Obama Seeking to Criminalize Biblical Concept of Marriage

In 1996, the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was overwhelming passed by both the US House and Senate.  President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law and the biblical definition of marriage being between one man and one woman was protected by federal law.

In 2011, President Barack Obama violated his oath of office and the US Constitution by instructing US Attorney General Eric Holder to stop enforcing the Defense of Marriage Act.  Holder, Obama’s little puppet who is supposed to be the top cop of the country, was more than happy to carry out his handler’s instructions.

Since that time, Obama has worked long and hard at trying to destroy the biblical concept of marriage as being a holy union between one man and one woman.  He has opened the military to gays and lesbians, he has order military chaplains to perform same-sex marriage and union ceremonies and he has pushed for benefits to be given to the unmarried same-sex partners of gay military personnel even though they aren’t married.  The same benefits are to be denied to the unmarried partners of heterosexual military personnel.

Now, the Obama administration has filed a brief with the United States Supreme Court, asking them to strike down Section 3 of DOMA.  The White House claims the section is unconstitutional because it denies the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages which prevents them from extending benefits to those same-sex partners.  The benefits include health, Social Security survivors’ benefits and income taxes.

The brief filed by the Obama administration reads in part:

“Gay and lesbian people are a minority group with limited political power. Although some of the harshest and most overt forms of discrimination against gay and lesbian people have receded, that progress has hardly been uniform (either temporarily or geographically), and has in significant respects been the result of judicial enforcement of the Constitution, not political action.”

This demonstrates just how far the administration has gone to redefine the Constitution along with the Christian values our nation was founded upon.  Matt Barber, Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action says that the brief is wrong on two counts:

“Not only did the president abdicate his duty to defend a law that was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, this president has taken it a step further and he is now engaging in radical homosexual activism.”

“If people are given special, suspect minority status based on aberrant sexual feelings and behaviors, then the Christian view that says homosexual behavior is both self-destructive and immoral … essentially becomes criminalized.”

Barber also says that once Obama was re-elected, that the real man emerged from behind his political mask.  If Obama succeeds in overturning DOMA, he believes that will open the doors to mass attacks on Christianity and Christian values.  Before long, living the Christian faith will be a crime.  It has happened in Canada and the UK where people have been charged with crimes, especially hate crimes for preaching what the Bible says about homosexuality.

The wolf has emerged from the sheep’s clothing and he is ready to devour Christians and Jews alike.  Before Obama’s second term expires, I would not be surprised to see Christians and Jews being arrested and jailed on a daily basis for anything they say or do that involves defending their religion.  We will end up like the Christians in China who ended up going underground and worshiping in secret.

But not me!  I refuse to denounce my Christian faith or my Christian values.  If I’m not willing to go to jail or even be tortured for Christ sake, then I am not worthy to be called a Christian and deserve the worst possible treatment there is.  We either die with Christ or we die separated from Christ.  I know which I choose.  Where will you stand?







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  • Halo9x

    I couldn’t agree more!  It is time to stand up and be counted!

  • Markus Reborn

    I’m praying that Obama will feel God’s hand moving against his anti-Christian policies. And if he refuses to repent of them, that God would remove him from office.

  • Mary233

    Obama needs to be impeached as a traitor!  http://www.impeachpresidentobama.weebly.com

    • theUncleMike

      @Mary233 I guess you have no idea what a traitor is. And since he had committed no impeachable act, you lose there too..,

      • theUncleMike

        @RebeccaHoskins @Mary233 I tried your link but it doesn’t work..

      • theUncleMike

        @RebeccaHoskins @Mary233 I fixed it and found the article. All I can say is is something that truly belongs on Comedy Central. First, there isn’t 1 of the crazy list that would be impeachable. The “50″ are just rehashed items that have been either investigated, debunked, or just plain shown to be just plain false. As for the “Canada Free Press,” I put it right up there with the National Enquirer.. Objectivity is something they should consider..

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @Mary233  That is an ignorant statement.  Shrieking, “Nah-ah!  Nah-ah!” is NOT an argument.  The Petition quotes the legal definition of treason, and Obama’s face could be listed next to it.

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @RebeccaHoskins  @Mary233 I just tried it and it works.

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @RebeccaHoskins  @Mary233 lol  And all the useful idiots shriek, “Nah-ah!  Nah-ah!” when confronted with the truth.

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @Mary233 Wow.  Useful idiots (historical term) shriek, “Nah-ah! Nah-ah!”  because all they have is empty rhetoric (lies).

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @Mary233  Apparently, you wouldn’t know.

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @RebeccaHoskins  @Mary233  It works.

      • Mary233

        @theUncleMike  @Mary233   Apparently, you wouldn’t know.

  • Troubleshooter

    So now, Obama believes  that his opinion is more important and more acceptable than God’s Holy Word?  You know, I kinda like it when he lets stupid actions like this originate from his mouth, because we are admonished that “Life and Death is in the Power of The Tongue.”  Obama tells his through his words and actions who his master is.

    • theUncleMike

      @Troubleshooter gods holy word has nothing to do with it. He’s obligated to follow the law, not the bible. We are not a theocracy. When DOMA was passed, no state allowed gay marriage. That has changed. 9 states + DC (4 more on the verge of doing so), has now made DOMA unconstitutional. Thy reading the Courts opinion. People here like to cite the US Constitution when it suits their needs, and then toss it when it conflicts with their bible. We the US is not a theocracy and the bible is not the law. Maybe people here should remember that..

  • JeffFetrow

    Good attitude, Markus. Me, I am praying Obama will feel God’s hand as it reaches into his chest and stops his heart.

    • buzz13

      @JeffFetrow
       A great Christian attitude, t wish death on another. Have you ever read the Bible?

  • ErikOsbun

    Where do I stand?  I am for impeaching Obama and ridding America of his influence.

    • theUncleMike

      @ErikOsbun impeaching him for what, following the law? 2 US Appeals Courts have ruled DOMA unconstitutional. By the way, impeachment would do nothing as with Clinton, he wouldn’t be convicted in the Senate anyway…

      • ErikOsbun

        @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun You need to be informed more widely than DOMA.  His actions on Benghazi and Fast and Furious would start impeachment proceedings for any president without Harry Reid running the Senate.

  • laltuna

    Excuse me but I think that we all should pray for Obama and I believe that we should pray for him in a 100% biblical manner and that is according to the scriptures and so we pray,
    Lord we bow before you this day and we pray for the occupier of our White House and we do this according to yor Word in Psalm 109:8 “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

    • theUncleMike

      @laltuna that would be Biden. But since prayer accomplishes nothing, your wish will not be granted.

