Why Bother With Congress When You Make 66 Regulations a Day?


Last week someone wrote about Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) warning that President Obama was using regulations to kill the economy and everything good about America.  Evidently, Sen. Inhofe’s warning was just the tip of the iceberg.

I don’t know if Obama was preparing to enact as much legislation as he could before possibly losing the election or what, but a new report out states that in the last 90 days, the Obama administration has posted 5,932 regulations.  This amounts to a whopping 68 per day for 90 days.

While many of these are ‘proposed’ regulations, that’s not to say that they won’t become reality, but in all likelihood, Obama and his band of thieves will find a way to implement the vast majority of them.

So what are all of these regulations?

One has to do with the restriction of volatile organic compound emissions resulting from agricultural coatings.

Another involves placing rules on the FDA involved with their enforcement of certain criteria for ackee products.  Ackee or achee is a member of the soapberry family.  It originated in tropical West Africa but was introduced years ago into Jamaica where it became the national fruit.  Un-ripened sections of the fruit contain a toxin known as hypoglycin and the proposed regulation is geared at enforcing stricter rules to ensure that only safe ackee products are approved for consumption.

Some involve fishing rules for coastal waters, another to change the rules involved in the testing procedures of electric refrigerators and freezers.  Another rule has to do with the airworthiness of several different air craft engines.

I scanned through a number of pages online and was amazed at the number of different rules and rule proposals and the wide array of topics they covered.  I don’t have time to look through every single rule, proposed rule and notices that they have posted.  But as Sen. Inhofe pointed out, stuck in the middle of so many mundane rules and notices are some that only serve to place more restrictions on Americans, on business, on the economy and on jobs.  Some will reduce our military prowess by cutting fighter jets and cargo transport planes.

One has to wonder if anyone is really paying attention to them all and what all the Obama administration will try to hide in their midst.  It wouldn’t surprise me to find issues ranging from gun control to immigration to restrictions of various constitutional rights.  At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised by anything this administration tries to pull.







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  • Glenn

    Good job liberals you will have a ticket to the third world right along with the rest of us.

  • remesquaddie

    Executive Orders .= FATWA from the muslim in charge.

  • JerryMorgan

    I don’t know who wrote this but I couldn’t agree more. I hope Liberals remember as they read this, You did it to yourselves and Bush had nothing to do with it. You were warned. A child or those with the mentality of a child will never believe the jolt of an electrical outlet until they stick their finger in it. Welcome to the jolt.
    Jerry Morgan
    To whom it may concern:
    Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it. The next terrorist attack you own it. Can’t get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama’s EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico, trouble getting good health care, higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. Our allies mistrust, no budget, another trillion of debt every year, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, more dependency on food stamps, more families below the poverty line, you own it. Trouble finding good employment, several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it. A World Government, you own it. The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is “Dead on Arrival”, you own it. China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known in the past, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it. Less take home pay, higher taxes and higher living costs, you own it. Driving a car that looks/feels like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies upon lies, you own it. More encouragement of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Your revenge instead of love of country, racism from the top, you own it. President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good day. God bless the United States and Texas! God is our only hope now. -Anonymous

    • Papabstr

      @JerryMorgan
       He or they will still be blaming bush for the majority of problems. Wait and see!

      • DrProTruth

        @Papabstr  @JerryMorgan Of course, they’ll still blame Bush! The Democratic Party is the Party of PeeWee Herman: “I know you are but what am I” is their answer to everything! According to Obama, he has made no mistakes and has no regrets for anything decision he has made as faux-president! And the MSM have his back 100% which makes this man all but invincible!!! You can accuse, you can give all the evidence on any given law he has broken and nobody even pays attention because, if it’s not important enough for the MSM to cover, then it can’t be important at all! How brainwashed our society has become, and as we continue to ignore all the warning signs, we lose more and more freedom everyday!

    • k2vi

      @JerryMorgan EXCELLENT. UNFORTUNATLEY WE WILL NOT OWN IT BUT WE WILL FEEL IT. GREAT READ AND VERY ACCURATE. THANKS.

  • Coldcowboy

    More shit from the killer in chief.

  • Hangen

    I for one don’t need all the changes that they are making you would think we wouldn’t be able to survive it weren’t for the gov. and all the regulations to protect use.

  • cliffco

    Whenever the truth comes Obama will be impeached.

    • ladyceo

      @cliffco
       We can only wish, cliffco!

      • bennitchi

        @ladyceo  @cliffco Wishing isn’t going to do it.  
         
        Michael

    • HowardPettyjohn

      But who is going to initiate it ?  I haven’t found one congressman in the house that will consider it.

  • ladyceo

    Can’t Congress stop this????

    • chief1937

      @ladyceo
       They show no attempt to do so guess they are just as bad

  • HowardPettyjohn

    The report was that the Democrats wrote an average of 66.6 bills every day for 90 days in case Obama lost the election.  And the report I gave was about Senator Coburn of Oklahoma.  He is known as Dr No in Congress because he has always been against wasteful spending.  He has not only shown where the wastefulness is he showed them how to solve or stop it.  The reply was basicly; That isn’t enough to make a difference, so forget it.
    We have some pretty sick folks playing leaders in our government.  Sen Coburn has many reports like this and all have been ignored and by both parties and presidents.  Thanks anyway Dr. Coburn, you tried.

  • chris5678

    Obama may be impeached but convicting him is going to be next to impossible with a Democratic SENATE and Harry Reid.  He has committed many crimes to impeached for, so hard to believe he could be elected one time much less re-elected when people know what he is now.  That little meeting with the Russian should have sealed his defeat.  Think many votes were stolen.

    • bennitchi

      @chris5678 Do you really give a dam if we can or can not  convict him?  just get him the hell out of the white house is good enough for me.  Get him the hell out before he does any more damage, and he has great intention of do all the destruction he can while he still can
       
      Michael

    • todays_only_hope

      @chris5678 But the problem is, is that people don’t know what he is doing.  They refuse to believe anything bad about the guy.  He can tell any lie he wishes, take away as many rights as he wants and tell them it is for their betterment, and they will believe it.  So, we will lose our right to protect ourselves, as they don’t want us to have guns to defend ourselves or our families, he will brainwash the school and college age into serving for him in his community protection services, he will no longer support Israel, he will have all the nation working for the government instead of the government working for the people,  then he will have total control. 
      That is the leftwing aim of things, and half of our nation are foolish enough to believe, he is a great president, and he is doing great things.  What a delusional nation of people we have become.  It will lead to our destruction.

  • Erika

    why hasn’t America paid attention to this president at all? He is getting away with so many unconstitutional rules, he implements. In my opinion this means only one thing, DICTATORSHIP!

  • salleeann

    Come on guys—Give the knuckle dragger a break.  After all, he’s only three generations out of the bush.  And his snuff lipped mate is only two out.

    • WakeUP please

      @salleeann I do not like what is happening with this administration by any means, but your comments are offensive. They distract from the issues. I hope that it is frustration that has led you to communicate in this way, and I want to challenge you to stop this kind of language, and be more constructive with your passions.

      • bennitchi

        Who are you talking about?,  Nothing that is being said is strong enough for what this stupid jerk is doing to our country.   Am I racist?   Hell yes I am.   you see I am not afraid of you loud mouths who are afraid to say what you feel because you are afraid of being called a racist   Jessie  Jackson, Al  Sharpton , and Rev Wright, have made me one. This country is going to hell because a black man who doen’t know a dam thing about running a country or a tiny business for that matter is out to destroy our great country and we the American people are to dam lazy or stupid to do a dam thing about it.
         
        Michael

        • autonomous 1

          @bennitchi  Right on, Brnnitchi!

      • RivahMitch

        @salleeann If you’re offended, leave. Personally, I’m just buying more ammo. Semper Fi!

        • StanSwenson

          Who would have thought that a Marxist president would be the one to make lead as valuable as gold. Alchemists have failed at this for centuries. Hopefully one of the many scandals will finally stop this madness. Opps, I forgot- he’s a liberal. ie. immune.
            @RivahMitch  @salleeann

        • RivahMitch

          @StanSwenson  @salleeann Great Point, Stan;-)

  • Rose Palmer

    @ Can you believe what Obama is is trying to do now & will probably succeed? This person is out to destroy America, I have said it before & will continue to say it. My hope, we will be able to unseat him ASAP before he does anymore damage to our once great, gifted, free America. We are living in fear from our own country! The people that voted him in will see the day they emphatically regret it.

  • Poor

    Erika – It is simple – the last election was determined by the color of the skin and how much welafre you are getting from the Govt.  It had nothing to do with the “Agenda” Obama has.

  • Rose Palmer

    Can you believe what Obama is is trying to do now & will probably succeed? This person is out to destroy America, I have said it before & will continue to say it. My hope, we will be able to unseat him before he does anymore damage to our once great, gifted, free America. We are living in fear from our own leader! The people that voted him in will see the day they emphatically regret it.@

    • bennitchi

      No I am sorry they won’t because 90% of them are too dam lazy  to do a dam thing themselves and only want what that black man will do for them ”  give them food stamps and government  welfare  So we are stuck with a black president who wants to destroy the USA  and a country of lazy asses who don’t want to do anything

      • autonomous 1

        @bennitchi  — the word is “damn” or “damned”.

  • http://yahoo.com/ NVD

    obama voters are the trash of this country, welfare breeding SOBs illegal breeding SOBs dead from the neck up SOBs and the filth of those hollywood scum.

  • trustygma

    I will never support obama, He is the fall of America.

  • Howdy Doody Conservative

    The obonga is just wrong for America. He is more suited for Kenya or Libya.

    • bennitchi

      @Howdy Doody Conservative You got that right. he is totally worthless   but the worse part he is going to get worse

    • panors77

      @Howdy Doody Conservative    More suited for North Korea actually, but there’s that pesky guy in the dictator’s chair already, LOL.

  • Brabado

    I find it hard to believe that, after so many People of the Free Republic of the United States,  Voted to  re-elected Comrade Obama to another 4 years - so it is said –  everyone is acting surprised…even in shock! 
     
    We have, what we deserve!  Yet, the best is yet to come: be patient.
     
    Don’t you find it pitiful our Great Country has become a Nation of liers, cheaters and free loaders?
     
    First, in 2008,  everyone voted for CHANGE and now, in 2012,   the same crowd, Voted for SUBMISSION…
     
    GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

    • Ladybug2948

      He did not get re-elected; large scale voter fraud was commited in many places. This is the most fraudulent, illegal s-called head of government this country has, over the past 4 years and again now. There has never been anything legal about this POS. he has usurped power then and now.  He wants to rule this country and decimate it because ha hates the USA and its real people. The lazy moochers are only used by him and they don;t even know it.

    • autonomous 1

      @Brabado —and you don’t think there might have been some fraudulent  commissions in this election?

    • Daniel from TN

      @Brabado He was reelected via voter fraud. Here is a list of the KNOWN methods of voter fraud used in 2012.
      1. People arrive at their polling station to vote and are turned away. Election officials tell them “You already voted by absentee.”
      2. More votes that the number of registered voters. Many counties around the country have reported this.
      3. Voters known to be illegal aliens allowed to register and vote.
      4. Voting machine “malfunctions” favoring obama.
      5. Suppression of military absentee voting. Many soldiers have reported contacting their hometown election commission office multiple times about obtaining an absentee ballot, but receiving no reply.
      6. And the biggest fraud tactic of all; allowing someone who is not even a US citizen (obama) to run for office.

    • Rodger Higgins

      @Brabado What makes you think people are in shock because the voting was rigged by the liberals? There is no way on God’s green earth that cities can have 108,000 votes with a population of 92,000. No way cities can have 148% voter turnout. This was fixed and they know it so they won’t allow recounts or checks.

    • panors77

      @Brabado   MORE  than “4 years” .   I think this “comrade” is setting himself up for dictatorship.

      • Pat78

        @panors77  @Brabado I don’t think so.  They are grooming several to attempt to take his place in 2016–people like gov. of Mass, mayor of San ANtonion Julian Castro and his twin brother Joaquim  who was just elected to the U.S. House.

        • panors77

          @Pat78  @Brabado   You watch……he’ll find a way to end the term limit, then it’s all bets off.  We have seen our last “election” if you want to call it that.

  • SalSantos

    salleeann
    Three generations out of the bush? Give yourself a reality check.. He still has the mentality of the tribal man wanting US to live a communal life. Not himself, but US. Besides, his mind betrays him constantly, because as we all know, he can not cure himself from the obsession of the other Bush. (George W.)

  • howardw

    and David Letterman is a big Obama fan. we need to boycott his night show and tell people not to watch that idiot. He makes me sick just like Heil Obama

    • autonomous 1

      @howardw He used to be a comedian but now is brain dead from the socialist kool-ade..

    • Rodger Higgins

      @howardw We need to boycott anything to do with Hollywood, Letterman, Mahr and the other liberal socialist Obama lovers.

    • Pat78

      @howardw Boycotting his sponsors will be more effective.

  • Budmanr

    Interesting article, however, you present no suggestions regarding how to fight these regulations.  It’s time to educate the public regarding methods to fight the bureaucracy and its regulations

  • patriot999

    Go to the FEMA.gov site and see the report on the FEMA Youth.  FEMA has graduated its first class of FEMA Youth 261 skulls full of mush! FEMA is training “youth” between 18 -25 to help support FEMA in the cases of national disasters, sounds like a good idea – right?  Why does one link show members of the first graduating class, with their FEMA uniforms on, ———— hold automatic assualt rifles??????

  • ColleenFontenot

    Uh, did anyone see who got the invitation to the White House today? AFL-CIO, SEIU, NEA, etc, and others like Moveon.org, Center for Progress, etc.  Just a little “beer summit” for all the union thugs and the socialists/communists……………………..his tried and true friends.
    Be afraid, folks, be very afraid.

    • Gary M

      @ColleenFontenot Yes, and the US Chamber of Commerce was NOT invited…Moveon.org and “Center for Progress” are nothing more than Socialist oganizations. They wouldn’t do well if they called themselves the American Communist Party so they  pick names that seem to imply a favorable position…  If Obama really wanted to solve this countries economic problems, he would have business people as part of the mix.

      • panors77

        @ColleenFontenot   Same like the term “progressive”.   Just a psuedonem for communist.

  • Nottakenyan

    Awaiting approval—————–is there still a First Amendment???

  • jsbrodhead

    One can still hope for fire and brimstone to bury the white OUT house, while all our domestic enemies are gathered together in a cave, grooving with the BS-Barry.

  • cajunliberty7

    Regulations to control us.  Regulations to discourage us.  Regulations to get more money from us.  Regulations to make us more dependent upon government.  Regulations, regulations, regulations.

  • Raez

    he’s paving the way to dictorship…….it’s gonna come if we don’t find a way to stop him from doing it…….we need a strong strong  repucblican  side of the table now and I am sure we don’t have that.  God help us…..please

    • autonomous 1

      @Raez  going to!

  • schwartz42

    Took the time to read comments.  I agree this guy is horrible.  I look for Obama to join sweet willie on the road to impeachment.  look at the problems he is facing: financial cliff/Benghazi/Drone/48 states want to leave union/corrupt/people thinking he stole election which he did, business screaming about obamacare.  This guy used to have wiggle room now people will scream.  We want a new somg   bye bye Obama

    • CPB

      @schwartz42
       I agree that Obama needs to go but we should have voted him out because Biden would have gone with him.  If we impeach BHO now, we get Biden.  Not really certain that is an improvement……..

  • Distinguished and wise

    Obama has got to go….By any means necessary…

    • Rodger Higgins

      @Distinguished and wise  Amen! ANY MEANS POSSIBLE

  • DubbleM

    Obama is purposely destroying America as a closet Muslim.

    • Pat78

      @DubbleM Speculations that he’s a Russian mole.  I’m going with that one.  There are many Russian Muslims too.

    • Louise101

      @DubbleM Yes he is PURPOSELY DESTROYING AMERICA! It’s called The UN AGENDA 21 PLAN. GOOGLE it and then you will know all you nned to know. It’s been around for 60 plus yrs just not called that and you will SEE PROOF it’s true after reading all you can. Start here, GOOGLE: ‘Tom DeWeese Agenda 21″ then Search on YouTube, “Agenda 21′. See YOU FUTURE – ONE WORLD ORDER – GLOBALISM (dirty word people – like others such as: Smart Growth, Smart Meters, Substainabilty Development, GLOBAL this, GLOBAL that, FORWARD (Hitlers word), etc

  • mickeymike2

    Obama has been very successful in dividing the country. He’s divided us into 3 segments. Blacks in center cities and are on welfare, whites who think the world is all roses and we should all be dancing in the flower garden, and those of who know there is no such thing as a free lunch and who are tired of buying lunch for those who don’t want to work. Unfortunately the first two groups out number those of us in the third group. So we have to face the fact that, unless something dramatic happens, we’re going to be stuck pulling the cart for the rest of our lives or until America simply crumbles. We lose all of our industry and become a third world country where everyone is improverished. Here’s a couple of ideas . . . stop giving those of welfare more money each time they have a child, while providing free birth control to those who work. Stop allowing our politicians to more jobs for union workers in the government sector who earn more, have more benefits, and better/earlier retirement than those in work in private industries that create the wealth that our governments spend. And finally stop this nonsense of having career politicians. No more earmarks. One bill one purpose so that those of us who are paying the bills know exactly what the bill says, what it’s going to cost. No riders, no hidden parts, no more BS.

    • JC1929

      That is just what Rush was intimating from the start of this man’s first election And he has proven it!

  • Distinguished and wise

    I’ll bet a dime to a donut that there is going to have to be a civil war to get this idiot out of office….Bring it on..We need to get rid of a few radicals and deadbeats anyway.

  • todays_only_hope

    I heard a report on VCY America this morning that said reports are in saying that more military personnel are dying by suicide than by attacks in other countries, and the numbers average one a day.  That isn’t worth reporting on national news is it? How many people know about that?
    Okay, then we have all this “transparency?” 
    Once again, chaplains are not allowed to pray in the name of Jesus, our first chaplain from the ELCA married the first gay couple in a military chapel and she was proud of the fact that she could do that. 
    You have no idea the depth this president is going to, to destroy our nation, and half the people in this nation think he is doing a great job?  That’s just awesome isn’t it?

  • JoeLarson

    little Adolph is at it again!   Time for his reign to end.  This country and the world will not survive Obama!

  • The Scotsman

    This Regulation crap is Our Great Benefactor and Leaders way of by-passing the Law Of The Land method of doing business.  He wants ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the citizens of America. Using this method of by-passing Congress, Our Great One has the Gun To Our Head and is ready to pull the trigger. It is so obvious what he is doing . He is standing on a box and “Giving Us The Finger” and laughing the whole time.
     
    Our Great One is a disgrace to our country. Notice I said “Our Country”. Read it as “HIS DICTATORSHIP CONTROLED COUNTRY”! This CRAP has got to Stop Now!  Wake up Congress and Citizens of America, put the halt to this Garbage. Come on Congress, do your job and put a lid on Obobbleheads antics! DO IT NOW!

    • Louise101

      The Scotsman: CONGRESS is Part of the PLAN of DESTRUCTION of the U.S. . After you read the UN AGENDA 21 PLAN,  YOU WILL see what I’m talking about. PROOF, that’s its been happening for 60 plus yrs.
      GOOGLE: ‘Tom DeWeese Agenda 21″ then SEARCH on Youtube ‘Agenda 21.
      VOTE OUT ALL your Senators and REPS in 2015, etc. Stop thinking they are on your side. Get informed on The UN AGENDA 21 and you will KNOW “ALL” You need to know!

  • DrEvil

    So how is it that a government entity with appointed leaders can make regulations (laws) with no over site?

    • Quiet4toolong

      @DrEvil Everyone is afraid to say anything for fear of being called racist. Or a Birther, or fear for their life from the thugs that follow him and got him in office. Chicago Organized Grimm at its best

      • Louise101

        Quiet4toolong: It’s MORE about The UN Agenda 21  PLAN. It’s been in the U.S. for 60 plus yrs now started by THE COMMUNIST PARTY USA, ifiltrated EVERYTHING in governemnt, currently in the white house and the Muslim Brotherhood has jumped on board and they both are in the White House and Congress. GOOGLE: “Tom DeWeese Agenda 21″ and go to YouTube and Search ‘Agenda 21′. It’s YOUR FUTURE!

  • maskil

    You people who voted him back in, will now see the real Obama, you will be speaking arab or muslim within 10 years. I hope you will be happy.

    • rockcut

      @maskil
       YOUR COMMENT IS BOTH FOOLISH AND IGNORANT.

      • Quiet4toolong

        @rockcut @maskil

      • Quiet4toolong

        @rockcut. Your blind observation will earn you a seat next his holiness BHO! Fool.

      • guest18

        @rockcut @maskil – You were labeled as an Obot a long time ago. You refuse to see things going on right in front of you because you have been brainwashed by your messiah. In stead of worrying about the future of our country, you blindly continue to protect and promote his every action. You are definitely part of the problem!!

      • swampfox

        @rockcut  @maskil rockgut, it looks like you are a minority here.

      • Tomk777

        @rockcut @maskil As the government administrator of this site, I’ll have to ask you to respond in Aribic
        Thank you

      • ski9826

        @rockcut  
        His comment is neither foolish nor ignorant. Maybe “you people” doesn’t include you or me individually, but he did get voted back in, nonetheless. Power was not seized by force…(By farce maybe)

        • RedStateGrams

          @ski9826  @rockcut
           I would not say he got legally voted in…Odds of 29 full precincts in Phile voting all for o is statistically impossible…improbable at best.

  • rockcut

    What is the point?  To have no regulations at all.  That does not make sense to me.   Also, let me point out that the regulations offered are for every department of governament.  66 a day seems more than reasonable.  We need good solid regulations that help and protect people.  All regualtions should be continuied to be reveiwed and bad and outdated regulations should be eliminated.  This is an ongoing process.

    • swampfox

      @rockcut Don’t we have enough regulations NOW???

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @rockcut Are you completely ignorant of the EXISTING regulations?

    • PFC Bryant

      @rockcut Yes but I have read some of these regulations and they verge on destroying the first and second amendments which is something we can not allow to happen unless we all want to end up being overwhelmed and surpassed by foreign powers as the world leader.

    • Tomk777

      @rockcut You have to be kidding, 5900 regulations in 90 days is a GOOD thing? It’s not like we didn’t have millions of regulations already in place, and millions of laws as well, it’s to the point that the average so called law abiding citizen violates a couple hundred laws a week and doesn’t even know it. You MUST be a liberal if you think this kind of red tape and crap is good for business, commerce, and private sector jobs.

    • tlc8310

      @rockcut You sound like an orifice passing gas! Look what the EPA has done to the economy and the power grab they’ve made. You’re either naieve or a real democrat that is incapable of thinking for himself.

    • cagey calhoun

      @rockcut
      rockcut – wait till he tells you when and what you can put in your toilet or how you ca retrieve it

    • Louise101

      rockcut: No offense but you are NOT paying attention. These REGULATIONS, 900 so far, NOT counting the Addional ones in this Above article) and Obama’s EO’s (Executive Orders) are DEADLY to YOUR RIGHTS, Liberty, FREEDOM,  Money, JOBS, Property, Food Supply, etc. Please GOOGLE ‘Tom DeWeese Agenda 21″ AND Search on YouTube: “Agenda 21″ to get up to date ‘what is happening’,’ what will happening’ and ‘what YOUR future looks like”. It’s been going on for 60 years plus, infiltrated at the beginning by “THE COMMUNIST PARTY USA”. Currently THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD has jumped on board and ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE! We are AlMOST there, could be tomorrow, next year or 2014. We ARE near the END, just one CRISIS, it’s here to stay!

    • MYS77

      Regulations are another way of saying the government thinks you are stupid and can’t operate on your own merits and common sense that they have to instruct you like a child on how to do anything. This is ridiculous, insulting, and is why government is completely incompetent and slow. The people sitting behind the desk must be dumber than a rock and just as dense.

  • Sgt York

    I am very glad that I for one never Voted for this dumb ass. He by the end of the next four years will have put America into a tailspin that we cannot pull out of, Sad but American youth,blacks,some whites and Mexicans have stood up for the end of Our beloved America

    • Pat78

      @Sgt York I think that’s what many of them wanted thinking a “Post” America will be more to their likings.  Sadly mistaken and sadly brainwashed in their attempts to find happiness.

  • fwiw

    It’s a lot; most are stupid; is it out of line with the number proposed in the past?  I’d like to know that.

  • Ron1007

    Regulations are needed but not when they are designed to circumvent the legislative process. The EPA for example has issued about 10,000 regs. Many of which were never intended to become law or policy. So, what does Congress do – NOTHING!! The fools should write legislation that requires that before full implementation that those changes, regs, policies that are written into the bill should be reviewed again by Congress to insure the intent is there and that they do not substantially change the legislation. Congress does not read the legislation it passes, but in order to insure what they voted for happens, change the process. If you don’t – the next 4 years will be a living hell.

    • ski9826

      @Ron1007 
      Ha, Yes, more legislation, that’s what we need. I’d rather they cut about half that stuff out of there and get back to basics.

  • fordfool

    One thing to remember about “regulations & control..”
    A leader who wants to “control people” must be AFRAID of them…
    and, for good reason.      It’s the people, thru Congress,  who allow the Pres certain rights…and, no one else.
    WAKE UP CONGRESS

    • Louise101

      This is ALL about “The UN AGENDA 21 PLAN’. Look it up, Google it. The Communist Party USA infiltrated EVERY Part of Government, NOW they are IN CHARGE and IN GOVERNMENT. The Destruction of America started 60 plus years ago. Get informed and in the KNOW of what is coming down the pipe…….to start GOOGLE: “Tom DeWeese Agenda 21″ and Search on YouTube ‘Agenda 21′. You will SEE YOUR Future! We’re DOOMED. We WILL have to LITERY FIGHT Our way back to FREEDOM, LIBERTY and OUR Rights.  
      Obama REGIME has created 900 REGULATIONS so far by the way…..

      • Pat78

        @Louise101 Then what are we waiting for?  For the communists to gain more of a lead on us?  They are growing their armies brainwashing our children as we attempt to negotiate with evil.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      @fordfool You are right.  “We the people elected these fools to Congress to represent us, not the other way around.” I lived in France for 8 years and I tried to warn friends and family, state side, about than, Senator Little o, but to no avail. Two years ago, I wrote my Oklahoma rep, Coburn, about this usurper. It was a two fold letter 1, Ref Obama care and 2. who this evil residents was. My rep wrote back, that  this excuse for health care should not have been passed; but he also said that he thought that BO had GOOD intentions. I can bet he isn’t thinking that now. I warned him in the letter that little o will start bypassing Congress. He has his czars and will eventually not need Congress nor the Senate. By the end of January 2013, Congress and the Senate will be dismissed and sent home. It’s coming. if not sooner.

  • 2chestnuts

    Yes, we are still here and will do all possible to stop Obama’s effort to gain control of OUR LIFE, LIBERTY AND OUR PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. We will not stop to preserve our freedoms from this Social Progressive. Look out Obama, the American people will stand tall against you and your Chicago gangsters!

  • R Young

    Any new regulations penned by the Great Black Father in Washington are for the good of the Country.  The great Black Father promised he would fundamentally change America when he was elected the first time.  Did anyone think that he would not continue to do so now?  America must become a more kind and gentle nation America must look out for the welfare of the planet.  Once America is changed the nation and the world will be a much safer place to live.

    • 49erfan

      @R Young : Are you really serious ???  You’ve been drinking that Kool Aide again !!!
      The world will never be safer than when the US was the supreme power of the world. By dumbing down and underming our military, Obummer is putting the whole planet at risk of a holocaust far greater than man can ever imagine.

  • richars holmes

    This black SOB is the devil spawn demon that will ruin this country and the world. Mankind will suffer for generations because of this.

    • billygoat

      @richars holmes  He’s not the devil, but he is  controlled by demons.

