Supreme Court Tells Arizona To Ask Obama’s Permission

The States of Texas can require “proof of citizenship” to apply for or renew your drivers license, but Arizona cannot ask for “proof of citizenship” to register to vote. Yes, I know it sounds as confusing at it is maddening. What else would you expect from this mixed up bunch of lawyers running the country. Furthermore, the US Supreme Court, yesterday ruled in favor of the challengers to the Arizona’ Proposition 200 voter I.D. law and found that the state had overstepped its authority by requiring “proof of citizenship” to register to vote in US elections.

The 1993 “National Voter Registration “Motor Voter” Act” established an honor system for federal voter registration tied to driver license applications and renewals. Federal law provides all applicants for Driver Licenses or renewals—in all states—must be offered a “mail -in” voter registration card. Proper I.D. is required, by law, to do business with all state driver licenses issuing authorities as a pre-requisite for receiving your voter registration card, but federal law does not require “proof of citizenship” to register to vote.

The US Constitution provides the federal government broad authority over states regarding election law.

Federal law allows anyone to register to vote by swearing to be a US citizen—simply checking a box on the federal registration form—under penalty of perjury. Yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling upheld that authority.

Unfortunately, perjury is a rarely prosecuted crime at the federal level.

Some states require “proof of citizenship” for D.L. applications and re-newels. Some states do not. In addition, some states (Utah for one) will take a Matricula card issued by the Mexican government as proper ID as they allow non-citizens to drive “conditionally” in their state.

Arizona taxpayers were burned by Arizona lawmakers who failed to perform their due diligence. Federal taxpayers picked up a lot of the cost since the Justice Department had a hand in assisting “The League of Woman voters of Arizona, the “Mexican American Legal Defense Fund” and Arizona Indian Tribes—all tax exempt organizations—in their challenge to Arizona’s “proof of citizenship” voter registration requirement.

Two weeks ago, a sixty something Vietnam veteran was required to show “proof of citizenship” to renew his 30 year old Texas driver license (which has required fingerprint ID for over a decade). He got it all straightened out by bringing his Social Security card, his passport and his DD-14.  He also filled out his voter registration card and checked the box on the federal form swearing he was a US citizen eligible to vote. I rather wish I were there to see and hear that.

Arizona could have saved us all a great deal of money and valued Supreme Court Justice hearing and deliberation time if they had simply copied the laws on the books from any number of states that require “proof of citizenship” to be granted the privilege to drive and by law being offered a federal voter registration mail-in card like they do in Texas.

Texas requires “proof of citizenship” as identification in state driver’s license applications and re-newels. According to the Vietnam Veteran, I mentioned earlier Texas “proof of citizenship” requires a valid Social Security Card and a valid Passport.

Justice Scalia, who authored the majority opinion, with Justices Thomas and Alito dissenting, ruled that the states could not add additional voter registration requirements over current federal laws without permission of the federal government or courts. I cannot say for sure what the Arizona State Constitution or statutes allows for drivers license I.D. laws, but Justice Scalia provided its state’s Attorneys with the proper procedure to petition the Federal Election Assistance Commission for a change in Arizona’s voter registration identification standards. According to Scalia, if the commission denies Arizona’s request, the state can take the federal government back to a lower Federal Court to ask for relief.

Here is the rub.

Since 2011—the year the last two commissioners resigned—the Federal Election Assistance Commission (FEAC) has not been able to seat more commissioners. The President is responsible for FEAC commissioner nominations, which the Senate must confirm. Just like Federal Immigration Judgeships that remain vacant and awaiting Obama nominations.

Since there was a Democratic controlled House, Senate and President from 2008 through 2010 my gut tells me that Obama and his allies, then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, may have purposely avoided their obligation to staff this election law assistance program provided by the federal government. Now why would they do that?

Perhaps someone should be asking John Boehner and Mitch McConnell this question. After all what is more important election integrity or immigration reform?

I applaud Arizona’s efforts to control voter fraud. Now, could someone call Jan Brewer and tell her Texas already figured it out.







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  • BobE

    A VERY conservative Supreme Court ruled 7-2 against these voter suppression laws & for good reason. These laws that the GOP keeps trying to pass are suppose to solve the non existing problem of in person voting fraud (1 in 15 million votes) by disenfranchising millions of American people their right to vote that just happen to be the VERY least likely to vote GOP. The GOP is in a demographic death spiral and is doing everything it can do (except passing immigration reform] to slow down the process including trying to enact blatant racist voting laws.

    • antiliberalcryptonite

      BobE 
      Keep smoking that fat doobie ya big liberal 0bama-worshipper.

    • Beentheredonethatalready

      BobE The court is hardly conservative.  More like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.  Non existing problem?  You have democrat election workers that bragged about voting multiple times.  Let’s see how far that prosecution goes.  I have to show ID if I go to a bar, use my credit card,  get pulled over by the police, open an account at the local bank or try to open a PECO account.  Maybe your right.  All of those people are Racist for requiring ID.  Oh wait…I’m white it doesn’t matter.  Do your self a favor.  Brush up on your Spanish or Arabic.  When all of these illegals control our elections and take our country down to 3rd world status, you’ll be the one that is disenfranchised and you won’t be able to blame the lame GOP.

      • Texan Texan

        Poor people and old and young rarely, if ever, do what y just enumerated. The population without ID is about 11% so that’s a small number. Anecdotal evidence would tend to be toward no big deal. Why care about that moocher level 11%. Let them eat cake. I can vote. Who cares. Scalia is really really a Commie…for sure

      • BobE

        Beentheredonethatalready BobE Yea, yea, yea, I hear all you people talking about how HUGE a problem voter fraud is & how Obama stole two elections yet when you’re asked to come up with evidence you can’t! What’s even worst when you’re shown evidence that proves that voter fraud is an insignificant problem (135″suspected” cases in Ohio out of  5.6 million votes or 0.002397%) you simply reject the facts

      • buzz13

        Beentheredonethatalready BobE 
        This case had nothing to do with showing ID to vote. Note: Of the 11 state that require ID to vote President Obama won 4.

    • cae973

      BobE   a very conservative?  There are liberals on the court…2 females obama put there…plus Roberts has obviously been bought off.  The 2 really conversative judges disented.

      • BobE

        cae973  Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito and John Roberts are the most conservative judges to be on the Supreme Court since the 1930’s! Anthony Kennedy is a conservative as well Steven Breyer is in the center & can go either way the other 3 are liberal

    • Texan Texan

      Hey. There is fraud. A guy below just gave us ONE CASE. And that moron had some lame excuse. So there is FRAUD….ONE CASE. BUSH DOJ spent 5 years and millions looking for voter fraud. Over a 7 year period they found 86. …….that’s .000004%. That’s what a Rep Presidet found. Pretty far reaching. But hey that dude can quote ONE FRAUD. So screw those wimps without ID. GET OVER IT.

  • jimjames

    our supreme is as bad as obama they will go down in history as the worst justices ever.never though we would have commies on our courts fought commies for 75 years and they are controlling our country sad very sad

    • alexandbonnie

      Our hearts feel heavy and it seems we can’t hit a homerun. It’s all downhill and our beloved country is feeling it. Like you said commies are taking over and that was a word that couldn’t be said because right away they would prosecute you if anyone had an inkling that someone was a communist. It was not thrown around likely but now it seems to be a favorite thing to say you are a communist. But God forbid you say you are a proud American, then you are the enemy. Like you said, very sad indeed. I’m heartbroken. I am a proud American and I love my country.

      • Texan Texan

        Hey, Alex. Strange y know people who are proud and saying they are Communists. Y must hang with some heavy dudes. I go to lots of liberal things and never heard anyone talking about being a communist. In fact, the conversation usually goes to how the tea party types can decide to call Obama a fascist or a communist. So hey surprised to hear there are so many proud communists. I just don’t know any. Must be true if I read on a right wing blog. But hey y guys are gonna take power right after y impeach Obama…next week, I hear. Go señor Cruz.

        • Scuba queen

          If you are a liberal you shouldn’t be in Texas.

        • RivahMitch

          Texan Texan Actually, TT, you appear to be one of the “masters of deceit” yourself.

  • Victory1

    What a bunch of idiots running this country.

    • Moparman12

      Victory1 you can say that again.

  • Rodger Higgins

    Then I would simply pass the law because asking the idiot in charge is plane UN American since he is a socialist at heart and lied, cheated and stole to get the 2nd election as well as the initial election. He should be shot and I would like to see that done in a public forum with a dirty rusty bullet.

    • Texan Texan

      Nice Christian sentiments. Must be a great example for your kids. Hope none of them take this as a serious request and follow through. Too bad y guys are so bad at catching anyone who steals an election. Say that is pretty doomed, with a capital D. Wonder how W won…Oh yea Supremes. Don’t have them anymore. This makes me laugh. Powerless. YEA.

  • BarbaraJohnson

    If this is the case, then as a citizen why should I bother to go vote then when the wole would can decide who my Government is going to be anyways?

  • Sabre223

    Is out of control non-citizen voting an issue that we have in this country?? I don’t recall the vast numbers of non-citizens crashing the voting boothes last election. Is this even something to get hot and bothered about?
    To me it seems like the major push to pass a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning. Is there an epidemic of flag burning that I am unaware of? Seems like we have bigger problems with which to concern ourselves.

    • greenmountainboy6

      Sabre223  
      Its a problem because the ‘Dems,Libs,Marxists,Commies ‘ whatever you wanna call them will use the names unethically to cheat on elections!

    • Roystoll2

      Just how do you think that Barack Obama managed to get elected with the highest unemployment and every single measure on every issue against him?  There was massive voter fraud and nobody in this country has the guts to stand up to it other than the Tea Party Movement,…period!  Either get behind the Tea Party Movement or quit whining.  and by the way, name just one problem more important than making sure that only valid U.S. Citizens vote.

      • bmg28

        What will you do with the dogs and cats that vote, or the dead voters. Plus having the black panther pissers standing watch to intimidate the honest voters. The people we have today are not of the same fiber we had in the 30’s and 40’s  THEY WERE AMERICANS BACK THEN today we have wimps

      • BobE

        Roystoll2 How did Obama get elected with high unemployment? That’s an easy question. The American people were not about to double down on the catastrophic failures of Dubya nor accept the GOP’s medieval social agenda. It’s just that simple. I know you idiots truly believe that there was voter fraud but I wonder why you believe an anonymous email with all your heart yet reject the GOP sec of state of Ohio when he says that only 135 POSSIBLE voter fraud cases were found out of 5.6 MILLION votes cast?

    • RivahMitch

      Sabre223 Actually, y6ou have no idea who is voting. Given that in so-called “battleground” states there were numerous instances of more votes than registered voters in multiple precincts, logic would lead to that conclusion.

      • bmg28

        Yep and not a dam thing was done about it. Just accept it and don’t make waves

    • kmilliorn

      Sabre223–See my post above. Under the current methods of issuing drivers’ licenses & doing mail-in voter registration, it is IMPOSSIBLE to track non-citizen voting. I can tell you that, here in southern NM, I encountered about 25% of my patients who spoke no English, with, perhaps, 1/3-1/2 of these being illegal immigrants or “medical tourists” (folks who came across the border for the express purpose of obtaining medical care).
      So we have significant numbers of potential illegal voters here, with a system that can fast-track fraudulent votes, with NO WAY to track them. There are 6 other states that also issue licenses to illegal immigrants. In view of the activism of “immigrants’ rights” groups, do you really think that voter fraud is unlikely to occur under these circumstances–particularly since it is virtually impossible to detect?

  • DrBillLemoine

    What a bunch of puffery, misinformation and misdirection we have here. To start there was one SCOTUS decision to negate AZ stepping on federal law–not the implied 2 instances. Then the article conflates driver license and voter applications, two different governmental levels/approvals. Plus there is no constitutional right to drive as there is to vote. Get another job–your writing stinks.

    • greenmountainboy6

      DrBillLemoine  
      Dr,
      Can I ask you a question please. In all your educated days have you seen the country this bad?

      • bmene

        greenmountainboy6 DrBillLemoine Russia and China come to mind as well as IRAQ well all I can say is Obummer can just kiss my Country Ass

      • BobE

        greenmountainboy6 DrBillLemoine You only have to go as far back as Dubya for that

    • kmilliorn

      If you live in New Mexico, you can get a driver’s license whether you are a citizen or not (& licenses for citizens & non-citizens are identical). Voter registration may be done by mail & ballots are required by law to be in Spanish in addition to English. Even if you vote in person, a driver’s license is used to confirm address more than identity. Tell me that this system is not ripe for abuse, in a state in which fewer than 100 votes can decide state or national election results.

      • bmg28

        When I went in to renew my drivers licence (thats renew) I had to send out of state for my birth certificate ($30.00) I should have told them I was really a mexican and saved 30 bucks.  The state was/is Utah

  • Jackolyn

    Well the election system will stay corrupt and fraudulent as Obama has honed it to be. Only stupidity allows voting without ID of citizenship. Sad that legal elections aren’t coming back to America.

  • cae973

    Since all legal immigrants must pass a citizen test in English to become citizens….why are there ballots in spanish?
    And why would native americans complain since they all have tribal cards to use for Id?

  • traditionist

    I wouldn’t worry about a silly supreme court ruling. Do it anyway Arizona. If bummer won’t abide by the constitution then why should az.

    • Moparman12

      traditionist what they going to do arrest the whole state.

    • Texan Texan

      Yea. Sure jan brewer who just took Medicaire fed money will do that. She’s awesome.

      • bmg28

        I think brewer lost her back bone same as a lot of our wonderful elected piss ants that are turning their backs on who put them in their cushy over paid jobs.

    • bmg28

      There isn’t a law this SOB has not pissed on. I’d like to deport every SOB that voted for this illegal commie.

  • sswulff

    How about we ask him to KISS OUR ASS ….

  • sunshkid

    The USA is no longer a Republic.  Even the Supreme Court has flaked out!

    • Texan Texan

      If y call mr Gingrich, I believe he still has the plans for Moon colony. Should be able to get Koch boys and Addelson assistance. It wd solve allyr problems. No commie allowed. Call newt and calista. Ready and willing. Ill contribute and lots of my commie friends.

    • bmg28

      The suprmeme court has been liberal far too long. But how to get rid of them??????

  • Moparman12

    I wonder if that works on the fed. questionaire they have you to fill out to buy a gun? We will be a 3rd world country before the Democrats finish us off. I wish the Demorcats would just say tey are out to destroy yhe US & say their communist.

    • Texan Texan

      Say they are communists. If this happened it would be like the magic unicorn had come. It would solve all the problems and y guys would get all the young, Hispanic, women, black votes. That’ll do it. Tell Señor Cruz.

  • sswulff

    They can still kiss my ass ….

    • Oat 1

      sswulff Amen……..

  • fortuneteller43

    Dependency, dependency, dependency…….

  • Oat 1

    God help us if we’ve lost the Supreme Court to this administration… I cannot believe that they would say that Arizona has to ask Obama for permission to request Arizona to ask for “proof of citizenship” for people to register to vote. What the heck is going on in our country, has the Supreme court made  a hard left turn…….

    • bmg28

      The rotten supreme court is in his ball park I believe all but 2 are liberals

      • buzz13

        bmg28 
        So, Justice Scalia is a liberal?

  • bmene

    Ask permission? Damn guess we are little kids and need pappies permission. Has he got the guts to go to AZ and tell them this BS. NO NO NO

  • VirgoVince

    Ask who, for what?   TELL that ugly illegal mu-slime sob pos fraud, to go f”k himself and AZ, do what’s best for your state and the country!!   ovomit has NO business telling anyone what to do or how or when to do it, he’s NOT a leader!!

    • buzz13

      VirgoVince 
      You do realize that the law the SC was ruling on was passed in 1993 and President Obama had nothing to do with it or the law suit.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        buzz13 VirgoVince Buzz, do YOU realize that the suit that made it to the Supreme Court was not filed in 1993 and that Erick The Louse Holder was very much involved in it and therefore so was OBozo because Eric The Louse Holder doesn’t do ANYTHING that OBozo doesn’t agree with?

        • buzz13

          GrumpyOldMan buzz13 VirgoVince
          Just so you don’t have to go back and try to read:  “Federal taxpayers picked up a lot of the cost since the Justice Department had a hand in assisting “The League of Woman voters of Arizona, the “Mexican American Legal Defense Fund” and Arizona Indian Tribes—all tax exempt organizations—in their challenge to Arizona’s “proof of citizenship” voter registration requirement.”
          The Justice Dept. did not initiate the suit and only assisted those who filed the suit in the first place.

  • noelle20102

    We need a massive civil war and we need it down!
    THE FIRST PEOPLE WE NEED TO TAKE OUT ARE THE JUDGES ON THE SUPREME COURT AND CONVICT THEM OF TREASON ALONG WITH MCCAIN GRAHAM BOEHNER AND HAVE A PUBLIC EXECUTION!!
    NEXT WE NEED TO TOTALLY GET RID OF ALL 3 BRANCHES OF THE CORRUPT GOVT!

    • bmg28

      God that sounds so good course it would never happen. But what a difference for our country if it did

    • TonyRuiz

      noelle20102    Pretty much

  • ArthurGarin

    The Supreme Court is nothing but a bunch of overeducated crooks …

    • Jed54

      ArthurGarin 
      There something, over educated? That’s an understatement…. LOL

  • ArthurGarin

    The Supreme Court is nothing but a bunch of overeducated crooks!

    • jorgaone

      ArthurGarin Education has nothing to do with true learning…educated idiots is the term that comes to mind…NO contact with the “real world” since it might sully their hands…bunch of BO butt-kissers…

  • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

    Go yourselves SCOTUS and Obamination.  Go suck a Wally ! Pinko Commie Fags !

  • RobertLCraft

    what kind of judges you people think you are.above GOD i am sure.but in my opinion you are all crooked and a back kisser for obama.and i think you people should be changed every 4 years and 4 years is to long for some of you.and i am sure you know who i am talking about.

  • JCARSC

    That little snippy negro thinks he rules the whole world. He can go to hell.

  • JCARSC

    That little snippy basturd thinks he rules the world. He can go to hell

    • bmg28

      Oooooh I love your comment. But its true he is in love with himself

  • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

    He’s nothing but a YELLOW NEGRO ! His so-called advisors who was smoking crack and marijuana, advised him that his economic plan is a BLING-BLING !

    • BobE

      Pierre77L Obama had nothing to do with the decision dipshit! It was made by the supreme court!

      • Don39

        See folks I told you he was an overpaid leftist sycophant and  idiot!

      • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

        BobE Pierre77L So before you put your foot in your mouth, OVOMIT LOVER ! The supreme court is riddled with corrupt commie judges.  They don’t have an inkling on assessment, same as true on me and my wife who submitted our absentee ballot in Arizona. The deal was that the final count for votes was for the following day at 8 am. But before that at midnight they already declared your illegal alien Kenyan friend of yours, the winner. The absentee ballot wasn’t finally counted. That is foul !  I think you defending Obozzo is a wrong example, YOU TROLL MINDED SUB-HUMAN FREAK.  This is on the record with the case with Ken Bennet of Maricopa county. Voting should come with integrity and transparency. You’re a USEFUL IDIOT for that illegal so-called president who have his personal record sealed that includes Michelle.

  • kurierradek48

    1,000 yds and a scope….

  • RonaldChristopher

    IQs are hanging around 39. Honor system? Well, if they are illegal then where is their honor. Oh, yeah, they left it on the south side of the fence.

  • 19jrq51

    WTF! You must be a citizen to vote! Prove it! Screw Obama! He isn’t a citizen but no one can prove it. He is a traitor and needs to be executed by firing squad!

  • WerewolfVm

    I cannot fathom the logic of this Supreme Courts decision! There is no sense at all to that conclusion of asking Obama for permission to defend a state’s own borders. That is insane and totally an ignorant statement. What the hell is the purpose anymore of the Supreme Court. The last time the made a ruling was nothing but trouble and it opened up Pandora’s Box of craziness. Is there something being added into our drinking water or just a major epidemic of stupidity sweeping across America in certain areas? Primarily Washington DC, California, New York and a few other areas!

    • BobE

      WerewolfVm Of course you cannot fathom the supreme court’s logic. You do not understand what logic even is!

      • TonyRuiz

        BobE WerewolfVm    Leave the dumb shit alone and he’ll eventually go away; he’s subhuman, with an IQ like his age….12

        • WerewolfVm

          TonyRuiz BobE WerewolfVmIs it okay that I invade and homestead in your house and never leave. Thus you cannot make me because the Supreme Court says I do not have to leave. It is the same freaking thing!  Stupid liberal socialist traitors! All of you liberal traitors should be rounded up a marched into the oceans and drowned! POS!