    • buzz13

      @laltuna
       Very Christian of you, to pray that someones life will be cut short. No wonder christians like you are to be ignored and shamed as much as possible.

  • JillLam

    It is already here… the mandate to accept giving contraception to all and asundery is despicable ~ the church & along with them condemning those businesses who are Christian!..  pitiful! I am ashamed too for our country-those who can speak for us are not!  Where are our founders when we need them–please God bless our country again.

  • Whygetmad

    @MdlMurray When will people wake up to who Obama really is and what he really believes? Jesus said we will know men by their deeds!

  • muhammed666

    Wow I guess the end times are here.  Well Obama will drag down all those that support him, thats where misery loves company. Its a shame because he and his followers are lost souls. Their destiny is enternal hell, unless they decide to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and savior. I can or we can continue to get mad and disgusted. But the power of prayer will be allot more beneficial to ourselves and the cause(s) at hand.  Keep your faith in GOD and move forrward 51% of the country has made Obama their god. AMEN ?

    • Canadian1ady

      @muhammed666 Prayer is the only thing that is going to save America now.

      • a_jetboat_man

        @Canadian1ady  @muhammed666 However I cannot rule out having to take our guns to protect the Constitution and our way of life.  This illegal usurper has got to be taken off the high horse he is trying to ride.  Hopefully we can soon get some people in Congress to do their duty and try him for Treason or Impeach him.  Our Republic cannot stand much longer without a revolution as provided in our founding documents.

        • theUncleMike

          @a_jetboat_man @Canadian1ady @muhammed666 illegal usurper??? Are you a birther nut? Obama, born in Hawaii, is our duly elected President. It’s interesting that with all the money Trump spent, he found nothing. And Sheriff Joke in AZ, with all his effort and crazy press conferences, still has come up with nothing. To all the morons who would like to visit a website that literally debunks every idiot claim, go to thefogbow.com as for the idiot claim of treason, maybe you need to look up the legal definition.. As for impeachment, on what grounds? Obama is on the high ground in regard to DOMA. 2 US Court of Appeals have ruled it unconstitutional. Maybe if you spent 10 minutes researching real facts, you might actually see reality..

        • ErikOsbun

          @theUncleMike  @a_jetboat_man  @Canadian1ady  @muhammed666 Why don’t you explore carefully the massive election fraud of 2012?  Impeachment could come from Obama’s actions on Benghazi,
          and that’s just for starters.  Uuh, and also, Sheriff Joe and others have proven fraudulent the following: Obama’s White House posted “birth certificate,” his selective service registration, and his social security number.  You or I with docs like these could never get a job.

        • theUncleMike

          @ErikOsbun @a_jetboat_man @Canadian1ady @muhammed666 You really need to do a lot better on your research. Benghazi is not an impeachable offense. As for Sheriff Joke, he’s proven nothing… nor has he done anything with the information he manufactured for idiots like you. The Birth Certificate posted was not fraudulent, nor did they prove it. It’s easy to make ridiculous claims. Maybe you need to visit a website that was done by lawyers which debunk all of the idiot claims. The site is: thefogbow.com as for your last statement. You don’t think the FBI did a security check? I would also point out that when he ran in the primary in 2008, you don’t think people in Hillary’s campaign didn’t check him out? And lastly, what about Chump Trump and all the money he spent trying to find something that isn’t there??? You are barking up the wrong tree. Of course it doesn’t address this ridiculous article that is absurdly wrong and misleading…

      • theUncleMike

        @Canadian1ady @muhammed666 prayer has gotten us nothing.

  • MaryCrum

    I will stand with Christ. Just for the record, Islam does not believe in homosexual marriage or civil union. I do believe that it carries the death penalty. Also, if homosexual partners can get benefits then the same should be for heterosexuals. That is discrimination, also. Does anyone hear Obama talking about criminalizing Islamic beliefs of marriage is between a man and a woman?

    • ErikOsbun

      @MaryCrum This is interesting: Obama defies Muslim connubial law.  Could it be that his membership in Al Sharpton’s “down low club” in Chicago and his wearing of a wedding ring before his marriage signify, as Jerome Corsi suggests, that Obama is gay?  Do his buddies in his administration, the 6 Muslim Brotherhood guys, know about this? 
       
      I’ve always said that Obama is a Muslim Marxist, the latter because of his real father Frank Marshall Davis, and the former because of his adopted father Mr. Soetoro.  Davis was not a moral man.

      • theUncleMike

        @ErikOsbun @MaryCrum so you think Obama is a Muslim? Please cite or show one, just one, an instance where Obama is shown praying to Mecca? Since one has to pray multiple times to Mecca, there should be 1 photo.. Maybe while as a US Senator, or anywhere.. When you can produce one, you might have a speck of credibility. Marriage equality has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. The USA is not a theocracy, but a SECULAR nation. Please show me where Christianity is written in the Constitution. Religion is listed only once, 1st Amendment. No one is forcing anyone to believe differently, to practice their religion differently, but conversely, one can’t force their beliefs on those who choose not to follow any religion.

        • ErikOsbun

          @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum He did so as a child in Indonesia.  A Muslim ordained by Islam has the right to lie to us to further the globalist goals of Islam.  It is a dispensation, which is in the Koran.  I don’t have to produce one shred of evidence in view of the fact that the 6 Muslim Brotherhood advisors within his administration tell him what to do.  Obama has publically defended Islam, and has kissed the hands of Muslim rulers.  If he talks like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim, and defends Islam in public, HE IS A MUSLIM.

        • theUncleMike

          @ErikOsbun @MaryCrum that’s strange because he talks like a Christian. You really need to seek serious help. As for defending Islam.. Would you like me to list all the Christians that have defended Islam? Keys start with George Bush. We could list the Pope to. Along with the Archbishop of Canterbury. There are also Jewish Rabbi’s (maybe you missed the 9/11 tribute). Your argument is about as weak as a wet noodle. What it really shows is your bigotry and anti-American views. Even if Obama was a Muslim, so what! The USA is not a theocracy as you would wish it to be… but a democratic republic, a SECULAR nation.

        • desertru

          @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum
           Mike marriage was ORDAINED by God, as between one man and one woman for all time…read, learn and stop saying what is not true!  Marriage is scared and that is why it was always perfomed in churches!!!!!  Obama was raised Muslim and you have no way of knowing what that man does in the Whitehouse behind close doors like homosexuals do also…both are dispicable!  Besides to be where he is, he could not be openly either gay or muslim because both are against the office of the presidency!!!!!  They are supposed to be moral men or women (when we get one)….and that will be the day that his country shapes up unless it is old Hillary or nappy Napolitano…then we will be a gay naiton for sure with muslims running all over and illegals of all sorts too!   What on earth is the matter with people who are such foolish fooisih thinkers…..good is good and evil is evil, period…there are no areas of gray!