      • capaltizer

        @billygoat  @richars holmes You are right, satans evil spirit is roaming this world and using people who loves evil over good.  This zebra man, obama that is, is evil and demons are enjoying using him and many others who believe in him also.  Satan is the anti-christ but first his spirit and his helpers will bring many countries down by the drugs in our lives, the lifestyle we choose and the lies that come out of their mouths and etc.  The more they do all of this, the stronger the evil becomes in our world.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      @richars holmes You are right, but please stop calling him black. He is 47.% something Arab and only 6.% something black. His father’s b.c. states that he is from an Arab tribe. Search engine Terry Anderson and read the 37 lies that little o has been saying since 2008. Number 7 gives the breakdown of little o’s heritage. He is not a president and he is not black. Search engine Avi Lipkin and listen to his video (12 min) He is interviewed and he tells this individual that little o is a Sunni Muslim. He also wears a ring of faith to Allah, but he says he is a Christian, really? I laugh because he has and still is snookering the stupid blacks in this country. You  have to ask yourself, why does he use a CT SS# when he was born in Hawaii. He has used over 33 SS#’s since he became a usurper politician. But, we can’t nail him on fraud?

      • BarbPatton

        @MilitaryPatriot  @richars holmes   I am afraid you are absolutely right – since he feels he is as pure as the driven snow and is without sin, nothing will be done about his fraud, lies, theft and his ability to bring the USA into a state of absolute chaos.. I wonder where the ayatollah barack hussein (I wish i could use my middle name)(muslim) obama was on the day that the twin towers went down.. Where was he dancing his jig of joy for this massive destruction, thanks to the muslim terrorists ?  Did he ever have anything to do with all those particular terrorists 11 years ago.  Has he waited this long for “pay back” against all Americans with the start of the Benghazi scandal??  Who knows just how deeply he is involved in the wholesale massacre of our country?

  • JimKimbrough

    HERE’S the Real Problem!! The man ‘blatantly refuses’ to produce a legal Birth Certificate  …  because there isn’t a legal one  …  at least, so far! Some even consider that Davis could have been his father, given certain facial similarities. At least his ties to Communist Mentors lead to his leanings towards another “Socialist State”, if he can do it. AND sadly, it’s not that far away! Especially if one Googles: “The 1963 Communist Goals for America” and researches just how many of them are sufficiently ‘grounded’ in American Society today! OUR own “Apathy, Arrogance, Complacency and Stupidity(read: Ignorance Gone to Seed)” has allowed this to happen. Ben Franklin said: “We’ve given you a Republic  …  IF you can FIGHT to keep it!” and I don’t think that Old Ben meant outside of our borders, either!

    • BobMarshall

      @JimKimbrough  9 of the 10 Communist Manifesto Planks have been instituted into Americas society today. As a young man in 1957, i remember when Nikita Khrushchev came on tv and said to America, ‘The USSR will never fire one shot at the United states, it will fall from within,” Even Adolf Hitler said, ” I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretext of taking care of them.”  those who know what Adolf Hitler did in Germany once he took control know how similar it is in America today. From Abortions to gun control.

  • JJM123

    And ‘Ignorance of the Law is no Excuse’. Yes perhaps only 1 or 2 per week might effect you, but how many might you get ensnared in? How many lawyers does it take to keep up with this nonsense and interpret what they all mean? Oppressive Government out of control!!!

  • MYS77

    This is a joke… ignore them all, the government is so incompetent they don’t even know what is in the constitution let alone line after line of regulations…..stupid worthless words on a piece of paper. Shred it, send it back to the government and go on with your life and your business. Ignore the regulations.. ignore the people in their cubicles… they don’t have the man power or the smarts to know what the hell is going on. They can’t close the borders, they couldn’t find Osama Bin Ladin for 10 years, they didn’t know Patreaus was having an affair…LOL, they can’t get a handle on Medicare fraud, don’t know where all the money went with the green energy companies, and they can’r prove Obama is a US citizen…. so you really think the average citizen gives a s…. about some scribbled words on a piece of paper is suppose to make them shiver in their boots for fear??? Obama can shove it. And shove it hard.

    • DaleRobbins

      @MYS77 The sad part is they don’t care what’s in the Constitution.

  • BarbPatton

    At the end of the day one must admit that the czars and their little elves and gnomes have really worked very very hard to get all this stuff thought out and written in a language that no one can understand so that everyone do the Pelosi— just sign sign and dont read!!! Nobody will read this rules and regulations – not even the ayatollah barack – All he is interested in is signing his name and thinking that he will go down in the history books as THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA AND THE MHADI OF THE WORLD… GOD HELP AMERICA PLEASE PLEASE

    • Tout

      @BarbPatton Occasionally I read such proper remarks as yours. And then what ?  One can spent lots of time reading such remarks. And then what ? How often do we find a report on what one is doing to improve the situation ? I never took part in these opinions. But I did ACT. Only lately I began with writing what I do. Not to ‘show-off’. But that it may give ideas to others. No one is obliged to do what I do, but it may give ideas of what can be done. Of course, I am a Catholic, wear daily a wooden 3 cm cross over my sweater, for all to see. I don’t talk about it, unless someone should ask. I make sign of cross before any meal, also in restaurant, alone or with others who don’t. Went twice a week to a Mary-statue downtown to pray the rosary, and hang sign “Whether glad, sad or wary, stay a while, say a Hail Mary”.Some pedestrians come, touch the statue. Five different persons came, prayed, then left. A girl (18 ?)knelt on the ground to pray. Not knowing how to start a procession, I walked alone, praying, rosary in hand around 4 streets. The 7th time(2005)a mother and son came along.  2008,lady took over(I was 88), now 50 people praying, singing, carrying Mary-statue to a church for crowning. Was in Turhhout(Belgium) 2004. Prayed at Sacred Heart statue on marketplace. Statue in awful shape, held together with 5 metal bands. Back in Canada, wrote to 100+addresses & the Mayor there to replace the statue. I was replaced in 2006. And more public acts. That’s how I try to evangelize in public, by DOING. I hope, more churches will have cross or statue outside; or else, a simple cross against the wall of the church, 2 m above ground. Every parishioner to pray there at least once a year. Is that still too much, after what Jesus did for us. Even a Protestant can say a prayer there. Where are Knights of Colombus, Catholic Women’s League ? Catholics, I ask you to always receive H.Host on tongue. Jesus wants to come in you, not in your hand. I never received in hand, tho 2 priests tried to open them. In Mass by FSSP, they always give on tongue. Please, receive on tongue. Our Holy Father the Pope prefers it.

      • BarbPatton

        @Tout Thankyou – I too am a Catholic – Pray for me and to St Jude of hopeless cases.  I  can no longer be active because I am not well – but I agree with you that actions speak louder than words.  Bless you

      • Pat78

        @Tout  @BarbPatton I agree with 99% of what you posted, Tout.  One point to make:  The early church received the Holy Eucharist in the hand only until the 9th century.  Viva Christo Rey!

  • http://www.JoBerryFabrics.Etsy.Com/ Joan39

    I agree with Barb 100%.  I have a small fabric store and http://www.JoBerryFabrics.Etsy.Com .
     
    God is still in control and He will not allow America to go down.

    • keith thomason

      @Joan39 we have turned our back on God. ( can you say abortion, homosexuality being glorifed). yes He can and may turn His back on us.

      • capaltizer

        @keith thomason  @Joan39 It is written, evil becomes correct and good becomes wrong.  Look around, Europe is turning back to be like Hitler was toward Israel and now America, who once protected Israel now we put a muslim in office and making evil good in every law by these lawyers we put in office and WE PAY them for life also for doing so.  Gods Word is coming true and people say the Bible isn’t true!  All they have to do is read it and then look around them.

      • Ted I Lewis

        @keith thomason @Joan39 God HAS turned his face from us. True, he will not let this country die. But, we ALL will pay the price. We are about to go through 3 1/2 years of things that we have never seen, or will ever see again! God has told us so!

    • alan1097

      @Joan39 God’s not American. Why would he not allow American go down? He allowed his own people to be exiled and killed at the hands of pagans (Romans, Babylonians, etc.). We are worse than the pagans. We are lukewarm!

      • tlc8310

        @alan1097  @Joan39 You can believe God will not stay when he’s told to go.  We’ve let the gov get filled with very liberal, socialist, and communist representatives and wonder why our country is being torn apart from the east coast to the west coast. If you read your bible you’d know the Jews turned their backs on God also.  We were called a Christian nation for a reason but I don’t think that name applies today. I served over 24 years because I believed in our country but I don’t think there’s enough good left to justify one more ounce of blood being spilled for. God help us, I don’t think you’ve seen anything yet. I believe we’ve elected a devil.

        • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

          @tlc8310  @alan1097  @Joan39 I believe you are right — “that 1/2″ of America elected the devil in 2008, and they’re too stupid to see through the rhetoric and lies.  I can’t believe they got sucked in a second time!

      • capaltizer

        @alan1097  @Joan39 WHAT?  Where did you come from?  God created all of us, but chose one people to bring his word to the rest of us because that one person, in this case was Abraham who followed Him without question.  And did you read why they were exiled and killed by the hands of pagans?  Don’t sound like you have, but you rather talk in vain then to open His Word and and read.  You turn on God, He will turn on you.  Easy as A B C.  You allow evil to come in your life, God will say, OK, you want evil, He will give you evil.  Hitler was one and going back, you see the Babylonians and etc.  And today….in America…..the “red” states have more population, more prostitutes, more abortions, more sexually transmitted diseases, more hate crime, more closet gays, more felons, more alcoholics, more drunk driver killings, more murders, more rapes, more suicides, more corruptions and etc… We have done just like the people of Israel did in their day, turn on God.

        • alan1097

          @capaltizer   Read my post again, slowly and carefully. I agree we have turned on God. Worse yet we have turned and still try to speak His name. My disagreement with Joan39 is that God very well may allow American to go down.

      • Ted I Lewis

        @alan1097 @Joan39 Read your BIBLE!!!! America is one of the Lost Tribes! Please go to Tomorrows World.org. There, you will be able to read for yourself what we are in for. And the TRUTH of the Bible! This site has changed our (family) lives so much. And now we understand what God has been telling us. All in the pages of the Greatest Book Ever Written! Please go and learn for yourself. You will feel so good when you understand HIS teachings better. This is for sure.( Tomorrow’s World.org ) You will learn so much! I pray that you will. God Bless. God Bless America, again.

        • alan1097

          @Ted I Lewis  I do read it. I don’t see anywhere as America being a lost tribe. Rather than read a website why don’t you read your Bible. I let the Holy Spirit guide me to understanding the Bible, not a website.

  • Richard Vandervort

    Everyone wants to throw blame somewhere but like Obama their not ready to stand up and say it’s my fault for supporting him in the beginning. The only thing that will straighten things out in this country is the people to finely take a stand and seize control of government and putting a stop to the out of control spending to start. Obama has given away security information while restricting our millitary from being combat ready. Hitler took over Germany much in the same way as this madman is doing now but most never learnd history so they have no example to judge things by..
    Bottom line is our fault for ever letting government get this far out of control.
    When you want real answers look into your mirror and admit who’s really at fault.
    So many gave their all so you could have your freedom and how have they been thanked by you when you can’t even give them a free nation to return home to.
    My statement to all is either sit down and shut up or stand up and be counted in the fight to re-freeing America from govenmental tyranny and the Communist take over now in place.

  • SandraPalmitierWaters

    I agree with everything you wrote, Richard.  So where do we start?  What is your plan?  I think that there are many who agree with you, but will not respond to your thoughts.  We need someone who will be a good leader for us – who do you have in mind, and are you going to contact that person or just write about what is going to happen to us?  The ball is in your court – what say you?  Again, let me make it clear that I do agree with your comments.

  • antonioandy

    HE IS JUST WARMING UP– we haven’t seen anything yet.  This man may have been “elected” fraudulently.  Look up SMARTMATIC and SWQUOIA in regards to how votes were counted in Spain –and the Soros connection.  From what I have seen thus far, it is extremely disturbing.  Draw your own conclusions, but I already signed the petition for a recount.  The people of America run this country –the politicians and liberal press have forgotten this basic principle (and apparently, so have many American people)

    • Davconn

      @antonioandy Wrong, the people USED to run this country.  Within a year we will not only have a full dictatorship, but will have the king’s private army to enforce it just like Hitler did.  Only the military, backed up by armed citizens (if we still have any), can save this country.  High on the kings and the UN’s) agenda is to disarm us.  I hope that if the military revolts we still have our weapons to assist as they will need us just as much as we need them.

  • antonioandy

    Correction –should be “SEQUOIA”

  • gnafuasusual

    So, what is being played out here with all the regulations? Is this UN’s Sustainable Development > Agenda-21? I thought we told the man in charge that United States does not follow what the UN dictates. We have three branches of government and The Constitution of The United States. That’s what it takes to run a smooth, Free Republic!

    • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

      @gnafuasusual Obama says, what 3 branches of government. What Constitution? You “thought” we told him that U.S. doesn’t listen to UN? Ya gotta know that’s a joke.  We the People are no longer heard.  Obama is a dictator, and it will get much worse in the next 4 years.  People didn’t listen. People didn’t learn.  It’s sad and infuriating at the same time.

      • gnafuasusual

        @pjki
         I know what you are saying but over half of The People did say NO UN among other things. . Someone didn’t count the votes right and the voting machines were rigged in parts of the country. But, we are stuck with whatever happened, I guess.  We have about 40 States signing petitions for secession so that should say something about how real Americans feel about the present condition of our government. We need an American  leader who can govern, not a street organizer.

        • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

          @gnafuasusual Republicans should have KNOWN that BO won by fraud in 2008, and should have been prepared to counteract that in 2012.  But instead, everyone runs scared of BO and just lets him do whatever the H*** he pleases. He never has to take responsibility; he never has to be held accountable.  He blatantly lies to our faces, yet most excuse it. He is a socialist to the core, yet he is given a free pass.  America!!! What the H*** did you do???
           
          I hope all the states secede and leave WA DC as the one lone state, and they can have Obama!

        • Pat78

          @pjki  @gnafuasusual The only way we will be able to secede is to fight for it.  It’s not that the globalists are patriotic and want the U.S. to stay together.  They need our tax money to continue to screw us!

        • PatriotAZ

          @gnafuasusual  @pjki I don’t think we are stuck!!  Did you know that there are more Republican Governors and Legislators across the Country than since 1930? That means that if they are smart they will all push through legislation for Voter I.D. and if they do it now ti will have time to get to the Supreme Court before either 2014election and most certainly before 2016 election.  Please write to your State Governors and legislators and let’s get fraud out of our elections.  Just to note:  In every State that had Voter I.D. in place, Romney won.  Now what does that tell you about voter fraud?

  • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

    We might as well send ALL of Congress home — save the taxpayer money.  They’re worthless, useless, and disgusting!  No one stood up for We the People.  The Dictator-in-Chief has spoken: Circumvent Congress at all cost, even to the American people, and just use executive orders to dictate.  The stupids voted this guy in again — I hope THEY pay the price.  Sadly, they take me down with them!

  • capaltizer

    We tax payers keep paying these Congress men even though they don’t work, we keep paying all ex elected men and women even though they held office only a short time..  And we seem to have many people today who like to vote for evil over truth, vote for a child like man who don’t even like them.  Hard to believe they voted for a man who says he is black when he is really a zebra bas….d.  Amazing.

  • Jodi

    “We the people are masters of the congress and the courts, not to overthrow our constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.”  Abraham Lincoln

    • MilitaryPatriot

      Jodi, you are right. i am a Vietnam Vet, Nurse, Air Force. I served my country during the Vietnam war and after, etc.. I took  an oath and signed an official document where it states (at the bottom of t he form) that I will defend and protect against all foreign and domestic enemy, terrorist, etc…….Also, every politician (regardless of their party affiliation) took an oath and swore to uphold the Constitution. Do you know that most of them (30 year career, plus) have never looked at the Constitution nor read it in decades. They quote things from the Declaration of Independence when they are asked about one of the amendments in the Constitution and reverse items from the other document. Pelosi says, “are you kidding me” when the media ask her about little o ignoring the Constitution or abusing it; but yet, they will be the first to use it when it suits their communist twisted needs.

    • peggymeeks54

      That was then, this is now! Try getting the Fraud in Chief out of office along with his minions & see how that works for ya! I wish we could but, when you have almost everyone on the Hill & the lame stream media working against you, it really makes you wonder if it will ever happen! Look at what’s happened, and NO ONE is doing anything about it!!

    • Ray Downen

      I thought so too until we lost this election! The truth is that a good many Republicans chose to not vote for Romney for what they thought were good reasons. They have gotten what they deserve. But what about the rest of the nation?

  • J Joy

    The poor Democrats and Independents who voted for Obama are getting the bigger government whether they like it or not.  The smart Republicans and Independents who voted for Romney have to suffer the consequences.  The problem is that the ones who voted for Obama don’t really want to know what he is doing or how he is affecting their lives – they want to take the ostrich method of hiding their head in the sand and hope nothing hits their butts.  But it will because Obama doesn’t care who is affected by his arrogance, his narcissism, his power grabs, his overwhelming run to control, control, control.  Obama is a Constitutional professor who has just enough knowledge to get around the Constitution.  By the end of the next 4 years, we may not have a Constitution.

  • Bladen

    No one gets it right 100% of the time. If only 1% of the regulations are detrimental to the country, then in one year we will have 241 destructive regulations implemented, and we are committed to at least four years. Woe be on to us and the USA.

  • trueright

    OBAMARAMA IS A TOTAL FRAUD IN EVERY WAY.  People (I will not refer to them as Americans) who voted for this misfit incompetent should be the ones that benefit from his “out in space” agenda.  But these “people” must have contacted the NEW MENTAL DISEASE called “OBAMARITIS”.  This had to be the reason why these “people” voted for this twit. 
     
    But then, when there are 43 million people on foodstamps, that is a guaranteed 43 million votes, as they do not want to “lose” the EBT cards, and “free this” and “free that” options.  Then there were the almost 800,000 illegal criminals that he allowed to stay in the country.  This is another 800,000 guaranteed votes.  Then you throw in the wacky New England states, and the equally wacked out California, and that is how this miscreant got elected.  The total “freeloaders” in the heavily populated city’s were also part of this equation.  This was to perpetuate their ability to continue to “freeload” off the overburdened taxpayer.

    • Ray Downen

      @trueright I’m very interested in hearing about the counties in Ohio who received more votes than registered voters or similar unusual anomalies. Lots of votes in one county and NONE of them for Romney. Likely? Not at all. I’m not sure Obama’s machine was content to just lie and lie about how bad Romney was. I figure some of them also altered voting machines to count for Obama regardless of who the voter selected. So is our only choice now to secede as individual states? And create a new nation like the one we’ve long appreciated as the U.S.A.

      • trueright

        @Ray Downen I heard on the news, that out of 56 precincts in Philadelphia, not one vote was for Romney?????.  And in Ohio, the main county which is usually heavy Republican, Romney only got one vote.  There were 3 county’s in Ohio, cannot think of 2 of them, but one was Cuyoga county.  Also in Florida in the northern part, people were voting for Romney and Obama was showing up as the choice.  These were on a computerized machine.  They found out that a Democrat operative changed the programming in their system, to reflect only obama, no matter who the person picked.
         
        I am wondering what will come of this?????  Probably nothing, as it will be “swept under the rug”, just like the Libyan scenario.

  • Poor

    Regardless of our sentiments and opinions, Obama did win the election. To me it clearly demonstartes that the color of the skin will be the deciding factor in the future elctions as well. Blacks and hispanics voted as a block  - there was no other rationale or logic involved. On the other hand, the Whites were split and it seems that the future elections will have the same results. To me the country has fundamentally changed – it is no longer judeo-christian nation. Sad.

    • PatriotAZ

      @Poor That’s interesting that you say we are no longer a judeo-christian nation when the majority of people in this Country are Christian–that includes Blacks and especially Hispanics.  I believe we have done a very poor job of communicating with these voter blocks and we have allowed the Democrats (progressive/far left) to dominate the conversation.  I also believe that we conservatives are great about talking about what we need to do, but we can’t seem to generate enough interest/energy within out ranks to get out and work for the cause.  I did that during the 2010 election and I was very disenchanted with the conservatives.  Even begging wouldn’t get them out walking their neighborhood or helping make calls.

  • Rose Palmer

    He has been a fraud since before he ran for president. Unfortunately, his past was not checked on properly, that is how he got elected, on all lies.

  • frugalvoter

    Just passed on the( https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition) yesterday morning.  Checked the site late evening and it
    wasn’t functioning.  Checked the site this morning and it had been revised.  No more category for petitions.  There had been 40 states with secession petitions.  Two with the 25,000 signatures or more.  Several coming close.

    • tlc8310

      @frugalvoter  http://wh.gov/8Uqh  This site was working this morning and it’s full of petitions.

    • Ray Downen

      @frugalvoter I’m surprised that anyone would dare to sign on a White House web site any form other than praise for the Muslim. The call for secession should be directed to the governor of each state involved rather than tipping our hands to the enemy in the White House.

  • remesquaddie

    Not even the world’s worst dictators could outlast the good people of any country. The day is coming, soon, when WE THE PEOPLE shall show our teeth.

    • PatriotAZ

      @remesquaddie I don’t believe that.  The time was riper this 2012 election and yet there were 3 million, I repeat, 3 million Republicans who sat at home because they didn’t think Romney was conservative enough, or they didn’t like his religion.  Soooo, they thought it was better to have Obama re-elected.  As long as there are imbeciles like that in our Party, were doomed.  I don’t see any solutions for the conservative movement any more.

      • Ray Downen

        @PatriotAZ  @remesquaddie You speak truth. Republicans who refused to support Romney bear the responsibility for the mess we’re now in. But as long as the Senate is controlled by the Democrats now in charge, there’s no way the errors can be corrected unless we act unlawfully to force changes that are needed. And Obama is well armed and ready for combat.

      • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

        @PatriotAZ  @remesquaddie  I agree! What a sad day for America when Repubs used Romney’s religion as an excuse to not vote.  I hope they’re happy, because now they’ve kept the Muslim in the WH.  I’d have much preferred an American patriot who is a Mormon — they love God — they love their country. Romney loved Israel.  
         
        There are no words to describe what those who did not vote, and those who voted for BO have done to this country.  My heart is weeping for America; I’m still in shock that there were so many who have taken America for granted.

  • JohnSprinklebumj

    We can probably repair Obama-related damage to our republic.  My concern is despite the extremely poor economy, slow recovery and Bush being the cause of all evil inherited by Obama, the voters who re-elected this same President are the problem.  It is between difficult and impossible to fix stupid.  It is ironic that after 4 years of fiscal irresponsibility and a lack of leadership, the administration calls of bipartisanship, transparency and compromise, three qualities of which they have demonstrated unable or unwilling to follow.  Talk about hypocrisy, these folks are the poster children for it.

    • AdrianVance

      @JohnSprinklebumj We have two generations of college trained scientists who have not been properly taught and are among the most poorly trained in the world.

      • sandman4X4

        @AdrianVance  @JohnSprinklebumj
            the so called “college trained scientist” are actualy the LSD tripping hippies of the sixtees, all they acn do is teach, those who can, do those who can’t teach!

        • Randy G

          @sandman4X4  @AdrianVance  @JohnSprinklebumj And those in charge are there because they are screwups.

    • PatriotAZ

      @JohnSprinklebumj Yeah, I don’t even listen to what Obama says anymore because it doesn’t make any difference.  He spits lies like he breaths air.  I just watch what he does–that’s what is important and if you thought the last four years was bad, just wait–he’s going to double down and what he accomplishes in the next four years will take 30 to 50 years to undo, if it can be undone.  Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) I won’t be around to witness it.  But I dearly fear for my grandchildren and great grandchildren (as of yet unborn).

    • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

      @JohnSprinklebumj <<<and Bush being the cause of all evil inherited by Obama, the voters who re-elected this same President are the problem. >> 
      There ya go again — blaming Bush!  Doesn’t matter what BO thinks he inherited, the morons who voted him in did so that he would FIX whatever it was he inherited.  Obviously, he made it 100 times worse.  AND, when Reagan took office, the economy was far worse than it is now, and he had it fixed in 2 years.  So what’s BO’s excuse? Oh blame Bush.
       
      I wonder who the moron in the WH is going to BLAME for the PAST 4 years of destruction — HIMSELF?  So after 8 years if he mucks it up even worse, is he still going to blame Bush?
       
      That is SO TRITE! I’m sick to death of hearing the blame game!

  • Wweddell

    You folks are nuts. Get a life and get over it. You got your butts handed to you on a platter in the last election. This is still a Democracy with majority rule, not life by filibuster .

    • sandman4X4

      @Wweddell
       how is the kool-aid weddell?

      • Wweddell

        @sandman4X4

    • Wweddell

      Sandman, I served in Korea, served in the guard, pay my taxes, paid for my education and my kids education. I am now 80 years old still proud to be an American and hold her democratic values dear to my heart.

      • sandman4X4

        @Wweddell
         you sure do not sound like it, I never would have guest, but if true, thanks for your service, I have an uncle that served there, and now he is in the home, not knowing whom his own children are, very sad, but at least he does not have to live with the consequencses of the biggest fraud in history!

        • sandman4X4

          @Wweddell
           oh and one other thing, we are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic, big difference

      • Evermyrtle

        @Wweddell  I admire you greatly, you have done  lot for America.and should still be fighting the corruption with the the rest of the senior citizens. I am 82 but not in my second childhood. I am a Christian fighting against all things evil, those that are bringing  America down, without a noticeable fight., only about 30% of the Americans.

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @Evermyrtle  @Wweddell Myrtle, myrtle, Myrtle…..”There ya goa again” (Reagan). I greatly respect and appreciate M Weddell for his service and sacrifice to have served in Korea.
           
          Thank God we ARE NOT a “MOBACRACY”  subject to majority as the founders so greatly feared.
           
          Please see below in this thread for a more detailed description of a DEMOCRATIC REPUPUBLIC of which we are (for now).

      • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

        @Wweddell Well, guess those democratic values you hold dear to your heart just went up in smoke.  You now have a president in the WH who does NOT hold those democratic values close to HIS heart.

    • PatriotAZ

      @Wweddell Sorry to inform you, but we’re not a democracy, we’re a Republic.  And, if you don’t know the difference, go get a history book.

    • AlfredGreen

      @Wweddell
       ***Sorry, America is a Constitutional Republic. The Founders worked hard to prevent a democracy.

    • Libsrlintlickers

      @Wweddell You, Wweddell are a dumbs hit! Do you actually TRUST that piece of human garbage that you voted into office? I personally hope you get what is coming to you: Losing EVERYTHING you and your family have and living on the street,  eating out of garbage cans…..Have a nice COMMUNIST day!! Socialism is cool, right????????? Liberal PINHEAD!!

      • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

        @Libsrlintlickers  @Wweddell  I agree.  Sadly, Wweddell’s president took the rest of us down too.  We DID lose everything thanks to BO’s recession.  It needs to happen to those who voted for BO, not to those like my family who did NOT vote for him.  But we got the raw end of the deal.  And looks like another 4 years of the same destruction.

    • PatriotAZ

      @Wweddell Also, we didn’t get our butts handed to us.  It was a close election by popular vote.  And, I’m reading a lot of ‘stuff’ on questions about the voting results in some of the districts in Ohio and Pennsylvania,  I think it is statistically impossible that out of 59,000 voters, Romney received 0 votes.  Don’t you think that should be looked into?

    • consv

      @Wweddell
      This is NOT a country ruled by “Executve order”. Congress hasn’t the balls to confront this tin horn dictator that totally ignores Congress. God help us all!

    • JineteLargo

      @Wweddell A Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. A Republic is a well armed lamb casting his vote.
      Despite what all our  leftist scholarly institutions and teachers wish for and teach we are in fact a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democracy. So the majority only gets to “rule” when it doesn’t interfere with an individuals rights. That is if the Powers that Be don’t make illegal (anti-Constitutional) laws like Clinton, both Bushes and most especially Obama have and are doing via Presidential Decree and by organizing “Departments” like ATF, IRS, Homeland Security, et al and giving their “rules” the force of law! Which makes us a Socialist Democracy that is heading towards total Socialism! The Constitution reserves the right of lawmaking only to Congress! No one else! Not even the President! All other laws are unconstitutional therefor illegal.

    • Ray Downen

      @Wweddell You imply that we have to sit by and see the nation pushed farther and farther into ruin. We are sure to do the best we can to make things right even if it comes to civil war. We do not surrender to Obamacare and the new laws like it which are aimed at taking away all liberty for us citizens.

