TSA Bullying: How the State Smacked Down a Mother For Trying to Protect Her Daughter

I know that “bullying” is widely defined as simply threatening or harassing. But in my mind the classic school bully has a more specific method. The classic bully is crafty in how he deals with the school authorities. A classic school bully intimidates you and harasses you, but makes sure you seem like the bad guy when you fight back. Suddenly you find yourself dragged to the principal’s office because you allegedly attacked or insulted the bully. All his actions are ignored and your actions are portrayed as aggression rather than as a response to aggression.

Our law enforcement forces have learned how to deprive us of our rights by being the classic bully. And nowhere is this done more often or more egregiously than in our airports. Thanks to empowerment from Al Qaeda, our masters have a devil’s playground in every American travel point—free reign to take nudie digital photographs, irradiate us, and if we dare opt out, molest us and our children and blame us for not being grateful for the abuse.

So when I see news stories like this, the tactic is easy to recognize because I read about it in Harry Potter, and lived through it in Junior High. Andrea Abbot didn’t want her daughter irradiated and photographed through her clothes so she opted out of the nudie scanners. Then she was outraged by the nature of the pat down. So since she “saw something” she “said something,” and was led away in hand cuffs for her trouble.

The TSA agents claimed that Abbot was out of control, yelling and cursing. When a video surfaced it showed she was calm, despite being face to face with a group of officers. They also accused her of blocking two security lanes but the video doesn’t show anyone is blocked from passing through. Nevertheless, the prosecution stuck to her story, saying it was “unreasonable” to believe that TSA agents would lie. “What she did was a crime.”

The logic of the police state is a recipe for degrading democracy. Since Abbot had the power to “file a complaint,”( which we all know would simply put in the circular file) the courts have the right to criminalize speech. Because she wanted to confront people for what they were doing on the spot, she can be punished for what she said.

Of course, they never say they are censoring speech. The woman was sentenced to a year on probation for the conveniently vague charge of “disorderly conduct.”

The most telling detail from the AP story was that the woman’s lawyer took her case pro bono. How many of the masses being shunted through the police state’s humiliation line can really afford a lawyer or the resources to mount a capable defense that will puncture through the state’s illusion that they are just trying to protect people? I suspect that people with those resources aren’t taken to court. A true social Darwinian, the state gains power from the weakest members of society.

This story shows we need to really get the word out to all potential jury members. The fact that Abbot, because she didn’t like her daughter being molested, was persecuted by her own peers demonstrates that society is sick. Furthermore, every conservative needs to find out how prosecutors and District Attorneys get selected. We have got to find a way to get officers of the courts who are more concerned about the Bill of Rights than looking “tough on crime.”

The officials who are “tough” are on the side of real criminals—the bullies in blue uniforms.







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  • Guest

    Badly behaving TSAs will get what they deserve from those of us not afraid of the corrupt judicial system. It’s just a matter of time.

    • MarkMatis

      Are you willing to pop their pig enablers?  If not, NOTHING will change for the better, for it is your fine friends in “Law Enforcement” who spit on their oath to the Constitution and prop up the damnable swill such as this “judge” and the prosecutor.  Any bets on what instructions the jury was given before their deliberations?  Any bets on how the jury pool was selected?  I bet I know the answer to those questions…

      • Terryt

        @MarkMatis well if you know, it must be from a cracker jack box, you dont seem to have any real adult answers to anything Mark.

        • MarkMatis

          So just what do YOU propose to fix this, Terryt?  Or do you like your coffee and donuts filtered like that?

  • guest 2012

    How about a nationwide 5 day boycott on flying.  Hit them where it hurts…in their pockets.

    • williamc9

      @guest 2012 thats a great idea…. but we need a lot of people to even make a dent in hurting them. but news coverage will do damage.

    • jackel

      You think this is bad,you are only witnessing the beginning  of take over by Bozo and his Commie Clowns !

      • Tripplejack

        Jackel you are so right, but not only four years…it will be permanent !  that is what Obama is working towards.  wake Up America !!!!!  PLEASE !

    • Redmongo1

      @guest 2012 I never fly any more, If I cant drive there, I dont need to go.

    • Doug C

      @guest 2012 You got it from me, 1 year ago the TSA ruined my wife’s luggage and the contents, they would not even apologize even that is all I asked for, six months ago I walked through with a fabric belt on and they physically roughed me up to show me that I am stupid because of the forgotten fabric belt, I have vowed not to fly again and haven’t so far even though I possess free tickets. SO A FIVE DAY BOYCOTT is not enough. How about till the TSA is gone and we have some rights back with whomever takes their place…

    • Terryt

      @guest 2012 but the problem ISNT the airlines, it is the Feds and the out of control TSA.  you would punish the horse for not undoing the brake on the carriage?

      • guest

        @guest 2012 You think the airlines are devoid of any responsibility here? Think again! The TSA was created to take the burden of security and subsequent responsibility off the backs of the airlines. The airlines are quite happy to have the TSA averting any potential lawsuits and taking all the heat off them for their silly procedures. When they tell you to ignore the man behind the curtain, then that is who runs the show.

        • Terryt

          @guest 2012 wrong the AIRPORTS provided security, through fees paid by the airlines, so please continue to espouse your incorrect knowledge

  • Pappy1

    The amazing part is that the jury panel did not throw out the charges and find the mother innocent.  From what I remember when I served on jury panels that was an option given if we the panel thought the law was incorrectly applied or if we as a group felt the law is unconstitutional.

    • Redmongo1

      @Pappy1 Also remember, the judge can also override the jury and pass judgement on his own.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Redmongo1  @Pappy1 In what State or jurisdiction?
        When the jury is seated and sworn in, it belongs to the Jury.

        • Redmongo1

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Pappy1 You really should look further into your law. This has been the case in several states. A judge who thinks a jury finding is tainted by sympathy or political or social pressure (at his discretion) may override any jury decision.

    • Terryt

      @Pappy1 and the laws are different from state to state on what a jury can do.

    • MichelleChadima

      @Pappy1 Most people aren’t aware of this fact, and if those instructions are not given (whose job is it to give jury instructions?), then they will not be aware of that fact.

      • patr1ot

        @MichelleChadima  @Pappy1 They are not allowed to give instructions about jury nullification. If you have no idea what jury nullification is, go learn! Anyone who could be pulled for jury duty should know about it.

  • Redmongo1

    This is just another reason why this election is the MOST important election in history. If you want this 1984 type of federal control/abuse of power to continue, by all means vote for obama. If you want a return to a time where it was your God given right to stand up for yourself and your family, vote for Romney. If you vote for a third party, just remember the Ross Perot effect. A vote for a third party is the same as a vote for obama.If you think you are making a statement, remember you are voting for obama. If you are foolish enough to believe that your third party candidate can win, welcome to four more years of obamanation..

    • patr1ot

      @Redmongo1 No, your vote for Romney is a vote for a continuation of BIG GOVERNMENT, only a vote for a third party is a vote for a truly smaller government. I am not voting against Obama or aganst Romney, but for a smaller, limited government that respects my rights.

      • Commie Hunter

        @patr1ot  @Redmongo1 A vote for a 3rd party that can’t possibly win is just wasting your vote (all for the purpose of “making a statement about the 2 party system”)  If enough people like you do that we’ll have Obozo for another 4 years & maybe permamently.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Commie Hunter  The only wasted vote is for someone you do not believe in…

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah says: “the only wasted vote is for someone you don’t believe in” 
          No, a wasted vote is voting for someone that you know can’t win, just for the purpose of making a statement. Come on Adam, you KNOW he can’t win. Gary Johnson only has 2-3%… The only people who will be thanking you on election day are the frickin socialists, just like they did in 2008….Or more likely laughing at you for wasting your vote & putting O’Liar back in there

      • guest

        @patr1ot  @Redmongo1 And as a result you will wind up with another 4 years of oppression. Just ask the people in Venezuela about that one.

      • Redmongo1

        @patr1ot Thank you for re-electing obama. his support wont be split.

    • adamenochnoah

      @Redmongo1 This is probably the most irrelevant election in the history of this country because people will elect Team CFR 1 or Team CFR 2. Yaaawn…

  • OLDAD

    Message to Mr. Romney—As soon as you are in office dismantle the TSA and Fire all Involved.  The Organization is a direct violation of the constitution.

    • MarkMatis

      @OLDAD – You know very well that Mittens has NO intention of doing any such thing.

      • Terryt

        @MarkMatis  @OLDAD   Mittens, real mature attitude Mark.  do you have any real knowledge of this??? i think not.  he might not get rid of it, or it might be replaced, but there is a need for increased security, but i think it should be taken care of at the local level.  there is an international airport, in Oregon i think, that does NOT use the TSA but a local agency/company.  they are quicker, politer no complaints about molestation, and they make the people SAFE, have never failed a security test, cant same the same for ANY TSA group, can you.

        • MarkMatis

          @OLDAD – I hate to tell you, but the ONLY airports that do not use TSA have to be APPROVED by TSA.  And if you’re stupid enough to think that Mittens will do ANYTHING about this, well…

        • Amy Lambert

          Yep, almost all of them are “real mature”. It truly boggles the mind and frightens the soul.

    • guest

      @OLDAD yeah, like that will happen. An old roll of used toilet paper is better than the commie pig but Romney is no conservative. Don’t expect too much or you will be disappointed.

      • Toronto Gal

        @OLDAD He is not going to be able to dismantle the whole program b/c we still terrorists (but 0 doesn’t believe that) but I can see great changes in the people at the top & then changes at the bottom, maybe with former service people trained to catch the bad guys and not molest children & grandparents in diapers.
        I have great faith in Romney & the people he will appoint to these top offices.
        I also hope he will stop all junkets by all government departments – period! No trips, no bonuses, no gifts. You have a job and you have to prove that you can keep it and work!

        • guest

          @Toronto Gal  @OLDAD I think you will be disappointed. It will take the House and Senate to do anything with the Patriot act that gives the TSA so much power and when it came time to renew it, they all lined up eagerly to extend it. It will be good to see NappiT gone along with her crazy love pats but until they get rid of those radiation machines that screwed up my eye that they say are so safe even though I was able to find a NIH study that proved extreme damage to the eyes of rabbits when exposed to miliwaves which are nothing more than what your microwave oven uses to heat your food. If they cannot find a safe way to find explosives on people then I will just continue to travel using terra firma. Unfortunately I had to abandon my overseas business which was the only thing making any money. It doesn’t matter to me what they do unless they get rid of all their procedures since NappiT took over. I assure you, that is not going to happen.

    • Amy Lambert

      @OLDAD You probably think the military is too

  • BarbaraJohnson

    If the mother doesn’t want her daughter molested by the TSA, then she shouldn’t take her for a flight at an airport!

    • JimGreaves

      @BarbaraJohnson
       Oh come on. You moron!

      • BarbaraJohnson

        @JimGreaves When Government instates something, it doesn’t just go away.

        • Amy Lambert

          So you want airport security to “go away”? Which side are you on, anyway?

    • Amomthatcares

      @BarbaraJohnson You are obviously not a mother!! Just a sick individual.. I have taken my daughter through security numerous times.. They haven’t touched her once.. If they even try I wouldn’t allow it and would drive if necessary.

      • BarbaraJohnson

        @Amomthatcares  @BarbaraJohnson That is what I meant. I don’t think that the TSA stunts are not going to go away.

        • Amy Lambert

          @BarbaraJohnson  @Amomthatcares You are mistakenly assuming that the entire TSA is at fault for the alleged incident of one case. I would be more impressed if you would provide statitstics: how many people go through TSA daily without incident compared with the number of reported incidents? I’ll bet the percentage is no different than it is in any organization, including the military, where rapes of female soldiers have been high.

  • jackel

    You think this is bad,wait till Bozo and his Commie Clowns take over the whole Government !

    • JimGreaves

      What the hell!? Why wait? Start watering the tree of liberty now.

  • ArtSchefler

    As long as democrats are in power, these gestapo tactics will get worse.

  • ArtSchefler

    As long as people keep democrats in power these gestapo tactics will continue.

    • mm818

      how do you see this as a democratic thing?  Who was in office when this was put in place?  Hmmmm, Not a democrat.

      • Terryt

        You are correct in that it was created under GWB, but it was NOT allowed half the authority it does today, “enhanced” patdowns, “Nudie” scanners, etc were NOT part of the original charter/setup.  it was added later by guess who???? Pres Obama and Mrs Napolitano who are what idealogy??? oh yeah DEMOCRAT

      • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

        Right. Not a Democrat thing, not a Republican thing. It is a big government thing. “1984”, “Animal Farm”, “Atlas Shrugged” ” Big brother”  “We are here to help you.” We have been warned.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Begneli I am truly astonished reading the comments here, as if you folks lived in a world where Islamist terrorists did not exist.

        • GramE

          @Amy Lambert  @Begneli We don’t need Islam, we’ve got you and the TSA.
          Yes, Islam exists – there must be a reasonable way of detection.

      • United Freedom Coalition

        Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had nothing to do with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The White House Occupant has no responsibility for Benghazi nor  the Entire Green Energy debaucle. The Coal Industry would have died on it’s own. The Keystone Pipeline has little Energy, Employment or Economic nor Infrastructure value. In fact, the Economy and World Affairs couldn’t be more superlative.  …Reality CHECK !  George Bush has been gone for 4 years. In his last 2 years he played door mat to a Congress hell bent on fixing everything by throwing Money at it. The elected White House occupant destroyed an hope or change in the escalating decline. WE the VOTERS are RESPONSIBLE for letting this happen. THE ADULTS are returning to clean up the mess left by Incompetence, Irresponsibility and gross Ignorance required to Manage a government without managing the daily lives of those who are paying the bills. Clinging to Democrat and Republican monikers is akin to 3rd grader, confused and upset, calling her parent STUPID. Go to your room while we clean up the mess !

    • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

      @ArtSchefler “When the people fear their government that is tyranny, when the government fears the people that is freedom.” Thomas Jefferson

      • Amy Lambert

        When the people have no fear of terrorists blowing up their airplanes, that is stupidity, naivety, or traitors in action.

    • Amy Lambert

      Oh, Good Lord, get a grip. If I hear one more of you throw around terms like “gestapo tactics” without any clue what you are talking about. . .you aren’t even able to point to anything in the video that indicates molestation, and you surely must be aware that neither the government nor the TSA in particular support any molestation. If you are suggesting that every pat down that occurs in this nation for security reasons (even if properly conducted with the back of the hand) is molestation by definition, then why don’t you try to tell us whether the folks jumping out of hte 90th floor of the twin towers to their deaths would have preferred it had there been a TSA “molesting” the passengers.

    • Amy Lambert

      @ArtSchefler 
      Oh, Good Lord, get a grip. If I hear one more of you throw around terms like “gestapo tactics” without any clue what you are talking about. . .you aren’t even able to point to anything in the video that indicates molestation, and you surely must be aware that neither the government nor the TSA in particular support any molestation. If you are suggesting that every pat down that occurs in this nation for security reasons (even if properly conducted with the back of the hand) is molestation by definition, then why don’t you try to tell us whether the folks jumping out of hte 90th floor of the twin towers to their deaths would have preferred it had there been a TSA “molesting” the passengers.

    • Amy Lambert

      @ArtSchefler 
      If you are suggesting that every pat down that occurs in this nation for security reasons (even if properly conducted with the back of the hand) is molestation by definition, then why don’t you try to tell us whether the folks jumping out of hte 90th floor of the twin towers to their deaths would have preferred it had there been a TSA “molesting” the passengers.

  • guest

    It is surprising to me how many people choose to undergo this treatment simply to be able to pay huge sums of money to get on a plane. There have been so many attempts at boycotts and opt out days yet there are so many that think this is ridiculous and undergo the radiation and molestation thinking this is normal. I don’t know how anyone can be so blind to the fact that we now live in a soviet socialist country with an out of control big brother style government.

    • Amy Lambert

      As I read your comment, you must be proposing that we allow everyone onto our airplanes, with no security measures taken, even though terrorists and crazies are just dying to blow them up,  It is surprising to ME that anyone would take that position.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    The first question should be the the DA:  “Do you believe that legislated law supersedes CONSTITUTIONAL LAW?”

    • Don

      @GrumpyOldGoat 
      Absolutely, liberals ignore the constitution as it is an obstruction to their end. Total control over everyone. Look at the balance of people collecting money from the government that was stolen from people who work. They will not vote for Romney because they think they will lose their “free’ money. Once that number exceeds the 50% mark we can never return to freedom.

      • Terryt

        @GrumpyOldGoat no be reasonable, to them the constitution is a “living document” in that it is so old, it must be dead by now, so can be ignored.  you just have to be able to follow their twisted thinking.  like Obama saying  that “unfortunately” there is only so much we can do about free speech that is offensive.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          Yeah, it’s a “Living” thing, and that’s what makes them so damned mad….

      • so you say

        @GrumpyOldGoat Never say never.

  • mm818

    Seriously people!  It was not Obama that had anything to do with the TSA’s.  That was actually during the presidency of a REPUBLICAN.  As if that matters!  The president is not who deals with the TSA and Romney can’t make it magically disappear!

    • Terryt

      Yes it was established by GWB, but it didnt have half the authority it currently does under the initial creation.  there were to “enhanced” patdowns, or “nudie scanners” envsioned then.  sorry but this dog is NOT on GWB’s doorstep, but all Obamas and the twit Napolitano.  i can say that, i lived under her “governorship” in AZ.

      • Biggiewmn

        And under Bush, the TSA was not unionized. Now it takes an act of Congress to fire one of these morons.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Biggiewmn Not one person posting here has detailed anything we see in the video of the pat down as “molestation”. I therefore wonder why you are referring to this person as a moron.

    • United Freedom Coalition

      Romney will reduce the size of government, government programs and the overwhelming interference and participation in OUR daily lives. His is committed to states taking responsibility for the needs of HEW. The entire FEDERAL Beast is killing Life in this country by trying to manage OUR lives. Romney will get the Federal Government to focus on opportunity by slashing social engineering and creating infrastructure engineering. The day of reckoning is days away ! BUSH was a door mat for bleeding heart idiots who can’t manage their own bank accounts, in his last 2 years, and we are paying the price of his passive irresponsibility. The current White House occupant took this role, on steriods, to insanity. Blame no one else. Responsibility begins with Romney and ONLY the ignorant irresponsible will cling, in desperation, to the dying dregs of the management by insanity !

      • adamenochnoah

        @United Freedom Coalition Interesting comment since neither Obama Or Romney has said one word about reducing the size of govt.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah   Romney did. Did you watch the debates?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Commie Hunter Yes I did, but I confess, they both put me to sleep…You have to know both of those guys love big govt. Obama loves big social spending & Romney loves big military spending, & both are antithetical to downsizing govt.

      • Amy Lambert

        @United Freedom Coalition Let’s see now. HEW. That’s health, education and welfare. I should think you might consider the right to not be blown up on a flight to have at least  a little something do do with health and welfare.

    • Commie Hunter

      Well, Romney can sure make Big Sis dissappear rather quickly.. wait & watch

    • Amy Lambert

      the president appoints the people who have plenty to do with the TSA. There are of course many complaints about how they operate, but I haven’t heard any better ideas here except to get rid of it entirely, which sounds to me like a comment not from America lovers, but from disguised Islamist terrorists, the only ones who would really benefit.

  • Commie Hunter

    Big “Sis” allowing the TSA agents to be the new “PERVS”… Fondling a little girl, but 11 years later STILL allowing illegal aliens to own & operate flight training schools…go figure

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @Commie Hunter big sis keeps going through in hopes of being fondled, but they wave her on by….  don’t even scan here for fear of destroying government property.

      • Commie Hunter

        @GrumpyOldGoat Ha ha ha… so do Nancy Piglosi, Witch Hillary, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer & all the rest, but they also get waved on through. Time for them to take their big girl panties off & get back on their brooms ;-)

    • Amy Lambert

      I didn’t know that illegal aliens were operating flight training schools. Source?

  • bouledoux1

    If it wasn’t for the TSA , raggins,  Latinos, the mentally retarded, as well as luggage thieves and airline dope smugglers wouldn’t be able to find employment anywhere else.  Gee, where else do you get to rummage through suitcases for cameras, Ipads, laptops, jewelry, money, etc. out of sight of the owners ?  Lucrative employment

    • Amy Lambert

      Private industry also experiences employee theft. It is a national problem.

  • JimGreaves

    It is fast approaching time to water the tree of liberty,.

    • Nanashi

      @JimGreaves The Problem is, we need to convince the pigeons that we aren’t who we told we were. Most pigeons write us off as rabble-rousers, troublemakers, paranoid, etc, thus starving the tree further.
       
      Fact: If the news doesn’t come from the idiot box playing in the gas station, it’s all “internet propaganda.”

      • Amy Lambert

        @Nanashi  @JimGreaves You just watched a news report on the video. If you have a source on the internet that containst the trial transcript so we could all hear both sides, then you would be making in interesting and useful point.

  • ScottJordan

    That is what real parents do, they protect their children from harms. TSA is a bunch of perverts and molesters. Who else would apply for a “job” like that?

    • Nanashi

      @ScottJordan What about pickpockets? Wasn’t an IPod, or anything similar stolen?
       
      Fact: The convicted felons who apply for these jobs are given background checks, AND THEY’RE STILL HIRED!

      • ScottJordan

        @Nanashi  Correct Nanashi, they do keep hiring whomever applies for those molester and pickpocket jobs. Also the baggage “handlers” go through our luggage and steal whatever they feel like, and just see what happens when you report that.  They do nothing but give you a form to fill out, and it goes right in the garbage can when you hand it back to them.

    • Amy Lambert

      Who else would apply for a job like that? How about people who believe in the USA and hope to protect the flying public. I just can’t help wondering if it isn’t the bad attitude you folks go in with that results in your being mistreated. I look upon the agents as people trying to keep my airplane from exploding and I am always, always treated with the utmost consideration, courtesy and respect, and that includes every single pat down I have had, as I avoid scanners.

  • Bill

    All of TSA under the cover of Federal protection should revert back to private security company. Then we the people would have a right to expect proper treatment. If not we would have away in civil and Law courts that we do not have
    at present. The security is needed, however these incidents have gone on far too long. Dis-banned TSA. Can not say that enough.

  • United Freedom Coalition

    We seem more like the old Soviet Union and the Middle East, everyday. Any thoughts of the freedoms we enjoyed in our youth is BLOCKED by a growing POLICE STATE and dwindling sense of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness with burdensome government management, intervention and bureaucratic directed participation. THE ONLY WAY this will be CORRECTED is to DRAMATICALLY Reduce the SIZE of the federal government and the infinite tentacles it grows daily. What in God’s Holy Name have the bureaucrats done to OUR Country ?! Have they no shame or understanding of what made us who we are ?  Why the need to crush the very attributes which made us creative, proud and generous to be replaced by a government intent to do it and manage it for us ?!  ANIMAL FARM is here !!!

    • Amy Lambert

      Perhaps you folks are not aware that in your youth there were no Islamist radicals flying airplanes full of civilians into our Pentagon and tall city buildings. So many posts like yours appear to be coming from some outfit with a nice sounding name, but the policies you espouse would result in far more successful domestic terror attacks. You do not appear to have noticed that when Obama was campaigning he sounded just like you–but when he got into office he got quite an education, and quickly. Now he is doing nearly everything Bush found necessary to do to protect this nation against the ongoing terrorist efforts, the extent of which are obviously largely hidden from the public to avoid total panic.

  • davienne

    boycot the bus stations, airports, train stations, everywhere TSA is

    • CharlaS

      @davienne That is getting harder and harder to do as YSA is now on public roads with their xray machines for vehicles and checkpoints.  Google it.

    • Amy Lambert

      @davienne yeah, that’ll show ‘em.

  • jimmy john

    Enough talk, I believe iv’ e  been doing my part I have signs in my yard I tell everyone I see to vote for Romney  , some people don’t like it but most change their mind,  I live in one state and can’t cover all of them, so People get out there tell everyone to VOTE lets get some new jobs, lets get people working together again, instead of everyone on welfare, and if you see voter fraud report it, obama has to be stopped

    • Nanashi

      @jimmy john Romney supports the NDAA. You vote for him, you may as well vote for Obama.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Nanashi  @jimmy john That’s why I voted for Gov Gary Johnson. He is dead against the NDAA Police State.

    • Amy Lambert

      Ah, a comment directly pertinent to the article at hand.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    A couple of years ago, I was a witness in a courtroom.
     
    The attorney asked me a question and the judge interrupted him by saying “That type of defense will not be allowed in my courtroom.”
    I responded with “It’s not YOUR courtroom, you are only the current occupant.”
     
    4 members of the jury laughed outloud, and the case dismissed with the charges dropped.

    • MarkMatis

      @GrumpyOldGoat – I hate to tell you this, but MOST “judges” in this country would have jailed you for contempt.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @MarkMatis Sorry Sweetie, but the Constitution and the Supreme Court are both on my side.

        • MarkMatis

          @GrumpyOldGoat – I would hope that after the Obamacare ruling, you would understand that the Constitution isn’t worth toilet paper.

    • Amy Lambert

      I can assure you that the charges were not dropped because of you.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert I can assure you that you were not in the courtroom and have no reasonable grounds to base your comment on.

  • ressex

    I wonder when people will start shooting TSA workers???  It’s too bad because they, while wrong for blindly following illegal orders that violate Constitutional rights of citizens, are not the ones making the policies that are so very wrong…  I think we should, as another reader stated, boycott everything the TSA has infiltrated and see how fast the businesses aske them to leave.  Or force them to leave by shutting the doors…

    • CharlaS

      In the post-WW2 Nuremberg  trials of Nazis, soldiers said “I was just following orders.”  It was decided that we must answer to a higher calling than ‘just following orders’.  I decided many years ago that there were many jobs in this world at which I would not work because I do not believe in the principles behind those paychecks.

      • Amy Lambert

        You ARE aware that the charges in this article A. may not be true, and B are not proven, and C. involve one agent who may have broken the rules governing the agency, and that the Nuremberg trials of Nazis involved the actions of agents for the regime who WERE following the government’s rules. You are also aware, (or perhaps not) that the people being tried at Nuremberg were associated not with possible molestation, but with unspeakable cruelty waged against an imprisoned, starved, overworked population of former citizens of the state who had committed no crimes of any kind against the state. The agent being accused in this article (as if the writer were the judge and jury) was accused of molestation and of acting against the rules of the state.

    • so you say

      How about making them get their GED before they can wear that uniform.

  • R Young

    The TSA should be the only agency in charge of all forms of security, especially for the President!

    • Commie Hunter

      R Young, I think I should be in charge of the prezs security. My first order of business would be to send him back to Kenya (I just don’t think it’s safe for a socialist/communist or Marxist to be in America)

  • CharlaS

    Many people are unfamiliar with Fully Informed Jury Association, an organization that stresses that, as jurors, we are OBLIGATED to find a defendant NOT GUILTY if we disagree with the law under which they are being prosecuted.

    • Amy Lambert

      Ah, and isn’t it nice to know that your little group would  now prefer a system that would allow your personal prejudices, and those of all jurors, to sit as the legislatures and make your own laws. Just wonderful.

      • Keats35

        @Amy Lambert You who demand evidence, just what is your evidence of such an asinine declaration?

        • Amy Lambert

          I’m afraid I do not understand your objection to my objection. You think every juror has a right to make up the law?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert No. Interpret the law as to it’s constitutionality.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert The position is “Every JUROR has, not only the RIGHT to judge whether or not the law is valid and correctly applied, but the DUTY to remove any law found to be abhorrent to the Constitution.

      • grandmaliberty

        @Amy Lambert oh you mean like Obama doe with his executive order???

        • Amy Lambert

          yep

  • PatAlexander

    I do all I can do to avoid using anything to do with the federal goverment. Some things like mail and etc one has to do to make another day with the intrusive goverment . Comes to flying, riding and etc, I always try to find another way to go. One can’t always, but I sure do try. The world is full of rotten people and some of our goverment is rotten as well! We Americans will survive until real changes come about . When this rotten parisite in the White House and  his followers are voted out, then we can start making good changes for America.  Be aways sure your right- then go ahead……..Davy Crockett

    • Amy Lambert

      @PatAlexander You poor dear.

