Even if George Zimmerman is Guilty, He Should Probably Walk

In the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the prosecution is trying to paint him as a racist, gun-happy, vigilante, zealot, who stalked Trayvon Martin and murdered him. I’ll be the first to admit it: I don’t know the truth about what happened that night. Neither have I been given access to all the evidence that will come forward. Maybe the prosecution is correct about all of this.  I don’t know.

But see, that’s just the thing: No one else does either, if the first few prosecution witnesses are to be believed.

From the pool of living, breathing humanity, only Mr. Zimmerman knows what happened. He’s claiming self-defense. By definition, since he’s the only one alive who really knows, that means there is no one who is in a position to contradict him, or prove him wrong, or to expose his lie.

Apparently, the jury will hear all about how Zimmerman called 911 on several other occasions involving suspicious persons who were black. Okay. Maybe, on a stretch, that might point to some racism. But what it doesn’t do is prove that the man is lying when he says he shot to defend himself. The fact that he may not like black folks doesn’t mean Trayvon wasn’t bouncing his head off the curb.

Here’s the issue: Our criminal justice system is not about acting on the objective truth surrounding any particular crime. It simply isn’t, and we ought to disabuse ourselves of that notion. Instead, our criminal justice system is designed to act only upon what may be proved regarding any particular crime.

In an imperfect world, in which none of the officers of the court are all-knowing, we can’t operate based on the transcendental truth of what really happened. We must confine ourselves to what we can prove. Happily, those two often coincide, but sometimes proof is lacking.

Now, if we can’t prove guilt, that doesn’t mean the defendant is innocent: In fact, he may really have done the deed. But when we can’t prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, we return a verdict of “Not Guilty.” In our system, I stress, that doesn’t mean we think the guy is pure as the driven snow. It simply means the prosecution was unable to make its case. And we set that bar very high on purpose. It is a defense against tyranny.

The Biblical law demanded of Israel that no one be convicted of a crime unless his guilt was confirmed in the mouth of two or more witnesses (see Deuteronomy 19:15.) This wound up being a means of protection for individual citizens. One guy couldn’t make up a story and have the accusation stick against his neighbor. If a criminal trial really came down to “he said, she said,” then the thing to do was call it a wash and go home, while reminding each other that God is watching and will judge, perfectly. Does that mean the guilty went free sometimes? Probably so. But the innocent rarely got wrongly convicted, and it is that precise threat that we need to protect against, even in our modern society.

Let’s grant the prosecution’s entire case in the Zimmerman trial. Let’s say he really is a racist who felt extra tough when he was carrying a gun. Let’s say it really was unreasonable for him to follow Trayvon Martin that night. Let’s say Trayvon had not a malicious bone in his body. Let’s say that at some point, in the rain, after calling cops to the scene, Zimmerman decided to shoot the young man and kill him. That’s what he did. Let’s grant it all.

It still boils down to this: not much of this, especially not the really important parts of it, can be proven. Already, the prosecution has had to admit that it has no witness who actually saw what happened. Their star witness was a barely coherent young woman who says she was on the phone with Trayvon until right before the confrontation between the two men became violent. She is in no position (from what I’ve heard) to testify about who attacked whom.  However, even if the prosecution found an eye-witness, righteousness really demands they find another one to go with him/her.

But then, someone protests, a murderer would go free, based on his lie of self-defense! Yes, that’s what would happen. He’ll be free, like O.J. Simpson was freed. He’ll be free for a while. And then eventually he will meet up with a Judge who really does know the exact truth of what went down, and can, in fact, see into Zimmerman’s heart. Justice really will be done, even if we can’t quite get it right here and now.

When you’re the victim of the crime, or someone you love is, you want to see justice done. Like yesterday. When you’re the victim, a case like the one I’m making here sounds like ridiculous twaddle. I know that. That’s why, when the sun is shining and we’re all basically okay, that’s the time to sort this out. We want a system that errs on the side of protecting the innocent man who is falsely accused, rather than on the side of hurt and angered parties who demand swift retribution, and for whom the question of real guilt or innocence may take a back seat to the desire to see someone pay.

Maybe the Zimmerman prosecution is right. If so, I really hope they’re able to scare up a couple witnesses who can tell us all what happened. Who attacked whom, when it came down to it? But if they’re wrong, it would be the opposite of justice to sacrifice a man to the mob that’s calling for blood.

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Gordan Runyan is a pastor and author who hides out in the high plains desert of New Mexico. He recently preached the fourth Historic Election Sermon from the State Capitol rotunda in Helena, Montana. That sermon can be heard HERE.

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  • BobE

    If he’s guilty he should walk??? If you’re guilty of killing someone you should NOT “walk”!

    • GFWSR

      BobE 

      He’s definitely guilty of the killing. The question is was it self defense or not.

      • Publius2013

        GFWSR BobE Zimmerman admits killing him, but that does not convey “guilt,” especially if he is acquitted by reason of self defense.

      • MadAngel

        GFWSR BobE  
        the minimum would be manslaughter, but that’s not what he’s charged with, and  the charges ARE appropriate…
         he was told  NOT to go after him and he did – it’s murder

        • SilasDoGood

          MadAngel GFWSR BobE   The dispatcher asked him what direction TM was going and GZ complied with the dispatcher’s request.  Dispatch then said are you following him”?  “We do not need you to do that”
          FACTS in EVIDENCE – the dispatcher DID NOT tell him to stop following as it would LIBEL the Sanford PD.  These are the facts entered as evidence!!

        • Maranatha_Mark

          MadAngel GFWSR BobE Wrong.  The dispatcher only advised him not to follow, he didn’t command him not to follow him for fear of liability if Trayvon had turned out to be a killer or rapist that had just committed or about to commit a crime.  To have followed this as closely as you claim, you seem to miss a awful lot of fact in this case!  You have convicted Zimmerman in your mind from the time you saw Trayvon’s 6th grade picture splashed on the evening news screens.  So it should surprise anyone that you refuse to see the evidence presented so far, in a fair and unbais manner.

        • MarkGamblin

          MadAngel GFWSR BobE Really sick of this crap about “they told him not to follow!” Dispatch has basically NO authority!! They cannot tell you what to do! Z was NW and can challenge anyone he does not recognize! I do the same in my NW! Z was not breaking ANY law! M is the one that then made the very bad decision to take the confrontation up a notch and then HE became the one breaking the law! It’s not murder in ANY stretch of the imagination!

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          MadAngel GFWSR BobE He was advised to not follow him anymore, BY A DISPACHER, not a law officer! No legal right for a dispatcher to give a lawful order. If it was manslaughter then the State law would have been written differently. Here is the State Law that allows someone self-defense:
          Florida law states:
          776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—
          A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
          (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
          There is NO definition of any Murder or of Manslaughter in the law if you are trying to protect yourself from bodily harm or possible death. T. Martin was using felony force to pummel G. Zimmerman, that is now fact, as of today, with the testimony of an eyewitness,

      • concernedcitizen

        GFWSR BobE Guilt is not the legal issue in the death of Martin.  Guilt is only established when the law is infringed.  The use of deadly force to defend yourself is not against the law in Florida.

        • BobE

          concernedcitizen GFWSR BobE Zimmerman is having his day in court. I don’t know if he’s guilty or not but what I do know is you cannot be armed chase someone down & then shoot him dead if he resists & claim you’re defending yourself

        • Publius2013

          BobE concernedcitizen GFWSR What you know is irrelevant, as what you describe is not what transpired. Silly irrelevant comment. Sheesh.

    • maxinerwb

      BobE   How about Planned Parenthood.  They are guilty of murder every day.  And you certainly don’t see Obozo (who actually blessed Planned Parenthood) charging them with murder, I’m sure should one of his girls gets pregnant, that they will be going to PP and killing his grandchild.  That is, if the girls are really his.

      • SilasDoGood

        maxinerwb BobE  Not germain to this topic.  Please stop the silliness.

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        maxinerwb BobE Stay on TOPIC BOBBIE. You are good at changing the subject when the FACTS don’t fit your Ideology aren’t you. STAY on the Subject you TROLL.

  • SilasDoGood

    Gordon, having a vested interest in this trial, I am following it closely.  First, it is a shame that Mr. Martin was killed.  to date, the facts presented show that Mr. Zimmerman was acting as a Neighborhood Watch representative.  A NW representative is supposed to be nosy and challenge that which is out of the norm.  I know this as I have set up HOA NW programs – in my current HOA, we REQUIRE our volunteers to be permitted and carry weapons.
    Simply stated, in my opinion, had Mr. Martin simply been CIVIL (not acting like a tough thug want-to-be) and responded to Mr. Zimmerman, this would have been avoided and lives would not have changed forever.
    Florida law states:
    776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—
    A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
    (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
    Facts in evidence show Mr. Martin become the aggressor AFTER the initial challenge by Mr. Zimmerman.  Facts also in evidence indicate that, at one point, Mr. Martin had Mr. Zimmerman pinned to the ground and was conducting a “ground and pound” attack against him.  At this point, facts would indicate that Mr. Zimerman feared for his life and shot Mr. Martin.
    It is indeed sad, but clearly falls into the definition noted above.

    • MadAngel

      SilasDoGood  
      NICE TRY
      He WAS NOT a ‘member’ of neighborhood watch…..other than self appointed – that was established months ago
       AND he was advised to leave Martin alone – by the real police
      Only George was armed…. if nothing else he has to bear responsibility for  a death having occurred when it was G that confronted T 
      The only thing he’s really got to fight for is against being charged as a hate crime. Period.

      Mad Angel on FB

      • mckimsey

        MadAngel SilasDoGoodWikipedia says otherwise, “was the appointed neighborhood watch coordinator for the gated community .”  It obviously can be errant, but everything I’ve read is he had taken a class for neighborhood watch a couple years prior to the shooting, and was involved with the watch in his neighborhood.

        • SilasDoGood

          mckimsey MadAngel SilasDoGood   GZ WAS the Coordinator of this NE Program

      • SilasDoGood

        MadAngel SilasDoGood Mad Angel, you have not been following the trial or the FACTS.  The HOA sanctioned the NE program and GZ was the COORDINATOR – this is facts in evidence during the current trial!!!  Get the FACTS!!!
        TM became the aggressor when he went after GZ while returning to his vehicle – THESE ARE FACTS IN EVIDENCE FROM THE TRIAL.
        Go back to your soap opera………
        There is NO evidence of a hate crime other than the pot being stirred by Sharpton and Jackson – ALOS FACTS IN EVIDENCE

        • MadAngel

          SilasDoGood MadAngel  
          yeah I have been following the trial somewhat…I did a lot of reading and keeping up with all of it when it first happened..
           and I stand by what I say  —  oh, and I never reference wikipedia after finding out, along with VeteransToday (who banned ALL info from  them)  that they have been infiltrated by paid trained Israelis 

          So…again – nice try

        • SilasDoGood

          MadAngel SilasDoGood   I do not know what you are smoking, but please stop.  Again, leave the discussions to those of us that think and reason. 
          Dr. Phil is still on, please go watch him.

      • ObamaDualer

        MadAngel SilasDoGood 
        It’s still legal in this country to ask someone what they are doing as Z did. 
        It is a crime to punch someone in the face hard enough to break their nose which is what Martin did. Then according to the testimony of Mr. Good, Martin was on top swinging his arms downward where Z was.
        Z sustained wounds to the back of his head as the result of Martin’s actions. 
        There is another witness who has yet to testify, a black 13-year-old boy, who has said he saw Martin knock Z to the ground with the punch. That is the same claim Z has made.
        If someone is punching you and banging your head against the sidewalk, you have the right to shoot them dead.
        So far there has been no credible evidence that Z shot Martin with any malice planned or intended. 
        Since guilt requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, there is no case here against Z.

      • concernedcitizen

        MadAngel SilasDoGood Zimmerman exercised his human right under Florida State law to defend his own life with the use of deadly force against the life threatening attack purveyed and carried on by Mr. Martin.  Mr Martin paid the penalty for his crime committed against Mr Zimmerman a little more quickly than having to stand trail for attempted murder of Mr Zimmerman.  The cost to the people of the good State of Florida and justice was served.

  • evans111

    The real litmus test is to ask if you would write this exact same article if the roles were reversed, and Trayvon Martin was on trial for killing George Zimmerman in self defense — all other aspects of the incident are hypothetically identical. In other words, we hypothetically reverse the roles here.
    Or another analogy. Suppose George Zimmerman was African American, and Trayvon Martin was Latino. Would you have defended George Zimmerman if he were African American, or would you not, perhaps simply saying, “That’s different”? Honest answer, please.

    • Publius2013

      evans111 So far, all the known evidence supports Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. It also supports Zimmerman’s statement to police the day of the incident. My personal opinion is that no charges would have been filed but for political correctness and race-baiting pressure from bigots like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and others.

      • concernedcitizen

        Publius2013 evans111 True, and we all know what a great parent Jackson is – his son is in prison.

    • concernedcitizen

      evans111 the facts do show Martin is guilty, so he got what he deserved.  Irrespective of color, that is the way this event played out.  It is time to stop playing the race card in these hypothetical questions…

      • SilasDoGood

        concernedcitizen evans111  NO ONE deserves to die.  This situation is unfortunate, but self defense is self defense.

        • concernedcitizen

          SilasDoGood concernedcitizen evans111 Nobody should have to die, unless they choose to threaten your life.  At that point, they have legally accepted the risk of their own death for attempting to take your life as Martin attempted on Zimmerman.

  • Publius2013

    Gordon Runyan should at least spell his name, George, correctly.

  • Topazinator

    I know what:  Trayvon’s parents should be arrested and charged with child endangerment.  They’re the one who raised that sad piece of trash.

  • The_Hammer

    he did his comunity a service as far as I’m concerned….

  • BobE

    He may be guilty, he may be innocent. Everyone deserves their day in court, but to suggest that if he is guilty he should “walk” is pure racism!

    • Publius2013

      BobE No, it isn’t racism, merely unwise and unwarranted. One would have to add he should walk even if guilty for doing mankind a service for killing [insert ethnicity here] to make it “bigoted.”
      God only created one human race.

    • concernedcitizen

      BobE for Martin’s family top attempt to supress evidence showing Zimmerman was crying for help, is purely racist.

  • DRLJR

    Good article – I wonder how many people will take the time to actually read and understand what has actually been written.
    From the Defense side we know Mr Zimmerman is not a racist.  Early reports, after the claims of racism against Mr Zimmerman started, showed Mr Zimmerman tutored  Black teenagers at his own cost and that he forced police to prosecute a former police chief’s son for beating up a homeless Black man.  Hardly something a racist would do.  But it is something a person who wanted the police to perform their duty properly regardless of the ethnicity of a person.
    But as the article points out one must look at the actual facts of the event – not what the people want the facts to be.  And the police that night are reported to have charged George Zimmerman will involuntary manslaughter which after a review of the evidence dismissed the charges.

    As someone who has followed this case and looked past the rhetoric to try and determine what the real facts of the case are, if I was on the jury would have  to vote for “Not Guilty”.  There is a lot information available for review.

  • Richnjsouth

    Everything is appearing that Zimmerman’s version of the event is the truth.  After listening to Trayvon Martin’s “girlfriend” it was obvious that the prosecution has no case.  Ms. Rachel Jeantel has to be one of the worst witnesses ever.  Her inconsistent, bumbling testimony was pathetic.  The icing on the whole session was when Martin …..while on the phone called Zimmerman a “creepy ass cracker”………Ms. Jeantel was asked if that was a racist comment.  …….She said no……asked again if calling someone a “cracker” was racist……she hesitated…….and answered “no”.  She was also asked if this was a common term used in her family/community……….yes.  Since Ms. Jeantel was never a slave, did not live during the reconstruction, not during the 50’s, 60’s or any of the “movement” periods…….being she just turned 19, her nonchalant use of the word “cracker” along with the rest of her “homeys” proves that institutional racism exists in the black community.  She is a poster child for the failure of education, parenting to elevate the black community out of the same racist mentality that they , Sharpton, Jackson etc,  complain still exists in the white community.  The perpetuation of black racism in order to gain either financial, economic, emotional, political gains will continue to keep the black population in turmoil and conflict.  Also we need to stop wasting money on education for those who resent or resist it.  Ms. Jeantel seems to have failed English language or grammar classes if they were available.  It’s been many years since I’ve heard anybody pronounce the word ‘ASK’ as the word ‘AXE”.  Multiple times she pronounced the word in that manner.

    • Roeech

      Richnjsouth   Apparently, she also has given 3 different versions, so definitely NOT a reliable witness and speaking by phone did not give her a picture of what went down.

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      Richnjsouth She obviously has no idea what a “Cracker” is. It is a Cowboy in Florida that uses a whip to crack while moving cattle to move them along to the pens or from place to place so the cattle will not starve to death on the ranches. It has become a slang word in the black community to denigrate any white person and is racist in it’s connotations.

      • Richnjsouth

        Retired USAF MSGT Richnjsouth I personally dont care what blacks say, but the double standard hypocrisy is really annoying.  It is the reason blacks (not all) generally remain in “the back of the bus” or used by the mob of the left as their tools for political b.s. They also use honky  and a few other words.  Also the fact that the honky and cracker has to keep paying taxes to support this bimbo and her type, especially when they start breeding like roaches…….they dont mind taking those public funds paid by ole whitey do they? If it wasnt for whitey, they would still be living in mud huts with a goat and poking spears at each other.  They continue to live in the past with their race baiting icons like Sharpton and Jackson spewing long ended slavery, jim crow, segregation  and all the other nasty practices, but for some reason they like to milk the history for a faux guiilt trip…again on whitey.

  • HanksterMan

    An innocent

    • HanksterMan

      Sorry, I did not complete the post.

  • CaptTurbo

    Or maybe Trayvon really was the filthy monster that he , well, really was and was shot for being a thug?

  • CIRIUS LEE

    LEST WE ALL FORGET THAT EARLY TESTIMONY BY POLICE SAID THAT THERE IN FACT HAD BEEN MULTIPLE BREAK INS IN THAT COMMUNITY AND THEY WERE CARRIED OUT BY BLACK YOUTH SO FOR HIM TO HAVE KEPT AN EYE OUT FOR BLACK YOUTH IS PERFECTLY LOGICAL AS THEY HAD ALREADY COMMITTED SEVERAL SUCH CRIMES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY. END OF FING STORY. AND TO THE BLACKS-ZIMMERMAN IS MEXICAN AND TRAYVON WAS BLACK- WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHITES?? GET YOUR HEAD RIGHT OR YOU LOSE IT.

  • Ken Baguley

    He should have never been charged…There is no evidence against him that shows other than he defended himself against an attacker who threatened to kill him and proceeded to smash him in the face and then bang his head against the concrete sidewalk…How do you see it???   He was on his way back to his car and was followed by Trayvon who confronted by him.

    • SilasDoGood

      Ken Baguley   Remember, they were NOT going to charge him until Sharpton and Jack-ass-son got involved.  If it became about race, it is due to the two biggest race mongers in America – Jackson and Sharpton.
      It is terrible that Mr. Martin was killed, but I am certain that there was no “malice or for thought” (required for Murder 1) or “depraved indifference” required for Murder 2.

      • Oh Johnny

        SilasDoGood Ken Baguley Jesse Jackson , should have got father of the year, not Bill Clinton, just an observation.

  • HanksterMan

    If Zimmerman is found innocent, Miami will be burning in blood from the riots. It will cause race riot all over America. Yes, it is going to be a HOT summer. The riots will give our Marxist in Chief the chance to implement his form opolice state

    • SilasDoGood

      HanksterMan   I hope you are wrong, but I am concerned that you could be correct.  Let’s see if Sharpton and Jackson call for calm……..

      • Roeech

        SilasDoGood HanksterManDream  on!  They both are provocateurs, irrational men who love to be noticed and are generally wrong, wrong, and embarrass a lot of blacks.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      HanksterMan HanksterMan so we convict an innocent man to satisfy the mobs… is that what you are saying?  Fear of riots is no reason to convict an innocent man.  Based on the evidence offered to the public, Zimmerman act reasonably, and was within his right to ask Trayvon what he was doing out so late in the neighborhood  and in the rain.  Logic dictates that Trayvon was the one who attacked, and Zimmerman, despite having a gun, didn’t have it drawn or in hand, so it doesn’t really support he was on a power trip with his gun, looking to kill a ‘black’ man.  As far as him describing Trayvon as being black… I hate to break it to everyone, but Trayvon was Black!!!  When you are trying to describe someone over the phone to the police, you usually tell them the race of the individual(s) under suspicion!  There is NOTHING racist about describing what race someone is!

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        Maranatha_Mark HanksterMan Don’t forget that the Media is the one that pushed that point by editing the police call (Not a 911 call). The media was complicit in the trial of G. Zimmerman, when the local police investigated the incident and proclaimed it was a clear case of self-protection. Then the media, politicians, activists, et all got involved with it claiming WITHOUT any FACTS that it was a racial killing.

    • Oh Johnny

      HanksterMan   Miami is a pig sty anyway, let them  burn it, what’s to lose?  They burnt Watts, Detroit, LA,  and obviously don’t believe in the rule of law, it’s the entitlement mentality personified.

  • silusdogood

    you should also do an article about the nine month old baby girl who was raped to death by an illegal immigrant, and police caught him at a Bakersfield greyhound station Saturday,, he was trying to run back to Mexico. 
    There are a lot of these kinds of things going on, but you will not see John McSame crying about this baby girl, or the sixteen year old girl who was raped, and beaten to death by an illegal, who had eight different fake identifications and drawing welfare for each of them, making more in a month than I make in four.

  • MaryNagy

    The fact that he was charged was a racism-influenced decision. No ifs, ands, or buts.   He definitely had the head wounds to prove he was being attacked.  Other than the gunshot, I have not heard of such wounds on Martin.  Getting your head banged against the ground is a life-threatening thing, so how could anyone blame him for defending himself.  He should not have been charged, and he wasn’t until the lynch mob started up.  He could have avoided the confrontation, yes, but his purpose for being there was to keep the residents safe.  So of course he would ask what a guy walking through there was doing there.   Martin’s friend that was testifying as a witness because he was on the phone with her so obviously lied and made up most of her story.    And the woman that kept saying ‘I guess so’ made some assumptions she should not have made.  She saw ‘shadows’, yet is sure Zimmerman was on top.  Even if Zimmerman was able to roll during the struggle, he could have been on top – after having your head banged against the ground, isn’t that what anyone would try to do in the same situation?  This entire trial is a farce that is being paid for by taxpayers.

    • http://[email protected] j6667joel

      What ever else you may think of the Black culture, for its young men it is definitely ‘manly’. Who can possibly conceive of a 6’2″, 205 lb. black man siting astride a 5’8′ 160 lb white man.punching him and smashing his head to the pavemen, yelling “help me, please help me”. What nonsence.

  • coyotetracker1

    The most important thing is this: why are we even talking about this trial? Since this happend, there have been thousands of other murders in America, and none of them make the news. I wonder why this one is special?

    • Publius2013

      coyotetracker1 Perhaps because “Except by the Grace of God,” there could go each of us in Zimmerman’s place.

      • SilasDoGood

        Publius2013 coyotetracker1   I know I could, I carry a firearm every day and PRAY to never have to use it.  If the situation does arise, and I am sure it will, I ask God to forgive me for taking a life, even though I would be right in doing so.

    • Henry Leunissen

      coyotetracker1 Because Obama said that if he had a son he would look like Trayon.

      • SilasDoGood

        Henry Leunissen coyotetracker1   I think Obama’s son would be EXACTLY TM.

      • Oh Johnny

        Henry Leunissen coyotetracker1  Yes Obamas son Gold tooth and all

    • beejay

      Could it be because of color?.

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      coyotetracker1 Because the MSM and all of the politicians and Black activists that kept this in the news. Plainly they really don’t care about it personally. This was another soapbox to stand on for many different reasons.
      One reason was the Gun-Control agenda of many politicians.
      Two, was the racial implications of the incident.
      Three, was the President including himself as if he was the child’s father and pushing the MSM to further the “Cause”. By the way is something he should have never gotten into as the Federal Government should never be involved in a State criminal investigation, as there never was any indication that the State was not discriminating.
      Four, the MSM would not let it go, as usual, when they think it is a sensational story. Whether they get the facts straight or not is not their concern as long as they can get advertising money for their airtime.
      Those are the real facts of why this is not a State newspaper article. The MSM is making money off of this incident is why.

  • robtdfischl

    What we know from the testimony of the girl friend is that the Prosecution has coached her and she was not skillful at taking the coaching and running with it.  Shame on the defense attorneys for confusing her? She, after all, is testifying in a Court where the outcome could be severe for the defendant.  From two witnesses so far (girlfriend, neighbor) I wonder why this case continues – who cares what the investigating officer comes up with, since if he relied on the girlfriend (who has been impeached) or some whim about who struck whom, the fact that Zimmerman was on his back with the person on top swinging freely at him and calling for help, who in that position would not have used a gun to end the fight?  Nobody.

    • author5555

      robtdfischl how did the defense confuse her moron? She ius supposed to testify as to what she knows and  heard idiot. Shame you for being stupid

  • Roeech

    I regret that our supposed “justice system” has even brought this matter to this stage inasmuch Zimmerman was bounced around and suffered injuries and is somewhat older than the no so innocent criminal known as Trayon or Obama’s possible son!  He should never have had to come to this stage.  He was in a state allowing his gun, he had noticed other “blacks” (and let’s not forget Zimmerman is black and latino himself!) in a neighborhood where they should not have been, and so he was suspicious that Trayon was wandering about and then got violent.  Too bad the judge allowed Trayon’s criminal records not to be presented, which, although I have worked in criminal law offices, is an injustice to the defendant.  Let him go!

    • Henry Leunissen

      Roeech In the final analysis Zimmerman did us all a favor.

    • Corsica

      Roeech Zimmerman is a native of Peru and most likely a member of the indigenous Quechua people. He is definitely not black. His father adopted him, hence the surname Zimmerman. Don’t let Georgey boy hear you call him black!

  • willyt

    I just wish the defense attorney would have asked that female girl friend if both he and the judge would be referred to as creep-assed crackers after she said that this is what all white people are called in “her culture”.   Girl can’t read or write English at age 19 and grew up in America?  What kind of culture is that?

    • SanderBarber

      willyt The one George W. left with his “no child left behind” BS.

      • willyt

        SanderBarber willyt   Incredible how destructive NCLB has been to capable students.  Rather than treat substandard learners in special ed with specialized teachers, they are thrown in with the learners to disrupt and degrade their experience.  That’s not inclusion, that’s destruction…

      • author5555

        SanderBarber willyt That’s Bush’s fault again. FU  Sander,  stupid liberal idiot.

      • author5555

        SanderBarber willyt every comment you make shows how much of an ignorant moron you are.

  • cae973

    First people need to be aware that this black teen had been caught in school with burglery tools and womens jewelry in his knapsack. He should have been arrested for that and zimmermans lawyers should ask the police if any of the jewelry that was found on the creep matched jewelry that was previously stolen from the residents of that housing complex. They also need to inquire whether he had been charged as he should have been for his previous assault on a bus driver that he happily bragged about. Using this info it is easy to show that if he had truly been afraid of zimmerman he would have run since he was close to home but since he was in fact a thug who thought of himself as a tough guy he attacked.  As far as the threats from the black community that they will kill white people if zimmerman gets off the simply truth is they already kill and beat white people either during crimes or just for the fun of it.

    • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/end.htm DonJ

      cae973 I click like and it turns to unlike. I heard some voting machines did the same thing. I wan’t a paper trail when I vote.

      • SharonTaylor

        DonJ cae973 It doesn’t mean unlike at all. You are reading into it.

      • https://www.facebook.com/laura.renymiddleton?ref=tn_tnmn IDConstitutionist

        DonJ  When you click like, it turns to “Unlike” so that if you clicked the wrong comment or didn’t mean to “Like” you can unlike it if you want. Your “Like” vote counted. 
         To see for sure, just beside “Reply” are icons of the people that “Liked” the comment. Your distinctive icon is there.

    • Hawleyg

      cae973 So even if what you say is true, then your point is that it is ok to kill someone you think is a thug?  I bet you believe you can’t rape a prostitute too.  The way our law is set up it doesn’t matter what Martin’s backround was.

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        Hawleyg cae973 Whether you like it or not is not the question about this incident. Every person has the Right to defend his or her life. It is a personal Right. Not one that can be taken away.
        The facts, as I have watched them of this trial, so far, have shown that T. Martin was the one instigating the actual assault and battery on  G. Zimmerman. This is a fact.
        Secondly, one of the witnesses, claimed he saw T. Martin on top of M. Zimmerman in a straddling position swinging his arms at M. Zimmerman. These are the facts of the case so far.
        T. Martin is quoted saying he was going to kill  G. Zimmerman.
        Another fact is that T. Martin was much larger than G. Zimmerman.  G. Zimmerman is a 5’9″ 150-165 lb. man. T. Martin was at the time a 6’3″ 230-240 lb. person (Child) with the ability of size alone to hold G. Zimmerman down and pummel a person only 3/4 his size.
        These are all facts so far of this case. We will find out more as the trial goes on.
        As a person who has had training in hand to hand combat, I believe that if I were in the situation M. Zimmerman was in, there would have been no hesitation as to what to do. I have been in fights with my head being slammed into concrete, Believe me, you do not have many choices when it comes to that, after the first hit in the face and being hit so hard that your head was bounced off of the concrete, you loose some consciousness, even after the first hit. Being hit repeatedly makes it much worse and you really feel as if you are going to be knocked out at any time.
        G. Zimmerman was in that very same situation and claimed that T. Martin stated that he was going to die that night. What choice does anyone have at that point. It is at that point that anyone on the bottom of that type of fight would assume that if he was knocked out that the person on top would either get his gun and shoot it at him, or get up and start kicking him in the head and body. So, I ask you, what choice do you have at that point? Live or die, those are the choices, self-preservation or die. Those are the real choices.

      • pissedoff

        Hawleyg cae973   It should. Trouble plus anger just brings on more trouble. Everyone in the black community is for Trayvon and against Mr Zimmerman. They need to look in the mirror and ask what if it was me instead of Mr Zimmerman?.

  • SilasDoGood

    Folks, this is why we have a State judicial system.  justice is blind and should be.  let the facts for both sides be presented and then trust that a jury of ones peers can make a choice they believe is right and one they can sleep with.
    No one deserves to die – life is about choices and unfortunately, it seems that Tm made many bad choices.

    • SanderBarber

      SilasDoGood Yes, by all means, TM brought it on himself. How DARE he walk through an area he had every right to be in, with an Iced Tea no less!

      With all due respect, the bad choices were GZ’s. From carrying a firearm in a wildly inappropriate situation to ignoring the police request to cease and desist pursuit.

      • SilasDoGood

        SanderBarber SilasDoGood  Sander, you obviously do not carry a weapon and I thank you for not doing so.  I do carry a weapon and am not “dressed” without it.  I also run and participate in my own Neighborhood Watch Program (not the director – just an active participant) and our HOMEOWNERS have asked us (required us) to carry weapons.  We challenge people that we do not know or seem out of place every day – WITHOUT INCIDENT!!!  Most 99% respond to CIVIL questions with CIVIL answers.  The homes are private (just like GZ’s), the streets are private property (not owned by the State or County – just like GZ’s) and we have every right to challenge those that appear to be out of lace or unknown to us.
        With due respect, TM CHOSE to act in an uncivilized fashion (thug-like), refused to answer GZ’s questions and then, thought he would treat the “white-ass cracker” like an enemy.  He did not anticipate GZ to be armed (the EXACT purpose of concealed carry) and his choice to attack him was a bad choice…..it cost TM his life.

      • author5555

        SanderBarber SilasDoGood Hey idsidot, they call it a gated to begin with or don’t you know the meaning of that sander clown. His friend, Rachel Zental, who tesified asked Martin was doing there in the first place.That tells me he had no business being there. So give your liberal mouth a rest.

      • author5555

        SanderBarber SilasDoGood In no respect to you, GZ ddi not make the bad choice. Martin by being in a place he should not have been  in stupid.

    • Hawleyg

      SilasDoGood While I am  not sure what bad choices you are talking (writing?) about, I heartly agree with you about the jury.  They will hear ALL the evidence, not just the sound bytes.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    It’s a made for tv drama driven from the beginning by the media so they could have a circus act with which to amaze and astound the observers.
    In the early days of TV broadcasting, the news was presented without commercials because the news was a requirement of their broadcast license.
    In the very early 60’s the FCC changed the rules to allow broadcasters to sell airtime during the news.
    Shortly thereafter, the media astounded the world with the very first TV organized and fomented race riots to be televised.
    The price of airtime during the news blossomed into the biggest money maker in the news business, and the dynasties began….
    From a half-hour required newscast to non-stop news created to fill the corporate coffers in one small alteration of the rules.
    Historical FACT.

  • michaelzz

    FACTS:
    1. Mr. Zimmerman saw what he perceived to be a suspecious person.
    2. Mr. Zimmerman called 911 to report, which was proper.
    3. Mr. Zimmerman was told to stand down, i.e., not to follow and that officers were on the way.
    4. Mr. Zimmerman did not follow instructions and pursued Mr. Martin.
    5.  Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin were engaged in a struggle, during which Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin.
    DISCUSSION: 
    Had Mr. Martin not pursued Mr. Martin, the confrontation and subsquent killing would not have occurred.
    Would Mt. Zimmerman have pursued Mr. Martin if he did not have the gun?
    CONCLUSION: 
    It appears that Mr. Zimmerman was the cause of the killing and should be convicted of aggravated manslaughter, at the minimum.
    mz

    • Oh Johnny

      michaelzz  Had Mr. Martin not been there you can make the same case, none of this would have happened, gate communities are gated for a reason and given the current burglaries in that compound Mr. Latino white guy Zimmerman, did have the right to be.
      Certainly Mrzz if a guy that out weighed you was more muscular than you was pound your head into a curb, and you had a gun and survival instincts you would have in all probability would have shot Trayvon.
      The trial only brings more questions than answers, very unfortunate for everyone effected.

      • michaelzz

        Oh Johnny michaelzz 
        Mr. Martin was on the way to a townhouse within that gated community.
        He shouldn’t be allowed to return???
        It was Mr. Zimmerman who went after Mr. Martin.
        Again……….., do you believe Mr. Z would have pursued Mr. M if  Mr. Z did not have the gun??
        It’s tough to be objective…., isn’t it?    Try.
        mz

    • author5555

      michaelzz Conclusion, it appears Martin was in place he should not have been. so screw you.

      • michaelzz

        author5555 michaelzz 
        Will you apologize when you discover that he was where is was supposed to be?
        You are a real “class act”.
        Facetious…., obviously.

        • author5555

          michaelzz author5555 michaal, you have no class whatsoever.  Even his friend Rachel Zental testified she asked Martin why he was there. You are classless person.

        • michaelzz

          author5555 michaelzz 
          5555 – Apparently, you failed your class of “creative writing”.
          Don’t give up.
          After 5-6 tries, you may get a C-

        • grafra102

          michaelzz author5555 : Better go back to school to learn how to put your sentences together..You do not make sense to me…

    • SilasDoGood

      michaelzz   FACTS ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE
      Mr. Zimmerman was NOT told to stand down.  The exact words, AFTER the Dispatcher asked which way he (TM) went (a defacto request to follow), were “We do not need you to do that”.  GZ was NEVER told Do not follow him.  Even Sanford PD admits that they do not issue “orders” through the Dispatchers due to liability concerns.
      Chec the FACTS before you post!!!

      • michaelzz

        SilasDoGood michaelzz 
        PREAMBLE:  Threre are very few among the “thinking” few……,
        The others don’t “think” at all…………,
        They only “think” they do.
        What do you believe, i.e., “think” that “We do not need you to do that” meant?

        • SilasDoGood

          michaelzz SilasDoGood   Sorry for the delay – missed your post.
          And when the Dispatcher said “We do not need you to do that”, George started to return to his truck (in evidence) and was jumped by Trayvon (in evidence today – Mr. Good testimony)

    • Publius2013

      michaelzz Actually your “facts” are in error. After being told by the 911 officer not to continue following Martin, Zimmerman retreated toward his own vehicle and was pursued by Martin who then confronted and assaulted Zimmerman. Clear self defense.

      • michaelzz

        Publius2013 michaelzz 
        Publius, would you stake your life upon “your” facts?
        If not, please don’t offer them.
        mz

    • DouglasMRoy

      michaelzz  Number 4 is NOT a fact in your description. Martin had every opportunity to leave the area and go to his home, but chose to stay and confront and fight Zimmerman. Fact: Martin knew he was being followed by a guy in a truck, as he was on foot in a neighborhood with sidewalks away from roads, he could easily have disappeared quickly, but didn’t. Check your facts.

    • DRLJR

      you s michaelzz Your statements are inaccurate.  Mr Zimmerman is reported to have called the regular dispatch line.  It was not an emergency so he did not use 911.  This is the first distortion of the facts you have bought into.  Mr Zimmerman did not pursue.  Mr Martin had disappeared between two houses  by the time Mr Zimmerman got out of his car to verify his exact location.  Mr Martin was killed as a result of his victim (Mr Zimmerman) being able to successfully stop Mr Martin from killing him.

      • michaelzz

        DRLJR michaelzz 
        Based upon your “descriptive” comments, you must have video-taped the event.
        Try answering ONE question: do you believe that Mr. Z would have pursued had he not had the gun?
        Ya think you can handle that question?

        • DRLJR

          michaelzz DRLJR Mr Zimmerman would have done the same thing he did with or without a gun.  Which was to observe a person acting suspicious, call the police and continue to observe.  The only difference is he probably would have been killed by his attacker instead of managing to kill his attacker.  You really should take the the time to review the real information that is available instead of the made up “facts” used to justify the persecution of Mr Zimmerman.

        • michaelzz

          DRLJR michaelzz Whereas you may not be aware, but it is a known fact that Mr. Z pursued Mr. M, after he had been told that officers were on the way and to not follow.
          He disregarded. Why?  Could it be that he had the gun?
          Again…, objectivity is tough, but pull yourself together and give it a try…………..

  • SanderBarber

    So, at what point did George Zimmerman’s right to self defense trump Trayvon Martin’s? However, let’s do look at the facts. Trayvon had every right to be where he was. George Zimmerman chose to carry a gun on a neighborhood watch patrol, in violation of the HOA’s policiesand rules for the Watch. George Zimmerman chose to ignore Police requests to get back in his car. He admitted he shot Trayvon. He placed himself in confrontation with Trayvon. His actions, at the very least, were negligent and resulted in the Death of another person. I agree Life in prison is too much, but if he walks that would be an equal travesty of Justice.

    • Publius2013

      SanderBarber The known FACTS are that Zimmerman was there legally, Martin may have also been there legally, however, Martin struck the first blow, breaking Zimmerman’s nose and knocking him to the ground, and then continued his assault beating Zimmerman and pounding his head into the concrete. That constituted attempted murder and JUSTIFIED Zimmerman drawing his legal and lawfully carried gun in defense of his life.
      All known facts support Zimmerman’s statement to police the day of the incident that Martin instigated the confrontation and assault.
      You may choose to ignore facts, but at least now you have been made aware of the facts.

    • author5555

      SanderBarber If he walks. Hey shithead, you don’t even know the facts yet so STFU

    • Maranatha_Mark

      SanderBarber Actually, according to testimony, Trayvon was walking up in the yards and on the porches of the other residences’, which he didn’t have a right to do; The Gated Community they were in had suffered over a dozen break-ins, which is why the had the Neighborhood watch setup.  The HOA doesn’t have the right to suspend a person’s constitutional rights, in other words, the HOA, nor local or state laws don’t trump the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution; George says he did obey the police’s advice to stop the surveillance and was returning to his car when Trayvon confronted him.  Trayvon attacked Zimmerman throwing the first punch then proceeded to jump on top of Zimmerman and start beating him and bashing his head into the ground; still it wasn’t until Trayvon tried to take Zimmerman’s gun which was still in his pocket, that Zimmerman got to the gun first and shot him.  The police during their initial investigation deem it self-defense and turned him loose.  It wasn’t until several weeks later when the media started altering the evidence and showing Trayvon’s 6th grade pic all over the news, that politics got involve and demanded Zimmerman be arrested and charged.  Trayvon’s facebook page was almost immediately scrubbed of all incriminating photos and comments, to protect the illusion the media had create about Trayvon.  The fact that Trayvon had been in trouble for violence earlier and that he had been suspended from school for drugs, didn’t get reported until the black community had already gotten fired up and wanting Zimmerman’s head.  Zimmerman should have never been arrested based on the fact we have.  Zimmerman acted within his rights to check out a person acting suspicious, late at night, in the rain, in a community that suffered from numerous break-ins and robberies!

  • Linda CDines

    So following the law of reciprosity, or that which goes around comes around, in time you will pay for all the bad things you have done because someone will do unto you what you have done to others.

  • NicholasStix

    “Even
    if Geroge Zimmerman is Guilty, He Should Probably Walk”
    This
    is terrible work.
    The
    writer couldn’t even be bothered to spell the defendant’s name correctly.
    According
    to this writer’s logic, all you have to do to get away with cold-blooded murder
    is to kill someone without any witnesses present, with one witness present, or
    to have two “witnesses” willing to lie on your behalf.
    Circumstantial
    evidence (including forensics), anyone? Eyewitness testimony is typically the
    least reliable kind.
    “Let’s
    say that at some point, in the rain, after calling cops to the scene, Zimmerman
    decided to shoot the young man and kill him. That’s what he did. Let’s grant it
    all.”
    If
    that statement is correct, Zimmerman should be convicted of Murder 1 and
    executed, since that would make the murder premeditated.
    But
    George Zimmerman wasn’t guilty of any crime.
    With
    friends like this, who needs enemies?

  • Evermyrtle

    From the reports that I read and pictures I saw he was only guilty of protecting himself. The liberal socialists apparently were guilty of destroying records that showed that he was innocent of any crime.

    • Hawleyg

      Evermyrtle And thatstatement would be based on… what?  What records are you talking about?

  • Corsica

    “He should probably walk”? – author
    Are you fkn out of your mind?? Do you realize all the rioting and killing these people will engage in if Zimmerman walks??

    • SharonTaylor

      Corsica Zimmerman should be convicted to forestall any rioting? Glad you aren’t on that jury.

      • bafrank

        SharonTaylor Corsica   Amen!

    • DefendConstitution

      Corsica So because of what may happen, Zimmerman should be executed? Shouldn’t the police act to pre4vent rioting? Shouldn’t bho and holder take action to prevent rioting or is that what they want?

      • SanderBarber

        DefendConstitution Corsica Point of order- the Death sentence is NOT an option in this trial.

        • DefendConstitution

          SanderBarber DefendConstitution Corsica Sorry, I should not have used executed but rather persecuted. I know a little about FL law. Bad choice of words.

    • http://aol.com jean1000

      Corsica There will be rioting and looting if he is acquitted.  There will be celebratory rioting and looting if he is found guilty.  You can tell my prediction is there will be rioting and looting either way.  Too many free goodies to be had.

      • SilasDoGood

        jean1000 Corsica   If there is rioting, I hope those that riot REMENBER that 13 MILLION Floridians are legally armed.

    • Arelar2

      Corsica He is guilty only of fighting, and finally winning, for his life. If our fellow citizens decide to riot and , of course, burn and loot (especially loot) let’s hope that other citizens have armed themselves because I expect that those “crackers” will need to protect  themselves. No police will

    • PinkOnion

      Wow, so to prevent violence, the maybe innocent person should be found guilty? I thought this is a country of laws, not of the mob.

  • DefendConstitution

    We are talking about this for two reasons. First and probably the major reason is because bho, holder and company have shown how racist they are. They refuse to try individuals who have dark skin but jump at the chance to put it to a white person. Cops in Boston and this jump to mind. bho said if he had a son, he would be like tarvon. Secondly, what race group commits the majority of crimes? A gated community typically is home for middle to upper class individuals who wish to be secure and safe in their homes. Many communities have established Neighborhood Watch programs which have proven to be rather effective. When a stranger is seen inside the gated community, they are typically noticed very quickly, regardless of their skin color. Only Mr. Zimmerman can now tell exactly what happened and why it happened. Travon was dressed as an intruder would be. Travon was inside a gated community where he did not have ANY right or reason to be. I do not know all the facts but I do know one crime related fact. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. One thing is almost positively true; the DA was not going to file charges until bho got involved. Did Zimmerman act in the properly? Again, we were not there so we can’t be positive but all indications point to both parties being wrong. We can only express our opinions and you know what they say about opinions. All we can do is allow the justice system take it’s course, regardless of the outcome.

  • bafrank

    I think the title line is incorrect. It is more likely, in the “politically correct” atmosphere created by  both the TV Network doctored 911 recording
    and a biased President involving himself in a case where he has no
    business, the title line would reflect more correctly  with, “Even If
    Zimmerman is Innocent, He Should (Will?) Probably Go to Jail!”

  • 63glaspar

    The fact that Zimmerman followed Martin does not make him guilty of anything except wanting to know what was going on and as far as being racist I think Martin was that with the comment to person on phone when he told her some WHITE A** CRACKER is following him. And I Wish The Liberal Media wold show current pictures of him he was not no little boy

  • jkthomas97

    Definitely not an advocate of the logic “even if guilty Z should walk.” An
    absurd headline.  Nevertheless, even the most biased observer of this
    trial is cringing at any lack of evidence and the ineptitude of the prosecution to
    prove Zimmerman’s guilt beyond any reasonable doubt.  Unless something dramatic
    crops up soon, we can all anticipate a “not guilty” verdict.  As expected, this
    has become another “Race Trial of the Century” in the minds of the racially
    prejudice. 
    Prediction: The not guilty verdict will be immediately followed by a
    “injustice” statement from our President or his mouthpiece and subsequent,
    predictable multiple race riots in black neighborhoods – another excuse to loot
    and riot black owned businesses. We can expect Jessie and Al to stoke the
    flames. Will our inter-cities be prepared?  Hell no. Will weapons be involved? 
    You bet.  Will we have a crisis in leadership?  You can be sure of it. 
    Don’t expect a plan, prevention or leadership from anyone without significant
    leadership experience – Sorry, POTUS ain’t going to be our savior.

    • antiliberalcryptonite

      jkthomas97 
      Agreed.  So far, the “prosecution’s witnesses” have done nothing but help Z.

    • provemewrong

      jkthomas97 Barak, Hillary, and the rest of the Chicago politburo are followers of the philosophy of a sociopath named Saul Alinsky. In his book “Rules for Radicals”, Saul glorifies violent protests to bring down the existing government, no matter whose it is! Wouldn’t it be rich if it was a self-fulfilling prophecy and it was his own administration that was brought down?

  • RichHaynes

    WE are all going to need our AR-15’s and AK 47’s when the verdict comes out. You know just like when Rodney King verdict came out. All the TM types are all victims all the time.

    • 63glaspar

      You are right there any way it goes there going to be rough if Z is proving Innocent as he should be he going to have to go in hiding and have hi looks changed and Obumer should have to pay for it out of his pocket

  • mckimsey

    Here’s a good litmus test.  What if it was reversed?  Zimmerman is walking through with Trayvon as the self appointed neighborhood watch person.  Zimmerman doesn’t care for being followed, comes up and punches Trayvon in the nose, holds him down and beats his head on the sidewalk.  Trayvon fearing for his life shoots Zimmerman once in the chest.
    I’d say Trayvon Martin was possibly justified in using force, however I could see some say a manslaughter charge might be in order, and would understand allowing a Grand Jury, if they do that for manslaughter, and then a jury of his peers decide if enough evidence is found for a trial.  I could not understand a murder 2 charge in that case, and therefore can;t understand why they’ve come with one in this case.
    There is somewhat of a tip off here with the Special Prosecutor, though her modus operandi can be to skip Grand Jury’s, knew full well a Grand Jury would probably not have found grounds for a trial based on murder 2.

  • bafrank

    If you are listening to the witnesses and to the interview with Zimmerman over a year ago, you know that after being told by the 911 dispatcher  to not follow the suspicious man, Zimmerman was on the sidewalk headed for his vehicle. Travon set off running from where he was near the houses to confront Zimmerman on the sidewalk. Travon arrived  and punched Zimmerman in the face breaking his nose. Zimmerman went down. Travon jumped on top and  began pummeling Zimmerman after telling him “you gonna die tonight.”
    Zimmerman’s injuries indicate that Travon slammed Zimmerman’s head repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk. It takes very few blows like that to render unconsciousness and death. Eye witness saw Travon on top savagely beating Zimmerman in the face. Zimmerman was screaming for help in fear for his life. Travon was a strapping 17 year old who set about to show this “cracker” that he was superior. Travon was an angry confrontational punk set on  “making his bones,” so to speak, by teaching this white guy a lesson…killing him in the process would have made Travon’s day…as indicated for Travon’s indication of that attitude from his phone conversation and his previous social media posts.

    • DouglasMRoy

      bafrank  I think you’ve described what probably happened very well. Whether Martin was intent on killing Zimmerman at first, we can’t be sure, but when he saw the gun and went for it, Zimmerman and any man in that position would have sought to get the gun first to defend himself.

  • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

    You can accuse anybody of anything these days. Years ago I was accused of something I didn’t do by an anonymous letter writer to the Personnel department. It wasn’t anything nearly as serious as life or death, but I still had to defend myself. Fortunately the Personnel department person I spoke with believed me. I asked to see the letter, and was told they couldn’t show it to me. I said I wanted to see it because you can tell a lot by people’s writing style. I said I had an idea who it might be and they asked me who I thought it was. I said I didn’t want to say without any PROOF. They insisted I say who I thought it was, and when I told them, they weren’t surprised at all. It was a woman who caused trouble and spread lies about several other employees as well.

  • VirgoVince

    This entire trial is a waste of time and money and NEVER should have gotten this much media!!   It’s what they do best, waste time and money and INCITE divisiveness!!   po li’l ugly ni gga gan gsta got hissef kilt!   WHO really gives a damn??    STOP THE SIDESHOW and go home!!

    • http://www.facebook.com IamCommonSense

      VirgoVince – Wouild this “sideshow” be engulfed in the media fritz if the victim were a white guy shot by a black guy?  Most likely not.  Nothing to see here. Move on.  No report.  Unrelated happening.  Not newsworthy.  BUT, a BLACK guy gets SHOT by a WHITE guy – actually, Zimmerman isn’t totally “white” either – isn’t he Latino?  So, here’s the NEWSWORTHY story!  Latino shoots a Black guy, black guy dies, victim’s family wants restitution…GET THE MEDIA IN HERE RIGHT NOW!!!!  Attack that Latino-white GUY!!

      • BobE

        IamCommonSense VirgoVince  If a “black” guy shot a “white” guy here in Malibu the “black” guy would have been shot by the police no questions asked!

  • author5555

    and to all of you lib iodiots defending Martin, let’s not forget it is your kind that accused Zimmerman of using racism in this when in fact, it was Martin who used racial crap.

    • Papabstr

      author5555 Wondering where he got his info from?

      • NYCMOM

        Testimony from the girl martin was on the phone with. He told his friend he was being followed
        By some “cracker” in a pick~up truck.

    • RhondaReichel

      I have a feeling Zimmerman is guilty and he’s just lucky I’m not on his jury.  I don’t like the fact he was told not to follow and did anyway.  I have read some unsavory things about him and his character as well which I hope comes out in this trial.  Not that Trayvon was an angel either, but he’s the victim in this not Zimmerman.
      I have no doubt SOMEBODY saw what actually happened or some security camera did and I will be angry if it comes out later and proves he was guilty after he gets aquitted.

      • DefendConstitution

        RhondaReichel Are you aware of how much of an angle poor little travon is? He is as pure as the driven snow. Ya, right.

      • DouglasMRoy

        RhondaReichel You really need to listen to the phone conversation with the police officer. He didn’t follow Martin. Martin had plenty of time to walk through that neighborhood and be home, but he stayed and picked a fight to his own detriment.

        • https://sites.google.com/site/warpminesblog/ warpmine

          DouglasMRoy RhondaReichel Exactly, he was a half a foot taller than Zimmerman so I guess he thought ” I can take this “sneaky ass cracker”. He was right if he suddenly came out of nowhere and jumped him. Zimmerman was at risk for brain damage when Martin began to pummel George’s skull against the concrete. George asked him to stop, even called for help but Travon had to have his vengeance and continued to assault his prize. Now if there wasn’t a gun, how bad would George’s brain been damaged by repeated blows to the face against a hard surface? 
          We know from his Facebook entries or was that Twitter that Travon wasn’t exactly an angle of mercy so chances are if there wasn’t any gun, George would be dead and Travon would be charged but for what? Assault or murder? We’ll never know the truth but we do know that rift raft usually stays a course until something terrible happens.
          Still want to know why there is so little outrage when blacks kill each other for damn near nothing of value other than pride in big cities like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit etc…..

      • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

        RhondaReichel Who threw the first punch??? I don’t think Zimmerman could give HIMSELF a broken nose.

  • Linda CDines

    And that is how someone other than who you voted for won.  In Oklahoma we have a nice thick paper ballot which you mark with a wide dark “flow” pen, then you put it into a counting machine, it gives you your vote number and if necessary can be recounted if there is a problem.

  • Jack_Reacher

    What do you mean, “Even if he’s guilty”???   Name one piece of evidence that has been presented that even hints at Zimmerman being guilty.
    Oh well, the real trouble is going to come when Zimmerman is rightfully acquitted and the TV Riots begin.  (A TV Riot is any excuse to riot simply to loot, rape, rob and burn).  Yes, I hope I’m wrong, too.  There will not be a safe 55″ HDTV anywhere in this country.

    • BobE

      Jack_Reacher  well, there is the fact Martin is dead

      • DRLJR

        BobE Jack_Reacher As a result of Mr Martin’s own action of attacking another Mr Zimmerman who exercised his natural right to use deadly force to protect his own life.

  • beejay

    No  that is not what I said..btw….are u sure who attacked who?   I make no judgements but just an observation which is my opinion only..there would not be this much publicity if roles were reversed.  I have a concealed weapons permit soo I make no judgements against anyone who dies as well.  No comments needed

  • Rickygs

    Around here most younger blacks are very racist. I feel Zimmerman picked the wrong battle. If i was being hunted down,followed,approached, by a man with no uniform, no badge, I too would fight for my life. It too bad that Zimmerman had a gun. racist vs racist. Zimmerman should go to jail.

    • DouglasMRoy

      Rickygs You really need to read the facts and listen to the story.

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      Rickygs Well rickygs,
      You are indicative of why we need a justice system that includes jurors to determine guilt or innocence .
      If you are an eyewitness, perhaps you should have come forward that night?

  • DouglasMRoy

    According to the witness today, one man saw the black man on top of the white man, verifying Zimmerman’s story. He was an eye witness to at least that. According to the call made to the police non-emergency line, Zimmerman had lost contact with the young black man and was heading back to his truck, when confronted by Martin; the struggle ensued. In the struggle, Zimmerman was screaming for help. You could hear the screams, “Help me!” over the phone on one of the 911 calls right before the shot. Zimmerman says he struggled to move his head off the sidewalk to keep it from getting bashed in and then his holster and gun were exposed under his coat. Martin, at that point threatened to end his life then with the gun, reaching for it, but Zimmerman blocked him, got it first and then shot. The eye/ear witness testimony confirms Zimmerman’s story. It was self-defense. 
    If we doubt Martin was up to no good, consider he could have easily left the area if he was simply walking through to home as his friends say. However, we have Zimmerman on the phone with a policeman when Martin comes back and circles his car and he describes this to the officer on the phone.  Who was stalking who?

    • DouglasMRoy

      Also, we have the witness of the girl for the prosecution telling how Martin called Zimmerman a “sneaky ass cracker.” Racist words indeed. Was it Martin looking for the fight, coming up quickly and quietly on Zimmerman, punching him and jumping on top of him in a full throttling, mounted mode? I don’t think either man had killing the other in their minds when it started, but Martin’s anger seemed to lash out at Zimmerman. He was out of control. Though it is stressed in the news how Zimmerman was armed, his weapon was not brought out until Martin threatened to kill him with Zimmerman’s gun. This looks like a fight turned deadly. 
      Listen to the call from Zimmerman to the police to see if you think he was looking to kill someone that night. He wanted the police to come and called them to the scene before the fight broke out.

      • caseyalbert56

        DouglasMRoy No, Douglas, you don’t understand.  That girl said that calling Zimmerman a “sneaky ass cracker” was NOT a racist remark.  Didn’t you listen to her testimony?

        • wowman

          caseyalbert56 DouglasMRoy Yea the blacks double standards and liberals behind them.

      • JimSmith13

        DouglasMRoy My question is why does everyone put so much emphasis on the use of words like sneaky ass cracker or the so called N word? They are words, people should quit worrying about that or before long our great government will have a word police department to arrest you for using an illegal word.

    • Don DeHoff

      DouglasMRoy Sir,  which are you, judge, jury or executioner?  Also, I suspect  most of what you say is hearsay, innuendo or an over-active imagination on your part. You would not get past the first round of  questions during a jury selection process. Let the legal process work and accept their findings

      • DouglasMRoy

        Don DeHoff DouglasMRoy Unlike you, I actually read and listened to descriptions and testimonies. I have as much right as anyone to state my opinion. You’ve stated your judgmental opinion of me as judge, jury, and executioner and are a hypocrite. I’ve been on a jury and in a trial.

        • Don DeHoff

          DouglasMRoy  . Doug, let us keep it civil, with no name-calling. I am 81 years young and have had my fair share of juror duty and I was on a “permanent” courts-martial board, for a couple of years while I was in the USAF. Just reading or listening to a legal transcript or film does not give the full story as one cannot observe or detect the demeanor of the person giving the statement—and often the material is later refuted by other information—-again, let the courts and legal system do their thing, and let us hope justice will prevail. Also, I strongly disagree with the article’s position that  Zimmerman if guilty, “he should still walk”—that approach could cause much “blood in the streets”. In fact, regardless of the outcome, I sense there will be major disturbances, even if Zimmerman is clearly vindicated . There has been far too much racial “innuendo” on the internet, much of it wrong or at least contradictory.

        • DouglasMRoy

          Don DeHoff DouglasMRoy  DeHoff, I’m happy to be civil, but you started it by judging me, who expressed my opinion, as most people do. Eight-one or not, surely you realize the discussions in this room are those of citizens thinking over the matter according to what evidence they’ve seen and rightly or wrongly interpreted. You express your opinion, I express mine, but to try and prevent us from doing so, you are in the wrong. We are not in the courtroom. And if common citizens who have a righteous opinion, not dictated by color of skin, speak out, it is in reaction to the tremendous volume of black racism spewing from the Martin side and the left, who take pleasure in pitting people against each other.

  • BobE

    If Zimmerman IS guilty why should he “walk”? because he only killed a black man?

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      BobE If he’s innocent, should he do time because he killed a BLACK man?

      • AZBOB

        pateboo BobE THE BLACK MAN WAS UP TO NO GOOD

    • JUST BULL

      BobE  Black, white, red, yellow………….in the dark, we’re all the same.  The guy on top beating the guy on the bottom got shot by the bottom guy protecting himself.  Martin has a criminal record and a record as a troublemaker.  Does Zimmerman have such a record?   This trial is a waste of time.

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      BobE If it had been in reverse, and Martin killed ZIMMERMAN, should Martin have gotten off because he only killed a HISPANIC? There’s no doubt that Zimmerman killed Martin, the doubt comes as to WHY he ended up killing him. If someone was pounding MY head into the ground, and could kill me, and I had a weapon, you can be darn sure I would use it to save my OWN life.

      • bmg28

        If it had been reverse the black dude would have had protection from obama crowd and no trial would have ensued.

      • The real Smart Guy

        pateboo You leave out a lot of the facts, like Zimmerman followed after police told he it wasn’t needed, like Zimmerman leaving his vehicle to confront Martin, seems to me that makes him the aggressor and how the hell the aggressor claims self defense is a new one. You can’t scare the bejesus out of someone, exit your vehicle in a confrontational manner and not expect that person not to be ready to defend themselves. All Zimmerman had to do was LISTEN to the cop and none of this would have happened. Also the Detective responding didn’t find the injuries consistent with Zimmerman’s claim, we don’t know who was on top but just because Georgie got a little mark on his head doesn’t mean anything in this context

        • mckimsey

          The real Smart Guy pateboo 
          And while we’re giving one an excuse, and not the other, all Trayvon had to do was run, or not be confrontational, or simply explain who he was, where he lived, all in a calm manner, not saying things like “you’re going to die tonight”, etc.  There is plenty of blame to go around.
          The bottom line is, Murder 2 is proving to look more and more a ridiculous charge the further this trial goes on.

        • mckimsey

          The real Smart Guy pateboo 
          And I’d like to say, no one won in this whole situation.  Zimmerman gets to put on his CV “killer”.  I would have a hard time living life after a situation like this where force should legally be allowable to use, but perhaps questionable on whether it was “really” life or death.  Its almost akin to accidentally shooting someone while unloading a gun.  That’s why a manslaughter charge could be justified, but never murder 2.

  • JUST BULL

    Zimmerman should walk and his entire family should be protected.  This trial is a waste of my tax payer’s money.  Martin’s entire criminal activities should be made known at this trial.  Move on to the next diversion

  • gnafuasusual

    From first known facts, Zimmerman had his head beat into the ground by Tray…then, the struggle for the gun. The rest is pretty much history. Meanwhile across a few miles, some old white woman was being raped and killed by a black man. Her husband was tied up and had to listen to his wife’s screams and eventual death. Why wasn’t Obama there to say, She could have been my grandmother!” I think we all know why.

    • JUST BULL

      gnafuasusual   Best story I’ve heard yet………………..

  • bmg28

    The blacks are never happy until a white is taken down  Zimmerman is as innocent as a new born baby but these uneducated blacks don’t give a dam, they want his hide and if he goes free (which he should) they will go balistic. Thats their way destroy  riot steal  kill . They are to dam lazy to work like some good blacks they want it all for nothing. They were never taught by their own kind to work for it just take and take

    • JimSmith13

      bmg28 You hit the nail on the head

      • The real Smart Guy

        JimSmith13 Says the a-hole with a confederate flag avatar, not too much of a hillbilly racist now are you

        • FlagMan

          The real Smart Guy JimSmith13 
          What does the Stars & Bars have to do with racism ??

  • DouglasMRoy

    http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/zimmerman-reenactment-mpeg/c7f1mgMTGK8VjuH2SfuusQ 
    Watch this video, then listen to 911 calls, listen or read testimonies thus far. Seems that Zimmerman is telling the truth while supporters of Martin are trying to make a murder out of a self-defense case. Zimmerman reported the suspicious behavior of the hooded black youth in his neighborhood while on watch to police. The youth knew he was being followed by this man in his truck and called him a racist name to his friend on the phone. He had plenty of time to leave the neighborhood or finish walking through, but chose to come back and confront Z and was seen on top of him in what fighters call a ” fully mounted” position. Any MMA  fan will tell you this is the most dangerous  position to be in, as you are least able to defend yourself. Z had wounds on the back of his head to corroborate his story of having his head beat on the sidewalk.  His desperate screams are heard on one of the 911 calls right before the shot rang out. If Z was on M or had intended to just shoot and murder this young man without cause, he would have just done it and not called police or stayed their after the fact. Either Z is extremely clever and premeditated all this like some genius, or he really was getting beat to a pulp, feared for his life, stopped M from taking his gun and shot the aggressor first.

  • huntingfreedominAmerica

    The point is that Zimmerman is not guilty. And the justice system is being used as a tool to put fear in the American people to lay down there guns and go without protection. The case was to help the president push gun control and nothing more. Obama and the racist pushing swine only used the color of skin to cause a racist war Obama was to bring the American people together and he has done everything but bring them together. By Obama’s own book he said that his grandparents called him the n-word all the time and he built up hate because of it, but who does he hate the grandparents or just the white people in general. It was OK for them to get away with it,  but Paula Deal is paying heavy for a statement that was in the time she said the n-word was common for that time sure we all have said thing we wish we hadn’t said ,but we have. I grow up in a small town in Md . and there were blacks and whites that were the best of friends grow up friends and the n-word was seldom heard but in many cases it was a black calling the black the n-word. We played together went to church together and worked together side by side. I never know just how things were till I went in the military. But by the time we got through training and learned to help each other we to become best friends. When God is taken out of any relationship there is problems and it’s really not the color of skin but the spirit that fills the relation.  Zimmerman should go free, what happened was bad ,but what was the spirit that lead the evening up to the fight and death of Martin. When we play on the dark side evil things happen, and there is alot of evil in America today.

    • Oldsailor65

      huntingfreedominAmerica I never used the “N” word until after Obama was elected.  Now I use it all the time because it applies.  The Obama  administration is the most racist administration ever.  It bothers me that NONE of the news programs (not even Fox) uses a photo of Martin like he was proud  to have in his Facebook.  They all use a photo when he looked like Obama’s son.  This doesn’t seem right.  But then I’m just a predigest old white guy.

    • DRLJR

      huntingfreedominAmerica Talking of Mr Obama people need to remember that he is not a Black-American.  He has no free-Black of former Black-slave ancestry.  Mr Obama, by the hyphenated ethnicity rules is Kenyan-American or Kenyan-White-American.

  • Bisley

    This whole thing is a political farce.  The police didn’t charge Zimmerman, to begin with, because there was no evidence to prove him guilty of a crime.  After Sharpton, Jackson, Obama and the rest of the race hustlers (with the assistance of the news industry) stirred up enough trouble, an incompetent, politically motivated prosecutor charged him with murder anyway.  The man is being railroaded for political reasons, not because of any likelihood of guilt.  It’s too bad that there’s no way to hold the people who decided to prosecute him personally responsible for his legal expenses and the wasted years spent dealing with this (assuming they don’t convict him of a crime he didn’t commit).

    • DRLJR

      Bisley Actually, based upon reports, Zimmerman was charged with involuntary manslaughter and after a review of the real facts and evidence is was dismissed.  But the rest of the information is accurate – at least to my knowledge.

  • The real Smart Guy

    I think the article is a stack of cow pies. Here’s what we do know, Zimmerman stalked Martin even after being told to stand down by authorities, by his own admission he didn’t and he left his vehicle to confront Martin, the Detective who responded said Zimmerman;s wounds were not of a nature so severe as to be caused by his head repeatedly being smacked against concrete. Had Zimmerman not followed Martin after police told him that was not needed, had he not chosen to exit his vehicle and waited for Police Martin would be alive. There is more than a preponderance of evidence showing Zimmerman to be the initial aggressor, so self defense is not applicable when you follow someone then exit your vehicle to confront them, you have become the aggressor and are responsible for any following actions, period. This case is decidedly simple and beyond a reasonable doubt as witnessed by Zimmerman’s confessed actions. The author claim of a few calls is also manure the police report over 50 such calls, I don’t know where the author’s from but 50 is more than a few where I come from.
    Just another a-hole trying to justify the murder of a non armed young man, and all this MMA nonsense is just that, unless you’re a trained MMA fighter, and there’s certainly no evidence this 17 year old was, there’s not nearly the same dangers involved. The MMA nonsense is a red herring.

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      The real Smart Guy Zimmerman wasn’t told to stop following Martin, he was told it wasn’t necessary, there’s a difference. Then he was asked questions he could only get the right answers to by going back to find out.

    • SamHII

      The real Smart Guy On this consideration alone:  following someone and confronting them, if it does not involve assault, does not make Trayvon’s assault justified.

    • DRLJR

      The real Smart Guy You should look at the real facts and events.  Zimmerman did not stalk Martin.  The anti-Zimmerman people have been making up facts, statements and events.  The evidence showed Mr Martin returned to the area after disappearing between two houses and attacked Mr Zimmerman and was in fact trying to kill Mr Zimmerman.

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      The real Smart Guy We know that mr. Zimmerman followed and observed a suspicious person in his neighborhood. “STALKED” is hardly appropriate terminology.
      We know that the civilian dispatched is not a law enforcement officer, and recommended that he cease following the suspect.  Beyond that we do not know if he continued following.
      Basically, your entire post is based on what you saw and heard on the same networks that falsified voice recordings, so your opinion is not worth the pixels on my computer screen.

  • Ace Cannon

    Whenever there is any altercation between a black and a white the white is always guilty until proven innocent.  The blacks will all come together and lie and cheat and call the white racist names (cheesy cracker) and get away with it.  Everything is stacked against the white regardless of the facts.

    • jeffmiller47

      Ace Cannon A jury of six women, five of them white and the sixth a minority (probably hispanic but not certtain) will decide this case.  A unanimous decision is required.  I like Zimmerman’s odds.

      • Ace Cannon

        jeffmiller47 Ace Cannon 
        Jeffmiller47 I hope you are right but I’ve seen too many injustices to white people simply because they were up against blacks.
        If Zimmerman is found not guilty I’ll bet the reaction will make the LA riots over Rodney King look like a birthday party.

    • Marilynn Reeves

      What I really don’t like is updated photos of Martin NOT being used or any of this BIG TWITS background being brought to lite.  From what little of his background that has been put out had he not died he was well on the road to prison.

    • Marilynn Reeves

      Amen

    • The real Smart Guy

      Ace Cannon Sure and that’s why the Prison population in the U.S. is 80% white……oh wit that’s not the right statistic it’s 80% black so there goes your illogical premise out the window. Closet racists are easy to pin down

      • Ace Cannon

        The real Smart Guy Ace Cannon 
        The real Smart Guy ……YOU’RE NOT!!!  
        My statement stands as correct.  The prison population is 80% black because of the enormous amount of crime they commit and is less than 20% white because of the much, much lower crime rate whites commit.  Blacks don’t just stop with committing crimes against whites….they commit crimes against their own as well.  They have no sense of right   from wrong.  They seem to feel that if it benefits them it must be right.
        Brain dead liberals are even easier to pin down.

  • provemewrong

    It is the very premise that you are basing your assumptions on that the defense is challenging. Nobody is disputing that George Zimmerman shot and killed Trevon Martin. If he did indeed chase martin down and kill him, then he sure as hell would be guilty! Forensics will be the key to proving the case! The science of forensics did not exist in the time when Deuteronomy was written, so what the Bible says, is irrelevant in the court of  (U.S.) law. People are known to lie, collude, make mistakes and hallucinate! They usually don’t make the best determinant of the facts. Only impartially applied science can be trusted, but sometimes that can be inconclusive as well. We just have to do the best we can and hope the jurors do their jobs the best they can. They don’t always get it right either.

    • jeffmiller47

      provemewrong  Forensics can prove that Martin was killed by Zimmerman’s gun, and that Zimmerman pulled the trigger.  But forensics can’t prove why.

  • provemewrong

    And Paula Deen said that using the “N” word wasn’t racist either! Are they both right! Is this witness right and Paula Deen wrong! Can you elaborate?

    • mckimsey

      provemewrong  Shocker a woman alive 50 odd years ago said derogatory words in her life before.  Its not like every black rapper in the known universe since the 80’s doesn’t do it 30 times a song.

  • provemewrong

    The only living person who knows “why” is Zimmerman. The prosecutor thinks Zimmerman is lying and is going to try to prove it! This is where forensics will make or break his theory. Otherwise, the author of this article is right, he must be found “not guilty”.

  • provemewrong

    If you mean that neither is racist, then I agree. At least, with the evidence at hand.

  • Shellybee

    http://www.livefyre.com/profile/16550800/ 1 minute ago
    If
    the tables were turned and Zimmerman was dead, The trial would be over.
    Trayvon would guilty. It happens all the time. A different justice
    system for different people.

    • AZBOB

      Shellybee THATS BS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

      • Shellybee

        AZBOB Shellybee  
        Whatever….

        • JessePeterson

          Shellybee AZBOB Stupid niq qress.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Shellybee Unfortunately, you are just a little bit too correct on that point. Money can buy “justice” just like it can buy a presidency, and congressional seat, a judge, or just about anything else.  And if you don’t have the money, you are basically s c r e w e d.

      • Shellybee

        GrumpyOldMan Shellybee  
        You gotta point.

    • SilasDoGood

      Shellybee  I feel sorry for you if you think this way.  Please, take a moment or twenty years to EDUCATE yourself on the law.  Quit facebook and twitter and go online and become educated.

      • Shellybee

        SilasDoGood Shellybee  
        oh so you do have a law degree yourself? LOL!

        • SilasDoGood

          Shellybee SilasDoGood  yes, thank you

        • Shellybee

          SilasDoGood Shellybee  
          Yea right….me too! That’s funny.

        • SilasDoGood

          Shellybee SilasDoGood   Whatever – there is no way to ever reason with someone like you.

        • Shellybee

          SilasDoGood Shellybee  
          Wow! We are on the same page, because I feel the same way about you.
          Look like we have something in common. LOL!

  • AZBOB

    i agree 1000% anyway hes not guiltyNOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!

  • vailbunny

    He is going down the tubes because of the publicity. He defended himself – if he had been the one that died, probably Martin would not even have gone to jail.

  • carolrhill814

    He is guilty of carrying a gun and leaving his car he should have call 911 and the police handle everything and none of this would have happened.

    • IvaHadit

      carolrhill814   Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Hindsight is 20/20.  I have a feeling that if it weren’t George Zimmerman, it would have happened to someone else.  Just a matter of time.

    • jb80538

      carolrhill814 He had a permit for that gun. No crime there!

    • DRLJR

      carolrhill814 First, George Zimmerman  has a right to carry a gun, just like anyone not subject to Amendment 13’s punishment criteria.  Second, Zimmerman, based upon the real evidence did not leave his car to confront Martin.  Martin, by the credible reporting, had disappeared between two houses.  Zimmerman was verifying his location for the police with whom he was already talking to on the dispatch line.  If Martin had not been attacking and trying to kill Zimmerman Trayvon Martin will still be alive.

  • MikeMcKeown

    Too bad The Real Smart Guy is really a real smart know-it-all who doesn’t know a thing about Florida law! We have a little law here called “STAND YOUR GROUND”! Simply put, it means that if you feel that you’re in fear of your life, you may use DEADLY FORCE to defend yourself. So instead of running your big mouth, you should be watching the trial where you might learn something and find that the defense won the entire day today (Friday), undoing just about everything the prosecution built up oner the past four days. As a matter of fact, all of the legal analysts said that between Mark O’Mara and Don West, the whole prosecution team was humiliated on all of the technical points of the case. A witness put Martin on top of Zimmerman before the shooting and a physician’s assistant testified that Zimmerman’s nose was probably broken by a punch to the face and the head injuries were consistent with those of having his head slammed into the concrete walkway! Finally, one cop and another witness destroyed the prosecution’s theory that Zimmerman had a depraved mind with a disregard for human life, points absolutely necessary for second degree murder. So dummy, I wouldn’t be quite so quick to convict until you know the all of the FACTS! George will be home in less than two weeks. Molon Labe!
    Remember: Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid! (Ronald Reagan)
    Mike McKeown

  • aldale

    It appears they are trying to railroad this guy, just to appease the blacks. If Martin was sitting on me beating my face. Well,  I probably would have shot him too. ( Regardless his age.)  I got blind sided once by Blacks in the sixties, I know what it’s like. Zimmerman was scared and just reacted in self defense. All Crazy Ass White Crackers should conceal carry. Protect yourself from the racist blacks.

    • RalphGaines

      aldale Appease blacks.  Get serious.  This is about justice for anyone being followed and turns to defend themselves from being attacked.

      • mckimsey

        RalphGaines aldale  So we’re posthumously applying Stand Your Ground to Trayvon…  I have as yet to hear that Trayvon had a scratch on him.  I don’t t think would’ve shot Trayvon were I in the situation, but I do think Zimmerman was within his rights based on everything I’ve seen or heard yet.

        • RalphGaines

          mckimsey RalphGaines aldale If a guy is point a gun at me, I am going to defend myself the best way I can.  Remember, Zimmerman had the gun and Martin used whatever he could to defend himself.

        • enubus

          mckimsey RalphGaines aldale 
          Finally, someone with a brain!  If you thought your life was being threatened by this thug sitting on top of you, who was 6′ 3″ and 190 lbs., and was pounding your head on the cement after he broke your nose you would have shot him in the gut.

        • RalphGaines

          enubus mckimsey RalphGaines aldale If you get your butt kicked because you started the fight, oh well.  Does not give you the right to kill the guy.

        • mckimsey

          RalphGaines mckimsey aldale  That is a point that should be considered.  You are always instructed with a Concealed Weapons permit to never brandish a gun for show, only to use it.  If Zimmerman was holding him at gun point for example, which he was not according to his testimony, and no witnesses have testified to that effect, he would certainly bear a far greater burden for Trayvon’s death.

        • JessePeterson

          RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale You niq qers are cowards. You either attack in packs or you sucker punch your victims. If you tried that with me, I’d take you out, too.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale Thank God you are not a lawyer!

        • mckimsey

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale  Not sure who you mean Grumpy, but we’re only after the truth.
          If all we’re doing is playing sides, and seeking favors, we’re no better than the people we criticize for doing it.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          mckimsey  RalphGaines It does get confusing doesn’t it.  I was referring to Ralph and his “street law” that wants to perpetuate.

        • RalphGaines

          JessePeterson RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale Name the place

        • RalphGaines

          JessePeterson RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale For a while, I forgot what site I was on.  I would expect nothing less from you and yours.

        • mckimsey

          JessePeterson RalphGaines enubus mckimsey aldale  JessePeterson, All your comment does is add fuel to a fire.  Its ultimately stupid and counterproductive.

      • Don York

        RalphGaines aldale 12 Women jurors will, along with the main stream media and the race baiters will decide Mr Zimmermans case, damn the facts.

        • JessePeterson

          Don York RalphGaines aldale 6 women jurors.

      • JessePeterson

        RalphGaines aldale Justice for jun gle bun nies is getting a big payoff from YT. Treeboon’s parents already have.

        • RalphGaines

          JessePeterson RalphGaines aldale As they should.

    • jacquebquique

      aldale The prosecutors are from the State of Florida. There was pressure put on the governor by the Justice Department (Eric Holder) to prosecute.  “Eric the Read” may still intervene and charge Zimmerman with a Civil Rights violation.  Remember now, Georgie Porgie is Jewish and Peruvian and a minority in his own right.

  • MikeMcKeown

    Just one more thing; Preponderance of evidence applies ONLY to civil cases. In a criminal case, which this OBVIOUSLY is, the burden of proof lies firmly on the State. And the standard applied is “BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT”.  Also, in the State of Florida, and under Florida Law, Zimmerman does have the right to defend himself with deadly force even if he started the fight if he feels at any point that his life is in danger. That is the “STAND YOUR GROUND” law.

  • RalphGaines

    If he was really concerned about fighting crime, stay in his car, call the police, and let them approach Martin.  Its very simple.  Its not like the kid was following him.  If some one was following me, approached me, I to would stand and defend myself or run as fast as I can.  You cannot stalk someone and then claim self defense.  He had the gun, so if anyone was standing their ground, it was Martin.  He was trying to defend himself from the stalker (Zimmerman).  PLAIN AND SIMPLE…

    • jb80538

      RalphGaines Most times, law enforcement is only able to investigate AFTER a crime has been done. If someone can prevent a crime, that’s how it should be.

      • RalphGaines

        jb80538 RalphGaines What crime?  Was he really committing a crime?

        • JessePeterson

          RalphGaines jb80538 , he was casing the joint. He did this stuff before.

        • mckimsey

          JessePeterson RalphGaines jb80538   You have no clue what he was really doing.  And based of testimony, he honestly had as much right to be where he was as Zimmerman can claim to have.

        • RalphGaines

          mckimsey JessePeterson RalphGaines jb80538 Yes we do. There is absolutely no evidence that Martin was committing a crime at the time of the encounter with Zimmerman.  So exactly what was Zimmerman reason for following him?

        • BobE

          RalphGaines mckimsey JessePeterson jb80538  His reason is that he’s a racist & seen a black kid in his neighborhood, being armed he caused an altercation & then executed him!

    • EthelWinchester

      RalphGaines As a member of the neighborhood watch, maybe he was watching the neighborhood. If we had a few more people watching the neighborhood, instead of casing it, odds are we would be a lot better off.

      • RalphGaines

        EthelWinchester RalphGaines I have been on neighborhood watch before as well.  I remember with great detail, the police telling all of us, you are not the police.  Don’t give chase, don’t approach.  Watch means just that – WATCH.  Call the police and let them catch the bad guys.

        • Cherieo3

          RalphGaines EthelWinchester   And the squad cars will come rolling in with sirens blasting blocks away….we are ON OUR WAY….get going….hehehe

        • RalphGaines

          Cherieo3 RalphGaines EthelWinchester Yes, that is the way it works.  He was not committing a crime at the time, so what was the issue.

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines Cherieo3 EthelWinchester   The issue, he chose not to be CIVIL to a person asking him a question – no more, no less.  Would Trayvon responded as he did if it had been Sanford PD?  Doubt it, he would have peed his pants.  Trayvon’s bad choices and underestimating a creapy azz cracka got him killed.

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines Cherieo3 EthelWinchester WTF?? So I can come into your trailer park & ask you how big your mother’s C*CK is & if I don’t like your answer I can shoot you?

        • RalphGaines

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines Cherieo3 EthelWinchester Wow!  So thoughtful and original.  What else can I say?

    • GrumpyOldMan

      RalphGaines If you are not doing something “suspicious”, you wouldn’t have to worry about someone “stalking” you would you?  Stop peeping in windows and no one will bother you.

      • RalphGaines

        GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines If I am peeping in windows, call the police and let them take care of the situation.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldMan Sorry Ralph. I’m one of those who are armed at all times. If you are peeping in my window I’ll cap ya in a heart beat and drag your @ss inside if I have to.  Police are hired to write the reports. And they are almost never there before the crime is committed.  Just the way the system works.  You are very naive if you think otherwise.

        • metheoldsarge

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines You are correct.  Police are usually minutes away when seconds count.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines If that is your position, you are the problem and the reason Zimmerman is going to jail for a long time.

    • JessePeterson

      RalphGaines Do you sp ooks have a special channel where you receive your inaccurate information?

  • jb80538

    I really don’t think he’ll be convicted..He will never be  a free man. He will always have to look over his shoulder!

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    “FACTS:
    1. Mr. Zimmerman saw what he perceived to be a suspecious person.”  <b>Accepted as fact.</b>
    2. Mr. Zimmerman called 911 to report, which was proper.<b>No, he called the non-emergency line answered by a dispatcher who is not a law enforcement officer</b>
    3. Mr. Zimmerman was told to stand down, i.e., not to follow and that officers were on the way.</b>The dispatchers report is available for the facts.</b>
    4. Mr. Zimmerman did not follow instructions and pursued Mr. Martin.</b>Pure conjecture due to false reporting by the media</b>
    5.  Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin were engaged in a struggle, during which Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin.”</b>An uncorroborated story as presented by the accused and apparently backed up by numerous pieces of evidence.</b>
    Your conclusion is faulty…. unless you were there and have a video of the events, this is all conjecture.

    • RalphGaines

      GrumpyOldGoat Just because someone seems suspicious,  that does not give him the right to stalk him.  Until he actually commits a crime, call the police and wait.  Do not approach.  I repeat, do not approach.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        RalphGaines GrumpyOldGoat You probably need to find a dictionary and learn what words mean.
        “Following and observing” a suspicious person is NOT ‘stalking’.
        We cannot have a coherent discussion if you are using faulty definitions.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldGoat RalphGaines Please.  He did more that follow and observed.  If that was the case, Martin would still be alive.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldGoat IF you are an eye witness, the police would dearly love to talk to you for an extended period of time.
          If you are not an eye witness, then you are blowing smoke based on “PROVEN TO BE FALSE” reporting by the media and the press.
          The other story, that has more credibility is that after seeing Mr. Zimmerman watching him, trayvon did the stalking and ambushed Mr. Zimmerman.
          and that is using ‘stalking’ in the correct manner.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldGoat RalphGaines After being told to stand down, he continued to follow Martin.  There was no reason to continue following him.  If you are going to follow so one and approach them with a gun…   Martin had no other reason to approach Zimmerman other than to defend himself.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldGoat You have no idea what has already been presented as evidence do you?
          Most of your comments are based on conjecture and disproven already by the dispatcher who IS NOT a law enforcement officer.

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldGoat   GZ was NEVER told to Stand Down.  FACTS IN EVIDENCE from the Sanford PD.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        RalphGaines GrumpyOldGoat Again. BS!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      GrumpyOldGoat Since there is a large disproportionate blacks in the prison, it is obvious that blacks commit more crime than do other ethnic groups. So it means nothing that he had called in suspicious activity by blacks in the past.  It means nothing as to this trial.
      If, as reported, he was active in the community as a community watch organizer, and if he had as much contact with the local LEO’s, then it is also understandable that he had other numbers than simple 911.  Also he may not have considered it an emergency at the time.  I’ve called law enforcement several times myself and have not used 911.  It proves nothing.
      Having someone tell you to “stand down” that is not on the site, and has no first hand knowledge what is going on, then following that “advice” blindly is about the dumbest thing people can do.  Sorry, and again it proves nothing.
      Our criminal justice system is set up to make the prosecution PROVE it’s case.  And there is a very good reason for that considering the ambitious, over zealous number of prosecutors there are out there.  Let’s not forget the Duke La Carosse case not all that long ago.  I’m sure the Duke players are very grateful the prosecutor had to prove his case somewhere than in the snooze media.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        GrumpyOldMan GrumpyOldGoat I dialed 911 once to get the address of the closest doughnut shop on a Sunday morning and the dispatcher gave it to me without a temper tantrum.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          GrumpyOldGoat You are lucky you didn’t get a nice fine.  Finding a doughnut shop is not an emergency and 911 is only for emergencies.  You could have caused someone with a real emergency, like a heart attack, not to get help in time for a dumb address you could have gotten with a gps!

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    Prejudged based on “known to be fautly and agenda driven media”?
    If you endup in court, do you want your jury to decide on the facts?
    Or on the evidence?
    Either way, I want to serve on the jury you rely on for you freedom, or lack of….

  • enubus

    What nonsense, this guy must be smoking cannabis in the high desert.  The prosecution has made Mr. Zimmerman’s case for him.  Martin was a thug and had a checkered history, witness has said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him.  This case is a joke and should be dismissed by the Judge with prejudice.  If the slugs want to riot, let the games begin with the Florida national Guard and M-16s!

    • RalphGaines

      enubus What about Zimmerman past?  Again, is Zimmerman was following me, and acting like he was going to do something to me with his gun, I would defend myself as well.  Don’t approach, call the police and WATCH the person.  SIMPLE

      • GrumpyOldMan

        RalphGaines enubus BS!

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines enubus Zimmerman had no grounds to follow and approach Martin just because he looked suspicious.  if that was the criteria, I would be approaching folks most of the day.  Just because a person has a permit to carry a gun, does not give them the right to pick a fight.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldMan enubus Ralph, and just how is it Mr. Smarty Pants that you, and you alone, know that Zimmerman ever approached Martin?  From what I heard, at the time of the incident, Martin “disappeared” and then jumped Zimmerman when Zimmerman was on the way back to his car.  
          You are speculating and attempting to justify someone casing the neighborhood with no penalty or risk for doing so.  No wonder our insurance rates keep going up.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines enubus Casing the neighborhood, we was returning from the store.  Nothing more.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldMan enubus And Zimmerman was just out for an evening walk.

        • author5555

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldMan enubus like hell if he didn’t. There were numerous complains of break in at houses in theat commun ity by people wearing the same type of clothing Martin wore and Martyin had no reason to be there. If I lived in an area with this type of crime committed by people wearing that type of clothing, you can bet your ass I would be suspicious.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          RalphGaines GrumpyOldMan enubus It is called private property and Trayvon was Trespassing on that property. George had every right to stop him and question him. Just because he was on private property. It is a Gated Private Community with rules and laws that back up the trespassing charges if Trayvon had lived to see the inside of a courtroom. It really is too bad that did not happen, but when a person commits a Felony Assault and Battery on another person he gets what he deserves. When a person with a legal gun permit is bashed so badly that he thinks he may die if he does not act, this is what happens to the Felon. I am sorry you think the way you do, but sadly you are wrong.

      • enubus

        RalphGaines enubus 
        Nonsense, Zimmerman was acting on behalf of the community and Martin was a thug, got what he deserved.

        • RalphGaines

          enubus RalphGaines The correct thing to do is call the police and let them take care of it.  SIMPLE

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RalphGaines enubus Of course. So you and your hommies can have time to get away and rob some other neighborhood.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldMan RalphGaines enubus What world are you living in?  I don’t have hommies and would never consider taking from someone else.  Get out of the gutter…

        • BobE

          enubus RalphGaines You’re a racist so you’re not objective in the least

        • enubus

          BobE enubus RalphGaines 
          Why should be anymore or any less where the evidence takes me.  Do you think by using Racism as a pejorative for an ad hominem attack has any effect?  A very overused word by the Left to attempt to categorize their enemies as a bigot.  Who cares what you say, there is no power in that word.  You think I will shutter at the use of that nonsense, no chance fool!  I have an opinion about the thug based on background, that is not what you call racism.  You are invested in emotional falderal and balderdash!

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          RalphGaines enubus And that’s what Zimmerman attempted to do until Trayvon sucker punched him. If I was in Trayvon’s shoes, I’d have called the police first if I thought some “Creepy Ass Cracker” was following me. Now let’s see, who was the one who DID call the police, oh that’s right, it was George Zimmerman.

        • JessePeterson

          BobE enubus RalphGaines You’re a libtard. Tards are too stupid to have a voice.

        • Tonto USA

          BobE enubus RalphGaines Seems to me that you overuse the “racist” label Bob.  You might want to move to a big city like Detroit and check out what racism is really like.  But then racists like yourself don’t really have that kind of guts.

        • BobE

          JessePeterson BobE enubus RalphGaines  No, it’s teabaggers that have their mouths to full to have a voice!

      • JessePeterson

        RalphGaines enubus. So would you sucker punch him too? In that case, I hope he takes you out too.

        • RalphGaines

          JessePeterson RalphGaines enubus If you are going to follow and approach someone, you better expect that person to do something to defend themselves.  Martin used whatever he could find against someone who failed follow simple instructions to not following him.

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines
          JessePeterson
           enubus
           Ralph, are you a moron or simply directing this to a race issue?  You obviously do not carry a weapon and I thank you for not doing so.  I do carry a weapon and am not “dressed” without it.  I also run and participate in my own Neighborhood Watch Program (not the director – just an active participant) and our HOMEOWNERS have asked us (required us) to carry weapons.  We challenge people that we do not know or seem out of place every day – WITHOUT INCIDENT!!!  Most 99% respond to CIVIL questions with CIVIL answers.  The homes are private (just like GZ’s), the streets are private property (not owned by the State or County – just like GZ’s) and we have every right to challenge those that appear to be out of lace or unknown to us.
          With due respect, TM CHOSE to act in an uncivilized fashion (thug-like), refused to answer GZ’s questions and then, thought he would treat the “white-ass cracker” like an enemy.  He did not anticipate GZ to be armed (the EXACT purpose of concealed carry) and his choice to attack him was a bad choice…..it cost TM his life.

        • RalphGaines

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus You don’t know me at all.  I crew up in the toughest parts of New Orleans, spent 25 years serving my country in the Army, raised three wonder girls with my wife of 33 years.  Now I am retired from the Army and continue working hard to make a difference.  I have two guns in my home for protection.  I don’t go looking for trouble, and don’t think just because I have a gun, I should be out there looking for trouble or the bad guys.  But if you comes my way I will defend.  For Sure…

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines SilasDoGood JessePeterson enubus   I know FAR TOO many just like you that I help LOCK up every day.  If you think this is a race issue, you are a disgrace to the uniform you wore.

        • RalphGaines

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus And that come from you is suppose to mean some?  Don’t kid yourself.  And trust me you will never have a reason to lock me up and never will.

        • RalphGaines

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus And I have and never will disgrace the uniform.  Its folks like yourself that are too busy judging everyone else to see your own issues.

        • RalphGaines

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus Matter of fact, this county would be a lot better off if people like you would simply look in the mirror from time to time.

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines SilasDoGood JessePeterson enubus   Ralph, I look in the mirror every day and like what I see.  I believe in the Republic of the United States of America and am appalled by the special interests that pervert the law daily.  If I can “fix” one each day (put pout of business or in prison) I have a Great day.

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus What if George was just going to ask Trayvon for directions, does that give him the right to punch George? I get asked for help by people who don’t speak English all the time, they’re lucky I don’t punch first and then ask what they wanted.

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus You’re a cop?? I find that VERY difficult to believe. Head of a neighborhood watch group of wannabes perhaps but even that’s tough for me to swallow

        • SilasDoGood

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines JessePeterson enubus   Not a cop.  Legal Beagle.

      • Tonto USA

        RalphGaines enubus The thug was on the phone with a fat black ho.  Easy thing to say good bye, call 911 and get police involved…..but the thug CHOSE to attack Zimmerman.

      • PaulSmith

        RalphGaines enubus   Uh, Ralph, that’s EXACTLY what Zimmerman did.  If Treyvon had gone home, he’d be alive today.

        • RalphGaines

          PaulSmith RalphGaines enubus He was coming from the store, Zimmerman should have been at home.

        • Cherieo3

          RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus  I read some where…the tea and that candy are used to make some drugs that kids are doing now.  Yes, coming from the convenience store where he bought the stuff…on a rainy night.

        • PaulSmith

          RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus   Yes, he was coming from the store, he was wearing dark clothes, he was cutting between houses to get into the subdivision and staying close to the homes to stay out of the raid.  Martin did nothing wrong but his actions made him look suspicious to Zimmerman.
          Why should Zimmerman have been at home.  Is he not allowed to get in his truck and go to the story?

        • JessePeterson

          RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus You’re pretty thick, aren’t you? Zim was on patrol.

        • SilasDoGood

          PaulSmith RalphGaines enubus   Zimmerman was on patrol as the NW representative.  Doing his thankless job to PROTECT his community.

        • PaulSmith

          JessePeterson RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus   Zimmerman was NOT on patrol.  He was headed for the store when he spotted Martin.

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus I read Zimmerman was going to Target, so you’re saying it was okay for Trayvon to go shopping but not Zimmerman??? Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person, how many neighborhood watch people do YOU know that do it from HOME? Zimmerman actually lives in that neighborhood full time, Trayvon did NOT. Trayvon probably wouldn’t have been there in the first place if he wasn’t on suspension from school for the umpteenth time.

        • DRLJR

          RalphGaines PaulSmith enubus Based upon the reporting Mr Zimmerman was either returning home or heading out to the store when he observed a person acting suspicious.  The reports were that the person was walking into yards, peering into houses and Mr Zimmerman believed the person might be drunk or high.  That is why he called police dispatch.  The person is reported to have disappeared between two houses.  Trayvon Martin came into the area after Mr Zimmerman had gotten out of his vehicle to verify his exact location for the police.   Regardless if the person Mr Zimmerman observed was Mr Martin or not the simple facts of the case is that Mr Martin attacked Mr Zimmerman and was trying to kill him.  Instead the intended victim killed the perpetrator.

      • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

        RalphGaines enubus Did Trayvon have X-Ray vision??? It’s my understanding that the gun wasn’t known about until Trayvon had George on the ground.

        • RalphGaines

          pateboo RalphGaines enubus Do you think Zimmerman did not show that young man his gun?   Please.  That is why he probably got attacked in the first place.

        • refurb001yy

          RalphGaines pateboo enubus Who in their right mind attacks a stranger with a gun (probably loaded)?  I would look for the nearest phone and call the cops.  BUT NO, travon beats the crap out of a neighborhood watch commander, bashes his head against the sidewalk and finally Zimmerman gets a chance to pull his revolver and shoot.  ONE shot, NOT six.  Had he shot six times I would be wondering about intent myself….

        • Jonhu

          RalphGaines pateboo enubus Do you mean to suggest that TM attacked GZ, because GZ showed TM his gun? That’s bizarre…

        • PaulSmith

          RalphGaines pateboo enubus   Baseless assumptions.

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          RalphGaines pateboo enubus According to Zimmerman, Trayvon only saw the gun when George was on the ground, George said he forgot about having it until Trayvon started going for it.

      • fedupwithit

        RalphGaines enubus 
        The large problem here is the info about poor little “young” Martin in all his innocence (that sweet picture displayed), his criminal background is not being allowed in the case. Had the media not displayed him falsely as a sweet innocent child, the case would not have gotten into court – period. Defending him now as an innocent wayward child is idiotic! Use your energy and get hold of your senators and reps and help make some changes happen in this screwed up system.

        • RalphGaines

          fedupwithit RalphGaines enubus As I have heard so many times when describing other young folks that have gone on to do great things – he made some mistakes in his life, but does not mean he deserved to be killed.  Many have gone on to become productive after a rough start.

        • Cherieo3

          fedupwithit RalphGaines enubus   That’s right the Media did what the lamestream media does.  Uses picture of the nice little 12 yr. old (and he may have been back then) instead of what he turned out to be.  With school, drugs and the whole miserable life he was leading.  All that barred from the case now…leaving the impression of that cute little kid.

        • Jonhu

          RalphGaines fedupwithit enubus Do you think TM’s fingerprints will match with those from other burglaries in the neighborhood?

        • PaulSmith

          Jonhu RalphGaines fedupwithit enubus   Nah, we’d have heard about that by now.

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          RalphGaines fedupwithit enubus So did George Zimmerman, so are you saying Zimmerman deserved to die? Because I’d like to know who broke George’s nose and was bashing his head if it wasn’t Trayvon, since Trayvon hardly did it AFTER being shot and killed.

        • RalphGaines

          pateboo RalphGaines fedupwithit enubus Martin was just walking from the store.  Did not give Zimmerman the right to follow him, and surely not kill him.

        • RalphGaines

          Jonhu RalphGaines fedupwithit enubus No.

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines Jonhu fedupwithit enubus  No what Ralph?  Are you answering your own question or asking a new one?

      • DRLJR

        RalphGaines enubus All credible reporting indicates Zimmerman never actually approached Martin.  Martin was observed acting suspicious which is why Zimmerman was on the phone with the police.  The anti-Zimmerman people have been making up events from day one.
        Image if you were in a neighborhood looking for a friends house, while talking to your friend, see someone walking down the sidewalk while you are trying to figure out exactly where you are and they disappear.  You get out of your car to figure out exactly where you are and while returning to your car you are attacked.  This is the same basic scenario that happened when Martin attacked Zimmerman and got himself killed by his actions.

        • RalphGaines

          DRLJR RalphGaines enubus Been there, done that.  Saw a home being broken into, and call the police.  Did not chase them down, did not try and do more than what was needed to catch the guys.  You don’t have to be on watch patrol to see something suspicious and call the police.  Doing anything more in this case was too much.  Martin was not committing a crime at the time.  He was not about to kill someone, or breaking into a home.  He was just walking from the store.  Nothing more.

        • froggy57

          RalphGaines DRLJR enubus Good for you on reporting the cirme.
          But you have your events wrong. Martin eluded Zimmerman and when Zimmerman was returning to his truck, Trayvon attacked him. He shot Trayvon, which was a rightous kill.

        • DRLJR

          RalphGaines DRLJR enubus Except all the credible reporting indicates that Trayvon Martin came back to where George Zimmerman was and attacked him.  Mr Martin has disappeared between two house based upon the original reporting and Mr Zimmerman never had any direct contact until Mr Martin attacked him.

  • Mariomac

    All the evidence even before the trial was and is consistent with George Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. The only reason the DA’s office is prosecuting GZ is to please the black community. They are all up in arms about this case because a black gang banger and criminal did something stupid and got himself killed. They got all mad and started yelling about racism and justice for Trayvon. The DA prosecuted GZ out of fear that the black community would pull some civil disobedience so they put an innocent man through all this just to satisfy the militant racist in the black community. If the DA had been dealing with reasonable people who could recognize this for what it is then this would have been declared self defense and this would have been over before it began. Trayvon got justice. It might not have been the kind we all would have preferred but that is done and done legally. We will see what the militant racists do when GZ is found Not Guilty!

    • DRLJR

      Mariomac Actually this prosecutor is a known political grandstander based upon early reporting.

    • metheoldsarge

      Mariomac The public will not have full access to all the evidence
      that will be presented in court until the case is over and it all
      becomes public record. Any conclusion we can make before that, is
      only speculation at best. There has been a lot of hate speech
      generated on this. People like Ed Schultz, Bill Maher, Al Sharpton,
      and Jessie Jackson, along with the media, already had Zimmerman
      tried and convicted before he was even arrested. I believe Zimmerman
      will be convicted of something and will serve time in jail. He will
      not be acquitted. An acquittal would spark an uprising that would
      make the Rodney King incident look like a Sunday picnic. The
      loophole here is charges. If he is acquitted of murder, he cannot be
      charged with that again. They will do the same thing that was done
      to the police officers that were acquitted in the Rodney King case.
      They will just rename the charges. Of course he will be charged with
      the same crime but because the charge is different it becomes a
      different crime. The District Attorneys and Federal prosecutors can
      rewrite the charges as many times as it takes to finally get a
      conviction. The bottom line is that he is going to jail, he will not
      pass GO, he will not collect two hundred dollars.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Mariomac Way I see it, justice was served the night TM was killed.  Usually, people not out looking for trouble do not find it.  And if the “snooze” media showed pictures of what TM looked like the night he was killed, instead of the way he looked in 8th grade, there would be no need to waste all the taxpayer money on a trial that cannot be won, providing trial rules and law are actually followed in this case. The prosecution (persecution?) has no case.

      • grafra102

        GrumpyOldMan Mariomac : I do AGREE with you GRUMPY!!

  • JessePeterson

    If he’s guilty? This is a kangaroo court. Zimmerman did us a favor by taking out that thug.

    • Mariomac

      JessePeterson I have no idea what you are talking about! Do you?

      • JessePeterson

        Mariomac JessePeterson I’m saying the whole trial is a farce to keep the savage neg ro beasst from rioting. Also, the media wants to instill White guilt, even though neither of the parties was White.

        • Mariomac

          JessePeterson Mariomac Dang, your smarter than I thought! That is exactly right!

  • BobE

    If you morons cannot understand why the tea party is seen as nothing but a group of racist christian rednecks by the rest of the country just read the posts here

    • GrumpyOldMan

      BobE Hi BoobiE.  Figures you would come up with that.  You fudgepackin’ liberals never can see beyond the race card can you.

      • BobE

        GrumpyOldMan BobE No, you’re a racists & that’s a fact (do you even deny it)?

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE GrumpyOldMan Yes, I absolutely do deny it. But I’ll make the same accusation to you.  I’ve seen too many of your posts for you to deny it.

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      BobE Spare me having to read all the comments and just tell me, who here has identified themselves as a Tea Party member!!!

    • JessePeterson

      BobE STF U, libtard. There’s nothing wrong with being racist, no matter what your jew masters tell you.

      • Evermyrtle

        JessePeterson BobE What has Jew got to do with anything. Oh, I got it makes no difference, like Bush they are responsible for every bad thing that happens. I don’t know what we would do with Bush and the Jew to blame everything on.
        By the way it is best to completely ignore BobE he is the super troll. He hates GOD, JESUS CHRIST and Conservative Christians

    • Publius2013

      BobE You don’t by any chance work for the IRS, Do You???

      • SilasDoGood

        Publius2013 BobE   HAAAAA  HAAAAA that is choice.

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        Publius2013 BobE He was on the east coast a few weeks ago, must work fore the Guberment. LOL

  • Tonto USA

    His word against a dead guy.  The trial is a kangaroo court that should never have convened….there was no reason NOT to believe that the event was anything but self defense…..the evidence all points in that direction.  The only reason that there is a trial at all is to APPEASE THE BLACK RACISTS THAT ARE MAKING AN ISSUE….no other reason!  I think the WORST racists in this country are blacks and democrats.

    • shamwil

      Tonto USAyou are saying blacks are racist?????,you just overlook 400 years of history in this country, and wha their ancestors went through with

      • SilasDoGood

        shamwil Tonto USA AH, there it is, the Race Card!!!

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        shamwil Tonto USA The three biggest sources of racism in this country are the democrat party, the media, and the blacks tht the other two have convinced it’s all whiteys fault.

        • RalphGaines

          GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA You might want to check your facts before posting such nonsense.

        • shamwil

          GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA some black people fault, but some blacks  came here in chains, oppressed,brutalize, etc…….who fault is it….

        • SilasDoGood

          GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA Sad but largely true……FYI and oddly enough, it was the Republicans that put an end to segregation.