        • BobE

          TonyRuiz BobE WerewolfVm Don’t worry old man, you’ll be getting your “obamacare” meds soon & you can thank your governor for them!

        • TonyRuiz

          WerewolfVm TonyRuiz BobE    Way too much trouble. Llberals should just be doused with gas and lit, starting with BobE

      • WerewolfVm

        BobE WerewolfVm  So you are trying to be insulting are you now Bob E! You want a battle of wits? You are kind of brave hiding behind your monitor and keyboard there old man. I am well educated and have multiple life experiences doing many things in life including a 20+ year career in the USAF. These are times I want real face time with ignorant SOB’s like you and challenge you the old fashioned way!

        • BobE

          WerewolfVm BobE I’m afraid you’re unarmed to have a battle of wits with me my friend. I would find that about as challenging as getting into an ass kicking contest with a one legged woman

        • TonyRuiz

          WerewolfVm BobE    Not worth it. Let him boil in his own juices; much more tender meat that way and we can just use a fork

        • sunshkid

          WerewolfVm 
           
          Don’t bother with numb nuts (BobE) – he couldn’t see logic if it was spoon fed to him (and the way he talks, I suspect that he is spoon fed his answers).

        • NavyVet

          BobE  — She’d whip you soundly … and I’d love to see it.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE WerewolfVm Oh BoobiE. Your misspellings are getting away from you again. You typed “wits” when we all know what you meant was “shits” and you definitely have us all beaten in the amount of that that you have!

        • NWProgressive

          BobE WerewolfVm 
          Bebejaan doesn’t do battle.  He is actually several people paid by the Democrats to provoke fights instead of conservatives coming to a consensus.  Keep them separated.
          He’s easy to prove wrong but Laughing at him is the only thing that works so why bother.
          Hey Bobejaan  (Bobejaan means baboon)

  • boxcar62

    What a wicked mess. These courts are spineless and have no moral values on which to conduct their duties. God is going to have His day with these evil corrupt lawless thugs.

    • WerewolfVm

      boxcar62  I am with you to a certain point! But they all do not believe in God, that is the problem. They do not fear God at all, they must think they are equal to God or do not believe at all!

  • WerewolfVm

    Is it possible that any member of the SCOTUS be tried and removed for treason? I swear there has been more treasonous acts committed by all three branches of our so called form of government than ever before. It is so blatantly obvious that they are in the bag for Obama and a socialism take over of our country! They all need to be arrested and tried for treason, all of them!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      WerewolfVm They can be impeached, yes.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      WerewolfVm They can be impeached, and then removed.  Yes. But do we really want OBozo to select their replacements?  Especially based on the two he already put there?

    • Don39

      WerewolfVm Not with our corrupt limp-wristted Congress!

  • forevermore

    I thought the Supreme Court was above reproach.  How can you let people who don’t live in this country as citizens vote without being ask to show proof? I have to show proof and I’m native born. 
    I don’t expect an answer because I know that anyone associated with this admin. can’t remember, it’s an on going something, anything but the truth to the American people.
    I am ashamed of the Supreme Court.  Honesty above all else. Joke!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      forevermore YOU may be “native born” but the guy in the White House isn’t!

      • NavyVet

        GrumpyOldMan forevermore — “native born” is NOT “natural born” and “natural born” is a REQUIREMENT for the Office of President.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          NavyVet GrumpyOldMan forevermore Yes, and they have different meanings. The point was that OBozo isn’t even “native” born and you can not be “natural born” without first being “native” born.  Native born is a lesser standard. Sorry for the confusion.

  • downenray

    It’s hard to believe that the U.S. Supreme Court could make such a foolish decision. Of course no one should be allowed to register to vote in a national election except our citizens. Of course some proof should be required. In my case I don’t carry around a birth certificate, but I have a Social Security card I received nearly 70 years ago and it includes my Social Security number, which of course hasn’t changed. And I have my discharge card from the U.S. Navy, which also goes to establish proof. But if I needed the birth certificate I’d have to again send to Texas for it as I’ve done twice before, not being able to retain the certificate during moves and a tornado. But to ask Obama for permission for anything at all is against all reason.

    • suzy2

      downenray No, they know exactly what they are doing.  They are helping Obama destroy this country.

      • Don39

        suzy2 downenray Not to be nit picking, but, they are not intent on destroying the country, but on destroying the Republic, bringing it down to the point that they can iradicate the Constitution and your freedom and gain FULL control!

    • buzz13

      downenray 
      Actually, legal aliens can join our military, and can work legally in this country and have a SS card, so the two forms of “ID” you referred to do not, necessarily, prove that someone is  a citizen. That would be why you had to have a birth certificate.

  • suzy2

    The Judges are either paid off, part of the Muslim administration treason, or just to scared to go against Obama from threats.  I say they all need to get OUT of office.  They are not for America.  They are all Treasonous creeps, especially Kagan and her fast A

    • BobE

      suzy2 EVERYBODY that doesn’t agree with your warped view of reality is a Muslim, Communists or demon!

      • suzy2

        BobE suzy2 Bull crap.  A true American for Freedom and Liberty does.  Obama Administration has placed his crooks in high places to under mind the laws of /America.  Do you want to live in a government control world?  Do you want to live under Muslim laws?  Obama is doing nothing but promoting the empowerment of the Muslim brotherhood and Judges are involved!  You’re an idiot if you think otherwise!

        • buzz13

          suzy2 BobE
          Just curious, what “Muslim laws” have been passed under President Obama?

        • suzy2

          buzz13 suzy2 BobE They may as well have been passed.  Christians have been arrested for their beliefs, Muslims demanding their prayer in schools while demanding the Christians show no sign of their beliefs, Our rights to free speech are slowly being limited, and many more.  I will not debate this with you as you are obviously  not informed or part of America’s problem! Do you not get Obama has put us close to world war 3 with his decisions without Congress?  Do you not see he is trying to empower the Muslim brotherthood in this country?.

        • Don39

          Watch out for the trap, we all know that Obama works on propaganda , edicts, and outside the law. He was outside the law the second he swore an oath to the Constitution and has been every sense, refusing blatantly to even obey the Constitution and the law, trying to change the law to run against the Constitution and when failing that just ignoring the law to have his way. This lawlessness permeates his administration and the liberal courts.

      • NavyVet

        BobE  …… don’t forget “or an idiot”.

      • Moparman12

        BobE suzy2 Bob I want to know since you say you have read the Koran how do you get around the part that tell what they will do to a infidel. I think 240 million lives since 1400 shows what they do.PLEASE tell how you get around being killed if we don’t submit to their religion & if we do we will have a heavy tax on Christian & never be equil to them. I read it with my own eyes & will copy it wor for word if need be.

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE suzy2 No, I have not read the Koran, I have read the bible

        • Don39

          Maybe skim is the better word, if that, or more likely selective skimming and ignorant interpretation. Probably looking for loop holes, like the devil would read the Bible or an amoral person, out of fear.

        • downenray

          BobE — From your remarks it’s obvious that you do not believe the Bible and its warnings concerning those who oppose God. — Ray Downen.

  • rchguns

    If they took 95% of the lawyers and 80% of the judges outlined the courthouse and hung them by the neck until he stopped kicking the country would be a whole lot better off. They used to make a joke that you didn’t have a program you can tell the good guys from the bad guys. It’s not a joke anymore you can tell the lawyers and politicians from the criminals. Sometimes I think the criminals have more ethics in either politicians or attorneys. The latter two will do anything for power and a dollar.

    • BobE

      rchguns WTF is with you people? You don’t accept democracy or the supreme court so why don’t you just get the hell out?

      • NavyVet

        BobE rchguns BobE – you fool – this is NOT a “democracy” …. no where in the Constitution will you even find that word ….. this is a Constitutional Republic ….. did you get that? Constitutional!
        The Supreme Court is BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION AS WRITTEN (and amended) .. there is a procedure required to change, or amend the Constitution – any effort to change it my any other means is an attempt to destroy the Founding Documents of this nation and is, therefore, AN OVERT ACT OF WAR AGAINST THIS NATION.

      • http://lambspoet.blogspot.com/ lambsev

        BobE rchguns ~ as an atheist Bob, what guidelines do you use to judge matters of politics and society?

      • GrumpyOldMan

        BobE rchguns Boobie, why don’t YOU move to Cuba?  From all your posts collectively, it sounds like a perfect match!  If the island is too small, try Venezuela. They have a high school drop out such as yourself for president there. He was a bus driver. You could go places. Bon Voyage!

  • USA Retired

    Better yet, We Arizonan’s will change the law and shove it where O’Bozo’s sun does not shine!

    • AmferFerg

      USA Retired Now you’re sounding like Gov. Brewer – and that’s a good thing.  I think she’s planning her next move and I don’t think it’s going to be ‘asking obama for permission’.  Go, AZ!!

      • BobE

        AmferFerg USA Retired No, She’s asking for that “Obamacare” $$!

        • AmferFerg

          BobE AmferFerg USA Retired   Now that surprises me!…and disappointing.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          AmferFerg BobE USA Retired AmferFerg, check it out for yourself. Taking anything that BoobiE says at face value is putting your intelligence in jeopardy.

        • cajunliberty7

          GrumpyOldMan AmferFerg BobE USA Retired 
          That is a great way to put it.  Thank you GumpyOldMan!  Sometimes I think I qualify to be that as well…ha.

        • Don39

          Ever wonder what there is between bobe and buzzy boy? If it were not for buzzy, bobby would get no love!

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan AmferFerg BobE USA Retired can you post the link?

  • Hideurglun

    Who says that states must even hold federal elections? Or is it merely federal rules when they do?

  • AmferFerg

    I find it quite interesting that Justices Thomas and Alito dissented – Justice Scalia authored this.  In ‘normal’ times, you could count on the conservative views from these 3 Justices.  Justice Scalia, seems to me you just didn’t measure up on this issue; you not only disappointed both Thomas and Alito, but people like me who once admired you.  Shame…

    • GrumpyOldMan

      AmferFerg You should have heard Scalia discuss the 2nd Amendment. His real talent is in parsing and twisting the words of the Constitution into forms that were never intended by the Founders.  I haven’t trusted him in a long time after reading some of his “reasoning”, which like the others is to reach a certain result, not in the merits of the law.

  • Hideurglun

    Arizona, go ahead and require the citizenship proof and then let the federal courts try each and every case where it is applied.

  • TonyRuiz

    F–K the supremes, they don’t know AZ

  • RickJason

    Piss on the SC.  Az. needs to enforce the laws as they are and being that the illegal POTUS’ admin. refuses to follow the Constitution,  we need to do it ourselves.  Patriots need to start patrolling the borders themselves and running the illegals back to Mex.  We’ve already got a few hundred doing just that but we need thousands to cover the entire border.

  • Mick553

    Hopefully Arizona will say “Screw you” to the Supreme Court and do the right thing here. Secession becoming more and more likely for states that still believe in freedom and America as it once was.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Mick553 I will be moving to the first State that secedes.  It will be just like the Northern War of Aggression.  Everyone one with skill sets will move to a truly free land, and once again the Feds will find out they haven’t got the intelligence or resources to make it without those of us who actually produce.

    • BobE

      Mick553 Secession??? wasn’t one “beatdown” enough for you hillbilly’s?

      • Don39

        Folks ignore the idiot, truth and patriotism and conservatism is not confined to Dixie, and never has been. This is about saving the Constitutional Republic and our God given rights and defeating the leftist sociocommunist machine!

      • downenray

        BobE — Many in the South were not hillbilly folks. If it takes another war to rid ourselves of the Muslim now in the White House, we’ll raise the needed army from patriots in every part of the U.S.A. What a pity it is that millions of patriots sulked instead of voting Obama out of office in 2012! It’s their fault that we now must consider armed rebellion. — Ray Downen

        • GrumpyOldMan

          downenray BobE We are going to disagree here Mr. Downen. It wasn’t “sulking”. It was being fed up with the “leadership” of the Republican Party thugs such as Pee Wee Priebus and Romney’s handlers.
          It’s not good enough anymore to just offer up another evil that is lesser than the evil already there.  There were no positive reasons to go out and vote for another liberal Republican.  A Democrat Lite if you will.  Why vote for that when you have the real thing already destroying to country for every one to see and not guess at?  
          McCain was a bad choice in 2008. Romney was a worse choice in 2012 and he lost to McCain in 2008.  Where is the sense in forcing him on Republicans?

        • downenray

          GrumpyOldMan — Sulking, I said. And sulking it was as is made clear by Grumpy. — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          downenray You call it “sulking” I call it not being one of the blind lemmings just walking over the edge of the cliff.  Or being one of the “sheeple” who are willing to accept anything the Republican Party is willing to shove down their throats without any thought whatsoever. 
          If you can’t offer me something besides a choice between a broken government or a broken government, then I will not participate in you stupid little rigged game in which all puppet masters are the same.  You want my vote you earn it.
          This country was established on the basis of an informed electorate. We no longer have an informed electorate.  And I guess you are proving it right now.

  • fscarlson

    This is the way Obama gets his revenge.  He doesn’t like Arizona.  We have Sheriff Arpaio, a real thorn in O’s butt, and we have Jan Brewer and SB 1070.   I hope we don’t give up on this issue and ram it right back down his throat.  One must be a citizen of the US minus a criminal record to vote.  That excludes NON CITIZENS, illegal or otherwise.  Are they that desperate for votes?  The Supreme Court has become a big joke as far as I’m concerned.  The scales of justice will weigh heavily against them when they meet their maker.

    • BobE

      fscarlson Do you actually think some small time sheriff that thinks he’s John Wane in some shitbird town in the middle of nowhere is of any concern of Obama’s? Or some wingnuts governor is either? My guess is Obama is laughing his ass off at those two idiots because he knows that AZ will turn into a “blue state” simply because of demographics by 2016!

      • ladydriver1996

        BobE fscarlson  Sheiff is NOT some small time sheriff in a “shitbird” town. He is the sheriff of a large county in a large city. Get your fact straight shitbird brain. If they are not a concern of Obummer then why is he filing lawsuit against him every time you turn around. He can’t stand it because him and the state of Az are upholding the law and the Constitution. So you need to get some FACTS before you start spewing your garbage on here and go back to drinking your koolaid. Sounds like your bummer phone is ringing. Better get out those foodstamps and go buy some more freebees that we the taxpayers are paying for while you are at it

        • BobE

          ladydriver1996 BobE fscarlson Actually I’m not of food stamps & it was another good day with the Dow (so I’m happy). One fact I did get right is AZ is going BLUE so ya better get ready because there’s a new sheriff coming to town SOON!

        • Don39

          Folks the truth is not to be found here so spend your brain elsewhere.

        • downenray

          BobE * That you’re a prophet is obvious. That your prophecy will come true is open to question. — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org.

      • Don39

        See the idiot is now POed he can not use spell check and forgot how to punctuate! This enemy of the Constitutional Republic is openly rooting for your demise!

      • downenray

        BobE * It may be that “BobE” is a fictitious person dreamed up by those in charge just to make life interesting for readers. Surely it’s something like that. No sane person could possibly be so wrong.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      fscarlson No question the blindfold from Lady Justice has been removed!

  • NavyVet

    Arizona needs to tell the “supreme court” that the Constitution only applies to a Citizen of one of these united States of America, or to a citizen of the United States – anything granted by the Constitution requires proof of qualification to justify the grant.

  • NWProgressive

    Perhaps Arizona could separate the Federal Ballots from the State Ballots.  You need to provide proof of citizenship for a State Ballot.  Print the Federal Ballot on toilet paper and have them freely available in all public bathrooms on election day

  • BobE

    I realize you people truly believe that “in person voter fraud” is a massive problem by which Obama was able to steal two elections. My question is why? Is it because you simply cannot accept facts that go against your beliefs? Is it a self defense    mechanism so you don’t have to deal with the reality that America rejected your ideas? Why do you people believe in things sooooo strongly when the evidence completely contradicts your beliefs? On what basis do come to your conclusion?  Why would you believe an anonymous email that claims Obama got 108%  of the vote in a county of Ohio over the GOP Secretary of State in Ohio who investigated the voting & was only able to come up with 135 “POSSIBLE” cases out of 5.6 million votes cast or a meager 0.002397%?  Do facts & evidence mean ANYTHING to you people?
    http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/mediaCenter/2013/2013-05-23.aspx

    • elnegron77

      BobE  
      You were entertaining for a while, but I’ve come to realize that you are just a child who could do quick research on the computer and quote others. Do your parents know you spend so much time on the computer.  Please go play some video games and let the grownups speak. And remember BobE Jesus Loves You.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      BobE Your selective reasoning is what is defective BoobiE.  Were this an isolated incident, I would be inclined to agree with you. However it is anything but isolated. And there have been successful prosecutions plenty of times.  Enough times to figure if they actually caught all the voter fraud, the results would be entirely different. 
      In fact, had it not been for proven voter fraud in Indiana, OBozo wouldn’t have even been on the ballot in 2008.  And as much as the morons in your party like to disparage those of us that recognize the problem, the fact remains that if picture ID was required, and if fraudulent voter registration were not rampant, and if entire cemeteries were not registered Democrats (no Republicans by the way) not only would OBozo not be in the White House, the other clown Franken would not be in the Senate not would the Senator of Alaska (Mycow I think her name is), the previous female Governor of Washington State would not have been Governor and on and on it goes.  
      There is simple solutions to insure that the “one person one vote” rule would be applied across the board, but then there would be far less Democrats in office.  So the fraud, endorsed, supported and perpetuated by E. Holder must be allowed to continue to the detriment of all fair minded and thinking Americans.  I do not include you in that group by the way.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        BobE And PS, if you have a crooked Supervisor of Elections, do you really think they are going to confess because they have been asked to investigate themselves?  Eric Holder is the most stupid Attorney General in history.  The idea that he is going to investigate himself is another joke on We the People by this illegal regime.

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE He’s a republican! Check the records of EVERY county you think that voter fraud exists. There is NO evidence yet somehow you morons ALWAYS believe that the facts are wrong if they don’t agree with your beliefs

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE GrumpyOldMan I do believe you are describing yourself to a tee there Boobie!  Is the mirror the only one you can carry on a conversation with now?

        • downenray

          BobE * It’s not the FACTS that are wrong. The fact is that Obama is a Muslim and an enemy of this republic who uses any means fair or FOUL to “win” election counts. — Ray Downen.

      • TonyRuiz

        GrumpyOldMan BobE    You shouldn’t was your time talking to this retard

        • GrumpyOldMan

          TonyRuiz GrumpyOldMan BobE In general I agree with you Tony.  However, in this case I’m inclined to think if no response is made, someone might think his comment has some merit.

        • TonyRuiz

          GrumpyOldMan TonyRuiz BobE   I think we should leave him to play with himself, like he plays with all of us. He’ll tire of being ignored and move on to another site where he’ll be appreciated, like obama.com

      • BobE

        GrumpyOldMan BobE  can we agree that if “in person voter fraud” represents less then 0.003% of the vote it’s not a problem? If so where is your evidence that’s it’s higher then that?

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE GrumpyOldMan Where is YOUR evidence that it is anywhere near that low? And do you dispute that were it not for voter fraud in Indiana, in which someone who promoted it is in jail, that OBozo wouldn’t have even been on the ballot in Indiana?  Or are you so in the dark that actual news never reaches you? Communist Bull $hit network does not count, nor does Predominately $hitty  Nitwit Bull Casting network.

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/
          check the sources if you think this website just “made this stuff up”

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE GrumpyOldMan You are not answering the question, as usual Boobie.

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE The link I posted answers all your questions

        • Don39

          BobE GrumpyOldMan Folks this sight has recently been exposed as a leftist front and support site by no less that one of their own media.

        • downenray

          BobE * Dishonesty is not always easy to catch, but it’s always wrong. If we can prove one case of dishonesty, we have to assume there were many more that we couldn’t prove. That’s the way crooks operate. Stealing. Lying. And that Chicago politics is based on such actions is easy to see. If we catch one crooked vote, that doesn’t mean that all other votes were honest. It means that the entire system is in need of overhaul. Yes, even a small catch is indicative of a major problem! And that Obama is willing to buy or rig votes is obvious. We patriots want to see the crook sent back to Chicago where the danger of death by unlawful use of a weapon might rid the nation of the scum. — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org.

    • NWProgressive

      BobE 
      Bobejaan.  I can’t speak for the others here.  I want voter ID because you hate it.

      • BobE

        NWProgressive BobE Of course you do. You’re a racist & voter suppression laws are racist & that’s why our Supreme Court keeps striking them down

        • Don39

          BobE NWProgressive Folks there is NOTHING racist about not allowing fraudulent votes. In fact there is no right to vote in federal elections at all! There is only a federal law that the states THAT ALLOW ELECTIONS CAN NOT DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR COLOR WHO GETS TO VOTE. And there is nothing illegal or discriminatory about not letting illegals vote.You can tell when leftist are losing the argument by how down and lying they become.