        • desertru

          @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum
           Mike he says one thing and menas another…he does so to fool, cover up and lie to us…how can younot see that?  HE IS NO CHRISTIAN- I PROMISE YOU!!!  HE IS EVIL!  YOU ARE SO FUNNY AS YOUA RE THE ONE THAT IS WEAK WITH YOUR BLUSTERING AND NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK….YOU ARE COVERING YOUR INSECURITY AND LACK OF PATRIOTISM!   DO YOU KNOW THAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT ANYONE THAT IS NOT ONE OF THEM MUST CONVERT OR BE PUT TO DEATH?  DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE TREATED THE WAY MUSLIMS TREAT THEM?  DO YOU THINK THAT LITTLE GIRLS SHOULD BE MUTILATED FOR THEIR OWN INSANITY TOTALITARIAN GOVENMETNAL SYSTEM OF CONTROL?  DO YOU THINK THAT THE VIOLENCE THEY SPEW IS THE WAY TO BE…HECK NO THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN AWAR WITH THEM!   THEY ARE OUE ENEMY…AND OBAMA IS ONE OF THEM WHO WANT TO REVERT AMERICA TO ONE WORLD ORDER AND ISLAM.   READ THE BOOKS THAT OBAMA HAVE WROTTEN, LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS BETWEEN THE LINES…HE REVEALS ALOT ABOUTWHO HE REALLY IS; A BOUNDER, LIER, DISTROYER AND A FOOL!..OH AND GAY…GOOGLE HIS LIFE IN CHICAGO AND THE CLUB HE BELONGED TO..NO WONDER HE IS A DEFENDER OF THE GAY..HE IS ONE…HIS LIFE WITH OLD MICHELLE IS A FACADE……THEY ARE A JOKE!
          ISLAM IS EVERYTHING THAT CHRISTIANITY IS NOT…OR ANYONE ELSES RELIGION!   MUSLIMS HATE US, ISRAEL AND ANY OTHER FREE NATION- BECUASE THEY WANT TO CONTROL EVERYTHING AND SO DOES IDIOT OBAMA…..
           
          AHHH. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME AND INTELLECT TO TRY TO EDUCATE THOSE THAT JUST WILL NOT EVEN TRY OR ARE WILLING TO LEARN.  IF CHRISTIANS AND AMERICANS WERE NOT WILLING TO LEARN OR GROW WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD ONCE…BUT NOW WE ARE NOT ANYMORE, BECAUSE OF THE IGNORANCE OF THOSE WHO WILL NOT READ, LEARN AND DIGEST OUR FOUNDING, OUR DOCUMENTS, THE FAITH OF GOD AND THE BIBLE!

        • buzz13

          @desertru  @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum
           Can you show m in the Constitution where you find your “special” qualificatios to be President?

      • theUncleMike

        @ErikOsbun @MaryCrum that’s funny.. A Muslim Marxist.. You haven’t a clue what you’re taking about.. Ever see a picture of Obama praying? Since a Muslim prays 5 times a day.. there should be at least 1 picture.. Sure you’ll find 1!!! As for being a Marxist.. That comment belongs on Comedy Central.. You should really learn what you’re speaking about.. and stop using the idiot talking points from unAmericans like Rush

        • ErikOsbun

          @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum I do too know exactly what I am talking about.  However, I am also completely sure that YOU do not know what you are talking about.

        • theUncleMike

          @ErikOsbun @theUncleMike @MaryCrum so enlighten me.. Tell me where wrong. How many Marxist have you talked to? And a Muslim Marxist? That’s even laughable. But to proclaim Obama a Muslim shows that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. All I ask for is 1 photo of him praying. Since a Muslim must pray 5 times a day, I’m sure that someone has seen him pray.. So just 1 verifiable photo will prove it…. Until then, you lack credibility.. And as for being a Marxist.. Or a Communist, that’s just plain stupid and defies reality

        • desertru

          @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @theUncleMike  @MaryCrum
           SOME OF US ARE WELL EDUCATED AND READ….THAT IS HOW YOU FIND OUT ABOUT MUSLIMS OR ANY OTHER THING!

        • buzz13

          @desertru  @theUncleMike  @ErikOsbun  @MaryCrum
           And then there are people like you, who haven’t got a clue!

    • theUncleMike

      @MaryCrum well maybe you should look at the NY case that is before the SCOTUS. 2 women who had been together for 30+ years, were LEGALLY married, one spouse dies, and the other must pay $345,000 in estate taxes that a heterosexual couple would not have had to pay. That’s why DOMA was ruled unconstitutional. You can’t treat legally married couples differently. 14th amendment. And lastly, Obama has never advocated criminalizing marriage. The blog is absurd. The simple fact is: the USA is not a theocracy but a SECULAR country. Maybe people here forgot that if you don’t want to marry a gay person, you don’t have to!! No one is forcing you to. Nor in any state that allows for marriage equality, is any church forced to marry a gay person. The facts in this blog are incorrect… very subjective, and doesn’t meet the smell test..

  • DeanBraun

    Tearing the Constitution apart one amendment at a time is what Obama is trying to accomplish.  Boehner needs to tell congress to get off their backsides and IMPEACH OBAMA.

    • ErikOsbun

      @DeanBraun Yes indeed!

    • theUncleMike

      @DeanBraun apparently you have no concept of what impeachment is. As for tearing up the US Constitution, what the article left out is that 2 US Court of Appeals have ruled DOMA unconstitutional. Why, because it is! When DOMA passed, there were no states that allowed gay marriage. Now that 9 + DC do (and 4 more states close to it), it has made DOMA unconstitutional. Maybe you should actually read DOMA, and read the US Constitution. The arguments Mr. Barber makes are absurd. In reading the SCOTUS opinion (9-0) in the Loving v VA case regarding interracial marriage, the arguments were the same. The VA trail judge made reference to biblical nonsense and the SCOTUS slapped him down, quite forcibly. If you want to live in a theocracy, consider moving. I choose to live in a democratic republic, where the rights of all are protected.

      • stonemike

        @theUncleMike  @DeanBraun   HEY DUMMY, rulings by lower  courts mean exactly zero, the Supreme Court is the big boy! By the way, Ive always wondered how homosexuals find each other!  Any ideas!

        • theUncleMike

          @stonemike @DeanBraun ok, your ignorance is showing. Rulings by lower courts mean nothing??? Are you really that stupid? Actually the Federal Court of Appeals is actually more important. The reason: because the SCOTUS handles very few cases. The Circuit Courts handles thousands. That’s where MOST cases stop.. As for how gays meet each other… I guess it would be the sane way heterosexuals meet. Maybe you should ask one. Maybe you’ll learn something else..