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA You dimwits just cannot be more proud that it was the gop that put an end to segregation. What you don’t mention is that back then the north was the gop & the south was the dem’s & now it’s reversed

        • Publius2013

          BobE SilasDoGood GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA No it isn’t reversed. Now the outer ends of the nation are godless, anti-American, anti-constitutional fascist wannabees masquerading as democrats. Most of the nation remains faithful to God and Country, but sadly most have been dumbed down through public indoctrination camps, oh we call those schools nowadays. But enough time wasted on you BobE.

        • BobE

          Publius2013 BobE SilasDoGood GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA YES, it is reversed. The red states are pretty much ALL the old confederate states. godless has nothing to do with politics it just means you understand things like science, logic, reason, math & reality. As far as being “dumbed down”  why is it ALWAYS the uneducated that feel schools have been dumbed down?

        • Publius2013

          shamwil GrumpyOldGoat Tonto USA Shamwil, the slave TRADE was ended in the united States around 1808. Citing the distant past and ignoring the Civil War where MOSTLY Caucasians, white folks, fought a war to end slavery and free ALL slaves in these united States.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          BobE SilasDoGood GrumpyOldGoat shamwil Tonto USA Well….
          At best that was an ignorant statement to call every person in the thread a ‘dimwit’.
          Only a foolish moron would make such a blanket statement.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          BobEPublius2013SilasDoGoodGrumpyOldGoatshamwilTonto USASorry little boy, but the facts are in on this one.
          A study during the Grace Commission found that 60% of the teachers came from the bottom 40% of their graduating high school class.
          That means3 out of 5 teachers have a C- or lower grade average.

          So, we have the lower mentalities teaching kids that are way smarter then the ‘teachers’ are capable of.
          And the academic standing of the US in international competition proves that to be fact.

        • LauraLeeScott

          GrumpyOldGoat BobE SilasDoGood shamwil Tonto USA Maybe we are dimwits :-) Do we really think we can debate this subject and come to a reasonable reason why this event occurred.

      • Publius2013

        shamwil Tonto USA Anyone, regardless of ethnicity or skin color, may harbor bigotry in their hearts and minds.

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      Tonto USA You are correct and the only ones who have had it worse than the Blacks is the Native Americans. They were killed by the thousands, made to walk the Trail of Tears, hunted down by the 8th Cavalry (a Black Unit of the US Army), Raped, Murdered, many annihilated into extinction like the Mohican Tribe of the NE US. The Native Tribes nave endured more than any other race in the US and all the Blacks have to say is they were slaves. The operative word (WERE). I never owned slaves and many of the people in this country never have. There were fewer than 10 thousand slave owners in all of the United States when slavery was abolished, forever. We are not all former slave owners or decedents of slave owners. The majority of white people in this country came after the Civil War or just before it and owned no slaves as they, for the most part were poor Europeans without the means to do so. As I stated above if anyone should have the Right to bitch about this nation it would be the Native American Tribes, and nobody else.

      • Publius2013

        Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA Well, we did make all the Native American Indians Citizens, thereby giving them our most prized and valuable possession. And even AFTER making them ALL Citizens we still allow them to behave as if they were separate sovereign nations. Go Figure.

        • SanderBarber

          Publius2013 Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA And that doesn’t strike you as being on the level of dropping a 5 dollar bill on a girl you’ve just robbed & raped?

        • Evermyrtle

          Publius2013 Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA We made them citizens after stealing the country from them. We come over here with our war machinery such as it was and killed thousands, while  all they had to fight with were knifes and  bow and arrow. We started off by robbing them of millions of dollars worth of their  precious metals.Was this  playing fair, taking unthinkable advantage of them?. and GAVE THEM CITIZENSHIP?? The idea gags me.
          The country was theirs not ours!!They should have been the ones giving the citizenship, not us, we did nothing but take advantage of the disadvantaged people.If it had not been the for the assistance of these Indians, our first crop of immigrants would have, most them died, starved to death, the first winter over here. I cringe when I think of the evil done to the Indians by “We The White People!” Remember The Trail Of Tears?” Some of these Indians owned their land and “our government” (does this ring a bell?) sent the army out to force these people off of their land and sent them far away, to the other side of the country.The trip across the country cost the Indians more than 5o% or their people’s lives,  many starving to death.
          Who do we give credit for discovering America? Columbus, Magellan. The American Indians were here long before any white man. Gave them citizenship, indeed. Oh yes, I know they went through that mockery!!

        • Publius2013

          Evermyrtle Publius2013 Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA No one OWNS countries. Don’t think for 1 minute there aren’t folks just slobbering over the idea of taking the united States land from us. Who knows who the so called Native Americans took it from. Get serious Folks. All land belongs to whoever may hold onto it.

        • DRLJR

          Evermyrtle Publius2013 Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA Actually, many Indians were already citizens.  It depended upon if they were born subject to Amendment 14.  For more information people should read the 1875 Elk case and the 1898 Ark case which covers Amendment 14 based citizenship.  
          People need to beware the “Left”‘s re-write of American history in relations to many of the Indian tribes as well.  Especially about the Pilgrims.  And people should also read the “Trail of Tears”.  It was not always a good relationship but it was not always a bad either.

        • RandyPhillips1

          Evermyrtle Publius2013 Retired USAF MSGT Tonto USA The whole world has been based on the same kind of atrocities. This is how warfare was started. The Indians aren’t the first people this has happened to. People fighting for one another’s countries and their wealth or innovations is something that has been done since the beginning of time. The blacks in Africa rounded up men and women to sell for the slave trades. Jews were slaves for over a thousand years. The Romans had slaves. People that were victors have always enjoyed the spoils of victory.
          The Indians did the same thing with their tribal wars. They would attack other tribes and their lands to take them over. They would kill of most of the men and take their women as slaves. The most feared tribe was the Incas. They were the most advanced tribe in North America. Had they lived through the fevers brought by the Europeans, there may have been a different outcome in the composition of the US and Mexico. 
          I am not saying that there hasn’t been wrongs done by the whites, but all have done it. The Europeans were smarter and better organized in warfare and had better equipment. Those countries that tried to advance technology survived and those that didn’t were usually taken over by another country.

  • rchguns

    I think you have the right idea but you are hundred and 80° out. Mister Zimmerman has been convicted ever sense half of the Black Caucus showed up down there to protest screaming that they wanted to hang him from a bridge. The Martin family’s attorney goes on national TV and boldly states that race is not a factor in this trial. But yet the first witness for the prosecution is an overt racial bigot referring to white people as crackers. In this bimbo can even read. She was asked to identify her statement and read it aloud and she said she couldn’t because she can’t read.

    Mister Zimmerman’s life in the United States is over! When he is found innocent which he will be because there is absolutely no evidence that points to murder. They may have been able to get a conviction for manslaughter but even that is questionable. No matter where he goes he will have a price on his head, the Black Panthers already put a price on his head even before the trial.
    We Are Not dealing with rational people here but with racially bigoted individuals with a chip on their shoulder that feel they need to make anyone who is not black pay them back for what somebody else did 200 years ago. They cover themselves in the armor of slavery. They were so mistreated as slaves that everyone has to pay for it now. Why? First of all they’re going after the wrong people she conveniently forgotten part of history that the blacks were sold into slavery by the black Muslims of North Africa. They would go into a village and kill everyone who they can sell destroying an entire village strictly to make money. Why should we the American people and that’s all us it doesn’t matter what color you are if you pay taxes your footing the bill, why should we be responsible for what happened 200 years ago!

    There’s only one race in America who has the right to complain about how they were treated, cheated, murdered, and even the victims of genocide carried out by the American government in the Methodist Church and that’s the American Indian. 99.9% of every treaty, which is a legally binding contract, that the American government made with the Indian was broken by the government. The Methodist Church gathered up blankets from cities that were having cholera epidemics hooping cough, scarlet fever they didn’t even bother washing they just gave them to the Indian knowing full well what they were doing. They have a legitimate beef.
    George Zimmerman will be the latest victim on this blatant witchhunt by the radical black community in this poor guy isn’t even white. But he has to pay for defending himself and for not being killed now if Martin had killed him we never when I heard about it. Just like the two reporters that were stopped at a light and a gang of black youth: the car and almost beat them to death. Why witnesses said that white people had no right being in their neighborhood so they were going to pay. Real nice people!

    • Henry Leunissen

      rchguns I agree.  Just too bad we have black “leaders” like Jackson and Sharpton.  They like it this way; it is their bread and butter.  I mean mansions and Cadillacs.

  • shamwil

    siunds like the guy who wote this is caucausian, and he is quite naturally going to defend zimmerman, to begin with, zimmerman had no right to bother that young man, and approach him because he is black, if the shoe was on the other foot, and zimmerman was black, he would have been guilty without reasonable doubt, how is that for thei racist america…..

    • Cherieo3

      shamwil    Come now…I live in a gated community in Florida too.  ANYONE walking down our streets in there who does NOT live there is checked out.  Zimmerman was the watchman for that complex and had every right to check who this person was.

      • shamwil

        Cherieo3 shamwil I dont give a shit who he was, zimmerman  had no business bothering someone because he walked in that area, a person got a right to walk  anywhere, as long as he is not doing anything…he wouldnt had bother no white guy, I dont care how bumish he looks, In this country, blacks are always the criminal element, they even crimininalize young black children to steer them in that direction.    and that shit that wrote he were enslaved by black morth africans, europeans didnt have to go staling into africa looking for slaves…they always finding some kind of excuse and try to make the victime looks as through he is the bad one….

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil Cherieo3   No, they do not have a RIGHT to walk anywhere.  Get this through your head, TM was on PRIVATE property, was NOT a property owner there and  GZ had EVERY RIGHT to challenge him….PERIOD.  That is the law.

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil Cherieo3   By the way, it was BLACKS that originally sold BLACKS into slavery.

        • RalphGaines

          SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3 So what?

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3  I do not know, ask Shamwow above why she brought the topic up

        • shamwil

          SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3 you mean noone can visit anyone anywhere, oh but not in that neightborhood not dominated by black people, he was visitor there, private property to all except those that are black, Oh, I forgot all black men are criminals

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil SilasDoGood Cherieo3  No, Shamwow, it is about PRIVATE PROPERTY and the rights of the HOA to have a NW program.  Do not keep tossing out the race card, it is tiring.

        • shamwil

          SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3  yes those that as captured in wars, but who told the europeans to go and get them day after day, ships after ships…noone told them to get them, and they  was coming to  a hellhole

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil SilasDoGood Cherieo3  Good response – NOT

        • DRLJR

          shamwil Cherieo3  You need to learn the real facts.  If Martin had been walking on the sidewalk Zimmerman would not have been given him a second look.  Martin was acting suspicious by walking into yards and peering into windows based upon the credible reports.  Open your eyes to some real history.

        • JessePeterson

          SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3 And the jews brought them over.

        • JessePeterson

          shamwil SilasDoGood Cherieo3 , no, but a large number of them are.Crime Rates Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Interracial Crime Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Gangs Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Incarceration Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million. Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

        • shamwil

          DRLJR shamwil Cherieo3 Now, That is new one, He walking talking with someone on the telephone, and when he call the police, they told him not to follow, and he did, he had a gun so he was fearless, I have my  eyes open to the real history, not deceptive lies put out there

        • JessePeterson

          shamwil DRLJR Cherieo3 Did you get that from your niq qer news? Zim went back to his truck and the jungle bunny doubled back and sucker punched him.

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil DRLJR Cherieo3   Shamwow, let me say this again and LISTEN!!  FACTS IN EVIDENCE – the Sanford Dispatcher DID NOT TELL GZ NOT TO FOLLOW TM!!  They cannot.  The Sanford PD Dispatcher asked GZ to tell him which way TM went – a defacto question.  Once GZ responded and was asked if he was following TM, the Dispatcher said “We would rather you not do that”!!  There was no “ORDER” for him to stop.  GZ was walking BACK to his truck when jumped by TM.  FACTS IN EVIDENCE.
          Please get the facts before setting fingers to keyboard.

        • shamwil

          JessePeterson shamwil SilasDoGood Cherieo3 that isstatistics based on the racist element of this country, deprive of jobs resources, possibly will commit crimes, but before blacks came to this country you didnt have prisons in africa, blacks are given 20-50% more prison time than whites, more than 60% are for non violent crimes which black man, there is a larege percentage in prison who are innocent and coerce in to confessing for crimes they didnt do,   Read the book worse then slavery, maybe you will learn something,  I dont know where these statistics come from, but most of itt is filter into the public to look at black in a negative like it always have been done

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil JessePeterson SilasDoGood Cherieo3   Shamwow, are you an angry black woman?  Want a better life, do what most do, WORK FOR IT!!!

        • froggy57

          shamwil Cherieo3 It was a gated community and Trayvon had to have illegally climbed a wall to get in. He had no business being there and a watchman would have been derelict in his duty not to have approached and detained him. Zimmermans mistake was that he should have pulled his weapon and cuffed the thug immediately, until he could come with a real good reason for being in a gated neighborhood. People live in gated communities who do not want trash walking around casing their homes. .

        • BobE

          JessePeterson shamwil SilasDoGood Cherieo3 figures lie and liars figure. It has MUCH more to do with poverty than race & minorities are disproportionately poor

        • mckimsey

          froggy57 shamwil Cherieo3  This is not what I read.  Trayvon’s moms fiance lived in the gated community.

        • author5555

          shamwil Cherieo3 BS. He had every right to follow him. And I don’t give a shit about your stupid comments either.

        • SilasDoGood

          froggy57 shamwil Cherieo3 Froggy, please do not post your dribble.  A guest can enter gated communities to visit friends.  NW programs are not to detain, they are to question and challenge – in concert with the authorities.  there are no cuffs for NW reps.  In my gated community, the HOMEOWNERS that support the program, demand (and they can demand, it is our private property) that we be armed.
          Please do not fan the flames of bigotry.

        • ObamaDualer

          shamwil Cherieo3 
          Asking a question is not a felony. Breaking someone’s nose is EVEN if a black person is the one breaking the other person’s nose.
          It looks like Martin bit off more than he could chew. The “Knock Out Game” backfired on him.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          shamwil Cherieo3 Not on private property they don’t. It is called Trespassing and IS illegal.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          SilasDoGood shamwil Cherieo3 The majority of Blacks sold by their own Race were sold to Arab Muslins to be the slaves of the Islamic nation. Well over 10 million were sold to Arabs. Still does not make it right , but these are the facts of Slavery.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          shamwil JessePeterson SilasDoGood Cherieo3 Do you know why there were no prisons in Africa? Because if you did wrong by your peers there were two ways out of the problem. Your peers killed you or banished you, or you were sold into slavery by them to another tribe or another race, particularly to Arabs to be a slave in the Islamic lands.

        • bafrank

          shamwil Cherieo3  You are incorrect and you should really get some therapy for that victim-hood thought process that is eating you up!

        • Henry Leunissen

          Retired USAF MSGT shamwil JessePeterson SilasDoGood Cherieo3 
          Maybe we need to adopt that idea.  We would not need guns, would we?

        • Henry Leunissen

          shamwil Cherieo3 
          I wonder if you would still think this way if you’d see a big guy with a face mask in your back yard at 2 in the morning.

      • author5555

        Cherieo3 shamwil I visited a gated community before and I was checked out. So please shamwill get your fatcs straight. Zimmerman had every right to find out Martin was.

    • author5555

      shamwil shamwil how in the hell do you know. Were you there? No you were not. This was a gated community What reason did Martin have for being there. It is a called a gate community reason lamebrain.

      • shamwil

        author5555 shamwil noone can visited a gated community????, I see plenty of people go and visit a gated community, and dont get shot or killed, he as there to visit his father….

        • JessePeterson

          shamwil author5555 Because he got kicked out of school for being a thieving thug.

        • author5555

          shamwil author5555 One of the witneses testified she asked what Martin was doing there. She quoted Martin as saying, what do you mean. I am angry at your racist america comment. Why don’t you respond to the story of the white baby killed by black teenagers that happened earlier.

        • shamwil

          author5555 shamwil yes that was horrific, but look the times when they use to use black babies as bait down in the bayou country to catch bull alligators,

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil author5555   REALLY, I mean really – where do you get this stuff???

        • author5555

          shamwil author5555 your comment sucks. You did not respond the way I thought you would. Hypocrisy from the far left and most blacks when it comes to races killing one another.

        • shamwil

          JessePeterson shamwil author5555 black kids get suspended twice the rate of whites kids  for doing the same thing, can you prove he was a thug, always wants the black boys to be so docile, he didnt rob or kill anybody….

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil JessePeterson author5555   I ask again shamwil, are you an angry black woman?  Why so angry?

        • metheoldsarge

          JessePeterson shamwil author5555 If you want to be taken seriously by me here is a dimes worth of free advice.  Keep the racial slurs to yourself.

    • author5555

      If you don’t like here then get the hell loser. Sharpton, Jackson and Obama and the balcks of Congress had no business getting involed in this shove your racist crap up your ass.

    • author5555

      shamwil shamwill showing your racist colors. Earlier this year a baby was being taken for a walk by his mother in Georgia and two teenagers approached and shot the baby in the head. The baby was white. The teenagers were black. Not one word from myuor racist president in Obama condeming this shooting. Nothing from the racists Sharpton or Jackson, the BP or the  racists black members of Congress, or the racists MSM condemed this act. But God knows a black is killed by a white and it is nationwide news. What ahppened between Martin and Zimmerman was tragic no two ways about that. But if you want to inject racism into this shamwill, then include that white baby killed by to f- black teenagers. Otherwise shut the hell up. I am fed up with the double standard these racists bring down.

    • JessePeterson

      shamwil yeah, you spooks are never guilty of anything. wWtch captains have the right to approach any hooded thug.

      • shamwil

        JessePeterson shamwil where have you been, we were always guilty of everything and always blamefor eveything and still is

        • author5555

          shamwil JessePeterson BS.

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil JessePeterson   and still “are” not is.  I believe you are wrong.  Please drop the silly racial stuff.  did you not know we have a black president????

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      shamwil How about the FACT that it was Private Property HOA and a Gated Community? As the Community Watch coordinator he had every right on private property to question him in the community’s open areas around the homes. He saw the young man long before he knew what race he was. He had every right to ask a question of a young adult at 230 am in the morning.

  • Henry Leunissen

    Rickygs, not so fast.  We have a lot of trash in this country and Trayon is one example.  Trash needs to be cleaned up.  And do not call me a racist!  The fact that more blacks are like this little hoodlum is not white man’s fault.  Only THEY -the blacks- can fix that by trying to be more like Allen West rather than Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson.  THAT is where the problem lies.  BTW Zimmerman did not pick this guy to be there.

    • shamwil

      Henry Leunissen tell that to the ancestors of the peoples ho wer lynched,castrated, burned alive, raped, laws enforced against the black people of this country, given no jobs,no  resources,  if anyone is trash, it is uou!!!!

      • JessePeterson

        shamwil Henry Leunissen Treeboon never was a slave. He was a thug. So, STFU, ni q qer. He got what he deserved…in spades!

        • shamwil

          JessePeterson shamwil Henry Leunissen how you know he ws a thug, in this socirty, every black person ia a thug, regardless how good or bad he is, face it, this is racist america…..

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          shamwil JessePeterson Henry Leunissen Read Trayvon’s background and then ask that question again.

        • shamwil

          pateboo shamwil JessePeterson Henry Leunissen 
          Kids do things, but he didnt do anything outlandish, I read his history, and it doesnt faze me one bit, black and white kids do things, except  in certain groups it get swept under the rug,  I have heard worse things,

        • SilasDoGood

          shamwil pateboo JessePeterson Henry Leunissen Please drop the race issue Shamwil.  This is not a race issue.  Trayvon Martin – Black…….George Zimmerman……Hispanic.

        • Publius2013

          shamwil JessePeterson Henry Leunissen Speak for yourself, please. If you are a bigot, have the courage of your convictions and admit it. Otherwise, don’t be so silly as to paint your fellow Citizens with a broad brush of such bigotry.
          We are one race, the human race, as our Founder’s declared in 1776. Sadly, it is the evil hearts of sin and tempted mankind, along with Progressives, that devised the LIE of human sub races. Our modern governments should return to our Founder’s understanding.

      • author5555

        shamwil Henry Leunissen I agree.

    • BobE

      Henry Leunissen Zimmerman did not pick this guy to be there??? WTF does that mean? last time I looked this was a free country!

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        BobE Henry Leunissen Not when you are TRESPASSING on Private Property!!!

    • BobE

      Henry Leunissen  I wonder if you’d feel the same way if some armed black men were following unarmed white kids around & after some sort of altercation shooting them?

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        BobE Henry Leunissen Ever walk the Public streets of South Chicago? I have and without my friend who lived there, I would have been shot on the spot. I was even told this by the gang-bangers who were outside on the corner. But, since I was with a “homeboy”, I could stay for a visit at my friend’s Motherrs home.

      • Publius2013

        BobE Henry Leunissen THAT Isn’t the Question. The Question is, IF an armed black adult, who was part of a Neighborhood Watch inside a Gated Community where numerous houses had been broken into by white robbers, questioned a white teenager inside the Gates behaving in a way the NW member deemed suspicious, and the white person sucker punched the black adult, breaking his nose and knocking him down, then straddled him and began trying to beat him to death … and in self defense the NW member killed his attacker after that attacker saw and tried to take his gun … would most if not all of us acquit the armed black man? And the answer is of course.
        Unless the black man after defending his life, then prayed for the dead black kid, because then BobE, you’d be the one claiming the black man was deluded by faith and hearing “voices” in his head telling him to kill white folks!
        Yup, Sarcasm, but just slightly in your case, BobE.

  • SilasDoGood

    for those of you that have NOT taken the time to read the law.  This is NOT STAND YOUR GROUND – This is Justifiable Use of ForceJUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE776.012 Use of force in defense of person.776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.776.031 Use of force in defense of others.776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.776.041 Use of force by aggressor.776.05 Law enforcement officers; use of force in making an arrest.776.051 Use of force in resisting arrest or making an arrest or in the execution of a legal duty; prohibition.776.06 Deadly force.776.07 Use of force to prevent escape.776.08 Forcible felony.776.085 Defense to civil action for damages; party convicted of forcible or attempted forcible felony.776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

    • LetsFindOut

      SilasDoGood He should walk. I will be interested to see if the media brings out the facts and shows that he walked because he should walk.

      • SilasDoGood

        LetsFindOut SilasDoGood   George Zimmerman should be found innocent or guilty based on the FACTS and a jury of 6.  If the facts bear this out, and I PERSONALLY think they will, George defended himself. 
        The lamestream liberal media will slant the FACTS to meet the needs of their handlers, owners and special interest groups.

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood LetsFindOut He will be judged by his peers & he’s innocent until proven guilty. What I cannot understand is if he is found guilty (& I think he is) why should he “walk”????

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          BobE SilasDoGood LetsFindOut You contradict your self EVERY time you write in these blogs. Please go get some sleep and think about it. Your question is so blatantly stupid that you really need to take your meds.

        • LetsFindOut

          SilasDoGood LetsFindOut True. But my point is that unless there is some solid evidence hiding somewhere, then this trial started just to appease the slanted press. Nothing shown so far shows anything but self-defense… In which case, he should walk.

        • govtrumbull

          BobE SilasDoGood LetsFindOut 
          Bob: As far as I am concerned, if Zimmerman is guilty, and the jury says that he is guilty, he should be put into prison and never see the light of day.
          On the other hand, if the jury finds him innocent, can YOU accept their decision?

        • RandyPhillips1

          govtrumbull BobE SilasDoGood LetsFindOut We have accepted the Rodney King and OJ decisions and didn’t riot. Everybody knows that OJ killed his wife and Goldberg, it was just one of those things that the race card was played to a basically ignorant or racist jury. The Rodney King incident would not have gotten nearly the amount of  notoriety had the whole video been played. The first 45 seconds or the video where Rodney attacked the officers first, was not played after a couple days. It changed the whole dynamic of the incident. True the amount of force was excessive, they probably had enough manpower to arrest Rodney without the beating he took, but Rodney started the fight.
          I guess it should be can you accept their decision, if Zimmerman is not convicted of defending himself. If blacks think it is an open warfare on whites like was done at the first of the Zimmerman charges, people may defend themselves against attacks. Flash mobs have been able to operate with little being done to stop them. I don’t think it will be tolerated for long this time.

        • kmilliorn

          RandyPhillips1–Accepted WHAT Rodney King decision and didn’t riot? The rioting following the 1992 acquittal of the police in the Rodney King beating was the worst rioting in the US since the 1960’s.
          On the other hand, I think that the youth today are much less socially involved & less interested in causes & politics, so they will be less likely to riot (unlike the OWS crowd or union activists or the anarchists–who always seem to have profited well from the system they want to overthrow!)

        • RandyPhillips1

          kmilliorn Whites didn’t riot when the officers were acquitted, then were subjected to double jeopardy and convicted, but the blacks did when the officers were turned loose. No one rioted after the OJ trial after we all looked in amazement of how he could have been turned loose. Whites seem to accept most rulings by courts and blacks seem to think it is time to riot when they don’t get their way.

        • kmilliorn

          Randy–Not arguing with you there at all. I remember cowering in the dorms at U of Houston in the summer of 1967, during orientation, when the neighbors a few blocks away were raising Cain–it was scary! I don’t even remember what incited the uproar.
          Yet, look at the anarchists destroying businesses or sports fans going nuts after a championship–by & large, these are white groups out to destroy things largely because they can. “At least” a lot of the black rioters took the opportunity to do some “shopping” at the same time (looting) & not just destroying things.

        • DRLJR

          RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull BobE SilasDoGood LetsFindOut And keep in mind Rodney King was drunk and high.  The other passengers in the car were sitting on the side of the road in handcuffs and had obeyed the police officers instructions.   Based upon the reporting the police did not use excessive force since they were having to deal with a violent man who was actively fighting them.  And from the reports I believe he was high on PCP so that has to be taken into account as well.  Just like this case there was a lot of intentional misinformation created and distortion of the basic facts of the case.  And yes I know about the jury’s decision.

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull BobE SilasDoGood LetsFindOut : Yes Randy you are right, and after Rodney got all the taxpayers money in the million $ law suit, what did he do again???TROUBLE, and OJ, well, he come to Nevada and what happened??JAIL WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE!! Now he wants all his crap back even if he tries to do armed robbery. That Stuff needs to be put together sold and the money belong to GOLDMAN. Well, I am glad he is where he is but it took Las Vegas, Nevada to do it. HA HA  Our cops do not take crap…

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 kmilliorn : YOU ARE RIGHT RANDYPHILLIPS1, I LIVED IN CALIFORNIA THEN. I ALSO SAW OJ, RUNNING FROM THE POLICE IN THAT SUV.

  • SilasDoGood

    I will say this again for this topic:
    I am a proud God-fearing, legal gun packing, marriage-supporting,
    Conservative Republican that recognizes the Constitution of the United States
    of America, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.I see all laws contrary to the above items
    as illegal.I support the military men
    and women of the United States that have fought and died for the freedoms we
    enjoy.I support LEGAL immigration and
    believe that all ILLEGALS in America are enemy combatants and should be treated
    as such and deported.I believe that our
    borders should be secured and no monetary aid provided to any Country that does
    not support the REPUBLIC of the United States of America.I believe that our government works FOR THE
    PEOPLE, is empowered BY THE PEOPLE and needs to be taught the same.I will meet lethal force with lethal force
    and believe that every American has the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to life, liberty and
    the pursuit of happiness.I will
    defend my family to the death and will protect that which is mine against
    anyone that would be stupid enough to try and take it.  I believe in our system of justice and am bound to support the same.  It is sometimes perverted by special interest, but the law remains the LAW. 
    In the matter at hand, The facts will remain the FACTS and the jury will have the final say.  If some choose to riot afterwards, I will treat them as any other, white or black – it is no matter to me.  You break the law, I will defend it and the honest, hard – working taxpayers that follow it.

    • BobE

      SilasDoGood  My guess in you’re a closet homosexual leading the anti gay parade & the ONLY weapon you’ve ever had in your hand is your mother’s C*CK!

      • SilasDoGood

        BobE SilasDoGood   Good one Boob.  Please go away troll.

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        BobE SilasDoGood BOOBIE you are an IDIOT!!!

        • govtrumbull

          Retired USAF MSGT BobE SilasDoGood 
          MSGT: I don’t believe that Bob E. is capable of logical thinking, or abandoning triple X comments.  He has to be either a Muslim radical, or a gang member with a criminal record.  He has a lot of racial rage inside of him.

  • Bob Koomans

    Deuteronomy 19:15 should be the standard for all witness’ evidence. We would like that, if WE were accused of something – whether we erred, or were INNOCENT! – Unfortunately, that rule of law, and many other laws based on biblical precepts, has been changing for quite a while now, and as they (anti-Christ laws made)  now conflict with what God required, our Nations are in a Judicial and Moral crisis! But WHO is responsible? – If we are truthful with ourselves, it was WE, who ignored God’s Laws, and thus having no more HIGHER guidelines to follow, ended up VOTING FOR INFIDELITY! (Against what God ordered). – Thus it IS as the Bible taught, that WITHOUT God’s Law, there can be no CRIME (Sin) — But the Law IS THERE, so there IS sin! (Jesus’ words if any object to that notion)

  • JessePeterson

    Is there an ignore button for the village idiot Ralph Gaines? He”s not all there.

    • author5555

      JessePeterson Ralph Gaines is an idiot.

      • author5555

        JessePeterson I would like to know where all the condemnation was against the black teenagers who killed a white baby earlier this year are from Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, the BP, Congress and the far left racist media. There was not one story about this. Or how about the white reporters attacked in Virginia by a black mob. Still no word fof condemnation rom the aforementioned black racists. And they wonder why racism is so prevalent today. All they have to do is look in the mirror.

    • mckimsey

      JessePeterson  You have been far more inflammatory and nonsensical than anyone on here.  I’ve flagged more than 1 of your comments.

  • RalphGaines

    Ok, so if someone is following you and you are doing nothing wrong, why would you need to call 911?

    • SilasDoGood

      RalphGaines   I would, if for nothing else and as instructed by FHP, to generate a witness.  So when I have to dispatch the guy(s) following me, I have a credible witness in the authorities.  If nothing happens, then the authorities can confront the guys following me.  We all win.

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      RalphGaines If someone was following me, that is EXACTLY why I would call 911. I’d want them to start sending a cop to protect me.

    • SilasDoGood

      RalphGaines   Ralph, during firearms training, I had a FHP officer tell me that if you are going to carry a gun, be prepared to use it.  If you are threatened, and feel that your life is in danger, the first words out of your mouth better be (and at the top of your lungs) “POLICE, SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE – POLICE, SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE”.  Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE that hears this and testifies to the same, will KNOW that the “good guy” was the one screaming for the police.  Bad guys do not usually scream for the police – maybe their mother, but NEVER the police.  these are words I live by EVERY DAY.

      • BobE

        SilasDoGood RalphGaines  I would not expect someone as stupid as you to be able to comprehend that the young black males may have a ‘different” experience with the police than white people

        • SilasDoGood

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines  BoobE, depends…..there are many, many wonderful, law abiding black and white children.  just as there are many, black and white trash.  Stupid knows no color boundaries
          Shame that you do not know the boundaries of STUPID

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines  If you think a white kid  has the same experience with the police as a black kid then you are beyond the boundaries of stupid!

        • SilasDoGood

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines go away BoobE

        • govtrumbull

          SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines 
          Silas and Ralph, I’d like to take another shot (excuse the pun please) at Bob E. 
          Bob, I have no doubt that an well brought up Black kid that happens to live in a Black inner city neighborhood would have a different experience with police than a White kid in a White neighborhood. (We have to compare apples to apples to answer this question.)
          You are right in saying that “A good Black kid will probably treated like a criminal because of the environment that he is brought up in.  No it isn’t “fair,” but it part of the risk that the Black kid has to accept because of the actions of Black gang members who do commit crimes.
          Remember, the good black kid is also harassed by Black gang members as well.  There is a lot of pressure put on good Black kids, from bad Black kids to join in on their criminal activities.  It’s called recruitment, and the gangs really put on the pressure.
          The reason for putting so much pressure on good Black kids, who want to learn and be successful, and achieve their goals is that the ones who are not successful are either jealous of the good Black kid’s success, or they want to have total control of him.
          A successful, hard working and righteous black man that grew up in the inner city among the bad guys deserves the admiration of everyone, no matter what their race happens to be.  The best example of this kind of person is Dr. Ben Carson who happens to be one of the finest brain surgeons in the country.  Read his story and then come back and let us know if you have a different opinion on this subject,

        • govtrumbull

          SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines 
          Bob.  Don’t you have a comeback on this post either?  Tell me where I’m wrong.

        • grafra102

          govtrumbull SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines :Look at great black BASEBALL players! Especially Jackie Robinson, did you all see the Jackie Robinson Story???

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      RalphGaines He never called 911, he called the regular police Department phone. (Non-Emergency Phone line)

    • govtrumbull

      RalphGaines 
      Because the person being stalked has no idea what the stalkers intentions are?  Is that a good enough reason?

  • RalphGaines

    What gave Zimmerman the right to approach him in the first.  Martin was simply walking from the store while talking on the phone.  No question needed to be asked by Zimmerman, other than how is the weather.

    • SilasDoGood

      RalphGaines   If you had REALLY done Neighborhood Watch (like you said you did) you would have asked and answered your own question.  Think about it Ralph.  the question remains the same for all Neighborhood watch programs, Can I help you?  What are you doing here?  All civil questions and hopefully a civil answer – not a “ground and pound”

      • BobE

        SilasDoGood RalphGaines  The problem with neighborhood watch is these losers think they have some kind of authority which they don’t have Kinda like the parking lot attendants at Staples Center X 10! I wonder what would have happened had Zimmerman asked martin the question without being armed & started the altercation & martin pulled out a gun & shot Zimmerman!

        • SilasDoGood

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines Please do not stir the pot just to stir the pot BoobE.  I have your number form other sites and you are always trying to stir the pot.  I feel sorry for you…….

        • SilasDoGood

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines  3500+ comments?  Really?  Got a life?

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines im not on any other site  sorry

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines Boobie …REALLY…. I have conversed with you on so many different blogs and “Sites”. You are always spouting off. Don’t LIE, it is unbecoming of a man to do that.

        • govtrumbull

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines 
          Bob. Most  likely if Martin had killed a White man, the  left wing news would portray Martin as a hero and under the same circumstances, he would have never been charged with a crime in the first place.  Reasonable doubt would still have been the ACE in the deck.

      • RalphGaines

        SilasDoGood RalphGaines If I am walking or driving in a neighborhood as I do from time to time, that does not mean I am up to no good.  Maybe I just like the way the homes look, or maybe I am visiting someone.  Does not mean you have the right to question me, and surely does not mean I need to answer you questions.  Was there a sign that read all others keep out of that particular neigborhood?

        • SilasDoGood

          RalphGaines SilasDoGood   In a gated community, yes it does.  Remember, gated is PRIVATE PROPERTY, including the streets.  The homeowners own the streets, pay to have them maintained and can certainly have someone removed.  I have had people removed by officers, not often, but homeowners can because they own the streets inside the gate.
          Our neighborhood does have signs that say Private Property and trespassers are subject to arrest.  We work closely with the PD and have very few problems.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          RalphGaines SilasDoGood Remember, this was a GATED COMMUNITY, Private Property. There is no right to walk on the streets as it is NOT Public Property. A Neighborhood Watch is designed to protect private property and people who own the private property. There is NO inherent Right to walk in a Gated Community, the exception is the people who own the property, any other use by outsiders is Trespassing and is punishable under the Law.

    • BobE

      RalphGaines Martin had EVERY right in the world to tell Zimmerman to go suck his mother’s D*CK!! Zimmerman is not a cop he has no authority to interrogate people

      • SilasDoGood

        BobE RalphGaines   He has EVERY right to ask questions – please come down form your throne.  There was no interrogation – not even close.  This is private property and HOA’s can have NW programs – this is what a NW program does.  DO not like it, move to a non-gated community.
        And do you really want to use such language?  Does it make you bigger?  Make your family proud?

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood BobE RalphGaines You think putting a gate around your trailer park give you the right to shoot people you;re wrong!

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          BobE SilasDoGood RalphGaines If they beat you and commit a Felony Assault and Battery, when you believe you are going to die because of a Trespasser, who has stated to you that “you will die tonight MFer”, who has NO family owning property within that Gated Community … HE11 Yes.

      • govtrumbull

        BobE RalphGaines 
        A private citizen does have the right to detain, question and use reasonable force, when someone is suspected of a criminal act.  It is called a “citizens arrest,” and it is permitted by law.  Incidentally your descriptive is anatomically incorrect and you are still a pig for saying this remark as well.

    • Publius2013

      RalphGaines As part of the Neighborhood Watch Zimmerman had every right and an obligation to question Martin. Martin, on the other hand had NO right to assault Zimmerman nor to try to kill Zimmerman. Zimmerman, once assaulted and in fear for his life had the Inalienable Right of self defense. He also had that civil right under federal and State constitutions.

  • Ace Cannon

    BobE
    That’s like comparing apples to oranges………..humans to apes cannot be compared like that.

    • SilasDoGood

      Ace Cannon   Really sad BoobE

  • http://dlbailes.com DLBailes

    I am sorry, but Zimmerman should never walk for killing an unarmed child.  I have been following along on the internet with this trial and when they showed the back of Zimmerman’s head that told me the real story.  Zimmerman started the fight with Trayvon Martin and when he Zimmerman realized that this young man was going to kick his butt he shot him dead and started yelling self-defense.  I am not stupid, Zimmerman could never lie to me and get away with it.  That is why I am praying that the real truth will come out in the court room

    • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

      DLBailes You can kill someone with bare hands, so to say he was unarmed, isn’t exactly true. Trayvon was in good physical shape, a 17 year old football player who is used to tackling others. Take a good look at Zimmerman, do you think he’d have stood a chance against Trayvon if he didn’t have the gun, especially given that Trayvon was on top of him and throwing punches?

      • BobE

        pateboo DLBailes Of course not! The gun is what made Zimmerman so brave!

        • http://www.beeflikethemeat.com/ pateboo

          BobE pateboo DLBailes If he was SO BRAVE, why did he say he was calling for help???

      • http://dlbailes.com DLBailes

        pateboo DLBailes Yes Trayvon was on top because Zimmerman started it all.  Zimmerman bit off more than her could handle when he messed with the young man.  I know from my own life experience what it is like to be hassled by a want to be cop.

    • Publius2013

      DLBailes The facts known so far reveal a totally opposite picture than the one you paint. All known facts, so far, support the statement of Zimmerman on that day and of the witnesses since the investigation began. Your comment is therefore without merit.

    • James Star

      DLBailes Excuse please, he was no child! Media posted baby pictures to get race riot started.

    • DRLJR

      DLBailes You need to go back and look at the actual credible reports.  Zimmerman never had any contact with Martin until Martin attacked him.  That is why after charging Zimmerman with Involuntary Manslaughter the charges were dropped.  All of the evidence showed Martin was the attacker and instigator of the sequence of events.

  • Ace Cannon

    SilasDoGood,
    I don’t believe in PC…..I just call ‘em like I see ‘em.

  • jaycrutch

    Zimmerman had no right to use deadly force against a teenage boy armed with nothing but a can of soda and a bag of candy, period.

    • SilasDoGood

      jaycrutch  he had every right to defend himself.  FACTS IN EVIDENCE – Trayvon was on top of George doing a “ground and pound”.  Catch up, read FS 776.012

    • Publius2013

      jaycrutch You are entitled to that opinion, but neither the facts nor the Law support that opinion.

      • SilasDoGood

        Publius2013 jaycrutch   Yes, they do.  Please get a copy of the trial transcripts and read for yourself.  Specifically, see the testimony of Mr. Good.

      • SilasDoGood

        Publius2013 jaycrutch  And while at it, please get a copy of the Florida Statutes, specifically, 776,012

    • DRLJR

      jaycrutch If you are being attacked and the attacker is trying to kill you you have  the right to use deadly force and kill your attacker.  You are ignoring the facts of the case.  Mr Martin attacked Mr Zimmerman and was trying to kill him.  The available evidence shows this.  And remember the picture the parents released did not reflect what Martin looked like.  It was at least 2 years old.  Look at what real information is available and not the made up stuff the anti-Zimmerman forces are creating.

    • bmg28

      You should remove your head and see the daylight. Ha Ha deadly force now that made me laugh. I’d like to see you with a broken nose bleeding from your head being pounded in the cement and not use force to protect yourself. Idiots like you we sure as hell need less of.

    • ObamaDualer

      jaycrutch Maybe you’re not familiar with the law. Actually Z did have the right to use deadly force.

  • Publius2013

    Folks, we are but ONE Race, the Human Race, each of us Created in God’s Image. Ethnicity may be relevant at family reunions and cook offs, but it isn’t before God and Lady Justice.

  • AdrianVance

    Guilty of what?  Getting beaten up?
    See The Two Minute Conservative via Google or: http://adrianvance.blogspot.com and when you speak ladies will swoon and liberal gentlemen will weep.

  • Tonto USA

    How about the 400 years of racism and genocide MY ancestors went through…and still experience.  Note:  It was the BLACKS of the 10th Cavalry that rounded up the Apache hold-outs and took them back to the Rez….or helped ship them off to Florida and then to Oklahoma….never allowing those people to return to their ancestral home and their people.  All that stuff is DRAMA, not truth in facts and actually meaningful.  There are no blacks, or Indians in this country that live anywhere near as deprived of the good things in this life as do people in other countries…like Africa or the Middle East.  All this contrived prejudice and so-called “repression” is manufactured BS ginned up by the left for the purposes of political slavery.  Think about that stuff.

    • Publius2013

      Tonto USA Our ancestors, including mine, paid the debt of slavery visited upon our colonies by England, and perpetuated by BOTH blacks and whites, in the Civil War. The time for healing and uniting our people began with the end of the Civil War. Sadly, mainly southern bigoted democrats in the south had to be chased from office and into hiding during the next 100 years. But still that Debt’s been paid.

      • BobE

        Publius2013 Tonto USA You mean conservative christian bigots living in the bible belt south of the Mason/Dixon line in the south that were once Dems & now are what make up the red states

        • James Star

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA You mean there is no Liberal Christian bigots in the bible belt? Oh no, say its not true! lol If you want to be Atheist thats fine, but do us a favor and quit knocking the Christians. Pick on Islam, they will love you for it! BTW Dont know who your writers are but you have a terrific comedy act! LOL

        • BobE

          James Star BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA Islam is less of a threat to this country than the american Taliban which is christian facists

        • Publius2013

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA No I mean the klansman liar types who claimed to be christians while trampling all Christ stood for and taught. You know them BobE, they are today’s Progressive, liberal elites who either claim to embrace their new social justice gospel, or outright deny God … Like You! But like Satan, folks like you hide behind Lies and deceit.

        • BobE

          Publius2013 BobE Tonto USA The KKK is a christian organization, they proclaim to be Christians, get their inspiration from the bible so who are you to say they are not Christians?

        • Publius2013

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA I am the one revealing that their actions make lies of their words. Since I have seen only your words, you are similar to them though not verifiably the same … yet.

        • nofreebies4u

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA What a load of crap you dumping here. Myself and all of the conservatives that I know are nothing like your stupid talking points describes us to be. Many of us have black friends and we also support black conservative candidates for political office with our votes and our financial contributions. I respect any person of any race who desires to better themselves by working hard and earning their way to a better life. Sorry I don’t have any sympathy for low life thugs, people who are just looking for a handout, who are lazy or attack people that are more successful than themselves. Class warfare is just racist bs. I have done exhaustive research on my ancestors who first came over here starting in 1620. Not one of those persons have ever owned a slave. My ancestors who fought in the American Civil War fought on behalf of the Union Army so neither I nor any of my ancestors owe any race of people anything. Period. When you running your mouth off with phony liberal talking points you destroy even the most microscopic shred of credibility. I have lived in the South for over 60 years and treat people as I wish to be treated myself. Opinions are like butts and yours stinks to high heaven.

        • BobE

          nofreebies4u BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA If you don’t think the south has deep seated racists there then you simply do not know history

        • James Star

          BobE James Star Publius2013 Tonto USA Oh Plezzz, no more, my sides are hurting. Funny man! lol

        • Publius2013

          BobE nofreebies4u Publius2013 Tonto USA I know History, but I take into account both the ancient History AND the modern History, you choose only to recognize whatever History suits your narrative. Shame on you!

        • ObamaDualer

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA 
          Today’s racists live in the inner city. They vote regularly for Democrats and voted 97% for Obama because he is part black and play games such as “The KnockOut Game” where they gang up on an unsuspecting white person and try to knock him out with a sucker punch or worse and then rob him.

        • Evermyrtle

          James Star BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA Boobe pick on the Islam?, he is one of them being paid to be troll on these sites, 24/7 criticizing ridiculing, harassing and lies beyond count. I don’t think he will say anything against the liberal Islamist.

        • govtrumbull

          BobE James Star Publius2013 Tonto USA 
          That is  a racist comment as well. You must be Muslim.

        • govtrumbull

          BobE Publius2013 Tonto USA 
          No Bob.  Wrong again.  The KKK is a racist, fascist organization which is anti Black, anti Jew and anti Christian, White Supremacists..  They follow the precepts of Adolph Hitler.

        • kmilliorn

          govtrumbull–The KKK antedates Hitler–it almost night be more nearly correct to say that HE followed THEIR precepts, except that he extended his hatred even farther & used the dire economic situation in Germany after WWI to his advantage, by using the Jews as scapegoats–much like the KKK used the Reconstruction era & its discontent to gain support. The modern KKK may have morphed into a neo-Nazi organization, however, with more in common with the Aryan Brotherhood than the KKK of old.

        • DRLJR

          kmilliorn Actually the KKK descendents are the current crop of “Progressive” and “Leftist”.  People like Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger – heros of the Left – were dedicated racists who wanted to exterminate all Blacks.  Blacks have sided with the very people who want to exterminate them.  Of course the “Progressives” have been distorting the real history for decades in order to advance their control.

      • Tonto USA

        Publius2013 Tonto USA They never got chased from office friend, they just learned to hide their agenda and morphed into the new democrat/progressive/liberals we are facing today….truly wolves in sheep’s clothing.  The intolerance, bigotry, immorality, racism, hatefulness, dishonesty and hypocrisy are all still readily apparent in their actions and philosophy….just covered and “spun” very well.

  • shamwil

    not racial slurs, just facts…..

  • shamwil

    so I guess alll black men got what the f—-thy deserved, according to you, i guess they will be shooting black men and holler self defense because they got what they deserved, since there is awar against these men

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   Shamwil, we tire of your racist issues.  All men are created equal.  If you want riches in America, work for it as many of us have.  get an education by any means possible, get a great job that you live, surround yourself with family, obey the law.  If you live in the past, you will perish in the past.
      What war do you speak of?  Middle East?  Syria?  Where is there a war against black men?  In your mind, maybe.

  • shamwil

    I sorry to hear that, i wouldnt want any child to be killed whether black or white, but dont tell me to shut the hell up, not the amount of black  women men, children that was killed in this country……

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   Enough already Ms. Drama Queen.  I do not believe that anyone wishes someone else killed.  No one is asking you to shut up, just get off the racial kick – it make you look foolish.

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      shamwil What about the 800,000 white and black men and women that died during the Civil War that freed all of the slaves in this country? Does that not matter to you? Please it was over 150 years ago and it really is time to get over it and come into the fold of a citizen of the United States and act civilized as a citizen should. Beating anyone while they are on their back pinned to the ground is a Felony assault and battery, and cannot be condoned by any law abiding citizen. The one on the ground has the Right to defend himself or herself instead of rolling over and being murdered. Please wake up and smell the roses. This country must stay as one if we ever want to remain a country. Every person has the Right of Self-Defense. White, Black, Asian, Native American it does not matter as long as they are defending oneself against a felony assault and battery.

  • shamwil

    yes, we have a black president, and it be all on the airways, how he treated, disrespect, and they go against everything that he does, like what jackie robinson went through to infiltrate the major leagues

    • BobE

      shamwil If Obama was white these dipshits would be carving his image on Mount Rushmore!

      • nofreebies4u

        BobE He is half white or didn’t you read his secret life history? The only way Obama will ever be on Mt. Rushmore is by someone using graffiti.

      • govtrumbull

        BobE shamwil 
        No Bob, if Obama’s image was to be carved anywhere, it would be on the Kremlin Wall.

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   Mr. Obama brought this on himself.  Try to follow this.  He is being handled by George Soros and the likes of Bill Ayres.  Obama is nothing more than a puppet for the socialist agenda.  He is hated, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, but because he wants to destroy America and is doing it by placing man against man.  He is dividing America, not by black and white, but by red and blue.

    • nofreebies4u

      shamwil He is half black. Ignoring his white half is quite racist. Jackie Robinson was an accomplished athlete, probably a man of honor and an inspiration to many people. Obama is a lazy, community agitator, a master of deceit  lies  and division who despises the heritage of America. There are many fine outstanding black people in this country. Unfortunately Obama isn’t one of them. The sad thing is that he is screwing things up so badly here that it may be a long time before a deserving highly qualified black person ever reaches that office again.

  • shamwil

    and when they were going down in the hull of the ship in chains , the priest was  blessing them , infidals,…they came over on ships named  the good ship jesus, and hail mary….please give me a break….

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil OK, shamwow, now you are just a moron.  Infidels?????  Really  Read my lips – Get off Facebook, close your Twitter account and please go back to achool

    • Publius2013

      shamwil Actually, it is Historic FACT that the first black slave brought to America was brought here by a black man. Sadly, few Americans know the true History of slavery in America, and very few blacks know this History. We need to return to teaching Facts and Truth in our schools, as well as virtue, morality, and Integrity.

      • Marilynn Reeves

        At last someone who knows their history.  He got the tribes all stired up so he could sell the captives. So he had blacks hunting blacks to sell to a black man so that black man could line his pockets on the other side of the water.  Must have been an Obama relative

      • DRLJR

        Publius2013 shamwil Or that the first slave owner was a former African indentured servant and the first slave was a White indentured servant.  Or that the Aricans sold to the Portuguese (originally) would have been killed by the Africans as they were excess property and the Africans who took them as slaves did not need them.  Or that the slave trade is still going on in Africa today being run by Africans.  But pointing out these facts undermine the “Left” and pseudo-Civil Rights groups claims that Black-Americans are being victimized by racism every day.  
        Until Black-Americans stop making excuses for the bad behavior of other Black-Americans they will continue to lose economically, socially and politically.   But the “Left” has been working to exterminate Blacks since at least Woodrow Wilson’s time.  That is one reason Planned Parenthood (and it predecessor organizations) was created by Margaret Sanger – a known racist praised by Adolf Hitler.

    • ObamaDualer

      shamwil Blacks want slavery – which was a worldwide practice – to be a perpetual ticket to doing whatever they want without consequences. 
      The US was one of the FIRST nations to abolish slavery. Slavery is still practiced and is still legal in parts of Africa. Yet blacks are proud of their African heritage that practices what they abhor.

  • shamwil

    where you get that shit from???????  in denials,   so call spooks are always guilty  of everything, while the caucasians get away

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   Did I tell you I am black????  Please do not offend our race any further.  Wow, a BLACK lawyer…go figure.  Now get off your fat ass nigg_ (I can call you that) and get an education.  You embarrass our race.

      • kmilliorn

        Silas–You have both medical AND law degrees? I am impressed!

        • SilasDoGood

          kmilliorn  Nope, just law.

      • grafra102

        SilasDoGood shamwil : WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE, WHY DID YOU NOT FINISH THE “N” WORD, AFFRAID IT WOULD NOT BE PRINTED???

        • SilasDoGood

          grafra102 SilasDoGood shamwil   No, I wrote it three times and the BOARD censored it three times.  LOVE the word NIGG_A, but the board will not let me print it.

  • shamwil

    Thanks for the advice……..but your words are irrlevant to me

  • AntonioSosa

    Can Zimmerman get a fair trial? Obama and his media (most of
    the media) convicted George Zimmerman hours after the incident. That media
    altered photos, audio tapes and videos to convince us that Zimmerman was a
    racist criminal. Zimmerman and his family have been terrorized by angry mobs
    since the incident. Are jurors going to be equally terrorized by angry mobs if
    they decide Zimmerman is not guilty?
    If Zimmerman can’t get a fair trial, can anyone of us expect
    a fair trial if the dictator and his media decide to go after us? May God help
    us defend ourselves from the U.S. hating Marxist in the White House and his
    media!

