Islam loves American Prisons


When it comes to spreading the message of Islam, America’s imprisoned are proving to be Jihad’s most fertile ground. For decades Muslim outreach has gained a firm grip on the most disenfranchised of our Nation. Islamic practitioners are selling redemption through conversion to desperate and impressionable Black, Hispanic and women inmates in American prisons at alarming rates.

U.S prison populations present an easy target of opportunity for Islamic radicalization of America. Prison life is not easy and the old adage “safety in numbers” is motivating many of the incarcerated to turn to the protections and rehabilitative message preached by Wahhabi-trained Imams. Some studies suggest that as much as 20% of the U.S. prison population is turning to Islam.

Inmates are an ideal candidate for Islamic conversion. Al-Qaeda training manuals discovered in Europe encourage the recruitment of prisoners and recommend playing on the inmate’s anger and frustration with the non-Islamic society. Imams are counseling prisoners to accept the teachings of Islam and the rehabilitative cleansing it can provide. With Islamic conversion the prisoner is freed of his transgressions and finds a new self.

Not a bad idea unless you consider that many of the Imams preaching Islam in American prisons are funded by groups with distant yet confirmable ties to terrorist organizations. The disciplines being taught to American prison populations by Muslim believers are less concerned with western rehabilitation and values and more focused on the radicalization of future free Americans. Muslim prison ministries are turning their converts away from American principles and substituting a culture of disdain for the American values and laws. Once released from prison many of these American Muslim converts return to society with a new found religion that preaches Jihad against western society.

Christian prison ministries are struggling to compete with Islamic recruitment and Islam is the fastest growing religion in American jails today. At present “The Nation of Islam (NOI)” is the largest and best equipped prison ministry in the United States. The NOI regards Christianity as a white man’s religion that has failed the African American inmate while Islam provides a more desirable moral system for disenfranchised blacks. It some cases the teachings of Islam in prisons has produced dangerous outcomes for America.

Richard Reid the “shoe bomber” converted to Islam while in a British prison. Jose Padilla, a former incarcerated Chicago gang member turned al-Qaeda operative was allegedly recruited to perform acts of terror against America. These are just two examples of the outcomes of Islamic conversion taking place in prisons. Oversight of Islamic prison ministries is lacking in American jails and Muslim Imams are becoming very productive in their efforts to turn our prison population against our society.

Entire communities of former prisoners are popping up in the United States; the most well-known being Islamberg in New York. At the foot of the Catskill Mountains in upstate New York lies a 70 acre Muslim compound called Islamberg. For almost two decades Islamberg and its occupants went un-noticed by the world. After 911, concerns began to grow over the compounds proximity to a huge reservoir system that provides New York City with most of its drinking water. Today newly released prisoners who have found Islam are seeking refuge at Islamberg.  It has been reported that nineteen other communities for former inmates that have converted to Islam have sprung up as refuges for the Islam’s prison converts.

With millions of imprisoned Americans to choose from, Islam is growing in numbers in a most secretive fashion. American’s should take notice. These prison ministries are not relegated to the high walls and fences of varying state corrections facilities. They are taking hold in many communities and cities across our country. They are recruiting disadvantaged and demoralized Americans and at some point we will all have to deal with another home grown terrorist rehabilitated by our Sharia-loving enemies.







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  • RalphZ

    Why are Imams allowed in the prisons and yet the prisons are in such a rush to kick out any Christian influence? I guess the Judgment of God must fall and we can’t claim ignorance.  So the falling away found in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJB) is coming to past. That also means God’s judgment is also coming.

  • NancyWorden

    If we know that the Muslim prisoners are doing this with our American prisoners why don’t we separate them so there is no contact at all between them? We the Us citizens help pay for the prisoners care in the prisons so why should we allow this to go on? Separate them, keep them in isolation and no exercise or movies or anything! How do you think we would be treated in one of there prisons?? Our prisons are probably like a resort to them.

  • Jerry

    Over 80% of those who convert while in prison convert to Islam. While this statistic may be alarming, what is worse is there happens to be over 3,000 training camps in America (that we know of.) Islam is the greatest threat we have ever known. Our founding fathers knew this, and warned of the dangers of Islam, but we didn’t listen. I would suggest everyone read John Daniels book at Amazon.com titled, THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR. It will wake you up to what we all are facing.

  • JimSchafer

    where are we(Christians) in this battle against Satan and his army of infidels? we need to wake up and prepare for the coming of Christ and simultaneously the battles of Armageddon? it is coming. I see it on the horizon.

  • JimSchafer

    prisons are meant for inmates that are dangers to the American citizens. Therefore, I am suggersting a pre-parole-psychiatric evaluation by doctors that have American citizens in their best interests. There needs to be a board of at least 5 doctors that provide the evaluations and based on those evaluations they would then be considered as to the eligibility for ANY discharge/parole from ANY facility of incarceration.

    • Virgil

      @JimSchafer At this point, Americans still have freedom of religion, and nobody can deny them the right to follow the religion of their choice.  Apparently the problem lies with Christian ministers no longer being concerned with the spiritual welfare of prisoners the way Chuck Colson was.  A dedicated preacher would be able to bring the majority of the prisoners back to Christianity, but not being there, the imams are doing the job the preachers used to do.

      • tomk777

        @Virgil  @JimSchafer 
        Many prisons have started discouraging Christian outreach programs at their facilities, while giving Islam free reign, there are still plenty of Christians willing to do prison ministry, its a question of if they are allowed.

      • JimSchafer

        @Virgil
         and that’s the main problem with most of our population(those that know Christ pesonally)
        We have lost our burden for the lost in  our society—iman and those of Christian faith.
        Sadly, I am speaking to myself as well.

      • Dennis822

        Thats just it.We were never a nation meant to be followers of all manner of filth out there under the guise of “religion” We are,were and have always been a nation for and of YAHWEH!! A christian nation.Although your correct in that christians have dropped the ball in this area that could be ministered to.Its also true that christianity in the prison system is being attacked and hindered more and more by the prison administrations while all other forms of religion are not.

  • gunner48

    I saw it first hand in NY juvenile corrections. And voiced my opinion then as Protestant ministers, and Catholic priest were not on the payroll and recruiting. You can expect what you inspect but No one is watching the store…..They are just making “sleepers”  The riots in the streets are going to be great. And people like Farakhan are just patiently waiting for his orders to awaken his Jail Bird Followers……And destroy the White man, and jews.  Tick Tock! Tick Tock!

  • TedRWeiland

    ANOTHER consequence of the framers thinking they knew better than Yahweh, in this instance, Amendment 8′s ban of “cruel and unusual punishments,” and in their place inherently unproductive,  tax-subsidized prisons.
     
