Pro-Abortion Activists Call For The Rape of Legislators’ Daughters

Martin Luther King Jr. Said: “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

Hatred feels good. Let me first admit that. There is a feeling of satisfaction that comes with hatred, unlike any other. However, that feeling quickly turns sour, making your stomach feel uneasy and your mind dark. That’s because hatred accomplishes nothing; hatred poisons your own mind. Nothing can be created with hatred as its driving factor.

The Left commonly uses hateful tactics to intimidate their enemies, because they have nothing substantive to use against you. Case in point: the Texas abortion legislature battle.

According to Life News:

“The paid protesters opposing the late-term abortion ban in Texas are doing more than rallying outside the legislature against the pro-life bill. They’re threatening pro-life state legislators and their staffers. Death threats, harassing emails and phone calls and calls for their daughters to be raped are among the hate targeted at pro-life lawmakers from the small contingent of abortion activists upset that Texas would consider banning abortions on babies at viability.

And according to the Washington Times: “Pro-choice protesters shouted, ‘Hail Satan!’ as an attempt to drown out pro-lifers’ rendition of ‘Amazing Grace.’“

Let me ask you: What can be accomplished with hate mail? What can be accomplished with hoping for rape? What can be accomplished by chanting “Hail Satan?” It is useless, guttural filth pouring forth from the mouths of those who have within their hearts an overabundance of hate. It constructs nothing. There is no solution offered, nor is there any thoughtful discussion being initiated with words like these.

But the Left cannot abide thoughtful debate or conversation. Their minds are not built to understand anything but that which they already believe. They see their opposition, not as people with souls, personalities, and thoughtful opinions, but as evil, degenerate hate-mongers. With that mindset, true debate will never take place.

That is the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals: Conservatives are willing to engage their opposition with logical arguments, and Liberals only know what they believe. As Sun Tzu said: “know your enemy.”

Conservatives know their opponents. Liberals do not know their opponents. That is why the Left resorts to hatred, and death threats. That’s all they have. They have no information about their opponents’ beliefs, because they cannot comprehend them. It is a neurological block.

The hatred to which the Left resorts will only serve to harden their hearts, creating a cycle of cruelty that cannot be stopped. Whether or not it is this mental block that causes Liberalism, or Liberalism that creates the mental block, it holds their minds captive; it doesn’t allow new information to enter.

We can never resort to their tactics. It is only the truth that can set us free. Darkness cannot drive out darkness, but a single pinpoint of light can drive darkness back into hiding. We have to be better.







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  • Evermyrtle

    First of all, I must disagree, hate is a miserable thing. You see I hate the evil that is rampage in the world today, no, not the people, the actions of people. It makes one feel so helpless, to see the country run over by the godless, but what can we do? Best of all, “Give it to GOD.” HE knows what to do,HE will send JESUS CHRIST to wipe it all out , we must have faith. In the main time we can speak up for HIM. We do not need to hide in a corner somewhere, afraid to say a word against the evil He is with us, we, who love HIM, are in HIS HANDS.
    Except for that you are pretty much in line with what is going on. We must protect our children, do not allow them to walk around town or in the country, alone. Many children have got kidnapped and killed walking home from school alone, especially our girls. Don’t even think, ‘This will not happen here!” It is much better to take care 1,000,000 times that to be wrong just one time.

    • DisguestedChristian

      Evermyrtle  Very well said.   If a nation lacks God in their hearts and thoughts, then there is no evil that they will not do.  It is a disease that only God can heal.  We have to trust in Him and speak up when it is required.  The farther this country goes away from God, the worse it will get.  Just because we are outnumbered does not mean we do not fight.  True courage is fighting when the odds are against you.  We may not win, but God is with us and victory is in Him.  We need to go back to the old fashioned God-fearing days.  Days when men were men and not greedy, selfish cowards. If our founding fathers could see us now, they would probably throw up and spit us out of their mouths like God will.  Our abominations against God have gone far enough! It is time we Christians stand up for what is right, even in the face of persecution and opposition!

      • Evermyrtle

        DisguestedChristian Evermyrtle 
        You are right, we stand or we fall, I will go out fighting the wickedness that is taking over.

        • DisguestedChristian

          Evermyrtle DisguestedChristian We fight with words and actions.  Love should fuel your desire to see people change.  We will “NEVER” become traitors or terrorists to our government.  We will love and obey them whenever possible, except when they start asking us to do things against God.  That is where we draw the line.  No matter what government says or does, I will always pray, read my King James Bible, and obey God to the end.  Sacrifice is never easy, but God is with us and will give us his courage and grace to go through it.

  • BobE

    This is the PERFECT example of how you people have somehow got EVERYTHING upside down & backwards! 
    “the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals: Conservatives are willing to engage their opposition with logical arguments” ??? HA !! Is that a joke??? GOP legislators are passing anti abortion laws in the middle of the night under false pretenses while others will NOT allow opposition to speak! What LOGICAL arguments do you speak of? The GOP’s “magic sperm” theory when a woman is “legitimately raped” her “juices don’t flow” & her body “shuts down” to “prevent pregnancy”?
    “Conservatives know their opponents. Liberals do not know their opponents. That is why the Left resorts to hatred, and death threats” “We can never resort to their tactics”.?? Christians have been intimidating MD’s that preform abortions for YEARS by EVERY means possible including KILLING them!
    “They (the left) have no information about their opponents’ beliefs, because they cannot comprehend them”? Of course we do! The toxic fairytale you believe in has been forced down our throats for years
    “It is only the truth that can set us free” The paid protesters opposing the late-term abortion”  The protesters are not paid & 24 weeks isn’t “late term”

    • songdaddi

      BobE I agree that the GOP has done underhanded things as well as the Dems and I also agree that some misguided individuals intimidate and even kill trying to stop abortion. These are not Christians Bob. Just like all anti abortion folks are not liberal, just not of a Christian belief system. I will pray for you Bob and your family in the name of Jesus Christ. If you read up on His story you will see compassion and Love.
                                               God Bless you Bob and all Liberals that there eyes will someday be opened to the possibility that they are not right about everything.

    • Saynotoliberals

      A fool says in his heart “There is no God”

      • DisguestedChristian

        Saynotoliberals That would be Psalm 14:1.

    • gadfly32

      @4 weeks is 6months. 6 months of a 9 month pregnencyis certain late term 3/4 of the term

    • snowymorning

      BobE 
      YOur avatar says it all. YOu have no belief in God at all. YOu blame everyone but yourself. Start looking for the truth. If not you have doomed yourself. 
       YOur live in lala land with no facts. You believe in abortion which is the killing of a life.That is quite acceptable to you.
      You libs are the paid protestors. I have never protested but will challenge someone who thinks aborting a baby is fine.  It isn’t 
       I’ve know women who were tormented the rest of their lives for aborting her child.  
       YOu need to get read facts and then you might learn something.  
      Stop yelling and find out real facts. Our society continues to deteriorate with values now gone.  
      Obama and lefties like you are find with allowing children give the morning after pill to children ages 11,12,13,14,15,16, 1. So now children no longer need parents.  Libs want thir chldren to have sex at ana early ages and gee take a pill to abort it or waiting until the baby is full term before you decide. 
      This is where we are now. No values or morals anymore. Sodom and Gomarrah comes to mind. This is where liberalism has taken us and Obama is the one pushing it and giving you libs permission to destroy all values. and to destroy children

      • Roeech

        snowymorning BobE What liberals can fathom or reason – abortion or abortion drugs affect the hormones of a woman’s body.  What you destroy or block will show up elsewhere in the body as nature does not allow a vacuum.  Pure science and that is why many woman won’t even admit they are having mental and physical problems after an abortion.  The body has a long memory for everything done to it or entering it.  I would assume several of those protesting have had abortions and are mentally and physically reacting to the hormones disturbed by same.

    • Barnlady

      BobE You do know that abortion was started by a “lie” don’t you?? It has been the “law of the land” for 40 years.. Please tell me what anti-abortion bill was passed in the middle of the night?? The one in Texas went into the night because the “lady” wouldn’t shut up.. So, Bob if we give you abortions for rape and incest can we stop the rest??? I doubt that you have had to comfort a woman that has tried to get PG after an abortion killed the only child she would ever have… Now when you speak of LOGICAL arguments, I hope you not trying to convince anyone that she is carrying “tissue” instead of a baby, are you?? You are certainly a very angry person…

    • dexter60

      BobE ::
      Put your personal religious choices aside a moment before you attack another’s religion. Before you pontificate. You are out of your depth.
      If you cannot tell the diffeence between right ad Wrong because of your fixations and means of measurement, there is no discussion possible with your mindless outbursts communicating nothing.

      • SharonTaylor

        dexter60 BobE Boobie says what he say because he is trying to get a rise out of people on this page. Mostly, I just flag him as offensive. To reply to him feeds his need for confrontation.

        • dexter60

          SharonTaylor dexter60 BobE :: Thanks for the tip — sometimes tho’ it feels good just to tell smeone when they haven’t quite said something when they really want so very badly to be a part of an adult conversation.
          You make a good point. Ciao.

    • zenock

      BobE   Sounds like the devil rationalizing murder to me. The problem is Bobe can’t realize he was in the womb at one time and if it were not for a moral society he may not be making these post. If rape was the only lawful reason for an abortion that would stop about 99.5 of abortions, so don’t play that game. Folks truly are in a world of demonically possessed people ready to come out the woodwork.

  • texanna

    I would be interested in learning if any of the scum suckers are arrested for making terroristic threats?

  • MikeSlaney

    Liberal vs. Conservative and you ask why?

    To Anger a Conservative, tell him a Lie
    To Anger a Liberal, tell him the Truth.
    If a Conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
    If a Liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns banned.
    If a Conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches
    the channel.
    If a Liberal doesn’t like a talk show host, they demand it
    be shut down or silenced.
    If a Conservative is non-believer, he doesn’t go to Church.
    If a Liberal is a non-believer, he wants any mention of God
    or Religion silenced.

    • snowymorning

      MikeSlaney  
      liberalism a disease.  good post

  • CaptTurbo

    What are these people smoking? How can they deviate so far from decency?

    • snowymorning

      CaptTurbo  
      Many people lack God in their hearts and minds. When you ignore God then the devil become their friends

      • DisguestedChristian

        snowymorning CaptTurbo You become like those you associate with.  You associate with the devil, you will become like him.  Plain and simple.

        • DisguestedChristian

          snowymorning I know what I am and am not afraid to say it.  Your words mean nothing to me.

        • snowymorning

          DisguestedChristian snowymorning  
          Good . YOu still need to find your way

        • DisguestedChristian

          snowymorning DisguestedChristian You think so.  It is not my way.  It is God’s way and I know what I believe.  You cannot shake me down.   I will defend my faith to the end, even death.  Death shall free me from this sinful world.

        • DisguestedChristian

          snowymorning DisguestedChristian None of us are perfect and becoming more like God is a process that takes time.  None of us will become like Him 100% till we reach Heaven and receive our perfect, new bodies.

    • DisguestedChristian

      CaptTurbo Decency? What is decency? I would hate to find out what their version of decency is.  Being taught in Evolution that man are animals will make them act like animals.  Decency is long gone.  If you believe in decency and morals, you are considered weird and different.

  • mombus

    Many people do not have the love of God in their hearts, and so these souls think killing a baby in the womb is not so bad.  And threatening bodily harm to someone’s daughter by rape makes those souls feel righteous and happy.  These individuals also do not like to hear “Jesus”, “God”, “a baby”, etc.  It is sad that they have yet to know what life is about.  And I don’t consider myself superior in any way; I’m a forgiven sinner.  Ask Jesus into your heart.  It will do you good..

    • DisguestedChristian

      mombus Very well said.  They are advocating and asking people to knowingly break the law.  Good is bad and bad is good now.

  • dudley74

    “The Liberal Mind – the Psychological Causes of Political Madness” by Lyle H. Rossiter, MD. Liberalism is a mental illness.

    • Saynotoliberals

      dudley74 Wonder if liberalism is covered under Obamacare?

      • dudley74

        Saynotoliberals dudley74 Unknown at this time, 300 pages of new regs are written everyday, but they absolutely should receive treatment. I would suggest starting with maximum doses of Thorazine followed by a frontal lobotomy. There may be hope after that.

      • snowymorning

        Saynotoliberals dudley74  
        Obamacare is liberalism and visa versa

  • Saynotoliberals

    Typical for liberals – big mouths, small brains.

    • iamwdm2

      Saynotoliberals

    • iamwdm2

      you are 1/2 correct,  Big Mouths and no Brains

      • Saynotoliberals

        iamwdm2 I stand corrected.  Thanks

        • iamwdm2

          Either way, they be very sick, pray for them!!

        • DavidPeacock

          iamwdm2 as is their radical leader in the White House; remember who spawned this vitriolic attitude; satan obama is their leader.

      • SharonTaylor

        iamwdm2 Actually, they keep forgetting to retrieve their brain from the Lab.

        • DonBahn1

          SharonTaylor iamwdm2 They picked up the brain from the lab, the one marked ABBY-NORMAL.

        • SharonTaylor

          DonBahn1 SharonTaylor iamwdm2 Thanks for the chuckle

  • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

    SEE, I told you they are all Satan’s spawned persons, all they think of is SELF!

  • soldiermom11

    As usual, it’s not the conservatives threatening people’s daughters. This is inciteful speech and should be prosecuted.  There should be consequences. If a kid can’t have a pop tart shaped like a gun, how is this threatening speech tolerated.

    • DavidPeacock

      soldiermom11 the hypocrisy and uncontrolled emotional viciousness of these radical left wingers renders only one solution ; they must be euthanized.

  • rchguns

    It is hard to believe that America has sunk so low that this type of rhetoric in pure hatred still exists. America is better than that or at least it was. His hateful people are products of the social progressive network. They start learning his children in the indoctrination camps that we refer to as public schools. At the top of the agenda in the schools is to remove all sense of responsibility in any thought of morality is quickly squashed.
    Like that old saying pointed out that whatever seeds that you sow, will be what you reap. Basically for schools of people the brains of a generation that has absolutely no respect for anyone or anything including themselves. So baby has no work bearing on them than a hamburger they put their mouth. If the baby is going to be an inconvenience just kill it that’s what it’s come down to.

    I really and truly do not know if America is going to survive and if it does work country will become?

    • Emslykarl

      History has demonstrated that all great empires , kingdoms and ivilizations , were destroyed from within due to moral decay ! This is the greatest threat facing America today ; not Iran ! We can not remove God from our culture and expect any different result than what we see before us today . God gave the Nation of Israel 2000 years to mend their ways , but they refused and their ” city and their temple was destroyed ” by the Roman army in 70 AD . 500 years later , the Roman Empire imploded under the sheer weight of it’s decadence . France ? Same story in 1800 ! We’re next ! Actually , if you want some insight into what’s coming, just study Revelation 13 and 17 . That’s one book you can rely on !

      • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

        Emslykarl I fully agree!
        Perhaps as a suggestion, study both Daniel and Revelation together as one can’t be fully understood without the other! Especially the 2300 day/years,  C. Eze. 4:6 ,16 and Numbers 14:34 one day=1 year in prophecy only!
        http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com

      • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

        mslykarl: I agree!
        May I suggest a study of Revelation should be with one on Daniel as well, as each is but an “overlay” for the other, but without Daniel much of Revelation is not easily grasped’ Especially the latter times post {1844}  2300 days/years of Daniel 1 day= 1 year in prophecy Eze. 4:6,16; Num. 14:34.

  • Emslykarl

    Plato compared ignorance to living in a cave from birth , with only a small opening in the roof of the cave that allowing a beam of light from the Sun . The occupants are chained so they can only see that single beam of light , and nothing else ! if they were to be released from the cave , they would be unable to know that what they were looking at was reality , but rather mere shadows from that siingle beam of light which to them was reality ! That’s what I think happens with Liberals ; they are so accustomed to a single beam of light ( what they believe ) that they are blind to reality ! All other beliefs are mere shadows of what they believe to be the only reality – Progressivism ! Sad but true !

  • DavidPeacock

    and since civil discourse and mutual self respect have vanished in this issue;; let’s just go kill all these radical malcontents and put them out of their insidious misery. why were these pieces of feces not victims of their mothers option for an abortion? then they would in lala land and not here on earth.

    • Roeech

      DavidPeacock Probably hated their mothers.  Also, I think these women hate men and hence offspring as a result of hate.  If the mean are pro-abortion, one can state they don’t want the responsibility of being adults, nor spend their money on anyone but themselves.

  • Greg Miller

    Reasonable argument could be made that violent crime dropped in the ’90’s because an entire generation of criminals was aborted in the ’70’s.

  • jb80538

    Those pro abortion (liberals) are mentally ill!

  • popham

    Gosh, what’s the big surprise here?  Liberals, Democrats, progressives and especially unions have always
    behaved like this.  With ignorance and well-implanted liberal ideologies, they employ every dastardly, dirty
    trick in the book if they do not get their way, even insofar as beating people up; so nasty, threatening emails
    and phonecalls regardingf rape is nothing new….is it?  Liberals and Democrats comprise a mere 30% of the
    U.S. population, yet because they are the loudest and most repugnant political force, they get more attention,
    and of course the liberal MSM cow-tows to them consistently.
    Perhaps we should start playing dirty like them.
    Good luck, America.

    • ElizabethClark

      popham not the answer

    • DRLJR

      popham No – we should just continue to present the truth and real facts to everyone via any legitimate means possible.

  • DonBahn1

    One can walk into a dark room and light a candle or turn on the lights, and the darkness goes away. No one can turn on darkness, darkness IS THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT. Liberals love the dark, light reveals that they are fathered by satan.

    • popham

      And so the history of mankind reminds us, even today, about light and darkness, for a
      very long time ago, perhaps before the Egyptians and their sun god Reh, a few extremely
      smart, elite group of men discovered that by preaching light and darkness to the masses,
      that they could control and manipulate them into religious beliefs.
      Light represents good.  Dark is bad.  Gods (for the most part) are good. Dark represents
      evil and satan. It was such a simple theory and down through the ages, shamans, monks,
      priests, popes, pharoahs, rabbis, clerics and imams have used light and dark to underscore
      and ‘prove’ the existence of good (light) and evil (dark).  Always need a crutch in life,
      the masses fell for this……hook, line and sinker.
      In spite of knowing all this, we still attend a Christian church every Sunday morning.

      • jojac

        popham 
        “Gods (for the most part) are good.”  ???  There is only one God and He is absolute good.
        There are many gods and they are false idols.
        The problem with most churches is that for decades they have not  been exposing the darkness to the light.  They have ignored evil and looked the other way.  In the thirties the German church ignored  the evil  and they elected a dictator and a despot  and the holocaust resulted with  11 million people perishing  as the result. The church has not changed since that and we elected a dictator and a rising despot and a holocaust is coming.

        • DouglasMRoy

          jojac popham I agree, but unlike Nazi Germany we have butchered 58 + million of our own babies already and who knows how many nations we have interfered with and killed their people or caused them to be killed? The hand of God will be the one butchering Americans in the coming judgment. God in his mercy will send preacher(s) to warn us of this impending doom, so that some may turn to His son and find mercy. But this judgment is coming. Disasters and troubles will increase in this land and all the while the false Christian churches will appease their people with lies that it is not God doing it, even as they’ve done for the most part already. American’s pride is going before their destruction.

      • DonBahn1

        popham Just attending a “Christian” church, does not make one a Christian. A Christian has been born again, into a Father son relationship with God, if you are truly born again it shows, if you just say you are a Christian it too shows. God is LOVE, a born-again Christian has Joy, gives Love, is at peace when all s#$t hits the fan, and has compassion for the ones no one else Loves, forgives freely, lays hands on the sick and they recover. A relationship with God our Father is LOVE. A relationship with satan the father of lies is filled with anguish, jealousy, fear, hate, un-forgiveness, loneliness, and holds grudges.

        • DRLJR

          DonBahn1 popham The Calvinist discussed this idea in detail in their theology.  They have the idea of the visible church which is those that profess to be Christians – i.e. saved by Christ and the invisible church which is those that are saved by Christ.  The two groups overlap but are not the same.  The fact that many “Christian” sanction deviant behaviors and things clearly anti-Christian/God in nature show this dichotomy between the visible and invisible church.

        • popham

          Thank you for your inspiring and brilliant analysis of our personal
          Christianity………….not.

  • Roeech

    How disgusting can you get?  Liberals know because they cannot reason, be logical, or discuss anything rationally.  Now if you or I were to shout or suggest these hateful things, Obama and friends would be on our butts like yesterday!

  • willyt

    These miserable Progressives know what they are doing and that makes them scoundrels.  It’s not just about infanticide.  Lerner knows she is a bald faced liar along with the press secretary, the FBI director, the NSA director, Pelosi and Obama.  The list of Progressive liars seems endless.  They know they are covering up and lying about unpopular decisions.  They are choosing to lie. They want to lie.  How can they live with their shame?

    • jojac

      willyt 
      They don’t have any shame, their conscience is “seared”.

  • ElizabethClark

    This administration has caused the hatred going on, I know we were living in peace before 2008

    • jojac

      ElizabethClark 
      Community Organizers use dissatisfaction as the method to gain control. Get  the people unhappy so that they  will cry out  “somebody please do something.”

  • DebbieRadziewicz

    really, most rape does not result in pregnancy and if it does….to murder the baby doesn’t take away the rape.  The damage of rape stays with you all of your life and so will the murder.  The baby is the innocent life not being considered and with so many waiting for adoption there is no reason for abortion.  Murder is wrong no matter which way you look at it.

  • kstev3265

    They clearly are not of God, they are true followers of Satan!

  • paleophlatus

    If THAT doesn’t qualify as “hate” speech, what the Hell does ?

  • RedMeatState

    does this truly surprise anyone??

    • zenock

      RedMeatState  Well…Yeah… chanting hail Satan….that’s a tad disturbing. I wonder how long it will be before they start boiling Christians in tar pits?

      • RedMeatState

        zenock RedMeatState won’t happen unless we relinquish our guns first.  I don’t really see that happening.

    • DRLJR

      RedMeatState No.  This is straight out of “Rules for Radicals” and other Left-wing philosophies.

  • BurtonHughes

    Some, so called pro-choice used tactics which violated felony laws and should be prosecuted. Paid lobbyists may have also been a violation of state laws. If they were not each licensed, then the organizers might could be charged with conspiracy to disrupt the State legislature and be held liable for any license fee for each lobbyists since these lobbyists were their employees.

    • RedMeatState

      BurtonHughes you have no argument.   of the very few in a that have violated any laws at all in pales in comparison to the tens of millions that have been slaughtered for profit or the negligence that has harmed or killed the mothers.  How many Gosnells are out there that haven’t been prosecuted??  Abortion is murder regardless of the excuse you wish to paint around it.

  • knussel

    They should all get treated the same way they wished upon others.These people are SICKOS big time and ALL OBAMA lovers

  • ssh49tn

    They are full of satan, & that’s why they hate so much. Anything that is good & decent is feared & hated by satan & all his demons. And, what goes around, comes around. These people WILL get their ‘just’ reward, & it won’t be pretty.

    • timpclimber

      ssh49tn You know it is truth when it ennobles, clarifies and eventually leads you Christ.  Untruth is just the opposite.  That’s why they are filled with so much hate, hate that will eventually destroy them.  As I once read, many are punished by their sins long before being punished for them.

  • glplank

    As a Christian I pray for all who do not see the light.  One of my closest friends is an atheist.  He harbors no ill will toward me or others of faith.  I continue to pray that he too will see the light.  Recently he married a believer.  She too is praying for him.  Hell is full of those who cannot grasp the concept of Jesus Christ as their savior.  Leading by example and referencing where faith, hope, and love reside allows for all of us to pause and continue our pursuit of the truth.  I pray all who believe will summon the courage and wisdom to live and desseminate the truth.

    • DonBahn1

      glplank Live your life in the fullness of God, freely love as God loves, lay hands on the sick, they shall recover, live with inexplicable JOY, respond to violance with peace. Your life lived should create a Godly jealousy in those around you, then preach the Gospel to them.

  • DRLJR

    Excellent article and its description of the Left is so accurate.  Since what the Left does is always based upon emotion and without foundation in facts and reason what they try always eventually fails.  This is why what we call Conservatives can decided something is not working when the evidence says it is not working.  Conservatives are no so emotionally invested in things that they get blinded to reality.

  • ronalford

    He’s right on target.  Like Pelosi, “Let’s pass it so we can find out what’s in it”.  God is love, and without God there is no love; only lust, hate, and confusion.  He tells us “Let us reason together, saith the Lord”, but without His Son, Jesus Christ we don’t have the ability.

  • JimPelmere

    split the country in half. perverts to one side all others on the right!

  • Mbmsn1

    This is so sick! Dr. Michael Savage said it best, “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”!

    • SpendusMaximus

      Mbmsn1 An incurable mental illness!

  • lavender lady

    Did ever notice how the left says that conservative folks are racist ,haters etc. Well, I think it is the other way around. The left are the biggist bullies around. When a person does,t agree with them they resort to name calling and hate speeches .I think it is a shame the way this country is going. Never have I’ve seen so much hate. We need to bring back values in this country. I think the old time religion is the way to do it. People need to start standing up for their beliefs and lets stop this hatred. Just my opinion.

  • Lady Liberty

    Since the USA is apparently very adept at tracking emails, etc., I suggest those who’ve received these hateful threats find the originator and bring suit for threats of bodily harm to their daughters!!! Why do we always just sit and let these inciters get away with their garbage?????  C’mon, America…. where’s our fighting spirit on the homefront?????

    • Donna346

      Lady Liberty Its a goo thing i don’t have a daughter thats been threatned with rape—OR raped!  That Rape would be the LAST ONE the rapisist done!

  • still praying

    how do i post this on my facebook

  • jmooring

    Rabid! With hatred!
    Frank  I disagree slightly with you regarding your statement about conservatives knowing our enemy. Generally conservatives conduct themselves like this is a battle of ideas and don’t realize that hatred is the driving force in all the progressives efforts.
     The gnashing of teeth by the pregressive elites shows once again that they are rabidly driven by hatred. Hatred of “traditional America”, “traditional Americans” , the constitution, and anything with the aroma……of Christ.
     Look at the Martin/Zimmerman situation.  Zimmerman represents all things hated. It is a rallying issue for liberal (progressives)who preceive themselves as victims of the “oppressive” Christian culture. If you question my describtion of their “hatred”, think about how they feel about Justice Clarence Thomas, Sara Palin, the Tea Party, the founding fathers. Hatred has driven them to dig up our Founding Fathers and defame them and teach our children distain for them and their principles.  What next??

  • SpendusMaximus

    “calls for their daughters to be raped”  All the more reason to carry a large caliber handgun and a full click.

    • lavender lady

      SpendusMaximus Yes sir

  • Breed

    I often hear comments like “we’re better than that” or we shouldn’t stoop to their level.

     I vehemently disagree with that line of reasoning. There is an old adage that comes to mind.
     Fight fire with fire.    let me say it again, fight fire with fire!
     It’s a proven technique.

     For years the progressives and for the most part the democratic party have fought well in the trenches slinging mud and often false accusations that never get really challenged and they have been winning the fight for the hearts and minds of enough of the people allowing them to make numerous gains as they strive to destroy the traditional  American way of life.. 
    The democratic party is the party of cross dressers, queers, baby killers, and apologists for  islamic jihadists who are infiltrating our country in plain view. Making nice has gotten us nowhere. Fifty years ago none of this would have occurred. That’s not to say that the progressives weren’t active then, they just weren’t as brazen. it is high time we on the right act as we’ve been accused and go on the attack.
     What is “Gay”? It used to mean lighthearted and merry. Now it’s been  co-opted  to give a little undeserved respect to the practitioners of sodomy.
     A “woman’s right to choose”  disallows a babies right to live but that’s perfectly acceptable to the abortion lovers. 
    Maybe if some of  these sweethearts kept their legs together it wouldn’t be necessary to murder so many helpless little babies. But then that is asking a lot for these new liberated women and the brainless sperm factories that impregnate them with little or no concern for the outcome.
     Yeah folks, I am highly pissed off and damn sick and tired of turning the other cheek. For all I care,they can take all their sicko labels like islamophobe or homophobic or whatever they like to call anyone who disagrees with them, write them down on a piece of paper and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
    It’s past time to stop appeasing these subhuman crud!

    • Robert Wayne

      Breed I couldn’t agree more.  I’m sick and tired of turning the other cheek to these Satanic drips who in actuality are communist scum.

      • Breed

        Robert Wayne Breed I took the liberty to look at some of your previous posts. You and I are pretty much in agreement on most things. I have lived in the South for just shy of 50 of my 74 years and my total allegiance is to all things southern although I’m no quitet as strong in my aversion to blacks as you. There are a few I consider decent like Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams for instance, but the majority of them I wouldn’t trust in an  outhouse with a muzzle on.
         Even those who would  befriend a white will almost  always side with blacks against that same white in a confrontational situation .

         99 % of the robberies, muggings, home invasions, carjackings and so in this area are “performed” by members of the  negro race. The cost to the taxpayers for their crimes, incarceration, so called  rehabilitation and of course unfettered breeding by the welfare queens is probably beyond comprehension. No doubt we would have been far better of as a nation had they never been brought here but they are here and until we learn to deal with them realistically instead of coddling them and giving them constant most favored victim status they are going to be a serious problem that may require reciprocal force to contain.

  • DoubleDave

    If there was equal  justice those people would be in jail charged with “Terrorist threats”

  • OhGator

    This group of people are really nut cases. They are single topic only. The nation is going to hell and all these people are rioting about is abortion. And rape? This is one of the most disgusting displays I have ever heard of. They have learned well, from Obama. Just threatened those with whom you disagree. Obama has contributed so much to the course discourse of the nation. Lies and threats.