    • SilasDoGood

      AntonioSosa  you have to TRUST the Legal system.  While there are those that pervert the courts, it is the only one we have and it is better than most countries.  Write your Senators, peacefully protest, be herd and demand honesty.  the rest is in Gods hands……

      • AntonioSosa

        SilasDoGood AntonioSosa TRUST the Legal system? I would were it not for Obama, his comrades and his media. Obama’s media altered  photos, audio tapes and videos to FOOL people and promote the racial hate that helps Obama’s campaigns. Some people are still referring to Martin as a “child” and don’t realize that Martin was almost 6′ tall while Zimmerman is only 5′7″ or 5′8.″
        Obama’s media outlet were showing altered photos of Zimmerman and claiming he had not been hurt at all. They erased the part of the audio tape that indicated Zimmerman was not sure the person he was following was black, etc., etc.

        • SilasDoGood

          AntonioSosa SilasDoGood  Obama is a moron, not evil.  He is the puppet of those that have been working to destroy America for over 100 years.
          Do you think that Obama is smart enough to do all this?  I assure you he is a moron.  Obama does not control the liberal media, they control him

        • AntonioSosa

          SilasDoGood AntonioSosa, George Soros and other U.S. enemies control Obama and the media. As George Soros is truly EVIL, so is Obama and his media
          !

        • BobE

          SilasDoGood AntonioSosa a moron straight outta Harvard Law!

        • grafra102

          SilasDoGood AntonioSosa :WELL PUT!!

        • grafra102

          BobE SilasDoGood AntonioSosa :  :)

    • kmilliorn

      AntonioSosa–From the failure of the prosecution witnesses to give much support to the prosecution’s case thus far, it looks like there is little risk of Zimmerman’s being convicted. The most frequent comment I’ve heard is that many thought they were hearing DEFENSE witnesses today, rather than prosecution witnesses! In many cases in which there is a lack of witnesses, forensic evidence fills in the gaps, but in this case, there isn’t much of that other than photos of Zimmerman’s & Martin’s injuries, whose significance are open to some interpretation. We might even argue that, in the absence of many firsthand witnesses & any real forensic evidence, it might be best for the judge to issue a directed verdict–except that would likely cause a huge uproar, by bypassing a jury verdict.

    • grafra102

      AntonioSosa : AMEN!!

      • grafra102

        AntonioSosa : What I heard of the trial on CNN, not all the truth was told, and what his neighbors had testified seems to me to be competent, because of George Zimmerman’s injuries. I am a neighborhood watch block captain and I have seen some creepy things going on but my GUN IS MY CELL PHONE. if MY LIFE WAS A STAKE I WOULD SHOOT TOO!! I also want to express I took the NORTH LAS VEGAS CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY AND WENT ON TWO RIDE ALONGS, and people do not realize what the JOHN CITIZEN  does out there and I had my eyes opened..Also in my neighborhood, which involved whites, Mexicans, and blacks, and I just keep in eye on my community and I try to keep it CLEAN. There are bad apples in every color, race..Last but not least, that is why at first I was not liked very well, and someone tried to poison my dog also, because I started the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH.. Have a blessed day…:)

    • Jeff93

      AntonioSosa Your not kidding!

    • grafra102

      AntonioSosa : I have to comment on your comment::::::VERY GOOD AND TO THE POINT. You are so right, we all know why “THE ZIMMERMAN FAILY”  was terrorized don’t we. I have been called a “RACIST” EVEN IN MY CHURCH. You see that is how MOBS try to get even but guess what it all comes back one way or another. Feces hits the fan and boy it sure STINKS!! God Bless..:)

      • enubus

        grafra102 AntonioSosa 
        well said

  • shamwil

    YOU GOT IT?????????

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil  got What child?

  • Bull57

    Why are talking heads evaluating the daily ongoings of court instead of regular folks and I guess woman. Humm, no attorneys on the jury are there?

    • SilasDoGood

      Bull57  it makes for good liberal fodder for fools.

  • shamwil

    No ,I dont  live in the past,  but to understand what is going on today, you need to understand history which have lead up to the events of what is going on today,   a nation who dont remember it past is doom to repeat it….is that what you want ???/

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil  Do you even understand what you have written?  Again, why are you so angry.  Do something constructive, not DESTRUCTIVE.  You do live in the past with the hatred you spew.  You are no different than any other “hater” when you spew this garbage.  Slavery ENDED YEARS AGO.  I am over it, you should be as well.

  • shamwil

    how am I offending the race, are you ashamed and embarass of what you are?????,

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil  No, I am PROUD of who I am, what I do, who I help and the thanks a(nd BIG MONEY) I receive.  With all your hatred and poor grammar, you play right into the hands of those that listen to your hatred.  YOu GIVE then reason to believe and spew racism.

    • grafra102

      shamwil : :(

  • shamwil

    Yes , slavery thas ended, but the traces and elements of it  are still embedded in this society

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil  and always will be until people like you STOP hating and learn how to make it better.

      • grafra102

        SilasDoGood shamwil : YOU MAKE IT BETTER!!

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      shamwil Isn’t it time to stop after 150 years? I believe it is ignorance of the facts that perpetuate this type of thinking. While I was in the military it was not allowed or condoned to speak in this manner. You know what? It actually worked most of the time. Those traces were not condoned and therefore were punished when it was brought up. It does not have to be condoned or embedded in society at all. It is a mental block that needs to be eradicated  to move forward and get the mindset changed that we “white” people keep those “others” down.

      • grafra102

        Retired USAF MSGT shamwil : THANK YOU SARG::
        AIR FORCE VETERAN:)

    • AntonioSosa

      shamwil What I see is blacks like you discriminating against whites, particularly against white men, and thinking that you have the right to discriminate. Racism against whites is rampant among blacks like you. It’s RACIST people like you who voted for a U.S. hating Marxist only because he’s half black and are responsible for having that U.S. hating Marxist destroying our economy, our freedoms and our country

    • Publius2013

      shamwil It may remain in a small minority of people’s hearts. But it is enabled by those who make money and peddle influence on the back of division and bigotry … Progressive/Liberal/democrats mostly. But it is called out every time it rears its head within those claiming to be republicans. A REAL Inconvenient TRUTH.

    • nofreebies4u

      shamwil Only as long people cling to keeping the memory of it alive and well. How many generations does the victim game have to last before someone finally moves on and tries to make something of their life? Time to move on.

  • shamwil

    I dont hate anybody, I wasnt on here calling anybody names, b( like the rest of them was doing)  just stating my facts…. the truth hurts doesnt it????

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   If only you knew the truth…..Again, you embarrass our race with your hatred.  It is not about calling names, it is about what is in your heart….and yours has some deep seated hatred.  Girl, get up, get out and be a proud successful – did I say PROUD African American!!!    I LOVE me, I love the people I help and I have the respect of my peers.

      • grafra102

        SilasDoGood shamwil : GREAT COMMENT!!

    • grafra102

      shamwil : WHAT TRUTH??

  • shamwil

    They started it, I am sorry that you dont know yourself, you must have self hate, not me……

  • mlw975

    Some just keep th hate gon, 4 power usually. Greed of power is far more dangerous thn anything else I think.

    • grafra102

      mlw975 : SPELLING?? CHECK IT OUT!!

    • ragnarok65

      mlw975 It took some effort on my part, but I think I got your intended message. (Keeping the hatred going between people is a distraction that somehow benefits those in power. And the lust for power is far more dangerous, than the distractions.)

      • DouglasMRoy

        ragnarok65 mlw975  Exactly right! Obama and his minions love this stuff. It takes the spotlight off them as they pilfer our rights and money by the billions. Same with Repubs and Dems, no matter who is in power, both stealing us blind, robbing our pockets and our children’s piggy banks, while we worry about some small criminal activity. We cannot even comprehend how they are destroying our country’s wealth and morals and liberties. It boggles the mind.

  • shamwil

    You calling me a racist, you are the one that the racist, trying to put you faults on someone else, I dont spew racial hatred, and I dont discriminate, so dont lie on me,  and spew your venow on me,   why dont you look at waht the others are saying because you dont know me,

    • SilasDoGood

      shamwil   I will pray for you Shamwil.  Try to make your family proud.

    • grafra102

      shamwil : HEY, WHERE DID YOU GET YOU EDUCATION?? YOU CAN NOT EVEN SPELL!! GO TO SCHOOL BUDDY!!

  • KathyMartel

    According to the blacks, if a person don’t even like black pants, he’s a racist.  However, a bullet to the nuts would have stopped the commotion.  I know a good squeezing hand full of them will take command.

  • SilasDoGood

    Good night to the Board, thank you for your comments and insight, except BobE.  Try to do something good tomorrow.  Help someone in need and pray that justice is served.

    • BobE

      SilasDoGood C’mon, you’re not black! Otherwise your name would be Uncle Tom!

  • shamwil

    people like you who is always hollering someone is hating on someone is because they are haters themselves, and dont says anything else to me

    • Ace Cannon

      shamwil
      Shamwil you must have gone to school with Rachel Jantel.

      • grafra102

        Ace Cannon shamwil : AGREED!!

    • grafra102

      shamwil : How much education do you have??? What a STUPID COMMENT!! :(

  • Publius2013

    Some talking head TV commentator just voiced his view that this trial is likely to last several WEEKS! OMGosh. If the Prosecution team draws this out that long it will be because they toss in a mess of irrelevant stuff in an attempt to confuse the Jury. Were I the defense team I’d rest once the Prosecution rests, and motion for the Judge to enter a directed verdict of Not Guilty by reason of self defense AND based upon the facts the Prosecution failed to prove any element of their charges.

  • PaulBrown1

    The courts are trying to make an example of Zimmerman and paint him as a hater and aracist, when this Martin was a little punk pig causing trouble and deserved what he got. I can tell you he won’t be doing that anymore.

    • Smilee

      PaulBrown1 What trouble do you think Martin caused???????????

      • Conservativesniper

        Smilee PaulBrown1 Trespassing and assault.

        • kmilliorn

          Conservativesniper–Martin was not trespassing–he was the guest of a resident (his father’s girlfriend). Do you think it impossible that he felt threatened by Zimmerman–an unknown, armed man, who followed him & confronted him when he was minding his own business? None of us was there & the “facts” are not crystal clear.

        • Jeff93

          kmilliorn Normal people don’t jump other people and smash their head on concrete like Martin did!  Zimmerman didn’t confront Martin, stop watching NBC!  Not Guilty! Easy!

        • ragnarok65

          kmilliorn Trayvon Martin was UNKNOWN to Zimmerman, but he was KNOWN by Zimmerman to NOT be a resident.

        • govtrumbull

          kmilliorn 
          The statement that “none of us were there and the facts are not crystal clear,” constitutes reasonable doubt, and contradicts the first part of your statement. Sorry!

        • Publius2013

          kmilliorn No evidence exists that indicates Martin knew Zimmerman was armed PRIOR to Martin assaulting and straddling Zimmerman.  I do not find it the least bit credible that a visitor to a Gated Community would “feel” threatened simply by being questioned by the Neighborhood Watch.

        • kmilliorn

          Jeff93–Were you there to see what the sequence of events was that led to the fight? How do you know that Zimmerman didn’t fall onto the concrete after attacking Martin? We have only Zimmerman’s word that Martin attacked him without provocation. It’s very easy to put all the pieces together in one way, but there are other ways to explain the injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head.

        • Publius2013

          kmilliorn So you suggest that Zimmerman’s broken nose and scalp lacerations were WHAT, self inflicted? We have eye witness testimony that Martin was straddling Zimmerman and giving him an MMA like beat down. This eye witness testimony directly matches Zimmerman’s statements to police on the day of the incident.

        • kmilliorn

          The first part of my statement is factual–Martin was returning to the home of his father’s girlfriend. Since she was a resident in the community, Martin was not an outsider who had wandered in to do mischief.

        • Publius2013

          kmilliorn Regardless of why Martin was in the Gated Community … he instigated the confrontation, assault, and beat down that led directly to Zimmerman killing him in self defense. This is really neither a difficult nor close case. I find it interesting and amazing how so many view it differently, even when presented with the actual facts.

        • kmilliorn

          Are you the missing witness who can testify to exactly how the confrontation went down, then? You know for a fact that Martin instigated the whole thing? How are you documenting your “actual facts”? No one saw Martin banging Zimmerman’s head into the sidewalk–he could have gotten exactly the same scalp injury by falling onto the sidewalk or by falling backward into a brick or stucco wall. You are accepting Zimmerman’s version of events as gospel truth, & we all know that defendants on trial for murder always tell the whole truth.
          Zimmerman, however will & should be acquitted, not necessarily because he is innocent, but because there is insufficient evidence to convict him.

        • Smilee

          Conservativesniper Smilee PaulBrown1 If it was trespassing it was Zimmerman who trespassed and assault is not a crime in self defense it is self defense. I’m betting he gets convicted!!

        • LetsFindOut

          kmilliorn In a country of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, even under your scenario, he should not be found guilty.

        • LetsFindOut

          kmilliorn And then what, he forgot where she lived so he was looking into windows trying to find a familiar face?

        • Conservativesniper

          kmilliorn Explain them then. How did Zimmerman get multiple lacerations on the back of his head?

        • Conservativesniper

          Smilee Conservativesniper PaulBrown1 Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch, idiot. This means he was accepted by the community as being allowed to be there. And how was lil trayvon defending himself? He was the attacker. Too bad he can’t testify to his actions, but being stupid enough to instigate a fight has consequences. Zimmerman strikes me as a guy looking for some appreciation from his neighbors. He’ll walk.

        • Conservativesniper

          kmilliorn Zimmerman had multiple lacerations to his scalp. There is photographic evidence of this. Zimmerman would have needed to fall and injure his head multiple times. You argument doesn’t pass the smell test.

        • Conservativesniper

          kmilliorn No, trayvons fathers girlfriend did not live in the gated community in which he was shot. Provide your source of STFU.

        • kmilliorn

          Conservative sniper–I remember both reading & hearing this from several sources at the time of the incident. It is also on Wikipedia & many other sites on a quick Google search. The woman was the father’s fianceé & lived in a town home, which Martin had visited several times before. Got it?

        • Conservativesniper

          None of your statement is factual. Trayvon’s daddy’s squeeze did not live in the gated community. Therefore, lil Trayvon WAS trespassing. The gate on the community indicates he was trespassing.  He was trespassing through private property.

        • kmilliorn

          ConservativeSniper–You’re way off target. Numerous sources (NY Times,USA Today, Wikipedia, others) detail that Martin was staying with his father & the father’s fiancée at the town home that she was renting in the compound, not far from where he was shot. You can see the site on a map on these sites. Is this factual enough for you?

        • grafra102

          Jeff93 kmilliorn : AMEN JEFF93//

        • grafra102

          ragnarok65 kmilliorn : I AGREE!!

      • ObamaDualer

        Smilee PaulBrown1 
        Martin punched Z in the face breaking his nose. Then he banged Z’s head against the sidewalk.
        Sort of like the “KnockOut Game” but this time the perp bit off more than he could chew. Martin lost at the KnockOut Game.”

        • Smilee

          ObamaDualer Smilee PaulBrown1 Self defense against an armed  stalker, Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew and in his Predicament he chose to murder Martin, had he not staked him both would alive and there would be no trial now. Stalkers are usually also bullies.

        • Publius2013

          Smilee ObamaDualer PaulBrown1 There was NO stalker involved in this incident. There was a Neighborhood Watch Member and a young man who confronted, assaulted, and was straddling and pummeling that Neighborhood Watch Member. Fortunately, for Zimmerman, he was lawfully carrying a concealed weapon, which he used to defend his life, which resulted in the death of T Martin.

        • ObamaDualer

          Smilee ObamaDualer PaulBrown1 
          You’re just mad because Martin played the Knockout Game and lost.
          Some advice for you, no one is allowed to punch another person in the face simply because the other person asks you what you’re doing here.
          Violate that rule and you might end up dead.

      • Retired USAF MSGT

        Smilee PaulBrown1 Felony Assault and Battery with intent to do bodily harm or death. How is that for a charge? The truth is that is what he would have been charged with if he had lived.

        • Smilee

          Retired USAF MSGT Smilee PaulBrown1 
          An armed Zimmerman was stalking Martin and he  was defending himself from a stalker and that is not felony assault and battery It was self defense. Zimmerman could have gone home from the convenience store and not followed him as he witnessed Martin doing no crime and no crime has been alleged of Martin not even by Zimmerman. Zimmerman is a stalker and murderer. pure and simple.

      • grafra102

        Smilee PaulBrown1 : A TROUBLE MAKING PUNK. Why was he in between houses and snooping and making sure coast was clear. and guess he saw he was being watched, and the all feces happened. GZ will be aquitted,!!

  • grafra102

    I have been watching the trial and I believe that George Zimmerman will be innocent!!

  • polarisgold

    He must be found innocent……if he is found guilty its only because of politics’s and that ought to be a crime. Why doesn’t anyone mention the fact that if Trayvon had not been trespassing he’d be alive today!! Gated communities are GATED for a reason.

    • kmilliorn

      polarisgold–Trayvon Martin was not trespassing. He was the guest of a homeowner in the compound–his dad’s girlfriend, to whose home he was returning from the convenience store.
      It is unclear whether Zimmerman ever identified himself as a neighborhood watchman, or whether Martin may have thought he was being followed by someone who was a threat to HIM. we do know from Zimmerman’s call to the police station that he was told to NOT follow & confront Martin, but he ignored that instruction. Why? Zimmerman had a choice at that point & chose wrongly. Martin likely responded out of fear & bravado. There were errors on both sides, but only one of them ended up dead & only one gets to tell his side of the story–so he will almost certainly go free.

      • ragnarok65

        kmilliorn Zimmerman was told by a DISPATCHER, a position not normally filled by a sworn officer. Dispatchers have no authority to issue  orders to civilian callers.

        • grafra102

          ragnarok65 kmilliorn : CORRECT!!

      • SukieRM

        kmilliorn A dispatcher said, “we don’t need you to do that” (follow.) That is not a stand down order from police.  And even if it was, showing interest in someone is not a crime, and one is not required to take a brutal beating simply because you did so.  Perhaps you are right, there were errors on both sides.  But it is not a crime to show interest in someone, to call the police, to follow, or to look at someone.  There is no evidence that GZ confronted TM.  But so far there IS evidence that GZ was getting a brutal beatdown.  He had a right to protect himself.  There is no good end to this story, regardless.  Many lives ruined.  But this story wasn’t about race until the media made it so, and that is wrong.

        • grafra102

          SukieRM kmilliorn : UNTIL THE MEDIA stuck in right!!!

      • Publius2013

        kmilliorn Your claim that Zimmerman ignored the instruction not to follow, is simply incorrect. He in fact ceased following and was returning to his vehicle when Martin followed, confronted, and assaulted Zimmerman. These are the key FACTS.

    • ElizabethClark

      polarisgold that’s the clue right there

    • grafra102

      polarisgold : As GZ said in the tape he(martin) was in the gated community doing just what he was not suppose to do. Going in between houses, snooping, and the one with the windows and door open, and looking to see if the coast is clear. Good for GZ.. to be out there to protect his community..Hey, he had the balls to take up against this THUD PUNK!!!

  • Johnnysw

    First place Trayvon Martin wasn’t just strolling down the side walk. He was walking around houses under the eaves of houses trying to stay out of the rain. When he was confronted by George Zimmerman all he had to do was keep his cool and explain his reason for being there. At worst Police would arrive and interview and released martin if he was o.k. to be there. No Trayvon Martin couldn’t do that, he even indicated to his girlfriend via phone that a cracker was following him which in my book tells me that Trayvon Martin had issues with other races himself. Trayvon Martin placed himself in the position that led to his death. I not happy that Zimmerman shot the young man, but Trayvon Martin caused his own death by attacking Zimmerman.

    • Jeff93

      Johnnysw First off, Zimmerman, who was an over zealous Kojiak, didn’t confront Martin, he was told by 911 to go away and was just stating to when Martin who had circled around, jump Zimmerman and beat him! This time the jury won’t be listening to NBC’s digitially enhanced 911 recording that they changed, (sounds like a huge lawsuit for Zimmerman)! Also, even if he were (somehow) found guilty, he’ll walk on the Appeal! Because there won’t be the Press Coverage! Your right, I think about the last part, that Martin caused his own death!

      • AZDon

        Jeff93 Johnnysw
        I suspect Martin saw Zimmerman’s return to his car as a retreat or weakness and that is why he attacked. Perhaps he interpreted it as fear. If he had attacked me I would have done the same thing. Zimmerman had both a purpose and a reason for being there and being suspicious of Martin.
        Any time someone attacks you you have reason to fear personal harm. Furthermore, it can be seen as a threat on you life. By protecting yourself you are breaking no law. That is why guns are necessary it was the equalizer in this case. All men are created equal Samuel Colt keeps them that way! Martin had no reason to attack Zimmerman other then the fact he was a bully and hated crackers. Consequently, if the blacks want it to be raciest we can make it that way.

    • RandyPhillips1

      Johnnysw How do you know that Martin was trying to just stay out of the rain? Fact: we know that Martin was a thief, a drug user, and or possible drug dealer. Fact: Martin was also out violating curfew laws, being out at 2am. Fact: Martin had lost his stash of stolen women’s jewelry, weed, tools to break in places with, and a possible amount of cash, when the school confiscated them in his locker. Fact: we know from Martin’s cell phone recordings and text messages, that Martin hung around with a gang of youths that also stole merchandise and like to beat up people. He also had pictures of a pistol that it is unsure if Martin himself was trying to purchase. If Martin was trying to purchase the firearm, it would have been done illegally. I think there was a picture of Martin holding a firearm in his hands. These pieces of evidence have not been allowed in the court room at this time, except Martin being out at 2am.
      There are questions that have not been asked that should be, such as, where did the money come from for the tattoos that Martin had? I’m no expert on that subject, but at the detail of a couple of them, I would say he had to pay at least a couple hundred dollars for them. This kid had near perfect teeth at twelve years old, but had a gold tooth display that would cost a few thousand dollars at the time of the shooting. Who paid for this? Who was going to pay for the pistol, if Martin was trying to purchase one? Even though the pistol he was looking at was possibly a cheaper handgun, to buy it illegally would still cost him several hundred dollars. The kid didn’t have a job to bank any money on these things. So was the reason the kid was out at that time of night was to find things to steal? I find it hard to believe that someone would allow this kid out at that time of night, just to get some candy and something to drink. I also find it hard to believe that a kid with this type of background that his only motive for being out was just to get something to drink and get candy. Someone should have taken him to the store to prevent being picked up for curfew violations, if he had that bad a want for something.  
      The real problem I am having is why his parents can’t see why he got shot. Martin may have been unarmed, but used the sidewalk as a deadly weapon. He was a thief and hung out with a bunch of violent kids. Martin had texts on his telephone that had him bragging about knocking people out. By now, there has been enough time for them to have found out everything the kid has done. So why do they put up this charade? I think investigators should be looking into the financial records of the parents. There may be someone like Jesse, Sharpton, or Soros paying them to keep up this persona. Then the question is how much are they being paid by whom? I can’t understand how his parents could be that ignorant that they think their darling little hoodlum child is supposed to be innocent of everything.

      • Jeff93

        RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw Actually, his parents are divorced and they’ve been divorced for quite a while, in fact, his mothers name is not Martin anymore!  Also, they have already sued & come to a settlement with the Housing Development Owners for something like 6 Million Dollars!  And I think Obama, the Democratic Party, the Joseph Goebbels Media and Sharpton & Jesse Jackson & others are all pushing this charade, this Witch Hunt!

        • ElizabethClark

          Jeff93 RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw exactly like obummer said it could have been my son, what a fake presbo we have

        • RandyPhillips1

          Jeff93 RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw  I knew the parents were either divorced or just living together to have had Trayvon and have separate names, but it still doesn’t relinquish them from the responsibility of making sure their child knew right from wrong. They sound as though neither really knew what their child was doing. One or both of them should have been notified about Tray’s being suspended from school and why. A responsible parent would not allow their child to be out at that time in the morning, especially when he could have been put in juvenile prison. They should already have known he was a thief and was using drugs. that would have been more reason to not allow Tray to run around with the boys he was with.

        • Publius2013

          Jeff93 RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw Hard to understand why the Housing Development Owners would settle. T Martin was the only one culpable in this. Sad really, how right and wrong matters less and less once Insurance, Attorneys, and the government become involved.

      • govtrumbull

        RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw 
        The bottom line in this, and other cases like it, is being politically correct.  There is fear involved if this jury does not find Zimmerman guilty of murder.  Zimmerman has to be found guilty to appease political correctness or there will be hell to pay.  Zimmerman will never have a normal day in his life no matter what the jury decides in this case.  He is now a target of those who won’t accept an innocent verdict, no matter what the facts are.
        The case has to be decided by the jury,  It isn’t within anyone else’s ability to make the jury’s decision for them.  It is the way our justice system works.  In this case Zimmerman loses either way.

      • grafra102

        RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw @RandyPhillips1: WOW YOU SAID IT ALL!! I could not have done better myself…

        • RandyPhillips1

          grafra102 RandyPhillips1 Johnnysw I did have to change part of my statements. I was notified by the author of another article that most of my assumptions were correct, except the timeline. The incident happened at 7:30 pm. Supposedly Tray was to have been staying at his father’s girlfriend’s place, which was only about 60 yds from the shooting. The question is: why didn’t TM run and hide from police? He was at the place he was supposed to be staying, yet he turned back to confront GZ. From what some people have said that GZ was the aggressor for getting out of his vehicle, it sounds to me as though TM put that square back in his box. What it boils down to is that if TM wasn’t trying to be a little prick about it, he might still be alive. Bad choices have bad results.

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 grafra102 Johnnysw @ RandyPhillips:: You are right.

  • MarkGamblin

    Yes he did! If you confront me with a soda and a bag of candy, then try to assault me with your fists, I will cap you faster than you can say spit!

    • AZDon

      MarkGamblin 
      That makes two of us!

  • Evermyrtle

    There should not even be such a trial, it was so obvious self defense. He was almost killed himself If he had not had that gun he would be the one dead. If that had happened there would not even be such a trial.

    • Ace Cannon

      Evermyrtle YOU ARE SOOOOOOOO CORRECT!!!!

      • Evermyrtle

        Ace Cannon Evermyrtle If it had not been cemented already that Zimmerman was guilty, that “It might have been my son” by the Kenyan, did it. There is no greater racist than this  hater of JESUS CHRIST  and America, illegal president.

    • AZDon

      Evermyrtle
      I suspect that is correct. The reason he was not arrested for 44 days is it was obviously self defense. The only reason he was arrested was politics. The same time this went down over 150 people were murdered, black on black in south side Chicago. No word about that in the lame stream media.
      If the blacks riot because Zimmerman is acquitted they will prove nothing but their ignorance. If they want a war bring it on, no uniforms will be necessary. The current administration has set race relations back to the civil war era. That’s to bad because some are exceptional people.

  • captainjimgreen

    Unfortunately, in our modern world where Sports has become almost a religion and it’s my team against your team. If Zimmerman is acquitted, the other team’s fans will go crazy and probably riot… crying “bad call by the refs.” They don’t care about the facts or who’s right and who’s wrong… they just want to “win.” Sad for America that we have such people…

    • ElizabethClark

      captainjimgreen well we have a president that agrees with the racist agenda in our country now, so anything a black does is ok, just not for any white person

    • grafra102

      captainjimgreen : When GZ is aquitted and all riots takes place, get out the NATIONAL GUARD and give the same thing the THUD PUNK got!! LETS KEEP RELIGION OUT OF IT!!!

  • ragnarok65

    I agree with the premise, but only because there is still a “reasonable doubt” about what happened. Eye/Ear witnesses have presented conflicting statements under oath as to what happened. If what we are hearing form the media, I DON’T see how Zimmerman could possibly be convicted of anything worse than “discharging a firearm within the city limits”.

    • Publius2013

      ragnarok65 Discharging a firearm when carried lawfully and discharged in self defense Is NO Crime, at least not in Florida.

      • grafra102

        Publius2013 ragnarok65 @Publius2013, Yes you are right, and I have had so many e-mails on this that I am going to say this will be my last comment. My theory , G. Zimmerman will walk and be a free man, and justice was done to get this S.O.B. THUG, PUNK off the streets. AMEN..GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY..

    • ElizabethClark

      ragnarok65 testimony came out yesterday that a witness saw m on top of z

    • LetsFindOut

      ragnarok65 Exactly. Unless some solid evidence comes out from nowhere, the prosecution has nothing to convict and he should walk.

  • govtrumbull

    If Zimmerman is guilty of murder, he should be punished.  However as a casual observer, I don’t believe that he is guilty of anything other than self-defense, and that is not a crime.  Prosecution witnesses are being caught in lies. Martin acted like a hoodlum, as shown by his cell phone conversation at the moment of the shooting, and it showed his gang-banger attitude towards Zimmerman.  Martin had most likely done this to someone else before and had gotten away with it.  He could have been blustering this time, but Martin miscalculated and pushed to far, and it got him killed.
    If I had been Zimmerman, I would probably kept my distance from Martin.  I wouldn’t have gotten within thirty feet of him.  If he had done that, perhaps things would have turned out differently.

    • RandyPhillips1

      govtrumbull  The problem with your thinking is that Zimmerman had a choice of what happened. The 911 tape Zimmerman telling police that he was on his way back to his vehicle and saw Martin at his vehicle. Martin then started to approach him, when Zimmerman hung up his conversation with the 911 center. Zimmerman was on a sidewalk between buildings that had no way of changing direction, unless it was between buildings. The picture shown in daylight, didn’t show very many places in which to change directions. Zimmerman was only on his way to wait for police and had no idea as to what Martin’s thinking was. Zimmerman didn’t know how long the police had to be at the scene. He could have run the other direction, but there are no assurances that Martin would still not have caught Zimmerman somewhere else and started the fight. The police didn’t know the exact location of where Martin was. Zimmerman was walking behind the buildings to try and find a building number to give the police some indication of where to find them. I doubt very seriously there would have been much change, if George would have tried to evade Martin’s pursuit. The only thing that may have changed is where the incident happened or at what point George would have produced the gun.

      • Don DeHoff

        RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull  “Randy”, 90% of your  post is hearsay, innuendo and personal opinion and has no place in an arena wherein life and death issues are involved. It could well be that some juror, who (wrongly) reads your post or hears it from some other source, might  makes an wrong voting decision,  that changes the outcome of the trial. That could well mean an innocent person is found guilty or a guilty person is set free. Don’t try and be juror, judge and executioner.

        • Maranatha_Mark

          Don DeHoff RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull Actually Don, the Jurors in a murder case are isolated from News Media and Internet’s blogs.  What I’ve read that Randy has posted has been consistent with what is being reported as evidence.  The rest is in response to the musing of Kevin, which the only thing he has stated correctly is Trayvon was shot and killed by Zimmerman in a Gated community, the rest of Kevin post are simply wrong, and I, and many others here are trying to explain reality and what Has been reported to the point and introduced in as evidence in the trial.  I haven’t seen Randy’s statement that warrants your accusing him of trying to be “Juror, judge or executioner, but you seem to be trying to take the role of site monitor here.

        • Don DeHoff

          Maranatha_Mark Don DeHoff RandyPhillips1  “M & M”, yes, “isolation” of jurors is a fact, but in this day and age of modern communications,  it is difficult to suppress information. Much of our headline news todays involves the government’s  inability  to control even top-secret information—and  that is why I included the qualifying word, “wrongly”. And, more importantly, “what you have read” or seen on TV, by definition, becomes “hearsay” as any information can be “bogus”.  Let the courts and the “system” , do their thing, and let us hope that justice will be served.

        • Don DeHoff

          Maranatha_Mark Don DeHoff RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull. “M&M”, I just posted but overlooked your closing sentence . Far be it for me “wanting to be a site monitor”.  While I do criticize those people from time to time, what you are doing is far more serious, as life and death ramifications are at stake. I sense there are at least four types of people who post on this site. There are those seriously concerned with what is going on and post comments  in a civil manner. Then there are many others who feel they must contribute, but know not of what they speak and they resort to profanity, obnoxious nicknames, off-subject issues, and gutter talk in general, hoping their foul discourse will hide their ignorance. Then we have those who  respond to the above “mental masturbation” crowd and unwittingly become part of that problem. Then there are the NWO types who “do all of the above” just to get responses that take our focus of the real issues at hand. I am sure you can add to this list.

        • DouglasMRoy

          Don DeHoff RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull DeHoff, you really need to get a clue. Jurors are forbidden to read or listen to anything about the case while they are a juror. That is their responsibility, but if they disobey the rules and are caught, they will be taken off the jury and a replacement, standby juror, who has also been listening to the whole trial, also not listening or reading anything from the outside or talking to anyone about the case, will be put in their place.

        • DouglasMRoy

          Don DeHoff Maranatha_Mark RandyPhillips1 Dehoff, what are you, the public opinion police? Why are you here in this room discussing these matters? Hypocrite!

        • Don DeHoff

          DouglasMRoy Don DeHoff RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull  “Douglas”, don’t be so naïve, we all know “what the rules are”, but there is a constant breakdown in the safeguards. There are protesters on the street with signs, TV’s blaring in store windows, hotels and stores, newspapers “laying around, and cell phones and other electronics “everywhere”. And like I said before, even our federal government has had major troubles protecting  ultra “top-secret” information.

      • govtrumbull

        RandyPhillips1 govtrumbull
        Like I said at the end of my post: “If I had been Zimmerman, I would probably kept my distance from Martin.  I wouldn’t have gotten within thirty feet of him.  If he had done that, perhaps things would have turned out differently.”  I wish they had turned out differently.

    • DouglasMRoy

      govtrumbull  I don’t think Z thought clearly enough about what M was doing when he circled his truck.  He was sizing up his opponent and then planning a confrontation. Note that Z was not heavy like he appears today. He was smaller than M. It was M that was stalking Z, turning the tables on him, so he thought, but it ended in his own death.

    • kmilliorn

      govtrumbull–“Martin had most likely done this to someone else”? Maybe & maybe not. The whole point of this sad story is that Zimmerman is probably a bit of an over zealous cop-wannabe, who confronted a teenager who wasn’t doing anything wrong, but had something of an attitude & it all went downhill from there. We will never know the exact sequence of events, but there were points at which each could have chosen to act differently & Martin would still be alive & we wouldn’t be slugging it out here.

      • govtrumbull

        kmilliorn
        Like I said at the end of my post: “If I had been Zimmerman, I would probably kept my distance from Martin.  I wouldn’t have gotten within thirty feet of him.  If he had done that, perhaps things would have turned out differently.”  I wish they had turned out differently.

        • kmilliorn

          govtrumbull–Total agreement on that!

    • grafra102

      govtrumbull : He did keep his distance, THE PUNK, THUD came at him..Did you re the re-creation on YOUTUBE??

  • NotReally

    the prosecution does not have to prove that Zimmerman killed Martin, since in order to plead self defense, Zimmerman must admit to the killing; this is an established fact and already proven beyond a reasonable doubt; the question is whether Zimmerman’s defense, claiming self-defense is reasonable; it is not reasonable if Zimmerman created the peril; this is where the jury after listening to all the arguments from both sides will have to make the best and wisest decision they can given the circumstances; this is justice and it is the best we as mere mortals can hope to accomplish; Godspeed to them.

    • Jeff93

      NotReally The Prosecution MUST prove that Zimmerman “Murdered” Martin! He killed him in self defense and he has already admitted that! The defense will prove with witnesses that Martin was the one who actually attacked Zimmerman. One witness this week said that Martin was on top smashing Zimmerman’s head on the concrete! There’s no Evidence for the Prosecution, No Witnesses, No Nothing! The only reason the DA pressed charges against Zimmerman was because she was up for re-election 9 days later & her district was mostly a black area, just like the Duke University Trial! That Prosecutor has since been disbarred & prosecuted himself! Stop watching and believing MSNBC, NBC & CNN, they think your a sucker!

    • RandyPhillips1

      NotReally  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Zimmerman killed Martin. It is proving that this was murder; something that the media keeps accusing Zimmerman of doing. I have said before that had circumstances been a little different, there might not have been this trial. There is a certain amount of information in the 911 tapes,  witnesses that did see part of the fight, and forensic evidence, that backs up Zimmerman’s story. There are holes in the story that prove which person started the fight, because there were no eye witnesses. This is where the person alive has the advantage of telling his side of the story. There is no way to dispute his claims, unless there is evidence that proves otherwise.
      Had Martin continued to beat Zimmerman and George not have had a weapon to protect himself, Martin would have been charged with felony assault, manslaughter, or second degree murder, if he had killed Zimmerman. Had Martin killed Zimmerman with the gun in his hand, they would probably have let Martin go. His defense would have been that a man came up to him and tried to shoot him. Even though he was the person the police were looking for, there was no evidence he had done anything wrong, other than violating curfew. Having an eye witness makes a lot of difference in this case. The only ones that saw the beating have testified that Zimmerman  was the person getting the worst of the contest. With Zimmerman calling out for help several times before he shot Martin, does show that he tried to use restraint and pulling the gun was a last resort. There was no excessive force used, because there was only one shot fired. There was only a response to a deadly threat with justified deadly force.

      • bmg28

        Whats sad is the blacks want Zimmerman and they don’t give a dam if hes innocent. His life will never be the same,  blacks will make sure of that. Like the dumb black  lady saying Martin was hunted down like  a rabid dog.  She got it backasswards the rabid dog was martin.   Blacks are going to start a race war, god help them cause they will lose.

        • Ace Cannon

          bmg28 Why don’t we say God help us just to make sure they lose.

        • RandyPhillips1

          bmg28  I wrote to George personally and urges him to sue those responsible for ruining the lives of his family and putting their lives in jeopardy. after all, these people have ruined his life forever, so they should pay dearly for what they have done. I told him the way to stop this race baiting is to sue the liberal media for lying and putting out misinformation that harmed his getting a fair trial, as well as, Sharpton, Jackson Waters, BO, and others that did their part in trying to sway public opinion with their comments. These people are the ones that are trying to start a race war, so that BO can impose martial law and establish himself as dictator.
          But you are right that it doesn’t matter about the evidence, that blacks will probably riot, if they don’t get their way. I am hoping that the blacks are glued to their TVs watching this. Maybe if the defense team tears the prosecution down to show they had no case, they may get the idea not to get mad for no reason. So far, even with the judge trying to exclude evidence that would wrap up the case in just a few days, the defense has been able to debunk the so called evidence the prosecution has presented. If most of the incriminating evidence of Tray’s criminal behavior had not been excluded from being presented, this trial would have been over in a couple days. The judge has either been threatened or bribed to give the prosecution every means possible a way to railroad Zimmerman. Even with that, the prosecution hasn’t been able to make any real points with the jury, I don’t think.

        • bmg28

          Randy you are right I hope George takes your advice and sues but even the courts are against him as they are loaded with liberals thru and thru. The way the blacks work they will frighten and intimidate the jury and their families to get what they want. Blacks are not glued to their TV’s they are  busy canvasing the next area to rob or break into. Did you see and hear the big black female with the big duded up cowboy hat claiming travon was hunted down like a rabid dog. That has become their attitude for many years. I recall back in the 30’s 40’s blacks were really nice people. What has happened to them since then?

        • michaelzz

          bmg28 
          What have you experienced that has made you such a sick puppy??
          Very, very sad being………………

      • grafra102

        RandyPhillips1 NotReally : @RandyPhillips1, again, agreed!!

    • enubus

      NotReally 
      Do you just put words together and hope it makes sense?  That is by one of the stupidest things I have ever read!

    • ObamaDualer

      NotReally The burden is on the prosecution to raise the killing to murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt.

      • enubus

        ObamaDualer NotReally
        Way overcharged, I doubt if the prosecution can prove Zimmerman ripped a hangnail off of the thug.  Notice that the original female States Attorney that brought the charges is not prosecuting after the legal profession made her a laughing stock!

        • Jeff93

          enubus ObamaDualer NotReally She did that because she was up for re-election (primary) 9 days later! Just like the Duke University Trial a few years back! More Government BS!

        • enubus

          Jeff93 enubus ObamaDualer NotReally 
          She works for the Florida AG Pam Bondy and the state attorney position is not an elected position.

  • shamwil

    always the same scenario,putting blame on the black man again, it seems like it a habitual habit, and always find faults

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil  Do you have some problem that a black person may have committed a crime? Black on white crime (although Zimmerman is part Hispanic) is like 30 to 1. Do you not think this kid that was a thief, a drug user and a possible drug dealer that hung around with a gang of other violent blacks that stole merchandise from others and also bragged about beating people up and knocking them out, could possibly be involved in trying to beat another person to death? Even though Tray was supposed to be unarmed, the last time I heard anything about using a sidewalk as a deadly weapon, that is a felony. Tray was also possibly trying to illegally purchase a pistol. What would he need that for? Where was he going to come up with the money for this? He had several tattoos and gold teeth that someone had to pay for, who paid that? He was found to have had a lot of stolen women’s jewelry, weed, and burglar tools in his locker that got him suspended from school. Was that Zimmerman’s fault? Did Tray use the money he got from stealing to pay for all of the things he wanted? He didn’t have a job. Tray should have been arrested for the stolen goods, but Jesse Jackson had been to the police chief and persuaded him not to arrest as many black youths committing crimes. This was to make the appearance of black crime going down in the area. Had Tray been arrested and been in a juvenile facility, he might be alive today. You should thank Jesse for that.

    • AZDon

      shamwil
      All the evidence to date leads to Zimmerman acting in self defense just as he says. Declaring Martin innocence because he is black is just as wrong as declaring him guilty because he is black. In any case he has paid a price for his aggressive actions and he should have. In this case it does appear justice will be served. Just because it goes against what you would like to see happen does not mean Zimmerman is guilty if anything. Facts are facts. Right is right. If you can prove otherwise come forrard and testify under oath. Otherwise you opinion is just that an opinion and means nothing. Zimmerman had just as much right to be out walking around that night as did Martin. If you are only capable of seeing one side you are a part of the problem we currently have in the US. Racism is racism regardless weather black or white, red or orange.

  • shamwil

    here it is again, history being distorted and rewritten again,

  • DouglasMRoy

    When trials are influenced by threats of violence if the “wrong” verdict is reached, then justice will never be done. Such was the case in the double jeopardy trial regarding Rodney King. Those police officers were wrongly sent to jail for doing their job against a criminal. Everybody and their brother who was black weighed in against the officers and those in S.L.A. decided to riot and harm any non-black person they could. Mob influence on trials is a despicable thing.

    • Henry Leunissen

      DouglasMRoy You hit the nail squarely on the head.  And that is a major problem in this country.  Thank Al and Jessie for that

  • shamwil

    I guess that will happen, everything he does they are always against it as usual, a black man,

  • DouglasMRoy

    When will this group of blacks and others with this racist, mob mentality come to grips with their error? Those fomenting racism, like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are wolves in badly worn sheep’s clothing. They do great damage to other blacks by their false Christianity. They are thugs who stir up racism and division for money and live well doing it. They play on the fears and prejudices of men and women and are nothing but false prophets. If Z had been black, we would not have heard boo about this case. It is all so sickening.

  • ElizabethClark

    I have to uphold Al Sharpton for standing up for Paula Dean, no one knows the truth and so far I have heard one for and one against Mr. Zimmerman

  • KevinHoman

    You people are missing the point, Mr. Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvon Martin by the 911 dispatcher. Once Mr. Zimmerman left his truck he became the criminal and Trayvon became the victim, so even if Mr. Martin was kicking his but it was self defense for Mr. Martin not Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman should go to jail for at the minimum of 2nd degree murder.

    • EarlHudgins

      It is not against the law to leave your vehicle. It is against the law, however, to beat someone senseless… The witness yesterday stated that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, wailing on him.

    • Publius2013

      KevinHoman Actually, you have the facts wrong. Once told by the 911 Dispatcher “not to follow” Martin, Zimmerman did just that, he stopped following and headed back to his truck. Martin followed and confronted Zimmerman and then assaulted Zimmerman. These are the known facts so far.

      • KevinHoman

        Publius2013 KevinHoman You are speculating about that the facts do not support that theory.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman Publius2013 If you have actually listened to the UNEDITED 911 tapes, you would find that you are the one that hasn’t gotten your facts right. You are just listening to what Jesse, AL, and the “drive by” media is telling you. I don’t know why you are having such a time thinking this kid is innocent. There is no evidence so far that has been presented that disputes Zimmerman’s story.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman Publius2013  Zimmerman was stalking Martin and he had no business doing that.

    • HOFFHACK

      KevinHoman No,  you miss the point,  and are absolutely wrong.  Actually,  if you listen to the whole tape,  which was not phoned into 911,  but to the “NONE EMERGENCY NUMBER”  During the conversation,  the dispatcher asked?  “What is he doing now,  can you see him?”  It is then,  following what he thought was  his directions,  that he got out of his truck (you can hear the bell bonging)  and got out to see if he could see where he was,  and what he was doing.  Then,  during the course of him telling the dispatcher what was going on,  the dispatcher said: “are you following him?”  and “Z”  replied yes,  but could not see him.  It was then that the dispatcher said:  “we don’t want you doing that”………..now keep in mind that while all this was going on,  Mr.  Martin was less than 60 yards from where he was staying,  and had plenty of time to get,  unseen,  to his destination.  And he chose to hide,  wait until “Z” had his back turned,  and was walking back to his truck,  and pounce on him from behind,  knock him to the ground and proceed to “GROUND AND POUND HIM REPEATEDLY!!!!”  And one has to be a complete fool,  after seeing the graphic pictures of Mr.  Zimmerman’s injuries,  to believe that Mr.  Martin was the one pleading for help,  while he was in the process of beating the snot out of Mr.  Zimmerman!!!  The only credible witness,  and the only witness who was in a position to see what really happened that dark rainy night,  less than 30 feet away,  backed Mr.  Zimmerman’s story in every detail.   All of the other witnesses were just too far away to accurately see what was going on.  Considering that Mr.  Martin had no other signs of injury,  other than on his hands and knuckles,  and Mr.  Zimmerman had bumps,  cuts,  bruises and blood all over his head and face,  and the cop first on the scene noted that his pants were “WET” only on the back side of his jeans,  how can one possibly conclude that Mr. Zimmerman was somehow the aggressor,  when Mr. Martin had several minutes to cover those 60 yards and be out of so called danger,  boggles ones mind!

      • KevinHoman

        HOFFHACK KevinHoman  The only credible witness you say did not agree with Mr. Zimmerman. He said that he was not getting his head beaten into the ground. Mr. Zimmerman was carrying a gun and he is an adult, Mr. Martin was a child that was skin and bones. If he defends himself against a grown up and kicks his but then so be it. The neighbors were coming out to help and the Police were on there way his life was not in danger and even it was it was his own fault.

        • HOFFHACK

          KevinHoman HOFFHACK You again are wrong!!!  He said that He did not see him pounding his head on the concrete,  but could see his hands moving in a downward direction while on top of him,  and he said he believe that it was Mr.  Zimmerman who was pleading for help.  Now if his head did not come into contact with the concrete,  pray tell,  where did the cuts,  bumps and bruises come from…..HMMMMMMM?  Paaaalease!!!   The kid was known to be high on Grass,  and who knows what else.  He is also well known to use his fists at the drop of a hat!  He thought he was going to beat the tar out of a white guy who dared to question what he was up to!!  And whether he was following him or not,  once Martin had him down,  and was beating him to the point that he felt his life was endangered,  he had every right to use deadly force to end the attack!  PERIOD!!!

        • lasershot1

          KevinHoman HOFFHACK  Mr. Martin was a 17 year old street thug who dealt in druga and guns….make no mistake about it.   They only show pics of this thug at 12 years old…….what BS!!!

        • KevinHoman

          lasershot1 KevinHoman HOFFHACK  You have evidence to support your theory, why just because he is black and wearing a hoodie, it was raining and cold. He was in high school being followed by a grown man.

        • KevinHoman

          HOFFHACK KevinHoman You are wrong again, if he stayed in his truck nothing would have happened and you are making up all Martin stuff which is irrelevant. Mr. Zimmerman is not white by the way he is mixed race of Black, Hispanic and White, The physical evidence does not support any of your wrong facts.

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman lasershot1 HOFFHACK You are just mad because Martin played the Knock Out Game and lost. You know what I’m talking about. It’s a popular game among blacks thugs to see if they can knock out unsuspecting whites by sucker punching them and then beating them up.
          But Martin got KO’ed. It was a risk he took. Killah got killed. Oops.

        • KevinHoman

          ObamaDualer KevinHoman lasershot1 HOFFHACK What planet are you from, there has been no evidence that he jumped Zimmerman. The witnesses have said they heard arguing before any punches were thrown.

        • enubus

          KevinHoman HOFFHACK 
          My God, with the lack of gray matter it is amazing that you could type this bull crap!

        • KevinHoman

          enubus KevinHoman HOFFHACK What arey ou talking about?

    • RandyPhillips1

      KevinHoman I think you are missing something. I listened to the unedited 911 tape with the conversation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman was already out of the vehicle looking for a building number to give to the police, when they instructed him to turn around. He did so at their request. On his way back to his vehicle Martin was waiting for him. Martin had doubled back and confronted Zimmerman. I fail to see how a person that cut a man off from going back to his vehicle, sucker punched him, and threw him to the ground and started pummeling him, makes him a criminal. 
      On the 911 tape, Zimmerman’s voice was never winded as though he was chasing Trayvon. Zimmerman did exactly as he was instructed by the 911 center to return to his truck. There was no change in his voice at any time on his way back to the vehicle. The last few statements made by Zimmerman were that he was just about back to his vehicle and thought he saw Trayvon. He then said, “Uh oh, I think he is coming at me.” and hung up.
      I don’t know where you get the idea that 911 centers have any authority to tell a person what to do. They only told Zimmerman to return to his truck for his personal safety. You advise a person to stay out of the way so they won’t get hurt. You advise the citizen to stay out of the way, so the police can handle the situation. If you don’t follow their advise, you do so at your own risk, but it doesn’t make you a criminal.
      Following your thoughts is like a woman in her house knowing there is someone in there uninvited. She calls 911 and asks what to do and the dispatcher tells her to hide in a closet and wait for the police. She has a gun to defend herself, but is reluctant to use it. The dispatcher tells her to ask the perp to leave and not shoot the person, that it is going to take twenty minutes for a car to arrive. The woman does exactly as instructed and gives away where she is hiding. The perp finds her, goes ahead and opens the door, and has a knife in his hand. At that point, are you going to listen to the 911 center and let the man stab you or shoot him? If you shoot him, does that mean you are a criminal for defending yourself?  
      Your premise on the situation is purely idiotic. 911 centers have no police powers. They are just a go between with the citizens and police.

      • KevinHoman

        RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman Two totally different situations, Mr. martin was minding his own business while being stalked and 911 tapes you’re referring to you are wrong on the facts. It was a child vs. an adult and we live in a free country so you can walk whereever you like.

        • DRLJR

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 You are still buying into the lie that Trayvon Martin was a child.  Trayvon Martin was 17 years old and almost a legal adult.  He was a strong and aggressive teenager.  You need to look at what was actually recorded and reported.

        • grandpa51

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 And in this country you are subject to scrutiny if the law and or Neighborhood watch deem it so. Any one out that time of night, or morning would be in question. The fact if he wasn’t out at that time, he might still be alive is the only truth I see. If it’s raining, you should have enough smarts to stay inside , unless you might b e up to no good, then you need to be watched.

        • RandyPhillips1

          grandpa51 KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 Not exactly. This was a gated community. There are restrictions as to can be admitted. Trayvon was supposed to have been heading to a friends house in the area. That answer came out a couple weeks after the shooting. It has been debated as to the validity of the comment. There is also something called a curfew law for minors. He was out at 2am. WHY? This kid was a thief, drug user, and a possible dealer. 
          So this kid is violating the law being out at 2am, in a restricted neighborhood, acting in a suspicious manner. The neighborhood had been plagued with break ins to several vehicles. No one has ever addressed the possibility of the crime rate changing in that area. If it has dropped, is there the likelihood that Trayvon had something to do with it?

        • kmilliorn

          Martin was heading from the convenience store back to his father’s fianceé’s townhouse in the community, where he was visiting.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 grandpa51 KevinHoman  Obviously you have not watched the evidence because it was 715pm not 2am.. His father lived there get your facts straight.