        • stonemike

          @theUncleMike  @stonemike  @DeanBraun Then why is it still law dummy!

        • theUncleMike

          @stonemike @DeanBraun pretty simple, even for someone as ignorant as you. After the decision, a stay is issued in case either party wants to appeal. If neither appeal, the decision stands. However, each Circuit covers only a certain area, and it’s that area that is only covered by the decision. However, other circuits use the precedence from other circuits. It’s when 2 or more Circuits disagree that the SCOTUS takes many of their cases. However, that is not the case here. Had the SCOTUS not chosen to take the 2 cases (of 4), the NY decision & the CA Prop 8 case would have stood and DOMA would have been unconstitutional, along with marriage equality would have been legal in CA. I would point out that ALL parties wanted the SCOTUS to hear the 2 cases.

      • desertru

        @theUncleMike  @DeanBraun
         Mike it does not matter that some court said whatever….they are the lefters that are helping to trash what  is real and good about being Americans, as we were founded to be!!!    They, like Obama and his crew, dishonor the Constirtution and all of our laws and documents by their treason!    It is YOU that needs to read the documents and understand them, as they were written!   The BIBLE is the truth and the law of God…anyone that goes against it- is a fool!  Most certainly it should be honored and talked about in a court of law…it IS the law- that is why we swear on the Bible, as the truth!  Just because it bothered some fool many no longer do so.  If some of you want a nation that is against what we have always been, were founded to be and on which made us great in being that way; then go live somewhere else and stop trying to trash America!  We like it the way it was founded to be!    The way America was is the right way and was good for all until the nut cases got on their band wagons of demanded we accept deiviance, lies, corrupt government, the  taking of our money for  thiri own projects, big business running Washington with bribes …..and on and on…it will end badly and then tell me you who are doing all this against America are so right and justified in being the evil treasonous jerks that you are?

    • theUncleMike

      @DeanBraun in what grounds? Please be specific. As for DOMA, 2 that TWO Federal Appeals Courts have ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So why should the Obama administration fight for something that is clearly now unconstitutional?

    • theUncleMike

      @DeanBraun in what grounds? Please be specific. As for DOMA, 2 that TWO Federal Appeals Courts have ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So why should the Obama administration fight for something that is clearly now unconstitutional?

  • theUncleMike

    Wow!! What planet did you come from? First, your article is missing a lot of information, it seems to have missed the boat on other points. Secondly, Obama did not abdicate his responsibility to the Constitution, just the opposite. DOMA has been found to be unconstitutional by 2 U S Court of Appeals. I would also point out that a lot has changed since the passage of DOMA that had now rendered it unconstitutional.. facts seem to have escaped you. Marriage equality is now legal in 9 states and DC. Maybe you need to go back and read and study the US Constiturion. The issue has to do with equal treatment of an equal class of citizens. I would also point out that the bible has no bearing on the law. Maybe the people here want to live in a country lime Iran, a theocracy, but most Americans don’t. The US Constitution only mentions Religion once, and the last I checked, Christianity wasn’t in it at all. When DOMA was passed, no state allowed for marriage equality, but now that MANY millions of citizens can, they must be given the same rights under the 14th Amendment. I would suggest that people here who can read, read Ted Olson’s brief that was filed in support of marriage equality in the CA Prop 8 case. It’s very compelling as to why conservatives should support marriage equality. I would also suggest that one read the U S Supreme Court opinion in the 1967 Loving v. VA case that allowed for interracial marriage. A case very similar to the ban on gay marriage. The VA trial judge actually used biblical mumbo jumbo in trying to rationalize the ban on interracial marrige. Didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now. Maybe the people here need to remember that this is the 21st century, not the 16th. I would also point out that every reconcilable poll today show the majority of Americans support gay marriage. I would also point out that a recent “friend of the court” filing signed by conservatives in support of gay marriage, was filed with the Supreme Court. As one lawyer said to me: if you don’t want to marry a gay person – Don’t. But as we now allow it, they should beafforded all the rights and privileges as hererosexuals. Which means filing of joint tax returns, property rights when their spouse dies. Medical rights.. Etc.. BTW, the NY case that is going before the SCOTUS deals with 2 people who had been together for 35 years, had been legally married (a states right) but when one party died, the remaining spouse had to pay an additional $350,000 in federal estate taxes. This is a classic case of not being treated fairly under the law. As I mentioned earlier, much has changed since the passage of DOMA, which has now reserved it unconstitutional.

    • desertru

      @theUncleMike
       These changes you are talking about are against all we have ever stood for…..because they are happening- doesNOT make them right!!!….it is evil that is making this happen!  Iit is just further proof of the left, liberal, anti-moral thinking of those that have lost the real understanding of the founding of America and her exceptionalism.  We, in faith, were able to accomplish more in our short life as a nation than any other in the whole of the worold in the lonnnnnggggg time that all have been around!   We built a great nation because God is our Lord and in God We Trust….It was all for a reason and now we have lost our way into communism, socialism and anti faith with Obama and his kind!  We have lost what made us great in the first place!  AMERICA IS NO LONGER THE BEACON ON THE HILL OF HOPE THAT EVERYONE WANTED TO IMULATE …..IF WE DO NOT GET BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK; THIS NATION IS DOOMED TO FALL AND IT WILL BE A THIRD WORLD NASTY PLACE TO EXIST IN…..

  • EddyMarrero

    When are we going to criminalized him for what he is doing to this country

    • theUncleMike

      @EddyMarrero since there is nothing criminal, it appears you seem to have a problem.

      • stonemike

        @theUncleMike  @EddyMarrero Sedition against our Constitution and his failure to honor his sworn duty to protect the Constitution is treason, and hopefully, one day the American people will mete out his punishment! Maybe a MUSSOLINI MASSAGE! Im sure that is over your ‘commie’ head!

        • theUncleMike

          @stonemike @EddyMarrero what did he not honor? DOMA? That’s been ruled unconstitutional by 2 federal Appeals Courts. So what part of the U S Constitution are you talking about?

  • Fags4God

    I think that we should get rid of all the church from the state and let fags like me marry.

    • stonemike

      @Fags4God I think we should enforce the separation of church and state and get rid of ALL FAGS!  If you dummies would go about your perverted life and quit trying to trash traditional values, you’d  have a lot less hatred targeting you!

