example of unbelief
           
          Matt10:36-40
          36. Master which is the great commandment in the law?
          37. JESUS said unto him, Thou shall love the LORE THY GOD with  all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
          38. This is the first and great commandment.
          39. And the second is like unto it, Thous shall love thy neighbor as yourself.
          40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

  • Randy Odegaard

    To KentPerry:  I believe you need to read Genesis chapters25-29, then chapters 29-34 if that’s what you believe.  The Jewish nation arose from one of Isaac sons, Jacob and Esau.  Esau sold his birthright to Jacob because Esau despised his birthright.  I don’t know what Bible you have been reading but you are seriously messed up in your thinking about where the Jewish nation came from and that Jesus was not a Jew, He most certainly was a Jew but in all fact and actuality He was God taking on human form to receive the punishment for the worlds sin so that whosoever believes on Him shall have everlasting life and forgiveness of their sins.

    • NavyJR

      @Randy Odegaard Nope, Esau “sold ” his birthright to Jacob, because Jacob TRICKED him, with Rebekah’s help.  And they tricked Isaac as well.    That whole clan was one major DYSFUNCTION!   Do you know what Jacob means; the name, I mean?  It means “SUPPLANTER” and that isn’t a kindly meaning..

      • Jane18

        @NavyJR  @Randy Odegaard
         No, that is not correct NavyJR. Esau came in “starving ” to death, and because he did not care about GOD and his own  heritage, he “sold” his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of sou/mush! Yes, Rebekah came up with the idea of fooling isaac, but, she had been told by God who would lead who of her sons! You know that’s what is wrong with people today, they do not know how to read with understanding. Plus, there are not very good pastors today that know The Word as they should. Do you know that when these wannabe pastors aretold in school, they are told to not teach over a 4th grade level? That goes to show you that church members are not thought too much of.

        • James Maxwell

          @Jane18  @NavyJR  @Randy Odegaard
           Also in the Military when you write tech orders or orders you have to also watch the grade level you write them at.   But they are generally written at the 9th
          grade level.   Many people have a tendency to write above the comprehension
          level of the people they are trying to reach.   But the word of GOD should not
          be change, you might have to explain it at a lower grade level depending upon
          your audience.

        • NavyJR

          @Jane18  Honey, WHEN you’re hungry, REALLY hungry; as Esau is shown to have been, NOTHING else matters at that moment BUT food; it’s a basic survival instinct, and both Jacob and Rebekah PLAYED on that, as is also HUMAN nature!  Don’t try to make anything “pure and noble ” about what they did, or anything “evil” about how Esau acted.  It’s not there!

        • Jane18

          @NavyJR
           Now think about this Navy, how many times have we came in and said “I’m starving to death”? And you know we were not starving, just a little hungry. Maybe it wasn’t a “pure and noble” thing that Rebekah and Jacob did in our eyes, but, Rebehah knew what GOD had told her, and she was only doing as she was lead to do. I believe in the military that is called a covert action! Go back and read about Esau, he only cared for himself and his Daddy, he didn’t even ask GOD for help, only his Daddy. Do you know that the land Esau went to is today the land we call Russia? Just look at how much they look like us as Caucasians, that’s one clue. You know that Russia has always been jealous of us, America. I’d even go farther and say that they hate us, they are still #2 as far as being a strong country, behind us………………………..

        • NavyJR

          @Jane18 I see an immensely DYSFUNCTIONAL family the overflow of which we’re STILL suffering from, globally; and what Rebekah did as a mother, was choose one child over another; whether Esau was actually “starving” or not; and what his relationship with his Creator was matters LITTLE in truth; that family beginning with Abraham is the source of SO much trouble  in our world; and Rebekah only served to exacerbate it!  She doesn’t get a pass in my book!

        • Ray Downen

          @NavyJR  God blessed Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants. The world is far better because of the Jews who were descended from this family. I’m glad you’re not eligible to judge the Jewish race or anyone.

        • Ray Downen

          @NavyJR  You weren’t there but you know all about it, you say. I wasn’t there either but I believe what the Bible says and it doesn’t say that any pressure was put on Esau to make the choice he made. He was hungry. He thought little about the blessing. So he ate.

        • Ray Downen

          @NavyJR  You say there was nothing wrong with what Esau did? But he thought more about his hunger than about his heritage. And you say we mustn’t think badly about him. It was all Jacob’s fault. Poor Esau. A victim. Innocent. No fault at all. You haven’t understood the history at all, it seems.

      • Ray Downen

        @NavyJR  Randy, Esau chose food rather than his birthright. He was not tricked in any way prior to making the choice. The trickery came later when their father was told he was giving Esau a blessing but it was Jacob receiving it. And Jacob was indeed blessed as his father passed on the blessing. Esau was in no way tricked. He was offered a choice and he took it.

  • DonaldLaFace

    I sent an email to CNN….MSNBC AND Faux er Fox NEWS and went over this article which I’m sure they know of and because so many still get their news from these oulets I made it a point to let each know they’re not doing enough to get something done about this mess!!Sharia Law in America”?..If I could write Obama I would ..tried that once got a nice form letter back!..I’m from Jersey not AZ, so writing their no goodnick Gov,won’t be worth sqat!

    • oldgringo

      @DonaldLaFace Nothing will come of it….We now have muslim activist judges who will insure Sharia Law will be recognized throughout the land…..Obama will sign it into law….And freedom from injury or death by islamic law will be tossed out the window!…..”When will They ever Learn”?….Peter, Paul and Mary.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @oldgringo Oh please don’t say that!!..I really don’t disliking those who migrate here for a better chance at life just leave the tabboos where they came from..!

        • Ray Downen

          @DonaldLaFace  We welcome immigrants who come here “for a better chance at life.” These of course learn the laws of this land and agree to submit to those laws. They learn English and speak it. They wait to come until they can come legally, and our laws should be far more welcoming than they now are.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen I’m for legal immigration as our country is of all immigrants I do not like illegal immigration..I can sympathize w/ their needs but can’t condone..there have to be certain rules in a society..or it runs amok!

  • char51

    well this what you get. and its coming to your naborhood . then it will be all around, you voted for it now you women will live with it.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @char51 Nope not this bird!

  • Jane18

    This is to Donald—-No, I am Not a Jehovah’s Witness!! I am a CHRISTian, and that is it! Religions and religious denominations are divisions, I do not go by any manmade religion, I Try to be as close to CHRIST as I can, which is hard to do.  HE was perfect, and I-we, are a long way from perfect.

    • DennyB

      @Jane18
       I also am a Christain. I also shy away from all te major denominations, which are man made. I attend a none-denominational church. I ask the Holy spirit to guide me when I read the bible, to teach me. I have read the NewTesyament five times, and learned something different each time. I have been striving to put on the total armour of the Lord, as decribed in Ephesians Chapter 6, verses 11-17. That takes a lifetime and then some. But I have been sriving for this over 30 years now. I is never to late to start. I would sugest you read he Lords words yourself. Ask the holy Spirit to guide and teach you.

      • Ray Downen

        @DennyB  You say a person should “ask the Holy Spirit to guide and teach.” You have read the New Testament books five times. Please point us to any passage in any of those books where anyone every prayed to the Holy Spirit or was told to do so. When Jesus was asked by his apostles that He teach them to pray, Jesus said they should pray to “our Father who is in Heaven.” Later Jesus spoke of praying and said that if his hearers asked anything in HIS name, it would be granted. I’m aware of those teachings, but don’t know of any mention in apostolic writings of any prayer to the Holy Spirit at any time for anything the person might need. What passage did you have in mind?

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @DennyB You are correct. I do not believe  there is any mention of praying to the Holy Spirit. I have read the New Testament many times. I am just about to finish it up once  again.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen  @DennyB  Well, this might depend on how you say ‘who God is’.  If you hold to a Trinitarian confession, then Father Son and Holy Spirit or ‘of the same substance’ (homoisios).  In that context, praying to the Father is as praying to the Son as is praying to the Holy Spirit. 
          Consider these passages:
          Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
           
          Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
           
          In the context of the roles of the Godhead, the Father is Creator, the Son is Redeemer and the Holy Spirit is the sanctifier (theological term which means ‘allows us to believe by faith;  to live that faith in Christ).  So, in essence we would not pray to the Holy Spirit; since it is the Holy Spirit which lives within us which allows us to trust in our prayer being heard by God.
           
          For a little fun, try to locate the Holy Spirit in the OT…He’s there too.

        • DennyB

          @Ray Downen
           Who do you think the Holy Spirit is? he way I ray is in his name like he isructed us to do. I ask him to send the Holy Spirit to guide and teach me.

        • Evermyrtle

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Ray Downen  Actually the THREE  are ONE and ONES IS THREE In one respect, when we talk to one it is the same as talking to them all. BUT that is not what is being said here, what is being said, is “There is no Scripture which says that anyone prayed directly to the HOLY SPIRIT.
           
          In a vague way but similar, at the same time, my husband and I were one but if someone spoke and said Reed let me ask you something………….I thought they meant the question for him not me. We are only saying there is no place in the WORD OF GOD THAT STATES THAT SOMEONE WAS SPEAKING INDIVIDUALLY AND DIRECTLY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT I only try to make what I write to help people to see more clearly  and with the truth. I do not aim to confuse and what you are saying can very well be confusing to someone that does not know  know HIS WORD..

        • Ray Downen

          @Evermyrtle  Your intention is commendable. Good for you. John makes clear in John 1:1,2,14 that Jesus on earth is God’s Word in Heaven. Jesus taught that prayer should be addressed to the Father rather than Himself or the Spirit. He further suggested that whatever we asked “in His name” would be granted. He didn’t say we should pray to Him but instead we should pray THROUGH Him. And there’s no implication in any Bible book that anyone should ever pray to the Spirit of God. Yes they are three in one, but they are also individuals. If anyone misunderstands what I’ve written, I think that’s not my fault. I write clearly. Yes?

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle “If anyone misunderstands what I’ve written, I think that’s not my fault. I write clearly. Yes?”  Well, Ray, a much better theologian than you and I has written that,  “No one can so clearly autograph his thoughts and doctrines, so that they could not be misunderstood”.  Phillip Melanchton. 
           
          Have a wonderful Thanksgiving; you too Evermyrtle

        • DRLJR

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle Actually, the best way I find to describe the Trinity is to describe a married man or woman with children.  The one person is a husband/wife, father/mother, and a son/daughter.  Three different people or roles in one person.  God is like that.  While a human can not operate the roles independently God is capable of having the individual roles operate separately.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DRLJR  @dntmkmecomoverther  @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle 
          That is an excellent comparison!!!

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR  God is not human. If we try to make God into a being humans can understand the same way humans understand one another, we are belittling Him. But it’s very clear that the Father is NOT the Son and that the Spirit is their Spirit, obedient to the Father and Son, going where He is told to go and doing and saying what He is told to say by the Father and the Son. We pray to the Father and ask for particular blessings which if the Father wills, the Son fulfills through their Spirit. God is three IN one. In Heaven I suspect we will finally see the Father, and the Son will be the light which shines continually giving light to all inhabitants. Will they share a throne as John saw in Revelation they now do? We’re not told it will be that way. We’ll find out when we get there, and that should be soon enough.

        • DRLJR

          @Ray Downen Do not read more into the description than is intended.

    • ladypatriot

      @Jane18 It is terrible that with the many Christian denominations, they have to put down others.  Atheists feed off of Christian against other religions who believe in and FOLLOW Christ yet call them “cults” or  non-Christian.  I am not a J.W. nor do I believe as they do.  I am replying to Jane18’s post.  Why do you think there are so MANY different Protestant denominations? Is it, perhaps,  because they don’t all agree on everything!  What do the Baptists (Southern and American–even different Baptists) believe that they are not called Presbyterian?  or Methodist?  or Pentecostal? or Lutheran?…get my point?  How many people in ANY religion professing to be Christian lie, cheat, steal, do porno, commit adultery, fornicate, use the Lord’s name in vain, or bear false witness?  He died for our sins, but, that doesn’t give us license to keep on doing them.  Do your best to be the best example to others of what a Christian is instead of chopping down others.  People do watch Christians and their set examples.  I am not writing this to start a whole new tirade of religious postings.  I am just saying Judge not, lest ye be judged.

      • Ray Downen

        @ladypatriot  There are differing denominations because of differing beliefs. Baptists, for example, are taught that the way to become a Christian is to pray and then the way to become a Baptist Christian is to be baptized. Many other Protestant churches also teach wrongly how sinners become obedient followers of Jesus Christ. There are several examples of conversions given in the Bible book of Acts (and in no other apostolic writings). So we do well to see how conversion happened in the apostolic age. 
         