    • MarkGamblin

      KevinHoman KevinHoman = numbskull.  How did Z become the criminal by leaving his vehicle?! Dispatch has no real authority. Doesn’t matter anyway as Z was the NW and had full right to challenge anyone he did not recognize as I do in my neighborhood!! Anyone who thinks Z was wrong for wanting to find out who was lurking in his neighborhood, is a true idiot without one shred of common sense!

      • KevinHoman

        MarkGamblin KevinHoman America is a free country and we can go anywhere we like without being in fear of being attacked. If I come to your neighborhood you have no right to question why I am there unless it is private property.

        • so you say

          KH You are either a complete idiot or incredibly naiive. I challenge you to live your claim by taking a stroll down Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard in NYC after dark. If you’re on the Left Coast, Take a fact finding stroll through East LA or Compton after dark. The laws state one thing, but reality dictates another.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          KevinHoman   Ok you say you can go anywhere except private property…What do you think a Gated Community is? It is PRIVATE Property!!! The entire area is private property, not public though fare, The infrastructure of a gated community is all private property, by design. The roads are gated, the streets and street lamps are private, The sidewalks are for the residents, who by the way, paid for them.

        • MarkGamblin

          KevinHoman MarkGamblin Yes I do have the right, and I will challenge you because this is a NW area! And no one would “attack” you, they would jst ask who you are and what are you doing. Z “attacked” no one … HE was attacked and shot the attacker … end o story!

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman MarkGamblin Kevin, you are obviously one of the so-called, “Low Information voters” that we hear so much about.  It isn’t a free country and YOU CAN’T go anywhere you like, that is the most stupid statement you made to this point, and you have made some really stupid comments on this thread!  Those yards Trayvon was walking in WERE PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND HE WAS TRESPASSING BY BEING IN THEM!  He wasn’t invited into those yard, and gated community or not YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK ONTO ANY ONE’S PROPERTY UNLESS INVITED OR A PUBLIC BUSINESS.  In a gated community even the streets and sidewalks are NOT PUBLIC!  The HOA maintains those not the city, county or state!  I really don’t know where you get your understanding of ‘rights’ and laws, but I suspect you are a product of a public education and day-time TV!

        • KevinHoman

          so you say  I lived in new york for over 20 years and i was never afraid to walk anywhere.

        • KevinHoman

          Retired USAF MSGT KevinHoman What is your point he was given permission by his father to be there.

        • KevinHoman

          Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman MarkGamblin Good job not knowing what you are talking about, he had permission to be there because he was a guest of a resident and they are townhouses not homes.

        • michaelzz

          Retired USAF MSGT KevinHoman 
          Do you realize how moronic you read?
          Visitors are not allowed to walk on the sidewalks, because they didn’t pay for them?
          How weird is weird?
          HATE breeds this stupidity???

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman so you say  It depends upon where you lived, I guess. Or maybe it was after Dinkins left as mayor. At one time there, were as many murders as Chicago had. People were afraid to go to Central Park at night, because of muggings. After Giuliani took over as mayor, things ere made a lot safer. I don’t know that much about the amount of crime, since Nannyberg has been in office.

        • grafra102

          KevinHoman so you say : WALK DOWN THE SKID part of town, I drove a truck, and they will steel you while moving.

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman so you say RandyPhillips1, Believe me just about all NYC is bad. as I said I used to do long haul, and as you are driving they would jump on the rear of the truck and try anything to get in, but fortunately the trucks are locked, but then they would come to the cab, and that is why I had a butcher knife and others on board.. I have been through Upper NY State very calm and good..

        • grafra102

          KevinHoman MarkGamblin :Guess what?? If you come in my neighborhood and act funky/punky  and probably the way that punk Trayvon acted you bet I would watch you. People now a days think they can do anything they damn please, no they can not..

      • michaelzz

        MarkGamblin KevinHoman 
        Is there no one who has the integrity to answer the simple question: Would Mr. Z have pursued Mr. M had Mr Z not had the gun?
        mz

        • ObamaDualer

          michaelzz MarkGamblin KevinHoman The trial is not about Z’s wisdom or lack thereof in carrying a gun. 
          It’s about whether Z was within his rights to shoot someone who had punched him so hard it broke his nose and knocked him down which was followed by Z’s head getting smashed into the sidewalk as the wounds would indicate.
          My understanding is that there is a 13-year-old black boy who saw Martin punch Z in the nose which resulted in Z getting knocked down. It was reported in a UK paper with a photo of the boy’s mother. The mother complained that the police tried to get the boy to alter his story.
          So hopefully, we’ll be hearing from this boy soon. His name is Austin Brown. Yeah, the US media leaked his name while refusing to release Jeantel’s name.

        • michaelzz

          ObamaDualer michaelzz MarkGamblin KevinHoman     Again…, you are missing the critical point…, who caused the confrontation and would Mr. Z have continued had he not had the gun.
          mz

    • ObamaDualer

      KevinHoman You got it wrong. Martin was playing the “KnockOut Game” and lost.

  • shamwil

    when black commits crime to white people, they pay for it, life without parole…as far as drugs, white and black do drugs about the same, but blacks always get reprimanded for it, and more jail time, as far as Trayvon trying to purchase a gun, I dont know about that, lies have always been put on black people and it still does

    • RoyKoch

      shamwil What Frackin’ Planet are You From?? Blacks commit  at least 75% of the Crime, Hispanics maybe 15%, and Whites, the rest. Consider that Blacks are less tha 15% of the Pop.– WHERE does that Lead You?? Oh Yeah, the state of Fl. goes out of it’s way to Persecute Blacks See my previous posts. the Exact Opposite is True. Keep Kissing Recipient Butt, That’s how we got OBAMA, ‘Caliph ‘O Chicago” as  President! Hey. The New Obama-Phones are Out, How Many didja get?

  • KevinHoman

    When a law person tells you not to follow and you do you are breaking the law. You had a grown man following a child with the intent on harming him. Trayvon was protecting himself from a stalker. Mr. Zimmerman had no right to take his life. He was the agressor not Mr. Martin.

    • RandyPhillips1

      KevinHoman The child you are referring to played on the varsity football team. He was no little child. He had bragged on his cell phone of how he had knocked out some people. He also hung around other kids that enjoyed beating up others. I don’t know how you figure a person that doubled back on a man returning to his vehicle is somehow stalking Martin. How do you know the intent of Zimmerman? There has never been any statements made as to any intent of Zimmerman other than his defending himself.

      • KevinHoman

        RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman There is no evidence that he doubled back and Martin is dead so the only witness is Zimmerman who killed Martin, he has no motive to lie, NOT!!!! Martin played Key word High School Football at what wide receiver or something he was 158lbs. that is puny…

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1  How stupid are you? No evidence TM doubled back? How did a guy getting out of his truck going in the same direction as TM was going, turn around and go back to his truck, and find the person he was reporting was at his truck before he was there? Would that not be called doubling back? That was on the 911 tape. There is also someone else on this blog that had similar findings on Trayvon’s height and weight to what I heard. Much like the media not wanting to show all of Trayvon’s tattoos and gold teeth, they may also be wanting to hide the fact he was much bigger than the twelve year old they want you think he is. They don’t want you to know his violent background or how he was just another punk kid on his way to the penitentiary.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman  I don’t know what you are watching the evidence has said he was 5’11” and 158lbs. He was out at 715pm not 2 am and the truck was nowhere near where the assault took place.

    • RandyPhillips1

      KevinHoman  911 people are not the law, dummy. They have no arrest abilities, they wear no badges, they carry no guns.

      • HOFFHACK

        RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman  “”HAL-AH-FLIPPIN-LU-YAH!!!  Someone finally said it!!!  And I will say it again,  if you listen to the entire tape,  which was not 911,  but the non emergency number,  he asked “Z” “where is he now,  can you see him?”  and it was at that point that “Z”,  following directions to see if he could see where he was,  got out of the truck.  A short time later,  the dispatcher must have realized that “Z”  was following him and he said:  “we don’t want you doing that”  He did not order him back to his truck (though all the credible evidence points to him in the process of walking back toward his truck)  because he had no authority to do so!  Plus,  just suppose “Z” decided to go and get his mail,  with no further thought of Martin……..does that give Martin the right to beat the snot out of him???     Like I said,  with some people,  you just can’t fix stupid!!!

        “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

    • Maranatha_Mark

      KevinHoman Actually Kev, that simply isn’t true.  You see we have theses people called ‘congressmen’ in the state and federal legislature, that actually MAKE laws, of course the Governor or President respectively has to sign the bills created in congress for them to be come laws, but THAT is how laws are made!  The Police or “LAW ENFORCEMENT”, are supposed to enforce those laws.  I know that is confusing to some, cause under Obama’s administration, federal law enforcement don’t really enforce the laws on the books, but that is how our basic system is setup.  They did it that way so some power-tripping law enforcement person could just make up laws on the spot and charge with it.  Trayvon, as it has been repeated multiple times here, including an earlier post by me, was walking under the eves of the other neighbor’s houses and across their porches, late at night.  Even if it was raining, and even if his dad lives there, he DOES NOT have the right to trespass, which is exactly what he was doing.  White or black, makes no difference, he shouldn’t have been walking up in the yards and around the houses like that, cause it is a good way to get shot by the home owners.  Had Trayvon been walking on the sidewalk, like a normal human being would, OR had he not chased down and attacked Zimmerman, he would likely still be here today.  Trayvon was acting, by reasonable standard of behavior, suspicious, and ANY one on a neighborhood watch who didn’t investigate what he was doing, should not be on the watch!  Charging and attacking a man or woman is not protecting yourself from a stalker!  Had Trayvon called the police, and told them what was going on, he would have been told it was neighborhood watch, but Trayvon having had his own run in with police, called his high girlfriend instead, so was so out of it that she didn’t bother to call 911 for him.  Trayvon who was reported to be 6 foot and 200 lbs. and fancied himself a gangbanger (something that he had pasted all over his facebook, before they scrubbed it and closed it down when the media took up the cause), took the thug approach of ambush and attack.  Zimmerman did NOT have his gun in his hand, but in his pocket.  Even after the beating started Zimmerman didn’t go for his gun until Martin saw it and tried to get it himself.  You really need to deal with the facts or the reports of the facts as we have them at this point, if are not going to come across as “moronic”, on these blogs.

      • KevinHoman

        Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman  I do not know where you get your information from. They were townhouses which are connected together and there is no evidence of him looking in windows, or through yards because they do not have yards, I live in the area. There  has been no evidence that he jumped Zimmerman other than Zimmerman making that claim and he has no reason to lie, NOT!!!! The facts will come out and we will see what you say then. Zimmerman shot a young boy in cold blood.

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark 
          Kevin, it wasn’t cold blood. Martin played the Knock Out Game with the wrong person and lost. The killah was killed. Don’t try to pretend you don’t know what the Knock Out Game is. 
          If you risk it, you be turned into brisket.
          Final score: Z had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head. They weren’t self inflicted.
          Martin: a hole in his chest. KO’ed!

        • enubus

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark 
          Young boy?  He was a 6’3″ 193lbs. gang member thug.  You are an idiot kumbaya liberal who doesn’t know the facts but acts on emotion.  Tsk! Tsk!

      • michaelzz

        Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman 
        I just came upon a “moronic” posting…, yours!
        The way you describe the action, you, apparently, were standing alongside.
        Clean your “prism”……………….

        • Maranatha_Mark

          michaelzz Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman Nope! Just going by what has been reported and introduced as evidence during the trial, Miky.  Please show me where I stated anything that hasn’t been reported or is common sense.  I would love to hear your “Wisdom”… please share with us!  LOL!

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      KevinHoman If you knew the real FACTS. The dispatcher is NOT a Peace Officer, Police Officer, or a Sherriff Officer. They are not allowed by law to give a lawful order. Suggestions are all they can make. The dispatcher is NOT A LAW OFFICER . Do you get it yet? A property owner in a Gated Community, has every Right to ask questions of someone walking around on Private Property at 230 in the morning, especially when that property owner is also a Community Watch coordinator within that community. Trayvon was not a resident, he was a trespasser on private property, walking through people’s backyards, NOT walking on a sidewalk or a road. He was acting suspicious by what was apparently casing people’s private  homes. Get a grip, what would you do on your private property if someone was walking around your home, apparently looking in windows, walking in people’s back yards, cutting through yards at 230 am? Would you not confront someone who was doing that on your property? I sure would as there are so many Meth heads in this country now looking for an easy buck or two, stealing whatever they can to sell for drugs. Please don’t get holier than thou when describing the suspicious behavior of anyone looking into windows at 230am.

      • HOFFHACK

        Retired USAF MSGT KevinHoman I am not going to stick up for Kevin,  but the time of the incident was just after 7:00PM albeit a dark and rainy night!

      • KevinHoman

        Retired USAF MSGT KevinHoman   When you get the facts then you can talk. It was 715pm early evening barely dark and there is no witness that said he was looking in windows. All you people that defend Zimmerman claim he was lurking yet you claim he smashed his head into a sidewalk, which is it, if he smashed his head into a sidewalk he must have been walking on the sidewalk…

        • Jeff93

          KevinHoman Retired USAF MSGT MARTIN=QUILTY! would’ve been in a grave in 3-5 years anyway!

    • RoyKoch

      KevinHoman Child My Ass! 6’2″ Gang-banging Thug ain’t a Child! EVEN FOX News keeps showing Travon’s 5th Grade Photo! What B/S!

      • KevinHoman

        RoyKoch KevinHoman  In court under oath it has been stated that he was 5’11” 158lbs. That is skin and bones, Under oath it is stated that Zimmerman was 5′ &” 220lbs.

    • ObamaDualer

      KevinHoman Martin was a 17-year-old varsity football player who tried to play the Knock Out Game with the wrong guy.
      At first it looked like he was going to win the game after braeaking Z’s nose and knocking him down. His chances of winning looked real good when he started banging Z’s head against the sidewalk.
      But then he got KO’ed…killed off. The killah got killed.
      You risk it, you be brisket.

  • RobertLatta

    I don’t see how the prosecution can prove that Zimmerman did not act in self defense.

    • KevinHoman

      RobertLatta Because he followed the victim with a gun and he was an adult stalking a child.

      • RobertLatta

        KevinHoman RobertLatta Trayvon was a 17 year old; not a child. He confronted Zimmerman and tried to beat down the “crazy-ass cracker.” That’s the Zimmerman defense and you can’t prove otherwise.

        • KevinHoman

          RobertLatta KevinHoman  The only fact that matters is Zimmerman left his truck so he became the attacker, Martin was defending himself.

        • DRLJR

          KevinHoman RobertLatta And all credible reports indicate Zimmerman left his truck to verify his location for police AFTER the suspicious person had disappeared between two houses.  This is a classic case of self-defense.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RobertLatta What drugs are you doing? That’s like saying a person walking his dog on the street is wanting his dog to attack someone. How in the world does getting out of a truck make someone the aggressor? Zimmerman didn’t know exactly where Tray was at and was not running after him. He reported to the 911 center the last location where he saw Trayvon. If he had kept running, the cops would never have found Trayvon. In stead, Trayvon wanted to be tough and confront the guy. Martin’s mistake.

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman RobertLatta “BINGO!!!”

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman RobertLatta “BIONGO!!!”  IF HE HAD GONE HOME,  SOME 60 YARDS AWAY,  NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPEND!!   He just wanted to teach the “Whitey Cracker”  a lesson in his drug induced mind!

      • paulm39083

        KevinHoman RobertLatta that has never been a crime and most certainly is not enough reason for the kid to sucker punch and attempt ot kill Zimmerman.. a moronic ill informed comment.. you should keep that kind of crap to yourself .. makes you look really really stupid

        • KevinHoman

          paulm39083 KevinHoman RobertLatta There is no proof who threw the first punch and all of that is irrelevant, if he stayed in his truck none of this would have happened.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman paulm39083 RobertLatta Exactly, there is no proof as to who threw the first punch. That is the part of the story that has no witnesses to. This is the part of the story that has to be given more weight to the person that is still alive. Unless there is some evidence that makes Zimmerman’s story and statements untrue, and there hasn’t, then Zimmerman’s story is the only one to go by. Had a couple situations been different, the outcome may have been totally different. 
          Had Trayvon been successful in beating Zimmerman to death if he were unarmed, he would have been charged with assault with a deadly weapon (the sidewalk), felony assault, and manslaughter or second degree murder. If  Trayvon would have beaten Zimmerman to death and Zimmerman had the gun, charges may have been dropped. Trayvon could have claimed Zimmerman chased him and tried to kill him with his pistol. Other than violating a curfew ordinance, the law had nothing else to charge him with.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman paulm39083 RobertLatta  Had Trayvon been arrested for having stolen property in his locker, which got him thrown out of school rather than serving time in a juvenile facility, none of this would have happened. If Trayvon’s parents had acted responsibly and refused to let their child out of the house after a certain time none of this would have happened. If his parents would have acted responsibly and put the fear of God in the boy for being a thief, once they should have been notified by the school, he might still be alive. If Trayvon would have been at the least under house arrest for his criminal activity, he might still be alive. There are a lot more ifs than telling a man that he has no right to get out of his truck.

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman paulm39083 RobertLatta “BINGO!!!”

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman paulm39083 RobertLatta Kev, lets try to use what little brains you have for just a second here, and think about this.  You have a man of unknown age, strength, and don’t know if he is armed or not, in the rain at 2 a.m. acting very suspicious (in the real world), and you have a pistol in your pocket.  Do you really think Zimmerman would have acted out of character (never attacked anyone in his life as far as we know) and tried to initiate a fist fight, OR would he have simply pulled his gun out and shot Trayvon… if that was his intent from the beginning?  All of your points and arguments are absurd to the Nth degree, and demonstrates a detachment from reality.  When a policeman follow someone, do you call that ‘stalking’ as well, and do the folks being followed have the right to attack the policeman?  Oh yeah, that’s right, the police make the laws, so they can do whatever they please and it is legal!

        • RoyKoch

          KevinHoman paulm39083 RobertLatta Yeah, Then it would have been a Car-Jacking!

      • RandyPhillips1

        KevinHoman RobertLatta The child you are referring to was I think 6’2″ and weighed about 190 lbs. Zimmerman was at that time, I think 5’8″ and weighed about 150 lbs. There seems to be a disadvantage for Zimmerman. Just because you have a concealed firearm’s permit and a legally owned firearm, doesn’t mean you are stalking someone. You need to get your head out from between your legs and get some fresh air. The stench must be affecting your thought processes.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman RobertLatta  I do not know where you get your facts from martin was 5’11” 158lbs. and Zimmerman was 5’7″ 220lbs. who had the advantage? Zimmerman was following a boy that was minding his own business.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 RobertLatta No, Zimmerman may now be 220 lbs., but it has already been stated that Zimmerman has gained about 100 lbs. since the shooting. From reports I heard, Martin was taller and heavier that what you stated. Martin was a wannabe gang banger. He was the one that could have run away, but chose to double back on Zimmerman. He just made a mistake on who to pick on.

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman RobertLatta   “BINGO!!!”

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman RobertLatta “BINGO!!”  AND WHEN IT COMES TO SOME PEOPLE (Like Kevin???)  I guess it is true:  “YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID!!!”

        • jeffmiller47

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 RobertLatta The taller, younger, more athletic guy had the advantage over the short fat guy.

        • kmilliorn

          Phillips1–If you look at the photos of Zimmerman at the time of the incident, he DIDN’T weigh only 120# at that time, so he hasn’t gained about “100 lbs” since the shooting to reach 220.

    • DRLJR

      RobertLatta They can’t.  That is why they and other keep making up stories and calling a 17 year a child as if the 17 year old was a 12 year old.  The police investigated the case when it happened and determined if was self-defense.  It was only after the parents and pseudo-civil rights groups and people started screaming racism that a politically motivated prosecutor created the charges.

      • HOFFHACK

        DRLJR RobertLatta “”DOUBLE BINGO!!!”

  • HOFFHACK

    If Zimmerman is found guilty,  non-black people will never be able to defend themselves again.  That is what this is all about.  We are expected to take our lumps,  not resist,  and just pray not to get killed!!!  Well,  not this cracker!!!

    “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

    • kmilliorn

      OFFHACK–It has nothing to do with this trial particularly, but with the horde of hungry plaintiff’s lawyers, who are suing every burglary victim when a burglar gets a splinter when exiting the window with his loot, etc. Not too long ago, a fugitive sued his hostages for “breach of contract” after they failed to deliver a promised amount of cash they’d offered if he’d let them go–police intervened before they could deliver! (Of course, they could claim duress!)

  • lasershot1

    Creepy ass cracker here…….proud of it………We need a creepy-ass cracker pride day and a creepy-ass cracker month.   We need to unite before we all get killed one at a time…..America….”united we stand, divided we fall”

    • HOFFHACK

      lasershot1   I just don’t know if there are enough of us with any go-nads left!!  Had this happened in NYC,  or any of the other Liberal gun control bastions  (I know,  I worked in NYC for 40 YEARS)  Zimmerman would be dead,  and even if they caught the Perp,  Jury nullification,  would have got him off with a slap on the wrists,  free to do it all over again!!!  That is why non blacks are moving out in droves!!!  Just look at what happened to Bernie Geotz!!!

      “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

      • The real Smart Guy

        HOFFHACK Yaeh that’s why the prisons are so full of blacks , because the get off so easy

        • Maranatha_Mark

          The real Smart Guy HOFFHACK Actually the prisons are full of blacks because they don’t seem to have respect for the law and tend to break the law, at a higher rate than other minorities or whites.  After their 3r or 4th visit to court, they usually get some serious time, but the prisons are releasing criminals back into the streets in droves, so buck-up lil camper, the human garbage in a rainbow variety pack is out amongst us again!

        • RoyKoch

          The real Smart Guy HOFFHACK Hey Genius, “Real Smart Fart”!!– Do you know that the Fl. Corrections/law enforcement system Goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to AVOID locking up Black Youths!!  White boys are usually Locked up for their first felony  offense. Not Blacks, unless it’s a Capital Offense, they get– Referred to Another Social Agency, Juvie Court, Adjudication With-held,Released to Parents, PROBATION, on an’ on! They call the Hispanics White or Other, to make the Racial Balance look Better!! NOW!! I used to Maintain their Jackets/Records, and I KNOW! YOU Don’t KNOW SQUATT! I could give You Points of Law, Learned at the Police Academy, But your Liberal Butt Knows Better than the people like me, who worked the trenches. Have YOU ever been Beat Down?? If you have been, and you had a Gun, You’d have used it to make the Beat Down STOP! Why do I Know This??

    • RhondaReichel

      Reminds me of that Chris Rock routine….cracker ass cracker.

  • MichaelSSmith

    The Question is not really if GZ acted in Self defense but whether or not he had to KILL Trayvon Martin while he may not be guilty of 2nd Degree muder I believe he should at least convicted of  manslaugter

    • Publius2013

      MichaelSSmith Actually, the Question IS self defense. The Law in Florida states that IF Zimmerman believed his life in danger, he is authorized to use DEADLY FORCE in self defense, which he did. We are a nation of Laws, not of what if’s.

      • The real Smart Guy

        Publius2013 You cannot be the aggressor and then claim self defense. Zimmerman stalked the kid throughout the subdivision, then exited his vehicle in a confrontational manner Martin is the one with a self defense claim but he’s dead and Zimmerman is guilty

        • RandyPhillips1

          The real Smart Guy Publius2013 How do you know Zimmerman exited his vehicle in a confrontational manner? Did you see it? I thought there were no witnesses to this part of the story. He didn’t sound confrontational on the 911 tapes. He sounded calm and rational throughout the call. He made a sensible call to a situation that he thought might be leading to something that was wrong. He called about a suspicious acting person walking through his neighborhood at 2am. If Trayvon had been just walking through the neighborhood as a normal person, he probably would never have been reported. His actions was what caused attention to directed to himself.
          You don’t go in a neighborhood where you have no business, at a time when you shouldn’t be there, acting in a way that is suspicious in nature and want someone to think you aren’t trying to break into a car or apartment. Especially if you already have a small time thief credentials and hang around a bunch of violent thieves and wanna be gang bangers.

        • kmilliorn

          RandyPhillips1–Check your sources: The call by Zimmerman regarding Martin was made at 7:09 PM– NOT 2AM!

  • provemewrong

    You are so full of baloney! A 911 dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer! Their word is no more enforceable as mine or yours!

    • RhondaReichel

      Baloney…. a POLICE dispatcher is trained on exactly what to say in these instances by the POLICE officers.   Police don’t want any cowboy citizens trying to play policemen because that’s how people get killed….case in point….ZIMMERMAN

      • DouglasMRoy

        RhondaReichel You should have said, “case in point…Martin.”  Martin got killed, but not because of Zimmerman being a cowboy. He was part of a community watch group protecting people’s property in their own neighborhood. He was in touch with the police because of a suspicious character in their private neighborhood. The facts clearly show that Martin could have easily left the area and finished his so-called “walk through” to get home, without any trouble whatsoever. He sought for trouble; started it; and made it a life/death struggle wherein he lost his own life.

      • ron520

        RhondaReichel  
        AMEN

  • Aerobob

    What was the motive to murder the guy other than self defense? – has anyone in the court asked that question? No, other than the accusation of him hating blacks.That can be contradicted as well, since it can be proven that he helped black children with reading skills. Let’s face it – Trayvon was a thug, which can also be proven. He was a thug acting suspiciously. His parents are also opportunists, since it seems they didn’t apply any parenting to him, yet were first to join on the bandwagon to sue. They should be accused of being complicit in his murder, since their lack of parenting led him to theat circumstance. As stated here, no one really knows or can prove what happened that night, but finding him guilty would mean no one will ever be safe again  – all victims will be criminals if they survive, simply because they defended themselves. So it’s a lose-lose situation.

    • The real Smart Guy

      Aerobob Their lack of parenting, they let a 17 year old go to the store to buy pop and skittles what a horrible crime. NO white parents ever send their near grown child to the store on his own…..what bull chit

      • RandyPhillips1

        The real Smart Guy Aerobob At 2am? Why was he out at that time? I would think there are curfew ordinances in that area. Most of the time they are around 11pm. So why would he be allowed to go to the store at that time? One of them should have taken him to the store to prevent his arrest for that.

  • Aerobob

    What was the motive to murder the guy other than self defense? – has anyone in the court asked that question? No, other than the accusation of him hating blacks.That can be contradicted as well, since it can be proven that he helped black children with reading skills. Let’s face it – Trayvon was a thug, which can also be proven. He was a thug acting suspiciously. His parents are also opportunists, since it seems they didn’t apply any parenting to him, yet were first to join on the bandwagon to sue. They should be accused of being complicit in his murder, since their lack of parenting led him to theat circumstance. As stated here, no one really knows or can prove what happened that night, but finding him guilty would mean no one will ever be safe again  – all victims will be criminals if they survive, simply because they defended themselves. So it’s a lose-lose situation.

  • kmilliorn

    Publius2013–If those are established facts, then there should never have been a trial at all. As I have already said, in the absence of any witnesses other than Zimmerman–who you must admit has a problematic past history (restraining order, etc) & is probably an over-zealous cop-wannabe–there is really no option for the jury but to find him not guilty.

    • DRLJR

      kmilliorn You mean the person who forced the police to prosecute the son of a former police chief for beating up a homeless Black man?  The media and the anti-Zimmerman forces have distorted and created so many facts it takes works to filter them out.  There should never have been a trial.  That is why the original charges of involuntary manslaughter were dropped after the original police investigation.  It was a clear case of self-defense.  This has been reported but is apparently one of those inconvenient facts.

  • provemewrong

    Can you give an example of a black man going to prison for killing a white man in self-defense?

  • NuetralVeiwer

    It is clear to me that some of you will hear what you want to hear and make your determination based on your feelings not the facts. Arguing about racism when one guy called the other a “cracker” per witness testimony and the other never used the “N” word seems to indicate at least one of the 2 were clearly racists. But then he was a “child” so it is okay if he is racist. I am sure he would have grown out of that and become a productive member of society. Maybe had he lived Treyvon would have become a block guardian like Mr. Zimmerman. Opportunity lost I’m sure.

    • RandyPhillips1

      NuetralVeiwer  I think that Tray was just a year or two from doing some serious jail time. He had no job, but could get tattoos and gold teeth. Did his parents pay for that? Did his criminal endeavors pay for his spending habits? The judge didn’t want to allow Tray’s criminal past to be introduced as evidence, because they knew this would kill the prosecutions case.

      • HOFFHACK

        RandyPhillips1 NuetralVeiwer “”BINGO!!!”””

      • ron520

        RandyPhillips1 NuetralVeiwer  
        So are you saying he did us a favor by killing him now, your so full of it.

        • RandyPhillips1

          ron520 RandyPhillips1 NuetralVeiwer  You’re trying to put words in my mouth. Trayvon was just another punk on his way to being a career criminal, if he wasn’t killed by someone some other time. He was a wannabe gang banger. A lot of them rarely see the age of thirty without spending a lot of time in prison or getting killed by other gangs.

    • John Detwiler

      Martin is constantly refered to as a child. A minor perhaps but certainly not a child at 6’3″ and almost 190 lbs. he has surpassed any sence other then thinking of childhood. Although not a big person I sure that Zimmerman wasn’t looking for a phyical confrontation when he returned to his truck where he was asurprised by martin who asked him what his problem. Answering in the negative Zimmernan replied that he didn’t have one. Martin replied, “you have oner now and striking Zimmerman who fell to the ground and Martin straddled him and began pounding on him. fearing for his life, Zimmerman drew his gun and shot him. This was unfortunate but in Zimmernan’s mind he had no alternative. In my mind he is not guilty of anything other than the fact that he had to result to use of a fire arm.

  • provemewrong

    The word of a dispatcher is not enforceable. How many times have we been through that? A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer. You can disobey them without being arrested! The theory of the prosecution seems to be that Zimmerman drew his concealed weapon and went after Martin in order to threaten him. Martin then struck Zimmerman in self defense, so Zimmerman shot him out of spite. The only problem is nobody at the scene can back up that theory. The media has advanced that theory from the beginning, but there is nobody who saw it go down that way. If there is some forensic evidence that can back up that theory, it is about time it gets shown to the court!

    • RandyPhillips1

      provemewrong  Exactly. It is hard to explain how Martin knew about the weapon and fought over it and not have been able to get the gun away from Zimmerman. The fight went on for several minutes. If the gun would have been produced earlier, the fight would have been over much sooner. Zimmerman would never had let as much physical damage been done to his face and head, if the pistol would have come out earlier. The prosecution is just grabbing at straws to find something to hang Zimmerman with. Everything they have come up with has been debunked. They are getting desperate for something to stick.

    • ron520

      provemewrong  
      I think they are right, Zimmerman was told not to follow him, that the police were on the way let them handel it, but no he has to go runniomg down this 17 year kid talking to his girkfriend on the phone, and here comes some nut rumnning after you, sure he no doubt did smack him in the nose and know him down, but there was no banging his head on the sidewalk, and fists are no match for a gun.  Zimmerermin started the whole thing and finished it, I do think they have over charged him, but he should do a year or 2 for what he did.

      • michaelzz

        ron520 provemewrong 
        A year or 2 for, at least, manslaughter?
        Minimum 10 years.

    • RhondaReichel

      It’s standard procedure….not a law per se but as a neighborhood patrol police don’t want any confrontations….just calls.  This example is textbook for what can go wrong.

  • Don DeHoff

    Come on people. keep it civil. How stupid or ignorant some of us may be is not the question at hand. We are talking about life and death issues that  may be influenced by some of your  hearsay, innuendo or unfounded personal opinions.  There are some people “out there” whose sole objective is to “drag red herrings across the trail” to take our focus off of the critical ongoing issues—-then there are others who join in the gutter-talk and unwittingly become one of the bad guys or gals. I personally don’t see how either side is going to get a fair trial, due to all of the unaltered  “BS”.

  • ObamaDualer

    To all the brothas, You mad because Martin played the Knock Out Game and lost. You know what I’m talking about.
    Martin got KO’ed. The killah got killed after he sucker punched Z and broke his nose while knocking him down.
    As Johnny Cochran might say: “You risk it, you get turned to brisket.”

    • BobE

      ObamaDualer Johnny Cochran was THE BEST!!! may he RIP!

  • HOFFHACK

    Well,  facts are facts.  And the old saying that a picture is worth 1,000 words,  and there are about 10 pictures taken by different sources both at the scene,  and some hours later.  Those pictures,  coupled with the Good testimony that he saw Martin on top,  beating a screaming Zimmerman,  certainly,  if not proof of out right innocence,  certainly reasonable doubt.  What happened before that means nothing.  When Zimmerman got out of his truck means nothing.  If Zimmerman were following him (which is not against the law BTW)  The State law is quite specific:  A person has the right to defend themselves any place they have a legal right to be.  Now since Zimmerman lived in the community,  he certainly had a legal right to be there.  If Martin did not want to force a confrontation,  the time line proves that he had more than ample time to cover the 50 or 60 yards and go into the house he was staying,  and “NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!”  Zimmerman stated more than once he had lost sight of him,  HOW THE HECK DO YOU STALK SOMEONE ON A DARK  RAINY NIGHT THAT YOU CAN’T SEE???  
    THOSE PICTURES ALONE,  RAISE REASONABLE DOUBT SEVERAL WAYS:  1)  Why would it have been Martin,  screaming and pleading for help,  when he was un injured until the gun shot???  All you have to do is listen to those screams,  and you know that the person was in fear of his life.
    2)  Not one bit of testimony has yet to show that any aggressive actions were taken by Zimmerman that warranted a physical confrontation,  not one!   Is the belief that someone is following you justification for giving him a beat down,  and beat him until he is nearly un conscience???  Not in any Statute that I know of.  (but high on grass???  Yes!!!  Hey,  it is in the autopsy folks!!!)
        The Defense has more than raised reasonable doubt,  that clearly points to self defense,  the State has just about shot its load,  and barring anything that is new and has not been heard before,  the Jury has no choice but to acquit!  
    NO AMOUNT OF TOUCHY,  FEELEY LIBTARD EXCUSES CAN CHANGE FACTS!   AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO RIOT DOWN HERE,  WELL,  THIS AIN’T NYC!!!!!
    “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

    • Don DeHoff

      HOFFHACK Sir, your post would be far more acceptable if you, in several places,  inserted the little (but very limiting) word, “IF”, or if you had said, “as I understand the facts to be”—-right now, you sound like the typical “guard-house” lawyer. Keep in mind,] we, not being privy to the “real facts”, have no room to be adding hearsay, innuendo  or personal opinions, all disguised as “facts”. I suspect most of the  comments being made are  oft repeated hearsay, innuendo and personal opinions.  It would be a shame an b innocent person to go to jail or a guilty person to go free, based on baseless information.

      • HOFFHACK

        Don DeHoff HOFFHACK   Hey!  I mostly asked questions about things that have already been answered during testimony.   And it is going to very hard for the jury to get past those pictures and convict Mr. Zimmerman.  I have the right to comment on the evidence I have already seen, and it is obvious from some of the posts,  that some people have not listened to the testimony as I have! and  I raise questions that I am sure the Jury is already asking themselves.  I am under no gag order and have not been sequestered!   We have been forced to listen for months now,  what a monster this poor guy is,  when in fact,  from what I have see so far,  he is the real victim,  not Martin.  Yes, he is dead,  but it is his own fault!    Yes it is my opinion,  but it is not based on hearsay!  But the evidence presented so far!

        “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

        • RhondaReichel

          he beats his wife

  • BobE

    I got a feeling Zimmerman is gonna be REAL popular in prison!!! He’ll become a sperm receptacle!

    • Don DeHoff

      BobE   Interesting, you, on your own, without a trial, have found Zimmerman  guilty . I also suspect if you had to keep your posts “civil”, you would be tongue-tied. Let the legal system work, and that includes keeping  your hearsay, innuendo and your unproven personal opinions to yourself.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      BobE Well, you certainly have experience in THAT department there BoobiE!

    • Henry Leunissen

      BobE What a beacon of light you are!

      • LadyBGood

        Henry Leunissen He must lurk!

    • govtrumbull

      BobE 
      Bob, you are a pig.

  • silusdogood

    YOU SHOULD BE IN THE COURTROOM SINCE YOU EVIDENTLY WERE THERE TO KNOW SO MUCH. 
    All accounts point to the fact that Treyvon was a troublemaking punk. Get over your righteous indignation.

  • KennethDuncan

    I don’t understand how trayvons parents are allowed to testify. Obviously they are now looking for a cash cow for their failed parenting.

    • Retired USAF MSGT

      KennethDuncan They have already got the cash cow after suing the HOA and won an out of court settlement.

    • RandyPhillips1

      KennethDuncan  Yep. They aren’t connected to the case, unless they can say something about what happened that night that they know something about. It sounds like his mother didn’t know that much about what her child was doing. If they are allowed to testify, then the records of his criminal and violent activities should be allowed. The press wanted to taint the reporting by bringing out everything negative about Zimmerman, so why can’t they hear all the evidence against  TM?

      • GrumpyOldMan

        RandyPhillips1 KennethDuncan They have nothing of probative value to offer. Consequently they should not be on the stand. Period.

    • bmg28

      I understand they already recieved from the housing project a big sum of money. But they maybe trying for a bigger cow.  Why let them testify to what?  that he was a good guy never did a wrong thing in his sorry life. They are allowed to speak to say what a great person he was wouldn’t hurt a fly, not his fault. Its never the fault of the blacks .

  • jeffmiller47

    Does an 80% black prison population spell racism, or does it reflect that blacks commit  80% of the crimes?

    • HOFFHACK

      jeffmiller47    DON’T STATE FACTS!!!  IT DRIVE LIBTARDS CRAZY!!!

  • evans111

    Shamwil, you are an impressively outspoken African American, which caught my attention because you — right or wrong — are standing your ground in this vicious right-wing forum. Blacks are truly equal to other races in this country and not tolerating lack of respect as citizens. As one of European descent, I voted for Obama, and I would do it again. Now, however, I’m frustrated by his spending $100 million on a vacation in Africa instead of ordering the government to donate that money for relief efforts in starving nations such as Darfur (food and medical supplies, for starters). I’m also disappointed he didn’t reign in the NSA on surveillance and tighten the civil rights of citizens in this regard, instead of allowing the NSA to tighten their grip on us all. Otherwise I think he’s a pretty amazing President and his performance certainly rivals other great Presidents. Getting to the point, I’m curious what you would do differently if you were in Obama’s shoes? What do you think a black American President in the future should do differently from President Obama, if anything, and why?

    • CraigFales

      evans111 Wow is all I’ve got to say. Obama is going to go down as one, if not THE worse president in history. You really need to pull your head all the way out.

      • evans111

        CraigFales evans111 No, I think you’ve got it backwards. You mean I really need to put my head back in the sand like you folks, backside aimed at the coming tsunami.
        If Nixon was black, would you have added “except, perhaps, for Nixon?” Just asking.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        CraigFales evans111 Not only will OBozo go down as the worst president in history (Carter breathed a huge sigh of relief when OBozo was “elected”) but he will also go down in history as setting race relations back over 100 years.  OBozo and Erick “The Goon” Holder that is.

    • bmg28

      There are some very good blacks who would have made great presidents unlike this illegal detroy America jerk. He’s not an American he’s a communist africaner born in kenya.

    • Dave T is me

      How about being Presidential!! He appologizes to foreign countries for our stand for freedom, lies about EVERYTHING!!!, is in the process of destroying our economy, takes way too many vacations at our expense, spies on Americans but will not spy on a mosque, hates christian schools, is in the process of ruining the military both financially and morally, uses govennment agencies as weapons against his political enemies, allow our embassies to be attacked and hides behind the excuse he didn’t know, is disarming us as a world power,…etc. He is NOT a president, He is a thug who got elected by fools the first time and by lieing,cheating and slander the second time. The only reason the Republicans don’t call for impeachment based on treason is that they have skeletons in their closets and BO would use the government new media to destroy them and have a smokescreen for his unlawful and unconstitutional acts in the process.

    • Henry Leunissen

      evans111 
      Any future president, black or white, should do the exact opposite of the way Obama is running (ruining) this country.  You need to pick up some history books.  I assume that you can read.

  • EarlHudgins

    The evidence is proving that Zimmermans story is true…even the witnesses are corroborating his story. Martin was 6’2″ and about 160 lbs. Zimmerman is 5’8″ and 170 lbs. Martin was athletic and  Zimmerman was a couch potato… In a street brawl, I would have put my money on Martin, so what is your point?

  • evans111

    That is about as logical as claiming whites want slavery because it is still practiced by Walmart worldwide (the poorer the nation the better) by a wealthy white Imperialist family.

  • KevinHoman

    Good job making my point for me, the key word is almost of legal age which is not true anyway, he had just turned 17 3 weeks earlier. He was not athletic he was a skinny young boy.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      KevinHoman He was a skinny young criminal that was trespassing.

      • KevinHoman

        GrumpyOldMan KevinHoman Even if thatw ere true it does not give a person the right to take his life.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman GrumpyOldMan But having a person on top of you beating you to a point that you might think you could die and no one comes to help is reason to take his life.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman GrumpyOldMan People were coming to help and the police were almost there.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          KevinHoman GrumpyOldMan Still keeps it from being murder.  “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.”, in this case, eternity.

  • KevinHoman

    You have no proof that he was attacked, not one witness saw the beginning of the altercation. The witnesses that have testified have said that it started as an argument first.

    • RandyPhillips1

      KevinHoman Where do you get your information? NO ONE saw the start of the fight. The fight had gone on for several minutes before anyone came to see what was happening, so how do you know it started as an argument? We can only go by the accounts of GZ as to the way the fight started. His recollection is that he was sucker punched and thrown to the ground where his head was slammed several times on the sidewalk. For the most part, his side of the story has been verified by his injuries. There were supposed to have been at least fourteen cries out for help, after the fight started. NO ONE came to help or break up the fight. The one eyewitness to the fight saw TM on top of GZ throwing punches. He ran inside to call 911 and during the call, the shot was fired.
      It seems that everything you have written so far in this forum, is factually wrong. You must undoubtedly must have been listening to CNN, MSNBC, or some other misinformation rag of the left, to come up with this nonsense.

      • KevinHoman

        RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman  I do not listen to those liberal stations. I have watched the testimony and the defenses main witness said that they were arguing before any punches were thrown. You need to reed the transcripts and watch the testimony.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1  So far, the defense has not started their case or presented witnesses. The one woman that was interrogated said there was an argument, she thought. She couldn’t hear what was going on. She didn’t see the fight until it was almost over. It didn’t sound as though she could see that clearly as to what exactly was going on. The man that was on the stand was an eye witness and I’m not sure who he was supposed to represent, but he was the one that said TM was on top of GZ. He was the one that called 911. He said that he couldn’t tell if GZ’s head was being slammed into the sidewalk, but knew there were punches being thrown by TM
          I keep telling you that no one saw the fight start, so how can you or the people on the stand that the fight started as an argument? No one saw it and the fight went on for several minutes before anyone came to investigate it. TM was probably doing a lot of trash talk as he beat on GZ. This could easily been confused with an argument.

  • Retired USAF MSGT

    Ok all please read the Facts of this case at the following website: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/getting_the_facts_straight_in_the_zimmerman_case.html
    These are the facts and the timeline of the events. I apologize for my previous posts about the actual timeline , I found the incorrect time of the Assault and Battery on another website and it was incorrect. The timeline I have found in the website I have linked to all as accurate.

  • KevinHoman

    What time do you think it was? It was 715 pm barely dark at that time.

  • RhondaReichel

    Zimmerman likes to beat women….therefore a coward.  Following someone around to the extent you get out of your truck and confront them is asking for trouble…..and then to be carrying a gun on you too.  My opinion is he was looking for trouble and yep he would have gotten his butt whipped without his gun on him.  Point is he was told NOT to follow him.
    The general thing police tell EVERYBODY is not to confront them yourself.  That point you made about the 911 operators not having arrest powers is IRRELEVANT

    • EarlHudgins

      RhondaReichel Where did you get that info? I have not heard that he is a wife beater. Do YOU have a link?

      • RhondaReichel

        Heard it on TV….his wife evidentially called police on him before

        • EarlHudgins

          RhondaReichel  First I have heard about that…how is that relevant to this trial, IF it is true?

        • LadyBGood

          RhondaReichel I couldn’t find anything about Zimmerman beating his wife…however, there is plenty on his wife being arrested for perjury!

        • kmilliorn

          LadyBGood–In 2005, Zimmerman & his ex-fiancée both filed restraining orders on each other alleging domestic violence.

        • kmilliorn

          In 2005, his ex-fiancée filed for a restraining order alleging domestic abuse. He counter-filed, alleging the same!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      RhondaReichel He’s not on trial for beating you Rhonda.  You’ll have to file charges on your own for that.

      • RhondaReichel

        Grumpy, nothing worse than a wife beater in my book except maybe a child molester.  I hate men who beat up women ….they are COWARDS.  And another thing, you will never see them get in a fair fight with another man….kinda of like this, taking a gun to a fist fight.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RhondaReichel While I do not disagree with your viewpoint, it is totally immaterial as far as this trial goes, or even what actually transpired that evening.  I carry, and the absolute LAST thing I want to do is have to take it out and fire it.  Other than on a shooting range.  But if put in a corner, I wouldn’t hesitate to take advantage of having it.
          By all accounts, TM was trying to get the gun out of GZ’s holster. It went off in the struggle.  That’s not murder. And had Martin not been where he wasn’t supposed to be doing things he shouldn’t have been doing, it never would have happened in the first place.

        • ObamaDualer

          RhondaReichel You mad, bro/sis?
          Martin tried to play the “Knock Out Game” but he got played. The killah got killed. KO’ed. 
          Martin probably would have ended up a wife beater. So fast to pop off for no reason. You know the type.

        • Henry Leunissen

          RhondaReichel 
          When is your next book on psychodynamics coming out?

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDueler–are you privy to information the rest of us aren’t? We have only Zimmerman’s side of the story. We will never know how the altercation started–only how it ended. Everything else is speculation. As a trauma doc, I know that the scalp injuries could EASILY have more than one explanation, so they prove nothing in & of themselves. The broken nose proves there was a fight–nothing more.
          GrumpyOldMan–There are no “by ALL accounts” –There is only Zimmerman’s account. No one else saw this, so there is no independent verification, so we have no way of really knowing if Martin was trying to get Zimmerman’s gun or not. However, I have to agree with you–what actually transpired that evening is immaterial at this point. What matters is what the jury believes happened.

        • ron520

          GrumpyOldMan RhondaReichel  
          Oh an eye witness, boy Im sure glad you showed up, hurry and tell the police what happened, so they can cll off the case.
          By all of your accounts, if you seen somebody that din’t look right and you called the police and told them about it, and they told you they were on the way, Do not go after him wait, would you think well I have a gun I will just go take care of this myself and kill the person if I have to or want to, they will not be around to tell there side.   Just like now we are getting only one side of thev whole thing because one is DEAD

        • Lucky3511

          kmilliorn Unfortunately what the jury hears is dependent upon the Judge if the Judge is not prejudiced against GZ he could get a fair trial. It seemed from the beginning the prosecution was running a hate fest on GZ. Until their prosecution witness started talking.

        • ObamaDualer

          kmilliorn Exactly milliorn, we don’t know. You don’t convict on “We don’t know.” It is the burden of the prosecution to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt their case. So far, they’ve got nothing that meets that burden.

    • bmg28

      This is an untrue comment from a typical liberal who know best how to lie  lie  lie They like to invent news worthy of liers.    Zimmerman likes to beat women??????? what a crock of $h–        Don’t invent to the story, read the facts lady and keep your head in the sunlight. Liberals can’t stand to hear the truth on any subject!!!

      • JamesMcIntyre1

        bmg28 I disagree with one point. Liberals do not like to invent lies, they LOVE to invent lies. Without their lies or distorting facts there is sense to any of their arguments.

    • RandyPhillips1

      RhondaReichel  I remember hearing something about the domestic charge. But if it were true, there was no way his Concealed Carry Permit would be legal. You aren’t able to get a CCP with any domestic violations, fighting in public, or public intoxication. He did have a valid CCP, so your argument must not valid.
      The problem is that Zimmerman did get his butt whooped and good. Had he not had the pistol, he may have been killed. Your point of he was not told to follow TM was obeyed by Zimmerman. He turned around to go back to his vehicle and was attacked, before he got back to it. 
      Yes, it is true that the police in larger cities tell people not to confront the bad guys. They have also told women in some states that they aren’t smart enough to handle a firearm properly. Women are supposed to pee in their pants, tell their attacker the have an STD, or find a pull station somewhere, if they are about to be raped on some college campuses. Some 911 centers tell women when there are intruders in their house, is not to confront them and cooperate. This has gotten a lot of people killed too. It has been found that crimes have gone down for the past twenty plus years in every state that has adopted Conceal Carry Laws. It is a deterrent to all violent crimes.

      • kmilliorn

        RandyPhillips1–There evidently were no charges associated–just “dueling restraining orders”!

  • bmg28

    You don’t have to experience anything.   Okay so call me a sick puppy  I recall in the 30’s and 40’s when some of my best friends were blacks.  But they have certainly changed. I blame most of their problems on liberals and all of the government, especially the illegal sitting in the White House.  So you are blind to the truth and whats happening I feel sorry for you especially being a liberal God help you!!!!

  • xeriscapelady

    Martin did not belong there in the first place. he was probably going to steal. He had been kicked out of school numerous times. Martin  was big and mean. Case closed.
     Zimmerman helped blacks and had some in his family. Again, liberals trying to make it race and it is not. Zimmerman was lucky he had a gun or he would have been dead. I thank GOD that Zimmerman got out alive and now he should walk. This case should not have been in the first place….BUT the liberals made it a case. Its ALL lies for Martin who was up to no good.

    Let Zimmerman go and live a decent life. I feel so sorry for what he has gone through.

    • LauraLeeScott

      xeriscapelady Martin’s father and half-sister were living in this complex. GZ got out of his truck and followed him. GZ had a gun which he should not have been carrying, most groups who patrol do not want them to carry. Martin turned and confronted him. GZ stated he {GZ] he reached in his pocket for his cell phone.  What do you think Martin thought when he saw GZ reaching. Of course Martin tackled a Porto Rican who was following him.[GZ]  GZ should not have gotten out of his truck or been carrying a firearm. He asked for trouble and he got it.

      • RoyKoch

        LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady Yeah, and the Pilgrims shouldn’t have gotten off the Boat at Plymoth Rock, and we wouldn’t have a RACE Problem!

      • Henry Leunissen

        LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady 
        1) “Of course Martin tackled a Porto Rican”.  By what logic?  2) “GZ should not have gotten out of his truck”.  GZ was there to protect the community.  3) Martin’s behavior was suspicious.  You need to go to logic school.

        • LauraLeeScott

          Henry Leunissen LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=puerto+rican

        • Henry Leunissen

          LauraLeeScott Henry Leunissen xeriscapelady 
          nat/bos?jk4n?jjklu7fg//..khvv(ldl;mknsds7ljgvkk.

      • DRLJR

        LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady All the credible reporting, including reports based on the dispatch recordings, is that TM has disappeared before GZ got out of his truck to verify where he actually was located for the police.    There is no evidence of any contact until TM attacked GZ.  A lot of “facts” have been been created by the anti-GZ folks.  One of the first deceptions was the photo released by the TM parents which gave the impression that TM was a youngster.  TM was a bulked up teenager.

        • LauraLeeScott

          DRLJR LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/george-zimmerman-says-prays-for-trayvon-martin-parents-daily/

        • LauraLeeScott

          DRLJR LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady Martin soon turned to confront Zimmerman and “asked me what my problem was” before the exchange escalated into violence, Zimmerman told Hannity in his first TV interview, conducted in an undisclosed location in Florida. The 28-year-old, with his attorney sitting by his side, said he reached into his pocket to find his phone to call 911 for a second time, and “I looked up and he punched me and broke my nose.”
          Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/george-zimmerman-says-prays-for-trayvon-martin-parents-daily/#ixzz2XdpLsaC2

        • DRLJR

          LauraLeeScott DRLJR xeriscapelady Which clearly states Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman.  The whole point is that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman.  And Martin was killed in self-defense.  Martin had disappeared before between two houses as reported and he came back and  attacked Zimmerman.  Zimmerman had observed a person acting suspicious, called dispatch and end in the end was attacked.  This is the event everyone keeps trying to dismiss.  All of the evidence shows Zimmerman as the victim.