  • donl

    All those bleeding heart liberals are now our Enemies. I grew up in the flower power, free love, the grateful dead, acid and pot generation. Didn’t take me long to hate these people because I was in the Viet Nam war. I remember those people who were shouting hateful things about our country. THEY WERE AND STILL ARE OUR ENEMY, pure progressive Communists. Their names and addresses should be made public.

    • lavender lady

      donl Thanks for you comment. My brother was spit upon when he came home from Vietnam by these hateful people.

      • Always a Marine

        lavender lady donl 
        The two of you speak to the reality of that era.  It was mine too.  While in Nam I’d get newspaper stories w/ pictures of leftists carrying NVA/VC flags down the streets of America.   And then I’d read of their condemnation of America’s military calling them “pirates” and “war criminals” and supporting the communists.
        That’s all I needed to see to understand what the left and the democrat party actually stood for. 
        I despise them to this day, because their agenda hasn’t changed.  In fact, it’s intensified as they’ve gained more power.  The progressive democrats are nothing but subversive Marxists.

    • DonBahn1

      donl I was in the Navy 1972-76, we were told not to go off base in uniform. The locals would start fights 4 on 1. Our base commander loaded trucks with sailors and gave them clubs, took them to the local mall and said anyone between 14 and 21 is fair game have at it.
      Other bases paid with 2 dollar bills, just to let the locals know where their money comes from.
      Liberalism is a brain defect.

  • CharlotteJuett

    For all their talk of tolerance, the left only tolerates it’s own brand of hatred.

    • Evermyrtle

      CharlotteJuett  Their brand of hatred is the hate of GOD and HIS SON, the things that we as Christians know is evil, such as like homosexuality, sex with animals, wife swapping and baby murder, and all of us that hate this evil, all of us that are Christians. The are swiftly tearing down all that is good and replacing it with evil. I do not believe we will last 3 1/2 more years. The are arranging an upheaval so that they can take our guns and if we do not get together and form our own militia we will not be able to protect ourselves.  They will not come to our doors and ask for our guns, they will come armed and walk in and get them , if we protest the will kill us. When they come it will be when we least expect it, armed and ready to kill us.

  • Curmudge

    So, when these women finish calling for other people’s daughters to be raped, do they go home to their nice homes and play games with their own daughters? Or did they kill them before they were born? I almost feel sorry for them, but I’d prefer to defeat them.

  • DouglasMRoy

    “They see their opposition, not as people with souls, personalities, and thoughtful opinions, but as evil, degenerate hate-mongers.”  They project upon their enemies the very state of their own hearts, but think themselves to be loving, kind, and good.
    “Whether or not it is this mental block that causes Liberalism, or Liberalism that creates the mental block, it holds their minds captive; it doesn’t allow new information to enter.” As it says in Romans 1, God has given them over to a reprobate mind, or a mind void of sound judgment. They are slaves of their own sin. Such people cannot be overcome with debate and reason, only power and truth. Unless we ourselves bow and submit our lives to the Lord Jesus, we can never defeat such people. We need the power of the Holy Ghost, the wisdom, the truth, and understanding that only comes from above to defeat such enemies. They are sold out to Satan. Their chants are not mere pointless words. They worship whom they serve.

  • JMcCarthy

    We are in the same place today in America that Germany was in the 1930’s when the Nazis took power except today the Nazis wear the face of the GLOBAL Progressives which is just another name for Marxist, Communist AND Muslims.  Calling for the Rape of pro-life legislator’s daughters is something the Nazis would have done and PROBABLY did.  Public humiliation of the Tea Party i.e. “tea baggers”, for those who don’t know, is a derogatory homosexual sex act and is commonly used by the Mass Media when referring to the Tea Party and the specific targeting by obamas I.R.S.!   This Vile Hatred by the left is also directed at ALL who oppose them.  It isn’t “hatred” to oppose them, it is Self Defense and “love” has nothing to do with it unless it is Love of Freedom!!

  • steve holmes

    Insanity!

  • 2WarAbnVet

    If they were not evil they could not be accepted as good leftist/statists.

  • Always a Marine

    This is the reality of liberalism.  There is nothing to base that they won’t do to protect their ego.  They believe in the lie and they have a bankrupt ideology.  Their ego won’t allow them to face the truth.  They must maintain their status as the elite (at least as they see it).

  • fatman45

    “We have to be better.”
    That’s a noble sentiment, but it is costing us big time. The left pulls out all the stops in a campaign (political, culture war, etc.), and when conservatives takes the high road, they almost invariably lose. I “hate” to say it, but it is the truth! We’ve got to start hitting them as hard as they hit us.

    • JimDKeever

      fatman45 Hate them back? then our minds get caught up, just like a snowball going downhill.  Using their tactics cannot possibly accomplish anything but armed confrontation and more death.  Satan wins.  We have to keep the moral high ground, and wait for God to act “in HIS Time”  Stay connected, and do not give in to the hatred.  Hate the sin, not the sinner.

      • hadenoughtofOreo

        JimDKeever fatman45 I am sorry to have to disagree with you my Brother. Our GOD gave each one of us a brain and a will to do right or an understand of right and wrong. He being our God also has said that He helps those who help them selves. My disagreement is this: I do not think Our God wants us HIS children to set back on our hands and not defend what He has graced us with. If we as Gods Children are not willing to fight for our rights as He has given to us that why would we think that He will intervene or just say: Well the time has come that I must COME and destroy what I had created for my Children for they are unable or lack courage to defend I THEIR FATHER.
        I am willing to stand and fight for my Family, Brothers and Sisters and OUR GOD THE FATHER. If these action are wrong than I will stand before MY FATHER and except the responsibility for my actions. We as GODS CHILDREN are all WARRIOR’S AT HEART.

  • cajunliberty7

    Where is the most dangerous place a child can be today?  Some would say Haiti, or Bangladesh, or some war torn or disease ravaged area.  None of those locations would be accurate?  The most dangerous place in the world for a child to be is in her/his own mother’s womb.  Mothers in the war torn countries of the world protect their babies born or unborn.  Mothers in the disease ravaged countries of the world protect their babies, born or unborn.  Many mothers in this country do not, as in many western countries and China.  Women’ libbers ought to know since they obtained abortion for China, that it has resulted in overwhelmingly female babies to be murdered to such an extent that in many areas of China today have 100 men per woman.
    In the U.S. most abortion mills are located in or near traditional African-American neighborhoods to carry out the vision of the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, to kill especially minority babies.  Now more than 30 percent of all abortions are to kill African-American babies.  Sanger, the white racist, would be proud.
    The paid workers of satan, protesting the protection of the unborn babies in legislation in Texas are showing their true nature and character.

    • lucitee4

      cajunliberty7 It is called the “Survival of the Fittest” and  “Social Selection”!  It is espoused by evolution, non-believers, agnostics, atheists, communists, Marxists, and those who refuse to believe in Creation by “Divine Design”!

  • LindaWeaver

    First off Liberals are God haters so this is all in line with their attitudes. The unholy bunch is going nuts because they want to ban abortions after 20 weeks. No concern at all for the babies that will be ripped apart to get them out of the womb, no concern at all for the pain they go through, Nope, it is all about their convenience .
    These same lowlifes would go nuts if you did the same thing to an animal but human life means nothing to them.
    And do not kid yourself, when they chant hail satan, they mean it with all their heart and soul.

    • DouglasMRoy

      LindaWeaver Like it or not, these people currently control this nation and laugh at you and me. They’ve been laughing a long time. We’ve been funding their abortions since 1970 via Planned Parenthood and other murderers with our tax money to the tune of multiple billions. We are their slaves, their enablers and will have to give account for what we have not done to stop this. WE ARE NOT GUILTLESS IN THIS MATTER. Blood is on the hands of every American taxpayer. Judgment is coming.

  • StacyCommiekiller

    it is SO past time for the cleansing of America…REVOLUTION!

    • Always a Marine

      StacyCommiekiller 
      Serious question – what other option is there?
      Many say that we need to trust our Constitution.  As I see it, our Constitution has been put on a shelf in the National Library and serves only as a piece of memorability.  The legislative branch of our gov’t doesn’t even consider it in crafting it’s laws, e.g. CommieCare.  Same piece of legislation shows us that the Executive branch is willing to exercise tyranny in shoving it down America’s throat by legislative trickery, bribes and corruption.  Then too, the Judiciary is just as bad – the chief justice (no less) of SCOTUS rewrites the law and illegally transforms it into a tax.
      Elections aren’t trustworthy, laws are made to dominate the citizens, it’s tyranny.
      Our representatives don’t respond to the will of the people or the Constitution. 
      We no longer have a voice in gov’t.  It is no longer gov’t of the people, by the people and for the people.

      • hankster6

        Always a Marine StacyCommiekiller There are two ways, that I know of, to rid ourselves of the evil that lives in OUR white house. One is for believers to pray for God to deliver us from that evil. The only other way is for Americans to fax or call their reps in DC and demand that they take action to rid us of that evil. I believe that all it would take is for one rep, with some GUTs to take all the appropriate charges for impeachment to a non liberal judge, if they can find one! Taking the charges to Holder would be useless. He is just as corrupt, plus, he will protect that evil, no matter what. If there is another way, I don’t know what it is, but there may be. God answers prays when they are within His will or when He wants things to go the same way that you want them. Also, when many people pray for the same thing, there is a better chance. There is a scripture that says, “where two or more believers are gathered in Christ name, He will answer. Whatsoever they bind on earth will be bound in heaven. That seems to imply that when there are many people  praying for the same thing…. He will answer their prays. We must try! Meanwhile, we can fax and call and many times as possible. If someone else has an idea, we are all ears.

        • Always a Marine

          hankster6 Always a Marine StacyCommiekiller 
          I’ll agree with you Hankster on the effectiveness of prayer.  And I believe that we need to engage in that.
          However, I don’t believe petitioning our leaders will do anything at this point.  They have proved themselves to be deaf to the wishes of their constituents.  Now, if we have to pressure them into defending the Constitution and our rights, I think it shows us that they don’t really value our foundation or have internalized those principles.
          I’ll add another way that comes from an old saying:  “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.”

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine hankster6 StacyCommiekiller Always a Marine: I suspect that is why Obama is having all ammo bought up that his cronies can find. If he was going to run, again, he intended to declare marital law if needed and when the troops came in, he wanted only his army to be armed. I have read that he has a secret army, but I don’t have any proof. Knowing the way he works, in secret, I wouldn’t put anything past him. You are right though, it might come to an armed revolution. I don’t know if our military would take him out, but they could do the same as what happened in Egypt! I am hoping that so many believers will pray that God will handle things His way. We just don’t know. There is also, in the news, that B. Clinton has talked Obama into endorsing H. Clinton.

        • Always a Marine

          hankster6 Always a Marine StacyCommiekiller 
          I suspect the same about The Tyrant.  I look at it this way – he wouldn’t be buying it unless he had a purpose.  I don’t know what purpose DHS would have for hollow points – and sufficient quantities for a small war.
          With the Tyrant and the subversive dems – Never, ever trust their words.  Watch their actions.  Buying up ammo speaks loud and clear.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine hankster6 StacyCommiekiller Alway a Marine: You are right on point. The DHS is using all sorts of lame excuses because they know better than to tell the truth about what all the ammo is for.

  • The_Hammer

    I would much rather see them rape the legisTRAITORS..ALL OF THEM FROM THE TOP DOWN….They have been rapeing the American public for years….Turn about is fair play…

  • http://091940 valea heyl

    NOW, we are not dealing with other human beings, we are dealing with deranged “Monsters”. All this is just what OBAMA’s Regime, his SS SQUAD, ( HIRED THUGS) ! Wanted…. Get your guns, guard your girls THIS IS A DIRECT THREAT, and don’t call 9-11.!!!

    • The_Hammer

      valea heyl I only call 911 for body bags…

  • SpenceDowns

    Sounds about right!  These people are basically terrorists.  They have no compunction about killing babies, why should they have moral feelings against rape!  This has become a very sick nation and we are witnessing the death throes of a once great society! It will only get worse!  Wake up, America!

    • lavender lady

      SpenceDowns I agree with you.What has become of this great nation.

      • SpenceDowns

        lavender lady SpenceDowns  It is so difficult to believe that American citizens are so dumbed down that they have no concept of what is really happening!  But, then, we don’t hear anything from our Congressional representatives and Senators either.  It’s like we live in two different universes.  The ACLU does its thing and there is only silence from Congress. The SCOTUS is also apparently becoming more and more anti-Constitution and anti-Christian.  Many of us sincerely feel that America is going down!  Every great empire has done so from within.  We are no exception!

    • http://ni.ck11.tripod.com/ ceknight

      SpenceDowns Good words Spence.  I tried to like your comment, looks like it got recorded as an unlike, but I do like what you said, it is sooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

  • SilasDoGood

    Touch my daughter, take a round in the forehead……. 

    I am a proud God-fearing, gun packin, marriage-supporting,
    Conservative Republican that recognizes the Constitution of the United States
    of America, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.I see all laws contrary to the above items
    as illegal.I support the military men
    and women of the United States that have fought and died for the freedoms we
    enjoy.I support LEGAL immigration and
    believe that all ILLEGALS in America are enemy combatants and should be treated
    as such and deported.I believe that our
    borders should be secured and no monetary aid provided to any Country that does
    not support the REPUBLIC of the United States of America.I believe that our government works FOR THE
    PEOPLE, is empowered BY THE PEOPLE and needs to be taught the same.I will meet lethal force with lethal force
    and believe that every American has the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to life, liberty and
    the pursuit of happiness.I will
    defend my family to the death and will protect that which is mine against
    anyone that would be stupid enough to try and take it.I am a PATRIOT!!
    Patriots, be armed, be prepared.

    • hadenoughtofOreo

      SilasDoGood I am with you 100%. Make your list and check it twice as to has been naughty or nice.
      When the Revolt starts there will be millions of Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/Communist dead on the ground as well as thous of us who are willing to give all to defend and to protect our families and to restore America to the GREATNESS SHE ONCE WAS. I can not think of wanting to live in a state of unlawful corruption and with people who are willing to KILL BABIES IN THE MOTHERS WHOM. They can not be considered as human and should be removed from our God Fearing Society and the FACE OF THE EARTH. HAVE NO MERCY ON ANYONE OF THEM.

      • steve holmes

        hadenoughtofOreo SilasDoGood Good in theory but the military is what would have to be dealt with. If they can be reminded that they made an oath to the constitution, they might go against orders from o’bama. That’s the big “IF”.
        If they violate their oath then the country will be gone. They have more guns and bigger guns (though using the old sniper/Indian tactics could do a pretty good job)

        • hankster6

          steve holmes hadenoughtofOreo SilasDoGood Steve holmes: Obama, also took an oath to uphold and abide by OUR constitution. He should be impeached for ignoring it, not to mention ignoring federal laws, aiding the enemy and so forth. Military members get in trouble by simply not obey orders, much less disobeying Obama. The is a LT still in jail for not doing what Obama said. His reasoning was solid. Obama is a fraud and he knows that and he did not want to obey a fraud. The judge refused to open Obama’s files because she didn’t want to “embarrass the president”. What kind of a reason is that for NOT doing her job?? The fraud needed to be embarrassed and the LT would not be in jail!

      • DouglasMRoy

        hadenoughtofOreo SilasDoGood Recognize that we are not in control of what will happen. We are slated for judgment as a nation and it has begun. You and I have funded millions of these abortions with our tax money. How can we think we are guiltless in this matter? What if God sends war to America on our turf and He is out to destroy all who reject Him including pro-lifers who secretly worship other gods like money and pleasure? Will anyone or any family be untouched? I think not.

  • http://ni.ck11.tripod.com/ ceknight

    I am not certain about it being a neurological block, but I do know that some of the people I have counted as “friends” in certain fights to provide a better life for all, seem to glaze over when a politically correct thing presents itself and they become like automated robots and start to praise the thing and condemn anyone against it.  It is as if their brains had been taken over by some other control. Very Orwellian.
    I feel so sorry for them.  They can go from loving caring people trying to help everyone to the most hate filled people that ever breathed on this planet, and all because someone opposes one of their pet things.  And the person might not oppose the action, just the way they want to do it at this moment.  It is my way or no way.   I think they are worse than the worst anti-union company owners in times past.  I am not against people banding together to form a union for better treatment and that their position is heard.  Maybe we should have conservative or Constitutional Unions in each city and town. And lawyers to do law suites and such so that when a particular city or block’s CU speaks the liberals shudder in fear because they will know they have been “outed” as the liars that they are.

    had to many dealing with mindless “liberals” that are most often “dmmycrats” and although there are way to many idiots in the Republican party as well, they still seem to be able to converse with one rationally and explore various options in looking at a problem, and not just tout the “party line”.
    The more I have read about Nazi Germany I fear the worst of it is happening here and we are ignoring and not wanting to adopt the best of it.   

    So sad that all they know of is hate, while they publicly preach love and compassion and all they know of is winning fights and getting control at any cost, while publicly they talk about a democratic society, wanting things to be transparent, and equality for all. The problems I have had with most that call themselves “Democrats” is that they seem to have a public and a private persona, and often the two are a different as night and day.  Most of the people I have met that call themselves Republicans are so because they think the good of the Republic should come before a person or areas private good.  And hence they seem to have the same moral guiding force both in private and in public.  So I trust them a bit more.  I think we need to rethink parties and sables in this country.  Maybe instead of calling them liberals we ought to call them haters, it would be a more accurate label.

  • RichardELauer

    Did you know that in 1934, Hitler was Time Magazines “Man of the year”. We’re in the same position now, with Obama.

    • http://ni.ck11.tripod.com/ ceknight

      RichardELauer And I pray for God’s help like never before.
      However, Hitler did do an economic “miracle” and that might of been about that time.
      All I know is that this country seems to like to follow the “snake-oil salesman” who is fooling the most people.
      We need to be always watching and be vigilant, this whole think can turn deadly for honest people within a few hours or days.

      • PinkOnion

        Hitler did do an economic miracle. Problem is what he did after that. The most evil of all men. Those that followed his command is as evil as he is.

        • RichardELauer

          PinkOnion I agree. And what is O basing his “victories” on? The Dow is going up and more are reported working. His press is reporting that things are great! Just like Hitler’s did in ’34

        • PinkOnion

          Some things may have improved but I do not think he has anything to do with that. More jobs were reported to have been created but the unemployment percentage remains the same. What he does should define him. Like excessive borrowing and spending especially on his luxurious travels with his wife, children, relatives and friends. He is more of a liability than an asset. Especially his pandering to the illegals. He is not for our country and us people. He is only for himself.

    • Greg Miller

      RichardELauer Hitler moved forcefully and decisively to liberate Germany from economic servitude and moral subversion.  Would to God that White Christian America circa 2013 had such an advocate.

  • BobbyHutson

    Thats why i call them the borg collective…they have one mind and one thought…to conqure and destroy.

  • hankster6

    The activists that would even suggest such a thing have to be pure evil. No rational person would even think in such terms. Evil people have no conscience, so whatever they want to do is right, in their minds.

  • 317david

    These things will happen as long as we have a  Muslim “president” in office, yes he is another baby killer and much much more!!!!!!!

    • hankster6

      317david I don’t know what “these things” are, so you will have to help me a little. Otherwise, I agree with you. Evil has no conscience, so whatever an evil person wants to do, in their mind, it is right. I believe the current resident of OUR white house is evil, as well as being a Muslim and a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood, until there is some evidence that he is not.

  • Almagor

    Why is it surprising that those same people who promote and want it lawful for innocent babies to be murdered while still in their Mother’s wombs are calling for those against this policy to have their daughter’s raped? Those people are so vile that it is beyond belief; yet it is true!

  • DonChadwick

    People who are ok with murdering innocent children will say and do anything  to get their way……

  • We the People 101

    watch this…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ-N-e7eWWI&feature=youtu.be
    then remember me for President…
    Russell A. Moore Sr.USArmy

  • PinkOnion

    Pro-abortionists should have been aborted. We all start the same way. From conception to fetus to babies. Life begins at conception. Termination of pregnancy is murder. The right of women? What about the right of babies to life? Responsible sex, not murder.

    • Evermyrtle

      PinkOnion I’ve been saying this for along time!!

      • PinkOnion

        And I am of the same mind. God bless you.

    • DRLJR

      PinkOnion People need to remember that the word “fetus” simply means “baby”.  Latin is used to describe stages of a pregnancy and some scientist decided to use the Latin word for baby to describe a particular portion of the development of the child in the womb.  It is important for people to remember that the “Left” uses words to deceive people.  They will take a word that has a commonly understood dictionary definition and then distort the meaning in order to deceive people.

      • PinkOnion

        Yes, fetus is a developing baby. Not completely formed but in the process.  That’s the way life begins. And the way we all began. So whenever the process is interrupted (abortion)  in any stage, it is MURDER.  How can these women and their supporters sleep at night? They are animals, not humans.

        • DRLJR

          PinkOnion This is why pro-abortionist don’t like ultrasound and other medical devices that show what the child actually looks like.  This is why they pretend the unborn child is just a “mass of cells”. 
           It is important to understand where the mind set of the abortionist and “Left” comes from.  They believe in the idea that people can be improved and thus you get rid of the undesirables.  Think of Hitler and his death camps and you will be able to see the mind set.  Hitler was not the first.  Take the time to look at the Progressive movement and such people as Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger and the eugenics movement of the early 1900s.  Then you will begin to understand their depravity somewhat.

        • DMJ

          PinkOnion  it’s also why they don’t want to go to webpages that show the development of the unborn child.  Pretty early on, the baby looks like a … baby, not a bunch of cells or a shrimp.

        • PinkOnion

          Denial for their own convenience. Abortion is only a convenience for the woman who wants sex but not the result/product of sex. In any shape or form, it is murder. Whether they recognize that or not or whether they acknowledge it or not. MURDERERS.

        • PinkOnion

          We are all a mass of cells, formed into a human. These people just want to dismiss their evil deeds with words. In this instance a lot of hot air from the bowels of the devil. Getting rid of the undesirables is murder. And what is the “improved race?” Hitler did not even resemble his idea of the blond, blue eyed Aryan race. He should have been the first to be exterminated. DRLJR, understanding their depravity does not make the deed any better. Murder is murder any way you look at it.

  • MartiSettle

    These people should be arrested for making terroristic threats. It IS against the law to make such threats and, further, to incite riots and criminal acts of other Americans.  Free Speech only goes so far and these people went over the line.  For my money, I say let them abort their spawn.  It they have babies and their offspring were allowed to grow up to be social monsters like these liberals, America is better off without them.  I think we should sterilize all of the loud mouth brats and prevent any more evil from being bred into our society.

  • Ranchman

    It’s examples like these which prove, to me anyway, that the differences between us can never be reconciled peacefully. Their will be only one way, in the end, to settle these differences, and that is by force. It’s been foretold for so long that we should all know this to be true. The enemies of God will never go quietly into the night, we will have to shove them into it.

    • mopenshaw

      Ranchman , if it ever DOES come down to force, the side who are believers in- and practitioners of- the Second Amendment will make short work of it.  I personally know the bill’s authors down here.  The are ALL crack shots, and most have- and utilize- their Concealed Handgun licenses. As do their families.  A CHL-friendly Capitol and strong castle laws; I say, good luck to those who even THINK about misbehaving that way down here.

    • Always a Marine

      Ranchman 
      I think you’re right.  With the coming of Dear Leader and the rise to power of the subversive democrat progressives who are destroying our liberty, the rule of law, and the foundations of our society, the pressure is rapidly increasing.  Something has to give. 
      Problem is, there is no branch of gov’t, or political party standing for the Constitution and our rights.  It will be up to “we the people.”

  • mopenshaw

    Here is our running report on all this going on down here.  An amazing attempt to use mob rule to stop what actually is a VERY REASONABLE bill.  I’ve never been involved in the Pro-life movement, but I’m supporting them on this because of the reasonableness IAnd there is NO WAY I’ll stand by for mob rule.  The ACTUAL BILL is here. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/832/billtext/html/HB00002I.htm

    • cajunliberty7

      mopenshaw 
      Thank you for posting the entire bill.  I had read excerpts but this is the entire bill.  Of course, written as all legislative bills are with as much legalease as lawyers can do and still be a public bill, you are quite correct in your judgment of the bill as VERY REASONABLE, even surprisingly so.
      Having held severed and bloody tiny baby body parts in my hands in the mid-1970s, after violently retching stomach lining and wiping my hands all over my clothes and missing my morning classes at LSU, my life has been motivated by that experience resulting in helping to build crisis pregnancy centers, working closely with adoption attorneys and pro-life groups.
      This bill is a reasonable as a bill can be restricting abortion at 20 weeks or later.  It was crafted by men and women in Texas who thought it out and were careful.  I think this bill will become a template for legislators in other states.  I have forwarded the bill to our state rep, recommending that we have a simlar bill passed.  We will do what we can to prevent paid shills and nut cases from invading our Capitol house in Baton Rouge, the way they have in Austin.

      • popham

        Abortion at one week or twenty weeks has been,  is  and always will be….. murder.

        • DMJ

          popham I agree.  Unfortunately, it took about 20 years to get from Roe v. Wade, which allowed only first trimester abortions except in extreme situations, to allowing 3rd trimester abortions.
          It’s going to take some time to scale it back, so we start with not allowing late term abortions.  
          As we get more and more technological advances (especially with birth control methods), the less and less even most pro-abortion advocates will have an excuse for abortion.  Then, only the most rabid abortion proponent will be for abortion, and they will be in the minority.

  • http://www.InformingChristians.com/ InformingChristians

    As if fighting to kill the unborn is not bad enough!

  • thismustend

    The worst part is that these low information, MENTALLY ILL sociopaths have CONTROL of our federal government, media, Hollywood, public schools, judiciary & law enforcement agencies. WHY, because RATIONAL, NORMAL people are not psychopathic control freaks.
    Most rational people do not live to CONTROL everything & everyone in their paths. As these psychopathic leftists rant & rave that no Christian/Republican/conservative has a right to tell THEM what to do, they are using PROPAGANDA, INTIMIDATION & VIOLENCE to FORCE everyone to believe what THEY believe & to do what THEY want them to do.

    • hankster6

      thismustend Wow! You use different words, but you have the same thoughts that I do. I have said the same thing using different words.In other words, you are right. Well said!

    • Lady Liberty

      thismustend So let’s find the sources of their ‘BLOOD MONEY’ and publish the names over and over! Use the technology which is available to get their names out of the shadows….. no matter WHO they are! Also, the media should publish the names of those who issue such terrible threats! They use anonymity to hide themselves…if they were REAL, they should say who they are and WHY they believe as they say!!!

      • DouglasMRoy

        Lady Liberty thismustend Let’s keep in mind that all pro-life Americans who pay taxes have supported abortion by funding Planned Parenthood since 1970 to the tune of multiple billions of dollars. Six to ten million of the 58 million abortions have been committed using our tax money. I did not realize this til this last year, because our lying presidents (and I mean all of them) told us our money was not being spent for abortions. In actuality, billions have been and continue to be given to PP to help fund their operations. We are the source of ‘BLOOD MONEY’ and actual blood is on our hands. We must stop this wicked flow of money from Congress to PP! So let us not be proud or self-righteous in this matter wherein we are also guilty, but humbly seek for God’s mercy and the way to stop this.

      • DRLJR

        Lady Liberty thismustend And report them to the IRS for not reporting and paying the taxes on the income.

  • thismustend

    Another thing I just love about leftist women in particular is how butchering a child that absolutely CAN feel pain doesn’t bother them a bit but if someone kills a dog, coyote or wolf that has been eating their livestock they are outraged by the horrible cruelty.

    • hankster6

      thismustend Did I mention that irrational thinking is part of being evil?

    • Always a Marine

      thismustend 
      Rationality has never been the hallmark of the left.  It’s all about ego, and protecting that ego, and they’ll kill to do it.

    • DRLJR

      thismustend A person must understand the Left believes in the idea of eliminating undesirables.  That is why Margaret Sanger and her creations were praised by Adolf Hitler.  The Left views Blacks and other minorities are sub-human and believe they should be eliminated.  From things I have read the Progressives (i.e. Leftist) during Woodrow Wilson’s occupation of the White House wanted to eliminated every Black-American in the country.  They realized the American people would not support or allow it.  Black-Americans have lost every time they side with the Progressives.  It was Woodrow Wilson that set Black-American (Negro-American) equality back 50 years when he segregated the US military.  One just has to look at the education and economic condition of Black-American communities  to what the Progressives (i.e. Left) has done to them.
      And people should also remember that the word “Negro” is the Portuguese word for “Black”.  When the Portuguese were sold the first African slaves by the African they simply use the word “Black” in their language to describe these people.  People need to go back and learn the real history.  For instance the first Africans to be “sold” in the British Colonies were treated as indentured servants just the Europeans who “sold” themselves or were sold due to debt.

      • steve holmes

        DRLJR thismustend It being that blacks are not wanted, o’bama needs to worry that he’ll be “thrown under the bus” when he’s outgrown his usefulness as a PUPPET!

  • jany38

    Maybe a pro-abortionist can give me a ligitimate reason why a woman would wait 20 weeks before she decides to have an abortion.  Usually you know in about 4-6 weeks that you are pregnant.  Seems to me if you don’t want a child, you have an obligation to prevent a pregnancy, and if you do accidently get pregnant and don’t want it, an abortion would be done immediately, not at 20 weeks. 
    If those women in Texas are mad about abortion laws, wait until Sharia Law arrives and they are treated like muslim women who don’t get as much respect as the family dog. That’s Obamas REAL war on women – coming soon to a city near you.

    • olcsharronw

      jany38 Most of the women of Texas do not feel abortion is the right thing to do! These evil satanist were bussed in and paid $2,000 a month plus expenses, PER: the progressive, union, acorn and obama supporters!! Dig a little deeper, ask these creeps and they will tell you who pays them! Oh yes, they got a free lunch too!