  • dmostuckinva

    i no longer use public transportation, only my own vehicle.  This is my stand against TSA!

    • Amy Lambert

      @dmostuckinva Can’t wait till you send us a postcard from abroad.

      • grandmaliberty

        @Amy Lambert @dmostuckinva since this President took office I cannot afford to go abroad anyway….

        • Amy Lambert

          @grandmaliberty  @Amy  @dmostuckinva LOL!

  • CharlaS

    In addition, we are not required to follow ANY instructions given to us as jurors by a judge. Study FIJA.org.  Just one de3dicated juror can hang a jury and begin the process of laws being changed.  Refusing to vote to convict someone on trumped up charges or bad law is the equivalent of a State nullifying illegal federal law by refusing to enforce it.  BUT if you let your persuasions on these issues be known, you will NEVER be allowed to serve on a jury and help achieve REAL social justice.

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @CharlaS The Jury can nullify legislated law by finding the law is not being applied equally or fairly across the spectrum of People.  By the law being an over reach by congress….
       
      OR by declaring the law to be a direct violation of the “Enumerated Powers as listed by the Constitution”.
       
      Or if the law is designed to provide a level of protection to one group Of Citizens over another. For instance, if a law protects illegal alien NON-citizens from discrimination, that ‘law’ can be discarded and unenforceable.
       
      It is also a felony for any unConstitutional law to be enforced by any law enforcement officer.  the Jury can make that finding as well.

  • M FLORES

    WILL THERE EVER BE AN END TO THIS TREATMENT?
    MAYBE  PEOPLE REFUSEING TO FLY ENMASS THAT WOULD CREATE A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!

    • suziqz

      I stopped flying when the price became irradiation or sexual abuse.

      • adamenochnoah

        @suziqz Me too, & I have not regretted it either. I also voted for Gary Johnson since he is the only one of the top 3 that is against the NDAA Police State. Enough of this nonsense.

  • prbrown60

    I can’t believe a parent does not the right to protect her teenage daughter from being molested by perverted child molesters.  But I guess when the child molesters are government agents and molesting teenage girls is in the name of national security, child molesting perverts dubbed TSA agents can get away with this type of perversion.

    • Amy Lambert

      How do you know she was molested?

  • whit1569

    Unless we vote out this President and Congress, our freedom and liberty will continue to diminish. It’s time to stand up for FREEDOM.

    • Nanashi

      @whit1569 Voting seems pointless considering that both candidates want to detain us all indefinitely without a fair trial.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Nanashi  @whit1569 Gov Gary Johnson 2012 will work to rescind the NDAA & the UnPatriot  Act, so vote for him rather than not voting.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah    @Adam, voting for a 3rd party candidate that can’t possibly win will just assure that Obama gets another 4 years in office. Splitting the conservative vote is exactly what happend in 2008. Dr Ron Paul recieved 9 1/2 million conservative votes, & Obozo only won by approx. 5 million. We can’t afford another 4 years of Obama…..

        • adamenochnoah

          @Commie Hunter Not my problem. We tried to warn all during the primaries that Romney was a weak candidate, but you all would not listen.

        • grandmaliberty

          @adamenochnoah @Commie Hunter It certainly will be your problem unless you do not live in the USA….

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah Well then Adam, if it’s “not your problem” then YOU ARE the problem. I have supported Dr. Ron Paul in the primaries for years, both with $$$, phone calls, & knocking on doors, BUT when he doesn’t show that he can garner 45%-50% of the vote in the general election, then I vote for the next most conservative candidate that HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING. Throwing your vote away on 3rd party Gary Johnson (that at last poll was only pulling 2-3%)  is just ensuring that Obama will win 4 more years. I’m not saying he’s not a good American (he is a good politically conservative American & patriot), or that I wouldn’t support him if he could pull a bigger share. It’s just that he can’t win, & people voting for him is nothing more than making a statement against the 2 party system.

      • Amy Lambert

        Us ALL? Are you in detention?

        • Nanashi

          @Amy Lambert 
          All of us who are awake, actually.

        • Amy Lambert

          Oh, good lord, Nanashi, give it a break.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert eye wanna bee in detenshun wiff u Amy :-)

    • Amy Lambert

      @whit1569 What does this President have to do with it?

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  Are you talking about the Commie in Chief?

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah we are talking about pat downs at airports, not to all according to their needs.

      • Commie Hunter

        @Amy Lambert  Well Mr Obozo appointed Nappy, aka Big Sis, to her position, so she’s his employee & his responsibility, yes?

    • Amy Lambert

      Pat downs at airports are designed to support, not deny, your freedom, unless you are talking about your liberty to be the victim of a terror attack in mid air. You may wish that but many normal people would prefer to arrive alive.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert give all the adult passengers a gun and the plane will arrive safely every time and there will be no patdowns.

  • June Angstadt

    You can bet the bank, if they were Muslim/Islamists, there would be the ‘head & shoulder pats’ and they would be on their way –  these are the preferred people in the US today.  The horror stories about TSA agents never stop.

    • Amy Lambert

      Oh, really? What evidence are you providing for this nonsense?

      • June Angstadt

        Two years +/- ago, Islamist groups took it upon themselves (at several airports across the country) to protest their women (recipients of the same treatment ALL others passing tthrough airports) were not to be patted any place except their heads and shoulders and by no means were they to be exposed to body scanners.  Of course the Gov’t caved ,so my previous comment stands – good enough for you?  If not, check it out and all the other special permissions allowed them on the basis of their so called religion.  I find it incredulous that Mohammed, over 1300 years ago was clairvoyant enough to know Islamists were to have all these contemporary problems!!  Wonder where it is written in the Koran….

        • Amy Lambert

          I missed that, but if it is true it sure is good enough for me!

        • JimGreaves

          @Amy Lambert
           Oh come now. Muslims have been exempt from MOST of our laws since they first invaded in the late Bush and early Obama eras. If you missed that, it says something about YOU, not US. Moron.

  • C Hays

    If you are old enough to remember the “Brown shirts” of Nazi Germany, you will see the same attitude and methods used by the TSA.  I have given up my rights to fly because I refuse to allow these perverts to touch me or my wife.  They are limited to Airports now, when will Oboma and his Gestapo Attorney General and his Director of Homeland Security start using them to attack the “Right wing terrorists (Veterans, Tea Party members, Libertarians, etc) as defined in her warning to law enforcement.  I fear that the administration is setting up a Hitler like National Socialist Party under the guise of Joe Stalin’s communism, since both were at the extremes of the political circle.

    • Amy Lambert

      This is simply over the top nonsense. I have avoided scans from the beginning; been patted down many, many times, and the TSA agents could not have been more professional. What is WRONG with all you extremists, anyway? The TSA is on the side of protecting flying Americans.  Of course, we don’t really know if you ARE Americans, do we?

      • John Riverside

        @Amy Lambert Clearly, you like being patted down, Amy, and, also clearly, you are on this blog as an Obummer communist agitator and supporter.

        • Amy Lambert

          @John Riverside Thank you for making my argument for me. Your comment speaks for itself and defines the mind of the person who posted it. Is that really the best you can do?

        • JimGreaves

          @Amy Lambert  @John Riverside
           No. John does not make ANY point you made. He is considerably smarter.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert I’m beginning to think you are either a loony leftist plant, or you actually LIKE the pat downs…

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         It isn’t us “extremists” Amy. It is ALL about a parent’s right and reponsibility to protect a child from harm. If you cannot get that through your thick skull, then why are you still breathing?

    • GarySara

      TSA already stationed on our highways and byways.  You think driving is going to save you, think again.  Your right to travel is no longer a god given right but a privilege overseen by government.

    • Bimbam

      Why our nation is becoming so degenerate.
       
      Well, look at you.  You said me and my wife.  You put yourself first.  it’s suppose to be my WIFE AND I!!!
       
      Look, even my nephew does the same thing, I tell him it’s MY FRIENDS AND I, not me and my friends.
       
      Also, on the radio you hear so much guest interviews, coughing, clearing their throat with nary an “excuse me”. 
       
      So you can see we are becoming the neatherdrals and it’s showing when we elect our leaders and our authority.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s the video of what happened that is mentioned?

  • DISABLED POLICE

    TSA IS GOING TO PISS OFF THE WRONG PERSON THEN THEY WILL THINK THEY ARE A DISGRUNTALED POSTAL EMPLOYEE WITH AN AK47

  • Amy Lambert

    This article is a little short on facts; no, correct that; it is totally deficient in facts. We are not told what the mother charged the TSA agent with, SPECIFICALLY. What does she mean, her daughter was “molested”?

    • DonaldAguilar

      @Amy Lambert What do you not understand about a video being available that justifies the woman and shows the TSA “officers” being out of line?  Please, be an American.  Don’t be like the compliant Germans of the 1930’s.

      • Amy Lambert

        @DonaldAguilar We must be watching two different videos . I watched the one the article refers to. Please let me know what in the heck you are talking about, specifically. It was a normal pat down. Have you ever undergone a TSA patdown?

        • Amy Lambert

          @DonaldAguilar To equate what happens during  a TSA patdown with what happened in Germany is to display one’s total ignorance of what happened in Germany in the 1930’s. Not to mention the difference in purpose. Try to think just a tad more deeply on the subject, Donald.

        • JimGreaves

          @Amy Lambert  @DonaldAguilar
           Right on, Amy! What happened in the 1930’s, with the aiding and abetting of George Soros, was that JEWS were subjected to humiliation of the SAME kind that is being done to travellers throughout our nation today. Even to the point of having George Soros and his other friends take gold from the mouths of Jews, without anesthesia. And he was not sorry for it. That is the “reduction ad absurdum” of YOUR, AMY, arguments. Look up the phrase.

        • Amy Lambert

          Jews and Gypsies and Gays and Armenians and any non-Aryans were subjected to far more than humiliation, JimGreaves. And the purpose was not exactly the same as the TSA’s purpose. The purpose in Germany was to belittle,then separate, then impoverish, then imprison and finally to murder all those that the Nazis did not care for. The purpose of the TSA is to protect all Americans from being blown up on airplanes. Speaking of absurdum, try reading your post again.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert uh… amy?  The unstated, but PROVEN in practice is exactly the same as 1930’s Germany.
           
          It is history reliving itsself.
           
          And you are doomed to relive it too… unless you are one of the chosen few to rule over all others beneath you.

        • Amy Lambert

          I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Why don’t you give an actual example of proven in practice but unstated activity on the part of the TSA that is the same as 1930’s Germany.

    • Commie Hunter

      @Amy Lambert Amy, come over here  & I’ll show you what the TSA did, & then you can have me arrested for sexual perversion :-)

      • Amy Lambert

        And just how do you know what the TSA did?

    • JimGreaves

      @Amy Lambert
       Who’s paying you to be on this blog, Amy?

      • Amy Lambert

        Now JimGreaves, that’s really an accusation, not a query, isn’t it? Should I be flattered or just amused?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert Just answer the question.

        • Amy Lambert

          Which question? Who is paying me? Suppose I say I’m just enjoying myself, adametc.? What would you reply?  Suppose I were to say I was being paid? Your suspicions lend credence to the idea that when someone comes along and challenges your views of the world they are automatically in the pay of some nefarious organization is as silly as the notion that every TSA agent is a sexual pervert or that the real terrorists are the TSA agents. Who, by the way, is paying YOU? (I only inquire because my views support the safety of the flying public while yours, if carried to their logical conclusion, would support the cause of the radical Islamist terrorists.)

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert We want have to worry about the average TSA worker at the airport for long because they are irradiating themselves into extinction at the rate of 100 times the amount of radiation in a normal x-ray. The operators of the naked body scanners have no protection against the x-rays & many are already dying of cancer . Where is your concern for these poor, ignorant workers?

  • Bimbam

    Ever see the movie From Paris With Love starrinrg John Travolta.  See the scene where he tells the p****k off?
     
    We have these same people armed with a badge and backed up an illegal Muslim president in the White House.  We have high school graduates and lowlifes feel empowered now and all you will have with people like that in power isa boot on your neck!

  • So Not Left

    The fact that they have video proving that what TSA said was not true, but charged the woman and believed the lie instead, is telling on our understanding of “justice”.

    • Amy Lambert

      We only saw a tiny portion of the video. The part we saw did not show any molestation. What are you talking about?

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert IF there was a portion that showed the Mother disrupting the party, why was it not shown?

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat We do not have info on who took this video or when they began filming, do we?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert nor do we know who edited the video, what was edited out, what was edited IN, and what the agenda of the editor was.
           
          Your undying defense of the terrorists in the nations airports leads me to believe that you are a big government control freak.
           
          The people have no ‘rights’ that cannot be negated by congress passing a law.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat My defense of the terrorists at the airport?
           
          Those of you who believe that the TSA and not the Islamist radicals are the terrorists are wasting your time arguing with me. Forget it. We come from extremely different world views.
           
          The comments that we do not know much about the video can be argued either way. I guess the media, as usual, did a very poor and incomplete job. But without proof to the contrary, I do not assume automatically that the TSA is wrong every time, or that every mother who thinks a pat down is automatically sexual molestation is right just because she stood up against the agency whose job it is to protect the flying public.
           
          Most Republicans are not pro-big government, GrumpyOldGoat. It occurs to me that some of us posting here have a sense of empowerment and others have a sense of being victimized by their government. I place myself in the first category. I think I have plenty of rights under this government in general, and especially as compared with citizens in most other nations in the world. I also consider that I know how to exert my rights. But mostly I consider that the powers that be are generally there to protect me. I do not see the police as “pigs”; I see them as people who protect me and come to my home quickly when called; I see the TSA as agents whose job it is to keep my plane in the air; I see the government doing its first duty, which is to protect me from our enemies, foreign and domestic. And I think my attitude is part of the reason I do not see myself as victimized by the government. I see myself as a citizen in a great nation whose constitution affords me the right to utilize my freedom to a great extent.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert No sweetie, I’m not a victim.  I AM the tsa nightmare in person.
          The entire structure is unConstitutional.
           
          It is an overreach by government by intent.
           
          It has nothing to do with ‘preventing terrorism’.
           
          IT IS, by design a tool to get the people used to being shoved around by government thugs.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  “I think I have plenty of rights under this government in general”
          That’s the problem most of us have with the government Amy. You DON’T have as many rights as you used to have. None of us do, & that is what causes the rest of us to distrust it. We’re also sick of the lies, corruption, & deciet, but most of all it’s the rights & freedom that have been taken away over the years. If the mo fos would just govern by the Constitution, everything would be fine, but they think they have a better idea & that “idea” is to completely controll us & turn us into subjects instead of citizens.

  • MustangMav

    Generally speaking if one stays calm and somewhat respectful in a situation with TSA they will be treated that way,  If they act like someone on a reality TV series or worse and lose control of their spittle while screaming it is considered a major disruption and depending on their physical contact may be assault too!!! Karma is not a red/blue liberal/conservative thang Think about it…..

    • John Riverside

      @MustangMav Not true.  If you object in any fashion to TSA’s  illegal search you are dealt with by TSA and the court system exactly as this upstanding woman was dealt with.  To believe otherwise is the Liberal Fantasy that is the back bone of the “well intended” liberal movement in this country, which  divorces itself from reality and whose advocates never put themselves in any kind of a “police state” challenging situation.

      • Amy Lambert

        Nope. I stood up to them one time in NYC when they placed themselves in my line of sight so I could not see my purse on the conveyor belt. When I moved they objected. I said loudly that I had a right to keep my belongings in sight and I did not budge. They backed down. Now they seem to be operating under my rules, as they take great care to make sure I have my purse with me during the pat down.

        • texasgirl

          @Amy Lambert You must be living in some altered state of reality.  TSA purposefully hires thugs, criminals, and perverts……you know…..NoBama’s kinfolk!  There’s hardly a week goes by that they aren’t accused of doing something criminal………like stealing from people when they aren’t looking…….and the TSA nincompoops end up having to admit it.  Americans truly need to stop flying and just say no to Big Butch Napolitano and her minions.  Try to step into reality every now and then…………..

        • JimGreaves

          @Amy Lambert
           Oh, gosh, aren’t YOU special!

        • Commie Hunter

          NoBamas kinfolk have these TSA jobs? I thought they were all a bunch of homeless beggars still living in Mombasi, Kenya :-)

        • Amy Lambert

          You are judging the entire agency by the acts of a few. By that standard, there could be no organization on the planet that would meet your high standards, texasgirl.  I dislike all those who have secured jobs with TSA who should not have been allowed to be hired. Perhaps Romney will be better at fixing the TSA the way he fixed the Olympics.

        • Amy Lambert

          @JimGreaves Perhaps not, JimGreaves.Perhaps I just stand up for my rights in an assertive way, while always giving TSA the benefit of any doubt that they are generally there to protect me. I do not see them as the enemy, but when their agents get confused about my rights, I set them straight. I suppose I could have been arrested; I consider them very fortunate that that did not happen.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
           
          “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” 
          ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” 
          ”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” 
          ”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.” 
          ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” 
          ”If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.” 
          ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” 
          ”He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.”
          ”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.”  ”Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.”
          Benjamin Franklin

        • Amy Lambert

          Now, texasgirl, I do not believe for one moment that the TSA “purposefully ” hires thugs, etc. I am not sure why makes you think it is I who live in an altered state of reality, as, after, all I am the one who regularly flies, not you. I am the one who has frequent pat downs, not you. I am the one who entrusts my luggage to TSA, not you. I am the one who objected to the way I was being treated without being abused or arrested, not you. And while some of this is pure luck, I have come to believe after reading these posts that if you go into the airport with the view that the TSA is your enemy, an agency of a terrible government that is akin to Nazi Germany, and that the agents are there for the sole purposes of sexual perversion and abusing your rights, you might have a different experience from the experience the rest of us have. We go into the airport grateful for the TSA and hopeful that they are doing their job well. I think they can spot who is who.

  • JimSchafer

    bill of rights??? where r u? have u becme nullified? we need to re-read them and begin to put them into practice again !

    • adamenochnoah

      @JimSchafer The Patriot Act & the NDAA have effectively nullified the Bill of Rights.

  • bcarl

    Rw-electing Obama, will only mean that we continue flying off the fiscal & Constitutional cliff!!

  • DianePenn

    Oh come on, the voters wanted this administration so why would they think they might be voting to undermine the constitution.
    But, doesn’t anyone see the gist of this story, in the fifth paragraph, which actually backs up the fallacy that this nation is a democracy able by simple majority to enforce their will, when in fact we are a Republic under law; a law often ignored. This is a perfect example of the democracy Ben Franklin warned us about.

    • GarySara

      @DianePenn Bravo, Diane Penn. Right on!!!

  • Guest

    These TSA scans and pat downs are illegal, immoral, unacceptable and everyone should stop putting up with it.  If you don’t have to fly for business, then drive like we used to.  Why would anyone put their children through this sexual invasion at the airport, when you would not be able to do it anywhere else, even at home, without being labeled a sexual pervert.

    • Amy Lambert

      Are you nuts? Undergoing a pat down with the back of someone’s hands is hardly sexual invasion. Sex is in the mind. Patdowns are designed to allow you to fly safely. Jeez what is WRONG with all of you? If you do it at home, by the way, perhaps the purpose would be a different one, eh?

      • nativist

        @Amy Lambert “Sex is in the mind”?  And you maintain something is WRONG
        with all of us?

        • Amy Lambert

          Yes, indeed, if you all think that the government’s effort to protect the flying public amounts to sexual molestation, you bet I think something is wrong with you, or that you really radical Islamist terrorists putting out propaganda for the nation’s useful idiots to gobble up. Your position helps the terrorists, in case that had not occurred to you.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert If you want safety on the airlines, then issue every adult passenger a loaded handgun.
         
        IF you want an end to ‘gun violence’ and ‘accidental’ shootings FORCE the education system to provide COMPULSORY firearms training K-12.
         
        When children grow up with hands on firearms instruction with live fire practice, they grow up KNOWLEDGEABLE about firearms.
         
        As it is, they are taught to be afraid of guns because the government wants to enslave the people.
         
        Everyday in this nation well over 80 million firearms owners prove that Private Ownership of guns is not the cause of violent crimes involving guns.
         
        Repeat offenders are the primary cause of weapons crimes, and the judges that put them back on the streets are to blame.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat Hey, I pack heat.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert in an airport?  If not, why not?
           
          The RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy LambertRight Amy. Sex is in the mind. You sound just like those idiots in the NOW movement who advocated “relax and enjoy it” while you are being raped. Since it is “not sex”, but rather “rape”, why fight it? Moron.

        • Amy Lambert

          Dear JimGreaves, I’m sorry you have not been able to develop the self control usually exhibited by people engaging in intelligent discourse. . .but then again perhaps that is not what we have been engaging in after all. When I said “sex is in the mind” it was in response to someone who wanted to know what difference it makes whether the pat down is done with the front or the back of the hand. If you believe that every police man and woman and every TSA agent who does a pat down in the course of carrying out their duties is a sexual pervert, then I can’t help you. What I am suggesting is that if, while being patted down for weapons before boarding a flight, and the agent is using the back of her hand in a completely professional manner, then that is not sexual on the part of the agent; if one experiences it as sexual, perhaps then the sex is in the mind of the passenger, and not the agent. In that case it is not molestation; it is over-active imagination.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert Too bad that you waste your mind on talking points.

      • Commie Hunter

        @Amy Lambert ohhh  Amy, why don’t you come here & let me pat you down with the “back” of my hand

        • Amy Lambert

          @Commie Hunter See my comment above.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  ummm which comment? There are about a hundred of them.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert Amy, if sex was in the mind, you would not have a single guy on the whole internet to argue with. They all would be out there lost in inner space somewhere, but definitely not here, I can assure you of that…

        • Amy Lambert

          See my comment above.

  • Haile Stressor

    Amy,
    Get over it. The real crime is the TSA not profiling. On 9/11 Federal agents in Boston thought the groups of muslims boarding those four airplanes looked suspiciously nervous, but didn’t pull them aside because the agents feared they would be accused of profiling. Heaven Forbid! Political Incorrectness is never acceptable, but it’s O.K. to grope Granny.

    • Amy Lambert

      Ah, an intelligent argument, at last!

    • JimGreaves

      @Haile Stressor
       On 9/11/01, the LAW as directed by Ms. Gore-lick was that CIA and FBI were NOT to share info. The democrat in the White House, prior to Bush, has HIS people set up a system whereby information that ‘could have’ prevented what happened could not be determined because of a HUGE wall was in place established by the people who actually believed Al Gore would be in the White House on 9/11….

      • Amy Lambert

        @JimGreaves  @Haile Stressor Keeping the wall up was actually the liberal position; it was designed to protect our citizens’ privacy and other rights.

  • whit1569

    This President is taking away our rights, liberty and freedom. His policy is to have the American population enabled to the government hand outs.  NoBama wants us to be an entitlement society.  Please take a look at the FEMA youth graduation and the purchase of heavy policy/rescue military Humvee’s.  Wake up to what is going on.  Freedom from government control.

  • carol

    please…I flew in and out of orange county Calif for a family funeral. On both trips I wore slip on slacks, a slip on top and no jewelry. I had to go thru the scanner and even then was told that my legs had to be felt. Since I had nothing on me, not even a tissue in my pockets, no metal and they had seen me naked in the scanner can someone tell me why they still had to feel my legs?

    • Amy Lambert

      sounds like you are female. we don’t seem to get too many men complaining about pat downs. was the person who patted you down also female? did she use the back of her hands as she is supposed to do? was she in any way unprofessional?
       
      I just underwent a chest x ray. They found “something”– a spot.  Later they did more x rays and discovered it wasn’t a tumor; it was an enlarged artery or something like that. Who knows how things may have looked on the scanner. Better safe than sorry, eh? When they choose to opt out of following up on suspicious spots, they will let lung cancer go and terrorists get on planes.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert The phrase “Probable Cause” come to mind?
        IF she had nothing to hide, and the full body scanner pretty much proved that, there is no reason for a “pat down” other than an excuse to get close enough to smell…

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         who gives a rat’s ass what part of her hand was used for the pat-down? YOU are a stupid fascist.

        • Amy Lambert

          Stupid? Hardly. Fascist? Nope. Ignorant ad hominem arguer who is incapable of any further argument than name calling? Nope again.

    • suziqz

      Excellent question.

  • grandmaliberty

    the Mom was doing her job… I would have done the same thing.. I would do anything to protect my child’s innocence…. that is why I do no fly… I drive..

  • Amy Lambert

    I watched the video and you should too, because there is precious little relationship between the headline here about the “state” smacking down a mom; in fact, there was a trial by jury; the jury, not the state, determined guilt, and we were not able to watch the two hour trial, so we really don’t know what happened. We do know what
    twelve jurors decided after having seen the evidence and heard both attorneys. You got a better system in mind, let’s hear about it. Perhaps the editors of this blog would like to serve as judge and jury.
     
    What we did see was part of the pat down, which looked perfectly normal and reasonable and hardly like molestation; we don’t really know the mother’s mental state; we see scenes from the airport that do not show the mother acting in any sort of threatening way towards the security agents but we do not know what she did outside this tiny piece of video, and in the end the mother was charged with something like obstructing the passageway or lines, but it would appear that the police questioning her slowed down the line; they could have moved her. In the end, though, we weren’t at the airport and we weren’t at the trial, so it is with great unhappiness that I read this misleading headline and many of the posted comments as well. It seems to me that people who have made the TSA the enemy instead of making radical Islam the enemy are very mixed up people, or are actually on the side of the terrorists (the truth is, you never know who is posting on these sites) :  http://www.wkrn.com/category/175880/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=7874625

    • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

      We no longer have a “better system”.  It is becoming like the 1930s Nazi courts.  Just ask anyone who’s been through the mind-bender of family court or municipal courts.  Municipal court judges are arrogant, nasty little prick attorneys who have a Napoleonic complex. Then they get promoted to family court judges where they can continue their sick reign of terror with more power.  Then they get promoted to the Federal bench.  We do not have the best people sitting on the courts. We have some of the worst offenders of Constitutional rights anywhere sitting on the bench.  In fact, there is a scandal brewing nationwide that a lot of state court judges are sex perverts and more and more of them are being exposed (no pun intended).

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @NoMoreMarxistsInDC Are you implying that politically appointed judges may not actually believe in the FAIR AND PRUDENT application of legislated laws that violate the Constitution are the best our society has to offer?
         
        You probably think they always take the governments side too?
         
        I say that makes YOU quite a bit smarter than the average person in this country.

      • Amy Lambert

        @NoMoreMarxistsInDC You write that we no longer have a better system. I meant: could you please suggest a better system of justice than the American jury system. What system would you propose? You may dislike the judges but the jury decided this case.

    • nativist

      @Amy Lambert While it may look  “perfectly normal and reasonable and hardly like molestation to an admirer of the TSA, if the victim was made to feel violated and her mother
      felt the touching was inappropriate that is sufficient reason to object, at least in the USA.
      There us nothing abnormal or unreasonable about not wanting to be touched by strangers.

      • Amy Lambert

        Ah, thank you. I am finally beginning to realize that many of you think that every pat down is molestation by definition.  The victim is not “made to feel violated” unless it really is molestation; otherwise it is just a pat down for security purposes, done by telling you in advance what they are going to do and then using the back of the hand. I suppose anyone could decide that this is not for them, but many of us feel that security for everyone on the plane overrides the psychological needs of those refuse any effective security searches patdowns or scans. I wonder whether the people jumping out of the 90th floor of the burning twin towers to their deaths would have preferred it had there only been TSA agents at those airports subjecting the flyers to pat downs. To me, jumping out of a burning building is even worse than than being scanned or patted down.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert Do you realize that the TSA has not caught one terrorist by patdown since their inception? There is no terrorist threat, it is the govt training you to accept anything they do to you without questioning them. It is psychological training for submission & you have bought into it hook, line, & sinker.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah Do you realize that pat downs may have a chilling effect, keeping would be terrorists off our planes?