    For more, see Chapter 17 “Amendment 8: Bail, Fines, and Cruel and Unusual Punishment” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt17.php.

  • ireAmerica

    Not one is a thousand followers of Islam have read the Koran (and supporting documents), nor have one in ten thousand of the general population. Instead, the mullahs dictate their extracts of the books, their policies, their demands for action and Shariah law. And their followers either act-out or dummy-up.
     
    There is no excuse for any civilized person to follow a “god” who revels in torment – especially burning alive, or a “god” who vilifies women at every aspect of being, or a “god” who commands murder of unbelievers – especially beheading and crucifixion, or a “god” who reserves the best places in paradise for these murderers, and one place in a thousand for the rest of the believers, and torment in hell for all others. But that is the “god” of the Koran.

  • JimSchafer

    then  where are we? the American Constitution provides for the freedom of  religion, however, the imam seem to be
    removing the freedom of Christianity, and we have  simply sat by and watched them, without any opposition to their actions.  i am blaming us(the Christian population) for allowing this. we have in several other social and religious organizations sat by and idly watched them(imam) overtake our idealization. we need to once again look at the mindset of the rebels in the revolution war. Because as the British controlled us, until we became tired of this control then and only then did we begin  the efforts that made this land the element and resource of freedom. I say that we either take action NOW of begin getting for a coming revolution by the Christian religions from imam.

  • Farmer

    I don’t consider islam a religion. Nip all this in the bud right there! All Christians need to step up and say this already and stop this evil bogus cult for what it is. Cmon! Being a coward and not riding out to meet and crush this evil is a sin. If they don’t like it, then let them move back to where they came. I choose not to live with evil and let it just ruin, kill, or eventually rape everything..

    • shewolf3201

      amen on that!

    • Deodidact

      Farmer, I agree with your general senitiments about Islam, but it is a religion.  Its theology is monotheistic, its cosmology is creationist [borrowed from Judaism and Christianity].  After that, divergences immediately appear and it goes its own way.  We are remiss to fail to acknowledge that it is a highly successful religion; in two or three decades it will be the largest on the planet in terms of numbers of adherents.  It gives its adherents purpose, which is why they are so driven.  It also explains their high birth rate.  Atheists are dying through failure to reproduce; they maintain their numbers by recruiting from the children of parents who do have religious faith, but even that is not enough.  Look at Europe.  Muammar Ghadaffi years ago boasted  that Islam would conquer Europe without firing a shot, by which he meant they would immigrate into Europe and simply outbreed Europeans, who are now not even having children at replacement rates.  They are dying.  Literally.  In Italy and Spain, each generation of Italians and Spaniards is barely half, plus a little more, of the size of the generation before them.  They are dying as a people.

      • RalphZ

        @Deodidact Islam by all definitions is both a religion mixed with political and legal authority that it claims above all others.  It does not matter if a country has freedom for all or not.  They will bring it down to the point only they have the rights of Freedom of Speech and religion as well as equal protection under the law.  All others will be given three choices, convert to Islam, Dimmi status (An unbeliever tax and second class citizenship), or death.  Simple.

        • Deodidact

          @RalphZ
           Your reading has given you the exactly same understanding that I hold.  Islam is all encompassing–religious, legal, economic, and social.  According to Islam’s own eschatological writings of the ‘Last Days’, eventually the dhimmitude option will be withdrawn, leaving only conversion or death.  I found a lot of great references at the Center for the Study of Political Islam.  What I liked very much about their materials was that literally everything is referenced back to Islamic sources in a manner that makes their assertions easy to check.  If you really do want to do your own checking, you need only obtain copies of the Qur’an, a couple of the major collections of hadiths, and the biography of Muhammed by Guillaume.

  • Mitch A

    Any religion or organized group which promotes the downfall of our country, our way of life, and even our very lives is not a “religion” which deserves a spot in America. Specifically protections provided by our government. Why would any government protect a group which promotes it’s overthrow? Are we already doomed?

    • toolate54

      @Mitch AWith a Muslim loving POTUS in place, yes we are already doomed. We only have one more chance to rid ourselves of this blight.  Use your vote WISELY!  We only get one.  The Muslims and 42%r’s get 2… or more… That includes the illegals.

      • Deodidact

        @toolate54  @Mitch A
         We actually do have anti-sedition laws on the books, and proponency of Shariah qualifies as sedition, the overthrow of the govt of the United States (imposition of Shariah involves the necessary abbrogation of the US Constitution).  It is worth listening to Obama’s interview with George Stephanopoulos in which he uttered the phrase “…my Muslim faith…”.  That was not a mistake.  A person’s religious identity is about a core a belief as he can possibly hold.  It was a slip.  Stephanopoulos actually interrupted Obama with, “[you mean] your Christian faith”.  You could practically see the little wheels turning in his head as he mentally replayed the tape and haltingly corrected himself, “…my…[momentary pause] Christian… [momentary pause] faith.”  He’s a Muslim.  Search for the interview on Youtube.

  • Farmer

    To Mitch A / the government that protects that type of group is part of them. Plain & simple.
    Despicable atheist marxist liars, & sellouts with smiles, need to be sent back to hell. Plain & simple.

  • bob samuel

    i am wondering that this is your first time to know.

  • Chris

    What do any of you expect when modern day  “Christianity” has nothing to offer anyone except “I’ll fly away” ????!!!
    Most who profess so called “Christianity” are too heavenly minded to be any earthly good and haven’t a clue as to what real Christianity is about because you don’t “study to prove yourselves worthy”.  Instead, many rely on what there preacher (or “preacherette” – another violation of God’s Word) tells them the Scriptures say.    As one of the many proofs of this: The author makes repeats the correct statement that Christianity is the white man’s.  That’s correct, but he references it as though this is wrong, “bad, wicked and evil”.

    • Dennis822

      What you refer to is actually judeo-christianity in all its error.True christianity is as stated indeed the white mans religion.

      • RalphZ

        @Dennis822 What proof do you have?  Christianity is a faith that is personal and is not a religion.  You cannot make someone a Christian.  You can make them a Baptist, Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, Jehovah’s Witness, LDS, etc.  The reason Christianity cannot be forced is that it is based on Faith in Jesus Christ.  You do not come to him through a religion, a set rules of conduct or religious works.  You can only come to him by first repentance of one’s sins, real repentance and not sorry for being caught but a repentance that actually has some works behind it. (Matthew 3:7-9; Mark 2:17; Ezekiel 33:14-16; Joel 2:12-13 KJB), accept Christ as Saviour by Faith (John 3:14-18, 36; Hebrews 11:1 KJB).  Then there is a change made inside this person and their faith is shown in their everyday actions. (2 Corinthians 5:17; James 2:17-19 KJB).  Their faith is what produces the works not the other way around.  No where is it a “White man’s” religion.  Either you are prejudice or  a bigot by just your statement.