      • theUncleMike

        @stonemike @Fags4God well your anti-Christian post speaks well of your hatred of Christianity. I’m sure you feel the sane for all those who have divorced or committed adultery.. Both an abomination., is is your hypocrisy going to shine thru even more. Traditional values?? What area leads the US in divorce? The Bible Belt. As for perversion.. It seems you are perverting what Jesus preached…

        • stonemike

          @theUncleMike  @stonemike  @Fags4God Ignorance is personified when you talk s–t about folks you know nothing about ! I back most religion 100% because of the good it sometimes does, such as galvanizing our forefathers into the force that founded our nation , but I choose to remain “agnostic” and not only are you a “religious fanatic’ and “bigot’, you undoubtedly agree with ISLAM that folks have no right to live their lives as they choose! You and others like you hurt religion far more than you help it!

        • desertru

          @theUncleMike  @stonemike  @Fags4God
           Because of sin, many are a mess today!…that does not mean that God is gone or does not exist or will not judge us for our sins….It means that for now the devil is all around trashing traditional values.  God gave us free will to choose as we wish and there are many that have turned away thinking evil is better when it is to their eternal damnation that they make such foolish choices!  Sin is the evil that is trashing everything today!  There will be a judgement…watch the thing sthat are happening all over the world, especially to us becuase we were bless by God and e have failed Him in ruining a great nation!   You are right for once most peole ARE perverting what Jesus taught but that doesnot make the Word or Him any less real or right or the truth!  Sin is as powerful as faith is…it is the battle of good verses evil, period.

    • desertru

      @Fags4God
       Why do you all go around pushing your ways anyway?  You have all the same freedoms and rights that everyone has, so what is your beef?  Just because others do not accept your way of life and doing things; so what?  Go on and do as you do and let everyone else live as they do!!!!   This nonsesne of everyone HAS to accept you all is not freedom, nor is it accepted as a decent behavior….you choose to be as you are so live with it and shut the heck up because we do not care about your diviant lives.  It is your choice to be as you are, so stop gripping and shoving it on everyone!   Gays have always been around, but it has never been accepted as a decent human behavior and never will be.  We do NOT have to accept it…just as there are those that no matter will never be Christians!…..God gave us free choice so that when we do chose Him we are saved from the sins of the world.   Christians are in the world , not of it!  Homosexuallity is gross to most of us, so stay behind closed doors as most of us do with our personal lives and be happy…leave the rest of us out of your perversion!

      • theUncleMike

        @desertru @Fags4God first of all, lets get something straight, I’m not gay. As for “shoving” anything, it is you who seem to have the problem and issue of “shoving” your religion upon people. I would also point out that your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity. Gays in a LEGAL marriage DO NOT have the sane rights as a heterosexual couple. Where have you been? As for “gay behavior,” hate to burst your little bubble again, but if you did any REAL research, instead of pontificating your nonsensical gibberish. Many societies not only overlooked it, it was part of their culture. It really wasn’t until the 19th century that we looked to totally down upon it. As far as perversion, another fact if life – sodomy, which is legal, is practiced by many more heterosexuals than homosexuals. What really would be amazing if you actually knew something about reality and the real world and stop your bigoted comments. I could care less if you want to believe in fantasyland, but it’s really about time you joined the 21st century. Also, your comment about “most of the people” is wrong also. Most of the people in the US don’t care.

  • muhammed666

    Wow I wonder if Obama would see that as discrimination. There is no doubt that thats what it would be. But Obama would create some obscure way around it saying that Islam is not a religion or something ignorant like that. Right now while its conveinient Islam is a religion to obama and he is fully tied to their cause. Its really a government and cult rolled into one. The intent of Islam is to Islamize the entire world and stamp out any other religion. By any means necessary according to their  rule book the Quran.

  • JaneScroggins

    A lot of Christians voted for the Obamanation so now we are all going to have to live with it!  If  you have not read The Harbinger by Johnathan Cahn, I’d recommend it.

    • desertru

      @JaneScroggins
       THE HARBINGER IS A SUPER BOOK AND SO IS RABBI CAHN…A MESSIANIC JEWISH RABBI WHO IS A CHRISTIAN!!!   THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A JEWISH PERSON THAT ACCEPTS CHRIST; THEY ARE AMAZING!    THE SPEECH HE GAVE AT THE INAGURAL BREAKFAST HAD TO MAKE OBAMA’S EARS BURN IF HE HAS A DECENT BONE IN HIS BODY OR HIS WIFE….IT WAS AMAZING…GOOGLE HIM AND LISTEN TO HIS SPEECH…..AS HE SAYS WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY IS THAT MOST HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM THE FAITH THE NATION BEGAN ON!!!!!!  SO TRUE!!

  • theUncleMike

    The idiocy of the blog is astonishing. How is not defending the unconstitutional DOMA have anything with criminalizing biblical marriage? The fact is, where marriage equality exits, not one religious order is forced to marry a gay person. This is nothing but a red herring. And the final paragraphs are even more absurd, no, they are just plain stupid. Arresting Christians and Jews.. Where do you get these crazy ideas? No one is forcing anyone to marry anyone. However, advocating physical harm against someone is a crime. Of course we should point out the hypocrisy of Christians. They love to pick and choose what they want to follow, and they love to interpret the bible to suit their needs. FYI, what area if the USA leads the nation in divorce??? The Bible Belt! People like Newt “serial adulterer” Gingrich, lead the pack. He never met an aide he didn’t love, even having an affir while castigating Clinton.. Been divorced twice – a sin.. And having multiple affairs – a sin.. These were conscience decisions. Being gay is not. I doubt if there is one person on this board who lives a life like Jesus.. Jesus never preached against homosexuality.. People here judge people, yet Jesus preached against that. And for the people who try to being Islam into this, Christians are no better in trying to bring their religion to other areas, trying to convert all.. So many here like to preach their “love” yet show their hate… Hypocrisy is the norm, not the exception. But I must reiterate, the USA is not a theocracy (as much as the crazy people would like it to be), but a SECULAR country, where ALL religions can flourish.