        • Amy Lambert

          As for your opinion that there is “no terrorist threat” I have no comment. If that is where you start, that is where I leave.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert The terrorist work for those in the Gold Dome & in the White House.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert Bye!

        • Pakinpastor

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah
           Is there any evidence to that or is that just your opinion? Pat downs have had no impact that is verifiable as thwarting any terrorist. I agree with Amy. It is just conditioning for Americans.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Pakinpastor You don’t agree with Amy, she loves pat-downs. It’s me that made the points you agree with.

        • ElizabethDeFranco

          @Amy Lambert There is a terrorist threat, although the reality is denied by the current regime, who chooses to use “human caused disaster” or some such PC BS, rather than dealing with the harsh reality. The cold hard truth is that 99.99% of terrorist acts are committed by Muslim men between the ages of 18 & 40; were we to actually use intelligent profiling & monitoring of passenger activity, such as that conducted by El Al Airlines (Israeli) we would actually be addressing the specific perpetrators, rather than being so “diligent” in regard to sexually molesting young children or humiliating elderly people in wheelchairs w/colostomy bags.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah uhhh amless?  Moslem terrorists are not subject to either pat downs, or full body screenings.
           
          THAT would be racial profiling and we certainly can’t ‘profile’ the most likely suspects now can we?
           
          Let the terrorists on the planes and make damned sure that NOBODY has the means to defend themselves or their fellow passengers.
           
          They do the same thing in schools, shopping centers, restaurants, fast food outlets…..
           
          DISARM  the American people lest the criminals and terrorists come to harm and cannot vote democrat in the next election.

        • ElizabethDeFranco

          @Amy Lambert I don’t believe any of us suggested there was “no terrorist threat”, we only seem to hold divergent opinions on how to hold this threat in check or discourage terrorist crimes. IMHO, it’s time to abandon the PC strategies & begin to profile those who perpetrate 99.99% of these types of crimes against humanity.

        • adamenochnoah

          @ElizabethDeFranco  I did, because the only way they could get in our country to do anything on our soil is for the govt to allow them in. 3rd world muslin countries do not have the means to bring the war to our shore.

        • Amy Lambert

          It is my opinion that pat-downs and scanning would have an obvious chilling effect upon would be terrorists. Frankly, that is just common sense.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah  @Pakinpastor I don’t “love” pat-downs; I realize that they are an alternative to scans if people have reason to reject scans. I don’t love going through security any more than any of you; I dislike it; but I am an adult and I can reason; I am aware of the terrorist threat, obviously more aware than some people posting here, and I can see no other way, other than the Israeli techniques, which both administrations have rejected as unworkable here, to safeguard the planes, their passengers and people and buildings on the ground.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert Objection. That reply is subjective & is based solely on your opinion & has no basis in fact.

        • Amy Lambert

          I agree there is a serious threat and I agree that this administration is “confused” regarding its nature and source, and I agree that we should be especially careful to check out those who fit the profile, but I disagree that we should hot also carefully check everyone; as soon as you allow any group to get by, that is the route terrorists will use. I’m afraid this is the real world, folks, and while none of us likes it, it is the only way we have right now. Young children are taught to go to the doctor and take off their clothes and not feel sexually molested because it is necessary; they can be taught that the TSA agents are there to protect them and to protect the plane they will fly in; and they should be taught, as many posting here have not been, that real sexual molestation involves motive; an agent whose job it is to protect all of us is not a sexual molester. And it is better to humiliate some passengers than to lose them all in a terrorst attack. That is simply the price we must pay in wartime.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah  @ElizabethDeFranco News flash, adamenochnoah, we grow our own. Elizabeth, it is important to make sure that every person who fits the profile be carefully checked; but it is equally important not to allow any group to go unchecked, for that will be the source of the next attack.

        • Amy Lambert

          Oh, yes, one of you most certainly did more than suggest there is no terrorist threat; he came right with it. Surely not all of you have done so, but many comments here imply there is no threat; otherwise to accept that the threat exists but to suggest that TSA neither scan nor pat down is unreasonable.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  @Pakinpastor LoL Amy! You have a better chance of being struck by lighting than being attacked by a terrorist.

        • Amy Lambert

          which reply are you referrring to?

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah  @Pakinpastor That only proves that the TSA has been quite effective, doesn’t it, adamenochnoah?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  No we don’t. The Govt sets up some stupid patsy that is not even competent in terrorism to keep this fantasy alive. Fighting terrorist is big business in America & that is how they have been growing the govt. The war on terror is about profits & controlling Eurasia & the American people. It is a proven farce.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  @Pakinpastor Nope, it proves you have a better chance of being kiIIed by a meteor than by a terrorist…

    • JimGreaves

      @Amy Lambert
       JUDGES, and not juries, have been “given” the power to determine what facts are “evidence” in our jurisprudential system. The judges then “instruct” the juries “on the law”. IF judges decide the facts, which is the JURY’S job, and also decide the law, then what the hell do we need juries for? To confirm the prosecutions’ cases???!! Give me a break Amy. Juries have for centuries been charged with the duty to decide the facts in cases – and they have had, for centuries, the power to nullify bad law. Where are all you people going with this crap, that because a jury “decided”, the decision is lawful? Look at my logic again. If juries don’t decide the law, they do not get to rule on the law. If juries do not decide the facts, they do not get to rule on the facts. Ipso facto, as they might say in first year law school, game over. Prosecution ALWAYS wins.

      • Amy Lambert

        Were you at this trial? Did you read the transcript? If not, are you telling us that you object to jury trials now because they must all be unfair? How do you know what this particular judge did or did not do? Did any of the lawyers appeal the case? Can you suggest a better system than our jurisprudence system? You are making assumptions about what happened right out of the box, without having any knowledge of this particular case. I don’t think that is responsible reasoning.

      • Amy Lambert

        Judges can be over=ruled. They must follow the law when deciding which evidence may be allowed. They can’t just pull the answer out of the hat. If their ruling is wrong, the opposing counsel can use the transcript to argue in the appeal that the judge wrongfully excluded key evidence.

    • Sunnyblues

      @Amy Lambert Sorry, Amy, but the TSA is out of control.  I was told to go through the nudie scanner while my husband was directed to the metal detector.  I said to the agent that I thought it was optional and he told me it was random selection so I reluctantly went into that horrid scanner.  It was embarrassing to have to stand there with everyone watching, spread my legs and reach into the air.  It was over quickly but then I was told that the machine indicated that I had a suspicious area on my abdomen that they had to check.  I was then groped by a female agent who, of course, found nothing.  This whole experience was humiliating, and I felt violated.  It took weeks for me to calm down from the experience.  I didn’t make a fuss at the time because I just wanted to get home.  But this is not acceptable.  I sympathize with this women because it was a violation of my rights, my privacy and my freedom.  Maybe some people don’t mind getting scanned and felt up but many of us do.  This women had every right to protect her daughter from gestapo agents who seem to get off on their little power trips.

      • Amy Lambert

        @Sunnyblues It is random selection but you have the right to say no to any particular security method, and you have the right not to fly. the rest of us have the right to fly safely, and to insist that you subject yourself to one of the methods or don’t fly.  I don’t like being patted down either, sunnyblues.But I prefer it to the possible alternative, which is being blown to smithereens. It isn’t a perfect world. Get over it. The rest of us have rights to, including the right to our safety and the safety and security of our transportation systems without which the entire economy would come to a screeching halt. I really believe that many people writing here have not adjusted to the new reality; they think they are living pre-9/11. We are at war, folks. Time to get over your little humiliations and grow up and face reality.

        • Sunnyblues

          @Amy Lambert Apparently you haven’t seen the videos where plastic explosives taped to an individuals side can go completely undetected by these machines.  Still feel safe, Amy?

        • Amy Lambert

          sounds as if you are arguing for a pat down, sunnyblues

        • Amy Lambert

          and by the way, do you ever go to a gynocologist?

        • Sunnyblues

          @Amy Lambert And there is suppose to be a connection between gynecology and TSA agents??????????

        • Sunnyblues

          @Amy Lambert Man, I guess you have all the answers.  Sounds like you work for the TSA.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Sunnyblues  @Amy Lambert she’s (if it is a she) is a plant with nothing better to do.
          She has no valid positions, just rambling because it feeds her(?) pathetic little ego.

        • Amy Lambert

          Answer the question and I will give you the answer.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Sunnyblues So you have concluded that anyone who “has all the answers” must work for the TSA? Come now, isn’t it possible to not work for the TSA and still want to arrive alive?

        • Sunnyblues

          @Amy Lambert No, I was being sarcastic.  Good night, Amy.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Sunnyblues I can assure you, Grumpy that my ego is neither little nor pathetic, and that I am not a plant and that I do not consider what I am doing here a waste of time; your comment suggests that we should all have better things to do than argue for safe air flying and to argue for citizens to review facts before jumping to conclusions about stories that have been half-reported on the news.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert gynocologist? <– mispelled?  My gf has an appointment at the gynacolleges. I think she’s going to take some political classes :-)

    • Commie Hunter

      @Amy Lambert @Amy, but a trial by an “ignorant” jury is no trial at all, is it?

      • Amy Lambert

        @Commie Hunter and as a better method you would suggest. . .

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  “Profiling” like they do in Israel. Search the mo fos that look & act like radical muslums & don’t let them fly, & issue everyone else a Glock when they get on the plane. Problem solved

        • Amy Lambert

          I heartily approve of the methods they use in Israel.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Commie Hunter  @Amy Lambert I much prefer my Ruger P97 .45.

        • adamenochnoah

          @GrumpyOldGoat   I’m partial to my Ruger P345 mated with my Highpoint carbine all in 45acp…

    • John Riverside

      @Amy Lambert Ahh Amy.   You are far too intelligent a word smith, and far too committed to supporting a Communist Totalitarian Style civil rights denial culture thrust upon us by The State,  to be on this web site by accident.
       
      You are a plant, and, undoubtedly, paid to be here.  
       
      Your support of every form of government — from the military to the CIA — is most telling.  But  what is most telling of all, is your almost subconscious support of the fact of the arrest of this brave woman as she defended her right against search and seizure without probable cause.  The fact that the TSA caused her to be arrested in the first place and the fact that  a state criminal system prosecuted her in the first place is gut wrenching and sickening, and sounds the clarion call for all citizens to unite and rescue our country from this  kind of Marxist government you embrace.

      • Commie Hunter

        @John Riverside  ROFL John. I do believe you’re correct. She’s definitely some sort of government employee pulling down a “taxpayer funded” check of some sort.  At first I thought it might be a welfare check & she was sitting on her couch at home with all the computer time she seems to have available, but I do believe she is much too intelligent to be a welfare mother.

      • Amy Lambert

        @John Riverside nope i’m not a plant. actually i’m a registered republican. somehow someone started e mailing this blog to me. i get quite a few conservative blogs e mailed to me.  how do you know this is a brave woman? if you consider what happens at airport security to be search and seizure without reasonable cause, may I suggest that terrorism is a reasonable cause? I don’t know the facts and you don’t know the facts of what happened preceeding her arrest. you are jumping to a conclusion, which is in fact what communist totaliarian style states do. I am saying that we used the jury system to decide, and that I cannot think of  a system for determining truth that is better; it is hardly perfect but it the best that mankind has bee able to come up with. my entire objection here is that we don’t know what happened; not one person who has posted has read the transcript of the trial, so we do not know what happened. if you believe that a person who wishes to avoid scans and chooses pat downs is by definition subjecting themselves to being molested, then I can’t really chat with you any longer. I really think a bunch of you need to face reality, which is that we are a nation at war and being patted down to avoid being blown up is one of the sacrifices that adults should be making. everyone on that plane has a right to as much security as is reasonably possible, and personally, while I dislike being patted down, I prefer it to the alternative, and I would never presume to place a plane load of innocent people at risk because I felt a little “humiliated”.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  HA !  I knew you were too inteligent to be a liberal. Way too intelligent. Now if we could just get you to join the Libertarian party, or maybe turn you into a Constitutionalist, all would be right with the world :-)

      • Amy Lambert

        @John Riverside John, I am always amazed when people run out of good arguments how the next step is always to suspect the motives of the opinions with which they disagree. My “support of every form of government is most telling”. . .of what?  Half of you have called me a Nazi and the other half a Commie. How about I’m just a conservative Republican citizen who believes that while government is imperfect it is the only thing between me and Islamists? I don’t call, every time the government arrests someone . . .I don’t call them a criminal system. Now it is possible I would agree with you if, after viewing the trial transcript, I felt the verdict was uncalled for and unsupported. I would also expect the mother’s attorney to appeal her case under those circumstances. It seems to me that you folks who like calling names, especially extremist names, are yourselves extremists who do not believe in the primary role of government to protect us from our enemies , do not believe in our jury system, and distrust everything about America. I love America, especially compared to the alternatives out there. No government is perfect and no security system is perfect, but I do not believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  Amy, you’ve made many good points in these last two posts. I think you’re just too “pro government” & we want you to be more pro American, pro Constitution,  & maybe be a  little less believing that the government is all good because it isn’t.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Commie Hunter Dear Commie Hunter, I do not believe that the government is all good; nor do I believe that we should jump to the conclusion that every time someone is arrested for standing up to the TSA it is all bad. We really need to know more about what happened in this case  before we all rush to agree with a headline that says “Government smacks down mother who protects daughter from TSA (or something similar to that).
          The government (TSA) may have been completely in the wrong here, or partly in the wrong or completely justified, as the jury has found. I don’t know and neither does anyone else commenting here. People posting here have suggested (some of them) that every pat down is “sexual molestation”. I find that absurd, unless you are arguing on the terrorist’s side, because that position supports their cause, not the cause of the flying public and not the cause of innocent people working in the Pentagon or Twin Towers. Where you and I differ (in your last post) is that when you say you want me to be more American (pro Constitution) it reminds me of the old saying that liberals are so open minded that their brains have fallen out. That works both way, in my view; one can become so distrusting of one’s own government that, in effect, whether intended or not, one’s position actually helps not the freedom- lover, but the radical Islamist enemy. Look to the ultimate effect, not just to the ideology.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  @Commie Hunter Amy, do you have any evidence of the TSA ever making a legitimate arrest of any terrorist? It hasn’t happened, ever. All they do is harass law-abiding American citizens.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert   “The liberals are so open minded that their brains have fallen out”
            Ha ha ha I never heard that before but I think that’s true. In fact I’m sure it’s true. That MUST BE what’s wrong with them. They’re so completely ignorant!

  • Bob11348

    If Obama is re-elected you will be getting this same treatment on every corner and show your I.D. or papers . God help us all .

    • Amy Lambert

      That used to be the cry against re electing Bush.
       
      How do you propose that the governent protect the populace from radical Islamist terrorists?

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         Everyone carry opening and concealed without having to beg anyone’s permission.

        • decordr

          Jim that is the best idea so far to stop this madness.  In states that have indorsed the license to carry. Crime has done down.  hOWEVER i THINK IT WOULD BE AN EVEN BETTER DETERENT IF ALL HAND GUNS WERE VISABLE.

      • Pakinpastor

        @Amy Lambert
         It’s not the governments place to defend me or my family. I take that responsibility very seriously. I am armed at all times. I take classes in tactical offence and defence. I have CCW license and study the laws. Because when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. So I keep aware of my surroundings. I watch people, and know where the entry/exits are as well as keep an eye on everyone in the room. I have only pulled my weapon twice in the last 15 years. Both times got me an “Attaboy” from the local police. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. This TSA is the SS in America, and I will keep an eye on them as well.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Pakinpastor “It’s not the governments place to defend me or my family.” Most Americans would differ with you there, Pakinpastor. They would say that it is in fact government’s first duty to protect us; I am glad we have people like you who understand how to protect themselves; but without government, all your obvious skills and weapons will not hold off a determined enemy army, whether in or out of uniform.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  @Pakinpastor Objection. That is subjective. Please contain your replies to something that can be proven.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  The governments ONLY job is to protect our borders & repell all invaders both hostile & benign. But of course they can’t do that one simple job, & don’t want to, thus the 12 to 15 million illegal aliens who’ve poured in over our southern border, stealing American jobs, overcrowding our schools, & nearly bankrupting the hospitals with their emergency room visits (they’ve figured out that if they go to the ER, they have to treat them & they don’t have to pay) but we pay in higher ins. premiums & hospital costs.

      • decordr

        profile .  The things that are being done to us for our so called safety  is the life style the terrorist  are happy to impose on us to generate fear.

  • James Maxwell

    I and many of my friend have quite flying for any reason inluding business trips.  It is much less stressful to simpley
    rent a van, drive to where i want to go and enjoy myself.  I plan ahead and insure that I have enough time to arrive,
    conduct my business and I can even take my wife with me to make it even more fun.   My stress level has droped
    and I do not have to worrie about gestabo tactics by incompenten fools who are not qualifyied to even enter the
    court house except in handcuffs.

  • WhiteFalcon

    Personally, I don’t trust anything this Government says. Maybe some of it is true, but I’ve seen so many lies that I just assume that anything that they say needs to be corroborated by another independent source. This Ovomit Government is nothing but lies and deciet from top to bottom.

  • Ron Mar

    TSA = Terrorist Support Agency

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @Ron Mar Terminally Stupid a*holes

      • Ron Mar

        @GrumpyOldGoat
         That’s a good one. I like it, but it is not true of all of them. My brother-in-law is one in TX and was a Corrections Officer in a TX State Prison. He is nice to airline passengers, and they like him.

  • momzilla11

    Anyone remember when air travel was fun?  And even a treat?  Now we drive or we don’t go.

    • Amy Lambert

      The fact that air travel is no longer fun is the fault of radical islamists not American security forces who seek them out.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         The issue, Amy, is not what you say above, but that there need to be some intelligent people conducting the security. Not a bunch of f-ing goons.

        • Amy Lambert

          Good point, Jim

      • momzilla11

        @Amy Lambert
         Personally, I think fault is a mixed bag.  In any case … no matter who/what changed the rules of the travel game … I choose not to play.

      • Mixture V ranks

        @Amy Lambert The only really secure way to handle this problem is to profile people.  If one sees a Muslim male between the ages of 15 to 50 let us say, then, the chances of him being a risk are far greater than 99.99% of Americans.  That’s not hard to do.  Israel has been doing this for years and they have possibly the safest single airline in the business.  And considering where Israel is located, that’s a feat all by itself.  But, then, our TSA people aren’t trained to do this.  And they’re all government employees, not employees of a private company in the security business.  That of itself makes a big difference.

        • Amy Lambert

          I do not disagree with your statistics, Mixture V ranks. I do disagree with your assumption that all Muslim males are not Americans. Some will be.
           
          And I would not agree that we should target only Muslim males; that would be a sure=fire way to make it really easy for every other potential weapons smuggler; they could bring the weapons onto the planes for use by the radical Islamic males (or females,don’t forget the females).

        • Mixture V ranks

          @Amy Lambert There was no suggestion that Muslim males are not American.  However, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were all in London and Paris at the same time in the 1780’s and met with the ambassador from Tripoli, the North African area whose Pascha was busy hijacking legitimate commerce between European countries.  France and Britain, especially France, were paying the ransoms to prevent their seamen from being tortured and killed.  All three of our Founding Fathers were outraged at the murderous views they heard expressed from the lips of the ambassador in pure Islamic fashion.  “Musselmen”, as they were called then, are no different in any century.  Jefferson, who essentially was not in favor of military solutions to any diplomatic problem, if such could be avoided, finally sent in the Marines to squash the Pascha of Tripoli because the latter had impressed one of our commercial vessels using his Barbary Coast sanctuary as his seat of power. “To the shores of Tripoli” belongs to the first line of the Marines’ Hymn.
           
          Islam is by its very nature, Amy, opposed not only to Christ the Lord, but to any other religious tradition, since in their view, Allah, the Arabian moon god, is supreme and Mohammad is his self-proclaimed prophet.  The Qoran, a collections mostly of Mohammad’s words, sets up constant jihad until all the world is put under their rule.  Read the history of what they have done, since 650 A.D.  The carnage in North Africa alone, men, women and children, is beyond current belief. 
           
          Muslims may become American citizens but they cannot become Americans.  Islam will not permit this.

  • Infinidelphia

    We are presently hostages of a POLICE STATE.
     
    The so-called “Transportation Safety Agency” has been assigned by this government to send agents to sports events, rallies, entertainment venues, and other public gatherings which have NOTHING whatsoever to do with transportation, except for the remote link that people have to move from one place to another to get there. Walking, for instance.
     
    The TSA agents have the authority to demand instant obedience to their orders. If you refuse, or resist, or simply give them backtalk, even calm CIVIL questioning of why they are singling you out, you are subject to arrest and criminal charges, and a whopping $5,000.00 (yes, that’s FIVE THOUSAND USD) FINE.
     
    This is the definition of a POLICE STATE.
     
    Just a few years ago, any person could climb into their car and drive from one coast of this nation to the other, and NEVER have a law officer demand to see your identification, unless you actually violated a traffic law.
     
    This must end. We are being made into a nation of slaves, NOT citizens.

    • Amy Lambert

      @ Infinidelphia If you were a radical islamist terrorist, this would be the perfect argument to make, wouldn’t it?

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert  @ Infinidelphia your comment is irrelevant because he is an American Citizen.
         
        And he is discussing a government agency that is provably UNCONSTITUTIONAL whether you like it or not.
         
        I have shown you the relevant, CONTROLLING portions of the Constitution and you wave them off as if they have no value.
         
        I guess that would put you in the category of “Fomenting Treason” against the Constitution, as well as against the People.
         
        But, you hang in there buttercup.
         
        To the vast majority of Americans, the Constitution is ALIVE AND WELL.
         
        You can cry yourself to sleep on that happy note.
         
        WE are done here for the night.

  • JimGreaves

    Amy Lambert challenged me to report on “both sides” if I had seen transcript related to this issue. Why should I have had to do that in order to be a non-seated member of the “jury of the mother’s peers”? If – as the LEFT constantly tells us, and our Federal Constitution guarantees – we are responsible for the raising, safety and protection of our children, should the mother in this issue have to do anything to show that SHE has the RIGHT and the POWER to refuse to allow ANYONE to touch her child? And I should NOT have to justify my comments in her support, nor should that jury “decision” have been upheld by that judge – there are MANY times judges throw out jury verdicts. The judge in this case is part of the problem, not part of the solution, and should have been immediately disbarred.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JimGreaves To “touch” her child? That is what a pat down is, and she agreed to it. Her sole complaint was that the person patting down her child molested her in the process.  you surely must be aware that neither the government nor the TSA in particular support any molestation.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         Oh, I see. Molesting a child by a government worker is okay.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JimGreaves Part of being responsibel for the safety of our children includes having them fly safely. If you take the position that we must all board planes without any security checks, and consider that enhancing the safety of our children, then you take the position of the radical Islamists who will be blowing up the airplanes with your children on board.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         I don’t fly. When I did in the 1960’s and early 1970’s, there were hijackings and crashes. No one patted us down. And no one pats down the Muslim women as quickly or virulently as they pat down the Caucasian non-Muslim children and adults, even stealing from the latter. Are you sure you want to defend this intrusion on OUR 4th Amendment?

      • LarryStrawbridge

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves The logical solution and the thing we must all do now is to wear Burka’s that cover us from head to toe, pretending to be Islamic extremists and DEMAND that our “right” to NOT be profiled be upheld…which i am SURE it would be if we whitey Christians pretend to be Muslims. You never see a Muslim pretending to be a white anglo-saxon Christian, do ya? NO, because white Christians ARE profiled because we are so nice about it and we dont have a radical organizxation like CARE as do the Muslims that raise hell whenever they think the “rights” of  Muslim persons MIGHT be infringed upon! 1984 has come and gone, folks. George Orwell was spot on.

        • decordr

          @LarryStrawbridge  @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves  I’m new to this site. when I hit LIKE it changes to UNLIKE. Why?

        • Commie Hunter

          @decordr      The “unlike” button is just so you can reverse it in case you make a mistake, or change your mind. It also shows you which ones you have already liked so you don’t have to run your cursor over all the icons to see if you have liked it previously. This saves a lot of time.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves ..Amy, that is a ‘sheeple’ response.  Just because radical islamists blow up planes is no reason to rip our US Constitution to shreds.  The correct approach would have been to profile passengers (which we do all the time in law enforcement; it’s how we catch serial killers and other repeat offenders).  What we DON’T do is make every citizen go through pat downs as if all are suspects; that’s ludicrous and frankly, illegal if we are following our Constitution.  Showing your kids the acquiescing of parents is simply setting a very poor example of how freedom works…something the next generation will have to fight for just like we did.  Let’s not make their job harder than it ought to be.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  They will not & you have no evidence to support that outrageous claim.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves And you, amy, are more than willing to take the assumption that EVERYBODY is guilty and has to be stripped and patted down to ‘prove their innocence’?
         
        You refuse to require PROBABLE CAUSE, but willingly let some perverted cretin to ‘pat you down’.
         
        You really should take a course in remedial Constitution and ALL the Founding Documents, as well as an indepth study into the Founding Fathers and the reasons they created this Nation in the first place.
         
        We find ourselves trying to get a thought into your head that you have been brainwashed to deny.
        THAT is YOUR emotional and intellectual problem.  WHy are you trying to make it our problem as well?

        • Amy Lambert

          Dear GrumpyOldGoat, it is always a pleasure to chat with a constitutional law expert, but it is hardly a correct conclusion that my position assumes that everyone is guilty; we all know that this is quite absurd. We just don’t know who is guilty, and therefore must check everyone. There is no such thing as probable cause for finding terrorists. If you mean by probable cause that we should target Muslim males, I can pretty much guarantee that the next terrorist act will be by a non-Muslim female. Probably a crippled grandma. By the way, “probable cause” is normally applied where the question involves whether a policeman can stop a person and search him; he can’t just decide to stop any old person walking along the street or driving his car; on the other hand, we don’t want police to not be able to stop people who may appear to be committing, or to have committed, crimes. Since 9/11 it has become necessary to protect passengers and airlines. Where terror is concerned, in order to protect all the passengers from would-be terrorists, unless we train sufficient numbers of highly intelligent, committed, and skillful people like the Israelis, we will not be able to effectively use probable cause here. They deal with small numbers of people; we probably deal with more travellers in a day than they do in a year. The idea is not to search people to prove their innocence; the idea is to search people to find terrorists before they strike. Feel free to ignore my comments henceforth if you find them too confusing.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert The final end to your illogical logic is to end crime forever in America by incarcerating all Americans. Done, for the greater good of all. Enjoy your life in your 8×4 ft cell.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert Your comments are never hard to understand.
           
          You have no understanding of the concepts and values this nation was founded on.
           
          We shall start here:
          The Preamble to The Bill of Rights
          Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
          THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
          RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
          ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
           
          This is followed by the original 10 Amendments to the Constitution known far and wide as THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
           
          Since this action is DIRECTLY offensive the the 4th Amendment, we shall proceed directly to that RIGHT that is “GUARANTEED”, not ‘granted.
           
          It is ENDOWED by our CREATOR.
          Amendment IV
          The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
           
          Pay particular attention to the phrase “secure in their persons”  That means the actual body, clothing and articles the person may be in possession of.
           
          “against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
           
          “PROBABLE CAUSE”, “Oath or affirmation” (by the accuser), “and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
           
          NOT an open-ended search of any and all persons for any, or NO reason.
           
          Now, try real hard to tell me that you are not too stupid to understand such a simply worded paragraph.
           
          The other nine are equally worded to be read by even the poorly educated of the time.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert  “Illogical Logic”? Gawd Amy, you’re beginning to sound like Spock.
           
          Beam me up Scotty, this planet & my government sux!!

