CBS’s Bob Schieffer: Polls Show Most Americans Favor Obamacare

In politics and media, opinion polls are everything. Constantly surveying public opinion allows politicians to tailor their rhetoric to appeal to the majority of their audience.

But things get difficult when politicians are being paid by lobbyists to support something that is generally unpopular with their constituents. Then they have to twist and distort the data to try to make people more receptive to it.

And that’s what the media are for. They’re there for the politicians, hammering in their mindless viewers’ brains exactly what to think. They’ll run segments on their shows “exposing” general “misconceptions” about said controversial issue. They’ll have their expert panels discuss how it’s not that people are actually opposed to the issue; it’s that they’re misinformed. And then they’ll proceed to “inform” their opposing viewers on the actual data so that they’d come to be in favor of it.

When that isn’t working, they’ll say that people will eventually “learn to like it.” That’s what Jay Carney said in reference to the opinion polls showing that people don’t like Obamacare, that people may think they don’t like it now, but once it’s implemented, they’ll “learn to like it.”

If all else fails, media personalities will just flat out lie. After all, if you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.

On CBS’s Face the Nation hosted by Bob Schieffer, guest Congress(wo)man Marsha Blackburn stated that Obamacare only has partisan support. Schieffer interrupted and “corrected” her, stating, “Well now Congresswoman, that’s not entirely true. The polls don’t suggest that. Polls say that most people favor it.”

Except that they don’t. How ironic that a poll released recently by CBS and the New York Times shows that most people still don’t like Obamacare:

Opinions of the health care law overall continue to be negative. With health insurance exchanges set to open up for enrollment on Oct. 1, 39 percent of Americans now approve of the health care law, but more – 51 percent – disapprove, similar to views in July. Since the law was enacted in 2010, more have disapproved than approved of it. Some Americans express concern about the health care law’s impact – on themselves personally and on the U.S. economy. While most say the law has not personally affected them so far, 39 percent expect the law will eventually hurt them – twice as many as say it will help them. Nearly half also see an economic downside. Forty-nine percent think the health care law will hurt the national economy, while 26 percent think it will improve it. Eighteen percent say it will have no effect.

If Scheiffer had bothered to read that poll released by his own employer, maybe he wouldn’t have balked at the congress(wo)man’s statement. Of course, maybe he was very familiar with it but decided that it’s better to lie about it.







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  • Mr Bob

    Polls can be rigged just by how you ask the question . Even using the term Affordable Care Act vs Obamacare will get a different opinion. One thing we know for sure is that Obama won 2 elections by landslides running on his healthcare plan while his GOP opponents got buried in electoral landslides apposing it. Obamacare also passed the house, senate & supreme court before it became the law of the land.

    • buckman21

      Bad laws get repealed all the time. Whats wrong with this one? And if you need at least one reason, here’s one: It’s unconstitutional to FORCE people to get health insurance (when they don’t want or need it) and tax them if they don’t get it.

      The desires of the few out weigh the opinion of the many, doesn’t it? All I hear is “but pre-existing medical blah blah blah”. THEN GO TO CHARITY! That’s what it’s for! People do give out of the kindness of their hearts! Don’t force the entire country to suffer! Design a special insurance for those that have needs. Not ruin the rest of everyone’s jobs and economy.

      • Mr Bob

        According to the Supreme Court it’s constitutional! Laws may get changed all time but you don’t shut down the government because a few teabaggers in the house don’t like a law. It’s the desire of the few to shut down the government. Remember Obama ran on his healthcare program TWICE & won BOTH elections by landslides & then Obamacare passed the house, senate & supreme court & now it’s the law.

        • buckman21

          Seeing how the democrats are the only ones not compromising or discussing,including the president, they are the ones responsible for the shutdown.

          And knowing you would say something along the lines of “the supreme court says so”, let me point this out. Cosmetic surgery is about 95% elective. Except when you get wrecked in an accident and need your face rebuilt. So its voluntary and you pay for it since u want it. 95% of abortions are elective. Yet tax payer money helps pay for it, same with contraception. So, why isit we have to help pay for murder and loose sex, but not boob jobs? Is that constitutional?

          Also, Richard Dawkins recently said pedophilia is ok. So when the court you worship sees it as ok, are you just going to bow to this too? You’ve been asked this before, and since its becoming reality, you can’t call it absurd anymore.

        • Mr Bob

          C’mon, are you really that stupid to think it’s the Dems that are responsible for the shutdown? Suppose the GOP wanted a defund social security, Medicare, or change the law(s) on abortion, gay marriage or anything else? Would that change your perception? When the house sends up a clean bill many in the GOP will side with Dems & leave thebaggers with their dicks in their hand!

        • buckman21

          Since facts throw you off, its no surprise u didn’t respond to 2/3 of my post.

          As far as repealing laws, article 1 section 8 of the constitution shows that the house holds the purse strings and speaks for the people. The senate speaks for the states. So if the majority (over 70%) don’t like or want the law, then that’s when the house says no no no no! That’s how it works.

          And again, republicans continue to give compromise, I dint see any from the dems. Therefore, they are rhe ones holding this up.

        • Mr Bob

          70% don’t like this law?? Is that from the same Fox pollsters that claimed Mittens would win in a landslide? NEVER in the history of this country has the house shut down our government to change a law. Obama buried the GOP in TWO LANDSLIDES in which Obamacare was a main issue. It then passed the house, senate & supreme court.

        • buckman21

          You still keep dodging the posts. How much do you get paid per posting?

        • Mr Bob

          dodging?

        • buckman21

          You aren’t answering half the things I post

        • Mr Bob

          I believe I have but if you have a question ask

        • buckman21

          knowing you would say something along the lines of “the supreme court says so”, let me point this out. Cosmetic surgery is about 95% elective. Except when you get wrecked in an accident and need your face rebuilt. So its voluntary and you pay for it since u want it. 95% of abortions are elective. Yet tax payer money helps pay for it, same with contraception. So, why isit we have to help pay for murder and loose sex, but not boob jobs? Is that constitutional?Also, Richard Dawkins recently said pedophilia is ok. So when the court you worship sees it as ok, are you just going to bow to this too? You’ve been asked this before, and since its becoming reality, you can’t call it absurd anymore.

        • Mr Bob

          Dawkins said that those that were spanking kids on their bare ass (which was common in the 50’s & 60’s) he did not consider them pedophiles. Everyone could come up with things their tax money is used for that they object to but we don’t get to pick & choose.

        • buckman21
        • jsmithcsa

          Don’t feed the trolls.

        • COMALite J

          Aha. Just as I thought. Red Herring. You demand that @mrbob:disqus participate in your little attempted threadjack onto the subject of Dawkins and pedophilia (a hot button to just about everyone, and for good reason) to distract from the fact that Mr Bob is handing you your @$$ on the subject of this article.

        • COMALite J

          There are many other cases besides getting in an accident for cosmetic surgery that most rational people would deem non-elective. Babies born with hideously deformed faces, for instance — the alternative would be a lifetime of being mocked and bullied in school, followed by difficulty finding employment (even fast food places won’t hire someone to say “Would you like fries with that?” if their face causes customers to lose their appetite), and watching people look away from them in horror all their lives. Would you consider saving the child from that sort of life “elective” since the child would be just fine without the surgery in terms of physical health?

        • buckman21

          Cute. You totally missed thewhole point of the analogy and went for a strawman

        • COMALite J

          Did I? It was unintentional. I went by what you actually said. Your sentence began with the phrase “Except for …” followed by the car accident example, so by the actual wording, you were stating that that was the only case in which cosmetic surgery was not an elective. Had you followed that with, “… or some such,” I wouldn’t’ve even Replied to that.

          I apologize for not being Professor Charles Xavier. I can only Reply to the actual words that you actually post, not to what you may have intended in your mind.

        • buckman21

          From birth I have had a large mole on my right cheek. I was relentlesslytormented through school and some college. All the while it was plausably renoveab le. So no, ELECTIVE cosmetic surgery ddoesn’t make sense. As do abortions, being almost all elective. And no woman takes bitth control fot the possibilty of being raped. So yes, that’s elective too. Therefore, we shouldn’t help pay for abortions or contraceptives

        • COMALite J

          Not talking about moles. I was talking about actual skeletal deformities in the skull, such as cleft palate or even an entirely missing lower jaw.

          Abortion and contraception is a mostly separate issue. Methinks you’re trying the Red Herring thing on me, like you did with Mr Bob re: Richard Dawkins saying that pedophilia is okay (which he never did). It won’t work. I was the one who called you out on that before, remember? Please stick to the subject at hand. If you can no longer refute the facts and evidence I bring up, then concede.

          I’ll say this much: the fact that you brought up both of those indicates to me that your real objections are likely religious in nature. Are they? If so, have the courage of your convictions and faith to say so outright.

        • buckman21

          Ok, what I said to bob originally was a response to his “supreme court said so” rant. So yes, my response was on topic to the subject at hand. And yes, it is religious and moral in nature. Contraceptives, i have no problem using or with. It’s making me help pay for them that’s absolutely retarded. No one is forcing these women to have sex, except in cases of rape. In which case no woman takes birth control for the only sake of the potential of getting raped…

          As for abortion, that’s a whole different topic, which as you requested, won’t de-rail it.

        • buckman21

          article 1 section 8 of the constitution shows that the house holds the purse strings and speaks for the people. The senate speaks for the states.

          Since the represenatives, respresenting the people as they have voted, say they don’t want it, then that is the voice of the people. Thats how it functions. So yes, the majority don’t want it

        • COMALite J

          If the House Representatives actually represented the will of their constituents like they’re supposed to, I would agree with you. But, they don’t, and haven’t for some time, and it’s gotten a lot worse recently.

          First off, of course, there’s lobbyists. Plus, corporate campaign contributions and PACs and SuperPACs (which have been vastly expanded in power thanks to Citizens United).

          But it’s more than just that. All too many Representatives of both major Parties come to Congress with their own goals in mind, their own religious and/or ideological principles that they refuse to compromise on no matter what their constituents want (e.g. “I could ever bring myself to vote to extend abortion rights, or even vote against a bill that seeks to restrict them, because I firmly believe that my God holds that abortion is murder! Even if the vast majority of my constituents said that they wanted abortion rights extended, I have to answer to my God and cannot bring myself to vote that way”).

          And that’s not all. Once upon a time, a dad bought a pre-teen boy an ice-cream cone. The dad then proceeded to take licks off the cone himself, calling them “Income Tax” and “Social Security Tax” and “Estate Tax” and so on, instilling into that boy a life-long hatred of taxation and government itself in any form.

          At age twelve, that little boy, still seething with his Daddy-instilled hatred of taxation and government, came up with a childish scheme to defund and destroy the Government of the United States of America. He would grow up and form an organization whose main purpose would be to trick Congressmen into signing a pledge to never raise taxes under any circumstances (including if their constituents favored a tax hike!), and make it so that candidates for Congress would fear to run without his organization’s approval, which they could only get by signing his pledge.

          Fast-forward a few decades. That little boy grew up and formed “Americans for Tax Reform.” His name was Grover Glen Norquist. He did exactly what he set out to do. Nearly every GOP Congressman has signed his “Taxpayer Protection Pledge,” and the vast majority of them have shown by word and deed that they hold that Pledge to be above their Constitutional Oath of Office, not to mention their duty to do what their constituents want.

          Nobody ever elected nor appointed Norquist to anything. He has zero Constitutional authority. Yet he, more than any other person, is responsible for the situation the USA is in today. Standard & Poor’s flat-out said in their own report on their own website that the GOP Congress’s adamant refusal to consider raising taxes or the debt ceiling because of their signing of Norquist’s pledge was the reason that S&P downgraded the USA’s long-term AAA credit rating for the first time in history. Thatˆs not opinion. That’s what they said was the reason that they did it.

          Norquist stated outright that his goal was to make the Federal government small enough to “drown it in a bathtub.” Drowning something kills it. He would not have used that metaphor unless his intent was to destroy it. He is thus, at the very least, a seditionist.

          The Congressmen who have signed his pledge, and especially those who hold to his pledge to any degree whatsoever in their actions in office, and most especially those who by word and/or deed in office have demonstrated that they hold his pledge above their Constitutional Oath of Office, are traitors. I hold the latter especially to be guilty of High Treason. That’s not a mere impeachment and then imprisonment offense. That’s a “stand against a wall facing a row of soldiers armed with rifles, wear a blindfold if you want, smoke a last cigarette if you want, and then the very last words you hear are: ‘Ready? Aim… Fire!! offense.

          Note: I’m even handed on this. I oppose any Congressperson or Executive Branch candidate having signed or otherwise pledged to any oath, pledge, covenant, or whatever that has even the possibility of applying to his or her actions in office, other than the Constitutional Oath of Office that applies to that particular office. That’s the only one. If a candidate for any office has taken any such pledge, promise, covenant, oath, or whatever, s/he must disclaim it publicly, and mean it: it must have no influence on his or her actions in office. Once s/he leaves office and returns to private life, then s/he can go back to being bound by that other covenant or oath or pledge or whatever.

          If Senator Orrin Hatch, for instance, behaved in such a way as to illustrate that he held his LDS Temple covenants to be binding on his official actions in the Senate, then he, too, would violate this principle. If a Catholic officeholder demonstrates by word or deed that s/he holds the Pope or Encyclicals or whatever to in any way apply to his or her actions in office, ditto. If a liberal Democratic Congressperson had promised his best friend who lost a child at Sandy Hook that he would oppose gun rights at every opportunity, no matter what the rest of his constituents wanted, same thing. I’m absolutely non-partisan on this (as I am on everything else).

        • buckman21

          The house did listen to their districts. Two months before this shut down,people callled their congress offices and urged them to not fund obamacare. And signed online petitions. So yes, people did want it and congress listened.Every liberal I’ve had a conversation with doesn’t have a suggestion of compromise. They just want thd house to do what the senate and pres want. Well that’s not how it works. Sorry this isn’t 2008-2010

        • COMALite J

          You honesty think that those people did that on their own initiative, with full understanding of what the ACA actually is and what it actually does? I already showed (complete with charts) in this very thread how, when average Americans are polled about the individual provisions of the ACA without the name “ObamaCare” attached to it, they overwhelmingly favor most of them. Only one provision has less than 50% support (and that not by much — ~47%) of the general population, and that was the Individual Mandate (which was not part of the actual ObamaCare — he proposed a much superior Public Option instead, but the Senate with its insurance company lobby lackeys killed that and replaced it with RomneyCare’s and the Heritage Foundation’s Individual Mandate before it ever got to a floor vote).

          Even among Republicans, the only other aspects that Republican poll responders supported less than 50% were three provisions that aided the poor and required the wealthy and big business to help subsidize health care for the poor, middle class, and small businesses.

          It’s not the ACA that they hate and fear. It’s the “ObamaCare” brand.

          You know good and well that right wing media outlets and blogosphere such as FreedomWorks, Heritage Action, etc., and most especially, a Heritage Foundation SuperPAC-funded website especially devoted to this particular thing (DontFundObamacare.com), urged their viewers and listeners and readers to call or Email (or, in the case of the websites, provided scripts and easy-to-fill online petitions) those Congressional offices (and used typical lies about the ACA to do so, such as the oft-refuted “death panels”), The people who contacted their representatives did not for the most part do so on their own initiative, nor with anything even remotely resembling a true understanding of what the ACA actually is and what it actually does.

          Don’t even try to pretend that this was a bunch of American citizens acting on their own initiative, with their own educated understanding. It wasn’t and you know it. As you yourself just said, they “signed online petitions.” Online petitions by whom? Jim DeMint and his Heritage Foundation, that’s who. (Oh, and online petitions in general tend to be unreliable and easily manipulated, such as the secession petitions from a year or so ago in which it turned out that a substantial number of signers were actually liberals wanting the conservative states to leave.)

          Look: almost a century ago, a man named Orson Welles had his Mercury Theatre acting troupe put on a radio play adapting H. G. Wells’s The War of the Worlds. They adapted it in the form of fake radio news announcements chronicling the ongoing invasion of Martians. Despite disclaimers stating explicitly that it was just a radio play, panic siezed many parts of the nation. People in the thousands thought that it was real, that Martians really were invading! And that was just from AM radio!

          On that day, political demogogues learned just how valuable the emerging mass media could be to their goals, just how gullible the masses can be when the media tells them something — anything. It has even been argued that that one radio play so long ago set in motion the eventual demise of the USA and perhaps all of Western civilization.

          It’s especially ironic that the Heritage Foundation sponsored the Don’t Fund Obamacare online petition website, since much of the ACA as actually passed is largely (including most especially the Individual Mandate, which was not part of the actual original ObamaCare! Again: Obama wanted a Public Option instead!) based on their own proposed National Health System for America that their own Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D. (Distinguished Fellow and Director for their Center of Public Policy Innovation) published (let alone wrote and came up with way back on January 2, 1989 (subsequently expanded by Butler as Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans [cover image below] on October 2, 1989).

          Recently, Dr. Butler tried to claim that he did so in response to HillaryCare, but funny thing, Hillary hadn’t even invented HillaryCare yet. In fact, she wasn’t even the First Lady yet! Early January, 1989, remember? Not only was Bill Clinton not President yet, his immediate predecessor George Herbert Walker “Daddy” Bush was still almost three weeks away from having been inaugurated as our 41st President! Ronald Wilson Reagan was still in office!! Relatively few Americans who didn’t live in or very near Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton yet, let alone Hillary!

          Frankly, I agree that the ACA as passed (especially the Individual Mandate) is lame, but it beats what we had before by a long shot. The pre-ACA system was and is unsustainable. It’s the true job-killer, since it requires employers to fund health insurance for their employees thus driving up the costs of employment. It also results in “job lock” (employees who dare not move to another job to further their career because they’d lose the health insurance, and perhaps have themselves or family members who have come down with conditions which would now become pre-existing conditions with any new health insurance at a new job), and of course doesn’t do a thing for the unemployed, self-employed, family business / single proprietorship / partnership employed, etc.

          Over the past few decades, insurance premiums even for those who are fortunate enough to have insurance (including employer-paid plans) have been rising far and away faster than salaries and wages and the CPI, by nearly ½ an order of magnitude. Unless you’re actually wealthy (not just upper middle class or even millionaire level), sooner or later you would not be able to continue to afford the premiums.

          The ACA won’t solve all the problems. Even single-payer (a vastly superior system) wouldn’t. That’s because the underlying problems aren’t being addressed: why is health care in the USA so friggin’ expensive in the first place!?

          • As of 2010, the USA spends an average of over $8,000 per person per year for health care. We’re #1!! We’re #1!! In comparison, Japan spends about $4,000, < ½ of what we spend. Spain spends < $3,000.

          • Are we getting our money’s worth? U.S. life expectancy at birth as of 2010: ~79 years. For Spain, ~82. For Japan, ~83 (this is before Fukushima, of course).

          • In 2012, the USA ranked nine places below Cuba in per-capita infant survival (that means that not only are we worse than Cuba at infant mortality, there are eight other nations between us and Cuba in the rankings!).

          • 62% of personal bankruptcies are related to illnesses and medical bills. Of those, 69% were insured at the time of filing for bankruptcy.

          Average cost of CT scan of head: India $43 • Argentina $78 • Canada $122 • Spain $123 • France $141 • USA $510!

          Average cost of appendectomy: India $254 • Argentina $1,030 • Spain $2,615 • Germany $3,093 • France $3,164 • Canada $5,606 • USA $13,003!

          Average cost of coronary bypass: India $4,525 • Argentina $9,319 • France: $16,140 • Germany $16,508 • Spain $17,908 • Switzerland $25,486 • USA $67,583!

          • One Lipitor pill costs about as much in the USA as three do in Argentina.

          • One Plavix pill in the USA ~= four in Spain.

          • One Nexium pill in the USA ~= eight in France.

          • A single regular-strength generic acetaminophen (generic version of Tylenol®) pill dispensed at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston costs more than an entire bottle of 100 on Amazon (and that’s when purchased without a hospital’s bulk purchasing power)!

          • CEOs of not-for-profit charity hospitals are paid many-fold higher than even the highest-paid of CEOs in other non-profits. For instance, the CEO of the University of Pittsburgh’s Presbyterian Medical Center gets $5,975,462, while the center itself netted $769,700,054 in operating profit. Compare this with the $1,379,162 that the CEO of the Metropolitan Opera makes, or the mere $561,210 that the CEO of the American Red Cross makes.

          • Defense contractors are know for their outrageous Congressional lobbying. They spent a whopping $1.53 billion in lobbying expenses from 1998–2012, a figure that outraged many Americans when it was revealed. Know how much the medical industry lobbyists spent over the same period? $5.36 billion!!

          • Of Houston, Texas’s Top Ten employers, three are energy companies (ExxonMobile being the top of these, with 14,000 employees). Five are hospitals! MD Anderson Cancer Center employs 19,000!

          • MD Anderson’s CEO makes roughly triple what the President of the entire University of Texas system (of which MD Anderson is a part, as an onstensibly not-for-profit medical center!) earns. This is sadly typical of university medical centers in general: their CEOs are paid far and away more than the presidents of the universities that own them, whether it’s Duke, Stanford, or Yale.

          The above information comes from an outstanding article entitled Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills are Killing Us” researched and written by Steven Brill and published as the sole main article content of the March 4, 2013 issue of Time Magazine. It’s one of the few serious attempts to answer the real questions of why American health care is so expensive in the first place rather than quibbling over how and by whom those costs are to be paid. It’s a Must Read for anyone who is actually more interested in finding solutions to the health care issue rather than using it as a political weapon. Which are you?

        • COMALite J

          What happened to the long post full of actual data and links and images that I posted in Reply to this post of yours yesterday?

        • buckman21

          I have nothing more to bother saying to you. All I’m going to do is the same with every other liberal that won’t open their eyes to whats going on around them. And what doesn’t just affect themselves. I’ll just keep buying silver, watching the economy and dollar collapse around me, and have a big bag of “I Told You So” ‘s waiting for all you lovers of this crap that is the ACA when it falls under its own weight.

          Plus you continue to post a day later and on threads no one is paying attention to anymore.

        • COMALite J

          Wow, I’m so sorry that I have a job and thus cannot stay on this forum full time and respond immediately.

          In your previous post, you brought up petitions. I showed by actual evidence the source of those, that it was no grass-roots movement but was carefully orchestrated by the Heritage Foundation, who, ironically enough, were the original inventors of much of the Affordable Care Act as passed, most especially including the Individual Mandate! The original plan is still on their own website, dated January 2, 1989 (when Reagan was still in office, during the transition period before George Herbert Walker Bush officially took office almost three weeks later!). Its author, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., is a Distinguished Fellow and was at the time Director of the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Public Policy Innovation. He has since tried to disclaim this by claiming he did this in response to HillaryCare. In very early 1989. While Reagan was still President. Before most people outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary. ¾ year later, on October 2, 1989, the Heritage Foundation published an expanded version of the proposal in a full-fledged book, whose cover is posted below.

          This plan was the basis for RomneyCare, which Romney later tried to disclaim and claim that it was only ever intended to work at the State level. Yeah. Right. That’s why the original January 2, 1989 paper was entitled A National Health System for America, and why the expanded version has the title Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.

          So, if you’re right that the ACA will fall under its own weight (and guess, what? I agree! It eventually will! But so would any other plan, including the pre-ACA system that was already in place, which was showing signs of doing precisely that already — more on that in a bit), congratulations! You just said that a very Conservative Republican organization’s plan is doomed to failure.

          You also said:

          Every liberal I’ve had a conversation with doesn’t have a suggestion of compromise. They just want th[e] house to do what the senate and pres[ident] want.

          Last sentence first: the House already did pass the ACA. It’s the Law of the Land. The Supreme Court upheld it. It’s a done deal. This shutdown is a hissy fit of a relatively few spoiled brats (not to mention outright criminals such as arsonist and insurance fraudster Darrell Issa [funny how an insurance fraudster would oppose national health insurance, huh?]) wanting to take their ball and go home just because the majority of the players don’t want to play by their rules. They’re trying to get their way using methods other than the Constitutional proper procedures. They tried and failed 42 times (the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything!) to repeal the ACA, and are now trying this way and failing at that, too, since the ACA was separately funded and not affected by the shutdown.

          Blaming the Democrats for this is like until a wife-beating husband saying to his wife, with each word followed by a punch or backhand to the face, kick to the gut, etc., “Why do you keep making me do this to you!?”

          As for your first sentence, much of my deleted post was indeed about a compromise, and also about why all health care proposals are doomed to fail sooner or later. It’s because all such proposals from both sides are mere band-aids over melanomas, addressing the symptoms rather than the underlying cause. They’re all proposing answering the quibbling questions of how and by whom the enormously high costs of health care in America will be paid, while mostly or completely ignoring the really important question: Why is health care in America so ludicrously expensive in the first place!?

          What I had posted before went into much more detail about just how ludicrously expensive our system is compared to other nations, and how we get poorer results than many other nations who spend far less per capita than we do.

          I’ll re-post just a few items from memory:

          • One single regular-strength generic acetaminophen pill (not even name-brand Tylenol®) when dispensed by a hospital costs on average more than an entire bottle of 100 of the same pills purchased at consumer retail prices online (this being without the massive bulk purchasing power of hospitals)! And that latter includes the bottle itself and packaging which are of course non-zero costs!

          • Of the Top Ten employers in Houston, Texas, three are energy companies, headed by ExxonMobile with ~13,000 employees. Five are hospitals, with the MD Anderson Cancer Center employing ~19,000!

          • Speaking of MD Anderson, it’s ostensibly a non-profit unit of the University of Texas in Houston. Yet, its CEO is paid roughly thrice the salary of the President of the entire State-wide University of Texas system! This is unfortunately typical: other medical centers that are parts of universities have their CEOs paid much more than the presidents of the universities themselves, whether it be Duke, Stanford, Yale, whatever.

          • “Non-profit” MD Anderson in 2010 earned over $531 million operating profit on over $2 billion in revenues. This isn’t anywhere near the most egregious such example. The Presbyterian University of Pittsburgh Medical Center had an operating profit of close to $770 million, and their CEO is paid almost $6 million (he should be portrayed by Lee Majors in the movie biopic).

          • Liberals were incensed to learn that defense industry lobbyists had spent $1.53 billion in lobbying Congress over the period from 1998–2012. Guess what the medical industry lobbyists paid over the same period? 5.36 billion!!

          • In all, prior to the ACA, we spent over $8,000 per person per year in medical care in the USA, making us #1 in the world in this stat. In comparison, Japan spends less than ½ of that, and Spain only about $3,000. Yet, the average life expectancy at birth in the USA is only 79 years, compared to 82 for Spain and 83 for Japan (Fukushima may have something to say about that, of course).

          The above information comes from one of the most important articles ever published (the first and only time to date in which Time Magazine had devoted the entire article section of an issue to a single article!), which I highly recommend to every American of any political persuasion. Until we start answering the right questions, we can never solve the health care problems we face. I’ll post the cover below, just below that of Butler’s Heritage Foundation health plan.

        • buckman21

          The aca is stupid and will fail. Romenycare was also stupid and failed. Putting a blanket taxon the whole country is not the way to go for the 15% that need healthcare.Give subsidies to only those that truly qualify. And as much as you ddon’t like it, healthcare is a business. Doctors and nurses don’t go through all that school for you to pay cheap and get fixed up. Investors don’t poor their money into institutes and hospitals for you to just get cured cuz youre sick. It wasnt like that 100 or even 60 yeats ago. Why should it change because medical just happens to be expensive now due to advances in medical science?

        • COMALite J

          Healthcare is a business? Maybe you missed the part about where I was pointing out that these were non-profit hospitals, many of which are part of state university systems (and thus at least partly State government-funded and under their auspices).

          Also, maybe you missed the part about how these outrageously high fees are mainly a USA thing. Do you think that doctors and nurses don’t go through all that school, and investors don’t pour (note correct spelling of that word) money into institutes and hospitals, in other first-world nations? Do you think that the underlying laws of economics and reality are any different in the USA than in other first-world nations? Do you think that “advances in medical science” only ever happened in, and are only available in, the USA?

          How do you explain away the fact that the medical industry spends 3½× (three-and-a-half times) as much as the defense industry does on lobbying Congress!?

          Here are some more stats for you:

          • From 1960 to 2010, the GDP has risen almost 200%. In that same period, health care spending has risen over 800%, almost five-fold higher! Since most people’s pay increases are scaled to cost of living which rises at roughly the same rate as GDP, this fact alone means that no matter how good and affordable your health insurance is now, sooner or later you won’t be able to afford it anymore, even if you get raises of double or even triple the CPI.