      • DRLJR

        olcsharronw jany38 I wonder if they are paying their federal and state taxes on this income?  Since they were bussed in and paid this is income.  And the expenses are taxable as well. 
         IRS please take note of who these people were and insist they pay their taxes and the appropriate penalties.  And since they are paid protesters Texas needs to get the appropriate parade permit fees from each of them as well.

      • Evermyrtle

        olcsharronw jany38 This kind of person is so filled with hate they do not leave anything alone. They never give up on anything and raise “hell” at the drop of a hat. Conservative Christians do not do that they say what they have to say in a quiet decent way that these killer do not listen to, they do not even hear us they are so loud themselves. The push, the shove, they ram their opinions on everybody possible, they even kill their babies, by the million. A woman who can kill her baby has no conscience. If you can murder your baby you can do anything, “nothing is too evil for you baby murderers .”

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle olcsharronw jany38 Evermyrtle: Well said!

    • hankster6

      jany38 Very well said!

    • Lady Liberty

      jany38 AMEN!!! These horrible creatures should read (if they CAN) the koran…and see what awaits them should Sharia law sneak into our culture!!! Since they make such ‘flukey’ demands for free condoms, we can assume they are not virgins, right?

  • PaulBrown1

    The only ones who should be raped is these pigs, I don’t normally like to wish anyone harm, but I guess even God knows its necessary sometimes though.

    • DMJ

      PaulBrown1 Even though they would deserve it, I don’t wish for these people to be raped. It might result in another abortion, another innocent paying the price for someone else’s bad behavior.

  • Hillbilly50

    …both liberals and progressives are genetic misfires.

  • Hillbilly50

    …liberals and progressives are a blood thirsty bunch calling for the death of the unborn….
    Isaiah 59: 7 Their
    feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their
    thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their
    paths….
     I believe this Bible verse describes pro abortionists to a T!!!

  • DMJ

    Wow, those protesters really care about women, don’t they?  They sure are showing their stripes, and those stripes don’t seem very women-friendly.

    • DouglasMRoy

      DMJ  I think this is the truth about how all on the left really think. They do not care for the souls or bodies of the women. They simply want the “right” to kill the babies within to continue, whether in sacrifice to their god (satan) or their selfish natures. If it were to stop and abortion on demand stopped, their conscience might awaken from its dead state as more and more Americans see it for what it is: the willful murder of an innocent child.

  • WhatsItMatter

    How much of this is Lip’erals and how much is paid intervention is anyone’s guess. I know an ad was run for paid protestors, what they were told to do, who knows? I can imagine it would include driving a stake between the groups, causing as large of a division as possible.  Isn’t that what it is all about these days, divide and conquer? Everything they can do to put people in this country at war with each other is being done, from the 2nd amendment to abortion to religion to race. You name it and someone’s going as far one way  or the other to start a fight based on emotional values, dividing the people of this nation, causing us to be blind to the larger picture, we are all Americans and need to stand together if this nation is to survive. The common good must always be stronger than the personal self interest.

  • Joy J

    It is ridiculous to pay people to protest something that you hate and they are only hating because they are being paid.  Then to call for violence on young women because of the hatred is despicable.  
    Liberals inciting hatred, violence, cruelty and ill-will is unacceptable, offensive, obnoxious and disgraceful.  But they just don’t care about any of that – they only care about getting their way – like a spoiled child, a brat!!!

    • hankster6

      Joy J Well said!

    • Lady Liberty

      Joy J  You are absolutely correct, Joy J….it’s called sedition!!!!!!

    • Always a Marine

      Joy J 
      Those tactics are nothing new – @100 years ago tyrants in Europe did the same.  The left uses the same playbook.  The left of today has the ideology of the left in Russia, Germany and Italy.

    • niki069a

      Joy J Or like the man child who has the same mind set, my way or the highway. We are blessed with three more ears of his Tom Foolery. It may be shorter if we take over both house’s in 2014. OUT WITH THE RINO’s IN WITH THE CONSERVATIVES.

  • Lady Liberty

    Thanks, breed…we ALL need to express our disgust with what’s being allowed to  happen to our great country!  Let’s attack every threat with one of our own!!!! … and then follow through.  I’ve noted that when these low-lives ARE challenged, they fall apart ~ it’s because they are NOT challenged that they get away with their outrageous words! So, let’s fight back…maybe then we will see them just shrivel up and blow away!

    • hankster6

      Lady Liberty Irrational people can not think rationally. Therefore, when rational thinking comes play, they don’t know how to handle that, so they will lie, change the subject, or make up an accusation to distract what is being said. They are very good at that. Evil knows no bounds. The devil is the master of lies. They may be in a minority, but they scream the loudest hoping people will pay attention!

  • allthatgroks

    The liberals doing this are nothing but cowards, hiding behind a white hood. Just like the KKK. They think they are anonymous, but we know who they are and soon they will get theirs just like before.

    • DRLJR

      allthatgroks Remember that as vile as the original KKK were, and the current incarnation is, they were and always have been honest about their beliefs and views.  The “Left” actively deceives and lies about their agenda and goals. They wrap their agenda in nice sounding rhetoric to deceive people in order to subvert the people and get their agenda implemented.

      • BobE

        DRLJR allthatgroks The KKK is made up of conservative Christians living in the bible belt south of the Mason/Dixon line. EXACTLY like the Tea party!

        • LoriAPeterman

          BobE DRLJR allthatgroks  Than explain democrat Senator Byrd. This argument is so lame as to be stupid.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE DRLJR allthatgroks 
          Does this stuff come to your mind when you eat spicy food or what? 
          Just make stuff up as you go along.  Take an antacid.

        • DRLJR

          BobE DRLJR allthatgroks BobE, You really are blind to reality and facts.  And you seem to have a reading comprehension problem as well. All I did was point out that the unlike most racist (the Left is inherently racist) the KKK are honest about their racism.

          The TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party is made up of people who don’t care about a person’s ethnicity.  They care about the country, the massive debt and on-going destruction of the people’s freedoms.  The key difference between “conservative Christians” and others is that they/we believe people are responsible for their own behavior.  The “Left” and people like them always want to blame others for the consequences of their actions.  You should really open your eyes to reality and take the time to actually read what is written versus what you think is written.

        • DRLJR

          LoriAPeterman BobE DRLJR allthatgroks Lori,  BobE won’t since he does not appear capable of rational thought.  The answer to your question is:
          Senator Byrd grew up and learned that racism is wrong and he changed his views.  It is the character of the person and their behavior that is important not the perceived color of their skin or their ancestry.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR BobE allthatgroks DRLJR: Well said! The problem is that some of the people that you are talking to are irrational and can not think rationally, but you did make good points. Irrational thinking keeps this forum amusing with the rational people trying to get into an irrational mind. Of course, the vast majority are rational and just discussing various issues. I think we all learn something every day. I know a little about a lot, but I can always learn more and I do!

  • blessedbyhim

    Gee, why am I not surprised?! Show me your friend and I will tell you WHO you are. I feel very sorry for these blinded, lost souls. They are RUNNING to hell and dont realize it. Lt us pray for God to soften their hearts and be able to see truth.

    • DouglasMRoy

      blessedbyhim It is foolish to consider these evil people and worry about their spiritual state (Jesus rebuked them, exposed them, and left them alone). They have chosen to live wicked and evil lives. Meanwhile, they cause millions to stumble into more and more sin and force their evil upon all of society. We’d best treat them as enemies as much as al qaeda and stop feeling foolish compassion toward those who are trying to destroy this nation. They are traitors. Would you love your enemies more than those deceived by them?

      • Evermyrtle

        DouglasMRoy blessedbyhim He does say we are supposed to tell them and after we tell the we are free to go our way and will not be held responsible for them. No use to worry about something that we can do nothing about!!

  • niki069a

    Liberal and Hate are synonymous, yet they pretend to be the party of love and compassion…In their dreams! If they cannot hate they cannot exist. What a shame for all that wasted energy and what do they accomplish? Nothing! except that the L.I.V. (low information voters) believe what they say. Some day the minorities will come to realize that as long they support the Democraps they will always remain illiterate slaves.

    • hankster6

      niki069a  Well said!

    • DouglasMRoy

      niki069a   “and what do they accomplish?”  Friend, in regards to our govt, they are decisively winning the battle to make this a socialist/communist state. Do not underestimate them or their tactics. They are very successful. They are not trying to win you over, but to soundly defeat you and control how this country is run and even what you are allowed to do or not do. We somehow think we are superior because of our logic or manners, but they continue to win via the courts, the Congress, and the President in most issues, along within many states, especially through the courts. Most of us are ignorant as to how far we have fallen as a nation. As I said before, they have mounted us and are busting us in the chops time and time again. They are on the offensive and we, on the defensive continually.
      In regards to eternity, they are failing big time, but so are many of us who think we are better, yet continue to live in sin, love the things of this world, its lusts and pleasures, and have such great pride as Americans. Our lives are more and more controlled by these people whom we continue to underestimate, because we do not know God or the truth, but simply have a bit higher moral standard.

      • Evermyrtle

        DouglasMRoy niki069a You say that most of us are ignorant as to how fr we have fallen as a nation. I believe we are just before learning that fact and “we ain’t gonna like it,” when we discover this fact, by then it will be too late to do anything.it comes.

      • Emslykarl

        The reason that the Left is winning , is that they truly believe the end justifies the means ; that is a vital part of their ideology . Hitler believed that in order to develop a ” master race ” , ” sacrifices” would have to be made -” sacrifice ” meaning human lives ! It was always about what he , as well as the Left today , call ” the greater good “! Political expediency is their strategy ; nothing is ” wrong ” with lying to the Country as long as their goals are achieved in the end . That’s what they are able to look into the camera and say something they know to be untrue ; what matters is advancing the cause. Everything else is totally irrelevant ! Muslims incidentally have the same world view ; everything is acceptable if it advances the cause of Islam . Conservatives recoil at the lies , because we reverence the truth . There’s the fundamental difference between Left and Right .

  • michaelzz

    A B O R T I O
    NP E R S P E C T I V E&R E C O N C I L A T I O N
    7/24/99
    The
    popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy,
    which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.
    In
    an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein,
    we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”.Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is
    the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.
    In
    the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting
    one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one
    is preventing “one-month-old babies”?If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing
    any possibility of“one-month-old
    babies”.
    The
    creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins
    with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which,
    sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”.This process may be ended, terminated,
    truncated, aborted at any point during that process.
    The
    methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of
    contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
    Each
    method prevents any possibility of“one-month-old babies”.

    • WhiteFalcon

      michaelzz In the case of the abortion, the baby already exists and is a living human with a beating heart. In the case of contraception, the baby does not exist and may or may not have been concieved at all. Abortion is murder. Contraception is the prevention of a possible conception and no one loses his/her life.

      • hankster6

        WhiteFalcon michaelzz WhiteFalcon: Well said!

      • michaelzz

        WhiteFalcon michaelzz Please re-read and be responsive to that which is written, e.g., “In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”.Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”. ”
        The article is addressing one-month old babies, only.  it is a starting point of a serious discussion, but if one can’t begin at the beginning, there can be no rational discussion.
        Thank you,
        mz

      • zenock

        WhiteFalcon michaelzz   Let’s go a step further, Contraception is a tool for mutual masturbation. Agreed it’s the lesser of two evils but it was the precursor and sin that spawned abortion on demand.

  • CyHilterman

    How far will these pro-abortionists go?  They want women raped for what reason?  There is no humane thinking in wishing as they are.  Any of you that have had someone in your life that you liked or loved become a victim of a rapist know the feeling you have.  I don’t think any victim could or would explain how they feel.  The lack of feelings or concern of a rapist could never be explained either.  All I know is I wish I was in better health so I could meet one of these useless pieces of trash that rapes women and change their life so they could never rape again.

    • DRLJR

      CyHilterman Keep in mind that in their twisted minds if a women who does not support abortion is raped and becomes pregnant she will have to go and get an abortion.  Adoption, or raising a child conceived as a result of a real rape*, is not something that exists in their world-view.  Thus by promoting rape they can “convert” the anti-abortion/pro-life person to their side.  This is how twisted their logic and thinking is.  But one has to remember that a Leftist is a child that has never grown up or learned to be an adult. They are incapable of reasoning.  
      One can see this when one compares their actions and thought patterns to actual children.  This is why it is important to properly train children on how to act and think.  It is why it is important to take to children properly about theirs and others behavior.  And why parents must always consider their own behavior since children will pick up on the inconsistencies in behavior and hypocrisy – even when they do not understand it.
      * Remember to the Left a seduction, or what they call “date rape”, is the same thing as a real rape where a women is forced against her will to engage in sexual intercourse.  And to cover this sub-issue properly would take at least 6 pages of discussion.

      • DRLJR

        CyHilterman It is why it is important to TALK to children properly about theirs and others behavior.

      • Swampfox1965

        DRLJR CyHilterman Don’t forget, CH, that liberalism is a mental illness, and these protestors/terrorists are proving it.

      • DMJ

        DRLJR CyHilterman And that is the reason that the Left wants to get kids away from their parents and alienate them.

  • Swampfox1965

    These pro-abortion terrorists should be prosecuted under the hate-speech laws.  Maybe even sent to Gitmo to await trial.
    Oh, wait a minute. I almost forgot. Conservatives are the only ones who can be prosecuted under those laws for speaking out against such normal behavior as abortion, homosexuality and same sex marriage.

    • hankster6

      Swampfox1965 Ever since Obama came into OUR white house, evil has been and is being rewarded. Anyone doing any activity that would, normally, be considered as good, is being punished! Obama may not be the devil, but it seems he is a twin! Anyone who kills a living baby is pure evil and anyone, who supports that activity, is also evil, in my opinion. Evil has no conscience. Whatever they want to do, including murder is OK.

      • Swampfox1965

        hankster6 Swampfox1965 Isaiah 5:20-25 is on point: “20 Woe to those who call evil good
        and good evil,
        who put darkness for light
        and light for darkness,
        who put bitter for sweet
        and sweet for bitter!
        21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
        and shrewd in their own sight!
        22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine,
        and valiant men in mixing strong drink,
        23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
        and deprive the innocent of his right!”
        They shall reap their just reward.

        • hankster6

          Swampfox1965 hankster6 Good scriptures! Well done! I will add one more point. Obama is anti Israel, no matter what he tells us. The is also scripture about anyone who turns against Israel will fail. Now I don’t know if that means attacking Israel or just being against Israel. I would have to read it again, to see what the real meaning is. Obama is the first person living in OUR white house who actions prove that he is not pro Israel. How could he be? I believe that he is a radical Muslim in his heart. That would not allow him to be pro Israel! For political purposes, he says that he is pro. Even Netanyahu knows better.

        • jojac

          Swampfox1965 
          Gen 12;3 Says God will bless whoever blesses Israel and curse whoever curses Israel.
          Ex. 23:32 says Israel is to make NO covenants with their enemy.
          Joel 3:2 says that God will take all nations down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat and judge them there, because they “scattered My people and divided My land.”   So it is obvious that when anyone tries to get Israel to give up land or to divide the Holy City to allow another group to have statehood in the land and city that God gave to Israel for an eternal possession, that person is cursing Israel, and is therefore under Gods judgment. More could be said about  this, but that is enough to show that the 0 buma is cursing Israel.  he wants Israel to return to the 1967 borders.  And to curse Israel is to curse Jesus see Mt. 25:40

        • hankster6

          Swampfox1965 hankster6 Good scriptures, all. Well done!

        • Swampfox1965

          jojac Swampfox1965 ” Gen 12;3 Says God will bless whoever blesses Israel and curse whoever curses
          Israel.”
          Not exactly, jojac. In that passage God was speaking to Abram, not Israel (or Jacob, Abram’s grandson). But I believe we can, by extension, know that God blesses directly Abram/s / Abraham’s descendants while visiting curses upon those who curse those descendants — both literal and spiritual..

        • Swampfox1965

          jojac Swampfox1965 “Gen 12;3 Says God will bless whoever blesses Israel and curse whoever curses
          Israel.”
          Not exactly, jojac. In that passage God was talking to Abram, not Jacob / Israel. But I think we can, by extension, know that God blesses Abram’s / Abraham’s spiritual descendants, if not all his blood descendants.
          Your references are spot on re: what Obama is doing, or attempting to do, to Israel today. He’ll surely pay the price.

      • Evermyrtle

        hankster6 Swampfox1965 The WORD OF GOD warned that these days were coming.
        Luke 17:1-3
        1. Then said HE unto the disciples, “It cannot be avoided but that offenses will come, but woe be to him by whom they come. .
        2. It is better for him that a great millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were cast into the sea then that he should offend one of these little ones, ( a new Christian)?
        3. Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother trespass against thee, reguke him, and if he repent., forgive him.
        Luke 21: 7-
        7.  Then they asked HIM, saying, “Master, but when shall these thing be! and what sign shall there be when these things shall come to pass?.”
        8. And HE said,”Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many will come in my Name, saying I am CHRIST, and the time draweth near: follow ye not therefore.
        9. And when ye year of wars and seditions, be not afraid: for these things must first come, but the end followeth not by and by.”
        10.  He said  unto them,” Nation shall rise against nation , and kingdom against kingdom,
        11. And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and hunger, and pestilence, and fearful things, and great signs shall there be from heaven
        12. But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you delivering  up to the assembles and into prisons, and bring you before Kings and rulers for my Name sake..
        13. And this shall turn to you, for a testimonial,
        14. Lay it up therefore in your hearts, that yo cast not beforehand what ye shall answer

        15. For I will give you a mouth, and wisdom where against all your adversaries shall not be able to speak nor resist.
        16. Yea, ye shall be betrayed also of our parents and of your brethren, and kinsman and friends, and some of you shall they put to death,
        17. Ane ye shall be hatedof all men for my Name’s ske
        Scriptures from teh geneva Bible

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle hankster6 Swampfox1965 Evermyrtle: Good scriptures! Well done!

    • cajunliberty7

      Swampfox1965 
      Ha.  Sad…but true.

  • Evermyrtle

    A MOTHER’S LOVE, LIKE MY MOTHER
    Proverbs 31 28-30
    28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
    29. Many daughters have done virtuously, bu thou excellest them all.
    30. Favor is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
    A thought just came to me: GOD did not choose a baby killer to give birthof HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST. How wonderful is our FATHER and GOD.

    • Swampfox1965

      Evermyrtle See also Isaiah 5:20-23.

  • DarkOgham

    Let the Left harden the hearts of Americans. We have them vastly outgunned and could easily be permanently rid of them. The only thing that stops us is that our hearts aren’t yet hardened to that existential necessity.

    • BobE

      You idiots cannot be itching to get bitch slapped again. Can you?

      • Always a Marine

        BobE 
        Another funny Bob. 
        You’re like Justin Beiber hiding behind his bodyguard jumping up and down saying “let me at him, let me at him.”  When the bodyguard moves to the left, Beiber moves to the left to stay behind his shield, still hopping around issuing threats. 
        Everyone knows Justin doesn’t have any game, but he sees himself as a man (in his eyes only – everyone else knows he wears lace on his panties and sits down to pee).
        Start your hopping Bob.

        • Freedom_road

          One day and sooner than he thinks, he will be thrust in front of the judgement seat begging for mercy and there will be none because he has turned away from the one given the right to judge all. Bobe won’t understand my comments!

        • BobE

          It’s amusing to me to listen to a closet homosexual fantasize about what kind of panties or how Justin beiber pisses.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE 
          No fantasizing Bob – I’ve known people like you all my life.  You were the one who was going to give us a bitch slap. 
          You got one instead.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE Go back to dreaming about Justin Beiber pissing all over you & what kind of underwear he has on

      • bobseeks

        BobE Perverts have proven that a small group of people can change a culture. Just imagine what we can do if we get tired enough of you scum and decide to change it back to where it should be. Maybe next time we will be sure to finish the job.

      • glorimom

        BobE You are the epitome of this article. Thanks for the validation of the evil from
        the liberals like you. Good Job!

      • SilasDoGood

        BobE  BoobE, please go away.  I know you can relate to this due to the azz raping you get on a regular basis, but this topic is not about you.

      • 56Survivor

        BobE Why all the hate Bob?  It only eats at you, you do know that, right?

      • mopenshaw

        BobE for all the HORRIFIC press your side got from this stuff- to the point your leftist news sites like Texas Trib went DARK on any discussion of it? Are you unaware of what a media beating your side suffered with this thing, making your side look absolutely nuts and the Pro-life side look like absolute class?  When actual SATAN WORSHIPERS have to disavow the effort??
        Wow, stay like that, Guy, and come back.  I’d almost PAY your side to hand over another victory like the last one!

      • Emslykarl

        Enjoy your corny jokes now , BobE , there is a day of reckoning that awaits every man/woman ; whether you will be laughing or crying at that event is still an open question ! ” I will not be mocked ” – those are the words spoken by the God you are having so much fun mocking at the moment ; the very same One who will preside at your trial ! I’d give some serious thought to that fact ! He died for you too , believe it or not ; that’s why it’s called amazing grace ! That’s truly amazing !

        • BobE

          Emslykarl  If you’re correct I would tell him to beg me to forgive him for ALL his crimes against humanity

  • RichardELauer

    If someone will tell me how to do that—I’ll do the work.

  • RichardELauer

    Me too!—Semper Fi Marine!!

  • Always a Marine

    There’s a video report from Kokomo, Ind. that shows participants in a gay pride event attacking two preachers.
    This makes for example what? 8,666 that reveals what the left and the gay community really are.
    Dear Leader tells us that liberalism and the LBGT people are all about tolerance and peace.
    Keep in mind, Dear Leader constantly pushes the idea that Islam is all about tolerance and peace.

    • Barnlady

      Always a Marine “Dear Leader”, oh my gosh I love it… It is sooo his opinion of himself.. Great!!

    • jimhunt

      Always a Marine ,liberals are captive to there ideology,the bible refers to it as a stronghold,an undisciplined mind set,they cannot rise above it.the author of it is demonic,it is recognized by its hatred for others,its actions toward life,liberty,its character is reflected in its lac of self disciplined in almost every thing it does,no love or natural affection,they lie, manipulate,attempt to intimidate,and control everything they touch, they are driven people,driven by the demons in them.—jim hunt

      • Always a Marine

        jimhunt Always a Marine 
        I agree Jim.  An added thought about that “hatred.”  At it’s bottom I think it is all motivated by hatred of God and his laws, values, etc.
        At the heart of progressivism is a false belief in the nature of man.  For them, they believe man can be perfected (matured), and it just so happens, they’re the elites who are the ones to do it.  In other words, they believe the lie (same one from the Garden).

  • ErikOsbun

    Round up and JAIL these threatening pro-abortionists!

  • 56Survivor

    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 6:12

    • Emslykarl

      ” greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world ” ; there’s is a no-win fight ! I would not want to be in their shoes when He asks them to explain why they thought it ok to kill the unborn by the millions , and counting !

  • Emslykarl

    Thanks . I agree . Been studying both since I was 17 ; now 82 today ! I think the Parousia is on the horizon . Things are going to start unfolding very quickly very soon ! I’m a serious student of apocalyptic prophecy , and I recognize the signscll around me .

    • hankster6

      Emslykarl  HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

      • Emslykarl

        Thanks . Great to be on the green side of the grass for sure .

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl That is the first time I have heard that one. I have heard all sorts, but that one is new, to me. Again, congrats!

    • 56Survivor

      Emslykarl  Happy 82nd Birthday!  Every day is a Blessing and a gift, that’s for sure.

  • Emslykarl

    Satan has free room and board waiting for them , but it’s only temporary . Also there’s no air conditioning !

  • sophializ

    Abortion is wrong and yes it is killing and with that said now if the mother was in jeopardy and she is allow to have medical attention at the hospital from that point is it abortion?  There is a difference between the hospital and abortion clinics.   Anywhere, abortion should not be allow to go over twenty weeks.  It was up to me and the sooner the better with that said.   I feel every case is individual and are people using this for birth control and that is a sin and very uneducated person would only do that or someone who does not know and was not taught.  We are entitled to make mistakes and nobody should be judging anyone.  With all the Birth Control out on the market and also why abortion and people should plan before having sex of any kind.  This is where the responsible for people come in.  If there were less abortion anywhere in the world and we all would not be going through this right now.  I feel sometimes and had issues where the exception of rape and incest but then again this is higher matter from G-D.  
    Why they were saying Hail Satan and I have no idea and trust me when you think about it and down right evil but logically speaking, is insane to even speak like that.  A few people from both side should go into a room quietly and talk and then come up with something that both parties can agree on.  Give a little take a little.  This way everyone is happy and everyone can go home.   If it was up to me I put everyone in jail and let everyone cool off for a while.     This whole thing has gone too far and in my whole life I never heard of such nonsense.  This is 21 Century and we should be having very few abortion or if any of that.  Anything after twenty weeks in my books requires a hospital and very different setting.   Remember this that baby did not ask to be conceived and yet you are going to destroy the greatest gift that G-D has given a woman.   Remember it is the soul of that baby you are killing.  What people fail to understand is the meaning of life. 
    What people also fail to realized this Texas the state where everyone is flocking too and maybe coming from other planets as well.  Heheheh…  The people of Texas is proud and proud of the state and here we are having this battle that has hit nationwide and what are the people thinking about.    Personally, I feel all abortion should be done in hospital setting.  What I like to see happen is before a person gets abortion is to get two side of the picture and to allow the person to examine both side of situation before the procedure is done.   What many fails to say about abortion is that many women who had one wish they did not go through procedure afterwards.  Furthermore, many fell into depression afterwards as well and life journey was very hard journey.  So this can be worked out in much more adult civil way.   Fighting over who is liberal or conservative is not the issue it about good vs. evil is the issue here.

    • LoriAPeterman

      sophializ   It’s God, thought maybe you forgot how to spell his name.

  • Tim Newton

    Why don t these mentally derranged idiot liberals go rape their own daughters instead????????????????Let them put their money where their dumb big mouths are & start at home instead

    • PinkOnion

      Great idea. Or rape themselves.

  • CurtisEdwardTurner

    Give them a one way ticket to Joe Arpaio’s tent city!!

    • PinkOnion

      And it can’t be soon enough. Drive them out with the illegals. They should initiate abortion in Mexico.

  • Emslykarl

    ” the heart of the wise inclines to the Right , but the heart of the fool is to the Left “- Eccl.10:2 . So apparently even Solomon observed the folly of the Left over 3000 years ago ! Man without God is a fool ! That explains why it’s the same in Russia , Germany , or America ; everything changes and yet remains the same !

    • BobE

      Emslykarl  9 MILLION children under 5 die EVERY year!  That’s 25,000 a day! ANY god that would allow children to suffer & die in this way either can do nothing to help them or chooses not to making him impotent or evil. Worst yet he then sentences them to being tortured in hell for eternity! Through no fault of their own they were born into the wrong culture where they got the wrong theology & missed the revelation, So, God creates the culture isolation, he then engineers the circumstances of their death in ignorance of revelation & then creates the penalty for this ignorance which is being tortured in hell for eternity!

      • jojac

        BobE Emslykarl  
        Wow,   that is some logic you have there BobE.  But when you face the righteous Judge, who  has the right to judge you because He died a very painful death so that you can escape eternal damnation in Hell,  you will be absolutely speechless.  At that time you will bow the knee and acknowledge that Jesus is Lord and Savior.  But unless you stop loving to hate God,  and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior before you die, it  will be too late. The choice is yours.

        • hankster6

          jojac BobE Emslykarl  jojac: Well said!

        • BobE

          jojac BobE Emslykarl  Assuming the jesus story is true for a moment. How do we know he died a “very painful death”? Jesus could not have had the a Y chromosome of a human male (because his father was god) so how do we know what his pain threshold was?  As for judgment day… sticks into snakes, walking on water, talking snakes and donkeys, living in the belly of a whale for 3 days, living for several days in a burning furnace, causing the sun to stand still, turning water into wine, creating humans from dirt, a great flood covering the whole planet and all the animals of the world gathered by twos into a big boat… all absolutely absurd in the highest degree. Even more disturbingly, people will believe that which is blatantly immoral– wars of extermination, the killing of children and defenseless women by the thousands, salvation by faith regardless of the crime committed, the use of human beings as slaves, the oppression of women, intolerance of other religions, human sacrifice, the cruelty of Armageddon, and a place called Hell– a place of infinite torture, infinite revenge, for the vast majority of all humans that have ever been born!  why would anyone believe this ridiculous nonsense, this filthy trash? It is not because they are stupid. No adult person is so unintelligent as to believe that animals can speak human language. The root of Compartmentalization, is the fear of death, and the inability to conceive of their own non-existence. People are so afraid of dying, of leaving everything they know and love, that they are willing to believe a lie, a fairy-tale, in order to comfort themselves. So great is the desire to meet again those we love in some eternal heavenly afterlife, that we are willing to compartmentalize our brains, and forever cease to use critical thinking in some areas of life. It is a selfish reason, having nothing to do with the welfare of others.

        • jojac

          BobE jojac Emslykarl
          Quite an interesting response BobE.  I figured you would  share some more of your “superior” logic with us.   You won’t be able to understand this, but  you are proof of the truth of God’s Word.  And for your  “welfare”  I must warn you that the more you scoff at the  God who only doeth wondrous things, the harder Hell will be for you if you choose to go there.  But  you don’t have to go to Hell.  Jesus loves you and will save even you if you change your attitude toward God and accept the death of Jesus as payment in full to  God for he debt you owe to Him for your sins against Him. That is the wisest thing you could ever do.
          And yes, the God who created all things with the breath of His mouth is able to give voice to a dumb ass, and is able to have destroyed all flesh except for those on  the ark, because the gene pool of those who drowned  had been corrupted by the fallen angels.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE jojac Emslykarl  
          Speaking of compartmentalizing a brain – it’s evident you went further than that – you’ve closed the door and turned out the light.
          People here have knocked on your door, but all they hear is the echo of emptiness.