    • Ray Downen

      @Wweddell You imply that we have to sit by and see the nation pushed farther and farther into ruin. We are sure to do the best we can to make things right even if it comes to civil war. We do not surrender to Obamacare and the new laws like it which are aimed at taking away all liberty for us citizens. I’m 83 now and heartsick at what a majority of those who voted did to the nation. We dare not just accept the poison and die.

    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      @Wweddell WRONG…. We are NOT a democracy with Majority rule which is what the founders feared the most. We are a democratic REPUBLIC.
       
      Democracy; such was never the intent. The form of government entrusted to us by our Founders was a republic, not a democracy. Our Founders had an opportunity to establish a democracy in America and chose not to. In fact, the Founders made clear that we were not, and were never to become, a democracy.
       
      Many Americans today seem to be unable to define the difference between the two because they are subjct to many generations of REVISIONIST HISTORY that has been crammed down the throats of Americans by the Marxist academia at the University level and beyond.
       
      There is a difference, a big difference. That difference rests in the source of authority.A pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people. When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling (what the Founders described as a “mobocracy”. A republic is rule by law. If the source of law for a democracy is the popular feeling of the people, then what is the source of law for the American republic?
       
      According to Founder Noah Webster: Our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament, or the Christian religion.
       
      This is what MAObama tried to tell the American people and the Saudi princes when he bowed to them is “we are not a Christian nation” since all he knows is REVISIONIST HISTORY” from his marxist roots. A MOBOCRACY is what Obumblebutt wants America to emulate just as in Europe.
       
      Hows that workin for ya Europe?
       
      Before you reply do your homework. A good place to start is:  
       
      http://www.wallbuilders.com

  • AdrianVance

    Mr. Obama is turning us into a new West Germany, North Korea or worse.  Get out while you can if you have any money.
     
    Come see us at The Two Minute Conservative.

  • PhillipeViolette

    Don’t pack up and leave just because things are not going your way. We all have a resposibility as Americans to stay and fight to the bitter end. A conservative independant.

    • RivahMitch

      @PhillipeViolette Besides, there’s no place left to retreat to. Locked and loaded. Semper Fi!

    • DonBahn1

      @PhillipeViolette where could we go? Canada is worse off than we are right now. New Zealand is too far and may not let us in. we must ride this out, with every weapon we can hold onto.

    • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

      @PhillipeViolette But you can see how well that fight did! It was a failure.  Many fought to remove BO from the WH, but fraud and corruption AND EVIL seem to always prevail.  The fight is exhausting.

    • JimKimbrough

      @PhillipeViolette At 70, I grew up with a father that tought me about the “real” world history and what was really going on and provided literature that proved it. Some of which can be found,IF one knows what to look for. We soon started getting the Spotlight newspaper, that Washington & the Jewish Elite shut down(later partially reborn into the American Free Press, which is online today) and loads of information on the Bilderberg Commission, when they started up. Associating with the UN is the worst thing America could ever have done and to continue is suicide! ME Too, I’m in it ’til its over or God says it’s over. My “yardage” isn’t what it used to be, but 800-900 is still within range. Glad I brought my boy and Grandsons up like me!! Don’t care much about the wasted fighting overseas that was “supposed” to protect America and dissolve Communism/Socialism and it’s been here and flourishing for decades AND THE REAL FIGHT IS HERE AT HOME!! Like Old Ben Franklin said: “WE gave you a Republic  …  IF you can FIGHT TO KEEP IT!!!!  Well, they’re gonna have to take it ’cause this old boy ain’t givin- it to ‘em!!!   May God give “We the Peole” some Common Sense and Courage!!! Amen

  • DavidStroud

    Anyone who likes a president that governs by fiat should move to Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China, etc. There are plenty of places to feel more at home!!

    • Ray Downen

      @DavidStroud But instead they went to the polls and voted for Obama. Many appreciate getting a government check each month. And are unwilling to see that Obama is our enemy rather than a savior.

    • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

      @DavidStroud Yeah! Why’d they have to ruin OUR America! The 1/2 that voted for him needs to deport themselves to Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China, etc.  As you say, plenty of places to choose from.  So why in the world did they choose to destroy our blessed America.  It makes me cry.

  • sarahballantyne

    We all need to be aware of these regulations and how they will effect us in the long run. Our so called president
    wants to get rid of everything assoicated with America and he is on his way of doing it. We could all move, but
    what good would that do??? Everywhere you go now there are rules and regulations that Obama is putting into
    place.

    • Evermyrtle

      @sarahballantyne  He is fighting two battles at one time One is against America the more important to him and to us is his battle against GOD. That is the one that is affecting Christians. most.

      • Ray Downen

        @Evermyrtle  @sarahballantyne And some who write to me assure me that Obama is a Christian because he says he is.

        • http://www.digitaldesigndev.com/ pjki

          @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle  @sarahballantyne Obama is no Christian.  Obama is a Muslim.  Everything he says and does is against Christianity, and everything he says and does is for the Muslims! Look how he’s treated Israel! It’s obvious to me who this man is.  A corrupt Muslim fraud sitting in OUR Oval Office! And America is so stupid, they put him in again.  Makes me so angry.  I don’t even watch the news anymore.  I refuse to spoil my TV screen with BO’s face and voice.  As it is, he interrupted my favorite program this morning and THAT makes me angry! He is America’s first dictator.  Pretty soon you’ll see his face on every channel on your TV.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle  @sarahballantyne 
          Ain’t no Christian saying that!!!!!  Only liberals who think they are fooling somebody and they may be fooling other liberals.

        • MilitaryPatriot

          @pjki  @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle  @sarahballantyne Your right pjki. Search engine Terry Anderson and read the list of 39 lies that little o has told sense 2008. Read number 7. He is 47.6% Arab, not Black and only 6% something Black. On his fathers’ b.c., it states that his father is from an Arab tribe. Search engine Avi Lipkin, and listen to  his 12 min video during an interview. Little o is a Sunni Muslim. P.S. Terry Anderson is a Black talk radio host out of L.A. He even knows that evil residents is an Arab. When little o cheated his way into the senate, everyone in D.C. knew what he was. All politicians, regardless of their party title. Pretty bad when grown adults are afraid of skin color. Amazing.

        • PatriotAZ

          @MilitaryPatriot  @pjki  @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle  @sarahballantyne There is also ‘scuttlebutt” out there that the reason Obama is spending millions of $ to keeph is college records under cover is because it will show he went to a US college with a foreign student scholarship.  Everybody laughs at Sheriff Joe Arpaio but he did his own investigation about Obama and he has some facts that would be very interesting to hear, but no one wants to know.  Isn’t that interesting?

  • Brabado

    Reply to Pat78;
    Thank you for your comments!
    The way I see Republicans, and their ongoing lack of courage, is based on the fact that the GOP is totally contaminated by enept individuals.
    To attempt to rebult the GOP, by having the Old Guard point their cumbling fingers, as possible new Leaders will not cut it because, they are all chips of the same block!  It is already, in their DNA, the failure gene with NO antidote against the Decmokrats non-sense…
    Trust I made my thoughts, clearer, this time arround. i.e. to me is the same exact result as “interbreeding”.  Nothing good or positive, ever comes out of it.
    Thank you again for your Email.
     
    ONE COUNTRY, UNDER GOD…

    • Evermyrtle

      @Brabado
      It is one country under BO now,  until GOD chooses to relieve him of his duties. He is riding high right now but that means he will fall harder. I  just I will be able to see it.

      • http://www.JoBerryFabrics.Etsy.Com/ Joan39

        @Evermyrtle  @Brabado I agree with you, Obama made a fatal mistake when he turned his back on  God’s Chosen People.   May God richly bless America.

      • Howdy Doody Conservative

        @Evermyrtle  They (progressives) elected BO as their messiah.

  • Wrinkled Thought

    Heck, those aren’t new regulations, those are new tax laws………….

    • Ray Downen

      @Wrinkled Thought But not made by the Congress! They are indeed regulations made by Obama and his czars.

  • J Joy

    For a man who taught the Constitution, he sure doesn’t follow it at all!!  This was a huge reason that he should not have been elected again but the liberals of America don’t seem to care about that and won’t care until they are the ones losing everything because Obama has undermined everything the Constitution stands for.  If the Republicans don’t get a back bone and stand up to the Democrat / Union machine, America is lost.

    • Ray Downen

      @J Joy Obviously some Republicans, who should have enthusiastically supported Romney sat this election out. Each such non-voter surely wouldn’t vote for Obama. They just didn’t vote for Romney, with the result that Obama won and the nation lost it’s last chance to begin recuperating from Obama’s attacks on our economy.

      • Rose Palmer

        Great accessment, I have only one thing to add, Obama does not like America, he is definitely out to destroy us.

      • PatriotAZ

        @Ray Downen  @J Joy Not going to the polls to cast a vote for Romney IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA.  Let’s tell it like it is.  A great thanks to all of you who stuck to your right-wing conservative values–now you have, again, a leftist progressive who will now double down on his agenda to “fundamentally transform America”.  For all of you who did not cast a vote–I hope you like the Country you will have contributed to transforming.  And, Good luck to all of you.

  • Wweddell

    Brabado, yikes I thought I was alone in the universe. Amazes me how good Christans dispise minorities,. Against abortion and pro life till the child comes, then no help for the unwanted child. Free education, forget it. Fire and police, forget it.
    Teachers, ye gods, home school I guess. Roads dams bridges all a waste. Medicare, yuk.national defense as long as the vets don’t come home sick. This is not the world I grew up in when government was supposed to help the needy and folks of lesser means.

    • LarryChambers

      @WweddellTrue Christians despise no one. There are those who are beginner believers who have not learned to have self control. And there are some who should by their length of time worshiping and studying be mature enough to know that this behavior is not allowed in the Christians life. And, it everyones responsibility to work and take care of their wants and needs.
      It is not their fellow countrymens responsibility to take care of them. I think what has gotten alot of people as well as the goverment confused is the fact that HELP does not mean a lifetime committment. They need to define the difference between help and take care of. How dishearting is it to work your butt of and barely have enough for your kids to eat after the bills. then you go to the store and see people who do not and will not work with two baskests of groceries compared to your half full basket. You’re spending cash and them a food stamp card. Their Caddy is nice and clean, you’re to tired to wash your old truck. Maybe tommorrow will bring a better day, hunh?

      • keith thomason

        @LarryChambers  @Wweddell well said larry, well said

      • Rose Palmer

        We can thank Obama for that along w/ all the other disaters he is creating for America. Our only hope, get him out of the White House, send him back to Kenya where he belongs. I do not, never have believed he is even a citizen. everything about him is a lie!

    • Ray Downen

      @Wweddell What do you MEAN that “good Christians despise minorities”? We surely do no such thing. Government is supposed to HELP the needy and folks unable to help themselves. This government has put us so far in debt that there’s no money left to do what the government is supposed to be doing. Obama doesn’t even know what the government is supposed to do! Or so it seems. For what he’s doing is obviously aimed at ruining the nation.

    • keith thomason

      @Wweddell help is the key word , not support for life like we do now for the lazy bums sitting around drawing off the government

    • BenjiMac48

      @Wweddell So Wweddell and Ray both say government is supposed to help the needy, and that is the world Wweddell grew up in. WRONG! The government is taking more now from those who actually produce it, and redistributing it to everyone who for any and every reason produced less or nothing, then ever before in American history.
      BTW, money is not the issue here. The government can make unlimited amounts of money by simply declaring it to exist. The problem is that people cannot collectively receive more stuff – goods and services of every kind – than is being produced, regardless how much money they have. And most people will not work to produce more stuff unless they receive something to make it worth more than not working. So if and when the government redistributes everything equally, there will be nothing left to distribute.
      Capitalism distributes wealth unequally. Socialism distributes poverty equally.

    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      @Wweddell Your missing the whole point of this marxist regime and redistribution of the wealth. It’s not goverments job to create entitlements and make a dependant class of voters as they have now.
       
      The written laws of this land are : Congress may  spend federal taxpayer dollar only to “provide for the common defense and general welfare for the United States” This does NOT say provide a WELFARE state as the progressive Libtards would like to rewrite it to say.
       
      I just don’t know Wweddell there is either something wrong with you or you are confused…are you sure your not having a stroke or something? should someone call 911. “ye gods”  ye sound like a MARXIST?
       
      BTW the people, churches and the individual states are supposed to help their own not an unmanageable, incompetent, corrupt, expensive central government. The Fed Govt. produces nothing and does everthing very poorly.
       
      Case in point from California just one group of churches have mobilized and have tremendous resources on the ground running on the Eastern seaboard and helping the suffering people. In many of the areas we are deployed the Federal Govt. is NON EXISTENT.
       
      The Fed’s get UP TO 8% of the funds to the people on the ground in these areas and the American Red Cross gets 86% of every dollar on the ground. The faith based groups i mentioned get 100% of every $ donated to the people who need it the most. This (85) is what I mean by “administrative” cost which any sane person would term INCOMPETENCY.
       
      Go here to search your soul:
       
      http://www.jonmcnaughton.com
       
      Go here for a start in American History and not your revisionist history you must have learned in the halls of marxist acadamia.
       
      http://www.wallbuilders.com/

      • Howdy Doody Conservative

        @Wweddell OOps…Last paragraph I mean……This (8%) is what…..
         
        Red Cross does an outstanding job and manages their administrative cost magnificently.

    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      @Wweddell “pro life till the child comes….”  WHAAATT??
       
      There are 2.5 million adopted children in the United States, over 2% of all U.S. children.
       
      1.7 Married couples were awaiting a baby for adotion in 2010. Over half of them have been waiting over 4 years.
       
      900,000 abortions were performed in 2008. add 2009-2011….You do the math EINSTEIN!

    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      Weddell  “pro life till the child comes….” WHAAAATT??? You better get checked for a stroke dude.
       
      There are 2.5 million adopted children in the United States, over 2% of all U.S. children.
       
      1.7 million Married couples were awaiting a baby for adotion in 2010. Over half of them have been waiting over 4 years.
       
      900,000 abortions were performed in 2008. add 2009-2011….You do the math EINSTEIN!

    • RivahMitch

      @Wweddell You must have grown up in some foreign land. In the America I grew up in, the government’s job was to maintain freedom such that “the needy and folks of lesser means” could help themselves.

    • Randy G

      @WweddellIt has to do with ‘Do unto others as you want them to do to you’ — The Others despise Christans so they return the treatment.

    • PatriotAZ

      @Wweddell

      • PatriotAZ

        @Wweddell No you’re wrong on that.  It used to be that Religious establishments and charity used to take care of the poor and needy.  It was and never is (under our Constitution) the role or responsibility of government to help the poor and needy. Now that Obama has taken ‘helping the poor and needy’ to a whole new level is the reaswon we are in this state of crises.  The people have discovered that they can get the government to give them ‘stuff’ and now there are more of those people than there are of us earners.  Obama has created a ‘rich vs poor’ war to enable the poor to rise and so he and his progressive (directed by George Soros) can have a revolution which will take America down.  Mark my words, when the government starts to cut back and quit giving to the free loaders, you will see violence like you have never seen it before.  Thank you ‘stay at home voters’.

        • Evermyrtle

          @PatriotAZ  @Wweddell Obama has no interest in taking care of the American poor,only the interlopers, those that are swarming in by the million.

        • Pat78

          @PatriotAZ  It was voter fraud.  Religious groups have never stopped giving to the poor even though tax money also goes to the poor.  More of the poor were working to help themselves.  When gov. enticed them with medical benefits and penalized them for making too much money, many of them quit their jobs to have healthcare for their families.  I agree, we’re in for some turbulent times.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Wweddell  My husband an I were as poor as church mice. We had two children, we raised them the best we could, teaching the things that all parents should teach our children. First of all HONOR AND LOVE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER, THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND TO LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.  We did not ask for help except from our GOD. We figured if we decided to have children we should take care of them, the decision was ours so why should we expect others to do our duty. There were poor people all around taking care of themselves and their children and we were loving it, not one whimper of “Why don’t these people know we are poor and need help?”..
       
      Of course we should help each other, reach out ourselves to help. If we are willing to help, other will be willing to help us. It is not a choice to  kill our children because we cannot feed them, give them away there are millions of people who want a baby but can’t have them.  Many people will pay all of maternity bills and hospital bills, to adopt your child, there is no reason to kill it.

  • LarryChambers

    What are we paying them for? Why are they letting him IGNORE them. Do they have no voice in any of these matters. I tell you what , I want my money back or and  you get  the “H” out of there, you’re doing nothing but occupying space. Why do they keep crying to us about what he’s doing? You bunch of wimps, if you don’t like do something about it…like throw him out or impeach him or whatever you’re supposed to be doing and aint doing.
    JUST DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING!!!!!

    • Ray Downen

      @LarryChambers The House is ignored because it takes action also by the Senate before the House can do anything. The Senate is ruled by Democrats. So Republican Senators have no voice, and the House has no voice because any action is blocked by Reid and his friends.

    • JohnPickelsimer

      @LarryChambers Are you from central NC? Do you know me?

      • Howdy Doody Conservative

        For Wwedddell below…
         
         “pro life till the child comes….” WHAAAATT??? You better get checked for a stroke dude.
         
        There are 2.5 million adopted children in the United States, over 2% of all U.S. children.
         
        1.7 million Married couples were awaiting a baby for adotion in 2010. Over half of them have been waiting over 4 years.
         
        900,000 abortions were performed in 2008. add 2009-2011….You do the math EINSTEIN!

      • LarryChambers

        @JohnPickelsimer No sir I am not. No sir I do not. But Iam in Christ and I do know Him. Does that help you? or can that help you?

  • k2vi

    Watch as another slick talking liberal runs in 2016. He will be voted in by stupidity. This downfall isn’t obamas fault it the idiots who voted him back in. And i believe the population has more idiots than sane intelligent people.

    • PatriotAZ

      @k2vi That’s true because the liberals/progressives have had control of our educational system since Woodrow Wilson time.  Their objective was to dumb down American (accomplished), degrade our culture through sex (accomplished), take over the financial system, (accomplised), take over the healthcare system, (accomplished) and all was done by first taking over the educational system. Take back the schools–that is our first priority.

    • Pat78

      @k2vi Evil idiots are the worst kind of idiots.

  • Wweddell

    I feel like a minority here, not welcome at all. Guess we can’t carry on a friendly debate about our difference for a positive resolution, or perhaps compromise. Long live the republic.

    • JohnPickelsimer

      @Wweddell You know, if you would state a real point and not some brush stroke you might get a real response from someone. It would appear that you either don’t know any facts to argue from or you don’t really know anything at all, you just know you can’t win against the other guy’s facts. Offhand I would say you were a liberal who probably didn’t have anything of interest to say anyway.

    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      @Wweddell Telll me how does a conservative compromise his non-negotiables whith someone who expesses progressive liberal and marxist thought?

  • Ray Downen

    Why is not the first and most important order of business of the House to impeach Obama? It’s granted that the impeachment can’t succeed without the Senate also agreeing, but at the very least we need to do what we CAN do to save the U.S.A. Some are of the opinion that several states will have to secede from the union which once was the U.S.A. Obama’s nation is not the nation we have long loved. And it seems there’s no way to save it from Obama when a majority of voters were so unwise as to return him to office after all he’s already done to destroy us.

  • JAlexander407

    It is not the liberals that have gotten everything messed up,  it is the stupid and lazy. If evolution of the mind through education has taught us about values, It is that anything worth having is worth working for, and if you don’t have to work for it you don’t have respect for it. Ask A solders who has and is  fighting for this country and ask a lazy alcoholic to define freedom;  Who do you think, just ask yourself who will give you a more respectful response. 
     
    Enough voters did not feel that it was important enough to take time from their kid’s soccer practice to go and stand in a line to protect their country. They will find out that not missing that practice will cost their kids more than a day off.   Has laziness taught U.S. anything?

  • Wrinkled Thought

    Quote from Woody Guthrie:  “I never stopped to think of it before, but you know–a police–man will jest stand there an let a banker rob a farmer, or a finance man rob a workin man.  But if a farmer robs a banker–you wood have a hole dern army of cops out a shooting at him.  Robbery is a chapter in etiquette.  You mite say that Wall St. is the St. that keeps you off Easy St.  I ain’t a communist necessarily, but I been in the red all my life.”

  • Wrinkled Thought

    “Any fool can make something complicated. It takes a genius to make it simple.” ― Woody Guthrie

  • JohnSprinklebumj

    One solution to the sad state of our educational system is to shut down the U.S. Department of Education.  We are falling further and further behind in math, science, technology and engineering.  We have education unions protecting incompetent teachers and more concerned about high pay and benefits than education.  Sort of like the AARP being much more interested in AARP profits and ads than in seniors.  I guess we could extend this to most of Congress, who represent their own re-election ambitions more than the interests of those who elected them.  Let the states handle education.  They can not, collectively, do a worse job and many would do better.  Restore parental choice, it is NOT trivial, it is essential that parents not be forced to send their children to failing schools, and many are failing.  Support a wider range of educational choices, including public schools, magnet schools, charter schools, private schools, parochial schools and home schooling.  There is virtually no competition in K-12,  and a decided lack of educating young minds.  However, that said, it is my personal opinion that the public schools have produced an overabundance of fiscally dependent, lifetime Democrats, and few people with ideas a developed abilities.  It is kind of ironic that we are now hiring a lot of engineering graduates from India and other countries, and colleges are enrolling a LOT of Asian students at public and private colleges.  There is good fiscal and educational advantages to doing that.  Many of these students actually study and are grateful to have the opportunity to learn and prepare themselves for jobs and a better future.  Being uneducated, being an uniformed voter or being culturally illiterate is just not a model the U.S. should follow.  Mr. President, it would also be a good idea to see if we can’t help stimulate the economy, so that the other half of recent college graduates can find a job in their field or at least a closely related one.  This voter looking forward to strengthening our republic, and not see it slide further into the crapper for another 4 years of business as usual.

    • LarryChambers

      @JohnSprinklebumj Surely you speak the truth. The Education  Dept. is more interested in teaching kids about homosexual activity and Muslim culture than teaching than the subjects they will need for their futre. Looks like America’s kids will be the ones left behind.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @JohnSprinklebumj Children are a gift from GOD, not something that we should be glad to get rid of. In these days to send them to public schools may seem like we are trying to get rid of them  My children and my grandchildren are my special treasures. . Schools today are not up to taking care of an animal. Our children should be our most precious gifts and we should take car of them like that is true. We need to take them out of public schools  and arrange to have them educated in some other way as in home schooling. My daughter home schooled her children and several other children, for a small fee which she never did get all of the money, but she did not regret teaching them.
         
        Proverbs 17:6 “Children’s children are the crown of old men’ and the glory of children are their fathers”
         
        Proverbs 17:2 A wise servant shall have rule over a son that caused sham, and shall have part f the in  inheritance among the brethren.
         
        Psalms 127 3-4 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. As arrows are in the hand of a mighty ; so are children of the youth.
         
        Train up a child in the way of the LORD and he will not depart from it.
         
        Ecc. 4:13-14 Better is  poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished. For out of   prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in kingdom becometh poor.
         
        We are all that our children have, if we forsake them, who will fill in in our place?. Millions of children are raised by grandparents. Many of them are able and happy to do that but many are raising their children when they can barely take care of themselves. This is such a unfair world world made so by the humans living here who should have a little respect for  something instead of for nothing.
         
        Rev. 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his GOD, and he shall by my son.

  • joe nojob

    and pull he will !

  • BobMarshall

    When he spoke to La Raza and told them the Democrats are with them  on illegal amnesty for 11 million illegals, he also said the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting and not just on immigration reform.

    • JARNKM

      @BobMarshall I did some research on La Raza some time back. Almost a “come-back” of Poncho Villa. Take back ALL the lands that we bought(supposedly stole) from Mexico and then some! They feel that “We Owe THEM!!! For What??  With Obama, they’ve had the best thing going. It’s no wonder that America is only a few steps from disaster. We’ve been walking in a “Mine Field” for decades and didn’t even know it!!      Oh, thanks for your reply earlier.

      • Pat78

        @JARNKM  @BobMarshall You are correct, JARNKM!  I was in high school in South Texas when this group hit our town back in the early 70′s.  I had no idea they would accumulate so much power!  I did notice that most of the people who took over are not very intelligent, but what they lack in intelligence they make up for it in woundedness and rationalization that they were robbed of much.

        • Pat78

          @JARNKM  @BobMarshall Also, for the die hard La Raza’s, there’s no negotiating with evil.  Some who follow are unaware of the saturated evil.  Those can be educated.

  • phunyfarm

    read, read, talk, talk, what are we gonna do?  Just read my first conflicting piece on secession a few hours ago.It was the first huge number of drop outs I’d seen, probably just a blurb or something
    I have asked when does this madness end?  When enough God fearing Americans end it.
    Read “The Stand”…or someth-no…,    THAT’s what I  can  do to brighten up my spirit, gloomy times & weather here. Then… I always get new ideas and perspectives with every read so that’ll help too.  I would let that o freak be Randall Flagg but, geez, that o boy, Just isn;t  quite up to Mr Flagg’s level.  Sho’ does wanna be though doesn’t he?  Been scribblin; away for days now making all kinds of new restrictions on everything & minding everybody’s private affairs and all, those executive order things he likes so much.  We just gotta figure who o can be in the Stand ’cause he’s gotta be there some way (any ideas ) IF you’ve read the BOOK & not just scene the movie.  I’m working on mental health diversion here.  Got it for now.!.. wicked old Harold, that’ll work for now until his real character claims him – that sounds interesting..I don’t want to waste my time even trying to find this bozo interesting.  Let’s just let Roland have him & he can walk the staircase of the Dark Tower for eternity. Ah, Obama is just no fun to play with @ all.  Can’t even entertain yourself sarcastically with him.  What are we gonna do with this selfish, hateful old strange bird we have taking up space in the WH AGAIN!  Fools walk in where angels fear to tread ya know. 
    Now then…what we gonna do now.  REALLY, this is not arbitrary conversation, what ARE we supposed to do now:?
    I am praying for guidance, hope, wisdom & patience, Dear Lord, guide us, for all US Patriots everywhere. May God Bless us all.

  • guest18

    Don’t impeach him. Try him in a court of law for fraud and treason. You can’t impeach someone who is holding the position fraudulently, but you can convict them for fraud and treason and sentence them to a long prison term.

    • JimKimbrough

      @guest18 I agree with you whole hartedly!!!  Get old “Sherif Joe” out of Arizona to arrest him and put him in some PINK underwear  …  that would suit him just fine, until the hangin”!! Boy!!!!  What a shinding that would be!!  “Free At Last!  Free At Last!!  Praise God we’re Free at Last!!!!!!!

    • LarryChambers

      @guest18 How will that work if he owns all the judges? The way I was told by some one in these comments was that the Democrats are in control of the Hill and the Republicans essentially have no voice. So, how would you untangle that knot?

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @guest18   Unless they lost a lot of seats , I believe the Congress is basically Republican but if so, they certainly are not doing anything and have done nothing in the last two years that they have served.. I was so disappointed AND SICK OF WHAT IS GOING ON, that I have not kept up with what is going since Nov. 6.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @guest18  Hey my sister in Christ how are you? Just as firey and perky as always I hope and pray. Yes, I was using info that was given to me in response to a comment I made previously. I don’t know their seating arangment either sweetheart. But what I do know is, is that no matter who is sitting where nobody is doing anything but this walking disaster
          called O. It would appear that the elite of all Republicans has taken up residence in the abode of the Democrats. Heralding out that Ocare is now law of the land. I have as yet to hear of any Republican challengers come forth to site their views. I think we should prepare for a very, very, very rough ride.

        • guest18

          @LarryChambers @Evermyrtle – Keep the faith. Prayer can bring about miracles. Don’t forget who is really in charge. Hint: It’s NOT the fraud in the WH.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @guest18 I can remember after the elections two years ago how I was  happy that so many Democrats had lost their seats and were replaced by Republicans and this gave me some hope, BUT NOTHING HAPPENED AND I MEAN NOTHING, NEVER HEAR A WORD OF ANYTHING THEY DID. Ii THOUGHT I WAS A REPUBLICAN, NOW THERE IS NOTHING TO CHOOSE FROM. One party is 90% bad the other is 10% good if you look real hard.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @guest18 The sad thing is, is these are elected officials regardless of party affiliation to uphold the law. That means them as well. Certainly no citizen can break any the Senate or Congressional rules. But they can and they do. But there is too much money, too many favors, too much lobbying, too much rubbing the shoulders for us to get a fair shot. And the affects for us are global. Our tax dollars have gone and are going other than where it should be. They are now preping themselves to take any and all of our money as they see fit. They are quick to raise taxes but neglegent to say where or how that money is spent. So much for transparancy. I think we at least deserve from them a fair assesment of how things got the way they are and what we need to do to fix the imposible. They’ve let the monster out of the cage and now have no idea how to get it back in. Sooner or later they are going to run out of cookies. My kid asked me once, “Dad, what do you feed a monster when you run out of food? I said, “you.”