        What the Bible teaches is that the way to become a Christian (non-denominational, “just a Christian”) is after hearing and believing the gospel to obey the gospel by repenting (of sin and toward Jesus as LORD) and being baptized. So those who know the Bible well choose to obey the gospel rather than joining Baptist churches. And every group obviously has differing views on particular subjects. But we ALL love Jesus and seek to please and obey Him as Lord. Of course we have no right to judge others. But we are told to inspect the fruit of what others believe and practice, and that we will be judged by what WE believe and practice.

        • RGH

          @Ray Downen  @ladypatriot To be saved we must be “born again” by believing in and accepting our Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior.
          He is the ONLY one that paid for our sins on the cross and then resurrected from the death and went back to our God the Father (seen by over 500 people) so we also can be with Him for eternity some day. 
          Religions can not save anyone, they can only teach about salvation. 
          To be a member of a church does not make you a christian just like standing in a garage does not make you a car. Our life here on earth is only for a short time. Our real life is eternal with Him. Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.  All others, so called, gods died and never came back to life.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  @ladypatriot But how did ‘conversions’ (people coming to faith) occur before Christ?  I think you will find the correlation of the Holy Spirit at work in the Word of God which, when heard, one receives faith.  (Rom. 10:15-17) Conversion experiences are often not much more than an emotional event; sometimes more staged and played out (not always though; some folks do confess to have had conversion experiences and I don’t want to condemn that at all)
           
          The miracle of Baptism is that it bestows on the baptized the Holy Spirit.  It is by the Holy Spirit that one believes and is saved. (Mark 16:16)
           
          Now all this said, think of Peter for a moment.  All of the disciples were likely baptized although we don’t hear of their baptismal experience.  But it’s pretty clear that as John the Baptist was baptizing in the Jordan (Matt. 3, Mark 1, Luke 3) that as Jesus was baptized, so followed His disciples.  Now, consider Peter on Maundy Thursday denying Jesus 3x, and then after the resurrection being reinstated (Jn 21:15ff) 
          My point is that conversion or baptism doesn’t guarantee that we obey; it guarantees that as we repent and are sorrowful of our sins, there is forgiveness.
           
          Oh, and Ray, we are to judge…just not the unbelieving heart which claims no faith.  But as for those of us who are of the faith, read  Matthew 7:15ff,  18:15-35; Mark 6:10-11.  Mark 9:42ff warns those who would cause others to sin.  There are plenty of verses that call the believer to call out sinful behavior.  Like this one: Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
           
          To a young pastor, St. Paul said this: 1 Timothy 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
          And this: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
           
          St Paul in Corinthians was faced with a wicked congregation which gave him fits.  The church at Galatia was not too different: Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
           
          And finally: 1 Peter 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect.
           
          Becoming a believer is easier than living as one eh?  But the Holy Spirit sustains us always even unto the return of our Lord.

        • Ray Downen

          @RGH  It should be obvious to every Bible student that it takes more than changing your mind about Jesus in order to obey the gospel and become a Christian. Accepting Jesus as Savior is done by repenting and being baptized. We are buried in baptism and then raised into NEW LIFE. A person could pray all day and still not be obedient to the gospel which calls for sinners to repent and be baptized. Or the praying could last for a lifetime. It is not correct to speak of being “born again” (of water and spirit, Jesus said) by believing in and accepting Jesus as Savior. Only those who obey the gospel will be saved by Jesus. And this means living for Him after we are born again! http://missionoutreach.org/OwensMaxey.pdf.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther  It doesn’t make any difference at all how “conversions” occurred prior to the day Jesus rose from the dead and then 50 days later offered salvation on new terms. Believers can live a long life and die having no hope of salvation by the blood of Jesus. Only those who OBEY the gospel are born again of water and spirit (Acts 2:38). http://missionoutreach.org/OwensMaxey.pdf.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen So you are then implying that Moses and all the prophets are not saved, not in heaven?  Think on that  and you will see there is a huge vacuum there.  The Holy Spirit which brings faith was active at creation and continues to be active today…Also, it is not to ‘obey’ that saves us as none of us can obey all the time; we are sinful by nature.  it is in believing in that promise of God which brings salvation.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  @RGH Be very careful here Ray.  Obedience is good, don’t get me wrong.  However, ‘complete’ obedience by our sinful nature just is not going to occur.  That’s why we are to repent not just once, but daily of our sins.  We sin against God in the things we have done, and in the things we have left undone; we have not loved Him with all our heart, mind and strength, we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. 
           
          Only through the Holy Spirit living within us can we know of salvation, know of our weakness which is still with us after Baptism, and know that their is a continuing need of forgiveness up to the day we breath our last.  I wish baptism did end our sinful ways…but it does not.  What it DOES do, is lead us through our sins by our repentance, sorrow for our sins (both those we know and those we do not know) and forgiveness for those sins; that we might do better tomorrow.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther No, YOU are supposing that what I wrote about truth means that, but it surely does not do so. But the Holy Spirit didn’t die for us. It’s not the blood of the bloodless Holy Spirit which washes away sin. It’s not the Holy Spirit who adds names to the Lamb’s Book of Life. It’s JESUS who saves. Jesus through Peter promises to give the Spirit to each new convert who obeys the gospel of JESUS. The gift is separate from the saving which is done by JESUS. The Spirit does NOT “bring faith” to a sinner as careful reading of apostolic writings would make clear to each such reader. It is to be hoped that careful Bible students will not disagree with Paul who wrote to Christians in Thessalonica to inform them (and any reader) that only those who OBEY THE GOSPEL will be saved (2 Thessalonians 1:5-10). And Peter on the first day the gospel was preached explained how sinners who have heard and believed the gospel can “obey the gospel.” (Acts 2:38). He was urging them to save themselves by that obedience.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther  What a pity it is that some suppose Jesus is NOT our Savior, assigning that work instead to the Holy Spirit. But what do such folks think the apostolic writings are for if not to let us know of salvation and know how we are to save ourselves by adding to the faith which comes from hearing about Jesus. This person may not have access to a Bible which describes these things which he/she imagines have to be done separately for each believer. In fact, they were done during the apostolic age for all believers. It’s in the BIBLE that we can learn how Christians should live and from the BIBLE that we learn about the Savior whose blood can cleanse our sins.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  Ray D. said: “The Spirit does NOT “bring faith” to a sinner as careful reading of apostolic writings would make clear to each such reader.”
           
          Why then, after Jesus’ resurrection did He tell the disciples ‘do not leave Jersusalem, wait, for the figt my Father promiesed, which you have heard me speak about.’?
           
          Why if Jesus brings faith, did not one of His disciples truly believe until Pentecost?  The Gospels are chuck full of accounts of how ‘dull’ the disciples were aside from being blessed with the Holy Spirit.
           
          In Luke 24 two disciples are walking toward Emmaus; downtrodden and sad.  Why?  They believed Jesus was dead and the ministry as well.  Not until Jesus comes along side (unknown to them at that point) in His Spirit (because the Man Jesus has died remember) “and beginning with Moses and the Prophets, explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself. (Luke 22:27)  Then, as Jesus took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, gave it to them, they recognized who it was.  It was through the Spirit which accompanied these men that faith was given.
           
          Peter who habitually fits his foot into the mouth, after Pentecost, becomes the disciple Jesus had intended…but not until then.
           
          Romans 15:16 “…to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.”  That word ‘sanctified’ means to be ‘made holy’.  By what means?  According to St. Paul, his understanding is by the Holy Spirit.
           
          Paul says much the same again: Ephesians 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
           
          One of Paul’s most powerful statement concerning the Holy Spirit: Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (Note: the Greek sentence here combines ‘washing of regeneration (baptism) and renewal (of mind, ie: repentance) as acts of the Holy Spirit.
           
          I could pile on much more evidences which God has provided in which the role of the Holy Spirit is revealed, but I will end with this one:
          Hebrews 10:15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them  after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”  This is the work of the Holy Spirit; to imprint upon our minds and our hearts the faith of and in Christ and the Father in Heaven.
           
          Notice that obeying God is never mentioned?  That’s because aside from possessing the Holy Spirit, we can do no ‘good work’ for God.  It is only after we receive the Spirit that anything ‘good’ comes of or from us.
           
          This may seem like a nit pick, but the doctrine of the Holy Spirit is critical to knowing how God intends to work within us.  If one believes that they can ‘obey God’ aside from having the Holy Spirit, then who needs the Holy Spirit in order to do ‘good’?  Our culture will define evil as good and good as evil; who gets to say which is which and more important, how does each individual ‘know’ good from evil?  Only by the Holy Spirit which sanctifies us; makes us ‘set apart’ (holy) for the works which Christ intended for us to do (Eph 2:8-10)
           
          God Bless and hope you had/have a great Thanksgiving weekend!

        • Ray Downen

          @RGH  Jesus doesn’t quite agree with you, RGH. He says that to be born again we must be reborn of water and spirit. He does not mention that belief is being born again. It’s agreed that many do suppose that faith alone saves sinners. But what the Bible clearly teaches is that faith ALONE is dead. And being born again brings us into new LIFE. Peter says the way to be born again of water and spirit is by repenting and being baptized. I believe Peter was led by God’s Spirit to tell us the truth about conversion. And anyone who has a different answer is not being led by the Holy Spirit!

        • Ray Downen

          @RGH You write, Why then, after Jesus’ resurrection did He tell the disciples ‘do not leave Jerusalem, wait, for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.’? 
           
          And the answer is simple. Jesus told His apostles THEY would receive baptism in the Holy Spirit. They were to wait until that baptism in the Spirit came and THEN they were to tell everyone who would listen about the risen Lord. The apostles did exactly what they were told to do. AFTER the apostles were baptized with the Spirit, the invitation was given to all who would listen that they could save themselves by repenting and being baptized in water. On that marvelous day 3,000 did just that. They heard about the risen Jesus and believed and obeyed the gospel by being baptized, turning away from sin and making HIM their Lord.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther If salvation is through the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus need to come to earth at all? He could just have sent the Spirit if your theory about salvation through the Spirit is correct. As for the Spirit giving faith to the apostles, are you thinking they didn’t KNOW fully that their friend and teacher had risen from the dead prior to their receiving the Spirit? And Jesus instructed those apostles that they should go everywhere telling others about Him, then baptizing those who believed in Him. He did NOT instruct them to tell about the Holy Spirit who would save them. Their message was the gospel (good news) about JESUS of Nazareth who had risen from the dead. That also should be OUR message. Jesus saves! By His death and endless life JESUS saves. The Spirit is His gift to those who obey the gospel and receive remission of sins from the Son of God.

      • servant

        @ladypatriot  Reason 4 so many “Denominations”?   Easy the very word means to Divide, and who has for eons been dividing men from God? SATAN!.
        It form his mind that he deceives all who wander from the original truth, that Christ Who is THE WORD {John1:1-3,14.}, perhaps this is why the Song “I did it MY WAY” has been recorded by many over the years, but under the age of Ecumenism all but a few are running back to the center of human traditions, which in their words are equal to the Holy Bible!
        That’s blasphemy!
        “Let no man deceive by any means” [3x in Matt.24. But study and learn the Word for yourself as NONE but you shall stand in Judgement, no church, no teacher just YOU and your deeds!

        • DRLJR

          @servant  @ladypatriot Actually a better explanation even referenced in your post is that as groups of people came to understand what was lost in the Word over the years they split into other groups to practice what God revealed to them.  Especially, since others in the original group would generally not accept what the others found in the Word.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @Jane18 I believe I asked someone else that ..not you.but I could be wrong..religions to me are all the same something else to depend on..IO note that conservatives always say they should depend on themselves and not a government..well isn’t religion what you’ve put in its place?

  • MikeYoung

    And this Judge and Prosecutor haven’t been Impeached, Recalled, and Replaced with Judges or Prosecutors with common sense and or respect for human life and or dignity yet. WHY NOT.

    • Benjamin Wabich

      @MikeYoung
       Most likely they are getting their orders from Wash, D.C.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Benjamin Wabich  @MikeYoung  From DC oar the UN!!!! f time last, we will be ruled by the UN because it will become the One World Government

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Benjamin Wabich  @MikeYoung You’re kidding right?…last I looked AZ. is a very heavy GOP state!…and Maricopa county of all places!..those people don’t answer to Washington D.C. or anywhere else except perhaps to their stupid ass conservative Govna!….there Benjamin!…that Judge made his own stupid mistake and I won’t even blame it on conservative!!

    • Ray Downen

      @MikeYoung  I pressed what I supposed was the LIKE button and then read it as UNLIKE. I agree any judge in the U.S. who accepts shariah law should be immediately removed from the bench. As soon as it is known. No wasted time. Disbarred. There is no reason why an ungodly law system should ever be used in a court where justice is dispensed. We have laws. Everyone who lives in this nation should live by our laws. Any of our judges who is willing to judge according to another nation’s laws should be removed from office with haste.