        • BobE

          Don39 BobE NWProgressive What you cannot see that voter ID laws disenfranchise millions of American citizens their most basic right to vote. That is a fact. The “justification” for  doing this is to stop a problem that doesn’t exist (in person voter fraud). Follow me here… The states that are trying to enact these laws just happen to be the same states that have a long history of suppressing the black vote so is it really a stretch to draw the conclusion that if these same states that are trying to pass laws that will by all accounts suppress the minority vote to solve a problem that doesn’t exist (in person voter fraud) that they could possibly have ‘other motives”?

        • Don39

          Folks this nut continues to live in the past, stuck in his troll rut, or is he just paid to be ignorant to the advantage of the leftist sociocommunist progressive movement ? Wonder what happened to the finger? Lost up his nose or maybe his or someone else’s rear?

        • downenray

          BobE — The subject is not voter suppression. It’s illegal vote suppression and regardless of what the Supreme Court might decide, it’s time for the nation to suppress illegal votes and tampering with voting machines. If we are going to vote, it’s foolish for us to allow crooks to steal the election! — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org.

        • downenray

          BobE — Voter I.D. laws do not disenfranchise a single voter. They instead prevent illegal votes. Good for those who stand up for truth. — Ray Downen.

    • ladydriver1996

      BobE If you check there was voter fraud rampant across the whole country. People are even going to prison for it. You sir have been drinking to much of their kool aid and must have also got a free obummer phone.

      • Don39

        ladydriver1996 BobE  You are wasting your breath, all the facts and arguments are old hear, the leftist trolls will not hear them and will continue to ignore the truth and spout their lies!

      • BobE

        ladydriver1996 BobE  I have checked. I’m not talking about nipshits like the people here that claim it to be true. If people have gone to prison then there would be a record. I have looked & searched for any evidence of voter fraud & have found NO evidence of any over 0.003% of the vote. I have asked people here to show me why they believe it’s true but they cannot do it

    • Moparman12

      BobE Bob I don’t really know but I do have a problem with a company in Spain counting the votes since the company is owned by a head pin in the drug cartel & we lost several thoudand m16’s somewhere south of the border. I do know they were very careful with my vote I hd to sigh the book with my name & address & then  my ballot. I never understood why a American CO. wasn
      ‘t hired to count the vote maybe yu can shed some light on this.

    • Don39

      BobE Notice folks BobE only ever talks about Ohio and its proven few cases , not the states where all and more of the registered voters voted and all voted Obama! Not about the documented cases of changing the vote in and by the machine as programmed! Is there any doubt in your mind in whose pay this troll is?

      • BobE
      • BobE

        Don39 BobE What I notice is you talk about “documented cases” but can’t provide ANY evidence? Where are these “documented cases” cases you speak of?

        • Don39

          Folks I provided this idiot with facts and with the appropriate references some time back. If you care to just pull up my comments and go back a bit and see. I have in fact covered this numerous times here and elsewhere and will not let this leftist bully goad me into spending more time on it . if any good conservative needs clarification I will gladly provide reference . I suggest if you missed it that you start on WND and True the Vote. Check out the FA fiasco where legal votes were lost and never counted  and where Obama voters exceeded not just registered voters , but entire populations. The facts are there if you really want them.

        • BobE

          Don39 I have not seen any of your facts & would seriously be interested in seeing them

  • GrumpyOldMan

    We have an intellectually bankrupt Supreme Court at the moment, unfortunately for us.  We have a Supreme Court that wants to be A.) Politically correct, at all costs. B.) Bases decisions on their political beliefs, rather than on the Constitution. C.) Does not have reasoning ability. In other words, is incapable of thinking that if A then B must follow.  Somehow, these jokers go from A to D and never hit anything in between.  Decisions are based on desired results, not based on law, stare decisis or any other legal principle.

    • popham

      They have been blackmailed and forced to make these rulings or lose their ????????

      • Don39

        popham Maybe. Are you saying they are just cowards and not betrayers, or both?

      • downenray

        popham * We may suspect foul play but can we prove it? Of course not. We have to accept that the Supremes are honest and cannot be bought or coerced into voting a particular way. — Ray Downen.

        • popham

          Now let’s see…..you have a very high profile job and a very good salary.
          But someone comes along, who has discovered that you are cheating on
          your wife.  Do you pay the blackmailer or confess to your wife on the spot?
          Even if you confess, your job is still up for grabs, because if the blackmailer
          publicizes your infidelity, then you probably lose wife, job, and salary.
          Case closed.

  • Aingeal

    The U.S. Supreme Court is proving to be as useless as the President of the U.S.  When illegal aliens and foreign terrorists like the Tsarnaev brothers have more rights than American citizens, then we have ceased to be a united country that puts America first.  Attorney General Eric “the Racist” Holder declared the U.S. to be a “country of cowards.”  We certainly are when we don’t stand up for our rights against the most anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-White government ever to occupy the White House and its promotion of a foreign invasion that won’t stop until it overtakes the U.S.  What the Supreme Court has done is to invite illegal aliens to throw U.S. elections via the Motor-Voter law which was designed for that purpose.  What these black-robed morons should be concerned about is the nearly complete stifling of U.S. soldiers’ right to vote.  The very men and women who defend our freedoms are the very people who have no rights when it comes to Democrats using any means necessary to prevent their votes from counting in a presidential election.  The Democrats aka Progressives aka Communists are sinking America into corruption and depravity.  No scandal is too great for them nor their “low IQ voters” who keep them in power.     The U.S.A. as such is finished!

  • popham

    Needless to say, this ‘ruling’ by the Supreme Court is appalling, as it is of course unconstitutional, but then
    Judge Roberts’ decision on Obamacare was equally as destructive to this once great nation.
    My fellow Americans: We are now more and more convinced that these Supreme Court justices, and in fact
    all of Capitol Hill, have been tenaciously monitored and wiretapped by the NSA, the DoJ and the IRS and others
    for many years, where their secrets, personal information and intimate details of their lifestyles have been uncovered
    and used by this government to blackmail judges, senators and congressmen to vote the socialist Democratic party line.
    After all, the end justifies the means…….doesn’t it?
    We have become a 100% surveillance state, and lest we never forget, that in his early days in Chicago, this is how
    Obama won elective offices, after ‘eliminating’ his opponent first. We are no longer a privacy-free democratic republic.
    Good luck, America.

    • BobE

      popham I hate to break the news to you but when the Supreme Court makes a decision it IS constitutional

      • http://lambspoet.blogspot.com/ lambsev

        BobE popham That is so untrue! Saying that makes the constitution subject to amendment by the Court. Which is exactly what Roe V. Wade was. Roe V Wade effectively removed the guarantee of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness under the rights under the constitution from persons in the womb.

        • BobE

          No, that is true.

        • DanielWolfe1

          BobE Sorry… but the people have the last say!

        • http://lambspoet.blogspot.com/ lambsev

          BobEThe Supreme court’s purpose is to judge the laws of the legislatures and to review decisions of lower courts USING THE CONSTITUTION as the standard. Courts never write law, they interpret exiting law.

        • Moparman12

          lambsev BobE you right on that. I had to go to Federal Court & the judge read & went by the letter of the law & I won.

        • Don39

          lambsev BobE Well that is the way it is supposed to be! And tell that to the traitor CJ Roberts!

        • http://lambspoet.blogspot.com/ lambsev

          Moparman12 lambsev BobE  God gave Adam one law and Adam broke it. He gave Moses ten laws and they broke them all in the wilderness.  He gave Moses the moral, civil and ceremonial laws for Israel’s theocracy. They were broken for several hundred years and also monstrously reformulated by the religious elites of Israel. Jesus came and fulfilled the law (and the prophets) and showed us all who will believe and receive Him that until we receive Him as Savior and Lord in Spirit and Truth, we are unable  to please Him, just as we were unable to obey His laws.

        • http://lambspoet.blogspot.com/ lambsev

          Don39 lambsev BobE It seems all to clear that men and women everywhere are seeking to live outside the law. Abortion, homosexuality, drugs, pornography, human trafficking, and all manner of evils go largely unopposed in the society, and those who desire their evil preferences sanctioned are succeeding.  Do we think coming the new world order will solve any of the deeply entrenched dysfunction inherent in humankind? It will not.
          We must learn the commands of Jesus, to change the way we think, love God will all our being, love our neighbors as ourselves. The overflowing lawlessness of this present evil time is evidence that we need to come into a trust agrement with God in Christ to learn the love of the Father who sent Jesus to save us.

      • Redmongo1

        BobE popham SCOTUS can be unseated just like any other politician. “legal” doesn’t always make it right.

      • Don39

        BobE popham People regardless of what this idiot says, the SCOTUS can not change the Constitution. They can only decide on Constitutionality issues. It takes an amendment as provided for within the Constitution and ratification of two thirds of the states to change the Constitution. That is why the leftist and RINOs disregard the Constitution and ignore and circumvent it every day. Nor can the SCOTUS or any other court legally write law. Thank you for hearing me and ignoring the ignorant leftist. Constitution Scholar and Judge.

      • downenray

        BobE * Is it constitutional even when it’s obviously wrong? How could it be? To declare that Obama has the right to tax us through Obamacare under the guise of fees is not right even if Judge Roberts says it’s O.K. — Ray Downen.

    • buzz13

      popham 
      What, exactly, do you find unconstitutional about the SC upholding a law passed in 1993?

    • dstemont

      We are not a democratic republic, we are a Constitutional Republic. Democracies have always failed in the past.

      • popham

        Thank you…..we stand corrected……yes a Constitutional Republic, but no longer a
        privacy-free nation; rather, we are now a 100% surveillance state……a far cry
        from a ‘Constitutional Republic’.  That is why we always end our comments with:
        “Good luck, America”.

  • popham

    Word to the wise.
    This blog is once again being infested with BobE’s rants and un-American diatribe.
    Do not honor him with a response.
    He really is a total, 100% waste of time.

    • Don39

      popham I would say respond to him only to call his lies and to speak to others using his comments as foundation and not speak to him or to his ignorance direct.

  • LaVerneVelasco

    Nancy PUSSLOSI the plastic faced BITCH and Hairball Reid should be EXECUTED with your president ASSama bin laden Obama, the PUNK, BITCH, TERRORIST and TYRANT. Larry VELASCO

  • vonrowley

    Check out Justice Thomas dissent and Ted Cruz Amendment at Rush Limbaugh web site.

  • WayneMckune

    They do not need Obama’s permission, that is why STATES have Separate Constitutionality Laws pertaining to each State..

  • lorlan4

    Perhaps, it’s time to persue perjury charges!!!  It is imperative that voter cheating be stopped.  We know who it is and are getting quite tired of it.

    • BobE

      We do? Who are they? I keep hearing about all this voter fraud but as of yet not a single person has shown any evidence of any

      • Moparman12

        BobE Bob we have to wait & see on this. I thought states rights supersed federal rights. I think if I remember did’t SC/ fight this in 1860. I talked to my rep. in the house of reps. & he said it was up to the stated to take or reject Obama care. I am afraid that is going the same way it went in 1860.I don’t believe anyone can just walk off the street & say I want to vote. You are well read tell me I am right or wrong. Thanks

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE You thought states rights supersede federal rights? Well, there once was a place called the confederate states of America that would beg to differ

        • Moparman12

          BobE Moparman12 hey were going to rise again if this keeps up.

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE The beatdown you hillbilly’s get will be MUCH more severe (and quicker) the next time around

        • Moparman12

          BobE Moparman12 hey we are still here & stronger than ever,

        • downenray

          BobE * The time seems to be at hand when it will become necessary for patriots to secede from Obamaland. If we must do so by force, we will do so by force. We do not intend to submit to anti-liberty decrees by Obama and the political party he now controls. — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org

        • downenray

          BobE — No patriot will side with the Muslim when armed action becomes necessary. First we must do everything possible to force Obama out of office.

      • Don39

        BobE You are a damn liar, I showed you the evidence and you continue to be the leftist troll liar that you have always been.

        • BobE

          Don39 BobE when? where?

      • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

        BobE Well since you call me dipshit ! Before you put your foot in your mouth, Ovomit lover. Me & my wife submitted our absentee ballot in Arizona. The count hasn’t been finished they declare your illegal alien Kenyan friend of yours  the winner. The deal was for the following day at 8 a.m. So tell me you TROLL MINDED SUB-HUMAN FREAK.! It’s own the record with Ken Bennet of Maricopa County. Even if the count was finalized at a layer date. I wouldn’t buy it. Go suck an egg !

        • BobE

          Pierre77L
          BobE
           Arizona Secretary of State told Senators that the state prosecuted a whopping, mind-boggling fifteen cases of voter fraud, in the last eighteen months. And yet, none of these were even cases of non-citizens voting, but were citizens who voted in Arizona and in another state.
          I wonder how many snowbirds were inadvertently caught up in the fury, as Republicans fought so hard to hide their voter suppression efforts behind the thin veil of fraud? DUMBASS!

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE Pierre77L Well DUMBASS, (BoobiE) if there is no voter fraud, one has to wonder why the likes of the half-breed OBozo and Eric the Goon Holder, has to fight so hard to prohibit making people show some evidence of citizenship doesn’t it?  No, that would be logical and we know loons such as yourself don’t have a logical brain cell in their entire heads.

      • WhatsItMatter

        BobE Hey Bobby Boy, long time no see! I see you’re back at your distortion of the facts and when that doesn’t work you start calling people names, trying to get everyone off subject. Your doing a good job of it! All I can say is Never forget Benghazi and the Seal 6 team murders! Stop the corrupted keepers of our constitution and may the axe fall across the neck of those that work to counter the freedoms our Constitution and Bill of Rights provide for! Other than that, Have a nice day!

  • SpenceDowns

    Sounds like a dictatorship to me.  The rights of the States are being systematically destroyed.  Is it not true that the States have the constitutional right to make their laws “more strict” than Federal Law, but cannot make them “less strict?”  Unfortunately the people have been dumbed down sufficiently that they either don’t care or don’t know what the truth is!  Ignorance is the ally of political correctness and the result is apathy.  The ultimate result is collapse of the nation!  The walls are crumbling as we dither!

    • Moparman12

      SpenceDowns You got that right we sinking into the western sky fast.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      SpenceDowns Very good point.  That has been the case prior to this liberal confused shell of a court we now have.

  • Redmongo1

    Arizona should tell the SCOTUS, “Our state, Our rules” period.

  • cajunliberty7

    Follow Texas on allowing teachers and other state employees to say “Merry Christmas.”  Follow Texas in requirring proof of citizenship to receive a driver’s license.  A form of ID is required to vote.  Texas has a growing economy.  Many states are having a very difficult time in meeting a budget, or balancing a budget.  It seems as if other states need to be taking the example of Texas on more than just requirements for a driver’s license. 
    Lead the way, Texas!  We will try to get our legislators and governors to follow, lead the way!

    • BobE

      cajunliberty7
      Follow Texas??  .
      Many ID-less Texans live 100 miles from a DPS station, and it’s hard to get there when you don’t have a car. It’s harder for many senior citizens and people working two jobs. Yet the elderly, the poor and the disabled are most likely to be affected by the new law. Why make things harder for the people who already have it the hardest?
      Supporters point out that they have to show a photo ID to buy alcohol, drive a car or board a plane. That may be true, but the Constitution doesn’t guarantee your right to do those things. But five of the 27 amendments guarantee our “right to vote.” Texas’ voter ID law could disenfranchise citizens who have voted for decades.
      Are there benefits to weigh against this cost? We hear “voter fraud,” but where is the evidence?  Dubya spent half a decade looking for fraud and found a rate of about 0.00002 percent. Texas Attorney General put out a press release , “Let’s Stamp Out Voter Fraud in Texas” but couldn’t name a single case of fraud that would have been stopped by voter ID. That’s because people don’t go to the polls as someone else.
      Voter ID laws fail any cost-benefit analysis. They will have no positive effect because it is a solution in search of a problem. But they will disenfranchise millions of Americans, hundreds of thousands of Texans  That runs against everything this country stands for.

      • kmilliorn

        BobE–2 questions: 1) How do you know that there are really “hundreds of thousands of ID-less Texans”? This might have been true when most people were born at home & had no birth certificates, but nowadays? Canada has successfully made use of mobile ID stations/vans–so this problem is not insoluble.
        2) Have you considered that voter fraud may be impossible to identify, particularly in those states that issue drivers’ licenses to illegals AND use bilingual registration & ballots (or mail-in registration). There is NO way to track fraud in these circumstances–& seven states now issue licenses to illegals (the NM license is identical for citizens & non-citizens). Combine the above with the agenda of activist immigrants’ rights groups & you have a recipe for fraud by people who are being taught a sense of entitlement (& that starts with our government’s stocking pamphlets on food stamps in Mexico).

        • Don39

          kmilliorn Bob does not know dip! He just parrots what they want him to say and what he has been indoctrinated to say. This is often scurulous, and always thoughtless and dumb!

        • BobE

          kmilliorn You know, I might even agree with you if there was ANY evidence of in person voter fraud that was above 0.003% of the vote! Now, if you can provide evidence please do so

        • kmilliorn

          Here in NM, I have never been asked for any ID except my driver’s license when voting in perso, & since my license & those issued to illegal immigrants are identical, it is impossible to determine which voters are legal & which are fraudulent. To attempt further screening would bring down the wrath of the ACLU or MALDF or some similar immigrants’ rights groups.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          kmilliorn Then you need to get the State Legislature to change the way New Mexico issues drivers licenses. The last time I got mine in Florida I had to prove citizenship before I could get a renewal.

      • downenray

        BobE — Some might believe what BobE writes. I don’t. I’m convinced that showing proof of citizenship is not difficult but instead can easily be done by citizens. Aliens who have become citizens have proof that they did so and are not apt to lose it. We think voting is important. We feel that those who are not qualified to vote should not be allowed to vote. BobE wants it to be easy to vote illegally.

        • BobE

          downenray BobE NO! Voting is one of are most BASIC rights.  I cannot help that you don’t believe in facts but the facts are that these voter ID laws do keep millions of people from voting which is why the supreme court struck it down

        • downenray

          BobE — Voter I.D. laws are essential to honest voting results. Many of the votes counted by Obama were duplicate voting by folks who pretend they didn’t know this was illegal. Many more were simple thefts of the name of one who had chosen to not vote. It is harder to cheat when I.D. is required, which is why dishonest politicians favor no I.D. needed for voters. — Ray Downen.

        • BobE

          downenray BobE  So, show me the evidence of voter fraud. If voter fraud is a problem that doesn’t exist (which it is). Can we all agree that disenfranchising millions of poor & disproportionally black & Hispanic voters (that are the very least likely people to vote for the GOP ) when taking into consideration the GOP is in a demographic death spiral that the motives of red states to enact these laws could possibly be something other than noble?

    • BobE

      cajunliberty7 Follow Texas???? HAHAHA
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSIXMp-WoI

  • Moparman12

    I know you will think this B.S. but I had retired federal set before the election in July & tell me how the voting would go & most everything Obama has done.. He said this was a plan that been ongoing for yrs.He told me how to hide myself & go as to speak underground & showed me & a buddy what to write & ever wrote out the letters for us. He didn’t want to go along with what’s happening & resigned & never stays more thn 2 weeks i 1 place.

    • BobE

      Moparman12 I don’t accept “hearsay” as fact. It may be true & it may not everyone has axes to grind but if it’s true then it’s not that difficult to prove. Dubya did a 5 year investigation & came up with ZIP! News 21 did a massive investigation & came up with 1 fraud vote for every 15 million cast. There is NO evidence of in person voter id fraud being an issue whatsoever! Ironically where voter fraud actually does exist in much larger numbers than in person voter is absentee voting & although the numbers are still not large by any means the GOP gets a larger % of absentee votes so of course they are not concern with those

      • Moparman12

        BobE Moparman12 I don’t really care the election is over & no use beating a dead horse. We cat’t change a thing it is what it is. May 2009 The US supreme Court refused to hear the landmark case brought by San Deigo Co. effectively negating any clain that federal law supersedes state law.

  • Marine Patriot

    MY FELLOW AMERICANS: ALL OF OUR 50 STATES SHOULD TELL OBAMA’S COURT AND OSAMA HIMSELF TO TAKE A FLYING FXXK AT THE MOON. This is supposed to be the United States of America “NOT” the Socialist States of Obama.!!!!!   WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA,HELL HE ISN’T EVEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN YET WE ALLOW HIM TO TELL US WHAT TO DO.??????     W H Y ????

    • BobE

      Marine Patriot GREAT IDEA! It’s not as if Obama didn’t just win an election in a LANDSLIDE!