        • PatriotAZ

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 That is false.  The House is the only one of the three arms of government that put forth 22 pieces of legislation to help the economy.  The Senate stopped them by Harry Reid refusing to bring up for discussion and vote.  You have it wrong!!  It is the Senate that did absolutely NOTHING.  I find it ironic that Obama and the Senate objected to everything the House did, but the Republicans still get the blame.  GO FIGURE!!

        • PatriotAZ

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 I mean 33 pieces of legislation.

        • PatriotAZ

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 You cannot say that the House did nothing in all honesty.  They did a lot, but the Senate shot everything down.  The house is only 1/3 of the government,  If you want real change we have to have the Senate also.  So what happened there, huh?  Did the Republicans get out and vote to change their Senator from Democrat to Republican?  NOT.  Don’t blame the Republicans as long as Harry Reid/Democrats are in charge of the Senate and the Executive.  Get out and work to change the Senate in 2014.  We can’t just sit and grumble we have to work hard for the changes.

        • Louise101

          You need to READ THE UN AGENDA 21 PLAN – ONE WORLD ORDER to understand MOST Republicans are on the same side as the Progressive DEBTocrates. Get inform NOW and you will have ALL the ANSWERS. You will see that it has been implemented for 60 plus years now and that’s why we are where we are Now! Start here: GOOGLE “Tom DeWeese AGENDA 21″ then go to You Tube and “Search’ for ‘AGENDA 21′ Video’s.

        • Ray Downen

          @Louise101 You claim that “most Republicans are on the same side” as enemies of liberty. You are wrong. Most Republicans are simply lovers of the liberty in this nation and intend to protect it and make us again a strong defender of liberty.

        • Louise101

          Ray Downen, I’m sorry to BURST your Bubble. I’m a Republican and a VERY ACTIVE Tea Party member with 3 Tea Parties and other Grassroot Movements. I can see you have NO IDEA of what the AGENDA 21 PLAN is. Maybe if you READ it, you will see PROOF it’s been going on for 60 plus years. I guess you have NO idea that we now have in 47 STATES a NEW Education Reform (Core Choice Cirr., School choice) in Charter Schools and public that Older Teachers are saying is the RUSSIA/CHINA MODEL of EDUCATION. (They looked it up and did the RESEARCH). It’s not totalaly implemented but at least 20 to 40 Schools in those 47 States DO HAVE IT. The others schools will follow in the next year or two. It’s time as a Republican to WAKE UP with the REST of us Ray. I’m VERY connected to Reps and Senators in my State and we only have 2 that will speak about it, a very few are scared and the rest (majority) will say it’s Agenda 21 is NOT important or irrevalent. A Group of us go to OUR State Capital are are leaning the AGENDA 21 is VERY MUCH ALIVE on EVERY LEVEL.

        • Ray Downen

          @Louise101 Louise, you failed to burst “my bubble” since I don’t have one. Our problem just now is Obama. You want us to read about something totally unrelated to our need to get Obama out of office. I don’t agree that you have any business pushing that theory until at least we find the answer to our immediate problem which is Obama. Right now, Agenda 21 is of absolutely no importance. We’ve got more important things to discuss.

        • Pat78

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 Yes, there are some differences, but both parties want to bankrupt America and destroy our currency.  Neither party will deal with the real problem- Federal Reserve Banks.  Almost all politicians with a “future” are members of the Council of Foreign Relations who created the U.N who wants to rule the world.  It appears to me that the commie dems are backed by Russian Muslims and the Repubs are backed by dual citizen Israelis.  neither one of these parties are for liberty.

        • Ray Downen

          @Pat78  @Louise101 Pat78 claims both parties “want to bankrupt America (she means the U.S.A.) and destroy our currency.” This is absolute baloney. Romney offered change from Obama’s ruinous policies. The voters (or at least those who counted the votes) rejected Romney’s policy which is vastly different from that of Obama. Pat78 may need to visit an oculist. She’s seeing things that aren’t there.

        • Pat78

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, Ray.  The idea is to bankrupt America and trash the U.S. Constitution to allow for the New World Order that George H. Bush first talked about.  You did see how George W. assisted in taking away our liberties, right?  That’s the only way Americans will submit to a governing authority over us.  That would be the U.N.  I guess you were fooled.  Do you know anything about the Federal Reserve Banking–The Federal Reserve Act of 1913?  I suggest you look into it.

        • Ray Downen

          @Pat78  @Louise101 You, Pat78, join Obama in blaming President Bush for what Obama has done? I think not. George W. Bush was our leader on 9/11/2001. It was essential that we prevent another attack like happened on that day. The president did well to take steps to prevent such a think happening again. This was not to the credit of Obama. And Obama’s mistakes are not the fault of President Bush.
           
          President Bush was honorable and capable and did extremely well in providing what was needed during his terms in office. Obama has made the situation caused by Democrats who gained control for the last two years of President Bush’s second term much worse and has tried to convince us what the Democrats did was done by the previous president. It’s Democrats and their policies which have created the disaster now facing us. None of it is the fault of President Bush.

        • k2vi

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 He also thinks his neighbors are going to converge on his house with machine guns hot. Get real dude. The republicans are not perfect but to say there conspiring with the progressives is nutty.

        • autonomous 1

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 The house has only a few “Republicans” but many “neo-con republicans” who are no better at adhering to the Constitution than the socialist/Marxist democrats.

        • Pat78

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 You really don’t know what you are talking about!  I don’t join Obama in anything-never did and never will.  There’s nothing I’ve said here to indicate that.  George W. Bush signed the Patriot Act that wasn’t a bit patriotic.  9-11-12 was an inside job.  There’s plenty of proof of that.  It’s easy to prevent another attack if Bush and puppet masters set it all up in the first place.

        • Evermyrtle

          @autonomous 1  @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18  You got that right. We do only have very few Ropublicans an a lit of Rino’s

        • Ray Downen

          @Pat78  @Louise101 What a ridiculous claim by Pat78. No sane person could believe that the attack by Muslims was “an inside job.” And to claim that “There’s plenty of proof that the 9/11/2001 was planned by any citizen of the U.S.A.” is unbelievable. Why anyone would want to believe or say such a thing is not clear. Perhaps insanity caused it. I supposed discussions here would be by sensible people. Was I wrong?

        • Pat78

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 I’m guessing you were educated in the U.S.A.  as I was.  It was not the government schools that taught me the truth about our Republic being hijacked by Israelis, Russians, etc.  I was naive and wanted to trust like you until a true patriot pointed out how we have been turned into “sheeple” and believe whatever we’re told contrary to evidence.  Do you really think our borders are safe?  I did my own investigating and realized I was part of the problem as you remain part of the problem.  Educate yourself and stand up for the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  The people who are truly running our government are the billionaires who are so greedy and power hungry, that only death will stop them from wanting to rule the whole world.  Once you have  billions of dollars, what else is there to do?  Once certainly can’t spend all of that.  The love of money is the root of all evil.  1 Timothy 6: 10

        • KentPerry

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 Since when did the Republican Party make YOU their spokesman for Public Relations Ray?  The fact is YOU don’t even know everyone in the Republican Party much less their intimate ideas and agendas.    The lovers of liberty in this Nation, have written some of the most anti American legislation ever created, from the patriot act to the NDAA.  I am not married to any party because BOTH of them have proven their ideas are so anathema to our Constitution, I want NOTHING to do with it.

        • KentPerry

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 
          it ain’t a “Theory” ray but after seeing a half dozen of your posts,  I think I know who what you are now.  Too bad people don’t know to ignore you.  People like you, are just as big a problem as Obama.  whether you live in bubble or not

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @Pat78  @Ray Downen  @Louise101 Pat78 Wow some of these folks really are naive when it comes to bilderbergs, article 21, free masons, new world order etc. There is no mystery or secret that George H.W. is a HUGE Bilderberg puppet and fan of the new world order (Cintons are as well that’s why Hillary is next in line). I just wonder where these people have been all these years since this has long been general knowlede?
           
          Don’t misunderstand me because I am about as conservative as you can get….a right wing extremist and damn proud of it. People ya gotta do your homework and i’m afraid Ray D. when you make a comment of “no sane person could believe that…..” means your sources are as shallow as the mainstream media. I’m sorry to have to inform you is that there are numerous investigations currently ongoing and they are uncovering some rather “unbelievable” evidence that is disturbing.
           
          Now, Comrade Obama is one of the biggest bilderberg puppets ever and he is perfect for them as he hates America AND Americanism and will acheive their goals quicker than any before him. Oslimey would NEVER had been elected without Bilderberg support having placed him there (they also control Soros and the mainstream media). So does that start to make sense when you consider the bias that there was during this election?
           
          Realize that Romney was not controlled AS MUCH by these things due to his Mormon religion and faith. I could get Biblical with unfolding prophecy here which would make what I say even more believable

        • LarryChambers

          @Pat78  @Ray Downen  @Louise101 I’ve been writing and writing  saying those same things, 9-11-12 was an inside job. O simplified it even further just the other day when he answered a journalist and said, “he gave instuction to give our people whatever aid they needed.” How corny!! He was watching the whole thing, why say whatever aid they need? And who was bold enough to disobey a direct order from the Commander in Cheif? And if so I doubt very seriously if they wouldn’t be in shackles by now. They are stalling for time, time that they hope we will calm down and just let this go like the rest of our elected officials do. I still maintain, I still say, since he refused to send those valuable lives lost the aid they pleaded for,it’s no different than him pulling the trigger himself.
          America must realize that this blatant show of disloyalty would suggest that we are sleeping in danger.

        • LarryChambers

          @Ray Downen  @Pat78  @Louise101 There is nothing insane about Pat78′s comment. Ask yourself, why did they immediately come out and tell lie after lie? And why is there so much confusion about whether an order or who gave the order for the protection that was immeditately available told to stand down? And if an order came from the president what need is there for an investigation? Remember O watched and others the whole thing in real time and nobody, anywhere, at anytime lifted not so much as a whisper to help those men who pleaded for months for assistance. Where my friend is your insight?

        • LarryChambers

          @Ray Downen  @Pat78  @Louise101 Bush was mis-informed by his own people so 9-11 wasn’t really considered his fault. It too is believed to have been an inside job. What happens is that the public are told one thing when actualy something entirely different is taking place in the government. There’s tons of unbelieveable stuff the government has and is doing concerning Muslim and islam activity. And they are getting stronger  in our government and society as time progesses and once again we are not paying attention to the quiet inflow of their religion and invasion on our culture.
          Our government is honoring Islamic holidays and holding festives for them with our tax dollars. You have gone to sleep, it’s time to awaken to the truth.
          Satans biggest gimmick is this: HE WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE HE DOES NOT EXIST. And it’s not so much what evil says, it’s what evil DOES NOT say that burns you.

        • PatriotAZ

          @Louise101 The sad truth of it is that most Senior Citizens don’t have a clue about Agenda 21 and I doubt very much if they will be inclined to read up on it.  But, I agree with you, we’re on a very terrible and dangerous path and most Americans ( I would say the majority) don’t have the slightest idea about what is REALLY going on in their local areas and State.

        • PatriotAZ

          @Louise101 Yes it is very much alive.  Here in Arizona our legislature put forth legislation to stop the implementation of Agenda 21 and two Representatives (Republican) voted against it–who were these Republicans?  Graduates of Arizona State University where Agenda 21 propaganda is being taught,  How do you like them Apples.

        • PatriotAZ

          @Ray Downen  @Louise101 Ray you can’t just be single focused because evil is being perpetrated on multiple fronts.  Yes Obama is a huge problem, but so is Agenda 21 being implement at the local levels (ICLEI) because Congress wouldn’t approve it at the national level.  You see nothing stops these evil-doers so you have to look 360 degrees around you and fight it whereeveryou see it.  Trust Louise101 she knows what she is talking about and it would do you some good to read about it.  It will scare the sh___ out of you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @guest18 Yeah Larry, I learned that the hard way. I will know better than to think a party will make a difference, hereafter.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Pat78  @Ray Downen  @Louise101   Truth is like rocks when it is about whoever is concerned. Truth is not popular these days.

        • Ray Downen

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 Your comments show that you haven’t known what was happening. Perhaps for a long time rather than just since the voting. The House of Representatives has had a Republican majority for the past two years and has done a great deal, but everything they’ve done has been nullified by the Democrat-controlled Senate. So you claim they’ve done nothing. You are wrong. They’ve done all they legally could do except impeach the president. That they could do, but chose to not do since the Senate has to also impeach and surely would not do so.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @guest18 
           
          So I’m wrong. I am a fairly intelligent senior citizen and if you had only said,”they have done a lot, Actually they have done a great deal which was nullified by the senate.” I would have gotten the point. You seem to usually be a nice guy, in fact I have enjoyed reading you post. This one caught me by surprise. It was just a touch, no I won’t say it.

      • guest18

        @LarryChambers I know what you’re saying, Larry. I still choose to believe that God is in control and will destroy the
        evil empire in DC. It appears things are starting to come apart at the seams. Between the Benghazi fiasco and the upcoming 43 trillion dollar lawsuit being filed against several big banks and a number of people in the Obama administration for the money laundering of TARP funds, we could see several positive outcomes.

        • LarryChambers

          @guest18  @LarryChambers It pleases me greatly to know that you are a believer in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now I know our communication will be one of  good cheer in Him. I know you love America just as I do. And we both know that our Father is a loving Father.. But we cannot set aside the fact that He is also a JUST God. And His righteousness must and will be satisfied. What that may mean for America is divine disciplne. What has America learned from the children of Israel? Obviously nothing. Because we with our idols (anything you put before God) are following right in their footsteps. God does not change. So, what is the outlook for us? It’s pretty obvious is it not? I picked up on this link on WND. it talks about that $43 tillion. Thank you and may God keep you and bless you in Christ, amen.

        • LarryChambers

          @guest18 Sorry about that, here it is
          http://theintelhub.com     cnbc-execs-childrens murdered-1day after lawsuit filed

        • DrProTruth

          @LarryChambers  @guest18 Our generation has become the epitome of what Bonhoeffer calls “cheap grace” where we think that God’s grace will continue to cover us in spite of our clear choices to abandon His righteousness as a nation and continue to embrace ungodliness in our leaders–indeed–continue to vote back into office the very ones who violate God’s Word through writing and passing laws that endorse and perpetuate ungodliness and unrighteousness even in our children as young as preschoolers. Surely, we are the generation Paul describes in Romans 2 where the people not are inventors of new evils, but they applaud those who do the same. Yet His Word admonishes us that the Spirit of God will not toil with man forever. How long will God hold at bay His wrath and pour it out on such a wicked generation as ours? Interestingly, the literal meaning of the word wicked is “truth twisted!” How many believers are twisting the Truth of God to fit their unholy lifestyles and the unholiness they support in the voting booth? Let us remember that God is not only a God of grace, but He is also a God of justice, which we cannot separate from His judgment. To this point America has not experienced God’s justice or His judgment–and beyond that–we are in danger of God pouring out His wrath on us as a nation which should be a sobering thought for the most hardened heart!

        • PatriotAZ

          @LarryChambers  @guest18 I am a believer in our Lord also, but isn’t there a proverb that states:  “God helps those that help themselves”?  Waiting for God while doing nothing isn’t going to save us.

        • Evermyrtle

          @PatriotAZ  @LarryChambers  @guest18  It all about making the right choice. We can choose to follow HIM and as long as we do that HE will bless us in all the things we do. HE is not a harsh GOD, HE is a loving GOD,  as long as we follow Matt 22:36-40
           
          36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
          37. JESUS said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD THY GOD with all your heart, and with all your soul, ans with all thy mind.
          38. This is the first and great commandment.
          39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shall love your neighbor as yourself.
          40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 
          If you keep these two commandments will mean that you keep all of HIS commandments.  Because if  you love GOD and your neighbor you will surely not do them any harm.
           
          Love generates more love, try it.

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  @LarryChambers  @guest18 We do well to realize that those who voted for Obama thought (incorrectly) that they were voting for helping the poor and supporting “rights” for women which they were told would be lost unless Obama was re-elected. Many Obama voters meant well and had no idea they were choosing the Devil rather than God as guide for the nation’s next four years. Obama’s attack TV ads persuaded many that Romney was evil and would help only the very rich. That the ads were lies is obvious to some of us, but they were effective. His billion-dollar campaign worked.
           
          So the nation is in for four more years of misery and gloom unless Obama is impeached promptly as he so richly deserves. He demanded that no help be sent to repel attackers who several hours later murdered the ambassador and his helpers in Benghazi. Help was available which would have saved our citizens from the terrorists. Helpers wanted to go to turn back the attack. Obama said no. Well, someone at the White House said no, likely not Obama himself since he had to rest in preparation for his fund-raising trip the next morning.

        • LarryChambers

          @PatriotAZ  @guest18 How we live our lives as Christians IS doing something. We are in a spiritual warfare and the forces working behind these world leaders is far more powerful than you may think. It is God’s timing that is of utmost importance not man’s, not ours. You see the evil at work in the courts, in the office of the president, the Senate, the Congress and really all through the Hill. If the citizens revolt, who’s going to pay off the outstanding debt. New governments take time to organize. With all the attitudes and schemes going on it will be hard pressed to trust anyone. People aren’t trusting and kind natured as they were in 1700s are they? Neither will their interest be in forming a new nation as much as it will be to pouring resources into their pockets. I doubt very seriously if there any human solutions to this madness. All I can say is if people are thinking about a new government
          they need to be thinking of every-thing from criminal activity, who’s going to police the place, the hopitals, the chemical plants and the awful sight of bloodshed. How will we know that we are free if everybody is already fighting one another? In my opinion, For man to be free, he must first know what he is freed from otherwise, he will still be locked in his mind haveing no respect for freedom.

        • LarryChambers

          @DrProTruth  @guest18 I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. But I don’t think this generation has much in the way of the knowledge of God’s grace. Or certainly no appreciation for it. The worship of God has broken off into secters of confusion. What we are seeing now is rebellion against God

        • MilitaryPatriot

          @LarryChambers  @PatriotAZ  @guest18 This is exactly what little o is doing to this country, and  his plan is moving forward right where he wants it. Turn on your fellow man, don’t trust anyone or anything. Turn/Tell on your friends, family, and neighbors. Hitler did the same thing in Europe. Worked liked a charm. Why do you think we had to do something during WWII? Outside help and now there isn’t any outside help. The whole world is on fire. Wars within every boundary, especially in the Middle East. Thank you little o and Hillary and of course yours truly Soros. He isn’t even a U.S. citizen but he comes and goes like he is an elected politician and he was allowed to buy all those guns and ammo for fast and furious and benghazi. And you don’t think we are in a mess. We are in a big F mess. Half this country caused it because they were gaging for a black leader and they didn’t do their homework. he is 47.6% Arab not balck and a Sunni muslim. Anyone want to connect the dots? That’s right, they didn’t show you how to connect the dots while going to school. To bad, now you have to pay the devil. He is in the white house of shame.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @LarryChambers  @guest18 Well stated, for some conservatives who voted for Obama for all the reasons you state. However, we also have a huge Christian voting block who sat home rather than vote because they disagreed with Romney’s faith.
           
          Moreover, there are Christians who have bought the lie that there is no such a thing as absolute truth, nor is there such a thing as public faith; only private faith where our faith is relegated to our church or our home, where we only practice our faith behind closed doors. These are they who do not see how their faith and their politics intersect, it is this group–a huge group I might add–who agree with a woman’s right to choose, even though the only choice considered in the pro-choice movement is the right for a mother to murder her unborn child–which flies in the face of all that is called decent or holy. This is the group who would say, along with Rudy Guiliani, “Although I do not agree with abortion, I support a woman’s right to choose.” If they were to complete this statement, they would have to say: “I support a woman’s right to choose to kill her unborn child.” It is also this group of Christians who see nothing wrong with premarital sex or living together before marriage, for that matter, which has become become common practice in our society.
           
          The latter group of Christians have embraced all that the world has to offer and ignores God’s Word that condemns such practices. Rather than a Biblical worldview, they have adopted a secular humanist worldview that essentially says do whatever feels right to you, personally, with no regrets.
           
          It is impossible to be salt and light to the world when there is virtually no distinction between us and the world. When we have embraced the world’s sinful practices in our own lives, we have lost our saltiness and become completely ineffective to tell others of the need of a Savior. Ultimately, this will become an eternal death sentence for virtually millions of persons worldwide.

        • MilitaryPatriot

          @LarryChambers  @DrProTruth  @guest18 It’s a sad state of affairs and shame full.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @LarryChambers  @guest18 I agree, Larry. However, I still maintain there are vast numbers of Christians in this generation who operate in “cheap grace” where they understand that what they are doing is wrong, but they do it anyway depending on the grace of God to cover them. They think their salvation is secured because they have received Jesus as their Savior so they can do whatever they choose with impunity, because–after all–they are saved. The apostle Paul warns against this kind of thinking when he says, Doe this mean I should I go on sinning to prove the grace of God? To which he concludes, Certainly not!
           
          As believers, we must get back to the reverent and worshipful fear of God, which the writer of Proverbs tells us is the beginning of all knowledge and wisdom…

        • MilitaryPatriot

          @DrProTruth  @Ray Downen  @LarryChambers  @guest18 Amen, and it has become our testament of a down fall and failure in this country. I saw it coming in the 60′s during the idiot hippie era. I saw the future politicans and wheeling dealing thugs of this country that would take over D.C. (district of communism). A run away train and no one saw it coming down the tracks. Too many trying to find themselves, contemplating their belly button, self gratification, greedy moochers, etc…..The devil is in the U.S. illegally.

        • LarryChambers

          @DrProTruth  @guest18 In Prov 2:15 He writes, She is more precious than jewels, and nothing you desire compares with her.
           
          I have seen much of  todays so called church service. But as Christ said, With their lips they worship me, but their heart is far from me. As our pastor has taught us that todays churchs are into the social gospel or they teach that you must work your way to heaven or that there is some  other way to get to heaven other than through faith  alone in Christ alone. I thank God always for our local establishment where we are taught catagorically and the expository teaching of the word of God. It has made a huge difference in my understanding of how to live the  unique spiritual life. So many have no knowledge of the mystery doctrines of the Church age.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @DrProTruth  @guest18   Exactly!!! You hit the nail on the head. So much rebellion especially in the young people.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @PatriotAZ  @LarryChambers  @guest18 There is no such scripture!

        • Pat78

          @PatriotAZ  @LarryChambers  @guest18 No.  It isn’t in the Bible.  In fact, God wants us to be little like children, trusting in God for our every need.  He does ask for obedience and our cooperation in His grace given to us freely and unmerited.  http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html

  • outoftheordinary

    You are all missing the point.  Obama will give you a free cell phone when you follow all his new 5932 regulations

  • Albert Sneij

    Please notice that if US Congress could be ignored, it proofs the fact that same US Congress is a facade, impotent, and  is there to deceive the American People that they are represented by same congress.

  • Albert Sneij

    Please notice that the president does not write those regulations; some one else, agency ,or power, writes them for him;then place them on his desk to sign. He smiles for the camera, while Pelosi smiles behind him. It is very easy job for which he gets more than four hundreds thousands dollars plus benefits.

    • J Joy

      @Albert Sneij And the American people suffer which Obama doesn’t seem to care about.

    • autonomous 1

      @Albert Sneij Those benefits, which include insider trading have made a $14,000 community organizer into a millionaire.

  • Disappointed1942

    Obama needs to be stopped!

  • justrob1
    • MilitaryPatriot

      @justrob1 I don’t know whether you know this are not. But do not put your faith in Snopes. Soros owns and controls snopes. This site is not reliable. It’s a cover up for little o. They are not telling you the truth. Don’t buy what they tell you. You are being lead down the road of lies.

      • justrob1

        @MilitaryPatriot @justrob1http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @justrob1  @MilitaryPatriot Snopes is an Obomnuism cheerleader. They were always pro o.

        • Lee Baldwin

          @justrob1  @MilitaryPatriot
           ALL obamaites are the same. They have their pretty little heads stuck in the sand so they don’t have to SEE just how bad obama is for our country. SNOPES is OWNED by George Soros justrob1. get a real life. Get A JOB and work for a living.

      • justrob1
  • justrob1
    • Lee Baldwin

      @justrob1
       I hope you realize that (www.snopes.com0 is owned and paid for by George Soros.

    • Ray Downen

      @justrob1 Snopes cannot be trusted to ever tell the truth if it opposes Obama.

  • J Joy

    If this is true, what can we expect in the next four years?  Regulations are doing untold harm to the business world and if any of these are true, well, I am very afraid for America.

    • Rose Palmer

      It is true, make provisions to save your business. Unless we get rid of the communuist in the White house, we will lose everythng, including our freedom.

  • v steve

    E-mail your Representative and two senators every week or every two weeks or once a month and tell them to impeach obama now, even if you think it won`t do any good.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      @v steve I have been writing since 2008. Eight years in France (2000-2007). Tried to tell people state side that this man was the devils son. His birth place, Muslim Brotherhood connected, etc… No one listened. Warned my state reps after returning from overseas. No one listen. We will see WWIII on our soil. Israel is being attcked now, it is the beginning. Impeach all of D.C. and let the war sort it out. Watch the politicians run for cover; while “we the people” clean up their communist/Muslim mess. Don’t count on Mexicans helping, they are here for the give me’s.

      • Ray Downen

        @MilitaryPatriot  @v steve Patriot has it right that the war has come out into the open now with Israel being attacked. If we had a patriotic President, we’d be at their side immediately. Obama has watched while Islam took over most of Israel’s neighbors, and has apparently cheered the Muslim Brotherhood on in each.

    • Rose Palmer

      @v steve I sent a specialized e- mail to both my Senators, got an automated reply saying they would be in touch. I’m not holding my breath.We are dealing w/ a bunch of liars who say antyhing to get in office & then forget the voters who got them in.

  • ELOHIMISGOD

    It is very, very good to know all this information, but what are you or those in congress going to do about it?
     
    Mr. Evans

  • guest18

    Snopes is a joke. Try using Fact Check.

    • Ray Downen

      @guest18 The first time I checked something on snopes.com I saw that their statement was untrue. I’ve never seen any reason to begin believing that they are what they claim. FactCheck sometimes gets things right.

  • autonomous 1

    Republican is not a synonymous term with Conservative or Constitutionalist.  The (small “r”) republican party of neo-cons today is working hand-in-glove with the socialist/Marxist party toward a New World Order (world government) and has been doing this sub-rosa for, at least, 60 years.  Perhaps, you don’t recall the speech in which G.W.H. Bush (the father) said that the goal of government  was a “New World Order”.  Nearly ALL prominent politicians belong to one or several of the “alpha-bet” organizations of the “elite”, such as the Council of Foreign Relations.  Look at the background of these disingenuous, malfeasant politicians and you will find constitution destroying, gun control protagonists intent on subjugating the masses to a One World Government.

    • Ray Downen

      @autonomous 1 I love to hear truth. I hate to hear foolishness. And the attack by autonomous1 is foolishness rather than truth. The Republican Party is made up largely of honest patriots, totally opposed to what this writer suggests as being our party.