          • See the chart below from Forbes (which no one in their right mind would consider a left-wing source!). It shows similar growth disparity from 2000–2012 of both the total premiums and how much of that the employees pay, when compared to total employee pay and the rate of inflation. How long would most people be able to continue buying even employer-provided health care plans at this rate?

          • Total estimated health care costs in 2013: $2.8 trillion. That’s $750 billion ($¾ trillion) more than the average of other nations do when adjusted for relative income and cost of living.

          • Average cost of a CT scan of the head in India is $43. In Spain it’s $123, In the USA, $510.

          • Average cost of an appendectomy in India is $254. In Spain it’s $2,615. In the USA, $13,003.

          • Average cost of a coronary bypass in India is $4,525. In Spain, it’s $17,908. In the USA, $67,583.

          • 62% of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly due to illness and medical bills. Of those, 69% were insured at the time of filing bankruptcy.

          You keep confusing healthcare with health insurance. The ACA is about the latter. I’m talking about the former. So long as the U.S. medical industry continues to gouge its patients, Medicare, insurance companies (who are also complicit in many ways), and the national economy, you’re right that the ACA will fail, but the previous system would’ve failed even faster and worse (it’s already showing signs of imminent collapse). Like it or not, the ACA is a considerable improvement on what we had before, but it’s nowhere near good enough. No system can be that focuses only or even mainly on the health insurance angle.

          Also, you talk business, but consider that health care is not subject to traditional free market forces. If you want a new car or house or home entertainment system or smartphone, you can choose what you want and the price you’re willing to pay. Of course, you get to see the prices before you make the purchase. If one vendor charges more than you and others feel that the product or service is worth, the vendor must either lower the price or lose business to competition.

          But health care doesn’t work that way. If you or your wife or child is in dire need of immediate health care, you don’t get to pick and choose. You can’t waste time wondering which hospital will give you the best bang for the buck regarding the particular diagnosing and treating that’s needed. You usually don’t even get to see the prices before you finally get the actual bill, so how can you compare them?

          “ObamaCare” is often called a “job-killer,” but have you considered the impact of the pre-ACA system, the system we’ve had for decades, in which employers provide group-plan insurance as a benefit?

          • This raises the cost of hiring employees, since employees who sign up for the plan cost the employer in premiums each month, above and beyond his or her salary, wages, commissions, or whatever. This becomes a counter-incentive to hiring. Remember that five-fold rate of premiums increase compared to the economy? That affects the employers!

          • Employees become dependent on the employer for fear of losing their health insurance (aka “job lock” or “employment lock”), especially if the employee or anyone in his or her family acquired some health condition after getting covered by the group plan, but which would now become a pre-existing condition with some other employer’s plan. This prevents employees from seeking other employment for reasons such as career advancement, improved pay, better working conditions, better job security, living nearer to an elderly relative who needs some help or who perhaps is dying, etc.

          • Of course, employer-provided health care does diddly-squat for the unemployed.

        • buckman21

          Here’s a solution: If you don’t like costs here, go live in the places you linked and gave examples. I for one don’t care about rising costs personally. Even if my daughter got cancer. I wouldn’t whine and moan about it. I would do anything to save her life. I believe in Capitalism and don’t care for forced charity for others. I give 10% to my church every pay check, and donate to other charities on top of that. Another solution would if people would give willingly instead of being forced, then those with needs of health care can get it.

          Side note: usually when i post its from my phone, so grammar and spelling errors are unfortunately common

        • COMALite J

          Maybe you missed the part where I showed that the USA gets less bang for its healthcare buck than any other G8 nation. We spend much more, yet we’re much less healthy, don’t live nearly as long, and have more of our babies die in infancy.

          Our previous system simply wasn’t working. Neither will the ACA for much longer, until we first address that problem.

          On the phone thing: okay, I can understand that.

          You tithe to your Church and yet support capitalism? Have you even read the New Testament? I challenge you to show me capitalism endorsed by God or any of His duly authorized representatives (apostles, prophets, angels, or Jesus Christ) anywhere in the Holy Bible, Old or New Testaments.

          On the other hand, I can show you a form of proto-Marxism not only actually practiced by the very early Christian Church (Acts 2:44–45, 4:31–37 [end of chapter 4]) but even Peter empowered by Almighty God Himself divinely (and fatally!) enforcing honesty in participation in that proto-Marxist socioeconomic system (Acts 5:1–11, immediately following the Acts 4 reference without interruption).

          On taxes, see Romans 13:1–7.

        • buckman21

          Possibly we don’t live as long or infant trouble due to how parents raise their children or how people as individuals take care of themselves. Me myself I’m healthy along with my wife and two daughters. We eat right and play. I can’t speak for the rest of the country.

          As for supporting Capitalism, to me, that means working hard and being rewarded for it. Not making everything equal. The lazy shouldn’t reap the rewards of the hard working. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-13 “Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.” Capitalism isn’t perfect, not going to admit that. Our nation is way more self-centered unfortunately, we don’t have that family communal society other nations have. But it’s the closest thing to perfect to me. Christians give because they want to give. That’s what charity is, giving out of the goodness of your heart. If i didn’t tithe that doesn’t mean I’m going to hell. But no where in bible does it say we are forced to give our money away.

          As for proto-Marxism, you’re right. Paul did preach that. However, that’s only because nearly everyone was a Christian there and then! If everyone in America were religiously Christian/morally decent, then yes, it would almost be our obligation to care for everyone else. Not be forced into it through big government. It’s the same reasoning when I here (as an example) of healthcare in smaller European countries. Norway for example. Yes their countries healthcare works. But that’s because they re a mono-racial homogeneous country. Its 98% Norwegians, and maybe 2% minorities. Nearly everyone works and pays their 40% taxes.So everyone contributes. But here, we are 50% minorities and over 90 million don’t have jobs or live off the government! So it doesn’t work that way here.

          Taxes yes. I understand the Bible says to follow the government and pay them. Not trying to justify against that. I don’t like how I can’t choose where my money goes. But that’s how it is. When people keep telling me “the supreme court says so, so pay your taxes for that!” it just really really urks me.

        • COMALite J

          It wasn’t Paul that preached proto-Marxism. Saul of Tarsus wasn’t even mentioned as assenting to Timothy’s martyrdom until the very end of Chapter 7, nor persecuting Christians himself until Chapter 8. He didn’t have his origin story on the Road to Damascus until Chapter 9.

          It was the very early Christian Church under Peter that actually practiced proto-Marxism, in which honesty in participation was divinely enforced by God Himself through Peter.

          Note that Ananias and Sapphira were not struck dead from refusing to participate. They were struck dead for pretending to participate fully while holding back some for themselves, thus lying to God. They wanted the social status and recognition that came with full participation, but didn’t want to actually give away all the proceeds. They frankly wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. Peter pointed out that they didn’t have to sell the property at all, nor to give the proceeds to the Apostles for distribution. But that would’ve made their greed and selfishness obvious to the rest of the community.

          I note that you quoted from The Message. Good on you for not being a KJV Onlyist :-)

        • buckman21

          I realize also that you aren’t a liberal. More independent, or no party at all, which is good honestly. You seem much more on the ball than say, Bob lol. In my opinion though, I don’t see him as informative, more derogatory.

          I ran across on another site an economist’s quote that kinda relates to high health care costs pre-ACA. Here it is:

          “Even liberals admitted that we had the best emergency response care. Costs aren’t going to be as high in dinky European countries with much smaller populations. Duh. People don’t go to Europe to get more affordable surgeries. They go to mexico. Not exactly a socialist paradise. Moreover, it has been projected that if European countries plans were done in countries with populations our size, our costs would be even higher than they already are. Richard Foster is the chief actuary of medicine and he says it’s a bad idea in terms of costs and care availability.”

          Again, I will admit that costs are high here. And to be honest, health care companies being lobbyists, I don’t really have an opinion. If companies didn’t have the money to front those they think will represent them the most, then idk what would happen. Just as unions really get behind the democrats, other big business gets behind republicans. Costs are costs to me. I don’t like the fact things cost more these days, all across the board. As for health care costs, I just suck it up, tighten my belt, and be thankful that I’m still alive. If I had a huge medical bill that is, or anyone in my family.

        • COMALite J

          Oh, I am liberal in many ways, according to the dictionary definition of the term (not the “bad word” that modern right-wingers have tried to turn it into). Same Latin root word as “liberty.” I believe that we should try to improve things for the future, as opposed to keeping things the way they are or recently were (the dictionary definition of “conservative”) or trying to recapture some lost “golden age” of the past (“reactionary”). That said, I do see value in the present and past as well, and so am conservative and even reactionary in those aspects. For instance, I firmly uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution.

          But I am not now and never have been a member of the Democratic Party, nor any other “left-wing” Party, nor can I foresee myself ever becoming one. I was registered Republican, and for much of my life a registered Libertarian, and am now and plan to remain for the rest of my life No Party.

          As for the economics of health care, please read the article that I referred you to. You need not plunk down at the Time Magazine website, since most public libraries probably still have that issue. It really is an eye-opener, and I only touched on bits and pieces of it.

          For starters: until you know what the word “chargemaster” means in relation to hospital costs, you simply aren’t intellectually qualified yet to intelligently discuss this.

          The size of a nation is largely irrelevant here since we’re talking about per capita costs. I’m not Michael Moore. I don’t cook statistics by using raw numbers for different-sized populations (actually, he cooked his gun deaths statistics in Bowling for Columbine in three different ways to make the USA look as bad as possible compared to the other nations).

          Moore, though, does appear to have been largely right (though probably misleading, knowing him) in Sicko I admit that I haven’t watched that nor any of his more recent work yet, given how disgusted I was with him over B4C (I did watch the beginning of Sicko).

          That said, no less an authority than Wendell Potter, former Vice President of Communications at CIGNA and pretty much in charge of the health insurance industry’s anti-“ObamaCare” propaganda (much of which he personally crafted himself) until he finally grew a conscience and subsequently testified before Congress, has outright said that Moore was right in Sicko! and personally apologized to him for the deceptions he helped craft.

          That said, I will never forgive Moore for what he did in B4C. I don’t like liars and deceivers, no matter what “side” they’re on.

        • Jim044092013

          I noticed that you haven’t responded to my posts from this week on a subject that I am taking very seriously. Maybe you have forgotten since some months have passed, so I guess I’ll round up a link so you can review. (next post).

        • Jim044092013

          here is a link that will take you to my post and yours is directly above mine. (take out the four stars ** to make it work)
          http://mobile.wnd.com/20*13/07

          /did-romneys-fa*ith-cost-

          him-20*12-election/#comment-10747*21292

          I see that WND will not even post links to their own articles so I will split into three lines to retry

        • COMALite J

          To get a link to post correctly, use real HTML. Like so:

          <a href=”http://url.goes/here”>Text to click goes here.</a>

          So, here is your link, working.

          I’ve been busy lately, but will go there now. Expect to hear back soon.

        • Jim044092013

          I don’t know HTML or any programming language. I have books but no idea what version of HTML is presently used. Since it’s not active, how to you liven it up? Oh! I see but it can’t take you to the comment number?

        • Jim044092013

          I’d like to learn HTML, because my church doesn’t have anybody taking care of their web page and it’s 2-3 years behind time. Can you recommend a book?, wise one.

        • Jim044092013

          Again;
          Here is a link that will take you to my post and yours is directly above mine. (take out the four stars ** and put the three lines back together to make it work)

          http://mobile.wnd.com/20*13/07
          /did-romneys-fa*ith-cost-
          him-20*12-election/#comment-10747*21292

          I see that WND will not even post links to their own articles so I will split into three lines to retry

        • kimjim4042

          70% or more don’t like this law and even less will like it in a few months or weeks.

        • Zstimman

          Your language is that of a typical Democrat. Crude, and uneducated.

        • Vin

          You’re the most stupid imbecile posting at this site. Enforce the law as intended or don’t enforce it all. You and your dimwit party better get it through your thick skull.

        • COMALite J

          Why don’t you read what Dawkins actually wrote in his memoir? He said no such thing. He simply said that the one incident in his youth in which he personally was fondled did not cause him lasting harm. He in no way defended what happened nor the man who did it, and indeed expressed that it was very uncomfortable and embarrassing for him at the time. He also pointed out that the perpetrator subsequently committed suicide (good).

          That said, what the heck does that have to do with the subject of this article, which is “ObamaCare” and polls regarding how Americans feel about it?

          Or are you just trying Red Herring fallacies to distract from the fact that Mr Bob is clobbering you?

        • Vicki Kuner Mattingly

          it was shoved down our throats wait all you low informed voters get hit with your first bill. people ‘s work week is being shorten to avoid having to pay for employers this man is evil abortion, same sex marriage, he cares for no one . gives money ,food stamps all to buy votes. i can’t stand to hear him talk!! can’t believe people can’t see thru him

        • jonbernal

          First of all – Obama ran FROM his healthcare law, not on it – during the campaign, all they did was focus on Romney’s offshore accounts and the “war on women”. Second, he did NOT win by a landslide – it was a very slim margin, and based on results in some precincts that claimed 100% voter turnout, I’d say there was plenty of fraud involved. Finally, the Supreme court has held up all kinds of crap as being constitutional – remember justice Taney and SLAVERY? Should we go back to that because it was ruled the “law of the land”? Oh … and one more thing: I presume you can’t wait to join an exchange and get all that “free” healthcare? You’re a nitwit – when your costs go up, and you’re deductable skyrockets, what are you going to do then … blame Republicans?

        • COMALite J

          … and based on results in some precincts that claimed 100% voter turnout, I’d say there was plenty of fraud involved.

          You mean those few precincts that had more ballot cards turned in than there were registered voters in those precincts? Lemme let you in on a little fact not mentioned in the right-wing blogs: those precincts were in States that had so many different candidates and other things on the ballots (which were hole-punch or pencil-mark types that were read by machine, so they had to use a whole hole or marking space per option on the ballot, and there were only room for so many on each card, and they couldn’t fit more in by using smaller type or some such) that the number of options would not fit on a single card. In those precincts, the full ballot required two ballot cards per voter.

          So, yes, in some precincts, there was as high as ~120% ratio of ballot cards turned in to registered voters. But since each complete ballot needed two cards, that works out to a roughly ~60% turnout, which is not only not impossible in a non-fraudulent election, it’s not even out of the ordinary for a national Presidential election.

        • johnco5454

          it wasn’t a landslide it was corruption and voter fraud that the sob got back in.

        • COMALite J

          No, it was not. Voter fraud is both practically non-existent and quite ineffective even if it were rampant (which it is not). A single case of actual voter fraud can cast at most one, or maybe very few, fraudulent votes.

          Much more dangerous is electoral fraud. Voter fraud is committed by (duh!) voters (including illegitimate voters) in the act of voting. Electoral fraud is any other election fraud (the “umbrella” term covering both) committed by, for instance, voter registration officials, vote counters, programmers of vote tabulating machines, etc. One case of electoral fraud can result in dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of illegitimate votes being cast, legitimate votes not being counted, legitimate voters being prevented from voting, etc.

          Electoral fraud has indeed been rampant, but it’s committed overwhelmingly by and/or on behalf of Republicans. It got George W. Bush elected both times, and I can prove that.

          Note that Voter ID laws cannot do diddly squat about electoral fraud, and indeed can only affect one particular kind of voter fraud, namely, in-person voter fraud (where an unqualified voter actually shows up at a polling place in person to vote). It cannot do anything about mail-in early and absentee ballots, for instance, yet those, too, would qualify as voter, not electoral, fraud.

          Yes, we hear stories such as the woman who voted by absentee ballot and then tried to vote in person. But, do you not get the moral of that? The existing safeguards against that stopped her! Without needing Voter ID! We already have measures in place that will catch that sort of thing, and they work!

        • Karen Watts

          The Dredd Scott decision was, for a while, deemed “Constitutional” by the Supreme Court. “According to the Supreme Court…” doesn’t mean a lot in the long run. If Roberts hadn’t skirted the law when adopting, we wouldn’t have Barrycare today.
          As for elections, 53 – 46% (2008 popular vote) and 51 – 47% (2012 popular vote) are not “landslides” by any stretch. The popular vote in 1984 was split 59 – 41%; although that looks like a landslide victory on a state-by-state map with everything Republican except Minnesota and D.C., it isn’t really a huge victory. Landslides should be defined as being decided by at least a two-to-one majority; that’s hard to get.

    • Centurian2010

      Not true. His first run included healthcare and a slew of now broken promises. He had already forced obamacare on us long before his second term. See Bob your lies can easily be refuted.

    • COMALite J

      More to the point, when American citizens are asked about the individual provisions in the Affordable Care Act, without letting on that they’re all part of the so-called “ObamaCare,” they overwhelminly approve of them. It’s only the name “ObamaCare” that triggers their disapproval.

      Below is data copied-and-pasted from Kaiser’s March 2013 poll. Theirs is in a table, and we can’t do tables here, so instead I’ll show each question, then the percentages of those who favor each the following functions of the ACA, suffixed with “T” for Total (overall average), “D” for Democrats, “I” for Independents, and “R” for Republicans:

      • Tax credits to small businesses to buy insurance — 88%T • 96%D • 87%I • 83%R
      • Close Medicare “doughnut hole” — 81%T • 90%D • 80%I • 74%R
      • Create health insurance exchanges — 80%T • 87%D • 78%I • 72%R
      • Extension of dependent coverage (to age 26) — 76%T • 84%D • 79%I • 68%R
      • Subsidy assistance to individuals — 76%T • 91%D • 69%I • 61%R
      • Medicaid expansion — 71%T • 88%D • 70%I • 42%R
      • Guaranteed issue (even with pre-existing conditions) — 66%T • 75%D • 67%I • 56%R
      • Medical loss ratio — 65%T • 72%D • 60%I • 62%R
      • Increase Medicare payroll tax on upper income — 60%T • 80%D • 54%I • 37%R
      • Employer mandate/penalty for large employers — 57%T • 79%D • 54%I • 36%R
      • Individual mandate/penalty — 40%T • 55%D • 39%I • 21%R

      So, overall most people like most of what’s actually in “ObamaCare” when they don’t know that it’s “ObamaCare”! Interestingly, the only provision that was rejected by the majority overall was the Individual Mandate (remember, the real ObamaCare, which died in the Senate, did not have this — it had a Public Option instead! The Individual Mandate was put in by Senate Republicans [and conservative Democrats and Independents] and came right out of RomneyCare, which in turn was an implementation of the very conservative Heritage Foundation’s 1989 proposed Plan for National Health Care!). Of course, either a Public Option or Individual Mandate is required for any system that offers Guaranteed Issue even with pre-existing conditions, or else the system could never work due to people “gaming” it by not buying insurance until they get sick or injured.

      In addition to that, the only other provisions that the majority of Republicans rejected in were Medicate Expansion, Increased Medicare Payroll Tax on Upper Income, and Employer Mandate / Penalty for Large Employers — in other words, the provisions that help the poor and require the wealthy and big business (respectively) to pay their fare share.

      See also this chart from the same source, which shows that the more people who know that a particular provision is part of “ObamaCare,” the fewer support it.

  • Silas DoGood

    “What difference does it make!!!”

    Wake up Americans!! The Socialist Wing, directed by the Liar-in-Chief, supported by the puppets Reid and Pelosi, supported by the murderer Hildabeast, are working VERY hard to destroy America!! SOCIALISM is not the answer for a FREE America and we need to FIGHT BACK against those with the hidden agenda to socialize the United States!!

    “The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them”. – Thomas Jefferson

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government”. – Thomas Jefferson

    PATRIOTS, BE ARMED, BE PREPARED as our own government has waged WAR against We The People.

    When the representative body have lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous to the state, and calls for an exercise of the power of dissolution.
    From the nature of things, every society must at all times possess within itself the sovereign powers of legislation. The feelings of human nature revolt against the supposition of a state so situated as that it may not in any emergency provide against dangers which perhaps threaten immediate ruin. While those bodies are in existence to whom the people have delegated the powers of legislation, they alone possess and may exercise those powers; but when they are dissolved by the lopping off one or more of their branches, the power reverts to the people, who may exercise it to unlimited extent, either assembling together in person, sending deputies, or in any other way they may think proper.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    “And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure”. – Thomas Jefferson

    The next civil war is close at hand. Be armed, be prepared, and the just shall prevail.

    • Mr Bob

      The next civil war is close at hand???? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Silas DoGood we’ll send a small group of girl scouts to “bitch slap” you nimwitted idiots!

      • Silas DoGood

        You are sooooooo sad. I bet your mother wishes she had not banged that illegal Mexican drug dealer to produce you. She wasted an egg on your sorry, pathetic ass.

        • Mr Bob

          Silas DoGood, go back to teabagging your mother!

        • Silas DoGood

          YOUR mother is teabagging me!!!!!
          BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa HAAAAAAAAAAA
          and she says she will let you have sloppy seconds!!

        • snowmaggedoned

          Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

        • dondehoff

          “Silas”, your post is “mental masturbation” at its finest! Keep it civil, or perhaps that would leave you “tongue tied”.

        • Mr Bob

          His tongue IS tied! Right around his mother’s dick!

        • Ron G

          Yet you say nothing about mr bob’s comments?

        • Marlin208

          Tell me Boob, just how does one go about teabagging a woman? Seems to me she doesn’t have the right parts but then I doubt you do either.

        • Myrtle Linder

          A terrible mistake to answer the “stupid one!”

        • Mr Bob

          Well, it silas’s case it’s “chicks with dicks”

        • Mike

          Get out of my Country, you social Marxist P.O.S., You are so indoctrinated you wouldn’t know the truth if it bitch slapped you.

        • Myrtle Linder

          Please do not answer boobie, it is what he wants, that only eggs him on.

        • Mike

          Thanks Myrtle, I just had to reply one more time, I know there is know getting through to these indoctrinated social Marxist, but they need to know that they are in the minority, and they are fighting a losing battle. In Liberty, God bless you Mike.

        • Myrtle Linder

          It is very tempting, I admit, but when I remember what joy he gets out of his hate filled and stupid mean posts, I force myself not to answer.

        • Mr Bob

          (a) it’s not your country (b) I am no Marxist. The capitalist system has been VERY good to me thank you very much but I was born with advantages that most people cannot comprehend

        • Frank Carter

          FREE LOADER

        • Mike

          (a) It is my Country, and all the rest of the Conservatives who love and understand the Constitution . (b) You where born a fool, that’s easy to comprehend, given your foolish propaganda. You are a sad and pathetic little man, who by the way is in the minority.

        • COMALite J

          Who was born a fool? Wanna bet Mr Bob knows the difference between “where” and “were”?

          For the record, your side is in the minority now, and getting more so all the time. Your side lost the popular vote for the Presidency, Senate, and House elections. The only reason you still have control of the House is because of Elbridge Gerry’s dishonest little tactic.

          Let’s take just one issue that your side thought you could never lose: The majority now favors same-sex marriage. And, that majority increases with the younger age groups. Only the older people still have majorities opposing it.

          Guess what old people do, and a lot sooner than young people tend to? They die.

          As one young woman told a group of elderly legislators: “You guys just don’t get it. You’ve already lost. My generation doesn’t care [to discriminate against and deny basic rights such as marriage to GLBTs].”

          Your time is over. Your whole worldview’s time is over. Done. Fini. Kaput. Game over, man. Game over.

        • pj4me

          He probably believes in abortion too, so maybe his mother could STILL abort him.

        • Tina Anthony

          She should have.

        • Tina Anthony

          The best part of him ran down his mommas leg!

      • LroF5LFjiB

        And they will succumb to lead poisoning!

      • Myrtle Linder

        All of you, who voted against the devil, don’t worry about him he is indestructible until JESUS comes and throws the evil one int the fiery lake. This is a person that gets onto blogging sites and causes all the aggravation that he can. I have run into him many times. He is known as a “troll” that tries to get conservative Christian sites shut down.They/he think up the most evil lies possible to get others to answer his insanity with “like insanity” and can ruin a site in a little while.The only way to handle them is to completely ignore them. Please do not answer him.

        Revelation 20: 10, 14,-15

        10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are

        14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.This is the second death.
        15. And whosoever was not found written int he book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

        • COMALite J

          I see you like End Times Bible Prophecy. Tell me, Myrtle: can you show me the USA in those prophecies? I can, but you wouldn’t like it.

        • Myrtle Linder

          Actually, I love the thought of my SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST returning to take HIS people out of the den of corruption called the earth, or the world, or the universe.

          No, I cannot give you scriptures that specifically mention America or the USA because it is not there, but when it specifies anything pertaining to the world, I just assume that the USA is part of the world, or the earth which HIS WORD is referring to.

          I believe that the following scriptures are referring to the world.
          1Thessalonians 3:13-18
          13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (dead), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have have no hope.
          14. For if we believe that JESUS died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in JESUS will GOD bring with HIM.
          15. For this we say unto you by the WORD OF THE LORD, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep (dead)
          16. For the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in CHRIST shall rise first:
          17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the LORD.
          18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

          Revelation 21: 1 And I John saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

          You can discover what will happen tot he first heaven and earth (the present one) in 2 Peter 3:10-13.

          What you or what I think will not change what is coming onto this corrupt world that GOD gave us around 6,000 years ago, pristine and beautiful, which has become almost completely corrupt.

          It is necessary that anyone believe these scriptures, unless we want to be one of HIS chosen ones.

        • COMALite J

          So, you do not believe that the USA is some special God-blessed nation?

        • Myrtle Linder

          GOD has certainly blessed America far beyond the beliefs or the imagination of those who have no faith in HIM and the anti-GOD have thrown it back in HIS face. America is beginning to pay for such foolish acts. The proof is all around us. Look at the weather conditions, the economical ruin, the crime,etc,etc. Only the anti-GOD blind cannot see this. I promise that on day all will know HIM but then it will be too late for many. When the sentencing begins that will be too late

          Luke 21:8-12
          8. And HE said, Take heed that ye be no deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am CHRIST: and the time draweth near: go ye not there therefore after them.
          9. But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions,k be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not yet.
          10. Then said HE unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
          11. And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; an fearful sights and great signs shall and great signs shall there be from heaven.
          12. But before all these, they shall their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to to synagogues, and into prisons, being brought kings and rulers for my name’s sake..

          Matt. &: 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me ye that work iniquity.

        • Myrtle Linder

          I did answer you, a very nice, sensible post explaining where I am coming from with my faith in GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.

          believe me, I did and It disappeared. Obviously our right to write of GOD and HIS SON is becoming a NO, NO. So many people are not willing to buck the corrupt government, they are “scared of them!” Wait until they see JESUS COMING, THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO CUT HIM OFF. HE IS MASTER OF EVERYTHING. HE AND HIS FATHER ARE THE CREATORS OF ALL THINGS THAT HAS EVER BEEN CREATED. WE CANNOT RUN AWAY FROM THAT. BY THE WILL OF GOD THIS ONE WILL NOT BE DELETED. IF IT IS IT WILL BE ONLY BY HIS WILL. NOT BECAUSE OF THE POST BUT BECAUSE OF THE CORRUPT WORLD.

      • pj4me

        So YOU are going to send a SMALL GROUP of girl scouts to slap the patriots down? Well, it’s understandable that your “girl scouts” are Obama, O’Biden, O’Pelosi, O’Reid, O’Democraps, O’Liberals.

    • COMALite J

      Next time you try to quote Thomas Jefferson or any other Founding Father or Framer of the Constitution, check to see if you can find that quote in primary sources, namely, the actual known writings or transcribed speeches from same. Not from some pro-gun or NRA website, not from some right-wing blog, and not even from some history book that doesn’t cite a primary source, and then only when you actually check that source.

      As it turns out, Jefferson never actually said nor wrote that second quote (“The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”).

  • kalli

    Schieffer, why are you so blind as to what is happening in America? What happened to you that you hate America so much you are willing to destroy the Republic and let a tyrant rule? Why are you and all the state media throwing American citizens to the lions, citizens who grew up as you did in a free and great nation? Why are you so anxious to allow our destruction and blindly ignore the muslim brotherhood infiltration into our gov’t from the oval office and throughout it? You and your cohorts are responsible for helping the muslim-in-chief cover up his crimes and treason, and dumber than nails for allowing it because the day will come when you will not only face our enemies, but will bow to the King of Kings.

    • Dr. G

      Come now – Schieffer is but a member of the Hate America First crowd, and a “Progressive” Liberal in the finest tradition. Much like Islam that says it’s OK to lie and commit any atrocity in the name of the pagan moon-god Allah, it is fine to lie to the masses in the name of the Liberal God of the Left.