  • servant

    An open Letter to Donald La Face and all who thinks as he:
    “Religions all are bad”? Well are YOU all sure, or is only that men, who pervert it for their personal gains? Remember it was the Roman church who called for the Crusades, it was their thinking theirs was the way that killed all who refuse to believe as they do, to the tune of at least 50 million souls.
    But then there’s Stalin, Hitler Mao, Pol=Pot and the like all of whom where atheists, yet they caused 100 million deaths!
    So who is evil man or religion in the Service of the Creation God? “AS HE DICTATED IT WITHIN HIS WORD”?

    • DonaldLaFace

      as I started out Catholic,,

      • DonaldLaFace

        I was replying happily to your post Servant..when all of a sudden Whamo! it was gone..I’ve had enough of this forumwayyy to much anger..so best of luck to you all I unsubsribed!!…too much of this god stuff..,Bye Tag,NavyJR,,AND a corad in arms vietnam..all the best for you!at 74….don

        • LITom

          @DonaldLaFace
           I too will follow soon. Good to know You!

        • Ray Downen

          @DonaldLaFace It’s good that Donald has taken his face away from this site where God is respected. He speaks loudly on other sites where no Christian should be seen or heard.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen You interpret  as it pleases you..the actual truth of a matter is not of importance and you wish the country to run to your belief’s!..what makes you any better than the Islamist Fundamentalist you so abhore!?I as the peaceful Ahtheist now takes on a different personna thanks to the likes of you and your kind..Religions and your many gods should end to allow the peoples to live in peace,.,,I’m going to make it a point here to be your fly in the ointment..and enjoy myself doing it..and bring in more ..even stauncher Atheists,,as this forum will be our playground!!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen Free country! freedom of religion!

    • LITom

      @servant
       Good Points

    • Ray Downen

      @servant Obviously you don’t know that the crusades were the only thing that saved European civilization. Islam was on the march. The crusades thrust them back to their home lands. And Europe was able to live free from Islam attacks for many years. It’s about time for more crusades if we want to continue to live free.

      • servant

        @Ray Downen Thanks, but just as OBVIOUSLY   H I S story or rather YOUR story, is not Historical, nor  accurate! But “White” Europe has an overall average birth rate of 1.3 per family, and 2.3 persons is the required birth rate to sustain populations at present levels! The member of Islam have a 8.3 birth rate thus in 30 years or less they shall be the dominant force in Europe and nearly so in America and Canada! We can only learn form the past , but can’t change it!

        • Ray Downen

          @servant Yes, Islam seeks to conquer through population, and godly people are unwilling to let God decide how many children they should have so they plan parenthood leaving God out of the picture.

      • DRLJR

        @Ray Downen  @servant And the Crusades failed to free North Africa and the Middle East from the Islam’s death grip.  Unfortunately, the Crusades’ purpose has been distorted over the years since the Islam managed to destroy Byzantine empire and impose Islam in Turkey.  But that is the difference from a cult that indoctrinates and does not allow people to think for themselves.  Even today the real history is hardly known.

        • servant

          @DRLJR  @Ray Downen Sad but, HIS-story is oft replacing history! Just as the secularists teach about the non-religion of and for our founding Fathers!
          All who reject Christ, are in Satan’s camp, knowingly or not, there is no neutral!
          But NEVER forget, The French King & his army of 50,000+ marched to the German Prince’s castle where Martin Luther was held for safety, BUT he had to turn south towards Austria’ s capital, as the Ottoman  army was at it’s gates! So God used them to save him. Johann Huss [means Goose]  was told via the Holy Spirit, this goose will die, but I’ll soon raise another goose who none shall keep quiet.! This Huss wrote this fact, in his book, before the Romists burned him alive at the stake.

        • DRLJR

          @servant  @Ray Downen Which is why it is so important to teach real history – the good and the bad.  And it is also important to not fall into the trap of calling the political actions of people Christianity.  Christianity exists independently of the politics of the people.  This is why the Calvinist concept of the visible and invisible Church is so important for people to understand. 
           
          And why people must understand that Islam is not a religion but a political system with a religious component.  The political and social components of the system are intended to insure that Islamics always worship the Moon God who history shows was the god of Mohammed.  Which is one reason why people who reject Islam or deviant from its indoctrination are supposed to be killed.  It may cause others to think for themselves.

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR  It is important, just as you say, for everyone to realize that Islam is not simply a religion, which is why we do not do well to think it’s all right for Muslims to live in the U.S.A. Even wonderful neighbors who are Muslims are a danger to our civilization. They should never be granted citizenship since their “religion” calls for the murder of all non-believers.

  • servant

    TO ALL::
     
    Satan must he unhappy with this site, he has sicked all his allies to it!, but happily in the end even Satan shall bow his his knees, as shall all who will then perish , in the Lake of Fire’s one and only use, before Christ, and freely admit that God’s ways are the only ways to true peace  and joy!
    Accept or reject, this, does not, nor will it, change that which God caused to be written in the Holy Bible! For only Christ is earth’s ONLY Risen Savior, all other human gods, are still in the earth!

  • Sad Mama

    Who was this judge? Where is the Governor of Arizona all this? My goodness, the girl is surely to be killed now….. Religion is a bad name to connect to a Christian. Religion covers to many kinds of worship.. We Christians worship God.. The Trinity is our sole belief.. So we aren’t religeous, we’re Christians…….. As we all can see by what has happened in Arizona, Satan is having a field day. I for the life of me can not understand how these people can be so ungodly…….. I suppose it has been thrust into them in the womb before birth. Jesus is coming soon, so hold on and pray………..
    .

  • ladypatriot

    I was a postal employee for a number of years.  The USPS  has the rights to the mail.  They are not a government agency, though, they are overseen by the board of governors (not state governors).  When people used to come in and say “my tax dollars pay your salary!” to window clerks, the clerks would stand there and not say a word.  Tax dollars were not paying the salaries.

  • ladypatriot

    NOW BACK TO THE SUBJECT .  WHO IS THE JUDGE?  WHAT ARE THE DETAILS OF THE VERDICT AND SO-CALLED  “PUNISHMENT” OF PROBATION FOR TORTURE, TYING HER TO HER BED TO INFLICT THE PUNISHMENT -MORE SEVERE THAN WHAT THEY GOT FROM THE JUDGE-  STABBING HER IN THE NECK ATTEMPTING TO KILL AKA: MURDER HER……………..  WHO IS THE JUDGE???????????!!!!!!!!!!!

    • LisaLong1

      @ladypatriot Joseph Kreamer

  • paxcat

    It’s in the article.

  • hippygirl

    to lady patriot- the judges name is Joseph Kreamer.  i went back to early conversations and found his name.

    • ladypatriot

      @hippygirl Thank you for taking the time to find and give me the name of the judge.  It is Joseph Kreamer for anyone who wants to do something about this.  If we don’t do anything, it will keep happening until it is accepted and given a second thought.  Evidently, this isn’t the first time shariah law happened in the USA.  It should be stopped !!!

  • paxcat

    I guess I just don’t understand how these conversations work.  I thought people were supposed to have read the article before making a comment  or yelling – but I guess I just made a wrong assumption.

    • PEN333DO

      I GUESS THAT’S WHAT YOU GET FOR DOING YOUR THINKING PAXCAT!!!

      • DonaldLaFace

        @PEN333DO can’t have that..let the GOP do the thinking!,,they’re so good at it!…hahaha!

    • DonaldLaFace

      @paxcat Nope..you’re correct!

  • Varmint

    Do not judge anyone just because they sin “differently” than you do.

    • gnafuasusual

      @Varmint
       Is it a sin for a 19 year old gril to NOT want to marry some man twice her age – because mama and papa tell her she WILL marry the old man? It is a sin for any judge to dismiss a case where a child has been nearly murdered for speaking out.? You bet the judge did sin and he should not be sitting in an American Court Room!  If the girl had been American, the judge would have the parents in prison. HERE IN AMERICA WE DON’T USE FOREIGN LAWS!!!  Judge should be disbarred! The parents and their family removed to where they came from. There, they can murder their child.

      • ladypatriot

        @gnafuasusual  @Varmint You got it!  I agree with you.  I know you weren’t saying it was ok to murder their child.  It was figurative speech saying that HERE it should not be any law but our own.

    • PEN333DO

      GET A LIFE VARMINT!!!!

  • PEN333DO

    I WONDER IF OBAMA’S DAUGHTER SLEEP WELL IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THEIR MUSLIM SOCIOPATH FATHER!!!!

    • mg67

      @PEN333DO “O” isn’t Muslim. Some troll told me he ate pork and had a beer so therefore he’s not. Remember, Muslims don’t lie…LOL…

  • SC resident

    The judge’s life must have been threatened by these people.  I believe there are a lot of people including elected ones, who have been threatened and are scared to mess with these people.

    • patriciaeggett1

      I think that explains the election, not having a recount.  States aren’t getting to succeed.  We all know we didn’t vote for him.  We are not so stupid that we believe the corrupt ones lies.  I believe we can’t all be blamed for evil winning, when we protest but aren’t listened to.

  • PEN333DO

    AS LONG AS THE USA HAS A FRAUDULENT, LYING, MUSLIM COMMUNIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE,  MUSLIM SYMPATHYZING  JUDGES WILL BE APPOINTED   THE UININFORMED, INCOMPETENT VOTING POPULATION THAT CARES MORE ABOUT GETTING A FREE  “OBAMAPHONE”  WILL ONLY PERPETUATE THE INFESTATION OF SHARIA LAW INFLUENCING THE DECISIONS OF JUDGES,.

    • hippygirl

      @PEN333DO
       couldnt say it better myself. i wonder if anyone will get the hint. keep em coming.

    • patriciaeggett1

      @PEN333DO I don’t think the voting population really re-elected him. People can get handouts under Republican presidents, too if they meet household income requirements.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @PEN333DO he’s giving away free Obamaphones as well?  cool!

  • ladypatriot

    Ray Downen you write very clearly.  It is so nice to read from someone who knows that although the Father, Son, and Spirit are one in purpose, they are each individuals.

  • Mohammads picture

    There will be crusades and they will be pushed back as history teaches. All that has happened will happen again. That’s not good enough for civilization. Repeating the failure to eliminate the radical Muslim faith from existence is kicking the can down the road, again. Go in fast and hard and don’t stop. Destroy them and take no quarter and ask for none. As has happened countless times since time began history will come full circle and the insanity will begin again and end again the same way unless it is driven out of the hearts and minds of the radical Muslims. That will never happen as history proves. They can’t change so they must be destroyed for the sake of mankind.

    • servant

      @Mohammads picture Sorry, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, I will recompense.
       
      Hebrews 10:30  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
      Anything in that line is God’s job and not ours, other than expressing kindly to point our the sin
      http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com

    • Ray Downen

      @Mohammads picture It is hard to think that “good Muslims” are hazardous to our health as a free republic. But they are in that they believe in a book which advocates believers killing unbelievers. Only if such Muslims renounce their religion should they be accepted as citizens of the U.S.A. Most religions do not seek to murder unbelievers, but Islam does. So whereas most religions are welcome to become citizens of the U.S.A. Muslims should not be accepted.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @Ray Downen  @Mohammads picture Ray: Correct; and it goes further:
        Non muslims are never considered equal in islamic controlled nations.  You and I would be ‘dhimmi’ status and would only be given a protected status if we submitted to the jizzya (a tax payed annually; and its a hefty one).  Secondly, women have no status at all and are always second class or worse in the social structure. As an example, if a wife intended to file charges against her husband for beating her, she would require 4 witnesses for every one that the man brings to court (Sharia court).
         
        Also, non muslims can not own weapons of any kind
        Also, non muslims can not pray so that a muslim could hear them
        And, a non muslim must quarter a muslim for up to 3 days if asked by a muslim
         
        I could go on and on, but I think the picture and facts of islam are pretty clear; it’s a religion, a political system and a military system and they are intertwined.  Their ideology is totally incompatible with our Declaration of Independence and our US Constitution.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Ray Downen  @Mohammads picture We should have forbade the Puritans from settling here as well..

  • servant

    DLR Jr.  Well, t6hat’s one of many reason people use but all of them seemingly forget this……>
     
    John 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    meaning that  none can break the harmony within the Word, make them disagree with each other.
    By the way Please do not take the word gods out of context, we ALL belong to God!
    Denomination’ s root meaning is to Divide, and Satan has accomplished that! For there is but ONE Word, One Savior and One Cross!  Yet men have them many 100’s! So many are, if not false, right, then not very accurate!
    Read Rev.22:18-19 and remember when we read the NIV and MANY like it! {In NIV find Acts 8:27 it ain’t there!  WHY?
    Ask the Jesuits

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @servant We mustn’t forget that Jesus said he came not to bring peace, but a sword:
      Matthew 10:
      34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
       
      Luke speaks of division too: Luke 12:49ff as does Matthew 25:31ff.
       