      • KentPerry

        @Ray Downen  @autonomous 1 You don’t what your talking about Ray.  You don’t see the trotsky training the Leo Strauss Schooled socialist the typical neocon is a student and follower.  Everything autonomous said is a FACT and can easily be corroborated with a five min google search.   The GOP has become a cess pool of corruption and as for the Bush Crime Family?? You don’t know a damn thing about that family, that is obvious.    You see Ray, GWB, Grand Daddy Prescott Bush tried to over throw this Government from the inside before.  This was back when his Bank was financing the Nazi’s.   If it had not been for US Marine Corp, General Smedly Butler blowing the whistle on the whole thing, the NWO would have happened a lot sooner.   But his Son and his Grand Son have worked real hard to put that vision of a New World Order in place for the UN’s Founders.   By the way Ray,, you say the Republican Party is made up largely of Honest Patriots?  Then how do you explain thishttp://www.jonesreport.com/articles/101006_republican_crimes.html

        • MilitaryPatriot

          @KentPerry  @Ray Downen  @autonomous 1 KentPerry, you are right. When Papa Bush gave his last speech to the Nation (in his fourth year in office) he mentioned “1,000 points of lights”. Everyone including all of the news media scratched their heads aa well as us and thought  “what does that mean? “One World Order” Start paying vary close attention to code talk from either side of the fence in D.C. They have their own way of telling this country, we are going down hill. Little o was telling this country, exactly what he was going to do and we were not paying attention. He did tell us, learn the code talk, it’s out of the Saul Alinsky play book for radicals.

        • Ray Downen

          @KentPerry  @autonomous 1 What foolishness Kent has spouted. I’m a life-long Republican. I viewed the Republican National Convention this year, and there saw some of the folks Kent maligns. Kent spouts foolishness and should be ashamed of himself. There’s not a word of truth in his ranting.

      • Louise101

        @Ray Downen  @autonomous 1 RAY, Autonomous KNOWS what she/he is talking about. It’s NOT a SECRET if you do the RESEARCH. Even Republicans like myself KNOW the TRUTH. Like I told you before GOOGLE about Th UN Agenda 21 PLAN, but you refusd to KNOW the TRUTH. You’re in DENIAL. I will Pray for you that you WAKE up before it’s TOO late. I pray for one to 2 hours a day and the rest of my time is Dovotion to 3 Tea Parties, and a another Grassroots Movement AND a Prepardness Group. I have done this for the past 3 years and 9 mos. PLEASE Start getting more up to date and inform/educate yourself like many of us have done in the last 3 yrs or more. Google Agneda 21 on Youtube also. If you DO Read it, You WILL see PROOF it’s all True. Even ‘many’ Military men and women I know BELIEVE it and are  preparing themselves. The belong to 2 groups I belong to and give wonderful info, (not classifed of course) but things that the New Media will NOT tell you or don’t know. PLEASe WAKE UP to the RINO’s. I’m NOT saying ALL or RINO’s but theri is PROOF at this time that their are only 5 to 10 Republican Congress Members that are not the same, AGAINSt the UN AGENDA 21 and only 5 to 8 Dems that are AGAINST it currently.

        • Ray Downen

          @Louise101  @autonomous 1 Our enemy at this time is Obama. We Republicans recognize him as an enemy. And then here come kooks trying to undermine our champions with false accusations. That’s no help!

        • Rose Palmer

          Make no mistake, Obama is our enemy. The machine behind him are all anti-american (mostly George Soros a self admitted communist)  & would love nothing more than to see us destroyed. If we survive his second term (Help us Jesus) We must never allow this to happen again.@

    • Rose Palmer

      If that is your opinion of Repuplcans, you must think the Democrats are straight from hell.

  • Richard Vandervort

    In the fight to re-freeing America from govenmental tyranny and the Communist take over now in place.the only thing that seems to being an answer to their ignorance to the wants of the people is for the people to demand the secession of their state from the union. The refusal to stay under the leadership of a highly corrupted washington leadership is our Consitituional right and we should invoke those rights here and now. Let this Merxist Pig be the leader of the country of DC alone and zee how far that gets him. My understanding is that 32 states have filed for secession and we the people should bring that number up to all the 50 states.
    There’s enough reasons to impeach Obama and there’s enough evidence to show hid ineligibility to throwing his butt our but if Congress will not act on these things then we still have our option to seceding from the union. Secession will do some great things for the people like the end of the federal reserve and also allowing our withdraw from the United Nation and their desire to take over our way of life here in America. By Secession we the people can also cut off all federal funding to cguntries that hate us anyway.

    • Richard Vandervort

      That is federal funding to all countries, Sorry for the type O’s

  • judy64

    how does anyone have the time to write and or approve over 5000 rules ???   he would have to write all day long  other people must be rubber stamping this…

    • Ray Downen

      @judy64 Obama has hired several czars to help him take over the nation. All he has to do is sign the executive orders prepared by his czars.

      • Rose Palmer

        My personal opinion, Obama does like America, period. How he made a second term stuns me, isn’t it obvious he is out to destroy what we have been brought up to believe?

  • DonnyLott

    Perhaps with all the obvious rampant sin of these reprobates who now inhabit the halls of Washington what is needed is a new Cabinet post; “Secretary of Sin and Evil” to manage all of it. Bill Clinton could get a shoo in vote from congress. It is time for the Electoral College to do their duty and stop this would be dictator/criminal/latest version of an Antichrist  from being seated once again. Everyone knows the vote was “Arranged”. Anonymous voting  needs to end. Everyone should receive a certified voter receipt showing the results of their vote and their name . All of it recorded so we can easily double check later. Write your state reps. All elections happen in the states.
    Watkinsville Ga

    • MilitaryPatriot

      @DonnyLott L like your comment. Dito

    • Rose Palmer

      Sounds like a good idea, we can give it a try & just hope it works.

  • bennitchi

    I wish you people would quite bringing God into our fight.   He has more important things to do then straighting out the stupid messes we have made in our country.    Just remember God gave us free will and promised never to interfer in our affairs.   So don’t try dragging him into every thing that happens   I hate people who resight scripture as if that means anything.   You better start holding God in a higher plain then bring him up in our stupid disputes. 
     
    Anytime you mention God it should be in your heart not into the stupid mess stupid people make.   We use God so carelessly  “( Boy if we don’t do this,  GOD will  make  it right.  )  and then they go on and mention scripture to try backing up what they are saying.   (90%  of the time they don’;t know what they are ytalking about.     So leave Gods name out of all our troubles  don’t try showing how  bessed you are.   Because you as all of us are sinners and we need to show God we can fix our own problems  as long as we know he is close by.,      Michael   .

    • Pat78

      @bennitchi By not bringing God into our lives, we have antichrist types like you taking over.  That’s how we got ourselves in the mess in the first place!  I’ll go back to the 60′s when prayer was taken out of schools.  That certainly has hurt our nation.  So, you’ll never get your wish.  That’s one thing we can all be certain of that Christ stated, “And I say unto you, that you are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”  Matt.16:18-19   We’re here to stay until the end of this age!

      • LarryChambers

        @Pat78  @bennitchi You knocked a home run!!!! That is it, you hit the nail on the head. That’s what the Church needs; postive and truthful reflection. BOOM, BOOM that’s my heart beatin for ya. May God contiue to bless you throughout your life, in Christ’s name, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Pat78  @bennitchi Hey, ole buddy, still beating up the bad guys?? You know what there are not near enough of us doing the work of GOD. It seems like there are so many good people loyal Americans but not many dare speak up FOR GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. Someone ask me one day, “Do you always have to drag GOD in?”. I told him/her that indeed I do because “HE IS MY ALL, WITH OUT I WOULD BE NOTHING.” MAY GOD KEEP YOU AND BLESS YOU,  AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAND. i NEED A PRAYING SPEAKING GOD’S WORD BUDDY.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @Pat78  @bennitchi Many are called but few chosen. He must mean that there will be more people against God than those for Him. I’ll take a mouth full of God before I’d take a mouth full of the world anytime. IIt’s so easy to get snatched away from the truth and many Christians have fallen victim to satanic strategies believing they were invinsible to Satan. I’ve tried to explain to some that we are no match for this guy. He doesn’t have the same powers as the Trinity but he is far more intelligent and stronger than we are. His demonic forces are the ones who influence the world leaders. The reason they can get at them is because they have no spiritual protection. They have no spiritual armor, they cannot be clothed with light like we who believe in Christ can. When we put on Christ we are clothed with light ,(truth, humilityand love) and therefore you can function in the plan of God. God is perfect and He cannot accept anything unless it is perfect. That is why human effort towards anything is no good. God only sees us through His Son therefore anything we do must be done in Christ because He is God and He is perfect. None comes to the Father but by me. So much for religion.

        • Pat78

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi Well Larry, I was with you until you wrote “So much for religion.”  I take that to mean that religion gets in the way.  If that’s what you mean, than this is my understanding of the Church that Jesus started.  There are many scriptures in the Bible that refer to the establishment of the Church that Jesus Christ started knowing we humans need human guidance.  Jesus refers to us as “the body of Christ” and that each member is significant for the mission of Christianity and in bringing souls to the Kingdom.  The reason Christians aren’t as strong of a presence in this world is because we are divided in our beliefs and interpretations to the point that some who call themselves Christians think that a personal relationship with Christ is primarily what we need.  That is misinformation.  To fulfill the mission that God designed for each and every one of us, it is easier to be able to “hear” the voice of God through a personal relationship, but there is much work to do in fulfilling our missions.  United we stand.  Divided we fall.

        • LarryChambers

          @Pat78  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi And you are still with me.
          What that phrase represents is the fact that Christianity (those who follow Christ, those who understand that it is faith alone in Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation) is not a RELIGILON. Religion is man’s way of trying to get to God. It is religion that Satan uses to confuse man. All you need to do is look where and how they got Started. Start with the first one. Catholisism and work your way forward. You will find they all originated from human viewpoint. But God is a spirit, and those that worship Him MUST worship Him in Spirit and TRUTH. W e all have the right to worship whichever religion we choose. Whether it be Baptist, Apostolic, Mormon, Catholic, Seven Day Advents or whichever. They all consist or involve some kind of human effort which to God is nothing but fithy rags. But if one believes in the Lord Jesus Christ thay are saved on the basis of that if aacepts what God has done for man through Christ. I know not nor shall I say who is or who is not saved. God puts people in places not of our understanding. But this is what I am taught, this is in scripture so I believe. I take God’s word at face value. I add nothing to it nor do I take from it. Have you studied the mystery doctrines of the Church age believers? There’s tons of info for living the protocol plan of God for  living the unique spiritual life contained in them.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Pat78  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi You are right to take it exactly as it is. When we try to explain the WORD OF GOD we should let be known that anything other than GOD’S WORD  that we write or speak is our idea of HIS WORD and not part  HIS WORD . There are so many people who do not realize that. We have this exactly advice in Rev. 22:18-20
           
          18. For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
          19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
          20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly, Amen. Even so, Come, LORD JESUS.
           
           
          Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as  an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
           
          What I would like to do more than anything else is to live a perfect life for GOD but I realize that it would be easier to grow wings and fly as it would be to live a perfect life. That is the best way I can think of to describe ” My righteousness is as filthy rags. If we do not realize this as a fact we are in trouble. Check out Mark 7:20-23

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers  @Pat78  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi Larry, it seems like a waste of time to tell you that those who do believe in Jesus must OBEY Jesus in order to be saved. Faith alone is useless. If what a person believes does cause the person to do what faith calls for them TO do, faith is dead, says James, speaking for the Lord Jesus. When the church began, the apostle Peter is quoted, speaking for Jesus and all the apostles to tell sincere seekers how to save themselves from sin. He didn’t say all they had to do was believe. Acts 2:38 points out what believing sinners must DO to receive eternal life and to receive the gift of God’s Spirit living within them. And then we need to speak up for Jesus every day we live, even if it costs us life on this earth. We are invited to live for Jesus and enjoy eternal life. This involves more than changing our minds!

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers  @Pat78  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi Larry, it seems like a waste of time to tell you that those who do believe in Jesus must OBEY Jesus in order to be saved. Faith alone is useless. If what a person believes does not cause the person to do what faith calls for them TO do, faith is dead, says James, speaking for the Lord Jesus. When the church began, the apostle Peter is quoted, speaking for Jesus and all the apostles to tell sincere seekers how to save themselves from sin. He didn’t say all they had to do was believe. Acts 2:38 points out what believing sinners must DO to receive eternal life and to receive the gift of God’s Spirit living within them. And then we need to speak up for Jesus every day we live, even if it costs us life on this earth. We are invited to live for Jesus and enjoy eternal life. This involves more than changing our minds! — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org.

        • Pat78

          @LarryChambers@Evermyrtle@bennitchi Larry, I am so with you that not all will be saved.  In this age, there are many who have chosen to assume God’s love is hearts and flowers and doesn’t require giving our whole selves in sacrifice as Jesus did.  God desires that all be saved, but because he also gave us free will, we choose to love God above all or ourselves.  
          It was Martin Luther who added the word “alone” to Rom. 3:28
          http://www.cogwriter.com/luther.htm
          “Furthermore, Martin Luther himself reportedly said,
          You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: ‘Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,’…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word ‘alone’ is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127).”
           
          The book of ACTS is full of information on the Church that Jesus established and how the community would take care of one another and band together to go out and teach the Gospel to the world under an earthly head appointed by Jesus.  In several of St. Paul’s letters, he spoke of the Word and the unwritten traditions that God gave us.   
           
          Faith would also move us to action and join others in the Spiritual works of Mercy and the Corporal Works of Mercy:  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Pat78  @bennitchi
          When get to thinking about what “many are called but a few are chosen.
           
          I think we can explain this like this. A great group of people  may have a project. Reed has the plans, he gives each person a certain part to  do and explains exactly how each part is to be done, to the person doing that job, and leaves them to do the jobs. he has given them.  75% of the workers while the are doing his part, can see plainly how it would be better to do something a little different than by the directions he was given, After all a change that small will never be noticed. The 25 % did the job exactly as his directions said. There jobs happened to be done right in one spot, all together.
           
          When Reed returns the job done by the 25 people perfect, worked as it was designed to word. The 75% had to be destroyed. The thing was a total failure..

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @LarryChambers  @Pat78  @bennitchi  I feel sure that Larry realizes that faith alone simply will not save us.
           
          James 2:14-20
           
          14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works: can faith save him?
          15. If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily bread,
          16. And one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
          17. Even so faith,if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
          18. Yea, a man may say, thou hast faith, and I have works; shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
          19 Thou believest that there i one GOD; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble
          20. But will thou know, O vain man, that faith with works is dead?

        • LarryChambers

          @Ray Downen  @Pat78  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi You are confusing yourself. I believe I tried to sypathize with you earlier in telling you that you want to know scripture and you want ti know God. So lets try this. EVERY-THING and ANY KNOWLEDGE that has to do with God, the Holy Spirit, faith, reconcilliation, redemption, propitiation, expitiation, baptism, the kingdom of God and Christ, eternal life, eternal death , and the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. MUST and ALWAYS WILL BEGIN and END WITH CHRIST. He is the alpha and the omega of all things who created all things whether they be seen or unseen. HE ALONE bore man’s sins in His own body on the cross. He died so that all men would have an equal opportunity to have a relationship with God. Man had violated God’s righteous standard and God’s righteousness says man was guity and deserved to spend all eternity in the lake of fire which had been prepared for Satan and his demons. But He had mercy on us and through His great wisdom and knowledge and by His rightesousness He designed a plan whereby we could be saved IF we accept His gift of grace. Man would confess that he was wrong and accept His gift of redemption which would come through the Lord Jesus Christ. Since God is perfect all he can accept is what is perfect. Man had sinned so he couldn’t pay the penalty which was eternal death. It would take a perfect sacrifice and that would be Christ who payed the price for us. Nobody else could do it  or did it but Him. There was no other way for man we were without hope. That is why it is faith alone in Christ is the only way to be saved. Whether you are saved  is determined on whether or not YOU truly believe in Christ. Everybody is resposinble for their own salvation. You must study, you must fellowship with others so they can help you understand scripture or you will always beconfused.

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers    I’m not confused at all. But anyone IS confused who assumes that faith alone is anything other than dead, just as James points out clearly in simple speech. Faith ALONE is dead. Inert. Useless until joined with obedience to the object of the faith. And the Word tells us how we obey the gospel. It’s not secret, yet many who seek to follow Jesus seem to not understand the simple steps which bring sinners INTO Christ (Gal.3:27).

        • LarryChambers

          @Ray Downen You are missing the whole point of my discussion.
          First you must understand what faith is. If you or anybody believe ,(puts their faith in) that you can be SAVED by any other means or any other way than  by FAITH IN CHRIST you are wrong. It has nothing to do with the works you’re talking about in James. All you need to do is read acts 4:12 for this particular subject. Now, what James is taliking about is that if you have faith in Christ it will show up in your life.. How you live in respect to God and His commandments and the commandments of Christ. Those things you do for others because  of your FAITH in Christ. That is why Paul says whatever you do , do all in the name of Christ. That way your works are done in Christ and not of yourself. God sees that and He is glorified and you are blessed. So whatever you do in the name of the Lord and it;s purified so to speak.
          Please try and understand what I’m saying. There is no more need of any negetivity from you on this matter. The door to my heart is always open should you need help but you must also have a willing mind to understand.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Ray Downen  Don’t get upset when some disagrees, just search the truth out because none of have all the facts. We need to help each other to understand points they or we may be weak on. I have had people talk real hateful to me, but it does not bother me I have heard it all before. If they disagree and have scriptures to prove it, fine I accept it. Living according to GODS WORD is an ongoing thing, we will never have it all. It is not necessary to agree on all points to be friends., and love each other.
          If someone can give me a point that I have missed I appreciate it.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen Sweetheart, you are exactly right. But neither do I allow people to get me upset. That’s why my conversation is never mean or cross. Neither will you see me use abusive conversation or any  harsh name calling.Gentleness, kindness, meekness and genuine humility are the ways of our Savior. All of these qualities are representitive of LOVE. And that’s the point God wants us to grow to spiritualy. In these things are we to conduct ourselves, not like the world does who do  not know Christ.
          It is by our faith in Christ that we are saved from God’s wrath which is to come upon all who do not believe in Christ. We cannot be saved by the name of our church or any organized religious efforts, it is only through Christ and that is the alone I am referring too.. You can always tell when people don’t read the scripture you give them because their response will be an absolute opposite of what you referred them to.  Alot of people are into self righteousness. And those are the ones unwilling to listen to the truth no matter how many scriptures you give them. And that’ causes a big problem in the Church.
          Paul says in Eph 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit,just as you were called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism; One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Paul followed after Christ as He states in Phil 3:9, And be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the rightousness which is from God by faith. Thank you for your understanding heart Myrtle.
           
           
          Myrtle, you have such a beautiful way of delighting ones innermost with kindness and thoughtfulness making frienship a most treasured value.
           
          Stay as sweet as you have always been my friend, I shall never forget you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen Once in a while I do get a little crabby, even though I do not mean to because the truth can be harsh. I know you have heard the phrase”Let the drop fall where it may”? WelI, I think that is what JESUS did. HE spoke the truth  if it stung, it stung and we must do the same. If it can be said nicely, say it nicely but if there is no way make it sound pleasing, don’t back off because of that, speak the truth.
           
          Yes I admit that you are never mean, never call anybody names, you are always courteous. Your scriptures Eph. 4:4-6 add verse 7 to that and the gospel could be spoken in just those few verses, especially if you add Matt 22:36-40. These Scriptures tell the whole story. It amazes me that with these scriptures alone why anybody could not live for GOD. They tell the story of salvation, except the part where HE came for the purpose to die that horrible death, so that I might be saved by the shedding of HIS precious BLOOD.. Why is the WORD so complicated for so many people. I can tell you have had excellent Christian  teachers.
           
          One problem is that in some denominations, or maybe it is just their own belief they want to throw out scriptures that do not need to be heeded. i get back talked all of the time over this fallacy and they seem to be completely blind too the truth. That will not stop me I will tell the truth.
           
          Name calling is completely out of order. If you do not understand according somebody else or if you do not know at all does not make you any more of an idiot than the one calling you an idiot. There is not one of us who has it all. We find in I Cor. !3:12 For now we see through a glass darkly  but then face to face: now I know  in part; but then shill I know even as I am known
           
          I try to ignore it when someone tries to insult me because I know GOD is with me. and HE would not have me to answer in the same way.
           
          You might be helped by not trying too hard, just let JESUS lead the way. Sometime I get over enthusiastic when I see a need and have to make myself back off a mite.
           
          Please pray for me. I think I must go to my doctor tomorrow for a possible serious condition.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen Hello my dear sister in Christ. Yes sweetheart, I have prayed for you and that all will be well. None of us are perfect and we need eachother to point that out from time to time. We as Christians are to comfort, teach, instruct and pray for one another. We are to be kind and tender hearted towards others. But we are to stand up for the truth. We are to uphold the integrity of God’s word and His grace. You are so true in your saying that denominations exchange the word, they with hold the word and they change the word of God. And that is what makes religion so dangerous. Some are confused between Christianity and religion. Christianity is a relationship with a real person; that person is the Lord Jesus Christ. Religion is MAN’S way to get to God. It is what man thinks he can do for God or what man thinks it takes to get to heaven. There is nothing we can do or have to do,  God has done ,(provided)  all that is necessary for us through the saving grace of Christ, Acts 4:12. In response to Matt 22:36-40, I think you’ll find John 13:34  has some additional flavor. Be  as sweet as you have always been and remember, if you’re a saint I’ve got you prayed for.
           
          Loving you always, Larry.

        • bennitchi

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @Ray Downen 
          Hi Ray  I really am sorry if you think I was mad at what was said to me.  Sometime writing doesn’t always come out the same way it was meant.   Believe me I am never mad at anything God says  Or people who try to imulate his words.  I look at my self  and say don’t you dare get mad because you are as big a sinner as anyone else and in some cases  more so.  I just love the Godly exchanges we have gotten.  All you people don’t try saying things with anger  because too often it will come back to bite you.  If I say something that offends you  I am sorry …However if you deserve it  than I say to you,  tough  get over it.   Once again, great to see some decent conversation  God bless all you great people Believers and non believers. you non bliever need it more then the believers   Like it or not God loves you and you can’t stop him from doing so.    God Bless you all,  believe it or not I Love all you guys
           
          Michael

        • bennitchi

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @Pat78 
          Hey  old friend  Isn’t this amazing that one subject  can hold so many peoples interest as much as this Subject has?   I am glad I started it.  Just maybe if we can get enough people talking and thinking about God we can get him to be very important once again and in our country where he belongs ( Not that he insn’t important now  but you know what I mean.  I haven’t heard God mentioned so often in months.   It warms my heart to know that he still has many friends and believers here in America.  Maybe we aren’t lost after all .  Now if we can apply as much effort in getting rid of the dude in the Whitehouse  now that would be great.   I feel in my heart that God is smiling right now saying to his angels  See they do still love me     Oh My God if only you knew how much.
           
          Michael

        • Evermyrtle

          @bennitchi  @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @Pat78 You are right there are many Christian on this site. I like the thought, that is the propose of the name of this site.”The Last Resistance.” We could very well be the last generation to Resist the evil that is “swamping the world. I very much enjoy corresponding with all of the Christians that write posts here.It is such a wonderful way to be able to correspond with like believers. You can sit right at home minding your own business and do it. Thanks millions!!! for all Christians that correspond here.

        • LarryChambers

          @bennitchi  @Evermyrtle  @Pat78 Excuse me please! May I add a lil bit of some-thing? It is truly wonderful to see we have so many hearts towards God. But we must always keep in mind God is also SERIOUS about us obeying and coming to know His Son. If we truly love God our attitudes, our coversation, our actions and our love  for one another will reflect all that we say. For you see, love requires more than a mention.
          I pray that may help strengthen us and help us focus more intently.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 Hey!! How are you? I’ve been thinking about you and praying from time to time. I’ve had a wonderful time today practising my Christian behavior. I’ll let God do the grading. Get in touch and let me know how my sweet sistr in Christ is doing. May you be blessed in Christ, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 
          iI am doing great, this is an opportunity that i did not before, witnessing for my GOD AND SAVIOR AT EVERY CHANCE.This a blessing and a pleasure to be able to speak up for HIM, He has done so much for me and my family. Are you from a large family? There are sis of us and the youngest is 76 years old. Always nice to hear from you!!

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @bennitchi  @Pat78 GOD is love and HE portrays nothing but love, Love in HIS guiding us, in chastising us, because HE loves us. HE sent HIS only SON TO DIE FOR US. in everything that HE does.his LOVE IS THE ONLY LOVE WITH SUCH CAPACITY.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 My pryers have been answerd, I am most grateful to him who loves us, in Christ’s name, amen. Yes I am. My mother had 15, her sister had 14. I believe before each of them passesd they had over 100+ grand children between them and counting. This has been a wonderful experience for me as well. It has been both gratfying and challenging. I ‘ve had the opportunity to shrae in God’s happiness and I’ve learned some-things that will really help me in my spiritual walk through life.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 
           
          Large families can be such a blessing when all or at least most of them are Christians. They can be such a joy to each other.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 Just keep listening for that trumpet and keep your eyes on the clouds.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @bennitchi  @Pat78 Indeed Larry!…and should we assume you will continue to have your spiritual side lodged up your arse where you can’t see anything?  pull it out and be watching…your redemption is nearer!

        • LarryChambers

          @dntmkmecomoverther  Thank you!!! It really delights my heart to know that you would take notice of my love for Christ. And yes, my spirituality is buried deep within me. My love for mankind is from a pure heart, a clear conscious and my love for God is with sincere faith. But tell me, how is it that you know my redemption is nearer? For you have said nothing of your own. And why is your conversation sprinkled with such hatred towards me? If I have said anything that offends you, I deeply apologize. May you be blessed in Christ, amen. Maranath.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @dntmkmecomoverther  An excellent way to handle undeserved sarcasm and ridicule. This comments tells so much about us. We tell on our selves by the things we say, by the things that we write, by the books that we read, by the place that we go to by everything we want around  us. We can tell that you are Christina who love GOD and  HIS SON JESUS CHRIST best of all. Again an excellent answer.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Thank my dear! He that is in me is greater than he that is in the world. Love is always the best protection for evil.

    • KennethRogers

      you made all these claims about God. can you back them with scripture and verse. I personally would like to know were God promised not to interfere in our affairs. I mean if that were the case where does prayer come in??
      @bennitchi

      • Ray Downen

        @KennethRogers  What’s clear is that God will not force anyone to do anything. He has made us FREE moral agents. It’s by free choice that we obey the gospel and serve Jesus as Lord.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Ray Downen  @KennethRogers  That’s more evangelical, theological hogwash…so do not bath in that Ray.  God gave free will so that  when we hear the Gospel, we either receive it freely by His grace and mercy, or we reject it…that’s the only ‘choice’ in the matter.  See Luther’s explanation of the 3rd Article in the Small Catechism.
           
          As for obeying the Gospel, that is a backward thought.  The Gospel is claiming and proclaiming redemption for lost and sinful souls…there is nothing to obey, but plenty to be thankful for.  Now, the Law is what I think you meant to say.  We can obey God’s Law only by the Gospel at work within us (Holy Spirit, sanctification).  Outside of this, you and I are not capable of doing anything that God would call ‘good’. 
           
          Once a person is ‘of God’ in Baptism and is living the sanctified life, we can no longer look at ourselves as ‘free moral agents’, but are servants of God in Christ.  We were ‘free moral agents’ headed for hell when God intervened and offered up His One and Only Son…by that great gift, we have hope and peace as we look to life eternal.  Hope this helps.

        • Evermyrtle

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Ray Downen  @KennethRogers   Is there any particular reason that you are so negative toward Christians? Most of the time if I do not like comments, I simple do not answer, but on the other hand I never go on sites where I hate their stand. Now, there are some anti-GOD JESUS hating sites that I  have heard of. You may be able to find some of them and key in and be able to find  subjects that you like and read your kind of stuff. Why do you even bother  with us. Try “Rightwing”. I went on it and wrote one comment thinking that it really was right wind but, never have I read such filth in my life. I got off of that thing just as quick as I could.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen  @KennethRogers …was your comment aimed at me Evermyrtle?

        • Evermyrtle

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @Evermyrtle  @Ray Downen  @KennethRogers It should have been Kenneth Rogers!!!

      • bennitchi

        @KennethRogers God doesn;t need to be backed up. And he sure don’t need backing with scripture and or verse. In fact he doesn’t need much of anything from us we are all sinners and don’t deserve to even mention his name. But he wants us to love him unconditionally . Not by force but by our free will  God can do or cause to be done anything he wishes but he doesn’t want our love because he is forcing us to love him What good is love if it has to be forced. God never leaves our side he is ready to always give us the right answers or make the right answers available if we need it   It is known that god gave us free will  to do what ever we wanted to do.  good or bad  that was our choice.
         