      • DRLJR

        From what I understand the word “Allah” simply means “the god” – it is a contraction of two Arabic words. Based upon some references the Arab moon god’s name actually was “Baal” or “Sin” (bar over i). Islam is rooted in a polytheist religion where the Moon god was married to the Sun goddess. Apparently, the Arab pantheon of gods ran into the hundreds.

        • mohammadislamic

          I am muslim. I assure you Allah is the only God. All others are false.

          For example: can you trust a God that got beaten to a pulp and nailed to a cross? That is no God or son of God . Use your senses.

        • Jay

          Everybody dies “YES”. When it’s your turn to
          pass on you will find out the real truth. If
          I was a betting man, I would bet the guy who
          got beaten and nailed is the one who sends
          you to ? I to worshiped many Gods like yourself.

        • chuckfreyer

          Jay, after careful consideration and fact analysis I have converted and talk about the sins in the bible above. Have a read

        • glenn

          I trust Jesus Christ with my life .He is the one and only God.For you you better get your facts right.allah is garbage.You have yours and I have mine we will see who reins this earth in the end. You are soooooo brainwashed.Hope you see your mistake before it’s to late.

        • chuckfreyer

          Glenn my dear friend I have now converted and you should too. I must admit Mohammad is right on this one. I didn’t realise it but it is true, Jesus was a just a man, a scammer that died like a coward. In fact he died in a “just” justice system of the time. No only scammers but thieves and murderers were crucified. Jesus was given a chance to repent but he did not.
          A “God” would be invincible.Alternatively, a “miracle” worker could instantly prove himself like any honest man does in any justice system. This man was a fraud, a villain, a con artist. His “miracles” were worse than Las Vegas amateur tricks (in Vegas, they also cut up people in two and resurrect them. Its called magic trickery). You can see “how” on Youtube thanks to Penn and Teller (who also do not believe in the scam artist Jesus).
          —–
          in fact the bible is full of pedo and slavery and murder that the “Lord” commandeth and committed. This Lord, Jesus, Holy Spirit is by any imagination – the Diablo. Think about it.

          Evidence:

          Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

          Numbers 31: 17-18

          17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

          18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

          The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

          But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (AstagfuruAllah)

          Numbers 31: 25-40

          25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

          26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

          27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

          28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

          29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.

          30. And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.

          31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

          33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

          34. And threescore and one thousand asses,

          35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

          36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

          37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

          38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.

          39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.

          40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

          In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

          The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)

          to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.

          So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

        • Dr. G

          For all of your touted research it is obvious you know not of the Jewish Law concerning sacrifice, and the transmission of the communal sins into the sacrifice. Even the most tepid of Christians know what is meant by “the blood of the lamb”. As the Lamb of God Jesus took on the Sins of the World through his brave sacrifice. He could have bolted at any time from the Garden at Gethsemane but did not. It is also obvious you have no idea of what or whom the Triad Godhead is – you keep referring to Jesus as “God” in total. You only prove that there are fools borne every moment, and are easily deceived.

        • chuckfreyer

          Instead of going in circles and avoiding the truth; instead of profering opinions, I quoted the bible directly – this Lord of yours endorses rape, committed rape (on the Virgin Mary), is a scam artist (Christ couldn’t do a single miracle against the Romans), committed and admits murder (first borns) and attempted murder. Claims to be omniscient yet let Adam and Eve do what they did, and then they had to have incest with their kids to let the rest of humanity grow.

          Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • Jane18

          Chuck, you are not as smart as you think you are. How dare you say Adam and Eve committed incest…………………Did you not read with understanding of the 6th Day creation? Who do you think Cain was afraid of when he was sent away? Who do you think he married in the land of Nod? You talk a lot, but you never say anything with understanding! please, do not continue to show your ignorance!!

        • chuckfreyer

          All humanity is derived from Adam and Eve. To do that, they have to have had incest.

        • Jane18

          One more time, and I will not try to show you anything, ever again…………Chuck read “who” GOD created on the 6th Day-Gen.1:26-31. On the 8th Day, Gen.2:5-7, God formed Adam. So, for 2,000(one day with the LORD is as a thousand years) years before Adam, there was people on the Earth. How about Gen.4:14&15, when Cain is afraid “someone” would find and slay him? Then you have verses 16&17, where Cain went to the land of Nod and met his wife, married(had sex). At that time Adam and Eve did not have any children that are spoken of, and murderer Cain would have taken with him. The lady in Nod was from the 6th Day creation. Oh yeah, Chuck, Eve did not eat an apple……she “ate” the lie satan(the serpent) “fed” her……………………thought you might like to check that out. Isn’t all this interesting???

        • chuckfreyer

          You are twisting everything. in science this is called backwards rationalisation.

          You are denying that all humanity came directly from Adam and Eve!

          In science, it is because I have broken through your belief-system and shown you it is wrong: the world is not the center of the universe. When Galileo showed the Pope, the entire church REFUSED to believe and made him recant or suffer arrest (And he was arrested).

          You are continuing to rationalise and believe in a demon even though I showed you evidence
          —-
          I really don’t know the answer to that question. All I know and all you can know is the “Lord” commandeth pedo-rape. And even the other day the “Lord” let his followers brutally die. Common sense will tell ya this “Lord, Christ, Holy Spirit” is a confused person firstly and the great demon secondly.
          —-
          Evidence: facts, not my opinions, not yours, but facts.

          But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • Dr. G

          Go back and read carefully. I suggest you take a decent class in Genesis to understand that, much like the Parables of Christ, the writings of Genesis were meant to symbolize and deliver a messege. What better way to describe the Big Bang than with, “let there be Light”? But I suspect you already know this, and merely make such comments for your own disturbed reasons.

        • chuckfreyer

          Dr. G – we live in a modern world. You talk about “myth” with so much authority. Let me be truthful here: it is know “fact” amongst scientists that “God is a delusion”. The mind of man is infected by a virus (a “myth”) and one needs science and critical thinking to get to the truth. (Other examples of delusion including Nazism, many other types of Statism because people “very strongly, very passionately, even Honestly” believe in the myth but do not use critical thinking against their myth”.

          God, Christ, Bible and all that are pure “bunk” dating back from a time that man did not understand.

          Listen, if any one person can prove any “reasonable evidence” towards the existence of deity , it would change human history/science/reality as you know it. We know that “existence exists” (this can be validated by your senses right now) but one can N’ever say “God exists” because it always leads to ‘infinite regress’, an error of logic. [Who created God? Another God? And who created that God? Another God.. reducio ad ABSURDum!!!]

          For full evidence of how the bible is the book of the demon, see the works of respect and neutral Professors like Richard Dawkins (“God Delusion”) or Danniel Dennett or so many others.

        • Dr. G

          Good grief, your theological ignorance is breathtaking in scope. You show your lack of depth in your misunderstanding (whether deliberate or not is known only to yourself) between Faith and Belief. With the advent of the New Covenant, core proof in the physical world no longer is present in our reality. It is easy to believe when one can see and touch, which makes true Faith ever so much more so precious and of value. You can chose your own god, which seemingly is of this world. In this world your rewards, if any, will reside. To an individual of Faith, much greater is in store. Attempting to explain what is obvious and recognized by Mankind throughout our history to you is like trying to explain to a man blind from birth what the color blue looks like, or even the concept of sight itself. You should stop. It is very embarrassing for everyone involved.

        • chuckfreyer

          There is no “Good grief”. The words “faith” and belief are synonymous, and can be tested. That is the purpose of science and critical thinking – to get to the truth; and prevent the myth-making ability of man. Main point: most scientists have identified there is no God, can be no God; its is a myth that can be tested in a laboratory situation [how or why humans innocently buy into myth].

          There is no embarrassment except if you continue to be theistic.

        • axmickl

          Hay Folks, trying to discuss anything with this buffoon is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and just pisses off the pig.

        • chuckfreyer

          You getting angry and talking to yourself? I am here. I am conversing. I am showing you facts – not my opinion. Check it in your family book of the demon, called the Bible. Your “Lord” is the demon that commands pedo rape, murder (first borns, the son of David and his rape victim Bathsheba) and so much more atrocities.
          —-
          I really don’t know the answer to that question. All I know and all you can know is the “Lord” commandeth pedo-rape. And even the other day the “Lord” let his followers brutally die. Common sense will tell ya this “Lord, Christ, Holy Spirit” is a confused person firstly and the great demon secondly.
          —-
          Evidence: facts, not my opinions, not yours, but facts.

          But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • Dr. G

          I give up. In my classroom, you would be the definitive example of the straw man using, circular arguing method guy, a misquoting and non-understanding individual. You would simply get an “F”, and the grade would speak more eloquently than any discussion. I can only conclude that you say these things with full knowledge of their idiocy, which takes you(much like Mr. Bob) from deceived and uniformed to simply evil.

        • chuckfreyer

          Wel Dr. G if we are going into classrooms and grades then :

          Because all scientists conclude that God/Yehweh/Christ is a great idiocy and incorrect, it is you that would get an “F” at any reputable university in the U.S , Canada, or the E.U or even Australia/N.Z

        • Dr. G

          Since you claim to speak for all scientists everywhere, I can only assume you must consider yourself God. As such, are there any other divinations you wish to deliver unto us?

        • chuckfreyer

          When a scientist speaks about scientific fact (e.g there is no God), it does not therefore in logic mean the speaker (me) assumes I am God (For that would be a logical contradiction). You see, that is the beauty of critical thinking and logic. You have bought into nonsense (myth): Jesus and other scamsters. Follow the overwhelming evidence in science.

        • Dr. G

          You amuse me insomuch that you are akin to those espousing the “science” behind manmade global warming. In spite of improperly placing heat monitors (whether deliberate or not being placed directly on hot airport tarmacs, on buildings behind the heat exchangers blowing hot air, etceteras), falsified tree ring data, and exposed emails from prominent scientists proving their participation in the scam with full knowledge, people still go on NPR and in soft, reasoned tones continue espousing the scam.
          However funny your posts are, I do have work to do.

        • chuckfreyer

          Whereas Global warming was not a scam, and there was and is still a massive contingent of people that believe it to be so (even though it may not be so , so you and I are in agreement), nevertheless “God” can Never be so. Global warming or lack thereof does not lead to reducio ab ABSURDum but God always does! Think about it.

          Become a Muslim, its the only reasonable way of life.

        • Dr. G

          The day I decide I want to stone my daughter to death because she was brutally raped, then sir shall I consider your abomonation of a religion and pagan false moon god that was promoted by a long dead madman.

        • chuckfreyer

          Dr. G – it is against Islam to stone someone that is the victim of a crime. You are mixing it up with your Christianity Sir. New evidence to prove this to you:

          God Hates Rape Victims

          It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to

          figs and from America to amputees. Let

          Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible,

          with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern

          liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses

          that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of

          Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates,

          namely, rape victims.

          If a virgin betrothed to a husband is raped, what happens to her

          depends on whether the rape occurs inside or outside of city limits. If it

          occurs inside, being raped is a capital offense:

          Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed

          unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then

          ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone

          them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being]

          in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife:

          so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

          Note that the reference to “evil” does not differentiate between the

          rapist and his victim, as John-3:16-only liberal “Christians” imagine that

          it might.

          On the other hand, if the rape occurs beyond city limits, she is

          blameless:

          Deuteronomy 22:25-27: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the

          field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay

          with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is]

          in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against

          his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found

          her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none

          to save her.

          We suppose that in a densely populated but unincorporated suburb

          like Bethesda, the former rule will apply. We should definitely err on the

          side of caution and stone them both to death, so that we can be sure that

          we are putting away evil whenever God wants us to do so.

          If a virgin is not betrothed, she is forced to marry her rapist, with no

          possibility of divorce, ever:

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin,

          which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be

          found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father

          fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath

          humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

          Note that it is her father who gets the fifty shekels. The rape victim

          herself is not even worthy to receive monetary damages.

          If a man rapes a slave woman who is betrothed to a husband, she is

          to be scourged, but all he has to do is to donate a ram as a trespass

          offering:

          Leviticus 19:20-22: And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that

          [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor

          freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death,

          because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto

          the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a

          ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for

          him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin

          which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven

          him.

          Further, with regard to prisoners of war, God explicitly gives

          permission for nonconsensual sexual activity:

          Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little

          ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But

          all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,

          keep alive for yourselves.

          Deuteronomy 21:10-14: When thou goest forth to war against thine

          enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands,

          and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a

          beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her

          to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall

          shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her

          captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her

          father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto

          her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if

          thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will;

          but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make

          merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

        • Dr. G

          Then take you indignation to such places as Saudi Arabia, where these things happen. If there are not five men that witness and back up her claims of rape (the x-rays, broke ribs and bruising aside) she is a dead woman. Stop lying. I know in your religion it is OK to lie for the furtherance of Islam, but even Satan must have shame at some point. I personally witnessed men drag a woman from a car and beat her on the side of the road while I was in Riyad, because she was driving. Why? Because if a man has to sit at a stop sign and wait for the woman to drive through the intersection, SHE has power over the MAN! It made no difference that she was from Belgium, it was her first day there, and she was on her way from the airport to her hotel. She wass dragged from her car and beaten. Praise Allah!
          By the way, MANMADE global warming IS a fraud. It’s all about scamming cash, from grants to carbon-selling schemes.

        • chuckfreyer

          But such things happen in the U.S. where a teacher ra*pes a student and gets “1 month” (and oh yea, that student commits suicide) ! Go figure buddy! This is because of Yehweh!
          ———

          New evidence to prove this to you:

          God Hates Rape Victims

          It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to

          figs and from America to amputees. Let

          Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible,

          with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern

          liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses

          that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of

          Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates,

          namely, rape victims.

          If a virgin betrothed to a husband is raped, what happens to her

          depends on whether the rape occurs inside or outside of city limits. If it

          occurs inside, being raped is a capital offense:

          Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed

          unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then

          ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone

          them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being]

          in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife:

          so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

          Note that the reference to “evil” does not differentiate between the

          rapist and his victim, as John-3:16-only liberal “Christians” imagine that

          it might.

          On the other hand, if the rape occurs beyond city limits, she is

          blameless:

          Deuteronomy 22:25-27: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the

          field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay

          with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is]

          in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against

          his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found

          her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none

          to save her.

          We suppose that in a densely populated but unincorporated suburb

          like Bethesda, the former rule will apply. We should definitely err on the

          side of caution and stone them both to death, so that we can be sure that

          we are putting away evil whenever God wants us to do so.

          If a virgin is not betrothed, she is forced to marry her rapist, with no

          possibility of divorce, ever:

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin,

          which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be

          found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father

          fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath

          humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

          Note that it is her father who gets the fifty shekels. The rape victim

          herself is not even worthy to receive monetary damages.

          If a man rapes a slave woman who is betrothed to a husband, she is

          to be scourged, but all he has to do is to donate a ram as a trespass

          offering:

          Leviticus 19:20-22: And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that

          [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor

          freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death,

          because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto

          the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a

          ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for

          him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin

          which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven

          him.

          Further, with regard to prisoners of war, God explicitly gives

          permission for nonconsensual sexual activity:

          Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little

          ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But

          all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,

          keep alive for yourselves.

          Deuteronomy 21:10-14: When thou goest forth to war against thine

          enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands,

          and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a

          beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her

          to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall

          shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her

          captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her

          father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto

          her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if

          thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will;

          but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make

          merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

        • chuckfreyer

          Dr. G – you are just “rationalising” things. Psychologists have studied this: such as why some Christian Priests that know other Christians Priests are “an*l” doing little boys but don’t report them. Why didn’t Popes do anything about this until the last Pope? This Jesus was a coward: he did not “bolt” Nor did he have to. The Romans told gave him a chance to confess his sins (being a scammer). He is the sickest coward. But what do you expect of a demon?

          New Evidence:

          Some Facts:

          1- The Bible’s Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls as young as 8! [1]

          2- Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14 [2].

          3- The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was 7 [3].

          4- According to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old . Yes, THREE years old. You read it right.

          Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:

          The sections of this article are:

          1- Pedophilia and killing of “suckling infants” in the Bible!
          2- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex and marriage in both the Talmud and the Bible.
          3- Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10.

          1- Pedophilia and killing “suckling infants” in the Bible!

          Ironically, one of the Bible’s 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: “Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).” Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.

          This section is divided into 2 sub-sections:

          1- Kill everything that breathes!

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands!

          3- The pedophilic verses against 3-year old girls.

          1- Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals!

          Deuteronomy 20:16
          However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

          It is certainly the Bible’s principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy’s side. If one wouldn’t call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

          1 Samuel 15:2-4
          2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
          3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
          4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

          A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

          Psalm 137:8-9
          8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
          9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

          I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about “love your enemy”, and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

        • drdbiggs

          Upchuck:

          Don’t know if you have ever read the Koran/Qur’an but this story is in there.

          This is my translation so you will have to tell me what you think. The actual
          translation is hard to understand so I wrote this to send to a buddy. He felt
          I knew a little about Arabs & asked me to explain why Arabs claim Jerusalem
          as one of their “Holiest Cities”.
          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank Ho’ by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • chuckfreyer

          drdbiggs, which is worse Mohammad riding on a camel or Jesus being beaten to pulp like a coward that can’t save himself but magically reappearing a few days later – except no one can see him, no Roman, only his scam cult !

        • drdbiggs

          Upchuck,

          Where were all the multitudes of witnesses to the sheep loving lying pedophile Mohammed when he rode the winged pig around the Levant ie “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed even admits that he was lying when he and his main squeeze, Aisha the Ho’, (Qweer’uns 17:60) try “damage” control. Even the motley band of curs and idiots that followed this goat/pig loving pervert didn’t believe him!!
          Mohammed admits he was lying when he says it was not actually a physical journey but a dream.

          There were the witnesses that prove what a perverse scam that has been foisted on humanity by “Mohammed the Moron” when all the Jews laughed at him. He was such an idiot by telling the pack of lies about flight on the back of a winged pig around the Levant and the 7 heavens.

          N’est Pas?

          Again, I can’t fix stupid but just trying to help!!

        • Jane18

          Chuck, please do not keep saying all these blasphemous things about Jesus….Don’t you know He could have saved Himself at any time, even called down ten thousand angels, but, He was to go through all He did for me…and You!! Sometime read Psalm 22, it was written a thousand years before the crucifixion!

        • COMALite J

          I ask you the same questions I asked of @mohammadislamic:disqus above. What kind of Muslim are you? What branch and specific denomination thereof? What you just said goes against everything I understand about Islam.

        • chuckfreyer

          I am the same as all the Muslims in the Arabian middle East: Wahhabi, Sunni. I am also a U.S. Marine.

        • LifeisSoGood

          So you know, chuckfreyer and mohammadislamic are the same person.
          He referenced himself with one name when he replied under the other name.
          Just thought you’d like to know.

        • COMALite J

          I suspected as much. He’s not even a Muslim. He’s pretending to be one to make Muslims look bad. No real faithful Muslim would post what he’s posted.

        • mohammadislamic

          Glenn I am shocked to see this evidence Mr. Chuck showed us about your religion. Immediately change to mine – join me

        • axmickl

          Somehow assurances of anything from a muslim is not very assuring at all. Were I to want to slaughter others not like me, molest little girls, cover my woman in rags and pray to or through a murdering maniac, I might take you seriously. Until then keep your poison crap to yourself and hope he wasn’t just kidding you about those circumcised virgins he promised you.

        • SPAlumni

          Plus Jihad and Sharia Law. Stoning your sister or daughter to death for family honor????
          No Thanks There’s no honor in that. Talk about beaten to a pulp!!! Beaten to a pulp to death with stones!!!

        • Mr Bob

          Have you ever read Leviticus or Deuteronomy? Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night, Kill Followers of Other Religions, Death for Fornication, Death for Adultery, Death for Cursing Parents, Death for Hitting Dad, Kill Homosexuals, Kill Witches, Kill People for Working on the Sabbath, Death for Blasphemy, Kill Followers of Other Religions, Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God, etc,etc, etc

        • Poodleguy

          As such it was in the Hebrew bible (Old Testament), however we are under Grace because of Jesus Christ & the inspirations of the New Testament.

        • Myrtle Linder

          You should not try to explain to boobie, he is writhing this to cut down the bible, the WORD OF GO, trying to give it a bad name not because he believes anything in it. He is the best troll, or the worse, however you may look at it, that we have ever had on any to these sites. He hates GOD, GOD’S WORD and Conservatives and apparently America

        • Dr. G

          Wow. When you reference stuff, put not your desire on what is actually written. In college they give an “F” for such things.

        • Hydro

          Well Bob it is not worth the effort to answer yoiur bullshit – Ours is a loving God as portrayed in many parables – one comes to mind of the Woman caught in Adultery – Christ intervened and said to the crowd at hand he who has not sinned cast the first stone – no stones were thrown – Christ told the woman to go and sin no more – What the Bible is telling you is that if you don’t repent of your sins and ask forgiveness your ultimate fate is Death for eternity – You sir are an antagonizer just for the purpose of antagonizing anyone – If someone stated the sky is Blue – you sir would swear it is Pink.

        • invalidnametwo

          Yeah that’s the way to represent the “Body of Christ” – begin by holding hands with the God haters and swearing with them.

        • COMALite J

          Read Deuteronomy Chapter 13 — the whole chapter, so no claiming “out of context.”

        • Jane18

          Mr Bob, all the blood sacrifices (except for murder and rape) were changed when Jesus went to the cross to be the one blood sacrifice for all of us unworthy creatures. I’ve told you before, you should never speak about things you know not about………………………………

        • drdbiggs

          Kneel & Bob:
          Don’t know if you have ever read the Koran/Qur’an but this story is in there.

          This is my translation so you will have to tell me what you think. The actual
          translation is hard to understand so I wrote this to send to a buddy. He felt
          I knew a little about Arabs & asked me to explain why Arabs claim Jerusalem
          as one of their “Holiest Cities”.
          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • chuckfreyer

          Instead of reading a translation of the Koran with inevitable distortion, why not read the bible directly. Its the book your family seems to hold onto , the little kiddies. Let’s see what the “Lord” commandeth [hint: pedo rape!!!]

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • drdbiggs

          What else from a butt slammin faggot like Mohammed.

          How many little boys are waiting for you in heaven?

          72 little boys for each of you butt slammin sheep lovers, right?

          You have to read your Koran where Mohammed the Mutt descibes all the little boys waiting up in heaven for his fellow homosexual followers.

          What other religion do you get down on your hands and knees (only men together to pray)basically kneel over and smell the butt cheeks of the hairy stinking Arab bent over in front of you, AND CALL IT PRAYER?

        • chuckfreyer

          Drdbiggs: no homosexuality/pedo is allowed in Islam. You are mixing it with your book of the demon, your “Lord” or Christ . Please read the evidence carefully but unlike you I put out “Facts” you can check in your family book of the demon: The Bible.

          New Evidence:

          Some Facts:

          1- The Bible’s Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls as young as 8! [1]

          2- Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14 [2].

          3- The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was 7 [3].

          4- According to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old . Yes, THREE years old. You read it right.

          Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:

          The sections of this article are:

          1- Pedophilia and killing of “suckling infants” in the Bible!
          2- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex and marriage in both the Talmud and the Bible.
          3- Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10.

          1- Pedophilia and killing “suckling infants” in the Bible!

          Ironically, one of the Bible’s 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: “Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).” Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.

          This section is divided into 2 sub-sections:

          1- Kill everything that breathes!

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands!

          3- The pedophilic verses against 3-year old girls.

          1- Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals!

          Deuteronomy 20:16
          However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

          It is certainly the Bible’s principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy’s side. If one wouldn’t call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

          1 Samuel 15:2-4
          2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
          3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
          4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

          A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

          Psalm 137:8-9
          8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
          9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

          I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about “love your enemy”, and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

        • chuckfreyer

          Drdbiggs – there has been brand new evidence that has come to light about your demon. Please double check it with your own family book of your demon: Yehweh, Lord, Christ – the Bible.

          New evidence to prove this to you:

          God Hates Rape Victims

          It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to

          figs and from America to amputees. Let

          Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible,

          with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern

          liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses

          that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of

          Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates,

          namely, rape victims.

          If a virgin betrothed to a husband is raped, what happens to her

          depends on whether the rape occurs inside or outside of city limits. If it

          occurs inside, being raped is a capital offense:

          Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed

          unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then

          ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone

          them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being]

          in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife:

          so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

          Note that the reference to “evil” does not differentiate between the

          rapist and his victim, as John-3:16-only liberal “Christians” imagine that

          it might.

          On the other hand, if the rape occurs beyond city limits, she is

          blameless:

          Deuteronomy 22:25-27: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the

          field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay

          with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is]

          in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against

          his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found

          her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none

          to save her.

          We suppose that in a densely populated but unincorporated suburb

          like Bethesda, the former rule will apply. We should definitely err on the

          side of caution and stone them both to death, so that we can be sure that

          we are putting away evil whenever God wants us to do so.

          If a virgin is not betrothed, she is forced to marry her rapist, with no

          possibility of divorce, ever:

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin,

          which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be

          found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father

          fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath

          humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

          Note that it is her father who gets the fifty shekels. The rape victim

          herself is not even worthy to receive monetary damages.

          If a man rapes a slave woman who is betrothed to a husband, she is

          to be scourged, but all he has to do is to donate a ram as a trespass

          offering:

          Leviticus 19:20-22: And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that

          [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor

          freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death,

          because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto

          the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a

          ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for

          him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin

          which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven

          him.

          Further, with regard to prisoners of war, God explicitly gives

          permission for nonconsensual sexual activity:

          Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little

          ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But

          all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,

          keep alive for yourselves.

          Deuteronomy 21:10-14: When thou goest forth to war against thine

          enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands,

          and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a

          beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her

          to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall

          shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her

          captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her

          father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto

          her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if

          thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will;

          but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make

          merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

        • drdbiggs

          Upchuck:

          Do you go for the young boys like most muslimes or do you prefer the hairy mature types?

        • chuckfreyer

          1. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam. However, you are confusing Islam recently with the devil Yehweh: it is his Priests that have been doing ‘that’ deed – have you not read the news over the last year or two ?

          2. Let’s get honest and real – you have all the facts I gave you before you, so why not convert to join me/us now ?

        • Dr. G

          (sigh). OK, one more time. The New Covenant, under the seal of the Blood of Christ, was the answer for exactly what you describe. That is why it is the called the New Covenant. You might as well have been researching and lamenting laws that have been swept from the books because they no longer have relevance to modern society, involving buggywhips, horse parking, and the like. A total waste of time. The Old Testament was included after the 350AD Biblical Resolution in order to give context to the New Testament.
          Put your efforts into something worthwhile.

        • chuckfreyer

          Your God Yehweh is a confused, brutal , evil person that you even admit in your reply above [old testament]! Then the evil rapes a young Virgin (which is not a suprise because this trash Yehweh has been talking about rape for a while ). And a scam artist is born that does “trickery” which he calls miracles, yet when pushed to the final challenge, the scammer is beaten to a pulp unable to do a ‘miracle’!
          —-
          Listen New evidence to prove this to you:

          God Hates Rape Victims

          It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to

          figs and from America to amputees. Let

          Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible,

          with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern

          liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses

          that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of

          Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates,

          namely, rape victims.

          If a virgin betrothed to a husband is raped, what happens to her

          depends on whether the rape occurs inside or outside of city limits. If it

          occurs inside, being raped is a capital offense:

          Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed

          unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then

          ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone

          them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being]

          in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife:

          so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

          Note that the reference to “evil” does not differentiate between the

          rapist and his victim, as John-3:16-only liberal “Christians” imagine that

          it might.

          On the other hand, if the rape occurs beyond city limits, she is

          blameless:

          Deuteronomy 22:25-27: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the

          field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay

          with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is]

          in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against

          his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found

          her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none

          to save her.

          We suppose that in a densely populated but unincorporated suburb

          like Bethesda, the former rule will apply. We should definitely err on the

          side of caution and stone them both to death, so that we can be sure that

          we are putting away evil whenever God wants us to do so.

          If a virgin is not betrothed, she is forced to marry her rapist, with no

          possibility of divorce, ever:

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin,

          which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be

          found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father

          fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath

          humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

          Note that it is her father who gets the fifty shekels. The rape victim

          herself is not even worthy to receive monetary damages.

          If a man rapes a slave woman who is betrothed to a husband, she is

          to be scourged, but all he has to do is to donate a ram as a trespass

          offering:

          Leviticus 19:20-22: And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that

          [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor

          freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death,

          because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto

          the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a

          ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for

          him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin

          which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven

          him.

          Further, with regard to prisoners of war, God explicitly gives

          permission for nonconsensual sexual activity:

          Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little

          ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But

          all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,

          keep alive for yourselves.