        • Lucky3511

          LauraLeeScott DRLJR xeriscapelady God protect us from these liberal pray for thugs types. I suppose you pray for the Boston Killers and the 911 terrorists.

      • RandyPhillips1

        LauraLeeScott xeriscapelady Lady, if you have a concealed permit, there is no reason that you can’t carry a gun. From what I understand, there were few people to come out to volunteer to help guard their gated community and mostly dumped the responsibility on Zimmerman.
        Martin didn’t turn and confront Zimmerman. He ran away and doubled back on Zimmerman. He was waiting on Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck. Martin sucker punched Zimmerman to start the fight. He then slammed him on the ground and tried several times to use a sidewalk as a deadly weapon on Zimmerman’s head. The fight went for several minutes, before Martin knew anything about the pistol. Had Zimmerman not been armed, he may have been killed. Most of the events before the fight can be heard on unedited 911 tapes.
        The only reason GZ got out of his truck, was to find a building number to give police a better idea of where TM was headed. He was walking back to his truck, when he was attacked. On the 911 tape, at no time were you able to hear labored breathing. This would be an indication of a foot race. GZ had been walking for a little while before the 911 person asked if GZ was following TM. He turned around once he found the building number.
        Saying GZ was asking for trouble is like saying people that work in convenience stores want to be shot. He was doing his job to help protect the people in his neighborhood from having their cars being broken into. TM probably used that neighborhood as his main base of operation. You don’t have a bunch of stolen women’s jewelry in your locker at school by walking its way there on its own.

      • DMJ

        LauraLeeScott  Why shouldn’t GZ have been carrying?  He has a Concealed Weapons Permit, which means that he can carry in most places.  Why shouldn’t he be able to defend himself, especially since there had been several break-ins already in that neighborhood?
        Martin was a thug.  He had already been suspended from school several times, and he was on suspension at the time of this incident.  Even his “friend” said that Martin told her that he arrived at his destination and then circled back to confront Zimmerman!

    • LadyBGood

      xeriscapelady  I wonder how much of this case would have been pursued IF:  Zimmerman was black?  AND if obama hadn’t of stuck  his 2 cents in and say that if he had a son, he’d have looked like Trayvon?

    • kmilliorn

      Xeriscape lady–Read a full account of the incident before you make a judgment about whether Martin “belonged” there–he was there with his father, visiting the father’s fiancée who lived in the compound.

      • ron520

        kmilliorn Yes, and he was just walking home from 7-11 and
        getting a can of cola and a bag of candy for someone at home, and was talking to
        his girlfriend on his cell and told her that someone was following him and then
        he started to run and the person following started to run also.  From here we
        are all guessing including me as to how he was killed.  But we all know that he
        never followed orders to do not follow him just stay put and wait for the
        police. Another thing is that his own Doctor while on the stand said his head
        was never pounded into anything, just hit something one time, she said she put a
        band-aid on the small bump and cleaned the scratches and did no sewing, and also
        that his nose was not broke unless she seen x-rays showing different.  Nobody
        will ever know for sure the thousand different ways things could have happened. 
        There are a few good posts on here that I agree with, but most I disagree with
        expect that I don’t think that will ever convict him on murder 2.  How ever in
        my opinion he should have done what they told him to do, let the police handle
        it. The want to be cop made his call and should have got in his truck and went
        to Target, but he went chasing after trouble and found it, and I think he should
        get some time in jail for it.

        • ObamaDualer

          ron520 kmilliorn Since you stated so many thing that are wrong, it’s hard to believe what you have said about the doctor’s report. Martin wasn’t walking home, but to his father’s home. He was getting tea not cola. Jeantel was a friend not his girlfriend. The dispatcher did not and cannot order a citizen to do anything.
          It soundls like you’re repeating omeone else’s rehash and not getting it correctly.
          Did you see the photo of Z’s nose? Take a look at it http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/george-zimmerman-closeup.jpg
          Here is an image of the back of his head. Ther eis a long cut that is bleeding on it and a separate wound to the right. http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/George-Zimmerman-Head-Injury1.jpg
          Martin had no right to punch Z for asking Martin a question. Martin would be alive if he didn’t try to play the Knock Out Game. He played and got played. KO’ed/ (killed off) The killah got killed.

        • DRLJR

          ron520 kmilliorn If you actually paid attention to what was actually reported you would know the person George Zimmerman observed was not just walking home.  He was going into yards and looking into windows.  Mr Zimmerman called the police dispatch to report it and was reported this person.   People keep saying that the police instructed him to not follow but what has shown is that the dispatcher stated they did not need Mr Zimmerman to do that.  Beware the spin of the people who are trying to make Trayvon Martin into some innocent child.  He was a 17 year old who was apparently a gang-banger and into trouble with the law.

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDueler–His nose looks pretty clearly broken, but needs x-rays. There still can be a number of explanations for the lacerations on the back of his head–concrete, stucco, gravel, tree bark (any rough surface). Since Martin was staying with his father, to argue that he was not on his way “home” is splitting hairs.
          Since you clearly are certain of the exact sequence of events, it’s a wonder you haven’t been called as a witness.

        • ObamaDualer

          kmilliorn Why would you even introduce tree bark, gravel or stucco when it is known that the fight took place on the sidewalk. Are you trying to obfuscate things?
          Mr. Good has testified regarding where the fight took place. It’s not really in dispute.
          Trayvon didn’t live with his father, so it’s not his home which is significant in a gated community.
          PS. It’s ObamaDualer – big difference.

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDualer–Apologies about the name!!! Not trying to obfuscate, but since Martin was found lying on the grass, as I recall–we have Zimmerman’s word that his head was pounded on the sidewalk & nothing more. The same injuries could have happened if he had fallen back & landed on the back of his head on the sidewalk or something else rough. You surely cannot argue that someone who has just shot another man dead would have no incentive to make the assault he had suffered as bad as possible in order to garner as much sympathy as possible. He may well be telling the truth–we are in no position to tell for sure.

        • KevinHoman

          ron520 kmilliorn  Finally somebody that knows what they are talking about.

  • kmilliorn

    Silas–You have a ringer, then! There’s a doc floating around here using the same moniker–He’s quite memorable for refusing to provide emergency medical care to illegal aliens in his ER–but that’s a whole ‘nother problem! (Can you tell I’m not terribly impressed?)

  • EarlHudgins

    Cowboy citizens? Apparently you have never been out and about on the streets…There is danger lurking in places you don’t even think about. When confronted by someone meaning you harm, sometimes, most of the time, in fact, the police are minutes away. You have a choice to be a victim or get to walk away… Zimmerman walked away.

    • Evermyrtle

      EarlHudgins If Zimmerman had been killed he still would have been the bad guy.It is so obvious that because he was not the black guy he was in the wrong. Did not the prez say so???

      • Lucky3511

        Evermyrtle EarlHudgins The prez also said Trayvon Martin was like a son he wished he had. I xan understand that seeing he was trying to hurt what he thought was a white guy.

        • EarlHudgins

          Lucky3511 Evermyrtle EarlHudgins  And as usual, he was WRONG!

      • EarlHudgins

        Evermyrtle EarlHudgins Damn…you are right. The prez DID say so…and If he said it, it MUST be true, right?

  • shamwil

    sorry youre wrong, it was the british

  • shamwil

    Everyone has seen an episode of Law and Order: SVU, Criminal
    Minds, CSI, Southland, etc. or some other police detective show which
    shows how wearing a hooded sweatshirt is used to disguise someone in a
    robbery or murder because they could easily hide their faces.  So black
    men and boys should not wear these types of clothing because they are
    looked upon as a potential criminal and will be targeted especially by
    law enforcement.

    If
    we never heard the recordings and if the mother had been a single
    mother from the projects, we never would have known about this case. 
    And how many black males have been shot and killed in this country by
    police officers since Trayvon Martin died?

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil I have worn hoodies for more than fifty years and have not committed the first criminal offense in one. My hoodies haven’t gone out on the street, when I’m not wearing one to commit any crimes either. It is the mentality of the person wearing it and how it is worn. One of my hoodies has AkMed, the dead suicide bomber on it. Does that make me a domestic terrorist?
      Don’t be so sure that we would never have heard about this case, if his mother was single in the ghetto. The press and WH were looking for an incident to start using the race card on for the election. This was what they thought was the perfect crime to build their agenda on. It hasn’t worked that well for them, but it got them through the election.

      • Lucky3511

        RandyPhillips1 shamwil Anything that boosts the name of a terrorist is not what one would call good taste. If a relative of a victim of Akmed took a baseball bat to your head you would realise how stupid to avretize support for a killer

        • RandyPhillips1

          Lucky3511 RandyPhillips1 shamwil AkMed is a Jeff Dunham puppet. Look him up, if you have never heard of him.

        • RandyPhillips1

          Lucky3511 RandyPhillips1 shamwil DUUUUH!?

      • DMJ

        RandyPhillips1 shamwil It is not wise to wear a hoodie with the hood up.  It looks suspicious.  It may not be illegal, but is is unwise.

        • RandyPhillips1

          DMJ RandyPhillips1 shamwil I wear one up when it is windy, rainy,  or cold. No one gives me a second look. That’s when it is supposed to be used. I normally wear it down.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    You doubt my word on this issue?

    YOU may want to do a little fact checking on your own.   I did.

  • BobLanese

    this whole trial is pure bull shit, just look at Zimmerman’s head and nose, and then look at the punk kid,,,, who attacked who, not to difficult when you look at the two involved… But Zimmerman is white and the punk kid is black. so they lock up the white guy. i can’t wait till the jury comes back with a non guilty vote and then all the blacks will start rioting like they always do

    • shamwil

      BobLanese zimmerman is the punk guy, you mean a grown man cant handle a 17 year old, if trayvon did beat him, he couldnt fight him back, he had to shoot,

      • DMJ

        shamwil BobLanese No, a grown man who is out of shape and shorter cannot handle a 17 y.o. who is in shape and less than a year away from being a man.

      • ObamaDualer

        shamwil BobLanese Rather than guessing whether Martin could beat up Z, look at the facts. Z suffered a broken nose from a sucker punch that knocked him down. There is going to be a witness – a 13 year old boy named Austin Brown – who saw the punch that knocked Z down. 
        Austin also saw Martin bang Z’s head against the sidewalk. So yes, Martin got the upper hand. But his Knock Out Game didn’t end the way he wanted it to. The killah got KO’ed. 
        He should have walked away from Z or answered Z’s question. But he acted like a thug and died like one.

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDueler–I have looked at over a half a dozen sites that detail his testimony & all say that Austin Brown was walking his dog & came upon Zimmerman already lying on the ground, crying. He said his inttial impression was that the man might have slipped & fallen, & maybe broken his leg. In at least one interview he was asked directly if he had seen the punch & said he had not.

        • ObamaDualer

          kmilliorn Interesting. The UK paper reported it differently. Let’s see what happens. The UK paper interveiwed the mother who claimed the police tried to get him to alter his story. I don’t recall which paper it was.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    “but some blacks  came here in chains, oppressed,brutalize, etc…..”
    Can you show me one living person of ny color that came here in chains?
    Not in the last 4 generations, and they need to grow up, leave the government plantation and work on making a better life for their descendants.

    Millions of Blacks already have so it’s not really an impossible task.
    What happened to great, great, great grandpa has nothing to do with their current problems.

    • AZDon

      GrumpyOldGoat 
      Your right but if you think any of them will listen to you your also wrong.

      • GrumpyOldGoat

        AZDon GrumpyOldGoat That’s fine.
        It causes spittle spots on their computer screens.

    • Lucky3511

      GrumpyOldGoat A very good point, however, what we see of a large number of their upbringing is there is no chance of civil behavior. The sight a the black woman throwing bricks and chasing a young woman reporter with a baseball bat and two pit bulls loose, just because she asked a question from the footpath.

  • Henry Leunissen

    SilasDoGood.  Trust the legal system?  After OJ?

  • AZDon

    What is a law person? I worked law enforcement just under ten years. The person he spoke to was a dispatcher. No authority what so ever. Cannot tell him what to do can only suggest or recommend. However, according to the actual report GZ did stop following him and start to return to his vehicle. That is when TM attacked him. Had I been in the shoes of GZ I would have done exactly the same thing.

  • Henry Leunissen

    What do ancestors have to do with this?  With your attitude you will never get anywhere.  For your information, provided that you can fathom it, I am European bred with seven years of higher education, came here, went to work and now own seven houses.  I do not feel like trash.

  • Henry Leunissen

    Bob, you got one thing right: this WAS a free country.

  • Mohammandsucks

    Just a bunch of scum!! Tawana Brawley ring a bell, even after it came out that she lied, they still did their riot act and killed..What a joke!!
    Tired of the racist crap!

    • Jeff93

      Mohammandsucks Al Sharpton made her lie! She lives in Toronto now, cause she can’t stand  US Black Leadership!

      • enubus

        Jeff93 Mohammandsucks 
        Are you speaking of the fraud Twanha Brawley?

  • KevinHoman

    Get your facts straight under oath they said he was 5’11” and 158lbs. There is no facts that he belonged to a gang and the irrelivent anyway. By the way i am an extreme conservative..

    • RandyPhillips1

      KevinHoman He had a video on his phone that showed his wannabe gang buddies beating up on a kid over a bicycle. You are right that it had nothing to do with the case, but his being a thief that enjoyed playing the knock out game did. I have heard conflicting reports as to the size of TM, but the fact remains he was physically bigger and probably stronger than GZ.
      I doubt very seriously you are even close to being a conservative.

      • KevinHoman

        RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman  I have more Conservative blood in my pinky than you have in your whole body.There has been no evidence of him being in a gang or a thief, you just say that because he is Black.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1No, I had heard of his possible involvement in gangs a couple months ago, but had no proof. I did see some tattoos that may have been like a tattoo for a gang, but it wasn’t clear enough to tell. I did see a video taken from his cell phone that did confirm it. He also had pictures of a pistol that was to believed in another person’s possession that he was interested in buying. That was enough to know that he was hanging around with several guys that beat up on people and stole things. That is usually called a gang. Whether or not it was part of a larger, more well known group, I don’t know that. But he was a thief. It has nothing to do with his being black. If you saw the pictures of him a few years ago compared to recently, you would have seen the transformation. He had at least six or eight gold teeth and several tattoos. He bragged about knocking people out with his fists and how he needed to go beat someone up. He was a wannabe gangster.

    • HOFFHACK

      KevinHoman    Right!  He got kicked out of school for drug possession (or worse,  some of the records are sealed because he was then a minor)  he was a member of a “FIGHT CLUB”   and people who knew him have stated that he would use his fists at the drop of a hat!  But he was just a poor wittle kid!!!   GET A GRIP MAN!  ANNNNNND!!  HERE IS A LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR ALL YOU NAY SAYERS:  “CHUCK NORRIS IS 5′ 8″ TALL AND HIS FIGHTING WEIGHT IS 154!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • KevinHoman

        HOFFHACK KevinHoman Now you are comparing a child to Chuck Norris an accomplished well trained martial Artist. Ok  let us come back to reality. This was a boy that just turned 17 with no fight training. Do you make this stuff up just to hide your racist explanations. If the situation were reversed you would want TM prosecuted for killing GZ. Go back under your racist uninformed rock.

  • Henry Leunissen

    Smart Guy, Your tortuous guessing is no smarter than anybody else’s in this forum

    • RandyPhillips1

      Henry Leunissen  I was corrected by a writer that said I had most everything else right in my assessments except for the time line. But he also gave me the information that Martin had take 45 min to get as far as he did from the convenience store by ducking under overhangs and looking around cars on his way back. This was the suspicious behavior GZ called the 911 center over. So I feel confident in my thoughts about the subject and that this was just a political ruse to get BO reelected. That’s why the judge wanted the base rules not to mention that this had any political implications or motives.
      But of course, I can admit if I am wrong, when confronted with facts. There are several deniers that can’t come to the same conclusion. The majority of what I have written has been correct from the first.

      • grafra102

        RandyPhillips1 Henry Leunissen : Hey Randy Phillips, you know what BO is???STINK, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT!!

    • HOFFHACK

      Henry Leunissen An your incessant babbling by refusing to look at the facts is becoming tiresome!  ZIMMERMAN IN INNOCENT,  MARTIN IS THE ONE THAT WAS GUILTY!  GET OVER IT!!!

  • RandyPhillips1

    I do have to make an apology about one thing I was corrected on by another writer. The shooting was to have taken place around 7:30 that night, so the part of being out beyond curfew was my mistake. Trayvon still had no business out acting in a suspicious manner in a neighborhood where he was more or less trespassing.

  • dougiefresh54

    The sad part of the whole thing is that Sanford is being tarred and feathered by the media over something that the SPD was ready to address by charging George Zimmer with manslaughter instead of going for 2nd degree murder. They probably would convict him on manslaughter but the evidence is seriously lacking to convict on 2nd degree murder. Bad choice on the part of an outside prosecutor brought in by media pressure.

    • HOFFHACK

      dougiefresh54    The facts of the case do not warrant Manslaughter either,  but they had a chance with that,  if they got a bunch of dopes on the Jury,  and it does not look like they did.

  • Lucky3511

    Our society under the Great Dictator is pushing to eradicate the white folks and hand America over to the black folks. They just got a trifle confused when they thought Zimmerman was Jewish. It screwed things up when he turned out to be Latino. Still as Holder always said, never let a good crisis go to waste. And continued to push what looked like an attack on a black

    • Henry Leunissen

      Lucky3511 
      And guess what if the blacks take over this country.  Look at all the cities that have a black major.  AND DO NOT CALL ME RACIST, ALL I DO IS STATE THE FACTS.

  • EarlHudgins

    While I agree with the premise of your statement, YOU realize, the prez is only a puppet, right? The elite run our country and the world… the prez only gets do do and say, what THEY want him too. BTW, I am a TEA PARTY member and did NOT vote for O.

  • Pumpkin 1

    I listened very closely to all the witnesses this last week of the trial.  I did miss the first day.  It seemed to me that all the witnesses, even the friend who was on the phone, were put there by the defense, not the prosecution.  I thought that the only one that hurt him was the first lady that said she thought that the red jacket was on top.  That could have been when he slid out from under the body.  The phone friend said that he reached his father’s place, and then ran back.  It sounded to me, after all the racist statements  Martin was saying, that he decided to run back and confront Zimmerman.  I think that the girl was basically telling the truth.  Adding the “get off, get off” was trying to help her friend.  I don’t think that she really heard that.
    I really feel for Trayvone’s parents in losing a child, but they did know that he was a troubled teen.  If I were them right now, I think that I would be very embarrassed.

    • RandyPhillips1

      Pumpkin 1 I have heard conflicting reports as to what the black girl has ever been telling the truth. Her story has changed several times. I’m not sure. I haven’t heard all of her testimony. I did hear the racist comments and how she didn’t think they were. That is just the backward low information mentality of this girl. they see no wrong in what they do and no respect for others.

      • Marilynn Reeves

        RandyPhillips1 Pumpkin 1 She could not even go to the funeral because she was in JAIL. Birds of a feather do flock together.

      • kmilliorn

        Randy–It’s clear that she’s not the brightest bulb in the box. I’m not certain she can remember what she’s said before.

      • HOFFHACK

        RandyPhillips1 Pumpkin 1   First of all,  what does she really know????  Only what Trayvon chose to tell her. She was miles away!   I mean,  was he really going to say:  “I was casing out these town homes here,  and some whitey Cracker is spoiling my gig”??????   And I repeat,  if you follow the time line from when Zimmerman told the dispatcher he lost sight of him while he was still in his truck,  and when her cell phone dropped the call,  Martin had 5 to 7 minutes to cover the 60 or so “”YARDS””    (he probably could have run it in 40 seconds if he was so scared)   and be back in his place safe and sound.  Nobody obviously educated him to the fact that you don’t go around attacking people in Florida,  that is a good way to get shot,  and that is exactly what happened.  He chose to stick around and try to “way lay” Zimmerman out of the dark,  and Mr. Good’s testimony,  and the pictures  tell the rest of the story.  As clear cut a case of Self Defense as you will ever see!   LIVE WITH IT LIBTARDS!!!

        • RandyPhillips1

          HOFFHACK RandyPhillips1 Pumpkin 1 I didn’t know how far his father’s girlfriends house was away from the place where the confrontation started, but I thought he should have been fairly winded to have run there and then back to Zimmerman’s vehicle. Listening to her is like listening to someone in and out of reality or she’s just making stuff up. The girl is I think making things up to cover some for the family. She acted so surprised when the lawyer came to her with the transcripts of  her previous testimony. She looked very uncomfortable having to recount her testimony. It was like she could say anything she wanted and it didn’t matter. But to be held accountable for previous statements, it was like a light went off that someone had it written down. It made her hesitate as to what she was agreeing to. You could tell she didn’t like it. She was telling the court that she was ready to leave. I was wondering if anyone really checked her phone records to see if she was really talking to TM.
          This girl is pretty much like the parents. They don’t have anything to offer as far as evidence. They thought the girl would have been helpful in talking to Tray around the time of the shooting, but it is apparent she wasn’t prepared for cross examination. Someone said that there had been called by the defense team. If  I remember right, no one is called for the defense team unless the prosecution has presented their evidence first. It kinda confused me that the person made the statement. I thought that the prosecution had presented all of its evidence and the defense was starting their presentation. I haven’t been able to watch the trial, I just get reviews on the net about the proceedings.

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 HOFFHACK Pumpkin 1 The information I gleened was 60 yards!  Which a young fit Jock could cover in less than 10 seconds!

        • HOFFHACK

          RandyPhillips1 HOFFHACK Pumpkin 1 and,  it came out in her testimony that she was not HIS GIRL FRIEND…..BUT A FRIEND!!!  (credit Martin with a little taste,  Woof!)  Martin was staying in a town home about 60 yards away from the scene,  just a quick wind sprint!  She was miles away,  and clueless!

        • DRLJR

          RandyPhillips1 HOFFHACK Pumpkin 1 Early reports indicates she was caught in some many lies that the prosecution should never have tried to use her.

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 HOFFHACK Pumpkin 1 : RandyPhillips1, you are talking about that black girl right?? Ok, I believe she lied up her ying yang. I watched the trial, and she could not even talk right, and rubbing her forehead like she di not want to be there. In some instances she got little DEFENSIVE. That did not look good to me..

    • enubus

      Pumpkin 1 
      Troubled teen?  The punk was a thug and attacking Zimmerman, he got what he deserved, shot in the gut!

      • Marilynn Reeves

        enubus Pumpkin 1  Too bad he did not live, maybe this would have been his wake up call.

        • enubus

          Marilynn Reeves enubus Pumpkin 1 
          perhaps zombie or vampire!

    • Evermyrtle

      Pumpkin 1 You are right about Trayvone’s parents, the agony of losing a child like that, I cannot imagine; but Zimmerman apparently had no choice, if he wanted to live. It was such a tragedy, any way you look at it, but nothing can bring him back.

      • Jeff93

        Evermyrtle Pumpkin 1 Trayvon’s parents were LOUSY Parents! Period!

        • LauraLeeScott

          Jeff93 Evermyrtle Pumpkin 1 You can not blame the parents for the actions of their children all the time. There are good parents who have bad kids. The Peer group can have more effect on children than most parents.

        • DMJ

          LauraLeeScott  True, Laura.  But in this case, the parents DID know what their son was up to.  He had been suspended three times, and parents are always told why.   She should have taken disciplinary action to change this boy’s behavior.

      • grafra102

        Evermyrtle Pumpkin 1 : Maybe so it is hard to loose a child, and I lost two in auto/motorcycle accidents, but this is something the parents should have done about his behavior when he at the age of understanding.. Divorce is not an option for excuse, and my kids all grew up to be good kids, and one of my son’s is studying to become a DEACON., AND ALL MY GRANDKIDS ARE GOOD. They all have good jobs and one is studying to be a NURSE, and one is going into PRODUCTIONS. AND THEY ARE BLACK. So bringing up children where are the parents heads now a days, no wonder kids are like they are…!!!

        • Evermyrtle

          grafra102 Evermyrtle Pumpkin 1 You are absolutely right. His lack of punishment for bad deeds is likely why he is dead. If the parents are wise enough to realize this fact, how much more, will their misery be at the death of their child. I cannot imagine how they will deal with the fact that  it is much their fault that their child dead and it is too late to be sorry, they can do nothing to change this fact..

      • The real Smart Guy

        Evermyrtle If he had no choice why  wasn’t Trayvon Martin’s DNA  not found on the grip of George Zimmerman’s gun, and Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under the unarmed teen’s fingernail if the big fight took place? Also Zimmerman claimed on FOX he didn’t know about the ins and outs of Florida’s “Stand Your Ground Law” yet because he wanted to be a cop took college level courses that covered that law in particular? He said there was a fight but the DNA doesn’t show that and he claimed not to know a law he studied in College in an attempt to be a law enforcement officer, I call bull manure, toady’s testimony just sank old Georgie boys case

        • ObamaDualer

          The real Smart Guy Evermyrtle 
          (A) This isn’t a DNA case.
          (B) There is no reason for Martin’s DNA to be on the grip of Z’s gun because Z blocked Martin from getting it and it was Z who was successful in drawing it from the holster.
          Martin has blood on his hands. which isn’t too surprising since he hammered Z’s nose with his fist.

    • Marilynn Reeves

      Pumpkin 1 Yes, I listened to the trial this week too and agree with you. According to the 1st policeman on the sceen and with what condition Zimmerman was in I would say he was the one on the bottom. If I were on the jury could not convict on what I have heard. To me the parents never paid much attention as to what was going on in their sons life pryor to this but now they seem to really be playing it up looking for a BIG PAY DAY.  The girl is also really playing it up, don’t think she knows as much as she says she does and she has got a smart mouth.

    • HOFFHACK

      Pumpkin 1 All the witnesses so far have been called by the Prosecution.  Now the Defense will call their witnesses,  some will be the same,  and some will be different.  But from what I have seen,  the Prosecution has totally shot their load,  and the totally failed to break Zimmerman’s testimony.   And that women that said that “Z” was on top was really not in the best position to see what was going on,  it was pitch dark,  and raining of course.  Heck,  “Good”  was only 15 feet away and outside,  and he could hardly see them,  she was considerably further away.  I think the Jury will take her with a grain of sand.  The pictures of,  and His injuries,  the wet pants (in the back only)  and “Good’s”  testimony just blew the prosecution out of the water  (and they know it,  that is why they called him as a “P” witness)  to try and blunt what he had to say.  The neighbor that first saw “Z”  helped him too!!!  As hard as the Prosecution tried to say that “Z” was calm and collected,  like some sort of depraved killer did not fly.  When they asked the cop at the scene if he acted strangely,  and was too calm,  he shot right back:  “NO!”  You could have heard a pin drop in the Courtroom!

    • grafra102

      Pumpkin 1 : Well Pumpkin1, Are you talking about that black friend on the phone??? You know she, I believe she lied, and if she lied about her age then she could not be credible witness as far as I am concerned. She did not even know how to talk, and could not understand her..!!!! The attorney had to tell her to speak as to be understood!!

      • enubus

        grafra102 Pumpkin 1 
        I believe she is the wife of the cartoon ogre and as we all know stupid is as stupid does, no matter what the media tries to do to give her credibility.

  • Bull57

    Why don’t they have regular people on after the days trial is over and not these combative attorneys. I’m sure the attorneys aren’t on the jury!

  • Mariomac

    You can blame the cowardly DA for this mess! The police have known from shortly after they began their investigation that GZ shot TM in self defense. If the police knew it then they told the DA. It’s the DA’s decision to prosecute. Have you thought of this? TM’s family is going to sue GZ in civil court no matter the criminal trial verdict. The burden of proof is much easier in civil court besides they have heard just like everybody else of the fund set up for GZ to pay his legal bills. They will do whatever it takes to ruin GZ just for whatever gain they can get and because he’s not black!

    • Jeff93

      Mariomac Martin’s parents, who are divorced quite a while and his mother has a different name, have already sued the housing complex owners for about 6 Million Dollars! How’s that for a payday! Zimmerman Needs to countersue, especially NBC which digitally altered the 911 tape! He’ll have his payday too!

  • ron8072

    Difficult to read but I think you are right.  He should walk even if they find him guilty.  I can say from what I have seen, Zimmerman will walk, unless, like you say, the prosecution
    comes up with a couple of eye witnesses.  And then the country
    explodes.  Probably the only way to avoid the conflagration is to hang
    Zimmerman, guilty or not.  Isn’t that a sad fact?  Traditional Americans
    have to stand up and make themselves heard.  Things have gotten out of
    hand.  You do realize of course that the fuse has already been lit on the next race riots.  I think that whatever happens, there will be riots all over.  Any city large enough to have a MLK BLVD.  That is not my original thought.  Got that from somewhere.  But I think it is true also.  Add to this mix the rulings by SCOTUS on voting rights.  In Chattanooga, there have been gatherings of NAACP and others crying about how wrong that ruling was.  They say we will start denying the black vote again.  WHAT?  We need to get ready.  The pot is stirring and beginning to bubble.  Keep you and yours safe for the next month or so.

  • JoeZimmerman

    Gorden   you   are   a    racist    fool   ZIMMERMAN   is  innocent    and    should   be   set   free   at  once   ,,,,,,,,,,

  • shamwil

    well you know , back in the day, my father when he was a young man, now deceased was young boxer and he took on men bigger than him……

  • MadAngel
  • Jeff93

    Also, a few years ago Zimmerman led protest against Sanford Police Dept., when the son of a white officer beat the hell out of a black guy and got off with no charges! He, Zimmerman led the protests not a black guy, him! So there goes your Attack on his Character notion! Another thing, he called 911 constancely, once because someone left their garage door open, another time when car windows were left open, again when a couple were arguing inside their apartment! he was an over zealous Kojiak!

    • HOFFHACK

      Jeff93    That is not correct.  People keep saying 911.   Zimmerman,  either on the night of the shooting,  or in the other instances you mentioned DID NOT CALL 911……….HE CALLED THE NONE EMERGENCY NUMBER EACH TIME!  So let’s put this 911 junkie business to bed once and for all!  Now Good,  and the others,  they called 911,  not Zimmerman!  And I do the same thing in our gated community,  except we have a security patrol.  It’s called being a good neighbor!!

  • kmilliorn

    ron520–I am grateful that I am not on that jury. From what I have seen, read, & heard, I don’t believe there is sufficient evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt. You have summed up the whole case in one sentence: “No one will ever know for sure the thousand different things that could have happened.” There is no direct, unbiased witness to the whole incident–only a lot of if’s, might’s, could’s, & maybe’s.

    • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

      Being on that jury would be a snap. Zimmerman is guilty. He had a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head. Taryvon only had scratches on his fists. It is so obvious that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon and struck him violently on the fists with his nose.

      • DRLJR

        Begneli I like the satire.

      • Pumpkin 1

        Begneli I know this is not a funny situation, but you definitely made me laugh.

  • Jeff93

    But he is still NOT GUILTY!  duh!

  • Jeff93

    Yea, nothing worst than a wife beater, but I haven’t heard that yet! If it were true, the Media would be saying it constantly, so where did you hear this MSNBC or NBC Nightly News!

  • jeffmiller47

    I’m 5’6 and 223 lbs … that’s fat and out of shape.  When I was in the best shape of my life in high school where I played football, basedball, and ran sprints in track, I weighed about 145 lbs.  I’d put the “skin and bones” buy up against the fat guy any day.

  • Jeff93

    Actually, there is proof, one witness call 911 when he heard yelling outside, then looking out the window, said Martin punched him in the face & then got on top of him!  Also, Martin dopey, fat girlfriend said he almost reached his fathers finance house and then went back to confront him (Zimmerman)! There goes your Black is Beutiful Theory! He’s not charged with leaving his truck, or killing or gun possesion. He is charged with 2nd Degree Murder, which means he had to have planned it in some way, such as, because Martin was Black! Perry Mason could not prove that! Vertic–Not Guilty!   RELAX!

  • michaelzz

    You are missing the main points.
    It’s not about the confrontaion.
    It’s about the “cause” of that confrontation.
    The critcle points are, #1 Why did Mr. Z continue his pursuit of Mr. M , when it was suggested that he not do that, and would he have pursued had he not had the weapon.
    The apparent cause was M. Z’s pursuit.
    it is that simple……………..
    mz

    • thismustend

      michaelzz 
      There is NO PROOF that Z pursued M at all & you know it. He tried to TALK to M & like ALL racist black punks M had a chip on his shoulder & attacked Z. The FACTS of the case point to M being the aggressor & if he had been a “white” man Z would not have been charged with a crime.
      QUIT race pandering & look at the FACTS of the case.

    • lasershot1

      michaelzz When GZ was told to “not follow”, it was already probably too late.  The thug turned around and probably got right on GZ.  Too late the 17 year old thug loves to beat on white folk.  He just did not realize GZ had a gun.

  • kmilliorn

    DRLJR–I am not interested in “whitewashing” Martin, nor do I believe it impossible that Zimmerman might just embroider his story just a little to justify his own actions. If you look at the Google Earth view of the compound, for example, the town houses really don’t have “yards” as such, beyond tiny handkerchief-sized patches of grass in front. In back, there is a common strip of greens with a sidewalk running down its center. This is the area in which the altercation occurred.

    • DRLJR

      kmilliorn The attack is reported to have occurred on the street near the Mr Zimmerman vehicle.   Mr Martin has disappeared and then came back and attacked Mr Zimmerman.  All of Mr Martin apologist keep ignoring these facts.  So far all the available information supports Mr Zimmerman’s statements.  And people are doing to their best to White-Wash Mr Martin starting with his parents when they released a 2 year old photo that did not reflect what Mr Martin actually looked like.

      • kmilliorn

        DRLJR–After looking at the NY Times diagram of the site, I think I can make sense of what happened. It is Zimmerman’s contention that Martin punched him at his vehicle–which would have had to be parked on the other side of the buildings from the grassy area where the shooting took place. It is entirely possible that Zimmerman fell to the street here, injuring his scalp. Or he could have injured it on the sidewalk–but Martin was not lying on the sidewalk when found dead. The two COULD have rolled around a lot, but the fight didn’t last long. Whatever the case, I do not wish to “whitewash” Martin, but I’m not sure he deserved the death penalty either, like some here, who have decided that he was already a drug-addled career criminal. Be that as it may, there is insufficient hard evidence for anything but a “Not Guilty” verdict.

        • DRLJR

          kmilliorn The facts of the case as revealed by the credible reports put Mr Martin attacking Mr Zimmerman at or near Mr Zimmerman’s vehicle.  It does not matter where it actually happened.  If Mr Martin had not attacked Mr Zimmerman he would be alive today.  Instead the evidence shows Mr Martin came back after leaving the area and attacked Mr Zimmerman.  The only person who had any injuries was Mr Zimmerman.  Mr Martin only had marks on his knuckles which are consistent with punching.   Mr Martin died as a result of his attempt to kill Mr Zimmerman.  That is why the police after reviewing the facts of the case never charged Mr Zimmerman in the end.  There are reports of an initial charge of involuntary manslaughter which were dismissed after a review of the available evidence.

          So yes – you are trying to “whitewash” Mr Martin.  When you use phrases such as “I’m not sure he deserved the death penalty either” you are trying to “whitewash” his death by pretending his death was the result of something other than his own violent actions.  Beating someone’s head against a curb is an clear attempt to maim or kill the individual.  Mr Zimmerman was protecting his life from a violent attack that he in no way provoked.    This is the point of many of the posts.  It was a clear case of self-defense.  And the only reason Mr Zimmerman is being prosecuted is because of Black racism and Black refusal to hold Black individuals responsible for their own behavior, along with a politically motivated prosecution.  And the prosecutor who fabricated the current charges is apparently not even prosecuting the case.  
          But at least you acknowledge the only valid result is a not guilty finding based upon the credible information.

        • kmilliorn

          DRLJR–Neither you nor anyone else saw Martin bang Zimmerman’s head against “a curb” or anything else. The injuries could have resulted as Zimmerman said or they could have resulted from his falling after being punched–even you have to admit that (as well as the fact that Zimmerman cannot be called an unbiased witness). Zimmerman has a history of assault on a police officer & resisting arrest in 2005, charges for which were dropped after he completed a pre-prosecution diversion program

        • kmilliorn

          DLRJR–So, Zimmerman, too evidently had a temper, as well. Once again, NONE OF US was present at the altercation AND we are getting ONLY ZIMMERMAN’S SIDE of the story. AND he, like ALL people in his position, has a vested interest in making his side of the story look as innocent as possible & Martin’s look as bad as possible.
          The only forensic evidence available are photos of Zimmerman’s broken nose & the scalp injuries, & some minor injuries to Martin’s knuckles.. There was evidently (from what I’ve read) no blood on the sidewalk–odd, if Zimmerman’s head was repeatedly bashed into the sidewalk, right?, because scalp wounds bleed like stink (I’ve sewn up a few).
          So, you see, this case is not a matter of black & white (or whitewashing). If it were, there wouldn’t be so much heated discussion.

        • KevinHoman

          kmilliorn  I agree with most of what you said except for the fact GZ didn’t even have a broken nose.

        • DRLJR

          kmilliorn Except your are ignoring what was reported by the medical techs and police.  You are trying to find something that is not there to justify Mr Martin’s attack on Mr Zimmerman.  That is what your posts indicate.

        • kmilliorn

          DRLJR–I have no dog in this fight. I am just skeptical of too much certainty in the absence of much evidence.

        • enubus

          kmilliorn 
          Most people thought you may have been an idiot until you wrote this and proved it.  There was a witness who saw the thug on top of Zimmerman doing “ground and pound”!

        • kmilliorn

          KevinHoman–I admit I have not seen a report or x-rays, but clinically, based on 26 years of trauma surgery, it did look like a broken nose to me–sorry about that.

        • SilasDoGood

          kmilliorn  No blood on the sidewalk because it WAS RAINING!  Get a clue K…..

        • RandyPhillips1

          kmilliorn Well, you can bash someone’s head enough to knock them out and not cut the head, if it is done on the flat of the sidewalk. The injuries probably came from his head being on the edge of the sidewalk. Depending upon how much of the sidewalk was exposed before the  ground came up to the edge, will also have a bearing on the injuries as well. the amount of hair also makes a difference. It was also raining that night, so there is the possibility that between the rain and people walking around the area before the crime scene was secured, that that area may have been compromised.
          I had a head injury a few months ago myself. I was trimming tree limbs and a twenty foot limb about four inches across at the thickest part came out of the tree, when I finished the cut, it fell about twelve feet. Because of  the chips coming from my pole saw, it temporarily blinded me when the limb came down. The limb caught me at the edge of the top of the skull. I had a four inch gash in my head. It wasn’t deep, so I shook off the hit I took and continued to work for another hour and a half. When I got inside, I found that I had blood down to my jaw line. I did not have any stitches, because the bleeding had stopped.
          My point is that GZ could have take a couple hits to the head on the flat part of the sidewalk, before he was able to slide out to the grass. The cuts to his head probably came from the edge of the sidewalk. Unless TM had no resistance to his slamming GZ’s head to the sidewalk, he may not have been getting a full stroke on the sidewalk. The injury may have been causing some disorientation for GZ, but not enough to pass out. The fact he was able to move to the grass, saved him.
          So, we have the attacker with injuries to his fists from hitting the soft parts of the face. People that have some experience using bare knuckles, will be able to use their fists longer than a person that doesn’t fight on a regular basis. It also depends upon the structure of the hand. Some people can withstand more injuries to their hands than others. Some people’s bodies are more resistant to injuries than others. Just like in the construction business, three people can use a shovel. In a day’s work, one person may get callouses, another blisters, and the other show no wear on their hands. Skin difference and bone structure can make a lot of difference. 
          I don’t think I am trying to whitewash anything. You have a thug that took 45min to walk a mile from a convenience store. He was ducking under porches, I assume to avoid the rain some, but was also peeking in people’s windows and messing around cars. This information I got from the person that wrote another article, that contacted me about the 7:30 timeline. The kid had a history of hanging around with other little thieves and he was one himself. What do you think he was doing? A volunteer night watchperson reports the suspicious nature of this guy’s actions to authorities. The neighborhood had been plagued with break ins and this guy was doing what he thought would curb some of the activity. Supposedly TM was only about 60 yards give or take from where he was heading. He could have gone on and hid from police, they had nothing on him at the time, but he chose to come back and confront the volunteer. 
          Zimmerman in my best estimates, tried to defend himself from the attack of an out of control teen. TM was staying where he was, because his mother couldn’t control him and sent him to his father. It is not know, except by the person living, as to whom started the fight. The fight did get violent enough that one individual did pull a weapon to save his life. The injuries sustained to his body in comparison to his attacker, shows he got the worst end of the fight. There was a recent incident in another city of a person playing the knock-out game, walked up to a person sitting in a car at an intersection, struck the person once with his fist, and killed the driver. So, unarmed or not, this kid tried to use the sidewalk as a deadly weapon, he used his fists for several minutes in a repeated flurry of strikes to the face, and was shot after the person with the most injuries thought his life depended on using his weapon.

        • ObamaDualer

          kmilliorn If the straight-line cut on Z’s head had occurred from him hitting his head from a knock down punch, it would have broken his skull as well as the cut being deeper.
          That means Z was telling the truth when he said Martin was bashing his head while he was laying down on the grass.
          If you watch the 15 minute video on YouTube of Z showing th epolice what happened, you’ll see he isn’t attempting to hold anything back and that his story makes sense, including when he says he walked down the sidewalk to the other end because there were no numbers on the back of the townhouses.
          The location of the fight also fits in with the account Z gives. So yes, Z’s account appears to be accurate. That’s why he wasn’t charged with anything until after Jesse Jackson and Sharpton got involved – the police believed Z’s account and had no reason to dispute it.

        • kmilliorn

          Silas–Could be–depends on how hard it was raining. I.just watched the video on the link posted by ObamaDualer. I highly recommend it–It makes Zimmerman’s narrative more coherent & he seems a very credible witness.

        • grafra102

          kmilliorn : I am sure it will be “NOT GUILTY VERDICT”!!!

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDualer–See my remarks elsewhere after watching the video.

        • Jeff93

          kmilliorn So… your saying Zimmerman hit himself?  Also, he had more than one cut in back of head, what did he do, get up & fall down, get up & fall down, get up & fall down again and again!   And Zimmerman led the Protests against the son of a Police Chief who beat the hell out of a Black Homeless Man and didn’t get charged! Your Reaching!

        • kmilliorn

          Jeff93–Not even close! Zimmerman’s video reconstruction of the incident is pretty convincing & makes much more sense than the posts here. (Someone said Martin bashed his head into a curb, some said he confronted Zimmerman at his car–lots of misinformation). Watch the video for which ObamaDualer provided the link.

      • Cherieo3

        DRLJR kmilliorn   The photo was of the kid when he was 12 yrs old…not 17 yrs. old.
        A BIG difference from the sweet looking little boy of 12  to the tatooed  17 yr. old.

        • DRLJR

          Cherieo3 DRLJR kmilliorn All the reports I saw was the photo the parents released was of when he had just turned 15.  However, it did not reflect Mr Martin’s real appearance and was intentionally deceptive.

    • Cherieo3

      kmilliorn  Many, if not most, townhouse complexes have just a small amount of grass front/back/between other buildings…that’s just because land prices are so expensive they build them close together.

  • Lerojist

    Zimmerman is innocent.  The whole incident is a tragedy.  
    Zimmerman was doing his job, but Trayvon become combative, I suspect due to the drugs he had in his body.  He couldn’t think right.  The drugs are the killer.
    Zimmerman is INNOCENT.

    • RandyPhillips1

      Lerojist The drugs may have had some affect, but you were dealing with an out of control kid. Martin was staying at his father’s girlfriend’s house, because his mother couldn’t control her son. He hung around a bunch of violent thieves and wannabe gang bangers. He liked money to spend on gold teeth and tattoos, so he probably became a thief to support his spending habits. He liked the idea of trying to be a tiff guy and knocking people out with his friends. In as much it was a tragedy, this kid was a time bomb that had a hair fuse. It was probably inevitable the fate of the kid. He was on the wrong path to success, that was going to either see him a career criminal or dead.

      • Lerojist

        RandyPhillips1 Lerojist   I agree with you

    • thismustend

      Lerojist 
      Zimmerman IS innocent but drugs had nothing to do with this, black RACISM is why Martin is dead & the fact that his lowlife parents immediately copyrighted his name & have blatantly PROFITED off of his death tells you the kind of upbringing he had.

      • Lerojist

        thismustend Lerojist  I agree with you

  • Danlee

    I don’t know what news report you read or hear. The new sources that I access have I think done a good job. I can find reasonable doubt just by all the testimony show on the Internet and the TV. I see there was not much of a case to start with.. I think he should walk unless the state can bring in m

    • grafra102

      Danlee : Yea, a waste of yours and my taxpayers money. GZ will walk a free man..I would sure get the hell out of DODGE though..

  • HOFFHACK

    Yeah Kevin,  you say that there is no place in NYC  that you are afraid to walk at night???  THEN SIR,  I SUGGEST THAT YOU  LIVE IN A DREAM WORLD.  There are plenty of places I would not go there,  and I carried a gun!!!  Heck,  they’ll kill you for your coat in Bedsty or Harlem!  (and plenty more too)   And if you are white,  your life expectancy after mid-night is about 30 seconds!

    • KevinHoman

      HOFFHACK  You watch way too many movies, I used to go to Harlem all the time and I am white by the way. They are people just like us and if it were as bad as you say nobody would live there because they would be dead or in prison. Come back to reality. I fear no man because God is my protector and Jesus is my savior.

      • HOFFHACK

        KevinHoman HOFFHACK Movies my A$$!!!  I was a Licensed Process Server for 14 years and worked all 5 boros of NYC.  And I have seen it all!  I have been attacked with knives,  ball bats,  clubs,  fists shoes and even teeth,  over stuff that was run of the mill to any sane person.  And the only thing that kept me alive was the .45 they wound up staring into!  And that nearly half inch hole,  speaks volumes!  Ball bats get dropped,  knives get throw down,  and usually you see nothing but cheeks and elbows going in the other direction!  Please don’t even try to talk to me about NYC.  Even after Rudy cleaned it up,  it was still un-safe in many places!

      • pissedoff

        KevinHoman HOFFHACK  Bill Clinton would without Hillary!

    • Cherieo3

      HOFFHACK   It’s a ‘jungle’ out there…simply put!

  • shamwil

    There is a saying,   THE DEAD IS ALWAYS GUILTY,      who says Zimmerman is telling the truth, I seem many defendants lie to get themselves off the hook…that is know proven fact

    • DRLJR

      shamwil Except the evidence of the case support Mr Zimmerman’s statement.  That is why police collect evidence to either find evidence to either support or refute the statements of defendants.

  • thismustend

    Guilty, are you f—ing kidding me? Did you see his FACE & HEAD, exactly how long are you supposed to wait to DEFEND yourself? If this had been a “white” guy beating the $hit out of Zimmerman & he defended himself he would not have been charged with a crime, you know it & so do I. This is the result of YEARS of “white” guilt BRAINWASHING by our media, Hollywood, schools & politicians & RAMPANT black RACISM by race hustlers like Sharpton who has made MILLIONS from the black victimization B S.
    I DO know what happened. A neighborhood was being TE RRORIZED by black hoodlums who were breaking into homes & committing crimes. Martin is walking at night, through that neighborhood & Zimmerman, neighborhood watch leader, was trying to PROTECT his fellow citizens from ANOTHER home invasion. Martin, being a typical, RACIST black, took offense to being questioned, ATTACKED Zimmerman & probably would have ki lled him if Zimmerman had not been armed.
    The ONLY reason Zimmerman was charged is because he had a “white” last name & the ever vigilant leftist media & race hustlers swooped in like the vultures they are to try & make this into something it is not.
    Black on “white” crime has SKYROCKETED since Obama took office & roaming gangs of blacks routinely attack innocent “white” people on the streets, raping, robbing, beating & murdering them. MOST are never prosecuted despite posting VIDEOS of these vic ious attacks on YouTube. The cops won’t touch them because they don’t want to be labeled racists. The media REFUSES to report this epidemic of violence because the perps are black, it is a DISGUSTING display of cowardice & race pandering!

  • HOFFHACK

    I have no doubt that the usual suspects will riot in the usual places.  And the black hoods will suffer again.  Businesses will leave,  infrastructure will be destroyed,  all as an excuse to steal sneakers and tv sets (oh,  maybe some Heiniken too!!!) like during Katrina!   But they better not try it down here!  We don’t call 911,  we dial .357!!!

    “””””MOLON LABE!!!”””””

  • lasershot1

    richnjsouth:::::: WELL SAID

  • lasershot1

    Most of the inner city residents want to be there because they are reciients of support from the welfare state.  Anyone with the ambition to get out for a better life is able to do that, no matter how. hard.  Example:  someone born in Kenya ca, thru lies, BS and whatever else it takes can become president of our U.S.

  • lasershot1

    GZ had the gun and was authorized to use it when deadly force required it.  Such as against the grown up thug 17 year old Trayvon Martin.  If he was to volunteer for neighborhood watch, he had to crry a gun.   Nobody in their right mind would go on patrol for the prevention of crime without the gun.

    • KevinHoman

      lasershot1 This has nothing to do with GZ carrying a gun it has to do with him being the aggressor and trayvon defending himself. The Police were on there way and GZ should have stayed in his truck.

      • parkerglp

        KevinHoman lasershot1 I disagree…from some experience.  I live in Greeley, CO and have called 911 a couple times.  If the police come and you are not standing almost on the person, they will not get their lazy a$$es out of the car to look for the person!!  Zimmerman initially said he followed Martin so he could keep track of him until police arrived!  I would have done the same thing.  Martin was a thug and I don’t doubt it for a second that he would not even have second thoughts about killing Zimmerman and fleeing the scene!!!

        • KevinHoman

          parkerglp KevinHoman lasershot1  I have to disagree with you because he was just a young kid coming home from the store. In my community we have people coming in all the time that do not live here and nobody confronts them about why they are here. We live in a free country and we can go anywhere we like without being threatened.

        • Cherieo3

          KevinHoman parkerglp lasershot1   Oh, come, come Kevin..
          you can’t just pop into any community that you chose.  Gated communities are private property and YOU would have no business in there unless invited..so don’t think YOU HAVE YOUR RIGHTS…you do not!

        • DMJ

          KevinHoman 17 yo’s are not “young kids”. They are practically adults.

      • DRLJR

        KevinHoman lasershot1 Except you are ignoring the reported facts of the case.  Mr Martin has disappeared and Mr Zimmerman was verifying his exact location for police.  Mr Martin came back and attacked Mr Zimmerman.   As a result of Mr Martin’s action he got himself killed.

        • KevinHoman

          DRLJR KevinHoman lasershot1 None of what you just said is factual it is only the opinion of GZ the man that should go to jail for at least 10 years.

      • lasershot1

        KevinHoman lasershot1 ok sorry, i did not know you were there and had firsthand knowledge.   my bad.

    • kmilliorn

      lasershot1–It seems to me that there should be a difference between “neighborhood WATCH” & a policeman or sheriff’s deputy–which is what it appears Zimmerman was trying to emulate. He was not content to WATCH from the safety of his vehicle–which is how the whole downhill chain of events started to deteriorate. You’re statement is correct: he was not “on watch”–he was “on patrol”, as though he believed himself to be a law enforcement offficer. He had no authority to be out there following Martin & had been told this was ‘not needed’, (Surely he had not become head of the neighborhood watch without some training in this regard, as well.)

      • Cherieo3

        kmilliorn   Again, you do not know.  You don’t live in a gated community.  So where are you coming up with such statements.  A community watchman is NOT a police officer but patrols the community and when confronted by an unknown persons will contact police for help.  All gated communities can not HIRE city/county deputies…come on…use some common-sense.

        • kmilliorn

          Cherieo3–From Zimmerman’s apparent actions, its unclear that HE understood the differences between a neighborhood watchman & a law enforcement official. He had to be told by the police dispatcher to not follow Martin, but he was ALREADY doing that. The individual with a shortage of common sense was Zimmerman. He had authority to watch, but not to confront or to restrain any suspicious individuals. His job was to identify them, notify the police, then wait for the police to come & deal with them.

    • grafra102

      lasershot1 : Well, because he was licensed to carry that gun yes allowed, but I am a neighborhood watch block captain, and being trained as such we are not allowed to carry a weapon. We are not taught to be cops, only my cell phone is my gun.. Another thing I have a watch captain on each block, and that is where the help is.. I do not do my whole community, but that does not mean I do not watch..