      • Don39

        BobE Marine Patriot The ‘land slide ‘ lie again!

        • BobE

          Don39 BobE Marine Patriot 63% of the electoral college vote is no lie

      • 1LTLos

        BobE Marine Patriot Landslide voter Corruption but not a landslide due to his competence

      • downenray

        BobE — Won in a “landslide”? No, he won by counting dead people voting and machines which caused a vote against Obama to be counted as two for him. And he won by lying about Romney and causing folks to suppose he was something he wasn’t. Slick politics. Or should we say “sick”? — Ray Downen.

        • BobE

          downenray BobE  You morons are LONG on rhetoric but SHORT on facts!

    • bmg28

      I have wondered that myself but could never find anyone who felt the same way. Finally thank you Marine Patriot

    • sunshkid

      Marine Patriot Remember that Obama has seven additional states, according to his own words.

      • sswulff

        sunshkid Marine Patriot  
        He can STILL kiss my ass ……

        • sunshkid

          sswulff
          Oooo, pucker power!  Problem is, he’d probably love it.  Me, I’d just pass gas.  Before he made contact, of course, and would not expose myself for obvious reasons!

  • tins6

    Seems like the liberals want a king so bad just like Israel did back when before they’ve met their downfall.
    How do you say, “Oy vey” in English?

  • ladyhuckleberry

    Just see that the Fearless One runnin this Country has the balls to be on a one way trip to Siberia with the rest of his cronies and his family and we won’t have much to worry bout after they’re gone.

  • MildredFischer

    Everyone should be required to present their real birth certificate (not a reduced laminated copy) when registering to vote. I don’t trust our lying elected officials so why accept that someone registering to vote without proof of citizenship is not swearing to a lie. Without proof of citizenship anyone can vote. No one will be investigated to determine citizenship so there will be no prosecution.

    • Don39

      MildredFischer As I have said many times before most states require Picture positive ID and Birth Certification to even issue a Driver’s License, Why not for voter registration? There is of course no reasonable reason why not! It is just part of the scam of sociocommunism  to include the so called Supreme Court!

  • rosie46

    The feds are relying on the “honor system” to people who have entered our country illegally, are working illegally, and using our system.  Who would not trust them to abide by the “honor system”?  If the registrant is legal, there should be no problem in presenting proof.

    • Moparman12

      rosie46 do you trust someone who just broke into you home?

    • Don39

      rosie46 And ILLEGALS would never do anything ILLEGAL!

      • rosie46

        Don39 rosie46 Of course not, they just want to come here and work — even if that work is running drugs or being in gangs.  If they are really concerned, get in line and do it right.

  • Don39

    This may well be listed in history as the final blow to the Constitutional Republic , the end of course of any pretense of ‘states rights’ , and the final blow to freedom in America. I warn you this is Dangerous with a capital D, and the point of no return may be here now! Ask Boehner and McConnell about this , that is a laugh, those two so-called leader RINOs sold out long ago! To bad the phony SCOTUS is not interested in preserving the citizens rights and finding a way to force the fraud presidents to obey the Constitution and the law, we then would not have an illegal invader problem and therefore not the worry of their fraudulent votes!

  • Moparman12

    I was going to try & get along with BOB but he so far out there I think the best thing we can do is totally ignore him don';t comment on aything he says consider the source & act like he doesn’t exist I made my last comment to him. It is litterly imossible to help him. he is on here just to argue & aggitate. We need to boycott his views & comments. He is so miserable with his life ,he trys making use mad & aggervated.I refuse to even read anything he writes because it’s garbage!!!!!!

    • Don39

      Moparman12 Now you are catching on. Only reply to the troll when you can use his words to instruct others. Usually his comments lack enough substance to even be able to do that.I only tell people when he is lying which is frequent.

    • BobE

      Moparman12 I’m far out there? A conservative supreme court ruled on this issue 7-2. You people keep talking about how serious voter fraud is yet not one of you can find ANY evidence to support it & worst yet, the evidence from GOP secretary of states that have investigated this issue & can have documented the votes came up with a ZIP! LESS than 0.003% of the votes fraudulent yet you reject evidence because it doesn’t fit in with your narrative. Now, I would ask you, how do you reason with people that don’t understand reason? What facts can you present to people that don’t accept facts? If you people truly believe that voter fraud is rampant then put up or shut up

      • Moparman12

        BobE Moparman12 I don’t know if it is., but I know what a retired federal judge told me in July before the election & he has been dead on on everything he said so far. He resigned because he said the law was so crupt he refused to issue blank search warrents. He said the constution states the law has to put in the search warrent they are looking for & he would not give them a search warrent to ramsack a person’s home looking for anything to arrest them on. He said a search warrent has to state what they are looking for. he had been in the JAG office before he became a federal Judge & has 4 PHD’s

      • paleophlatus

        Bob, go up to my post and check out the link I gave, might help ?

      • Roystoll2

        We prove it every single day.  Four Democrat officials were convicted of voter fraud and were sentenced yesterday but the sentances were too light.  You just read the mainstream butt-wipe news so you only see what Obama allows them to say or print.  There was massive voter fraud in all of the swing states but liberals can figure out the math when they have a 100% vote for Obama in 28 precints.  Even Hugo Chavez never got that.  It is statistically impossible.  Also how do you explain more votes for Obama in many states than there are registered voters?????

        • BobE

          Roystoll2
          WRONG AGAIN! There is ZERO proof of ANT “in person” voter fraud above 0.003% of the vote.
          There is a common thread: a total lack of evidence that any fraud occurred.
          Let’s start in Cleveland, where bloggers have been writing about more than 100
          precincts where Obama won at least 99 percent of the vote and 16 precincts where
          Mitt Romney won no votes at all. “How in the world did this happen?” asked an anonymous author at YoloHub. “Third world dictators
          don’t even get 99 percent of the vote.”
          But black Democrats do, sometimes, get 99 percent or more of the vote in
          black precincts. In 2008, Obama actually pitched a shutout in 18 Cuyahoga County precincts. And you
          would expect him to. In 2008 Obama won 97 percent of the black vote in Ohio. In 2012,
          it was 96 percent. In Pennsylvania this year, he won 93 percent of the black vote and 80 percent of the Hispanic
          vote. This was why Obama could clean up in precincts that are almost entirely
          black or Hispanic.
          There are places where Obama won less than 10 percent of the vote. In King
          County, Texas, he won exactly five votes to Romney’s 135. But nowhere was
          Obama’s loss among white voters as stark as Romney’s loss among urban
          blacks.

        • downenray

          Roystoll2 — It’s in the states needed for the electoral college that the fraud is most apparent and so difficult for Obamaites to admit. — Ray Downen.

        • downenray

          BobE — Your statistics are interesting and may sometimes even be correct and true. Any precinct where the vote count is above 80% is a precinct where fraud affected the count. And most voters don’t choose to tell poll counters for whom they voted. So why should we believe these figures you furnish?

        • Roystoll2

          If you do not believe there was voter fraud you are nuts and gullible to boot.  Only a liberal would say that 98% of a vote for one candidate is possible like in the entire city of Philadelphia.  So there are no successful business men in Philadelphia and no white people or some blacks that don’t like Obama or unemployed people that would not vote for Obama?  There are people in Cuyoga County that have been indicted or have been convicted for voter fraud right now.  Open your eyes!

        • sswulff

          Roystoll2 Exactly…… B-O’s bag of crap is getting quite a bit lighter these days.

        • elnegron77

          BobE Roystoll2 
          BobE you live in a fantasy land, which is normal for children. The good news, Jesus Loves You BobE………….

        • BobE

          Roystoll2 Post a link of who & where these voter fraud people are convicted. Obama did NOT get 98% in the ENTIRE city of Philly dipshit, he got that percentage in some small ALL BLACK districts in the city! Obama got 93% of the black across the nation!

        • BobE

          elnegron77 BobE Roystoll2 You
          believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks
          turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and
          all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say I live in a “fantasy land”?

        • elnegron77

          BobE elnegron77 Roystoll2 
          OK, maybe it’s all the drugs, which is still a fantasy land. But Jesus still Loves You BobE

        • Roystoll2

          If you are talking about the Bible.  Can you prove any of it wrong?  It is all how you interpret it.  I am not here to defend Christianity or Judiasm or parts of the Bible.  I will tell you though that the story of the Red Sea parting for Jesus when he and the Israeli’s were escaping the Pharohs may just be true as they have found the floor of the Red Sea at that point littered with the Pharoh’s Chariots and weapons and are getting ready to investigate it.  It sure makes you wonder dies it not?

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE Roystoll2 Guess we know who the REAL RACISTS are then don’t we.

      • downenray

        BobE — One thing I’m sure of and that is that we don’t need to try to prove anything to BobE. Your comments have made clear that you won’t believe anything contrary to your opinions. — Ray Downen

        • BobE

          downenray BobE I will believe facts but as of yet not a single one of you people has posted a link that proves your position

  • Moparman12

    May 2009 The US supreme Court refused to hear the landmark case brought by San Deigo Co. effectively negating any clain that federal law supersedes state law.

  • nhpollack

    DD-214, not DD-14.

  • BarbaraJohnson

    Simple solution: Arizona needs to use the State issued ballots, instead of the Federal issued ones. Using the State issued ones, they can do what they are looking to do. But, if they use the Federal issued ones, then they cannot change the Federal law that’s attached to them.

    • paleophlatus

      I believe it is state, vs federal voter registration forms, not ballots.

  • FrancesCampbell

    that is the modus operandi of a marxist takeover–overwhelm with lawsuits.  i feel for gov. brewer as her state is on the front lines of the financial war mexico has declared on the usa.. the importation of their poverty, criminals, illegal drugs,horrible diseases and illiteracy. now marco rubio  the boy wonder from cuban parents wants legality for the illegal aliens before sealing the borders.   the senate will never  vote to seal the borders and  we continue with  the mexican invasion of the usa..  too bad the 47% of parasites will take this country down  with their demands for ever more freebies and their votes for the communist party usa.

    • downenray

      FrancesCampbell — The reason we need voter I.D. laws is to prevent votes by non-citizens. And NO votes for those who are signed up by federals on statements which may or may not be true. — Ray Downen.

  • JBEACH

    Perhaps the court should be asked how it defines the “consent of the governed” and to whom that specifically applies.  How many of the justices appointed to the Supreme Court were confirmed by the Hague before they were allowed to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court?  Ceding the validity of the “consent of the governed” to the world disorder (very new, needless to say) because it is easier to roll over and have one’s belly scratched than to use one’s well-honed teeth (from sucking and feeding at the public trough for years) to defend the country from the onslaught of disaffectioned, foreign immigrants whose goal is the dismantling of the historical heritage and laws that were responsible for the success of the greatest country on the face of the earth, is a disgrace, dishonoring and forsaking of the sacrifices which others have been compelled to make because of the policies of submission to the new world order through wars of attrition primarily fought by the young people of the U.S. for whom there may have been few choices other than military service.   The country’s leadership has, for years, refused to maintain policies which would have sustained the manufacturing capability of the American people to produce all their own food, clothing, housing materials, fuel and energy sources, tools, amusement and medical personnel and equipment, its agricultural base–subsistence, family farms, and the benefits of a full-service economy (which is a mere relic of what it used to be in the 1970s prior to the OPEC disaster of 1973), to say nothing of maintaining the moral and ethical substance of the nation by continuing the policies of open and free exercise of the religious practices in public forums, in public schools at public, patriotic events and standing up for something other than the right of some Hollywood producer to make movies that are laced from start to finish with F-bombs, a long-championed cause celebre in the exercise of free speech.   Such is the level of intellectual prowess from whence flow the funds to keep liberals in office.   The moronic environmentalists control many of the politicians, by virtue (or the lack of it) of political funding to them and have been able to thwart the efforts of business to create jobs with energy source and fuel delivery-related programs.  Outright deceit has become the tactic of control, just as disinformation has been a tactic of deceit.  It should be of no great comfort for liberals to realize that the power they have and hold has been attained and maintained by such tactics.   The size of our unpayable, national debt is one indication of the bankruptcy that affects the nation and which is merely one symptom of the greater moral and ethical wasteland that is the source of the ills that grip us as a nation.  The reason the country is not succeeding is that we have elected people who don’t know how it is supposed to work.  They merely think they do or they really don’t give a damn!  The problems are too great for them to solve so they are just “along for the ride.”  If everyone abdicates their moral and ethical responsibility, such as the SCOTUS has done by this decision, civil war will be the result.  The country can not endure if people refuse to take a stand for what is right according to the laws which proscribe what is wrong, from issues of personal morality all the way to government ethics.  If it is no big deal, just get it done.

  • paleophlatus

    If we haven’t learned it yet, we should do it soon…Supreme Court rulings are couched in terms and specificity that reads “differently” than ordinary English. According to an analysis by the Heritage Foundation, Arizona came out quite well…if they realize it, as well as do all states.
    It is written in the constitution, but just not in so many words, Article IV, sects 2 and 4, that all states have the right to establish voter qualifications in their state, as long as they don’t conflict with restrictions in the constitution, like the 15, 19, 24, and 25th amendments.
    Read their analysis and say a little apology, under your breath if desired, to those you maligned erroneously regarding this ruling. I already have, and also vowed to be a little less hasty to jump to my own conclusions. Sorry about the link…it didn’t look that bad when I copied it.
    http://links.heritage.org/ct/13253429:15993267552:m:1:280751967:DB439A2E48C02F6FCB94C2352FF7095A:r

    • paleophlatus

      Oops ! Make that Article II, sects 2 and 4′ NOT Art. IV
      Article IV shows one problem with applying states rights to ‘gay marriage’ laws…. No state can deny recognizing the public acts, records, and judicial rulings of another state…”Full Faith and Credit” clause.

      • downenray

        paleophlatus — How good it would be if it were possible to correct an error we don’t catch prior to submitting a note. I understand why it might not be possible, but on other sites editing is possible for a time after a note is published. — Ray Downen.

    • downenray

      paleophlatus — I read the linked-to article and also a comment about it, which I quote: 
      https://www.facebook.com/morris.devereaux· http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/18/morning-bell-3-things-you-should-know-about-the-supreme-court-and-voter-id/?roi=echo3-15993267552-13253429-1d60c013d166e11120a7c6769d9a8730&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell#IDComment663570753I'm disappointed that the Heritage Foundation would attempt to minimize the impact of this decision. Nobody disputes that applicants are required to use the “Motor Voter” form to establish their citizenship. What’s being disputed is whether that form actually requires that citizenship be established. It requires only signing an oath, committing perjury if one is not a citizen. By definition, we’re trying to prevent people who have ALREADY broken our laws by coming here illegally from registering to vote. If they don’t respect our laws regarding entry into the country, how can anyone imagine they’d respect our perjury laws? This report by the Heritage Foundation completely ignores this aspect of the argument and is therefore nothing more than complacent fluff.” — Ray Downen, feeling that the state should not be required to verify each voter as being a citizen. The burden of proving it should be on us as we cast our vote.

  • cajunliberty7

    If I was Governor Jan Brewer, I would be on the telephone with Gov. Rick Perry of Texas pronto! I would then send a task force or representatives from the legislature to Texas to bring back their recommendations on how to proceed legally to establish a lverified requirement to obtain a state issued driver’s license, which then would translate to voter verification. Apparently, Texas started with the driver’s licence and required a valid birth certificate to receive that. Other forms of legimate ID may also be acceptable but the standard is high. Illegal invaders cannot obtain driver’s licenses easily in the state of Texas. When the officials in Texass look at a person’s birth certificate to determine their age requirement, they can also see where the person was born. If not born in the U.S., are they a naturalized citizen, if that is the case, they will need to provide those documents.
    Then Texas requires a legal ID to vote (as does Louisiana). This means that Texsas approached the matter legally by making the requirement on the area they were in control over–state driver’s licenses. They left alone the federal issue of motor voter. Texas law is constitutional. Arizona tried to add things to the motor voter law and it was deemed unconstitutional. Arrzona needs to redo their law to be similar to the Texas law and it will all pass the consititutional muster.

    • 1LTLos

      cajunliberty7 Write her and tell her this !!!!  your talking to the choir my friend!

      • cajunliberty7

        1LTLos 
        I am going to telephone first.  I hope it is not similar to when I telephoned John McCain.  His staff member asked me–“Are you from Arizona?  Are you one of his constituents?”  I answered, “I am an American taxpayer!”  If the Governor and State Legislature would have stuck to regulating or changing something the state has authority over (state issued driver’s licesnes), rather than an anrea of elections which the fed has authority over, epecially in federal elections, they would have a law today as Texas has and likely able to keep it.

        • 1LTLos

          cajunliberty7 1LTLos Sounds like you have some good suggestions for Jan Brewer and lots of elected officials use that “zip code and my constituency” line to keep from having to answer to too many requests — What ever your strategy is I wish you the best of luck because all of our states have to get out from under this Obscumbo and the corrupt courts.  Go for it!
          ‘Los

        • MildredFischer

          1LTLos cajunliberty7
          http://www.livefyre.com/profile/8334676/
          http://www.livefyre.com/profile/10403371/
          – Hey Cajun – doesn’t that really tighten your jibs when the staff of members
          of Congress ask those stupid questions? It’s like, well, if you are not from
          Arizona (or whatever state) we don’t represent you so call the Sanator from
          your state of resident. I don’t know what it is about United States Senator or
          United States Congressman/woman that they don’t understand. That designation
          means that a Congressman or Senator represents the people of the entire United
          States, (cont’d)

        • MildredFischer

          1LTLos cajunliberty7
           (Continued comment – see comment beginning Frankly, I haven’t ( below)
          not just the citizens of the State that elected them.
          It seems that they don’t know that the states have their own Senators and Reps
          and they are refered to as the States Senator such as Virginia Senator or
          Virginia Delegate, or Georgia Senator, or Georgia Rep. Maybe that is the
          problem with the United States Congress; they don’t know when they are sent to
          Washington to serve in the United States Congress they are suppose to represent
          all of the people in all 50 states.

        • cajunliberty7

          MildredFischer 
          Both Senator John McCain’s staff said that and also Senator Lindsay Graham’s staff said almost the same thing.  The intent was exactly as you stated…if you were not from their state–their “constituent”–then they did not even allow you to leave a message or in any way communicate with their majesties, the High and Mighty Senators McCain and Graham.

        • 1LTLos

          cajunliberty7 MildredFischer  In spite of what we have been led to believe about “hero” McStain, we have a saying back in my home state of Texas that goes: “Guys like this McCain and Graham just didnt get their asses kicked enough when they were younger”
          I wrote to Governor Brewer just fine — I am sure that you can communicate with her.  Shes an American!
          Go for it!
          Los

        • cajunliberty7

          1LTLos cajunliberty7 MildredFischer 
          Thanks.  I did exactly that.  Finished the letter just about an hour ago.  Will post it tomorrow morning.  I sure hope she and the legislature in Arizona do not become discouraged, but get a new bill that will pass the muster of the Motor Voter fed law and still get documentation for state drivers licenses and then apply that toward Motor Voter as is deemed passable.

        • MildredFischer

          1LTLos cajunliberty7 MildredFischer   Will do.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          MildredFischer 1LTLos cajunliberty7 Sorry Mildred. They are to represent the people of the States that they come from.  Until some idiots amended the Constitution with the 17th Amendment modifying Article 1, Section 3, Senators were “elected” by their states legislature.  That was so they WOULD represent the States interests.  If they didn’t they didn’t last long.  
          Now they are elected by the illegal voters living in that state, by people who only pay attention once ever four years for a bout a week, and our now massive uninformed electorate.
          Every time someone screws with the Constitution, they screw up what was a much better document at the time of its conception and writing. The Constitution was written by highly intelligent men who had studied World History and all the various forms of government that had been tried and failed up to that time.  And it worked really well for about the first 125 years.  Then we got the “progressives” screwing with it.  The worst from 1909.  Every Amendment since then has taken us closer to the abyss. Our children will be alive after Americas demise. Most of it is already gone.

      • MildredFischer

        1LTLos cajunliberty7 – Frankly, I haven’t been able to figure out what the damn Supreme Court ruled, and if they said what I think they said they are full of BS and means that anyone, regardless of citizenship can register to vote as long as they just claim to be a citizen.  Without proof, how will the registrar know those registering are citizens, are trustworthy and would not claim citizenship if they were not citizens.  No one is going to investigate so that rules out prosecution if they are lying.  I think everyone in the United States should prove citizenship by providing a birth certificate–the original, not a laminated wallet size document.