      The ‘division’ is between those who are of faith in Christ Jesus and those who reject him.
       
      BTW, ‘denomination’ is a word derived from Latin which means to give a name to. It was applied to religious sects eventually,  based on their doctrinal views.  I suppose one could imply ‘division’ but the actual definition is derived from giving something a name.  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=denomination

      • servant

        @dntmkmecomoverther Denomination, root meaning divide, as in DENOMINATOR is what’s left over! Any big dictionary that give root meanings will agree! Greek I do not speak and Concordances do not cover, that I have.  Read John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my Commandments”.
        That is an all or nothing request’ James 2:10. “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
        Now how many “Christians, keep and observe the the 4th? {3rd  for Catholics]
        Commandments ARE NOT requests nor Suggestions, now area they?
        By the way, are God the Father and Christ the Son/Savior? Holy Spirit, one Being or Three Beings Divine and eternal with one operational goal?

        • DRLJR

          @servant  @dntmkmecomoverther If you read the scripture Christ stated he and his father are one.  And this plurality in one nature is present in the Old Testament as well.  It is one reason the Jews had such a problem with polytheism. The Hebrew actually used singular verbs with plural nouns (or vice-versus).  Thus “I am one” in Hebrew is actually “We is one” or “I are one”.  Syntactically incorrect but proper in relations to God’s nature.
           
          The best example I have ever been able to describe what has been called the Trinity is married man or women with children.  The person is a husband/wife, father/mother and son/daughter.  Three different people by the way language is used.  With God the “roles” can operate independently.  For a person the roles always operate in the singular person.  There is even a riddle which when solved is one individual.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @servant @ servant: Not sure where to start but here goes:
          1) I do know Greek, but it won’t help with defining Denomination as that word is derived from Latin (of which I know just some). 
          2) here is the Greek of Jn 14:15- ἐὰν ἀγαπᾶτέ με τὰς ἐντολὰς τὰς ἐμὰς τηρήσετε
          The key words here are ‘Agape’ which means love, and  ‘tereo’ which means to guard, or observe; as a watchman watches and keeps guard.  Obey doesn’t fit in the context of the Greek but it gets translated that way all too often.  Here’s the bottom line: Are any of us capable of keeping ANY of the Commandments ALL of  the time?  If we are honest the answer is no.  That’s why Jesus came to fulfill the law for us and to die the death we deserve. That said, it is our duty to love honor and observe the Commandments, but it is only by the Holy Spirit within us that we can abide by that call of the Word.
          3) The role of the Commandments is not to ‘make us moral’, for we fall far short of that every day.  The role of the Commandments was to provide a basis for recognizing how each of us fall short of the glory of God and are in need of a savior.
          4) Father, Son and Holy Spirit: this represents the ‘Godhead’ and many have attempted to ‘explain’ this.  The Athanasion Creed is Christendoms ‘best attempt’ which still leaves much to wonder.  That said, Christians can see in Holy Scripture that the Father is Creator, the Son is Redeemer, and the Holy Spirit is Sanctifier.  ‘Sanctifier’ implies that the Holy Spirit is that which can make us ‘set apart’ for the glory of God.  That’s what the word ‘holy’ means: set apart (implication here is ‘set apart for God). One operational goal?  No, since there is Creation, the fall and the redemption of man, there exists the need of a Creator, a Redeemer and for us to believe, the paraclete or Holy Spirit, which brings us into faith in the One True God…Father Son and Holy Spirit…the Great Three in One.
           
          That all said, it was differences in ‘how we say who God is’ (our Confessions) that rocked the way of the Early church fathers as they dealt with the Arian heresy and many others.  The Eastern church splits over ONE word in the Creeds: a word that means ‘of the same substance': homoisios.  The Filioque debate ended up with a split of the Eastern and Western church which still exists today….sadly.
           
          Hope this helps, Soli deo Gloria!

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DRLJR  @servant  Yes indeed.  Describing or confessing ‘who we say God is’ is not an easy thing. Our ‘best attempt’ as a group has landed us the Athanasian Creed…and your analogy of family, although good, still is insufficient to describe how it is that God is all three, and that all three are co equal, none above or below the other…etc.  On the other side in heaven, I must ask for some clear understanding :-)

        • DRLJR

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @servant It is the best we can do.  How can the imperfect describe  the perfect.  The best we can do is to be give the best analogy possible based upon what he has revealed to us of his nature.  Man is of limited understanding, especially since Adam disobeyed God. 
           
          Remember, it was not until Adam ate of the Apple that Adam’s and Eve’s eyes were open.  People like to blame Eve but the fault lays squarely on Adam’s shoulders.  We see the same failures today with men not stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility for their actions.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther  Truth and explanations do indeed help others understand what is said or written. The Holy Spirit is God’s gift to each new Christian who was made a Christian by having heard the gospel, believed the gospel and chosen to turn to Jesus as Lord, then being baptized into His body which is the church. The Spirit does not bring anyone into faith. It’s as sinners turn to Jesus and obey His gospel that we receive the Spirit to help us walk each day with JESUS as our Lord.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther  But it is not said by apostolic writers that the three are each equal. The Father is supreme. The Son is our Savior. The Spirit is sent to do the bidding of the Father as expressed by the Son. Each is God, but they are NOT all equal.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen If all are God, how can they NOT be equal?  God does not exist outside of this realm of this Trinitarian revelation.  When we read in the OT of the Spirit, it’s the same Spirit that comes at Pentecost; when we hear of the Spirit being present at Creation, it’s the same Spirit.  When St. Paul writes in Colossians 1 that Jesus was there at Creation, it’s the same Trinitarian revelation.
           
          The only theological difference is the realms in which each of the Godhead is functioning.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen Ray, the apostolic writers all pointed to the work of the Holy Spirit which includes bringing faith to the hearers ears.  Rom. 10:17
           
          The confessions of the early church all agree to the realm of the Holy Spirit being that which ‘sanctifies’ us.  That is, leads us into the life of faith; that’s what that word means.  This has been the confession of the 1st C church up to and including today.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther I take it you don’t believe Peter knew when the Spirit is given. For he certainly has a different idea than you express. Read and believe Acts 2:38 and then tell me when the Spirit becomes involved in a sinner becoming a Christian.
           
          Perhaps Peter didn’t know. He certainly doesn’t agree with your theory saying that the Spirit causes faith. It’s true that the Word speaks of sanctification being through the Spirit. But salvation is through obeying the gospel of Jesus.
           
          And the timing is that both remission of sins (cleansing from the guilt of sin) AND the gift of the Holy Spirit FOLLOW repenting (deciding to follow Jesus as Lord) and being baptized. You place the work of the Spirit before conversion. The apostles place it AFTER conversion. I think the apostles have it right.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther You want Father, Son and Spirit to be identically powerful. But I see Jesus (God’s Word) actually creating all the universe (one fellow thinks my referring to it as a solar system meant I thought only our sun and its subsidiary planets and such was meant when I simply meant everything which is part of the universe in which this world lives) while the Spirit looked on.
           
          John affirms that neither the Father nor the Spirit were involved in creation, that it was done entirely by the Word who later came to earth as the man, Jesus of Nazareth. All creating was done by the unique Son of God (His Word). The final judging will be done by Jesus also. Jesus mentioned that only the Father knew when the world would be ended, that He Himself did not know and obviously then the Spirit also didn’t know. Paul affirms that at the end, Jesus will return us all from every age in every land “to the Father.” Until then, Jesus is completely in charge. Afterward, the Father will be in charge of our new universe.
           
          No mention is made of where the Spirit will be in Heaven. The Father and the Son will be there, we’re told. But for now, all authority is in the hands of the Son, He says, and I believe He knows. But still, all authority is FROM the Father. Now why would anyone claim all three are equally powerful and gifted? Each has unique powers and duties and pleasures, which differ from one to the other.

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR  If you want to believe the Father died on the cross, you’re welcome to do so. I think He was in Heaven at that time but Jesus was on the cross and died there. Jesus claimed to be praying to the Father many times while on earth. How foolish if the Father was right there seeing through His eyes and speaking through His tongue. I believe Jesus was here and the Father was elsewhere. It’s granted that humanly it is not possible for the two to be one while they were separate. They are God and not limited by human limitations. But Jesus WILL return to the Father “authority” which He now has as head of God’s people on earth. It was not until He had died and was resurrected that He claimed to have all authority on earth. I judge that the Father has most authority and that during this church age He has handed that authority to the Son who will return it to the Father at the end of this age. I don’t try to explain this in human terms. We’re talking about God, not about humans.

        • Ray Downen

          @servant  Denominate is to name. Separated groups have particular names which they prefer and which separate them from similar but not identical groups. Jesus calls for us who love Him to obey Him. He however has given no particular commandments. James points out that those who lived under the Mosaic law needed to keep it perfectly in order to be in compliance with it. Christians have no law code they are to follow. You wrongly conclude that the ten commandments given in the Mosaic Law are for Christians also. They are not. Jesus summed them up by two commandments which are helpful in understanding God’s requirements for people today. We ARE to love God completely. We ARE to love others simply and fully. These are indeed difficult commands for selfish people as we all are. But they form the heart of Christian conduct. They are a goal which we each should strive to meet. 
           
          Jesus commissioned US as He spoke to His apostles giving them what we call His great commission. His orders were that wherever we went we were to tell others about Him and that we individuals were to baptize those who believed the message about a risen Savior, a man who triumphed over death and offered life to those who would take Him as their Lord. Now there’s a commandment which should challenge us each one. Do we love Jesus? Do we want to obey Him? If so, we will live and love as He did, and will try to win others to Him. O.K.?

        • DRLJR

          @Ray Downen Please don’t read into what I wrote what is not there.  Christ made it clear he and the Father were one.   That is one of the reasons the Pharisees got so  upset with him (see John 10:30).  I was giving an analogy of the nature of God and nothing else.

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR You say you were giving an analogy of the nature of God and nothing else. I’m sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you emphatically was claiming that the Father was in/with Jesus at all times while Jesus was on earth, which of course is not true since Jesus prayed to the Father who was NOT with Him on earth. While Jesus was on earth God was in Heaven. After ‘Jesus had complete His work on earth, Jesus returned to Heaven where He and the Father were still one yet in separate personages so that later John could see Jesus seated BESIDE the Father on His throne in Heaven. It’s not in any earthly sense that Jesus and the Father were and are one. So it’s hard to try to put it into words that we humans can understand. God is NOT human. Jesus came to earth and WAS for some years a human, at which time the Father was still in Heaven.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen Ray, your doctrinal understanding of the Trinity is not in line with that of Christendom, nor in line with Holy Scripture (I’m not condemning you, just attempting to help you through a struggle which many Christians experience as they try to confess ‘who and what God is’)
           
          John 1: In the Beginning was the Word (logos). and the Word was with God (Theos). He was with (pros) God in the beginning. 
           
          John is describing the oneness of God, not Jesus being the creator.
           
          Ray, when you claim that God was not present at the genesis, you are defying God’s Word which says He was.  Genesis 1 and John 1 are parallels.  Creation is the ‘work of the Father’.  Jesus as God and Man works in the realm of salvation (soteriological man).  The Holy Spirit works in the realm of making us Holy (sanctifier/sanctification).
           
          You said I want Father, Son and Spirit to be identically powerful..but it’s not what I ‘want’ but what Scripture reveals…each of the Godhead performs miraculously in their roles of Creation, soteriology and faith.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen Ray said: “I take it you don’t believe Peter knew when the Spirit is given. For he certainly has a different idea than you express. Read and believe Acts 2:38 and then tell me when the Spirit becomes involved in a sinner becoming a Christian.”
          Answer: For Christians today it’s at baptism
           
          Repenting is not ‘deciding’ to follow Jesus.  To Repent is to change the way we think.;  to do a mental U turn as our mind looks at our behaviors.  In the past, man did as he thought best, now by faith we can look to God’s definitions of Good / Evil and walk in those ways.  Not one of us has that ability without the Holy Spirit leading us to repentance.
           
          For just a moment, remove the event of Pentecost; and tell me what Peter’s ministry might have looked like without the Holy Spirit working within him…I believe it would have necessarily paralleled Peter’s ‘foot in the mouth’ methods he used previously; as well as his CYA moments when the pressure was put on.  Yet, Peter becomes a valiant purveyor of Christ; something he was not before the Holy Spirit is gifted to him.