        No I don’t have a large family  I had two sons and a most beautiful daughter. But God decided to call her home she had breast cancer.  Two days after she passed away they found a new born baby thrown in a dumpster,  My daughter was a beautiful girl  never smoked, never drank   had her own garden loved God and was everything god would want.  So as you can imagine  When she died I had a problem with God.  I talked to a priest  and asked him why in heck didn’t God take the person who threw the baby in the dumpster rather then my beautiful daughter.    The priest Said   Michael, God doesn’t want garbage in heaven   I guess that is a good answer but not very satisfing .  But  after a time with out God in my life for a while I became a shell not looking foreward to live . then I slowly felt god taking my hand and started guiding me along.  I truely feel sorry for people who haven’t  got room for god in their life.  He is so important  to how we look at things and for someone to talk to.    well good night my dear friends  God bless you all and may he give you what you need and not what you ask for.  Good night I love you all.   Yea even you nonbelievers
         
        Michael

        • Evermyrtle

          @bennitchi  @KennethRogers   A beautiful heart rending post. I can understand the bitterness when your heart was broken, or shall I say, your heart was shattered, and the only one who could save  did not save  her. It takes a while sometime to really come to our senses in such  (to us) an earth shattering experience. I, too lost a daughter, a daughter-in-law really but I called myself, her “second mother,” after fighting cancer for two years. it;s been 2 1/2 years and my heart is still “raw” But like you, I know she is in a better place than we are.

    • Evermyrtle

      @bennitchi I think you are talking about a different God, that is not my GOD. He does care, HE will lead us, HE will direct, if we will allow it. HE answers my prayers every day, but HE does not force HIMSELF on us. HE never said that HE would not interfere in our actions. but again, HE will not force HIS way. I do not drag HIM into my affairs, HE is there just as long as I will allow HIM to be, because HE knows as soon as we force HIM away Satan will be in charge. BUT AGAIN HE will l not stop us usually, if we are “hellbent” to destroy ourselves but  even in such cases HE has been known to save people from their foolish acts. not force HIMSELF. If GOD’S people do not witness”to the stupid mess of stupid” how will they ever get to know HIM. It our duty to witness and try to change people. If we refuse to do this and there is one who would have listened and you failed to tell him, his soul will be on your hands.

    • LarryChambers

      @bennitchi I think what’s bothering you is the fact that you don’t know God and you don’t know scripture, but you wish  you did. The reason people mention God is because they know He has the answers and the solutions to our problems. The know of His power and that it is limitless.
      They know that He ALWAYS has time for us. They know that He lives within every Church age believer and He will never leave us. And you too can come to know these things if you let go of your wants and desires for His. In other words, free yourself of your worldly desires. God has a purpose and a plan for each one of our lives. But He does not force Himself upon anyone. Every-thing He does He does with grace ,(freely.) Christ gives you a wonderful invitation into this grace plan in Matt11:28-30. Your frustration in not knowing these things is a heavy weight for you. So, take the time to LEARN of Christ and what He has to offer. God wants to be involved in every aspect of our lives individualy and collectively. Our uphill battle right now is our leading officals. If they would accept Gods grace plan and stay in fellowship with Him, I most assuredly know that things will turn around. You tried every-thnig else, now try it God’s way and gain the knowledge of God that will bring peace and stability to your life. May you be blessed in Christ, amen.

      • Ray Downen

        @LarryChambers  @bennitchi Obama in his youth was taught to believe in Allah, the moon god of Arabia. He apparently still believes in that false god, if we can judge by what he does and says. Our nation is imperiled by Obama’s wrong thinking, as was apparent long before the election just completed. And it seems that (if the voting count could be trusted, which seems very much in doubt) more wanted to see the nation ruined than not. I feel that a recount of the swing state votes is in order. Romney won in every state where voter I.D. is required. He got exactly NO votes in some precincts in the states which put Obama in the winning circle. And we’re supposed to believe the count was honest? Let’s demand a recount in every “swing” state which brought victory to Obama.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Ray Downen  @LarryChambers  @bennitchi   It is not possible that eh could get every vote in any poll in the USA. This alone should have merited a recount and eve a re-vote. We have been ho-dooed and they are going to get away with it. They are calling the biggest fools who ever walked the earth and we are!!! The dictator must be thrown out before it is too late

    • Rose Palmer

      You have a terrible belief & attitude. God is everywhere, no matter how you try to twist it, God is in your home, in your car, in your work & everywhere you turn. If you do not believe that, you will never have the privelege of spending your after life w/ him, you will be w/ the other guy. Hope you like the heat.@

      • bennitchi

        @Rose Palmer Dear Rose are you capable of reading.  When did I say God was not with me or all over.? ”  He is everything everywhere and with us all.   What in Gods name gave you the impression that I did not want to be near him.   Go over my email again and then tell me where and When I said anything against God.  Don’t make something out of nothing.  God doesn’t like that either.
         
        Michael

  • Nancy

    Ryan
    We must bring God into our affairs. We are his children and most of us are bumbling idiots–trying to get everything we want, do anything we want, despite the 10 Commandments. Ever hear of those? All of these nonwed unions, abortions, babies born our of wedlock, greed, power, nastiness towards other people. We must convert and bring God back into our lives, living according to His will, not our will. Living according to our will is what has gotten us in this mess in the first place!

    • Evermyrtle

      You are 100% correct.  We have nothing, absolutely nothing that GOD did not make., but we never give that  a thought we are naive enough to think that someway we deserve it.
       
       
      REVELATION 21:1-4
      1. And I saw a new heaven and anew earth for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
      2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down fro GOD our of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
      3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,Behold, the tabernacle of GOD is with men, and HE will dwell with them, and they shall be HIS people, and GOD HIMSELF shall be with them, and be their GOD.
      4. And GOD shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall b no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be anymore pain: for the former things are passed away
      5. And HE that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And HE said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful

    • Rose Palmer

      Most of us believe in God, He is all powerful & just. When he is ready, this president will vanish & go w/ the devil, his partner in everything he does. Pray for that day to come soon. By his own admission, Obama said he has no religion, he believes in one thing, Obama! If you do not have God in your heart, you have nothing. That is our president, nothing.

  • guest18

    Ray, I never said the House hasn’t done anything, so I’m not sure why you are including me in your reply. Everything the House has sent to the Senate has been shelved by Harry Reid.

    • Ray Downen

      @guest18 The “program” shows all preceding in a link as ones being replied to even when it’s a reply to only one. I assumed I had to leave the “box” as it was when I indicated I wanted to reply.

  • Raez

    someone said the president doesnt’ wtite them…..well he doesn’t do the actual writting  but you can bet whoever wrote them did so at his command!   he is such a crook and so dishonest……he pretends there is no constitution or bill of rights,,,,,,and what bothers me is he is getting away with it…….god help America

  • Rose Palmer

    @Since the day this person was sadly put into office, nothing he has done has made any sense or been good for our country. And then he made another term? What are people that voted for him thinking? Do they like that we are rapidly becoming like Europe? We cannot take another 4 years of this hypocrisy & allow our nation to become so dependent on government that we will have a piece of land, run by & for the government, no say in anthing that matters & no longer the nation we have been since George Washington. We need a new leader, like yesterday, one who is devoted to making America the land it was & is supposed to be.

  • The Scotsman

    I am questioning this multiple posting by Lifefrye. Why are you sending around 15 postings (for the same thing) every day?  It is totaly unnecessary what you are doing! GET THE HELL OFF the internet. You are loading my e-mail pages with garbage. I read your first posting and I now know what you said. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! 
     
    STOP POSTING THE SAME MESSAGE EVERY DAY!!!  Tou have become a Big pain in the A*S.

  • sarahballantyne

    To: Rose Palmer:: I think that everyone believes in God no matter what their religion is and when we pray to HIM
    He will answer. Not always in the way you want HIM to, but HE answers you. HE has angels looking out for you
    and everyone else and sometimes you see them and sometimes you don’t as they do not want to be idolized. They
    are there also to help with your prayers. GOD is aware of our lives and HE has given us permission to live our
    lives like “We” want as it is called Free Will. You have the choice in what you want to do right or wrong.

  • bennitchi

    Okay people I will say one more thing and I wish you take this the way it is meant .  I have no problem with people saying what ever they want to say. Mention God as often as you please  but what bothers me is People who pray usually pick their nails. look around and not really paying attention to God.  Then they happen to see someone looking at them. and all of a sudden you would think that God touched them   They get so serious ,,, WHY? because someone is looking.  Can’t you talk to god and feel love for him as much as you should without people looking at you.   Do you people feel important that people think how holy you are.   The important thing is what does God feel and see in you.    Just remember  you can’t fool him He knows what you are thinking or whispering.  Pray with him in your heart and mind don’t worry about who is watching you.  I took a friend in to my church the other day and was praying in front of a statue of the blessed Mother Mary .   When we left he said  you see that is what bothers me about you catholics     I looked at him and said what.    You pray to a statue  and didn’t god say you should not have false gods before me,  Isn’t that praying to something other then God?.   You catholic always do that and that is what people find fault with you catholics.   I couldn’t help smiling and I asked him do you have a picture of your wife?  He said yes I do and pulled her out of his wallet.    I asked him who is that?    Look at me sort of strangely and said, that is my wife.  
    No that is a picture of your wife when you feel lonely  you pull her out and sometimes kiss her and say how much you love her.    You are not holding a false picture of your wife  you do it to remind you who she is and for concentration while talking to her.    So it is with us catholics  We don’t pray to her statue ,it is just an object to hold our minds to who we are talking to.    And praying to her and not at her asking for her intervention to help you to win favor of God.   And what better person that the mother of God to ask for help/    So we don’t pray to a statue or worship it   it is just a reminder who we are talking to   No one is greater than God.  So quit thinking we are praying to false inages  
     
    I hope I clearified a little something about us catholics.   No matter what religion you belong to  we all have the same GREAT GOD.    God bless,,,,     Michael

    • Evermyrtle

      A denomination or a religion cannot save you, it must be by accepting JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR. I believe that there will people in heaven from every Christian denomination. I do want people to know, not think that I am a Christian, but a sinner, too. I would hate like everything for anybody to think I did not love my SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST but I do or say anything that is not from my heart. It is according to GOD’S WORD and if nobody likes it and calls me names that is tough is all that I can say. I refuse to say things for no other reason than to please anybody, of course if you have been reading my post you know that.  I will stand for what I believe not what I think people want to hear. 
       
      Of course I do know you are telling the truth about so many people who are like that . We are not Christians because we say we are Christians but because of what we believe, what we say and what we do, and I know that I am a sinner, will always be a repenting sinner, until JESUS CHRIST TAKES ME HOME.
       
      By the way I never did that with a picture!!

    • LITom

      @bennitchi
       I’ve often been at a loss as how to explain, to what you did so simply! Thanks!

  • sarahballantyne

    The bigger the families the more they can help each other in everything. If they can afford them so be it, but just to
    have a large family and you and yours are working yourself to death (so to speak) to keep everyone together is not
    worth it. Be sure you can afford to feed them and cloth them before you have that many.

    • Ray Downen

      @sarahballantyne Some believe in letting God determine how many children a couple should have. It’s obvious that most families nowadays don’t consult God in the matter.

  • Rose Palmer

    Michael, If I offended you I am sorry. I don’t really remember what I said & obviously misunderstood your statement. I have grown so tired of people degrading Romney, I probably got your post confused w/ some one elses. Please send me the post so I can read it again..  Again I apologize for the confusion & wish you a Healthy & Happy Thanksgiving.
    Rose

  • Rose Palmer

    I cannot find words to express the pain & sadness losing a child brings. You’re life is forever altered. But yes, God gets you through it & peace will come when you know that child is with God.

  • LarryChambers

    @ Evermrytle, Hello my dear sister in Christ!! You continue to delight my heart with sweet songs of genuine humilty and thoughtfulness. I prepared something  for you I hope you will enjoy.
     
     
    FLOWERS
    We do not always understand
    Why God
    Does what He does
    But whatever God does
    He does because He loves us
    Mrytle
    Your children will be remembered
    As beautiful flowers of love
    Time spent was so beautiful
    And the beauty of your love
    Made life so wonderful
    Memories of them will not
    Fade with the passing of time
    For the beauty of their love
    Will forever live your heart and in
    Your mind
     
     
    May you have a beautiful Spirit filled day.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LarryChambers Thank You , that is so pretty. Makes us understand in even better that GOD does have a reason for every thing HE dos as well as the things he allows. When we begin to doubt when everything seems to be going haywire, WE NEED TO REMEMBER, HE SENT HIS OWN VERY PRECIOUS SON WHO NEVER SINNED, NOT ONE TIME, AND ALLOWED HIM TO DIE, NOT IN ANY COMMON WAY BUT IN A SUCH A HORRIBLE DEATH, THAT WE MIGHT BE SAVED. HE COULD NOT EVEN WATCH, AS THE WORLDS SINS WAS POURED ON HIS BACK. HE ALLOWED HIM TO DIE IN AGONY AS EVERY DROP OF BLOOD WAS SHED TO COVER OUR SINS, NOT HIS, BECAUSE HE HADNONE.

      • LarryChambers

        @Evermyrtle Thank you !! I really appreciate your wonderful compliment. It really, really inspires me. It is my gift of giving comfort to others and have compassion for others in the sphere of love. I take in consideration what my pastor teaches us and I take those things and apply them to my life. There is so much to the death of Christ. It means so much, much more than Him simply dying on the cross. He did every-thing whlie He was on earth in His humanity. He felt more pain on that cross than we could ever imagine. But what He experienced the most was those hours He hung there suffering SPIRITUAL DEATH for us. At that time He was seperated from God which He had never been. But had He not died there would be no hope for us. We would all have been residents in the lake of fire for all eternity. The Holy Spirit sustained Him until He withdrew from Him while He went through spiritual death. I wrote that poem for a school mate who’s mother had passed two years prior. But I’m happy that you enjoyed it. I may send you some other things from time to time if you don’t mind. We have a wonderful time with them at my church. Different ones touch different people in different ways but we give all the glory to God for the sweet blessing He has brought to our lives.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle You got that right and I am so glad that I can say that I am HIS, ans I ma HIS to stay, forever.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle We read on the same page without difficulty. And when Christians are able to do that they can see the light f a new day. Because we walk in the newness of life. The Christ centered life. Here is another one you may enjoy.
           
           
          MAY THIS BE LOVE
          Father, you have never
          Failed me
          Your grace will not carry
          Me
          Faster than I need to go
          Your mercy will not
          Take me anywhere I need
          Not be
          I shall not fear
          Nor shall I doubt
          Because in my heart I know
          Every step of my life
          You are with me
           
          Give the glory to God who loves and through His beloved Son has saved us.
          Praise be to Him in the highest in Christ’s name, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Truly beautiful

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers This reminds me about the horrors is in store for us if JESUS does not soon return we must still have faith, He is still there right where He has always been, looking our for His people and will not allow more that we can stand to happen to us. Only Believe is an old hymn that we sang long ago but we should revive it. I believe I have a copy of it somewhere.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Thank you! The more I become involved with Christ the more understanding I am given. I know you what a joyful pleasure it is to meet some one else who loves Him dearly.
           
           
          HE IS FAITHFUL
          Trust in the
          Promises of God with
          Faith
          For God is faithful
          He will keep you lifted
          Until He is ready to
          Lay you down
           
           
          May you have God’s blessings, a Spirit filled day and the blessings of Christ,  in Christ’s name, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Thank you, so much!! I needed badly, a message from a Christian. I have been working today with a coupe who have read a little in the Bible and are transcribing it  into what they want it to be, with plenty of ridicule and mixed up understandings. It has been a nightmare. Thanks again, friend and brother in CHRIST.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Thank you my dear sister in Christ. It is my spiritual gift from the Spirit to comfortto the saints in Christ. All of us in Christ are given a gift that we are to use  in the building up of the Church. When we find out what  that gift is we are to use it and by doing so we glorify our Lord. But to a degree we are to be teachers as well enlighting one another and the unsaved. And we will run into ridicule and persecution from time to time. Not that that should dicourage us from proclaiming the name of our Savior. That is why it is so important for us to study God’s word so that we can give correct  the informationto a dying world. But sadly as we have learned, not all will accept it
          and we are not to push the truth on anyone. Everybody has a choice and are to come WILLINGLY to Christ. His grace makes it possible for all to make up their own mind. Our responsibility is to deliver the word, then, get out of God’s way. Isn’t the grace of Christ just simply beautiful? You and I speak as though we’ve known each-other for years, and I have truly enjoyed every moment of ot it.
           
          HEALING OF SORROWS
          When
          Tormented with sorrows
          Your eyes give birth to many
          Tears that fall like rain
          Grief stricken
          Your heart has no place to store
          The pain
          Through the darkness
          He casts His light
          He lifts the chin
          Into you eyes
          He smiles
          Fear not my friend
          I have given my life
          That you may have life
          Keep my words and follow me
          I am with you until the end
           
                                       Larry Chambers 10/27/12
           
           
          By the grace of God may you have a blessed day, abiding in the love of Christ and staying filled with the Spirit.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @EvermyrtleThank you, for listening and giving me courage, you do have a great GOD-given talents. All the good things come from GOD and sometimes we try to claim credit.  When these trials come to us we need to remember that Satan is raging around the world trying to see who he can destroy.    I Peter 5:8. If we live a very clean life and never face any prosecutions, no problems we cannot say that we have really done anything for GOD. We need to be tested, to be tried. These trials make us stronger.

  • JohnnyBo

    Obama needs to be stopped before he destroys this country completely

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @JohnnyBo Agreed; do you have any remedies that we can enlist?  We have 4 yrs of misery ahead of us and if our Republic survives, another 15-20 yrs of ridding ourselves of his influences.

      • Rose Palmer

        I have a remedy, however it is not printable.@

      • Ray Downen

        @dntmkmecomoverther  I suspect he will do so much damage that it will take far more than 20 years for the nation to recover, if recovery is possible. It’s already difficult to see how we can pay off the debts he’s already incurred in our behalf and the freedoms we are losing because of his regulations. Obama is our enemy, and he’s in control now for four years!

    • Evermyrtle

      @JohnnyBo Right, but do you have some appliable suggestions? We know a lot of things that could be done but those who could,should are asleep, died,or something. I do not know what has happened to them but they have not made one move in the last four years to rectify the deplorable, gut wrenching, anti-CHRIST decisions that continue to be made every day. I always seems that the last incident is the worse yet, which means we are sinking in a hurry. Give us a usable hint of how to get rid of the Kenyan!!!!

      • Rose Palmer

        I’m sure I have said this before, we must find a way to impeach him & his entire bunch of liars.

      • Rose Palmer

        How about forcing him to show his REAL birth cerificate, not the phony one he had printed?@.

        • Ray Downen

          @Rose Palmer If he had a real one, surely he wouldn’t have put the fake on on his web site for us all to see! And how could we possibly force Obama to do anything at all. He’s in control and now free to tell US what we must do.

        • Ray Downen

          @Rose Palmer  If he had a real one, surely he wouldn’t have put the fake one on his web site for us all to see! And how could we possibly force Obama to do anything at all. He’s in control and now free to tell US what we must do. Obamacare should give everyone a clue as to the further loss of freedom ahead for all victims of Obama, now President of the U.S.A. Lacking any way to oust the man, many now are giving serious consideration to seceding from the nation we love where liberty was the key to prosperity.

      • LarryChambers

        @Evermyrtle  Hello my sister in Christ!! How are you?  Full of fire as ever I see. I think those in power are all on one side now. I know alot of people don’t agree with that but  how else would you explain what’s taking place. The head man of Republicans is now honoring O, and there have been no voice of disapproval from the other Republicans. It seems they are forming one government which in turn will become one world order with the rest of the world. If not that ,  then there will be something on that order. One things for sure, whatever it is, it spells disater for America. We have certainly placed ourselves in line for divine disipline, as evil in this nation is on a steady increase in all aspects of the American culture. Their objective is to destroy the Constitution first, that is why there are so many attacks on the divne establishment principles. One man -one woman marriage, privacy, in the home, the work place. They are trying to change the face of our culture and bring in socialism, communism and all the reast of it. But fear not, we have a Savior. God bless you and stay sweet.
         
        DEATH of A NATION
        By their hardness
        And
        Stubborness
        By
        Their arrogance and their
        Lofy pride
        Their lust and evil desires
        Upon their epitaph is written:
        They closed their eyes
        They closed their hearts
        They closed their mouths
        They closed their ears
        They closed their minds
        To the knowledge of God
        Thus
        They sank into the deep
         
                           Larry Chambers 11/10/12
         
        Pray for our nation and the nation of Israel, pray for our leaders that God may grant them His wisdom and the common sense to use it.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  Thanks,and just when I needed a little uplift. And think one of those senators was my senator.  Sometimes I forget momentarily to leave it in the hands of GOD, where it belongs. I guess it is the shock that wipes out all sane thoughts.
           
          Haven’t seen any of your posts for a few day, is everything good with your?.
          May GOD bless you as you write for HIM with with HIM as your main thoughts..

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers I forgot to tell you that you always think the nices things to include in your posts, as in your “Death Of A Nation” We must “Pray without Ceasing!’

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle You are kind as always, such a beautiful display of good Christian character. Yes, I am wonderful, thank you for asking. I’ve decided to stay away from certain conversations. Especialy ones that lead to arguementive invitations. They are nothing more than ploys of Satan to get Christians riled up so he can move in on them. So, I follow Pauls warnings not to get involved with conversation that is not beneficial to spiritual growth. I still speak on politics but it is in a manner where Christians should pay attention to the spread of evil, and why these things are taking place in our society. We should be more concerned with the spiritual condition of our nation  rather than the economic issues. More and more people are embracing Islam because Obama has said that he is Muslim and that America will never be at war with any Muslim nation. But we need not fear because it is God who will make a  fool of him IF WE will turn back to Him and worship Him as our true God. If not we can expect divine disipline and captivity just like the children of Israel. I believe it is too late for America, evil is increasing by the moment in high places. We  hear no one (or at least I don’t) speaking against anything Obama does, they all know it’s wrong and that it is against every-thing America stands for yey they give not a whisper in light of the American people. Which to me would suggest they, like most of the nation , have become people of acceptance. When he speaks they humble themselves and give in to his urgings. Even many Christians are involved because of the lure of wealth. It is so tragic to see such beauty die at  the hands of futility. Let us stay in prayer and keep our confindence in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is blessed forever.This one of my favorite poems I hope and pray it will bring you joy and peace and build your confidence as well. I tried to give you my email address so I could send you some words of comfort. May you be blessed in Christ, amen.
           
          WHAT I KNOW
          So many things in life
          And about life I do not
          Know
          But whatever I do not know
          I know God knows
          My confidence in Him
          Leads me to never be confused
          But of complete trust
          In His glorious and unfailing
          Love
           
                                  Larry Chambers 12/6/10
           
          May the grace of God be with you always, may the love of Christ keep you and protect you and supply all that you need, may you be comforted, led, guided and filled with the Holy Spirit, in the precious and glorious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I pray and ask these things giving thanks to the Father in His name, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle Thank you so much,. You are right, the anti-GOD ones just wants to agitate and annoy at any point they can. Many of them come quoting scripture which means nothing Satan does the same thing and the anti-GOD are his followers. It is best to ignore, I am learning, slowly bur still learning. .May GOD bless you,my friend.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Hey my friend and sister in Christ! I get such a joy when I see your name come up on my screen because I know I’m going to get some positive influence from the word of God. And that’s how we should be as Christians, we should be able to COMMUNICATE with one another flowing freely like a waterfall. We all who love God will be learning His word for as long as we are here on earth. When we are filled with the Spirit there is no greater joy than to know you are doing the will of God. So, slowly is the best way to learn doctrine. You must experience in life what you read  from the Bible, and what you hear from your pastor. God’s grace won’t take you any faster than you need to go, (isn’t He such a loving Father?) Christianity is not a light switch; you can’t be saved one day and think you have arrived. It took time to learn bad habits, it’s going to take time to develop new ones. That’s why it is so important to have mercy and forgiveness for others. Some people think that everybody should grow as fast as them but it doesen’t work that way. And in that little conversation  there are tons of doctrine. This poem relates to that.
           
          EYE SEE ME
          Looking into the lives
          Of others
          I see a reflection of
          Mine
          Why then do I
          Look upon my fellowman
          With a heavy eye
           
           
                                  Larry Chambers 11/19/12
           
           
          May you be continually blessed by the grace of our heavenly Father, touched by the love of His beloved Son and your beautiful heart be comforted by His Spirit, in Christ’s name, amen.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle I am truly blessed every moment of my life. HE is right beside and speaks up every time I need HIM. And HE has given me a forgiving spirit, BUT it took me many years and many mistakes before finding it.To get to this point we must be able to see that people are hurting, and that the stuff they are casting on us does not reflect on us but on them and we are innocent until we return the “Barb” We should try to find where their pain is coming from. Some time, we find things that people just so harsh, we should think,”now what caused that” instead of getting hurt by it. The person may have had a terrible experience and is striking our and we just happened to be the one who was standing there.
           
          So many parents teach their children to strike back not to try to find the problem, It is so hard to be able to do this when your child is hurting.  Therefore the child grows up without the wisdom to handle such things when the come face to face with them.
           
          Have a Blessed Day.
          Myrtle

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  The Israelites had to spend 40 years in the wilderness to get Egypt out of them, One can surly hope in the mercy God bestows on us that we do not take that long to grow in his likeness. God is GREAT.

        • dntmkmecomoverther

          @DonBahn1  @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle Hmmm.  You know what’s really frightening?  The 40 yr wilderness sojourn was nothing compared to what YHWH put up with once the kings of Israel/Judah come along. 
           
          Look at Ahab, Ahaz, Manasseh for starters.  From 1049BC until 722BC when the Assyrians begin to really get serious with their seiges of the Northern Kingdom, the Israelites had really gone full tilt apostate…and yet YHWH relented on exiling them out of ‘the land’.  Eventually in 586BC the southern kingdom (Judah) falls as well.  So all together you have almost 500 yrs of apostasy in varying levels which YHWH gave ample time to repent.
           
          …do you suppose we have that long?

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle Don, if  you look in the book of Numbers 33:55 you may see your comment holds a different light. Also in the book of Joshua 23:13 you will find that it has a prophtetic messeage for the children of Israel, which came true in 722 B.C. With the capture of the Northern Kingdom  by the Assyrians, and in 586 B.C. OF Judah of the Southern Kindom by Nebuchadnezzer of the Babylonians. When they came out of Egypt, they were saturated with idolatry which is why they built the golden calf. The Lord instructed them to utterly destroy all idolols and every-thing else in Numbers 33:55. However, they failed to it and just as the Lord had warned them they would nevr get rid of its influence. And that is what led to their being taken into captivity as I previously mentioned.And the same thing holds true for us here in America. America has decided it doesen’t want anything to do with God. Even those who claim to love God are having the cover pulled off them as their falsehood is exposed. We are in big trouble,  big spiritual trouble in this country. An idol is anything you put before God and His commandments and statutes. And you can just look around and see all the gadgets, the hunger for bigger and better, the highest paying job, the best education and the biggest house. These things are called the details of life and there is nothing wrong with them in thereselves. It’s when they take first place before God that they become idols. But it is also our involvment with Satan’s demonic influence in our political system that is reeking havoc on our Constitution which is based on the divine establishment principles from the word of God. It is so sad and I think and feel as you do. I wish God would put a halt to it all. But we have to face the facts and that is God has and is giving us time to come back to Him but we are not listening to Him and we are going to wish that we had. Thanks for considering me. It helps me just as well and I appreciate that. Here’s something that may go along with our converstion.
           
          THE UNFOLDING OF TIME
          Do not be amazed
          What God has spoken
          He will not change
          Bear this in mind
          The events before your eyes
          Is the unfolding of time
           
                                   Larry Chabmers 1/22/12
           
          May God keep you, and may the everloving light of love of the L;ord Jesus Christ and the comfort of the Holy Spirit of truth surround you.