      • Amomthatcares

        @Amy Lambert Oh Amy, sorry to break it to u but don’t be so naive. In the TSA there are many good agents but also some VERY CREEPY ones.. Ex. One man turned in to the sheriff because he followed a girl to her car after work. An agent doing secondary gate screening on an early 20’s blonde wearing a tight tanktop and stretch skinny jeans, an early 20’s got full leg patdown and he was wearing shorts.. The weird ones must be stopped! It is happening way too much.

  • sally Fama

    I’m with Momzilla on this one: I’ll drive or I won’t go.  If everyone refused to travel by plane, the loss to the Airline industry might influence the government to scrub the nude xrays and “pat downs”.   Israel, a country that has neighbors hating it’s existence, is able to identify possible terrorists without xrays or “pat downs”.   If they are successfully checking passengers  without molesting them, why can’t we?  The TSA agents are nasty.  Give a person a position of authority (TSA agents) and they become commandos.

    • Commie Hunter

      That’s an easy one Sally. In Israel they aren’t worried about this liberally fostered “politically correctness” crap & they use profiling to their advantage.

      • ElizabethDeFranco

        @Commie Hunter Amen to that, Commie Hunter. Unfortunately for us, the Israeli govt is far more astute than our current regime insofar as Israel is actually successful in their methodology of fighting against radical Islam, while we are hampered & deterred, as you referenced by the PC Police.

        • Commie Hunter

          @ElizabethDeFranco EXACTLY…… I think I’d feel safer flying into & out of Tel Aviv than anywhere in the U.S.

        • ElizabethDeFranco

          @Commie Hunter  @ElizabethDeFranco Oh, I definitely would feel far safer under the auspices of El Al Airlines, than flying on anything out of the good old USA, where political correctness & idiocy trumps common sense measures that would quickly render our nation a much safer place, absent the threat of those who seek to do us harm–instead we have to target elderly people in wheelchairs w/colostomy bags & small children being sexually assaulted & humiliated by our overly intrusive govt regime tools!

      • decordr

        politcal correctness is the root of most of our problems.

  • JJWhite

    Is it TSA or under Obama is the TSA becoming the SS

    • ElizabethDeFranco

      @JJWhite I often refer to those on the left as the “new SS”–the Secular Socialists

  • Commie Hunter

    @ Amy Lambert.. I didn’t know if you were going to go back to the previous post so here’s the link. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tsa-let-25-illegal-aliens-attend-flight-school-owned-illegal-alien

  • ShadowWind

    TSA=Totalitarian Sexual Assailants

    • ElizabethDeFranco

      @ShadowWind Great acronym!

  • davienne

    what i do know is !!! it would be a cold day in hell … before  i would allow my grand babies go alone with one of those perverts… i have 2 grandsons and a grand daughter…

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    If everyone would simply STOP FLYING for a month, this problem would solve itself.  Economic bludgeoning seems to be the only weapon we have left short of a full blown revolution.  I suggest we at least TRY IT.

    • guest

      @dntmkmecomoverther Then the airlines will go broke, out of business, bye-bye. then Americans won’t travel at all, fish-in-a-barrel. I wish some Patriots would start going postal on those TSA scum

      • davienne

        @dntmkmecomoverther
         @i dissagree,,, we have gone 67 years wthout TSA.. even in the 70 and 80s when there were alot of hijackings … its true 9/11/01 was terrible.. but  my point is that after all of what America has gone thru we have always stood our ground… we didnt need TSA then and we dont need them now… especially when government brings the muslim brotherhood to the W H

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @dntmkmecomoverther Well, your last thought was my #2 idea; shouldn’t we try the first one before resorting to the last?

    • Amy Lambert

      @dntmkmecomoverther Who is “we”–the lot of you have already given up flying and the rest of us who actually board airliners regularly would prefer to have the TSA checking for terrorists.

  • Pakinpastor

    I made the simple choice to NEVER fly again. I will not pay my hard earned money to go and have someone grope me or my family. I would like to see many millions of people make the same choice, until they have to force the TSA out of our airports. The last person said for a month, but I have not flown for almost 9 years now. And I will NOT fly anywhere, PERIOD!

    • ElizabethDeFranco

      @Pakinpastor I’m with you in that regard–neither I nor my family will ever fly anywhere again!

    • Amy Lambert

      It may amaze you to know that millions of people disagree completelywith your every thought on this subject and that your prayer that they will stop flying because you think pat-downs are groping will not be answered anytime in the near or distant future.

      • Pakinpastor

        @Amy Lambert
         It does not amaze me at all Amy. There are people that will accept anything that is thrust upon them and not bat an eye. But there are some who think for themselves, and make decisions, wether good or bad, based on their beliefs. I choose not to fly, and would encourage others to do the same. I would hope they would make their own decision based on their beliefs, just as you have. But, just becasue I disagree with you does not make you right or me wrong. I’m sure there are many things I would agree with you on, as you may agree with me on certain things. But it just shows that we are individuals and not robots. But as with any issue, there are those who will blindly follow something that is unConstitutional and not make a big deal out of it, and then there are those who will sound off. I chose to sound off. I believe it is just conditioning to make you and other just accept anything the government does, as being good for us. I just happen to disagree….. Also, I never said I prayed that others would stop flying, that is an assumption you made, based on your ignorance to what I actually said. Reading comprehension may be advisable for you.

  • Ron Paynter

    It’s a small wonder that nobody likes or trusts the police anymore when we read about situatios like this. And make no mistake,the TSA are a police force that suck worse than the regular cops. And that’s saying something. To treat this woman like this when all the evidence she had to support her her cause just goes to prove who the bullies are in our country We need to dissolve this bully operation immediately. They serve no good purpose,haven’t caught but maybe one “possible tewrrorist” in all the years they have been in operation. They miss a hell of a lot more than they catch. I hope Romney,when he becomes President,gets rid of these fools.

    • Amy Lambert

      @Ron Paynter To which evidence are you referring, specifically?

  • LarryStrawbridge

    @ Infinidelphia When i retire soon….I plan to get my Pilot’s license and buy a bi-plane and change my name to “Snoopy” or maybe “Red BAron” as that character might fit my curmudgeonly and irascible attitude. I will smuggle white Americans over the border to Mexico where they can get free food, medical and health coverage, drive a crappy car and insist that all Mexicans speak English to them while putting up signs in both Spanish AND English. Of course, we will have to get used to ticked off Mexicans yelling at us…”fricking speak Spanish, Mo’Fo!”  and….”Go back to America, gringo!”. However we white American “illegal” aliens MIGHT  get hired back by the companies we used to work for here in the USA that closed down here and moved to Mexico!  Think about it!

    • Amy Lambert

      I don’t think you will be a good navigator. This discussion concerns the alleged bullying by the TSA of a mother who allegedly was trying to protect her daughter from alleged sexual abuse during a routine TSA pat-down. You seem to be flying over some other territory.

  • Frands Halls

    In Germany the political leadership prior and during early stages of the Nazi regime knew how to harrass and intimidate the public by organizing a legitimate organization called the SA (brownshirts) These hoodlims well trained and ideologically obedient terrorized the public, their numbers by historians rose to 2.5 million out of a population of 80 million.  Till they fell out of favour to be replaced by an even more sinister organization called the SS (black) Is the TSA a precurser to the next phase of agents representing the government to control all aspects of our lives.

    • Amy Lambert

      Ah, so the brownshirts, who beat up German citizens in the streets, are the same as US TSA agents who seek to protect the flying public from the equivalent of brown shirts–terrorists. What deep insight.

  • guest

    “Society is sick” for the actions of perverse gestappo? C’mon, Your use of the english language is all over the map. Recall this agency was created by GW along with DHS. Will Romney save US from the brown-shirts? Why hasn’t he made it a campaign issue.

  • tom

    all we have to do to stop a terrorist from blowing up a plane is very simple, it has even been used to stop bus bombings. in key locations on a plane secure a package of pig guts, blood and heart and let it be known that it is somewhere on the plane. since when everything gets blown up and mixed together  they will not be able to see their god or get there reward

  • DaHeat

    Please understand that the TSA are NOT law enforcement, even though the TSA has issued them police style badges. They are a regulatory agency, just like the FAA is not a law enforcement agency.  If and when a crime allegedly occurs, they then  must call a ‘real’ cop’ to take charge of the investigation.  Get rid of TSA, and turn over airport security to state, local or federal agents who are trained, and can be held accountable…

  • tobeornot

    testing

  • tobeornot

    Heres what we need to do people.  Lets start an organization who goes to the airport in large numbers. Send one person up to get checked out and have them fight back.  Have the large group of people attack TSA and beat the liven shit out of them.  Disrobe them and shove sticks up there butts.     Just thinking.

    • Commie Hunter

      @tobeornot Ha ha, I like that idea. Your plan could be expanded to the worthless members of the executive, legislative, & judicial branches as well as the enforcement thugs. I’d like to start with all the lying liberals that voted for that worthless Mombasi Prince that’s living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. if we could all meet there tomorrow………. hmmm……

  • Myke1600

    What you don’t underestand is that TSA has nothing to do with making flying safer or catching terrorists. It is to condition you to this happening to you. So that when it starts happening on the street you will not rebel as much. Stopping the sale of large sized drinks has nothing to do with obesity or anything related to that. It is to condition you to being denied something. To being told you can’t have this. To get you used to they taking things away from you. Everything they do it to condition you to living in a Communist country where you have no rights.

    • tobeornot

      @Myke1600 Your absolutely right sir.  The same thing is with the price of gas.  They raise it real high and force people to buy it, lower it and then raise it higher.  Each time they raise it people are being conditioned to pay higher prices without complaining.

      • Myke1600

        @tobeornot
         
        Exactly . These Progressives are powerful people. And they are trying to kill America. Trying to kill our patriotism, our religion and every right we have. Because with patriotism and religion we have hope and with hope comes rebellion.

      • Amy Lambert

        You don’t have a clue what causes gas prices to rise and fall, do you? In Europe the governments tax gas in order to make it more expensive so that their alternative energy looks cheaper. Here the government does not tax gas, so the government is not responsible for the price as far as I can tell, except in the way it has been fighting oil exploration, pipelines and drilling. But the latter controls long term pricing, not week to week fluctuations, which are a factor of the financial markets and futures.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert SAY WHAAAAAT? The govt doesn’t tax gas in the US? What United States do you live in? The fed taxes gasoline!!  So do most or all of the states as far as I know. Maybe all of them do. The only possible exception might be Nevada since the gambling revenue pays a lot of the taxes that the citizens pay for in the other states. Nevada has no personal income tax so maybe no state gax tax either. What state do you live in? I live in Oregon & we’re taxed approx $ .50 a gallon. Now my frickin state is going to start charging us by the miles we drive & this is IN ADDITION to the original gas tax. We’re screwed!!

    • Amy Lambert

      @Myke1600 Sure. Checking for materials that could be used to blow up planes has nothing to do with preventing terrorists from considering blowing up planes (becaue they could be caught at the TSA checkpoint). Yup, the sole purpose is to condition patriots to not rebel as much. Wow. Now why didn’t I figure that one out.

  • adamenochnoah

    If I had a penny for every grammatical error I have spotted on these threads, I would be a rich man.

    • Commie Hunter

      @adamenochnoah We’re not big on grammer here Adam. Our main priority is getting the muslum communist out of OUR white house & all his socialist/communist brothers OUT of congress. (67 ADMITTED socialists & commies in congress at last count)

      • adamenochnoah

        @Commie Hunter I understand. It just that I grew up in the days that proper English was taught & teachers still knew how to use a paddle…

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah Yep, I was too, but that was before the feds stuck their noses in the mix, & the states still had control of the schools. I didn’t actually see where anybody had made any grammmatical or spelling errors on here except for Amy ha ha ha

    • Myke1600

      @adamenochnoah
       I should have proofread before I sent but if simple typos bother you enough to complain about them, when most of us are more interested in the content of the mail, then perhaps you shouldn’t be on this list. Instead of complaints about the participants, maybe you should try offering comments that show you are aware of what danger we and our country are in.
      I too appreciate proper English but more interested in what people have to say. Also there are people who may not have been brought up to use proper English. Should they refrain from offering their opinion for fear of being intimidated?

      • adamenochnoah

        @Myke1600 Sorry you wear your feelings out on your sleeve but if a little humorous constructive criticism is too much for you, so be it. As they say, if the shoe fits, wear it.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah  @Myke1600  Hey you two… knock it off or I’ll have to put you in “time out”. We are all of like minds & political persuations & are not the enemies of each other.
          These are our enemies –> socialists, communists, Marxists, fascists, ignorant liberals, dumbocrats, RINOS,  people who are too stupid to vote, people who are too stupid to live, the NWO, the U.N., Sarah Brady of HCI, (not to be confused with Sara Palin)..  people who are so stupid that they vote for an idiot from Mombasi Kenya that is supported by the communist party. Those are our enemies. Lets fire some salvos at them & not each other. Pursunally I um won of the worste spallers to eber grad u 8  from hi skool & nobudy gits on mee fur mi spellun :-)

        • adamenochnoah

          @Commie Hunter  @Myke1600 Why change now; I have lived my whole life in time-out & worse…

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @adamenochnoah Well the fact that this has not happened for you, has led us to believe that by default and logic, you must be a poor man.  But we are all just titilllated that you are a fine grammarian.

      • adamenochnoah

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    • dntmkmecomoverther

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      • adamenochnoah

        @dntmkmecomoverther Kool. This is almost as good as when we discovered Pig Latin… Please forward if you can read this & I will…Thanx

  • John Riverside

    Aahh  Amy:
     
    I am so pleased that I have gotten under your skin.  Registered real Republican my foot — registered RINO, a Republican in Name Only, a John McCain Republican,  would make some sense:  but I still lean towards my instinct that you are paid to be here because of the fact that the election is only 12 days away.  I do not believe in coincidence: and the Progressive/Communist Establishment has too much riding on this election to not seize every single opportunity  to keep this Constitutionally Ineligible, as yet un-convicted,  criminal  in the White House.  Approximately 375 House Members, from both sides of the aisle, signed Ron Paul’s “Audit The Fed” Bill, and the “Establishment” will do anything and everything, to prevent that momentum from roaring to legislative victory.  
     
    So both of your entreaties — the “awe shucks,  we are really brothers under the skin” , and the “how dare you criticize me, your criticism simply shows a lack of intellectual resource on your part” —  prove my point.  You are paid to be here and disrupt this web site.  
     
    Actually, Amy, you are doing us all a favor by energizing the conversation so tellingly that  you are driving more of us to the polls to vote for Mitt Romney and against Barack baby on November 6th.  
     
    For that, I thank you.

    • Amy Lambert

      @John Riverside Dear John, I only got as far as the suggestion that I want to keep Obama in the White House, which suggests you haven’t read many of my posts. When I stop laughing I may be able to continue. Will keep you posted.

    • Amy Lambert

      @John Riverside 
      “Actually, Amy, you are doing us all a favor by energizing the conversation so tellingly that  you are driving more of us to the polls to vote for Mitt Romney and against Barack baby on November 6th.  ”  I am happy to oblige!!! But I am also curious as to how you could come to the conclusion that I am either a progressive or a communit establishment person or anything but a Romney supporter just because I support our wonderfyul country, our justice system as the best possible means of arriving at the truth (short of really good reporting, which we haven’t had in this case) and safety on our airlines. Somehow you folks seem to conflate support for the TSA (until proven guilty) with support for Obama and for the life of me I see no connection.

    • Amy Lambert

      @John Riverside “So both of your entreaties — the “awe shucks,  we are really brothers under the skin” ,? What are you referring to here, if I may be so bold to ask?

  • tobeornot

    Everyone be careful voting. Nevada voting machines are rigged as they switch your vote over to Obama instead of Romney.    I watched a video today on it.   Of course nothing is being done about it or reporting it nationwide.
    But still, make sure who you vote for is correct.

    • ElizabethDeFranco

      @tobeornot Just watched the same video–it seems the only way that Obama can ensure a victory for himself is to endorse widespread voter fraud? Is that why only Dems are opposed to Voter ID laws?

  • adamenochnoah

    I’m bored discussing the stupid TSA. Can we all get back to our purpose for being here & start trashing Obama again? At least somebody parrot: “A vote for anybody but Romney is a vote for Obamney.” How about: “It’s the Law, that’s why.” Or maybe: “Cause the Govt Says So.”

    • jsbrodhead

      @adamenochnoah Did my comment do it for you?

      • adamenochnoah

        @jsbrodhead Hey man, you woke me up. That amy girl about put me to sleep. She is like a dripping faucet. I pity the poor fool that married her…

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah  @jsbrodhead I’m sure long paragraphs have always put you to sleep, Adametc.

  • jsbrodhead

    Totalitarian Services Authority (TSA) is cut from the same pile of steaming dung as @barackobama !

  • Toronto Gal

    When I try & respond to persons sent on my email, I have no idea where. 
    So whomever if you vote 3rd party (and don’t give me this sh… that you are voting your conscience) you are voting to put this country under the communist in office & the further destruction of this country! 
    So how does that square with protecting your children from molesters? The gov’t is the biggest molester of our children because their freedoms will be gone because they will be so heavily in debt.
    Because he is weakening our security & favoring the muslims just exactly what do bullies do to countries they think are weak?
    Well, maybe I won’t be around to see everything, but my children will be and so will my grandchildren & I cry for them. They don’t deserve what is coming & especially from people like you who will refuse to see the good in the man running for this office. And so you feel good about putting 0 back in office, but what the heck, you voted your conscience. It wouldn’t be so bad if we had honorable people in both sides, but we don’t!  Just listen to 0 and his bullshitter comment in front of a child, then click on this and see what our honorable vp said to a grieving father at the airport where his son was coming home in a casket.. Yes, I’m upset! If Romney doesn’t win in a landslide 0b0z0 will be in court for months, and his people will riot!
     
    Joe Biden to Father of Former Navy SEAL Killed in Benghazi: ‘Did Your Son Always Have Balls the Size of Cue Balls?’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/joe-biden-to-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-benghazi-did-your-son-always-have-balls-the-size-of-cue-balls/ via @theblaze

  • jimmy john

    Any one and I do mean any one who would vote for obama needs to have their hear examined  you people writing me about Romney check your facts after that vote Romney, and if you don’t have FACTS look it up or go to any republican headquarters and get the truth

  • Myke1600

    Oh geez I fell for it again. Someone who has no interest in discussing the subject but just likes to argue. How’s this. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. I wish you nothing but the best and understand your reason for complaining about typos. You are absolutely right. About everything. You are all knowing and must have a hard time putting up with fools like me. So lets just stop now and not  write each other again.
    And I agree with the others. A  vote for anyone but Romney or a no vote is a vote for B.O. who will destroy us.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    I hope on Inauguration day we can drag the nappy headed cotton picker out of the “White” House and tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail, along with David Axelrod, Plouffe, and the rest of the Marxists.

    • Amy Lambert

      Racism is disgusting. If you have no better arguments to make against the President of the United States (for whom I did not vote and will not vote) then you have nothing but vile racism to contribute to the conversation, which isn’t very much. Call him a Marxist if you wish; but adding comments that disparage the race of all non-white Americans shows you to be the kind of American who will cause nothing but trouble and discord in this country.

      • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

        @Amy Lambert Get your head out of the sand (or other places) and look around.  Racism has been brought to the forefront by the Muslim-in-Chief and his black radicals.  They want to kill white babies; they have roving black gangs beating up whites in what is called “knockout initiations” to get into the gang (where they knock out or kill a white in gang-related attacks); or black gangs on white girl rapes.  Does the media and law enforcement do anything about it?  Hell, no!  Racism is being caused by the racist blacks.  I’m just making an observation of the Moron-in-Chief in the White House and who he really is.  He’s a thief, an extortioner, corrupt, a despot, and a criminal.  He fits the mold of the problematic black in our society, caused by his own party. And, this is why more and more educated people are turning to white supremacy groups, e.g., KKK, etc. for protection against the black savage menace.  Doctors, lawyers, executives, middle class are looking for outlets to vent and for protection, and have found it in these groups.  If you don’t think so, then you’re as naive as they come.   Hence, me calling Obama what he really is should be raised to the appropriate discourse because he is an anti-White racist.  If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it ain’t a turkey!

        • Amy Lambert

          That racism has been brought to the fore by Obama is no excuse for you to mimic his disgusting behavior. All non whites are not radicals; Allen West is a perfect example; he is a black Congressman whom I support. Take a look at him handling a CAIR challenger:  http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2CVK4c2qu3M and tell me what you think, if you do think.

      • Commie Hunter

        @Amy Lambert Racists?? Well… we were all told by all the lame stream media that if we were Tea Party members, current or former military, republicans, conservatives, Libertarians, or didn’t vote for Obozo and/or didn’t support his socialist communist views & policies, then we were racists. The liberal media also called us “terrorists”… So, I guess if the shoe fits, we have to wear it.

    • Amy Lambert

      Check this video out and let me know your reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2CVK4c2qu3M

      • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

        I love Allen West, Mia Love (Congress–Utah), J.C. Watts (former Congress–OK), Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Alveda King, Martin Luther King, Jr., Alan Keyes, et al.  
         
        Obama is black trash.

        • Amy Lambert

          If that is your view, I would heartily suggest that you criticise his policies, not his race, or take your sick sorry racism to another site.

        • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

          @Amy Lambert Obama’s anti-white racist agenda are what drives his policies.  I’m just calling it is I see it.  I’m just calling a spade a spade.

        • Amy Lambert

          Oh, clever racist you.

  • JimSchafer

    i was picked on by my peers-very strongly. this is because I have a pysical coordination defecit, secondary to meningo-encephalitis(one seizure lasted more than 4 hours.) this left me with a difficulty of balance, i could not do a lot of the physical exercises, that were needed to warm up for the other activities. My peers would push me down in the lockers, while trying to change into the uniform making me late for the roll-call. this happened every day my 6th grade, and 1/2 the 7th grade—until the coaches took me out of that particular physical education class. they placed me in a different manner of p.e.—i managed football and track. if you can find a hobby, or something that they canot do, i can not emphaisize this enough the importance of practicing  this (if possibly in front of them, or bringing a finished product and presenting it to a teacher/counselor/someone that has played a significant role in helping deal with the bullies.
    I gained some respect by demonstrating my ability to cook. i took cakes and cookies to the coaches as a means of appreciation for their assistance. but i now feel that this also provided development of respect by the peers that picked on me.  as i recall there were some peers that helped me and “protected” me from the other “bullies”. It is my suggestion that those that are being picked on by the peers, do only minimal self-protection for themselves. also it would help the victims to try to forgive those bullies, because they are really the ones that need the most help. because they have to do the bullying to be accepted by  their peers. you, on the other hand have the options to walk away and feel good about yourself. it is true that you may need to protect yourself, but try  not to be aggressive in your responses. always maintain control and you can be the victor rather than the victim.

    • Amy Lambert

      Good post, Jim,especially the last sentence. But I would suggest to you that we don’t really know who the bully was in this instance. Many posts at the beginning of this discussion suggested that simply being subjected to a pat-down, including a correctly, professionally – performed pat-down, is akin to being sexually molested. I consider that to be a far-out , over the edge point of view, and I do not have enough information about what happened at the airport to know whether this mother agreed with that point of view. If she did, she would certainly have thought herself to have been protecting her daughter from being sexually molested. It is difficult to imagine anyone remaining calm under those circumstances. But we do not know whether she bullied the TSA in a misguided attempt to “protect” her daughter or whether the pat down was indeed done improperly; we do not know what the mother actually did, or said, or how she behaved. That is why the case went to trial,where all the available evidence was presented by both sides. In my view, the TSA is there to attempt protect us from terrorist acts aboard aircraft and even in terminals. The flying public consists of perfectly sane people and perfectly off the wall people and the poor TSA agent has to deal with both every single day. Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions every time you read that there was an arrest.

  • Toronto Gal

    It scares me to death about what he will do between Nov 6 & Jan 20. Why do they get so much time? In England they get out the next day! In France they have to leave the next day!  Can you imagine how angry this thin skinned poseur will be. Don’t give me the nonsense about the black man, I’m criticizing his white half.Some of us knew what he was long before he took the oath of office,. If it wasn’t for the people who think that this makes up for their bias, it doesn’t .

  • Toronto Gal

    jnsesq
    When Mitt Romney was heading Bain Capital, an employee asked for time off because his daughter had gone missing in NYC. (And you have some idea of what that can mean.)
    So, did this cold, distant, greedy One Percenter grant the man’s request? NO!!!
    Instead, he shut down Bain, flew his thirty employees to NYC where he set up a command post, canvassed the city and distributed tens of thousands of flyers. Within two weeks the man had his daughter back.
    Can’t speak for you, but this is the kind of man I want occupying the Oval Office, not some petulant man-child with no resume who pouts and sneers as he redistributes America’s wealth and power to the rest of the world and who lets his national security staff sit idly by watching live video of 7 hours of attacks on four Americans while doing NOTHING to save any of them with the military assets at his ready command.
    Then on to Vegas!
    Mitt Romney will not tell that story about himself. Barack Obama would — repeatedly — but has no story to tell.
    This from another poster!

    • Commie Hunter

      @Toronto Gal Well Obozo WAS a neighborhood organizer, (or was he really just a neighborhood “hood”)  He could tell his stories about smoking & selling crack, but I guess that wouldn’t garner him as many votes as the LIES he tells will. The really sad part is the number of people who believe him.  It’s sad that so many Americans are just plain ignorant & so damn gullible. That’s a great story about Romney. I didn’t know about that, & like you say he’s not a braggart like Obozo is so we would never hear about it.

      • Toronto Gal

        @Commie Hunter I guess you heard the story about the dying 14 year old that Romney went to visit time after time. They talked about what happens after you die, they talked about his will & in fact he came to the hospital with his legal pad and they made up his will – his skateboard went to . . . etc.  This boy could do nothing for Mitt. He would never talk about it. The young man asked him to speak at his funeral & of course Mitt did.  Imagine 0 doing this? Mitt is an honorable man and this might be the last chance we have to turn this country around.  Just think of 1 0r 2 0r 3 Supreme Court appointments and that should scare us to death.
        Did you know that he personally paid for milk for a Vets hospital in Boston for 2 years and only the milk man knew who was paying for it and Mitt told him that this was to be anonymous. After 2 years when the milkman was retiring the head of the hospital said, you have got to tell me now. And so the milkman did. This was his personal cheque, not something that came off of his income tax.
        He is a good man & he deserves a chance to try and fix this ship of state. And I believe he will. I’m praying about more than I’m breathing!

        • Commie Hunter

          @Toronto Gal I didn’t know about those either. That’s the problem with the lame stream media.  They always report about the suposedly “good” stuff that prez O’Liar did (whether real or “imagined” that he did, but they never say anything good about Romney. I agree Romney’s a very honorable man. He wasn’t my first choice as he’s not as politically conservative as I am,  but unlike Obozo, he’s not a liar & he is an honorable man & that’s good enough for me.

        • Amy Lambert

          That wasn’t “the media’s” fault; it was your fault. You didn’t watch the conventions.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert ouch, that hurt, but you’re correct. I didn’t watch much of them. I was working long hours & also didn’t see the point when they didn’t want Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Commie Hunter  @Toronto Gal “Community organizer”  code word for racist blackmamiler in the style of jessy jaxxxxon.
         
        “Either you cave to our demands, or we will have a thousand  minority people blocking the streets in front of your business, carrying signs and chanting stupid sayings to make the TV people think you are a lowlife scum company!”

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat  Yep, good ol Jessee J, along with Louis Farakan & Al Sharpton. Three of the biggest loudmouthed ignorant azzholes I’ve ever seen. I’ve noticed that Obama has taken to yelling a lot for the last few months too. Every frickin time I hear a sound bite he’s yelling. Does he think if he yells that we’re automatically going to believe his lies??

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Commie Hunter yelling?… interesting take.
           
          I thought it was howling like a wounded coyote…..
           
          I actually had a different take.  I’m from, and still live in, the Western ‘Cowboy’ States, and I really was born in a barn.
           