        • Dennis822

          Ahhh yes the lie of a personal Jesus.YASHUA MESSIAH himself said he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel not the entire world.The bible wasnt for everyone but only his peculiar people.His people unto himself.If you wish to listen to the Baal priests in the judeo churches go right ahead.If you want your ears tickled and the hippie Jesus and the feel good only doctrines be my guest.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 It’s not a lie.  Jesus rose from the dead, evidence by over 500 people and the Apostles themselves as well as his enemies, the Pharasees and religious leaders.  Also Jesus even taught that he had sheep of another fold. (John 10:16; Romans 9:24-26; Acts 10:9-48; 11:13-18 KJB).  So far you have not proved me wrong just accusations.  If you do reply, do so with proof or you show yourself to be a false prophet as Muhammad was as well as Joseph Smith and others who have twisted and picked and chose which Scripture they believe.

        • Chris

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822
          RalphZ,
           
          The Sheep of another fold was in reference to The House of Israel, which had been cast of in divorce (Jer. 3: 8) that He came to redeem.    Remember, He was talking to those who were of The House of Judah.   Through out the entire Bible, no other people were ever referred to as “Sheep”, only Israel.    
           
          You quoted from the book of James.  See James 1: 1.   It tells you specifically who that book was written to.   Go to Hebrews 8 and read exactly who the New Covenant was made with.   Then go to Rev 21: 9-12 and see who is the Bride of Christ.
           
          I noticed Ted Weiland has commented below.  Go to his website provided there and get his book “God’s Covenant People, Yesterday, Today and Forever”.   It will provide the key needed to unlock the Holy Scriptures.
          You should also obtain the books on the need for Baptism provided.
           
          Now, go and diligently search the Scriptures to see if these things be so.

        • Dennis822

          I know exactly who the Covenant people are and they arent the ones living in that bandit state called its a lie or israel,in fact they are the enemies of YAHWEH and all he stands for.

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822 You are wrong.  In John 10:16 Jesus said, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”; then you have Hosea 2:23 “And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.” and Malachi 1:11 “For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.” Romans 10:19 “But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” (from Deuteronomy 32:21 KJB, Why are they provoked to Jealousy? “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.” Romans 11:11. If you misinterpret Hebrews 8, then you must erase Acts 10:9-48 “On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come? And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him. And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends. And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me? And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee. Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
          38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.  And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?  And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
           
          Hebrews does say it is for the twelve tribes in the first chapter and first verse but if you keep reading, you will find them more definitely defined as believers.  Whether or not they are Hebrew does not make a difference.  Revelations 21:9-12 is talking about New Jerusalem and scholars are split as to whether it means the city itself or the ones who live in it.  I know for certain that we, Christians, are called the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27 KJB).  Also remember what Paul says about Israel in Romans 9 KJB.

        • Chris

          @RalphZ  @Dennis822
           
          Dennis822,
           
          This reply is not to you, nor was my last.  I could see from your comments that you were aware of who’s Israel, and, of course, who’s not.
           
          RalphZ,
           
          It really wasn’t necessary to make this sizable quote from Acts 10.   I’m quite familiar with it as I often hear many so called “Christians” use it to justify eating pig, etc., while it’s obvious that the subject is people that God has now cleansed, not beasts, insects, worms, etc.; that is if one reads the entire chapter versus taking the blanket seen out of context.
           
          It’s good to see that you do read the Scriptures and you appear to be well versed as well.    It’s really quite refreshing and I’m very pleased to see it. However, you still need that key.
           
          The word “Gentile” in the New Testament is a generic term translated from a  Greek word, which simply means “Nations”.     The Hebrew word is “Goy” and “Goyim”, which is the word used for “Nations” where God made the Covenants with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when He said: ” From you shall come many Nations”.    Go to those passages in Genesis and then look up that word “nations” in your Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.   Don’t take my word for it.
           
          Here’s a little side note: Modern day Jews call us (the Caucasians) “Goy” & “Goyim”.   Do you think perhaps they understand that Hebrew word better than most “Christians”?   Don’t you think they know the truth about who are the Goy and Goyim and who are not (i.e., them) ?    They’ll tell you plainly in their writings, but how often do “Christians” read them?
           
          Here’s a couple of quotes from Jewish sources that show the truth of this:First sentence of the first chapter (entitled “Identity of Crisis”) of the 1980 Jewish Almanac:“Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew.’” . Richard Siegel and Carl Rheins, eds., “Identity Crisis,” The Jewish Almanac, (New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1980) p. 3.Also:“Here’s a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox: an anthropological fact, many Christians … have much more Hebrew-Israelite blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors.” Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal, Jr., What Price Israel (Chicago, IL: Henry Regnery Company, 1953) p. 223.
           
          Read that again !     There’s many more.  The book I recommended “God’s Covenant People … ” has an extensive list of Jewish sources that verify this fact, but you’ll not know unless to go and check them out.
           
          You quoted from Hosea, which is an allegory of the story of His “marriage gone bad”, if you will, with His “Wife of harlotry”, i.e., Israel.    Note one of the children is called “not My people” Hosea 1: 9.   This is in reference to cast off Israel.  Read the rest it.  It’s about Israel, not other people.     Again, you need this crucial key to unlock the Scriptures.
           
          Another short book offered on Ted Weiland’s site is “The Mystery Of The Gentiles”.   You’ll find those books I recommended extremely well documented and on point.
           
          May The Great I Am who became flesh and dwelt among us inspire you to dig deeper into His Word “to see if these things be so.”

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822   I do apologize for thinking you meant the Acts 10 statement about eating for me.  The way it is worded, I did come to that conclusion. Please do not forget that I take just about anything in writing to me as literally applying to me unless told otherwise or shown otherwise by the syntax.  You can read my other reply up above. Have fun.

  • JimSchafer

    ralphz- I totally agree with you and pray that others will, once they have read your statement will really begin to search their salvation and see if it really is one of works, faith/ grace. Eph. 2: 1-10.