    • desertru

      @theUncleMike hold it…it is not us that say what is the truth; the Bible does which is the enherant word of God!   There are the Ten Commandments is the Law…It is GOD”S laws that we must follow not mans…..it is people that have trashed everything decent and make up their own rules as they go along….ONLY God’s Word is the truth!   Remember wat happened to the world in Noah’s day, to Sodum and Gamorah, and will happen again to us….if you are not a Christina you will spend eternity in Hell……AND YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY AND GOD OR JESUS; IT SAYS RIGHT IN THE BIBLE THAT HOMOSEXUALLITY IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD!!!  IT IS VIAL AND EVIL AND UNHUMAN!!!!    IT IS NOT THAT WE CHRISTIANS ARE SO PERFECT…FAR FROM IT!!! T IS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE SINNERS AND THAT JESUS DIES ON THE CROSS FOR ALL SIN FOR ALL TM EFOR ALL PEOPLES…..WE ARE TO LIVE AS BEST WE CAN AND STRIVE TO BE CHRIST-LIKE BUT THA TIS IMPOSSIBLE AS ONLY JESUS WAS PERFECT….WE ARE JUST TRYING TO LIVE OUT THE TRUTH WE KNOW AND WERE ASKED BY THE LORD TO SHARE THAT WITH ALL WE CAN AS OUR COMMISSION…AND THAT IS WHAT WE DO HERE AND WHEREVER IT IS NEEDED.   WE LOVE YOU MIKE AND WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT WE DO IS ALL….IF YOU TURN FROM THE TRUTH, THAT IS YOUR DECISION, BUT IT IS A FOOLISH ONE….CHIRSTIANS NEVER SAY THEY ARE SO WONDERFUL; JUST SAVED FROM IT ALL- BECAUSE WE BELIEVE….HE LOVES US ALL JUST THE WAY WE ARE AND CLEANSES US FROM OUR SINS.   IT IS NOT HIPOCRACY; IT IS FAITH….IT IS CALLED FAITH!
      IT IS NOT HATE TO STAND BY THE TRUTH OF FAITH IN GOD AND THE LORD!   AMERICA WAS FOUNDED BY FAITH ON CHRISTIAN VALUES WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT….JUST READ HISTORY AND DO NOT LOOK FOR LIES……GOOGLE JOHN BARTONS FACTS ABOUT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS…..READ OUR DOCUMENTS THAT MENTION THE CREATOR AND FAITH AND GO TO WASHINGTON AND SEE ALL THE PLACES THAT GOD IS MENTIONED—EVEN RIGHTIN THE CAPITOL ROTUNDA!  THAT IS WHY THE PILGRIMS CAME TO AMERICA; FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!  IT IS NOT A THEOCRACY, WE CHOSE TO BE PEOPLE OF FAITH AND ONCE AMERICA WAS, UNTIL SHE LOST HER WAY AND THE LIBERAL NONSENSE GOT A HOLD WITH THE DEVIL TO RUB IT IN…NOW MOST DO NOT EVEN SET FOOT INSIDE A CHURCH, WHICH IS SO SAD.    AGAIN YOU JUST DO NOT ‘GET IT’…BUT IT IS THE ONE THING IN LIFE THAT YOU SHOULD TRY TO FIND AND ACCEPT…….IT IS THE BEST THING YOU WILL EVER- EVER DO!   TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN AND LOVE THE WAY HE DOES AS BEST AS OUR FEEBLE HUMAN BRAINS AND HEARTS ARE ABLE TO THAT IS ….THANKFULLY WE HAVE A LORD THAT LOVES US AND DIED FOR US SO THAT WE CAN GO TO HEAVEN AND LIVE ETERNALLY IN PERFECT PEACE!   OTHER RELIGIONS ARE NOT OF GOD, THEY ARE OF THEIR OWN MAKING SO THEY ARE NOT OF THE TRUTH…ONLY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST WILL GAIN YOU THE TRUTH.   THER IS ONLY ONE GOD, ONE TRUTH AND ONE WAY TO REACH HEAVEN; THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.  PERIOD, END OF DEBATE!  AMEN

      • theUncleMike

        @desertru your debating skills are sorely lacking. You make the false premise that the bible is the only way and is 100% correct. Well you may believe in fairy tales, I do not, along with most people on earth. But even to give you some slack, the word abomination has been interpreted several ways. In reading Leviticus, Deut. and other books of the bible, divorce, adultery, eating pork & shellfish, talking back to your parents, rounded haircuts, tattoos, are all abominations or sins… Btw, Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Maybe he was gay. But to put a stop to your rant: one has to accept your premise as fact, which it isn’t, and if one doesn’t, it renders your argument moot. You may believe in fairy tales. That’s your right. I prefer to believe in reality. Now go take your medication before you bust a blood vessel..

        • dieseldad60

          @theUncleMike  So you keep mentioning this “reality”?  What is real Uncle Mike and how do you know it is real? You say the Bible is a fairy tale and then try to use it like it’s “real”.   Is reality only what you can see/touch/smell,- physical or is there something beyond the physical that is real as well?  Is morality real?  Can you feel it, touch it or see it?  If not (and you presume all reality is real), then your morality is a fairy tale as well isn’t it?  I choose my fairy tale and you can have yours – wow do you feel better?
           
          And BTW, those were the old testament ceremonial laws made obsolete by Christ.  Christ himself was the fulfillment of the law.  But you are wrong when you say Christ never mentioned homosexuality (although not directly).  He did however defend marriage as between one man and one woman in Matthew 19:3-12.  Which makes sense since God created man, woman and marriage.  There are many other places where Jesus discussed sexual immorality and what defiles a person.  Now Christ being the fulfillment of all law would certainly know that sexual immorality included homosexual behavior as defined in the Old Testament. 
           
          John 1:17 “For the law was given through Moses;grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”
           
          I pray for God’s grace to shine upon you Uncle Mike….

      • Barnacle

        @desertru @theUncleMike Pay no attention to uncle mike he is not here. His only purpose is to shutdown other views. Go on without paying any attention to his shutdown.

        • stonemike

          @Barnacle  @desertru  @theUncleMike @ Barnacle-my suggestion to deal with “non useful” posters like Uncle Mike is to totally ignore him, we “sensible posters’ on another site finally had to do that to a guy ! If you dont respond to his lunacy, he can only talk to himself!

        • theUncleMike

          @stonemike @Barnacle @desertru Stoney- I don’t care if you don’t respond or not. You can cite any biblical response you want, but what you can’t change are actual facts. The article is factually incorrect. What it appears is that all people here want to do is “preach to the choir,” and not deal in reality or facts. What is apparent is that many here just make up facts to fit their argument. The writer of the article apparently has an agenda and has no problem in making up a story to enhance his warped sense of reality. You can take your religious view of marriage, even though marriage is nothing more than a contract between 2 parties. One does not need religion to get married as we see millions of people yearly get married by a clerk or JP in a civil ceremony. The facts are very simple: there are millions who so not subscribe to your religion regardless whatever it might be. We are a SECULAR nation. Our forefathers recognized this, thus the 1st Amendment. It is the perversion by manly evangelicals that have tried to destroy the 1st Amendment. What they want is a theocracy, not a democratic republic. No one is stopping one from practicing their faith. But after reading the many responses here, they are no better than than what we see Muslims practicing their faith. We also see time and again, Christians unwilling to let a Mosque be built, even though it’s one’s 1st Amendment’s right to do so.