          Deuteronomy 21:10-14: When thou goest forth to war against thine

          enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands,

          and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a

          beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her

          to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall

          shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her

          captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her

          father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto

          her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if

          thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will;

          but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make

          merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

        • Dr. G

          Wow. You cut & paste a lot. Is it from a word doc you guys pass around, or is it original?

        • chuckfreyer

          Whether cut and paste, or not – doesn’t really make a difference when its directly extracted from the bible (does it?) ….

        • Dr. G

          Well, I have issue with the King James, for example, as he took out parts so that he could have a worry free divorce. I have an issue with yours as it is The Gospel according to Chuckfreyer, which has considerably more errors.

        • Knybee

          So how do you explain your own hypocrisy? For those who own their own house it’s their right to make the laws of their own house, yes? Do you invite guests into your house and let them make up their own rules regardless of what you say? Can they kill your wife and children with your blessing? After all you could get other ones. But you’re a hypocrite. You expect God to have no rules but you can. In the country where you live are there no laws? Do you desire that murderers walk the streets with your children and speak on there behalf for their release? Rapists?
          But you’re also a liar. Because you act like you’ve read the book when in truth you use bias in taking bits out of it so that you can accuse without giving the full context of what is within it. God makes the rules because He is God. But who are you to be alive and say what He’s doing is wrong when you wouldn’t be alive without Him? Do you protest as much against the laws of your own government when they put someone to death or in prison? And lastly, those whom you took as examples can all be brought back to life by the same God who gave it to them in the first place. But you would have others believe that you love them more. Go peddle that lie to the ignorant. First grow up and then you could be called Mr.

        • invalidnametwo

          There’s no way anyone can explain all that to anyone in forum like this.
          I used to accept that ideological erred way of looking at those issues too. But for each and every one, there is a Godly explanation, that does NOT equate to a single injustice done by God. ONLY PEOPLE who first reject Him, then try (& claim) to understand Him, look for, come up with & use those lies to maintain their disrespect of Him. If you be began with a humble heart that WANTED to know & please God, & read the Word of God, cover to cover, you’d immediately be slapping yourself on the head for, “being so ignorant.”
          Sadly, BILLIONS are acting, just like you & missing out on eternal paradise.
          One example that even VERY few Christians comprehend is that, – the end result of NOT following each of your “examples” of unrighteousness, is an increased, defiled world? Every little jot of God’s Law (if followed and perfectly adhered to) would lead the world back to it’s perfect Created state of God’s incomprehensible purity. We don’t see a problem with polyester? But what is it? It’s the combining of things of God – BY MAN – which is man saying, “he can make something better than God?” I guarantee you, when (some of us) get to Heaven, we’re going to be shown why mixing fabrics was wrong, & I guarantee you, whatever the reason(s) are, they’re impacting the Creation in a harmful way? e.g. either by creating something that’s hurting us, or, by hurting us by not using the purity of the originally created items? What if, mixing cotton & wool makes something that’s been causing some disease? & because of our BREAKING of that “SILLY” command, we’re killing ourselves? When you realize that, it merely leads us back to seeing how much God loves His Creation? It has nothing to do with killing, or being beaten for doing what seems like “silly things.” It has every thing to do with God, trying to teach His Creation how to keep & RESPECT His Creation for the Creation’s own good!
          But you won’t understand any of it, until you say to Him, YOU WANT TO PLEASE HIM!

        • COMALite J

          So, all scientific progress of any kind is evil and against God? Because all of it boils down to man taking things that God (allegedly) created and re-assembling them into other things, thus saying that man can make something better than God. That includes every man-made artifact mentioned in the Bible, from clothes of any kind (with the possible exception of straight-up animal skins, and even those have to be altered [e.g. by cutting]) to swords to chariots to scrolls to cooking pots to roads, etc. etc. etc.

          Then why are you posting on an Internet forum using a computer or smartphone? Thou sinner and hypocrite!

        • invalidnametwo

          When you show me in my comment, where I said the covenant of Jesus was null and void, or where I said I followed the ancient laws of the Jews, I’ll agree with you.

          Mr. Bob is discussing specifically, Jewish laws (in ignorance of course) you, are discussing something entirely different.

        • rukiddinsport

          Well. Our amoral S–t is on again. Brace yourself.

          2,000 plus years ago. Jesus Christ came to save mankind. MAN: R.U.FOR REAL. phew!

        • Dr. G

          You understand not the nature of the New Covenant nor the Holy Trinity. But I give you the benefit of the doubt. You may very well understand them. If so, you have made the not so subtle move from ignorance to evil.

        • mohammadislamic

          Oh yes, there is honor in that. Stoning is for the most heinous crimes.

        • Jane18

          So deceived!

        • mohammadislamic

          I can’t wait for my virgins but they are not circumcised.

          In contrast Christians think they go “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” [i.e. dirty filthy!]

        • Jane18

          You, also will go back to dust(in the grave), but when you die, you will immediately go into your spiritual body and it and your soul will go to heaven,,,, but wait a minute. There are two sides of an abyss there, and guess who are on one side and who are on the other? Also, there will not be any marriages(sex), whatever we have will be much better than what we know now……………………..

        • axmickl

          Then your virgins must not be muslims. Or, did you not know where they come from. Funny, all those ugly hags who can’t even enjoy your raping them.

        • Poodleguy

          Yeah, how true. You know that Muslim women don’t wear panties? It keeps the flies off their faces…………

        • mohammadislamic

          Only in some parts of Egypt and Africa is this foul practice carried out to gals against Islam.

          All other muslim women, including the virgins waiting for me – so many – that keep me living a pure good life here on earth – they will have the tastiest parts. But I have to wait till I am over 100 or whatever date Allah has for me.

        • chuckfreyer

          Yo, Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • axmickl

          Do you feel cheated that he beat you low life’s to the task. Wonder how many muslims killed more muslims yesterday in Iraq and other fowl places in the middle east. Sad part is none of the muslin deaths were accidents. They were caused by the teachings of your pedophile in chief.

        • chuckfreyer

          Caused by a pedophile in chief? But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • axmickl

          OK, i’ll change my question. Wonder how many baby girls were murdered by being forced to have intercourse with their 40 year old muslim husbands.

        • chuckfreyer

          I really don’t know the answer to that question. All I know and all you can know is the “Lord” commandeth pedo-rape. And even the other day the “Lord” let his followers brutally die. Common sense will tell ya this “Lord, Christ, Holy Spirit” is a confused person firstly and the great demon secondly.
          —-
          Evidence: facts, not my opinions, not yours, but facts.

          But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • crazyfreddie

          SOON MUZZIE SOON PLEASE WAIT JUST A LITTLE LONGER

        • chuckfreyer

          Mohammad waited all his life [the dude above] and was given American citizenship by the son of a muslim whom you elected, not once but twice. What else should he “wait” for ?

        • mohammadislamic

          crazyfreddie – what should I be waiting for? Are you paying me a visit ? Make sure you bring $100 bills if you want a cup of tea with me, okay?

        • Jayjay1963

          If what you say is true, and you believe it, answer one question.
          Why do Sunnis kill Shiites and vice versa?

        • chuckfreyer

          The same reason Catholics kill Protestants in Northern Ireland

        • Dr. G

          The only reason anyone killed anybody in Northern Ireland was through the efforts of the GRU and the KGB. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the checks from Moscow stopped coming and things ground to a halt in Northern Ireland overnight. Stop being a Doofus, chuchfreyer. Muslims of the Sunni and Shiia have no such reason or excuse.

        • chuckfreyer

          You will find your view to be an extreme minority position pertaining to KGB etc.

        • drdbiggs

          Were you born just naturally stupid or did you have to study?

          Just trying to help.

        • chuckfreyer

          I had to study to learn that Christ is a demon. I put the evidence up and down this blog for you. Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • drdbiggs

          Mohammed is a pig loving, pedophile, perverted homosexual and those are the good things about him!

          In your study of the Queer’Uns, did you read about how Mohammed describes all the young boys waiting in Paradise for the martyrs.

          All you muslimes blowing yourself up for a perverted pig screwing pedophile and when you get to heaven, you become even more of a butt slamming fa99ot.

          It is very funny when you think about it, Upchuck will spend his eternity, according to Mohammed, as a butt plugging fa99ot!!

          Mohammed is the very definition of a satanic demon!!

        • chuckfreyer

          But drdbiggs. what about your bible? Is the “Lord” a child lover? Yes indeed – the other type called a pedo rapist. Have a look. There is no translation here- its directly from your family (bible) !

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • drdbiggs

          That is the old testament that was plagiarized many times by Mohammed the Mutt/Cur dog!!

          How about the peace loving guy, The Sword of Islam, Kalhid been killing everyone!!

        • chuckfreyer

          DrDBiggs:: no homosexuality is allowed in Islam. You are mixing it with your book of the demon, your “Lord” or Christ . Please read the evidence carefully but unlike you I put out “Facts” you can check in your family book of the demon: The Bible.
          New Evidence:

          Some Facts:

          1- The Bible’s Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls as young as 8! [1]

          2- Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14 [2].

          3- The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was 7 [3].

          4- According to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old . Yes, THREE years old. You read it right.

          Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:

          The sections of this article are:

          1- Pedophilia and killing of “suckling infants” in the Bible!
          2- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex and marriage in both the Talmud and the Bible.
          3- Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10.

          1- Pedophilia and killing “suckling infants” in the Bible!

          Ironically, one of the Bible’s 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: “Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).” Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.

          This section is divided into 2 sub-sections:

          1- Kill everything that breathes!

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands!

          3- The pedophilic verses against 3-year old girls.

          1- Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals!

          Deuteronomy 20:16
          However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

          It is certainly the Bible’s principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy’s side. If one wouldn’t call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?

          2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

          1 Samuel 15:2-4
          2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
          3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
          4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

          A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

          Psalm 137:8-9
          8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
          9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

          I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about “love your enemy”, and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

        • EdKulzer

          Your Activity Wall is really quite astounding. Sniveling, dripping arrogant scorn, vile idiocy, depraved garbage– and ever, ever your dire sincere desire to “help”, but “you can’t fix stupid”.

          Mayhap you should review. You cannot “fix” that which you already “are”.

        • signspeaker

          Cmon Ed, your activity indicates blood pressure meds and xanax too. You cut come at it from the Leftists’worldview.

          What’s the difference between cultured oblique insults and rough, crude, uncouth ones?

        • EdKulzer

          : )

          The difference is— one is a crude, gutter based insult, and the other isn’t an insult at all. It’s just writing.

          Hence, the whimpering inferiority complex, needing to feel “insulted” about “name-calling”, when no “name-calling” exists.

          Kinda astounding, again— when, in the midst of conservatives insulting the spouse & family of the commenter they’re assaulting, they can bleat about how much of a “bully” the other guy is.

          Oooh, but there you go again with the “Leftist” idiocy…. How “Rightist” of you.

          sigh… conservatives….

        • drdbiggs

          Actually, Aisha the Ho’, was having sex with Uthman and others after Mohammed died. This was an attempt to use sex to get her kinfolk Zubayr established as head muckitymuck ie caliph. This band of perverts are known today as Sunnis.

          The followers of Ali, Shiites, knew what skanky Ho’ Aisha was, so they chased down her motley group of curs and idiots and defeated them at The Battle of the Camel.

          Much later, Ali’s sons were killed, much killing back forth that was pretty much a battle over all the loot amassed from murdering/genocide of all the wealthy jewish tribes of the area.

        • chuckfreyer

          How can a young gal be called a “ho” ? I don’t understand – which side are you on?
          —-
          IN contrast to your “interpretation” , why not look at the facts in your family (bible). That Lord of you endorses pedo-rape.

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • drdbiggs

          Young gal had sex with everything that had a penis including dogs and monkeys after the battle of the camel, that is why she is a Ho!!

          You have to be a total moron to follow this sack of pig shite, better know as Mohammed!! How many jews did he order to be killed because they called him out for the moron he was?

          They had morons and idiots like you who even volunteered to kill jewish poets etc.

          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • Jimmee41

          If you do not turn your life over to Jesus you cannot be saved!!!

        • chuckfreyer

          Jimmee41, I have converted and wrote above about the reasoning – have a look

        • Mr Bob

          Use your senses???? Does it make sense to you that Mohammad had a “magical horse” that flew him up to the seven layers of heaven & back????

        • chuckfreyer

          It does not make sense that Jesus was a God that could not defend himself. Have a read above about my long analysis of Jesus. Time travel on the other hand would Not make sense until Einstein. There’s a great Jodie Foster movie “Contact” – which is not accurate but has brilliant time travel science . Mohammad (Pbuh) the prophet most likely went to meet with other prophets in heaven.

        • DRLJR

          There is a difference between defending one’s self and allowing something to happen to you. Christ choose to die on the cross in order to redeem his creation. You are trying to pretend he had no choice.

        • chuckfreyer

          Give yourself a break. Come on! Be serious. The dude was a scam artist and the ultimate scientific test he failed like a Vegas magician that claims it is ‘true’. Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • DRLJR

          You are only making yourself look silly with these statements. And you don’t even under how Rome operated.

        • chuckfreyer

          I only state facts, not opinions. The facts are above.

        • DRLJR

          You stated an opinion and an opinion based what you want to be facts. You should really take the time to do some real research.

        • chuckfreyer

          The beauty of the bible is that I don’t even have to state opinons. Its all there !

          I really don’t know the answer to that question. All I know and all you can know is the “Lord” commandeth pedo-rape. And even the other day the “Lord” let his followers brutally die. Common sense will tell ya this “Lord, Christ, Holy Spirit” is a confused person firstly and the great demon secondly.
          —-
          Evidence: facts, not my opinions, not yours, but facts.

          But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • DMJo

          Not could not defend himself – did not defend himself. There is a difference.

        • Poodleguy

          Fact is, mr muzzie, your “religion” is a false concoction perpetrated 900 yrs after Jesus, the Christ by a dude named Mohammed, who was a pedophile. It is just the worst, most vile of all cults that believes committing suicide & killing innocent women & children is alright & you have a problem w/how Jesus died???????????Go hump a goat, you miserable POS!!!!!!!!!!!

        • chuckfreyer

          Poodleguy, after long analysis and detailed study, I must admit agreeing with Mohammad. Why is that?

          Well Poddleguy ,truth is that I didn’t realise it but it is true, Jesus was a just a man, a scammer that died like a coward. In fact he died in a “just” justice system of the time. No only scammers but thieves and murderers were crucified. Jesus was given a chance to repent but he did not.
          A “God” would be invincible.Alternatively, a “miracle” worker could instantly prove himself like any honest man does in any justice system. This man was a fraud, a villain, a con artist. His “miracles” were worse than Las Vegas amateur tricks (in Vegas, they also cut up people in two and resurrect them. Its called magic trickery). You can see “how” on Youtube thanks to Penn and Teller (who also do not believe in the scam artist Jesus).
          —–
          in fact the bible is full of pedo and slavery and murder that the “Lord” commandeth and committed. This Lord, Jesus, Holy Spirit is by any imagination – the Diablo. Think about it.

          Evidence:

          Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

          Numbers 31: 17-18

          17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

          18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

          The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

          But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (AstagfuruAllah)

          Numbers 31: 25-40

          25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

          26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

          27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

          28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

          29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.

          30. And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.

          31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

          33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

          34. And threescore and one thousand asses,

          35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

          36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

          37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

          38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.

          39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.

          40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

          In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

          The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)

          to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.

          So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

        • Poodleguy

          That’s a whole lot of rhetoric just to prove you are not just stupid, but damned by it as well!

        • mohammadislamic

          Poodleguy, I am shocked and saddened to see this evidence Mr. Chuck has shown us! Is it true? Immediate come and join our religion, now.

        • Poodleguy

          GFYS!!!!!!!!!!

        • DRLJR

          Islam was created around 600 years after Christ. Remember, Mohammed and his Armies invaded Arabia, North Africa, and Europe killing and imposing Islam on the people. Islamics conveniently ignore this history. Or the fact that Islam waged war against Byzantine Empire (i.e. Turkey) for 800 years until it finally was overrun. Need to keep the history accurate.

        • chuckfreyer

          DRRLJR, Islam was not “created 600 years back”. You are confusing it with the demon Christ and those after him that contradict an evil “Yehweh/Lord” by “creating” Christianity. Islam was there from the start.

        • DRLJR

          You really should read what was written – I was correct “Poodleguy”‘s typo of 900. Islam was created by Mohammed in the 600s – 600 years after the death of Christ. He wanted his god – the Moon god of Arabia to be the only god worshiped (similar to one of the Pharaohs who only wanted Ra worshiped). A god that is part of the Arab pantheon of hundreds of god. The Jews and Christians knew who Mohammed was talking about which why they rejected him. You really should learn some real history as well.

        • chuckfreyer

          DRLJR and you really should understand the above is incorrect. Allah is not the god of the Moon but the only God, the God of your life and the entire universe. But could I be wrong? I mean, could it be that the Yehweh/Lord/Christ/Holy Spirit/confused-being is in fact the God? How can we find out ?

          But instead of arguing it is incorrect, let me show you what your own family book of the demon, the bible says. Okay?

          “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • DRLJR

          There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. The word “Allah” is a contraction of two Arabic words that mean “the god”. It is not a name. Mohammed was a dedicated follower of the Arab moon god. You really should learn the real history of Islam. It is available.

        • chuckfreyer

          That is not so DRRLJR: but let’s focus – it still does not pardon a demon creating a religion and raping a young virgin Mary, does it ?

          Have you read the verses to the bible that clearly demonstrates it as the work of demons? Is there any doubt that Christ was a scam artist at all – that got trapped in Crucifixion incidence ?

          He is not the first – even in the U.S. other “Prophets, Sons/Daughter/Agents of God” (i.e. other demonic cults) have demonstrated the above (its basic human sociology) and like the Romans, the Government of the U.S. had something to state about “Reverand” Jim Jones, Bhagwan, Heaven’s Gate and other cults.

          Their trajectory curiously is the same as Christ and Christianity: pure evil (e.g. Jim Jones, Manson) or self-annilation so others “know them” like Heaven’s Gate! You’ve been cheated but the evidence is alll around , particularly in your bible – heck I’ve quoted it many times.

        • Dr. G

          Yeah, Allah is the last pagan god standing after Muhammad saw all others slaughtered, this is true.

        • chuckfreyer

          After detailed analysis of the bible, it occurs to be to be a fraudulent evil book and Mohammad is correct. But I put my detailed analysis and evidence above, and the reason I converted – have a look

        • Dr. G

          Sign – this is tiresome, but one more time. The Koran is, in essence, two parts. The first half is the peaceful Muslim, the one touted by our Islamic President. The second half is the bloodthirsty one pushed so hard by Muhammad. Why did the prophet (not emphasized on purpose) switch gears? Because he was getting zero traction pushing his moon god. So he went to the Bedouins, and it appealed to them . . . a god that let you rape, rob and pillage because the victims were not followers of the moon god? And the Bedouins still get to “heaven and virgins” (not told anywhere in the Koran where the virgins come from, BTW)? They took it hook, line, and sinker – thus, Islam was borne. The too obvious conflicts between the earlier writings and the latter are easily cast off by Muslims. The “newer” the writings the more true they are. In other words, of the earlier writings, “just kidding”. In the Bible, there is a clear differenciation between the more hard line Old Testiment and the New Testement brought to us by Jesus and the New Covenent. Muhammand tried to mimic this to justify the conflicts in the Koran, but without a Jesus (only a heaven bound horse) he fails. Muhammad is but a bloodthisty Hitleresque figure elevated to spiritual status. Hiel Muhammad.

        • chuckfreyer

          There is no tiresome about it. I do not offer opinion – just facts from the Bible. Your Lord is a sinner from the get go : endorses pedo rape (did you see my evidence elsewhere on this blog , quoted from your family [bible] ? ), rapes Mary, murders first borns, attempted murder of others; causes Adam and Eve to have incest with their kids to advance human life forms. This is a sick demon. Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • mohammadislamic

          But Dr. G , i looked at the evidence that Mr. Chuck put above and it is disgusting. Is it true what he says and I quote him:

          This evil Lord made Adam and Eve commit incest for the rest of humanity to be born?
          And that this demon “Lord” actually killed “first born” innocent kids?
          And he raped a virgin called Mary ?

          i can’t believe it.

          Chuck said:

          Jesus was a just a man, a scammer that died like a coward. In fact he died in a “just” justice system of the time. No only scammers but thieves and murderers were crucified. Jesus was given a chance to repent but he did not.
          A “God” would be invincible.Alternatively, a “miracle” worker could instantly prove himself like any honest man does in any justice system. This man was a fraud, a villain, a con artist. His “miracles” were worse than Las Vegas amateur tricks (in Vegas, they also cut up people in two and resurrect them. Its called magic trickery). You can see “how” on Youtube thanks to Penn and Teller (who also do not believe in the scam artist Jesus).
          —–
          in fact the bible is full of pedo and slavery and murder that the “Lord” commandeth and committed. This Lord, Jesus, Holy Spirit is by any imagination – the Diablo. Think about it.

          Evidence:

          Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

          Numbers 31: 17-18

          17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

          18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

          The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

          But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (AstagfuruAllah)

          Numbers 31: 25-40

          25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

          26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

          27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

          28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

          29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.

          30. And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.

          31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

          33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

          34. And threescore and one thousand asses,

          35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

          36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

          37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

          38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.

          39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.

          40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

          In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

          The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)

          to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.

          So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

        • Dr. G

          It would take too long to dismantle your house of straw, but you are not a Biblical scholar and make many, many interpretive mistakes. An example? In the Bible it speaks of how a rich man is like a camel that would have to pass
          through an eye of a needle to get to Heaven. If you are uneducated, you would conclude that it is impossible to get to Heaven if you are rich. A Biblical scholar would know that the “eye of the needle” was a term used for the hole-like passage through the wall surrounding a well or water source. The wall was to keep out camels, so that the water would not be fouled. But a small, crafty camel CAN navigate the opening to get to the water. The correct reading of the passage? A wealthy man can attain Heaven if he is wise. You make such errors over and over again as to cause nausea! You understand not the allegorical nature of Genesis. Cannot the Big Bang be any more eloquently put
          than “let there be light”? I suggest you take a course in Biblical Studies, then revisit your “research”.

        • drdbiggs

          Muslime: is this story in the Qweer’uns or not?

          Don’t know if you have ever read the Koran/Qur’an but this story is in there.

          This is my translation so you will have to tell me what you think. The actual
          translation is hard to understand so I wrote this to send to a buddy. He felt
          I knew a little about Arabs & asked me to explain why Arabs/Muslimes claim Jerusalem
          as one of their “Holiest Cities”.
          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank Ho’ by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • mohammadislamic

          I am not your slime else I would be a Christian because Christianity endorses slavery and rape. But in Islam we are all born warriors, individuals , equals. Did you read my evidence above that I got from Mr. Chuck?

        • drdbiggs

          Islamic born warriors?

          I guess that is why you all cover your faces so nobody can recognize your ugly faces.

          I guess that is why you hide behind women and children whenever you crawl out from under a rock and run like little bitches instead of fighting.

          I guess that is why you strap bombs on little children and mentally retarded to use them to murder innocent people.

          Muslimes are a pack of cowards, lemmings, and despots and those are just your good qualities.

          Your boy Khomeini married a 10 year old girl and said fathers should marry off their daughters before they see their first blood.

          Scum begets Scum!!

        • mohammadislamic

          drdbiggs, which is worse: your “Lord” making Adam and Eve have incest with their kids to propagate humanity or Khomeini’s words? Let’s both come to an agreement: your Lord and Khomeni can ram themselves up their backsides as both are great evils.

        • drdbiggs

          The “man of peace” Jesus or the stupid, pedophile, sadist, lying, Mohammed?

          How many hundreds of thousands of people did “The Sword of Islam Kahlid the Killer butcher and kill spreading
          the religion of peace.

          We can all agreed what a disgusting animal Mohammed was and equally perverted his religion is!

        • drdbiggs

          Why didn’t you answer me about what cowards and homosexuals Muslimes are.

          United States soldiers always show their faces but muslimes are always filmed scurrying around like little rats with shite filled diapers over their faces.

          We all agree Muslimes are cowards and have no honor.

          If a was a follower of a perverted sick piece of pig shite like Mohammed, I would be ashamed and hide my face!!

          If you religion is so great, show your faces when you crawl out from under your rock.

        • mohammadislamic

          I noticed that other dude UpChuck answered you in detail so I didn’t think I would have to. But Biggs – there are now 15 million of us as American Citizens (I only got mine a month ago or so)… here today and you are and will forever pay for us through our leader, your leader’s Obamacare, and also trillions to cover our liberation worldwide. That money doesn’t grow on trees. The government financed it using your debt -and every time you use the net, electricity, gas, any transaction in fact – I have newly learnt – you will forever be paying for us.

        • mohammadislamic

          Yes, all of us muslims are born warriors. That is why there are now 15 million of us as American Citizens (I only got mine a month ago or so)… here today and you are and will forever pay for us through our leader, your leader’s Obamacare, and also trillions to cover our liberation worldwide. That money doesn’t grow on trees. The government financed it using your debt -and every time you use the net, electricity, gas, any transaction in fact – I have newly learnt – you will forever be paying for us.

          What do you think of that?

        • mohammadislamic

          but Allah is my God and not a pagan at all. He is the last one, the first one and the only one ever standing.

          If you look through the evidence Mr. Chuck presented above, you will see the bible is no work of God nor the Christ a child of the Almighty (Allah forgive me for putting such foul words: as if you would have have a child – what silly notion that these christians have).

        • DRLJR

          I will take Allah of Christians over your Allah of Islam any day. The Christian Allah is a father sacrificing himself to protect and redeem his child – in this case his creation. The Allah of Islam is a violent deceiver based upon the teachings of Islam. Christ voluntary sacrificed himself as a redeemer. If you are going to try and criticize you should take the time to learn the theology first. Try reading the Koran and the Christian Bible and learn the theology and history.

          As I pointed out “Allah” is not a name. Just like the word “Elohim” is not a name but means “provider”. “Allah” means “the god”. It can be Hubal, Wadd, Zeus, Baal, Aphrodite, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, etc. depending upon the speaker. Which god are you referring to? Islam is the worship of one god of a polytheist religion. In this case the Arab moon god. Thus the phrase “Allah Akbar” when properly translated means “The god is great”. Islamics fail to proper translate.

          You should take the time to learn the real history of Islam and its actual roots. And its teachings.

        • chuckfreyer

          DRLJR but how can you take the demon called the “Lord” or Christ or Holy Spirit or whatever other state of demonic possession and confusion over the purity of Islam? I converted and so should you . Mohammad (the dude above) is correct. Listen DRLJR I admit that in the past I didn’t realise how true Mohammad is but it is true, Jesus was a just a man, a scammer that died like a coward. In fact he died in a “just” justice system of the time. No only scammers but thieves and murderers were crucified. Jesus was given a chance to repent but he did not.
          A “God” would be invincible.Alternatively, a “miracle” worker could instantly prove himself like any honest man does in any justice system. This man was a fraud, a villain, a con artist. His “miracles” were worse than Las Vegas amateur tricks (in Vegas, they also cut up people in two and resurrect them. Its called magic trickery). You can see “how” on Youtube thanks to Penn and Teller (who also do not believe in the scam artist Jesus).
          —–
          in fact the bible is full of pedo and slavery and murder that the “Lord” commandeth and committed. This Lord, Jesus, Holy Spirit is by any imagination – the Diablo. Think about it.

          Evidence:

          Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

          Numbers 31: 17-18

          17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

          18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

          The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

          But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (AstagfuruAllah)

          Numbers 31: 25-40

          25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

          26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

          27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

          28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

          29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.

          30. And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.

          31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

          33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

          34. And threescore and one thousand asses,

          35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

          36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

          37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

          38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.

          39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.

          40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

          In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

          The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)

          to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.

          So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

        • DRLJR

          The standard convenient misrepresentations. The Bible reports both good and bad that people did.

        • mohammadislamic

          I am shocked at the evidence Mr. Chuck has put above. Immediately change and join our religion DrLJR. Mr. Chuck has stated your bible word for word – it can not be a misrepresentation .

        • DRLJR

          I have done my own research,which includes reading the Koran itself, so I know what Islam really is and who it founder really was and its history. It is easy to find the facts if one looks.

        • mohammadislamic

          Well neutral parties like Professor Richard Dawkins has done his research into your religion , published as “God Delusion” and has found Christianity to be a fraud (puts lots of evidence in there). Who is to be believed ? A university professor with world wide credentials and reputation or “Christ” ?

        • DRLJR

          Sure he was neutral. The Left and those in colleges have been attacking Christianity for decades.