  • RalphZ

    @chris My quotes stand and state what they state.  You did not rebut them nor did you give me anything but what you interpret them to mean.  Most of the Bible I do take literally and I’m not a false Christian which is what you infer by “I often hear many so called “Christians”.  I did not use Acts 10 for eating pork but 1 Timothy 4:3-5.  Also According to the Apostle Peter, there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile in Christ.  (Acts 15:7-11 KJB).  Also Gentile in the Greek means – I. ETHNOS, whence Eng., “heathen,” denotes, firstly, a multitude or company; then a multitude of people of the same nature or genus, a nation, people; it is used in singular of the Jews, e.g., Luke 7:5; 23:2; John 11:48, 50-52; in the plural, of nations (Heb., goiim) other than Israel, e.g., Matt. 4:15; Rom. 3:29; 11:22; 15:10; Gal. 2:8; occasionally it is used of Gentile converts in distinction from Jews, e.g., Rom. 11:13; 16:4; Gal. 2:12, 14; Eph. 3:1.  II. HELLEN originally denoted the early descendants of Thessalian Hellas; then, Greeks as opposed to barbarians, Rom. 1:14. It became applied to such Gentiles as spoke the Greek language, e.g., Gal. 2:3; 3:28. Since that was the common medium of intercourse in the Roman Empire, Greek and Gentile became more or less interchangeable terms.
     
    There were only two requirements that the Jews of Jerusalem gave for Gentile believers was the eating of blood, abstaining of those things offered to idols, from things strangled and fornication. (Acts 15:29 KJB).  The reason I type things out is so there will be no misinterpreting what I state.
     
    Have fun but don’t expect me to accept your theology or interpretation because the Bible does not bear it out nor what Chrst stated.

    • Dennis822

      @RalphZ  @chris @RaplhZ My quotes stand and state what they state.  You did not rebut them nor did you give me anything but what you interpret them to mean….Ironic..Considering you are doing the exact same thing.Again you use Gentile or Jew incorrectly.You obviously are fully deceived by many false teachings of Judeo-christianity which is an oxy-moron since you cant have Judeo anything with christian.The word of YAHWEH indeed bears out what Chris and Pastor Weiland have stated here.As for YAHSHUA MESSIAH, he made many statements that also bear out who his sheep were and are today.I do have fun.I rejoice that i have a bit of real truth.That YAHWEH has opened my eyes a bit and im beginning to wake up from this slumber.In his mercy i hope to continue.If judaism is of YAHWEH(GOD) why do we have christianity today? Why as a believer are you not a jew by conversion? Why 2 religions that profess to follow the same GOD? Id suggest you look into judaism(Babylonian Talmudism) for it has nothing to do with YAHWEH but stands in complete opposition of him.Heres a hint.Ever heard of the traditions of the elders? You should.YASHUA spoke out against it many times and rebuked those who followed it.Rabbis today will tell you that modern judaism is in fact the talmud also known as the tradition of the elders.It is full of filth and all manner of perversion mixed in with all manner of things but im sure in your arrogance and blindness you wont.

    • Chris

      @RalphZ
       
       

      RalphZ,
       
      There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.     You didn’t even bother to check any of those sources I gave you.   Remember what The Almighty promised He’d do to those who do not have a love of the truth.   He said He’ll send a strong delusion that they might believe what is false.
       
      By the way, I wasn’t referring to you when I said: “so called ‘Christians’ ” as I thought you understood  the blanket scene had nothing to do with unclean foods and can’t be used for the lie that His Law  on that subject has been done away with.   I see now, however, that’s not the case.
       
      Please, don’t bother replying until you do as you were commanded by the Scriptures and “Prove all things.”    
       
      P.S. The Bible is not up for private interpretation.   We are to let the Scriptures interpret themselves.  That’s why there are concordances, so one can cross reference.

      • RalphZ

        @Christ Here are my notes so you can see that I did read your references which I found to be a trifle off.
        Revelations 21:9-12 New Jerusalem. 12 gates and written on them the 12 tribes of Israel. 12 Foundations – in them the names of the 12 Apostles of the Lamb. V22 says that there is no Temple in the New Jerusalem nor any need for the Sun or Moon because the Lord God and the Lamb are the Temple, and the Glory of God lightens it and the Lamb is the Light there of.  V2 – New Jerusalem coming down and adorned as a bride.  V3-4 – God will dwell with men (no nationality or lineage is designated and He shall be their God.
        Hebrews 8 – A new covenant with the House of Israel & Judah (Ref. Jeremiah 31:31-34 – Ref: Romans 11:25-27 – the restoration of Israel but that is in the future.  Now they are enemies concerning the Gospel but they are beloved for the father’s sake.  V28-32 – Their unbelief allows us, Gentiles, Salvation. Note: God has set Israel aside temporarily for the sake of the Gentiles, but he has not forgotten them because of his promise to the fathers’.
        James 1:1 written to the Twelve tribes scattered abroad.  2:1 Faith of our Lord Jesus Christ – Identifies them more narrowly as Christians.  Remember Galatians 3:26-29; Romans 4:11-12 & 8:14-17; Matthew 8:10-12.
        God bringing a strong Delusion:
        Romans 1:24 – Gave them up to uncleanness. V25 – Who changed the Truth of God into a lie…
        Ephesians 4:18 – Understanding darkened… Alienated from the life of God through ignorance that is in them because of the blindness of their heart: V19 – Given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
        Isaiah 66:4 – I will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears unpon them;
        2 Thessalonians 2:9 – Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, V10 – And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. V11 – And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie.
        Christians – Romans 8:14 – For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.  NOTE: (V15) We are adopted, heirs of God and joint heirs (V17) with Christ.  We can cry Abba, Father.  Galatians 3:26 – All the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. V28 – There is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. V29 – And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.  Confirmed by Romans 4:11-12 & 8:14-17.  NOTE: A Roman had greater faith then Jesus had seen in Israel.  That many non-Israellies will come and sit with Abraham, and Israel, and Jacob in the kingdom while the children of the Kingdom will be tossed into outer darkness.
        Jeremiah 3:8 should be V6-12.  Ref: 31:9 (V1-17 restoration of Israel.)
         
        As far as being commanded, I do it without thinking to research whatever I’m told because if it does not align with what Scripture says, then I reject it.  The Hebrews that were (divorced in Jeremiah), were still Hebrews and therefore not of another flock.  As can be seen from the above references, it is the Gentiles that will make them jealous and God’s timing is impeccable.
         
        I do believe you are the one who has not checked references.  Unless you did what I did and made notes before replying.  Don’t worry, I’m not angry, just curious and I will give you a piece of advice an old circuit riding preacher gave to me when I was a young Christian, that was to get a Bible without any references, center column or otherwise, and study it by reading every book, under line and make notes so they can be referenced to each time you read through it.  To also read through it at least 7 times as well as read with prayer.  The last part is the most important thing, he said.  He also said to have a good dictionary. I asked why and he said that the Holy Spirit would teach, and he was right.  Have fun.