          And for some reason I still get a tear in my eye everytime I hear a jack*ss bray.
           
          With this fool it’s real tears….

        • oly

          @Commie Hunter  @GrumpyOldGoat He is also starting to speak  in a voice like he did back in his college days.  He now thinks everything he says is funny.  Everything is a big joke to him. I pray for the day that we can see him escorted out of the white house in handcuffs and into a very old dark prison full of men who, who even though they are criminals, they are still loyal Americans. The icing on the cake would be to see Eric Holder, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and his two communist comrades, David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett walking right behind him.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @oly  @Commie Hunter That would be a long conga line of cohorts and co-conspirators.
           
          I would rather he be placed in solitary confinement and never to hear another human sound for the rest of his days.
          No voices, no sounds of people moving about.  Just a door opening twice a day with a tray of food.

        • http://Google Ken 65

          I have heard the number of misfits at 73 that should be in line behind the deamon!

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Ken 65 That is not nearly enough to get most of congress and, at a minimum, 4 supreme court justices, maybe 5…

        • http://Google Ken 65

          It has to be done very soon!

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat & OLY…. Yeah, it seems like yelling to me. I listen to the radio when I’m working & whenever O’Liar comes on he’s always at least an octave higher & about 100 decibles louder.

      • Amy Lambert

        @Commie Hunter  @Toronto Gal If you didn’t know the story about Romney you weren’t able to watch the end of the campaign process in which the candidates were selected by their parties to run for office.

    • OffWithTheirHEADS

      @Toronto Gal There are a lot of praises for things that Mitt Romney did to help other people. He does not do these things for accolades. He is just a good, moral person who cares about his fellow man. You only have to look at the man to see he is Presidential Material.

  • http://Google Ken 65

    I see PROFILING and real armed men and women trained to PROFILE! President Bush had it RIGHT!

    • wyoming minuteman

      @Ken 65 Are you absolutely insane? George Bush initiated the programs under the Patriot Act! Get a clue.

  • Robertz

    You better get more used to it. The real stuff hidden within the healthcare bill will literally imprison you and your family. The feds have been getting you used to it through the TSA. There is a reason why our nations police forces have been militarized with help from the federal government.
    When radio host Paul W. Smith asked liberal congressman John Dingell (D-MI) why it will take the government until 2014 to fully set up the Obamacare system, Dingell said this: “It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken put the legislation together to control the people”.

  • adamenochnoah

    Amy Lambert
     
    How many times have you actually got on an airplane in the last 10 yrs & for what reason. Don’t lie, tell the truth.

    • Amy Lambert

      @adamenochnoah about 40; vacations.

    • Amy Lambert

      and you?

      • Amy Lambert

        I asked you how many times you have flown 2 hours ago. No response so far.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          I used to own an industrial sales company & had customers all over the country until the crash of 2008. Most of my customers are now out of business. Hardly a week went by for 20 years that i did not board an airplane, & during that time I never once felt the need for a TSA.

  • adamenochnoah

    Benjamin Franklin
     
    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” 
    ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” 
    ”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” 
    ”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.” 
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” 
    ”If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.” 
    ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” 
    ”He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.”
    ”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.”  ”Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.”
     
    Benjamin Franklin

    • Amy Lambert

      You know, allowing a search for weapons before boarding an airliner is not giving up freedom in the sense described in these quotes; it is simply common sense after 9/11. You folks don’t seem to understand what real freedom is or what it requires. Knee jerk responses to a government that is trying its best to protect the flying public will not get you freedom; it may get your plane blown up, however, and that will really set you free.

      • jsbrodhead

        @Amy Lambert 
        Bull crap!
        There are plenty of stories of the LACK of equal treatment of muslims, the most likely terrorists.  Government is SHOWING its hand and the Sheeple comply.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert 
        LoL! Now you’re resorting to channeling Ben Franklin in a failed attempt to distort the clear meaning of his immortal words to those of us who would reap the benefits of the Framers. The Colonist had their own terrorist to deal with back then, the British; & they did, & not by groping..

    • jsbrodhead

      @adamenochnoah 
      Those holding positions of Public Trust, who act unjustly to relieve the People of the Rights to Life, Liberty, or Property, are criminals deserving of none of those Rights.

      • MarkMatis

        @jsbrodhead  @adamenochnoah –  Well said.  And that includes their “Law Enforcement” enablers as well…

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    What we need to do is have EVERY traveler print out the 4th Amendment and hand it to the tsa creep and ask “Does legislated law supersede CONSTITUTIONAL LAW?” then wait for the answer.
     
    If they say yes, then calmly respond with ‘Well, I guess that means we can all pick and choose the laws we wish to obey, and those that do not matter.”
     
    Maybe followed with “do you live nearby?”…
     
    Start sc aring the hell out of the cretins they may turn out to be less retarded…. naw… that wuz just wishful thinkin’

    • adamenochnoah

      @GrumpyOldGoat Great idea!

  • adamenochnoah

    The whole DHS along with the TSA needs to be tossed in the garbage can where they belong. What we really need is to reinstate the Citizen State Militia where we can send them to arrest the corrupt politicians in DC where the real terrorist live…

    • OffWithTheirHEADS

      @adamenochnoah Now that Sir is the BEST IDEA!! We need to out the commies, give them their own medicine and a kangaroo court. Where is a Vlad the Impaler when you need one. Post em on Pennsylvania avenue.

  • wyoming minuteman

    This whole thing is sickening. You hear of these things happening, but, it never ceases to end. At some point in time, there will be a “reconing” and they are going to be on the receiving end of something they won’t enjoy, at all. They aren’t invisible, and they also have families. Power does things to people, especially minorities, that cloud their minds, and they forget everything else BUT the power they have at that specific time.

  • oly

    What is happening to this country?  Every day I when I go on line of check my email, I find a story that makes me wonder where I’m living. I don’t know if it’s because Obama and his supporters have changed so many laws and regulations or if it has nothing to do with him.  Maybe it has something to do with having so many illegals entering the country and being allowed to stay and work.  Maybe it’s because so many people from other countries coming in legally then get in the work force. They come from countries with different values and different ways of life .  Whatever the reason, it’s very scary.  How can a woman be charged with a crime when a video shows that what she is accused of doing is a lie?  Just the fact that she is charged should make people mad but when you think of how much money is being wasted to put her on trial is mind boggling.  No jury of American’s is going to find her guilty. I hope her attorney is successful in getting her case dropped before it goes to trial.  I would bet that the TSA agents were not born and raised American’s.

    • Amy Lambert

      @oly You saw only a tiny bit of the video; the tv news reporters may have selected the portion they wanted you to see , or there may not have been more; we are not told who took the video, how it was treated before it got to the news show, or anything else to allow us to determine the whole truth. That is why we have trials.

  • JohnBrinar

    The real crime here is the judge that has decided that all  police must be telling the truth eventhough there was substantial evidence to the contrary…..  This is what is called  a kangaroo court and the judge just rubber stamps what the government be=rings before the court……… We MUST change the judges that violate our rights!!!!!!!!’
    Post the judges names and pictures  on the net so people learn who  there disgusting judges are… they are worse than child molesters……..

    • Robertz

      @JohnBrinar I was a police office myself many years ago. I can tell you for sure, that the judge will ALWAYS take the officers word no matter what as the truth and YOU are the liar. It is not right but I don’t know how it could be changed. I have seen many officers flat out lie and the judge buy it. Get ready for the NEW America that is upon us. Those of you who vote for Obama and socializm are to blame.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JohnBrinar “The real crime here is the judge that has decided that all  police must be telling the truth even though there was substantial evidence to the contrary.” Which evidence is that? Please share the transcript with us.  When you demean the justice system of the United States of America, you might carefully consider the dangers inherent in that kind of attack. Please inform us of the means by which you would improve justice in America. While our system may be imperfect, the world has yet, in my opinion, to figure out a better way. We have an adversarial system; we have an appeals process, we have a jury of one’s peers. Go on; make it better.

      • Amy Lambert

        I forgot to mention: the JURY decided this case, not the judge.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JohnBrinar John, why don’t you try re-reading your first sentence? The jury decided, not the judge; the judge did not over-ride the jury’s decision. and the jury did not decide that “all police” must be telling the truth; it decided on this particular case and no other. And how do you know that there was substantial evidence to the contrary? Were you at the trial?

  • oly

    That is so true. We have to walk on egg shells for fear that we will say something that might offend someone, usually a member of a minority. I would like to know when the majority rules changed to whatever the minority wants they get. This is a Christian country and yet all one atheist has to say is, I find that nativity scene offensive and a judge decides that Christians are not allowed to display a nativity scene at Christmas. It think we should have judges that tells the atheist, if he is offended by anything he sees in this country, perhaps he should move to a communist country. They don’t worship anything.

    • Amy Lambert

      The atheists have become militantly aggressive , as have many extremist groups in America; this is a common pattern when times get hard. If you examine the extremism in Germany as the economic noose tightened, you can see the same sort of thing. Desperate people turn to desperate measures, which eventually allow some estremist madman to take charge; remember, Germans actually elected Hitler to power. That is why it is imperative that the economy be kept from tanking; that is why it is imperative to elect Romney; that is why it is imperative to forget those third party votes that do nothing but make you feel good. In the end, if Obama wins by a handful of votes, you will feel bad. . .really, really bad, and that will be just the beginning.

  • Megamom

    We’re losing our 4th Amendment rights.  Hopefully, Romney will put an end to this gastopo reseme.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      @Megamom Romney is for the NDAA, he’s not going to help you, or me. If you want freedom you better vote for Gary Johnson.

      • Amy Lambert

        Oh yeah, that and a dime will get ya a cup of coffee. But you will feel good about yourself for helping re-elect Obama.

        • Nanashi

          @Amy Lambert According to CNN, there was a poll that said that 47% would vote neither of those dingbats. Gary does stand a chance this time around.

        • Amy Lambert

          there was “a poll”? which poll and by which polling agent? anyone can conduct a poll; I could conduct a poll right here and report to CNN some very astonishing opinions, and undoubtedly CNN would report that there was “a poll” that showed that forty seven percent (of those polled, whomever they happened to poll and however they were selected) really believe that this time is different from all other times and the third party candidate stands a better chance than a snowball in hell. You must be Obama agent.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Nanashi  @Amy Lambert 
          If Gov Johnson does not win, he will at least help Romney beat Obama because many Obama voters will choose him over Obama. That makes him, at worst, a very safe protest vote. In addition, the more people who vote for Johnson, the more matching Federal funds the Libertarian Party will get for 2016. These millions of dollars will help us began to break up the stranglehold the corrupt two-party system has over this nation. Plus, we all know that with Obama or Romney, it will be business as usual after the election because neither one has the backbone to stand up to the monetary powers that are controlling this nation.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah    Seriously? What liberal socialist Obama voter is going to vote for Gary Johnson.  You can’t honestly believe that Adam. All votes for Johnson will come from Romney & we’ll get Obozo for another 4 years.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Nanashi  Last “poll” showed Gary Johnson only pulling 2-3%. HE CAN’T POSSIBLY WIN. He will only pull votes from Romney & we’ll end up with the socialist, communist, Marxist, Obama AGAIN!!

        • adamenochnoah

          @Commie Hunter 
          Explain how Gov Johnson was elected twice having never held public office in NM, which is a 2 to 1 Democratically controlled state? The NM GOP leaders told him before they allowed him into the GOP primary that he had no chance of becoming the Republican Gov of NM. You would have thought that the RNC & the GOP would have recognized that Johnson was the ideal candidate to beat Obama. wouldn’t you? The problem with Johnson was not that he could not beat Obama, it was that the RNC knew he would put the knife to big govt, so they forced him out of the party.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah  He was elected Gov because he only had to convince a few million to vote for him. Getting elected POTUS is a lot more difficult as you have to convince 50 million to vote for you. That’s why the GOP never tries to run a true conservative like you & I really want, such as Dr. Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson because they know they would NEVER get any of the moderates, semi moderates, liberals or or semi liberals to vote for them & it would result in a landslide the other way. It’s just simply a matter of numbers.

  • LGreen311

    this is simply conditioning to get the masses of sheeple used to having NO RIGHTS while being confronted by anyone in ‘supposed authority’ positions, which are in the case of TSA filled with the likes of thieves, narcissists and power-hungry goons, who lacked any more ambition to do anything greater with their life. Soon it will be the railroads, then buses, and finally ‘random check-points on our highways’ all to create the facade of safety, which at best is an illusion, since there is no such thing as a ‘sure thing’ in this life or ‘absolute security’, just like the ‘unsinkable ships’ on the ocean bottoms and the burglar alarm systems that are ‘burglar proof’, yet they get by-passed and the goodies stolen on a regular basis. Safety is very simple, You are safe, right up to the point you are not safe, it’s that quick, and it’s that clear cut. The TSA has yet to prevent, catch or stop any ‘REAL’ terrorists or terrorists plots (I don’t count the ones where the FBI agent met, talked about/up the attack, provided materials, aided and encouraged the would be terrorist to follow-thru) as valid terrorists stopped, since without this FBI enabler the person would have never acquired the necessary materials nor have had access to the materials and means to carry out such attacks. The pattern is becoming very clear however, and soon I’d expect to see the real terrorists to use this FBI assistance for would be terrorists and the terrorists will play the FBI for fools as they will have unknowingly aided in the conduct an execution of their terror plot, only when they dial the phone number this time it will e followed by an explosion at the intended target area
     
    The theory of why the TSA are the goons they are is clearly supported by recent reports of the thefts by numerous agents of TSA from luggage of passengers (they formerly would have been unaware of any valuable items present in luggage), the willingness/complacency of fellow TSA employees for not challenging others observed carrying the ill gotten booty away. .

    • Amy Lambert

      @LGreen311  RE:  “there is no such thing as a ‘sure thing’ in this life or ‘absolute security'”–therefore it is your position that we should abandon any attempt at security at all? The Islamist terrorists will sure be in love with you.

      • Nanashi

        @Amy Lambert  @LGreen311 “Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.” Benjamin Franklin

        • Amy Lambert

          Every single soldier fighting in the US army, airforce and marines sacrifices his liberty for your security.

        • Nanashi
        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          That is a twisted statement. It should read: Every US soldier potentially may have to sacrifice his life for our liberty.

        • Amy Lambert

          What you say is true, but it is also true. I meant what I wrote. When you join up, in effect you give up normal civil liberties and become a creature of the armed forces. I am not criticizing that; I believe it is necessary to have an effective fighting force. I merely point out that the liberty/security equation is more complex than it may appear in some homilies.

        • Amy Lambert

          Thanks for this, Nanashi. What is the reason that the FBI is alleged to have been behind this?

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert Considering human worth, I belief our military are the most valuable people that America has.As a whole  I will always honor them.
          for protecting America they stand just beneath GOD and HIS ministers.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  No, you just need to know that the buck stops at you when it comes to your personal security.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah That is true when it comes to one on one incidents like break-ins. I do not think that is true when it comes to nations.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Let me know when a nation-state is about to attack you, & I will come & help you defend yourself…

      • Evermyrtle

        @Amy Lambert  @LGreen311 Except “In the arms of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.” There is safety there but nowhere else.

    • Amy Lambert

      So, LGreen311, please discuss the authority enjoyed by the 9/11 terrorists as their planes headed for the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. Is that the kind you prefer, because that is the kind your anti-TSA positions will get you.

      • Nanashi

        Every terrorist except the shoe bomber were patsies by our own regime. And the Shoe bomber was thwarted by alert passengers.
         
        If we ditched the TSA, nothing of value would be lost.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Nanashi patsies by our own regime? could you be clearer. I am not sure I understand what you are thinking here.

        • Nanashi

          @Amy Lambert Last week the FBI busted someone for attempting to blow up the NY Federal Reserve…. The same someone was also HIRED by the FBI to blow it up.
           
          The FBI creates series of false flag attacks in order to dupe people like you into felling powerless without them.
           
          What’s next? Kicking a dog into the highway while nobody’s looking, grabbing people’s attention, save the same dog they endangered, and make themselves look big damn heroes?

        • Amy Lambert

          Ah, I see. Thanks for your clarification. I think we may differ on this one, too, Nanashi. Surprise.  The FBI works undercover; they are out there among the worst of our worst enemies, trying to blend in. That is one way our government is able to discover, and dismantle, domestic terror before it happens. They work by discovering who the unhinged fringes of radical Islamist groups are, and then “help” them along to commit the crimes they would otherwise commit on their own.They may make it possible for these buys to be sufficient amounts of fertilizer they require to make a bomb.  If the FBI left them to commit crimes on their own, it would only be able to catch them after the fact (assuming they were not suicide actors.) By doing it this way, they are able to catch them in the act (the fertilizer isn’t real fertilizer, for example, or the bomb won’t really work)  and get them off our streets before they actually do blow up Americans.  Did you not understand this?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          You are very naive as to what your govt is capable of doing. All the police state bureaucracies are run out of the Justice Dept. We have Fast & Furious, Ruby Ridge, & Waco all false flag operations run by them. In addition, there was the original 1993 bombing of the WTC where the FBI used a live bomb & the Oklahoma City bombing with real bombs which were handled by the FBI/BATF to convince the American people that both foreign & home grown terrorism is real on US soil. Once again, these acts by the US govt cabal are used to grow govt control, & make money for the military industrial complex & their investors. This is exactly what Eisenhower & Kennedy were warning us about in their speeches.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah ” In addition, there was the original 1993 bombing of the WTC where the FBI used a live bomb & the Oklahoma City bombing with real bombs which were handled by the FBI/BATF to convince the American people that both foreign & home grown terrorism is real on US soil.” Really? I can’t wait for your sources on this one.

        • Nanashi

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2vpcABWJiY

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Google it smarty pants. The FBI-hired Egyptian agent provocateur recorded his conversations with the FBI when they deviated from the original script with a fake bomb & told him to make a real bomb. The only reason it did not work was the so-called terrorist were so inept that they parked the truck in the wrong place & when it went off, it did not damage the core columns of the WTC. This all came out in court, but America was asleep at the switch as usual, like you.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Nanashi Nanashi, thank you. Amy is so naive I wonder how she is able to negotiate an international airport in order to check her bags, much less safely board an airplane.

        • Amy Lambert

          you still haven’t told us how often you have flown in the last ten years and why; by the way, YOU supply your source; don’t send the rest of us on your wild goose chases.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          I guess I will have to instruct you in math too since I gave you enough info to figure it out yourself. I haven’t wasted money on flying since 8/2008. So that would be 5yrs & 8months times 52wks (a conservative figure for me) = amount of flights in last ten years.
          (5×12) = 60 + (8×4) = 32 
          60 + 32 = 92 flights over the last 10 yrs
           
          I refuse to waste my time showing you how to use google because we all know you have no intention of learning anything in order to have more informed dialog about the seriousness of what we are discussing.

        • Amy Lambert

          Have to admit, Former FBI Chief, Ted Gunderson, discusses terror attacks and who is behind them, and he is a pretty impressive source.

        • Amy Lambert

          On the other hand, I sound a bit dopy, accepting a former FBI’s word as a good source against other FBI agents who are bad actors. Are we supposed to trust the FBI or not? I’m very confused about your position.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah I didn’t know we were talking about saving money; I thought –silly me–we were talking about how recently and how frequently, we may have had personal experience passing through TSA checkpoints. It would appear I have had more frequent and more recent experiences than you, although also perhaps less unhappy experiences.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          You can’t have it both ways, you specified the last 10 yrs & that is what gave you. According to your figures, you said you flew 40 times over 10 yrs for the purpose of going on vacation. That would mean, by your own admission (since I have flown at least 92 times for business reasons over the same time period) that I have over double the flights you have during the last 10 yrs. I have never been groped, I only had to travel through the metal detectors, so I can honestly say the only inconvenience I have ever suffered at the hands of the airlines over a twenty yr period was the loss of luggage when I flew to Seattle, WA. Since I spent 2 days of downtime sightseeing & eating seafood; I don’t think it hurt me too badly so I almost feel guilty reporting it…

        • Amy Lambert

          Aha. I thought you were one of those who will never fly again and gave it up a long time ago. So with all your experience flying you have never been groped  because you prefer the scanners. So what’s your point then? That the TSA is evil and wants to train us all to be subservient to authority and that is the main reason it was established in the first place?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          You are right that I will never fly commercial again until the TSA has been disbanded because I refuse to compromise on civil liberties that are mine by natural law. That would not stop me from chartering a private flight if the need or desire to go somewhere fast arose. 
          As a side note, you must be very young if you think 4 yrs is a long time, because it isn’t. My point is, you do not have enough experience or knowledge of history to get my points.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LGreen311 To catch someone that is a threat to America, is only the excuse they give for the personal assaults used on Americans who want or need to fly. Boycott for a week, don’t use one out their planes for a week. If a terrorist should try to fly he will know exactly how to get around the TSA. They are even more devious than the TSA

      • Amy Lambert

        “If a terrorist should try to fly he will know exactly how to get around the TSA. They are even more devious than the TSA”
         
        Right you are, Evermyrtle. We are so lucky they haven’t tried to fly yet. God’s will.

    • Amy Lambert

      Please tell us how many were involved in these thefts out of the entire TSA employee roster. I’m curious what hte percentage is and if it differs from the usual employee theft in retail, for example. Are we all going to stop shopping now?

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert 
        Whatever the percentage is would be irrelevant at this point for me, because after participating in more than 200 commercial flights over a 20 yr period leading up to the fall of 2008, I never lost one thing to airline personnel theft, & I checked baggage on every single flight.

  • Haile Stressor

    Amy,
    Thank you for calling my comment an intelligent argument. It seems obvious to me that no problem can be solved unless it is, first, defined. This Administration seems virtually incapable of saying the word terrorism in reference to anything but overseas events. The Fort Hood shooter (a psychiatrist!) is dismissed as a solitary nutcase, even though he shouted “Allah Akbar,” the proper Muslim incantation when killing infidels, as he gunned down his victims. Political correctness may yet be the death of us; To refuse to identify your enemy is tantamount to donning blinders when entering the jungle.

    • Amy Lambert

      Haile, I think you have added to your “intelligent comments” collection! “This Administration seems virtually incapable of saying the word terrorism in reference to anything but overseas events.” If I am not mistaken, this Administration seems virtually incaable of saying the word “terroristm” in reference to anything, period!  And the reason is that Obama is a globalist and a multiculturalist; to call someone a terrorist is to look at the situation from the perspective of those who are terror’s victims; he prefers to also see the world from the perspective of the terrorists and to sympathize with that view. In my view, this misguided Presidential attutude and approach to foreign affairs  is precisely what underlies the terrible, but completely avoidable, tragedy in Benghazi.

      • Haile Stressor

        @Amy Lambert 
        Amy,
        In my view he is far worse. I have an eight-year-old granddaughter who in four years, under Obamacare,  will become the target of its “free sterilization” provision. I know it sounds bizarre, but on the HHS site and various Catholic sites you will find proof that from the age of 12  girls will be offered “free” sterilization without parental approval. For boys the starting age is 13. As no surgeon with an ounce of conscience will be willing to butcher such children, the Administration is planning Federal sterilization centers, probably with the amenities of a day spa to lure its victims. Those centers will have high security to keep out parents desperately trying to save their kids from destroying their future.
        Imagine if your kids respond to a parental reprimand with an “I’ll fix you!,” and rush out only to return days later with a surgical scar! Obama is not only incompetent, he hates America and is doing all he can to wreck it socially and economically.
        To return to the Benghazi and Cairo attacks, he cares nothing for the Marines who were butchered, guarding the embassies with rifles that they were refused permission to load!
        G-D help us all if he is re-elected.

        • Amy Lambert

          please provide a quick reference URL; this i gotta see.
           
          Fox news confirmed five minutes ago that three requests for backup help during the benghazi attack on 9/11 went unheeded by our Obama government. The father of the Navy Seal who had vowed to remain silent previously finally spoke out. He said our forces were right there and able to assist and did nothing if I understood him correctly. This suggests to me that the policy of this administration is to bend to the will of the Muslims in these countries who will not allow American firepower in Muslim lands. So Obama sacrificed his ambassador and three other Americans, including a Navy seal, to this woebegotten idea that if only we go along with the demands of an enemy culture, religion and political system, we will gain their trust. He has to go YESTERDAY.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          What this implies to us who understand how the US govt uses staged events in order to manipulate public opinion in the direction they want to move the country, is that there is some hidden agenda as to why this plan was hatched in the first place. I believe there are two possible scenarios to consider. 
          1. The Obama Administration set up our Ambassador to be kidnapped & later rescued so Obama could be seen as the savior since his advisers know he is in deep trouble as far as being elected for a 2nd term. If this is true, that means they did not anticipate the unarmed Seals coming to the rescue of the Ambassador, which angered the fake terrorist, who probably thought they had been double-crossed, in what should have been an easy kidnapping. This then resulted in the death of the 4 American in retaliation for what they perceived as a set-up. 
          2. The Obama Administration was wanting to use this event as an excuse to officially enter the fray in Syria (& get Obama elected) with the blessings of the American people & they somehow managed to lose control of the narrative. This could indicate that Obama’s handlers are through with him & are throwing their full support behind Romney because Obama has lost his usefulness in advancing the Globalist NWO agenda.

        • Amy Lambert

          Now that I understand where you are all coming from, I see how you are thinking. I come at it from a different perspective , which of course will not surprise you. I have been watching the Middle East unravel under Obama’s leadership not with astonishment, but still with amazement at how many Americans seem to approve of his foreign policy philosophy and actions. .
           
          These folks do not always look out at the world from the perspective of an American; they look back at America from the perspective of various parts of the world. They truly believe in the goodness of many peoples and nations that others do not see that way, and they close their eyes to clear signs that many others can see that Islamist radicals see the world in terms of supporters of Islam and everyone else. The President just doesn’t get that, as many European nations still don’t. They all think that everyone can play nicely in the sand box if only the bully America would get out of the way. That is why they buy into nuclear parity, for example.
           
          So my take on this so far and from other things i have heard on tv and read (for example that our guards posted at these embassies are not allowed to carry loaded weapons–I don’t know if this is really true, but I believe it is possible)  is that this administration was so afraid of messing up its relationship with the new revolutionaries now in charge that they would not put boots on the ground, even to save the ambassador.
           
          Now I give them this: it would appear to be the case that Al Qaeda militias in the region were responsible for the attack, and it would appear to be the case that this Administration understands that if Al Qaeda were to gain control of the government of Libya and all the oil wealth attendant upon that control, the West would be in even more serious trouble. Obama sees the current “regime” in Libya as his ally against the Al Qaeda militias. [the enemy of my enemy is my friend].And he is loathe to upset the Muslims in charge by putting American boots on the ground, as he may believe that would give the Al Qaeda forces the local  support they require from undecided Muslims who will easily turn to Islam against the Infidel Americans.
           
          That is a believable scenario to me. I don’t think it excuses his inaction, but it would be a rational explanation of an irrational, misguided total Middle East policy.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert Well, you seem to be making a small step… but..
           
          You seem to think that bammie did not know that the moslem brudderhood was a very strong suppoter of al-queerduh, hamas, hezbollah, and all the other moslem hate groups around the world.
           
          Everybody else knew it, even Bush, the younger.  That is why mubarak and quadaffi were still in power. THEY kept the radicals under control.
           
          bammie encouraged the radicals to overthrow those dictators in favor of a radical “HATE AMERICA” group.
           
          Think it was an accident?

  • A lady in Lilburn

    Good luck with that.  It’s taken almost 250 years for society to get this apathetic and for those in power to get this perverse.  The more we take God and spirituality out of governance the more derelict all of society, including those in power, get.  Finding ‘potential  jurors’ is like saying let’s find ‘some people’.  We’re nearly ALL POTENTIAL jurors.  Good thoughts but without a serious wake up call that threatens the existence of everyone in the country, it’s not going to happen.

  • http://Google Ken 65

    AMEN==Open carrying and PROFILING!