        • chuckfreyer

          Yes, but it reports the bad this sinner you call Lord did. Its a demon. Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • DRLJR

          And just think this current section of the post started because I pointed out to Dr. G that the word “Allah” is not a name but a contraction of two Arabic words that when properly translated are “The god”.

        • quarkie009

          You are a fool of the nth degree multiplied exponentially.

        • chuckfreyer

          But the dude above Mohamamad is correct. I have converted and wrote above about the reasoning above and below in other posts- have a look.. you are going to be thrilled

        • CelticRune

          Troll ALERT

        • Hydro

          When your Allah comes face to face with God Almighty I wouldn’t want to be in ( who you believe to be God ) shoes. Our Lord Jesus Christ took the punishment that was meant for all of us sinners. He defeated Satan by decending into hell and rising from the Grave on the Third day. Your going to get a surprize when you die – there aren’t 72 Virgins waiting for you – It isn’t to late for you to come to the fact Jesus is Lord of all .

        • mohammadislamic

          Your “Lord” took punishment? Who are you kidding? A God does not “take punishment from human beings”. Wake up man! He was an imposter. Think hard about this.

        • Jane18

          You are wrong! HIS name is YHVH, pronounced yah’veh, HE is I AM THAT I AM. Yes, HE was beaten, yes HE was crucified on a cross, and why did HE go through all that? For all of us, even you mohammadislamic… You will find out one day, then you will see “WHO” the real GOD is!! By the way, I trust HIM every minute, of every day.

        • mohammadislamic

          How can I be wrong? I quoted your bible above that Christianity endorses slavery and rape. But in Islam we are all born warriors, individuals , equals. Did you read my evidence above that I got from Mr. Chuck?

        • Jane18

          There is no way you will ever accept the Truth………………..just know that someone did try to tell you, you cannot say we didn’t. No more “pearls of wisdom” for you …or Chuckie!

        • drdbiggs

          Don’t know if you have ever read the Koran/Qur’an but this story is in there.

          This is my translation so you will have to tell me what you think. The actual
          translation is hard to understand so I wrote this to send to a buddy. He felt
          I knew a little about Arabs & asked me to explain why Arabs claim Jerusalem
          as one of their “Holiest Cities”.
          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • invalidnametwo

          If there was ever a total misunderstanding (OR LIE) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you have won the prize!
          Allah – is a.k.a. – Muhammad – is – a jealous of Jesus Christ, rebellious, child molesting monster who had to FORCE people to swallow his doctrines of hate.
          Have you successfully lived your works based cult’s demands? Because if you so much as failed, one iota, there is NO FORGIVENESS from the DEAD, Mr. Muhammad, a.k.a. allah, – & I don’t mind telling you, even if you believe in the theology of going out & blowing yourself & innocent children & women up – you’re STILL on your way to the Father God’s alternative to His Paradise.

          You can sacrifice til’ your face turns blue, you can put your anal cavity in the air on your little rug, 24-7, you can make your silly pilgrimage & meet up with all your god’s other terrorists & haters, but your destination of Hell changes not.
          Jesus Christ, with instruction & LOVE OF GOD, did what He did on the cross because after centuries of His Creation “going through the motions” of FAILED & DECEIVING sacrifices & works, – (like you do now) – fulfilled what He’d always knew He’d have to fulfill. By giving Himself – for us, the only, real, acceptable, meaningful sacrifice to His creation, FOR HIMSELF to Finally Satisfy His Immense Love for His Creation.
          Tell me, aside from leaving you with thousands of pages of “instructions” and “works” – three fourths of which you don’t even understand and don’t even “properly” follow, just what did Muhammad a.k.a. allah, do to assure you’ll be at God’s side when your FLESH is DEAD?
          You didn’t even read the article and write your responses without FAILING your precious Muhammad’s a.k.a.allah’s, instructions. Your sin, literally causes you to rebel against your own salvation in your own works based lie. You cannot win that game that Billions of people have tried to do!

          And I’m more than certain, in my own response, I failed God’s desired way of me talking to people like you. The difference is, I told God, I KNOW I CAN’T PLEASE HIM, & I KNOW I NEED WHAT HE DID – Not what I do – to please Him, & for that, HE gave us – Christ Jesus, who speaks to God, on our behalf, & tells God, “yes (or no) Father, he really wants to please you, he’s just made some of the same idiotic mistakes we knew he’d make, so I come to you for him, & ask you to save his soul.”

          To which, since the Son, does what the Father does, & the Father does what the Son does, God save’s our sorry, but humble rear ends!
          You sir, are just WRONG, & it saddens me that the simplicity of the Gospel, has been distorted for BILLIONS like you.

        • mohammadislamic

          Thank you for giving me the first prize! But I do not “lie”. it is against my religion and Allah would punish me.

          I give you quotes from your own book of the demon: have a look in your family bible.
          —-

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

        • invalidnametwo

          And thank you for acknowledging you deserve the prize for your lies – mudhamad a.k.a. will no doubt service your body organs for such honesty.

        • mohammadislamic

          But I didn’t put up any lies. I put up “facts” babe. Facts.

        • COMALite J

          What kind of Muslim are you? As I understand it, Islam highly reveres Isa (“Jesus”) and faithful Muslims even use “(pbuh)” (Peace and Blessings Upon Him) after all references to Him as they do for Muhammad himself. They do not believe Isa to be the Son of Allah, but do believe him to be the greatest of Prophets (even above Muhammad or at least on a par with him), born of the Virgin Maryam (thus his full title is “Isa(pbuh) ibn Maryam(pbuh)”) as the Masih (Messiah), and that it is he, not Muhammad, who will return at the Last Day to defeat the Masih ad-Dajjal (false Messiah, Antichrist). Isa is mentioned by name five times more often in the Qu’ran than Muhammad is

          I cannot imagine a properly taught faithful Muslim even thinking, let alone typing, your second paragraph, unless you were making fun only of the idea that Isa was the Son of Allah or Allah Himself, or that he died by crucifixion (as I understand it, Islam teaches that Allah miraculously caused someone else to look exactly like Isa, and that person was crucified in his place, and that Allah took Isa bodily alive unto the heavens), not of Isa himself.

        • Poodleguy

          Much simpler, it is just another word for “SATAN”…….

        • DRLJR

          In my opinion that would be inaccurate. Idols do not always involve the worship of Satan. Someone worshiping a statue is not necessarily worshiping Satan but just a piece of stone.

        • Hydro

          That is an incorrect statement as it is an Idol and in the Bible it states any Idol Worship is sin – since Sin originated with the Devil ( IE:Satan) you are in effect worshipping the maker of the Idol Satan.

        • DRLJR

          A sin yes, but that does not mean the person is worshiping Satan. Getting drunk is a sin after all.

        • Dr. G

          Hydro, yet if they knew not it was an idol because they had never heard of Jesus, they get a pass. In the Bible idol worship is referenced as those worshipping the image is doing so with the full knowledge of Christ’s saving grace. It is not the idols themselves that get them damned – it is the rejection of Christ. Idols come in many forms, from the Golden Calf in the time of Moses to a bloated bank account of today. Care must be taken.

        • Dr. G

          True. In fact, the Bible references the question, “can a non-Christian get to Heaven”? It is answered in several places, and hinges on whether or not the person in question has ever learned the truth of Jesus or not. This was raised in Jesus’s day as well, because people were worried about relatives who had died prior to the event of Jesus. The answer is simple. Yes, they can, if they had been a good person living in a moral way according to their society. If, however, they had learned of Christ and had rejected him, all bets are off.

        • Dr. G

          Yes, and Muhammad took his god, mated it to the sword, and sold the bill of goods to the warrior Bedouins. They then ravaged throughout the Middle East, slaughtering all other infidels. You notice that the pantheon of gods you mention are virtually non-existant today in the Arab world. This is thanks to the faith genocide brought on by Muhammad. You will no longer see references to any other godhead in the Arab and Muslim experiance. They merely moved their moon god to the head of the class and call it God. The only remnant publically shown by Islam of the bloody legacy of Muhammad is the Crescent Moon atop the Mosque, much like the Cross is held in Christian circles.

        • DRLJR

          The pantheon is still worshiped in some areas. I believe they are the group that is taxed at 1/5 versus the Christian and Jews who were taxed at 1/2. Don’t remember the name of the group.

        • chuckfreyer

          See my reply addressing the above – throughout this blog in detailed analysis of the Christ.

        • drdbiggs

          This is my translation so you will have to tell me what you think. The actual
          translation is hard to understand so I wrote this to send to a buddy. He felt
          I knew a little about Arabs & asked me to explain why Arabs claim Jerusalem
          as one of their “Holiest Cities”
          Just helping people see “True Enlightenment” instead of following a
          stupid greasy sheep loving pedophile like crazy Mohammed!!

          Pretty good translation of his Midnight ride around the Levant, isn’t
          this!!

          Funniest story in Qweer’uns (Qur’an) is the:

          “Midnight Ride of Mohammed” ie Mira

          Mohammed rode a sheep or some such animal
          with wings (at least he didn’t use a carpet this time) around the
          middle east visiting “The Temple Mount” (Site of present day Mosque
          “Dome of the Rock”) in Jerusalem, I think he took in Damascus etc,etc
          but he did miss Disney World.

          He had tour guides and advisers like Arch angel Gabriel, (Gabriel gave
          him scores of revelations from Allah & pretty much appeared to
          Mohammed on a daily basis throughout the Qweer’uns)

          Now here is where it gets good, follow this closely:

          Gabriel escorts him to 1st heaven and introduces him to Adam and they
          high five with Adam saying “You duh Man!”

          Gabriel carries him off to the 2nd heaven where John the Baptist and
          Jesus greet him and tell him what a brother to them he is by spreading
          the true word! “You duh Man”

          Stay with me because it gets funnier.

          In the 3rd heaven, Joseph greets him with the same and wants to loan
          Mohammed his coat against the cold or some shite like that. “You duh
          Man” a common chorus.

          Mohammad and Gabriel journey on with the high fives and secret
          handshakes with other prophets in heavens 4 & 5 with, “what’s the
          haps”, “You duh Man”, “Party time” etc through out the heavens.

          He starts rapping with Moses in the 6th heaven and Moses is so
          overcome by what a stud Mohammed is that he breaks down & starts
          crying!! Tells Mohammed that he is so overcome with emotion after
          meeting him that his followers (muslimes) will enter Paradise in
          greater numbers than my (Moses) Jewish followers.

          Now that’s a slam on Jews from the guy who brought the Jews back to
          the promised land from “We gypted U” Pres Obozo. Mohammed didn’t have
          much use for Jews even when in heaven!

          But I digress.

          On to seventh heaven to continue his rapping with Abraham!!

          I told you this is funny!!

          So he is rapping, shuck & jiving, and receives visions about how many
          times a day he has to kneel and smell the butt cheeks of the guy in
          front of him while beating his head against the floor shouting,
          “Allahu Akbar”.

          Islam is a homosexual religion but the young BOY and girl virgins
          waiting in paradise as described in the Qweer’uns is another funny story
          I will tell later sometime. 72 virgins for every martyr.

          Mohammed whines and says his Muslimes can’t do Neal and Bob 50 times a
          day espoused by Abraham and like a little bitch runs back down through
          the heavens pissing and moaning to everyone he can flap his gums to.

          Moses says, “Do Neal and Bob” less times a day because I already have
          tested this praying thing out on the Jews and they can’t even do it,
          so go back to Allah and ask for your sentencing (praying) time to be
          reduced.

          So Mohammed returns to Allah and gets doing Neal and Bob reduced to 40
          times. Mohammed snivels back to Moses. After much back and forth
          between Mohammed and Moses, further whining and groveling by Mohammed,
          he only has to do Neal and Bob 5 times a day per Moses.

          Mohammed tells Moses that he has been such a whining, sniveling little
          bitch boy that he can’t go back and plead his case to Allah for only
          doing Neal and Bob 5 times a day.

          Allah overhears Mohammed whining and knows what weak scum suckers
          Mohammed’s followers are, that getting 5 Neal and Bob’s out of that
          piss poor group is as good as it gets.

          Party Time!! Mohammed descends through the heaven’s drinking wine and
          Fawty’s (40 ounce malt liquor) with all the prophets he had just met
          with his new right hand man, Gabriel.

          So back to Mecca after this long night of partying and drinking short
          dogs ie “Getting Shorty Out of Jail” (slang for buying a bottle of MD
          20/20 or a “short dog”; is used by resident street “dwellers”)

          The Quraysh (nasty Jew scum hassling Mohammed and giving him no props)
          scoff at him and say they don’t believe his story of rapping with all
          the great prophets and Allah etc. Traveling all this distance in so
          short a time w/o even carrying an AMEX card. etc, etc

          Mohammed says:
          “I will describe Jerusalem to you to prove what happened is not a lie!!”

          Wrong move Mohammed!!
          Nobody, even the Muslimes have ever said he he was the sharpest knife
          in the drawer!!
          Trying to bullshite Jews, Jewish tribe of Quraysh, about the layout of
          Jerusalem!!

          2nd Wrong Move!!
          Mohammed does this travel report (sitrep) in front of his motley band
          of curs and idiots!
          His descriptions of Jerusalem were not altogether convincing.

          He is proved to be such a liar and fake that it causes his motley crew
          to start rioting and telling him what a fake false prophet he is, he
          is a moron etc.
          Some of them even abandon their faith and become Jews
          on the spot.
          Well, go back to worshiping the black meteorite or some similar such
          tripe they do now days in present day Mecca.
          Not to bright these Arabs are as a whole!!

          Anyway, Allah consoles Mohammed, Qweer’uns 17:60, but causes Aisha,

          (who he married when she was 6 but held off til she was 9 to do the
          “dirty deed”, favorite main squeeze throughout Qweer’un cause she is
          young and skinny/attractive ie trophy wife Aisha was/is a big cause of

          Sunni vs Shia conflict. Regarded as nasty skank by Shia.)

          and Mohammed to later claim “it’s only a dream, it’s only a movie”.
          Mohammed says he was just kidding as it wasn’t really a
          bodily/physical move, really more of a nightmare.

          (This is funny scary that these “butt nutts” actually believe this and
          is the foundation of the Islamic claim to Jerusalem as one of the holy
          cities of Islam.)

          This incident inflamed his already “poor” relationship with the Jewish
          tribes. (Pesky darn Jews, always calling me a stupid stinking Arab
          sheep lover, I’ll get them eventually if it’s the last thing I do!!)

          And that ladies and gentlemen is the Midnight Ride of Mohammed!!

        • mohammadislamic

          Biggs – , that man Upchuck just creamed you… he is whipping you in his responses ! I love this ….

        • chuckfreyer

          I answer Dr. G below – have you seen it?

      • Mr Bob

        Actually it was Saint Paul that said it’s OK to lie

        • jon

          the first to lie was Satan when he was thrown out of heaven with the rest of the fallen ! in islam it is stated that as long as the person is not of your tribe or sect then a lie is not a lie !

        • Dr. G

          Again, your thought process is breathtaking in it’s ability to be myopic. First you misquote a Biblical reference, and then speak not on the Koran’s edicts of Taqiyya which allow you to lie, blaspheme, and in essence cause any atrocity in the name of the pagan moon god Allah. I would enjoy viewing an MRI of your frontal lobes.

        • chuckfreyer

          I answered you above and in a detailed way on other posts above why Christ is a demon. Have a look.

        • Dr. G

          If one is to say that Christ is of the supernatural, then there is agreement. After all, the Kingdom “is not of this world”. But to imply an imp or demon status on Jesus is a bit disingenuous, I’m afraid. It is easy to say such things as Mother Teresa is a broken old whore living off the souls of the downtrodden – yet much, much harder to prove without straw men and circular argument. Was Jesus an anathema to some? Indeed, the evil spirits cast into the swine would agree with you. But not many others will, and you should take care lest you join the ranks of the deceived and true evil. For others out there take heed – pure evil will not come with fire, brimstone and a pitchfork. Rather, it will arrive beautiful and wrapped in the trappings of all you lust for and desire. Discernment.

        • chuckfreyer

          Give yourself a break.. “of the supernatural”. Who the heck are you kidding? The beast was a human being that was a professional scam artist. We can compare him to other very similar scammers today with Huge followings like Sai Baba that also does all the Christ miracles (i.e Vegas tricks to convince the flock).

      • DRLJR

        I point out that based upon what I have read is that “Allah” is not a name but means “the god” and people appear to lose it.

      • chuckfreyer

        You lost the election… TWICE! We voted in the son of a muslim. We are here to stay forever.

        By the way, that Christ is a demon. Did you see the evidence I submitted elsewhere yet?

    • cherokee_warrior

      kalli, you have said it so well. Schieffer is a long time member of the POS club, the leader of whom is Obama. It takes practice to lie without shame.

    • Devasahayam

      You recognise that Schieffer actually lives to his employer’s command of “See BS” right?

    • Jimmee41

      Schieffer is: “Lib…Drib ” at its finest!!!!

    • flameinhair = flamegonesilver

      AMEN KALLI!

    • chuckfreyer

      This is a nation of all – including the 15 million Muslims here, 200,000 in the armed forces and the son of a muslim is your leader, voted in not once, but twice !

  • Ralph

    A lie is a lie. There is no excuse. Only an idiot would lie when he can be doubled checked. I like this verse because, it is their final resting place, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelations 21:8 No wiggle room.

    • Mr Bob

      You mean like in person voter fraud? Obama being a Muslim? Obama being born in Kenya? Not going to Harvard? Teabaggers are idiots then (which everyone already knew)

      • Silas DoGood

        I see you are talking about your mama again, hey Boobe!!! She is working her way through the football team again….

        • hmmathis

          I think I knew Mr. Bob’s mother when I was at CU in 1960. She serviced the entire Sigma Nu fraternity on a pool table in the frat house basement.

        • Mr Bob

          You must be mistaken but I suggest we get off mothers because my Doberman just got off yours!

      • Brenda

        Have you forgotten the woman in Ohio that bragged about voting for obama eight times, she was tried and convicted of voter fraud. And that is just one case of convicted voter fraud from the last election.

        • DMJo

          He’s not forgetting; just ignoring.

        • chuckfreyer

          Not ignoring but statistics reality: In all elections there is some voter fraud. But statistically it is INsignificant because it gets evened out on average by large masses voting. (Side note that is irrelevant here: Also those that commit fraud get tried eventually.)

        • Frank Carter

          How about 100% of the voters in one district voted for Obummer. Philadelphia. A democratic strong hold. A lot of welfare spread around there. I used to work in Phila.

        • Mr Bob

          Mittens got 100% of the vote in a number of districts in Utah? Obama got 95% of the black nation wide so it’s not surprising he got 100% of the vote is some all black small precincts

        • michael

          and the first zero got the vote in precincts where over 100% of the registered voters voted. (spelled out for you…numerically impossible) Vote fraud and nothing else explains those outrageous tallies.

        • Mr Bob

          What explains those tallies is the sheer stupidity of teabaggers because it NEVER happened!!! Show me a shred of evidence of this happening.

        • voncile fullwood

          Don’t have to explain about voters fraud<Florida did not even get counted because they went door to door telling them they were sent to pick up their ballots in the south had it not been fraud Romney would have won.Florida carries the most electoral votes that is why it was not counted and in Romney home state they were not counted so if you are in denial that is your problem

        • chuckfreyer

          if the above was true, you can prove it in the Supreme court. Why don’t you? Answer: because the above is false!

        • voncile fullwood

          why would I want to go to court and prove it.I don’t need the court to tell me something I know to be the truth

        • chuckfreyer

          because it is not the truth but if it were then you can prove it in court .

        • voncile fullwood

          guess someone didn’t want this to show so they scrambled it guess they did not like what I said

        • COMALite J

          Uhm, what was that supposed to be? Don’t try to use HTML if you don’t know it.

        • Hydro

          How does it explain 125% of the vote in Broward County Florida – that means either many voted twice or someone stuffed the boxes – How is it that when many voted for Romney the vote automatically went to Obama – sure there only machines and they foul up – then why didn’t even one foul up the other way around – there are Democrates in Indiana , Illinois, California that are being prosecuted for VOTER FRAUD -So far everyone that has been prosecuted has been sent to Prison. Why don’t you check and see where the Voting Machines were made and who counted the votes – but Stupid is as Stupid does – therefore you won’t take the time.

        • Brenda

          I liked the 156% vote for obama in FL my self. So much for irrelevant.

        • Mr Bob

          she voted by absentee ballot so that’s not inperson voter fraud.I have asked many times for you wingnuts to post ANY evidence of inperson voter fraud & as of yet not a single one of you teabaggers has been able to do so and you ALL deny the mountain of evidence that proves inperson voter doesn’t exist beyond 1 vote in 15 million!

        • michael

          She also voted in person and as multiple people. you may try to twist the facts, but it just leaves YOU twisting in the wind.
          ‘course you seem to have no shame, so keep exposing yourself. It amuses us

        • Mr Bob

          show me 1 shred of evidence that inperson voter fraud exists beyond 1 vote in several million. Their isn’t any!

        • Hydro

          If what yoiu say is true why don’t you shut your mouth and prove what you say is the truth – where do you get youir facts oh Brilliant Moron.

        • Centurian2010

          To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

          More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

          There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

          More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

          True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

          Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

          This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.

          California: 49,000
          Florida: 30,000
          Texas: 28,500
          Michigan: 25,000
          Illinois: 24,000

          12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

          The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

          Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

          The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

        • COMALite J

          Do you know the difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud?

        • grammy23

          Research “Project Veritas”. They are the people behind exposing Voter Fraud among other things the Democrat party is doing.

        • chuckfreyer

          In all elections there is some voter fraud. But statistically it is INsignificant because it gets evened out on average by large masses voting. (Side note that is irrelevant here: Also those that commit fraud get tried eventually.)

      • Centurian2010

        Off point comment again.

      • DMJo

        Just do an internet search and you will find several instances of people voting several times IN PERSON and being caught. Interesting that they are all Democrats….

      • Frank Carter

        You have your head up your coolo. Or maybe your on well=fare you POS. Got your computer with food stamps?

        • Mr Bob

          Frank, I’d be willing to bet my cars are worth more then your house.

        • grammy23

          Surprise…..Another Liberal wealthy hypocrite. If you’re not a bottom-feeder liberal then you must be one of those tight-a**ed guys at the top telling all the rest of us to “spread the wealth around”.

        • Mr Bob

          I don’t consider myself a hypocrite as I’m not saying “spread the wealth around”. What I am saying is it’s a crime for children to go hungry in this country & we don’t need more welfare what we need to do is transfer some of the money we spend on corporate welfare to social welfare & we could end hunger in this country

        • Glenn H

          Sell some of your cars and donate that money toward feeding the hungry, Bobbie!

        • DRLJR

          Few Liberals believe in real charity. That is what the government is for in their opinion.

        • Hydro

          That may be true but yoiur opinions aren’t worth a Wooden Nickel

      • Art Perez

        How the hell do you find your way home bob? you’re as stupid as they come.

        • Mr Bob

          Malibu is a small city so it isn’t too difficult

      • Tina Anthony

        Then quit sucking there nuts Bob

        • Mr Bob

          Tina, I’ve always wanted to meet a hillbilly chick to find out if it’s true that you can suck dick & chew tobacco at the same time & know what to spit & what to swallow or if it’s just something hillbilly men do

        • grammy23

          What? Did you want her to ride her horse to your house in Malibu so YOU could try this out on her horse?

      • timpclimber

        Obama’s website just took down the Free Health and Dental Care invitation and replaced it with low cost. Just one of the 215 Obama lies I’ve cataloged since 2009. They didn’t even show the common revision notice that most websites use to notify users of a change. And I’m proud to be an informed, active Teabagger who is still waiting for his college and University credits and registration information to be released. I have had to get official copies of mine sent to every job I’ve ever held in the past 40 years.

      • sassyj

        and your inane point bobby?

      • bonniewheeler

        Who knows if Obama is Muslim – He did say on one occasion that he was Muslim and on another he said he was Christian. I heard him both times. . I suppose what he is depends on the congregation he’s speaking to

        • mohammadislamic

          He is one of us. That’s why all 15 million of us muslims voted for him.

      • Ralph

        Bigot – One intolerant of or prejudiced against those of differing religious beliefs, political opinions, etc.

        Since you seem to lump all people in one group as ignorant, liars, etc., then you must be a bigot. I refuse to argue with bigots for they will make up facts, lies, to prove their points. I’ll give you the same advice my Grandpa gave me. It is found in two places in Proverbs. 18:13 – ” He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” and 17:28 – “Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.”

        If you disagree with someone, discuss it and you will not have people shut you out when you open your mouth the next time. As far as voter fraud, it does happen as well as stealing someone’s vote. Remember a reporter was able to get Erick Holder’s voter paperwork which would have allowed him to vote as Erick Holder? Think about it before you respond.

      • Hydro

        If it wasn’t for voter fraud Obumnuts would not be sitting in the WH – your man would still be a Fake no matter where he goes – why would someone spend Millions to keep his past secret if not for the purpose of hiding the fact he isn’t an American – why would anyone spend the monies this Fake spends on luxury vacations when so many people due to his ignorance of creating Jobs ( IE: Keystone Pipeline) He closed the peoples house for tours out of spite – he has done all but eliminate our Military Moral – letting Queers marry – Not allowing Christians to speak their faith – reducing the Military to a resemblance of a third world country – Stick with the Fake and see where it gets you once the People have had enough of his crap -

    • pj4me

      Amen. Good “final resting place” for those who have betrayed our blessed America — Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12 Too many have betrayed America and turned their backs on God, and now, sadly, all of us suffer the consequences. There are always innocents who get caught in the crossfire. So those politicians who have LIED TO AMERICA will ultimately pay the price for their intentional deceits and lies.

      • chuckfreyer

        But this nation was founded as secular – meaning the Lord was cast out for the first time . I have converted and wrote above about the reasoning above and below in other posts- have a look.. you are going to be thrilled.. you’ll discover the “lord” was always a demon.

        • DRLJR

          The foundations of this country are based on Christianity. You really should take the time to read what the founders actually wrote. This idea of this country being secular, as secular is currently defined, is inaccurate. It has only been promoted since the Progressives/Left started re-writing history.

        • chuckfreyer

          Absolutely not otherwise Christ would be mentioned in the constitution. It was the first nation to throw him aside as a secular nation. That was the final decision – the beautiful unGodly constitution.

        • DRLJR

          As I said “You really should take the time to read what the founders actually wrote.”. I did not say the country was theocratic as any country based on real Islam is but “based on Christianity”. Christianity teaches equality, forgiveness and a host of other positives. And a key aspect is the understanding people are not perfect. You need to take the time to do some real research.

        • chuckfreyer

          Its the most anti-Christian nation on earth at its finding. America not only cast out the Christ, but cast out Christmas too ! This nation is based upon “reason and logic’ , and Christianity is the opposite: it is mythology.

        • DRLJR

          I see you have bought into the Progressive education system’s lies. As I said go back and read what they actually said and wrote. Take the time to learn and study for yourself. You may actually learn something.

        • chuckfreyer

          DRLJR, “everyone is a liar”, even the education system, even all scientists. But magically you know the truth!

          The beauty of education is one can prove the truth. The truth as it is known is Christ was a liar. The evidence as you can see is he could do “no-thing” to beat back the Romans. He was a coward and a scamster.

          The evidence in your bible shows your Lord is a demon that commands pedo-rape.
          Check it in your family book of the demon: the bible .

          I really don’t know the answer to that question. All I know and all you can know is the “Lord” commandeth pedo-rape. And even the other day the “Lord” let his followers brutally die. Common sense will tell ya this “Lord, Christ, Holy Spirit” is a confused person firstly and the great demon secondly.
          —-
          Evidence: facts, not my opinions, not yours, but facts.

          But let’s look through your family bible, that your kids and family holds onto see the one you call “Lord” endorses pedo long before he raped Mary to have Jesus:

          “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

          “….The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children….””….According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day,because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]….””Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…..””A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…..”The detailed quotes, elaborations and bibliography are in the next section below

          Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4]. Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

          A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.” And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility. If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

          The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

          “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man… But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood.” [137] According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.” [138]

    • chuckfreyer

      A lie isn’t just a lie. Its not black and white. A CIA agent undercover, or FBI undercover in the Hell’s Angels had to lie. it is one of the oldest tricks -and just to – in the book to penetrate, observe. I have converted and wrote above about the reasoning above and below in other posts- have a look.. you are going to be thrilled

      • Ralph

        Lie – An untrue statement intended to deceive; falsehood. Anything that deceives or creates a false impression.