        • servant

          @dntmkmecomoverther  I see no Problems with your dissertation.
          We both know that English has many short comings, in many word, Love for instance.
          In the Greek there are three levels of love, for a brother or sister, for wife/husband and then the highest Agape the love that Christ has for us, fully shown by His willingness to endure the time before and during the Cross.
          The Royal Law, is there for the same reason men have posted speed limit signs, to know the law/speed limits, to identify what is sin! For where there is no law there can not be sin.
          Believers (biblically) are not to be sinners, and as such are not under its condemnation but rather under Grace! BUT TO KEEP SINNING is to make God’s Grace a DISGRACE! This all can do with faith in Jesus who does the “Keeping us from sin” by our willing to allow Him to work within us! Total surrender to HIS WILL! IF we do sin, we MUST then and there repent and seek forgiveness via a silent prayer.In this surrender stage, sin should make one physically sick to our belly.

        • servant

          @Ray Downen I wrongly believe the the Mosaic law r 4 Christians? WHOA UP, I never believe nor say nor write this, you Sir Err ! It was in fact the Mosaic law, of Ordinances and of Blood sacrifice, that was done away with, “Nailed to His Cross”. Why even today’s Orthodox Jews do NOT use sacrifice animals, they were ALL pointed to God’s Lam Slain, Christ Jesus!
          As for Denominations, they are ALL MAN _ MADE, from One Word, One Cross and One Savior! Now who but Satan and his are 4ever trying to divide men from God? That was my point sir!
          Yes His 2nd Condensed Law is the most difficult, to love your enemies, but in this also we have His help,  we are to die to self, right, thus as a corpse, we are immune to insult, or hate from others.

        • JH

          @Ray Downen  @DRLJR I’ve been following this thread with some interest and some trepidation at how some are interpreting simple truths into some type of grandiose enigma. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) are one; one in purpose.  The purpose of the Divine Father. Jesus is Lord of this Earth under the direction of God the Father. Being Lord of this Earth and its creator Jesus (the Great “I AM” of the Old Testament) does the bidding of the Divine Father under His tutelage and direction.  The Holy Spirit is the “Spirit of Truth” and can testify to each man, woman or child as to the truth of any particular truth as it is taught and it’s necessity to the revelation to man of the divine nature of Christ and of man himself. All truth comes from God and he is its source. The son and Holy Spirit cannot vary from their appointed goal of  achieving salvation for all mankind. We have in us the Spirit of God as his spirit children. We are here on Earth to learn the difference between good and evil and to become obedient and teachable like young children. We are commanded to become like Christ who is like the Father, who is perfect. We weren’t asked to try but to do it. Faith is a hope in things we cannot see that are true. We have the ability to either block the influence of the Holy Ghost or listen to its calm still voice and follow the witness of truth that it delivers. #1 is that Christ is who he says he is….the Son of Man, God’s literal Son in who’s image He is. If you’ve seen Christ, then you have seen His Father. It is interesting that he has asked us to call Him Father. Christ teaches us to call God Father and to pray to the God in Jesus name.#2 Christ Jesus is the intercessor between man and God. He will judge us as he has lived among us and has first hand knowledge of what we are going through.
          God is creator of the Universe and of this planet through the work he gave to His Son Jesus Christ who was then spirit Himself. All Glory to the Father and none for Himself. He took on  a body of flesh and bones to stand as a witness of the truth of the ability of man to be perfect and to set an example for us to aspire to. #3 His is the Savior of Mankind. He sacrificed Himself to become the Redeemer of mankind and made possible for us to overcome our sins through repentance, by truly changing and forgiving others as well as ourselves. It is a life long process.  To bring us back to God from whence we came as descended spirits, His sons and daughters, to learn, have knowledge and to become wise stewards of the bodies that He has endowed us with. #4 He teaches us the the true nature of God and our relationship to Him through His life and death. Through His example of love and honor to us and the Father.  #5 We are the purpose of the Godhead or the trilogy of God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit of Truth. When we comprehend this, then they become our purpose and set our disposition through revelation, prayer and obedience to his rules and laws. We Glorify God when we understand and act accordingly, as He has commanded and justified and sanctified for the redemption of the souls of mankind.  We are to become one with Him and with each other. We need to be one in application of the purposes that have been commanded and one with each other with respect and forgiveness for mistakes and errors and for trespasses intended and those that are truly unintentional. We need to make mistakes so that we can over come them and appreciate exactly what type of example has been given us as a gift. The gift of life eternal is to know the only true God.  To give you all the references would be wrong. You need to search them out. The more you know the more you should want to know. Like air to a runner!  I have little time to spare, but wanted to share in what I’ve learned and know to be true. I hope it helps one or all. May you all have peace in Him who has power to heal and redeem. Good Bye.

        • DRLJR

          @Ray Downen I don’t disagree.  But the conversation is what helps people understand.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther You say that repenting is not deciding to follow Jesus. . . Not one of us has that ability without the Holy Spirit leading us to repentance. But Luke either was led by the Spirit to tell the truth or he was not led by the Spirit. Luke’s sequence is for sinners to repent and be baptized (two actions) and THEN (two actions) receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. You want the Spirit to be given before the Spirit is given. You should learn better!

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther For one who thinks he knows a great deal, you speak in apparent ignorance of what the apostle John actually says in John 1:1,2. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God AND THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him and without Him was not anything made which was made.” John is describing the oneness of God, and the fact that the Word who later came to earth as Jesus was the actual creator of all things. You want to remove the act of creation from the Word to make Genesis more understandable in saying that God made. But Jesus IS God. He was both God and WITH God. Genesis is understood in the light of John, not John in the light of Genesis. 
           
          If “Christendom” doesn’t understand the Bible, that’s not my fault. John’s report is accurate and sheds light on the Creation which was done by the Son of God who is Himself God. It was the Word to whom the Father said, “Let US make man in OUR own image.” But in the final analysis the Father is supreme, the Son serves Him and the Spirit serves both Father and Son. They therefore are not exactly equal. The Spirit is not the Father. Neither are the Son. Each is unique and all together are God.

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR I surely wish this blog offered the chance to edit! I see that on line 3 of the note identified as 83 pts I used the verb was when it should have been “were.” But there’s no way to correct it that I see. The sentence should have read, “I thought you emphatically were claiming that the Father was in/with Jesus . . .”

        • Ray Downen

          @DRLJR You write something that seems very strange to me: <copy>  He (Jesus) sacrificed Himself to become the Redeemer of mankind and made possible for us to overcome our sins through repentance, by truly changing and forgiving others as well as ourselves. It is a life long process.  To bring us back to God from whence we came as descended spirits, His sons and daughters, to learn, have knowledge and to become wise stewards of the bodies that He has endowed us with. <endcopy> 
           
          “Forgiving others as well as ourselves” makes no sense if we’re speaking of conversion through new birth of water and spirit. It’s GOD who forgives US. We forgive others. We do not forgive ourselves. And what’s this about us being “descended spirits”? The Book of Mormon speaks so. The Bible surely does not. Each human is newly created when in the mother’s womb an egg is fertilized. We weren’t somewhere waiting to be hatched. Our life on earth is said to begin when we exit our mother’s body and first breathe air. We were not alive somewhere else before we were conceived, and we’re not fully alive until we are “born.”

      • Evermyrtle

        @dntmkmecomoverther  @servant This was not meant to bring friction in the family for the sake of friction, but to get them stirred up about the lies they were believing and through the differences of belief that the truth would be realized.

    • DRLJR

      @servant And Protestant is based upon the fact of Luther’s protesting over the Catholic Church’s deviations from the truth.  People congregate with like minded people and that is something you can not deny. 
       
      Christianity is in itself a very simple idea and one can tell if an organization is Christian by using a simple test.  The test being:
       
      1) Christ is and always was God. 
      2) Christ suffered and died for us.
      3) Christ was resurrected.
       
      As a result, based upon my knowledge, Mormon, Jehovah Witness and organizations such as the Unitarians, have a theology that is not Christian. Christ in Mormonism and Jehovah Witness became God after his death on the cross.  But even with the trappings that have grown up around the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant denominations the core doctrine is taught.
       
      And my NIV has Act 8:27.  So maybe you should do some proof reading of what you write.  And I have not taken anything out of context.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @DRLJR  @servant DLRJR: don’t forget number 4 in your list:
        4) Christ will return and raise all the dead. He will separate the sheep from the goats and take those who believe in Him with Him into eternity.  Those who reject Him, well, that’s a dissasterous eternity…

        • DRLJR

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @servant I did not list that since it not core to the nature of God and salvation per se.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DRLJR  @servant Careful: the nature of God is truth; If He says he’s coming back, we better look forward to that and we ought to be prepared, eh?…Salvation unto eternity.  I pray that followers have that sense of urgency as they tell others the Good News.

        • DRLJR

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @servant I am.

        • Evermyrtle

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @DRLJR  @servant  four is nit the same word as for.

      • servant

        @DRLJR Color me red, I goofed it’s Acts 8:37 that missing fro the NIV
        Acts 8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
        Plus http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org this site is on record saying that from 1/2 was of Acts to the end of Revelations, is equal in word count to all the words left out of the NIV Bible. That must ring a bell for Rev;22:18,19. does it not? {NO I did not personally count the words ]

        • DRLJR

          @servant That is why it we are told to study the word and I like the Greek to go with it.  The publisher should be held to account for failing to include all of the text.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DRLJR  @servant DRLJR: the text of the NIV 1984 notes that the text is ‘missing’ from their versions.  If you look at the footnotes it will have that noted.  The reason that happens is that we have several codices and some of those earlier manuscripts are missing some of those words. The Gospel of Mark has the same issue. Mark 16:9-20 is held to be questionable as to their being ‘in the original’ manuscripts.  We find them in later writings but not in the earliest.
           
          All this said, these missing parts/words in the context of use, don’t change the message or plan of salvation, nor the redemptive history; so we don’t languish over them; although it makes for a good Bible Study :-)

        • Raymond 1

          The King James Bible is God’s preserved Word
          in English. Those “other” bibles are satanic
          counterfeits.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Raymond 1 Actually Raymond, the texts that we had to compare when the King James was published (1611) are not nearly as good as what we have today.  I know you like the KJV, but there is much better scholarly access to the earlier texts today than we had in 1611.  The most complete and accurate in its rendering is the ESV.
           
          As Christians, we have to be very careful what we call Satanic.  Bringing God’s word closer to the original should not be viewed as such, but we are always called to access and tell the truth of God’s Word.  That’s why we continue to study it in the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek as well as our English versions. (and granted, there are some lousy translations, I will give you that :-).  Peace.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    @Ray Downen  Sorry Ray, but I can’t get this blog site to cooperate; it won’t take me to your most recent posting so I will C/P here:If salvation is through the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus need to come to earth at all? He could just have sent the Spirit if your theory about salvation through the Spirit is correct. As for the Spirit giving faith to the apostles, are you thinking they didn’t KNOW fully that their friend and teacher had risen from the dead prior to their receiving the Spirit? And Jesus instructed those apostles that they should go everywhere telling others about Him, then baptizing those who believed in Him. He did NOT instruct them to tell about the Holy Spirit who would save them. Their message was the gospel (good news) about JESUS of Nazareth who had risen from the dead. That also should be OUR message. Jesus saves! By His death and endless life JESUS saves. The Spirit is His gift to those who obey the gospel and receive remission of sins from the Son of God.
     
    I hope I didn’t have something misinterpreted here.  Jesus indeed is our salvation.  In order for you and I to  ‘believe’ that, the Holy Spirit must abide within us.  Note that the disciples all heard Jesus say numerous times that He must suffer, die, and rise again on the 3rd day; yet none of them believed that.  Not even on that first day of the week.  Thomas is the most sincere of the group.  These disciples are hiding for ‘fear of the Jews’.  These men were terrified of what happened to Jesus was now destined to happen to them.  Not until Pentecost does their faith come alive by the Holy Spirit.
     
    Peter’s great confession of who Christ is in Matt 16 is called the ‘rock'; only to be called Satan two verses later.  The same Peter who is in the Garden when Jesus is arrested, would deny Jesus 3 times before the dawn.  No one with true faith in Christ would have feared for their own life like that.  Once Peter is blessed with the Holy Spirit in Acts, he is a new person and faces death  square in the face as he proclaims the Good News! That’s the power of the Holy Spirit!
     
    Here’s the breakdown: Salvation for us had to be bought with blood.  the Holy Spirit has no body, ergo, no blood.  Jesus in his divinity can’t die.  Jesus in his manhood could die, if he desires to do so (and thanks be to God he does die for us).  God the Father doesn’t die, Jesus the Man who is at the same time God, does die.  and it is the work of the Holy Spirit to bring us to faith in that article of salvation.