    • http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com/ csinate

      @Ken 65 check my blog under csinate.  Are you a Patriot?  If yes, why not become a Warrior.   http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

    • Amy Lambert

      Please outline for us the legal arguments that have been effective in preventing profiling.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert 
        This is a thread, therefore this is not the proper forum for a post graduate thesis on profiling. Suffice it to say at this point, all arguments have been successful.

      • Commie Hunter

        @Amy Lambert I don’t know the “legal” arguments against profiling, or if there even are any legal ones.  I think the liberals socialital arguments (make everybody feel good about themselves arguments) against “profiling” is due to political correctness. We can’t hurt the terrorists wittle feelings by singleing them out & associating male muslum extremists between the ages of 18 & 40 with terrorism, even though all attacks from around 1970 untill recently have been carried out by male muslum extremists between the ages of 18 & 40. Hmmm? Why would liberals want to use profiling when it might actually work. They never want to do anything that actually works.
         
        side bar: It’s only been more recently that muslum women have been taking part in suicide bombings/attacks. Interesting to note that it’s also been more recently that muslum women have pretty much been given a pass by TSA. What I see is when there’s a new trend in the subject terrorists, there’s a new trend on who the TSA gives a free pass to. You see the irony here?

  • http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    Why are you complaining and at the same time refuse to learn how to avoid unlawful detention and conviction?   All we have to do is study Jury Nullification and no innocent person will ever be convicted.  If enough “Not Guilty” verdicts are issued then the government will stop making arrest and prosecute for these type of actions by citizens.  When you are arrested for trying to uphold your rights don’t complain as you didn’t do anything for the others so why should we do anything for you.  http://www.fija.org is where to go to study about Jury Nullification, the most powerful tool we have against an out-of-control government..  Even if, out of curiosity, you go to http://www.fija.org you will still be to cowardly to mention it to your friends and family, email the info to your email list and post it on your Facebook and Twitter pages.  Doesn’t it hurt so bad deep down inside of you to be so cowardly that you’re afraid to even talk face to face about freedom but can only post anonymously?  While you’re at it why not get off your knees and check to see if you qualify to become a Warrior.  http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    This entire discussion is not about the TSA, but the failure of the government to place the Constitution front and center in every congressmans office, every office in the executive branch and in front of every supreme court justice.
     
    The part about ”
    Amendment II
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
     
    Should be DEMANDED by the American people.
     
    Had AMERICANS been allowed to arm themselves as a normal everyday habit, there would have been no 9/11.
     
    The terrorists would have jumped up and began their chanting, a half dozen or so ARMED CITIZENS would have responded with… BANG   BANG   BANG until there were no more terrorist to remove from society.
     
    END OF STORY!

    • Amy Lambert

      @GrumpyOldGoat Right. Just a bunch of holes in a Boeing 747.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  @GrumpyOldGoat 
        I guess you didn’t know that they have been making fragmenting pistol bullets that are devastating on flesh but will not penetrate hard surfaces for years. The Glasor-type safety slug is a prime example; they are made for up close defense work & to not penetrate soft walls such as sheet-rock so people in other rooms will not be injured.

        • Amy Lambert

          You are absolutely right; I did not know that, and I’m really, really glad to hear it! I still believe, however, that we are better off keeping guns off airplanes than allowing everyone and his uncle to bring them onboard. We don’t need a shootout on an airliner, as it could end up between two passengers or a passenger and a stewardess who tells them they can’ t smoke in the lavatory or they’ve had a bit too much or they must turn off their device, etc.
          There’s not many places where the innocent passengers could hide. Now I own more than one gun and I’m prepared to use it to defend myself in the event of an intruder coming into my home; but that doesn’t mean I want to fly on an airliner where everyone and anyone can take a gun on board.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          The problem with your plan is that it is an infringement upon the 2nd Amendment. Plus, I’ll take my chances on being shot by a law-abiding citizen any day over being executed or flown into a building by a homicidal terrorist.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert paid drone

      • Commie Hunter

        @Amy Lambert  It’s been proven that 747s’ & all others can fly quite well even full of holes. The crap you see from Hollyweird where the whole plane rips apart from a single small hole is total crap & only done in films for effect to try and amaze their ignorant audiences

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert No sugar, just a bunch of dead terrorists.
         
        There would not be over 3000 dead on American Soil IF the Citizens all stand up and demand no more stupid gun control laws.
         
        Care to tell us what the ‘response time’ was when law enforcement was notified that terrorists had hijacked 4 airliners on the morning of September 11, 2001?
         
        Which would have been more effective, waiting for the cops, or waiting for a 357 slug from a CITIZENS RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS to defend themselves from “enemies, both foreign and domestic”?
         
        Your position that the government is infallible and the only way to go gets people killed everyday, but you don’t care.
        To you, the government is the nanny and the nanny must be obeyed.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat 
          “Your position that the government is infallible [uh, where did I ever say that?] and the only way to go gets people killed everyday [?], but you don’t care.[?]
          To you, the government is the nanny and the nanny must be obeyed.”[?]
           
          Let’s just say I’m not an anarchist.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert And neither are we.
           
          WE believe in the Constitution.
           
          And we also believe in the RULE OF LAW.
           
          So… your point would be?
           
          Now, about the ‘response time’ on September 11, 2001?
           
          There is a question on the table that you are not answering…. Why is that?

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat I’m not saying that guns would not be useful in the event of of a terror attack on board an airliner; I’m saying that there are other attacks that could take place because everyone bringing a gun onboard may not be as responsible as grumpy old goats.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat You haven’t answered my question above; what have I posted that suggests I think the government is infallable? I note a lot of mental pidgeonholing here that is inappropriate thinking.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  @GrumpyOldGoat 
          Amy seems to be doing a lot of mental pigeonholing herself as well as performing mental gymnastics too, in my opinion…

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert There are over 3000 people dead on American Soil due exclusively to government infringement of the RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
           
          And YOU keep refusing to answer which is quicker, law enforcement on the ground?
           
          Or an ARMED CITIZEN, possibly more that know how to use their weapons?
           
          Your position is STUPID at best.
           
          And remember, YOUR POSITION has gotten hundreds of kids in schools shot, many killed, as well as shootings in other areas where ‘gun control’ has disarmed the Citizenry for political purposes.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @adamenochnoah  @Amy Lambert she is a paid drone.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert 
          There was a time when we trusted GOD to take care of these things with a little common sense that HE gave us and it worked. Now we have become so evil and self serving that He has left it up keeping control, up to us and we are making such a mess out of it. We think that we must sexually molest every person that boards  a plane just to keep it safe.His WORD says that my body is HIS temple and if I do anything to abuse it is a sin. TSA molestation is causing uncountable sins besides all of our other  sins against HIM. Even with our abuse of HIS rights HIS eye is on every plane that goes into the air. SOME OF THEM DON’T MAKE  AND WE WONDER WHY., HE DID NOT DO SOMETHING TO SAVE IT. HE does have HIS reasons and HE does not have to explain them to us.This is about the only time we even think of HIM, asking “why didn’t HE do something”  This even brings the unbelievers alive with questions. It to me is amazing just how quick they can say,”If there is a GOD where was HE?”. We forget HE left when we tried to kick HIM out…

        • Evermyrtle

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Amy Lambert “The Right” has forsaken GOD also but the Left is even more responsible for the horrors that are going on in the world, today. Why would GOD bless a country,  the Right and the Left who  elect an anti-GOD man who was not even born in the USA  which makes him an illegal man as  president of the country. I don’t  really think GOD cares where he was born but the fact that he is a liberal anti-GOD, anti-CHRIST person. HE has made legal some the most abominable laws imaginable, he supports the murder of millions of helpless babies forgetting, not caring about “Thou shall not kill!”   I fully believe America will be punished for this evil, just when I have not a clue. WE MUST REPENT IF WE EXPECT HIS HELP!!

  • AuricMaston

    “For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.”

    • adamenochnoah

      @AuricMaston 
      The final warning from JFK.

      • Amy Lambert

        he was talking about the USSR, Adametc., not the US government

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Wrong again. Not once did I say that he was talking about the US Govt. He was referring to the financial interest that are controlling the world.

        • Amy Lambert

          Ah. Sure, Adametc.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Sorry Amy, this is not rocket science. All I am saying is common knowlege to those of us who have thoroughly studied the issue, unlike you.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Amy Lambert The USSR, The United Nations, the Bilderbergs, the communist movement as a whole, the US government, the liberal progressive movement, the NWO, OWG,…. It can apply to all of them if you read it carefully & think about all of these organizations.

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah wasn’t that Ike?

        • Evermyrtle

          @Commie Hunter  @Amy Lambert  The result of this will be The One World Government, One World Church, which mean we  could will be jail or worse for Christians, The church will not be Christina bur Chrislam a combination of Christian and Islam, with a Bible on one side of the pulpit and teh Koran on the other side..We already have many of these Churches in the USA it another abomination of GOD. HE will not stand for it

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Nope. It was JFK. You really ought to learn how to use a search engine to do your own research…

        • Amy Lambert

          The result of what exactly?

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah I meant the intent, not the quotation, and keep your sarcasm in your pockets with your brains, Adametc. I don’t appeciate your tone.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah oooohhh the paid drone understands snarkey….

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          I see, you expect me to be a mind reader too. Now I know you are female…

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert I am referring to out illegal president He is a leader in the One World Government movement, he is a Muslim Islam which is working against JESUS CHRIST, at top speed, he is for the evil Crislim religion, he thinks that will suck Christians into this abomination of GOD like flies. Everything he is doing i s for the advantage of the One World Government.. We are very close to the becoming the One World Union/Government. Kissinger has said that Obama will be a great leader of this abomination NWG

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah  @Amy Lambert 
          Amy & Adam, are you two married? You fight like you are ha ha ha

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah Heavens look who is calling others sarcastic.  adamenochnoah, you should arm wrestle Lambert for the victory on sarcasm.

    • Evermyrtle

      @AuricMaston There is no end in intimidation, threats and ridiculous from the liberal anti-GOD who are fighting to overcome all of the influence of GOD and HIS people. WE must stand strong for HIM, we cannot bow before them.

      • Amy Lambert

        If you are againsa the TSA, which works to keep terror from our airliners, then you must be talking about the God who sent messages to his messenger in Medina.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert Do you know of one terrorist that they have caught trying to board  a plane?? I have not heard of it if they have, but they have pawed (that is what they called the feeling all over the body (sex play) in my day) pawed over millions of people, AND  MISS/MRS/MS Lambert,  they ain’t gonna do it to me. I would get my gun and ammunition and bicycle  take off across the country rather   than have that happen to me. Allow it to happen to my little child?? Not in this lifetime.
           
          There have been many instances of violations by different TSA workers, brought out in public, not  to say of how many that never got reported.
           
          By the way when I refer to GOD, I mean the real GOD the ONE who created the entire universe and everything in it, you and me.
           
          Medina? Where is that????

        • Amy Lambert

          Ever had a colonoscopy, Evermyrtle?

        • Amy Lambert

          @Evermyrtle 
          The Arabic word madinah simply means “city.” Before the advent of Islam, the city was known as Yathrib but was personally renamed by Muhammad.
          It is the second holiest city in Islam after Mecca and the burial place of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. Medina is critically significant in Islamic History for being where Muhammad’s final religious base was established after the Hijrah and where he died in 632 AD/11 AH. Medina was the power base of Islam in its first century, being where the early Muslim community (ummah) developed under the Prophet’s leadership, then under the leadership of the first four caliphs of Islam: Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman and Ali.
          In fact, Year 1 of the Islamic calendar is based on the year of the emigration (or Hijra (هِجْرَة)) of Muhammad and his original followers (Muhajirun) from Mecca to the city of Medina in 622 AD/1 AH.
          Medina is home to the three oldest mosques in Islam, namely Al-Masjid an-Nabawi (The Prophet’s Mosque), Masjid Quba’ or Quba Mosque (the first mosque in Islam’s history),[1] and Masjid al-Qiblatain (The Mosque of the Two Qiblahs – the mosque where the direction of Muslim prayer, or qiblah, was switched from Jerusalem to Mecca).
          Similarly to Mecca, entrance to the sacred core of Medina (but not the entire city) is restricted to Muslims only; non-Muslims are permitted neither to enter nor cross through the city center.[2][3][4]
          Muslims believe that the final chapters (surahs) of the Qur’an chronologically were revealed to the Prophet in Medina and are called Medinan surahs in contrast to earlier Meccan surahs.[5][6] wikipedia

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert Four of the, two of them, even before they ever gave your anything for discomfort. I also had two babies!! Have you ever had one Amy Lambert?? Anyhow, why do you want to know??

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert I did not proof read, I had four of them, before they gave  anything for discomfort.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @Evermyrtle New name in ancient Sumerian language
           
          “Prime Target”, also spelled as “flat and black”.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert  Is there any particular reason that you went to all the work in getting all of the info and taking the time and effort copy it??  i really appreciate it, but am not interested in Mecca, Medina or Islam, because I know it is all anti-GOD and anti my SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          Ad hominum attack alert! Amy is losing the argument! Danger! Danger!

        • Amy Lambert

          I hadn’t realized you were a woman until now. Hi there. I asked because i don’t see much difference between allowing a physician to conduct a gynocological exam and /or a colonoscopy and allowing a TSA agent to conduct a professional pat-down. One could look upon either medical exam as humiliating or even some sort of perversion, but we all understand that this is necessary and we understand that the doctor is there to help us and not for the purpose of humiliating us or titillating him or herself. Similarly, TSA agents are there for those who reject scanners.( I reject them because of potential radiation. )  I believe the TSA is there to help me survive a flight intact, just as the doctor is there to help with a birth or to prevent colon cancer.

        • Amy Lambert

          Sure there is a particular reason. You inquired. I thought you might like to know. It wasn’t all that work; it took about five seconds to find it and another 2 to copy it and another 4 seconds to paste.

        • Amy Lambert

          @Evermyrtle proof read? did  I miss something?

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah which argument might that be?

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert All of them…

        • Amy Lambert

          @Evermyrtle   You wrote this:  “WE must stand strong for HIM, we cannot bow before them.” You and I have different views on the efficacy of the TSA. My view is that they are an indispensible part of the fight against terror that emanates from the Islamist radicals,and that if you believe we should do away with the TSA , the God you are helping is not your own, but theirs.

        • Amomthatcares

          Amy the TSA have so little to do with your safety on a plane. The 9 -11 hijackers and attempted shoe bomber all cleared security. If something were to happen it is so much more important to have a strong and quick thinking crew. They as well as the other pax will save u before the TSA down at the checkpoint. Who are still missing guns, knives, and scissors in carryon luggage. I boarded a commercial flight from Ancorage to Kenai AK and in Costa Rica and didn’t have to go through security at all. It didn’t scare me at all and I would do it again anywhere.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert paid drone….

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @Evermyrtle paid drone

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @Evermyrtle paid drone

        • Amy Lambert

          @adamenochnoah Prove it.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat paid grump.

        • Amy Lambert

          If a bomb gets through, how on earth will the crew know ? Of course the system isn’t perfect, but that is no reason in my view to make things really really easy for the enemy.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert No sweetie, I don’t get paid for making dumb people look stupid.

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert 
          That’s easy, because I said so.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert That is quite obvious, I think you missed a lot.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert I say do away with all things against America and I say  the TSA is a  people insulting a sham, do away with it. There is no body who has any respect for their body who will support it.
           
          I Cor 3: 16-17
          16. Know you not that you are the temple of GOD, and that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwells in you??
          17. If any man defile the temple of GOD, him shall GOD destroy; for the temple of GOD is holy which temple you are.
           
          I Cor 6 19-20
          19. What? Know you that your body is the temple of the HOLY GHOST which is in you, which you have of GOD, and you are not your own.
          20. For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify GOD in your body, and in your spirit, which are GOD’S
           
          II Cor 6: 16  And what agreement has the temple of GOD with idols: for you are the temple of the LIVING GOD; as GOD has said, I will dwell in them and walk in them; and I will be their GOD and they shall be my people.
           
          This leads me to think that your body is to be respected and not used for an evil purpose.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert You ask so many questions and expect an answer, why do you not answer questions. I have answered your questions and expected an answer to question I asked with my answers. Lo and behold no answers to my questions!!Were thy too hard to answer??just asking!!!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert 
          When I wrote that I was referring stand strong for your faith in GOD. Do Not allow anyone to sway you in your faith and in your beliefs. . I was not talking about terrorism or TSA agents. I feels sure that you were very aware of that,  and as usual you were twisting the facts around so  that you might confuse someone. When it comes to my GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST  I will be extremely hard to confuse.. I do not depend on TSA agents or the anti-GOD liberals, to protect the country, GOD does that or HE has been protecting us for about 500 years  and HE never needed any help. I think  now since we have turned against  HIM in so many ways including TSA agents and all of it, that HE may back off and let the liberal anti-GOD  leaders o f the USA to defend us and the country, themselves He does say that he will not  contend with us forever and then HE will walk off for a time, until HE decides the world has done enough damage to HIS universe and put a stop to it. HE is going to do that you know. If you have  Bible I have some marvelous scriptures about the world in the last days that you may like to read and to understand what is going on in HIS universe, right now, which portrays HIS soon coming back for HIS own faithful people.
           
          We the people of the world, are each and every one sinners. The difference in HIS people and the world is that we recognize GOD AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN AS THE OWNERS OF THE UNIVERSE. We accept JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR and repent when we break any of HIS laws.  which are basically the ten commandments. Of course we find in Matt.22: 36-40 Two commandments which can wrap all ten into the twocommandmenta
           
          36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
          37. JESUS said unto him, “Thou shall love the LORD thy GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
          38. This is the first and great commandment.
          39. And the second is like unto it.Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself,
          40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
           
           
          .

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert I am sorry that I did not jump to the answer, I have been off of the internet , until a little while ago. now. I appreciate your patience and apologize. Just remember if I do not answer a question, that I may be obligated to answer, is because I do not know about it. These blogs are vast and I am not even able to run by them in a day because there are times that I am obligated in some other place.

  • Evermyrtle

    This is another evil that has come to out country through this administration, that is evil but is called good.. What the good of it has not been discovered as far as I know.  I believe that “We Th People should boycott for a week and see if the helps, if nothing more it would put the”TSA” people our of work. This is another atrocity against GOD’ and his people. HIS WORD is filled with warnings against the evil that man comes up with and practices. We, as Christians, must continue to strive to follow HIM in spite of being surrounded with these evils and end up as one of the ones chosen by HIM.
     
     
    Isaiah 5:15-23
    15. The mean man shall be brought down and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled :
    16.But the  LORD OF HOSTS shall be exalted in judgment, and GOD that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.
    17.Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
    18. Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords fo vanity and sin as it were a cart rope;
    19.They say, Let him make sped and hasten his work, that we may see it; and et the counsel of th HOLYONE of Israel draw nigh and come, that we myn know it!
    20. Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil. that put darkness for light,; and light for darkness: that put bitter foe sweet and sweet for bitter.
    21. Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
    22. Woe unto them that re mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink;
    23.Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him
    24. Therefore as the fire devours the stubble, and the flame consumes the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD OF HOSTS, and despised the WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.
    25. Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against HIS people, an HE has stretched forth HIS hand against them, and has smitten them, and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets, for all this HIS anger is not turned away, bu t HIS hand is stretched out stil

  • prbrown60

    We need first to remember the reason that the head of Homeland Security Installed the TSA in airports was because of the thwarted underwear bomber and the shoe bomber, both in Dec 2009. But both of these flights originated overseas, not here in the US.  In fact no terrorists have been caught in our airports by the TSA since its installation in early 2010.  Second, when Janet Napitalano, first began installing these TSA screeners in airports, the governor and attorney general of Texas, from which I live, both threatened prison and a hefty fine for these federal agents if they tried this in our state. So what was her response?  She would declare Texas a “no-fly zone” and would personally destroy the Texas economy as a form of blackmail and extortion if our state did not cowtow to or bow down to the mandates of the socialist government.  You get that, she personally threatened to destroy the State of Texas if the State of Texas did not bow to her wishes and demands. That is why have no use for her and tyrannical ways.  What irks me even more, since I am on the issue of  terrorism, I do believe that the TSA may have stopped terrorists by way of air,  the terrorists find other ways.  How many plots have been stopped on American soil due to the efforts of the FBI and Homeland Security?  More than I can remember.  How? By surveilling Muslims and mosques.  So these muslims and their sympathizers are now suing our own government  to stop surveiling them and they are winning. We cannot afford to stop these surveilences, since this is where the foiled terrorist plots are being stopped, not by harrassing, groping, and humiliating our elderly, disabled, and children in airports.

    • Amy Lambert

      Lots of good points, prbrown60.  First you say that in fact no terrorists have been caught in our airports by the TSA since its istallation in early 2010 and later you say that you do believe that the TSA “may have stopped terrorists by way of air. . .”
       
      I agree; that there are TSA agents in the airports making it very difficult for would-be terrorists to escape detection, detention, and serious jail time is precisely what makes TSA effective.
       
      The fact that it is effective and that there are other ways the terrorists will find does not argue (as some here have) that we should simply give up the TSA.  Surveillance does indeed work.
       
      When you conclude, however, that “we cannot afford to stop these surveilences, since this is where the foiled terrorist plots are being stopped, not by harrassing, groping and humiliating our rlderly, disabled, and children in airports,” you contradict your earlier conclusions. It is precisely the scans and the pat-downs that have stopped the terrorists in airports to date; our elderly, disabled and children may occasionally be humiliated; that is preferable to being blown up.
       
      We are, as you clearly realize, at war. War requires sacrifices by the public if it is to be won. We have not been asked to engage in the same sacrifices that the public made during WWII; there is no rationing, for example, of foods, metal products, hylon products and gas. All we are asked to do, when you think about it, is say something if you see something and allow yourself to be subjected to a little inconvenience and sometimes humiliation at the airports because this is the best way we have put in place, to date, to continue foiling airline terror plots.

    • Amy Lambert

      @prbrown60 “But both of these flights originated overseas, not here in the US.” But hasn’t the US subsequently insisted upon acceptable levels of security checks abroad for international flights to obtain landing rights here? I’m fairly certain I read that, pr .

  • Megamom
    • Amy Lambert

      @Megamom Do you think he is potential presidential material?

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  Since West voted for the NDAA, & when his constituents took him to task on it, he launched into a rant against them & cut them off & left the town-hall meeting, so my opinion is no, he is not presidential material.

  • DianePenn

    How come the Israeli’s can use the quite effective profiling method on their planes and have had no terrorists on planes coming in and going out of Israel? Oh forgot, here in the United States someone wearing a Burka might be offended for having to show who might be hiding behind that cover, could even be a man. The only thing those machines so far have discovered are some transvestites taking a flight. Or maybe they were hoping for a pat-down. LOL

  • adamenochnoah

    Many of you may not know that Michael Chertoff was the second United States secretary of homeland security under President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act. He previously served as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, as a federal prosecutor, and as Assistant U.S. Attorney General. He succeeded Tom Ridge as United States secretary of homeland security on February 15, 2005. When he left his appointed position over DHS, his company is the one that got the govt contract to make the naked body scanners. Here we see the revolving door between Govt employees & big money being delivered to private industry by these same people.

  • Nonie2U

    Several weeks ago I took a flight and in line with me were four Muslim Burqa dressed women, who simply were allowed to go through a dif line, had their bags screened and that’s it, while the rest of us got nuked and molested.  I think I will be buying a costume and that is what I will be wearing when I have to fly.  Imagine if most of us go to the airport dressed like that – there could be many TSA jobs lost for having nothing to do.

    • Amy Lambert

      Get Obama out of office and this charade will end

  • Biggiewmn

    I referred to 99% of the TSA  as morons, not just this particular molester.

    • WASP

      @Biggiewmn The American people need to boycott all domestic flights by all American airlines until the TSA can be defunded and disbanded.

    • Amy Lambert

      @Biggiewmn Really? Based upon what, precisely?

  • adamenochnoah

    To those of you reading my comments, I would like to make it very clear that I am not telling anyone who they should vote for. With that said, I am a lifelong Republican & I am very unhappy with the fact that after 36 yrs of voting GOP, our country is in the worse mess since the civil war under the idiot Lincoln. Since Lincoln is Obama’s favorite president, you now know how I feel about the both of them. I fully understand that for many of you, Obama is the only reason or the main reason for voting Romney. I feel that way too, but Obama is an incompetent narcissus that will do anything his handlers tell him to do in order to stay in power, & that makes him a very dangerous man to hold the highest office in the land. I do support Gov Gary Johnson’s fiscal policy whole-heartily, but I am adamantly opposed to two of his social policies: Gay special rights & abortion. However, it is important to remind ourselves, that in actual practice, neither R’s or D’s have done diddly to stop either one, so that is an issue for 2016. In my state of Georgia, Romney has both the popular vote & the electoral college totally in his hip pocket. Obama, for all practical purposes is not even on the ballot here. The Georgia GOP controlled govt were bought off by Obama & overruled a citizen effort through the court system & the Secretary of State to remove Obama from the ballot. Being a politically active Tea Party member; seeing first hand the corruption in state politics by both parties, knowing Romney is safe here, I cast a protest vote for Gary Johnson. If voting against Obama is your only issue, I would not advise that in a swing state or in a state where the race is close. Some of you on the right will not vote for Romney or Obama for any reason, so a vote for Gov Johnson is the best bang for your buck if you are fed up (like me) with the two-party dictatorship. A write in vote or staying home is a missed opportunity to tell career politicians that business as usual will no longer be tolerated. The only wasted vote is one that does count in some meaningful way for the good of the country.

  • adamenochnoah

    To those of you reading my comments, I would like to make it very clear that I am not telling anyone who they should vote for. With that said, I am a lifelong Republican & I am very unhappy with the fact that after 36 yrs of voting GOP, our country is in the worse mess since the civil war under the idiot Lincoln. Since Lincoln is Obama’s favorite president, you now know how I feel about the both of them. I fully understand that for many of you, Obama is the only reason or the main reason for voting Romney. I feel that way too, but Obama is an incompetent narcissus that will do anything his handlers tell him to do in order to stay in power, & that makes him a very dangerous man to hold the highest office in the land. I do support Gov Gary Johnson’s fiscal policy whole-heartily, but I am adamantly opposed to two of his social policies: Gay special rights & abortion. However, it is important to remind ourselves, that in actual practice, neither R’s or D’s have done diddly to stop either one, so that is an issue for 2016. In my state of Georgia, Romney has both the popular vote & the electoral college totally in his hip pocket. Obama, for all practical purposes is not even on the ballot here. The Georgia GOP controlled govt were bought off by Obama & overruled a citizen effort through the court system & the Secretary of State to remove Obama from the ballot. Being a politically active Tea Party member; seeing first hand the corruption in state politics by both parties, knowing Romney is safe here, I cast a protest vote for Gary Johnson. If voting against Obama is your only issue, I would not advise that in a swing state or in a state where the race is close. Some of you on the right will not vote for Romney or Obama for any reason, so a vote for Gov Johnson is the best bang for your buck if you are fed up (like me) with the two-party dictatorship. A write in vote or staying home is a missed opportunity to tell career politicians that business as usual will no longer be tolerated. The only wasted vote is one that does not count in some meaningful way for the good of the country.

    • DianePenn

      @adamenochnoah
       Sorry Adam, but what you are saying to those on the fence who know themselves to be Constitutionalists and not happy with either the D or the R is to vote for Johnson who cannot win.
      This is not the time to be voting for a third party candidate….IT IS THE TIME TO REMOVE FROM OFFICE THE SOCIALIST WHO NOW OCCUPIES THE WHITE HOUSE.
      There will be NO third, fourth or any parties left to fight off the leftists if Obama gets re-elected and worse still if re-elected because some hate the idea of Romney being the one they must vote for. My choice would have been other than him but now I have to stand for anyone who can depose Obama and his socialist cohorts now in power.

      • adamenochnoah

        @DianePenn 
        That was also the claim against Clinton, but somehow America survived his Presidency too, didn’t we? Lincoln is by far the worst president we have ever had & the Civil War is the worst time period of our history.