      • enubus

        grafra102 lasershot1 
        Zimmerman had a CCW.

        • grafra102

          enubus grafra102 lasershot1 : Yes I know, even though, we can not use a gun in our community, even with a CCW..We do not have that right as the guy with the BADGE..

  • HOFFHACK

    Boy,  some people will grasp at any straw.  “HE BEATS HIS WIFE!!!”    That was all a HE SAID SHE SAID incident where they both had restraining orders AGAINST EACH OTHER!  AND BOTH WERE DROPPED WITH NO CHARGES!!!

  • lasershot1

    If you are carrying a gun, you need to be trained in its use.  You have it with the intention that if you get into a situation where you could die, you have to defend yourself and that means you might kill someone.  Thats the reason you carry it.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      lasershot1 Actually, he was trained to use it.  If you get a CCL, which he had, you have to go to a CC training course and pass a test to get your CCL.  Part of the test is to know when it is and when it isn’t legal to use your firearm.  You don’t get to run around waving your gun around when you have a CCL, when ever you please, something the instructors stress over and over during he CCL course.

  • lasershot1

    If you are carrying a gun, you need to be trained in its use.  You have it with the intention that if you get into a situation where you could die, you have to defend yourself and that means you might kill someone.  Thats the reason you carry it.

    • RandyPhillips1

      lasershot1 In my state, in order to qualify for a CCP, you have to go through a firearms training course or have been through a safe hunting course. The courses have a certain amount of live fire training included. It is not a total training course, but does give people experience in proper combat shooting. NC has a similar training course. It is a similar ritual to get a motorcycle license. You can go through a training course or you have to go through an obstacle course set up by DMV to get your license.

    • JoeZimmerman

      lasershot1 
      Yep   thats    why   I  carry   a  gun  is   to   protect  myself   by  killing   any   A–HOLE   who  messes   with  me  ,,,,

  • HOFFHACK

    KEVIN.  KEVIN,  KEVIN!!!  NOW I KNOW I WON THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY RESORT TO “NAME CALLING!!!   What “ROCK” have you been hiding under.  It has been established by talking to friends and acquaintances that have stated repeatedly that “HE BELONGED TO A FIGHT CLUB,  AND WOULD USE HIS FISTS AT THE DROP OF A HAT”  I was 19 when I went in to the Navy,  I was 5′ 11″,  160 pounds,   and was capable of some “Whoop A$$ myelf!!!”  Get off this kid crap!  He was old enough to enlist in the Service,  which is 17 with parental consent,  that is not a kid in any RATIONAL PERSONS BOOK!!!
    WELL,  I have to go now,  I am signing off on this thread because it is getting too time consuming.  I will come back,  after Zimmerman gets found not guilty.  I may even set up  a suicide hot line for guys like Kevin!!!!  Bye for now!!

    • KevinHoman

      HOFFHACK Name calling, I have not called you any names.You shot yourself in the foot again, you said he could enlist but not without his parents permission. I train professional athletes for a living and trayvon was no Athlete.

      • HOFFHACK

        KevinHoman HOFFHACK   well,  maybe you should go to a colleague,  and have the upper part of your body,  the part between your ears,  examined!!!  bye!

  • Fr. John+

    IT matters NOTHING. The Obamanation is a corrupt, lying, ‘resident of the Niger’ scam job on White, Christian America. Mr. Z was painted all these things, even when it came to light, he WASN’T WHITE!  That should have been your first clue, that the new RELIGION in the USA, is Negerfurherism.
    The Writer Cambria points out the huge difference between our cultural/racial/religious past, and the heresy we all imbibe today, in his columns. Here’s the most recent.
    http://cambriawillnotyield.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/the-return-home/
    I refuse to worship an inferior race. Because neither did the Founding Fathers. Remember the 3/5ths rule? America is being damned, for race-mixing, and sodomy- two sides of the same miscegenationist, idolatrous coin. Have you never read Ezra?
    (I say this to you, because you call yourself a clergyman. You know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God, if you deny the above assertion.) Ez. 9:2ff.
    “I am an aristocrat. I love liberty, I hate equality.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randolph_of_Roanoke

  • AZDon

    NO

  • ddenney1

    Tragic CASE all the way around. But if you are to believe the Prosecution witnesses testimony so far he’s not guilty of murder just bad judgement? I do not understand yet how he Travon got into the “gated community” after leaving the convience store?

    • KevinHoman

      ddenney1 Are you kidding me all you have to do is wait for someone to open the gate and walk right in or drive in if you have a car.

    • kmilliorn

      ddenney1–He was staying there, at the town home where his father lived with his fiancée.

    • AZDon

      ddenney1
      Gated communities give the appearance of being secure, they’re not. Gun free zones give a false feeling of being secure, they’re not. I once lived in a gated community while waiting for my house to be built, I had two automobiles stolen and another broken into and the contents stolen. Gated communities are not secure. Without patrols and guards at the gates, even then it is not a system that cannot be breached. It is just like everything else when it comes to security it depends on only one person YOU.

    • Cherieo3

      ddenney1   He got the code from his father or woman living with him.  It’s not all that difficult it you know someone living there to let you in.  Or who knows..maybe he climbed the walls..?

  • MadAngel
    • AZDon

      MadAngel
      What exactly do you mean “almost” don’t blame them? Does that mean you support someone murdering GZ for defending himself? If so you are worse then ignorant. Personally I don’t care if these N—-rs riot in their own neighborhoods and burn their own homes or even kill each other. If they come into my neighborhood threaten me, my family or property, there will be more then one laying dead here. Oh, they may get me but not without a fight that some of them will regret, perhaps for eternity.

      • MadAngel

        AZDonMadAngel 
        AND THERE IT IS “Personally I don’t care if these N—-rs riot in their own neighborhoods and burn their own homes or even kill each other.”
         Methinks you’d side with ANYONE as long as it was AGAINST a black

        • phdmarty

          MadAngel AZDon  In fact it makes no difference who or what color these people are, you threaten my family with some BS anger because someone was cleared of killing some thug, you WILL regret your actions, PERIOD! I blame those two pseudo reverends for making such trouble. Just like when they stuck their noses into the Lacrosse players accused of raping an exotic dancer. They raised all kinds of hell accusing them of racism and rape. Between the girl and those two racists they ruined all of their educations and lives. Then when she admitted they did not do it, where were they? Not one word from those two or any form of apology. If it was a white girl and three black guys, it would never have made the news. If the color fits, then it is what it is. When this story about Zimmerman was first reported, I could tell they were trying to set him up. As the truth and the rest of the information came out, it didn’t take to much thinking to know TM was a thug who got caught by someone who was doing exactly what the Neighborhood watch was set up to do, stop crime. As for being there with his father, that is not what was reported. It was said he MAY have visited his father’s girl friend. However, she denied he was there. Who is trying to bend the truth? No wonder people are taught to shoot to kill as dead men tell no lies. In this case, there are those trying to do it for him!

    • Evermyrtle

      MadAngel THIS is the biased lying trash, that is on line anywhere, any time, when you are seeking what you want to find. If you want the truth you must seek the truth. This is nothing less than a vendetta against a man that almost died at the hand of the one, he was forced to kill if he chose to live. I can imagine his distress at having forced to do what he did.

  • RandyPhillips1

    I had been under the impression from early on until last night, that the shooting took place at 2am. An author of another article said I was right in most of  thoughts except the event took place at 7:30. He did also say that TM had made a 45 min mile from the convenience store, looking in windows of houses and cars, while ducking under porches. Guess it was raining a little much, but had no business looking in the houses.

    • Lucky3511

      RandyPhillips1 I think the words you were looking for was casing the layout

  • AZDon

    There is a lesson here which only a few seem to get according to the statements here. If someone is not able to control their emotions and therefore, becomes physically aggressive in a state where concealed carry is legal and either with their actions or words threatens another’s life or with bodily injury they should realize what happened to TM can and may happen to many more. This “ain’t rocket science.” An armed society is an equal society and is by necessity a polite society. The ones who are not polite get weeded out, sometimes the hard way the way TM did sometimes they just learn, which is the easy way. In any case it does appear TM got what he deserved and GZ should never have been charged. Anyone who does not understand what their actions may produce should be more passive in their confrontations. TM “was” an ignorant punk crook but he is no longer a drain on society. Furthermore, race has nothing to do with it, so you ignorant folks who are trying to make it raciest have some lessons to learn as well. The question is will it be the hard way or the easy way?

  • shamwil

    I dont know here you got that from, but you need to research more carefully, yes african sold african into slavery,  many capture in wars, but it was  the europeans who came there to get slaves, from many europeans countries and transported them overseas, they were many europeans who got rich off the slave trade……

    • Lucky3511

      shamwil Get it right, Arabs did the slave transporting and interfacing with Europeans in Spain etc.

      • DRLJR

        Lucky3511 shamwil The African slaves transported to the America by Europeans was done by Portuguese traders.  The slaves traded to the Portuguese traders were going to be put to death since the slavers did not need them and they were excess property.   People conveniently, especially Blacks, like to ignore the real history of the slave trade since it was Africans and Arabs that originally ran the African slave trade and that trade continues  to this day.

  • Lucky3511

    The Author sounded very like he really felt GZ was guilty but was talking the talk of beyond reasonable doubt. Which is exactly what all the liberals involved in this case have been doing, only not quite getting it across that he could be innocent and definitely forgetting the part about being innocent until proven guilty.  Based on all that has come out GZ should have been kept overnight and the facts as known examines some more but he should never have been charged. It was all a political move to ram tougher gun laws down on us and to support the notion a man with a Jewish name killed young black boy. Everything of this was a total distortion of the truth, it was a latino defending himself against a hardened street thug

    • DRLJR

      Lucky3511 Based upon the reporting Mr Zimmerman was released that night based upon the evidence that clearly indicated self-defense.

  • shamwil

    I already got it right, I dont have a distorted view of black history like you do, europeans came to african and set up forts all along the coast lines, I seen it for myself

    • sashamanda

      shamwil Good. Then you also know that some African nations still practice slavery. And you know that African tribes  made money capturing their own kind and selling them to Europeans. Or maybe you also know that African-Americans are far more likely to murder whites and Hispanics than the other way around. Or that the black murder rate is 700 percent greater than the white rate? Oh, but then I guess what happened generations ago is much more importatnt than what is happening now.

    • pissedoff

      shamwil  yous needs to return to school, learning reading,writing,arithmetic. Also we speak American English not some gibberish yous are trying to pass-off on us with  (dis dat and wid) and many other such gibberish yous use.

  • shamwil

    yes, there is still slavery, but also remeber that there is also white slavery, do you know about that, as far as these statisitcs, i dont know where you got them from, but look at the economic disparity between black and white, 6.3 white unemployed compare to 13.7 black  unemployed, also more blacks in the prison because it is designed that way in this society, blacks get more prison time as I stated before, when you have peoples oppressed, improvished in this society, yes they will commit crimes, and that goes for any nationality of peoples not just blacks, I am glad you are the priviledge one…..

    • sashamanda

      shamwil There is something called the Uniform Crime Report. The FBI collects crime statistics from every jurisciction in the US. It”s a tragedy that Black unemployment is as high as it is. But then, it is to be epected given the higher black dropout rate, the lower academic test scores, and smaller percentage of degreed blacks. And those statistics hold even in all-black schools and cities. Given that nearly 75 percent of black babies are born out of wedlock explains much of the educational gap. As for poverty being the excuse for high crime rates, there are white pockets of Kentucky with far higher unemployment and poverty, and they don’t have near the rate of crime.
      No one forces black kids, especially black boys to drop out of school. No one tells black kids not to study harder. No one forces black men and women to have babies outside of marriage. (There was a higher black marriage rate during slavery and Jim Crow than there is now. Whose fault is that?) Black people have choices. They can keep doing what they have been doing and keep getting the same results. Or, they can stop blaming everyone else for their bad behavior, start to tell the truth, and stop doing the very things that ensure poverty.

      • NuetralVeiwer

        sashamanda shamwil AMEN! I hear all this complaining about no jobs for the uneducated black man. Sad truth is uneducated Mexican men walk across the hot desert risking life and limb for a job in the USA and far to many black men wouldn’t walk to the corner for that same job.

    • JoeZimmerman

      shamwil 
      Intercourse    yourself

  • shamwil

    also that 700% you gave blacks kills more latinos and whites in false, wouldnt nobody agree to those figures, that is put out there for people to shoot down black men because they are all branded as criminals, that is why they all are for zimmerman, because blacks kill whites, there are whites who kills blacks too, it goes both ways. I wouldnt want my child to walk into a community and get shot simply because he is black,unarmed and viewed as a criminals, they are criminalzing young black children so that they give them police records

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil You need to stop smoking what you are smoking and maybe watch something other than BET to get your news!

    • Henry Leunissen

      shamwil 
      Shamwil, you’d seem more intelligent if you would just shut up.

    • JoeZimmerman

      shamwil 
      Thats  because   they   deserve  to be  locked  up   like   animals   in  the   zoo ,,,,,

    • sashamanda

      shamwil There is opinion, which you expressed. And then there is hard data. And the hard data does not support your opinion.

    • RoyKoch

      shamwil As a Retired Fl. Corrections Officer 16+ yrs. Dealing with “Travons” in a Youthful Offender Prison, ages 14 to 24,  I can Assure you that You Don’t Have a Damned Clue.The State bends over Backwards to AVOID Locking Black Youths up!! They are Referred to other agencies, No Bed Space, released to Parents, Adjudication Witheld, Pre-Trial Intervention etc. THEN they get Probation. Ask any Black male in the system, “What are you in for?” Answer– “Violation Of Probation”. They clam-up when asked, “What did you Do to get Probation?” White Boys do not get 5 or 6 breaks before the Judge says, “Take Your Ass to The Pen!!”Talk to any Correction Officer,  and they’ll tell you That!

    • enubus

      shamwil 
      I guess you never took English Composition in your short stint with secondary education.  Sad!

  • shamwil

    You most certianly got a point there…the truth does hurts doesnt it,

  • shamwil

    I dont know what the hell I watch, and I dont watch bet……..which I should,    possibly come out more with the facts

  • Henry Leunissen

    Your last paragraph expresses to a T what I feel for decent black people.  I have a whole lot more admiration for a black person than for a white who in all other ways is the same.  Like I would be thrilled to shine Col. Allen West’s shoes and I am a white European.

    • JoeZimmerman

      Henry Leunissen 
      Go   back   to    Europe    JERK

      • Henry Leunissen

        JoeZimmerman Henry Leunissen 
        Question: Why do liberals insist on giving evidence of their  inability to formulate a counterpoint in a given discussion by debasing their discussant?

        • RandyPhillips1

          Henry Leunissen JoeZimmerman Because they just know things that aren’t true and use derogatory statements and name calling to distract or change the subject. Most of the time, liberals make up statistics in order to make their arguments look like there is a crisis that has to have immediate attention. Such as Global Warming, some EPA standards, and Gun Control. When they are asked to prove their theories or they are caught in a lie, then comes the attacking of those that disagree, rather than proving themselves as being correct.

        • DRLJR

          Henry Leunissen JoeZimmerman Because when one examines the facts of most issues they do not support the liberals position or view point.  Liberals (called that today) are some of the most racist and intolerant people around.  Conservatives (used to be the real liberals of the 1700/1800/1900) look at the facts and consequences of actions.  Just look at what the Left has produced over the last 50 years – destruction of education, uncontrolled spending, lose of personal freedom, etc.
          The “Left” operates with the idea of “the State is Supreme” and should control every aspect of a person’s life.  The “Right” operates with the idea the people are supreme and minimal control over people.  The “Right” also operates on the premise that people are responsible for their own behavior while the “Left” always blames someone or something else for people’s behavior.

        • Henry Leunissen

          RandyPhillips1 Henry Leunissen JoeZimmerman 
          Little do they realize that their incoherent ramblings are self-effacing

  • refurb001yy

    Trav  was basically intruding in on a gated community (uninvited).  What was the reason for him to be in that neighborhood?  Case the neighborhood for another visit later maybe?

    • Smilee

      refurb001yy He was an over nite guest there with his father. The only person that seen him as suspicious was Zimmerman and the likes of you whom assume why he was there like casing the neighborhood of which there is no reason to believe that was the case only an assumption on your part

  • shamwil

    gibberish, you dont even dont know what gibberish is,

  • pissedoff

    Yeah I does, ibn wad dey use when dey ben trying to speak!

  • KevinHoman

    What??? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

  • pissedoff

    Why do we know all about Mr Zimmermans past problem with law enforcement, and are not allowed to see Trayvon’s criminal record. We know he has one but it seems it would bias the jury and or us to know the truth about him.

    • JoeZimmerman

      pissedoff 
      Because    ni – –  ers   have   to  be   handled  like   little   angels  and    white   people   like   trash   thanks   to   a  bunch  of   ni – – er  lovers ,,,,,

    • DRLJR

      pissedoff Because that would put the nail into the coffin of the Prosecution’s supposed case.  Regardless of the background of both individuals the facts that have been reported show that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman and was trying to smash his skull or otherwise kill him.

  • JoeZimmerman

    Trayvon   was   a   dirty    scumbag  and   deserved   to   die   for  attacking     Mr. Zimmerman,,,,,

  • shamwil

    I am gald you know me better than I know myself…whoever you are

  • shamwil

    we also get hard data, and the hard data you got does not support what we have, people have a tendency to lie on other peoplesssss.

  • shamwil

    Thar is why they are locking them up because they see them as animals in the zoo, and getting shot down…..

  • shamwil

    why are thee more black youths in the prison system if that is the case…..they are worse than anybody else

  • ObamaDualer

    Watched a video last night on You Tube where Martin is showing the police what happened. It explains why Z had a long straight cut on the back of his head.
    Z told the police his head was on the edge of the sidewalk while his body was lying on the grass. The sidewalk is slightly elevated above the grass. So the edge of the sidewalk is what caused the STRAIGHT LINE cut. There is nothing else there that would cause a cut like that.
    IOW, Z was telling the truth about what happened! 
    If you watch the video, you can see Z not holding anything back, doing his best to tell the police what happened.
    He also tells the police that when he first saw Martin while sitting in his vehicle, Martin was standing AROUND in the rain in someone’s yard – rather than on the nearby sidewalk – at a townhouse that had the windows open. Marin then looked around in different directions as if he were checking to see if the coast was clear. When he saw Z, he wasn’t too happy and moved on. 
    It would appear that Martin was casing the joint. 
    Also when you see Z’s description, you’ll discover Z wasn’t following Martin, but looking for an address to report to the police dispatch. He was then returning to his vehicle not knowing where Martin was. Martin came up from behind Z and confronted him rather than Z confronting Martin.
    Everything Z says in the video makes sense and matches up with where Martin’s body was found, etc. It’s no wonder the police didn’t charge him with a crime at the time and that no charges were made until after a civil rights lawyer for Martin got involved bringing in Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. 
    Here is the video, so you can see for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c

    • ron520

      ObamaDualer
      And you buy every word of that as the truth HUH!   I would like to ask if you watched any of the other videos while you was there.  If not you sure should have,  I do not have a cycrtal ball like you do,but I rather put more in the other videos there than the the one you put up, go take a look at this one and a fe4w more there.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iby5-pP4x8g&feature=endscreen

      • ObamaDualer

        ron520 ObamaDualer The injury lines up exactly with what Z said happened. But you had no response to that salient fact. 
        This video you’ve presented doesn’t address why Martin was standing on the grass during the rain instead of on the sidewalk walking to or from the store.
        Your video homie also is wrong about the injuries. The reason why Z screamed for help is that his head was being bashed against the sidewalk. But your homie doesn’t know that. Instead he is making assumptions that turn ou tot be incorrect.
        Now you are invited to actually watch the video I presented because if you had watched it, you would have known why homie is clueless.

        • ron520

          ObamaDualerron520 
          I did watch it with an open mind, plus a lot of other ones, which just made me think even more that Z needs some jail time, not life of course, but about 10 years and he would be out in about 4 or 5  Perhaps he would learn to mind his own business and just went on to the store.  Where you sent me I learned a lot, like he was not hired to be a gard or watchman, he just did it on his own.    How many did you watch?   
          Take a look at this one.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA4gEO-bY_Y

        • ObamaDualer

          ron520 ObamaDualer After your first pathetic video, that was more than enough to let me know you didn’t have anything to offer worthwhile. 
          A video of Marin in the 7-11 has zero probative value regarding the Zimmerman trial. Why would anyone waste their time watching that?
          It’s interesting how you dismiss the Z video where he tells the police what happened, but in doing so you didn’t refute a single thing he said. 
          That indicates to me that you’re a racist. There is nothing in the Z video that would indicate Z should be convicted of anything. 
          But you swallow whole some guy dressed in a hoodie making pronouncements that have zero basis in fact. Yup, you’re definitely a racist because facts mean nothing to you, only the color of the speaker.

      • Jeff93

        ron520 ObamaDualer Not Guilty!

    • kmilliorn

      ObamaDualer–I have to admit that Zimmerman comes across as quite credible in the video & the sequence of events he describes is more coherent than I have heard before. In particular, his description of how hWe’ll probably got the head wounds is believable. Thanks for posting this.

      • ObamaDualer

        kmilliorn Yeah, it cleared up a lot of information for me as well. Seeing what a big area the neighborhood was, was also news to me. I’d mistakenly thought is was just a couple blocks.
        It was eye opening how Z’s story fit together, from trying to ascertain the house numbers to the sidewalk “T” and the attack itself where apparently Z wasn’t following Martin, but Martin was sort of tracking Z. 
        It was also interesting how in the beginning Martin was standing in the grass rather than walking on the sidewalk next to an apartment that had its windows open. And that according to Z, Martin was looking around and moved on when he noticed Z was looking at him.
        It doesn’t take 45 minutes to go to the 7-11 and back, yet it took Martin that long to leave the house until he was killed. what was he up to?
        Also did the rash of burglaries stop after Martin died? He visited his father at the father’s girlfriend’s house from time to time in this gated community. I wonder if he was the burglar? Martin was found one time to have about a dozen pieces of jewelry in his school bag along with a screwdriver.

    • grafra102

      ObamaDualer : I watched it and I do feel GZ will go free. He did all to protect himself, but I feel the police took too long  on the phone with GZ.

    • LauraLeeScott

      ObamaDualer I watched the video. That community is very large and all the houses look alike.
      Could Martin have been running around looking at house numbers on a dark, rainy night in a community were he was a legitimate Visitor?

      • ObamaDualer

        LauraLeeScott ObamaDualer When Z first spotted Martin, Martin was standing next to a house in the grass. The house had open windows. He had said he was going to the 7-11, but even though it was raining, he was stopped in the grass looking at the house. According to Z, Martin looked all around and saw Z. It was only then that Martin moved on. That was when Z first got suspicious of Martin.
        When they finally came together, Martin punched Z in the nose while Z was looking down for his cell phone. If you’ve seen the photo, Z’s nose was a mess. It knocked Z down or Martin tackled Z whereupon Martin jumped on Z with Z’s head on the edge of the sidewalk. That’s why Z had a long straight cut on the back of his head.
        Regardless of whether Martin might have gotten lost or not, punching Martin is a felony as is bashing his head on the edge of the sidewalk. According to Z when Martin saw Z’s gun in a holster on Z’s side or back, he reached for it and told Z he was going to die that night.
        So Martin was brutally beating Z up, and then Martin threatened to kill him. Z was actually concerned before that moment whether he might be killed or made unconscious from the beating.
        But Z blocked Martin’s attempt to get the gun and was able to get it himself. He then shot Martin.
        According to Z, he thought he had missed because Martin threw his hands up like a surrender and said something like, okay, you got me. But he’d already been shot. Z tossed him off and got up. IDK how long Martin lived after the shot.

  • shamwil

    Yes there si a high dropout rate among black youth, it is the educational system that fail them,  the tests they take is not designed for them to pass, and as for children being born out of wedlock, I seem plenty of black children grow up and achieve…but it always black faults as usual, that is how it is penned up to be…..

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil Try this since everything blacks do is the white guys fault!  This and many many other instances, so explain why this can happen and nothing is ever done about it?

      http://katenews2day.com/2013/06/30/black-mob-violence-300-blacks-stormed-fort-lauderdales-lauderhill-mall-fighting-and-destroying-property-mall-shut-down-for-hours-but-no-one-was-arrested-riot-was-due-to-zimmerman-trayvon-case/

    • ObamaDualer

      shamwil It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it, shamwil? Inner city schools such as in D.C. spend more money than the wealthy surrounding counties, yet the graduation rate is in the toilet. 
      Over 70% of the black babies are born out of wedlock. The biggest indicator of poverty is guess what – that’s right, it’s single motherhood! We got baby daddies instead of fathers who have children by multiple women, yet you want to blame the schools?? Fifteen and sixteen year old girls popping out babies and ending up on welfare!
      Grow up. It’s their own damn fault. Until you stop making excuses, it isn’t going to change. Blacks willl be as a group, poor forever until they change how they behave.

      • Cherieo3

        ObamaDualer shamwil    Must be why Obama is for abortions….

        • ObamaDualer

          Cherieo3 ObamaDualer shamwil  Obama is for abortions and killing babies because he is a cold blooded snake. He is cold, just like a typical malignant narcissist.
          Blacks have a higher abortion rate than whites. It hasn’t helped their situation one bit. It’s not surprising because the psychological effects of abortion are particularly damaging.

    • Cherieo3

      shamwil Oh, so you think tests should be designed for certainly IQ’s.;  so they can pass whether or not they can read, write or add and subtract.   Then move on to have more children of the same mentality who know they too will not have to pay attention; not have to learn.  Just sit in class  and make faces and disrupt the classroom and still be passed along.  Some years ago in Wisconsin there was a system called:  Vocational school.  If a student did not, could not pass the finals; they were required to attend the Vocational School and LEARN A TRADE so they could get a job if they were not qualified to go on to college and further their education.  I don’t know if that is still the practice.  If NOT…it should be…but suppose now that would be ‘degrading’ and not politically correct.  It is better just to sit at home and collect a welfare check and do nothing!  That IS THE SYSTEM TODAY!  They don’t teach Pride, Responsibility, Achievers…just send the check!

    • LetsFindOut

      shamwil Pat Robertson got in trouble in 1984 for referring to it as a plantation mentality. But he was right. Before forced integration of the schools, the black schools were well known as having well behaved, intelligent, driven students. They did not have a higher violence rate and they had a lower dropout rate and higher scores. They could still have that if they refused all the government does with welfare and treating them based on the lowest common denominator. Someone’s ability to achieve has zero to do with the color of their skin, But it has everything to do with what they think they should be entitled to. And the black community today has bought the lie that they are entitled to special treatment. Again, regardless of skin color, anyone that buys into that will become more lazy, more violent, and more self centered. The cure is no excuses, not more programs to make up for excuses.

    • DMJ

      shamwil Yes, shamwil, it is partly the education system’s fault, but not for the reasons you claim.  Any child can pass the standardized test if he tries to learn and if the school system will teach him.  There are a lot of blacks who have started out very poor and have pulled themselves up from their bootstraps to be at least middle-class.  They didn’t sit around feeling sorry for themselves, blaming everyone else for their situation.  They took responsibility for themselves, and worked hard to make something of themselves!
      The reason the education is failing the blacks is because in predominately black neighborhoods, the schools don’t teach the kids at their own grade level, so the entire school can get more money for special education.  They don’t have as high standards for the black kids because people have accepted that black kids don’t do well. There is no excuse for this.  Black kids can do as well as anyone.

      • DRLJR

        DMJ shamwil It is also important to remember that the problem also started when racists Black decided to reject the “White man’s education.  Back in the 1980s I had a college instructor from Kenya who some one made the mistake of referring to as a Black-American.   His tirade started with the point that he earned every he had and every derogatory term you can think of was applied to Black American and what was given to them versus earning what they had.

    • enubus

      shamwil
      BS!  The biggest reason that blacks don’t achieve in high numbers is peer pressure on blacks by blacks not to act like whitey.  There are always those that can rise above that by a strong parent and intestinal fortitude. Men like Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell,  Walter Williams, Charles Payne, George Washington Carver, and so forth.  The idea that tests are not designed for minorities to pass successfully is probably true because they are not dumbed down enough for nitwits!   Until blacks realize their collective future is learning, not drugs and B and E, they will continue to flounder and be welfare recipients.  The thug Martin is a perfect example of floundering in crime, if he hadn’t been justifiably killed, he would have most likely been incarcerated for a long time.

    • grafra102

      shamwil Oh, tests not designed for them or for kids born out of wedlock. Well I will argue with you on that!! I have 4 grandsons born out of wedlock and two are black, are they running the streets and wanting to be gang bangers?? Hell no, they (3) without a father are making something of themselves, that is because they do not like the crap out here and they have the brain to learn. One is going to be a NURSE, and the other is going into PRODUCTIONS,, and the third is in Texas and got a decent job. So when the black kids do not go straight it is because they make the choice of being MACHO!!!

  • BobE

    Zimmerman is presumed innocent until proven guilty but could someone explain to me why Zimmerman should “walk” if proven guilty??

  • shamwil

    Not everybody want to sit home and collect a welfare check, there are those that want to work, and sometimes not in the position the help themselves, let face it whites were alway in a better positoon economically, have more resources than black people in this country, if you study the history of this country you would understand why…..

    • ObamaDualer

      shamwil Blacks will CONTINUE to remain poor as a group as long as they keep turning 70% of their girls into single mothers. That’s a fact, Jack! 
      You can either live your history or MAKE your own history. The choice is yours.

      • Jeff93

        ObamaDualer shamwil And stop listening to Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, other black leaders and all these Moronic Democratic Leaders like Ted Kennedy, ect lying to them about everything, just control them and get there vote! But the blacks keep voting for the Dems, thats like they’re voting for slavery! Then when a black goes Republican, they go Nuts, calling them Traitor and Uncle Tom! 30, 40 years from now, the Hispanics with become true Americans, educating themselves, learning English, and working hard just like other immigrants, like the Italians, Irish, Polish, Russian, Greek, German Americans and so many more did! And the Blacks will still be sitting right where they are today because they keep listening to the Dems & their Black Leaders!

  • shamwil

    that is yourrr fact……

  • shamwil

    yes,  you are right about that, blacks are in put into special education classes to get more federal monies, but the tests are designed so the cant pass

    • DMJ

      shamwil No, the tests are not designed so blacks can’t pass.  It’s the other way around. The schools don’t teach the kids so they can pass the test.

      • Ace Cannon

        DMJ shamwil 
        Shamwil nothing has or will change with you folks until you start accepting responsibility for your own actions and situations.  Once you understand that and accept that fact you can start to improve things for yourselves but that will never happen because ya’ll are too eager to do nothing except demand things and accept free stuff.

      • grafra102

        DMJ shamwil : The schools do teach what they should know, but they skip school and make the choice to be criminals, Just like the two that tried to rob a METRO COP in N. Las Vegas in his garage, oh yea they shot him, but he had the strength to get up and shoot the one and blew his privates off, and had the strength to go in the house and die in the arms of his wife or mother and left a 3 month old baby, and a 2yr old son. Oh, what did the mother say of the criminal he is a good boy and plays basketball at the high school, and does not have a gun, well where did he get the gun ma ma?? There were three of them and they all got caught

        • DMJ

          shamwil Not in predominately black neighborhoods they don’t.  A black woman who lived in such a neighborhood was told her kids were under average. She didn’t believe it and started homeschooling them.  After 1 year of homeschooling, she had them take a standardized test and they tested OVER average.  It turned out that every child in that school (all were black) was taught one grade lower so they couldn’t pass the test!

        • grafra102

          DMJ shamwil @DMJ, well those Blacks mothers were interested in their childrens future..

    • grafra102

      shamwil : I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE SOME ARE STUPID, BUT I know many intelligent BLACKS.

  • DMJ

    Everyone has authority to be out in his neighborhood and follow someone.  You don’t have to be a policeman to do so.

    • grafra102

      DMJ Yes, have a right to be outside in the neighborhood, but as a NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK CAPTAIN, I follow in my car. Mr. Zimmerman will get off because the PUNK WAS UP TO SOMETHING, and his neighbors testified  and I believe them and not that girl that lied about her age and could not even talk properly..If she lied about her age she lied about all she said!!!

  • Maranatha_Mark

    Kev, if you are a “conservative” no one would believe it based on what you have posted here! The amount of stuff you have posted here that isn’t true or deliberate lies, is mind-boggling.  Trayon’s facebook page spoke of how he loved to beat up folks and while I haven’t heard he was in a gang, he was definitely a wanna-be gang-banger, why do you think they scrubbed both his face book page and his girlfriend’s page when this all hit the media.  There has been a deliberate attempt to erase all incriminating information about Trayvon, and you seem to have bought it completely.   Nothing to do with his race, but he was just a thug, plain and simple.  The way Trayvon was heading… his life choices, he was on his way to seriously hurting or killing someone himself.  You may not want to admit it but Trayvon appeared to be on the fast track to prison, at the very least for assault – bragging about knocking people out with one punch (sounds like an new fade that many predominately black boys are doing, where they walk up and suck punch someone at random – no reason behind who they attack).  There are reports he was trying to get a firearm as well, which wasn’t for target practice!

    • grafra102

      Maranatha_Mark :  AMEN, AMEN!!!

    • KevinHoman

      Maranatha_Mark   DO YOU MAKE THIS STUFF UP JUST TO HIDE YOUR RACIST OPINIONS.. EVEN IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE IT DOES NOT GIVE GZ THE RIGHT TO KILL HIM.

      • Maranatha_Mark

        KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark No racism here.  He had ever right to kill Trayvon, as Trayvon, from what we know, attacked and attempted to KILL Zimmerman.  How do I know that?  Because Trayvon didn’t stop beating on Zimmerman until he was shot.  It doesn’t matter what color Trayvon was, he attacked the wrong guy, and paid with his life.  Trayvon violent past and choice of friends, has nothing to do with his race.  For you to assume I was talking about his race, demonstrates your racist tendencies and believing the whole stereo-type of black youths.  I stand by what I’ve posted here, according reports and evidence introduced in the trial, everything I’ve said is in accordance with available facts.  This reality… you choose to attack a man or a woman, reagardless of whether they have made an aggressive gesture or move in your opinion, there are consequences to your choice.  Trayvon picked the wrong man to attack.  Trayvon didn’t have a right to be there, and it isn’t even clear that his dad’s girlfriend gave him permission to be there, and NO ONE had the right, outside of the individual home owners to be up around their houses or going through their yards, as I’ve stated before.  Kevin, I really don’t know where you have gotten your ideas on “right” and “wrong” or reality, but you are in for a  rude awakening.  I’ve stated nothing remotely racist in anything I’ve posted here, but I know when libs like yourself start loosing the discussion, you like to try to end the debate by calling folks, “racist’!  I don’t care what color anyone is, but I do care about their behavior.  If Zimmerman had been following Trayvon, and pulled his pistol out and shot Trayvon in the back or even if he had walked up and shot Trayvon in the chest before Trayvon attacked him, I’d say fry George!  Trayvon is the one who made this into a life or death encounter, and he paid with his life, based on what we have seen in the reports and the testimony in court.  It is the same conclusion the initial police came to, which is why Zimmerman was released.  The only reason this has been brought back up and even gone to trial, is because the Neo-Black Panthers, you know the real racist threaten to hunt George and his whole family down and kill them.  If I were a racist, I wouldn’t have a dog in this fight, cause George is Hispanic, regardless of his skin tone, he is still a Hispanic, and anyone knows a racist only favors their own race.  That is why 98% of black automatically side with Trayvon, regardless of who or what he was doing, and regardless of the facts that suggest that Trayvon was violent thug, and instigate the life and death struggle.  Sorry Kev, your going to have to do better than calling me a ‘racist’, cause you have as much chance proving, based on what I’ve posted, as proving Trayvon was really a space alien looking for his spaceship!

        • KevinHoman

          Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman You are completely wrong the attacker was GZ he followed TM and we do not know who threw the first punch. There is no evidence of TM being violent and there are no facts that he was not allowed in the neighborhood or that he was lurking around, those are statements made by a man up on murder 2 charges that has an incentive to lie. GZ was the aggressor the second he left his vehicle he became the thug as you would say TM was defending himself not GZ, just because you get beat up in a fist fight does not give you the right to kill someone, he could have shot him in the shoulder or the leg if he needed him to stop hitting him.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark  I’m afraid there is evidence of Tm’s violent behavior in school and getting kicked out for his fights. There was also texts he made on his cell phone about knocking people out. He had a video showing he and his friends talking a bicycle from another black and beating on him. 
          He also was to have participated in a fight club. I read this in the last night or two, but I don’t know for sure about that.
          Most of the evidence of TM’s violent behavior has been not allowed in court, nor was his criminal activities of theft and drugs.

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark Kevin, as I have said repeatedly, eye-witness have testified that Trayvon DID throw the first punch and jumped on top of Zimmerman.  It has been reported since the 2nd week of this coming to the media back at end of last year, about Trayvon’s violent tendencies and drug use.  AS I HAVE SAID, everything I have said, is what has been reported or entered into evidence via testimony at the trial.  I don’t know why you are so hard-up to convict Zimmerman and claim Trayvon’s innocent, but it would be comical if this wasn’t so serious a subject.  Your obvious twisting of the reported facts is truly breath-taking.  You claim no one knows who threw the 1st punch yet you insist that George was the attacker.  Following someone isn’t an attack, and following someone in a neighborhood in which you are on the neighborhood watch is really what you are supposed to do.  Trayvon’s activities on that night are a whole lot more fuzzy when it comes to why he was doing what he was doing.  Why was Trayvon up around those folks houses, on their porches, and/or going through their backyard.  He DID NOT have the right to do that and was trespassing.  Anyone with a brain and who gives 2 cents of concern about his neighbors, would have followed him and called the police.  There is NO PROOF of any kind that George initiated direct contact with Trayvon, but there is testimony the reverse is true.  Sorry man, but the facts as have been reported simply DON’T SUPPORT ANY THING YOU HAVE SAID OR YOUR OBJECTS TO WHAT I HAVE POSTED.

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark Let’s look at if from your diluted point of view: Let’s for the sake of argument suppose George did throw the first punch, WHICH IS NOT SUPPORT BY ANY EVIDENCE OR REPORTS, Trayvon doesn’t have the right to jump on Zimmerman and try to bash his head open on the concrete.  Had Zimmerman swung first and missed (we know Trayvon had no injuries other than his knuckles from hitting George and the gun shot wound, so he wasn’t touched by any imaginary punches George may have attempted to throw), Trayvon  instead of just punching Zimmerman in the nose and breaking it, chose to jump on top of Zimmerman and try to beat him to death.  If Zimmerman had been intent on killing Trayvon from the start, he would have approached Trayvon with pistol drawn and shot him.  If I have a firearm on me, I wouldn’t try to fist-fight someone, I was suspicious of.  Zimmerman has no history of being a bully or being a person quick to attack folks.  Again, even IF George had thrown the 1st punch, Trayvon made it a life and death situation instead of just punching Zimmerman and calling the law.  Again, Trayvon who had a cellphone, at no point called the police.  Ever wonder why?  Why did he call his stoner girlfriend?  NOTHING supports the suggestion that Zimmerman threw the first punch!  And on top of that we have an eye-witness who has given an official statement that he saw Trayvon throw the 1st punch and jump on top of Zimmerman.

        • KevinHoman

          Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman Keep smoking whatever you are smoking because it is good stuff. They just played GZ talking with the PO and you believe that story you are clueless. If he his being beaten like he claims on the taped recording with the PO and he was repeatedly punching him and smashing his head on concrete he had the strength to get his gun and shoot him then you are truly clueless. His story makes absolutely no sense.

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark Kevin, when a man is in a fight for his life and the adrenalin is flowing, you’d be surprise at damage you can take without realizing how badly hurt you are.  I have seen this time and time again.  You, my naïve friend are the one who is smoking something/ clueless.  Anyone who has been in a fight, or in a life or death situation understands what I am talking about.  That said adrenalin affect people in different ways, some it gives them abnormal strength, some it paralyzes them, some it clouds the thought processes and memory to the point of blackouts, these are all medically document results of a person being flooded with adrenalin.  In all honesty I don’t expect George’ story to be 100% accurate, but since he is the only eye-witness to everything that went on that night, his is the only testimony we have of the WHOLE event.  We have other witnesses who support parts of his testimony, which tends to give credibility to it all.  But the fact is Zimmerman received head trauma via Trayvon, which may or may not have affected his memory of events as well as the adrenalin.  As I and many others here have said, you convicted Zimmerman and won’t hear the truth of the matter, or apply logic of any known kind to reports and evidence we have thus far.  It truly is amazing to see you struggle to “Create” facts to support your conviction of Mr. Zimmerman.  Do you have a bias against Hispanics?  Or are you just a self-loathing white guy?  Just trying to understand why you resist the facts as have been reported thus far.

        • KevinHoman

          Maranatha_Mark KevinHoman Ok i want what you smoke because i train fighters for a living and i was one myself, if he has the injuries you and GZ claim he would not be able to fight back all of a sudden. Have you ever watched a boxing match or MMA match the guy getting  a beat down does not all of a sudden have an adrenalin rush. He had a couple of scratches and a bloody nose so his opinion of what happened does not add up.You will believe what you want and i will believe what i want. I believe that he had no right to take someone else’s life.

        • Maranatha_Mark

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark LOL!  Kevin, I have to laugh.  Yeah, and I build NASA rockets.  You have posted so much junk on this thread, no one is going to believe anything you say.  PERIOD!  Unless of they are similarly delusional.  Mr. Fighter trainer, you should know that a “Fight” like boxing or MMA isn’t the same as a Life and Death fight, just as shooting targets isn’t the same as hunting and killing something.  I don’t believe anyone in the fight sports would try to equate a sporting event bout to a life & death fight, but someone who sits at home and has no ideal would.  Same folks who think Pro Wrestle is real.   Sorry Kev, you’ll have to do better than that!  He had the right to take Trayvon’s life, in defense of his own life, plain and simple.  You are right you’ll believe what you want for now, but when and if you find your life on the line and it is either kill or be killed, then come back, if you can and tell us all about it!  I stand by what I have said, until I see proof otherwise.

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark Kevin. Z had a STRAIGHT LINE cut on the back of his head which could have only come from having his head bashed against the edge of the sidewalk.
          You have someone bash your head against the edge of a sidewalk AFTER you’ve had your nose smashed by a sucker punch, and tell me the perp doesn’t earn the right to be shot.

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark It’s important to go where the facts lead rather than supposing what might have happened.
          The fact is that Z had an unusual STRAIGHT LINE cut on the back of his head. So now we need to look at what would have caused the cut to be in a straight line.
          Z says it was the edge of the sidewalk. Now you would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t the sidewalk. 
          The fact is that there is nothing else that would have caused the unusual wound. There was no knife involved.
          This forensic evidence confirms that Z was telling the truth about the attack. So if Martin was bashing Z’s head against the sidewalk, it is reasonable to assume that Z was in fear for his life.
          From that single piece of evidence, the jury needs to acquit Z. He was within his rights to shoot Martin.
          Case closed.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark Let’s get on the same page. You are talking about “trained fighters”, not Average Joe. GZ was sucker punched and was fearing for his life, he was not in an established ring. You are talking about people conditioned for fighting and trained for it. This is a situation that adrenaline does play a difference. Trained fighters can take a lot more abuse to hits or they wash out. Fighters with glass jaws don’t last long, do they?

      • Jeff93

        KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark He didn’t Intentionally kill him, Martin saw the gun in Zimmerman’s belt & reached for it. Zimmerman grabbed the gun first, they tusseled a little and the gun went off! Martin’s last words were “You got me”! So he killed him, but that’s not what the trial is about, its about whether Zimmerman Murdered Martin! Murder is a planned killing, Murder 1, Murder 2 & Manslaughter. The cops. weeks later wanted to do Manslaughter because they knew they could not win with Murder 2!

        • KevinHoman

          Jeff93 KevinHoman Maranatha_Mark  There has been no evidence of a struggle for the gun. Weather it’s murder 2 or man 1 it is still jail time for GZ.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman Jeff93 Maranatha_Mark  How do you show a struggle for a gun? I could believe that if had shot through his hand or had cuts from trying to grab the slide, but other than that, how do you see it?

        • JoeZimmerman

          RandyPhillips1 KevinHoman Jeff93 Maranatha_Mark 
          THE   PUNK   NI – – ER  DESERVED   TO    DIE   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Jeff93

          KevinHoman Jeff93 Maranatha_Mark No way! Not Guilty!  And there is a witness on the phone telling 911 or whatever emergency # he called, a play by play of the whole thing! Defense Rests!  Bye!

  • shamwil

    yes, who is hiring them at lower rates

  • Lorraine E

    In order to avoid nation wide violence I strongly recommend that the verdict in this case not be allowed out of the court room.  I suggest that the verdict remain a secret and above all else that it be kept from the corporate media.  A great deal of the violence already happening because of this case can be linked to the brain washing by the alleged news media. I don’t know if keeping the verdict a secret has ever happened before but I believe that in this case it is imperative.   If the verdict is not kept secret, I’m afraid many innocent people are going to be hurt very badly and probably murdered.

    • DRLJR

      Lorraine E When Mr Zimmerman is acquitted the acquittal should be broadcast everywhere and people told that if you commit a crime you may get killed.  If people decided to riot then call in the National Guard and put the riot down as appropriate.   And if that means shooting rioters so be it.

      • grafra102

        DRLJR Lorraine E @DRLJR:I say AMEN!!!

  • grafra102

    Yes RandyPhillips1 Zimmerman will  WALK AND WILL BE FREE!!

    • RandyPhillips1

      grafra102 I’m still not sure. This may up being another Rodney King. The prosecution has nothing to offer at this time, but it doesn’t stop the Justice Department from charging Zimmerman on some drummed up charge of racial prejudice and put him in double jeopardy, which is also a violation of Zimmerman’s civil rights. Zimmerman make walk free before he is imprisoned. This will depend upon riots. I am sure this situation will be stoked by the press to get blacks to riot. Zimmerman may be charged again like before to settle the minds of blacks.

      • grafra102

        RandyPhillips1 grafra102 : You have to look who else is involved, the ACLU, every time something happens to one of their blacks they always have their nose deep in the FECES..(politely putting it):)

        • JoeZimmerman

          grafra102 RandyPhillips1 
          YEP    thats    for   sure   they  love   to   dig  in   sh-t  ,,,,,,

  • jeffmiller47

    Well, Kevin, if they are people just like us, why are 80% of the prison population black, and why are most of the gun deaths in this country black-on-black killings?

    • texaselect

      Blacks have in inbred Tribal Mentality. they are 80% jungle and 20% civilized.  You can take one out of the jungle but you will never take the jubgle out of him. I learned this FACT LIBS in Viet-Nam

  • Jeff93

    The mother didn’t take disciplinary action because both the mother & father were “Terrible Parents”!   Period!

    • grafra102

      Jeff93 : Well, that is what I tried to say in some of my comments.

  • shamwil

    You got it, a young boy like that….IFFFFF there was a fight, and he got his ass whipped, he just got his ass whipped, didnt have to shoot him, his life was not in danger

    • texaselect

      BS idiot. That punk gang banger would  heve left him for dead and took his wallet.

    • ObamaDualer

      shamwil Martin played the Knock Out Game when he sucker punched Z in the nose. But the killah got killed.
      Maybe Z sucker shot him.
      So all in all you have to admit, Z punked his ass. Just when Martin thought he was all that – pounding Z’s head into the edge of the sidewalk trying to KO him – Martin got the ass whupping of his life. 
      “Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.”

  • Jeff93

    True,  54% of all Unemployment are Black Adult Males who just don’t want to work! 54%!

  • texaselect

    George had a punk black buck on his chest. I would have shot the sob LONG before that. That pos gang banger would have made it three feet from me…period.l

  • Jeff93

    whatever!

  • Jeff93

    Savages!

  • Jeff93

    Do you hear yourself and your Racist comments!

  • shamwil

    wow what a racist remark, blacks people before they came to country were taken from empires, civilizations which they dont teach in these schools, they contribute largely to society and never got credit for it, what did you see in vietnam, dark skin asians, i guess they are all the same to you, to demoralize, demonize ,low rate and dog out other peopless, we didnt grow up with that kind of mentality

    • sashamanda

      shamwil Which Africa countries have you been to?

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil WOW! What a dumbass you are. I repeated an article I read from Ben Kinslow (spelling may not be exactly right), a black historian and commentator on the 700 Club. He did the research and wrote the article. There were a few hundred free blacks as well as slaves before the Civil War in Virginia. There are document in a museum in my town that verifies that. Those that came over as indentured servants, which included whites, were freed after they spent seven years in servitude paying back their sponsors for their being brought to the new world. The indentured servants had no money for the passage to the new world. They made an agreement with England for the servitude to pay back their benefactors. At the end of seven years, England then gave each of these people 60 acres of land to develop and live on. 
      It wasn’t until Mr. Johnson’s law suit, that slavery started in the US. All other people, regardless of race, started out the same way. England established the indentured servant program, to help populate the new world. All people brought over here in the program were given the same amount of land. England wanted more goods and needed more people in the country to get a return for the money they spent in exploration of the new land. No one wanted to come to the new land without an incentive. The majority of people that came here, had no money. They were more or less the serfs (more or less canon fodder to the government) in the cast system, at that time.  They were given the opportunity to inhabit the area with a lot of savages and possibly get killed, for an opportunity to live in the new world.They were expendable to the government, but might help in becoming productive people here and help bring back more goods for England. It looked like a win-win situation for England. It helped in getting rid of over crowding in cities and got more wealth for England. 
      You sir are the racist. You seem to be a close minded bigot that wants to twist things and make everything the fault of whites. I must be giving you a history lesson, that you don’t want to accept. A lot of these things were taught in history when I was growing up. You, on the other hand, must be a product of the education system of the last twenty years that have learned nothing about history, if you went graduated from school. I have written nothing that is not the truth. Whether or not you can accept it, is your problem. Maybe you need to spend some time in museums or reading history books.
      Because of your comments, this is why I can’t accept that you are a conservative. The Martin shooting was a ruse for BO to use the race card in his reelection bid. This was also a distraction from some of  his problems in his campaign. This is a common tactic of Dems. This was also a way for the Dems to lay the ground work for their attack on the Second Amendment and concealed carry laws. You fail to grasp the ideas of this, so this gives you away as a liberal. I am also guessing that you are black. You need to spend a little time getting educated and growing up. You are undoubtedly a liberal troll trying to pass yourself off as a conservative.

    • gohomeobama

      shamwil 
      Actually Randy is right, that is a correct accounting of slave history in the US.  It was common in those days to have endentured slaves.  We use the term slaves, actually they were individuals who used themselves as collateral, and they worked of a loan.  Slavery as in the typical “roots” version came because of the Johnson verdict.  In other words, one black man who felt he had the right and the greed to own another black man.
      Kind of blows critical race theory right out of the water.  It is a shame what hatred and resentment and ignorance our public school system has fostored, and probably on purpose.

      • RandyPhillips1

        gohomeobama shamwil Thank you very much! I can’t seem to get this through his thick skull. He has already once called me a racist.

    • jeffmiller47

      shamwil  What empire were you “taken” from?  Do you know one single black person who was taken from anywhere and brough here against his will?  That hasn’t happened in 150 years.  You did grow up with that kind of mentality … an attitude of entitlement due to what happened centuries ago.  It didn’t happen to you, and nobody alive today was a party to slavery.

    • DMJ

      shamwil The last time blacks were brought to America to be slaves was 1808.  Slave importation was outlawed then.  From 1808 to 1865, all slaves were born here.  That was over 200 years ago.  Slavery was terrible and wrong, but it is over, and has been over for over 150 years.  There is no one alive today that has been a slave nor a slave owner. 
      Yes, slavery happened in America.  It was bad. It does not happen anymore, nor has it for over a century.  My people were slaves in Egypt and you don’t hear them whining about it.  Get over it and get on with your life.   This dwelling on the past that has been rectified is poisoning your mind and keeping you from doing better things.  I know you have it in you to do great things; we all do. So get out there and do something great and wonderful! :-)

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil See NOW THAT’S racist… “what did you see in vietnam, dark skin asians, i guess they are all the same to you, to demoralize, demonize ,low rate and dog out other peopless, we didnt grow up with that kind of mentality”
      You don’t know for sure Randy thinks that… that is coming from YOU.  You need to take a step back and see who the REAL racists are!  YOU!  And people just like YOU!