        • Chris

          @RalphZ
           
          RalphZ,
           
          Very good.  I’m impressed.   As I said before:
           
          “It’s good to see that you do read the Scriptures and you appear to be well versed as well. It’s really quite refreshing and I’m very pleased to see it. However, you still need that key.”
           
          I’m not at all angry about anything you said.   Believe me, I understand.  But, as I said, you still need that key to unlock the Scriptures.
           
          Many years ago, I too had similar beliefs until a business associate, who later became a good friend and has since passed on, brought the truth about who is Israel and who is not to my attention.  I scoffed at the idea and set out to prove him wrong.   After all, the preachers who told me the opposite, couldn’t possibly be wrong or have knowingly or unknowingly deceived me.   Could they?   “Many shall come in My Name (acknowledging Him as the Christ) and shall deceive many”.    And besides, I read my Bible and that’s not what I’m reading, etc.   I’m not belittling what you said in your reply.  I’m merely trying to express what happened to me.    
           
          Several months later, after a diligent search for the truth of the matter, I returned to him and admitted he was right.   Since then, by His grace, the Holy Scriptures and the truths contained therein have unfolded and continue to unfold before my eyes.
           
          There are many sources with the facts pertaining to this matter, both Biblical and secular.   I recommend Ted Weiland’s book as one of those sources because it’s one of the most concise and well documented books on the subject.  
           
          So, please, go to http://www.missiontoisrael.org and order all three of those books and check for yourself.   I’ll even send him the money for those books if you tell me you’ll order them.
           
          Side Note: The House of Judah was not yet divorced at the time Christ made that statement.   That came later.  There’s also the matter of the good figs and the bad figs.   Figs were symbolic of the House of Judah, not The House of Israel.
           
          Also, if the modern day “Jews” are of Israel (which I’ve already shown you they admit they are not), how could they possibly fulfill the prophecies about Israel becoming a “multitude of nations”, “as the sands of the sea”, “as the stars of the heavens”, etc., with a total world population of 20,000,000 (+/-)?
          Regarding cross referencing and letting the Bible interpret itself, here’s just one of many examples of terms, statements and phrases in the Bible that are extremely difficult to understand, unless you do just that.  Without cross referencing, please tell me what these phrases used several times in the story found in Gen. 9: 21 – 27 mean.  What actually transpired here and why is this story is important: “uncovered within his tent” and “And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father.” ?
           
          You mentioned Holy Spirit guidance.  Is it possible The Holy Spirit has guided you to these series of comments to bring you some critical truths you lack ?

        • RalphZ

          @Chris  What Canaan did was wrong even to Shem and Japheth.  Noah should not have had to be covered in his own tent.  I know you said not to cross reference but this leads into Leviticus 18:6-19.  But also it can be seen as a metaphor to seeing one’s sin.  (Or is it an Allegory?)  But it can be one concerning the sin of the person.  Remember that in the Garden Adam was hiding from God because he was “naked” and God had to cover them.  Also again we have the reference in Exodus 20:26 it states, “Neither shalt thou go up by the steps unto mine altar, that they nakedness be not discovered thereon.” 
           
          To me there is no key to God’s Holy Word that is external or needed because if there was, then the LDS would have somewhat to claim to have the correct key because the false Prophet Joseph Smith, (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:21-22 KJB), stated that all Churches were wrong and that God told him not to join any.  That the Gospel of Christ was corrupted and missing from them.  The Roman Catholic Church claims to have the Key to understanding the Bible in the Pope, the Priesthood and the Roman Church.  There are many out there and that is why I don’t believe a separate key is needed.  I know that 2 Peter 1:20 says “Knowing this first, that no prohecy ofthe Scripture is of prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.” But V21 states – “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”  This is why it is so important to rely on the Holy Ghost when reading God’s Holy Word or if a separate key is needed to Understand the Holy Bible, then how could anyone state with certainty that they are saved or that they are following the Will of God? Here are a few other verses about the working of the Holy Ghost (John 15:26; 16:5-11; Matthew 10:16-20 KJB). 
           
          I shall go to this persons web site and check him out with God’s Holy Word.
           
          Have a good day.
           
          I ask a Question.  Could the Holy Ghost have guided me here to tell you this?  It is a legitimate question.

        • Chris

          @RalphZ
           
          RalphZ,
           
          Very good.   I’m glad to see you’ll go to the site.   The key I’m referring to is in that book “God’s Covenant People … “, i.e, knowing who Israel is and who they are not.
           
          Re: The story in Gen.:
           
          You see?   You can’t take everything in the Bible literally and you had to cross reference to get the answer.  And as you know, context is of most import.
           
          However, there’s also a major part of that story that you completely missed: Canaan ——- didn’t ——— do ———– anything !     But yet he, AND ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, received the curse.      Why ???
           
          Go read it again.   Who was it that committed the sin (a.k.a. crime) ?????    
          The reason Canaan and all his descendants were cursed ?   He was the result  — NOT the perpetrator !  Why do you think the story kept repeating and reminding the reader as to who was Canaan’s father?   Doesn’t the repetition of that seem a little out of place ?  But, it was very much IN PLACE as this is the story of how Canaan came to be, not about Noah having a bit too much of “the bubbly” during a party.
           
          Canaan’s DNA , as well as all who would descend from him, was permanently messed up.  Over time, those people became the most wicked and vile people to ever exist, and all because Canaan’s father committed that one sin (crime) of incest with his mother, either after or during a big party.   Whether it was consensual or not, the Bible doesn’t say.   The story is about the result.   
           
          God told Israel to completely annihilate all the families of the Canaanites, “down to the little suckling”, because they were inherently evil.  (What act of “sin” could a “little suckling” commit, not to mention ALL OF THEM, especially one requiring the death penalty ?)
           
          Remember the Amalakites, the people whom God said He would be at war with forever ??  He ordered them annihilated (1 Samuel 15).    Where did they come from ?  Genesis 36: 1, 2 then go to 12.  
           
          Make sure you order the books.  My offer to send him the funds for those 3 still stand.
           
          Praise be to The Almighty that you will take this a step further.  My prayer has been answered.

        • RalphZ

          @Chris It is not a genetic disorder or all of them were messed up.  The essence of this prophetic curse is that only the Canaanites are cursed, not all of Ham’s descendants.  Servants of servants literally denotes the most abject slavery.  Even when the blessings are declared for the brothers, the theme of Canaan’s servitude is repeated both times.  The Canaanites inhabited Palestine and were first subjugated by Joshua and later by Solomon (1 Kings 9:320,21). They were partly exterminated by the Israelites, and their western colonies (such as Carthage) were finally conquered by the Japhetic Romans.  They practiced ritual prostitution, homosexuality, and various orgiastic rites, and were the center of God’s prophecy of judgment in Genesis 15:16, to be carried out by Israel after their sojourn in Egypt.  But the curse did not preclude individual salvation, for Rahab joined Israel, and Hiram, King of Tyre, gave materials for the temple.  These are facts.  Think about it.