        To tell a lie for good, is it still not a lie? Does the Bible give any leeway? One of my Aunts always asked me how her dress looked before we left for Church and I would always be honest with her. She told me once that she would rather ask me for she knew I would tell her the truth. She told me to remember Proverbs 27:6 “Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” Think about it and you decide. I’ve already decided. Have a good day.

        • Guest

          Today your Lord killed a bunch of Christians in North Carolina – have a look at the news , then cast this demon aside. Please.

        • Ralph

          My brothers and sisters in Christ might have left this world but I shall see them again. It is a promise in 1 Thessalonians 4:12-18 KJB. Yes the Lord took them home but I still have my hope and faith. As to the demon you speak of, I do not know it for I did not say anything about a demon. Well?????

  • jsmithcsa

    I don’t know of a single poll that has ever showed majority support for Obamacare. And yes, the polls are rigged and they STILL can’t get a majority. I think that says something about the lack of popularity of this HORRIBLE law.

    • Mr Bob

      There is no limit to what you “don’t know”! Did you know that we had an election that the GOP ran on repealing Obamacare & they got buried in a landslide? Did you know that Obamacare then passed the house, senate & supreme court & now its a law?

      • johnco5454

        you mean a law of the land like the defense of marriage act , the one Obama disregards, or the laws about illegal aliens he also disregards, seems to me the sob cherry picks the laws he likes and disregards the ones he doesn’t maybe the rest of us should try that to.

        • Myrtle Linder

          Boobie just got on this site and has those who do not know him answering and egging him on, he is nuts, ignore him. He will make such stupid remarks 20 t0 30 a d day to get people riled at him. He thrives on hate.!!

        • Mr Bob

          Oh, another couple of things you obviously don’t know… Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any president in history & the Supreme Court overturned DOMA

        • pj4me

          Yeah, I really hate paying the IRS, so I’ll just disregard it. LOL

        • Tina Anthony

          If every one stoped paying them what could they do? NOTHING!

      • Valor

        Just because it is the law does not mean the people have to like it, especially when they never wanted it in the first place, and it was shoved down their throats by a single political party that has only one real purpose, and that is power over the people. A people that ignores what Obama and Company have in mind for them deserves exactly what they are going to get.

      • LroF5LFjiB

        Passed by Democrat majorities in both chambers that cares so little for the people they didn’t even care or know what was in it! Just had to have they’re way like spoiled godless derelict children they are!

      • wade

        It wan’t a landslide and Obama had help from the IRS and NSA. He stole the election.

        • Mr Bob

          You dipshits need to put the cuckoo back in the clock.

        • Frank Carter

          I strongly suggest no one respond to this idiot. He is an illiterate who apparently watch’s the Lame stream media. You know who I mean, the channels where the CEO’s wifes are on some committee with Obummer. Enough said about this POS.

        • pj4me

          Yes, BO sure did steal the election — voter fraud was fine-tuned for 2012. When you get 100% of the votes in many swing state districts, THAT is impossible! And when you get 156% of the votes, THAT is impossible. And when you get more votes than there are registered voters, something is drastically wrong. Corruption and voter fraud kept this man in the White House.

        • Mr Bob

          You nipshits don’t understand facts but here they are & If you don’t trust the messenger (because it’s ain’t fox) check the sources

          http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

        • DMJo

          Fact: Obama received less votes in 2012 than McCain received in 2008. In other words, Obama is less popular than McCain. It also means that a LOT of people who voted for Obama in 2008 stayed home rather than vote for Obama. Obama received 332 electoral votes to Romney’s 206 electoral votes. That’s only a 4% lead! Hardly a landslide.

          You want to talk of a landslide, talk of the 1984 election where Ronald Reagan got 525 electoral votes to Walter Mondale’s 13 electoral votes. That’s a 95.2% lead. Now, that’s a landslide!

        • DRLJR

          And he cites a known Progressive site. It is like the couple that tried to “debunk” claims about Mr Obama. Of course, they were shown to be liars and exposed as die hard Obama supporters.

        • Mr Bob

          Only in “teabag land” would someone suggest Obama is less popular than McCain. Particularly when Obama buried McCain in a landslide in 2008. 332 to 206 is 4%? Did you flunk math? That looks like 68% to 32% to me!

        • DMJo

          Didn’t flunk math. Just quoted the popular vote margin instead of the electoral college margin. The 4% margin was the difference of the popular vote 51% to 47% in the 2012 election.

          I did make a mistake about Obama getting less votes than McCain got. In 2008, McCain got 59,950,323 votes, compared to Obama’s votes in 2012 of 65,917,257 votes. Percentage-wise, that is not very much margin.

          The number of electoral college votes in the 2008 election were Obama 365 to 173. That is not a landslide. A landslide is the 1984 election when Ronald Reagan received 525 electoral college votes to Walter Mondale’s 13. That is a landslide. Did the Democrats act like Reagan had a mandate? No. But he clearly did.

          In the 2008 election, Obama received 69,499,428 popular votes. In the 2012 election, Obama received 65,917,257 votes. Over 3.5 million voters did not support Obama a second time. Clearly, he’s not as popular he was in 2008, and the only reason he won was because Romney was not conservative enough. Don’t say I’m dreaming about that last part. I’ve heard a lot of people say they stayed home because Romney is a RINO and Obama is worse.

        • Art Perez

          Get a clue bob, better yet stop seeing the world with Obozo rose colored glasses on.

      • TAM44

        Well, SFB not one republican voted for obamacare CRAP because the DEMONCRATS had all three house. They are the ones who shoved this obabacare CRAP down our unwilling throats and that butt kissing chief justice john roberts said it was constitutional, well he’s wrong and so are the rest of the DEMONCRATS who didn’t read the bill before it was passed. That ugly as moochele obama nancy pelosi made the statement we have to pass this bill so we can see whats in it, no you liberal piece of human waste you’re suppose to read them first.

        DEMONCRATS are all sons and daughters of Satan, Rino’s are closet DEMONCRATS.

        • pj4me

          Recently the name I’m seeing for democraps is ELFs. I don’t use the word, but had to laugh at this one. Evil little F’ers. ELFs. LOL

        • DMJo

          How about Evil Little Fearmongers?

        • Mr Bob

          The Dems shoved it down your throats AFTER annihilating the GOP in not one but TWO elections!

        • Tina Anthony

          Do you understand that they passed it with out knowing what was in it? that is illegal! Are you just on here just to be an asshole????

        • DMJo

          Well, John Roberts said the individual mandate was Constitutional because it is a tax. You know, the tax that the Democrats said wasn’t a tax, and it says it shall not be treated as a tax – which SHOULD nullify the individual mandate!

      • Marlin208

        A landslide of dead and illegals voting for the fairy king.

        • Ron G

          If Mr Bob wants to see a landslide, he should look at the number of votes for those commenting on this comment verses the votes for his comment.

      • pj4me

        If it wasn’t for SCOTUS Roberts betraying the Constitution, there would BE no BOzo-care law. He CHANGED the bill to appease BO’s socialist agenda. He CHANGED the bill to fit what BO wanted — in order to get it through the SC. Remember, it was a penalty? Oh, no, it’s a tax. A penalty? A tax? Heck, Betrayer Roberts met with BO behind closed doors several times BEFORE the actual “decision” came out about BO care. YEAH, Roberts was threatened. We all know how the Democraps, liberals, and Obama operate.

      • Brenda

        500,000 votes do not make a landslide. And yes it did pass a democratic majority house without one republican vote, was not read because pelosi told her fellow dems we have to pass it to find out whats in it, it also went through a democratic controlled senate and Roberts rewrote the law. As it is the altered law passed. The president does not have the autority to pick and choose which portion of the law he wants to suspend.

      • Centurian2010

        Ha ha ha ha! Bob is proof that misery loves company as he strives to make everyone else as miserable as he is.

      • DMJo

        First of all, nothing “passes” the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court rules on laws; it does not pass them.
        Second of all, the SC said that the individual mandate penalty is constitutional because it is a tax, which Congress is given the power to do. Funny though, the Obamacare law says the penalty shall not be treated as a tax, so doesn’t the SC ruling nullify the law? Just saying

      • Tina Anthony

        Do you know that it is an illegal law because it was put through against the will of the people!!! Do trolls like you remember WE THE PEOPLE ? It was an unpopular vote and the senate and the house voted it in illegally because they went against their constituants and the constituency are the bosses, THEY WORK FOR US NOT US FOR THEM……!..!..! Obama the imposter won through fraudulent means, ever heard of 140% voter turn out? How about 100% of the votes in any district going to one candidate? it is impossible, there are always going to be some that vote for the other candidate. There are people in PHILADELPHIA PA that came forward after the election and stated that they voted for ROMNEY ! ! When the officials stated that there were no votes for Romney. There were voting machines that were reported that when one pushed the button for Romney registered the votes for ODUMBASS !!! SO BOB EVEN IN YOUR WARPED MIND YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT Obama WAS VOTED IN BY VOTER FRAUD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • DRLJR

          The first violation of the US Constitution of the PPACA is Article 1 Section 7 Paragraph 1. The bill was a Senate originated revenue raising bill.

      • Frank Carter

        Evidently you are apparently so stupid. There was never a vote on Obummer care in the House. In fact the republicans were not even invited to vote. This was all done in the senate and not one person who voted for this abortion knew what was in it. Now you know the truth you moron.

      • Jaime Perez

        Did you know (probably not) that NO republican voted for this monster? The liberal democrats/socialist are not voting or supporting Obamacare – they know it is a bad law – THEY are supporting Obama!
        These mentally retarded people have their head so far up Obama’s x#%+ – they are wimpering with patronage. It is like a religion! These
        people are dangerous. The terrible thing is that they are helping to
        destroy this country – and their children’s future – and do not even
        know it. How stupid and how sad!!

    • cherokee_warrior

      One of the last polls that I saw showed that 72 percent of Americans were not in favor of Obamacare. Just heard on the evening news that if a family of four, adults age 45 and two kids age under 12 sign up for the second choice plan, they will be paying over $700.00 per month. A single man, age 35 would pay over $260.00 per month. Outrageous, and the call this the Affordable Health Care Act? Balderdash.

      • Art Perez

        Dont forget the $5000 deductible, its like not having any insurance at, unless you a very sickly person, no one will ever reach the 5000 deductible.

        • DMJo

          That’s what insurance should be – only for catastrophic health care. I’m not defending Obamacare, but just pointing out that health insurance has turned into what it never was meant to be = a “health care plan”.

        • Art Perez

          Well if you have 5000 laying around to pay, more power to you bro, I dont, and I dont think majority of americans do either, or can afford to pay that. Face it this insurance serves no one but the insurance companies and the government, certainly not the people!

        • DMJo

          I agree with you, this insurance serves no one but the insurance companies and the govt. So why is the govt. forcing people to have it and why is this insurance plan approved by the ACA?

        • grammy23

          And remember the statement Obummer made about no family having to go bankrupt? With these high out of pocket costs and deductibles you won’t ever reach the point that insurance pays their part unless you indeed have a serious illness or hospitalization and then you have both the outrageous premiums and deductibles to worry about, not to mention these insurance still don’t cover 100%. This entire law had nothing to do with affordability or access. It was a way to tax almost every American (other than Obama’s low-income voters) and companies. Remember “REWARD YOUR FRIENDS, PUNISH YOUR ENEMIES”. Guess all Middle-income working people are the enemies now.

  • mike slaney

    What should we expect of mentally ill Liberals?

  • Proudamerican

    Of course no one is aware that cbs is a bought and paid for station for the dem party right?? NULL AND VOID!!! Just like oblama!

    • Devasahayam

      Doesn’t the pronunciation of its name (see bs) give that away?

  • John Cherish

    Why tell the truth when a LIE will do

  • Scott remy

    Maybe he meant to say that most Americans “he” knows want Obankruptcare. Clearly a large majority of Americans do not want this folly because it is another thing that haves will have to pay for the have not’s, also known as the lazy and leaches.

    What is scariest about this story is that too many people believe this story. The same way the hoax of Global Warming took root and now most people know it was all a hoax but yet we are living as though it is still true with all the green talk and regulations dictating businesses. It’s simply sickening how stupid our people have become and we have the teachers unions to blame for that.

  • dcartmill

    . There is only one way to handle “Ignorance” (Read that Mr Bob ) and “Liberal Trolls” ( Read that Mr Bob ) Oh ,I repeated myself . They have never had an original thought ,say hello and they are stuck for an answer. . You must IGNORE them or they win, because
    if you argue with an idiot (Read that Mr Bob ) will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. Additionally, if you argue with an idiot (Read that Mr Bob ),by-standers may become confused as to who is the idiot.

    • Mr Bob

      Who’s ignorant here? It’s not like we didn’t have an election in which the GOP ran of repealing Obamacare & got buried in the process. It’s not like Obamacare hasn’t passed the house, senate & supreme court.

      • kimjim4042

        FRAUD, dead people voting, dead dogs voting, fixed voting machines, illegals voting, yep you bastards won.

      • flatland

        Not arguing with that. It just proves the point about polls and low info voters. Heard it, did not believe it, voted for it, now unless they are one of the 47M getting a subsidized freebie, it’s “Oh crap!” What did I vote for??!! That’s the reason no poll has a majority approving of ObamaCare. Oh, BTW, here is how its really working. “When money for the law’s Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan ran out earlier this year, this was played off as another unanticipated implementation hiccup. Enrollment was cut off, denying some40,000 applicants still waiting for coverage. Yet lawmakers knew funding for this program was insufficient when passing the law. Even the CBO warned that $5 billion in funding was far too low. ”
        Knew it wasn’t truthful in cost. Did not care. First step towards single payer system and creating a new block of dependent voters.

      • clumpylumpy

        And that is why the Repubs won the House back because Pelosi and her idiot remark “you have to pass it to know what’s in it” IDIOTS!! Did you already forget the biggest protest to ever occur in Washington when this thing was going on??? And then, THE PEOPLE were even more outraged with this monstrosity when it was “deemed to have passed” by the Senate, which was finagled behind closed doors in the middle of the night (the way most criminals work). The House is another working part of our government that is doing the job they are supposed to do and put an end to this nightmare. That’s what we put them in office to do…the same goes for Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. You watch Harry Reid (the most disliked congressman EVER) lose his place, the Senate will be won back by the CONSERVATIVES in 2014. I’m glad the govn’t is shut down then they can’t keep wasting money!!!

      • pj4me

        O’Bob, you must be old and senile because you already told us this: “Did you know that Obamacare then passed the house, senate & supreme court & now its a law?”

        So you just RESPIN the comment and repeat it: “It’s not like Obamacare hasn’t passed the house, senate & supreme court.”

        Maybe you better call it a day and go night night.

        • Jonathan

          pj4me (and all the others sucked in by MrBob) – Bob is a known TROLL. He enters conversations like this regularly with off-the-(padded) wall comments to incite responses such as yours. You waste your time trying to explain insanity to an insane person, one who probably giggles with glee at the success of his ruses. All of the posts that appear under the MrBob flag say the same things, only the facts are changed to make any comment even more outrageous than it was the last time it was used. I see him (her?) sitting in a dark room somewhere, wearing sunglasses, probably floating in a cloud of smoke, MSNBC tuned in on the TV that is on 24/7… giggling and diddling… Parents of children living in his neighborhood keep their children inside after dark. He pokes his head outside briefly to let his pink poodle soil the lawn of the poor soul living next door. Proof is coming – watch. He’ll be calling people names next. TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!

          (this is a re-post of a comment I made before – as you can tell, since MrBob has already entered his name-calling phase)

  • 1jam

    What difference does it make? obama bin laden is pushing his agenda regardless what the taxpayers prefer. Because that is how a dictatorship functions.

    • TAM44

      obama’s goal is to destroy this country for his murdering muslim brotherhood, and the DEMONCRATS are all in to make sure obama succeeds,

  • Iceman47

    Bob Schieffer is a tool and has been for quite some time. I would venture to guess that any independent thought this man has ever had in his career has died of lonliness. There is nothing else that can begin to explain why this empty headed pundit is still in front of a camera. He merely repeats what he has been told to say and if necessary to lie to emphasize his point. He is definitely a tool and not the sharpest in the shed at that.

  • tom

    This is why whenever I refer to CBS I emphasize the “BS”. The news media has so discredited itself I am amazed anyone watches except perhaps like my parents who do so as a matter of habit for the past 80 plus years. When they are gone who will care what these liars say.

  • John Cherish

    The fact is Obama administration has created more jobs, It is too bad they are service sector low paying part time jobs that limit your hours to 30 and force the cutback of other workers hours by 25%. so that the individual has to buy health insurance on their own. You ask yourself who did this Obamacare law really benefit, The Insurance companies, the big companies, congress and the Unions. It did not benefit the working man as a matter of fact it has hurt them It did Not lower premiums by $2500 per family as promised it will increased them by $4000 per family according to the OMB. Have hours been cut then why are 3 major unions sending letters to the president seeking exemptions from the law. Why did congress exempt themselves from it if it is so good. Not good enough for them but we will shove it down your throats and don’t you dare try to stop us or we will call you all kind of disgusting names. This Obama care act is all about government control and nothing else

    • umreb78

      While I agree with most of what you say, I must ask for clarification on one point. You stated “the Obama Admin has created more jobs”…more jobs as measured by what exactly? Obama’s corrupt mouthpiece Jay “I cannot tell the truth” Carney is fond of saying that Dumbo has created more than 7.5 million jobs over the past four years. Really??? If he’s created that many jobs, how is it that there are now 3.2 million LESS jobs in America than when he took office?? Oh. maybe like this…his policies have cost the economy 10.7 million (mostly middle class) jobs, but oh thank heavens, he has created 7.5 million (mostly poverty level and part-time) new jobs. And the ever growing no information and low information voters, manipulated by the patently dishonest Obama propaganda wing we call the MSM, actually BELIEVE THE CRAP THAT COMES FROM THE REGIME’S LYING LIPS. These people wouldn’t understand the concept of the labor participation rate if their lives depended on it. I pray that sometime soon, the day will come when reasonably informed and intelligent Americans will descend on the HQ of every MSM corruptocracy with pitchforks and torches. Sorry that reference will be completely lost on most of the dumbed down populace that has allowed the ascension of King Barry.

      • pj4me

        You’ve made excellent points! EXCELLENT! Sadly, the “stupids” (the LOFOs) in America are dragging ALL of us down with them. We have been hit in the crossfire. We are trying to defend ourselves, but the commies have infiltrated our government, and I just don’t see any HOPE for any CHANGE back to our America. The “fundamental transformation” has taken place!!

      • DRLJR

        And when one looks at the “out of work” rate versus the “unemployment” rate we are at Great Depression levels. People need to remember this quote “There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.” by Disraeli.

        To give an example of the difference take a work force of 100 people of which 80 have jobs and the 20 who do not have jobs qualify for unemployment insurance. The unemployment rate is 20% and the out of work rate is 20%. Now after a period of time 10 of the 20 no long qualify for unemployment insurance. The unemployment rate is now 10% but the out of work rate is still 20%. Then when the last 10 no longer qualify for unemployment insurance the unemployment rate goes to 0% even while the out of work rate is still 20%. The unemployment rate is deceptive.

        • umreb78

          Extremely well put DR…Question for you though. Any ideas on how to present this very thought to the roughly 60% of voters in the USA who are either completely clueless (due to the MSM) or just too uneducated to grasp even this simple concept??? While the Left is clearly a major enemy of American values, the MSM is perhaps even more dangerous….Great post, Sir or Ma’am…

        • DRLJR

          Thank you. The example was inspired by an email a friend sent to me with the subject

          Abbot & Costello explain the “Unemployment rate!”

    • LroF5LFjiB

      And my max out of pocket expenses will almost double next year! Gee that’s affordable!

      • pj4me

        And my insurance went from $300 to $1200 a month. I couldn’t afford that because BOnomics took my job, my credit, my house, my car, my retirement, my future, and now my insurance. Then he gave it to the illegals! That makes a lot of sense. Well, it does to a socialist, Marxist president. Give the illegals everything they want so he’ll have a PERMANENT Democrap voting base for decades to come.

    • bluealiendevil

      Congress did not exempt themselves from it, LaBamba did that!

  • USARetired

    We already know all the MSM are a bunch of O’Boao @ss kissers, so why does anyone pay attention?

  • Greggie

    Stop watching the mainstream networks, stop supporting their advertisers if you want to change it! They want to push their bull, don’t buy in to it.

  • Reelman1946

    The vile pawn media enablers of the apostles of socialism are required to sell their naturally toxic policies that have rotted nations for decades all over the globe…the dim media hacks never ever ever learn…

    same ole bold lies, demons, smears and fantasy promises…
    anything to avoid reality or debate…anything…

  • ChristCrusader

    People tune in and accept his word and they assume it to be true, never checking the actual stats. He knows this. It takes three times the effort to undo an accepted lie. It takes hearing the truth, subsequently accepting the truth, and admitting to yourself and possibly others that you were duped.

  • Archangel

    “We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward
    those who disagree with us.”- VLADIMIR LENIN

    “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer
    of the masses” ~ VLADIMIR LENIN
    Bob Schieffer is a good little Communist!

    • Meathead

      Yep, him walk the line for the Ovomit Administration. You’ll rarely hear the truth from the Communist Bullshit System.

  • Meathead

    The “low information” mindless iditot voters who put Ovomit in the White House get their news and views from POS’s like Shitffer

  • Little John

    This law needs to shutdown, who is going to pay for all medical bills? Where are you going to get all medical people to handle all new people added to your exchanges? In my area, we have two doctors quitting because Obamacare. The leftover doctors will have to increase their case load or we have to travel more miles for care. The two nursing homes are shutting down because the payment from Obamacare is going to be cut in half. How would you like if your boss said today we are going to cut your wages in half?

  • Pupito4u

    Maybe OLD Bob can use HIS 0bammycare to have his dementia treated? Don’t worry Bob, WE’LL pay for it!

  • Meathead

    “Non-essential personnel” will be furlouged. WTF?? If they are non-essential, why have them in the first place? Awaken Citizens to what is really taking place!!

    • Guest2

      I would be outraged if I were one of those labeled as ‘non-essential’ – I can’t even imagine what these people are feeling; but then again, they work for the ‘government’ and realize that’s is exactly what they are.

  • ecpguitar

    How can CBS, ABC, and NBC as well as the LEFTIST so called newspapers really classify themselves as “news outlets” ? They are no better than PRAVDA that was the State newspaper for the former Communist Soviet Union. The way they slant the news to favor the Democrats day in and day out should make them ashamed to even pretend they are dispensing impartial news. Of course with this President, Pravda fits the bill !

    • DRLJR

      Actually, I believe Pravda was more accurate and honest, even in the USSR times, than the current media we have here is.

  • AlRetd

    Why shouldn’t they lie they have the perfect lying mentor in the WH! Truth is evidently a Christian value and since the administration telling the truth is forbidden here in Muslim America.

  • Meathead

    Ovomit NEEDS to be shutdown!! Permanently!! Get that Kenyan-born horse hiney out of the “People’s House” BEFORE he destroys the economy.
    TRUCKERS will ride October 11,12 & 13. If you can’t be with them, be on an overpass somewhere with an “IMPEACH OBAMA” sign.
    First, came the bikers. Now comes the truckers. Next may come several million well-armed Americans to pull the elitist trash kicking and screaming out of the Capitol and White House and hanging them on light posts. Worked for the French!

    • Valor

      The latter is what it will take. Remains to be seen if America still has enough real Americans left to do that.

  • Valor

    What should we expect? We live in a nation ruled by liars, supported by a media that lies instead of reporting the truth as the First Amendment Freedom of Speech intended. History shows that when any nation or civilization reaches this level of corruption it is doomed.

  • LEE [email protected]

    The DEOCRATS thinks that everyone is so dumb that they don’t know why they want OBAMACARE what they really want is SINGLE PAY EVEN DINGY HARRY ADMITTED THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT after OBAMCARE fails.

  • Dr. G

    Even those who lie and can be fact checked don’t care – it is a Catch 22 for Character. You see, an honest person cares if others find a flaw, especially if deliberate. A dishonest person cares not. Schieffer obviously cares not as well. Think of an honest person obeying all the gun laws until virtually unarmed with the weapon locked in a case and the ammunition in another room – then, think of the crook with seveal loaded firearms secreted on his person while wholeheartedly supporting the latest weapons ban. Is the image of the media clarified yet?

  • downs1

    When you believe a lie, you are simply living outside reality with all the attendant consequences. Fools believe lies! Many believe they can never be deceived because they are “too smart!” Bob Schieffer is obviously one of these. They are precisely the ones who can be deceived, and millions are! It is amazing that so many of the national media personages are also deceived! There are consequences that go with this arrogant attitude, and Ralph has neatly summarized those consequences from Revelation 21:8!

    • Valor

      Yeah, and we have far too many fools in this nation.

  • bdcorvette

    Scheiffer is no dummy. At one time I had some respect for him, but no longer. I propose to all of you that he was threatened with being put out to pasture if he bucked the party line. In capitulating to the network, he just became another tired old and irrelevant man like Dan Rather.

  • Nikita63

    Mainstream reporters are full of excrement and not to be respected when they are caught time and again in distorting the truth or manufacturing favorable stories about this sordid Congress and President when they SHOULD be interviewing LIVCE Americans on a totally impromptu basis in the street of our cities and towns and in the places where those fortunate enough to have private sector jobs actually WORK. You will NOT find that much in ANY Federal job and half the time the bums are absentee, taking their cues from the congress! Schieffer is not blind or deaf or dumb, he is indoctrinated and afraid, as are all those in the media. and, it is one of many changes to be made by Voting out every incumbent and de3manding Congressional indepensde3nt oversight by a citizen watchdog group at EVERY po9lling place in the country during the mid terms and counting EVERY vote, including the absentee votes cast by the military regardless of when they are shipped or received. There is fraud involved in doing the dirty to the troops and we MUST stop that in particular in respect for those whose service IS the mainstay of what freedom we have remaining, NOT the scurrilous machinations of the Administration in general and the Emperor in particular.,

    • mohammadislamic

      Im still here. You asked me to go back to wherever I am from but I just got my citizenship of your countree 3 weeks back. So “where I am from” is right here on your door step… babe!

      • Nikita63

        Show up on my doorstep and you will likely die there.

        • mohammadislamic

          Not really, if you kill me there, then under the law of the U.S.A, you will be put behind bars in a small jail cell where every night the sodomites will gang r*a*e you (fill in the blank) and your cell mate will put his big black job both up your rear end and in your mouth to feed you milk (does it have calcium) ? You will gag on it every night.

          I want this to happen so tell me your exact address. This is win-win: I go instantly to heaven thanks to Allah, whereas you go instantly to jail for diurnal male r*p* thanks to the U.S. government ! Let’s do it !

        • Nikita63

          Every American has the right to defend his home and property against invasion by any unauthorized party with no reason to be on the property. You have been forewarned that My property is just that, MINE. You are not welcome here. If you violate that law and I even think you are a threat to me or my family, all the law in the world will not help your worthless backside. As far as sodomy and likely pedophilia and child molestation go, that is a part of Islamic culture, not mine. You are pathetic as are all of those savages.

        • LifeisSoGood

          Don’t fret these uneducated, toothless pedophiles. Wish to keep these mutts off your property? Just border your property with pigs blood and place a sign of such in full view. I doubt these cowards would cross your land, and if they try, they will attempt so cautiously. This will allow you better aim!
          We must preserve ammo after all. Make every one count!
          Better yet, a water blaster filled with same, if used on your property, will have the same effect with no legal ramifications.
          That’s the difference between those bottom dwellers and us. We have something they will never have, intelligence. We don’t need to resort to ‘violence’ to win.
          After all, they do value their pagan liar over all else.

        • Nikita63

          You are absolutely correct and I thank you for the reminder. It is noxious to me to listen to the senseless drivel of those who would destroy all we once had. but, it is difficult not to react to the negative stimulus such slime supplyin nearly infinite quantities. And, you are further prescient: I will indeed make every one count! always good to hear from you, LifeisSoGood.

        • LifeisSoGood

          And always love the silent smile I get from reading your honest, straight forward comments.
          Many times you’ve said just what I was thinking.
          Keep up the good work Nikita!
          Peace to you and yours!

        • Nikita63

          I am flattered and honored you should think so. I am not the brightest star in the sky but my magnitude is far greater than those running us into ruin and I am not afraid to do two things; Say what I mean and mean what I say. I prefer peace but it war comes….. I WILL be ready. I have been exposed to it and all its insanity and cruelty before far from here in both time and space. I have not forgotten, nor WILL I EVER.

        • LifeisSoGood

          Yet again you speak my mind. :-)
          For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
          I stand ready.