  • RandyPhillips1

    I got the information from history. Europeans made anyone they felt they had conquered in combat, their slaves. When they quit having as many wars, they dealt with countries that would sell their own people for money.They worked out deals with black war lords and slave traders to obtain black slaves. They got the slaves to, yes, make money from them. It is still done to some extent today by some Muslim countries.  
    The black slave trade in the US, started in Virginia by a free black man with the last name of Johnson. He was not only the first, but the largest slave owner in Virginia. He started out as an indentured servant brought over by a benefactor. After serving seven yrs, he was freed from his benefactor and given, I think 60 acres of land. Johnson got the bright idea to bring his sons over and he was their benefactor. When they served their time, they combined their lands. The benefactor started getting greedy and had the law changed for them to be able to keep the lands granted. The system quickly broke down, because the servants were leaving from their obligations early. They could escape and start a new life. They left, because all of the incentive for them to serve their time was taken away.
    Mr. Johnson had a dispute with another land owner that had one of his people working for the other land owner. The servant claimed he had served his time and Johnson felt otherwise. When it was challenged in court, Johnson won by claiming the man was his property and it was stolen from him. The man had to go back to Johnson as his property, thus starting the slave trade.

    • LadyBGood

      RandyPhillips1 Look how many slaves these free “negroes” had:  blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).
      http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

      • RandyPhillips1

        LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 Glad to see there was someone else that studies history. I thought I was by myself in this side of the conversation. I was accused of being a racist for commenting on how all peoples have been mistreated over the years and not just Indians. Thank you and a couple others for helping me in pointing this out. I think there is a prejudice that has been brainwashed into those that watch the lamestream  media. They don’t want to hear the other side, nor do they want to think for themselves that we are using facts and common sense to derive to our conclusions.

        • LadyBGood

          RandyPhillips1 LadyBGood Randy, people that call you racist because you do not agree with them…are just projecting their own personal thoughts, ideas, self hates and negative thinking on to someone else. What you gotta say when they do that is:  mirror mirror on the wall.

        • DRLJR

          RandyPhillips1 LadyBGood Not wanting to hear the truth or facing reality is typically of the “Left” – i.e. Socialist, Progressives, etc.

        • RandyPhillips1

          DRLJR RandyPhillips1 LadyBGood LadyBGood came to my rescue with facts to back me up. I told her I appreciated her comments and information. I don’t think it was her you need to be addressing. She seems to be very knowable about the subject we were talking about.

  • shamwil

    youre incorrect, yes there were some black men who were slave holders in the us, someeee, but the first slave traders were the portuguese, for me to give you a brief history on this will take too long,

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil I didn’t say slave traders in the US. I said, slave owners. There were several free blacks in the US that had slaves.

      • Upaces

        RandyPhillips1 shamwil   As a matter of fact, the Africans that came here WERE THE FIRST WHO OWNED SLAVES.

        • RandyPhillips1

          Upaces RandyPhillips1 shamwil   The exact comments I had made in some of my earlier writings. That is the point at which I was called a racist.

        • Upaces

          RandyPhillips1 Upaces shamwil   I am tired of that!  They need to go to the library Or Google.  It is a common fact if anyone cares to just look it up.

      • Upaces

        RandyPhillips1 shamwil I wonder how many people know that NO ONE went to Africa (except Muslims) to kidnap or steal Africans.
        They had tribal wars; and the losers were sold into slavery as well as those who committed crimes in their villages.
        Lincoln wanted to ship them all back. They didn’t want to go back.  There was a group of Jewish Businessmen who bought 5 ships to take them back to Africa.  Know how many went back on the ships?  ONE ship was 1/2 full. They chose to remain here.

        • RandyPhillips1

          Upaces RandyPhillips1 shamwil Very few. People should also read the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War. It has many little tid bits a lot of historians have glossed over.

        • Upaces

          RandyPhillips1 Upaces shamwil   Ooooo, that sounds so good.
          I have something to share with you.  My daughter met a young black poet from NY about 15 yrs ago in Dallas.  He wrote a small poetry book, “On the Road to Damascus”.  In it he explains that Blacks actually “hate themselves for being black; and project that hate out on White People.”
          Makes sense doesn’t it!

        • RalphGaines

          Upaces RandyPhillips1 shamwil Are you kidding me?  That is simply insane to think that someone could actually believe that. Blacks are a proud race.  They have no reason to hate themselves.  How do you think they have overcome so much hate?  Thrust me, All of the blacks I know hates only the nonsense they here from people like yourself.  And let me make one thing perfectly clear.  Whites are no better than anyone else in this world.  Look in the mirror before you think otherwise.

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil The Portuguese were the first European slavers… the muslims had been capturing black Africans for slaves 500 years before.   Now what I find ironic is… many blacks have/are converting to islam so they must have forgiven the muslims.  But they cannot and will not “forgive” the whites.  
      In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. censusreportfor that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
      The country’s leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
      http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

      • RandyPhillips1

        LadyBGood shamwil You seem to know a little bit more about the subject than I. GOOD! Thought at one time I was on a sinking ship.

        • LadyBGood

          RandyPhillips1 LadyBGood shamwil No way Randy…I’m right there with ya!

  • shamwil

    many

    • sashamanda

      shamwil which

      • Jeff93

        sashamanda shamwil He’s lying!  Also, there were Black Slave Traders in Africa also!

        • enubus

          Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil 
          The blacks who slave traded were on the West Coast of Africa and they were the village chiefs that sold their own people into bondage to Arab slave Traders, who sold them to the Spanish, French, Portuguese, English and Dutch to be delivered to the new world.

        • Evermyrtle

          Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil  If you do not believe this one, look it up! The centerof slave trade was in Philadelphia, a northern state. By the way there were slave in the North as well as child labor in the factories there.

        • ObamaDualer

          Evermyrtle Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil What is the Big deal about slavery 300 years ago? At that time there was slavery EVERYWHERE. The big news is the enlightened countries like the UK and the US banned slavery. Banning slavery was a new policy for the world.
          Prior to then it was standard. So stop bitching about your ancestors being slaves as if it were something special. It wasn’t. Celebrate that you are FREE.

        • jeffmiller47

          ObamaDualer Evermyrtle sashamanda shamwil 
          Actually, Mexico banned slavery before we did.  That’s why Mexico sent troops to the Alamo when Texas was still part of Mexico.  Texans had slaves, which was against the Mexican Constitution.

        • The real Smart Guy

          ObamaDualer  Yeah free to be pulled over for DWB (Driving While Black) Free to have double digit unemployment while holding to the same educational levels as whites in your socioeconomic circle, free to have the highest incarceration rate per capita against whites convicted of similar crimes and with similar criminal backgrounds. Free to be be the victim of violent crime at a higher rate than white in similar economic and living conditions, yeah damn that freedom is something to behold for those ignorant of the truths that blacks face every day

        • Evermyrtle

          ObamaDualer Evermyrtle Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil Sorry to disappoint you. I have not, like you any black or slave ancestor. I am a mixture of several races but none of them black but if I were I would be proud of that, and am proudest of all of my American Indian heritage. I too, am sick of the topic of slavery and the North section of the country blames all of the slavery on the South which is the reason for my blog on slavery. I am from the deep South and considered white. Sorry again to disappointing you and thank you for your very nice blog. I will not try to match mine with it.
          There is one thing I am not, most definitely, a anti-GOD Islam lover. My GOD is the ALMIGHTY GOD AND HIS SON. The SON, JESUS CHRIST, died n the cross for my sins, and for yours also. He was raised by HIS FATHER after 3 days from the grave and soon wen to heaven. He sits on the right side of HIS FATHER and reigns over the universe, which HE created..

          By the way follow your own advice and” stopyerbitching.”
          Thank You and if you BELIEVE, GOD Bless you

        • ObamaDualer

          jeffmiller47 ObamaDualer Evermyrtle sashamanda shamwil 
          That’s wonderful. Glad to hear Mexico was enlightened about slavery, too. 
          It doesn’t change the point I was making at all.

        • ObamaDualer

          The real Smart Guy ObamaDualer Like I’ve said before, balcks are getting sent to jail for crimes they committed because 70% of them are being born to single mothers. 
          Just like young elephants will become rogue without a bull elephant to guide the younger elephants, the same thing happens when there is no father figure in the home.
          EVERYONE has ancestors who were enslaved. That was the human condition worldwide! But it’s the blacks who can’t seem to get over it. Why? Because of single motherhood being so rampant. Until you fix that, you and your black brothers and sisters won’t know how to act and you’ll continue to be poor.

        • Ace Cannon

          ObamaDualer The real Smart Guy 
          They don’t want to fix that as long as we tax payers are paying them to have more babies.  They’re making a living off that.

        • RandyPhillips1

          The real Smart Guy ObamaDualer I have been pulled over, because a cop wanted to follow everyone in town, and I’m white. He gave me a rough time over nothing, until he found I had a passenger listening to the whole conversation. 
          You need to think about where you live and who controls the local government there. Where black unemployment is the highest is in cities controlled by Democrats. It doesn’t matter what color they are, but they are Democrats. They want you dependent on them for their power. They keep making laws and promises they can’t keep. They are dependent on unions to help them keep their power and the unions are most of the reasons the cities are going under.
          Democrats are the ones that take your freedoms away and put blacks in over crowded neighborhoods. They are the ones that kill jobs and make companies leave with their regulations and higher taxes. So when you want to complain about freedom, think about who has put you there. It is a party that wants to control the whole population. They already have you in their pockets. They put abortion clinics in mostly black neighborhoods to control the black population. They give black welfare to keep blacks voting for them. Dems are the ones that defend drug usage. That gives blacks a source of income and keeps them nonproductive. Think about your surroundings and who you vote for. Dems make all kinds of promises, but were blacks better off before BO took office? I know most of the country was. Democrats are trying to nationalize businesses and destroy little businesses. The little businesses are what keeps this country alive.

        • RandyPhillips1

          ObamaDualer The real Smart Guy True. Blacks around the turn of the 20th century comparatively speaking were wealthier up until the Depression, than they are today. They had families, their own businesses, they worked, and were successful. Now blacks depend a lot on the government for handouts and taking care of single mothers. There has to be a government program for everything for blacks. They have gotten blacks brainwashed into thinking they can’t make it, unless the government is there to help them.

        • Henry Leunissen

          RandyPhillips1 ObamaDualer The real Smart Guy Usually government help has the opposite of the intended result.  And government does not learn  from its mistakes.  So it can only get worse.

        • RandyPhillips1

          Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil I kept telling you I wasn’t talking about slave traders, but slave owners in the US and how the slave trade started here,

        • Jeff93

          jeffmiller47 ObamaDualer Evermyrtle sashamanda shamwil Who Cares!  Move to Mexico if you don’t like it here!

        • RandyPhillips1

          Jeff93 jeffmiller47 ObamaDualer Evermyrtle sashamanda shamwil Exactly. I wish I hadn’t responded to the person that started this crap about mistreating Indians. This conversation got way out of hand. Everybody has dead relatives that have ben mistreated, but you go on and learn from the mistakes of history.

        • Jeff93

          Evermyrtle Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil  There was slavery in the 1600’s & 1700’s, thanks to the Dutch & British! Slavery wasn’t completely gone by the Civil War but it was on its way out! I live in the North east, so I’ve seen all these Historical Places saying that! Also, Philadelphia? maybe in the begining but Haiti was the Center for Slavery! 
          I remember your e-mail, mmm, you hate America & American History! Hey move to Cuba if you don’t like it here!  $%#&head!

        • pissedoff

          Evermyrtle ObamaDualer Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil First if the Africans who sold the black man to the white man would own up, the black man might have a different opinion of the white race. Second. This country owes nothing to the black or white race, but everything that we stole or tricked the very noble native American”s out of.. If anyone in this country was enslaved it was the Indian. I happen to be white and have these beliefs. There is a lot of history to prove this.

        • DRLJR

          pissedoff Evermyrtle ObamaDualer Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil Beware the Progressive re-write of American history.  Progressives have worked hard to make Europeans and early American settlers out to be corrupt thieves.

        • Jeff93

          pissedoff Evermyrtle ObamaDualer Jeff93 sashamanda shamwil mmm, that’s funny, I heard you say (earlier) you were NativeAmerican, = Liar!

    • Henry Leunissen

      shamwil Next time you go do the world a favor and stay.

  • shamwil

    i couldnt care what you think, we know about serfs,slaves, a free black who had slaves, they were more like servants, possibly treated better, not like the chattel slavery which was in this country which was heinous and violent . me being a racist, that is not true,  just because I dont agree with you, we know theses facts just telling the facts, wether you like it or not, look at the things others peoples say on this website, remember we are researchers of history.many things you possibly dont know anything about….

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil Well, you undoubtedly haven’t shown it from the other attacks you have made to others on this site. I have read other comment similar to mine about you. I have no idea as to how the slaves were treated by Johnson. I heard about this man twenty years ago from two lawyers from Blacksburg. They said then that he was the largest slave owner in Virginia. They had done research of records for several years and kept running across his name. I think the fact that he claimed he owned a man and sued over it, plus the fact he was instrumental in changing the law of taking away the promised land given to indentured servants, says to me that he was greedy. Greedy people aren’t always the nicest people to deal with.
      I was responding to a woman that was telling of how the Indians were  treated so badly. I merely responded to her about how all people have been treated as slaves, at some point in history. You then called me a racist. You have been twisting things throughout. What you write says more about you than what you claim. I’m frankly getting tired of responding to your stupidity. I know I don’t know everything and I will be the first to admit it. In the years I have gone to school, the longer I went, the dumber I felt. There are so many things that a person can learn, but there are so many more than you will never know and forget as many things as you may know now. I have a few degrees and have learned a lot in my years, but I have learned a lot more in work experience. Frankly, I find the arguments you have made on the TM situation inaccurate. It seems you don’t even consider things as to the injuries of GZ as consistent with the story GZ had. The police seemed to agree with GZ’s story and placed no charges at first, because there was no merit in charging him anything.
      Even though I may have had a couple facts wrong, the evidence in the trial is beginning to show his story is true. I have always believed that GZ was being railroaded. Somehow you can’t see the light. You may have a difference in opinion, which I will usually respect, but I haven’t felt that you have shown anyone any respect to them. I just think we need to leave this as is. I know you aren’t a conservative and that’s it. I will gladly admit if I am wrong about this trial, because I feel deeply that GZ defended himself against an attack that was not necessary. It doesn’t matter what color the attacker was. This was an out of control teen that was destined to either be a career criminal or be dead. The testimony of his friend, the girl, shows the mentality of those he chose to hang around with. She was supposed to have been in jail herself at the time of his funeral. With black on white crime approximately 30 to 1, I find it hard for you not to believe that this case may be the one of those. If there was anything to show that GZ was not defending himself, I would not be on here defending him.
      For the past ten to twenty years, there has been a pattern by law enforcement to try and sweep a lot of black crime under the rug. This has been done by pressure brought on by the black racist of Jesse, Al Sharpton, and other race baiters to make things look as though there is some discrimination in the justice system. It can be seen in newspapers, where the ethnicity of a person is known for a crime, unless it’s a black. Flash mobs are constantly written off as some little incident, when you may find out there would be a hundred blacks involved. The newspapers try to say it is not racially motivated, but find it is a group of blacks attacking whites. The efforts of the race baiters is only giving a green light for blacks thinking they can get away with attacking whites, because there is usually not anything done to them.

      • AZDon

        RandyPhillips1
        Randy I think you got it right!

        • RandyPhillips1

          AZDon RandyPhillips1 Thanks.

      • AZDon

        RandyPhillips1
        Randy I think you got it right!

    • Henry Leunissen

      shamwil You make it quite obvious that YOU are the ignorant racist.

      • shamwil

        Henry Leunissen shamwil  a racist, here we go again, putting the blame on someone else

    • pissedoff

      shamwil  Shamwil from what you writ., I am surprised that you can understand any kind of research you say you do. There are all kinds of under-educated people  (but you can’t fix stupid).

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil  did you know the torture and castration the muslims did to black male African slaves?  And turned the women into prostitutes.   But that doesn’t count…because it didn’t happen here.  Well guess what, not one person on this thread owned or had been a slave.  You and people like you are living in the very distant past…and if it’s so bad for blacks in this country …how did obama become president?  How did Holder become Attorney General?  Danielle Gray, deputy director of the White House National Economic Council. Rob Nabors, director of Legislative Affairs. B. Todd Jones, head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.  What about The Congressional Black Caucus?  No whites are allowed there.  We have Black History Month.  I never heard of White History Month.  You have BET…we don’t have WET TV!  I’ve been all over this country and I’ve see more blacks in Federal, state and city civil services than I’ve seen any other ethnicity.  
      So what exactly is your beef?  That someone 150 years ago was treated shitty?  If that’s all you can bitch about, then you got a pretty good life.

      • kmilliorn

        LadyBGood–You just aren’t “playing fair” by your refusing to accept the sack cloth of “inherited guilt” that so many (including many blacks, Native Americans, & Hispanics use to try to extract reparations from modern-day folks–none of whom has ever owned slaves or fought to take land from Native Americans or Mexico, You obviously have a terribly underdeveloped sense of social guilt that you really MUST get to work on ASAP!

  • shamwil

    I am well aware of that ….even  certain tribes of native american had slaves

  • shamwil

    So you say!!!!

  • shamwil

    I coming back, didnt want to use up a lot of space, from the time africans were first enslaved by the portuguese in the 15th century to 1865, black people labor was use to create the wealth in this country, This country was built on the backs of black men,  even some tribes of native americans had slaves….  I am not concern about serfdom which was in europe and came here, since free blacks had slaves why is the wealth of black people is at a lower percentage in this country…as far as calling me a dumbass, you dont know what I know, why dont they teach the history of africa in the schools????

    • pissedoff

      shamwil  The history of Africa is the same today as it was two thousand years ago. People still live in grass huts and cut off limbs of children and force sterilization on young women so the men don’t have to worry about them messing around. You as most of your countrymen are still under educated or have not made good use of the education you received!!!.

      • kmilliorn

        pissedoff–If oly it WERE “sterilization”! What you are talking about, I suspect, is the extremely inhumane & barbaric practice of female “circumcision”, which is horribly painful, disfiguring, disabling, & sometimes fatal, as well. It is not uncommon for young girls to bleed to death or die of infection after this “social surgery”–which is done without anesthetic.

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil This country was built on the backs of a lot of people. We don’t teach African history as American history, because it isn’t part of America. You can study African history in a geography or world history class. Had it not been for Europeans coming to settle in Africa develop the country’s natural resources, it would largely would be as it was a thousand years ago. Several countries in Africa still have wars and slaughter one another. Because they are much like the Middle Eastern countries and fail to try to advance in technology, they still live in poverty. This is because these countries fail to embrace freedom and chose to keep kings and dictators. These type governments always stifle progress, because they want to have complete control over their population.

  • shamwil

    You know what……, I dont know what happen out there with zimmerman and I am not making any assumptions, like You proclaim I did, if you read my notes, I will begin with If that happen….., but they say there are 3 sides to every story, his side, the other side and the truth, so I dont know and not making up anything

  • shamwil

    Thos statistics black on white 30-1, even most black people wouldnt believe that, if it was out of proportions like that, It will be on airways daily, yes these are blacks who rob, and possibly kill whites, they do it to black people too,  this is something systematic so that whites can arm thmselves and claim self defense, to shoot down black men, which is novelty here in this country

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil No one on the left wants you to know that. This doesn’t fit their agenda. They don’t want to create a panic and have retaliations against blacks. The Media for the most part is control by the left. Government programs giving blacks special rights could be in  jeopardy and done away with, such as racial preferences.
      The liberals and gun control crowd are just as protective about not letting the public know that gun violence and violent crime has gone down for the past twenty plus years, mainly because of concealed carry permits. A recent study by the government found that homes that have firearms, have fewer injuries to the residents that those without them. That’s because firearms are used in self defense as much as or more than crimes committed with firearms. How can BO justify gun confiscation when FBI statistics show there is a link to lower crime and gun ownership?
      The same goes with the Global Warming group. It has been found that the group of scientists that told us about global warming were have found to have lied about their findings. NASA even has found that by their studies that the world is actually in a cooling cycle for the past four or five years. The fraud was found out three years ago, but BO is trying to get the EPA to pass new regulations to force up the price of energy costs and shut down coal-fired electric plants to prevent global warming.
      The problem is that Dems want to have complete control of the population. They think they can make a better Communist government and know where Russia and Cuba went wrong.

  • pissedoff

    If we as taxpayers would or could stop the welfare checks that are paid to black women for having children out of wedlock, their grasp of being an adult would improve. The poverty stricken Black and Whites learn one thing and one thing only. (How to work the governmental hand-outs) we pay for with work and taxes.

    • Evermyrtle

      pissedoff I heard out of a decent, justice loving black woman, complains about the many young black women that she knew who had a baby every two years to get a bigger check from the government. Now, this was 30 years years ago and what do we know that has improved since then??? Conditions, in most things, has grown steadily worse, not better.

    • Henry Leunissen

      pissedoff LBJ once said: “I’ll have dem n…… voting Democratic for 30 years”.

  • pissedoff

    Question for the panel? Why is it every time a Black is killed the ACLU or some other legal beagle brings suit against the person or the police or as in this case. Every time one of these incidents happen whom do we hear from Jesse Jackson, and always as on cue Al Sharpton. These men have made themselves rich by selling themselves to the black community and blaming the white community for all the faults of the black’s.

    • RandyPhillips1

      pissedoff The ACLU is a group of  left-leaning Communist lawyers that have the intent of destroying the Constitution and the foundations and principals this country was based on. Your own statement on the second half answered itself. Jesse and Al are lazy worthless pieces of crap that feed upon anything they can to keep the fires of racism stoked. That is how they make their money. They would actually have to go to work or starve, if they actually had to go to work. They may even have to start being preachers and establish a church somewhere.

      • LadyBGood

        RandyPhillips1 pissedoff  I can’t find a particular church that either of them “have.”  But then I didn’t look too hard… Sharpton has his own radio talk show:  Sharpton’s supporters praise “his ability and willingness to defy the power structure that is seen as the cause of their suffering” and consider him “a man who is willing to tell it like it is”.  
        Al Sharpton is an American Baptist minister, civil rights activist, and radio talk show host; he has a net worth of $5 million.   Poverty and race baiting pays!

  • shamwil

    that is your opinion, have you ever been there before, some countries in africa looks like new york, yes come peoples in rural areas live in houses with grass roofs………

  • shamwil

    if this country was built on the backs on many peoples, what they needed slaves for , oh I see their is a logical effort to distort history,   alot of the technology they have today, they had then,   just improved,   as the bible says what was before is now and what is now was before…….nothing is new…….they had advanced civilization thousands of years ago

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil   One thing that is largely overlooked in the history of America is the fact that there were white European slaves. They were in no small numbers either: Close to [1]”two-thirds of the original American colonist came here, not of their own free will, but kidnapped, shanghaied, impressed, duped, beguiled, and yes, in chains…We tend to gloss over it… We’d prefer to forget the whole sorry chapter…” (Elaine Kendall, 1985)
      Yes it is true, there was white slavery–even here in America. This was not only in the country’s infancy, but lasted until the end of the Civil War when all slaves were freed.
      Who were these white slaves? Most were peasants from the British Isles. The nobility of England thought it would be a great way to clean up the streets, to send all the poverty stricken and homeless out of the country. These families were told to choose one of their children to give up or one would be chosen for them.
      It is the way of our European blood to push on with grit and determination—to overcome adversity. Thus, you’ve have heard no crying for reparations — no blubbering about oppression. We have forged on–but let us not forget,–for he who forgets history is doomed to repeat it…
      There is more…anyone like to see it?

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil I believe you are watching too much BET. You are the one trying to distort history. Let me get this right……..you are saying that 10% or less of the population of this country (not sure exactly the amount of blacks there were at that time) built this country, while the 90% sat on their butts and watched them. Get real! History books talk about the work blacks did. This country moved on, because they wanted a better life for themselves and their children. You are the one stuck in the mentality that we need to change history to satisfy blacks. As long as blacks listen to Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and others blacks hold up as leaders, you will still lag behind others. These men and other race baiters play on the minds of blacks, in order to fill their pockets, not help blacks. They are con men.
      Look at how many whites have died to give blacks freedom. The Civil War was not originally fought over slavery. It wasn’t until 1863, that Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation. The Civil War was fought over state’s rights. At that time, Washington was taking a lot of money in taxes from the South to spend in the North, yet they were giving the South little representation. This was because the South had a smaller population.
      Think about this; why do you vote for a Democrat? It was Democrats that started the KKK. It was the Democrats that made poll taxes to prevent blacks from voting after the Civil War. It was Democrats that made gun control laws after the war, in order to keep blacks under control. They used the KKK to enforce those policies and kept blacks from being able to defend themselves. It was Democrats that fought civil rights legislation. It was Republicans that fought to pass the legislation. Fredrick Douglas was a black Republican. Think about the Louisiana blacks that have lately changed parties from Democrat to Republican and why.

      • LadyBGood

        RandyPhillips1 shamwil Randy you said something that caught me on a personal level…” look at how many whites have died to give blacks freedom”  In 1965 my cousin, was a White Freedom Rider … something happened and none of the family ever found out…all we knew was she was pushed off the bus and broke her leg.  A few weeks later someone tripped her on the stairs to her apartment…and the leg re broke.  She was rushed to the hospital where she died of a blood clot to the heart.  She was a month past 20 years old. There were a lot of White Civil Rights activists that lost their lives for “the cause.” I wonder if there was ever a monument erected for them? I’ll go look, I won’t be surprised if there isn’t any.

  • AZDon

    Ok, you had your say now explain, if you would, why I should care if they burn their own homes and kill each other and loot like they did in mid 60’s. All that does is cause them more problems instead of trying to solve their problems .
    You jump to conclusions saying I don’t like blacks. You don’t even know me and I support their cause when it is logical and reasonable. Rioting and threatening to murder Zimmerman is neither logical or reasonable. What I don’t support or like is ignorant people who would riot, burn and loot, if they don’t get their way like a spoiled kid. The problem that causes the riot is just an excuse in nearly all cases.
    I guess what your saying is if GZ is found guilty it would be logical and reasonable for Mexicans or perhaps whites (since he was considered white to start with) to riot, is that right? If one is correct so is the other! Perhaps someday you will become intelligent enough to be able to see both sides and begin to reason.

  • pissedoff

    Question?  Why is it when you hear  black men raised in say England,France,Spain or other countries not including America. Speak the language of the host country?.

    • Henry Leunissen

      pissedoff Could it be that they are getting educated and WANT to be educated?

    • DRLJR

      pissedoff Based upon my experience with real Africans of negroid ancestry all of them consider most Black-Americans to be scum.  Even Haitians will correct you if you reference them as being Black-Americans.

  • Henry Leunissen

    shamwil, the white people of this country are giving the blacks ample opportunity to free themselves from the problems of the past.  Those who take advantage of that opportunity will succeed beyond their wildest dreams; examples are everywhere.   But don’t blame “Whitey” if “Blackey” is not interested.

  • shamwil

    well we have to look at the europeans for our salvation except going for  ourselves

    • LadyBGood

      shamwil We do not have to look at the Europeans for our salvation…we look to ourselves.  
      By the way, I was wondering about the opportunities for blacks in American and I found this:  And these are just a few.
      http://www.diversity.va.gov/org/aa.aspx
      Black colleges:  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0771723.html
      Now who is being racially discriminated against?  There are no “all” White colleges. There are no White or Caucasian organizations.  Can you explain that to me?

  • jeffmiller47

    You have nowhere to look for your savation but inward.  You create your own salvation.  I had a young black salesman who I hired and really liked.  He came to me once and said, “I think half of the people don’t buy from me because I’m black.”  I replied, “Then talk two twice as many people.  Reality is what it is.  Deal with it.”

  • Rickygs

    Ok after 3 days of searching ,watching old interviews and court tv. I have to say Zimmerman should walk away a free man. I was surprised to learn that Trayvon Martin was not a 10 year old kid going for candy like the media made out, That kid stands 6 ft tall. When this done i still think Zimmerman is a marked man. Riots are a possibly, but his life is never going to be the same again.

    • RandyPhillips1

      Rickygs It has been the Media keeping the truth under wraps, because it was a political ruse to get BO reelected and have an argument for doing away with concealed carry permits and the Second Amendment. Welcome to the enlightened crowd.

      • Rickygs

        RandyPhillips1 Rickygs yep i know that but they have not the concealment YET

        • RandyPhillips1

          Rickygs RandyPhillips1 Not yet. I think Dems thought this would be a cake walk to pass gun control and to confiscate weapons from the public. It always backfires on Dems every time they have mentioned bans or confiscation. CWPs go up, firearm sales go up, and people signing up with the NRA and other gun groups go up. BO also thought law enforcement would go along with this, but he has found resistance all over the country. BO is not giving up, he still wants to go to the UN and sign the Small Arms Treaty. He thinks this will be his shinning glory. It may cause people to call for his impeachment.

        • DRLJR

          RandyPhillips1 Rickygs And even if the “Small Arms” (really personal disarmament) were ratified the ratification would be null and void under the US Constitution.  it runs afoul of Article 6 Paragraph 2 and Amendment 2 since it conflicts with the US Constitution.  This is why it is important for people to known what the US Constitution states and the words actually mean.

        • RandyPhillips1

          DRLJR RandyPhillips1 Rickygs That isn’t going to stop BO from trying to cram gun confiscation down our throats. He wants to be king and the Dems aren’t going to try and stop him. If they don’t impeach him, there could be a war before its all over

        • kmilliorn

          RandyPhillips1–As long as Dems hold a majority in the Senate, any attempt at impeachment is fruitless. The Senate, acting as jury in any impeachment proceeding, would never vote him guilty. Obama knows this, so he spends money like a drunken sailor while military personnel suffer services cuts & pay cuts, forest service firefighters lose their jobs, White House tours are canceled, etc. (But he did manage to take the WOLE family–including his mother-in-law & niece–to Africa. Now that’s being cost-conscious & setting a good example–right?

        • PaulSmith

          DRLJR RandyPhillips1 Rickygs 
          That is relevant IFF somebody defends the Constitution.  So far, not a single one of our representatives or judges or governors has demanded that Obama prove his (in)eligibility.  They spit on the Constitution every single day and nobody says jack about it.

        • PaulSmith

          kmilliorn 
          If charges aren’t brought, then the public is uninformed.  Win, lose or draw, charges should be leveled and arguments presented.

        • ObamaDualer

          kmilliorn It’s isn’t necessarily fruitless. Let the Democrat Senators go on the record not voting for impeachment. That might not go over too well with the voters in some states.

        • LadyBGood

          RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs  I think the administration is going to USE Zimmerman as an example of WHY they need gun control.  White people going out and shooting “innocent” black teenagers for NO reason!  Obama knew what he was doing when he came out to say: 
          Obama weighed in Friday on the shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, calling it a national tragedy — and saying that the young man reminded him of his own children.
          “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids,” Obama said in the Rose Garden. “I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this. And that everybody pull together.”  AND .. “My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “All of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves.”
          “Obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” Obama said. “All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this has happened.”

          Where is the outrage and soul searching for the white baby murdered by that black thug?  http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-03-21/story/baby-fatally-shot-stroller-brunswick-street-mother-wounded

        • ObamaDualer

          LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs Maybe if Obama would stop arming Mexican drug lords to kill our border guards and hundreds of Mexican citizens, we could take him more seriously.

        • kmilliorn

          Obamadualer–Good point!

        • kmilliorn

          ObamaDualer–Actually–Several good points. I had read only about your reply to my remark on impeachment–hadn’t gotten to your reply to LadyBGood yet.

        • DRLJR

          RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs Remember, under the US Constitution he is not President.  He fails the first requirement – be a natural born citizen or a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

        • Evermyrtle

          LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs That slime ball is likely why Zimmerman is in court today. The anti-CHRIST bunch will stop at nothing to get what they want. It would be so wonderful if all of GOD’S people get a section of maybe several Southern States and live separate from the anti- CHRIST peoples in this country. And, we could own it and could keep the “workers of iniquity away and out of our space.

        • LadyBGood

          Evermyrtle LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs  Your wish might be realized…. I just read that by next year, the white majority in California will be gone.  We have illegals taking over California, we have muslims taking over Michigan. I think White, & Black Conservatives will be forced out everywhere.  I haven’t met every Conservative, but the ones I have met…are NOT atheists or muslim.

        • LadyBGood

          kmilliorn Me either… or maybe I did.  I did see something from O’Dualer

        • LadyBGood

          ObamaDualer LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs  You know the saying BS trickles down….well billions of drug dollars are trickling UP!  And this administration is NOT above anything! 
          Notice the name of the city…. and who comes from there?   
          This is from last year:  Because of Chicago’s location in the heart of the United States, its large Mexican population and its abundance of street gang activity, drug cartels have designated the city as one of its main hubs of operation in America, Riley told TheBlaze in an exclusive interview. Inevitably, the increasing presence of cartels has also contributed to the Windy City’s skyrocketing violent crime rates, the DEA boss revealed.
          Right now, at least three major Mexican cartels are fighting for control of billions of dollars worth of marijuana, cocaine and heroin in Chicago. That includes the ruthless Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, run by Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, arguably the most wanted man in North America, and perhaps the entire world.
          http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/27/dea-boss-mexican-drug-cartels-are-so-deeply-embedded-in-chicago-we-have-to-operate-like-were-on-the-border/

        • RandyPhillips1

          DRLJR RandyPhillips1 Rickygs  That’s true, but Dems are protecting him from divulging the truth. Unless Joe Arpiao’s Cold Case Posse can find people in Congress to do an investigation or arrest BO on fraud charges, we may have to wait until next year to try and get a super majority of backboned Republicans to impeach him.

        • huntingfreedominAmerica

          LadyBGood RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs  Evermyrtle , The day you have discribed will come and on that day when the christians are pull out of here then true hell will be seen on earth. The only reason there is any peace is because there are still Gods people still praying.

        • grafra102

          RandyPhillips1 DRLJR Rickygs : RandyPhillips1 I felt obuma should have gone long time ago, but jackasses do not agree!!

  • RalphGaines

    Just got back from a great weekend trip with my wife, who just happen to be white.  We have been married for 30+ years, which means I really have to laugh at some of these comments on here regarding people of color.  We have travel all over the world and it seems Americans are the ones that really need a lesson in race relation.   Being a leader in the Army who has worked with all color, the bottom line is when your life is on the line, the color of a person skin does not matter.  Only a closed minded person can think otherwise.  Most of you should get out of the US for a while and see just how small your mind set really is.  You are too busy focusing on things that really does not matter.  Additionally, many of you are simply not in a position to talk badly about others.  Whatever you think negative about others, you are probably much more worst, but just too blind to realize it.

    • PaulBrown1

      RalphGaines I have found that the biggest racists in this country are the b;acks themselves. In the Police Dept. they aren’t happy with the union, they had to go an start their own, called, ” On Hundred Blacks in Law Enforcement” then they come up with the Black Miss America contest. Last year they proved again how racist they are by voting for this muslim puke pig in Wash. because he was black. I had a customer who is black and he told me he had to vote for ovomit, his family was voting for him because he was black, they didn’t give a damn if he could do the job or not. That is racist big time!!!

  • shamwil

    taking up for him. you see the remarks he made, you calling me a racist and so are you!!!!!!! and you are probably more so

    • RandyPhillips1

      shamwil Don’t start that crap again. You came out with the racist comment and I have only responded to the stupid remarks that you came out with since.

    • pissedoff

      shamwil  I have the same conclusion as before . “YOU SIR ARE STUPID”!!!!!!!

  • shamwil

    You got your brains twisted, I didnt say anything like that, so back off

  • provemewrong

    I don’t want to thrust you,  but I agree with the gist of your argument. I have been seeing a lot of frustration in the voices of the comments I have been reading on this thread, and I think things are coming to  a boil. What really frustrates me the most is that the news media has hyped this case so far out of proportion that it really deserved to be! It is a case of being able to prove the prosecution’s  theory or disprove the defenses story! The news media made up their own truth at the beginning of the case as to what happened. They reported that they had tapes showing that George Zimmerman was interjecting race into his 911 call in the first place! Those tapes turned out to be lies, fabricated by one or more of the networks themselves! They were edited to advance the story line that this was a racist lynching! They had to admit it and people STILL stood by the story they had concocted! Now, the evidence being shown in court is consistent with the story of G.Z. There might have been malice… Only one person alive knows. Forensics didn’t bring anything  to dispute his story. Cases like this happen!Sometimes,  you have to assume innocence if you haven’t proven guilt! A friend of mine had his father’s death ruled a suicide when he allegedly put what he thought was an unloaded gun to his head and pulled the trigger! He was with one other person, alone in the desert, at a popular shooting spot.. Without proof that there was foul play, or proof that he was lying, the survivor lived and prospered. My friend thinks he got away with murder! How can a jury convict a man with no evidence?

    • DRLJR

      provemewrong When it is a persecution and kangaroo Court.

      • provemewrong

        DRLJR provemewrong The persecution started when the atty . gen,. had to go shopping for a prosecutor. I don’t believe there is a kangaroo court, but I smell politics in the indictment that led to this trial.

        • RandyPhillips1

          provemewrong DRLJR No doubt. This indictment was to curb the blacks until some time after the election. This was a ruse by BO for support to his reelection and to make way for gun confiscation and doing away with concealed carry laws.

        • DRLJR

          provemewrongDRLJR It was not Florida’s attorney general (Pam Bondi) that started this.  It was a grand-standing local prosecutor known for over-charging people who filed the charges.  This was covered in local reporting.  She did not even submit the evidence to a grand jury since it was an obvious self-defense case based upon all of the available evidence and no grand jury would have brought an indictment.  
          Also, I was answering this question you posed “How can a jury convict a man with no evidence?” :-)

    • RandyPhillips1

      provemewrong Exactly what I have been trying to say for the whole weekend. There are some that try to keep coming up with things that are totally not true. Things like GZ started the fight. We don’t know unless there is a witness to verify it. Supposedly there is a witness that saw the first blow thrown. So far, there has been only GZ’s testimony. Really, does it matter if the person trying to beat you is not showing any indication of stopping? There comes a point in which a person has to ask himself if the other person is trying to kill him. The gun was not produced until Zimmerman claimed TM saw the pistol and went for it. There were also claims that GZ called for help about 14 times, with no one to come and help him. What do you do? He was being clobbered, TM kept the beating going, and it seemed GZ thought he might be killed. I would have shot long before, if I  had the chance. There is no excuse for someone to deal out those kind of beatings and not think there shouldn’t be retaliation from the other party.
      Self defense experts say that you have the right to defend yourself when a person threatens you and invades your space. There is a fine line between using defensive force and deadly force in a fight. If there are more than one person, a person can fear for his life and use deadly force. If a person plans to use a deadly weapon, you can use deadly force. TM tried to use the sidewalk as a deadly weapon, GZ was justified at that point to have drawn his weapon. GZ may have been so excited that he forgot he had the gun. People get tunnel vision after the heart rate goes over so many beats per minute and get confused. We don’t know what frame of mind GZ was in at that time. We can only go by his story. If there was no evidence conflicting with his story, then he should go free.

      • huntingfreedominAmerica

        RandyPhillips1 provemewrong  Randy I think you are 110 % right on the money with this case. I do think the whole thing was a race beatting by Obama to cause more problems with blacks and whites. Much like the fight Obama started with the professor and the police in Boston that was shown to be lies and a race beatting on the police officer we still remember the garden beer party at the White House. I have spoke with some Mexican carpenters at McDonalds and they said the president is causing Zimmerman the real problem. They believed he is being robbed by Obama of his freedom. I asked how they felt about Obama and they said he was a lier. I then asked if they would vote for Obama and they all laughted and said Oh NO he’s a communist,  then I laught. If the Mexican can see the truth, were is the American people that should be standing up for this young man. Until the American people start standing up for truth and I talking about all American black, white, red, yellow, and mixed which includes all of us. Be Americans first !!!

  • Henry Leunissen

    Yes, it looks like the only way we can prevent cities from going up in flames is to sacrifice people who the MSM, without knowing the facts, have decided to be guilty of some crime.

  • Upaces

    You are exceptional; and there are many people like  you who are exceptional.  However, there are many who are NOT like that.  
    IF they are so proud? What are they proud of?  What advances have they made in the sciences?  Google:  Violence in each major city and see the statistics on all of those proud good blacks?
    Right now? The subject matter is not the whites. When it is?  I can point out many whites that are totally disgusting, evil horrible people.

  • lasershot1

    DNA to see if dad is realy the thugs dad.   Suddenly their love and concern for their “beloved child” is forefront.  Gee, could a civil suit have anything to do with that?   Could it be mom and dad were never married?

  • MichaelSSmith

    All I can say is the wrong person wound up dead! Zimmerman had no reason to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin even if what he said was true.

    • DRLJR

      MichaelSSmith Mr Martin attacks Mr Zimmerman and tries to kill him and the wrong person died?  You should take the time to review the real facts of the case instead of the made up stuff created by the anti-Zimmerman people to make Trayvon Martin into a innocent child and victim.  Mr Martin was not an innocent or a child or a victim.  The evidence shows he was a thug and criminal.

      • Evermyrtle

        DRLJR MichaelSSmith You will never get anti-GOD, anti-America person to see the truth of the horror. They have their minds made up, most of them do not  they are wrong or  right.

        • PaulSmith

          Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith 

          What the hell does an imaginary sky god have to do with this?

          A:  NONE

        • MichaelSSmith

          Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith OH PLEASE  THIS HAS NOTHNG TO DO WITH BEIGN PRO GOD OR PRO AMERICA AND BY THE WAY I BET I AM MORE PRO AMERICA THAN YOU , YOU FASICST     AGAIN THERE WAS NO REASON FOR GZ TO SHOOT TM BOTH WERE EQUALY  MATCHED SO GZ COULD HAVE DEFENDED HIMSELF WITHOUT THE USE OF A GUN AT THE MOST HE JUST SHOULD HAVE SHOWN HIS GUN AND TM WOULD HAVE STOPPED THEN GM  SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE TO SETTLE THE PROBLEM

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith??? Do you have a concealed weapon license? You must be kidding. The law says that if you do carry concealed you cannot brandish the weapon in any way.Also showing him the gun while it was so dark out would have probably gotten GZ killed on the spot. Have some Common Sense!

        • refurb001yy

          MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR Yeah, Z looked like he kissed the sidewalk quite a few times before he took out T with a single shot.  Not revenge, survival and defense.  Z did NOT shoot multiple times; would you if your face looked like Z’s after being smashed into the sidewalk multiple times?  Glad your not on the police force.  Bye and bye; what race are you?  I probably know!

        • DRLJR

          MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR You really should take the time to look at the actual facts of the case.  Mr Zimmerman WAS TALKING TO POLICE.  In trying to get them his exact location he left his vehicle and when was returning to it he was attacked by Trayvon Martin who was trying to kill him.  George Zimmerman was not the aggressor, he is the victim.

        • RandyPhillips1

          MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR Yeah, TM was four or five inches taller and out weighed GZ. GZ didn’t try to start any trouble and there was no bell rung when to start the fight. TM sucker punched GZ, threw him to the ground, and tried to use his GZ’s head to put a crack in the sidewalk.
          I have said it before and I say it again: there is a fine line between using defensive force and deadly force. If TM had made some kind of ground rules that he was merely going to kick GZ”s butt and let him go, there would have been no reason for GZ to have used a firearm. There was no agreement to that. There was no reason for TM to try and use the sidewalk as a deadly weapon either. TM didn’t have to be armed to have used an instrument as a deadly weapon. People are also killed without the use of a weapon and using merely their hands and fists. The threat of someone trying to kill another is reason to use a firearm for defensive purposes.
          GZ was sucker punched and didn’t have his weapon visibly showing at the start of the fight. GZ didn’t have a full sized weapon in a holster for TM to see. It was a KelTec 9, which is pretty much a pocket pistol. GZ may have had the weapon holstered, but it is not a large weapon. GZ did not use the firearm immediately. The fight went on for several minutes. At the point TM used the sidewalk as a deadly weapon, GZ was justified by law to use deadly force against his attacker. According to GZ, TM saw the pistol and said, “Now you gonna die MFer!”. That is when they had the wrestling match for the weapon and the shot was fired. By GZ’s statement, it doesn’t sound that TM hadn’t thought that he might not use the weapon himself. You just don’t get to have an incident like this go both ways for the younger person: I can do anything I want to try and kill you, but you can’t shoot me.

        • The real Smart Guy

          Evermyrtle Explain the lack of DNA EverMyrtle the turtle with her head in her bigoted shell.Trayvon Martin’s DNA was not found on the grip of George Zimmerman’s gun, and Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under the unarmed teen’s fingernail. Now how in the world does that happen if Georgies telling the truth honey?

        • The real Smart Guy

          MichaelSSmithTrayvon Martin’s DNA was not found on the grip of George Zimmerman’s gun, and Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under the unarmed teen’s fingernail
          Explain that genius. It came out in today’s testimony, care to eat some humble pies yet and admit you’re wrong? Of course not you’re a bigoted conservative with their ind made up

        • The real Smart Guy

          MichaelSSmith Sorry I was replying to another commenter and accidentally blocked out their instead of yours

        • The real Smart Guy

          refurb001yyTrayvon Martin’s DNA was not found on the grip of George Zimmerman’s gun, and Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under the unarmed teen’s fingernail according to today’s testimony. Want to retract that garbage before you loo even more foolish

        • DRLJR

          The real Smart Guy Evermyrtle You are watching to much CSI.  And they covered this in the trial.  They did not find GZ fingerprints either.

        • DRLJR

          The real Smart Guy refurb001yy And besides which TM would have been hitting GZ with closed fists so of course their would nothing of GZ’s under TM’s fingernails.  Yet TM knuckles clearly showed the evidence of punching someone.  You are trying to reach for non-existent straws to support your views which are supported by the available facts or information.

        • Evermyrtle

          DRLJR MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle You will never be able to convince those who are not looking for the truth, they will do anything , tell any lie, to see that their causes wins. Their cause is not America and her people.

        • DRLJR

          Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith True – but as I once pointed out on another thread anything I post is for everyone who reads the posts as well.

        • Evermyrtle

          PaulSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith My GOD is not in hell, He is in Heaven. The god in hell is your god, Satan

        • Evermyrtle

          MichaelSSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR This is one bitter, angry, hate filled individual, fighting against the truth.. He needs to get a life!! Try GOD, that will work every time that you are sincere.

        • DRLJR

          The real Smart Guyrefurb001yyYou are trying to reach for non-existent straws to support your views which are NOT supported by the available facts or information.
          Forgot a word.

        • Evermyrtle

          The real Smart Guy Evermyrtle I wasn’t there, I did not see the gun or the men involved. You must ask those who were there for information . All reports of evidence found,that I have seen shows that if Zimmerman had not had a gun he would be dead, today. I am not on the jury and I am not a police officer and  I am not in Florida. Go find your own news/information!! You are asking the wrong person.

        • PaulSmith

          Evermyrtle PaulSmith DRLJR MichaelSSmith 
          No, sorry, not my god, Satan is just another figment of your overly fertile imagination.  How does it feel to be so gullible?

        • Evermyrtle

          PaulSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR MichaelSSmith 
          I do apologize that post was not meant for you. I am so sorry!!! But thank you for your kind answe.

        • Retired USAF MSGT

          The real Smart Guy MichaelSSmith Can you say RAIN and wet grass? That will degrade DNA so fast that it is not funny. It will wash away the blood and skin cells within a few hours. From what I have read bout it the clothes were wet as well. Trayvon’s wet clothes were put into PLASTIC bags and molded degrading the DNA within a few days. Even the blood stains on the inner sweatshirt was degraded so bad that when it was tested the mold had integrated into the DNA.
          Not sure what happened with Zimmerman’s clothes other than they were soaked and put into paper bags. It might just be that the water and rain degraded the DNA as well.

        • PaulSmith

          Evermyrtle PaulSmith DRLJR MichaelSSmith 
          Beautiful baby, Myrtle.  Trust me, your family is FAR more important than imaginary gods.

        • RandyPhillips1

          DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy You wouldn’t find his DNA on a gun either, unless GZ hit TM with the gun or he scraped himself, slobbered on the weapon, or if TM wasn’t wearing a shirt at the time the weapon was fired and there would be blood splatter and possible flesh on the weapon. You might find his fingerprints, but not DNA. Smart Guy, you’re not really that smart. The only way GZ’s DNA would be under TM’s fingernails is if TM made some sort of clawing strike at GZ. As DRLJR said, you don’t get the other person’s DNA under your fingernails with closed fists. There might be the possibility of DNA transfer on TM’s knuckles

        • http://davidsfloors.com Begneli

          Smart Guy , no one said Trayvon gripped the grip. Also you said there was no fight , but there were more than one witness to the fight. Slow down and be a better  listener. Burden of proof is on the state and they said at the beginning they didn’t have enough evidence. Case was brought by political correctness not by the evidence. The governor was a wimp, bypassed the police, D.A. grand jury, etc. and called in a P.C., biased special prosecutor. Defendent has no burden of proof.

        • KevinHoman

          RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy Did you watch geta last night she had Dr. Baden the worlds top forensic pathologist on and he said that GZ is lying because for his story to have been true they would have found blood on TM hands. GZ claimed that TM covered his mouth and nose with his hands, he was bleeding so where is GZ blood on TM hands. Also if you watch the video of GZ telling them what happened he said that he spread TM arms apart when he shot him how then were his arms under him when the Police and witnesses arrived.

        • Henry Leunissen

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy 
          In the final analysis it is always a good thing when a dangerous criminal gets shot, no matter what the circumstances.  Z. did us a favor.

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy Someone should tell Dr. Baden that it was raining. 
          Blood degrades in the rain.

        • so you say

          PaulSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR
          Your family is also more important than this insignificant death. Yeah, I said it. If this weren’t a bi-racial shooting, no-one would have EVER heard about it.

        • DRLJR

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy You seem to be ignoring the fact it was raining.

        • KevinHoman

          ObamaDualer KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy  That is your answer to the top forensic expert in the world because he disagrees with you. I think that he knows more than you about forensics.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy That’s his opinion and he was probably paid to bolster the case against GZ. Remember that it was raining and that when TM fell, he could have smeared the blood in the grass, if he had any, and the rest washed away before the police started their investigation. there was little trauma to TM hands in the first place, so there is the possibility there was little blood on them too. Most of the blood on GZ’s face came from his nose, not the outside of his face. From a picture I saw on Facebook, TM was on his back with his arms spread out. I don’t know which is true. The question you is do you know that Tm may not have turned over himself before he died? I don’t, but I saw a picture that I think was taken shortly after the cops got there and he was on his back. They usually don’t move the body from the original position to show how the scene actually looked, unless this was done before the EMTs took the body.

        • RandyPhillips1

          so you say PaulSmith Evermyrtle DRLJR Well, if it were black on another person shooting, it would not be reported.

        • RandyPhillips1

          KevinHoman ObamaDualer RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy I don’t know the person you are referring to. I would say the man does know more that I do, but that is not to say that this man may be encouraged to say something positive for the prosecution. Do you know his political ties; is he a Democrat, Republican, or Independent? He may have a political axe to grind and has been persuaded to make this statement. I don’t know. Remember, this a political trial, not just a criminal one. Supposedly, the police were told to change their stories from their original ones. There is all kinds of things going on here, behind the scenes

        • ObamaDualer

          KevinHoman ObamaDualer RandyPhillips1 DRLJR The real Smart Guy refurb001yy If he knows more than me, then he knows blood degrades in the rain.
          Baden has made some other outlandish claims in at leas tone other case. Sorry, I don’t recall the case now, but remember that h was totally off. 
          It’s also quite possible that the police didn’t check Martin’s hands for blood. The medical examiner might not have noticed any because most or all was washed off in the rain, or he was careless.
          It;s also possible that Martin wiped what little blood there was off onto either his clothes or Z’s. The wet clothes when put into a bag could degrade the blood. 
          There are so many possibilities.
          We do know Z got sucker punched just by looking at the photo of Z’s face. Maybe Z got it wrong – maybe Martin wasn’t actually trying to cover Z’s nose and mouth. Maybe Martin was simply pushing on Z’s head, but Z thought it was to quiet him.
          Like I said, there are so many possibilities.