        • 1LTLos

          MildredFischer 1LTLos cajunliberty7  Mildred what the Supreme Court ruled was that the Voter Positive Identification Law as written by the State of Arizona (Jan Brewer Governor) was unConstitutional — YOu are correct BS!!!  I am in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia and in the last election was straightforward about showing my Califorina Drivers License – The  Voter Registrar said to me “We dont require that you show ID”  I responded, with all the illegals in California, WE MOST CERTAINLY MUST BEGIN TO DO SO MA’M.”  I heard a number of you said it’s and yeah’s in the background —  YOu have a good head on your shoulders and if I may suggest that if you do not already have talks like this with your neighbors to help bring them up to speed knowledge wise and to get them good and angry!  You’ll be doing a great service!!!  Stay at it!!
          Los

        • MildredFischer

          1LTLos MildredFischer cajunliberty7 I talk to people all the time about the current situation and have done so since Bill Clinton was president.  Should have started long before that.  You would be surprised at how many people still way “we don’t discuss politics.”  My reply to them is if you don’t discuss the subject then you don’t have a good grasp and should not vote.  Just recently though, many of them are beginning to see the light.  I just hope they have not done so too late.  I staying and you do too.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          MildredFischer 1LTLos cajunliberty7 Mildred, you did figure out what they said perfectly.  Anybody can register to vote if they are willing to lie about citizenship. They cross the border illegally, why wouldn’t they be willing to lie? 
          But, they can’t vote, if the board of elections can catch them.  Very unlikely since they are on the voter registration lists. This Court makes a mockery of our Constitution!

  • ronifer

    Once again: You Can’t Fix STUPID !

    • cajunliberty7

      ronifer 
      A great quote from Silas Robertson, one of the bearded ones, on Duck Dynasty!

    • Moparman12

      ronifer AMEN BoB it proof of that a walking 0!

  • vonrowley

    Read Justice Thomas dissenting Opinion. 
    Sen. Cruz has new legislation to fix this Unconstitutional Decision.
    Rush Limbaugh website has info on 10th amendment, States election rights superseding the Fed Gov.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      vonrowley This court has not yet reached the 10th Amendment.  Even though the Constitution and its Amendments are only 18 pages long, it seems this collection of “judicial scholars” are so far out of touch with their functions, even the 18 pages are too hard for them to handle.  I don’t believe there has been a more intellectually deficient court in the history of our country. And yes, the 10th Amendment does fly in the face of this decision as does Article 1 Section 4 of the main body of the Constitution state that the States will determine the rules and places for voting and the only control the Feds have over that is setting the day for the elections of president, in which all states must make that vote on the same day.
      I know this, and I didn’t even go to the Supreme Court initiation ceremonies!

  • ellis_alan69

    All the conservative states need to get together if they want to fight against the federal government.  The representatives in Washington DC are out of touch with reality.  They are in a separate world.  The federal government has their closed door operations, so the states need one amongst themselves, that the feds don’t know anything about or at least excluded.  If enough Governors get together, they can change how things run in this country.

    • downenray

      ellis_alan69 — Several states are led by Democrat politicians. Will they be apt to oppose the leader of their party? The governors of states which are dissatisfied with Obamacare are the ones who should get together and plan what can be done to depose the emperor who turns out to be a Muslim. — Ray Downen.

      • BobE

        downenray  Another one bites the dust and largely thanks to a governor who, once upon a time, was an outspoken opponent of ObamaCare Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer muscled her way to victory in her crusade for Medicaid expansion Thursday, outmaneuvering conservative opposition to push through a key piece of President Barack Obama’s agenda.

    • BobE

      ellis_alan69
      It true that the red states & blue states live in two separate worlds of reality. The blue states live in a world in which logic, reason, facts & science are relevant. The red states on the other hand live in a world in that when faith collides with truth they either deny, ignore or lie about it. They reject science, reason, logic, truth & facts

      • Moparman12

        BobE ellis_alan69 I like to see come to my red state & meet eye ball to eye ball. You are a walking 0

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE ellis_alan69 Well, I’ll be in Austin for the F1 Grand Prix in November & may go to New Orleans for Halloween other then those two events & the Kentucky Derby what possible reason is there to go to a red state? They don’t call them “fly over” states for nothing!

  • Always a Marine

    There is no branch of gov’t that is focused on protecting and defending the Constitution.  Another way to say that is to say no branch of gov’t cares about protecting and ensuring our individual God-given rights.  In fact, under this administration, they are waging a war to subvert the Constitution and our liberty. 
    How do you spell TYRANNY = D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t  P-a-r-t-y.

    • Troubleshooter

      Always a Marine As a Veteran, I too have watched with a Veteran’s interest in what has been happening to our country over the time that has elapsed since the Legislative ClusterHump in Vietnam.  I have concluded, reluctantly, that in terms of the Effect suffered by the Citizens of Our Nation, THERE IS NO MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTIES.  WE THE PEOPLE GET SCREWED no matter who is in power.  The Fundamental Change that we Need In This Country Is to completely rid ourselves of every sonofabitch who wants to continue to operate under the banner of either party.  We need to completely eliminate the Party System, and VOTE ONLY ON THE CANDIDATE AND THE ISSUE.  The Candidate Must Be Approved as a Candidate by Popular Vote of The Community that The Candidate Comes From, Not put forward by some well-funded special interest group.  This may seem to be a cumbersome process at first, but if rigidly enforced as a process, the difference it will make at the National Level would be well worthy the growing pains.  Obviously, what we have now does not work.  All we get at best, is a bunch of lying, thieving, self-interested sellout sonsofbitches that need to be locked up, after a good ass-whippin’.  I concede that there are a “FEW” good ones, but the majority are crap and need to be used as slave labor on subsistence rations, with concrete slabs for beds,  as restitution for all of the damage they have done.  By the way, thanks for your service, and I mean OOOrah.

      • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

        Troubleshooter Always a Marine Amen to that, brother !

      • downenray

        Troubleshooter — Nonsense is nonsense, however carefully worded. — Ray Downen, a proud Republican patriot.

        • Troubleshooter

          downenray Troubleshooter Stupidity is Stupidity, and shills are shills, no matter what bullcrap lie they try to pass off as truth. Flippity floppity lane changes are easily noticeable for somebody with a good memory.  Those who forget the history of shills are doomed to pay further attention to it.  Sayonara shill.

      • MildredFischer

        Troubleshooter Always a Marine – “The Candidate Must Be Approved as a Candidate by Popular Vote of The Community that The Candidate Comes From”  Are you kidding me?   We would get Al Sharpton or Chuck Shumer in New York, Nancy Pelosi in California, Harry Reid in Nevada, John McCain in Arizona, Lindsey Graham in South Carolina, John Conyers in Illinois, Jim Moran, Mark Warner, or Tim Kaine in Virginia, etc.  What needs to be done is find out a way to stop the members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, etal from selecting the party candidates.  All are globalists and globalism will not work with the United States Constittution and that is why they continue to chip away at the Bill of Rights–trying to destroy them one by one or two by two.

        • Troubleshooter

          MildredFischer Troubleshooter Always a Marine Mildred, You, and people who think like you are part of the problem.  Our External Threats are the result of Internal Bullcrap.  When candidates are selected by popular vote by the community at large, and no special interest groups are allowed to fund any campaigns, you will NOT see the Sharpton’s and Schumers and McCains and Toomeys.  You underestimate the people.  We are fed up.  We will act.  Either Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way.

        • sswulff

          Troubleshooter MildredFischer Always a Marine  
          You are absolutely correct !  I like your attitude in breaking down reality into basics, and if looks like a pile of cow dung, then there you have it ….

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Always a Marine What do you mean there is no branch of gov’t protecting and defending the Constitution? I don’t know which Marine Corp you served it, but I know my grandfather, father, myself, and my son all took oaths in OUR branches of service to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.  The attack on our Constitution today is domestic.  And the Admirals and Generals of the Pentagon are sitting on their hands with their thumbs up their a-holes doing absolutely nothing other than encouraging violating the oaths that each and every military person swears to.

      • Always a Marine

        GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine Well, I said branches of gov’t:  Legislative, Executive and Judicial.
        Progressive democrats and Dear Leader have thrown out the Declaration and declared the Constitution flawed and outdated, so their oath was a mockery.  Other than a few, if you think the majority in gov’t take their oath seriously, I have some beach front in Arizona I’d like to talk to you about.
        As far as I know there has only been one Marine Corps who have all taken their oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and other than a few 10%ers like Murtha and Rev. Jeremiah – that oath will be upheld throughout their life.  Semper Fi, till I die!

        • 1LTLos

          Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan No where in either document is it stated that the opinions of those who have no respect for the content within the founding documents matter to the degree that their opinions carry more weight than the founding documents themselves.  Obscumbo stated himself: “That document doesnt tell you what you can do – it tells you what you cant do!” and left it at that. Obviously the content is not outdated due to the fact that Obscumbo is troubled by the enumerated limitations placed upon him.  Other than ignore the Constitution, he cannot get around it.  That does not make the Constitution void or flawed.  On the contrary, I cannot think of any more clearer premise than: “When in the course of human events….”  That clause alone makes this document as viable today as when written.  Our oaths do not come with an affixed expiration date either did it?
          OOOORAHHAA!
          1LT Los

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan I stand corrected. Not thinking. I skipped right over the word “branches” or else read it as branches of the armed forces.  But it is the responsibility of the armed forces to protect and defend the Constitution, and like all of government, they are not doing their jobs.
          I wonder if we might be neighbors. I too have waterfront property in Arizona. Semper Fi.

        • Always a Marine

          GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine 
          Thanks Grumps – maybe we could team up and sell that property together.
          Semper Fi

      • Troubleshooter

        GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine @GrumpyOldMan: I took Always a Marine’s comment literally:  Of The Three Constitutional Branches Of The United States Government, Legislative, Executive, and Judicial, NONE of THEM are protecting and defending the Constitution.

        • Always a Marine

          Troubleshooter GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine 
          One example:  CommieCare – It is straight up socialized medicine, run by the gov’t which has NO Constitutional authority for the program.  The EXECUTIVE cooked up this commie program and signed it into law. 
          The LEGISLATIVE passed it into law via corrupt deals, backroom maneuvers, and the manipulation of the rules of order.  And, to spread the blame to the Repubs – in spite of their multiple votes to end the program – they have yet to defund it, in fact they’ve voted w/ Dear Leader to pass every continuing resolution.
          And finally, what for many people was their last hope, the JUDICIARY took it upon themselves to rewrite the law (Congress’ sole responsibility by way of the Constitution) and declared the unconstitutional law to be constitutional.
          All three branches of the gov’t joined in an assault on the Constituion and subverted our rights and our liberty.  It is tyranny.

        • Troubleshooter

          Always a Marine Troubleshooter GrumpyOldMan With A Capital (and Capitol)  “T”.

    • BobE

      Always a Marine You reject our constitution, the will of the people who elected Obama & the supreme court oversight by a delusion that somehow they have been corrupted. You’re a fascist that believe if things don’t go your way then somehow your will should be forced upon the rest of us

      • Always a Marine

        BobE Always a Marine 
        It’s not a difficult concept, but it seems beyond you.  It’s because the socialists are working to undermine the Constitution.  My oath was to protect and defend it – against all enemies, foreign and domestic. 
        Progressives have aligned themselves against the Constitution – by their own words.  I categorize the Marxists that you support as enemies of liberty (haven’t you been watching the news?).  Support for the progressive dems puts you against the Constitution.

        • Troubleshooter

          Always a MarineBobE@Always a Marine; Anything rational is beyone Bobbie the Shill; he doesn’t think, he justs reads the script.  From past experience, I can assure you that even a syllable sent in his direction is wasted breath.  Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I thought you might find THIS interesting; when it was first reported earlier today, my reaction to it was that it was murder.  This is what is developing.
          http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/hastingsmurdered.html

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE You should spend a few more years in the 6th grade before you throw words around like “socialists” & Marxists” around to learn what the mean

        • sswulff

          Always a Marine BobE  
          Yes sir….  You are one zillion percent correct.   You have these democrats, progressives and RHINO’s parading around like obama, Pelosi, Billary Holder and the rest of the zombie gaggle pretending  that they value our Constitution, when if fact they are the destroyers.  This is where the fight needs to be fought.  Thank you for your refreshing and realistic input of these very serious issues we face today.  Our goal as Americans needs to be to rid Washington of the vermin that’s in place to ruin America…

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine 
          I know the definition of socialist and Marxist:  progressive democrat.
          Why try to hide your beliefs and try to cover Dear Leader’s ideology?  It IS a shame for any American to be an adherent of Marx, Alinsky, et. al, but, in our free land you have the right to come out and admit your legs tingle over the growth of the administrative State.

        • Always a Marine

          sswulff Always a Marine BobE 
          I appreciate your words.  Congrats on that hog!  I’ve shot a few, but nothing that size – Wow!

        • Don39

          Always a Marine You make your first mistake trying to communicate anything to an insane troll, even if it actually exist. As a 70+ yr old , world traveled, advanced education, Constituional scholar, judge, military career, etc. I can attest to the correctness of your sentiments on the progressive (sociocommunist) left and its goals. Stick to your guns Marine. from a former Green Beret.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE  Tell me O wise one… when was the last time the GOP shrunk the government?

      • Don39

        BobE Always a Marine I keep warning you folks that this idiot will twist and lie about anything and everything you say and any  response to him is time you could better spend doing something useful!

        • Moparman12

          Don39 BobE Always a Marine quit talking to BOD he is a nothuing & believes in nothing except spreading his misery around ignore him.

      • Moparman12

        BobE Always a Marine YOU are a nothing that believes nothing. a walking 0

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE Always a Marine I believe in reality!

        • sswulff

          Moparman12 BobE Always a Marine  
          Mr. Moparman…. why don’t you back the hell off.  You’re the reason for the new online moniker called “Trolling”   Cool it.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Moparman12 Always a Marine 
          You’ve explained your beliefs.  Your world and life view is built on the lie.

  • WhatsItMatter

    We pis* off the world by interfering in their sovereign governments, killing the innocence with drones and given weapons to rebels and than wonder why we have terrorism here at home. One begets the other, why the need for DHS, NSA and others is to counter our excuse for counter terrorism. Then they try to make us the terrorists and allow criminals to vote by not having to prove citizenship and if that’s not enough, they want to give all of these criminal border crosser’s a free ticket to citizenship and the right to vote. These poor examples of our so called enforcers of our constitution is a slap in the face of all good American citizens. The same holds true for our congressional officials turning a blind eye to what is taking place or reinforcing it. All they do is play good cop, bad cop as we watch hearing after hearing with no out come for those at fault. We are sheep watching TV to pass the time waiting for the axe to fall. Our so called president runs around the world blowing smoke as he plans a 100 million dollar vacation at the tax payer’s expense. While at the same time our injured servicemen and women wait two years or longer for benefits. While we continue to watch TV hearings with no results, no axe falling on anyone but us, we the people. The Russians are ready for war with us over our supplying of weapons to rebels in Syria. They warned us once already, killing 4 Americans in Benghazi and yet we are still not hearing them speak. We are still not bring those reasonable for the gun running to justice. Now we are facing WWIII and here we sit watching TV as our president speaks to the German people of freedom and the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. WTF!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      WhatsItMatter The goal is to destroy America.  And they are doing a very good job of it.

      • WhatsItMatter

        GrumpyOldMan WhatsItMatter Yes they are, just like the NSA thing. I call it Robin Hood syndrome, look at all the people I helped by robbing those banks, or look at all those terror attacks I stopped by taking your rights away! The gullibility of the standard American Lip’eral is only out done by their own selflessness and will be the down fall of our nation! As I watch Fox talk about 70 million in bonuses to the IRS our congress is supposedly holding hearing on. Will we give them their money, you can bet on it!

    • downenray

      WhatsItMatter — The Benghazi attackers were not Russians. They were Muslims, which is why our Muslim president didn’t want to interfere with the attack. I marvel that this poor nation can afford such expensive travel by the president and his family. — Ray Downen.

      • WhatsItMatter

        downenray WhatsItMatter Your idea is fine, it’s holds the same amount of water as mine does, unless you have proof to back it up. How about Obama and company didn’t want anyone coming back here to talk about it? Than there’s the idea floating around that it was to be a kid napping, so they could exchange Stevens for the Blind priest or whatever he’s is? Anyway it went bad, so they killed Stevens and company. As for his vacations, bonuses to the IRS, trips all over the country to fight for gun control against our constitution, I agree.

  • lorlan4

    I believe that BobE’s welfare check might be reduced if Obama was out and voting could be done properly.

    • BobE

      lorlan4 Thanks for your concern about my welfare but I do just fine without government assistance

      • GrumpyOldMan

        BobE lorlan4 Boobie, are you contradicting your messiah’s words?  EVERYONE has government assistance. We can’t survive without government assistance. He told you that in the speech he made when he said “That business you have, you didn’t build that.”  It’s all in the same statement of how YOU Boobie would cease to exist without your supreme leader.  You’ll be locked up in a gulag if you aren’t careful now.

  • Jackolyn

    Natural Born is native born. It is the only citizenship that comes naturally without the need of a law. Natural (native) Born is born of two citizen parents. Like if you went to an island that had no outside visitors for hundreds of years all inhabitants of the island would be native to the island and natural born citizens of said island. Naturalized and jus solei citizens are both created by law. And dual citizens are not natural born citizens either. Natural citizenship comes naturally without requiring decree of a law. And without dual loyalties. Bot requirements of the constitution to safeguard America’s interest and well being upheld and protect against usurper. Which has now happened with Obama. Who has now supplied weapons and fighter planes and billions of dollars to our enemies the Muslim terrorist. Through their government the Muslim brotherhood. Obama’s loyalties do not lie with America. He gives the terrorist aid to kill us.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Jackolyn Sorry Jackolyn, Natural Born is not the same as Native Born. Natural born means that your parents (that’s plural) are citizens of the country you are born in at the time of your birth.  This is why Rubio, Cruz, Jindal and a few other Republican darlings are not qualified, per the Constitution, to hold the office of the president of the United States.

      • centermass

        GrumpyOldMan Jackolyn Absolutely right on.  I was born in San Diego in 68 and only one of my parents was a US citizen.  My mother had a green card from Canada…therefore not a US citizen.  I am a native born citizen…not natural born.  My children on the other hand are natural born citizens.  Why is this so damn hard for people to understand?

        • Jackolyn

          centermass GrumpyOldMan Jackolyn You are a citizen by jus solei law. You are a citizen. Yes your children are natural born citizens. 
          And if Obama was born in Hawaii Hawaii he would be a jus solid citizen.  And considering he has not yet produced a real BC meaning he likely was not even a jus solei citizen. So not a citizen of any sort. He was never naturalized either. Making even his children not natural citizens. They would be simply jus solei citizens by being born here.

      • Don39

        GrumpyOldMan Jackolyn We have been saying this now for years, actually it is what the Constitution says, some people will just never get it. It is one of those inconvenient truths and there are always those to lazy to do their due diligence and find the truth.

        • Jackolyn

          Don39 GrumpyOldMan Jackolyn Exactly.

      • Jackolyn

        GrumpyOldMan Jackolyn That is what I said. Native born is born of two American citizens as is natural born. And yes Jindal and Rubio are no more qualified than Obama.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Jackolyn GrumpyOldMan No. Native born is anyone who is born on U.S. soil. It is NOT THE SAME AS NATURAL BORN.  Native born can have parents from anywhere.

  • wizard

    It is time for Congress to start exercizing it’s constitutional authority to remove justices from the bench who do not perform on good behavior.  Good behavior would be upholding the costitution and the law but not creating laws of their own or creating their own legislation.

    • Don39

      wizard Then who would protect them? There is no m,ore division of powers and the protection it was designed to afford the citizenry.

    • BobE

      wizard Be carful what you wish for. If that were to happen they would be removed in this order!  Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito

  • David Veselenak

    This is utter madness. The sheeple, that is what most of “US” have become, will have to fend for themselves as our forefathers were required to do against a TYRANNICAL government! Tyranny is running rampant and unless the sheeple get off their asses and millions march on “Moscow West” and put some fear into the Politburo then be prepared to eat sh^t!

  • BarackHussein

    Criminal immigrants are not prosecuted at a federal level for that matter.

  • TERBE39

    The laws seem to change whenever it is convenient for the White House. Our country is being run just like Hitler ran his country. That’s what happens when you vote in a bunch of radical left wingers. I really hope you idiots that put them in office are proud of yourselves now, because you won’t be for long.

  • retro1

    Liberal Fascism from Liberal  Fascists,,

  • JerryBroussard

    With this ruling, what will stop thousands of people from other countries coming here for vacation, register to vote, and then return to vote in our elections determining the outcome of any election? So much for sovereignty.