      • TinmanJones

        BobE BobE, you quit that now!  Children who die are not being sentenced to torture in a hellish eternity.  Have you ever chosen to send a donation to a non-profit to help a single child escape the clutches of poverty or perhaps, like here in urban America, two slugs for parents who won’t get off their rears to get a job because they would rather use all the cash that our stinkin’ government gives them for lottery tickets and those vices of alcohol and whatever else?  
             Again, Jesus said “To love your neighbor as yourself”, which is one of His two edicts that are the fulfillment of the old law (Ten Commandments).  Now, imagine if 2 million people just in the US alone (in addition to those who already do) chose to help a hungry child by taking $30 of their hard earned paycheck each month to ensure that a kid has daily meals.  This isn’t according to John Lennon’s gospel, it’s the Truth spoken by Jesus to the depraved of His time, and it quite thoroughly speaks to the selfishly depraved of our day and time.  
             We know that poverty is the root of most children deaths in the world.  Instead of laying blame on a loving God who asks us to take care of each other, why not be a part of the solution yourself, and convince some others to do the same?  As it stands right now, you are a part of the problem.  C’mon, man, and get on the bus.  There are people who need you, and when you are helping others, your emotional tank will begin to fill a little more!  Share LOVE / don’t spread hate!  Romans 12:12!

        • hankster6

          TinmanJones BobE TinmanJones: If this is the first time that you have dealt with BobE, you are in for a shock. Most of us, sometimes, read his remarks and delete them as they are not worth the time and effort to try to reason with someone who seems to be irrational. The more you try to get a reasonable point across or a fact across, the more he will argue and you get no where. Just a suggestion for you. Do what most of us do, if you like to read his remarks, that is fine. After that I suggest delete them. In other words, no sense arguing. I step in, sometimes, as I did, because you are involved and may not know who you are dealing with. That’s all. You can argue all you want. You do have that freedom, but he will, likely, upset you and it simply not worth it.

        • PinkOnion

          I read somewhere that poverty is a self inflicted wound and I wholeheartedly agree with that. With all the opportunities in our country to educate yourself for a degree or a trade, there is no reason for just waiting for something to be given to you.  Feeding the hungry child though is very noble. Just make sure the child gets it and not the good-for-nothing adult this child came from or is responsible for.

        • TinmanJones

          You are right, PinkOnion. I wish there was a way to guarantee stuff like that. Thanks for your response. Romans 12:12!

        • PinkOnion

          Somebody should. Like social services, schools, religious organizations etc. Some schools have lunch programs but that may not be enough. A child needs 3 meals a day. Maybe some kind of soup kitchen for kids serving 3 meals a day. This should be state or city/town sponsored/funded.  If they give freebies to the illegals, they can do this for children of legal citizens.

        • TinmanJones

          PinkOnion It is a plain shame that we have handouts for those who are not properly in the US instead of children of citizens.  Well, I hope there is a way to settle the point you brought up because it is depleting our fed’s shallow pockets.  But where there is a government’s will, there is a way to tax more.  
               Romans 12:12!

        • TinmanJones

          hankster6  Thanks, hankster6.  I had a little run of back-and-forth with BobE on a different topic over the last week and a half.  No matter how gently and dignified I tried to be, his/her responses left me scratching my head.  But, if the thief on the cross next to Jesus got to live his live however he wanted until his dying day and got into Heaven just at the nick of time, then there is hope for BobE.  It is, however, a little hard to be patient with a snarky individual who confesses a love for all things anti-Christian.  Keep me posted.  Romans 12:12!

        • PinkOnion

          Very true. The politicians are giving the illegals the benefits but we are the ones providing the money. All the pols do is increase our taxes. Another problem to be dealt with. Email or call your Congressman and Senators. Are you familiar with NumbersUSA? Check them out. Faxes are free.

        • TinmanJones

          PinkOnion I like free faxes.  Will check it out.  Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          TinmanJones BobE Indeed I have. My sister runs our family’s charity (granted it was left to us by our parents) but it gives money to help children living on the streets in Hollywood along with a few other causes that interest her . Christians may believe that the cause of poverty here in America is because “two slugs for parents won’t get off their rears to get a job because they would rather use all the cash that our stinkin’ government gives them for lottery tickets and those vices of alcohol and whatever else” but that’s only because you’re ignorant. I can assure you the problem is far more complex than that. BTW, where do non Christian children say 10 & under go when they die?

        • BobE

          PinkOnion
          Evangelicals love Jesus
          for what he does for them. Through his magical grace, and by shedding his
          precious blood, Jesus saves Evangelicals from everlasting torture in hell, and
          guarantees them a premium, luxury villa in heaven. For this, and this only,
          they love him. They can’t stop thanking him. And yet, as for Jesus himself —
          his core values of peace, his core teachings of social justice,and his core
          commandments of goodwill— most Evangelicals seem to have nothing but disdain.

        • jojac

          hankster6 TinmanJones BobE 
          We know that we can not convince BobE, but we also know that a farmer does not  make his crop sprout and grow, but the seed has to be planted first.  After the seed is planted it is the Holy Spirit that convicts the person of the truth of the Word.
          After one is born again the wisest thing they can do is to atempt to snatch others out of the flames.

        • TinmanJones

          jojac  Yesss!  Gotta cultivate and maybe one day the seed will grow!  Romans 12:12!

        • TinmanJones

          BobE BobE, like all organizations, your charity is bound to have a web site.  Do you care to share it?
               I don’t mind you calling me ignorant.  But I need you to expound on how complex the situation is for the hungry children.  I regard that most of what you would statistically claim accounts for maybe 12-15% of the problem.  You probably scoff at the number of families on food stamps/ welfare.  Either way, too many people are dependent on liberal policies to keep them from the end of the rope, and they don’t know what to do with any excess if there is any. 
               Now, here is my ignorant explanation of where Christian (or non) children under 10 go when they die.  There is a little part of our galaxy, just beyond Pluto, set aside for them.  When they get there, they are treated to the following sound bites in perpetual loops for all eternity: 
            1.  Popeye the Sailor laughing     2.  Homer Simpson saying “Doh!”     3.  Curly Howard’s “Nyuk!  Nyuk!  Nyuk!”     4.  Alice from The Brady Bunch saying “Pork chops and apple sauce.”     5.  Maxwell Smart’s “Missed it by that much!”     6.  Rodney Dangerfield’s “I don’t get no respect!”     7.  Clark Gable’s “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”     and 8.  Beavis and Butthead’s “Hehe-Hehe-Hehe”.
               Since you have been quoting the Bible in your posts, look up the answer to the child issue and tell me what you find, please.  Right now, I don’t think you will be missing anything Heavenly by that much, but if you take some things with a grain of salt and try to rise up out of the mire you are stuck in, Heaven can be a reality for you.  It comes down to whether or not you want to ask Jesus into your heart.  Hey, Jesus didn’t ask any of us to die for Him, He asked us to live for Him!  (Matthew 10:39)  Get busy living!  
               Romans 12:12!

        • TinmanJones

          BobE PinkOnion BobE, I don’t believe that most evangelicals have disdain for what Jesus said we should do.  The problem is that all evangelicals have a problem with SIN.  Every ounce of sin is noticeable to non-believers who are watching those who try to live Godly lives.  Emotions get the best of us at times, too, and turning the other cheek for the enemy to strike is difficult.  Following that part of Jesus’ instructions (Matthew 5) is very hard.  I think that the social/cultural differences that exist have waylayed many evangelicals, and it is hard for them (me) to meet the demand with compassion, so sometime they (I) throw their (my) hands up because the old pride sets in and they (I) want a little help.    We are all in the same situation–Christians and non-Christians–but it is easy to pick apart those who wear a cross around their necks but act like any pagan in the land.  What’s your story on how you got your knowledge of the Bible?  
               Romans 12:12!

        • zenock

          hankster6 TinmanJones BobE . I respectfully disagree. He is here because he loves God but sees the hypocrisy of Christians that make him so confused and full of hate. To many of us provide nothing but lip service of our faith. How did a nation of Christians ever allow Roe vrs wade stand for so long……? I believe whole heartedly that we are being punished as a people and nation because we put our interest and fears above God’s law. Bob is controlled by demons and yes he will get under your skin but you just never know what might flip a switch. One might even say we plating an active role in creating the bob’s of this world.

        • jimhunt

          TinmanJones BobE ,since john3:13 tells us that no man has at anytime ascended up to heaven ,but he that came down from heaven ,even the son of man which is in heaven.then when we die our spirit returns to the source from which it came ecclesiastes 12:7,the body returns to the dust,in other words we go to the grave,doesn’t matter weather we are nine day old or ninety years old,no one immediately goes in to heaven,until the resurrection.the bible tells us that heaven is not up,it is within,most of what has been taught by traditional Christainity is base on someones opinion rather than scripture which gives us at least some knowledge on the subject,do we know all there is to know about it,of course not we only know what YHWH has chosen to reveal to us from his word.much of what is taking place in our present world of today is because of our disobedience to YHWH(GOD) and his word( torah)we actual seem to believe that we can thumb our nose at him and get away with it,we can’t.if we have hungar ,adults,children,doesn’t madder,war,floods ,no madder what, it always comes back to us,and our disobedience to him he is a loving heavenly father,who has since the fall of man,put into place safe guards,(boundries,limits if you will)to keep us inline,torah is teachings and instructions which contain rules(laws),when followed by us bring blessings,when transgressed bring curses up on us.YHWH is long suffering toward us ,that means he endures our nonsense ,in order to bring us to repentance.Satan loves to keep us in the dark,and through men invents false doctrine,false teachings to keep us in the dark(religion).torah is light proverbs 6:23.take away the torah and you remove his light, and are in darkness,YHWH is light thus he is also TORAH.yeshua is the light of the world,thus he is the torah made flesh.obey YHWH (spirit) and live,disobey YHWH and die(flesh).—-jim hunt

        • jimhunt

          TinmanJones BobE PinkOnion ,the bible defines sin as transgression of the law 1 john 2:4 all have sinned and fallen short of his glory(his perfection) christains have been preached to and taught that YHWH(GOD) no longer reguires us to keep his commandments because of his grace,but grace is the power of YHWH that he extends into our hearts and minds to transform us into the likeness of yeshua the messiah,and to empower us to walk as yeshua walked 1 john 2:3-6 not as the world walks.we keep the torah by faith in order to live a righteous and holy(set apart)life style,if we just keep the requirements out of duty then we waste our time,faith is taking YHWH at his word and doing it,we keep it because YHWH said to keep it,that is faith, is it hard “yes” we have to learn to walk the faith walk yeshua said in matthew 7:14 the way is narrow that leads to life and few would find it.the way to destruction is wide(religion) and many there be that go in,religion only requires believe without works,the kingdom of YHWH requires believe coupled with works(works of torah).if abraham had heard the voice of YHWH but did not respond in faith to his TORAH(voice) Isaac would not have been the seed through which all the nations were to be blessed, the plan of YHWH could not have been instituted and gone forth.YHWH does not necessarily expect us to keep torah perfectly if we fall short the blood of messiah washes us of all unrighteousness,we confess our sin repent and ask YHWH’S for giveness.YHWH’S judgement is against willful sin hebrews 10:26,we are imperfect creatures,his torah is perfect we will fall short although not willfully,he gives us space to learn his ways and obey him.YHWH does not require us to die for him,he requires us to die to sin(the flesh)and not be ruled by it.and that is exactly what took place with righteous abraham.he died to his own will(flesh) ,and obeyed YHWH,can you see that.—-jim hunt

        • BobE

          TinmanJones BobE PinkOnion
          Jesus was very clear
          that the pursuit of wealth was inimical to the Kingdom of God, that the rich
          are to be condemned, and that to be a follower of Him means to give one’s money
          to the poor. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of corporate greed
          and capitalistic excess, and they are the most opposed to institutional help
          for the nation’s poor — especially poor children. They hate anything that
          smacks of ‘socialism,’ even though that is essentially what their Savior
          preached. They despise food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals,
          job training — anything that might dare to help out those in need. Even though
          helping out those in need was exactly
          what Jesus urged humans to do.

        • jimhunt

          BobE TinmanJones PinkOnion ,if those who call themselfs believers would simply obey YHWH all of these problems of our nation and other nations would be taken care of and would cease to be,all our needs would be met,thing got this way over a long period of time,and will not necessarily go away over night ,and I agree with you on the money and riches,we spend to much on our selfs and way to little on the important things including the poor ,way to much on false religion,most of which they squander on them selfs,that also goes for most secular charities ,goverments also squanders vast wealth on its self.the reason welfare is hated is because it enslaves people to idleness and sloth,and makes them dependant on the gods of goverment(idolatry) rather than on the one true god YHWH .GOD will not allow this to continue for ever,he will at some point judge the nations and us, judgement brings correction,first to the house of YHWH(believers)and then to the world.tribulation is good in that respect and is needed in our day and time,but is a time of great darkness and hard times.giving and supporting the poor was never intended to be the responsibility of the goverment,nor for churches to lay up vast treasures on earth,as it is today or to use YHWH as a sugar daddy,so we can heap materialism and wealth to our selfs,as many preachers claim, the bible says that a fools money will destroy him .we are to come out of babylon, not remain there,and hope we won’t get burned.—jim hunt

        • DRLJR

          TinmanJones BobE PinkOnion You hit the nail on the head as the saying goes.  Christians are not perfect.  They are supposed to strive for perfection.  And of course those who hate responsibility and being held responsible for their actions will look for anything to distract people.

        • DouglasMRoy

          jojac hankster6 TinmanJones BobE I’ll remind you of the teaching of Jesus about the seed. Some fell on the wayside, or the hard path. Birds immediately came and took the seed. Such is Bobby. The birds represent the demons who take the word from hard-hearted men before it can do its work.

        • DouglasMRoy

          zenock hankster6 TinmanJones BobE  zenock stated,”He is here because he loves God but sees the hypocrisy of Christians that make him so confused and full of hate.” Bobby doesn’t love God because he rejects the commands of God and certainly doesn’t obey them. He may be bothered by the hypocrisy in those professing Christianity, but so am I and so are many others, but he has chosen to mock God and loves his sin. He rejects all faith in God. “But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt.”
          Isaiah 57:20 (ASV)

        • zenock

          DouglasMRoy zenock hankster6 TinmanJones BobE  Douglas, I agree and have tremendous respect for the righteous wisdom you clearly have. Something Bob told me, was that he would prefer hell over heaven because the company would be more to his taste. So why does he spend all his time here among Christians?

        • TinmanJones

          zenock DouglasMRoy hankster6 TinmanJones BobE  zenock, I mentioned last week to BobE the irony of him being on a conservative web site deriding all that we say, but he took it in stride and chose to not comment on that.  It’s fun refuting all that he opines about, nonetheless!  Romans 12:12!

        • jojac

          DouglasMRoy jojac hankster6 TinmanJones BobE 
          Yes, there is rocky soil, but we don’t know for sure who that is.  It  is possible that those who fight  God so hard and frequent are under conviction and are trying to convince themselves or to justify them self.

        • TinmanJones

          jojac DouglasMRoy hankster6 TinmanJones BobE You are correct jojac!  Gotta keep the dialogue alive!  Romans 12:12!

        • PinkOnion

          Jesus loves everyone, Evangelicals included. How these people perceive Jesus and his teachings has nothing to do with Who Jesus is. Jesus is Incorruptable.

        • PinkOnion

          Sounds good. NumbersUSA is really good. Seems to be the only site  for the country and the people. God bless you,TinmanJones.

        • TinmanJones

          DouglasMRoy Fantastic scripture!  Thanks DMR!  Romans 12:12!

      • glorimom

        BobE Emslykarl You are obviously a Godless sort that has no clue how He works. The lies or misinformation you spew here shows you are ignorant and evil. God does not send 5 yr old children to hell. He has given the human race free will, the people that murder do it themselves. God is the first to cry when a life is taken. God created humans to do as they please , it is so sad so many chose evil. That includes you BobE. How sad.

        • BobE

          glorimom BobE Emslykarl  Where does a 5 year old Muslim child that’s just starved to death in Sub-Saharan Africa go when he dies? Does it make any difference if he’s 7?

        • glorimom

          BobE glorimom Emslykarl   I do not believe he goes to hell. My belief is he would go to a place ‘like heaven’ but not be with God. and I don’t think it would matter if he is 7 . That is what I as a Catholic has been taught, I do not know what what the Muslims believe.

        • BobE

          glorimom BobE Emslykarl  many Christians don’t want to believe that their “all loving” god would sentence children to eternal torture but read your bible, that is EXACTLY what he does!

        • jojac

          BobE glorimom Emslykarl  
          Jesus loves children. 56 plus million aborted children are at the feet of Jesus.  That is the one consolation with abortion. Children that die before the age of accountability go to be with the Lord.  God is absolutely just.

        • StephenPennlowe

          BobE glorimom Emslykarl  And where is the Bible might that be?

        • BobE

          jojac BobE glorimom Emslykarl
          What is the “age of accountability” to an “absolutely just god” of a child starving to death in some 3rd world country? Whatever it is it brings up an interesting dilemma. Do you think “non Christian” children suffering miserably from disease & starvation would be better off if we killed them just prior to “the age of accountability” (assuring them a place in heaven) or allow them to suffer a little longer (condemning them to an eternity of torture in hell)?

        • DRLJR

          BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl Actually, scripture states that he who is without the word will be judged without the word – paraphrased.

        • jimhunt

          BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl  satan is the god of this world,man is his instrument of destruction in the earth,or man is the instrument of YHWH for righteousness in the earth,the choice is ours,so far it looks as if satan is winning doesn’t it,and in many lifes he is winning. don’t hold YHWH responsible for our failings,if you are really that concerned then you do what is right in YHWH’S sight keep his commandments,and you be a tool he can use to bring Justice to this world.you talk but don’t do his word,complainers don’t get gods ear,its those who hear and do that have his attention.don’t buy into this concept of a greek hell where everyone is tortured forever and ever .if there is age of accountability it would be probably be around twenty years,as the child in the bible is under his father authority till then,if you have a bible look it up don’t expect some one to do everything for you,they didn’t for me,and they won’t for you either.—jim hunt

        • DouglasMRoy

          jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl  Jim, you were on the beam until this: “don’t buy into this concept of a greek hell where everyone is tortured forever and ever .if there is age of accountability it would be probably be around twenty years.” The reality of  eternal punishment is Biblical and is what Christ taught and the apostles. Once children are old enough to understand right and wrong they become accountable. They can perish, because Jesus tells us, “it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.” Matt 18:14 He was talking about little children.

        • jimhunt

          DouglasMRoy jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom,I never said there wasn’t and eternal punishment for sin,the wages of sin is death,eternal separation from YHWH,but concept of being tortured for ever in burning hell originated with the greek culture,not in the Tanakh( hebrew scripture).like most christains you believe your new testament is the highest authority,its not, it is subject to the authority of the torah,the prophets,and the writings of Hebrew scriptures,(old testament).yeshua tells us he did not come to do his will but will of the father who sent him,the will of the father is and has always been his TORAH which is of the highest authority always, ok mister wonderful you tell me,according to the bible what is the age of accountabliity,ya’ll brought this subject up,so lets see what it is, you tell me,or is this just more christain tradition  with little root in scripture.compared to YHWH we are all little children just the little ones in scripture,don’t forget yeshua said unless you come as little children you will in no wise enter into the kingdom of YHWH matthew 18:3.—jim hunt

        • DRLJR

          DouglasMRoy jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl What people forget is that in Christian and Jewish teaching that in the end God separates himself from those that chose to reject him – angles and man.  The “hell” is the permanent separation from God.  Take the depravity we see today and imagine it totally unrestrained and you will be able to get a glimpse of what Hell will really be like.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR DouglasMRoy jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl  DRLJR: I am guessing that you have not read the definition in the Bible about hell. You didn’t mention that and there is a lot more to it. From what i understand, it is supposed to be very hot there!

        • jojac

          BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl  
          God alone has the right and the authority to determine when a person is born and when a person dies.  Where there is long term starvation in a nation, it is because they have rejected the true God.  Is it India where they worship cows, and there many go malnourished?

        • jojac

          jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl  
          If a person dies having rejected Jesus Christ, they will be forever separated from God, who is light, thus they will be in eternal darkness.  They will take with them all the present sinful desires, but they will never be able to get satisfaction from those desires. It is my personal opinion  that they will be all alone, they will be aware of others, but not be able to see, touch or communicate with them, and they will know that they will never get out of there. That will be torment and it will be because they know that they have no one to blame for their being there except their  own self.   The torture or torment is of their own doing.  The New Testament uses the picture of the trash continually burning  to symbolize torment, with fire being the nature of torment. To me that is Hell.  And I don’t see a contradiction with the Old Testament.

        • jojac

          jimhunt DouglasMRoy BobE jojac glorimom 
           The actual age of accountability will differ for different people. People have different levels of maturity at a given age. When I was a child it was commonly accepted that the age of accountability for those who grew up in a christian family and attended church regularly, etc., to be ABOUT 12.  And I think that that was probably  based on the fact that  a Jewish boy took (what is it called?) the Bar Mitzvah (spelling?) which declared him a man, at,  was it age 12 or was it 13?
          Today, with many young people being in immature families, and among immature peers and teachers, etc.  it may be (tragically)  20 or so years old.  That is a slam on society, but it is a slam on the church also, because we have ignored sin, and darkness and looked the other way, when we are instead expected to expose the darkness to light, and  expected to confront sin and darkness and evil and take a stand for righteousness.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR DouglasMRoy jimhunt BobE jojac glorimom Emslykarl I wasn’t trying to describe hell in complete detail.

      • Always a Marine

        BobE Emslykarl  
        Well, I’ll give you credit for concocting one doozy of a straw man – theological no less.
        Assign to God attributes and actions that are foreign to God, but at home in your fevered brain.  Then with your false assumptions, you argue with yourself (not the Bible, because it has a different message.  Then, having built a straw man, and concocted a silly argument and rebuttal you come to the conclusion that you started with to construct your straw man.
        Damn, that’s a lot of effort that’s not necessary.  We already know exactly what you are.  Are you trying to convince your self you’re different than you really are?

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine  Emslykarl “Always a Marine” that is the standard technique used by the “Left” to deceive people.  Create fake arguments and then destroy then pretending they  were created by someone else and then claim you, the person who created the strawman in the first place,  are stating some profound truth.  The “Left” just wraps it up it more rhetoric to make it harder to unravel.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Yeah, too bad lefties can’t get their mind out of first gear, but they run their mouth in overdrive.

      • DavidBarger

        BobE Emslykarl  You need to better understand what God is about before you go off and blubber words that show how ill informed you are about the subject in which you speak of.

      • Umberli

        BobE Emslykarl  We are all going to die, Bobby,  Including you.  Death is not the point.  You are graded by how you live.  When you take a life, you are a devil.  When are you ever going to find real facts, over  Goebbels propaganda?  All your articles you like to quote is just that, “Goebbels propaganda.  Do you have an original thought of your own?

      • bobseeks

        BobE Emslykarl It is too bad that your ignorance is even greater than your passion.

  • Emslykarl

    Excellent point , DRLJR , we should never loose sight of that fact . ” by their fruits shall they ( true believers ) be known ” . The following quite from How Shall We Then Live ? by Francis Schaeffer makes the point well : ” If what we believe is not reflected in the way we live our lives ( Christians ) , then all we are doing is waving a flag “. God will not be asking the question – what did you profess – on judgment day ; the question will be – was Christ your Lord and Savior ?

  • PatAlexander

    It is what it is. Pro Abortion activists have a mental disorder as they have a one way street to acquire their wants and desires! Obviously with this disorder they only see themselves that count in a world of many others! With the mental disorder comes ranting and raving when their desires and wants are not met! They become distraught and ill that a small human can control their life and stay on earth! It is what is is , right to life at conception or death issued by the mentally ill !

  • donl

    I grew up in pennsylvania, we have hillbillies, rednecks and members of the KKK. So don’t say they are all in the south, DUFUS.

    • machaffykorea

      donl 
      in MA they tried to confiscate firearms from the rednecks and got an abundance of lead in return

  • zenock

    How do you stop George Soros and his son’s. This family owns the democratic party and funds billions of dollars to progressive and liberal institutions. Here’s a interesting link read about Soros and his 2 boys one named Jonathon is or was on the board of directors. Obama is his puppet. Granted the moral decay of America has made this possible . What people will do for money is mind boggling. There has to be a way to stop George Soros….maybe the Rothchilds..LOL

    • zenock
    • BobE

      zenock Why do teabaggers demonize George Soros and idolize the Koch brothers? The Koch brothers spent 10X’s the money Soros did.

      • glorimom

        BobE zenock Another lie BobE Soros is demon as he uses his money to buy his brand of hate  and socialism in all aspects of the American way. He wants to destroy our country and is using his money to do just that. Unlike the Koch brothers who are trying to save of from the likes of the evil liberals who are all for socialism and murder.

        • BobE

          glorimom BobE zenock Like everything you got it backwards. The Koch brothers invested, bought & paid for the tea party to find a group of idiots that were dumb enough to vote against their own interests in favor of theirs! They hit pay dirt with teabaggers

        • mopenshaw

          BobE glorimom zenock SERIOUSLY??  I’ve been running a Tea Party for four years now.  And no organization I know of STARTED with any funding, nor received any significant money fro the Kochs- or anyone else- for the first 18 months.  UNTIL we started bending the voter curve. THe Kochs may have been donating to some national groups who CLAIM to be the Tea Party, but I have news for you: NO GROUP I KNOW TAKES ANY ORDERS FROM THE NATIONAL GROUPS.  We are all local entities, often working quite differently, working on different aspects that fit what our members want to do.  We have differences between groups and communication problems.  We are TRULY a grassroots organization.  If you think thing like FreedomWorks IS the Tea Party, they aren’t.  Some of us use tools they offer, most of us DO NOT.  If they actually tried to call us and give us marching orders, all they’d hear would be a dial tone.

        • zenock

          BobE glorimom zenock   I happen to be more inline with the tea part Bob,.I know little about the Koch’s. And considering your an atheist….. your a lost cause for the time being. Your so full of demons you don’t know up from down or backwards from forward.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE glorimom zenock
          Once again you don’t fail to live down to standards.  Nothing but the daily propaganda from the socialist party central.
          Never having expressed an original thought, I wonder how it feels to simply be a puppet parroting the party line.

        • Evermyrtle

          glorimom BobE zenock Do you know what these promoters of hate, hate most? The truth!! They cannot stand the truth

        • BobE

          mopenshaw BobE glorimom zenock Let’s be honest. The Tea party isn’t made up of the sharpest knifes in the drawer but if you spent 5 minutes researching the origins of the Tea party you’d find out that the Tea party is anything BUT a ” grassroots organization”
          http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2013/02/news-desk-study-confirms-tea-party-was-created-by-koch-brother-billionaires/

        • Evermyrtle

          glorimom BobE zenock  
          John 8:31-32
          31  Then said to the Jews which believed on HIM, if ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed:
          32. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free. 
          Zechariah 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
          Proverbs 12:19 The lip of truth shall be established for ever:  but at lying tongue is but for a moment.
          1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know HIM, and keepeth not HIS commandments is a liar, and the truth is no in him.
          2 Tim. 2:12 12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with HIM: If we deny HIM HE also will deny us
          This hated truth is not what the people who are destroying,  want. They do not want to save America, America is being sold out to Communism by the antichrist and all who are working  with him in  with this evil  is the enemy of America.

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle glorimom BobE zenock Evermyrtle: Good scriptures, all. Well done!

  • MiaPaige

    Amazingly well worded article.  And so truthful.

  • TinmanJones

    Great bumper sticker or t-shirt once read, “Aren’t you glad your mother chose life?”  I was born a few short years before Roe v. Wade.  Most shameful court decision ever.  Since then, how many men and women have carried the title of “Doctor” just for the sake of fast cash for a convenient murder?  Thank goodness the reality of Gosnell’s clinic made national news and riled several in the non-conservative of the issue.  Hope they get that new bill down in Texas without some catheter bag wearing lady filibustering.

    • BobE

      TinmanJones  Although I support woman right to choose I understand the abortion argument but what I don’t understand is the opposition to contraceptives. The sperm never gets to the egg so by ANY definition there’s no “life” & it would lead to less abortions.

      • TinmanJones

        BobE I understand your notion on contraceptives, but the issue is strictly one of lust and sex outside of marriage.  Anything that shrouds in darkness the purpose of an act that God intended to be a product of EROS love that exists between a husband and a wife is contrary to God’s ways.  That concept has been so perverted by “openness” that people who share PHILEO love with each other cross a moral line when they choose to exhibit EROS with each other, and that in term, keeps them from truly experiencing AGAPE love, which allows people to see how God cares for them and should be reciprocated.  Using contraceptives denotes sin that is fueled by pleasure.  The act of sex has a divine purpose.  It wasn’t laid out for people to jump into the pleasure dome AND have an obedient relationship with God at the same time.  It is easy to see why abortion is completely against Christianity and our loving God.  As always, BobE, you and I are one day closer!  Be ready!  Ask Jesus into your heart.  That has to be done!  
        Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          TinmanJones BobE I feel sorry for Christians. People feel very guilty about their sexual behavior when they are religious, but that does not stop them: it just makes them feel bad. Of course, they have to return to their religion to get forgiveness. It’s like the church gives you the disease, then offers you a fake cure.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE TinmanJones 
          Have you ever considered psychotropic drug therapy?

        • TinmanJones

          BobE  BobE, something that may have blipped by your theological radar is the concept that the first institution God created in all of this is the FAMILY.  Not the government or militia or pack of buddies or judges or “multiple partners”, etc.  It begins with the family.  
               So (way back in the day) as the fall of man sets in, the concept of one man/one woman becomes perverted and we get daughters sleeping with their drunken fathers and homosexual activity in Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. as indicated in the OT. 
               To say that Christians feel guilty about their sexual behavior sounds like some spin you’d hear on an Oprah Winfrey show.  Christians are rightfully as pleased with the act of sex as anybody on earth, and derive more pleasure from the act because it is within the confines of it’s intention.  BTW, the apostle Paul admonished that is was better to have a wife than to be inflamed with lust.  
               In this day, people have the ol’ “Easier to ask forgiveness than permission” nonchalance about sex, so divorce and abortion become conveniences instead of evils that deface the character God wants for us all.  Also, in Romans 1, it mentions that “men abandoned natural relations with women and became inflamed with lust for other men” (verse 22).  So the ones who should feel shame or embarrassment about sex should be these types.  I hope you don’t fall under the umbrella of this paragraph, BobE!  If so, God’s Grace is so powerful to forgive so you can let go of past mistakes.  My mistakes?  Done and gone, even the ones that lie ahead.
               Romans 12:12!