      • theUncleMike

        @desertru FYI, I don’t need to go to Washington, I live here. As for your “John Barton,” do you really mean David Barton? The writer of “the Jefferson Lies?” If so, he has been discredited by so many that he has little if not any credibility. I did read some of his work, and only goes to show that one can print just about anything, no matter how absurd it is. He tris to fit a square peg into a round hole. Your sense if history does not comport with reality. FYI, “In God We Trust” was made our national motto in 1956, long after our country was founded. “Under God” was added to the Pledge in 1954, 62 years after it was written, written by a DEVOUT socialist! Both “Under God” & “In god we trust” was more in response to communism than anything else. As for our forefathers being religious, most were. Many were deists, those who beloved in a god, just not Christianity. God can be found in Islam and Judaism. It’s your belief that one must go thru Jesus that many people who believe in a supreme being do not agree with. You can capitalize all the words you want, try to make up facts that don’t exist, but it doesn’t change reality, something you are not familiar with.

        • Badabing32745

          @theUncleMike I missed the debate between William F. Buckley, Jr. and Madeleine Murray O’hare. Wonder what it would be like to see you discussing any issues with C.S. Lewis or Buckley. Totally hypothetical I know, but I can still dream. That ability is one thing left in this snippet-driven, Constitutional Republic.
          And one man’s reality is not another’s. We all have different points of view. One’s ability to assimilate on the basis of experience, size of cortices, non-linear
          thinking and ability to observe a subject from a variety of mental “platforms” would take this discourse past our cognitive, belief-based, flow-chart logic, into the heady new science of emergence. Watch your paradigms M.

    • cyoder

      @theUncleMike Not forced to marry gay people? Not true. It is already true in Canada and has started in this country.

  • muhammed666

    @theUncleMike Uncle when do you think we will get a president of the United States? Its been over 4 years now. This guy that holds office is merely the president of the demoncratic glee club. He has no, none, zero concern whether he lives up to the oath of office. He either thinks he is muhammed or allah- Personally I think he is Allah- Satans god. Why the concern over protecting one of our founding bibilcal principles Mike ? Only someone full of hate would have problems with marriage being between a man and a woman. You have to remember Mike, God wants you to have eternal life to. But you are sucked in to all of these temporal and trivial trappings of the common man. Why ? Because you dont seek and you dont ask. You are strung along the highway of darkness. Remember Mike , Physical life is very short.  In the whole scope of time our human lives are no longer than a burst of steam coming off a tea pot. Then its over. We go off into eternal life. Its the fork in the road that your setting up for yourself right now- heaven blissful eternal life with God, or hell Satans demons, wailing and the gnashing of teeth for eternity. Whats it going to be for you Mike ? Eternal damnation or blissful eternity ?  You really need to decide Mike I hope you decide that you have a place in God’s kingdom for eternity.   GodBless

    • theUncleMike

      @muhammed666 I started to read you idiotic post but realized how stupid it was. First, you make your assumption that one should believe in fairy tales. Since I don’t accept the premise of your god, it makes the rest of your post meaningless. As this is the USA, there is nothing wrong with your misbelief is a fairy tale. As Mr. Obama is sworn to uphold the US Constitution, not the bible. He is the President of the USA, a secular nation, not a theocracy as you would like it to be.

      • desertru

        @theUncleMike  @muhammed666
         It is you that are pointless because you are trying to talk aboUT something you totally do not understand…believe me MR, God is not fairy tale and trust me; you will come up against something in your life that brings you to your knees and you will WISH you had God in your life….HE IS ALL THAT IS RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING AND LOVES YOU AND WANTS YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH TOO!   Don’t close your heart and mind in ignorance; better yet read, research, learn and let Him in…..don’t’ fight with Him; accept him and ask Him into your heart….only if you really want mean it will He show Himself to you; BUT HE WILL AND IS VERY REAL!!
         
        PS;  OBAMA IS EVIL AND THE WORST DISGRACE TO EVER HAPPEN TO AMERICA….HE LIES; SAYS ONE THING AND DOES JUST THE OPPOSITE AND IS FOR ALL THE IMMORAL THINGS JUST AS SATAN IS!….HE AND THAT WIFE OF HIS ARE JUST TRASHING THIS NAITON WITH THEIR EVIL!  NOT THE ONLY ONES TO HAVE DONE SO, BUT FOR SURE THE WORST ONES TO.  THEY WANT US TO BE A COMMUNIST NATION WITH ISLAM AS THE NATIONAL RELIGION…TOTALITARIANISM TO THE MAX AND NO FREEDOMS AT ALL; US THE SURFS AND HE THE KING.  HE STOLE THE ELLECTION AND THERE IS A MASSIVE VERY DARK BUNCH THAT ARE DOING THIS WITH THE HELP OF SATAN AND HAVE BEEN PLANNING TO TAKE THE WORLD TO A SINGLE GOVERNANCE ….JSUT AS IT SAYS INT HE BIBLE….PREDICTED WHEN SATAN TRYS TO TAKE OVER…..WAKE UP THE END IS COMING!

        • theUncleMike

          @desertru you really need your medication. You’re really way out there in right field. Did they not let you Y with the toys? Your rant only demonstrates your anti-Christian attitude. You’d make Jesus proud.. Not. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity and hatred. If your post fm had any semblance of logic, reality, or even an ounce of objectivity, I would consider giving you some credibility, but it doesn’t. So internally can’t take you seriously. Come back when you actually know a little US history

        • buzz13

          @desertru  @theUncleMike  @muhammed666
          Apparently your belief in God does not include aiding by the teachings in the Bible. I could have sworn there was something in there about not lying, treating others as you wish to be treated, loving your neighbor, etc. Your beliefs are pretty shallow and then you have the audacity to try to preach to others. Look up what your God thinks about hypocrisy.

      • cyoder

        @theUncleMike  @muhammed666 
        When is he going to start doing it?