        • DianePenn

          @adamenochnoah
           We survived Clinton? Please write another fable for I see that Clinton not only ignored the opportunity to kill Bin Laden but his most assumed claim of being the nations Commander in Chief was firing a missile at an aspirin factory. His actions in default led to what later became the rise of Islamist radicalism.
          And during the Clinton era we had a congress that was a stalwart against his many socialist programs; unlike Obama who for the first two years had not only a senate but a congress fully in the democrat camp – in essence a dictatorship.
          And know that Clinton was ‘protected’ by a Republican Congress that stopped the insane ideas of the socialist movement at the time which later re-surged during the Obama power grab. Or might you have forgotten Hillary’s attempt at socialized medicine during Bill’s term. It was the Republican Congress that initiated budget cuts, not Clinton.
          And I do wonder if we REALLY did survive Lincoln’s presidency since he undermined the constitution as it was understood by those who signed onto its protections and stimuli in regard to states rights. Lincoln being the first of many progressives – (Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Roosevelt, Carter, to name a few), seems to have been the father – not of a nation such as George Washington was – but instead being the father of the embryonic change of our constitutional foundation.

        • adamenochnoah

          @DianePenn 
          You just want to argue don’t you? I wasted my vote twice on two progressive Republicans against Clinton that the RNC crammed down our throats & the rest of the GOP parroted that a vote for anybody but Bush Sr & Dole was a vote for Clinton. We would have all been better off back then voting for Perot, & we have been paying ever since.

        • Commie Hunter

          @adamenochnoah  Adam, since you agree that Obama is a very dangerous man & needs to be removed from the presidency, PLEASE STOP telling people to vote for Gary Johnson & trying to split the vote. There are a lot of people on here from swing states that you mentioned, & also from “undecided states” & giving them the idea that Gary Johnson can win might just convince them to waste their vote on him. I’m from an undecided state that Obama easily won in ’08, & he never really advertised here in 2008. Now he’s so afraid  of losing here that he’s running ads 3 or 4 per hour. He might just lose here & that’s what we’re hopeing for, & I don’t want anybody from my state, any other undecided state, or any swing state that’s on this site reading what you say about voting for Gary Johnson because some of them might just think that you have some extraodinary math skills & think that he could actually win & they’ll waste their vote on him even though (HE’S ONLY POLLING AT 2-3%) My state turned blue when Clinton slimed & lied his way into the presidency & have been ever since & I’M SICK OF IT, so please, no more telling people to vote for Gary Johnson or 3rd party candidates!  It doesn’t matter how old any of us are whether we’re 18 or 80, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN OUR LIFETIMES, for anybody living in this country this it it & I’m sure you know why it is. We have to get that communist socialist, Marxist out of the white house or there won’t be any turning back.

    • Commie Hunter

      @adamenochnoah Well if you do agree that Obama is a very dangerous man, then quit telling people to vote for Gary Johnson & trying to split the vote. There are a lot of people on here from swing states that you mentioned, & giving them the idea that Gary Johnson can win might just convince them to waste their vote on him. I’m from a swing state that Obama easily won in ’08, & he never really advertised here in 2008. Now he’s so afraid  of losing here that he’s running ads 3 or 4 per hour. He might just lose here & that’s what we’re hopeing for, & I don’t want anybody from my state or any other swing state that’s on this site reading what you say about voting for Gary Johnson because some of them might just think that you have some extraodinary math skills & think that he could actually win & they’ll waste their vote on him even though HE’S ONLY POLLING AT 2-3%) My state turned blue when Clinton slimed & lied his way into the presidency & have been ever since & I’M SICK OF IT, so please, no more telling people to vote for Gary Johnson or 3rd party candidates!  It doesn’t matter how old any of us are whether we’re 18 or 80, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN OUR LIFETIMES, for anybody living in this country this it it & I’m sure you know why it is. We have to get that communist socialist, Marxist out of the white house or there won’t be any turning back.

  • VeeDub

    Thank you CONgress.  YOU created this government mandated violation of the Constitution. Why? Because it isn’t politically correct to prophile arab/islamic terrorists/murderers.   You ever going to stop campaigning and amassing your fortunes long enough to fix our Nation?

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @VeeDub Sorry, but the ‘people; that caused this mess can’t even pass a budget.
       
      How about class action lawsuits against every current and past member of congress for monetary damages for the destruction they have wrought upon the TAXpayers and CITIZENS in direct violation of their OATH OF OFFICE?
       
      How about a further follow up criminal lawsuit brought BY THE PEOPLE removing the Citizenship of all those convicted and left penniless and destitute on the streets?
       
      Now THAT would be a correct punishment, and we would get a whole new breed of LEGISLATORS and no more career criminals.politicians….

    • Amy Lambert

      I agree we should profile, but I do not agree that extra attention to obvious potential terrorists should mean a free pass to everyone else. The result of that is obvious to anyone thinks about it for half a second.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert yeah, the baby in the stroller probably planned the bombing 3 years before conception.
         
        paid drone

      • DianePenn

        @Amy Lambert
         If I may make a point that so many are unaware of? There are more foreigners now getting flying lessons in the United States by private flying companies than there were during the time the 9/11 terrorists took their lessons. How much safer does that make any of us feel?

        • Commie Hunter

          @DianePenn  Hey Amy, what about the TSA GIVING A FREE PASS to these illegal aliens? 
          TSA Let 25 Illegal Aliens Attend Flight School Owned by Illegal Aliens
          By Edwin Mora  
            CNSNews.com) — The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) approved flight training for 25 illegal aliens at a Boston-area flight school that was owned by yet another illegal alien, according to the Government Accountability Office.
          The illegal-alien flight-school attendees included eight who had entered the country illegally and 17 who had overstayed their allowed period of admission into the United States, according to an audit by the GAO.
          story continues at 
          http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tsa-let-25-illegal-aliens-attend-flight-school-owned-illegal-alien

      • JohnBaker1

        @Amy Lambert So Amy, how does profiling my teenaged daughter’s pants, my wife’s bra, a baby’s diaper, or a colostomy bag help to catch a terrorist trying to get on an airplane? EVERY ONE of the “terrorists” caught in the last 11 years has been a setup by the FBI, and when they have been caught, no one gets in trouble. or a whistleblower gets fired. Meanwhile, our border with Mexico is wide open to BILLIONS of dollars of drug trade controlled by the government and the big banks, while Holder & Cie, run guns and drugs, in actuality a continuation of Iran-Contra, only this time the Democrats got caught! The whole al-Qaeda-Muslim Terrorist thing is a diversion to scare us into giving up our Liberties and Rights under the Constitution by having the TSA train us to submit to complete humiliation, making us think that such intimidation will make us safe. DHS and TSA have gone way too far, and it’s is past time for us to DEMAND that TSA agents be removed from the airports. What kind of pervert wants a job like that anyway? You and the Government need to know that we are NOT that stupid, and we are waking up to this tyranny!

  • whit1569

    You are lost in space. I am a former Regular Army Cav. living in Ga.  A vote for Johnson is a vote for Nobama.  Pull your head out of the sand. We face a change in America in which not even liberals will be able to accept.  Don’t waste your vote. Tea Party or no Party. Don’t give up the good fight.

    • adamenochnoah

      @whit1569 
      Please show us all any evidence that you have that a vote for Gary Johnson in the State of Georgia is a vote for Obama. Statements like that are definitive proof that it is you that is lost in space, not me.

      • DianePenn

        @adamenochnoah  @whit1569
         It is not so much that a vote for Johnson  –  or any other – would be a vote for Obama. It is apparent that a vote for anyone but the front runner against Obama is the only way to remove Obama. Do you get it or is it simply that the ‘Johnson supporters?’ might well be Obama advocates who would want to take away any opposition to Obama?

        • adamenochnoah

          @DianePenn  @whit1569 
          That is the case in some states, & I made that very clear in my comment, but that is absolutely not the case in the State of Georgia.

        • DianePenn

          @adamenochnoah  @whit1569
           How so?????????????? Are the Johnson supporters in Georgia any different from those in other states? Or might none of them really care about the removal of Obama and instead just care about their own interests and creating a base in elections to come?

        • adamenochnoah

          @DianePenn  @whit1569 
          Relax. Support for Ron Paul & Gary Johnson is almost nonexistent in the great State of Georgia.

      • Commie Hunter

        @adamenochnoah  Adam, I really respect you, your conservative political views, your passion for the Libertarian party & Gary Johnson & Dr. Ron Paul, but when it comes to you wanting to waste your vote on a candidate THAT CAN’T POSSIBLY WIN, that is where you lose me.   Are you still in school? If so please take some extra math classes because your math really sucks!

      • Commie Hunter

        @adamenochnoah  Adam, I really respect you, your conservative political views, your passion for the Libertarian party & Gary Johnson & Dr. Ron Paul, but when it comes to you wanting to waste your vote on a candidate THAT CAN’T POSSIBLY WIN, that is where you lose me.   Are you still in school? If so please take some extra math classes because your math really sucks!

  • tiliqtuq1

    with the newest out on how the jarrett administration watched in real time the massacre in benghazi attack and ordered our security forces in the annex to “stand down”, why should it come as a surprise, that there are tsa agents and supervisors and their superiors and peers that are pathological liars. 
    They all fall under that spell of the “messiah hussein” and are totally mesmerized by husseins satanic charm. But Jarrett is the real power in the white house, let us not forget she is an iranian!!!, like blacks stick together, right or wrong, muslims are mandated by sharia to stick together, even unto the point of death. Cause then they obtain sensual paradise.

  • Bob11348

    You don’t protect our country by gropping and viewing the private parts of young girls and granny or anyone else as far as I’m concerned . This is not the America that I grew up in !

  • Bob11348

    You don’t protect our country by gropping and viewing the private parts of young girls and granny or anyone else as far as I’m concerned . This is not the America that I grew up in !
    Amy Lambert and here Lib’s just don’t get it ! We are a country of law with a Constitution that Obama loves to trash.

    • Amy Lambert

      I don’t get your position on airline security, that’s for sure. From my perspective, folks like you are arguing precisely the way a potential terrorist would argue if he wanted to make it really, really easy to board  an airplane with a bomb.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert There seems to be a lot of things you do not understand.
         
        That is why the best job you could get is a paid drone.

        • Amy Lambert

          deal with the topic at hand; you are boring.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert We do deal with the topic currently under discussion.
           
          You do not.  When we make a point, or ask a question, you refuse to answer and dodge off on a different tangent.
           
          We have been dealing with loons fr a long time and we recognize vapid responses when we see them.
           
          Do you believe that legislated law supersedes Constitutional Law?

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat 
          You do not.  When we make a point, or ask a question, you refuse to answer and dodge off on a different tangent. example?

        • Amy Lambert

          “We have been dealing with loons fr a long time”
           
          It takes one to know one, apparently. You have probably been rude a long time too.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert Do you believe that legislated law supersedes Constitutional Law?
           
          7 hours and you are still running away from the question.

        • Evermyrtle

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Amy Lambert Don’t worry about Lambert she is like my Dad used to say about me,”She would argue wit a sign post!”

        • JimGreaves

          @Evermyrtle  @GrumpyOldGoat  @Amy Lambert
           arguing with a lamp-post is a sure sign of dementia, or plain drunken-ness

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Evermyrtle  @Amy Lambert She/it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
           
          I feel certain that if the debate between her and the sign post were to occur, the signpost would win, and the rock on the edge of the roan would come in second.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         I guess we should do away with the entire Bill of Rights then. Travel limitation is NOT a power delegated to Congress or any of its unlawfully tyrannical agents. Period. Either the Constitution means something or it does not. Like your Bible.

    • Amy Lambert

      @Bob11348 This is not about protecting your country; it about protecting passengers. Tell us just how you would go aboaut it, Bobby.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert  @Bob11348 Issuing every adult passenger would do the trick.
        Only a paid government drone would believe otherwise.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Bob11348 Is it your object to bore me to death so I’ll leave you to search for your talking points? You can all gather in your little thought controlled minds and not be troubled by any challenges to your cherished beliefs that seem to crumble too easily. If you feel so strongly about the positions you hold, you ought to be able to defend them.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Bob11348 by the way, does the government really pay for this? how much?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @Bob11348 Interesting…
           
          The Constitution is now relegated to “talking points” status?
           
          You have lost your position and are now melting into childishly snarkey remarks.

        • Amy Lambert

          and how do YOU like it? you must be a paid female liberal grump!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert  @GrumpyOldGoat  @Bob11348 Are you here to get all of our commenters on tract?. Maybe we are happy as we are!!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Amy Lambert  @GrumpyOldGoat  @Bob11348 Smart and intelligent people are hard to bore! They are always trying to learn anything that is new to them, the more detailed the better they like it.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Amy Lambert  @Bob11348 Are you GOD? You have told us how to handle all of our problems  and you have been with us such a short time, too.

    • JimGreaves

      @Bob11348
       Obama loves to trash, aided and abetted by Amy and others who think Christain mores – render unto Caesar – has place in our NON-religious law. That is, fourth amendment can be over-ruled so long as it is a Jesus freak promoting the over-ride. Jesus did NOT take the easy way out, and beg for “security” at the entrance to the forum, Amy. Perhaps biblical matters should NOT be part of this discussion. Not all of us who’ve actually read the entire Bible a couple of times can handle being dicated to about its contents without the RIGHT to reply.

  • JimGreaves

    Amy Lambert STILL shows herself (if female) to be a shill for leftist propagandists. Consider that she/he/it has said: “(for example that our guards posted at these embassies are not allowed to carry loaded weapons–I don’t know if this is really true, but I believe it is possible)”. Apparently she missed the memos widely promulgated in leftist and Fox news releases, with Hillary’s signature, attesting to this as a FACT. Not a “supposition”. Had Marines at Consulate had bullets, the results might have been far different. Again, showing her/his/its true self: shill for Obama. Don’t let her/him/it fool you with faulty logic and subterfuge. Further notice, that it/he/she has been the ONLY one who has spent an inordinate amount of time criticizing and commenting, as if paid. Might as well play that card too. Everyone else here knows what’s going on in Washington, and ONLY Amy Lambert has been dodging and weaving and re-evaluating her/his/its own comments to appear to match those of the rest of us.

    • adamenochnoah

      @JimGreaves 
      Jim. If she is not female, she definitely has a serious disposition to the female persuasion side of things…

      • Amy Lambert

        @adamenochnoah  @JimGreaves And what possible difference does my sex make to you in terms of the discussion at hand?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah  @JimGreaves paid drones have sex?

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @adamenochnoah  @JimGreaves You can do better than that. Even you, grumpy.

        • DianePenn

          @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah  @JimGreaves
           Amy, our sex has nothing whatsoever to do with our patriotism I would hope. But then I think those who think of us as gender might disagree: the transgenderists. LOL
           
          Forgive me, I had to bring humor into this discussion which seems to have become rather personal when it should be dealing with the structure of politic.
           
          Jim, yes we sometimes have a different view of politics but hopefully it is in the preservtion of our country on behalf of our children.

        • JimGreaves

          @DianePenn  @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah
           Children are not the only ones being abused in the name of “security”, which is not worth having if it means giving up freedom to secure it.

        • DianePenn

          @JimGreaves  @Amy Lambert  @adamenochnoah
           I agree Jim, security is for all or it is for none.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JimGreaves Oh for heaven’s sakes. If I didn’t know it was a fact, how does that make me a shill for left wing propagandists? You are really hostile, JomGreaves. Are you always so hostile to any views not your own? Can’t you have a reasonable difference with people who may come at things from a different perspective than yours without constantly attacking as if the enemy were at the gates? Is the enemy every single thought that does not coincide precisely with yours? I have never before come upon a group of people who are so unconvinced of their ability to support their own reasoning that they grow so immediately defensive and hostile as you guys. Everyone else on your site “knows” everything because you never let in a breath of  a fresh idea. You are no different from the supporters of the president who think watching Fox is blasphemy.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves I think it has something to do with dealing with a paid drone.

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @JimGreaves I notice when anyone offers a perspective or even an idea for which you have not been given your talking points, you fall back on attacking me; you change the topic to whether or not I am really female or whether or not I am a shill for Obama or whether or not I am a paid drone, but you are clearly unable to deal with the point being raised. Some say that Obama did poorly during the first debate because he was wearing an earpiece that didn’t work; you guys are starting to remind me of him. Why don’t you try thinking instead?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves Ok, we’ll try it one more time, different tack.
           
          Do you believe that legislated law supersedes Constitutional Law?

        • Amy Lambert

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @JimGreaves You are just a paid grump

        • adamenochnoah

          @Amy Lambert  
          Really. Why would you accept that statement about Obama without some real proof & why wouldn’t he simply take it out if it was distracting him?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves 7 hours and no reply?
           
          Now Amy, you promised….
           
          Do you believe that legislated law supersedes Constitutional Law?

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves 16 hours and no answer Amy.  WHY is that?
           
          Is the question too difficult?
           
          Do you not understand the question?
           
          Let me rephrase it to make easier to read and understand…
           
          “Do you believe that legislated law supersedes Constitutional Law”

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat    @JimGreaves 
          Come on Grumpy,  Jim.. Amy’s not a paid drone or a left wing schill. She’s just on the other side of the TSA argument & not quite as politically conservative as we are. If you read ALL of her comments you’ll find that she’s a republican, supports Romney, believes in the 2nd amendment, (even carries), is worried about conservative 3rd party voters wasting their votes & having  Mr O’Liar in Chief in there for 4 more years, & HAS NOT promoted Obama or his ideals, or any of his socialist communist minnions in any way. I am on a few political forums & the libs that come on those sites are easily identified. Amy has shown none of those traits.
          One thing to think about in case I’m wrong about Amy (but I think not)
          If she is actually a lefty troll & just here to disrupt the forum & take up our time, then consider this.  On the other forums when we identify a liberal troll we ignore them. We just continue on posting links to important articles, sharing ideas, etc. We never let the liberal control or dominate the conversation by argueing with them, as this just takes up our time when we should be doing what we came here to do. One thing I know for sure is that conservatives should not be arguing with conservatives just for the sake of arguing. It just wastes time & makes us look like the liberals.
           
          I do wish that Amy would PLEASE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH GRUMPY—>   Amy, Do You Believe That Legislated Law Supercedes Constitutional Law?
          Amy, By not answering Grumps question you leave us with us with only 2 possible theorys. #1. Either your answer is “Yes” & you don’t want to admit it, or  #2.  Your answer is Yes but you don’t want to lie to us by saying No

        • JimGreaves

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves
           I think the word you’re looking for regarding Amy is “sanctimonious”. HERS is the only valid voice because she is a Christian, and god and christ will do all her bidding. When “freedom of religion” becomes, “MY religion or the highway”, I see a star and crescent glowing in the dark… In addition, kill one part of the first amendment, kill the whole.

        • Mixture V ranks

          @GrumpyOldGoat  @Amy Lambert While Amy seems to have written the most letters in response to this, another airport ‘pat down’ episode, I don’t think, Jim, that there is any reason to mock Christianity by mocking her.  Nowhere have I seen her ask God the Father or Christ the Son to do her specific bidding in any of this.  So your conclusion that “MY religion. . . .” derails itself right there.  
           
          If it is religious principles in particular being discussed, then, we would have to acknowledge that Christianity clearly served as the basis for the founding of our United States of America.  All early documents and general history say so no matter present day secularists who seem to want to ignore that record.  On top of this the US Supreme Court affirmed it in a famous case in the 1890’s.  In dealing with secular authority, Christ has noted to His disciples that they should be wise as serpents in this regard.  It is from Christianity that all of our freedoms, as we know them, have sprung.  It is everywhere apparent that the Lord is not mocked.  One need only look around and observe what is happening to those who do mock Him.

      • adamenochnoah

        @Amy Lambert  
        Relax. We only give tough love to those we like…

      • Evermyrtle

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves There are a lot of hostile posts on here. Instead of answering  hostility with hostility, answer with good information concerning the subject or just ignore it, you don’t need to prove that you are as good or better, at it than the other person,  because hostility  only promotes more more hostility, and makes everybody look bad. Spite id destructive

      • Evermyrtle

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves Sorry Jim, I must speak!!
         
        Speak only for yourself. The rest of us are doing fine, we get along with most people on these sites, we expect everybody else to have an opinion of their very own and we love sharing.. We  are not the hostile ones . 95% of us are conservative Christians and if you cannot deal with that you are in the wrong place. You need to find some liberal sites to salve your feelings.. We are PRO-GOD AND JESUS CHRIST, AMERICA AND FAMILY people. GOD AND HIS SON come first and next is family and country. WE are none of us politically correct, we believe what we believe and if anyone does not like it, that is tough .
         
        We know exactly where we stand and we will not back down, we will fight for what is right.  and that means GOD, HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, family and country.

        • JimGreaves

          @Evermyrtle  @Amy Lambert
           I do speak for myself – and I would hope you would not find it amiss that I would speak for someone else who might be abused by government – as that is the gist of this thread and the article. WHY are YOU speaking for the REST of US regarding whether or not to put up with TSA molesting us and our children – and more apt, for me and my RIGHT to speak? Apparently your Christianity allows you sanctimony to dictate what we can and cannot think if we aren’t just like you, and for whom we may work for betterment and to undo the tyranny that Teddy Roosevelt and Woody Wilson started…

        • Evermyrtle

          @JimGreaves  @Amy Lambert  I believe that comment was meant for Miss Lambert in a comment that she made to you and I butted in. I am so sorry I did not mean that for you. Just a misunderstanding. I had no intention of telling you what to do or what not to do. I just simply would not allow that for my child and was talking to Lambert because she was supporting TSA and what I call abuse to children. It is not my business what other people allow to be done to their children but I would hate to see your child standing there terrified maybe wit these people pawing all over her , but no that is not my call but it is my duty to speak out and I WILL SPEAK WHEN I SEE WRONG OF ANY KIND GOING ON IF I HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY,  Again I was not talking to you because I do not have any idea what your opinion might concerning TSA agents and what the do. I can only say again, “I am sorry about this misunderstanding”.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         You need to calm down and temper your own hostility a bit…

      • DianePenn

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves
         Watching Fox is blasphemy? Oh God, I am a sinner.

    • Amy Lambert

      @JimGreaves Obviously if you have understood my posts, you would realize that I think the security at the consulate should have been armed; I’ll take that further; if we cannot arm our own security at any embassy around the world we should not have one there. But there are attacks that are overwhelming in force, such that even armed guards cannot repel them; this even happens to major regimes like Russian Czars. You can always be overwhelmed by superior forces; we cannot keep a major army division at each embassy; that is why normally we rely upon the host country to provide protection of our ambassadors. This host country was known to be unable to do that, and either we should have had a vastly larger ARMED force there or we should have called our ambassador home, as the Brits did.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Amy Lambert

      • DianePenn

        @Amy Lambert  @JimGreaves
         What I think is being ignored is that there was a ship close by that could have offered help. Not sure if they had marines aboard but it seems to have had some capability according to a retired 4 star general. And we need to know that this ‘engagement’ went on for around 6 hours and no response or action taken by our ‘Commander in Chief’ even though some military said we had armed forces within 2 hours of the area under attack.
        Seems to me Obama and his crew were not as caring about our ambassador as they were about offending the mystery terrorists who may well have been some they had previous dealings with.

      • JimGreaves

        @Amy Lambert
         We agree on this. Ron Paul was right.

    • Commie Hunter

      @JimGreaves “a shill for leftist propagandists”???
      Geeze Jim she’s never said anything leftist, left leaning, liberal, or “progressive”, not in actual statements or even reading between the lines. She may not be as far to the right as most of us, but she’s a Romney supporter & has never once made any pro Obama statements or made any other statements supporting other liberal candidates or their platform. The only complaint I think anybody really has with her is that she’s on the wrong side of the TSA argument, & not politically conservative enough.  Oh, & she’s a Romney voter so don’t go pissin her off or she might vote for Obozo just to spite us :-)

    • Toronto Gal

      @JimGreaves I hate to get in the middle of Amy & everyone else. But just wondered if anyone has seen a muslim woman & child go thru security? I don’t think a mohamed would allow that to happen to their wives & I sure don’t think 0 would approve of it! Cut off heads anyone?

      • JimGreaves

        @Toronto Gal
         Don’t apologize for trying to get the discussion back to the UNLAWFUL nature of TSA and its behavior. “Equal protection of the laws” means something, or it doesn’t. We cannot have separate rules for “religious” folk and the rest of us, though I dare say Amy and some others seem to think it is okay to US citizen, non-Moslems groped, but equally okay to NOT have Moslems groped. The statue informing us of our jurisprudence wears a blind-fold, and is not depicted peeking to see whether or not someone is wearing a burka.

  • Mixture V ranks

    I would suggest, Jim, that your conclusion here is a bit extreme.  I’ve been following the whole discussion, especially this part, and I don’t see Amy as a “shill” for anything.  There are gaps in everyone’s knowledge about many things and not knowing about the memos could easily be one of them. 
     
    The one I’m concentrating my fire on is Obama, half Semitic [Arabian] and half Caucasian.  He’s trying to rig the election, but I believe we can beat him out on that.

  • David Veselenak

    I suggested when this totalitarian ploy was first concocted that the people of this nation must stand united and refuse to use the airline industry until such draconian, pseudo-safety measures were lifted. The sheeple haven’t the discipline or fortitude to do what is necessary to stop this tyrannical enfocement, which all it really is! It was put in place for intimidation purposes only and to see just how much the sheeple will put up with and you can see that they are so stupid that they will succumb to anything as long as they are permitted to fly! What a bunch of idiots!

  • JohnBrinar

    @Amy Lambert;   Are you really that stupid??? Obviously you didn’t read the article that this post was in reference…
    First) there was ample evidence that the government was lying because there was video of the event that contradicted the government…
    Second) We have a win at all costs mentality within the prosecutors… They aren’t supposed to have this mindset as per Supreme Court decisions that require justice to be  served… BUT that is not followed by prosecutors…and there is no one that can enforce this complaint… I have tried in the past…
    ALSO; other  systems like the British and Canadians will not allow former prosecutors become judges because  of  their inherent bias towards the prosecution… In this case I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that the judge was a former prosecutor… Not 100% but most likely 96%….

  • Redmongo1

    Again, remember Ross Perot, third party candidates only keep incumbents in office.

  • DarBrooksHelwig

    So, why are you stupid jack asses still flying? Take away the fliers and the airports will take away the TSA. Second, why are people not going to the local sheriff and telling him to uphold his oath of office “to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”. These TSA perverts are committing child molestation, assault, theft, illegal detention, unwarranted search and seizure and know body seriously calls them on it.

    • Evermyrtle

      @DarBrooksHelwig 
      You said it and I had much rather ride a pack mule than to agree to be sexually assaulted. The TSA is professional sexual assaulters especially when used on a child. I cannot understand anyone allowing this to happen to a child. I would just stay home first, except in an emergence and then
      would try to find a reliable baby sitter..

  • John Riverside

    Fellow Constitutional Conservatives:
     
    With the exception of Amy Lambert, who obviously is paid to be here 24-7 to try to influence us and report on our activities, we are a very  informed group of Constitutional Conservatives.  I would like to, therefore, give you a vision of A  Big Picture Reason we are in the attempted “final stages” of Government Takeover of our freedoms –and our money.   
     