  • MildredFischer

    Grumpy – Most Americans think natural born is natural child birth, no pain killers, no caserian (sp) delivery, etc.  They don’t think it has to do with country of birth, so to those dumb down nuts, Obama  was naturally born whether in Kenya, Hiwaii  (sp), or other country, and can, therefore,  be president of the United States.  Yep Grumpy, there are people just that stupid and they walk among us and vote.

  • tracia

    Even more proof that the Supreme Court Judges are all up Obama’s a ss.  For God’s sake aren’t they supposed to be doing what is best for the country.. not what is best for our stinking illegal president?

  • tins6

    When evolution replaced the written Word of God in every classrooms, the fear of God was removed
    from the equation.

    RESULTS: Many turned from conservatism to liberalism hating God’s law and the Constitution.
    SOLUTIONS: We need to return back to the written Word of God and fear him again.

    • BobE

      tins6 A
      belief which leaves no place for doubt is not a belief; it is a superstition

      • tins6

        BobE tins6 
        Bet you can’t have your last word.

        • Moparman12

          tins6 BobE WHO CARES

      • Always a Marine

        BobE tins6 
        I have seen you express any doubt in your religion and the “science” of liberalism

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE tins6 I have no religion. and politics isn’t science

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Always a Marine tins6 
          You’re in denial. 
          And you don’t seem to understand the significance of putting the word science in quotes.
          I’ve read your liturgy many, many times which reveals your religion and who you worship.

      • Moparman12

        BobE tins6 That is your opinion. Bob you just want to argue I finally figured you out you would argue with a fence post as long as people are stupid enough to argue with you  your having a ball. I wish everyone would just shuy up and disreguard everything you say. I think this your idea of fun. ou are a man who needs to be pittyed .

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Moparman12 BobE tins6 Boobie is a blow hard. If you were to read all his posts you would see they are contradictory and impossible both.  He likes to be the bur under the saddle and as long as he can get a rise out of you, he’s a happy camper.  He likes to think of himself as a deep thinker when in fact he is a product of a very shallow gene pool. When ignored enough, he does go away.

        • Moparman12

          GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 BobE tins6 you got  to have something to think with.I just read last nighi in Psalms 14::1 a fool says in his heart there is no GOD.

      • sunshkid

        BobE
        And how does your post relate at all to the Supreme Court telling Arizona to ask Obama permssion?
        Focus, man, focus!  You get misled by people of your own ilk and you are a TR0LL?

      • Moparman12

        BobE tins6 .I just read last nighi in Psalms 14::1 a fool says in his heart there is no GOD.

      • NWProgressive

        BobE tins6 
        Bobejaan.  No room for Doubt?  That would make your belief in evolution and global warming superstition not science.  Thanks for proving that Bobejaan is a superstitious fool.

        • BobE

          NWProgressive BobE tins6 Science is not a “belief” dipshit. I
          ACCEPT it because of the enormous pile of data supporting it. Just like I
          accept that gravity follows an inverse square law, matter is composed of atoms,
          germs cause disease, and moving electrons constitute electricity. Scientific
          theories are not a faith. You can test them yourself and falsify them

        • 1LTLos

          BobE NWProgressive tins6  Yes BobE please test and Falsify Gravity by diving off the tallest building and landing on your head based on the premise that you are so intelligent you can fly – or something that will help to rid you from this website

        • sswulff

          1LTLos BobE NWProgressive tins6  
          I like that…. urban cliff diving

        • BobE

          1LTLos BobE NWProgressive tins6 I never said I could fly & am STILL waiting for some Christian to prove that snakes, donkeys & plants can talk!

        • sswulff

          BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6  
          They do !  To each other… we’re just not smart enough to understand and decipher.  You talk to your dog don’t you ?

        • BobE

          sswulff BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6 The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”
          “No,” he said.

        • sswulff

          BobE sswulff 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6  
          On a lighter note… see, animals DO talk to humans !!!
          Have a great day Bob, and thank you for the rational intellect that comes few and far between these days.

        • BobE

          sswulff BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6 I suppose there was Mr Ed (but he was a horse of course)

        • sswulff

          BobE sswulff 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6  
          You’re killing me …. another prime example, but also don’t forget Willard the pig….

        • BobE

          sswulff BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6 Still, nor reptiles or plants

        • sswulff

          BobE sswulff 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6  
          Wulff out…. gotta go

        • WhatsItMatter

          BobE NWProgressive tins6 Science is a belief, a belief that the facts being offered are believable to and accepted as fact by a larger group of scientists and thereby becoming fact, as indicated in your examples. But this should not be confused with the findings of a group based on who’s paying the bills and what their interest in the outcome is. As was the case for Global Warming during the UN debates. The ideas offered by these scientists have now been challenged by NASA in a report released by them after the fact of their conspiracy coming to light during or just before the UN meeting took place. One need only look at what science thought of the progress of  Ice age man was until one was found and the new findings of their far advance development over what science stated it was to understand the “belief” aspect to scientific fact. “Dipshit”

        • Always a Marine

          BobE NWProgressive tins6
          See, once again you’re showing your confusion.  As always with liberals, they take a legitimate word or concept, then pour in a new meaning, e.g. “equality.”  The conservative understands that it refers to what we are by virtue of God-given unalienable rights.  The progressive democrat (same belief as Marxists) understands it to be “equality of outcome.” 
          The same is true with science.  Now, when you look at proof (that pile of data Booby ascribes to) there is in that genuine science.  But, when you look at their devotion to Darwin’s theseis, for which there is no proof what they have is a religion (or a cult).
          By the way, this is another common belief progressive democrats and commies share:  godless, evolutionary determinism.
          I know you don’t like the Bible, so I’m wondering if you would accept this truth from Bob Dylan: 
          “But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed  You’re gonna have to serve somebody
          Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord But you’re gonna have to serve somebody

        • elnegron77

          BobE NWProgressive tins6 
          Hi BobE, Jesus Loves You

        • BobE

          WhatsItMatter
          BobE
           NWProgressive
           tins6 
          science
          is (for better or worst) the ONLY tool  mankind has that is focused on assessing the validity of its propositions.

          Scientific answers
          are not final, but progressively improved by investigation. Religious answers
          are dogmatic and purportedly final, based on a mishmash of tradition, myth,
          prejudice and ignorance – among other things. When considering the
          truth of a proposition, one is either engaged in an honest appraisal of the
          evidence and logical arguments, or one isn’t. Religion is one area of our lives
          where people imagine that some other standard of intellectual integrity
          applies.
          A straw man is committed
          when you argue a fabrication of what your opposition’s position, rather than
          addressing your opposition’s actual arguments. Now whether or not you do this
          because you don’t know any better, or because you know that’s not the actual
          claim of your opposition and you’re being deliberately dishonest doesn’t matter
          in terms of how fallacious the argument is. Again, you are responsible for
          knowing your opposition’s actual argument, claim, or general position on a
          topic before you argue against it.
          When I concluded
          that because one claim was demonstrably false, and the actual matter was
          unknown, that whatever solution I plugged into existence must be correct, I was
          committing an argument from ignorance. Even if I dismissed your actual
          argument, rather than a fabricated one, me claiming that any solution I propose
          must be true because it presents an alternative to fill a knowledge gap does
          not make me correct- not until I can provide satisfactory evidence for the
          claim I’m making.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine
          BobE
           NWProgressive
           tins6
           When you argue against science it just proves how stupid you actually are & shows how the GOP has morphed form a one proud political party into a cult of religious kooks.

          One of the most frightening things in this country is the number of people who believe in
          things that are scientifically false. If someone tells me that the earth is
          less than 10,000 years old, in my opinion he should see a psychiatrist
          I would not accept the “truth” from Bob Dylan but if came from Keith Richards I would have to give it some serious consideration

        • elnegron77

          BobE Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6 
          BobE your fonts are showing what everyone knows, you just search copy and paste. It’s a shame you don’t think for yourself, time to get off the drugs. Jesus Loves You BobE………..

        • GrumpyOldMan

          sswulff BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6 sswulff, BoobiE doesn’t have dog. Even they stay away unless he ties a pork chop around his neck.  Then as soon as the get the bone they run away as fast as they can.

        • WhatsItMatter

          BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 
          BobE, I agree with you, although I do not have to be responsible for knowing my opposition’s actual argument, claim or general position before engaging him, but it does make for a better argument! I can be correct any time I feel like it too, the heck with verification, it takes all the fun out of it! Nicely stated, for a dipshit! lol!

        • Always a Marine

          BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 
          Who’s on first?  What’s on second?

        • WhatsItMatter

          BobE Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6 Bobby, here you are again offering your opinion with no facts to back it up! What are the facts, that carbon dating is unreliable after X number of years back or that all of those sports stars pictured on a box of Wheaties never took one bite? Or you have a family member that lived at that time and left a diary.? Are you trying to start another conflict because this one is running out of steam? If the ignorance of man is presentation of a statement without fact your a top instructor! Too much fun!

        • WhatsItMatter

          Always a Marine BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 and I don’t know is in office!

        • BobE

          WhatsItMatter BobE Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6
          Another genius that going to prove all of science wrong!!! NO facts,  go by a 7th grade science book. Here’s what I simply cannot understand about you people from the “flat earth society” if you have the evidence to prove science wrong BRING IT!!! That’s what science IS! Proving a theory wrong! As of yet the brightest people on the planet have yet to do it so don’t take it personally if I doubt some uneducated hillbilly living in a trailer park somewhere in the deep south can, but If you can prove your theory if correct & that all of geology and
          biology are wrong; the speed of light has been wrongly calculated, so
          Einsteinian physics is wrong; the distance and speed of other galaxies has been
          wrongly calculated, meaning that all of astronomy and therefore Newtonian
          physics are also wrong. then you will not only win a Nobel Prize but will be forever remembered as the man that proved Einstein a FOOL!

        • WhatsItMatter

          BobE WhatsItMatter Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6 Hey, you left out the Wheaties issue! Are you having a bad day, I agreed with you, what more could you want from life? Obama and company is up to their arm pits in dodo and there’s more condemnation on line then someone like you would know what to do with, you should be happier than a dog at a cat show!

        • NWProgressive

          BobE WhatsItMatter Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6 
          How to tell when Bobejaan knows he’s wrong?  He calls the other person a name!

        • Always a Marine

          BobE WhatsItMatter Always a Marine NWProgressive tins6 
          See, there you go again Boobie – you set up another straw man to argue against.  No one said all science is wrong. 
          You and your kind belong to the science by calamity and politics society.  What’s next – lefties gave us destruction by an ice age.  Then when they couldn’t find ice beyond their mixed drink, they gave us global warming. 
          That went out pretty quickly when they discovered the earth had actually cooled (did you see the pics of all the blizzards coinciding with the phony global warming meetings?).  That went out, so then it was “climate change.”  Now damn, that’s a real scientific description.  That’s even on the way out because they got caught in their political conspiracy.
          So, what are the Marxist, pagan, earth worshipping “scientists” going to come up with to raise some money, destroy capitalism, and increase their power? 
          I’ll give you this:  These clowns have corruption and manipulation down to a “science.”

        • Don39

          Always a Marine BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 So why do you people keep feeding this nut?

        • NWProgressive

          Don39 
          Bobejaan is paid by the Democrats to disrupt sites there is no getting rid of this chigger.  Evidence is useless against him because he believes what he is paid to believe.  Notice his use of “Racist” and forms of stupid.  Straight out of the DNC handbook.  Instead of discussing something useful, get conservatives proving they are not Racist or Stupid. 
          Good can come from His posts though.  Conservatives need to learn the Socialists tricks.  What arguments are most effective against these tricks!   Come the next election conservatives need to be able to convince everyone, that has a job instead of a welfare check, of the importance of voting for candidates that will return America to greatness.
          Use Bobejaan for target practice.  You can’t convince him, but when you reduce him to raging rants you know you have an argument worth repeating.

        • BobE

          Always a Marine BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6  another DIMWIT from the flat earth society. The problem of
          religious belief is that, once you have accepted a set of propositions
          unsupported by logic, evidence or rational analysis, you are then capable of
          believing anything without submitting it to rational consideration. I just cannot help but feel pity for people like you that don’t believe in science while taking advantage of it every day. I’m curious, you may not be aware or perhaps you just don’t believe but we actually have a rover on MARS!!! Just how do you think we got it their? With good aim? Or do you just not believe that it’s there?

        • NWProgressive

          BobE Always a Marine WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 
          Bobejaan.  Such Simple Beliefs.  DNC pays him money to believe in Global Warming.  Bobejaan Believes. 
          DNC pays money to believe No God.  Bobejaan Believes He Is Son of A Monkey.
          DNC pays money to believe all conservatives are Racist.  Bobejaan Believes all conservatives are racist.
          Dnc pays money to cut and paste the same nonsense in as many Threads a possible.  Bobejaan Pastes.

        • BobE

          NWProgressive BobE Always a Marine WhatsItMatter tins6  I don’t believe all conservatives are racists. Just the Tea party & Christian Conservatives.

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan sswulff BobE 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6  Actually I do have a Doberman Pincher

        • NWProgressive

          BobE NWProgressive Always a Marine WhatsItMatter tins6 
          Bobejaan has requested that I correct my earlier statement about all conservatives being Racist.
          Bobejaan would like it known that he was paid to believe That Tea Party members and Chistian conservatives are Racist.  He was not paid to have an opinion on any other conservatives so he has no opinion.  He will not have an opinion until he is paid.
          Since Bobejaan did not object to being the Son of A Monkey that is still true.

        • BobE

          NWProgressive BobE Always a Marine WhatsItMatter tins6  not true, the “country club” or “wall street wing” of the GOP I don’t believe are all racists. They vote their interests & I respect then for that.

        • NWProgressive

          BobE NWProgressive Always a Marine WhatsItMatter tins6 
          Like I said.  Bobejaan only believes what he is paid to believe.

        • Don39

          BobE NWProgressive Always a Marine WhatsItMatter tins6 Further proof folks that this leftist, like every other leftist, only cares about individual interest and not the interest of the Republic or ‘We the People’!  he is just a self serving leftist, or maybe not even that, maybe just some troll smuck doing what he is told by the collective. And he seems to be keeping some of you pretty busy!

        • Don39

          GrumpyOldMan sswulff 1LTLos NWProgressive tins6 Yeah, he would need something to protect himself and to make him seem more bad and impressiv than he really is.

        • Always a Marine

          Don39 Always a Marine BobE WhatsItMatter NWProgressive tins6 
          The same reason people throw peanuts to the monkeys at the zoo – it’s entertaining!

  • Rhoda 65

    NO! Arizona doesn’t need to ask the president any questions at all.  They need to do exactly what they are suppose to do withouth the big governments telling the American people what to do.  We are his employer and we should be telling him to ask us questions.

  • NWProgressive

    What in the world could race have to do with getting Bobejaan to wet his panties over a comment?

  • Moparman12

    HEY people get smart Bob is a VERY miserable human & wants to spread his misery quit talking to him he is a walking 0.

  • 1LTLos

    Ms Fisher  Here is an interesting slant on the topic that I picked up from another poster — if you still have time to blend this suggestion into your letter this will make it a winner!!!  G’Luck!

    “perhaps it would be more acceptable to some of us if they were to be
    issued a driver license also clearly emblazoned with the words “Criminal
    Trespasser – to be deported when the government can be made to obey the
    law to deal with those who refuse to do so, just like themselves,” and
    “Not to be used for voter identification at any time in any election,”
    on both sides of the card.”

  • sswulff

    DAMN GOOD ANSWER !!!!!!  HERE HERE !!!!!!!  As they do in congress when YoMama want to run an end around piece of illegal legislation ….  I’LL SECOND THAT

  • Roystoll2

    How much evidence do you need?  I have a pile of articles on voter fraud in all of the swing states and if you are serious or just yanking peoples chains, I will bring them in and provide you with the sites and dates and html’s.  If you think that if one candidate can get 100% of the vote in a precinct or city then you are beyond hope.  Also if you believe that 98% of the vote in Philadelphia was for Obama, then YOU are part of the problem.  By the way how many times did you vote?  Also, why did Obama lose in EVERY SINGLE STATE THAT REQUIRED PHOTO ID TO VOTE??????????

    • BobE

      Roystoll2 How much evidence do I need? How about 1 shred? I am VERY serious. Articles? I’m not talking about some KOOK blogger that “claims” these things happened but actual evidence (if you know the difference). Nobody clams Obama got 100%  or 90% of the vote in a city but a candidate that got 93% of the black vote across the nation can & did get 100% of the black vote in a couple of small all black precincts. Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas. there is to no motivation for voters to attempt to impersonate someone else at the polls or for non-citizens to try and cast a ballot, a right reserved only for citizens. The price for that one vote is up to 5 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000 for citizens and deportation for immigrants.

      • downenray

        BobE — Bob doesn’t want to see proof of wrongdoing. He wouldn’t believe it if it couldn’t be denied. The precincts where Republican watchers were thrown out don’t count with Bob. The precincts with more than 100% voting are all in our imaginations. The machines which counted for Obama votes cast for his opponent are all simply malfunctions in our imaginations, according to Bob. He imagines the Muslim can do no wrong. — Ray.

        • Don39

          downenray BobE  You state the obvious. What I do not understand is why you continue to comment back and forth with him. It has become so redundant that others myself included have stopped reading your comment. Please spend your valuable time where it will be effective in reinforcing other conservatives, etc and let this machine troll go away.

        • BobE

          Don39 downenray BobE WHATEVER you do DO NOT research voter fraud because at that point you’ll come face to face at just how gullible & stupid you actually are & even for dipwhits like you that will come as a shock!

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE Don39 downenray Hey BoobiE!  How’d you like your DOW today? (Not that I believe for one minute you even know a single company that makes up the DOW or that you have any real investments other than in the your Clown-In-Chief OBozo.)

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE Don39 downenrayyou climb up the mountains ‘n you fall down the holes. Today was not good

  • sswulff

    Pass the gas then light a match ….

  • Don39

    What I can not understand is why those great conservatives here continue to give ANY recognition at all to anything like that trash , paid trolls, like BobE and his one sycophant Buzz13? Time that could better be spent arguing with your dog, if you have a dumb leftist dog. Spend the time doing research and activities to advance the conservative agenda or some other worthwhile endeavor and freeze out the garbage! If you get to close to garbage you may attain a stink.

    • BobE

      Research? Why don’t you dipshits research voter fraud & post a link that is evidence I’m wrong? You people will believe anything but truth! Ya cannot help but notice everyone thinks I’m wrong on voter fraud in spite of the evidence I ha e posted yet not a single one of you can post a shred of evidence that supports your. Case. That’s typical for teabaggers I suppose

    • Moparman12

      Don39 I didn’t know Bob was getting paid. I agree I get more sense out of my dog.You this would be a nice place without him. I kinda thought he wanted to make his point on everything never constructive but money explains it.

      • BobE

        Moparman12 Don39 I didn’t know it either!

  • sswulff

    Thanks man… it was quite the hunt.  Got it at Ted Nugent’s ranch in Jackson, Michigan with my Hoyt compound bow.  It was my first bow kill… 300 lb. Russian Boar.  Quite the monster…..

    • Always a Marine

      sswulff ‘
      As if the hog wasn’t enough – then you pile it on about getting to hunt on Nugent’s ranch.  I lived out that way for 8 years.  Mich. has some nice deer also, and I have a 25lb. king salmon hanging on my wall from Lake Mich.

    • BobE

      sswulff Ted Nugent? Didn’t that jerkoff say he would be “dead or in jail” if Obama won???

  • Moparman12

    I like messing with him but since I been told he getting paid to argue with everyone on anything I’ll help cut his pay check & just consider the source Tanks!!!

    • BobE

      Moparman12  The problem with you idiots is that you believe EVERYTHING you want to hear!

      • Moparman12

        BobE Moparman12 Bob I read constantly & right now I don’t know what to believe. I just read my senetors were going to vote for the immigration bill. I call their state & Washington office’s & they told me that was not right. I am about to the point to only believe what I see with my own eyes. I think both sides are just spreading B.S. so they can argue & fight. It seems they forgot they were elected to represent the people who put them in office. I went thru segeration & even then I never saw people so divided & full of hate.GOOD LUCK!!!

        • BobE

          Moparman12 BobE The Immigration bill is subjective. Politicians that have no Hispanics in their districts are likely have a different opinion than those that do if not completely for their own self interests. The voter fraud issue is something completely different! That’s a myth that can be proven to be a myth by a simple google search & click  of a mouse yet you people STILL will not do it or if you do you won’t believe it

        • Moparman12

          BobE Moparman12 Bob I actually have several Hispanic friends & have been to their home to have supper with them.I have allot of respect them they wanted a better life for their family & came to America the right way & are very productive citizens. I have no problem with a man wanting to getter his life & that of his family but there is a legal way to do that. We had a party for a lady when she got her citizenship. They will tell you at the local hospital she is the best nurse there.I tried replyon the voter issue but it won’t let me reply. I try it again.