        • Nikita63

          And again, shoulder to shoulder. I am in the Shenandoah after a pleasingly uneventful trip South. It is most restful to be far away from those mumbling, unintelligent , inartiiculate and ludicrous liberals with which the entire Commonmisery of Massachusetts is terminally infested. I need this trip at least twice a year to maintain mental
          health; especially since Obamacare is ruining our healthcare system on a permanent bvasis as he has ruined the country on a permanent basis. He had a lot of help from liberals, profgressives and Marxists but they are in for a rude awakening in upcoming elections. I can hardly wait.

        • Nikita63

          LifeisSoGood: I thank you for the reminder and the defense strategy and you may rest assured that your last admonition is one I will absolutely follow to the letter. I agree with your assessment that we need not resort to violence and would not left to our own devices. However, I am convinced that will NOT be the case and we WILL have to resort to their preferred method for solving Every problem; especially with Non-Muslims though they are equally AS ADEPT AT KILLING EACH OTHER AS THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US! We will be providing a public service in eradicating as many of them as possible if they wish to make an issue of it, as they inevitably WILL.

        • LifeisSoGood

          You’ll get no argument from me. In fact, I’ll be at your side doing the same.
          Just a simple suggestion to handle the idiots who think they are more than they are.
          Sometimes we can take an easier road, but when required, take the absolute road!
          I stand beside you brother!

        • Nikita63

          And proud to have one such as you beside me, brother I am leaving by car tonight from my Massachusetts home for 2 weeks in Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley near McGaheysville, about ten miles outside Harrisonburg. Things may be a little iffy trying to return pending developments in D.C. by the idiot in chief and his murder of crow-like morons but, I refuse to live my life in fear or be intimidated by the actions of the morons in Washington or elsewhere. I will do whatever I must to come out in one piece and I will go if I have to , the way I lived, fighting for those things I believe to be right and NOT the dictates of the swine in Washington, Geneva, Moscow , Beijing or anywhere else.

        • LifeisSoGood

          I wish you a safe and enjoyable trip! Don’t let anyone stop you. As I say, Life is short. Eat dessert first!
          Make sure you go ready for anything!
          I am heading back to the ICU where obamacare is trying to kill my mother. Every day has been a fight. Started with the closest hospital being on bypass due to obamacare to the under-staffing at the one she’s at now for same. Since she’s ‘old’, they’ve made it clear the new rules don’t allow ‘too much’. I’m sure it would be different if she was an illegal alien, muslim or out of DC.
          Good thing I have a mouth! lol
          Keep us in your prayers.
          Peace to you and yours.

        • Nikita63

          The same to you, my friend. I am watching the Red Sox paste Tampa Bay to the wall and then headed South. I can appreciate your scenario. I have a 93 year old mother in a nursing home in the dementia unit with severe Alzheimer’s but my brother is her executor and I need to get away for awhile. The question will be whether or not I can get back depending on what develops put of D.C. while I am in the Shenandoah. I suspect the trip down will be uneventful; who can say what it might be like on the return? I have a laptop along with me but don’t know how effective it will be as it is an older XP program and connections are tough in the mountains. Still, I am likely to continue comments if reduced while I am away. Fair winds and following seas for you and yours. It is an old mariner’s blessing where I am from.

        • mohammadislamic

          you don’t even know the law of your land nor what goes on in your jails!!!

          You can’t shoot me for being on your door step , babe.

        • Nikita63

          Show up on my property and see what happens. I have nothing I wish to say to you that has not been said. Save me the trouble out of putting You out of Your misery, Leave now or drop dead, it’s all the same to to me and, take Chuckie babe, With you!

        • LifeisSoGood

          This waste of space is back? Boy he’s a glutton for punishment.
          You do know this dweeb and chuckyfryer are the same person don’t you?
          Just letting you know. Enjoy your vacation!

        • Nikita63

          I rather thought so but the creature from the black lagoon does not admit to such and I could not be sure. Since Freyer seems to me to be a Jewish name, I thought it odd for this trash to be posing as something he probably is not just to get his rocks off since he obviously has nothing better to do with his time. Thanks for your good wishes. I may try to get into D.C. for the Truckers gathering to arrest Congress; I don’t know that they can be successful but, someone needs to do something besides sit in the halls and on their hands looking stupid while the country goes to hell in a handbasket.Maybe a few size ten combat boots in the butt might spur some reasonable action out of these misfits; BUT, I DOUBT IT. They want respect but what they have EARNED is disdain, and, deservedly so! Who knows? Maybe this impromptu vacation will be indefinitely extended? Well, here’s my chance to fight for the New Confederacy!

        • mohammadislamic

          Please give me your address. I will fly to wherever this weekend. I will show up which is my word as a muslim.

          Let us meet eye to eye, man to man on your doorstep.

        • LifeisSoGood

          You will not go to your pagan liar if you’re sprayed with pigs blood before your trip, will you. I also suggest if you are going to stay in our great country you learn the laws.
          Unlike that sand trap you come from, our laws do not rely solely on an idiots word. There are many laws that cover a person to take care of a problem with no legal ramifications. I thought you would have learned this in the Zimmerman trial.
          Oh, I forgot. You must have comprehension skills to understand. My bad.
          I see you have quite the fantasy. Have you often dream of these actions being done to yourself? You must. You describe them so exact.
          I’m with you! Thanks to the U.S people. Did you forget OUR government is actually the PEOPLE? Something else you never had the ability to do.
          So? LET’S DO IT!! :-)

        • mohammadislamic

          “Stay in our great country” ? I got my citizenship 3-4 weeks back , this my country now!

          Freedom? You have spent over 3 trillion for my and my brother muslims’ liberation. For the rest of your natural life you will be paying muslims through inflation and taxes calculated into every purchase you make forever, including electricity as you “read this”, food, gas, everything; even when you earn or sell.

          Yes I therefore “agree” – give me that freedom, more and more.. .cause have paid, and your family will pay directly with your time, energy , days for ever. IN fact if you do the accounting, it works out that every 1-2 days of your life out of every 7, you work for free , for us muslims. Thank you. Allah praise you.

        • LifeisSoGood

          You’re getting your alter personalities mixed up. You’re quoting yourself from a comment you sent to someone else.
          I understand. It’s from being uneducated. Hopefully since you are here, you’ll take advantage of our GREAT education system we have. Unlike your country, men and WOMEN can go.
          Yes, America did try to give the ignorant, cowardly muslims a chance at freedom. At the time, you claimed you wanted it. Obviously not.
          I don’t mind paying for it. Not at all. See, that’s what America is. A GENEROUS GREAT nation that helps those stuck in third world countries with no running water, electricity or even a proper home. Countries that are so stupid they allow their dictators keep all their money and live in posh mansions while the peasants, like you, piss in your own drinking water. Lay around in huts smoking heroin out of hookahs. Guess that’s allowed to keep your mind off your hunger.
          In America, if you’re hungry, just knock on anyone’s door and I’m confident they will feed you. Even if they only have a little themselves. That’s what makes America GREAT!
          What you have not realized yet, it seems, is the free ride is over. It will only last as long as this failure is in office. We only help those who want to help themselves and obviously you don’t want to.
          Isn’t this why you came to America to begin with?
          I’m sure you recently heard the American people DEMAND funding for countries like yours be cut off. You know it’s coming when even LIBERALS are making the same demands. Enjoy it while you can. We understand you are ungrateful and hateful toward the help we give you. Don’t worry. We won’t force our help with food and other necessities any longer.
          Please keep talking. The more you do, the more Americans are rising up against you.
          I’m not sure about this ‘allah’ item but God DID praise me. That’s how I have the funding to help poor little warfs like you. That’s how I am not hungry, have a very nice home and income and live in the GREATEST country on Earth. So GREAT that even YOU came here!!
          PRAISE GOD!!

        • mohammadislamic

          Thank you. In fact more and more Americans are becoming muslims as the ‘f-a-s-t-e-s-t’ growing religion in the U.S. according to the Dept. of Def. website ! I love it so much. And our muslim leader, of the whole world voted by you (I only got my citizenship a month back) with his Obamacare means all 15 million of us American citizens that are muslims are now looked after by you. So a huge T-H-A-N-K-Y-O-U babe !

        • LifeisSoGood

          You’re more than welcomed. We Americans are pure of heart thanks to being a God fearing country. Even our money says “In God We Trust”.
          Over 80% of Americans are Christians. We are a Judeo-Christian society. Since we are already an overwhelmingly Christian nation, we can’t grow faster. What you fail to recognize is those muslims that immigrate into American culture fastly turn to Christianity. They see the pagan pedophile for what he was and turn to the one only true God, the God of Abraham.
          This is the main reason muslims come to America. To flee from the oppressive, pagan ‘religion’ of muslims. That is why you came to America after all.

          What do you mean by “of the whole world voted by you”? Don’t you know the Military vote was disenfranchised? Besides, unfortunately the whole world hates obama. Can’t really blame them though.

          Besides, Obama is a Christian. He has stated this repeatedly. Are you calling him a liar or are you one of those conspiracy theory kooks? (I vote later)

          I wish you luck with obamacare. IF you can sign up, you will be the only one. Don’t worry though. America is so great we will take care of you with our welfare system since obamacare will implode soon. We understand you don’t have the education to find a job so we will care for you like the baby you are.
          So you’re more than welcomed sweetheart. Glad to know you finally understand your place.
          See? God DID bless even you. He allowed you to come to the greatest nation on the Earth, America!

    • chuckfreyer

      You lost the election… TWICE! We voted in the son of a muslim. We are here to stay forever.

      • Nikita63

        I’ve lost nothing I cannot recover as long as I and other American citizens who are constitutionally COMPLIANT AND LOVE OUR COUNTRY AND HAVE SUPPORTED IT THROUGH THICK AND THIN ARE WILLNG TO FIGHT TO MAINTAIN IT. WE WILL:! You may think you are here to stay but under Sharia Law in direct opposition to all constitutional principle and practice, NONE of you can be trusted to comply with our laws and you are therefore in the sight off many of us, NOTbe trusted and We Will not Allow you or Congress or the president or any combination thereof to ruin us more than they ALREADY HAVE! You know where you can go.

        • chuckfreyer

          Yes – you’ve lost completely. You will “not” fight else you will be thrown in jail with Sodimites r**ping your a*al hole , for treason,for daring to fight the U.S. of A. [unless you mean advocate ]

          You represent nothing but yourself and you lost a long time ago.

        • Nikita63

          Keep talking turkey, Replying to such as you isa study in futility and a waste of breath. You will NEVER take this country. End of Story.

        • chuckfreyer

          Too late. Already done. Even right now the son of a muslim voted in twice is knock knock knocking on Congress’ door: give in or else… and watch as the son of a muslim, leading 15 million muslims in our nation, the U.S.A. , the nation of the muslims wins Obamacare, babe.

        • chuckfreyer

          Nikita, first this is our nation already – you voted in the son of a muslim at total leader! There are 15 million of us here and over 200,000 in your armed forces according to the Dept. of Def. But what you should be concerned about is Christianity – a fraudulent, fake, evil and demonic possession because of the new evidence:

          New evidence to prove this to you:

          God Hates Rape Victims

          It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to

          figs and from America to amputees. Let

          Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible,

          with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern

          liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses

          that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of

          Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates,

          namely, rape victims.

          If a virgin betrothed to a husband is raped, what happens to her

          depends on whether the rape occurs inside or outside of city limits. If it

          occurs inside, being raped is a capital offense:

          Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed

          unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then

          ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone

          them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being]

          in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife:

          so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

          Note that the reference to “evil” does not differentiate between the

          rapist and his victim, as John-3:16-only liberal “Christians” imagine that

          it might.

          On the other hand, if the rape occurs beyond city limits, she is

          blameless:

          Deuteronomy 22:25-27: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the

          field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay

          with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is]

          in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against

          his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found

          her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none

          to save her.

          We suppose that in a densely populated but unincorporated suburb

          like Bethesda, the former rule will apply. We should definitely err on the

          side of caution and stone them both to death, so that we can be sure that

          we are putting away evil whenever God wants us to do so.

          If a virgin is not betrothed, she is forced to marry her rapist, with no

          possibility of divorce, ever:

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin,

          which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be

          found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father

          fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath

          humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

          Note that it is her father who gets the fifty shekels. The rape victim

          herself is not even worthy to receive monetary damages.

          If a man rapes a slave woman who is betrothed to a husband, she is

          to be scourged, but all he has to do is to donate a ram as a trespass

          offering:

          Leviticus 19:20-22: And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that

          [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor

          freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death,

          because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto

          the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a

          ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for

          him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin

          which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven

          him.

          Further, with regard to prisoners of war, God explicitly gives

          permission for nonconsensual sexual activity:

          Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little

          ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But

          all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,

          keep alive for yourselves.

          Deuteronomy 21:10-14: When thou goest forth to war against thine

          enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands,

          and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a

          beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her

          to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall

          shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her

          captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her

          father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto

          her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if

          thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will;

          but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make

          merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

        • LifeisSoGood

          Do most of you have such vivid dreams of desire? Most of you describe in such detail what you wish would be done to you. Is it from years of being held down and sucking on a heroin hookah? Must be. Only way you can have such intense fantasies I can only assume.
          America hasn’t lost. You’re just hoping we will. Your kind seem to forget America and the government IS the people. The people have said no. I understand you’re not used to hearing it, but rest assured, we mean it.
          You seem to forget Americans need not resort to violence to beat your pagan idolatry. We possess something you never will, intelligence.
          Something as simple as a water blaster filled with pigs blood does wonders against idiots like you. Makes it easier to conserve ammo too! Not only will we take your life, we will deny you your virgins!! Something you can NEVER take from us, our faith and after life!!
          As I have suggested to other misinformed idiots like you, learn the ACTUAL law. There are MANY reasons Americans are allowed to ‘fight’. Didn’t you learn this in the Zimmerman trial? Apparently not.
          Keep pushing thinking you’re winning. You haven’t seen anything yet, but you will. Soon.

        • Guest

          I never said “America had lost”. In fact the opposite is true: America has “won” ! Won 15 million muslims and growing. Won the first President, voted in twice “the people have spoken” for the son of a muslim to lead the whole nation and world! America has won with over 200,000 muslims in our armed forces.

          America will also “win” , the son of a muslim has made Obama-care and is about to whip ass in Congress – its happening as I type and the son of a muslim will prevail if it is the will of Allah that looks after all of us.

        • LifeisSoGood

          You must have rose colored glasses on. What have we ‘won’? I guess you didn’t notice all the voter fraud that has been proven in the last election. Doesn’t matter. As you are seeing today, he doesn’t have the complete control as he thinks he does.
          What exactly has this SMALL muslim group added to America? That’s right, just more leeches on our welfare system.
          If obama is your representative of the muslim people, no wonder your losing all over the world. No wonder France has forbidden many muslim actions. No wonder other countries have followed suit.
          Obamacare might have been partisan passed. Doesn’t mean it will stay. One thing you forget. It relies completely on the young to join the exchanges. They are not. They are instead choosing to pay the $98 fine instead of $298 on premiums. Without their contributions the whole thing fails. It WILL fail one way or the other so don’t get your hopes up. One thing you must not know is the people ARE the government. America doesn’t want it. It won’t stay.
          I take it you don’t see all the REAL Americans rising up and saying no to the socialist takeover of our health care system. Winning the battle doesn’t mean you won the war.
          We’ve already seen the Democrats get their ass’ whipped by giving in and passing yet another funding bill.
          I take it you haven’t noticed we’ve had enough. You will soon.
          Since it’s God in control of America, it doesn’t matter what your pagan idol thinks or wants. Even says it on our money. In GOD we trust.
          God wins in America. Always has, always will.
          It’s just curious why if you love your ways so much you RAN from your home country to one that is the complete opposite. America is ruled under the Constitution. Always has, always will till time ends. As soon as you accept this fact, the easier you’ll rest.

        • chuckfreyer

          I never said “America had lost”. In fact the opposite is true: America has “won” ! Won 15 million muslims and growing. Won the first President, voted in twice “the people have spoken” for the son of a muslim to lead the whole nation and world! America has won with over 200,000 muslims in our armed forces.

          America will also “win” , the son of a muslim has made Obama-care and is about to whip ass in Congress – its happening as I type and the son of a muslim will prevail if it is the will of Allah that looks after all of us.

  • The Truth

    “ALL liberal, commie, marxist, progressive a-holes LIE !”

    ….and that’s the TRUTH !

  • RyansDad

    Didn’t watch, but one would think that the Congresswoman would have corrected him…..

    • Guest2

      I didn’t see it either, don’t watch that show. I agree with you, Marsha Blackburn is no slouch – she’s smart, well-versed and doesn’t take any attacks lightly. I could ‘almost’ guarantee she had a smart response.

  • LroF5LFjiB

    The lame stream media just keeps goose stepping to the tune (lie) that is put out by Dur Fuhrer Obama!

  • Adrian Vance

    If Bob Schieffer ever had a soul he sold it to the ghost of Walter Winchell who was a real “A-hole.” Bob is not even a butt plug compared to that man. All major media is corrupt and has sold out to power because they were too stupid to use the new technology to enable even greater marketing. Look at all the new billionaires who had that capacity! These dinosaurs brains died in alcohol during WWII.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative,” http://adrianvance.blogspot.com When you speak ladies will swoon and liberal gentlemen will weep.

  • J J

    When facts inconveniently oppose liberal (media or politicians) agendas, lies are expected!!!!

  • Ree

    One more station I only watch the show sometimes but shut off all adds so I don’t buy anything advertised, keep up the good work and we won’t have to watch you at all

  • Marilyn Z

    Schieffer knows who butters his bread…he might be left, but not totally brain dead. Even a dog knows not to bite the hand that feeds him. Unfortunate for the rest of us that we are the ones dealing with it.

    You can never believe a poll…those things can be so intentionally skewed and everyone should realize that by now.

    I will never think old Bob hates this country, but he is brainwashed to think there is no way a known muslim would deliberately set out to hurt us.

  • TAM44

    The only ones who likes obamacare CRAP are the ones exempt from it and the low life’s who cannot afford anything unless the government steal money though and unfair tax system run by the biggest most corrupt obama butt kissing IRS AKA Illegal Redistribution System from the working men and women to pay for it. Think about this, if obamacare was so great everybody would want to be on board, the 545 run like it’s a plague away form it, and obama makes sure he takes care of his donors too. Hell obama has even ticked off the unions who help that lying POS stay in office, now that’s funny to see that they are crying foul.

  • Monte R Stamper

    ALL 3 NETWORKS AND THEIR LIBERAL COHORTS ALONG WITH THE GUY THAT WOULD STILL BE NOTHING WITHOUT THEM, ALL NEED TO BE REMOVED. BOB SHIEFFER NEEDS TO TALK TO THE REAL PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THE OBAMA CLONES THAT THEY HAVE HELP TO CREATE. HE IS GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION WITH OBAMA OF DESTROYING THE BEST HEALTH SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.

  • Marlin208

    Lies , lies and more lies. That is all they can do. They don’t even care that they are going to get caught in their lies because the ignorant idiots that watch them will never check to see if they are lying.

    • Guest2

      And when they are caught, they become beligerant, insulted and challenge you to defy them. Schieffer is way beyond his retirement date; he’s irrelevant, crotchety, and nasty.

  • southie55

    One more reason not believe any of the garbage from the so-called main stream media.

    • Guest2

      That is the best rule of thumb!

      • southie55

        AMEN!

  • Paul

    How do in the world you have a favorite program when you don’t know what is in it. That’s is the case with Obama Care!

  • Drosack

    Pathetic bastards. Liberals lie all day long. I’m so tired of putting up with these worthless asses that aren’t worth the powder to blow them to hell!

  • iamcurious

    These progressives and leftists believe they’re bringing heaven on earth. They see it as their mission. They have no clue that they are serving Lucifer. Satan has “blinded the mind of the unbeliever”. What we are witnessing in America today is a struggle between the forces of light and darkness. Revelations prophesies that America will fall. “Babylon the Great has fallen; God’s kingdom rules”. It prophesies that the merchants of the world will stand at a distance and mourn. As Christians, the fall can be impeded but its fall is inevitable.

  • Mark Kuykendall

    What do you expect from a liberal hack like Schieffer?

  • 72SKYBIRD

    This nation is in the last stages of dying thanks to people like Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein and many others. They are all traitors to this nation and need to be arrest, tried and punished.

    • TheSunDidIt

      Ever study the fall of Rome? Starting to look familiar.

  • Centurian2010

    The media lap dogs doing what they do best, licking obama’s behind.

  • CajunPatriot

    CBS stands for: Communist Barry Soetoro, correct?

  • paperpushermj

    He I’m sure was just quoting something he read on HuffPo or MSNBC.

  • rcbobj

    Schieffer has been a lier ever since he has worked for CBS. They all lie for there lord and master Obama. Hell he has them in his back pocket.

  • http://www.facebook.com/craig.smith.79069 Craig Smith

    who the dead beats that are to lazy to work we are sick of it .. we dont want obama care

  • good160

    fu– that.

  • William Taylor

    These people should go on these programs armed with proof of this stuff so they can make a FOOL out of Shieffer on his own show.

  • Devasahayam

    Of course the network of which Schieffer is a cog has been proving its name to be a contraction of an imperative (See BS) for donkeys-years now (unquestionaly so post-2004, but it was already the stuff of comedy-sketches back in 1991)!

  • Mort Leith

    cBS stands for c-BULLSHIITT btw,,,,

    and they only polled ILLEGALS and Welfare leeches !

  • Mr Bob

    Obama 62% (332 votes) Mittens 38% (206 votes) did you wingnuts forget this?

    • GoldenRudy

      How about Nixon getting 49 out of 50 states? You and your ilk forget about that?

      • COMALite J

        And then resigned in disgrace on the day he was going to be impeached. Remember that?

        • GoldenRudy

          And yet he did not lie under oath; sexually assault an intern; change written law via fiat; have the IRS actually target his enemies; fail to protect American citizens abroad. He resigned rather than have the Democrat controlled Congress, the same one that stopped the funding to provide military support for an ally as agreed as part of the Paris Peace Accord, destroy the country from within while the USSR and its allies were at their pinnacle of power. And I do remember Nixon’s greatest “sin” to the Left was his role in seeing that FDR’s confidant, Alger Hiss, was found guilty of perjury as a Soviet agent. The Venona Tapes, released after the fall of the USSR (sad news to the Left in this country) were de-classified and released. “Alger Hiss” was Nixon’s greatest “sin”; Watergate was simply a convenient issue in time. But he did win 49 out of 50 and there were only 3 major news networks “pushing” news at that time. None of them as deep in the tank as the three are today for Obama.

        • COMALite J

          He lied a lot during the investigations, including on national TV to the American people (“I am not a crook”). He resigned before there could actually be a trial for him to lie under oath at, or else he would’ve done that, too.

          Clinton did not sexually assault any intern. The blowjob was consensual.

          Nixon did change written law via fiat (his Wage and Price Freeze Executive Orders being just one example), and did have various Government agencies target his enemies. His enemies list was publicized afterwards.

          Just so you know, this isn’t history for me. It’s memory. I personally met Nixon. I was a fan of his at the time. My family voted for him. Both times.

        • GoldenRudy

          Nixon was never under oath. Clinton was. BTW. a government supervisor who treated a subordinate, let alone an intern, consensual or not, the way Clinton did would have been removed from Civil Service. He, the President, signs/approves those regulations. Personally, I thought the world had gone crazy when Nixon was elected in 1968. But while serving in 1972 when the Dem Party turned Left for all to see, I crossed the “political Rubicon” and have never looked back.

  • Robert Courtney

    all anyone has to do to show the FACTS about the hatred for obamacare, is to point any insane progressive to

    http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
    make sure you scroll down to see how LONG there has been NO support for Obamacare.
    This shows an AVERAGE from National Polls since Obamacare inception.
    Only a denier can refute that Americans do NOT want Obamacare.
    These MSM dolt cherry pick 1-3 polls from 100’s. The Democrats did the same thing when they passed this pig of a bill.

    • COMALite J

      Nice try. That shows how effective your side has been at demonizing the word “ObamaCare” in the minds of people. Now read my post which links to and includes actual data showing that the majority approve of the actual provisions of the Affordable Care Act when the name “ObamaCare” is not attached to it.

      • Robert Courtney

        Nonsense.
        But, nice try.
        It won’t work.
        Lipstick on a pig and all that.
        Facts are facts. My link proves a National Average for 5 years.
        I won’t play your insane Progressive game, little buddy.
        But, it’s obvious you are brain dead, and just not worth anymore of my time.
        Pathetic.

        • COMALite J

          My post backed it up with links to the actual polls including the full methodology, as well as two charts from it illustrating the point. All you got is lame already-refuted talking points.

          I can see why you would reject demonstrable facts and reality, though. Those have been shown to have a considerably liberal bias.

  • mallen11

    We can’t believe anyone these days. Remember the newspaper publisher, Joseph Goebbels under Hitler? This is what he said…
    “If I can get control of the press I have control over this country. He helped to maintain that power. No one knew who Hitler was until it was too late. Inflation was very high and it took a wheelbarrow of money to buy bread. He was full of lies and deception. Who does this remind us of?

    • GoldenRudy

      Example: Walter Cronkite in helmut and flak vest offering the American people his evaluation (sic) of the Tet Offensive by the NVA.

    • Champ98

      The comparisons are so on target. No wonder our schools don’t teach the facts of Hitler and his rise and the resulting Holocaust.

      Obama needs to be impeached!!

  • SickofPoliticks

    Bob Schieffer is nothing more than an Obama butt sucker. He disgusts me almost as much as Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Holder, McCain and all the other far left jerks.

  • Jed54

    That’s one reason I stopped watching CBS, NBC, and other leftist media B.S. They will never be able to be reputable ever again unless they repent their present agenda..

    • iamcurious

      I haven’t watched them in years. ABC, CBS and NBC are and have been dead here for a long time. Don’t have satellite tv so CNN, MSNBC and even FOX are gone too.

  • Claude Dessureault

    A newsman from CBS lied, and you are surprised by that !!!!!! hate to tell you this, but CBS is one of those anti-republican and pro-democratic stations, they have been lying at least since President Bush was on office.

  • GoldenRudy

    CBS lying? Really. Oh, is Dan Rather back at the helm at CBS? Lying comes easy at CBS.

  • DouglasDauntless

    I can’t wait until all the fools that voted for King Obama go to the hospital with an injury to an arm or leg end even and eye. Because when the Doctors have to go to the Obama Care book and ask if they should fix it. the answer will be yes. But what is the cheapest way, and the answer to that is to cut the leg or arm off or take the eye out to save money. Like Humana care, that Ex Senator Tom Dashel is the Lobbyist in DC for all the health care insurance companies. I wonder how much money him and Dashel will cut up because King Obama and the Senate and Congress will force the people to buy one the insurance companies health care policies that Dashel is a Lobbyist for.
    King Obama’s Big Government is now in full control of everyone’s life And that is Obama Care, for we the dummies. But all the Federal Government and their families don’t and will not have Obama Care. Just us. I want to thank all the fools that voted for Obama and all the Demo-rats and Rhino Republicans that have brought us Big Government and our destruction of free people with free choice. Now the Big Government can and will pick who will live and who will die. What Class of people it can legally kill. Obama being a Jew hater will start with them. Why not they voted for him, “Hey give the kid a brake Goldberg and O’Rielly Show at 8PM,” The Jews did the same thing in Germany and Hitler killed the with his Health Care., The next in line are the White people that all Government hate because they are the enemy of Big Government and disagree, who might give these traitors a problem. Obama Carer will kill off as many White people as it can, so only the White super rich, and Senators and Congressmen will have no competition. Then there will onkly be the chosen Big Government people who are easily controlled and that will be Black and Brown people to gladly be Big Government slaves for all the free stuff they are going to get. Remember they have proven that all the Rich Presidents and Progressive Demo-rat Senators and Progressive Republicans lead by Traitors, John McCain and Graham. Our Government is the enemy of the people of the United States of America.

    • Mr Bob

      I can’t wait for you to go to the doctor for a lobotomy & the doctor tells you he can’t give you one because you have no brain!

      • Centurian2010

        Good one for a two year old.

  • MrsCleaver

    Hey Schieffer, it’s dirt nap time. Hurry along now you senile old bastard, Hell awaits.

  • Mary

    The NWO (globalist bankers) own all the media corporations and the stooges that show up on your TV screen work for them and follow gestapo orders lest they be fired. They manipulate polls, and rewrite the news and hand out the prime directive so the sheeples get their given instructions. Resistance is futile. Too bad most of the lemmings believe most of it, because if it’s not on the news or the news doesn’t show or approve it, it must be wrong. Those of us who are independent thinkers know better, but sadly we’re in the minority.