    In 1913, The Federal Reserve Act was passed by both near empty Houses of the Legislature, and signed by Woodrow Wilson,  that same day, on Christmas Eve, 1913.  (Sound familiar to those who followed the passage of Obamacare? ) In Wilson’s Memoirs he confessed it was the worst act he had ever performed as President.  The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 handed over control of our  U.S. Money Supply and our  U.S. currency to the  very private Federal Reserve Bank of New York , which  controlled and still controls The  Federal Reserve System of the United States.  The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is owned by 14 to 19 international banking families, including the Rockefellers of J P Morgan Chase fame on the U.S. side of the equation.  On the heels of the passage of The Federal Reserve Act John D Rockefeller created the Council On Foreign Relations in about 1918 as a platform to help both institutionalize and make invisible the Federal Reserve System.  David Rockefeller is permanent  Chairman emeritus of The Council,   The Council is a very private, by invitation only,  club, is available for anybody to review on line at http://www.cfr.org,, and  has about 4500 members, all of whom are listed on line.  The membership has always included every political leader in both the Senate and The House, on both sides of the aisle, every President of the United States, with the exception of  Ronald Reagan,  Jack Kennedy and Richard Nixon, the heads of all the major banks, the heads of all the major law firms, the heads of every major media organization on the planet  and,the heads of certain major international corporations and financial investment firms.  The Council has never kept its identity a secret: it is just never talked about in the media, or anywhere by anybody.  The Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York lend the United States its money via the currency we carry around, our Federal Reserve Notes, and are the creditors we owe our  “National Debt”  to.  Our fiat currency is created, out of thin air,  by book keeping entry loans made by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York  to our U.S. Treasury. 
     
    When Bill Clinton signed the Barney Frank amendment to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1976 in the early 1990s, and banks were forced to lend money to the non creditworthy, the Fed invented “mortgage backed securities” to bail out the  banks and $250 Trillion of these mortgage backed securities  were sold into the world securities market from J P Morgan Chase from 1991-1992  until about September 18, 2008, when $50 Trillion of these mortgage backed securities evaporated into thin air in The Market,  causing the recession we are now in.  This undoubtedly propelled Obama into the White House to rescue the families that own the Fed, and caused the “Too Big To Fail” bail outs with our money which added more debt in 4 years than had been accumulated throughout the history of the country in order to “redistribute our wealth” to cronies of those controlling Obama. 
     
    The good news is this will all come to an end when Ron Paul’s “Audit The Fed” legislation ( which, in reality, means End the Fed) is passed after we take back our country this November 6th.  Knowledge of everything I have just related is well known Inside The Beltway and the gathering momentum that has been propelling  public knowledge of this story is why  Ron Paul’s “Audit The Fed” bill received 327 bi-partisan votes vs only 92 naes in an overwhelming passage of “Audit The Fed” in The House this past July, 2012. 
     
    Thus, it is very important that  Mitt Romney  win the presidency and that Constitutional Conservatives supported by Jim DeMint and Rand Paul be elected to both the Senate and House so that Constitutional Conservatives — not establishment politicians — control the agenda of Congress for the next four years after this election.  We are at the precipice.  This is the most important election of our lives.  And I would point out that a vote for anyone other than Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is a vote for Obama. 
     
    I hope I have enlivened everyone’s political interest and broadened everyone’s perspective. We are the right people to cause everyone to vote for these Constitutional principles on November 6th.   I welcome your feed back.

    • Commie Hunter

      @John Riverside That’s a good piece John. Thanks for sharing it.
        I also agree wholeheartedly with your statement in paragraph 5 re; a vote for any conservative 3rd party candidate being a vote for Obama.  Sadly there are a lot of good patriotic Americans that are intent on wasting their votes on Gary Johnson, all for the sake of making a hollow statement about the 2 party system, & the GOP not being conservative enough.
         How would you get the point across to these people that voting for the guy you like the best & want to win, isn’t the right thing to do when he doesn’t have a chance of winning & their wasted votes are only going to get us 4 more years of Obama?

      • John Riverside

        @Commie HunterThe “Big Picture” is to demonstrate to us all that when political actions make no sense whatsoever, if we  take a long step backward and look to see who stands to gain, then every crazy thing that occurs makes perfect sense.  We must follow the money. 
         
        Constitutionally illegal TSA Patdowns authorized by and  endless Marxist type czars appointed by  a clearly Constitutionally ineligible usurper in The White House — who no Congressman has conducted an investigation of.!   Why?  
         
        About 80  Members of the Progressive Caucus, a legal subset of the the International Communist Party, sitting as elected House Members – including one U.S. Senator – and  no outrage from fellow Congressmen!  Why?
         
        Hardly any Constitutionally ordained “Free Press”, whatsoever, in this country, with the wonderful exception of World Net Daily, with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc., ad nauseum, marching lock-step to only propagandize the wishes of “The Establishment!”  Why?
         
        Follow The Money.  The families that we owe our  National Debt to and who  own The Federal Reserve Bank of New York and control our money supply do not care whether this country is a Republic, a Monarchy, a Muslin State or a Communist Dictatorship  — so long as they continue to be paid by us and own and control our money supply. 
         
        That, if you think of it,  explains everything!

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        @Commie Hunter  @John Riverside The problem most 3rd party voters have with Romney is the same problem with Johnnie McKainnedy…
         
        He WAS NOT/IS NOT the best candidate that ran during the primaries, BUT.. he was the ‘party elite’ pick.
         
        The republican party elites have a serious habit of telling the People to f*** off and do as you are told!!!
         
        Every election since Reagan, and the Conservatives are tired of being told that they have no choice.
         
        If he gets elected, he will have 4 years to prove he is a PRESIDENT instead of just another ‘lesser of two evils’…

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat  True, but the RP has to select someone who can pull votes from across a broader base than just hard line right wingers like us. If they picked Ron Paul or Gary Johnson they would only appeal to us & wouldn’t get any votes from the moderate or liberal republicans, independents, moderates or any of the right leaning democrats. Romney & Ryan appeal to a lot of people in those classifications & can pull votes from across all those bases, whereas if they chose RP or GJ they would only get 10-15 million votes from us, & everybody else would choose obama.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Commie Hunter Reagan beat the party back in the convention that finally got him nominated.  The elites pressured into taking GW as their boy.
           
          His election results are historic and repeatable.
           
          Ronald Reagan was an UNAPOLOGETIC Conservative.
           
          The elites pull every dirty trick they can get away with ti make sure that crap never happens again.

        • Suzy que

          @Commie Hunter  @GrumpyOldGoat
           Romney picked Ryan & the elites didn’t want him! Romney has shown over & over he will do what he thinks is right, not what the elites think is right! Romney is at a stage in life where he has done so many things, the one thing he would like to accomplish is to put this country on a sure footing. He loves this country! He wants to see it become what Reagan wanted – a shining city on a hill! He loves his G-d & believes Jesus is his savior. He loves his family & is loyal to his wife and his sons.
          Obama  in his run for the senate had sealed divorce records leaked & his competition backed out. I think he thought he had that scandal with belly crawler gloria allred. Funny thing it backfired and gloria looks rediculous and dishonest and so does obama.
          Do you really think a President Romney would sit there and watch our brave men being savaged and not do anything and with our Amb missing, go to bed?
          Do you really think a Pres Romney would wake up and find out the circumstances of the Amb death and the other three Amer heroes and go to a fund raiser in vegas and say “I guess you’ve heard we’ve had a bad day!”
          If anyone does not relate to the American people, it’s 0bozo!
          If anyone can get a hold of the talk Ann Romney gave to Women United for Romney, yesterday she was great. No teleprompter, just a great wife & mother talking from her heart.
          I understand she was great on CNN, but since I never watch that channel I missed it, but I hope to find it somewhere.

        • Commie Hunter

          @Suzy que  I agree Suzy. Of my 3 choices, Romney is the only one that can win. If the rep. party had picked GJ or RP they wouldn’t have had the votes to win for the reasons I stated in my post above.  I also really like that he picked Paul Ryan. He’s even more conservative & a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment so I don’t think we’re going to see any gun controll measures getting approved in the next 4 years.  I’m learning more about Romney every day. I’ve also learned more about him on here. Go back to Toronto Gals’ posts on Oct. 25th where she’s telling me about Romney. Those are things I didn’t know before & they really show his true character, integrity & the honorable man that he really is.  We’ll NEVER see obama  showing those characteristics, or any other liberals for that matter.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Suzy que  @Commie Hunter There is no question that Romney will be the best President we have had since Reagan, but the elites chose, and backed him against all comers for a reason.
           
          Do you know what that “reason” was/is?
           
          I don’t….
           
          The Ryan pick shocked a lot of people, but I was glad to see it.
           
          Hate to see him not in the House where he was slamming heads against the wall to get their attention.
           
          Now he has a bigger podium and the walls aren’t as soft.

  • Mixture V ranks

    Unfortunately, John Riverside is absolute correct here.  Pay attention to what he has written.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Mixture V ranks It helps to hear it more that once, at least it does not hurt.

  • ArtSchefler

    Actually the TSA’s marching orders are all a superficial show of security…eyewash only.  If they were serious about security, there would be profiling of the most likely terrorists….not a 5 year old child or my 68 year old wheelchair bound wife.  They cannot profile what would most likely be a security risk because of the PC mentality that has invaded reality.

  • Myke1600

    TSA pat downs are to condition you to being humilitated and dominated. Doing this to Grandmothers and babies are not going to make us safer. This is too ridiculous. Just like banning large soft drinks…has nothing to do with obesity or anything else of that manner. It is to condition you to having things taken from you. To condition you to your rights being taken away. I would like a background check on every TSA employee. I am suspicious of anyone who can treat children and the elderly in this manner and not be bothered by it. I would rather dig ditches than be one of these people.
    Michelle’s fight against obesity and putting free meals into schools. Look up where the money for the food goes. Do you know that for every phone that B.O gives to welfarers, $10 goes to Carlos Slim, the billionaire who “owns” Mexico. A billionaire who could have  created decent paying jobs for Mexicans decades ago but he chose to let them live in poverty or cross the border and demand their rights in this country instead of their own. Rights that Americans have and died for.

    • Mixture V ranks

      @Myke1600 It appears that Myke1600 has got it right.  The American public missed the boat by not rising up against all this nonsense at the outset.  Obama’s “czars” are beholden to no one except Obama.  That means they can thumb their noses at the Congress and usually do.  Van Jones is a communist and proud of it.  Public pressure forced him out.  Kathleen Sebelius might as well be, though she occupies a higher position.  Carole Browner is and, I believe, is on one of the boards of the Socialist International.  Obama knows how to pick ‘em.

      • Myke1600

        @Mixture V ranks
         I saw a video of Van Jones, even after he had been “fired” talking to school children. He was telling them they didn’t have to respect their parents anymore because they were smarter than their parents and Grandparents. Laughing because sometimes Grandparents ask their Grandchildren for help on the computer.
        Also, Holder, Sibelius and Emamanuel all wrote books about depopulating the world. They wrote of forced abortions, saying they wouldn’t work as well in third world countries because of no Dr at birth. Wrote of forced sterilization, saying they should sterilize the women because men would rebel too much. Even wrote of putting a sterilant in our drinking water but had to make sure it wouldn’t affect the animals.
        I saw a leaked video of Bill Gates giving a speech to lecture room full of people. He said we have to depopulate the world. And fortunately we can do that with health care and vaccinations. They took it off the net as soon as they could and he made some lame excuse and it was ignored. I have studied all this ever since B.O started running the first time.
        But as you know too many people ignored all this and he was elected anyway. I am not amazed that he may be elected again. But the worst thing I could wish on the people who vote for him is exactly what they are going to get.

        • Mixture V ranks

          @Myke1600  @Mixture V ranks I can’t remember, if I saw the video of Van Jones or just read the article about this, but he is everything BO stands for. . . .which is why I shower every morning. 
           
          One of the techniques involved here is better control of the people they wish to enslave.  The cultural divisiveness you write about here has been in motion, since at least WW II.  If you look at England beginning just after the time of Elizabeth I, you will find an increase in their population which played a major role in their ability to build and maintain such a merchant and naval fleet which not only did business with the world, but ruled the seas. Two major wars, WW I and WW II brought this to a halt.
           
          Here are some questions for you.  What if one wanted to control various countries through the UN?   What would be a safe way to go about this?   How would one handle a powerful country like the USA?

  • JohnBrinar

    @Robertz …. Did you not read my post???? That is what said….

  • Myke1600

    AMY
    I guess you didn’t think of it  because you have been indoctrinated to believe that government always knows best. Or you are just slow. They should have a bomb proof box that people walk thru. If bomb materials show up on that person the door seals and the person inside is blown up. That should stop most terrorists from trying to board a plane with bomb materials.
    And I can hear your remarks about that already. You are just another person who wants to argue. A poor pathetic need for attention. Or maybe someone who likes to be groped at airports.

    • williamc9

      @Myke1600 AMEN to that…

    • Commie Hunter

      @Myke1600 That’s a GREAT idea about the bomb proof box Myke. That would take care of this problem 100%. Can I be in charge of pushing the button??

      • Myke1600

        @Commie Hunter
         Yes I would love you to be in charge of pushing the button.

  • JohnBrinar

    @Amy Lambert my how is  that being racist???? you fruitcakes call everything racist is you don’t agree…. Go watch msnbc and  you will feel better…. back under your rock….

  • Commie Hunter

    WHEN – he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he received endorsements from people like LouisFarrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi, Hugo Chavez, & the American Communist party, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he stood with his hands over his groin area for theplaying of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he surrounded himself in the White House with advisers who were pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he said he favors sex education in kindergarten,including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco – a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home – people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN – it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent millions of dollars to get him elected, people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN – he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn’t matter. 
     WHEN – he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual and organizer of a group called Gay, Lesbian, Straight, Education Network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed Mark Lloyd as “Diversity Czar” who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, & who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Adviser, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed Carol Browner, a well known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation’s largest tax, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as “Green Energy Czar”, (who since had to resign when this was made known), people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN – as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he traveled around the world criticizing the United Sthates of America & apologizing for us, and never once talking of Americas greatness, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our long time ally, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he took 20 million American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he started spending us into a debt that was so big our grandchildren won’t be able to pay it off, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he took a huge spending bill under the guise o fstimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he took over insurance companies, car companies,banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn’t matter.
     WHEN – he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN – he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people woke up— but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist state. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Do an Internet search.
    The last paragraph is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write it. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America?
     Don’t just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. We all need to pull together or watch the demise of our free Republic. Pray for Americans to seek the truth and take action for that is all that will keep us free.
    Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, North Korea or Iran.
      Our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington, DC…  67 ADMITTED socialists & communists in the House & Senate & a muslum socialist/communist Marxist in the white house. 
    WHEN – In November IT WILL MATTER WHO YOU VOTE FOR

    • JimGreaves

      @Commie Hunter
       All excellent points. But off the subject.

      • JohnBaker1

        @JimGreaves  @Commie Hunter When you approach this from a Global viewpoint, it is not on ON the subject but helps to lead the Sheeple away from the Globaist Wolves and Vultures who would first take our lunch money, then take our lunch, then have us on the menu! TSA is one facet of the Big Agenda to de-industrialise the US and break up the only really effective affront the the Same Old-New World Order plan to eliminate Humanity. These people are ruthless, greedy Reptilians who would eat their grandmother for a ten cent profit, and sell their children as coupons on Wall Street to back up their Derivatives Market. They must go! Even our resistance is a victory, because they know they cannot just walk in and take over everything!

        • Commie Hunter

          “Even our resistance is a victory, because they know they cannot just walk in and take over everything”
           
          Exactly John!  And additionally when American citizens start seeing our resistance they wonder why. Then they start learning why & begin to understand, & then they become resistors too.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Commie Hunter I sent this out last night to a group of people that are in a firearms related industry in hopes of getting the idea started nationwide.
           
          Please feel free to pass it on far and wide
           
          So far the GOA, NRA and others have shrugged it off.
           
          How to get rid of the ‘accidental’ shootings among children, put a stop to a large percentage of gun related deaths, etc.
           
          Beginning in Kindergarten, and continuing through school K-12 I suggest a MANDATORY firearms education class.
           
          Complete with hands on training and live fire from 4th grade on.  The older the student, the larger the caliber.
           
          With a full and complete knowledge of firearms, what their uses are, and the inherent dangers being well known the number of ‘accidents’ will plummet. With the intimate knowledge of safe firearms usage, ore people will be likely to carry, either concealed or open.
           
          It will become the norm, and with a certain knowledge that there will be return fire, the loons that want to shoot up a school for their instant glory in the spotlight of the current news cycle will no longer view schools, movie theaters and shopping malls as a great place to become famous.
           
          To counter the gun control nuts gnashing of teeth and wailing incessantly, I propose the following.
           
          Automobiles kill and maim far more people each year than firearms..
           
          AND they offer minimal training in schools.. usually 6 weeks or less.
           
          In woodshop, the students are taught the dangers of all the power tools, as well as the hand tools, and the safe usage and handling.
           
          Metal working shop, same thing. 
          Dangers and hazards are demonstrated and explained.
           
          The students are taught safety and proper handling procedures. sexual activity has hazards and inherent dangers, and the school system has taken on the task of educating the children in safe practices. (usually against the parents wishes) The list can go on for a very long time.
           
          The end result is, EDUCATION is the only safe route to minimal firearms accidents, and the gun control lobby is the sole obstacle to keeping Americans of all ages safe from the misuse of firearms.
           
          They insist that all people, when they see a gun, run away and hide, shrieking with fear all the while.
           
          They don’t teach the same behavior about cars…. or power tools, or condoms, or lawn mowers, or swimming pools…
           
          I do so hope this gets picked up, fleshed out, and spread across the nation. (name removed by request).
           
          PS.. 100 years ago, nearly every household had firearms, and they were used fairly often and the children were taught proper firearms etiquette.
           
          Then the communists moved in and assumed control of the political parties….

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat  That’s a good idea & all are good points Grump, but the liberals would be screaming to high heaven & never allow it to be mandatory. The closest programs that we can ever hope for are ones similar to the NRA’s Eddie The Eagle program for kids, which is voluntary. The last I read it was doing well. The liberals, socialists, & communists mo fos never allow mandatory programs in our schools unless they fit THEIR adgenda like sharia law, homosexuality, islam etc.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Commie Hunter I have Faith that the American People are getting damned sick and tired of being politically correct and watching good People die because of it.
           
          They are damned sick and tired of being told that they are ‘legally required’ to accept the unacceptable.
           
          Will firearms training the in school systems come to pass?
           
          We have a better chance now than at any other time in the last 50 years.
           
          Both Romney and Ryan are Pro Second Amendment, the People in Chicago and other major cities are beginning to wake up to the bloodshed on their streets and alleys.

        • Commie Hunter

          @GrumpyOldGoat Well I know that everybody that’s on here is sick & tired of it. Someone on here posted a couple days ago that this political correctness BS is the cause of just about all these problems we’re having & I think he’s right.
          I think Clinton invented P.C. during his first term as “scumbag in chief”. Do you ever remember hearing it before that? He’s also coined “assault weapons”. It’s not like the mo fo knew what he was talking about, but the liberals & socialists sure picked it up fast. Those idiots couldn’t identify an auto from a semi-auto if their lives depended on it. Most of them can’t even define the words auto or semi auto in how it applies to a weapon.

      • John Riverside

        @JimGreaves  @Commie Hunter 
        Jim.  i believe our subject is how do we thwart government subjugation of our rights and liberties,  whether it be the TSA in every airport or The Justice Department running “Fast and Furious” along our Mexican border.  
         
          Oppressive government is oppressive government.  The question is NOT the type of oppression,  but WHY the oppression  and HOW we permanently stop this.  The WHY  is The Federal Reserve Act that gave control  of our U S Money Supply , of all things, to private bankers, who  make money loaning money to The U S to pay for ever expanding government and an ever more government dependent population and who, of course , will do anything to preserve and grow  that status quo  The HOW is to “Audit The Fed” and Repeal The Fed  with Constitutionally Conservative Reps and Senators representing us, not “The Establishment”  in Congress  and a President who has not sold out.  
         
        This is why I have broadened the conversation.
         
        We are only 10 days away from achieving this on November 6 by voting Obama out of office and taking control of the House and Senate with Constitutionally Conservative Reps and Senators. 
         
        We only need a few constitutionally conservative senators and
        reps to embarrass the weak kneed establishment politicians into “going along” to hold only their job tenure.   “Audit The Fed” has already passed the House!
         
        We vote Obama out of office only by voting for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, no matter what our hearts say.  We vote with out heads.  A vote for Johnson or any write-in is a vote for Obama!  Pass that along.
         
        Let’s do it.
         
         
        The November 6 Election

        • Commie Hunter

          @John Riverside  ABSOLUTELY, Obama OUT on Nov 6th, & as many of the liberal socialists legislators as we can remove. That’s what I’ve been working toward for 4 years, & the legislators for 6 years.

    • JohnBaker1

      @Commie Hunter YES! x 41!!!!!!!

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @Commie Hunter Great list; can I borrow it?

      • Commie Hunter

        @dntmkmecomoverther  Yes of course you can. I recieved that in an email from someone on my political email list. The main body of the list is original but I edited & added some to the end of it. 
        BTW, I like your name :-) You must be a mom

  • Toronto Gal

    Tried to respond to whom ever was arguing that we should vote for 3rd party! But when I hit reply it went up to the top, so. Romney is not beholden to rino’s! They did not want him to pick Ryan & he picked the one person who had the knowledge to work with the economy and tax reform.  He is his own man! 
    You can vote your conscience, and give us the most radical, dishonest, vulgar pres who has ever been in the white house!
    And your children & grandchildren will curse you for the debt they will be saddled with  & the ruin of our country.

  • JohnBrinar

    @Amy Lambert… Pick “Constitutional Law” for the right answer…. you are probably still looking it up….  Sorry for bumping in GOG…

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @JohnBrinar  @Amy No problem.  Apparently ‘amy’ is still pouting.  ‘she’ wants to dish it out, but when the tough questions pop up, it’s back into the furthest reaches of the cave system until it is safe to venture forth once again.
       
      Since this is my first foray into the LIVEFYRE realm I don’t have a clue who is who, I just recognize stoopud when I read it.
       
      If she pops back in, I do hope the regular crew barks the question at her on every post, and don’t let her slip the noose.

      • dntmkmecomoverther

        @GrumpyOldGoat  @JohnBrinar  @Amy …I got yur ‘six’ Grump…

  • JohnBrinar

    @John Riverside….Great Ideas and I hope all read your  subMITTal…. I couldn’t have said it better….

  • JohnBrinar

    @Commie Hunter … I agree wholeheartedly….I have raised 2 children with several guns in the house that were not locked up…When they were young  I taught them what a real handgun was versus a toy gun…. NEVER did I have a single gun accident… I also have 7 grandchildren and have taught each of them the same… Still not even close to  an accident….
    The main issue here is that children are inherently curious…. If you teach then they are no longer curious…ergo; no gun accidents….

    • Evermyrtle

      @JohnBrinar  @Commie Hunter My Daddy and Mom raised six of us, my husband and I raised raised 2 children and kept numerous foster children, and now at 82 I have never in my life lived in a home that was without a gun. None of us was never harmed because of a gun being in the house None of the guns were ever locked up.  Everybody involved were taught about what guns could  do, why it was necessary to have guns. We were all well educate in everything we needed to know about guns.
       
      Another fact about guns.The fact that most citizens had guns at the end WW II prevented the Japanese from continuing the war and further involving us in a war.  No telling what we would have lost if that war had continued.

    • http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com/ csinate

      @JohnBrinar  @Commie Hunter Invitation to join my Warriors.  http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

  • http://www.secondamndmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    Talk is cheap, as they say.  Bravery is not but well worth it.  80,000,000 gun owners and only 600 brave enough to commit to the 2nd Amendment.  Will you be one of them or remain on the sidelines?   http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

    • RyanCMeinzer

      Troll

  • http://www.secondamndmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    If only patriots knew what the most powerful tool is to protect us from an out-of-control government such as in the example in the article above.  I’ll not tell you as you won’t go there and learn about it unless you ask.  Email me with “the most powerful tool” in the subject line at [email protected].  I bet I won’t get 10 out of the 716 people who commented here in opposition to bullying by TSA.

  • http://www.secondamndmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    If Patriots only knew what the most powerful tool we citizens have to protect us against an oujt-of-control government the TSA and other govt. goons would stop bullying us.  What is it?  I’ll tell you if you ask by emailing me at [email protected] and put in Subject: “the most powerful tool”.  Out of 716 persons who commented I’ll not get more than 10.  If I told you now only a handful would bother to go there to learn it.

  • http://www.secondamndmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    If Patriots only knew what the most powerful tool we citizens have to protect us against an oujt-of-control government the TSA and other govt. goons would stop bullying us.  What is it?  I’ll tell you if you ask by emailing me at natanguay@[email protected] and put in Subject: “the most powerful tool”.  Out of 716 persons who commented I’ll not get more than 10.  If I told you now only a handful would bother to go there to learn it.

  • JohnBrinar

    @Amy Lambert you obviously haven’t been in a courtroom… the judge  tells  the jury what evidence they can consider…  they run the trial and although you have a right to a  jury  that can throwout the case if they decide to the judge refuses to allow this very important jury instruction to be told to the jury……. This IS fact, not conjecture…

    • Amy Lambert

      @JohnBrinar  @Amy Lambert The judge tells the jury what evidence they can consider based upon the laws of evidence. If he is wrong, the wronged side can appeal. 
       
      Are you talking about the trial at hand or just every/any trial?

      • http://www.youarestupidif.com/ csinate

        @Amy Lambert  @JohnBrinar Jury Nullification can be used in any criminal trial.  You do not have to only rule on what the judge tells you.  Many times they will leave out important facts to serve their own agenda.  Study it at http://www.fija.org and my take on it at http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com and click on Jury Nullification heading.  If you won’t use our most powerful tool against an out-of-control government when warranted then you are merely a sheeple.

      • JohnBrinar

        @Amy Lambert I wholeheartedly agree on Jury Nullification….. and have been preaching that for years….

        • http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com/ csinate

          @JohnBrinar  @Amy Lambert Sometimes I felt like i was the only person in the US that knew about it.  Makes me less lonely knowing that at least 2 of us know about it.  Boy, it’s hard teaching people about it, isn’t it?
          Best Wishes and thanks for the notification.
          Nate

  • Greg1776

    Bullying is also in the Medical field, doctors and their assistants will force you to be treated so they can make money, while putting your health in jeopardy. If you question the medication or proceedures you are a troublemaker and these doctors and assistants will acuse you of verbally attacking them. Why is it a video camera it taboo. Workman Comp. Doctors for 12 years because of the Company I worked for Owners and more than 1/2 of the employees would do drugs on job caused me to be permamently disable and in pain. Because I expressed my disgust I’m the crimal. An exemployee, whom knew about the drug useage, testified in court and nothing was done about it, except for me being attack, even to this day.
    Reading this mothers so called crime and her deffinition on Bullies it what Ive gone through and it’s time for the Men of America to realize their only feminine side is their Mothers or Wives. READ The Declaration of Independance of U.S. of A. and the United States Constitution, because this is the Law of all 50 States and act on it! OUR COURTS SYSTEM has been high jacked and Judges are x-prosecutors and this I know there is only 3 ways for these judges to get on the bench. Favors they will owe 2nd buying the bench 3rd getting it honestly, and this is fact.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    I carry, in my shirt pocket, a small “spy” Pen that will record over an hour.
     
    I regularly record doctor visits, as well as other conversations as needed.  It has no ‘aiming’ or playback, so often I do not get a face.
     
    It time and date stamps every recording.
     
    I do not remember whether it came from Ankaka.com, dealextreme.com, ledshoppe.com or somewhere else.
     
    Worth the 30 or 40 bucks I paid though….  Never leave home without it!

    • dntmkmecomoverther

      @GrumpyOldGoat  Very neat!  I must get one of those…

  • http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com/ csinate

    Or you could just learn about Jury Nullification at http://www.fija.org so if ever on a jury you, in a similar charge, would vote Not Guilty.  It takes only one Patriotic juror to cause a hung jury.  Never let the others sway you.  Stay with your conscience, whether the law is unconstitutional, whether it was applied properly in the given incident and whether the punishment exceeds fundamental fairness for the act committed.  Jury Nullification has been around since the Magna Carta but everyone has forgotten about it.  New Hampshire just passed a law allowing the defense attorneys to explain it to the jury.  Doesn’t it just warm your heart  that, at least in NH, they passed a law so we can be told about a right we’ve had for over 400 years.