        • DRLJR

          TinmanJones BobE People fail to understand that Greek has 7 words (I believe it is 7) that when Greek is translated to English those words are translated to love.

      • zenock

        BobE TinmanJones  In a nutshell. It’s called mutual masturbation Bob. It’s not just and issue outside marriage in fact it’s commonly practiced in marriage of many people that are Christians I’m sorry to admit. This is perhaps one reason you find hypocrisy and fault with Christians

        • BobE

          zenock BobE TinmanJones The hypocrisy of Christians never ends

        • MiaPaige

          BobE zenock TinmanJones so sorry you feel that way.
          Every human who has ever lived will stand before the Son of
          God at the last judgment.  Please don’t let Him find you in need of salvation.  By then, it will be too late.

        • zenock

          BobE zenock TinmanJones  Bob, it ends, like Miapaige said

        • hankster6

          MiaPaige BobE zenock TinmanJones MiaPaige: Well said: I will make one other point. Remember Job, who had God’s protection against the whims of the devil, if a non believer does not have that protection, the devil can do whatever he wants to do. I believe that some people who die were not taken by God because of unbelief, but by the devil because of unbelief and rejection of Christ. Of course, I can not prove that, but if Job’s story is true and I believe every word…. Then the above, also may be true!

  • Almagor

    jany, I’m glad to see that other people are aware that Obama’s intention is to eventually have the USA ruled by Sharia law. Won’t those Liberal, Feminist, pro-abortion women be surprised when it comes. They will probably still not see that they brought it on themselves

  • Charles Grizzly

    Wouldn’t it be HILARIOUS if they got an ANSWER,FROM EITHER DIRECTION? ! ? !ROFLMFFS-IAO! ! ! ! !

  • violator1

    Bring on the light dear Heavenly father and Jesus For Jesus is the Truth and the Light of the world!Amen!

  • StephenPennlowe

    BobE E, with all the Bible information you gathered from the last two articles, I would think you could quote scripture by now. So, what gives, do you really want to know Christ Jesus, or just mock Him? These are indeed the last of the last days, and all wickedness abounds. But, in the end they shall not prevail.

    • BobE

      StephenPennlowe
      BobE
       I get the
      basic gist of it, the unending, all-powerful force of creation that
      hand-made the universe funneled himself into the body of a human fetus and then
      teleported the fetus into the uterus of a married virgin. He then spent 30
      years on earth walking around doing basically nothing and then one day
      rearranged reality to set in motion events that would lead to his own
      death…effectively committing suicide. He does this because his death will,
      for some or other reason, clear humanity’s sin tally (which he, himself is
      keeping up in heaven). And then after his plans to get himself killed fall into
      place, he looks around and asks himself why he has abandoned himself?

  • swsather

    The article exaggerates a legitimate story.   Jon Oliver, spokesman for State Sen. Donna Campbell, whose office received the vulgar emails, stated, “I wouldn’t say anything’s necessarily a direct threat, but they’re the kind of e-mails that make you a little nervous, especially when you start talking about family members: ‘I hope your family members are raped.’”    Also, the reference to paid protesters is just plain nonsense.   My office is about a block from the Capitol and the people who have been coming out to protest on both sides are ordinary citizens.

  • paulnordin

    Your main point is right on target.  However, hate is used by conservatives also.  One of the problems in America today is painting “groups” who use hate as either Left or Liberal or some other opposition group.  This alienates our allies and makes enemies of some.  Let’s all work toward tolerance and rational discourse.  Liberals and leftists also use reason and calm discussion of the issues.  Banning abortions after some arbitrary, but reasonable, gestation time period is the right thing to do.  Planned Parenthood (PP) is, presumably, a very good organization to help young, relatively helpless young women end an unplanned pregnancy and ending it before the fetus is viable outside the womb.  If the Texas bill restricts PP, then it should be opposed.

    • Always a Marine

      paulnordin 
      I don’t know who you addressed with your comments.  It is without controversy that hate is “used” by conservatives too.  It is an emotion common to man, not political party, etc.  As to “painting” groups it is a natural consequence of life as we commit ourselves to various ideologies – and “paint ourselves” when we publish our beliefs and practices.
      I’ll illustrate that with progressivism.  Dear Leader and Hillary (and many others) proudly identify themselves as progressives.  Beliefs central to progressivism include limiting the relevance of the Declaration of Independence to the Colonial period.  Similarly, progressives rob the authority of the Constitution by claiming that it too, is outdated and unworkable for modern society.  They also switch the authority of the Constitution by claiming it is a “living document” (pure hogwash that doesn’t comport with any theory of interpretation) and must be re-interpreted by the “elite.”  This effectively makes the “interpreters” the authority.
      You “presume” that Planned Parenthood is a “very good organization.”  To me, that’s like saying slave labor put a lot of people to work.  Planned Parenthood has a higher body count than Hitler and ought to be demolished and Roe v. Wade overturned.

      • hankster6

        Always a Marine paulnordin Always a Marine: Although, I would have added a few more comments, you have said what I was going to say,including, who is being responded to. I won’t add my comments now, as that would distract from your remarks. Well done!

      • BobE

        Always a Marine paulnordin are you a section 8? I cannot imagine a dipshit like you could even be a marine in this day and age. Either you’re a section 8 or over 60 years old.

        • Umberli

          BobE Always a Marine paulnordin Bob your filthy language shows everyone what goes on in your brain, “Nothing.”

      • Emslykarl

        Bravo , Always a Marine ; you hit the Bullseye ! Progressives refuse to accept the world, and our Country , as it is . Why ? Because it does not fit their world view. It’s that simple ! Please remember both Obama and his wife including this phrase in separate speeches : ” we must see the world as it
        SHOULD BE , rather thn the way it is “. Do you see their thinking reflected in that brief phrase ? They EXPECT the world to confirm to them , rather than them conforming to WHAT IS ! They are also arrogant enough to believe they know what’s void for us ; we are not intelligent enough to make that judgement ! Just trust us and we will lead you into Utopia . It is Plato’s Republic revisited ! Finally , they firmly believe.there should be no constraints on their power , otherwise they can not deliver the utopia they promise . Ergo , any absolutes , such as the Constitution , or the Bible , must be eliminated ;, if not immediately , eventually ! They view themselves as our DELIVERERS . Deliverers from the darkness of ” evils ” like individual rights and national sovereignty – archaic concepts in their view . They are as dangerous to our freedom as they are wrong in their ideology !

        • Always a Marine

          Emslykarl  
          Thanks.  That aspect of seeing things as they want them to be vs. as they are, at its root, it involves their rejection of God and his agenda.  They think they know better than He does.

    • zenock

      paulnordin  We call human being in the tunnel to life a “fetus”, scientific term. We call murder “abortion”, politically correct term. Don’t you find it amazing how the simple manipulation of words can have such a profound effect on human rationale? The devil is a master of making fools of people just as this analogy shows to, to me anyway.
      Mankind can rationalize anything it thinks it needs need or wants with little effort, time, and money. Planned Parent hood is full of people that demonstrate what fools will do for a job. They willingly become tools of Satan and his legions of Demons for a steady paycheck, Not because they are concern and earnestly doing a service for the “good” humanity. And yes hate is non discriminatory, and abortion/murder is the fruition of hate.

      • Umberli

        zenock paulnordin Yes, they hate their own bodies.

    • DouglasMRoy

      paulnordin So says the false prophet and servant of Satan. I strongly disagree with you and oppose your reasoning as ungodly. A human being is human from conception. The purpose of abortion originally was only to save the life of the mother who might die because of the pregnancy. To use abortion as a means of getting rid of an unwanted baby is evil and murder. What you call tolerance, God calls murder. What you call rational, God calls sin and perversion. Planned Parenthood is responsible for 6 to 10 million murders of babies. If you want rational discussion you must first be changed from the wicked, irrational man you are now.

      • DouglasMRoy

        paulnordin The majority of people are going to hell and you are one of them. Being on the side of those who rule and are in power does not make one right or good or reasonable. Today it just makes you one who hates God and calls good evil and evil good. If we are supposed to have reasonable discussions with people who hate God and good, I don’t know how that is accomplished. You will not budge and I will not budge. Compromise is for deciding which program gets how much money, not regarding morality and immorality. Liberals or progressives (socialist/communists) like yourself think morality should be up for discussion and change. And why not, you’ve sold out whatever true morality you had long ago.

        • Umberli

          DouglasMRoy paulnordin  They have substituted the words “Moral Evolution” for the word “sin.”

    • Almagor

      paulnordin The amount of hate speech by Conservatives is miniscule compared to Liberals. No, Liberals and Leftists never use logic or calm speech to discuss issues unless they do it of camera and only with Other Liberals. In 70 years I have never heard or seen a Liberal use logic when talking to a Conservative. You say you want all to work tolerance but for a Liberal. tolerance is the Conservative agreeing with the Liberal. It doesn’t make any difference how much time has gone by after conception. There is no scientific disagreement that the fertilized Ovum is a human being in it’s earliest life stage. To kill an innocent human being in any of it’s life stages is Murder, pure and simple. The only debate is whether the baby before birth is a “Person” which is a legal term” and has nothing to do with the morality of the act of abortion.

      • swsather

        Almagor paulnordin You must have an unusual definition of hate speech then.  When I read these message boards, I don’t hear much respectful speech.   I do hear the president and his supporters called all manner of vile epithets (there is one poster who regularly calls the president Dog Eater).   About the nicest thing you ever heard said about the opposition is that they are irrational and cannot be educated.

  • Emslykarl

    Here is a mystery that we mortals can never fathom : God gave EVERYTHING to save even depraved , disgusting , dispicable , people who disrespect their Creator AND His creatures, made in His image . He offers His grace even to the Hitlers of the world , as difficult as that is to grasp ! But , He will NOT ALWAYS STRIVE with those who choose to reject His grace ! That’s the sobering reality my friends ; you too BobE !

    • hankster6

      Emslykarl  I am reminded of Job, who had God’s protection, while the devil was doing everything he could to make Job deny and curse God. Without God’s protection, because Job loved God with all his heart, the devil was only allowed to do certain things and was not allowed to take his life. Some people that you are talking to, in today’s world, do not love God and do not have His protection. If you “knock the dust off your shoes” and leave them to the devil’s whims, I would not want to be in their shoes! Of course, they would never believe such a thing could happen. It is a dangerous thing to deny God/Christ, when a Christian has informed a sinner of Christ forgiveness!

      • Emslykarl

        C.S Lewis put it like this : ” Somewhere in the past , someone ( Satan ) got it into his head that he could become God , and all the evil that has ever existed in the history of man , can be traced back to that one source “! Paul says there are TWO mysteries in the Bible ; the mystery of Godlinesss is God making Himself man . The mystery of iniquity is mam making himself God “! It has always been thus , from Eden until now ! Today we have an ideology , personified in our President , that Progressivism can and must save mankind from himself ! It’s that simple ! If the State ( big government ) is god , there is no room for any other ! God must be removed from our society , else the goals of the Progessives can not be achieved , and that would jeopardize the ” common good “!

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  The progressives may be able to remove all written material containing the word God, but they CAN NOT touch the Holy Spirit living within believers! There have been groups in history that tried to burn all Bible they found, but the Bible is still around. Perhaps, they know better than to try that! They are not very bright. They have proven that time and time again. They believe that non progressives are the stupid people!

        • jojac

          hankster6 Emslykarl  
          I seem to recall that the infidel Voltaire said something to the effect of:  “100 years after my death Christianity will be no more.”  And after his death the American Bible Society bought his printing press.   God did indicate  that He will have the last laugh. Ps. 2

      • Emslykarl

        You’re so right , hamster ! I keep a mental image in my mind of Job sitting on top of a pile of rubbish at the city dump , scraping his open sores with shards of broken pottery to relieve the itching ! His bottom line was : ” even if He ( God ) slays me , yet will I trust Him !” there is nothing – NO THING – that BobE or anyone else can do or say that can make me turn against God ! Nada ! Been there , do that !

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  AMEN!!

        • DRLJR

          Emslykarl One thing I often point out to people who complain too often is that is Job could get through it so can they.  And I apply the same rule to myself.  I will ask them do they want to go through want Job did.  I often also asked if they prayed for patience. :-)

    • BobE

      Emslykarl  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IrtdLukslY

      • Emslykarl

        Psalm 14:14 – ” The fool has said in his heart ” there is no God ” ; they are corrupt . They have done abominable things” . Enough said !

        • DonBahn1

          Emslykarl  In America we celebrate April 1st, it is the Holiday for fools

  • Emslykarl

    The mind of a Progessive is absolutely closed to any view that is incompatible with their own ! Just watch any Liberal on any panel , discussing any topic , and you will see this fact played out before your eyes . If a Consevatives asserts that the sky is blue , the Liberal will argue that it’s only an illusion , but it’s really green ! Perhaps this is only a slight exaggeration ; but not much of one !

    • BobE

      Emslykarl  That’s funny because I see it just as the opposite. Perfect example. EVERY Conservative asserts that (a) in person voter fraud caused Obama to steal the election (b) In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.(c) In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast. (d) The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout (e) Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout (f) In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters (g)  Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.
      Granted NO conservative has posted a shred of evidence supporting this & they reject evidence proving EVERY one of these to be false, yet they still believe?

      • Always a Marine

        BobE Emslykarl  
        Nope – it’s not a perfect example.  It’s an imperfect example.  It is not true that EVERY conservative asserts what you have claimed. 
        You just make stuff up to suit your agenda.  You have proved Emslykarl’s claim.  And like she said, we see you do it right before our eyes.
        All through the last election there was hardly a week that went by that didn’t have a report of corrupt voting procedures.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl  a “report” by rightwing wingnuts is not fact

        • TinmanJones

          BobE Always a Marine Emslykarl  BobE, why don’t you just place a little fairness in your comments?  As someone said earlier, you must really be under conviction right now because everything going down in your posts is vehemently filled with sludge toward those with whom you don’t agree.  What’s going on?  Romans 12:12!

        • BobbyHutson

          Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl  If you think you are so right, why don’t you prove us wrong!?

        • BobbyHutson

          Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl  Sorry i meant the for BobE.

        • BobbyHutson

          BobE Always a Marine Emslykarl  Even thats better than being one of the borg collective.

        • Evermyrtle

          Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl Boobes’s writings are like poison that you should avoid at all costs. They are  filled with poison which will destroy your soul if you don’t be careful, how you use them, better not to touch.
          2. Rom. 3:13 Their throat is as open sepulcher: they have used their tongues t deceit: the poison of asps is under their lips

          2. Tim 2:23 And put away foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that that they engender strife

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl  Evermyrtle: The way i handle BobE is this: if I see his name only, I immediately delete his remarks. As you have done, if someone else is involved, I will warn them of whom they are dealing with and then delete. Trying to use rational reasoning is useless.

        • BobE

          I have done that alteady

        • hankster6

          BobE You have done what, already?

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          An rebuttal by subversive un-American leftists is always propaganda enforcing their bankrupt ideology.

        • Always a Marine

          BobbyHutson Always a Marine BobE Emslykarl  
          No problem – I understood who you directed your comment to.

        • BobE

          Proved you dingdongs wrong

        • Always a Marine

          BobE 
          There, there Bobbie, you sure did prove the dingdongs wrong.  Now don’t get too excited.  You can believe that if it makes you feel better. 
          Yes, we know that poochie told you that you won one.  Yes, you can pet him and give him a treat for telling you what to say.  Just calm down. 
          Here, take your medicine, you’ll be okay soon.  Say goodnight now to poochie, it’s time to raise the bars and put your straps on before you go to sleep.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

        • hankster6

          BobE Always a Marine BobE: You, being a liberal, will listen to the lies put out by liberal sources. Don’t try to convince me that the source is not liberal. If YOU check their background and who started the source, then you will learn that no conservatives are involved. You don’t want to accept anything negative about the fraud living in our white house. I am sure that you don’t believe he is a fraud, right?

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine
          Again, you don’t fail to disappoint – you want me to go to a leftist source that holds the same goals of supporting the bankrupt ideology of progressivism.
          In common parlance:  Democrats lie, FactCheck.org. swears to it.
          Again, another example of dishonest, misleading leftist tactics.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine BobE Always a Marine: We are on the same page. I just told BebE the same thing, in different words. When the only news and references he has is from the left, he can not accept that any other source is, actually, telling the truth.

        • SharonTaylor

          Always a Marine BobE  That’s two thumbs up!!!!!

      • Emslykarl

        That’s called myopia , BobE . You also have a habit of projecting ! To you , Conservatives are the ones who are bigoted , hateful , narrow minded , intolerant , pejorative , dishonest , power-hungry , divisive , etc., etc. ! Those are all traits that define so-called ” Progressives “! Yes , some Conservatives exhibit some of those traits some of the time ; Progressives exhibit all of those traits all of the time ! Take an objective look at the current POTUS , and you will find the entire package in one man ! That’s pretty amazing ! No wonder he is your hero !

  • Emslykarl

    I think the appropriate term for the state of his brain is VACUOUS ! Right BobE ?

  • Emslykarl

    Because in their view it’s ” only a mass of tissue “! Time is irrelevant ; convenience is more relevant to them !

  • Emslykarl

    I think we may have a ” rocky ground ” problem here !

  • Emslykarl

    I sure hope your sister is smarter than you are ! So your anger directed at your opponents is all about guilt ! You don’t have to feel guilty about inheriting your parents ‘
    wealth , but they could have used better judgement !

  • Almagor

    BobE, Jesus said that a person was foolish to pursue wealth and it made it almost impossible for the rich man to enter Heaven, but never, ever, did Jesus say that the rich are to be condemned by Christians! He said to the “rich young man” whom the Bible says Jesus loved, That, “to be perfect, he should give away everything he had and come and follow Jesus” He invited this young man to be His apostle,  Only single people can do what Jesus asked that man to do. I am not an Evangelical but you are ignorant when you say that Jesus taught Socialism. Everything that Jesus taught us to do was to do on an individual and voluntarily basis. Which Bible have you been reading? It sound like you have not been reading the Bible at all because what you say Jesus taught is so off base. The worst thing about you Liberal Socialists is that Jesus wanted you to give of your money but when government taxes are used for programs (especially the Liberal ones that don’t work) What you are really doing is stealing “other peoples money”, to do what you are supposed to do.

    • hankster6

      Almagor I also tried to re-educate BobE, but as far as I am concerned, irrational people just can not think rational. I don’t expect him to understand because he can not. He would have to be rational. He likes to try to confuse, lie, misquote and all the other things that the devil does and to deceive and expects us to be dumb enough to accept what he says. Well, being rational, we just don’t! We try to call his bluff, but I just don’t think it is possible for him to understand. It is amusing to watch him stumble all over himself, insult people, etc. In some respects, it is fun and in other respects, it is sad.

      • TinmanJones

        hankster6 Almagor Fun and sad is absolutely right.     Romans 12:12!

        • hankster6

          TinmanJones hankster6 Almagor TinmanJones: When does Mathew 10:14 apply?

        • TinmanJones

          I get your drift, hankster6. But if he keeps the dialogue going, I will continue so at least he can’t think “I shut that Christian up so I must be right.” Romans 12:12!

        • hankster6

          TinmanJones I, in no way, would try to shut you up. I even have a little fun with him, once in a while. I just wanted you to know who you are dealing with and not waste you time, unless you choose to. In some respects, it is amusing to read what they come out with!

        • TinmanJones

          Very amusing and jaw-dropping! Romans 12:12!

      • DRLJR

        hankster6 Almagor Which is standard response from the “Left”.  When they can not handle the facts they resort to lies, distortions, insults and name calling to try and shift the discussion.  The “Left” can not handle something which challenges their view point.  But we must always be aware of the agenda of those in power who actively manipulate these emotionally challenged “children”.

        When a person is so emotionally invested in something that they can not look at issues objectively they show themselves to be a fool.  What we have to be careful of is to not fall into the trap of condescension when these people expose themselves as fools.  That is almost as bad.  We have to treat these people as what they are – emotional children unable to reason.  And as these people are legal adults we have to remember that they are emotionally stunted adults who have never grown up.  Compare their actions and statements to the typical 4 or 5 year old who is been caught doing something wrong – how many of them blame someone or something else.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR hankster6 Almagor DRLJR: Well said, but I will talk to an adult differently that I would talk to a child. I expect an adult to be able to think like an adult and be reasonable. That is why I bring up the difference between being irrational and rational. A child is not old enough to understand those differences. I have no idea how old the people I am speaking with are, so I assume that they are adults and I should be able to speak to them as such. Even a child, I believes, has some concept of what is normal and what is not normal, if they have parents who are teaching them anything at home. Of course, in today’s world, that is even questionable.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR Almagor I do agree.  But listen to a child defend them self when caught doing something wrong.  They will present the argument defending them self logically, as they see it, the same as the “Left” does.  They believe what the saying even though they know the truth.  This is the same thing the “Left” does – they know “it” is wrong but still insist on “it” regardless of the consequences.

          But I do agree that “Left” is irrational.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR hankster6 Almagor DRLJR: Good point, all. Well said.

        • TinmanJones

          Agreed! Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          DRLJR hankster6 Almagor  Interesting, lets test your theory. You dipshits are emotionally invested in a number of things (all which are absurd) so lets see some facts  Obama is a Muslim, Marxist, communist, demon that stole the election with voter fraud. now, if just one of you idiots had a single shred of evidence to support ANY of these claims I’d be in shock

        • hankster6

          BobE DRLJR hankster6 Almagor BobE: I don’t have to prove anything to anyone. If YOU listen to the news on a media that is not liberal, you would have your proof! I know that FOX had the proof. Not sure what other media sources broadcast that sort of negative news. If you had ever listened to Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck, you would have your proof, but you would, no doubt, call them liars, etc. They did their homework before the election and tried to warn everyone, but very few were listening and now, everyone, yes, I said everyone, is paying some sort of price. For one example, my unemployment benefits were cut because of the sequestration that was caused by the fraud living in OUR white house!

        • DRLJR

          BobEDRLJRhankster6AlmagorYou do realize that your very statement proves the statements we have just made. 
          Let’s address Mr Obama since you mentioned him.  Under the US Constitution Mr Obama is not President of the United States.  How can I support that statement?  To be President one must be a natural born citizen or be a citizen at the time the US Constitution was adopted and be at least 35 years of age and been resident in the country for the prior 14 years.  Mr Obama is at least 35 years old and has been a resident of the US for more than 14 years so he meets the last two requirements.  However, Mr Obama was not alive when the US Constitution was adopted so the grandfather clause does not apply.
          So the next question is “Is Mr Obama a natural born citizen?”  If one does the research a natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents who are citizen.  This definition has been referenced by the US Supreme Court numerous times with one of the earliest being “The Venus” and in historical documents.

          So by Mr Obama’s own statements he is not a natural born citizen.  Prior to running for President in 2008 he is on record as claiming to be born in Kenya – now he denies that so lets give him that lie and accept that he was born in Hawaii – even though there is no actual evidence except birth certificates that have been shown to be forged.  Mr Obama has stated his father is a individual named Barrack Hussein Obama who is a citizen of the British Empire and was never a citizen of the US.  So at a minimum Mr Obama can not be natural born citizen since he was not “born of parents who are citizens”.  Thus Mr Obama is not President since he does not meet the requirements.
          Mr Obama is a Marxist who believes in the concept of “Supremacy of the State”.  That can be seen in the actions he engages in.  This can be seen with Mr Obama’s association with members of the Weather Underground and other individuals who are admitted Marxist.  Thus stating Mr Obama is a Marxist or Communist is a valid statement.  The real evidence support the claim.

          Mr Obama, while claiming to be a Christian” does not engage activities that a Christian would do but does engage in activity an Islamic would do.  Thus it is reasonable to believe he is actually an Islamic.  Added that under Islam deception of non-Islamic is acceptable one has further EVIDENCE.  Then add that Mr Obama was trained as a child in Islamic rules and has never renounced his early adoption of Islam is further proof.  Again, logic and evidence show the facts.
          Let’s review the vote fraud.  The places that have reported this vote fraud have reported the number of votes that were cast.  It is also in the public record of how many people were actually registered to vote.  While the big media companies have failed to report these inconsistencies numerous organization have reported the fact citing the actual numbers and locations.  And in the places were these vote inconsistencies occurred Mr Obama is listed as the winner.  When you get more people voting that are registered to exercise the privilege to vote you have vote fraud.  Thus when these places with vote fraud swing the election to Mr Obama Mr Obama “stole” the election. 
          In each of the cases above the information I have stated are based in facts and not emotion.  You are free to try and show the error of the facts and logic.  But you can’t and I would expect you to either ignore the facts, which is typical of the “Left” and people invested in things without facts to support their position, or react with the standard action of the “Left” with name calling and the throwing of insults which you do on a regularly when challenged.  Their is a word for people like this – ideologue.
          Here, for your reference, is the definition from two different on-line dictionaries.

          i·de·o·logue  /ˈīdēəˌlôg/NounAn adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: “a Nazi ideologue”.
          Definition of IDEOLOGUE1 : an impractical idealist : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theorist 2 : an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideology 
          Based upon the your statements (i.e. facts and opinions) you have presented with your writings (facts) you need to grow up and learn to deal with things that challenge you and your views (my opinion based upon facts).  You sound like a spoiled 5 year old (again my opinion based upon facts).

        • hankster6

          DRLJR BobE hankster6 Almagor DRLJR: Wow, I wish I had said that! That was a mouthful, but very well done. I am very impressed! Actually, you could have used many more words, so, you put it in a “nutshell”!

        • DRLJR

          hankster6  Almagor   
          Thank you.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE DRLJR hankster6 Almagor 
          Let’s do a reality check:  Dear Leader has been a Marxist all of his life.  Those are the facts. 
          However, the un-American leftists are in a position where they CAN NOT acknowledge the truth.  If they were to testify under oath, the best they could do is plead the 5th, otherwise they would incriminate themselves. 
          They are the willing idiots of Lenin, aiding and abetting in the progressive’s destruction of America. 
          Bobbie’s post gives proof to his leftist support by relying on the tactics of Marx and Alinsky: 
          Try to discredit those who know the truth by calling them names. 
          Ridicule the truth so that the low-information supporters won’t listen to the truth from the opposition.
          Ignore the fact that the accusations have substance by dismissing the evidence out of hand without offering any factual data to support their defense.
          How’s that comrade Boobie?

        • hankster6

          DRLJR hankster6 Almagor DRLJR: You’re entirely welcome. That, either, took a lot of work, or you have an excellent memory. Perhaps, both!

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine BobE DRLJR hankster6 Almagor Always a Marine: It is hard for me to type, while I am laughing! Well done! You hit the major points just exactly right!

        • Evermyrtle

          Always a Marine BobE DRLJR hankster6 Almagor  
          Very good!!! and while he is involved in all of his/her efforts, proves that he/she is nothing more or less than a complete antichrist fool!!

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR Almagor  My job/hobby requires (both happen to coincide with each other) me to exercise my memory and to use logic.  Otherwise nothing will work correctly.

        • BobE

          hankster6 BobE DRLJR Almagor You’re a dipshit & believe whatever someone tells you to believe. You’re unable to think for yourself. Hannity & Beck are paid political hacks but before you believe ANYONE check for yourself. There is ZERO proof of in person voter fraud PERIOD & REAL proof that it doesn’t exist. If you were bright enough to check fro yourself you would realize that but you & dipshits like you aren’t.

        • BobE

          DRLJR  You are the KING to STUPID!!! I’m not even going to dignify most of your statements with a response but lets just deal with voter fraud. you said “The places that have reported this vote fraud have reported the number of votes that were cast.  It is also in the public record of how many people were actually registered to vote.  While the big media companies have failed to report these inconsistencies numerous organization have reported the fact citing the actual numbers and locations.  And in the places were these vote inconsistencies occurred Mr Obama is listed as the winner.  When you get more people voting that are registered to exercise the privilege to vote you have vote fraud.  Thus when these places with vote fraud swing the election to Mr Obama Mr Obama “stole” the election.”  This is a COMPLETE LIE!!!
          http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE DRLJR hankster6 Almagor 
          Do the uneducated really understand what a Marxist is? If you think that a Marxist could take over our country & the result would be the stock market & corporate profits SOARING TO ALL TIME HIGHS then you may wanna go back & spend a few more years in 9th grade studying economics 101

        • DRLJR

          BobE DRLJR 
           Standard response right out of “Rules for Radicals”.  You really are transparent.  You are a classic Left-Wing ideologue.  Thanks for the humor.  You really can’t handle logic.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE DRLJR 
          Boobie, once again you’re engaged in impossibilities and twisted reality.
          Your response isn’t what would dignify DRLJR’s statement. 
          Based on ontology – you’re incapable of dignifying anything.  you would have to possess dignity in order to reproduce it.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Almagor 
          Apparently you don’t understand English – this has been explained to you numerous times.  Nothing sinks in! 
          Now, you don’t have to accept the truth, but at least you should be able to remember the prior explanations which have been repeated.
          Now, it is made abundantly clear by you and other leftists who defend the Marxism of Dear Leader and the progressive democrats that YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND what’s going on in our country.  Commie Obamie spent his life mentored by Marxists – from childhood to the present.
          Denial, denial, denial doesn’t change the truth.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Almagor 
          Boobie, you answered your own question and identified your educational level.
          You have no clue as to what Marxism is, it’s role in Dear Leader’s life, the common beliefs held by democrats and other communist/socialist governments. 
          And, you’ve definitely showed that you don’t understand the dynamics between this socialist administration and the growth of the stock market.  Evidently you’re too stupid (still on 5th grade economics) to understand that a lot of commies were, and are filthy rich.