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle Also, I urge you to read  in  the book of Lamentations the entire fourth chapter but especialy  verse 12. I would hate for this kind of discipline to come upon us. It is very graphic and detailed.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle I just read Chapter 4 Lamentations, I believe what Jesus did on the Cross, and by the blood of Jesus, and being raised from the dead, walking in the Spirit doing what Holy Spirit guides us to do, keeping strong in Faith, a pre tribulation Rapture will take the Bride to the Wedding Supper before all discipline starts.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle Jesus told the Disciples to stay in Jerusalem until and for the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and in Power,  believers, have been given the authority to use ALL that power in the name of Jesus. I believe that means God will not do what we have Authority to do, Many Churches have become a feel good entertainment center for Sunday morning and do not disciple. We are to be discipled, and as Disciples are commissioned to witness and edify where ever and when ever the opportunity is presented, Holy Spirit will give the unction to do just that and so far the people I have had the unction to minister to were very ready to receive. As a Disciple ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit is for us to use in the name of Jesus. God dose not want any to perish, not one, unfortunately not all will chose to believe, some love the darkness.

        • DonBahn1

          @dntmkmecomoverther  @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  No I do not. Are you familiar with the Good Samaritan? The man robed and left naked and half dead was Adam, the Priest that walked on the other side of the road was Abraham, to his seed was the promise Adam came before Abraham, the Levite was Moses, the law only points out sin, the good Samaritan is Jesus, He poured wine and oil on the wounds and covered his nakedness, and took Adam to an Inn, only the sacrifice of Jesus can wash away / cover sin, in the morning the Samaritan left 2 days pay with the Inn Keeper and said when He returns He would reimburse anything spent over the 2 days wages. Two days to the Lord = 2000 years, Jesus was born around 4 BC, He ministered until around 29 AD, (the calendars have been changed and the years may not be accurate), I believe at most there is less than 17 years, the whole world has become so corupt, same sex marrage being accepted, abortion on demand, socialism promoting one world government  making the environment greater than the Creator. I believe the distruction of Damascus will happen soon, that will be the starting point for the kingdom of the antichrist to rise. We are very very close.

        • DonBahn1

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers We do not war against flesh and blood. The advisary will use people to push our buttons, our life in Christ removes the buttons, we let our Lord mold us into the likeness of Christ, and not let the world mold us. With Holy Spirit we learn to look at people as Christ sees them, forgive as Christ forgives, love as Christ loves, speak as Christ speaks, becoming as Christ.

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle I was hoping you would read that chapter and gain some understanding of the intensity of God’s discipline that came upon His very own chosen people. And in verse twelve twelve where Jeusalem was invaded though the people thought that it could never happen, which is the same frame of mind some in this nation have. You do not respond as if you read chapter four of Lamentations. In this particular response you speak of your belief that Christ died on the cross, and by the blood of Jesus, and being raised from the dead. Well, all that has to do with the very begining of your faith. And waliking in the Spirit is living in the Spirit who teaches how to grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
          and as you listen and follow His urgings your spiritual life will bear fruit. Keeping strong in the faith requires that you continue to persue the word of God and you let nothing turn you away from it. And you must also be strengthened by the Spirit and Christ. And I cannot begin to understand anything about pre tribulation rapture, I have never heard that term before, what does it mean? Do you know that the tribulation period is actualy meant for the nation of Israel and that it is God’s final discipline on them?  It will be 7 years long but the last 3 1/2 years are the time of Jacobs trouble, destruction like never before nor shall ever be. It is not meant for the Church, we’ll be long gone before it comes.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers@Evermyrtle  The pre Tribulation rapture is not called Rapture in the Bible.
          I Corinthians 15:52
          “Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
          I Thessalonians 4:15,16
            “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”
          “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent…” – or go ahead of,”…them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”
          I Thessalonians 4:17
          “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
          I sugest you check out   Lesfeldick.org  start with http://www.lesfeldick.org/lesqa-d.html  
          Les has a very symple to understand teaching on the Catching Away of the Church or Rapture, if you check our what Les has, you will see why I direct you there, so much information. Also Perry Stone has a DVD on the Jewish Wedding that teaches the Jewish Weddind is type and a shadow of the rapture

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle Don, I strongly urge you to be careful about where and how you acquire information concerning the word of God. I have a pastor teacher who has been teaching for over 40 years. He teaches expostionally and catagorically, verse by verse. He also teaches us from the original languages. I listen to Bible doctrine being taught in Spiti and truth. I’ve been under this pastor for five years now and I pray and thank God for him everyday. If you want a good doctrinal study of the word of God then I suggest you write to http://www.berachah.org. This is Berachah Church in Houston,Tx. And they will send you DVD recordings free of charge. The pastor teachers name is Bobby Thieme, his father’s name was Col. R.B.Thieme who taught my pastor to be a pastor teacher. The teaching is excellent, far superior than any I had ever heard in my life. I can tell you wish to know Bible doctrine. But as just as myself I had to learn before I could help anyone else. I’m not saying you don’t understand, I’m saying this will strengthen you and your knowldge will be more bountiful besides that’s what we Christians need ; we need knowledge of the truth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle Thank you I will check berachah.org out. My hunger for knowledge keeps growing. I have been listening to Perry Stone, JHM, and my pastor Don Wolabaugh at Harvest Chapel, Abbottstown PA. I feel God is moving Greatly in the whole earth, so many are beginning to teach from the original languages. God is Good, His love is overpowering.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers@DonBahn1@Evermyrtle  I just checked berachah.org, I have an issue with,
          18. Spiritual Gifts
          We believe that God The Holy Spirit in grace and apart from human merit sovereignly bestows spiritual gifts to believers in this dispensation. Some of the permanent spiritual gifts which exist today are pastor-teacher, evangelist, missionary and administrator. We further believe that the temporary spiritual gifts ceased with the completion of the canon of Scripture, and these were apostleship, prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpreting tongues, healing, and working of miracles (I Corinthians 12, 13; Ephesians 4:7-12; Romans 12:4-8). Any member practicing these temporary gifts shall be subject to immediate dismissal.
          Harvest Chapel teaches that ALL the Spiritual Gifts are for us to use now, including the apostleship, prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpreting tongues, healing, and working of miracles (I Corinthians 12, 13; Ephesians 4:7-12; Romans 12:4-8). If these are not a now gift why do they work now? I have seen a right leg grow 2 inches to match the left leg with my own eyes. My left knee had a 6 milimeter tare in the meniscus as shown in a MRI it healed by prayer given over it by an Orthodox Rabbi that teaches Jesus is the Christ. A member of Harvest Chapel has been healed of Cancer documented by his doctor. ALL the Gifts are available to those that believe in Jesus, Jesus said those that believe on Him shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, and He also said Believers will do the same works He did and even Greater. To deny any of the Gifts of the Spirit os to not live in the Fullness of what God has for the believer.

        • Evermyrtle

          @DonBahn1  @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle We all have a spiritual  gift but many of us never discover what that gift is. That is something that should be studied more to help young  people find what HE has for them to do, what HE has  prepared them to be able to do  in HIS work. Some of don’t learn until we are too old and too decrepit to do much.

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @Evermyrtle  @DonBahn1  @LarryChambers Hi Myrt!
           
          You are NEVER too old to be used by God! Of course you have thought why has God kept me here and not taken me home? I hope your answer was he still has a plan for me and work for me.
           
          It has been said, “He who buries his talent is making a grave mistake.”
           
          How true this statement is for so many of us. God has given each believer a spiritual gift that He wills us to use for His glory, but we oftentimes don’t use it. We may deny that we actually have a gift or if we do acknowledge it, we may doubt its usefulness to glorify God, and then just bury it. But we must realize that God wants us to be involved with His work. He is so great that by His Holy Spirit He freely distributes gifts to all who are saved - and if He gives a free gift He not only wants us to use it but expects us to.
          The Bible says in Ephesians 4:7 “But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.” Also in I Corinthians 12:7 it says “But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.” Then in verse 11 it states “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” So it is clear that each Christian has a spiritual gift.You may ask “So what are they for? How do I use my gift (or gifts)? Does God really want to use me?
           
          Here is one of the more basic spiritual gifts assessment test:
           
          http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=3
           
          Have fun and see where your gifts might be?

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle What you are presenting is a direct reason the Church is so confused, and why they do not know how to function in the plan of God or live the unique spiritual life of the Church age believers.
          Your first paragragh has it right. But your second one is where you are contradicting the first. You must get your mind made up about who you are going to believe….man or the word of God. God makes it simple, either it is or it is not but the choice is yours and you must define the difference. Right you are saying you don’t what to believe or what exactly should you be doing.
          There is no way a pastor-teacher would teach you something as far fetched as your second paragragh. Being bitten by poisoness snakes or drinking poison and raising the dead are also signs of one being an apostle; go ahead an pick one you or any one else would like to try to prove your gift of apostleship. What you never mentioned was the WILL OF GOD. It is God’s will that makes anything happen. Not because you are an apostle or posess any spiritual gift. All that matters is what does the word of God say. What does the Bible say. If it does not come from the Bible DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!!!

        • LarryChambers

          @Howdy Doody Conservative  @Evermyrtle I think what she means is, that it is good that a person learn what their gift is at an early age, so that as they grow in grace they will become more effective and be a great benefit to the glory of Christ as they get older. Of course God can use us at any age but we must also consider the benefit we may have been to others over the course of our lives. I can tell you study, it warms my heart to that. May God bless you in Christ, amen.

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Evermyrtle Just be careful where you get your info and be sure you are serving the right God. Because the god of this world IS certainly on the move. Becareful Don, be very careful.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Howdy Doody Conservative  @Evermyrtle  @DonBahn1  @LarryChambers You are exactly right, I just move a little slower and there are some things I cannot not do, but the devotion the determination, and the fire for GOD is still there, even though I move much slower. This is where my greatest opportunity to witness lies and I thank my precious GOD for it. I could be sitting back in my recliner and doing nothing. Thanks for inspiring me. Have a great time of work fo GOD, today!

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  And as to that here is the youth Spiritual Gifts Test…..
          http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=4

        • Ray Downen

          @Howdy Doody Conservative  While the Word speaks of the Spirit distributing gifts, it in no way in no place suggests that each Christian will have only one gift or that every Christian will be gifted. The “gifts” spoken of by Paul are “for the common good.” So of course we should use talents given by God in the service of God. I think the word “talents” is more apt to be understood as Paul wrote than the word “gifts.” Some are gifted to be able to sing pleasingly. We speak of the person as a “good singer,” talented musically. And some are gifted to be able to play a musical instrument. And some are gifted to be able to speak pleasingly and convincingly to others. Some can tell jokes. Our gifts differ, but we each should aim to use those “talents” for “God.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  Spiritual gifts were prevalent in the apostolic age. They are absent in this present age. Some people are talented to lead, to teach, to speak, to organize. Others lack such gifts. But some with the talent use it in ways other than you speak of “in church.” Ronald Reagan is a modern-day example of a gifted man who was used by God but not in a church setting. We each should use our God-given abilities in the best ways we can see that might please God. Doctors can heal. If God chooses to heal apart from doctors, He can surely do so. But when sickness strikes, our first line of defense is medicine rather than prayer. 
           
          You say that all “the gifts” (referring to spiritual gifts) are available. But of course they are not. The apostles were given apostolic powers which no one else had or has. Prophets in that day were gifted to speak for God in ways not needed now that the apostolic writings are available to us all. There are no prophets inspired by God in this day. There are no faith-healers who can guarantee good results today as there were when Jesus and His apostles walked this earth. The “fullness” of what God has for us is revealed in apostolic writings, available for us to receive by reading and pondering on that Word.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @Howdy Doody ConservativeTo the contrary, my dear friend, in his letter to the church at Rome, Paul admonishes the congregation: “For as in one physical body we have many parts (organs, members) and all of these parts do not have the same function or use, So we, numerous as we are, are one body in Christ (the Messiah) and individually we are parts one of another [mutually dependent on one another]. Having gifts (faculties, talents, qualities) that differ according to the grace given us, let us use them: [He whose gift is] prophecy, [let him prophesy] according to the proportion of his faith; [He whose gift is] practical service, let him give himself to serving; he who teaches, to his teaching; He who exhorts (encourages), to his exhortation; he who contributes, let him do it in simplicity and liberality; he who gives aid and superintends, with zeal and singleness of mind; he who does acts of mercy, with genuine cheerfulness and joyful eagerness” (Rom. 12:4-8 AMP).
           
          Clearly, there are motivational gifts–as they have come to be known in Christendom–that God endows each believer with specific gifts and talents to function as one body as a whole, rather than as independent members. These gifts are: prophecy; serving; teaching; exhorting; giving; helping and administrating; and acts of mercy, and help us as believers to fulfill our mission to work together to reach a lost and dying world for Christ.
           
          These gifts are not to be confused with those found in Ephesians 4:11 where we find the apostle Paul listing the five office gifts: apostles; prophets; evangelists; pastors; and teachers.To be sure, these gifts are not only for the followers of Christ from the first century until today, but are irrevocable and will never be taken away from those to whom they have been given by God, according to His marvelous promise found in Romans chapter 11 and verse 29.

        • LarryChambers

          @DrProTruth Of what use is prophesy or rather what else is there to be prophesied outside of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, the last canon of scripture in the Bible? In the book of 1 Cor 12:28 Paul gives a complete order of gifts. There are two chapters in 1Cor that will greatly differ from your comment. They are chapters 13-14. These two chapters (especialy 13:8) will tell you all you need to know about spiritual gifts. As you’ll notice in 1Cor 13:8 Paul states prophecies WILL FAIL, tongues WILL CEASE, knowledge WILL VANISH. So, we have the words fail, cease and vanish. Hardly the words to define irrevocable wouldn’t you say? And how would you explain 1Cor 13 :10. What is it that will be done away with? And what is that which is perfect to come. I read Romans 11:28 and found it to contain nothing of spiritual gifts.
          However, what I did find was 1) calling, 2) gifts. From what I gather that to mean is that the CALLING  refers to Christ calling us out of the world and into His marvelous light. And the GIFTS mentioned here refer to God’s grace and eternal life which are both frre gifts from God. But  had these been spiritual gifts I truly believe Paul would have specifcally metioned that in this very inportant context.

        • DonBahn1

          @Ray Downen I appreciate your thoughts on this, however my own experience tells me different, so I disagree with these gifts being only for the 1st century church. Doctors usually only manage illness, they can and often do help people to heal and save lives, however many people told by doctors to go home and prepare to die have been completely cured by laying on of hands. Un-belief and ignorance causes many to die before their time.
          Maybe it is the drowning death I experienced in 1970 and the time I spent in the presence of our Lord, that my belief in these gifts is greater than the teachers you have been learning from.
          I drowned in 15 feet of water at Rocky Neck State Park, after I breathed in water I left my body and I was sitting high above on a white park bench watching my friend doing his best to get me breathing until the ambulance arrived, the doctor that came with the ambulance started to work on me, after 45 minuets they put my lifeless body onto a gurney and put a sheet over my body and pulled it over my face, I stood up and started to walk over a bridge as the gurney hit the tailgate I felt a voice telling me “if you choose to go back, I have more for you to do” I turned and took one step back and was instantly back in my body coughing and startled the doctor. The doctor gave me two shots, and a bag of penicillin pills to take until they were all. Since that experience I have had several crashes on motorcycles where I should have died, instead I felt in my inner most heart that I was to be used for something more. God has a purpose for each one of us, it is a personal choice to follow that purpose or not, God does not force our choice, He gives us the strength and guidance as we need to accomplish His will.
          I read in Perry Stone’s book Exposing Satan’s Playbook in chapter 6, “when a professor of a major Christian college was asked “can a Christian have a demon?” he pondered a moment then replied; “A Christian can have whatever he or she wants!”
          Belief or unbelief in the gifts is a choice, just like in accepting Jesus as Lord over one’s life, the gifts are available to whoever believes and accepts the responsibility of the gift chosen.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @DonBahn1  @Ray Downen We produced a television special on near death experiences and your account parallels all the experiences of all the interviewees that appeared in our show call “The Evidence for Heaven.” The professor is right: Jesus said “As your faith is, so be it unto you.” Thanks for sharing your remarkable life story.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @LarryChambers My dear brother in Christ~ I will not argue with God’s Word–you can take it up with our Savior–the Author and Finisher of our Faith–as well as the Author of His marvelous Word.
           
          Also, to be clear, I did not mention “spiritual gifts”  anywhere. I addressed the “motivational gifts” found in Romans 12:4-8 where God disperses among all members of His precious Body, and the “office gifts” found in Romans 11:29 (not 11:28 as you quoted) where God disperses among the leaders He calls to lead His flocks.
           
          Jesus admonishes us, “As your faith is, so be it unto you.” Again, He says, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain, ‘be removed and cast into the sea, and it will be done….’” (paraphrases). My hope is that you will not limit God by trying to make Him fit into the very small box that fits your particular theology, and open your mind and heart to the vastness of the God Who is the Creator of the universe and all that is in it!
           
          I hold a bachelor of theology (BTh), a master of theology (MTh), a master of divinity (MDiv), a doctor of theology (DTh), and doctor of ministry (DMin), am currently in a research program through London School of Theology working on my doctor of philosophy (PhD) in the field of applied theology and ethics, and am both licensed and ordained to minister. Quite obviously, I’ve been studying the Word of God for many many decades.

        • LarryChambers

          @DonBahn1  @Ray Downen Don, have you no conscious or knowledge of the WILL of God? God still works miracles but they are not to be attributed to spiritual gifts. This is the same false doctrine Paul talks about in 1Cor13 and 14, you really should read both those chapters. All of this is made clear how in the world do you get it confused? I know, listening to other people and not paying attention to the word of God. Why are you so hung up on gifts when it is LOVE that  should be the object of your affection? To grow in grace and knowledge is to coming to the measure and stature of Christ….love. But gifts alone will not get the job done. You must understand the whole counsel of God. No Christian can be posessed by a demon. They can be influenced but not posessed. If that was possible then why did Christ say, “I have come to destroy the works of the devil? Why not just believe in Christ and let the Holy Spirit work in you? That’s what He does. He teaches us truth, He leads us into all knowledge, He guides us keeping us moving in the right direction, He mentors us making sure we are well supplied in every-thing we need for our spirtual lives. Let Him have control of your mind and soul and you will see it all in a new light. These people are steering you inthe wrong direction. If I did not love you I would have said nothing.

        • LarryChambers

          @DrProTruth If the Holy Spirit does not teach you the word of God, then all you have is academic knowledge. As Paul says about gifts, love is to be the object of our affection. Come from behind your documents of education and come to the TRUE KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
          Both Peter and Paul had gifts of apostleship yet there came a time when they were those gifts were no more. You mentioned my error, I apologize for my mistake but I sought not to mislead you by it. But you make no mention of the two chapters 1Cor 13 and 14. I am curious to know how they fit into your comments or what balance can be found between your findings and mine.

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers  The Holy Spirit’s work is not to teach anyone personally. It was His job to help create the written Word (the New Testament, we call if) which reveals the truth to those who seek truth. It’s not mere “academic knowledge” that we gain by studying apostolic writings. And God didn’t intend that in this generation there would need to be action by the Holy Spirit for each of us to learn about Jesus. How do I know? Listen to the great commission given by Jesus: Go, tell, baptize, and teach. People are to do so. The gospel is spread by PEOPLE not by some mysterious action of the Holy Spirit. Then read the history book of the church, Acts of Apostles, and note that in each case the truth was taught verbally by words of people. No one was told they should pray for knowledge without hearing the gospel. 
           
          And as for growing in Christ, the apostolic advice was for the ones who were older in the faith to teach the newer ones. 1 Corinthians 14:26 makes clear that those who knew were to tell those who wanted to know, and it’s been that way from the beginning of the church of the Lord. We don’t wait for the Spirit to slip truth into our understandings. We seek advice from others and especially from the written Word, and the better we understand Bible truth, the more we will have learned about Jesus and how to live for Him. Thanks for asking.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @LarryChambers To my brothers in Christ~ I would suppose there are several theological differences the three of us have, but it does not profit the Kingdom of God for us to air our differences in such a public forum as it  belittles His Gospel of peace and weakens our testimony that Jesus said would follow us, “Behold, see how they love one another.”
           
          His Word instructs us that the letter kills but the Spirit makes alive, thus, without the work of the Holy Spirit in each of our lives, each of us would be reduced to tossing Scriptures back and forth at each other like rocks or pebbles.
           
          Jesus puts it superbly and sublimely when He talks of a people that would swallow the camels, and yet strain at the gnats. For us to take this conversation further would be to do exactly that. Jesus is the Camel in this parable, and the gnats are the superfluous theological differences we may hold. The Truth is, the only question we will be asked when we stand between here and our Eternal Home is “What did you do with My Son?” Beyond, this, the remaining theology only serves to help us live out our faith until that fateful day.
           
          A while ago, when asked where he stood on the tribulation, Dr Jack Hayford, replied, “If I believe Jesus will rapture the Church before the tribulation, will Jesus say, ‘I’ll come back for Jack in the middle of the tribulation because that’s when he expects me?” [paraphrase].
           
          Let us, like Dr Hayford, lay aside our theological differences and focus on the only Theology that matters, as the apostle Paul asserts in Galatians 6:14, “As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world’s interest in me has also died.”

        • LarryChambers

          @Ray Downen  You are confused sir and have not the TRUE knowledge of the word of God and that’s why you deny the power of the Holy Spirit. Wht in the world do you think God gave Him to us?. Who do you think sustained Christ while He was on the cross with excepton of the last few hours? Why did Christ tell His diciples when the Spirit of trtuh has come He will gude you into all truth. Now I ask you who was our Lord talking about? And what did He mean by He would guide them into all truth? How was He going to guide them? Yes, He was going to teach them just as He does us. If you read John 16 :13-15 you will see the truth. Academic knowledge is where you take the word into you and then you must apply what you have read  so that you can gain experiential knowledge so that by the mentorship of the Holy Spirit it can become wisdom. John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches, apart from me you can do nothing. You must understand that it is God at work in us. that means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirt all do their work in us. You must not understand how the spiritual life works or you would never have written that comment about the Holy Spirit. I am really disheartened that you wrote that Ray.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @DrProTruth 1Cor 13 :10. What is it that will be done away with? And what is that which is perfect to come. Refers to the return of Christ, once He returns, all knowledge will come at which point the gifts will be done away with.

        • DonBahn1

          @LarryChambers  @Ray Downen I guess I made my statement confusing. God works the gifts through believers Love and Faith as to His will. As for being possessed, once we have the covering of the blood of Christ we are sealed and can not be possessed, only influenced, that is why we must daily renew our minds. Satan uses thoughts, ideas, and suggestions to move us contrary to God’s will, what makes them work is they come in our own voice, from loved ones, and friends, Christ demonstrated that when Peter was rebuked as Christ said satan get behind me. Thank you for your teaching.

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers And I’m sorry that you misunderstand the promise Jesus made TO THE APOSTLES that they would be guided into all truth. How absurd it is to think the Spirit would cause you to think one thing and me the opposite since both of us claim to have received the Holy Spirit? There is not promise that all of us will be led into all truth. WE are told to search the scriptures and learn from the scriptures and seek guidance from our peers. You imagine that the Spirit leads you. I’m glad you seek to be in Christ. Jesus is Lord of all. He loves you no less than He loves me. But I know that it’s my job to learn from the apostolic writings what you may imagine you’ll learn somehow without studying the Word which was given by the Spirit. 
           
          Peter urges that we each ADD TO our faith. He doesn’t say the Spirit will provide the things he lists and that we should pray that the Spirit would add them to us for us. He urges that WE tell others about Him. He didn’t say we should pray that the Spirit would evangelize the world, but that we should carry the gospel with us everywhere WE go. As Christians we are called to study and learn rather than to pray that we’ll learn without study.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  The gifts were needed until the written word was available. You imagine that we should be speaking in tongues today. Why? It was necessary at a time when people from many languages came together to hear about Jesus. It’s surely not necessary when we all speak the same language. I’m sure we have no business handling snakes. Paul was bitten by one and simply shook it off instead of dying as was expected. But we’re given no such promise in this day. And until the apostolic writings were available to most Christians, there surely was need for God to speak through prophets since the apostles were few and the gatherings were many. But the spiritual gifts which were needed when the church was very young were NOT continued through the centuries after the apostolic writings were available.

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  You write, <quote>His Word instructs us that the letter kills but the Spirit makes alive, thus, without the work of the Holy Spirit in each of our lives, each of us would be reduced to tossing Scriptures back and forth at each other like rocks or pebbles. <endquote> But the saying that the letter kills but the spirit makes alive is not in reference to the Holy Spirit but rather is in reference to the meaning of what was said or written. The contrast is between exactly what is said and what the meaning is of what is said. We can understand the spirit of anything with no help from the Holy Spirit. Many call on the Holy Spirit to do what the word calls for us to do by our own spirits. 
           
          You do well to remind that we should love one another. If we love, we’ll do our best to help one another understand Bible truths and the love of Jesus for us all. That surely is my intention.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @DonBahn1  @LarryChambers Our dear brother, Don~ 1 Cor 13:10 refers to Jesus’ coming in all His fullness and and glory, and when this happens–as it was with the disciples of Christ in the first century–we will have no need of the Holy Spirit or the gifts of the Spirit as we will be in the very presence of Jesus. For now, we see through a glass darkly, but then we shall see Him face to face, and we will know as we are known. The very reason Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to us was that He would no longer dwell among men in the literal sense and sent His Holy Spirit in His stead to remain with us to comfort us in our times of need and to lead us into all Truth, for He is the Spirit of Truth.

        • DonBahn1

          @Ray Downen I will let the Holy Spirit show me. My belief in God working these gifts through Holy Spirit filled Loving believers is current, I witness these gifts in and during worship. Love of Christ and acting on the unctions of the Holy Spirit, with the gifts are needed because many of our people go on mission trips into areas with out interpreters, I do not know where you live I know that many people in America do not speak or understand english. China alone has a very fast growing Christian population and Bibles are is short supply. I believe the perfect that is to come is Christ, until He comes the Holy Spirit continues to work all gifts through believers as necessary Christ said so Himself that whoever believes will do the same works and Greater. To continue discussing our differences is not good, we need only to know we both Love Christ and through Holy Spirit we minister to those needing ministering.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1 It is like someone telling you that fried ice cream is an impossibility and doesn’t exist because that person has never tasted fried ice cream, and on the surface, it seems like an impossibility. Yet, you know–in fact–fried ice cream does exist, because you have had it many many times, and no one can convince you otherwise because it is your real-life experience.
           
          Thus, one person cannot–in all truth–criticize or disclaim another’s experience unless they have had the same experience and they disavow their own experience. Experience is what it is, and one cannot disclaim  or disavow the truth of that experience from the perspective of the one whose experience it is.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen Dear brother in Christ~ You will read in my post above that the very trait of the Christian is “Behold, how they love one another.” This bantering back and forth profits no one, and hurts our testimony to the unbelieving world.
           
          Let us put aside all this bickering, and come together upon that which we do agree: The life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died in our place as the only sacrifice to atone for our sins; and His soon-coming return to take His Bride to live with Him for all eternity.

        • LarryChambers

          @DrProTruth  @Ray Downen Your quotes of scripture have nothing to do with context of our discussion. Above all things with Christ was TRUTH. Truth of what the word of God says. All of you have given me nothing but man’s knowledge, man’s wisdom. There are no doctrinal principles in any of your conversations. You are confused about spiritual gifts, the Holy Spirit and living the unique life of the Church age believers. You bear no knowledge of the mystery concept. Your minds are filled with book knowldge having the emptiness of human viewpoint. God is truth, righteousness, peace and love. He is omnipresent, omniscience and omnipotent. He is three persons in one.
          He is perfect integrity and perfect justice. I don’t what God you men are serving but it is not the God of all.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @LarryChambers  @Ray Downen Larry~ You think that because I have many letters behind my name, that I depend on knowledge above the discernment of the Spirit of God, and you could not be further from the truth about me. It’s unfortunate how we judge and prejudge others without knowledge into their life or spiritual background.
           
          I received Jesus into my heart to be my personal Lord and Savior at the age of 18–Easter Sunday, 1966, and I have served Him faithfully since that day. I have walked in His marvelous gifts, seeing miracles of God wrought before my eyes from prayers I have offered to the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God of the universe, including the healing of our first-born child from a life-threatening malady that would not allow her to keep down any food for the first seven months of her tender life.
           