    • Ray Downen

      @dntmkmecomoverther It passes belief for anyone to suppose that the apostles didn’t KNOW that Jesus had risen from the dead after He ate with them and talked with them and they felt the wounds in His body. You say they couldn’t believe it until they were gifted with the Spirit 50 days later. I can only sympathize with your lack of understanding simple truth. The Spirit is given to people who have heard about Jesus and believe in HIM and obey Him by repenting and being baptized. Because they believe in Jesus they receive the Holy Spirit. Your concept is outrageous and impossible, not in any way agreeing with Bible truth.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @Ray Downen You have it backward my friend.  Faith come in the hearing of God’s Word (Rom 10:17)  Your claim runs afoul of every Christian doctrine recorded.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther Yes, faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel. That’s what I said. I read <quote> Jesus indeed is our salvation.  In order for you and I to  ‘believe’ that, the Holy Spirit must abide within us. <endquote> And the Spirit is God’s gift to those who HAVE believed and HAVE repented and HAVE been baptized (Acts 2:38). We receive the Spirit after and as a result of our believing in Jesus because of hearing the gospel. 
           
          <quote>it is the work of the Holy Spirit to bring us to faith in that article of salvation.<endquote> The Holy Spirit is God’s gift to those who have believed in Jesus and have repented toward Jesus and have been baptized into Jesus. AFTER we have done so, we receive the Spirit to walk with us and help us serve JESUS. The Spirit has no influence on our thinking. We decide for ourselves what to believe and what to do. I think it most likely that it’s through the written word of God that we are influenced “by the Spirit.” If we don’t read and meditate on the written word, we’ll not be influenced so far as I know.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen Ray, there exists no means in any of us to turn to God and obey him without God’s Holy Spirit working in us.  Jesus did all kinds of miracles and yet those miracles did not produce faith in people. It may have intrigued them, frightened them, astonished them, but it does not gaurantee faith.  On the other hand, the Holy Spirit does provide the means of faith; unless it’s rejected.  This is and has been the Christian doctrine concerning the Holy Spirit since 325AD and Nicaea.

        • Evermyrtle

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Ray Downen  Still the HOLY SPIRIT guarantees nothing. The HOLY SPIRIT leads, not drives. JESUS is the teacher and leads us as well. It is left up to us to choose.after we have been taught and lead int the WAY OF THE LORD. Salvation only comes when we accept JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR AND GOD.  That feeling we get anytime when we feel we must do something GOOD for anybody comes from the HOLY SPIRIT.

    • Ray Downen

      @dntmkmecomoverther You write and I quote — Jesus indeed is our salvation.  In order for you and I to  ‘believe’ that, the Holy Spirit must abide within us.  Note that the disciples all heard Jesus say numerous times that He must suffer, die, and rise again on the 3rd day; yet none of them believed that.  Not even on that first day of the week.  Thomas is the most sincere of the group.  These disciples are hiding for ‘fear of the Jews’.  These men were terrified of what happened to Jesus was now destined to happen to them.  Not until Pentecost does their faith come alive by the Holy Spirit. — endquote.
       
      But your claim is simply not true. I can’t imagine why you or anyone would think such a thing. When the apostles received Jesus in the upper room that first Sunday evening, they couldn’t doubt that He was again alive. They didn’t have to wait until 50 days later to believe! That’s an absurd theory. But they still feared that the ones who hated Jesus would attack His followers, They KNEW Jesus had risen from the dead. It didn’t take them until nearly two months later to believe that He was alive again. He walked with them on several occasions and ate with them once and was just as before, their Master and friend. But it wasn’t, as you say, until the Day of Pentecost that they first dared to proclaim the resurrection publicly. For the ten days prior to that, Jesus had specifically told them to NOT preach yet, but to wait until they were endued with power from on high by the promised baptism in the Spirit. But the gift wasn’t given to cause faith. They had the faith long before the gift. You say they didn’t. The gospel writers say they did. I’m convinced they did. 
       
      Likewise the way Jesus said faith was to be brought to others was by them telling about the risen Lord. When the message was believed and then obeyed in baptism, THEN the Spirit was given. It’s still that way. The Spirit does not pick out one and gift that one faith and then later another and another and on and on. The gift of the Spirit is promised to those who hear and believe the gospel and then obey it. Please believe that Luke gives the account accurately of what Peter was led by the Spirit to tell seeking sinners as recorded in Acts 2:37,38. Repent and be baptized for the remission of sin and you WILL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit . Other verses need to be understood in the light of Acts 2:38. Why? Because that’s when the gospel was first preached and obeyed. No one became a Christ-follower until that day. And 3,000 did on that day.

  • NavyJR

    @RayDownen:  I didn’t say Esau was “innocent” what I said was that Rebekah and Jacob conspired against him and Isaac; which they DID!

    • Ray Downen

      @NavyJR I’m sorry if I misunderstood you. You seemed intent on making Esau a victim when in fact he was a villain who simply chose wrong ways. Yes, his mother and his brother, even though he was first out of the womb and therefore by birth entitled to the blessing of his father, conspired to deprive him of that which he finally realized he wanted greatly but which earlier he had not thought important.

      • NavyJR

        @Ray Downen  My point was that that entire clan was extremely dysfunctional and created problems for which we’re STILL paying; just LOOK at the mess in the whole middle eastern region, if you doubt me; the roots trace back to THAT family directly!

        • Ray Downen

          @NavyJR I could easily be wrong, but I do not think Jews are in any way at fault for the turmoil in Islamic countries. I think most of them are directly traceable to Mohammed and his dreams of world conquest.

        • NavyJR

          @Ray Downen No, today’s Jews didn’t cause this; it was Europeans and Muslims who stirred the pot this time; back in ’48, when the Jews who survived the Holocaust were permitted to return there and create a homeland again, just as it was the Europeans {Roman Empire} who DROVE them  out into Europe in the first place.  The Palestinians as such didn’t even EXIST at the time that the Jews began returning and reclaiming Israel.  They’re a collection of the “dregs” of Muslim society that the rest of the Arab Muslim world essentially said “NIMBY”, and sent there to harass the Jews, but the truth is I don’t believe the majorities of either side even remember WHY it is that they so hate each other…  Haven’t you ever wondered why, if the other Muslim nations were SO concerned about the “plight” of the Palestinians, they haven’t been absorbed into the neighboring Muslim nations?  It’s NOT about “creating a Palestinian nation” so much as “driving the Jews into the sea”!  From what I’ve heard, from a VERY reliable source, Muslims within their own culture treat each other abysmally, every day, all the time; along a kind of caste system, essentially.

        • Evermyrtle

          Well, actually the Jews do have some reason tho dislike the Arabs because ever since 1948, the year I got married, that Arabs have been at the Jews throats. They have done everything possible to  run them out of their own land that GOD gave them about 5,000 year ago. The Arabs never owned this land ant least it did not belong to them where the Jews were given it back to them. @NavyJR  @Ray Downen

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  @NavyJR History would say you are correct Ray.
          Historian Bill Federer has some pretty good info on this. http://www.americanminute.com/store/product.php?productid=5&cat=0&bestseller=Y

  • DonaldLaFace

    RAY DOWVEN IS A GENUINE NUTCASE!!….A real broken record!

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @DonaldLaFace And you are a prince?  We are all sinners Don…you as an atheist too.  BTW, I thought you were bowing out of this blog? Too interesting to abandon isn’t it?

      • DonaldLaFace

        @dntmkmecomoverther ..No I’m a retired made in the USA retired college Professor,of The fine Arts ,it’s History and World History..and you’re probably correct although I’m not a believer in God ,religions etc..but if to sin you’re meaning bad..yes we’re all bad at one time or other!..we’re human it’s in our DNA..I was bowing out but some here insist on belittleling my motives which are not to change anyone but to attempt compromise so we’re not a country divided but I feel this can’t be!..soon enough we’ll all be at each others throats for survival,,and I hope I’m long gone by then..one ugly war was enough for me!..this site holds some interest but over the last 15 years of blogging I’ve visited many a site….and good honest discussion is disappearing!

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace Yeah, I would much rather have the debate FTF. Blogs hide the intonation of the discussion.
           
          I do have a question for you though: If there is no God, then how at foundational level does a group of people decide what is ‘bad’ and what is ‘good’?  I know we all have ideas of what is right and wrong, but I am asking what it is at foundational level for the atheist (back to the basic beginning/origins) that makes something or someone either ‘a prince’ or a ‘beast’?  And if someone is a ‘beast’ given an atheistic worldview of origins, what would be wrong with being a beast?

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther Well you pose an excellent question….before we had religion as it is today we had pagan religions ,cults if you will..and beliefs..look at the Egyptian Empire and its many gods .they had a code of conduct ..such as adultry and theft and murder….The Mayan had their own..but a priest was above their laws ,,the priest could kill for sacrifice..essentially there too were total non-believers .those who had no rules of conduct within a tribe,,..Pagans and Athiests were the same in the eyes of the true god and those religions that followed..I got that from the Bible years ago..gotta give man credit!..Aliens didn’t help man build the Pyramids and we humans didn’t make designs in the ground to appease aliens ,,but to appease their own gods!..I brought in the extraterrestrial because so many don’t give early man credit !..I would suppose its up to the individual if they want to be prince or beast..isn’t that how it is today?..My reply is a combination of reading ,learning and deciphering it all..and opinion!,,throw in a good guess here and there!…do we really need a diety to tell us how to live? ..because if you look at our history we weren’t listening!..and if someone is a beast given the atheist worldview of origins what would be wrong w/ being a beast..well as you see I don’t believe that to have been the case..so the question I can’t answer!..couldn’t even chance a guess!…btw being an atheist does not mean we have no code of Ethics!

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther There is a GOD and HE has a son, ‘THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.” HE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE DUTY TO JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.
          Mat 7:20-23
          20. By their fruits you shall know them.
          21. Not everyone that says unto me, LORD, LORD shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my FATHER, which is in heaven
          22.Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in your name: and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
          23. And then will  I profess unto them. I never knew you: depart from me , you that work iniquity.
           
           
          In this scripture tells what will happen when all the world id gathere befor HIM.
          Matt 25
          30 and cast ye the unprofitable servant into out er darkness:  there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
          31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory, and all the holy angels with HIM, then shall He sit upon the throne of HIS glory:
          32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and HE shall separate them one fro another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:
          33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
          (the sheep being GOD’S people and the goats are for Satan and hell)
          34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, you blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the word:
           
          We can depend on the fact that we all will be in that group.and according to the lives we live we will be directed to the right or to the left.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Evermyrtle  @dntmkmecomoverther …OK Evermyrtle

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace  Ok. good beginning on this topic.  Can I get you to go more foundational (to the roots)?  Outside of a God given set of ethics (and I refer her to the God of Holy Scripture) how does one account for a set of ethics or morality coming into being, if all we are is a random chance life form?  If evolution is true, then we simply are what we are at the beginning, right? If there was/is no creator who made us, and we are continuing on this evolutionary ‘track’, then how can we account for anything being either right or wrong?  If evolution is true then everything just ‘is what it is’.  Everything would simply be what it has evolved into, right? (Keep the religious ethics outside of this application as they can be accounted for; we have written histories of those).
           
          I agree that just because one is an atheist doesn’t mean they are a beast or have no set of ethics.  But that’s not the question.  The question is what if you are a beast?  What would be ‘wrong’ with that?  Maybe it would be ‘good’ to be a beast so that you don’t get beat up or robbed…?

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace  Any one who says they are an Atheist , also then admits that he or she answers to no one, but the self, or man-made laws, agree? But know this, that your stand, is made possible by a gift from the Creator God, who gave each a free-will to chose Him via Christ, or to rejects Him and His Son.
          WHY? He wants our love, freely given as forced love is vanity thus empty!
          However, your thoughts, nor beliefs, changes ANYTHING other than YOU, and all those you take with you!
          Born 2x =die once
          Born 1 x = die 2 x!     to answer this equation read Rev 13 on the end of book!
          Please know that no man nor any amount of men change change this Word!
          Oh men have tried to eliminate His Word, and why we had the Dark Ages in Europe, for nearly 1200 years, but God always wins!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther Well if evolution is true ,,what I learned way back in school that life stemmed from singled celled to split celled to water born creatures that eventually in some cases crawled up out of the primordial sea which was teaming w/ life..and over time and adaptation took on forms forever changing or going extinct !I’m not trying to sound simplefied here ..its just one long process..taking place over millions of years,,When I was young it was called the ‘theory of Evolution’..there was no theory of creationism….as time progressed and Science got better and more answers the word theory dropped off..
                    Now what if I were a beast? would I know I’m a beast? would I think being one is bad?..no!..why should I?
           
          I thought we were pissed off at one another again..or am confusing you w/ another?

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant We had the dark ages because religion made thinking and Science against gods will ie illegal!!…what a total waste of brains!..seems like there is where you consevatives are trying to get us all back to!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant lets agree that we don’t agree on these matters..you want me to disappear I wish to move on but won’t as long as challenged!