        • Chris

          @RalphZ
           
          RalphZ,
           
          Who said anything about all of Ham’s descendants being cursed ???    I said the Canaanites were cursed.   Rahab is a whole different matter and you’re assuming she was a Canaanite.   Just because she lived there, doesn’t mean she was one.    Ralph, you still missed the whole point of the story — it’s Canaan’s origin !!!
           
          The reference to Solomon is after they disobeyed and failed to annihilate them.   There’s a hole lot more to the story.   There was also the “treaty” made with the Gibeonites.   Go back and read about the Gibeonites in Joshua, and they were only a portion of Canaanites, not the whole.  They had special contract considerations, via trickery.
           
          Here’s a hint: Go to the last Chapter of Zachariah, last verse and then tell me about Canaanites being “saved”.  That’s after His return !!!   You still don’t understand and you won’t until you get that key.   So go order the book, read it and let’s go over things then.    If you’d like, we can exchange contact info though him.     I’ll try my best to help you find these things in the Scriptures and  you can then prove them for yourself.

  • http://roywrt.blog.ca/ Roy Patterson

    It’s easy to convert, people in prison, to Islam. Just tell them that it not your fault you are in prison, it’s the Government’s fault for not giving you a fair chance. We will take you in after Prison and you will have nothing else to worry about. In Islam you never have to be sorry for anything you’ve done in the past. Just pray 5 times a day and listen to your Imams.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @Roy Patterson You ever read the doctrine of the Jehovas Witness!.damn near the same..t6hankfully there aren’t several billion of them ..’eh?!

  • DonaldLaFace

    So are white supremests,gangs, neo-nazi party types…finding god in general is at an all-time high….when you’re in prison the system treats you like a nobody..and most want to be somebody or/and part of something plus the safety factor offered!..the Islamist angle is just newer to what’s going on…there’s no evidence that any of these many changes has any real impact on the outside once the prisoner is released..unfortunately our system sucks so bad the felon is more than likely to commit another crime ..due to their post incarceration treatment..low end shit jobs,unless you were a white collar CEO type..unless you can get your history expunged you’re paying for your crime forever!

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    DonaldLaFace, Yes we need Prison reform right here in American, it seem like the prison industry is flourishing and  lawmakers  are looking for any reason to put people in jail, you know it”s a business. while cooperation invest in ir prisons. not caring how many innocent people are set back,  I believe that’s why people cannot get jobs and keep them. Its ashame when a young man is penalized because he cannot pay child support , now if you owe the government they can take away your right and privilege to work, There ought to be another way to penalize these people without taking the  right to work,  Also some men that served in the military have children they are not paying for but the government don’t bother them. but they are just as much a dead beat dad. I also believe the prison system is an injustice to American where is liberty.

    • DonaldLaFace

      @Holy Terror We need prison reform and several others and  it’s not just one party is guilty over the other both are and many of us are as well..sometimes we just don’t know at what we’re asking for and the long range reprocussion’s we all end up paying for.
        The prison system should never be privatized and placed into the hands,to sell out to bidders.nor have an investment venue,,,,,It’s been done before in our past and seen to be wrong..do we not learn from our mistakes??…greed’s a hard game to beat and there are so many many more of us!.today.
       We don’t seem to be able to quite see it before it has taken control…..good comment Holy Terror! ..thanks for bringing it out..

    • gunner48

      @Holy Terror
       Dont include Military people in your rants. Any woman not recieveing child support for her children. Or herself for that matter have only to write CO. of the command and believe me. As a retired Master chief in the Navy the support of the family will begin again. With stern warning to the man the first time.

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    GUNNER48 MY APOLOGY, LATELY BEEN A LITTLE TEE’D OFF AT THE GOVERNMENT AND MY FRUSTRATION COMES OUT, BUT IT’S LIKE YOU CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THEM, THEY  HAVE MADE SHAPED AND MOLDED SOME GOOD MEN AND WOMEN, BUT SOMETIMES THEY CAN PLAY GOD. MANY VETERANS THAT BECOME DISABLED BUT THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO FATHER CHILDREN DO THEY PAY CHILD SUPPORT BEHIND THESE CHILDREN

    • gunner48

      @Holy Terror
       When they become veterans they are no longer attached to the military. Except by a pay check. I’m sure you have the same percentage of “Dead Beat Dads as there are in the civilian populice. Paying child support is a moral and legal thing. If the Mother dont push it the state doesnt. I’m sure in depends on the state and the mother. All fathers should be supporting the children they put on this earth. If they did there would be no “Aid for dependent children,” and save this country a lot of money.

  • EdnaR

    Islam is based on sex, deception & death. It is intolerant, bigoted, impatient & hateful. Islam does NOT share in the Pentateuch & has altered the bible to suit its ideology. The quran, in its alteration, has revrsed the roles of Isaac & Ishmael in regards to whom was sacrificed by Abraham. The bible says Isaac & quran says Ishmael … 600 yrs after the fact!
    The quran is cursed by God for ADDING words no biblical plagiarized prophet in the quran ever said! Jesus never spoke as a baby, never spoke the title ‘allah’ & never called Himself a muslim.
    We do NOT share Gods, prophets or even the REAL BIBLE JESUS with Islam!
    Allah , Muhammad, Islam, quran or muslims are words NOT-FOUND-IN-THE-BIBLE!
    Allah has never appeared B4 man b/c allah has NO image! See Genesis 1:26-27 & Exodus 6:3, Gen 18
    Allah never called anyone ‘sons’ or ‘children’ of allah like our God (Matt 5:9) but instead calls everyone “SLAVES” of allah!
    Allah cant be god b/c allah changes its mind like a see saw goes up & down all day! Malachi 3:6 says God never changes His mind! Allah has ABROGATED countless quranic verses in the quran
    Islam cant prove Muhammad is a prophet biblically, yet are ardently undeterred in their opinion he is.
    Muhammad doesnt qualify for the bibles criteria for prophethood from
    Gen 21:12 “God said … for in Isaac shall thy (Abrahams) seed be called”
    Nor does Muhammad qualify as a prophet from the quran but qualifies as its false prophet! Paul prophesy agrees! See Gal 1:8-9
    Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 5  Book #59 Hadith #713 says: (“I feel as if my aorta is being cut”) Proves Muhammads a false prophet b/c of Q 69:43-46 which says: (“if the Messenger were to attribute any false words to Us, We would seize him and cut his aorta“)