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          Always a Marine BobE: Communism is Socialism, is Fascism, only without the private property provisions, and that ONLY at the whim of leaders.
          Communism is basically, “I got mine, and I make sure you never get yours!”
          It will not, and never has worked, because Joe spends 100% of his pay, Bill always saves 10%, and in a few years HE IS a capitalist, who hires Joe to work for him!

        • Always a Marine

          servant Always a Marine BobE
          You’re right – socialism is drawn from the same well as communism.  Communists will even tell you socialism is just a way-stop on the road to total communism.
          There’s no doubt that Russia was communist – but they weren’t mistaken when they took the name Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.  Similarly, the Nazi’s full name was The National Socialist German Workers’ Party.  Furthermore Il Duce’s was a dedicated leftist.
          Boobie and the other historical revisionists want to fool around with phony, technical definitions in their attempt to distance themselves from the leftists/socialists they are.

      • zenock

        hankster6 Almagor Hankster, Bob is controlled by demons that rule him. He hates himself and mankind, and is jealous of God. Bob’s only hope is God’s merciful divine intervention. The holy ghost will not enter an unclean heart. I know this from my own experience. Sin, and ego kept me in the dark for half my life. It was not until I made a conscious effort to avoid sin and submitted/begged Christ for his help that I became a conduit for God’s grace. I was desperate and determined to have God in my life. As much as Bob is to keep Him out of his. 
        I have always been mystified by the “Shroud of Turin” I believe Christ left it and preserved it here for a last hope for unbelievers such as I was. God bless us all, and may God bless America once again.

        • hankster6

          zenock hankster6 Almagor zenock: Good testimony! I also believe the Shroud is real. That is a big reason why it totally baffles non believers! God will bless America, if American believers turn back to Him and pray. I know that God listens to a single person when they pray alone, but numbers get His attention, must faster. When groups pray, or a lot of people pray about a certain thing, God recognizes that there is a special concern. Where two or more are gathered in My name…..

        • BobE

          zenock hankster6 Almagor  I feel sorry for people that believe demons, wizards, warlocks, angels, devils, ghosts, spirits & witches are all around us.

        • zenock

          BobE zenock hankster6 Almagor  Bob science is still in school. You may just learn a few more things as science pulls it’s wobbly knees out of the sand box.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE zenock hankster6 Almagor 
          Dufus, you’re talking about leftists.  As the kool aid crowd abandons rationality and tries to fill their spiritual void they are flocking to ancient religions, paganism, etc. 
          I’m glad you feel sorry for libtards joining covens, hunting for ghosts, consulting mediums, etc.

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine BobE zenock hankster6 Almagor  
          And one thing that is interesting is the “Military Channel” just had a show on about this related to the NAZIs and Germany.   
          The brutality of these pagan beliefs systems was moderated by Christianity and we can the viciousness returning as Christianity and the teachings of Christ /Jehovah are pushed aside.

    • BobE

      Almagor I keep forgetting, The bible doesn’t mean what it says, it says what other people mean.

      • Evermyrtle

        When you see a scorner of GOD or HIS WORD, or HIS SON,, he is in deep trouble, if they do not repent and GOD will not contend always, He will let them go their way to hell if that is what they want. HIS WORD has been spread on these sites by many people  therefore to know is not an option. Scorning of anything concerning GOD is the sneakiness, cowardness  and the most destructive thing, of any action that a wise mind will do.

        2 Peter 3:3-4
        3. This first understand, that there shall come in the last day,” mockers, which will walk after their lusts,
        4. And say, Where is the promise of HIS coming? for since the Fathers died, all thing continue alike from the beginning of the creation.
        5. For this they willingly know not, that the heavens were of old, and the earth that was of the water, and by the water, by the WORD OF GOD.
        Read the rest of this chapter.
        Matt. 27:29 And platted a crown of thrones and put it upon HIS head, and a reed in HIS right hand, and bowed before HIM and mocked HIM, saying GOD  save thee, KING OF THE JEWS.

        • SharonTaylor

          Evermyrtle  Wouldn’t you love to see the look on Bpbe’s face when the Lord tells him his new home is the Lake of Fire?

        • Evermyrtle

          SharonTaylor Evermyrtle Indeed! I can’t even begin to imagine what that look will be.

        • DRLJR

          SharonTaylor Evermyrtle  
          Actually, I don’t think she would.  I suspect she would be sad that he stayed blind to reality and the truth so long.

      • Almagor

        BobE Almagor Usually I don’t respond to your mindless drivel but you suckered me in today. Your comment is so vague and general that I can not be expected to know which of the many things I have written you are referring to. Never have I said anything anywhere that your disconnected sentence might refer to. I would challenge you to specify to which of my comments you are referring to but I have doubts that in your vacuous cranium that you have two neurons that synapses contact each other so I will not be disappointed if you don’t specify what you were talking about.

    • swsather

      Almagor It is true that Jesus never advocated large government social programs.   However, in Acts we read that the faithful sold their property and held all in common and that a couple who held back some of their stuff was struck down by God.   Jesus frequently condemned materialism and greed.    If your rejection of “socialism” is concern that a government of sinful men will not administer funds in an efficient manner, then you are on solid ground.   If you just want to keep your stuff for your selfish purposes, then you are on rocky ground.

      • Always a Marine

        swsather Almagor   This is how I see the events you reference.
        Mishandling of private property by the gov’t is not the basis for the rejection of socialism.  That can’t be construed by the passage in Acts, or any other place in the Bible that I know of.  Socialism violates the principles of our founding that are found in the Bible, namely one: the unalienable right to private property (and others).
        In this passage Peter repeatedly reinforces this truth saying the property of Ananias and Sapphira was theirs.  Additionally, after they sold it, the money was theirs.  Furthermore, it was their right to dispose of it as they wished.  They didn’t have to contribute the proceeds to all of the people gathered from distant places.
        Their sin is explicitly identified – they lied to God the Holy Spirit. 
        Keeping your own private property doesn’t put anyone on “rocky ground.”  Personal property isn’t condemned, rather the concept is identified, supported and defended in the Bible. 
        There was a unique historical event in this place as people were assembled from distant places which created huge logistical needs in order to sustain the visitors – those needs were met spontaneously and voluntarily by the self-sacrifices and generosity of believers.  In no way is this an example of communism/socialism.

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine swsather Almagor Excellent point.  And you are pointing to one of the 3 things still covered by death penalties in the New Testament – lying to God.

        • Emslykarl

          God offered Israel , through His messenger Jeremiah , a simple choice – ” Behold I set before you life or death ; choose life “! It really is no more complicated than that . He is the Source of life ; without the Source , the Generator , there is only darkness that awaits us ; not everlasting torture as the Romanists teach , but eternal darkness , for we remove ourselves from the Light ! To quote Elijah ,
          ” choose you this day who you will serve ; if the Lord be God worship Him ; if Baal be god , serve him . As for me and my house ( family ) we will serve the Lord “! Wise choice – God sent a legion of Angels to carry him home in a flaming chariot ; no one could stop him !

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  Well said! AMEN!

        • BobE

          Always a Marine
          swsather
           Almagor
          There may very well
          simply be an underlying, all-too-human social-psychological process at root,
          one that probably plays itself out among all religious individuals: they see in
          their religion what they want to see, and deny or despise the rest. People look
          at the content of their religious tradition – its teachings, its creeds, its
          prophet’s proclamations – and they basically pick and choose what suits their
          own secular outlook. They see in their faith what they want to see as they live
          their daily lives, and simultaneously ignore the rest. And as is the case for
          most White Evangelical Christians, what they are ignoring is actually the very
          heart and soul of Jesus’s message – a message that emphasizes sharing, not
          greed. Peace-making, not war-mongering. Love, not violence.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine swsather Almagor 
          Earlier I indicated that it was time for you to take your meds.
          Evidently you did – I see you’re suffering the side effect of delusional thinking. 
          Did you get this stuff from “poochie?”

        • Almagor

          Always a Marine swsather Almagor Thank you for responding to my comment. While ideally, government mishandling private property may not be a basis for rejection of Socialism, I believe in the real world it is a one of the reasons for the rejection of Socialism although the ones you mention are better reasons.
          In the real world, Socialism concentrates power in the hands of the Government because of the need for increased government and the concentration of temptation for corruption that Occurs with increased power over others.

        • Almagor

          Emslykarl  If you say there is no everlasting torture what do you do with Matthew 25:4, when Jesus said what would happen to those “who did not do for the least of these”, 25:4 says, “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me you who are cursed, into the, “everlasting fire” prepared for the devil and his demons.” I suppose you mean by Romanists, Catholics? I know the Catholic Church misinterprets some things but not this one. Also, from what I can see, there is no Protestant Church (I’ve known about 25) that doesn’t misinterpret some scriptures for their own benefit.

        • Almagor

          BobE Always a Marine swsather Almagor  Thanks, always a Marine. Yes, I agree. All people, not just religious people have that tendency. Yes, I think most Evangelicals do ignore that. To me, the worst thing some ignore is Jesus instruction to be a doer of the word and not hearers only”; and claim that the Holy Spirit will do internally everything that is needed for them to become better Christians and better people. Since Jesus said whether we go to Heaven or Hell is determined by what we do in this life I fear they are leading some Christians far astray.

        • Always a Marine

          Almagor Always a Marine swsather 
          My comments on reasons for rejecting socialism were limited simply so I could respond to that passage of Scripture.
          Every principle listed in the Declaration, and every aspect of the Constitution are contradicted by socialism.  Proof of that is the dismantling of our liberty, our wealth, representative limited gov’t. and our rights we’re seeing at the hands of Dear Leader and the progressive democrats.
          It would take a long time to list all of the errors of socialism.

      • BobE

        There were no government programs

        • hankster6

          BobE Always A Marine: Although, you are serious, you are coming up with some good humor! I am setting here laughing while I am reading your remarks!

        • Always a Marine

          BobE 
          I think someone farted!

  • JuneGagnon

    We already know liberalism is a “mental defect”, but these pro-abortion nut-jobs are “murderers in disguise”; let me remind them “abortion IS murder” – -that is an “innocent life”, entitled to be born, nurtured and raised to adulthood!  Almost too bad the pro-abortionists were not “aborted before birth”!  But, Jesus said “Suffer the little children to come unto me” and he meant ALL the little children.

    • hankster6

      JuneGagnon In my mind, people who murder babies are evil. People who are evil have no conscience. To rational people, murdering babies is a crime and a sin. To them, it is normal. That is not to say that they could not be saved, but it isn’t very likely. Serial killers have been saved while in prison, so it is possible. Once they have heard about salvation through Christ, I would leave them alone and let the devil has his way. The Bible say to “kick the dust of your shoes and leave”. In other words, they need a kick in the pants to wake up! I the devil doesn’t take their life first, they still have time to wake up and be saved.

    • BobE

      JuneGagnon  Abortion is NOT murder & is legal.

      • TinmanJones

        BobE, it IS murder! Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          TinmanJones I thought the OT was no longer relevant since Jesus was the “new covenant”?

        • Always a Marine

          BobE TinmanJones 
          Now Bob, this has been explained to you about a dozen times.
          Not very quick on the uptake are you? 
          Would a coloring book help?

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine BobE TinmanJones Always a Marine: You have a good idea, but make sure that all the pictures are of Obama or one of his cronies, holding a hammer and cycle, as in the communist symbol.

        • jimhunt

          BobE TinmanJones the old covenant not a testament is still in effect and always has preeminence over the renewed covenant(that new testament to you) neither are testaments as that would make them changable they cannot be added to or taken from that makes them a covenant,and the blood of yeshua  is the blood of the renewed covenant.renewed indicates a continuation of the covenant in jeremiah 31:31-34 and is repeted in hebrews 8:10-13,false religion believes that the torah is no longer in effect and has made it void by there tradition,yeshua made clear if we are to enter in to life we must keep his commandments matthew 19:16-19.—jim hunt

        • hankster6

          jimhunt BobE TinmanJones jimhunt: I am no expert, like you apparently think you are, but I do know that when Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament. It is not longer in effect and is used for reference purposes and examples of how God works. The New Testament is what Christians go by today, period. The only Law that is still applicable is the Ten Commandments. I am sure there will be some input from some of the Scripture scholars that teach in the venue and they are welcome to do so. They will, even, correct me, if I am wrong!

        • TinmanJones

          BobE
                BobE, the new covenant is a spiritual thing.  The OT is totally relevant because it is history.  History allows us to learn from past mistakes–militarily , politically, socially, culturally.  Another thing about history?  It teaches us how ethics have been lost through time, hence, the spiritual state you are in, along with many others.
                 I have no idea if there is someone to “blame”, but you began the current drudgery you are in at some point.  Being in spiritual doldrums lasts only because you accept it and perpetuate it, most likely because it too inconvenient for you to wrap your mind around a Bigger Concept than all the you see around you, because the Bigger Concept, God, actually has some expectations for you besides eat, drink, and be merry.  
               All you want out of anybody posting here is for us to have an open mind about science, etc.  Heck, we already believe in a risen Savior, so how much more open-minded can we be?
               Open your mind, BobE, and investigate the Bible without the inclination to do everything possible in order to prove it is a fallacy, and you will find it is nothing short of the Truth.  (Ask Lee Strobel)  I hope this is possible.  Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          jimhunt BobE TinmanJones Then why aren’t you killing people that work on sunday?

        • Dukhooker

          BobE TinmanJones 
          Last time I checked, Romans wasn’t in the OT, Bob.

        • BobE

          TinmanJones BobE I actually read Lee Strobel’s book “a case for Christ”. All he did was use circular reasoning. His “case for Christ” was made up completely from the bible!  “God is real because the bible says so, and the bible is true because it is the inspired word of God.”

        • DogmaDestroys

          TinmanJones No, it is NOT murder! The Constittution of the United States of America!

        • TinmanJones

          You win because you say so. I win because I say so. Dogmadestroys is right. The US is going down the world’s drain, er, toilet more like, ever since people with religious dogmas have been trying to reduce God to a footnote in America’s heritage and rise to superpower status.
          Anyway, abortion is straight up killing a life, and right now, we have a potUS who is the worst defender of life ever in the Oval Office. Thanks for putting him there, dogma breath!
          Romans 12:12!

        • TinmanJones

          BobE, killing people on Sunday is for some other sect of people. I am glad I had a chance to clear that up for you. Let me know if there is another question muddling up your head space.
          Romans 12:12!

        • TinmanJones

          BobE! Thank you for admitting that “God is real . . . inspired word of God.” Now you are on the right track! You are on your way!
          Romans 12:12!

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          BobE:
          1. “Thou shalt not kill.”
          2. Sunday the FIRST day of the week is a common day men made holy, [in their own minds] 
          3,Saturday, from Friday sunset to Saturday’s sunset IS the Biblical Sabbath Gen.2:1-3!
          It never hurts to read the Good Book, for it does change lives.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE jimhunt TinmanJones 
          Boobie’s words prove that he opened something other than his mind. 
          Fart alert!

        • hankster6

          servant BobE Servant: Why are you still hung up in the Old Testament? Unless you are Jewish. Christians go by the New Testament. We don’t worry so much about which is the first day of the week, we worry about getting to work on time and that, usually, starts on Monday! Which day of the week we worship on is not so important as the actual act of worship. God in not worried about the day of the week, He is worried about How much Glory He is getting from His worshipers. You are hung up on legalisms, which God is not interested in. What matters to him, is what is in your heart, like love for God and the Holy Spirit, as in being saved. If you are not saved. all the above mean nothing to you. You can worry about what day of the week it is, all you want, but you are wasting your time!

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          : Abortion IS MURDER!! it’s a word, that does not appear in the Constitution . Because the not so supreme court, found and created this “Right”, out of thin air, in the Privacy clause.
          IF you my friend have a son or daughter, and you were placed into a situation where YOU had to choose between the life of your wife or child, nut not able to save both, whom would YOU choose!
          Therefore how can any Mother or Mother to be, chose to be so selfish, and kill her child?
          Then you wonder why life is so cheap in our nations these day?
          THINK!
          [email protected]

        • TinmanJones

          Excellent post! Romans12:12!

        • jimhunt

          hankster6 jimhunt BobE TinmanJones

        • hankster6

          jimhunt hankster6 BobE TinmanJones Jimhunt: what is on your mind?

        • jimhunt

          hankster6 jimhunt BobE TinmanJones you have bought in to the same lies that christainity the church has been telling for nineteen hundred years since its inception I to used to believe all of their false doctrine ,till YHWH wised me up and i began to research and study as the book of acts instructed us to in acts 17:10-11 concerning the people of berea who the bible said were noble men why because they did not take pauls word for it nor anyone elses, they checked the scriptures to see if these thing were so.you probably use the scriptures to confirm what you already believe and heard preached just as I did,rather than check it for its truth content,I finely learned better I’m sometimes a little slow but I finely get there.why would yeshua dying on a cross cancel out his fathers commandments the only standard of righteousness we have for righteous holy living and YHWH stated was forever through out your generations,christainity is a lawless(means torahless)false religious system, of that I have no doubt, if studed out properly the new testament is a renewed covenant from jeremiah 31:-31-34 and is mentioned again in hebrews 8:10-13.most christains donot even attempt to keep even the ten commandments much less have them written on the heart ,it is YHWH who causes us to keep his laws,commands,precepts and judgments there are 613 command in torah most are not for us,some are for the priesthood,temple worship,animal sacrafices,which we can still learn from,some for women,some for children,some for care of animals but many are for all of us and deal with our relationship with YHWH and our follow man yeshua said if you love me keep my commandments how did we allow religion to talk us out these—-jim hunt

        • jimhunt

          hankster6 servant BobE the law was given before there were anybody called a jew,they were simply hebew or pagan judah was born sometime later the father of the jewish people.so that doesn’t work.we as believer are to be grafted in to the common wealth of israel romans 11:17-24 the olive tree.gods covenant is with israel not any gentile people or nation,if we inter to the covenant it must by obedience to YHWH’S commandments.the sabbath was first estabished in the beginning of creation genesis 2:1-3 that is why he said remember the seventh day and keep it holy,the only day of the week he said was HOLY(means set apart) it is YHWH”S sabbath he is lord of the sabbath,he has commanded us to rest on that day,not on the first day of the week,it is not legalism. legalism is when we add to or take away from his word through false doctrine and religious tradition.does it matter to him,yes it does matthew 7:23 we will be rejected if are found lawless,our obedience to him is what reveals what is in our hearts,if we truly love him we will honor him and keep his commandments,no man can experience salvation and ignore YHWH’S torah it is confirmed over and over in scripture.—-jim hunt

        • Emslykarl

          Servant , you are correct ; there is no biblical grounds for substituting Sunday for Sabbath . The Catholics take full resonsibilty fo the change in their Catechism ! If you read Exodus 20 in the Catholic Bible , you will notice that they have rearranged the have eliminated the second – ” thou shalt not make unto the any graven images ——– ” , and the split the 6th commandment into two to make up for dropping the 2nd ! The fourth , which in the orginal KJV governs Sabbath observance , becomes the third , and is then abbreviated so as to make it less specific and more general in its content. The reason most Protestant churches worship on Sunday is simply because they all emerged from the Catholic Church after the Reformation , and simply never bothered to address the issue of the change instituted by the Catholics in the 4th Century under the rule of the Emperor of Rome , Constantine .

        • jimhunt

          hankster6 jimhunt BobE TinmanJones yeshua could not have fulfilled the new testament as it did not exist till the early fourth century,four hundred years after messiah,yeshua did not come to bring a new religion but to set thing back in order and reestablish his covenant with his people,yes gentiles are invited to join in with the olive tree ISRAEL as part of his kingdom,but we must keep his rules as always,if we fail to submit our self to YHWH we will be cut off from the olive tree the same as ISRAEL was 27 hundred years ago romans 11:17-22.–jim hunt

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          Emslykarl In 321 A.D. Constantine’ s degree “All shops and work places shall remain open on Saturday, but SUN day is a Feast day, for the Venerable day of the Sun.”
          IN 332 A.D he left for his new  capital. Constantinople {Istanbul Turkey] and handed over all power and Insignia to the then Bishop of the Church in Rome. She also embraced paganism into her self, thinking we will”Christianize” them but they were outnumbered many times to one so paganism became part of her. I.E Sun day worship. Fish mouth Caps, Purple and scarlet colors, prayer beads, and great wealth, entertainment over sermons,++++++.

          It was after the three “Horns” {nations] were uprooted that she became both a civil and a religious power in 538 A.D.
          As we see in Islam, when government and church rule as one persecutions result. Try to become a Christian in any Islamic nation!
          http://[email protected]

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          jimhunt Most Bible Scholars hold that Revelation the Last book written, was done by John at Patmos a prison island just before he died thus AD. 80-85!  Not some 300 A.D. 
          As ALL the 12 would have died some 200+ years before the 4th century.

        • jimhunt

          servant jimhunt what is your point servant,I am simply saying that the new or renewed covenant was not canonized untill the 4th century,yeshua came to fulfill the law(TORAH) and the prophets as he stated in matthew 5:17-20 fulfill does not mean to destroy the law or discontinue the law it means that the requirements of the law(torah)is to be fulfilled in our lives,as well as in his own life keep in mind he was a flesh and blood man same as us the requirements were the same for yeshua as they are for you and me,if he failed to keep his fathers commandments prefectly he would have been disquilified to be the messiah,the bible does not say he fulfilled the new testament but the old covenant.win the book of revelation was written has nothing to do with what I am saying.—jim hunt

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          jimhunt I stand corrected sir. Yes all of the New was written before 100 A.d. and men did NOT canonize it until some two hundred years latter.

        • Emslykarl

          The whole point of the OT dispensation was to reveal God’s character to man ! The God of Israel was a patient , long-suffering God, who bore patiently with Isreal for 1500 years, showing them His and grace , time after time . Hebrews makes it clear that Moses proclaimed the gospel of Jesus Christ to Israel through the Sanctuary system of rituals and sacrifices ; the slain Lamb , without blemish , serving as a type or symbol of the Perfect Lamb of God , slain from the foundation of the world . When Jesus said ” it is finished ” as he was expiring , it signaled the end of this system of worship , and the veil of the Temple was ripped from top to bottom , indicating that type had met antitype , and ushering in the New Covenant , sealed with His blood ! The previous day , Jesus had looked the High Priest in the eye , and said : ” Your House ( Temple ) is left unto you desolate ” , meaning abandoned !

      • Always a Marine

        BobE JuneGagnon
        Let’s try a dictionary definition – as opposed to Booby’s absurd, untruthful denial in order to prop up a bloodthirsty ideology:  liberalism, and the progressive democrat party:
        1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. (like making an appointment to have your baby chopped up and thrown in the garbage)
        Then, as to it being legal – again, Boobie is giving us a phony justification to prop up his bankrupt ideology.  Here, he’s pushing an unconstitutional decision by leftist, activist judges who gave us this law based on their ideology and not the Constitution.
        There is no such thing in the Constitution as a “right to privacy” and there’s no logic to twist the manufactured “right” of privacy into a right to kill babies.
        Leftist SCOTUS justices at one time said that blacks were “legally” property. 
        Now, here, lefties (like Boobie) rely on an unethical, subversive judge to provide cover for them by claiming that the most immoral act man can conceive is “legal.”

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon You may or may not agree with the laws of our land & if not you’re free to pack your bags & leave.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon 
          Boobie,
          I helped protect that freedom, served my country in Vietnam, in S. America, Central America, the Caribbean and at home. 
          I still honor my oath to protect and defend the Constitution.  I plan on continuing to do that here at home, probably against our domestic enemies.
          Did you serve?  Did you put yourself in danger to defend the Constitution?

        • nighthunter

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon 
          As a vet, I too, served to protect our great country. However, as a biologist, I can tell you that life is not “created” at conception, nor is it “created” at birth, but as both sperm cells and egg cells are living, it simply combines and continues. As a historian, however, I also recognize that the traditional view, upon which the English common law and our own United States laws are based upon, determined that ‘life” was considered to begin at birth. (One of the reasons your age is counted from birth, not from conception.)  Which means that current law allows abortions, which -by definition- means that they are NOT murders.Among other reasons, the continuance of the “life begins at birth” legal stance, is the historical, and continuing problem of still births and spontaneous abortions from no medically apparent reason.  Ultimately, MY viewpoint on the whole matter is that GOVERNMENT should NOT be determining what should properly be a decision solely between a physician and patient.

        • Always a Marine

          nighthunter Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon
          Thank you for your service.
          I’ll disagree with your biology and your history.  I’ll bypass “common law” and rest my beliefs in natural law and theology.
          Neither biology nor history can tell us when life begins.  As you say, the cells combine and continue, but you can’t address the issue of personhood.  We are more than biology!
          Similarly, I think this is one place where the gov’t should be involved.  Uniformly, law forbids and punishes murder.  Abortion should be prohibited and punished.

        • TinmanJones

          nighthunter Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon
                  nighthunter, thanks to you and Always a Marine both for protecting our country.  That is an envy I have–that I cannot say that I ever wore the uniform to defend the US–of you two and all the men/women who served.
                 I cannot understand, though, how a biologist would reason that life does not begin at conception.  Your explanation that sperm and egg simply “combine and continue” makes me wonder if you got your degree from the University of Bat Guano.  
                This is similar to the evolution debate that has been waging.  An inordinate amount of science profs convened to agree that “This is what we are going to teach the world,” and thus they indoctrinated thousands to believe such as you.  Hopefully, the split is at least 50/50 among modern biologists.  
               Once again, a case where science has overstepped its boundaries to make an act ordained by God’s hand to seem as just another humanistic explanation to make populations more copious in certain countries in the world.  Many people don’t appreciate the miracle nature of the birth of a child that is equal parts mom and dad.
                Well, nighthunter, just calling a spade a spade in this message. 
                Romans 12:12!

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon You obviously do not understand how our government works but when the Supreme Court says something is legal it’s legal. It’s just that simple.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine nighthunter BobE JuneGagnon  You have zero education in biology but claim to know more about biology than a biologist?

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon No, I didn’t but so what? Do you think that just because you were in the service you’re somehow more patriotic than those that were not in the service?

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine nighthunter JuneGagnon 
          Now, here’s where you go off the track again into liberal la la land.
          You don’t know how much biology I’ve studied.  I’ll tell you, your claim is bogus.
          Nowhere did I claim to know more about biology than the man who posted his opinion.  But, I know truth from error.
          Behind your post you reveal that liberal pathology – find an “expert” and listen to them, and whatever you do, don’t think for yourself.  Bow down to science whether it is right or wrong – it’s the god of the left.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon 
          Well, I’m not surprised that you didn’t serve. 
          You question is an insinuation and a projection (more typical leftist B.S.)  An attempt to make attribute a position I don’t hold.
          I never said you weren’t a patriot unless you served.
          But, there are a lot of people who won’t serve because they’re not patriots.  They follow Marx and don’t believe in defending liberty.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon 
          I don’t think I was arguing whether something was “legal.”  You obviously don’t understand how the English language works.
          I believe I addressed the issue of Constitutionality.  I’ll go head to head with you any day on “how the gov’t works.” 
          We could even play on your terms, and have a quiz in your wheelhouse, say “The Communist Manifesto” or “Rules for Radicals.”

        • zenock

          nighthunter Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon Combines and continues……Hummm sounds scientific. So are you still combining and continuing? Nighthunter, Your screen name is appropriate for the post I’ll say that much. Biologist my arse.

        • swsather

          BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon Yes and no.  When the Supreme Court announces an interpretation of the law, that interpretation is binding unless they modify or overrule their prior ruling.   Additionally, the Constitution can be amended to overrule a Supreme Court ruling.

        • SharonTaylor

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon  Semper Fi Marine. Thank you for  your service.

        • DRLJR

          swsather BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon Actually, Congress could pass a law and the President sign under the provisions of Article 3 telling the Supreme Court they have erred and reverse the ruling.

        • swsather

          DRLJR swsather BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon They could but it wouldn’t be binding.

        • cajunliberty7

          DRLJR swsather BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon
          Numerous Supreme Court decisions were wrong headed, egregious and even onerous, not the least of which was Dred Scott in 1857, upholding the obnoxious Fugitive Slave Act. The language of Chief Justice Roger B. Taney was atrocious coming from anyone—let alone a member of the Supreme Court. It was beyond racism, totally devoid of humanity.
          Blacks were “an inferior order and altogether unfit to associate with the white race,” Taney wrote. “They had no rights that the white man was bound to respect.” Moreover: “The Negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his own benefit.” They were not citizens and could not claim the “rights and privileges” of citizenship even if their masters took them to free states.
          Other wrongheaded decisions by SCOTUS, according to many was inventing a new right, not enumerated in the Constitution, the right of privacy for a woman and coming up with the poorly adjudicated Roe v. Wade. 
          DRLJR, as you posted it is up to Congress and the President to right the wrongs of SCOTUS and may I add, up to the people to right the wrongs of Congress and POTUS via fair elections.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine JuneGagnon
          Boobie, An additional word to explain why I asked you if you served.  I did so because I wanted to confirm what I suspected because of the post you made earlier in which you disparaged my service.
          I knew that you hadn’t served because those who have served their country respect others’ service.  You showed great disrespect.
          Marines EARN the right to the title, as I have and that title was conferred on me by my drill instructors who served their country in battle – my senior D.I. was a decorated hero in Korea – so I cherish his evaluation and opinion when he addressed me as “Marine.”  Your opinion compared to those who served and risked their life to fight for liberty is less than meaningless.
          Now, your confirmation that you didn’t feel it necessary to pay the debt you owe to your country by serving comes as no surprise.  You’re like so many who never got in the game, but have a lot to say about how it should be run.
          Going back to my time during the Vietnam War, I ran into your type – liberals who not only disparaged the military (as leftist historically have done – even to today) but gave aid and comfort to the communist enemy. 
          Again, going back to my time, if you said that to my face, you would have been picking your sorry, socialist butt off the ground.  That would still be the case today.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnonAlways a Marine: I am right beside you: I retired from the Navy; Also Viet Nam vet: Well said and THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE! I have often said that liberals have a mental disorder and I believe that BobE proves that every time he opens his mouth.