        • NWProgressive

          Moparman12 BobE 
          If Bobejaan is saying that there is almost No Voter Fraud.  Trust that Voter Fraud is Rampant!

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Moparman12 It’s the so called news media that is at fault.  Used to be we actually had one, I’m sure you remember.  Now they don’t teach journalism anymore. They teach writing editorials disguised as news pieces.  In far too many cases the story reported in the New York Times for instance, is nothing but something cut and pasted from some blog and put out as news.  It’s one of the main reasons our electorate is so dumb nowadays.

        • Moparman12

          GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 The US new is a joke just for kicks read the US news & go read the same story in Canadian news you get allot different story.. I fell the US newspapers are going out of business fast so they got to have something sensational to get you to buy a paper.

        • BobE

          NWProgressive Moparman12 BobE OK make me a believer. Show me a single shred of evidence I’m wrong. The sick truth is that you morons don’t want to look it up because as stupid as you are deep down you’re smart enough to know I’m right!

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan Moparman12  you  begin with the premise that you’re are right and that any evidence to the
          contrary must be faulty in some way. you do not seek truth, only confirmation
          of your own mythology

    • BobE

      Moparman12 You morons do believe everything you want to hear!!! I assure you i’m not getting paid

      • NWProgressive

        BobE Moparman12 
        We have Assurance from Bobejaan that He is not getting paid!  What do any of you consider to be the odds that Bobejaan is telling the truth?

  • Roystoll2

    I and every other veteran who took the oath will stand and fight for that Constitution and protect it because it is the heart and soul of this nation.  Any person who goes against it is guilty of treason and I am fed up with these so-called Republicans who will not stand up to the Democrat liberals when they go after the Constitution.  I left the Republican Party when they did not contest this last election which was rife with fraud.  Just so these liberals know I will give my life if that is what it takes to stop them from taking our guns or Constitution away.

    • BobE

      Roystoll2 I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that there was voter fraud? I realize that you dimwits in wingnut land think it’s common knowledge but not a single one of you has even a SHRED of evidence other than your own delusion or what you heard from some other wingnut. As far as giving your life, I’d go see a doctor because you seem to already be brain dead

    • jimjames

      Roystoll2 got you brother i feel the same vietnam vet

    • downenray

      Roystoll2 — How odd that your loyalty to the more conservative party was so shallow. I’m still a Republican and am convinced that the only hope for this republic is in the Republican Party and those who are faithful supporters of its stand for God and country. — Ray Downen. missionoutreach.org

      • GrumpyOldMan

        downenray Roystoll2 There is “blind loyalty”, and then there is “informed” disagreement.

  • Moparman12

    I give you this much you have the right to believe what you believe & I have the right to believe what I believe let’s quit all this bickering & just say were are both Americans & agree we disagree & I respet you for standing up for you believe & you show me mutial respect & I never bother you again. It’s like if the US ends up in trouble we are both still Americans & I fight for your beliefs even though I feel they are wrong but I will die to honor free speach & even your beliefs that America’s have done for several hundred yrs.. I don’t consider you a enemy we both American’s & we differ on beliefs but we have that right . GOOD Luck in Life!

    • BobE

      Moparman12  I agree with you 100%. . I understand political disagreements are part of this country. Should we raise or lower taxes, get in or stay out of Syria. do immigration reform, what can be done to help the economy, etc, etc These are legitimate questions that need serious debate & although we may disagree I look forward to that debate. My problem with most people here is they truly believe in things that are simply not true. Voter fraud is one of many examples. I keep hearing over & over how voter fraud got Obama elected & how he got 100% of the vote in Philly, 180% of the vote in some other county, etc, etc Why isn’t the FBI or the Justice Department investigating the “widespread voter fraud” that a number of Rightwingers are claiming enabled Barack Obama to win? The simplest answer is that there is nothing to investigate , particularly when the evidence of “fraud” forwarded by Republicans is easily dispatched with little more than a Google search and a few clicks of the mouse. Yetif  you people are dug into positions that can very easily proved false how can their be a debate on issues a bit more difficult to prove than counting votes?

      • GrumpyOldMan

        BobE Moparman12 If there is anyone here that “truly believes in things that are simply not true, it’s YOU BoobiE.  You seem to be one of those who believes if you can steal a car and not get caught then the crime didn’t occur.  That is your basis for your argument that voter fraud isn’t as bad as it is.  And what makes it even worse is that you are totally against the simplicity of requiring someone to prove they are citizens prior to exercising one of the most basic of our civil liberties.  You can’t get on an airplane and fly without proper identification.  Why on Earth should you not have the same minimum requirement in order to vote?  The answer for you is because most illegal votes are for the idiots you support….Dummycrats!  I bet you would change your tune fast enough if they were voting Republican now wouldn’t you.

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE Moparman12  You people are seriously STUPID! Ist of all our constitution doesn’t guarantee you the right to get on a plane however it DOES   guarantee your right to vote. Also, it’s not all that simple for some people for a number of different reasons to get the ID required that these states are trying pass & lastly, there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of in person voter fraud in numbers greater than 0.0003% of the vote. I have asked for ANYBODY on this site to post any evidence they can find of in person voter fraud & not a single person has because IT DOESN’T EXIST! The truth is most illegal votes go the GOP in the form of absentee ballots but even those numbers are insignificant

        • BobE

          GrumpyOldMan BobE Moparman12http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/24/2055621/even-the-ohio-elections-chief-who-fought-to-suppress-votes-doesnt-think-voter-fraud-is-a-problem/! 
          Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) has finally closed the investigation into possible voter fraud in the 2012 election, declaring “voter fraud does exist, but it is not an epidemic.”
          To illustrate his point, Husted noted that the 135 cases of possible voter fraud referred for further investigation are a tiny percentage of more than 5.6 million votes cast in the presidential election last November. Most of these cases involved people who tried to double-vote by either voting in two different precincts or sending an absentee ballot and then showing up at the polls. According to a Cincinnati Enquirer report most of these voters were not trying to swing the election illegally, but were worried their ballots got lost in the mail or followed incorrect instructions from poll workers.
          Husted emphasized the fact that the safeguards in the voting system prevented these people from actually getting both their votes counted, as most cast one or more provisional ballots. Provisional ballots are used if there is some question regarding the voter’s eligibility, and are http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/30/605511/report-ohio-routinely-tosses-votes/ even if the voter is legitimate.
          Conservative groups searching for compelling evidence of in-person voter fraud have seized on Ohio’s investigation as proof that voting restrictions, like strict voter ID laws, are necessary. Before the election, Husted toyed with supporting a http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/19/872231/ohio-secretary-of-state-hopes-for-strict-voter-id-law-he-once-opposed/ pushed by Republican lawmakers, but ultimately dropped it despite enthusiastic Republican support. After the voter fraud investigation, however, Husted observed that “a photo ID wouldn’t have mattered in most of these cases.”
          However, the Secretary was quick to note that the investigation uncovered no evidence of voter suppression. Husted became one of the http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1148751/meet-the-nations-five-worst-election-officials/ of 2012 due to his multiple attempts to http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/11/03/1134981/last-minute-ohio-directive-could-trash-legal-votes-and-swing-the-election/ and http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/16/699321/ohio-secretary-of-state-restricts-voting-hours-in-all-counties/ despite http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/21/722481/another-ohio-county-to-hold-weekend-voting-hours-defying-secretary-of-states-directive/ http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/22/732181/another-ohio-county-calls-for-weekend-voting-hours/requests to stay open to accommodate residents. A report after the election determined that Husted’s http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/23/1479471/report-ohio-secretary-of-states-restrictive-voting-hours-hurt-urban-voters/ created much longer lines for urban voters than those in suburban or rural areas. Though Husted is claiming there was no formal evidence of voter suppression, the http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/04/1136701/why-the-lines-are-so-long-in-florida-and-ohio/ endured by thousands of voters in Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati speak for themselves.

        • Don39

          GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 May I remind you that there is a court order which precludes and official Republican action as to fraudulent voting! and that the same order includes a gag order that precludes the GOP or any Republican organization from even discussing the court order and arrangement.I have written about that before and will try to find the references. I beleive that I first came across it in a reference in a column by ‘True the Vote’ or on their site. It may even have been on WND.

        • BobE

          Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 That’s PERFECT!!! 1st you idiots believe in a lie that’s there’s a massive amount of voter fraud  & then when the 1% of you have an IQ above plant life and  might wonder why nobody in the GOP is questioning (the lie) of  how Obama got 100% of the vote in Philly or 180% of the vote someplace, 140% in another, etc. someone comes up with another lie that’s there’s a “gag order” against the GOP of looking into & even talking about the gag order! and you NIPSHITS believe it!!! I mean it’s not like either party would EVER question the voting results like they did when Dubya stole the election from Gore for hanging chads!  You morons are soooo stupid it’s actually funny!

        • NWProgressive

          BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 
          Bobejaan.  You are so over the top on this Vote Issue.  The DNC must be paying you extra to quiet this down.

        • Always a Marine

          BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 
          I read your script years ago.  It was featured in an episode of “Twilight Zone.”
          You really swallow all of the propaganda and talking points of  the progressive party headquarters.  Your defense is as legitimate as Al Franken’s election.

        • BobE

          NWProgressive BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12
          I just think things are funny. I have often wondered who would be so stupid to support candidates like these who believe things like  Michael Burgess “fetal masturbation” theory,  Tod Akin’s “magic sperm” & “legitimate rape” theory, Trent Frank “rape only rarely resulted in pregnancy” theory.Phil “rape is kinda like being tense & uptight” Ginerey “women who are tense and uptight and need a glass of wine to women who are forced to have sex against their will”  Theory, Henry “the juices don’t flow” Aldridge “The facts show that people who are raped who are truly raped  the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work and they don’t get pregnant.” theory Stephen “she secrets a secretion”Freind “Rape, obviously, is a traumatic experience. When that traumatic experience is undergone, a woman secretes a certain secretion, which has a tendency to kill sperm” theory, Fay God’s little protective shield.” Boozman “an adrenaline rush triggered by fear causes hormonal changes that block a woman’s ability to conceive during a violent attack” theory & know I know the answer!

        • RonaldChristopher

          BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 The republicans by law are not allowed to challenge. And seeing as how the rest of us are stupid morons, I’ll let you look that law up. The case Minor v. Happersett described Natural Born Citizen.

        • NWProgressive

          BobE NWProgressive Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 
          Bobejaan.  An expert on raped women.  Obviously from first hand experience.  Has your buddy Obama promised you a pardon before he leaves DC?

        • kmilliorn

          NWProgressive–As a doc, I can tell you that those Republicans’ pronouncements about “legitimate rape”, etc, were way out in left field, unscientific, & medically unsubstantiated. They should have kept their mouths shut & stuck to politics. Your personal attack on Bob is rude & unwarranted, & does not contribute to a productive discussion.

        • BobE

          kmilliorn  When I 1st heard of Todd Atkins “magic sperm” theory & “legitimate rape”, as pathetic as it was I assumed he was just some “far out” religious kook & who’s view’s could not possibly be taken seriously by anybody with basic high school education (much less by an elected official) but to my shock & horror it seems EVERY time a republican opens their mouth on this issue it’s the same story that they TRULY believe that if a woman gets raped her “juices don’t flow” or “her body shuts down” so the chances of a pregnancy resulting from being raped are very remote! And these are the people sitting on the science committee! The question is how do you have a rational debate with people that think the earth is flat?

        • BobE

          NWProgressive BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 
          I’m no expert on rape with no 1st hand experience so perhaps you can enlighten me from your 1st hand experience. When you dad is sodomizing you & you don’t tell him to stop do you feel you have been raped? When you rape your mother do you think her body shuts down to keep her from getting pregnant or that you’re still shooting blanks?

        • NWProgressive

          kmilliorn 
          You are new here.  Rude answers to Bobejaan are completely warranted and productive discussions with Bobejaan are impossible.

        • NWProgressive

          BobE NWProgressive Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 
          Bobejaan you are no expert on anything.  Your last post reminds me of Obama without a teleprompter.  Just pathetic!

        • Don39

          BobE NWProgressive Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 Did anyone else flag this vulgar idiot?

        • GrumpyOldMan

          BobE GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 BoobiE I see you are wearing your tinfoil hat again. The one that protects your total ignorance from being penetrated by any logic, reason, or source of intelligence whatsoever.  And yet you have the gall to call anyone else “stupid”?????

        • GrumpyOldMan

          NWProgressive BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 There is no pardon for being stupid, much to BoobiE’s dismay.  There is also no cure for being stupid, again much to BoobiE’s dismay.  However there is a cure for ignorance, but BoobiE has to first admit he is ignorant, and I don’t see that happening within his lifetime.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Don39 BobE NWProgressive GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 Flagging him doesn’t seem to do any good.  I know it’s been tried in the past.

        • Don39

          RonaldChristopher BobE Don39 GrumpyOldMan Moparman12 Though Minow v. Happersett does indirectly describe classes of citizens, and if you believe it it makes it clear that Obama is illegally president. it lacks the weight of a Constitutional change. The case is in fact bad law and has been used as evidentiary by both sides of the argument for that very reason.The case did not even then give any rights as intended.It does clearly state that a person born on U.S. soil of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen. However it does not say more than it does on this issue BECAUSE this it not the ISSUE IT WAS TO SETTLE! It did not even settle the issue of women,s right to vote which had to be later settled BY A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!

  • Jackolyn

    No native born requires two parent citizens of the same country. The same as natural born. The native population of an island as I said would all be born of that island. In America a child can also be natural born if the parents are naturalized citizens at the time of birth. If all citizens no divided loyalties exist. Native or natural born requires no law to establish citizenship. It is natural and undeniable.
    If then parents are not citizens one or both, a child is only a citizen of birth (jus solei) when there is a law enforcing that course. Like this jus solei exception we have was the same for Canada. But even they have dropped that law citizenship path. We are the last first world country to still have that nation building law. It is a dated unnecessary law now. A jus solei citizen, a simple citizen is not eligible for the Presidency.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      Jackolyn You are TOTALLY wrong on this Jackolyn.  I suggest you do some research on your own.  There is plenty of places that spell out the difference between a “natural born” and a “native”, or any other term you want to use, born.  I know by now your mind is made up, and you don’t want to be confused by the facts, but you are beginning to look a little silly here.  And besides that, it has nothing to do with the current discussion at hand.

  • RonaldChristopher

    I am quite certain the X amendment of our constitution covers this. The Supreme court is wrong. Obama does not have this power over the states. The states, each and every one separately, are sovereign.

    • Moparman12

      RonaldChristopher You are right I found the case & posted on anothe site.

  • RonaldChristopher

    According to constitutional law it goes this way. Natural born citizen is born on American soil by two American parents. Just citizen is anybody who had become a citizen, being born elsewhere. This is why there are two different citizen qualification in the Constitution. Natural Born Citizen to be the president and just citizen to hold any office under that. The Indians were native born long ago and I do not think there are anymore native born Indians alive. Al the rest are natural born, unless they came here from another country. But the key here is this. Why the two different citizen for office, i/e., natural born citizen and simply, citizen for lower offices if it did not mean that to be president one had to be natural born of two American parents.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      RonaldChristopher The reasoning behind the “natural born” citizen requirement for president was that the Founders wanted to insure that whoever occupied the office of president of the United States had absolutely no allegiance to any other country.  
      That was ignored in 2008 and again in 2012 and we are suffering dearly because of it.

      • RonaldChristopher

        GrumpyOldMan RonaldChristopher I agree on both counts. I thought the issue was the Natural Born Citizen issue which is spelled out in Constitutional court documents and right off hand I forget the case. Since obama and his greezers came along a lot about the constitution has been ignored.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          RonaldChristopher GrumpyOldMan I remember the case also, but not the name of it.  Long time ago. And hardly ever cited since it rarely came up.  It was on my computer in 2008 but I don’t think it survived the computer rebuilds.

        • Don39

          RonaldChristopher GrumpyOldMan There are those who will say that the ‘Natural born clause was changed by or that it was changed by that. This is just total ignorance . As we know the Constitution can only be changed by the means specified therein , by a two thirds vote and ratification by two thirds of the states. changing of the Natural born clause has never even been attempted!

      • Don39

        GrumpyOldMan RonaldChristopher Absolutly correct. Plus they wished to avoid any chance of establishing an international line of succession as the royalty had in Europe.

    • Don39

      RonaldChristopher I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. The mother is immaterial. It is the father who must have been a citizen since natural law was based on paternal rights society. Women at the time had no rights except what they got through marriage or from a father. They were not at the time allowed to even vote! That is why Obama’s mother being a US citizen is immaterial and there is no dispute that his father was not. HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and is therefore unlawfully holding the office of president! He is a FRAUD and a USURPER and nothing he has signed is valid law and nothing he has done has any legal standing less the PEOPLE let them get by with abrogating the Constitution to be totally valueless and the Republic DEAD!

      • RonaldChristopher

        Don39 RonaldChristopher  Apparently I went to Para-legal school for nothing. My major in college was Law and that apparently was a waste of time also. Let me see if I can be brief. What you are talking about, the father setting precedence, is the international law of recognition. Not all nations recognize that law, the US being one of them. The US courts state that if you are born on American soil you are a citizen. Some have even said that Obama is a natural born citizen. Nothing has been set in concrete as to the definition of natural born citizen. That is why I challenged it. There are two types of “citizen” mentioned in the constitution, Natural Born citizen and citizen. The first is to hold office of president and the second is to hold any office lower than president. My comment, why the two different citizen statements. While I agree with you that Obama is not a natural born citizen, many judges and lawyers (what to they know), and a couple of professors, have stated that Obama is a Natural Born.
          Now, you leave yourself no ledge on which to seek shelter. So I would suggest that you file paper work with the federal district court in your area noting what you have stated to me, that Obama is a fraud and usurper and nothing he has signed is a valid law. You see, what you have said is not really the truth to the courts. I would love to hear what a judge says in regards to your statement.
          I also agree that our republic is dead. SO WHY DON’T YOU FILE A SUIT IN FEDERAL COURT REGARDING OBAMA and let me know what the judge says.

        • Don39

          RonaldChristopher Don39 Paralegal training never made one an expert on Constitutional law or apparently the Constitution. What a couple of liberal professors have said or even a couple of conservative ones voicing an opinion changes nothing! Nor does the misinformation of a “trained paralegal”! I* need no shelter! As to my involvement is law suits you have no clue! We should be on the same side but your stupid ego keeps getting in the way. What ever corrupt courts hold does not make it right, especially when they do not have the Constitution to stand on. Their might can be overturned one way or another! This court rules.

        • RonaldChristopher

          Don39 RonaldChristopher We are on the same side but alas, alas, I think you misunderstood my comment. What I was in fact saying is: there is no law in the law actually defining natural born citizen. There is a lot of personal opinions, but nothing out of the supreme court stating exactly what it is. My apologies if you misunderstand what I thought I meant to say. How’s that?

  • ragnarok65

    “Federal law allows anyone to register to vote by swearing to be a US
    citizen—simply checking a box on the federal registration form—under
    penalty of perjury.Unfortunately, perjury is a rarely prosecuted crime at the federal level.” Perjury, in this instance, would require the criminal trials of hundreds of thousands – perhaps multiple MILLIONS – of people, immediately bankrupting the country. However, allowing those who have not proven themselves to be American Citizens , has an equally debilitating effect – both financially and philosophically – upon our nation. Has SCOTUS nullified Amendment X? Were it me in the office of Governor, I would enforce the law that was ratified by the state legislature, and ignore SCOTUS. The feds cannot and MUST NOT be the final deciders over state laws, otherwise there is no reason for state Governors or state legislatures. The only exception to that should be unless the law was blatantly and indisputably discriminatory. The AZ law only “discriminates” against those who are not permitted to vote by virtue of their NON-CITIZEN STATUS. Those who are NOT CITIZENS have no legal standing in U.S. election process!

    • RonaldChristopher

      ragnarok65 I think what you are referring to, concerning federal registrations forms, applies only to the District of Columbia (DC). All other places within the boundaries of States, registering to vote is guided by their respective State Constitution and cannot be nullified by the federal government, in any manner whatsoever.
      I must add however that the supreme court has now decided that anybody can vote in our elections. Maybe several plane loads of Arabs and Chinese will fly in and vote, seeing as how the supreme court, and obama, has now sort of ruled that voting really does not mean anything. Yet, we point to the voting process in Iraq and Afghan and say, look, democracy. Insanity has consumed America.