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace  Ok. (oh, about being ‘mad’ or pissed at each other, I think that stems from how one reads the unknown intonations of these posts; that is why i would so rather have these discussions live or FTF.  I rarely get mad ‘on line’ but sound that way likely :-P)
           
          Do you remember Louis Pasteur?  Do you remember his experiments concerning Spontaneous Generation?  If not would you be willing to read just a little to see what that implies? You can get a quick learn from Wiki…Then when you have read some of that, I will have a question or two for you.
           
          Now onto that part of my earlier question on ‘whether I or you are a beast, and if we are is there anything wrong with that given the evolutionary worldview.  Am I reading your answer correctly when I hear ‘it’s not a problem to be a beast; that it’s not ‘bad’ to be one?

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther DLF, what dmmcot was asking is if you are as you were taught part of a primordial sea of flotsam and jetsam that just stuck together because it could and somehow it grew legs and feet to crawl out and somehow it grew arms and legs, etc., etc., then where in that theory is the concept of “right” and “wrong.”  Why would some become “beasts,” while others did not?  Is “right” a genetic code that just gets put into some people and not others? That is the question as I am reading it.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @paxcat  @DonaldLaFace Pax: that is close, what I am asking is how does evolution account for there being anything either ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ if all that is, just IS.  I am asking for evolutionists to account for, at foundational level, how it is that ‘good’ or ‘bad’ is recognizable in an evolutionary worldview. I know they believe there is good and bad, I want to know where those notions come from at foundational level (in other words, they can’t borrow that from a religious source in this excercise)

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther Basically what I was saying is that if you’re a beast and don’t know it or don’t know its bad to be a beast then I’d say ‘no’..generalizing…now if it were me and I’m a cynic at times and feel we humans are mostly bad news ..then if a beast I’d think the same..it’s relative!
           
           Now as to louis Pasteur I’d have to dig out one of my books or go online and refresh my mind of his work…been long since he came into my classes.I’ll get back to you on this otherwise for anything  else I was going to move on..
           
            Yeah I love having face to face discussions ..those of us still around and close enough get together every so often,and do just that..unless you know one another real well online discussion can get confusing~you are correct!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther PAX!,,we call it science,,that’s mans study of how things became and why things are,,,,man has to do this because god is keeping it a secret!..god uses vagueries all to often and after all god did create us correct?!,,so asking would be inate for man!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Anyway read above and you’ll know,,

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace Thanks Don! Get back to me when you get a little BKG on Pasteur; look at his work on Spontaneous Generation.
           
          Just so I’m getting your thought correct, being a beast is OK, and whether I am or not is relative?  Relative to what standard? (not trying to be cynical, I am trying to dig down to the foundation, OK?)

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther I’ve got to ask where are we going with this before delving into Pasteurs work..Spontaneous Generation regards life that stems from nothing or something totally unconnected to that end result..these are usually associated with lower life forms..and these things are generally connected to the continuation of life!…now I’ll go a digging!..don

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace  @servant NOPE, read your history it was due to the Perversion of the Bible, which was kept from the people, and Rome said “Worship as I say or die!  Over 50 million did!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant I taught whirlled history to college students and post grads,,we had many conversations on all matters,,thousands of them..you think I’ve the wrong info..ONE person?..guess again..don LF

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace My hope is to get to the foundation of where ideas of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ originated.  So, I am engaging us to head ‘back’ to their foundational locations…if we can.  I want to know how we account for anything being either ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in an ideology of evolutionary biology.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomovertherYeah, remembered your saying that “after”  I’d asked..then said to myself we’re both going to be banging our heads against the wall..you may as well be asking about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle or the meaning of String Theory,,..had to nap on it,,hey I’m up for challenge!!..will get back ASAP!…don

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace I promise to be not near as technical (and boring) as Heisenberg’s drudge…plus I like to stick to basics.

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther Like DUH, DLF.  But, you do not believe in God, so what is it you are looking for and why haven’t you found it yet?

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther  I believe “don’t make me…” has asked you at what level the “good” vs. “bad” and who decides what is “good” or “bad?”  But, your belief would have to (to quote you) be “usually totally disconnected to that end result…” because there is no connection in the first place!  Did that every occur to you?  You actually write that there is no connection between a sturgeon or a pink salmon and a human (WOW!), but keep arguing that the strugeon or pink salmon or some other group of plankton plus flotsam and jetsom became an air breathing creature who not being related to a human eventually became a human.  And, you deride our faith?  To believe that you have to have far more faith than I’ve ever had!@

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Pax read our posts then you’ll get it!  what we’re looking for!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Pax leave your arguements at home..

        • paxcat

          @DonaldLaFace  @dntmkmecomoverther Getting a little testy arent’ you????  You would actually have to believe what I posited to believe in “evolution.”  And, the question still stands at what point or who decided the very first “bad” guy vs. “good” guy???

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther Who indeed!!..good point!..we’re leaving any reference to a god out of this,,btw!…back before I went full tilt Atheist,I believed there was a creator who did create said universe and that at least here on the only planet I personally know about evolution took over!

        • KentPerry

          @DonaldLaFace  @servant Donald Religion is what brought us OUT of the dark ages, specifically Christianity moron.  Yeah You’re a MORON like many other atheists that talk out both sides of their big yappin mouths.   You talk as if atheism is what brought us out of the dark ages but RELIGION is what GAVE US SCIENCE BONE HEAD! JUST BECAUSE IT HAD A ROUGH START BACK THEN DOESN’T MEAN THAT IS ALL RELIGION WAS DOING!   You talks as if Science NEVER is resistant to new paradigm’s new ideas.  Hell it took over forty years just to finally figure out Piltdown man was a fraud.   Atheists have made some particular areas of science so dogmatic, it is every bit as guilty of being off limits to any form of criticism just like it is some kind of religion.   Had it not been for Christianity, we wouldn’t HAVE a United States of America you nitwit

        • DonaldLaFace

          @KentPerry  @servant I was also a world history teacher for many years..and religion is what put us back..Many Christians are taught to deny this,,but I sir am talking as a learnered fellow and not an Atheist..I’ve colleagues who were Catholic who taught the exact same subject!!!…can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen,,and the only moron here is the one you see in your mirror! If I were A JEW and said what I taught would you then blame them?  Of all the sites I’ve visited I find this one of the worst..not because its a conservative site,,but because its really a very Christian site masquerading as a Conservative site ! and the more I talk w/ you the more Atheist I become  if that’s even possible,..actually what happens is I go from an Atheist light which means I’m respectfull of ones beliefs and not obnoxious to Atheist hard,,one you don’t want to know…..don’t reply I really don’t wish to return to this awfull place!..as I’d be compelled to reply!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @KentPerry  @servant …Kent…As an addendym to what I wrote ..I believe we’ve entered an entirely new dark age..we are incapable of telling why we’re at a constant war,why we really haven’t moved forward ,why we haven’t seen  global climate changes and our helping it along rather than slowing its progress./.so many deny its rediculous..we also allow greed to take over and is not greed one of the 7 deadly sins? ..we need another great scientific discovery to change things and move us forward!,,and making a better ipod ain’t it!

        • KentPerry

          @DonaldLaFace  @servant Hey jack ass, you can blame me for your atheism all you like but don’t tell me you’re not an atheists in the same voice you blame religion for your entire miserable life and if you don’t have enough discipline to stay away from all those evil Christians here, its not our fault, Hoss.  Seems to me, as awful as you say this place is,, it sure doesn’t stop you from coming back to spout more of your hatred of religion.   Quote:”If I were A JEW and said what I taught would you then blame them?”What, and have you call me antisemitic!  You bet your ass I would .  Nothing worse than a mouthy Jewish atheist. Religion may have been holding us back but it wasn’t till Christianity spread that we began to build Hospitals, Universities all constructs coming out of the Christian Church and that included the subcategory of Philosophy called Science.   Oh and don’t tell me what to do pal, I don’t chop chop for no one, got it Jethro

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace “Whirlled” history? History and Geography were the only studies I liked But during my school days, “SCIENCE” held earth at 3.5 billion yrs old, but today’s 4.5 B, I guess give more time to evolve! Evolution needs information {DNA for one} organic materials and chemicals, can NOT devise nor store nor “Pass-on” information! Thus this stuff is from Satan, as still another devise to drive humans away for their Creator God!
          BY all the changes to the good within me, I know God is, and that’s my proof, can you prove evolution via science?
          They have tried for over 150 years, with success, because God IS the source of all LIFE including yours!
          This your beliefs have no effect upon the truth, which by the way men say is the purpose of science, a SEARCH FOR TRUTH! Yet its filled with lies, assumptions and fraud!
          http://www.icr.org  and learn true science, by scientists who fear not the loss of their jobs!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @KentPerry  @servant Sorry! if you can’t be civil I cannot talk w/ you!..good day!

        • servant

          Donald La Face: Good Bye? Thank YOU! I can see your mind is set, in Liberal Concrete! Refuse anything new thoughts! Yet you are God’s child and Christ died for your sins also, and I just prayed and asked God to replace your stone heart with one of flesh!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant Whirled history was from an old Sat.Nite Live stint..probably before your time..but anyway..Science and what we know of the laws of Physics is ever changing as we grow..that’s what’s so interesting about it,,we study harder make things that will help us find the truth of the matter,,..you really know nothing of truth if you base everything on religion otherwise known as superstition!..I won’t further berate religion or the god your mind needs to rely on..it tells you nothing of what makes life tick!..cool down and think..try being civil as well..I cannot converse w/ Kent as he takes everything said out of it’s context ..his beliefs have no effect upon the truth!..he must berate all those who do not agree w/ his belief..if this is you as well lets not waste either’s time!…good day!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant Not for my sins..when the prophet Christ was alive I wasn’t there yet!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant Not liberal but I can say that here to the end of time but you’ll use the term thinking it’ll get under my skin..it doesn’t !..

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace spoken as a true Kool-Aid drinking liberal, stomp your feet and get angry but always avoid the question.
          As before my time? Well son, at 71 much of what passes as wisdom today, was rather silly “IN my time”!
          Regarding Israel and Palestinians, please know that in 70AD, Rome fed up with the Jews tore down this nation by murder and enslavement, and renamed it from JUDAH TO PALESTINE hence peoples of that name never existed until the Jews were gone!
          YET you TAUGHT HISTORY??????  No wonder our children know nothing!

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace  Please don ‘t tell me just how dense you are, nobody could be this and still be alive!

        • servant

          @DonaldLaFace  And still God loves you!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant Like I stated!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant I don’t have to you already think that..so run with it!!

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant You say so!

        • DRLJR

          @DonaldLaFace  @KentPerry  @servant If you are interested in a good book that covers a lot of what science is failing to consider the book by Dr Walt Brown “In the Beginning” is a good read.  In it he discusses the circular reasoning between evolution and geology and a host of other things.  It is well sourced and footnoted.  I took around a month (a few hours each day or so) to read and review things in the book.  And in it he showed how ICR’s canopy theory is mechanically/physically unsound.

        • paxcat

          @servant  @DonaldLaFace Even Darwin admitted that there was a “problem with the fossil record” of what he suggested since according to evolution there should be huge numbers of changed varieties of species.  For ex., if it took 50,000 changes to move from a sea creature to a land creature, where is the evidence?  Also, Does music evolve?Where did music come from?  Did it create itself from nothing?  Of how long did it take evolution to develop the clotting factor of blood?  For a hemophiliac, it is only 1 factor that makes clotting not work.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @DRLJR  @KentPerry  @servant Finally a voice of reason..DRLJR we’ve talked before you and I ..and while we didn’t always see eye to eye,,it was a learning experience for me,,now about the book..Yes! it came out around ’08 and my wife ordered it and read parts then I grabbed it..doing much the same..some good theories and thoughts putting ones mind to work….I can agree and not agree w/ what he believes!…but then I’m never finished w/ a good book,..thanks for bringing that up about the book..take care …don

        • DonaldLaFace

          @servant Why don’t we just drop it,,i came here not to change anyone’s beliefs! just to see what it was all about..we don’t agree ..lets just let it be,,

        • DonaldLaFace

          @paxcat  @dntmkmecomoverther pax,,who is ” don’t make me”

        • DonaldLaFace

          @dntmkmecomoverther I think I’ll have to go with those ideas of what’s right and wrong well before any religion while humankind was still in the cave,,and it advanced over time,,Pagans had rules,,look at the Ancient civilizations..When religions as we know them today came along,what was right and wrong and laws and courts were already established,,this is partly why I feel that man created the need for a true one and only all knowing god ,. ,,the bible and other holy books and religions as we progressed!…I feel you have a religious alternative for my answer..I’ll hang around long enough to hear what you have to say but quite frankly..I really don’t belong here..way to much antagonism!…don….11/30/2012..10:51 PM EST.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonaldLaFace Man, this site is a booger for finding the correct post t to which you want to respond…phew!
           