          Contrary to those who do not believe in tongues of fire first experienced by the 120 Jewish believers congregated in the upper room–in one accord–I have experienced this in my own prayer life since 1967. The operative here is “in one accord” which brings the power of God into our very midst. Some discount this, and yet, this was Jesus’ very last command to His followers before ascending to His heavenly abode at the right hand of the Father. Jesus is clear that if they would wait for the Father’s promise–the baptism of the Holy Spirit–then the Holy Spirit would endue them with power to take the Gospel to the entire earth (see Acts 1:1-8). A side note here: If the baptism of the Holy Spirit is only for the first-century church, then it would follow that the Great Commission is also only for the first-century church–for it is certain that not one of the 120 took the Gospel to the ends of the earth as Jesus states in Acts 1:8.
           
          Acts 2:38-39 confirm the gift and the promise of of the Holy Spirit is “for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.” We see this borne out as true again when the house of Cornelius experiences the same baptism of the Holy Spirit evidenced by the speaking in tongues when Peter says, “How can we deny these baptism in water when it is apparent they have already received that which we received–the Holy Spirit” (Acts 10:44-48) [paraphrase].
           
          Does all of this mean we should seek the gifts rather than the Giver of gifts? Certainly not! Let it never be so! Rather, our sole pursuit should be the Kingdom of God and all its righteousness, and all these things He shall add to us [paraphrase].
           
          What I see in this bantering back and forth is a spirit of division and antagonism at work trying to divide brothers and sisters before an unbelieving audience.

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @Ray Downen  Who said ANYTHING about “it in no way in no place suggest that each Christian will have only one gift…etc.”?? Where on earth did you EVER get that out of my post??
           
          Yes there is a difference between God given “abilities” and “gifts” but sometimes that line can be hard to draw.
           
          I’ll tell you what…and here’s the challenge… Go here and honestly take the test and you may be amazed how accurate it can be?
           
          http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=3
           
          Oh, and like I said this is one of the more basic ones as there are far more comprehensive surveys than this. And while I’m considering your lack of understanding of the intent of my simple comment and the object and subject  of it we’ll just keep to the KISS principle here.

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1  I don’t agree as I have witnessed first hand very humble people who have the gift of healing. I have witnessed first hand those who have the gift of interpretation for those who are speaking in the Spirit and are prophesying.
           
          I do believe in this spiritual gift that enables PARTICULAR Christians to supernatrually speak a prviously unknown language and interprt it in an orderly manner.  I just don’t put so much emphasis on speaking in tongues as so many of my brothers and sisters of the penecostal persuation  seem to do and it is just one spiritual gift among many 
           
          Not everybody has this gift and what I resent is the nonsense and shenanigans so many teachers in this persuation promote because they say everybody needs to carry on in this manner. Being “baptized in the spirit” is a wonderful thing if you have been blessed this way to be able to in a spirit of praise and worship to come before the Throne of God and to realize that God sees you through Jesus.
           
          TAKE THE TEST AND SEE HOW YOU SCORE AND SHARE IT WITH EVERYONE!!
           
          http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=3

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @DrProTruth  @Ray Downen You got it DrPro;)
           
          These gifts are:
          Adminisration/Ruling
          Apostleship
          Discernment
          Evangelism (we are ALL called to that!)
          Exhotation
          Faith
          Giving
          Healing
          Helps/Serving?Ministering
          Interpretation of Tongues
          Knowledge
          Mercy
          Miracles
          Prophecy
          Pastor/Teaching
          Teaching
          Tongues
          Wisdom
          (to name a few)

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          @LarryChambers  @DrProTruth  @Ray Downen Add to the “mystery” concept  SUPERNATURAL!

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  Jesus told the twelve APOSTLES to wait in Jerusalem until they received baptism in the Holy Spirit. They did wait. And they did receive. And Luke reports that then many miracles were done BY the apostles. Peter promised that all who repent and are baptized because of faith in Jesus as the risen Lord will receive “the gift of the Holy Spirit.” What they obviously received, and what we have received, is the presence of the Spirit to help us walk and serve Jesus in this life. We are not promised any special powers such as were given to the apostles by their receiving baptism in the Holy Spirit.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  The man robbed was a Jew. The Samaritan chose to help him. Adam wasn’t there. Abraham wasn’t there. Moses wasn’t there. A priest and a Levite walked by and offered no help to their brother Jew. The Samaritan helped him at considerable expense. We should act as the Samaritan did. That’s the lesson Jesus taught.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  Teaching Bible truth from “the original languages” is a strange objective. We speak English. The translations into English are good and accurate for the most part. It’s good if we learn all we can from the translations into English. There’s no merit in doing the work of translators again as if their study of languages was somehow incomplete.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1 …and there were 120 of Jesus’ followers–not just the 12 disciples–gathered in the Upper Room that day when the Holy Spirit descended on each of them as tongues of fire, and they were ALL filled with the Holy Spirit and they ALL began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts2:1-4).
           
          Then, of course, we still have the dilemma of Peter’s inconvenient statement for some of the backyard theologians in this conversation, in verse 38 when he said to the 3,000 who were listening to his first sermon, said in verse 38-39, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
           
          And, again, in chapter 10 where we see Peter baptizing the house of Cornelius, a Roman centurion in the Italian Regiment and a Gentile, seeing that the Holy Spirit was being poured out on these Gentiles and they ALL received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other tongues.These are inconvenient passages for the believer who sets his or her heart against the Truth of God’s Word by denying or trying to explain away Truth when it differs from his or her theology. Even Peter struggles with this one and it takes God three times of lowering the sheet filled with unclean animals and telling Peter to kill and eat, before Peter is even willing to take the Gospel to Cornelius, a Gentile.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1 …that is ONE of the manifold lessons Jesus taught!

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers  You suggest that we Republicans are now approving of Obama. We’re not. There’s no one is our “head man.” The one who stands in Obama’s way most clearly just now is Boehner, and he’s making clear that “we” do not agree with what Obama has suggested. For now, we’ve no choice but to be the party of “No.” We certainly can’t agree with anything Obama has yet proposed. We can begin planning for several states seceding from the U.S.A. which now is in enemy hands. We see no way to rescue it since the voting, even if some was entirely falsified, ended in Obama’s favor.

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers It does seem strange that this blog lets us enter a comment AT the point where what we’re replying to is seen, and then the blog places the comment in a totally distant place where readers have no way of recognizing to what we’re replying. Strange!

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1 If there is no need to exegete a text from the original text of God’s Holy Word, then please tell us what Pauls meant when he wrote “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved;” or what did Jesus mean when He said, “If your eye is single, your whole body will be full of light, but if it is not single, then your body will be full of darkness;” and what did Jesus mean when He said, “A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign….”?
           
          We read the Word of God through the mindset of modern vernacular, but many key words in Scripture meant something different than Merriam-Webster’s connotation when the authors penned the original the text thousands of years ago…

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers And when we realize ourcomment is missing a word we thought we had typed, or that some correction needs to be made, there’s no way to “fix” the problem. And “edit” possibility would surely be better than the present system.

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  You mention the apostle Paul’s admonition to gifted brothers in Corinth concerning use of their gifts. And then you suggest that we who have NOT been given those gifts should nonetheless use them as WE serve Jesus. It’s certain that we should use every talent God has given us for Him. It’s not reasonable that we would be expected to put to use powers not given to us.

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  I think we surely should tell everyone about what Jesus said and did. Then, having told about Jesus, we are encouraged to baptize those who believe in Him as Lord. It’s not our own experiences that we are commissioned to share, but those of Jesus. If two accounts of what someone thinks they experienced agree, does that really prove something? It’s the gospel we are to share. It deals with provable facts.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen My dear friend, Ray~ I must say, from all of your answers concerning the Holy Spirit and the active part He plays in our lives, I can only infer that you have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.
           
          Jesus considered the Holy Spirit vital to our Christian walk to the degree that He said, “It is expedient that I go, for if I do not go, the Comforter–the Holy Spirit–will not come, but if I go, I will send Him to you…: [as always, paraphrase]…

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  It should be noted that Jesus is not a camel. The story as told by Jesus has to do with believing truth or believing lies. And how right you are that we should seek to love one another because of Jesus. But it’s still desirable to applaud truth-telling and speak against incorrect teaching even if it’s done in Jesus’ name.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen You limit God’s power in your own life by the smallness of your thinking, dear friend. I find it astonishing how intelligent persons such as yourself reach and grasp for straws to continue to explain away their own bad theology, rather than accept God’s Word for what it says.
           
          Again, the apostle Paul tells us in Romans 12:6-8, “Having gifts (faculties, talents, qualities) THAT DIFFER ACCORDING TO THE GRACE GIVEN US, let us use them: [He whose gift is] prophecy, [let him prophesy] according to the proportion of his faith; [He whose gift is] practical service, let him give himself to serving; he who teaches, to his teaching; He who exhorts (encourages), to his exhortation; he who contributes, let him do it in simplicity and liberality; he who gives aid and superintends, with zeal and singleness of mind; he who does acts of mercy, with genuine cheerfulness and joyful eagerness.”
           
          This is not rocket science; it only requires taking God at His Word, not trying to twist it to meet some criteria relegated to our own fleshly mindset or predetermined theology–bad theology at best.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen There you go again, Ray. Your responses are getting so trite they do not even deserve a response. Your responses have as much to do with my comments or queries as Pee Wee Herman’s classic response when he had no answer: “I know you are, but what am I.”
           
          The truth is, your mind is set, and your God is very small because you have already predetermined where He fits and how He should behave in your life. How very sad. Again, I refer to Jesus’ words, when He said, “As your faith is, so be it unto you.”
           
          Small mind; small expectations; small faith; small results; small GOD–it appears you have relegated your life and your walk with God to “SMALL.” You remind me of Lot when God wanted to send him to the mountain top, but Lot begged God to send him to Zoar, a town on the plains near Sodom and Gomorrah. The Hebrew connotation for Zoar means “SMALL!” But then, that would mean nothing to you as you do not see a need to exegete the original text of God’s Holy Word!

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen …and, what exactly is the Gospel according to you, Ray?

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen BTW Ray–every commentary of any renown concurs concerning Jesus’ parable of the gnat and the camel. Your assertion that the parable refers to believing truth and lies could not be further from the truth. In fact, as I suggested, Jesus is referring to ignoring or trifling or underplaying major doctrine, such as Jesus being the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and majoring on insignificant things–such as these discussions we are having–which have no bearing on our eternal souls.
           
          Thus, Bible scholars and theologians unilaterally agree Jesus refers to trifling over things that have no consequence over against dismissing the crux of our salvation in this passage! But, of course, you have no concern over the opinions or conclusions of previous Bible scholars and theologians, so this would mean nothing to you.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen Dear brother~ Do you not yet realize that all four Gospels are the accounts of the same experiences from four different points of view? Your arguments simply have no bearing whatsoever on our discussion. Please define the Gospel according to Ray, if you would!

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen  @DonBahn1 Please clarify “the gift of the Holy Spirit” and “the presence of the Spirit” that you give rise to in your claim, Ray. I do not recall reading either of these theologies in Scripture. Please give me the address of where I can find these two theologies on the Holy Spirit.

        • Ray Downen

          @LarryChambers  I’m surely glad that most of us have better sight than you seem to have.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  You believe in some things unknown to the apostles. We’re in for some tough times in either separating from the U.S.A. or throwing out of office those who support Obama.

        • Ray Downen

          @DrProTruth  It’s too bad that Luke hid the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38 so no one would see it. But there it is! Promised to every believer who turns to Jesus as Lord and is immersed into Him. And what is that gift? Why it’s the presence of the Spirit within us who love and serve Jesus.

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen Our dear brother, Ray, again you are misinformed. Peter states in Acts 2:38, 39, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
          The Greek word for “gift” in v 38 is “dorea” which “denotes ‘a free gift, stressing its gratuitous character; it is always used in the NT of a spiritual or supernatural gift…according to the measure of the gift of Christ,’ the ‘gift’ is that given by Christ; in Acts 2:28, ‘the gift of the Holy Ghost,’ the clause is epexegetical, the ‘gift’ being the Holy Ghost Himself…”
           
          The Greek word for “promise” in v 39 is “epangelia” which is a noun is “primarily a law term, denoting ‘a summons…’ ‘an undertaking to do or give something, a promise.’ It frequently stands for the thing ‘promised,’ and so signifies a gift graciously bestowed, not a pledge secured by negotiation…”
           
          We see this same keyword “promise” or “epangelia” used by Jesus in Acts 1:4, when He instructs His disciples to “…wait for the gift my Father promised…” and that promise is to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit through the baptism with the Holy Spirit (v 5) which, again, according to Acts 2:39, this promise is not just for the disciples as some suggest, but clearly this “promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
           
          Thus, the Holy Spirit resident in us endues us with power (Acts 1:7, 8) to be His witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
           
          Thus, when Peter refers to the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38, and marked by God’s promise of this same gift to all whom God calls to Himself in Acts 2:39, Peter specifically references “the spiritual or supernatural gift” Jesus bestows on each believer “according to the measure of the gift of Christ–and this gift is the Holy Spirit Himself.”
           
          As much as you–so obviously–love His Word, my dear friend, you would do well to avail yourself of sources to aid in your studies.

        • Ray Downen

          @DonBahn1  God is great, without question. I hope you noticed that the way Egypt was gotten out of the adult Israelites was by every adult but two (two who believed God’s promises) was dead before their now-adult children were led into the promised land. You speak of “getting Egypt out of them,” but in fact that was not possible so it was not done. As for ridding the U.S.A. of those who have become slaves of Obama, there seems little chance of them getting any wiser as they age. That’s why we have to consider secession, leaving the slaves with their masters and setting up a land of liberty in those states where the citizens still love liberty.

        • Ray Downen

          @dntmkmecomoverther  Should we marvel that our wonderful nation has fallen on hard times? But remember that Christians have a higher calling than to save this nation. We are called to live under whatever government is in charge, believing that God controls such things, and serve Jesus regardless. Our mission is to tell others about Jesus and invite all others to save themselves by becoming loyal to King Jesus in whatever land they may be living, to pay taxes as necessary, to vote if that’s allowed, and to continue to live right no matter how bad or opposed to us the government is.

    • Rose Palmer

      @JohnnyBo 
      What he is doing is treason. Against the law in the USA!

  • Rose Palmer

    What he is doing is treason. Against the law in the USA!

  • Ray Downen

    I was asked about the meaning of Peter’s telling listeners in Acts 3 that they should believe on the Lord Jesus and that they then could be saved. He meant what he said. Only those who hear the gospel can believe and obey it. Only those who believe the gospel can be saved by obeying it. So it’s imperative that sinners should believe what they hear about the risen Lord. Was Peter in chapter 3 denying what he said in chapter 2? Only if you want to make it so. His answer in Acts 2:38 is based on sinners asking what they should do because the DID believe. So the apostle told them. In chapter 3 we’re told of his words to ones who had heard the gospel. Their next step was to believe it. So that’s what Peter told them. Then, 2,000 more DID believe and were immediately baptized as were the 3,000 told about in chapter 2. If Peter had said all the sinners had to do was believe and they would be saved, he’d have been lying and giving a conflicting message from what was always told sinners. But the apostle didn’t say they should ONLY believe, which would have been confusing and totally incorrect. Only those who do believe should repent and be baptized and added to the Lord’s church.

    • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

      @Ray Downen Actually, the meaning of the word “believe” according to Merriam-Webster is to more or less be firmly persuaded in a certain mode of thinking; where the actual word “believe” in the original Greek text is “pisteu” which means to cleave to, trust in, rely on, have a personal relationship with.
       
      So if someone reads this verse in a modern translation–without help or coaching from an outside source–that person would say, “Well, I believe that a man named Jesus did exist many centuries ago, so I guess I must be saved.” When, the Greek connotation of the word “believe” two thousand years ago when the text was written, is that if we cleave to, trust in, rely on, and have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved. This is quite a difference from the connotation according to modern vernacular.
       
      We are actually commanded by God to study and rightly divide [exegete] His Word. This is not a passive statement, but an active command. He tells us to study to show ourselves approved, a workman not ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

    • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

      @Ray Downen Ray~ With your assertion that “Only those who hear the gospel can believe and obey it. Only those who believe the gospel can be saved by obeying it,” it is clear you do not know what the Gospel is.
       
      First of all, I know you do not see any profit in exegeting Scripture, but the term “Gospel” means “good news.” Moreover, Jesus explains the Gospel in His oration in Luke 4:18, when He says: “The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon Me, because He has anointed Me [the Anointed One, the Messiah] to preach the good news (the Gospel) to the poor; He has sent Me to announce release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send forth as delivered those who are oppressed [who are downtrodden, bruised, crushed, and broken down by calamity]. To proclaim the accepted and acceptable year of the Lord [the day when salvation and the free favors of God profusely abound]> [Isa. 61:1,2].”
       
      In other words: The Gospel–or the good news–is that the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ delivers us from the bondage of sin; restores our sight so that we can see; delivers us from the oppression of our enemies, heals us of our diseases, restores us to wholeness, and restores us to our rightful place as kings and priests–our place of rulership over planet earth.
       
      When you exegete the term “the acceptable year of the Lord” you find that this term is synonymous with “the Year of Jubilee” which is every 50th year on the Jewish calendar. In the year of jubilee something phenomenal happens where the prison gates are opened, all the captives are set free, all debts are forgiven, and all property that was lost through mismanagement or death was restored to its rightful owner.
       
      The good new is that at the Cross of Jesus we were restored to our rightful place as rulers over the earth and all that is in it. In the beginning God told Adam to subdue the earth, and gave Adam complete and total dominion over the beasts of the field, the fowl of the air, and the fish in the sea–Adam had complete dominion over earth and all that is in it. But he abdicated his dominion to Satan in the Garden when he succumbed to sin.
       
      The “Good News” is that at the Cross, Jesus–the Second Adam–restored us to our place of dominion over earth and all that is in it. Jesus hung on the Cross and said “It is finished.” We are told by the prophet Isaiah that He was wounded for our transgressions, and He was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed and made whole… (Isa. 53). It is because of what He did for us–in our place–on Calvary that we are completely restored to our rightful place in earth when we receive His forgiveness and His salvation.
       
      Many may say, “But I still wrestle with this or with that, even now that I am saved.” But His Word tells us that we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. In other words, when we are born again, our spirits are made alive at that very moment, once and for all, but our souls–the place where our emotions and our decisions and choices reside–will be in the process of being saved until the day of Jesus’ return. This is what is meant when Scripture says, “From glory to glory He changes us…” it is an ongoing process until the day of His return.
       
      THIS IS THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST! It is not something we can obey or disobey; it is the free gift of complete and total restoration of mankind–body, soul, and spirit–to his rightful place of dominion and authority in earth. This is why we can pray for the sick and they are healed; this is why we can ask anything in His Name, according to His Word, and it shall be done unto us…

      • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

        @Ray Downen …not to mention the most important part of the good news–that our relationship with our Heavenly Father is restored and our eternal home is secured in Him!

      • Ray Downen

        @DrProTruth You should have been there to explain all this to the apostle Peter on the day the church of the Lord began! He’d have been amazed!

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen You, my dear brother, are an embarrassment to the Body of Christ…

  • Rose Palmer

    Jesus DOES exist. Where do you think we came from? He always was, has been & always will be. If you want a wonderful hereafter, you better read up on some bible history.

  • Ray Downen

    The good doctor wants to know my definition of “the gospel.” What that has to do with the subject I’m not sure. Obama is ruining the U.S.A. as best he can every day, not only by spending money we don’t have but by appointing enemies of truth to positions of leadership in his administration, and now by replacing patriotic military leaders with ones chosen by him for reasons other than patriotism. The gospel is the good news that Jesus is God and offers salvation to all who will turn to Him as Lord. No charge. No tests. Just a change of mind away from self-will and to dependence on Him as provider and boss. We can be a Christian in any nation, and there now seem to be more who love Jesus in other lands than in this “Christian” nation where many now are unbelievers and atheists.

  • Ray Downen

    The good doctor wants to know my definition of “the gospel.” What that has to do with the subject I’m not sure. Obama is ruining the U.S.A. as best he can every day, not only by spending money we don’t have but by appointing enemies of truth to positions of leadership in his administration, and now by replacing patriotic military leaders with ones chosen by him for reasons other than patriotism. The gospel is the good news that Jesus is God and offers salvation to all who will turn to Him as Lord. No charge. No tests. Just a change of mind away from self-will and to dependence on Him as provider and boss. We can be a Christian in any nation, and there now seem to be more who love Jesus in other lands than in this “Christian” nation where many now are unbelievers and atheists.
     
    And the doctor doesn’t seem to know the apostolic writings very well after all. She asserts that it is not possible for anyone to obey the gospel. But the apostle Paul informs that only those who DO obey the gospel will be saved (2 Thessalonians 1:5-10). And when the apostle Peter was asked by believers what they needed to do, he wasn’t hesitant to tell them exactly what obeying the gospel entailed (Acts 2:38). We all admire Bible scholars who know what they’re writing and speaking about. This lady says she knows a great deal. I know little. But what little I know doesn’t agree with what she thinks she knows!

    • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

      @Ray Downen I am not sure what politics have to do with the Gospel, according to our dear friend, Ray. Beyond that, the Gospel I put forward in my definition is the Gospel according to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ,  rather than the definition Paul puts forward. Jesus’ definition of the Gospel in terms of the verb over against the noun, which Paul uses in 2 Thessalonians 1:8. The Greek word for the Gospel Jesus uses is “euangelizo,” or “evangelize” which is a verb meaning “to bring or announce glad tidings.” It is the active voice to “proclaim” or “to preach.” The Greek word for the Gospel Paul uses is “euangelion” or “evangel” which is a noun and “originally denoted a reward for good tidings (which is to what our brother, Ray, refers); LATER, THE IDEA OF REWARD DROPPED, and the word stood for ‘the good news’ itself.”
       
      I hope this clears things up for our dear brother what the term “Gospel” really means and the context with which our Lord Jesus actually references and defines it. Moreover, one learns very early on in studying and exegeting the original Hebrew and Greek text of Scripture THE WORDS IN RED ALWAYS TRUMP THE WORDS IN BLACK…

      • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

        @Ray Downen … ’nuff said!

      • Ray Downen

        @DrProTruth That claim is amazing and amusing! Jesus promised His apostles, remarking that there were things He had chosen to NOT tell them, that THEY would be led into all truth. So you can emphasize the words “in red” all you please, but you may be very surprised when you meet Jesus and He tells you what you believed was right or wrong. Jesus encourages that we who love Him are to tell others everywhere we go about Him and then BAPTIZE those who believe. That’s in red. And is ignored by many who suppose that salvation comes by faith alone.
         
        And I’m confident that NO verse in inspired writings will contradict another verse. Each writer was led by the same Spirit in writing the 66 books we call the Bible. None will contradict another. If one seems to dispute with what another wrote, it’s due to our misunderstanding one or the other, not due to any conflict in the writing. Words may change in meaning, as you suggest. But our pleasure is to find what the writer meant by HIS use of the word and then apply it to our situation.
         
        The gospel is good news about Jesus. Can we obey good news? No, but it turns out that an apostle was asked what a believer should do about his sin since he had heard the good news. The answer surely explains to all who seek truth that there IS something that can be done to OBEY the gospel. I hope that is enough said!

        • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

          @Ray Downen Dear Ray~ Do you choose to be so dense as to suggest I do not know the Word does not contradict itself? Based on everything I have written to this point tells you I do not suggest that any portion of Scripture contradicts itself–what I said is if there is any confusion concerning one passage over another, Jesus’ Words should settle any issue. To be clear: Should we obey ALL instructions put forth in God’s Holy Word? Absolutely! Does the Gospel have two distinct meanings–one as a verb and one as a noun? Absolutely–as I stated in my earlier post! Why you still have a problem with this, only God knows!
           
          I am beginning to understand why read the frustrations of others in this blog who have tried to reason with you only to have their words twisted to fit some preconceived agenda you have and only to have you hurl false accusations at them when you run out of arguments to win your point!
           
          What a disaster it has been trying to have a reasonable conversation with such arrogance–Neither do I have the time nor the inclination to continue to grieve the Holy Spirit in this sad excuse for what otherwise could have been an intelligent, meaningful discussion among brothers and sisters about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and His Matchless, Infallible, Indestructible, Eternal Word.

    • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

      @Ray Downen
      I am not sure what politics have to do with the Gospel, according to our dear friend, Ray. Beyond that, the Gospel I put forward in my definition is the Gospel according to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than the definition Paul puts forward. Jesus’ definition of the Gospel in terms of the verb over against the noun, which Paul uses in 2 Thessalonians 1:8. The Greek word for the Gospel Jesus uses is “euangelizo,” or “evangelize” which is a verb meaning “to bring or announce glad tidings.” It is the active voice to “proclaim” or “to preach.” The Greek word for the Gospel Paul uses is “euangelion” or “evangel” which is a noun and “originally denoted a reward for good tidings (which is to what our brother, Ray, refers); LATER, THE IDEA OF REWARD DROPPED, and the word stood for ‘the good news’ itself.”
       
      I hope this clears things up for our dear brother what the term “Gospel” really means and the context with which our Lord Jesus actually references and defines it. Moreover, one learns very early on in studying and exegeting the original Hebrew and Greek text of Scripture THE WORDS IN RED ALWAYS TRUMP THE WORDS IN BLACK…

  • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

    I think Chesterton is onto something here!!! I’ve heard words similar to these spoken before! How ’bout you???
     
    “Love means to love that which is unlovable, or it is no virtue at all; forgiving means to pardon that which is unpardonable, or it is no virtue at all; and to hope means hoping when things are hopeless, or it is no virtue at all.” ~ G. K. Chesterton
     
    “Love endures long and is patient and kind: love never is envious nor boils over with jealousy, is not boastful or vainglorious, dos not display itself haughtily. It is not conceited (arrogant and inflated with pride); it is not rude (unmannerly) and does not act unbecomingly. Love (God’s love in us) does not insist on its own rights or its own way , for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong]. It does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when right and truth prevail. Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything [without weakening]. Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]….” (1 Cor 13:4-8a)
     
    Lord, may we all learn to walk in your love toward one another. Amen.

  • http://www.paracletepro.com/ DrProTruth

    I’m reminded of the apostle Paul’s model to those who do not wish to debate God’s Word with those who are saved, but rather wish to win souls of those who are lost.
     
    Paul declares,  “… I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some” (1 Cor 9:19-22).
     
    Lord, may I remember this passage next time I disagree with a brother or sister in Christ. Amen and amen.

  • Ray Downen

    Should we marvel that our wonderful nation has fallen on hard times? But remember that Christians have a higher calling than to save this nation. We are called to live under whatever government is in charge, believing that God controls such things, and serve Jesus regardless. Our mission is to tell others about Jesus and invite all others to save themselves by becoming loyal to King Jesus in whatever land they may be living, to pay taxes as necessary, to vote if that’s allowed, and to continue to live right no matter how bad or opposed to us the government is.

  • Ray Downen

    That Obama rules with total disregard of our Representatives is obvious. He is an enemy of the U.S.A. where a slight majority of votes counted put him back in power for four more years to complete the ruin of this nation. 
     
    A commenter suggests off the subject: We see this same keyword “promise” or “epangelia” used by Jesus in Acts 1:4, when He instructs His disciples to “…wait for the gift my Father promised…” and that promise is to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit through the baptism with the Holy Spirit (v 5) which, again, according to Acts 2:39, this promise is not just for the disciples as some suggest, but clearly this “promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call.” I think it desirable to point out that this promise was not given to any disciples other than the twelve apostles. It’s dishonest to claim it was disciples who received the promise and who then received baptism in the Holy Spirit. Dishonest or ignorant. Which? 
     
      Should we marvel that our wonderful nation has fallen on hard times? But remember that Christians have a higher calling than to save this nation. We are called to live under whatever government is in charge, believing that God controls such things, and serve Jesus regardless. Our mission is to tell others about Jesus and invite all others to save themselves by becoming loyal to King Jesus in whatever land they may be living, to pay taxes as necessary, to vote if that’s allowed, and to continue to live right no matter how bad or opposed to us the government is.

  • Rose Palmer

    Obama is not a citizen, I will never do what he “orders”. He is a liar & without George Soros, another traitor, would never have been our president. Unfortunately, money does talk.