  • Jimmy Wayne Barnett

    Bob Schieffer, I used to think a man that’s been there as long as you have could lie better !At least stop telling whoppers like the one you just told!But seriously I trusted you, before you went and blew what glimmer of credibility you had.I’ll have to put you in the category of infamous liars are us Obama Fan Club!Did you just take a poll of three or less lying democrat!or was it one dumbocrat and two R.I.N.O.’s.because that’s the only way you could have convinced anyone that’s what your poll claims.I guess I’ll be watching something else instead of your show.

  • Kini

    Schieffer – we’re the media,we’ll tell you what to think

  • looneytoonsindville

    The Main Stream Media (MSM) in the USA have become government propaganda outlets, similar to Pravda during the heyday of the Soviet Union. When Obama twists the truth or outright lies, the MSM back him up. Nothing new here; it’s been going on since at least 2008.

  • randydutton

    Why didn’t Marsha have copies of the polls with her? Anyone going on radio or TV should be prepared and start listing off the poll results.

  • delong003

    Schieffer use to be a decent reporter………And I emphasize used to be…………. I read this garbage every day and it still astounds me how blind, ignorant, stupid, foolish these people are.

  • MIKE6080

    What do you expect from cbs-communist broadcast system , theyre part of barrys cabal

  • WASP

    The lamestream media is doing the usual. They’re just following orders from the mulatto Hitler. As part of his Propaganda Ministry, it’s their job. Professional liars for professional liars. What do these news weasels think they are–lawyers or politicians? Why does anybody watch or read these w*h*o*r*e*s? It’s been so long since you could trust what they say that most people still alive should have forgotten about them by now.

  • Mary

    ABC – All About Communism
    CBS – Communist Broadcasting System
    NBC – Nationalist Broadcasting Communism
    CNN – Communist News Network

  • tinnerjim

    I am surprised that the crusty old fart is still alive…give him a a few years of O’bastard care…that fucker will be dead.

  • robertdavidhummel

    and SO GOES THE LIBERAL/SOCIALIST/MUSLIM….POTUS’ CAMPAIGN PROMISE…”I will FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE OUR AMERICA”……….If CBS Di’NT Have Saturdaynight Live, I would never have viewed their Channel.

  • Mys77

    Most of the people are now to the point where the media is completely bias, not reporting facts, and actual American peoples opinion, and so OUT OF TOUCH with anything that is going on in America. We say politicians live in a bubble, news reporters are even worse. they are in their cubicle and oh yes, are NOT losing their jobs, completely untouched and uncaring about the seething anger, livid anger and yes I will say it RAGE at not only Obama, but ALL the representatives that are so self serving, and uncaring, power hungry, anti American bullies!!!! For the first time in my life, I hate my government….and I am NOT alone…and that number is growing.

  • Vernon Davis

    Bob must be living in Mexico. I don’t know of any intelligent true Americans that like Obamacare. I think Bob has been taking lessons from Obama on how to tell a lie and keep on smiling.

  • robertdavidhummel

    I am certain CBS Will NOT REPORT THE FOLLOWING….But I feel OATHKEEPER responsible to SHARE the Following.

    The POTUS/COC, will continue to engage his Command’…”I will
    Fundamentally Change America”…”IF”… We The People…Continue to allow the
    POTUS and his Liberal/Socialist & Muslim COMRADES of the Democratic Senate
    to FORCE the ACA Bill upon the FREEDOMS OF Our America.

    The ACA Bill is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and Violates our Rule of
    Law…Passed by Democrats only without Republican Debate…with Implimentation
    of integral Laws and Rules…promulgated by UN-Elected Appointed HHS…of which
    are incalculable to clarify by common sense readability…with open-ended
    Waivers and Exclusions …for only special Comrades that helped pass the
    bill…However …No Fair and Balanced opportunity was provided to We the
    Taxpaying Populace.

    E-Pluribus Unum

    Every person liable for their Family (The Foundation Business of Our
    Nation), and every BUSINESS in America are compelled to manage a BUDGET,
    … when we FAIL TO MANAGE a BUDGET…WE FAIL
    IN EVERY BUSINESS and Go Bankrupt..The ACA BILL now in course….”IS A SURE FIRE
    …FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE THAT WILL….”BANKRUPT”…the business (Family &
    Otherwise). of our (still ?) Free Nation.

    The ACA BILL premise IS LAUDABLE to place on our NATIONS COLUMN of
    “WANTS”, ….However within the parameter of our Nations “COMMANDER IMPOSED
    Fundamental Change”, as he initiated our EXCESSIVE INDEBTEDNESS…The “ACA Bill
    should be Red Lined” from our nations NEED LIST….PERIOD.

    “POLITITIONS and DIAPERS…NEED be CHANGED OFTEN…for the SAME
    REASON…

    Quote: Honorable Will Rogers……

    The ACA Bill is a diaper that needs to be changed Imediately…The
    mess is STINKY and Fundamentally violates the WILL of We the
    People.

    Lord, Give me Patience…Because IF You Give me STRENGTH, I’m Gonna
    Need Bail Money.

  • regulus30

    the ONLY DANGER IN THIS SIMPLETONS LYING is if there is anyone stupid enough to believe him.

  • sashamanda

    Neither Schieffer nor CBS are known for their honest reporting.

  • John DeMarkey

    Bob, your a lying SOB! Shame on you as a reporter of factual news!

  • crowtoe

    Let’s face it! The MSM is populated by people who have their heads so far up O’s behind that they can’t see or hear anything. When they manage to disengage their heads periodically, as in coming up for air, they open their mouths and only lies, misinformation, or O adulation passes through their s***coated lips.
    As far as I can tell, they are traitors to the USA. The freedom guaranteed them by the 1st Amendment was so that the people would have ethical, moral, watchdogs warning the people of the dishonest overreach of those in gov’t who were there only to increase their power and wealth.
    These “watchdogs” are not only failing to bark, but they are rolling over and playing dead allowing the intrusive, dangerous politicians to rob us blind and destroy our Republic.

  • MAVET

    WELL, “THE SCHIF” OR ‘OLD SCHIFFY’ AS WE LIKE TO CALL HIM IS REALLY LIKE A MUSEUM MUMMY EXHIBIT. HE’S VERY FRAGILE AND YOU HAVE TO SORT OF DUST HIM OFF TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF HIM, SO MAYBE HE WAS OFF HIS MEDS AGAIN… .

  • MAVET

    IT’S BEEN SAID THAT BOB SCHEIFFER HOLDS THE WORLDS RECORD FOR THE MOST KOSHER SALAMI HE CAN FIT IN HIS MOUTH AT ONCE.

    TRY GETTING THAT ONE OUT OF YOUR MIND… .

  • jo johnson

    Not to worry………..there’s plenty of room in HELL for these basturds of mankind !!!

  • DRLJR

    For people who are interested a summary of the taxes and other items in the PPACA download this file:

    http://dlaster.com/DOCUMENTS/Purpura-v-Sebelius-Issue_to_Counts.pdf

    This is a file people might be interested in as well:

    http://www.jerseyshoreteaparty.org/healthcare/Other_Items/Flyer-11-2303-Counts.pdf

  • disqus_Eh7aK6ca5A

    These people are running on the script for “The Emperor’s New Clothes” chapter and verse; and that was a picture book. This is getting scary and we are getting closer to a deadline. The 4th Estate is run by court jesters, and we are being manipulated by an inert Congress that will not be at the mercy of the very healthcare they are shoving down our throats. And Schieffer must be inhaling or something.

  • Drosack

    AAAAHHHhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  • Wayne

    He carrying the water for his beloved President. They understand that low info voters believe what he pedals. Most people really think that the news stooges say it then its true. Propaganda t its finest the Obama way.

  • Lowell

    The poll he was referring to is the poll of Obama. Obama said that most people are in favor of Obamacare and that is the only poll that can be relied on, even though it was a one man poll.

  • Champ98

    Amazing how they media lies to twist the facts about Obama and his divisive and destructive “reign as King” He is the most narcissistic liar to ever inhabit the White House. I can’t believe that Americans haven’t risen and started a revolution. In stead most sit mutely while Obama “fiddles and America burns.”In his divisive policies and lies Obama has ripped the Nation apart into smaller divisive selfish groups.

  • pysco

    CNS is no longer a news agency, it forfeited that title, and became nothing, but a left wing, liberal propaganda machine, and Bob Schieffer is Obamas “Goebels”.

  • munkybiznus

    O care approved by house——————————-TRUE
    O’care approved by Senate——————————-TRUE
    O-care approved by Prez———————————-TRUE
    O-care approved by SCOTUS (as a TAX)————TRUE
    How does the Prez have the authority to give a TAX break to his supporters and favorites in violation of LAW that he SIGNED

    • metheoldsarge

      Just like all the other politicians he is exempt from the laws they make. This is the DO-AS-I-SAY-AND-NOT-AS-I-DO leadership.

  • HarryTC

    Bozo Bob Schieffer redefines CBS as Communist Brainwash Society

  • voncile fullwood

    he is a liar,Bob Schieffer you are lying like you did with Romney during the election ,I have took every voting poll that was put on my emails and I saw the gallup poll reading.why do you find it so easy to lie like the rest of the morons in Washington? people like you and the rest is what is causing America to fall.to you I guess it is ok to let a traitor to America run the country,it is ok for the dictator to cram Obamacare down our throats and we are suppose to like it.well if all of you like it so good why don’t we protest that everyone to have it including Obama since it is his Obamacare. you are a disgrace to America just like Obama.I don’t trust anyone of you

  • USCBIKER

    The Obama media will do anything but tell the truth, ignore them!! That’s why print press is folding and lib media outlets are letting many workers go.

  • sassyj

    Schieffer is like obama if you tell a lie enough times he believe people will believe him.. To bad he can’t read what his own networks polls say.

  • ralph

    The only problem with our government is the Obama and his Muslim administration and his army of cazars. that hate Americans just what is it you think they might be doing to our country, and the sorry democrats that are so brain dead they really have know idea what that mouth is saying

  • FROG75

    Schieffer is a just another ‘tool’ for the Communist Broadcasting System.

  • lokiswife

    It’s obvious that Bob Schieffer never read the Obamacare bill posted at Thomas.gov for several months before the vote. He is just parroting the garbage that Pelosi, Reid and Obama have been foisting on gullible people. By the way, it was only the first 1000 pages posted on Thomas before the vote, they added another 1800 pages at the last minute. I read the first 600 pages before the vote and spent a lot of time sending info on the bill to my two senators and one rep, they ignored all those who warned them that they should read the bill and vote NO. The 30 hour loophole, the IRS overseeing the program, the immense power the bill gives to the secretary of Health, the network of agencies that would be set up to run the program, the loopholes for Amish, Muslims and other religious sects, the exemption of the president, VP and Congress from the bill, etc. etc. Since the bill was voted in, they have been writing more rules and regulations to be foisted on us later, more secret dealings behind closed doors. Congress people with medical backgrounds were told that they were not invited and they wanted no feedback from them. They loaded the room with lobbyists and special interests, barred the door and wrote Obamacare,. Any wonder why Obamacare is such a mess and will only get worse?

  • phil62

    A LIE? By the news media in AMERICA?? NEVER! Not in our beloved democratic republic! I NEVER listen to the national news media because I’m afraid I might go off the deep end – buy a ticket to New York – and actually go in and slap the dog sht out of everyone of them. They are far worse at lies than Obama. The only people that lie better than the news media is the Clintons. I pose a serious question to the backers of lady Hillary: How does a person commit suicide be shooting themselves in the HEAD – 3X’s – and then crawl out of their offices and crawl across the street into the public park and back road ditches???? If you don’t know the answer ask the people around the state of Arkansas or, if you are really stupid, just go to the source and ask Bill and Hillary Rodham – they know the answer.

  • Death2Unions

    America is being gutted by The Marxist in Chief and his Puppet Master Valerie Jarrett. This doesn’t end well for America. By the time the blood of Americans is flowing in the streets, it will be all over. Welcome to the new Marxist State of America. The end.

  • Joseph111

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    CBS news .. never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good story …
    .

  • Paul Brown

    Sorry but about 70% of the American people don’t want this abortion of an insurance{or Tax plan} this idiot has come up with to get more tax money out of everybody.

  • MARK FREDERICK

    oBOZO is nothing but a lying SOB, he would lie even if the truth sounds better. A man is only as good as his word and that’s why oBOZO is not a man. He doesn’t talk to much in the bathhouses and gay bars in Chicago in the DOWN LOW CLUBS and that’s because his mouth is always FULL. I wonder how the Muslims like the gay RESIDENT, isn’t it against the Muslim religion to be queer as a horse with a kickstand. Hillary is just as gay, she would get in fights with Bill over the same woman, I call Hillary WART HOG because that’s what she looks like..

  • WW

    If Bill and Hillary had gotten the healthcare bill through before Obama, it could have been called “Clinton Affordable Care Act” (CACA).

    • Nathan51

      Bo care is like a turd. No matter what you call it’s still a turd!

  • Nathan51

    CBS? Oh yeah, that’s the same network that put out a 60 Minutes story about President Bush and a National Guard letter that turned out to be fake. I seem to remember a certain news anchor that was forced to resign over this. Think NBC is any better? Just ask GM about how NBC can rig a GM truck gas tank with model rocket engines to explode on impact. Or maybe we should ask Mike Wallace about how he staged events like throwing a handful of quarters into a trash can in full view of a bunch of kids so the kids would root through the can for the quarters, he could video them and claim they were starving and scrounging for food. (His camera man outed him on that one.) Yes, these Leftist media thugs really have lots of integrity.

  • Momcat49

    I love it when the Administration says the problem is that there was a failure with its “messaging”–if the ACA had just been “explained properly”, EVERYONE would love it!

  • 1josephg1

    Typical left wing bs. The government has proven itself to me. They can’t run the post office, social security, medicare, the department of energy, what the makes anyone think they can run a behemoth like the health care industry. I guess there are still quite a few weak minded mentally challenged, blind and stupid people that have been given over to a debased mind. I will bet most of you lefties don’t even believe in God.

  • afanaglenn

    The CBS poll was a polling of only democrats. CBS can’t be trusted with any of their news reports any more.

  • jon

    WOW see b.s. the network that makes prov ta the Russian newspaper look like it was a teller of the truth yet ask any Russian for it was the government propaganda organ for lie after lie ! And the truth was always left behind for the good of the party (only the leaders got the cream of best and everyone got left overs and poor quality crap. from food to clothing it was all run from the top down and a supermarket at the time had 100 different items to sell ! the rest had to wait in line for whatever the line was for.

  • Medaton

    Schieffer has been carrying the democrat water for years. A satellite feed in the early ’90’s had him interviewing GHW Bush. After the interview he turned to the lady doing his face powering and said, “That should be worth a few % points for Bill Clinton.” He didn’t realize those of us that watched the feed over the satellite could see him and hear what he said when he thought the feed had ended. I have wished for years that I had been taping that morning.

  • paintinc56

    Did the congresswoman call him out as a LIAR, did SHE have poll #s to throw back in his face? WHY are REPUBLICAN politicians so gutless? The leftist propaganda machine media will LIE & do anything in their power to destroy them so when they get the opportunity to catch them & point out their LYING why do they sputter, look clueless & come across as morons? God forbid they arm themselves with FACTS & then BOLDLY get up & INFORM people instead of allowing the LYING LEFTISTS to walk all over them.

  • Donald York

    I guess if you tell this garbage to the uninformed enough, they believe it. It’s called “State propaganda”.

  • Walter portier

    Liar ,liar your pant is on fire. This guy need to be fired. No one can believe anything he says. When you loose the trust of your words. It hard to get anyone to believe anything you might want to preach. You just like our president . He lied to all of us so much in the pass . We can no longer trust him or he statement. He values are too low.

  • futurelife

    You can tell a Dem every time… they never tell the truth, never.

  • Rick Caird

    Too bad Blackburn could not have remembered the CBS poll and asked Schieffer if were from the Candy Crawly school of debate moderation. Then she could have pulled out the poll numbers and spanked him with them.

  • Gene Poole

    The government has shut itself down, because it cannot deal with the
    budget deficit and mounting public debt caused by twelve years of wars,
    by financial deregulation that allows “banks too big to fail” to loot
    the taxpayers, and by the loss of jobs, GDP, and tax base that jobs
    offshoring forced by Wall Street caused.

    The Republicans are using the fight over the limit on new public debt
    to block Obamacare. The Republicans are right to oppose Obamacare, but
    they are opposing Obamacare largely for ideological reasons when there
    are very good sound reasons to oppose Obamacare.

    Last February 3, I posted on this website a column, “Obamacare: A Deception,” written by an expert on the subject. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/

    When Republicans for ideological reasons blocked a single-payer
    health system like the rest of the developed world has and, indeed, even
    some developing countries have, the Obama regime, needing a victory,
    went to the insurance companies and told them to come up with a health
    care plan that the insurance lobby could get passed by Congress.
    Obamacare was written by the private insurance industry with the goal of
    raising its profits with 50 million mandated new customers.

    Obamacare works for the insurance companies, but not for the
    uninsured. The cost of using Obamacare is prohibitive for those who most
    need the health coverage. The cost of the premiums net of the
    government subsidy is large. It amounts to a substantial pay cut for
    people struggling to pay their bills. In addition to the premium cost,
    it is prohibitive for hard pressed Americans to use the policies because
    of the deductibles and co-pays. For the very poor, who are thrown into
    Medicaid systems, any assets they might have, such as a home, are
    subject to confiscation to cover their Medicaid bills. The only people
    other than the insurance companies who benefit from Obamacare are the
    down and out who are devoid of all assets.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/10/01/obamacare-another-private-sector-rip-americans/

    • BEK

      We aren’t nor do we want to be like the rest of the world. Period!!

    • Ruby_Con

      Irrespective of the short term benefit to private sector insurance companies, the unintended consequences of this bill, as it collapses under its own weight is ultimately the leftist/regressive dream of a single payer system.

    • DCW16

      Think of it this way . . . we are SAVING Money TODAY ! ! !

      This is just a preview of what life will be like when the soon to be 20 TRILLION O’bomber debt monster hits the fan . . . interest rates are rising . . . within the next decade the TOTAL US Income Tax Collected will ONLY Pay the Interest On the Massive Obamy DEBT . . .
      What will happen to SS, Medicare, ObyCare, Food Stamps, Welfare and the Military ? ? ? Is anybody out there asking this question?

  • BarrackHussein

    When you have no facts nor logic, resort to name calling. Why is anyone still frequenting NBC, CBS or ABC? There is nothing there.

    • Buford

      If you call having unreality shows nothing, they certainly got that.

  • Goodforall

    He sees Obama and Carney lying and thinks no one will question him when he does it. Americans are stareting to see things for how they are and not what the state controlled media throws at them. If we had any truthful reporting Obama would have been impeached over Benghazi, and Hillary would be behind bars.

  • Ralph

    I think Obama Converted him to Islam… The Religion of Peace; ha ha ha: The Religion of KILLING and Pedophile; like the big Muslim said, “Its ok to marry your adopted daughters and girls that are 1 year old…
    WHAT KIND OF RELIGION IS THAT ??? Satan has a lot of workers !!!

  • crazyfreddie

    I AM GLAD THAT ALL THESE MEDIA OUTLETS ARE BEING BROUGHT TO THE SURFACE WITH THEIR LIES . I WATCH NONE OF THEM . THEY ARE NOT REAL AMETICANS BUT DESTROYERS OF AMERICA AND AMERICANS . DON’T WATCH THEM >>>> THEY WILL HAVE NO ADVERTISERS . THEY LOOSE >> AMERICANS WIN . GET RID OF THE ILLEGAL FAKE PHONY LYING DECEITFUL STINKING CROOKED CORRUPT DESPICABLE TREASONOUS NON AMERICAN MUZZIE

  • danhspoonhourdc

    CBS has been infiltrated and now under the control of communistic principals as in “Spreading the public lie”; no wonder Americans who watch their stations are misled and un-informed. You cannot make a proper decision based on false information. The truth is not communicated by the communists; they’re goal is world domination.

    • chuckfreyer

      Not really cause FOX news says the above is true too.

  • Shane

    He lied. What else do you expect from these libs in the MSM?

  • Ruby_Con

    This is the equivalent of having your big burly cell mate in the federal pen whisper….”You will eventually learn to like it.”

  • Ruby_Con

    The only way a CBS poll that could plausibly claim that most people favor obama care is if they asked the question in this way; Do you support obama’s miraculous healthcare legislation that will be paid for with pixie dust and unicorn poop and it will eradicate cancer and every other disease along with extending the average lifespan of Americans by more than one hundred years?. Would you further support the bill if It will stop global warming, have peace in the middle east and put a chicken in every pot and an obama phone in the hands of every American??.

  • Jimmee41

    “Lib…Drib”…at its finest!!!!!!!

  • SPAlumni

    Mr. Bob is trying to see if he can get a record number of down votes!!

  • badgerofhonor

    Obamacare is just a gateway drug for single payer healthcare. Schieffer and his ilk are nothing more than mules for the Obama Cartel.

  • MikeyParks

    If I made a mistake of that scope and scale I’d be fired on the spot.

  • al92lt1

    Who did they ask in this poll, welfare recipients?

    • Mr Bob

      Shutdown polling has grim news for Republicans. 72% oppose GOP shutdown strategy to block ObamaCare, including 44% of Republicans. Three-in-four independents (74%-19%) object.

      • DCW16

        O’bomber is no Ronald Regan . . . who had to deal with TWO houses of Dhimmicraps for 8 years . . .
        Regan was a leader a negotiator . . . whereas the Community Organizer is an inexperienced fraud and has never led anything in his life. He talks to the Iranians but won’t talk to Congress . . . insane ! ! !

        • Ruby_Con

          I agree with you on all points except one, I believe he is a very experienced fraud not an inexperienced one.

        • DCW16

          True . . . the story of his life ! ! !

  • Poodleguy

    The fact is, the lame stream media has EVERYTHING invested in the obamalying regime to ever admit they were & are wrong about the son of a bi itches!!! After all, they are all @ least socialists w/a few communists thrown in as well. The dingy demonrats are going to pay for the bs they have been putting this nation thru over that damned socialized medicine disaster, come Nov 4, 2014 when the republican party will own both houses of congress & the political castration of the Kenyan Kid………

  • Ken Pierce

    Real mature comments on here. The God of the Christians is the same God as the Muslims pray to. We share much of the Judeo heritage with the Muslims. There is a lot of room for the telling of untruths on both sides. I personally do not think it is good for us to kill all those that do not believe as we do, but also I do not believe I absolutely need to be a Christian to get into Heaven.God loves all his children, not just Christians.

    • DCW16

      “The God of the Christians is the same God as the Muslims pray to.”
      Really ? A rock in Medina is the same as the Christian God?
      Izzzzlam is a cult created in the 6th century . . . by an illiterate goat herder . . . it references the OT but is in no way related.

      • Ken Pierce

        Muslims do not pray to a rock, they may face the rock or the East when they pray but do you pray to an altar because you may be facing one in church. DCW16 Grow up.

        • DCW16

          Before Moooohamed . . . arabs had many idols . . . one of them was allah the moon god . . . Mooohamed wanted to imitate the J*ws and have one diety . . . so he chose the mood god as their one god. No relation to the G*d of Abraham, Isac or Jacob . . . none at all.
          Today moooslimes try to piggyback on Abraham through Ishmal . . . was Ishmal a moooslime . . . not a chance !
          Izzzzlam was invented thousands of years after Abraham . . . izzzzlamic claims are “Myth” at best . . .
          Read their book . . . it is cover to cover nonsense and they are a cult of death . . .

  • Butch

    VETS TO DC FRIDAY 11:00 AM TO REOPEN MONUMENTS!!

  • Robert

    CBS has not told the truth or objectively reported anything since 1965. That’s being generous.

  • JuneUSA

    Go back to your own planet with Obama ,Reid, Pelousi, Schumer and the rest of the left nuts and get out of our universe. You are all aliens from outer space and don’t belong in America.

    • chuckfreyer

      You lost the election… TWICE! We voted in the son of a muslim. We are here to stay forever.

  • johnnywood

    Figures don`t lie but liars do figure.

  • abinico

    Yeah, and most Americans are stupid. They treat doctors like Gods when in reality they are murderers, killing over 200,000 patients yearly thru all sorts of medical errors. Google a term like ‘medical deaths’ and get educated, then tell me you’re happy being forced to pay for that type of service.

  • quarkie009

    Only in a liberal/socialist commentator’s world do people favor Obamacare to be the savior for all their ills. No wonder people don’t understand what is going on, because they stay uninformed by listening to the Obama mouthpiece from the liberal news media and tune out to the truth when it is shown that their world is turned upside down. All the garbage that the Obama news media spews out is enough to make a
    lot of people deathly sick and vomit.

  • fbcmusicman

    Does this letter to Healthcare.gov’s Facebook page seem like a majority of people like ObamaCare?

    “I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a
    preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K
    annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out
    to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!!
    There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and
    chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight
    at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be
    attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the
    “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your
    drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24
    consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner,
    you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to
    give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically
    withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no
    means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

  • voncile fullwood

    Liar,Liar better check your pants to see if they catch a fire

  • flameinhair = flamegonesilver

    Mr. Bob…..stop da spin…it’s not working.

    • It’s almost over

      Government is enrolling in what’s called Obamacare Plus. It’s everything Obama Care isn’t. LOL

  • babsan

    They must be polling the brain dead Demoncrats

  • WASP

    Where does this old fossil live? In an ice cave on Antartica, or maybe on the dark side of the moon? Well, I suppose he’s doing what all lackeys of the Kenyan’s Propaganda Ministry do, just following orders.

  • gemini34

    Bob is mentally ill.

  • Centurian2010

    Apparently liberals are so dumb they do not even know how to read polls.

    • chuckfreyer

      The polls love Obamacare. The nation voted the son of a muslim twice. This is our nation now.

  • It’s almost over

    Bob is padding his retirement account! Everyone has a price.

  • jcherry7

    Bullshit, Bob!

  • drdbiggs

    Speaking as a primary care physician, I can’t figure out if Alzheimer’s has progressed further in Shuffles Schieffer or Hapless Harry.

    Looking at the face on Hapless, I know he punished many fists with his mug during his boxing career so maybe that caused his brain damage.

    Shuffles was probably born just naturally stupid and didn’t have to study.

  • Lloydl333

    Bob Schieffer has had his head where the sun doesn’t shine for years. The media has NO credibility at all.

  • ladybug

    Bob get your head out of bo’s butt. EVERY and I mean EVERY poll has had a majority against it! Why in the name of HELL can you idiots not tell the truth. Are you getting such a kick back or are you being threatened?

  • v steve

    These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS,

    Gerald Levin, Michael Eisner, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Edgar Bronfman, Jr, Sumner Redstone, Dennis Dammerman, Peter Chernin.

    They are the ones to be blamed.

  • popham

    Poor old Bob Scheiffer. Here you have a CBS news announcer, whose salary is probably
    in the seven digits expressing his opinion to defy the truth of recent polls, which clearly show
    that most Americans refute, reject and demand that Obamacare be repealed.
    Poor old Bob Scheiffer. It really is time for him to step down from his ridiculous pedestal at CBS.

  • EddieBop

    Sorry Mr. Hodges, but you didn’t present the full picture of that poll. While it’s true that 51% said they “disapproved” of Obamacare, 13% of those people said “it didn’t go far enough.” So it seems that only 38% agree with you and your followers, and a majority are either pleased with it as it is, or want is to do more. When you’re presenting poll results, you should be honest about it and not just make it look like something else that you prefer.

  • rukiddinsport

    My understanding: Before passage (forced), more than 60% of public AGAINST.
    After passage, more than 60% still AGAINST.
    WTF Schieffer !!! ???????????????????? R.U.KIDDIN?????

    MSM – I believe it’s time for revolution against the MSM and all of the members of their respective Boards of Directors. My considered opinion.

  • Barb

    Here we go again, a liberal media lying about the truth. ALL MEDIA IS SUPPOSE TO BE IMPARTIAL ABOUT REPORTING. Reporters must not have listened in class when they were supposed to learn this or they decided not to got to class that day. Whatever they are doing, it’s not right. Maybe they don’t know what the word impartial means. It means not taking sides and telling the truth. Journalism classes better look at how they are teaching. If your not teaching how to be impartial, then they are doing it wrong. Freedom of the Press isn’t a right, it’s a privilege and right now they are abusing it. You must not have a conscience any more and that is very, very sad.