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          BobE: OK then can we take it, that you agree with it’s 1854’s decision that Blacks where only 4/5th of a human being?
          That was it’s sorriest moment!

          There is NOTHING supreme about this court, only GOD is so, men are just human, thus fallible..

        • Always a Marine

          TinmanJones nighthunter Always a Marine BobE JuneGagnon 
          On target Tinman

        • PatriotGunny

          Always a Marine nighthunter BobE JuneGagnon hmmm…here is a thought. When does someone die? Is it not when the heart stops beating? Well then, dismembering
          alive (with heartbeat) a baby girl in her mother’s womb would be wicked. Evil – objective,
          absolute evil – every time and without exception.

        • PatriotGunny

          Always a Marine nighthunter BobE JuneGagnon “Neither biology nor history can tell us when life begins” …however, we all can agree that life ends when the heartbeat stops. So, how do you justify dismembering
          alive (with heartbeat), a baby girl in her mother’s womb? That’s wicked. That’s evil – objective,
          absolute evil – every time and without exception.

        • hankster6

          PatriotGunny Always a Marine nighthunter BobE JuneGagnon PatriotGunny: I believe that would be classified as MURDER, no exceptions. In fact it would be torture, beyond belief, then murder. Our irrational government people, no, I didn’t call them leaders, don’t believe in torturing terrorists to get information from them, but they will torture and murder a baby to get it out of a mother’s body. A person has to be evil do torture and murder a baby. Evil has no conscience!

      • zenock

        BobE JuneGagnon Bob your like one of those people in the experiment, who will electrocute another person because the esteemed professor says to do it….
        Few It’s legal, so it ok to bob. Bob your showing your character

        • hankster6

          zenock BobE JuneGagnon  zencok:  If I may, to make your remarks easier to read: “you’re” instead of “your”, “Few”, I just don’t know what you mean. “so, it “is” OK, Not meant to insult, just to bring to your attention.

        • zenock

          hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  to bad you can’t edit these post. I don’t what happened but I saw it after I posted it…
          So a few people “the supreme court” say it’s arbortion is not murder and it’s ok.
          They did leave it open ended because they could not determine when life actually began.

        • hankster6

          zenock hankster6 BobE JuneGagnon zenock: You might try my method. After I make my remarks, I try to remember to read what I have written. I also make mistakes as most do when they are typing. I try to correct my mistakes before I post. I might miss one now and then, but I catch most. Plus my computer is set to show me if I misspell a word. I am not the smartest guy on the planet and making mistakes does not help me look very smart. I need all the help I can get. Evil people are even on our famous supreme court. That includes anyone who believes that killing a living baby is not murder. Evil people, who make such decisions will be answering to God one day, whether they believe it or not. I tell some people that just because that think I am wrong, does not make them right! I just might be right. I have my own thinking about when a baby becomes a living human. Considering that adoption is available, there is no good reason for abortion, unless the mother’s life is in danger. If the baby is already alive, in the womb, they can take the baby out. Abortion may have to be done, but only in extreme cases. In my mind. there is always a way to avoid it, if decent people are involved. If evil people are involved, the abortion will go forward.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  
          The only legitimate grounds for an abortion in reality is an ectopic pregnancy.  And to my knowledge those are rare. That will kill both the mother and child.  
          Considering that a pregnancy does not occur immediately after sexual intercourse means that one had to ignore one’s behavior/actions both before and after sexual  intercourse.  A women will not become pregnant, based upon real science, for around 24 to 48 hours, after the fertilization of the egg by the sperm and even then there is no guarantee since the conditions in the uterus may not allow for implantation – that is pregnancy.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon 
          Needed perspectives.

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  Thanks, but you are wasting time, as the liberal-progressive mind is filled to the brim with slogans and talking points, all floating in the Kool-Aid!
          http://www.longlifechoices.blogpsot.com
          http://www.blbn.org

          aid.

        • DRLJR

          servant DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  
          Remember, when writing comments or responses one must consider that their are others reading who may not be writing or responding to postings.  So when posting one must always remember the non-posting audience as well and insure information is properly presented for their edification as well.

        • Emslykarl

          As abhorrent as abortion is , it is really symptom of the moral decline of our society , beginning with the postwar industrial revolution , gaining momentum in the 60s movement , and accelerating since then at breakneck speed ! No generation can not pass on to the next that which it does not itself have -a high standard of moral conduct . There you go. !

        • Evermyrtle

          DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon When the sperm hits the egg that is a life created by GOD.

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  Very well said. A person or organization can not pass on what they do not have! A lot of parents are also guilty! If we could plug in Morals 101 into an app so that the teens could download that app, I wonder if they would be interested.

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon Evermyrtle: The big difference between a baby being born today and Christ birth is that He had to have perfect blood. No male was involved. Only Mary and the Holy Spirit. My point is that a birth today is still a miracle, just not a the greatest miracle that ever happened!

        • Emslykarl

          Thanks for the correction ; my phone rang while re-reading my post . But you got it , fortunately .

        • Emslykarl

          Much of the responsibility for the casual attitude towards abortion in recent years , which has led to a dramatic increase in abortions in recent years , must be placed on the backs of politicians who pander to female voters , and to leaders of the pro-abortionist movement . Politicians for the most part care far more about votes than they do about unwed mothers or the children they produce ; it sounds cynical , but it’s the truth ! Their hypocrisy is evidenced by the fact that are forever using

        • zenock

          hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  I’m with you Hank,. good comment. Was in the Air force, just  9 miles south of Cambodia when abortion became legal. I remember feeling disbelief and a deep sense of loss of patriotism.

        • hankster6

          zenock hankster6 BobE JuneGagnon zennock: Thanks. I have a hard time staying patriotic nowadays, but I remind myself of two things. First, just because Obama is in power, the American people have not changed. They still love America. It is just a matter of getting rid of the evil that resides in OUR white house. Second, God is still in control of His world. If Americans don’t turn back to God, I hate to see what the result will be. If Americans turn back to God, He promised to heal our land, etc. That will require a lot of prays from a lot of people to get God’s attention. Otherwise, our congress will have to take action against that evil and, so far, that is not happening.

        • zenock

          hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon. Hank, wish I could share your optimism, hope your right. The children are our hope, right?…..I don’t see it happening.

        • cajunliberty7

          zenock hankster6 JuneGagnon
          I have to believe and work as hard as I am able to bring it about…my second great grandchild was just born and I have to help deliver to her the great America that I was born into.

        • DRLJR

          Evermyrtle DRLJR hankster6 zenock BobE JuneGagnon  
          I am not talking about when life starts but when a pregnancy occurs and that life will actually survive.  If implantation does not occur then the child will never grow or survive. The child will die a natural death since the implantation never occurred and child passes out of the mother’s body.  Remember, many things can prevent a pregnancy from occurring – scaring from abortions or infections, the normal cycle of woman’s biology,  etc.

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          hankster6: True much prayer is needed but……>
           Colossians 1:16-17  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
          Personally I can’t think of a better way for our Father, to get the attentions of a secular world, other than a collective kick in our wallets, can you? 
           2 Timothy 3:1-6  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
          we R near the end my friends, read your news and see all of the above actions take place each day! Note the VS 6 and think 
          Abortions, and Texas!

  • swsather

    That is unbiblical nonsense.   See Jesus comments about the Jews whose blood was mixed with their sacrifices and the people who died when the tower at Siloam fell on them.    If your theory were true, you would not have Christians starving in South Sudan or Haiti.

  • Emslykarl

    So are those who are ” in Christ ” ! By faith we are everything that He is ; in reality we must wait until ” He comes in power and great glory, and all the holy Angels with Him ” . Until then , ” the just shall live by faith “!

    • BobE

      Emslykarl  Just don’t hold your breath. He told his followers he would return in “their generation” & that was 2,000 years ago!!!

      • Always a Marine

        BobE Emslykarl  
        Ignorance know no bounds and deception is keeping pace with that.

        • BobE

          You can say that again!

        • hankster6

          BobE It would be nice if you type in the name of the person that you are responding to, so that the rest of us don’t have to look it up. You don’t even recognize when someone is referring to you!

      • jimhunt

        BobE Emslykarl  wrong guys ,he said in matthew 23:39 he would not return ,till ye shall say,blessed is he that cometh in the name of YHWH,he will return in his time at the end of this age and not before.doesn’t madder what religion says or thinks about it.–jim hunt

  • Emslykarl

    BobE , here’s my suggestion ; make a list of all the questions you want mortal men to answer , and then when you see God , ask Him ! Where do you think all the innocent people go that are blown to bits by Muslims ? Ask Him that too !

  • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

    BobE: I’ll let the word of GOD do my talking.
    Psalms 53:1  <<To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
    Isaiah 57:21  There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

  • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

    6 Survivor:  I agree:
    Ephesians 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    Words do have specific meanings, this is from the KJB.  and the high places are on earth not in Heaven, although that were sin began Rev.12 and Isa 14:12-14.
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  • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

    mslykarl: YES! But let’s dig deeper….>
    Ecclesiastes 10:2  A wise man’s <chakam> heart <leb> is at his right hand <yamiyn>; but a fool’s <k@ciyl> heart <leb> at his left <s@mo’wl>.
    Ecclesiastes 10:2  A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left.
    What the above tells all with a Strong’ s Concordance, is simply the left hand is NORTH, as in the the King of the North, sitting in Rome = 2 Thess.2: 1-12.
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  • Emslykarl

    Fair question , Almagor . The short answer us that ” the wages of sin is death ” -Rom.6:23 , not everlasting torture ! Every doctrine in scripture must be seen in the context of the gospel . No exceptions ! A thorough study of the biblical view of the ultimate fate of those who reject God’s grace , is eternal separation from God ! The theological term is the doctrine of Anihilation ! The doctrine of everlasting torture , presupposes immortality , and Paul states emphatically that ” God alone hath immortality “! If you think of ” everlasting ” in terms of the permanence of the outcome , rather than the duration of the punishment per se, the texts referring to “everlasting fire ” will make more sense , and creates no tension with a God who describes Himself to Moses as ” Abundant in mercy and truth ; slow to anger ; unwilling that any should perish —- ” , and Who ” emptied Himself ” to save sinful man ! Otherwise you are impugning His character and placing Him in the same category as Hitler and Stalin ! How can that be ?

  • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

    Communism is Socialism, is Fascism in all phases without any private property allowed.
    Communism will not, nor ever has worked, WHY?
    Joe spends 100% of his pay, but Bill always put 10% away, and in a few years he, as capitalist,  hires Joe to work for him!

  • Emslykarl

    Always a Marine , it’s a matter of historical record that Hitler was a great admirer of George Sorel , the godfather of modern Fascism , who invented the idea of the myth : “any idea that can be imposed on the masses , by force if necessary , is both true and good “! Enough said . Consider Obamacare !

    • TinmanJones

      Yes, and don’t forget that our masses live in urban areas where they are stacked on top of each other and the only thing a lot of them care about is making it to the next day, paycheck, or whatever. With all that people are concerned with in such places, they have little time to consider the nuts and bolts of the diabolical policies that our forked-tonged elected officials try to cram down our throats. Most of the masses have no constitutional conscience at all, so they simply assume the gov’t is doing everything in their favor, when in actuality the gov’t is stripping them of their rights while handing over the keys to our once proud nation to our terrorist and/or communist enemies. Oh, our pathetic huddled masses. . . . Romans 12:12!

      • Emslykarl

        Tinman , I was in the healthcare industry for 50 years , and I can tell you that most Americans have no clue just how bad Obamacare will become , once it is fully implemented ! Remember Sarah Palin warning about ” death panels “? It may not been the most polically discrete way to state the truth , but it is the truth nonetheless ! The panel of 15 Beaurocrats that will determine what treatment(s) will or will not be approved , will make the decision based on an economic formula : cost of care devided by life expectancy

        • TinmanJones

          Aren’t some other countries like Great Britain using death panels? I remember Palin bringing this up a while back. Just plain disturbing and sad. Romans 12:12!

        • Always a Marine

          Emslykarl  
          The reality of death panels is a forgone conclusion.  The lefties don’t like it, but they don’t want to face reality.  After all, they already have their abortion mills going full blast – 66 million and counting.  Damn, Hitler was a piker compared to the democrats.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine Emslykarl  Always a Marine; There has already been a small child who would have died if a judge had not overruled the “death panel” (one very evil woman), who said no to the child going on an adult list for a lung transplant!! The judge said yes and the child is alive, thanks to the judge! Obama and his thugs are as evil as anyone can be!

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Remember Hitler praised Margaret Sanger and the Progressives who have taken over the Democratic Party and actively working to take over the Republican Party.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Exactly right – it was a mutual admiration society. 
          They had “their song” back then:  “Fifty Ways to Lose Your Lover” – abortion for blacks, gas for Jews, bullets for Gypsies, etc.
          Those lefties are so creative. . .

        • Emslykarl

          Great point , DRLJR , it’s the dirty little secret of the Left ! Margaret Sanger was the ” darling ” of the Eugenics advocates , including Hitler . Sanger saw abortion as the most expedient way to ” cleanse ” the population of ” undesirables ” ! You can draw your own conclusions about just who comprised this category of women . Abortion was all about ” cleansing ” American culture , it was never about compassion for vulnerable women that had made poor life choices and needed help ; that image of Sanger has been carefully crafted by Progressives and Feminists since the 1960s , and today she is treated as a Pioneer who championed the rights of women to ” control their own bodies ” , no matter how many lives have to be sacrificed on that altar ! That’s the sad truth ; historical truth !

        • Emslykarl

          Yes, Tinman , they are just not called by that name . What it consists of is a panel of Beaurocrats whose sole job is to approve or disapprove treatment , using an actuarial formula to determine the relative value of the procedure . An example would be a 70 year old woman with a 5 year life expectancy , that is a candidate for hip replacement surgery ; this would be denied by the panel because the cost to benefit formula says NO ! That’s it . There are no deviations from that formula . Americans can expect exactly the same practice when the AHCA is fully implemented . The choice of the term ” death panel ” was a deliberate attempt by Palin to draw attention to the stark reality of the law !

        • Emslykarl

          Hankster , that’s a perfect case to illustrate the attitude of the Beaurocrats who will call all the shots , so to speak , about your fate and mine. The ruling is totally impersonal , because an established , arbitrary, mathematical formula determines every ruling , and they think of each case as a numerical value and nothing more , nothing less ! They are forced to keep it impersonal or they could not look themselves in the mirror if they saw each ruling as a person being impacted !

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  Yes, I understand what you are saying, but there is no panel! I forget her name, just now, but she has made other insane decisions as well. This one, with the child, just showed me how evil she is and if there had been others on the board that agreed with her, they would be just as evil! Of course, it is impossible for us to think the way she does, because we are not evil. I don’t care how much math is involved This is pure evil and insanity. I am glad that God will have His way with her, but for the future, other children and adults face the same treatment, if there are too young or too old!

        • swsather

          Emslykarl  Some evidence please.   I am pretty sure this contention has been proven to be made up.

        • Always a Marine

          Emslykarl  
          I’m not sure about this being all that “impersonal.”  The IRS showed that they can put a “face” on their persecution.
          That “face” is the face of those who value the Constitution and are identified as “patriots.”  That puts you on the hit list!

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine Emslykarl  Always a Maine: Here is how I think about this situation. Not that I was addressed.  Until Obama is out of office, if ever, I pretend that I am living under communist rule, which means, that I must watch every word I write or say, and who I am communicating with. On the internet, I try to be careful. I know most of the target words and try not to use them. The last thing I need is the spy’s looking at what I write or listening to what I say because I don’t like being politically correct. While the fraud is in our white house, we must be careful. I trust rattlesnakes before I trust him and his spy’s. Remember, he wants America to be like communist Russia and his spy agencies are and have been doing the same thing that the communist spy’s do, without us even knowing about it!

        • DRLJR

          hankster6Always a MarineEmslykarl  
          Then you are doing exactly what the Marxists/Progressives want – caving in to them by allowing them to control the conversation.  When writing or speaking, write and speak the truth using words accurately.  Use facts and fact based opinion.   In short – “put your money where your mouth is” – as the cliques states.  Based upon what you wrote you are doing what people like Mr Obama want – not speaking up in a clear and concise manner.

          For instance, Mr Obama is not President under the US Constitution and thus I never refer to him as President.  If the conversation comes up I point out the facts.  His father precludes him from being a natural born citizen and thus he is not and never was eligible to be President.  Which also means everything he has done is null and void.  I also point out the it was Hillary Clinton that originally challenged his eligibility to serve as President.  But if I am quiet about it then he is getting away with treason, sedition and a coup.  
          Think about Egypt.  If the Army had not removed the Muslim Brotherhood the Egyptian people would have been re-enslaved with a dictatorship worse than anything they have seen in close to 1500 years.  The coup was being done by the Muslim Brotherhood through the election process and the Army put a stop to it.  Consider this quote:
          “When democracy granted democratic methods to us in times of opposition, this was bound to happen in a democratic system.  However, we National Socialists
          never asserted that we represented a democratic point of view, but we have declared openly that we used the democratic methods only to gain power and that, after assuming the power, we would deny to our adversaries without an consideration the means which were granted to us in times of our opposition.  — Josef Goebbels” 
          (notice the parallel to what is happening in Egypt) or this one
          “What luck for the rulers that men do not think. — Adolph Hitler”
          It is always important to write accurately and not be afraid to put the facts and truths out there with the correct words.  Those who seek to enslave and control us, are not going to play by the rules.  Thus if you do call them out they will undermine you.  While in Russia the Communist seized power in a bloody war (remember they overthrew a nascent democracy), the NAZI took power in Germany through the ballot box.  Which do you think is being done here in the US?  The Progressives/Left actively use deception and slight-of-hand to accomplish their goals.

          This is one reason we have so many problems today.  The Progressives/Left took two steps forward and when the people called them on their actions they only took one step back.  The people failed to push them back all the way.  So Left advances their agenda and the people suffer.
          Write accurately calling things what they are.  As the saying goes “Call a spade a spade.”  They key is don’t react to the Progressives/Left name calling and diatribes.  Just re-iterate the facts in a calm and even-handed fashion.  When they do not get the reaction they want they will explode in diatribe and name calling as has been seen on this and other blogs. 

          The Progressives/Left do not operate using reason, facts or logic.  They operate on emotion without a factual or logical foundation.  Think of the word “ideologue”,  and how an ideologue when challenged eventually implode since they do not have a real foundation for their beliefs or emotions.  Remember your audience and the fact that others may be reading and not posting.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  DRLJR: I understand what you are saying. I get my points across without going into a lot of detail. You make excellent points and tell the truth. I appreciate that. My remark are short, with as few words as possible because I don’t always remember all  the details, as you do. I also don’t call Obama president, in fact I call him “fraud” or just the person living in OUR white house. I appreciate your facts, but my remarks will always be much shorter and to the point. I tell what I know to be true. Yes, I am scared that they are going to take away our rights. In my mind, they are already spying on us as they do in communist Russia. Obama is a danger to America, it’s people, it’s military, it’s jobs, and it’s security. If that is not like communist Russian, then I will stand corrected. I have friends that used to live in communist Russia. They are still scared to talk or ask questions and are suspicious of everyone. I don’t want to be that way, but until our administration changes, I don’t feel comfortable. What am I supposed to feel like when we have nothing but liars and crooks in charge. I don’t trust any of them. Trust is earned, not demanded.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl
          Like you, I cannot render him the honor of referring to the subversive community organizer as president. 
          I use “Dear Leader” or “The Tyrant” – terms appropriate to Marxist leaders.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl  Always a Marine: Very good. I will put those on my list of easy terms. Very appropriate! If that don’t make the left mad, I don’t know what will!

        • Always a Marine

          hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Hank, I feel as you do with one exception – I don’t feel that I have to pretend.  As I see it, the tyranny is in force and growing.  There is nothing “American” about Dear Leader and his party of progressives.
          Now, I’ll confess that you undoubtedly are wiser than I am as it relates to guarding your language.  As for me, perhaps it’s my nature, but I’m so angry at what has happened to our country and our freedoms, I chose to spit in the tyrants’ eyes.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  Always a Marine: There is a short story that I would like to tell you, but not in this format. I have not idea if this format is being monitored or not and what I would like to tell you is not for everyone’s eyes or ears. Believe me, if I thought I could stay out of jail and out of a mental hospital, I would be right beside you when you spit in their eyes. I have a thing about being free and don’t like the idea of bars in front of my eyes, if you get my drift. What Dear Leader is doing, secretly, scares me more than anything else. Putting the coal miners out of business really burns me. There is no need to punish whole families and whole businesses, but he is. He is one sick (mentally) puppy. If anyone needs to be in a mental hospital……

        • glorimom

          DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl    Amen!

        • Always a Marine

          hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Hank, you’re speaking to the reality of Dear Leader’s “change.”  It’s something Americans haven’t had to do – look over your shoulder when talking to a fellow American.
          Kind of like they had to do in Berlin looking for any lurking Stassi.
          I’d like to hear that story sometime Hank – sit down together and have a beer, coffee or iced tea and talk.

        • hankster6

          glorimom DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  glorimom: May we know who you are responding to , please.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl   
          It is also important to remember that environment has existed in Russia since Ivan the Terrible (i.e. the first Czar).  And when the next to last Czar tried to give the people a better environment he was assassinated by the rich spoiled brats who decided to be revolutionaries.  
          The beat up a homeless man and when the Czar came back in his carriage he stopped and got out to help the man.  The revolutionaries then blew the homeless man and the Czar up.  
          And yes – I do my best to learn the real histories :-)

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl   
          I use “Mr Obama” since that does not give a person an excuse to reject my statements with false claims of bias or the excuse I am “this or that”.  And yes – it will frustrate them when the can find a reason to reject the facts.

        • jojac

          hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          You guys have a good discussion going, keep it up. But I think the better description is “he is one evil puppy”.  he is opposed to everything that is sacred and righteous. he has a  terrible harvest to reap down the line.  he is building the very gallows that he himself will hang on.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  
          I understand your perspective and don’t fault you for it.
          As for me, I gave up a long time ago on “not giving an excuse to reject my statements.”  The reason being, lefties don’t need an excuse and just reject truth out of hand – not because of any offense, or who says it, simply because they have an investment of their ego in the lie. 
          They’ll defend their ideology and propaganda no matter how overwhelming the truth is, or who states it.  I’ll give an example – look at the reactions of the progressives on these pages to the Words of Truth from Jesus. 
          So now, as an old Marine, I’m tired and P.O.’d at the destruction of our country by the left and don’t hesitate to tell the truth to the un-American, anti-American Marxists of the democrat party.

        • jojac

          hankster6 glorimom DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          hankster6,  when a person replies, the first name that shows up on their reply is the primary one that they are responding to ,  They may also be replying  to all the names that show up  too, but   If they are responding to a specific statement that someone said, then they  should reference the actual statement, or else list the persons name that they are replying to.  
          Because the reply  shows more than the one being replied to directly, it does leave one in question, as you indicate.  Your request is a good one.

        • DRLJR

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl  
          I agree with you in relation to the Left, Progressives and ideologues.  But when commenting it is important to remember that for every individual posting there is probably 10 or more people reading who are not posting.  It is important to remember the hidden audience.  It is important to be the light on the hill.  We must always remember that important teaching from Christ.  We must always be the teacher letting Christ’s wisdom shine through us.

        • Evermyrtle

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl
          Very well, said, Marine.

        • hankster6

          jojac hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  jojac: You are saying the same things that we are, only, using different words, which is correct, as well. He may be building his own gallows but I don’t care to have him dead, just out of office. I don’t hate the man, I hate his policies. I happen to love the very place that he is destroying. America! As long as he is removed, in some fashion from OUR white house, I will be happy! He is, absolutely, evil, as is his cronies!

        • jojac

          hankster6 jojac Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          hankster, I agree with you.  Our prayers should be, in fact God expects us to pray that he change his attitude about Jesus Christ and accept Him as his Lord and Savior and be saved.  One can repent  of his sin, but he still has to reap the harvest that he has sown.  Lets hope he reaps that harvest before he dies.   God knows what it will take to get a particular person to repent, so my prayer is that God do whatever it takes to get him to repent.  That could be asking for some terrible suffering and loss, but  regardless of what it takes, that will be better than going to Hell.

        • hankster6

          jojac hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  jojac: I happen to believe that if Dear Leader accepted Christ, for real, all bad stuff that he has done, He would also cause that stuff to be corrected. Yes, it would take a while, but I can assure you, there are people there right now who would reverse most of the bad decision that have been made. God is in the miracle working business, but it has to be within His will. If the American people do not turn back to God and start living the way He wants them to all of us will be in for some tough times. Once a person is saved, he does not have to worry about the punishment for his sins. Once God forgives them, they are gone. If that person has committed crimes, yes, he will have to pay the price for those, unless that person makes it public that he is now saved, ask for forgiveness and goes from there. Americans are a very forgiving people once they know a person is sincere.

        • glorimom

          hankster6 glorimom DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl I am sorry ..that Amen was directed to DRLJM ‘s previous post.

        • zenock

          hankster6 jojac Always a Marine Emslykarl  , Hank , so glad to see the fire in your words.

        • TinmanJones

          Thanks, Emslykarl, for your explanation! I hope many, many others will see the direction things are headed and rise up to suppress the Animal Farm nature that our political machine has become. Romans 12:12!

        • swsather

          hankster6 jojac Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          You will have to wait three more years for that.

        • swsather

          Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  I find it humorous that you don’t see the irony in being able to exercise your First Amendment freedoms to complain about so-called tyranny.   If we lived in a country where tyranny held sway, you would not be able to speak so freely.

        • swsather

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl  Then you are disrespectful to the country that elected him president–twice.

        • swsather

          Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl  
          When I was an economics student, the definition of socialism (of which Marxism is a variant) was the government owning the means of production.   That has not happened in any way, shape or form in this country.

        • swsather

          hankster6 DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl  This is most certainly not like Communist Russia.   You do a disservice to everyone who has ever suffered under a totalitarian regime when you make comparisons that have no basis in reality.

        • swsather

          DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          You say that the left does not operate using reason, facts or logic.  However, you are guilty of the exact same thing.   You claim that the President is not the President when the claim that he was born in Kenya has been so thoroughly refuted that it is not open to debate any more.   The fact is that you don’t like the fact that you cannot impose your views on the American people.   You are a would be dictator.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl  
          I’m glad that the definition you learned as an economics student has served to shield you from the bad, bad, bad, cruel reality of who and what Dear Leader is and the political philosophy of the socialist democrats is.
          If you were in touch with reality you’d realize that CommieCare is socialistic through and through.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather hankster6 DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Have you ever lived in a Commie country? 
          Your remarks seem so out of synch with many, many people who escaped the harsh reality of communism (vs. the classroom definition of a liberal professor).  They all say “wake up America, you’re being swallowed by tyranny.”  They recognize tyrants when they see them.
          You do a disservice to everyone who has escaped the kind of gov’t that denies individual rights, and has raised the warning to sleeping, brainwashed followers of Dear Leader.

        • Emslykarl

          Hankster , I respectfully disagree that there is no panel . How else , or who, do you suppose will make the final determination to approve or disapprove care ? I confess I have not read the AHCA law myself ; however it has been extensively reported , and discussed in the media , and the Law simply can not be effectively applied without such a mechanism . In every society where government administers healthcare , a ” panel ” of Beaurocrats is always empowered to make the final decision about paying , or refusing to pay , for any elective procedure considered necessary by a health professional ! HHS has publicly stated that a ” panel ” of 15 ” experts ” will be the final arbiters ! What else would you call such a group ?

        • hankster6

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  swsather: Since I am, also, addressed in these remarks, I will respond. I don’t know where you get your information from, but calling someone else absolutely wrong about where Dear Leader was born, proves that YOU don’t know what YOU are talking about. Although, his records are still sealed, there is more than enough evidence that shows that he WAS born in Kenya. One example: his own grandmother told the world that he was born in Kenya, before she was told NOT say that. She was supposed to say Hawaii. All on video. That is just one piece of evidence. Check out the Canadian Free Press. They are NOT PC and you will get some truth. Every document that he has produced, which were Certificates of Birth and NOT Birth Certificates were forged/fake. That has also been proven.

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  I can find exactly what I said, but I did not intend to say such a thing. YES, there is a death panel, but it is made up, right now of this one evil woman. She is the person who wanted to deny the child a lung transplant, but a very wise judge overuled her and the child got the ling transplant. I know that there is supposed to be a “panel”, but she, apparently, is that “panel”. Sometimes, I do make mistakes in what I write, but I try not to. I will look, more carefully, at what I said to see if I can find where I misspoke. Thanks for bring that to my attention!

        • Emslykarl

          swsather , look it up yourself ! Unless you’ve been in hibernation , the so-called ” independent panel ” has received as much publicity as the legislation itself in the MSM , before during and since it was passed . Palin was castigated for coining the term ” death panel ” , but it was her use of the word
          ” death ” that caused all the furor ; not the fact per se . The bottom line is that regardless of what it is called , officially , the AHCA simply can not function without such a mechanism ! Who do you think will make the ultimate decision whether or not to approve care ?

        • hankster6

          zenock hankster6 jojac Always a Marine Emslykarl  zencok: I am guessing that you are referring to what I said about Dear Leader, I am using the wrong term because he, in no way, is a leader, so I will change that, accepting Christ. If it was another remark, please tell me which. Thank for the kind words!