          Ok, so your premise is that Right and Wrong, or ideals of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ just ‘happened’ during an evolutionary progression?  Just want to make sure I am reading your thought here correctly.
           
          If I am hearing you correctly, then one must ask what it was in the Pagan political system, what it was that they used to identify ‘good’ vs ‘bad’.  What made anything ‘right’ or ‘wrong’?  Where did these notions of ethics originate?  I realize that communities used these ideas; my question is, ‘Where did they come from?’
           
          This process is meant to reduce the rhetoric of ‘self’ or ideology to some common denominator if you will.  There must be something at the foundational level which helps explain ‘who’ we are and ‘why’ we are.
           
          If evolution is true, and you and I are no more than matter with no life at the beginning, having somehow turned into ‘life’ by random, elemental, purposeless, non directed evolution, then we would have no purpose, no morals and no reason to live (in a teleological sense).  Pagan cultures which you mention did live by a set of rules/codices; we have seen that as far back as Hammurrabi.  The question begged still, is ‘Where did these sets of morals come from?’
           
          In the evolutionary model, there is no accounting for a moral mind; only survival.  So if I am bigger than you, then I can either own you, kill you or eat you (that’s what the animal kingdom does all the time).  Why don’t humans do that?  Further, what would be ‘wrong’ with us doing that, given the evolutionary worldview?

    • Jesse03

      @DonaldLaFace Have known Ray Downen for 60 years and don’t think nutcase is a fair or accurate descriptive name to apply to him.  I suspect you don’t know any real nutcases or you wouldn’t be totally confused here.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Jesse03 I’ve known a number of people for lots of years and some of them are nutcases,,now to move on..you weren’t going round and round w/ him as I was..he wasn’t always that nice with me either,,go back read everything we discussed,.,after awhile of having to repeat over and over the same thing he’s calling me ( non-derogatory) I get sick of it..I don’t like being preached to on a constant basis,,putting aside I’m a Atheist in the first place. I was just not having the same relation w/ him a stranger as you a friend of many years!!..Sorry we can’t please everyone,,!

    • Ray Downen

      @DonaldLaFace At least I can spell and think logically, which some are not gifted to do. God made this world and will one day soon destroy it. Meanwhile He offers life to all who seek Him through His unique Son Jesus.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @Ray Downen Lets not discuss!  we don’t see eye to eye in any area and quite frankly I find you a broken record pain in the arse!….yes!,,arse!

    • Evermyrtle

      @DonaldLaFace The broken record is because Christians sing praises every time we lead someone from the gates of hell. Big problem, I would 99% say what you say, “broken record or don’t try to cram it down my throat or …………………….. BUt the 1 % is worth all of our efforts, if it more than 1% that is even better and wonderful news

  • Randy Odegaard

    To Donald LaFace, you say there is no God and no life after death and that Jesus was just a prophet.  All I can say is won’t you be surprised when you die and Jesus looks at you and says, “I don’t know you”, and you get to spend an eternity in hell, but I do pray for you to one day, as they say, “see the light.”

    • DonaldLaFace

      @dangerousman Should that be the case your creator is going to be awfully busy..since I’m but one of billions who don’t think like you!…

  • Chief Al

    Everyone is missing the main issue!  In America, we still have THREE (3) equal branches of government at the state level as well as national level. A system of checks and balances. Should one over-step its boundaries, the other(s) have the power to bring the “abuse” of power to a stop. IMPEACHMENT being the last resort! However, in this case, the people of Arizona must insist to their legislators that IMPEACHMENT be the only solution! IF THIS KIND OF ACTION IS ALLOWED TO GO UN-ANSWERED, THE PRECIDENT WILL BE DISASTROUS FOR AMERICA!

    • DonaldLaFace

      @Chief Al Good thought!

  • paxcat

    Chief Al, That’s all fine and well, but it depends upon how this Judge was seated in the first place.  Could be he was elected by the people – well they just vote him out next time, or if he was appointed by the Gov., then Gov. removes, but he could be a federal Judge in which case the state has no jurisdiction.  What people should do is write letters to editor exposing the practice of Sharia law within the AZ court system!

    • JuneGagnon

      @paxcat If unhappy with the actions of any judge – -people can file a complaint with the states “board of judicial conduct”  and “press the issue”!

      • DonaldLaFace

        @JuneGagnon  @paxcat pax why not just find this judge and berate him by repeticiously quoting scripture!

    • DonaldLaFace

      @paxcat Judges aren’t elected by the people..they’re elected from within!!..I did a lot of reference work w/ NJ’S ACLU,…learned a great deal and made some good friends!

  • servant

    DRL JR.  Well I know not your levels of interest, but if you desire the truth…..>
     
    http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org      in the search bar type Revolutions,Tyrant and wars. Then The Battle of the Bibles, then A Lamp onto the Dark. and or the “Man behind the Mask and or Secret Societies. That will put you in the know, and may God choose to bless thee and thine.     ^j^ ^j^ ^j^ {the 3 Angels of Rev. 14.]
    I am hearing little chirps about the next “NEW TRANSLATION will NOT have the Book of Revelations of Jesus Christ in i9t !  Have you heard this?  jb

    • Evermyrtle

      @servant I do not know who is trying to take Revelation out of the Bible but it has been going on for a while. I believe it is too plain and too truthful for most people who don’t care about the truth. There is information in Revelation that is nowhere else in the Bible It is sad but that is the group whose opinions count and whose opinion they listen to.This would be like “gutting the bible”.To do that would bring on the ire of GOD, I believe.

    • DRLJR

      @servant No.  But I have been out of the loop.  But people don’t like facing facts or real history so it is the type of things Progressives/Leftist would do.

  • DonaldLaFace

    Since we’ve altered the original story at least into 3 other subjects I’ll just toss this in..The UN w/ 138 other countries proclaimed Palestine a state,,,,in spite of Nay’s from the USA and Israel…to me that’s great ,,to you? maybe not!..have fun with it!!…I’m only going to visit for one!..

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @DonaldLaFace I dunno Don, I am thinking this is not good.  I have watched with great interest, the events of the Middle East since 1967.  The Arab community has perpetuated this refugee/palestinian camp for decades without providing any method to those people to assimilate to any of many other Arab nations…and it surely is not due to economics, as the Arabs are oil rich.  So the rational for this lack of help is evidently political/religious: they want Israel driven off the face of the globe.
       
      As Israel is the USA’s closest ally in that area, giving ‘palestine’ a seat at the UN would be akin to giving ACORN a seat in Congress.  I am thinking this is not going to fare well for either Israel or the US.  Those other 138 countries are aligned with the Arab/Muslim factions for the most part; and those who are not are not aligned religiously with Israel so take an apposing position toward Israel.
       
      My fear is that this will set up the dominos for a war which could escalate into a world war.

      • DonaldLaFace

        @dntmkmecomoverther Well for starters not all Arabs are oil rich..the nomadic Palestnean is no different than the Nomadic Tauregs of Western Sahara except that during WWII the Tauregs helped the Nazi,,whereas the Palestinean didn’t but got the worst end of the stick (The Taureg got a car named after them) by losing their lands to the Israeli backed by both America and the Britts..if you’ll read more you’ll find that many of the 138 backing countries have no real ties w/ Arab countries and that the Arab countries saw this as a way to try and iniciate peace in the region..Allowing the Apartheid practicing Israelli to have its land,,etc etc,,I kinda knew through experience of Conservative thinking that it wouldn’t sit well,,it sits well w/ me,,I wrote this news in, to get it out!!…I was in a terrible war for 49 months I don’t like wars for anyone..!..what man does to man is bad enough..do we need more?..and why?
         
        To let it go as it was, was simply asking for war…we are doing to end up w/ war anyway due to other ever more important things!..one of survival on a life changing planet!

        • Ray Downen

          @DonaldLaFace  War is inevitable with “Palestine” being declared a nation when it’s no nation at all. The refugees in Gaza do not have a self-sustaining economy nor any record of nationality. They are ruled by bandits and their only plan is to steal what Israel has built and can maintain. A war will result in Israel having to take control of the land which the all-wise have called Palestine. This shouldn’t surprise anyone familiar with Islam. No freedom. No future. No hope except to die while killing unbelievers. They deserve to be a nation exactly as much as Iran deserves to have a nuclear bomb. We need to expel the UN from its home on U.S.A. soil, and quit funding it.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @DonaldLaFace You are right. Land owned by Israel was a wasteland  and the Zionist worked and built it up to be once of the most valuable piece of land in the world. The Palestinians did not want it until Israel improved it so much. In my opinion if the Palestinians did get it, the value would begin to drop because they would do not nothing to improve it but would take away from but not add anything to it.This was prophesied in Isaiah 51:3 For GOD shall comfort Zion: HE will comfort all her waste places; and HE will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanks giving and the voice of melody.
           
          The claim it belonged ever to the Palestinians is nothing but false reports. It was given to Israel thousands of years ago by GOD.

        • DonaldLaFace

          @Ray Downen Geez I wonder why.!.you have any idea what a Palestinean must go through to work..It’s disgusting!..for a pastor or man of god I believe, and smart man..you know very little about the history of the land etc.and very little tolerance..Hell I tolerate far more than you and I’m a lowly Atheist…You and I got off on the wrong foot..so lets agree to not agree!

  • DrProTruth

    I’ve been researching the Arab/Israeli conflict for over five years now. I have written an academic paper on the subject, have been to Israel three times researching the subject, have interviewed dozens of Muslims, Jews, Christians, ex-Muslims who are now Christians, and Messianic Jews in Israel as well as the United States–including academic leaders, political leaders, religious leaders and the average person on the street on both sides of the issue–and have produced a national television special called “Change the Heart Change the World” scheduled to air this month, have produced a four-week curriculum on the very subject, and am currently writing a dissertation on the subject: “Whose Land Is It? An Examination of the ownership of the Land of Israel and the three major world religions that claim their roots in this Land, and how Christianity may serve as the broker of Peace in the Middle East.” Through my research I have discovered the political rhetoric and misinformation the average American believes about the Israelis and the Palestinian-Arabs boggles the mind.
     
    Palestine did not even exist until AD 135 when Hadrian, the then Emperor of Rome, conquered the Jews in the Jewish revolt against Rome Hadrian renamed the region Palaestina in an effort to blot out Judea from the annals of history. The irony is the Jews still living in the region would be considered the original Palestinians, if there were such a thing. The Arabs would not occupy this region five centuries later when they conquered the Byzantines in AD 638.
     
    The region went under Damascus rule during the Ottoman Empire, and the name Palestine was revived by the British Mandate after WWI and the ultimate fall of the Ottoman Empire. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1917 Rothschild gave a portion of Palestine as a homeland to the Jewish nation who had been dispersed among the nations with no nation of its own for many centuries.
     
    My research reveals Jews, Muslims and Christians alike are victims of radicalism, and of radical Islam terrorism in particular, where life and limb are threatened if people from all three factions resist their radical agenda of world domination. In some ways, the average Muslim living in the Holy Land is more the victim than other factions as they live under the constant rule of radical Islam terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood et al. and are pawns of the political rhetoric of radical Islam, which research reveals is drastically different from the mainstream religion of Islam.
     
    The goal of radical Islam–according to Muhammad’s teachings in the Qur’an–is that the entire world be under the banner of Islam and they will stop short of nothing to achieve this goal. Under world domination of Islam Sharia Law would be the rule of the day. The only non-Muslims allowed to live in an Islam-dominated society under Sharia Law are dhimmi class citizens–they who are of another monotheistic religion i.e. Jew or Christian and agree to live under Islam and practice their own religion, not in public but only in the privacy of their own home. The “dhimmis” would pay a special surtax to the government of Islam, would have no rights under Sharia Law, and all their property would be confiscated and owned by the government as dhimmis are not allowed to own anything.
     
    One of the primary misconceptions lies in the term “peace.” On one side, peace looks like co-existence, while on the other side, peace looks like the entire world under Islam saying “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad his prophet.” Under UN Resolution 242 Israel agreed to give back much of the land they gained during the ’67 Six Day War, but Islam’s answer to this resolution addressed in the Kartoom Resolution of 1967 was an astonishing “No Peace with Israel, No Negotiation with Israel, No Acceptance of Israel.” And this is the stance of radical Islam toward Israel to this day.
     
    Although life in Israel is not perfect, it is a democracy and as such, the Muslim people have many freedoms their Muslim friends and family do not experience living in Gaza and the West Bank in the region. Because of this, many many Muslims “vote with their feet” by preferring to live in Israel under Israeli law over against living under the heavy hand of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.