    • Dennis822

      All you stated is true.I wouldnt disagree with anything you have said but heres the kicker.Ever talk to a Muslim or one who is an Islamist? Funny how they give much respect to Jesus Christ saying he was a good man and a prophet.Although this, as a christian is incorrect ,in a way for we know he was those things but also GOD(YAHWEH) in the flesh come for our salvation and yet still respect him.Now ever talk to a Rabbi? ,a secular jew? or read the Talmud(modern judaism)? They despise and reject Jesus Christ(YESHUA) they say he was a sorcerer,a magician,The talmud states he is in hell now, being boiled in a cauldron of crap.Their words and teachings, certainly not mine.It amazes me how christians bash the muslim and yet have not a clue what most jews today think of our savior.Tell a jew that at the return of messiah they are going to convert to christianity and you better be ready for a fight, for they will go bonkers at that suggestion.I point all this out and share because christians need to know that ALL who are against messiah and do not believe will not be saved.Our enemies are vast and like vipers vile and deceptive.

      • RalphZ

        @Dennis822 In the military, I did a stint as a Chapel Manager and was supposedly punished by having to set up for the Jewish services on Friday and got to talk to the Rabbi.  He state Jesus was a good man that was used of God.  I asked him has he ever given consideration to the claims of Jesus stating that he is God in the flesh, (John 10:30 & John 8:58 KJB)?  I challenged him to actually read the New Testament.  A good man or a prophet will not make the claim to be God.  If he does, he is one of two types.  He is God in the flesh or he is on the same par as the man who claims to be scrambled eggs. 
         
        The Rabbi as well as several members of that small group saw me set up their tabernacle and Torah with the respect they deserved and I always went the extra mile to ensure the food they had afterward was totally kosher and acceptable by them.  Several times they even asked me to read, but I had to decline because I’m not Jewish but I follow one who was also God in the Flesh.  They did not believe the things you are writing about but they were Jews. 
         
        Have you ever taken a look at what regular people think of Jesus Christ?  They have very strong beliefs that he is fiction, that he was a lunatic, that he was a good man but when you corner them with facts as to what he taught, they go mad and will even physically attack you or do their best to make you lose your job. (I speak from experience.)  The Jews are not exclusive in having groups that reject Christ so just don’t point to just their groups when you have preachers in Churches that state Homosexuality and same sex marriage is Blessed by God, or that abortion is sanctioned by God or that teach the Bible is only as good as the secret knowledge you have to interpret it or even that it is fiction.  I pity these people because one day they will find out the hard way that God is not amused and will not allow any mercy at this judgment.
         
        Have a good day.

        • Dennis822

          Thank you for sharing.You do know that they just denied Jesus right? They denied who he really was right? and in doing so they just showed they were anti-christ.You do understand this right? Since you were a Chapel manager(not sure what that is) they  denied the messiah and yet you apparently just went along with it.Yeshuah Messiah(Jesus CHrist) was GOD(YAHWEH) in the flesh come for his lost sheep and died for our sins.To deny this is to deny the father and is the spirit of the ANTI-CHRIST!! What part of this do christians not understand.If they cannot even realize this then we are told they are not born of above and therefor are of below.Btw.If you take 100 anything and out of that 90 are the same 10 arent.The 10 do not suddenly prove the other 90 wrong but the exact opposite occures.A anomoly,mutation,ect does not speak for an entire group.Tell a orthodox jew that on the day of messiahs return they will all convert to christianity? and see what happens you better be ready for a fight.Thats one of the fallacies of christians.Thinking this way.Why do we have 2 distinct ,different religions if we both worship the same GOD? Judaism has nothing at all to do with Christianity and we never got our ways from them.Any Rabbi will tell you this.Also id point out the muslims say the same thing of Jesus so should we be buddies with them too? Should we send them billions of dllars too? Should we blindly support them as well?

        • RalphZ

          @Dennis822   I take it you have never read the New Testament. especially Romans 11:11-32.  You can go ahead and condemn me for helping them set up and doing my job I don’t mind.  I’ll stand with Israel and witness to them as I do all people for they need Christ also.  And I say let’s send them the money they need to help defend themselves.  But there is one difference between Muslims and Jews.  Muslims will kill you for dissing their religion but the Jews will not.  God to a Muslim controlled country and diss their religion or tell them that Mohammad is a false prophet and that Jesus is God in the flesh.  They will see how many quarts of blood you will bleed when they either stab you, beat you to death or behead you.  Think about it.

        • Dennis822

          Brother please dont assume.I have read the entire bible.I am not a new age new testament only christian but an entire bible believing one.The old testament has not been done away with as many christians today act like.you may believe as you like but Israel was never looked at as some land mass but a PEOPLE!! a covenant people.A peculiar people unto YAHWEH(GOD)I know full well the muslim, i also know that you must not know the jew.Go to parts of Israel and let them know your a christian? and its on.You can find these attacks everywhere.They hate Christ and they most assuredly hate Christians.You are under the false delusion, as most christians are,that the land in the middle east called Israel is full of YAHWEHs(GODs) people.When in fact it is not.I would ask that you research it but i have a feeling like most christians youd rather have your ears tickled but i pray im wrong.It took me 5 years of research,reading,praying to come to this.May YAHWEH(GOD) guide you.

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    EdnaR, you summed it up totally, Islam also known as Muslims are the eppidamy of Antichrist. I don’t know why we have to waste much time and money in these countries, oh I forgot we need their oil, well it’s backfiring. Now that spirit has filtered into the system, some hate women and would rather use them as foot  stool, Now we have people
    hating women for whatever they want. That’s why I refuse to believe that our president is muslim, he’s doing all that he can for women.

    • RalphZ

      @Holy Terror I remember being taught that if you wanted to destroy a child, or for that matter an adult, give them everything they want.  Put no boundaries on them and their inherent sin nature will destroy them by their insatiable lusts.  What is wrong is wrong but if you start calling it right and just, then you are cursed. (Proverbs 17:13, 15; 15:8,9,16,26; 30:20 KJB).  
       
      He is wicked and a Muslim for he is giving women everything they want, not need and forcing others to pay for it.  This is Tyranny.

  • RalphZ

    @Holy Terror Matthew 25:1-5 does not depict multiple marriage unless you twist not only the customs of that time and the meaning of the verses.  Want to try again?