  • MildredFischer

    (continuation of comment)Immigration concerns every citizen. If the
    Arizona US Senator does not listen to the voices of citizens from another
    state, then the US Senator is not doing his/her job representing the United
    States. The reason this country is so f’ld up is because the US Senators and US
    Representatives are not hearing the voices of “We the People” from
    the other states. If you believe US Senators and Representatives are just to
    repesent the citizens of the states that elected them, then why have agents
    from the states and agents of the state. Isn’t that duplicitous? And taxpayer
    money wasted on salaries? And if you believe what you believe, explain to me
    why those Reps sent to Washington are called United States Representatives and
    Senators instead of (State) Senator (Name).

  • MildredFischer

    Grumpy – Every State has
    its own State representatives. They are referred to (State Name) Senator
    (Senator’s name) or (State Name) Delegate (Delegate’s name) or if not a
    delegate then (State Name) Representative (Rep’s name). United States Senators
    and United States Representatives represent “We the People.” They are
    referred to as Uniteed States Senator from (State). They are suppose to
    represent every citizen in the United States. They work with Governors and the
    States Senators/Delegtes/Representatives to “bring home the bacon,”
    but on issues that concern “We the People” then they should listen to
    any citizens from any state . (cont’d)

  • MildredFischer

    http://www.livefyre.com/profile/7481779/
    http://www.livefyre.com/profile/10404259/
    You and I must be misunderstanding each other. I was speaking of a presidential
    candidate. What were you speaking to? I think “We the People” should
    select our candiates–not a community nor a party, not the Bilderberg Group,
    not The Trilateral Commission, and not the Council of Foreign Relations. The
    latter 3 groups should be tried for treason. They have two purposes: one is to
    destroy the US Constitution and the other is to eastablish a New World Order
    (Globalism). It will not work.Oh, by
    the way, the community did select the candidates.I could only vote against two democratsin my state, and could note vote against any
    democrats in any of the other states.  I could not vote against republicans in other states (the community elected them), nor could I vote aganst any independents for the same reason.  I was not part of their communities.

    • Always a Marine

      MildredFischer 
      I’m sorry Mildred I couldn’t find your original post, or my response.  Without the context, I’m afraid I can’t answer your questions.

  • MildredFischer

    Good idea.  Will see what I can do with that.

  • Roystoll2

    So you think that if you make it so easy to vote by these so-called millions of poor black and Hispanic voters that it is okay to rig the elections and let millions of illegals to vote, and let the unions stuff the ballot boxes and let Chuck Hagel’s former company who makes 75% of the voting machines program them to over-ride votes making them register Obama.  If these so-called disadvantaged voters don’t have enough drive to make time to go vote on the date and time that is known a year ahead of time, then maybe they don’t deserve to vote.  I am sick and tired of hearing about these victims who are so downtrodden that they can’t vote or read or write like every body else and make time to vote.  Isn’t it funnythat they are always used by those who have to cheat to even win an election?  We are the only country in the world that does not require Photo ID to vote and the rest of the world is in awe because a few stupid people have the ability to stop it  It is pure unmitigated hogwash that they say it disenfranchises people from voting.  Obama lost in every single state, every single state that required photo ID to vote.  What Photo ID laws do is disenfranchise those who are ineligible to vote and nothing more!

    • BobE

      Roystoll2 Yor’re just a plain idiot that doesn’t know what you’re talking about & if you took 5 minutes  to check the facts you’d realize just how stupid you are. If you nipshits had 1/2 a brain you’d be dangerous
      http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/
      http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

      • RonaldChristopher

        BobE Roystoll2  Factcheck and snoopes are liberals. What is fact to one is fiction to another. Besides all of that, as I read these post, it is only you who seems to do the name calling. Why is that. You sound a lot like obama. Out of the mouth comes one thing but actions are another thing. You have made some good points but name calling destroy your points. Obama carried one state by 159 percent. That is 59 percent voter fraud. He carried another area a total 100 percent. That is not possible. Voter fraud. It happened all over the US.

        • BobE

          RonaldChristopher BobE Roystoll2 Obama did NOT carry a state by 159%. . There were 57 “all black” districts in Philly consisting of a combined 19,000 votes (3% of the city) that Obama got 100% of the vote in. Where you consider he got 95% of the black vote nation wide that is not difficult to believe. People like you use your limited about of logic to draw the wrong conclusions because you’re to ignorant to get the facts which BTW are NOT subjective. If some blogger says Obama got 100% of the vote in some county & that county elections board website says Obama got 51% of the vote only one of them are actually stating facts. It’s just a matter of who you choose to believe & the problem with you people is that you have a habit of believing in things that are simply not true & reject ANY evidence no matter how compelling it my be as faulty in some way which is why the nation & world views you people as idiots

        • NWProgressive

          BobE RonaldChristopher Roystoll2 
          All black disticts?  Not a single Hispanic.  That proves a rigged election on it’s own.

        • popham

          Thank you Ronald.  In a few sort sentences you summed up the 2012 voter fraud.
          The mere fact that BobE and thers dispute any level of fraud is because there
          WAS rampant fraud across the country. That”s the whole point of their ravings.

        • Don39

          NWProgressive BobE RonaldChristopher Roystoll2

        • Don39

          NWProgressive BobE RonaldChristopher Roystoll2  I do not care what the makeup of the district, all voting , exceeding the pop count, all voting for the same person, are all clear signs of massive fraud. When it happens in excess of one time , it is tantamount to indisputable proof!

        • RonaldChristopher

          popham Wonder what excuse Bob has about all the military votes that were intentionally lost?

        • popham

          Ronald….that is an excellent question, which surely BobE
          cannot dispute.

    • NWProgressive

      Roystoll2 
      Congratulations on reducing Bobejaan to a ranting lunatic!  I would like to remind readers about the Chinese hacking both Obama and McCain reelection campaigns.  They accomplished this by having people click on links in emails.
      Clicking on links Bobejaan provides is dangerous.   Make sure your anti mal-ware is up to date.

      • Don39

        NWProgressive Roystoll2  You are right on on this. Sometimes the moderator will post a warning but they may not always catch it before someone else catches it literally! However it is more likly that someone like BobE will just refer you to a known leftist propaganda site. The media has recently revealed the lie that factcheck is anything but an impartial fact checker, and that they are in fact a leftist propaganda organization whose goal is not truth but slanting opinion in favor of the left. I will check out the Brennan Center and get back on it.

        • BobE

          Don39 NWProgressive Roystoll2 Of course! it’s the messenger! The fact that the sources are all listed there that you can check mean nothing 
          Claim: In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations – and not one single vote was recorded for Romney FACT Obama didn’t get 100 percent of the vote in any district in Wood County, as anyone can clearly see on the http://www.co.wood.oh.us/boe/Election_Results/2012/Nov%206%202012%20Prect%20Breakdown%20Official.pdf. Obama garnered 51.21 percent of the vote overall in the county.
          Claim: In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.FACT: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Research/electResultsMain/2012Results/20121106uspresident.aspx, 63,948 votes were cast for president in Wood County in 2012, with 32,802 votes for Obama, 29,704 for Romney, and 1,442 for other candidates
          Claim: Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout. FACT:http://www.pbcelections.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=913, the turnout for the presidential election was 69.56 percent.
          Claim: Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.FACT: There are 11 states with some type of photo identification voting law, http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx, and Obama won four of them
          Claim: In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).FACT: It’s not mathematically impossible. The 59 districts are in areas of the city that are mainly African American, as thehttp://www.philly.com/philly/news/year-in-review/20121112_In_59_Philadelphia_voting_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html. And Obama receivedhttp://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/07/14993875-first-thoughts-obamas-demographic-edge?lite.
          In 2008, Obama received 100 percent of the vote in 57 districts in Philadelphia. So it was not that unusual that something similar happened this time around. In fact, Inquirer reporters had a tough time tracking down any registered Republicans in these areas.
          To be clear, these districts make up a small subset of all of Philadelphia. The 59 that went 100 percent for Obama in 2012 constitute 19,605 votes, just 3 percent of the http://www.phillyelectionresults.com/Citywide_Election_Results.html.

        • BobE

          Don39 NWProgressive Roystoll2 Well. I can assure you that the links are good & if you don’t like the messenger you can simply check the facts in the message

      • BobE

        NWProgressive Roystoll2 Good idea! God forbid these morons actually find out the truth & we know they would be to stupid to type in or google the link I posted!

        • NWProgressive

          BobE NWProgressive Roystoll2 
          To those who might not know!
          Typing instead of clicking still takes you to the bad place.  Google is just a search engine.  They provide no protection against malicious code.

  • WhatsItMatter

    I think BobE is a kick, his bias one sided way of thinking leaves him wide open, he’s a standard Lip’eral that figures if he can’t get you to see things his way it’s time to call you names and try to belittle you. Anyone that takes him as if he real needs to go kick a wall, you’ll get a better outcome for your time spent.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      WhatsItMatter “Thinking”?  Most people have a right side and a left side to their brains. BoobiE has only a “left” side, which is why he is dysfunctional.

  • Joy J

    With so many dishonorable people in the world (and in our government), how can the “honor system” be used to allow voter registration???  How many times does the liberal left use the “the world has changed” to try to get their way but when the situations are reversed, they don’t want to talk about or admit that “the world has changed” therefore, so should laws??  
    It seems that the Supreme Court is now a liberal court which means that it is not necessarily a Constitutional court!!!!!  That’s a shame!!

    • BobE

      Joy Jthe Supreme Court is now a liberal court??? It’s the most conservative court since the 1930’s & ANY legal scholar will admit to that!

      • Rhoda 65

        BobE Joy J  What a joke.  You musth have your head in the sand.  The Liberal Supreme court is so radical they are paid by the WH to vote in Obamacare and all other liberal agenda’s.  We need to get trid of them and get The Tea Party Conservative in their place.  They need to  be fired.

  • BobE

    Here is the email that you dipshit take as the word of god! I know you morons think it’s true but it’s NOT!
    Viral email:Most everyone suspected fraud, but these numbers prove it and our government and media refuse to do anything about it.
    As each state reported their final election details, the evidence of voter fraud is astounding. Massive voter fraud has been reported in areas of OH and FL, with PA, WI and VA, all are deploying personnel to investigate election results.
    Here are just a few examples of what has surfaced with much more to come.
    * In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).
    * In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations – and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).
    * In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.
    * In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.
    * The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.
    * Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout.
    * In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters.
    NOTE: Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.

    • Don39

      Folks I have seen all those statements on reliable sites and in reliable news, and lots more. They are in fact some of the data included in a court case! Actually multiple ongoing court proceedings that are active. How desparate is a nut to take actual data and throw it back at you as proof of a lie?  It may well be that someone has seen that data and included it in an e-mail, in fact I have used all those figures and more on this very site. They have never been proven wrong and this one idiot saying they are does not make it so!

      • BobE

        Don39 You like everyone else here believe them to be true but are unable to support your belief with a single shred of evidence. Why? because it doesn’t exist! Put up op shut up! Obama carried 4 states with photo ID!

  • kmilliorn

    Guys–Could we have a CIVIL DISCUSSION here? You can argue passionately on either side an issue without name-calling or accusing each other of various crimes! It’s extremely frustrating to think that I’m dealing with adults only to realize that you’ve taken the discussion down to schoolyard taunts the next post. Bye, y’all.

    • Don39

      kmilliorn NO! Not with the leftist troll you are referring to!

      • kmilliorn

        Don39–There were TWO people involved in that sick conversation–BobE & NWProgressive. It appears that there is no moderation on the site. I’m all for free speech, but it gets truly ridiculous when supposedly grown “adults”, who in other posts have appeared rational, start calling each other rapists & worse, & derail a serious discussion–it is pathetic & counterproductive. Name-calling & verbal assaults have NO part in a serious adult discussion of critical issues, such as we are dealing with here. I think BobE DOES have some valid points, but his attitude assures that no one will listen. And there IS a tendency to dog-pile on him–you have to admit that. Your characterization tells me that you have no interest in hearing what he has to say–whether it is his attitude or an ideological disagreement, I can’t tell. What I can tell is that the toxic argument/atmosphere is one I don’t care to participate in, unless it improves.

        • BobE

          kmilliorn I am very interested in having an intelligent discussion however how is that possible when people truly believe in absurdities without a shred of evidence & reject the mountain of evidence that prove their belief false? If any actually believes that in person voter fraud exists or all the outrageous claims that Obama got 150% of the vote somewhere they should have some actual facts to support their claims but they choose to attack me for posting the facts because they claim the source is “liberal” despite the fact the webpage lists the sources which can easily be checked. Not to mention it defies logic that a GOP governor & secretary of state would not investigate a situation in which Obama got 150% vote in a county (which they actually have done & proved to be not true)

        • kmilliorn

          BobE–I appreciate that there has been a tendency to “dog-pile” on you, but name-calling adds no credibility to anyone’s argument–& generally leads to an escalation in hostilities & deterioration of discussion. You seem to have really done your homework, so stick to your guns, but stop the mudslinging. Of course, there will always be SOME controversies on which you & your opponents MAY have to “agree to disagree” instead of fighting tooth & nail to bitter frustration–have you considered that?

    • NWProgressive

      kmilliorn 
      You want adult discussion.  Fine.  
      DNC has a base that ALWAYS votes democrat.  They can rely on 35 to 40% of the vote depending on the turnout.  They have to come up with arguments to attract enough swing voters to get over 50%.  DNC is worried.  The vast majority of the DNC base is, and always has been people who receive a government check.  I don’t just mean welfare in all it’s forms.  Government workers and contractors also vote to keep the checks coming. 
      Historians can tell you how the DNC financed these checks for the last 80 years.  What no one can tell you is how the DNC will finance these checks for the next 8 years.  The bank account is empty and the credit cards are almost maxed.  DNC is printing money but that can’t be kept up much longer.
      In the late 1850’s several different groups came together to form the Republican Party.  Enemies in honest debate realized that they, for different reasons, wanted many of the same things.  Former enemies united to defeat the democrats.  The GOP, Grand Opposition Party, or Republicans then went on to build railroads and the huge industrial base that is the US of today.  By Republicans I mean the Politicians, Industrialists, and loyal voter base.
      In the 1920’s Liberals and Progressives found common ground but rather than create a new party they joined the Democrats and when FDR and the great depression came around took over the US.  The democrats were in turn taken over by Socialists in the 60’s. 
      The democrats know that they are going to have to reduce the checks.  They also know that no checks  no votes for them.  When they can no longer count on over 50% of the vote they will increase voter fraud.  2012 Obama victory was practice.  But just as importantly, they need to keep anyone else from getting 50%.
      This is where Bobejaan comes in.  All of his posts are designed to keep the various NOT DEMOCRATS angry with each other. Fundamentalist Christians are Fascist.  Ohh better hate fundamentalists.  Fundamentalist Christians believe the world is Flat.  Ohh better stay away from those stupid fundamentalists people might think I’m stupid too.  MLK was anti Semite.  Ohh that horrible Man.  I better not agree with him about equal rights people might think I’m racist.
      DNC has the media playing up everything divisive by all the not democrats.  I don’t believe Obama cares about Americans having guns.  He would like for people like me, who do not own any guns, to believe that you are all dangerous gun nuts.  Keep us fighting each other instead of Democrats.
      The crack in Ireland about Protestants and Catholics.  Democrats would love to get the American Protestants spreading hate messages about Catholics.  We had a troll on one of these threads who said Don’t’ pray to Mary or the Pope for me.  The Irish have come together against violence.  Why would Obama want to scold them?  They have proven people with deep differences can come together for peace.  Obama needs to prevent that happening in US.
      kmillion.  You asked “Could we have a CIVIL DISCUSSION here”.  Check out the responses to this post from the trolls and you will have your answer.

      • kmilliorn

        Thanks for the info–you have made a number of excellent points about what has become a seriously dysfunctional political system. What you say about both parties is only too true–which is why I belong to neither.
        The way to deal with trolls is to leave them sulking under their bridges–ignore them. Name-calling, etc, is the equivalent of trying to put out a fire with gasoline. It may require some digging to find the potentially valid, arguable points in the garbage, but there are some. Ignore anything that begins like the post just below this one (“Here is the email that you…”). If he wants to take that attitude, let him talk to himself in his mirror. You are capable of controlling the tone of the discussion here–you just proved it.

        • NWProgressive

          kmilliorn 
          Putting out fires with gasoline is very dangerous.  Where I live, the firemen use diesel.
          Bobejaan has his materials.  He has  a playbook that he cuts and pastes questions and answers out of.  When you get him out of his prepared material he makes a fool of himself and others can see what he is.  For example his reply that I was raped and am now a rapist suggest strongly that that is his personal history.  I will use that against him in the future. 
          As for ignoring his posts.  Not the best strategy.  I consider my posts to be exploratory firing.  What is the DNC response to certain arguments?  Bobejaan has the answers but You gotta poke him.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        NWProgressivekmilliorn Voter fraud by the Demon Crats began with Al Gore when he attempted to steal the election from Bush in Florida by counting “hanging chads” in his favor along with a few other tricks.  It was then perfected by the Demon Crat that became the Gov. of Washington State Christine Gregoire, using the same tactics until by wearing out her opponent and outspending him in legal fees and challenges she assumed the throne. She was the the first also in having thousands of votes come from a single address.

        Al Franken was next by just having “poll workers” “forget” about boxes of ballots they “forgot” about taking out of the trunks of their cars. Once they “remembered”, not a single vote was cast for Franken’s opposition.  That having worked they were ready for 2008 and had their “ACORN” mob squad ready to insure an ignorant Kenyan shill could be installed in the White House.  2012 was continued refinement of the fraudulent voting skills of the DNC that began with Algore, the insane.

  • sswulff

    Thanks BobE… I stuck up for your online against all the trolling and here ya go.  I guess it’s true.. you are.
    Ted Nugent has done more in defense of our second amendment right and has given more support to our troops and families that ANY American alive…..
    Shame on you.  Leave me out of your hate or I’ll just filter your garbage to my trash… where it belongs.

    • BobE

      sswulff Outside of his hit “Stranglehold” (which is a true classic) I don’t think he’s done that much other than make himself look like a buffoon

      • sswulff

        BobE sswulff  
        Have a good life.  You’ve been filtered….

    • Troubleshooter

      sswulff He’s not a troll, he’s a shill.  The level of hubristic arrogance is higher for shills.

  • Jackolyn

    No, original native born or natural born are the indigenous population. There are many distortions out there to serve political agendas. Only the original meaning is the correct one. Natural law is not man made law. And nothing but rural law can make a natural born citizen. And requires two citizens to accomplish . Nothing that requires a man made law to accomplish can be natural. It is created.

    • Troubleshooter

      Jackolyn @Jackolyn, I appreciate the best-seller you’re working on with your little treatise here, but unfortunately, neither U.S. Or International Law recognizes your definition of Natural Law to be the Legal Definition of Natural Law.  Nice try though.

      • Don39

        Troubleshooter Jackolyn Some people do not listen and do not want to learn, then they call themselves conservatives and harm us all. Thanks , maybe she will listen to you.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          Don39 Troubleshooter Jackolyn She won’t listen to anyone. Her mind is made up and she refuses to be educated by the facts.

  • jimjames

    roda you have that right.need you on the court

  • Hideurglun

    Arizona : 2 votes FOR immigration bill.  WHAT?

    • Troubleshooter

      Hideurglun Yeah…I knoooow man.  Whass going on there?  I am kinda concerned about some of the noises Jannie Brewer is making now.  They have the ring of the other sell-outs that seem willing to agree to amnesty for a promise in writing that the borders will be secured.  What anyone who has been paying attention SHOULD know, is that the lying sonsabitches will say ANYTHING and DO ANYTHING to get what they want:  20 Million New Democrat-loving Voters (who can’t even read what they vote for) to participate in the, pardon me while I vomit, “Redistribution of Wealth”, as the Commie maggots call their Extortion Plot.  Mark my words, she is going to roll-over just so she can get a li’l sump’n sump’n for AZ.  Not Good.  It seems like THERE IS JUST ABSOLUTELY EFFING NOBODY IN OFFICE THAT WE CAN TRUST, Except maybe Mark Kessler, the Police Chief in Gilberton PA who says He will Die to protect the Constitution and the Constitutional Rights of People in His Jurisdiction.  He has been very public and very vocal about His position, and he created an organization of like-minded, Law Enforcement, Ex-Military, and Civilian people who share his commitment.  It’s called The Constitutional Security Force, and they are now in most every state, AND, they are asking for volunteers, and they provide tactical and weapons training for those who join.  It’s a shame that the most outspoken advocate of our Constitution in opposition to Oshambles is a member of the Irish Parliament, a Fiery Lady who calls a spade a spade, Clare Daly.  There is a video around on the ‘net of her address to the Irish Parliament on the day that Oblowhole was over there, posturing and pretending that Kenyans come from Ireland.  Hang in there.   It will be what The Lord has said it will be.  God Bless You and Your Loved ones.