        • Emslykarl

          Amen , Always a Marine ! My sentiments exactly ! I read profusely , and I know who I am , and where I am going -HOME ! The philosophy of the Left is based on a Humanistic view of man , and it is predestined to fail because it is unbiblical . It’s been tried repeatedly throughout the history of man , and failed every time ; this time will be no exception ! They put their trust and their destiny in the intellect of ” brilliant ” men , as they perceive BHO to be , but they are only men nonetheless , and are all as prone to error as any other mortal ; so they are not infallible . But the most fearful part of their ideology is that to them the State is god , and there is no room for any other . He must , ultimately be disposed of !

        • Always a Marine

          swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  
          There’s no humor, and no irony in still being able to speak (a right that Dear Leader has persecuted many times).
          Tyranny does hold sway here, but it’s not total fascism yet.  CommieCare uses force to compel me to purchase insurance.  CommieCare uses force to compel people to violate their religious principles.
          The Tyrant has acted tyrannically in scores of instances.
          I’ve got the feeling that you’re still operating on those classroom definitions and haven’t opened your eyes to the reality of un-Constitutional actions.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine swsather hankster6 Emslykarl  Always a Marine: I agree with what you say. I have decided to use The Tyrant instead of Dear Leader because that would imply that he is a leader. People who “lead from behind” are not leaders. Therefore, The Tyrant, I believe fits him more appropriately. I do give you credit for dreaming that one up! The rest of what you said is accurate. I see that Cruz is leading on a bill to not fund Commiecare. Sure hope it works. I am going to suggest to him, since he has some GUTS that he bring the impeachment charges up, but they can not go to Holder. I don’t know which avenue he should take with that, but he will, probably, know or he can find out.

        • DRLJR

          swsather Always a Marine DRLJR hankster6 Emslykarl   
          Except if we were following the law of the land Mr Obama would not be occupying the White House.  Mr Obama is not a natural born citizen and Hillary Clinton’s lawsuit would have removed Mr Obama and John McCain from consideration.  A natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents (mother and father) who are citizens.  Mr Obama was not Constitutionally elected and is not President.  He is usurper.

        • DRLJR

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          I see you are choosing to misrepresent what I wrote – standard tactic of the Left.  I have never claimed Mr Obama was born in Kenya.  I did point out that at time Mr Obama has claimed that.  Mr Obama is not eligible to be President and anyone who has taken the time to look at the facts knows this.  He is not a natural born citizen due to his father being a foreign citizen whem he was born.  Thus under he fails the first requirement since he was not born when the US Constitution was adopted.

        • DRLJR

          Emslykarl Don’t fall into the trap of the AHCA.  What was H.R. 3200 was not passed or ever considered.  What was passed was the PPACA or the Senate originated “H.R. 3590″ in which the 1st violation of the US Constitution is Article 1 Section 7 Paragraph 1.

        • Emslykarl

          I happen to agree with you , Hankster , but in my opinion that’s war we can’t win ; I doubt seriously that there is broad enough support . My own view is that we must pick our fights , and focus on issues , like energy , education , immigration , heallthcare , etc that capture the mood of the populace . Our education system is an abysmal failure , and that can be laid right at the feet of the Democrat Party , with their unholy alliance with the Teachers Union ! One of Obamas early EOs was to dismantle the DC charter school system that had become a successful model for the rest of America , under pressure from the Unions . It was a victory for the Unions , but it was a defeat for our Nation’s children .

        • Emslykarl

          I understand . Pardon my directness , but I’ve never been this concerned about the future of my grandchildren, ever , who must live under the laws being enacted by this President and Congress ! We are being suffocated by ideologically driven laws and EOs that will have long term consequences on future generations , and this Administration , and its bone-headed enabler, are concerned only with keeping power , and nothing more ! My God have mercy on our children , and this blessed Country that I love . Amen !

        • hankster6

          DRLJR swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  DRLJR: I don’t know if it is true or not, but I read, a long time ago, that Pelsi, then speaker of the house, signed a secret document, allowing him to be an unconstitutional president. That may be why no one is getting upset about him being a fraud. If there is such a document, it is, most likely, illegal! I don’t know if she was authorized to sign such a document or not. It does not sound right. As far as I am concerned, he is a fraud, until congress proves otherwise.

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  Food for thought: Obama, The Tyrant, believes that his father’s birthright to him was to “downsize” America. Every move he has mad is part of that agenda. Obamafesto is a large part of that agenda. Anti America, anti military, anti private jobs, anti America being a great country. That is one reason he went on his apology tour and is still apologizing to the world for America being such a bad country. Not once, that I can remember has he had one good thing to say, no matter how much good we had done. He sees America as a bad country and he is here to punish America, the military, private business and the American people in general. Every move he has made was bypassing congress, executive orders, Czars, which report directly to him, and running to the dictators in the UN for control. He does not know how to lead, but he is a wannabe dictator!

        • Emslykarl

          Hankster , I’m 82 and counting , so I have a different perspective , but I do understand your point. However , I’m beyond worrying about being jailed or shot for exercising my God-given rights ! I would not be the first ; nor would I be the last . If Revelation tells us anything , it is that we ‘ ain’t seen nothing yet ‘ ! I’ve put on my ” whole armor of God , and ready for whatever comes my way ! Our victory was assured 2000 years ago by an historical act called the Atonement ; ” I will not be afraid ; the Lord is on my side ; what can man do to me ?” not a thing !

        • zenock

          swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  wsather, it may seem we are free to express for the time being. However the NSA soon to be GSA will have a stack of information on all of us for whatever needs our government deems fit to use for. That’s a pretty scary thought considering the speed technology is advancing and the  direction the world is moving. Yes, appearance is all that matters.

        • zenock

          Emslykarl  I’m with you Hank.

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  Well said! Amen! I have already been threatened and really don’t care to have The Tyrant’s thugs knocking on my door, for any reason. I do say what I want to say, but I try to be careful with the language. Before I became a Christian, I used profanity everyday. After 21 years in the Navy, I learned and practiced, daily, how to be a “smart ass”. For many years after I retired, it sill came natural. I had to retrain myself to think before i opened my mouth. Now, I know the Tyrants thugs are looking for people who use certain words to threaten and harass. Threats I take seriously. Harassment doesn’t bother me. It might not bother you to go to jail, but I don’t like looking at bars in front of my eyes over something I have said! I held a secret clearance while in the military and I am still clean as a whistle, so far. As far as our corrupt government is concerned, I would be considered a bad guy, if you get my drift. I am against everything move they make and say, because every move they make and say is against the country that I love and for that matter against the Christ that saved me. Godless people are evil!

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl   
          If it is true is constitutes an act of treason since it is a direct attack on the US Constitution and the country.  Pelosi is a Leftist so she ignores the “Rule of Law” and what the laws actually are.

        • swsather

          DRLJR swsather hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  He was born in the US to an American mother.   That makes him a natural born citizen.

        • swsather

          hankster6 DRLJR swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  Why do you expect anyone to believe you when you say ridiculous things.    A secret document from the Speaker of the House would have no weight in whether Mr. Obama was qualified to be president.  Every court that has considered the eligibility argument has rejected it based on the facts, not based on secret documents.

        • swsather

          zenock swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  If you really believed that, you would not be expressing those views in public.   The fact that you make these comments suggests that you are either foolhardy or dishonest.

        • hankster6

          DRLJR hankster6 swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  DRLJR: If I recall, correctly, she was one of the main authors of Obamafesto. The Tyrant knew that she would ignore all laws and bankrupt America in the process. What she has against America is unknown. But then, all of The Tyrant’s cronies are anti America, otherwise, they could not work for him. How he turned Americans against the very country that they live in is unbelievable. I keep forgetting that they are all liberals, which means that they have mental disorders. That is really hard to believe. If it is not true, how did they come to think the way they do?? That is very confusing.

        • swsather

          hankster6 Emslykarl  So who threatened you and for what?   And what pray tell are the “Tyrant’s thugs” looking for in order to threaten and harass?   I think you are just a big talker who wants to make himself look important.

        • swsather

          DRLJR swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  Where in the Constitution or the U.S. Code does it say that both parents must be U.S. citizens in order to natural born?   It doesn’t.

        • swsather

          Always a Marine swsather hankster6 Emslykarl  That’s the problem.  I don’t believe in something that I can’t see for myself.  ObamaCare does not satisfy any definition of tyranny there is.

        • hankster6

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  swsather: Can you tell me why his own grandmother told the world that he was born in Kenya?? Then she was told not to say Kenya, but to say Hawaii. There is too much evidence saying that he was born in Kenya. That is what I believe according to the evidence I have seen. One source is the Canadian Free Press. They don’t have to worry about being politically correct. There are signs in Kenya that say he was born there. His wife admitted that Kenya was his place of birth (slip on the tongue!) All the Certificates of Birth (Not Birth Certificates) were forged. That has also been proven. I still have some of the evidence on my computer, if it is still good. I haven’t checked lately. If you want to see it, go to Facebook and send me a message.

        • swsather

          hankster6 Always a Marine swsather Emslykarl  You should pay more attention to the Constitution.   The Attorney General does not play any role in impeachment proceedings.   An impeachment must be commenced in the House of Representatives.   If the House votes to impeach, then there is a trial in the Senate.  As a U.S. Senator, Ted Cruz lacks the power to initiate an impeachment and the AG has no power to affect whether one goes forward or not.

        • Emslykarl

          Hankster , you’ve nailed it ! When he does something that seems counterintuitive to mainstream America , and my friends and acquaintances ask me , ” why would he do that ?” , my answer is always the same : ” because that is who he is ! “

        • Evermyrtle

          DRLJR hankster6 swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
           Pelosi has no respect for the Constitution, for GOD or HIS SON or for America. She is a criminal and if I had done and said the things that she has I would likely be in prison. With GOD we will be given what we have earned, we won’t cheat and we won’t be cheated, nor will HE be fooled by “smooth talking, or by any lies that she can think up!”. The same goes for each of us.

        • hankster6

          swsather hankster6 Emslykarl  swsather: I would prefer to send the information to you by a different method, unless you think that this is a safe method of communication. Let me know. I will be glad to tell you what happened. Maybe, afterward, you will think I am crazy! If you don’t think this is a good method, give me a suggestion. I have a fax machine, as well. We can probably use a land line. I don’t know. Tell me what you think.

        • DRLJR

          swsatherDRLJRhankster6Always a MarineEmslykarl  
          That is a false statement.  Mr Obama is not a natural born citizen.  He is what is known as a native born citizen. A natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents who are citizens.  To be a natural born citizens requires BOTH parents be citizens.  This definition has been referenced numerous times since the before the country was founded.  One of the earliest Supreme Court references is the 1820 case “The Venus”.  One of the latest was the 1939 Eng case.  This can further be seen in the 1790 law which was repealed in 1795.  If you want to do your own honest research start with these two sites:
          http://www.theobamafile.com/
          http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
          I started my own research in 2010 after I got curious due to the constant attacks on what were called “Birthers”.  And that included reading the actual source texts.  Under the US Constitution Mr Obama is not President.

        • DRLJR

          swsather DRLJR Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl   
          The meaning of the term predates the US Constitution and you are trying to redefine the term for your own purposes.  This is a standard technique of the Left used to distort facts and events.  As I pointed out take the time to do some real honest research.

        • DMJ

          swsather
          No, that makes him a native born citizen.  In order to be a natural born citizen, both of his parents must be citizens when he his born.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 DRLJR swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Pelosi was not involved in the writing of “H.R. 3590″.  Don’t confuse “H.R. 3200″ with the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” which is comprised of Senate originated bills.

        • hankster6

          swsather hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  swsather: Thanks, very much, for that information. If there is a trial, would Harry Reid be the judge? Either way, there are too many democrats in the senate. They would protect their messiah. Am I wrong, again?

        • zenock

          swsather zenock Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl

        • hankster6

          DMJ swsather swsather: Different subject: I did look up the procedure. Now I understand better. Thanks for the tip. It don’t think impeachment would work as there are too many democrats in the senate that would protect their messiah. What do you think?

        • zenock

          swsather zenock Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl    swsather, your comment suggest you are young and inexperienced. 
          “But I won’t hold that against you”…lol

        • DRLJR

          swsather hankster6 DRLJR Always a Marine Emslykarl   
          No Court has addressed the eligibility issue.  They have all refused to address the issue by manufacturing false “standing” claims.  Take the time to learn the real facts.

        • Evermyrtle

          DRLJR swsather hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl    To try to get any truth across to a believer in Islam, you are beating against a brick wall. Satan and his demons have taken control of their minds and their hearts are filled with hate, which also comes from Satan.

        • zenock

          swsather zenock Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  By your system of deductive reasoning you’ve said a lot about your character swather. I guess it was fool hardy for me to be in the military to? 
          I guess it’s foolhardy to disagree with the boss? The list goes on. America’s boss is this political correct snow job  people are being infected with. I happen to like what Mr. Hale said after he was charged as a spy by the Brits.
          GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH! 
          The day is coming that it will be foolhardy to admit your a Christian.
          Is that what your waiting for and what will you do ……deny him?
          It’s already happening in the middle east. it happens in our colleges. Christianity will not survive if Christians don’t shake of this political correct gimmick being shoved down our throats.

        • Emslykarl

          Always a Marine : I was 14 y/o when WW 2 ended ; I temper asking my father , when the news reports of what the Allied forces discovered in Austria and Poland : ” How could this happen in a civilized society where Protestantism was born ? ” He never gave me a satisfactory answer , and it was not until I studied the history of modern Fascism in my forties , that I learned the answer ! Recently I read about a political strategy introduced and applied by George Sorel , considered the father of modern fascism called the ” MYTH ” , which he thought was the secret to gaining public support for fascism :
          ” Any idea that than be IMPOSED on the people , by force if necessary , is both true and good .” it occurred to me that it is not unlike what happened to Americans with the ” Affordable ” Healthcare Act .

        • Emslykarl

          Swsather , just be patient ; this is the ” soft tyranny ” phase ! Please remember that the majority of Germans supported Hitler’s initiatives in the beginning ; the people willingly turned in their guns when asked to do so . It was not long before he was removing kids from the care of their parents and turning them over to the State to be brainwashed to become little Nazis ! There is no need for hard tyranny as long as there are enough docile people that are easily seduced by ” free ” stuff ” . It’s when the people put up a fuss and refuse to be steamrolled that they need the tanks , and brown-shirts .

        • hankster6

          Evermyrtle DRLJR swsather hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  Evermyrtle: Just for your information: If you know this information already, please forgive me for boring you to tears!  A couple of bits that I have learned since Islam has become such an issue here in America, from what I understand, Islam is NOT tolerant of any other faith/religion. The Koran (spelling?) is NOT compatible with OUR constitution. If a Muslim converts to any other religion, they are due to be killed by other Muslims or someone within Islam. If all that I am saying is true, it is no wonder that they do not want to listen to anyone about another religion! They are supposed to memorize the Koran and absolutely live by it, period. I have never read nor will I read their book. I have no interest what so ever. Just knowing the way they think turns me off! I have heard of one or two instances where people have been converted, but they are few and far between, for obvious reasons.

        • DRLJR

          hankster6 Evermyrtle DRLJR swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          You should read Quran.  It is important to both known what it says and you should learn islam real history.  Christ teaches one must learn and refusing to learn what other believe makes it harder to help people learn the real truth.

          The copy I have was translated by an Egyptian scholar in 1907, published in 1917 and updated in 1953 with language updates since.  I found that almost every page required footnotes of 1/4 to 1/2 page to explain what the words were supposed to mean.  You should take the time to read it.

        • jojac

          zenock swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  
          Zenock, Christians will soon be removed from here when Jesus comes for His Bride according to the Jewish tradition of betrothal and marriage.  Pray for those who convert to Christ in the tribulation, because if it is even suspected that someone is a believer in Christ his head will be removed.

        • jojac

          DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Yes, DRLJR, we need to know the enemy, what  his views are and how he  thinks, etc.,  and Islam is the enemy of Christianity.  In order to expose the darkness to Light, which over comes darkness, we have to be able to recognize the darkness. 
          A major problem with many churches today is that they are not  paying attention to what the pastors of Apostate churches are preaching, and thus how they are manipulating and leading many  gullible and unsuspecting believers astray.  For example, pastors should be warning their congregation to be very cautious of Rick Warren because (among other things) of his demonic attempt to merge Christianity and Islam.  Apostasy is running rampant, and many believers don’t know it.

        • StephenPennlowe

          jojac DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  Jojac, are you able to confirm the statement regarding Rick Warren? I’m not a follower of his, but like millions of others I have read and later led a study of The Purpose Driven Life. There are a few problems with the Purpose Driven Life concept–taking 30 days to do what God does in His own time. Other than Rick going to the White House in the first year or two of OB’s rule, I haven’t picked up any news about merging. And, you may be right!

        • cajunliberty7

          StephenPennlowe jojac DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          I am not a defender of Rick Warren, now or before. However, Rick has brought up some very germane points.  His accuser never came to him privately before making the public accusation, which we should all know is a sin since Christ said we are first to go privately, then with a witness and if he does not receive us then to the Body of Christ. (Mt. 18:15 et al)
          Rick Warren has denied the accusations, and has numerous tapes, and books in which he advocates that Jesus and Him alone is the only method to salvation.  Warren gives much greater explanation in his own words in interviews with magazines and other interviews.  It is fairly easy to find by a Google search.

        • swsather

          jojac DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl I am going to call BS on the Rick Warren comment.   I don’t believe it.

        • swsather

          Emslykarl The problem with your soft tyranny argument is that you are making assumptions about the future that cannot be verified.   If you start from the assumption that Obama is evil, you will see stormtroopers under every bed.

        • swsather

          zenock swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl Perhaps I was not clear.   My point was that we live in a free country as evidenced by the fact that we are able to have a free discussion about whether we live in a free country.    You don’t have to agree with me.   However, in my opinion, the fact that we are having the conversation proves the point.

        • swsather

          DRLJRswsatherhankster6Always a MarineEmslykarl You are only partially correct.    Most courts have dismissed challenges to President Obama’s eligibility on the basis of standing or the fact that it is a political question subject to determination by Congress rather than the courts.   However, one court that addressed the question head on was Ankeny v. Governor, 916 NE2d 678 (Ind. App. 2009).   Relying on Supreme Court precedent, the Court stated:
          “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=699b6e1ad3fc770719f4fef3438f8f3e&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b916%20N.E.2d%20678%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=129&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b169%20U.S.%20649%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAl&_md5=4dbe2c0d8142460e74e8d82b8ff013c3, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born
          Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the
          citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British
          dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the
          framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the
          allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.””

        • Emslykarl

          I agree , Hankster . I would just add , that such a miracle would be on the order of magnitude of the parting of the Red Sea ! And like Moses , all the watching Saints would cry out in amazement : ” stand still and see the salvation of the Lord “! Amen !

        • Emslykarl

          Swsather , you may find it ” humorous ” now ; however there is nothing humorous about a once-great Nation drowning in debt , on the brink of a credit downgrade , and losing its standing and leadership position in a world in crisis ; that requires great leadership , something sadly lacking in the man you so greatly admire ! Personally , I think it’s sad ; not funny !

        • swsather

          DRLJRswsatherhankster6Always a MarineEmslykarl The Obamafile does not offer any persuasive authority for its position.
          The Tonchen site offers a better argument.   However, it argues that there are more than two classes of citizens.   The Supreme Court has consistently held that there are only two types of citizens:   those who acquire citizenship by birth and those who are naturalized.    Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998).  

          If a person acquires citizenship by birth, they are a natural born citizen.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather Emslykarl  
          You don’t have to “make assumption that Obama is evil” – he has given us a lifetime of evidence.  No need to go into all of it – it’s become tedious – but just to note that he committed himself to a Marxist church for 20+ years.  He has spent his entire life devoted to Marxist teaching – and preaches it almost daily.
          We’ve had 5 years of assaults on the Constitution and personal liberty from this Tyrant – seeing storm troopers isn’t irrational paranoia – his administration lists veterans and patriots as suspected terrorist.
          Wake up and smell the oppression.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather zenock Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  
          Keep whistling.

        • swsather

          hankster6swsatherDRLJRAlways a MarineEmslykarl She didn’t say that and she wasn’t his grandmother.    
           http://www.salon.com/2009/07/24/liddy/

        • hankster6

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  swsather: The sad part is that, even I have proof that The Tyrant was not born in America, so why anyone would go to court without proof that he was born is Kenya is not understood. If they are going by the fake Certificate of Birth documents, shame on them. Those were proven, be experts, to be forged. Some people believe that a Certificate of Birth is the same as a Birth Certificate. They are different. One simple says that a baby was born alive and give the date. the actual Birth Certificate gives the date, state and/or country. The Tyrant thugs tried to pass of Cerificates of Birth because they did not state the country. That would have been telling. That is why his documents are sealed. He has spent a lot of money to protect his true ID.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather jojac DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          I wouldn’t follow Rick Warren across the street for a free lunch.
          There’s lots of documentation on his compromises.

        • Always a Marine

          DRLJR hankster6 Evermyrtle swsather Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          I don’t have to engage in dumpster diving for lunch to appreciate a rib eye steak.

        • Always a Marine

          Evermyrtle DRLJR swsather hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          Just to expand the thought:  It’s the same dynamic with progressives.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl  
          That would be the reason you support a tyrant.
          It also reveals that you don’t understand the relationship between the fed. gov’t and states and individuals as limited by the Constitution.
          If you believe in nothing, you’ll fall for anything.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather Always a Marine hankster6 Emslykarl
          That would be the reason you support a tyrant.
          It also reveals that you don’t understand the relationship between the fed. gov’t and states and individuals as limited by the Constitution.
          If you believe in nothing, you’ll fall for anything.

        • Always a Marine

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl  
          And he spent his life at the feet on one communist/Marxist after another – that makes him an un-American, socialist subversive.

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          jojac: All who refuse to overcome evils, will join Satan in the Lake of Fire….> 
           Revelation 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
          This shows the fate of all who shall die the 2nd death, and that there is not now a hell-fire burning, that is a tradition of men only!
          wwwservantsite@wordpresscom

        • http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com/ servant

          swsather :   Not AT ALL!  I take issue with all those dummies, who were told by HIS own words, he was going to radically change this nation, and when He did they voted for this M.T. SUIT, of a man, because he promised them free stuff!! 50% pay ZERO income tax, yet he want to TAX the evil rich and give it to them!
          When there are no0 more rich, for whom will the poor, the you and me, work for them each other????
          I know it tough, but please THINK!

        • DRLJR

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl   
          Except that ruling conflicts with the real meaning as referenced by the Supreme Court.  Wong Kim Ark was not declared a natural born citizen but just a citizen.   The US does not have subjects but citizens.  The Court ignored Supreme Court rulings that specifically stated what the meaning is including the Ark ruling and the subsequent Eng ruling.

        • DRLJR

          swsather DRLJR hankster6 Always a Marine Emslykarl   
          Except if you take the time to look at the historical meaning of natural born citizen it includes a place and both parents.  The “natural born citizen” state is only applied to those who mean the definition of “born in the country of parents who are citizens”.  And this has been the definition since before the country was founded.  You are ignoring reams of rulings from the Supreme Court that  make a distinction between the natural born citizen (place, mother and father) and getting citizenship by birth.  There has always been a specific definition.

        • Emslykarl

          Swsather : Freedom is guaranteed to Americans by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution ; both are threatened by the actions of this President ! Examples : 42 czars ; 940 Executive Orders – more than the last 20 Presidents ; announcing his intention to pursue his agenda without Congress ; instructing the DOJ not to enforce established Law – DOMA ; using the powers of Federal Agencies to impede the operations of private industry ; publicly criticizing a decision of the US Supreme Court ; dismantling the Missile Defense Shield in Eastern Europe without Congressional action , a treaty which was ratified by our US senate ! Freedom once lost is difficult to regain ! That’s our fear with this Administration’s dictatorial style of governance .

        • hankster6

          Emslykarl  WELL SAID, and that is just the tip of the iceberg!! He is, in fact, a wannabe dictator.

        • TinmanJones

          And he is even challenging the court that has declared a man not guilty in that media circus FL case because by golly, that guy must be guilty of something of which the jury declared him not guilty. What a tool of a prez! Romans 12:12!

    • Always a Marine

      Emslykarl  
      I always describe it as CommieCare.

      • hankster6

        Always a Marine Emslykarl  Always a Marine: I call it Obamafesto as compared to the Communist Manifesto.

      • Emslykarl

        Always a Marine – I’m sure you understand that Obamacare is not about compassion ; it’s about power ! It was the surest and quickest path to consolidating power in the Federal Government ! That will be Obama’s legacy , and he will wear it like a Medal of Honor ; that is until the US fails to pay its debts . Universal healthcare will drive the Nation into bankruptcy . It does not require an Eimstein to figure out that we can’t add 30 million to the pool of insured ; reduce the supply of Primary Care physicians , and bring down costs . Impossible !

        • Always a Marine

          Emslykarl  
          There’s no compassion in it.  If there was, it’s cancelled by the tyranny of taking money by force and giving it to others. 
          It’s cancelled by subverting the rights of those participating in the free market and forcing conformity to the tyranny of the state.
          It’s cancelled by the subjection of individual’s freedom to provide for the health care with the doctor of their choice, and their right to privacy.
          (In that regard, it’s interesting to see they hypocrisy of leftists who routinely criticize republicans saying “they need to get out of our bedrooms” when they want to invade all of our rights and privacy.  CommieCare will collect every persons medical and financial records and using that information will unleash thousands of IRS agents to enforce the dictates of the State.)
          I agree, CommieCare is about power – and it’s the power to strip us of our rights and liberty.  It’s the power to subjugate and control.

        • hankster6

          Always a Marine Emslykarl  Always a Marine: Well said. Obama is compassionate about his communist agenda. I call it Obamafesto as compared to the Communist Manifesto. Commiecare also fits.

        • TinmanJones

          Emslykarl  It also falls in line with the way the prez cares nothing about defending the life of an unborn baby, a diplomat in Benghazi, or infirm elderly individuals.  Worst defender of life in US’s history.  This health initiative will make sure that those who are near death reach that threshold at a faster clip, and those who are near birth never reach that threshold (well, if women maintain their right to kill the child).  
               Our wonderful urban masses have really set the American consciousness 180 degrees away from our Constitution’s call for inalienable rights, and hopefully those of us who know better will not throw our hands up at the mercy of those idiotic urban masses who spearhead the naivete under the current political machine.  Romans 12:12!

        • Emslykarl

          Always a Marine : Senator Max Baucus , who recently described Obamacare as a ” train wreck ” could not have chosen a more apt description . Those who eagerly supported it will rue the day it was passed ! I know firsthand what government-run healthcare is , and Americans are not going to like it once they understand how it works . Beaurocrats have no personal interest in the well being of individual Americans ; they get their marching orders from the Dept of Health and they follow orders with varying degrees of proficiency ; that’s it ! The approval or disapproval of care will be based entirely on economics ; nothing more . The quality of care will deline ; choice of doctors will gradually disappear in time ; waiting times for elective procedures will steadily increase ; and every patient will have a numerical value based on life expectancy ! There will be two levels of care ; one for the wealthy who can and will purchase the care they want ; and the rest of us will have to settle for less ; much less in terms of quality of care . Anyone who tells you otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately being deceptive ! This legislation was all about gaining control of 15 % of our economy; now the Federal Government will control more that half the economy . It is Socialism plain and simple ! And anyone that thinks there is any chance of undoing this action is living in dreamland ;, it’s here to stay and we are screwed !

  • Emslykarl

    My perspective may be different than many who comment in this site ; I came here in 1948 from a ” colony ” of the British Empire . I got an education . I raided my family , and built a successful business from scratch with no help from government . I serve a living God , who decides my destiny and my fate is in His hands ! My favorite Bible text is Psalms 118:6 – ” The Lord is on my side ; I will not be afraid . What can man do
    to me ” . I live my life from that premise ! I’m 82 , and I have no fear of ” big brother ” ; they have no control over my ultimate fate ! I speak the truth without fear , for ” the truth will set ( me ) free ” . Finally , ” Greater is He that is in me , than he that is in the world “!
    That, friends , is my bottom line !

  • Emslykarl

    Liberals claim to love the Constitution , provided it does not interfere with advancing their agenda ; then they want to adapt it to the ” times in which we live “! Liberals are fine with soft tyranny , because as long as an all-powerful Government is providing what they want ” free ” , they don’t want any “Capitalist ” as President who will rein in the spending ! But one day , the coffers will run dry , the welfare checks will be late in arriving , and so will the SS checks . All those sweet pension checks will also disappear, then they will be the first ones in the streets demanding CHANGE !

    • hankster6

      Emslykarl  Very will said, and sadly, true!

    • Always a Marine

      Emslykarl  
      Liberals do love the Constitution – as long as they are in control of it’s interpretation (re-interpretation) and application.  That way when they quote it they can pretend they’re patriotic Americans and it gives them cover for their subversive ideology.

    • BobE

      Emslykarl  That socialist Kenyan is at again! As if over three years of positive jobs growth, more than doubling the Dow, and saving an economy that was tanking into oblivion and shedding almost a million jobs a month weren’t enough, now he’s gone and given this country a gigantic budget surplus in June! Is there anything this man won’t do to ruin our economy? Next thing you know, he’ll be creating tons of new jobs in green energy, or signing a huge comprehensive immigration bill that will add trillions to our economy over ten years. Well, actually he can’t do either of those last parts because thank God the Republicans are in town to stop his aggressive agenda of ruining America’s economy through jobs growth and gargantuan budget surpluses

      • TinmanJones

        Fantastic post about the Pied Piper of our ignorant, unable-to-comprehend urban masses! Romans 12:12!

      • Always a Marine

        BobE Emslykarl   
        To answer your question – No, there’s nothing he won’t do to ruin this country.
        Do you get the info you posted directly from HuffPo, the Center for American Progress, or the White House?  The info sure doesn’t correspond to what The Tyrant has/hasn’t done.
        After reading 9 lines of your spin, I’m feeling a little queasy.