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    Ralphz I see you are still at it, hating, our leaders instead of praying for them, because you have so much hate yourself. You see  President Obama is giving the women what Jesus want them to have, you see women have been the subject  of cruelty for years when they couldn’t vote, or forced to have children or sleep with monsters like they do in the third world countries, yet you are too stupid to understand, it seems to be okay for men to rape girls and women while they gloat about taking viagara. Now the world is full of mens corruption so somebody have to pay. Fear not daughter of zion your  king cometh riding a colt.

    • RalphZ

      @Holy Terror I don’t hate but you sure seem to.  When is raping girls and women right?  Rapists deserve death as far as I’m concerned.  Also anyone who gives false witness to punish someone should be punished with the same punishment.  That is justice.  Also if I hated, there would be bodies everywhere.  Hate is giving your child the drugs they believe they want.  Hate is teaching your child that sex is for fun and you initiate them into it.  Hate is taking a person and convincing them to blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd or on a school bus full of children.  Hate is putting your weapons in the middle of a populated civilian neighborhood to cause the maximum amount of killing if those you fire at fire back.  Hate is Hate and I don’t hate Obama.  I don’t pray for his death but I do not pray for his success.  I pray that he will find Christ as Saviour and Lord so he doesn’t spend eternity in torment. Prove, without twisting my words, that I hate.
       
      As far as abortion is concerned, it is murder of the unborn.  You claim it is what Jesus wanted, Prove it!  I can show you verses that say children are good and a blessing.  Anyone who has had them would tell you that a parent, a real parent, will LOVE them and do their best to take care of them.  To do best by them by teaching them not only Right from Wrong but also what is best for them.  Parents have a lot of pull where a child is concerned.

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    Ralphz, If you still deny that Psalm 58 describes an abortion procedure for an untimely pregnancy, its not a child it’s a fetus. You trepass if you say that an egg is a chicken. Yes children are a blessing when they are done according to the will of God, but when the government pushes birth control on women and children it’s because sex is out of control then they blame God. If you deny that Numbers 24:17 is a prophecy of what Jesus purpose is for any untimely pregnancy you deny the word of God and Christ is not in you. Ralphz Jesus said the least you do unto the sinners you have done it to him. If you refuse to accept abortion for sinners you take away the grace of God from them, and you do this unto him not the sinner. Psalm 69:4, Matt. 5:11, John 15:25, Psalm 35, tells of how people hate Jesus without a cause so do you when you insist on running after strange flesh(unborn), some children will never know Jesus because of their retarded state, but I guess you think they are going to lead the country to victory.  Not hardly

  • http://peoplepc.com/ Holy Terror

    Dennis822, When I visited Israel over 15 years ago, I was appalled at the situation there, many of the people don’t believe in Jesus and they don’t believe he is the son of God. How is it that we that have never seen believe. I don’t know exactly what went on there but, when they say he came to his own and they received him not. I see.  Then you have those that do believe. Is it the Messsanic Jews that consider themselves christians but the Orothodox Jews  just like the Muslims. they deny that Jesus  is the son of God. It’s strange because the old testament reveal prophecies throughout the entire bible describing Jesus. Yet they believe they go by the old testament but know not what they believe. I’m thankful that  Jesus Christ is savior of the world. Again in Cairo Egypt, I was there and it’s the same way, women are nothing but floor mats to some men I believe that’s why these countries fight like cats and dogs, No Jesus no peace, but to know Jesus you no peace.

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    Ralphz, I know you don’t hate on purpose, and I would be lying if I said there’s no hate in me, Sololom said there’s a time to hate just like theres a season for everything. I hate in general things I must do, but I try not to hate personally. because we are all humans and we make mistakes, yet that is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins.  However with the different hate groups out there and the attacks I receive in standing  on the word makes it easy for me to have  righteous indignation. Hating don’t give you permission to kill up people,  that kind of hatred is .triggered by revenge until they think they’re doing it for God, If a martryed have to take a life to prove they are martryreds only proves they are self-willed and arrogrant, and will die in vain.  But you murder by slander your word can kill people when you slander the term abortion. I would say that Jesus will smite the unborn, because it’s a form of correction, God states that as many as he loves he chastise..  Many people are proud of their children, even if they didn’t do the right thing by them, it don’t mean it’s all  well, You know that Charles Mansion hated his mother, so did alot of other serial killers.

    • RalphZ

      @Holy Terror Hating someone can lead you to kill them without revenge.  Also hating your brother makes you a murderer. (1 John 3:15 KJB)   You do not need permission to kill people if you hate them you will most likely kill them because in hating them you would refuse to even give any help if they needed it.  Also who have I slandered?  Abortion is not moral or ethical.  Jesus would not have supported it because in God’s Holy Word it states that children are from the Lord, so why would he kill what he gives you? (Psalms 127:3-5 KJB)  God chastens us but he does not kill us in the womb.  (Hebrews 6-11 KJB)  I do believe someone has been feeding you lies and twisting scripture with the skill of Satan.

  • RalphZ

    @Holy Terror  you said, “Ralphz, If you still deny that Psalm 58 describes an abortion procedure for an untimely pregnancy, its not a child it’s a fetus. You trepass if you say that an egg is a chicken. Yes children are a blessing when they are done according to the will of God, but when the government pushes birth control on women and children it’s because sex is out of control then they blame God. If you deny that Numbers 24:17 is a prophecy of what Jesus purpose is for any untimely pregnancy you deny the word of God and Christ is not in you. Ralphz Jesus said the least you do unto the sinners you have done it to him. If you refuse to accept abortion for sinners you take away the grace of God from them, and you do this unto him not the sinner. Psalm 69:4, Matt. 5:11, John 15:25, Psalm 35, tells of how people hate Jesus without a cause so do you when you insist on running after strange flesh(unborn), some children will never know Jesus because of their retarded state, but I guess you think they are going to lead the country to victory.  Not hardly”
     
    You are WRONG! Psalm 58 is not about abortion.  Numbers 24:17 is not a prophecy Jesus purpose about untimely pregnancies.  Your other references are also wrong.  You twist scripture and the best example is when you twist Matthew 18:3-7, 10-14.  These are protected in that the person who goes against them, well I hope you will read it and take it at it’s word instead of what you think it should mean.  Abortion is the murdering of a gift from God and I’ve already showed you verses that prove that without trying to twist them to fit what you want them to say.  Christ is in me and I do not deny his Holy Word.

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    Dennis822, You are right about that, just  because Jesus walked the streets of Israel, means nothing, when I went there about 15 years ago, a women told me that a jewish lady approach someon wearing a crucifix and slapped him and said “Your Jesus can  do nothing for me”, that’s when I found out the truth.. I had to take my cross off that nouldn’t offend anyone. We don’t know how blessed we are in American