  • muhammed666

    @theUncleMike  Ok Uncle Mike . Thanks

  • http://www.amazon.com/The-Ordinance-James-R-Hoehn/dp/1449559301 ReasonRules

    America was not founded on Christian principles. Quite the opposite. It was founded upon rational principles which is a far cry from Christian principles. Once the lie starts people just repeat it because it sounds good. There is nothing rational at all about any religion, especially Christianity. I will not stand with Christ, or any other phony religious symbols, nor will I stand with a philosophically demented president. I will stand on reason, as no one seems to think that way anymore, and they rely their on religion and mystic faiths to heal all problems. It’s the mystic faiths that have caused every war, famine, and crisis ever since religions were invented centuries ago. When we form social economic systems on beliefs in phony religions, they will end in total destruction. Obama is forming his policies on the phony beliefs of his mentor Rev Wright. Religion, and other highly flawed moralities and teachers, and  again it will ruin us. There is only one way to get out of this problem, is to get rid of false beliefs, and get back to what this country was founded on. Rational thinking. The founders were not Christians, and indeed took a dim view of Christianity. Religion is not what made America, Reason, Individualism, and Capitalism made America, not mysticism, altruism or collectivism. Obama and his minions, and most people in the country, would disagree with me, but that is exactly why this country is going to down the drain, and fast. Keep trying to fix problems with your religions, and you will perish. Religions are, and always have been, the number one root source of every problem, but no one can see it. Religions are the biggest fraud, beside the federal government, that has ever been perpetrated on man.

    • theUncleMike

      @ReasonRules about the only thing I agree with you is that many of our forefathers were not actually Christian but desists. Many believed in a Supreme being, just not Christianity. Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible, taking out the “miracles.” As for Rev Wright & Obama, that’s is just your opinion, one not based on fact. I also agree with your last statement about religion and fraud. Though most of your post has nothing to do with the falsehood of this article. Obama is not criminalizing anything, just the opposite. This crazy article has so many falsehoods that the writer really needs to seek forgiveness for all the falsehoods stated. But then he’s just feeding “red meat” to all the lemmings here..

      • desertru

        You are way off base….get real and learn the truth!   God is the reason America excelled and now that so many are stupidly turning away from faith, He is removing the blessings He gave us….I challenge you to study, read and learn that God loves even people like you and the Lord died on the cross for you too…..there is NO freedom like faith in God and Jesus the savior of us humans that are basically jsut one sin away from death forever and yet he forgave us…….join the family and learn the truth…You will be glad you did!  May He enter your heart and show you the way to being saved!   There is intelligence and their is ignorance; Intelligence is faith, ignorance is satan!
         
        PS: America was founded on Christian values and there is proof; another thing you should research!

        • theUncleMike

          @desertru WOW. Your rant is absurd. You really must have flunked history. Did you learn it from a comic book? Why do you think Thomas Jefferson wrote about the separation of Church & State? As for “Christian Principles,” it’s really just common sense. 99% of what you wrote is pure bunk, doesn’t pertain to the article, and is very little value. I would suggest that you do a little “grown up” research on Thomas Jefferson. He was a deist and was a Unitarian. And you can Google the “Jefferson Bible” it would be nice if there were a few more adults here…

        • john811c

          @theUncleMike  @desertru Yes the Jefferson bible which was written latter in his life was nothing more than taking the scriptures and with a razor knife cutting and pasting them in the order that was most pleasing to him. Yes they are scriptures from the bible but also interspersed with his outlook on things.  During the revolution there was never anything in the constitution that defined a separation of church and state doctrine. What his intent was as expressed in his letters was that he did not want the new Country to be like England, or Europe which each country had an official religion. Instead he though it was in best interest to not establish an Official religion and that each should worship the creator in his own manner and way and not have it dictated by the state.

        • USA1776

          @theUncleMike  @desertru Jefferson wrote about “Separation of Church and State” as a response to the Danbury Baptists in 1801.  They were concerned that the Anglican church would be the official state church, as was the case in England.  Although Jefferson was a practicing Anglican, he did not want an official state church.  That is what he was referring to.  Also, keep in mind that when he founded the University of Virginia, even though it was founded as a state university it was not entirely secular, but transdenominational.  He wanted not just Anglicans but Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and even Jews to have a seat at the table.  People later misrepresented his not wanting his Anglican church to be the official church to be hostility to religion.  Please, don’t fall for any more of these lies about how the founders hated Christianity.  It was a very important part of their lives.  If it was not important to Jefferson and the founders, then why did he sign the Declaration of Independence “in the year of our lord 1776,” referring to the birth of Christ?

        • ttpog

          @theUncleMike  @desertru Uncle, it is you that needs to do some legitimate research.  The United States was founded on more Biblical principles than any nation in history – the secret to America’s greatness. Those principles originally permeated our educational system, courts, public life, religious life, and economic system, producing what has been called traditional values. The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that they were establishing a new nation based soundly on the laws of God as the opening paragraph shows. The oft wrongly used ‘wall of separation’ was referring to a wall that kept government out of the church – NOT church or church people out of government. Jefferson wanted religion protected.  The first amendment was written specifically to protect religious and moral values and symbols of our public life, NOT to eradicate them.
           
          Try reading original works that have the words of the Founders themselves in them, instead of what someone else says or thinks about the Founders.  Enlightenment…..it is a wonderful thing…..try it!

        • buzz13

          @desertru
           Are you telling me that the buying and selling of other human beings is a Christian value?

      • ttpog

        @theUncleMike@ReasonRules
        Uncle…Oh little man, not so! The founders of this great nation were deeply religious men. The signers of the U.S. Constitution were orthodox members of one of the established Christian communions. Approximately twenty-nine Anglicans, sixteen to eighteen Calvinists, two Methodists, two Lutherans, two Roman Catholics, one lapsed Quaker and sometime Anglican, and one open Deist – Dr. Franklin who attended every kind of Christian worship, called for public prayer, and contributed to all denominations. He also rose to make the famous plea at the Constitutional Convention: that prayers be held in the assembly every morning before delegates proceeded with the agenda. Prayers have opened both houses of Congress ever since. If there was a ‘closet secular humanist’ in the group, you can be sure he kept his true beliefs hidden from the people.
         
        Among the more than three million Americans at the time of the Revolutionary War and the writing of the Constitution, Protestant Christianity was the dominant philosophical force. The United States was founded on more Biblical principles than any nation in history – the secret to America’s greatness. Those principles originally permeated our educational system, courts, public life, religious life, and economic system, producing what has been called traditional values. The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that they were establishing a new nation based soundly on the laws of God as the opening paragraph shows. The oft wrongly used ‘wall of separation’ was referring to a wall that kept government out of the church – NOT church or church people out of government. The first amendment was written specifically to protect religious and moral values and symbols of our public life, NOT to eradicate them.
         
        America IS a Christian nation, but not because it was founded as such, rather due to the fact that its Founding Fathers were either Christians or had been influenced throughout their entire lives by the Christian consensus that surrounded them. It was so much a part of national life that it couldn’t help but affect the thinking of the Founding Fathers as they laid the foundation for this nation. The more than three million citizens who shared in the founding of this republic were not only Christian, but also overwhelmingly Protestant, and it remained so until the mid-1800′s. The culture of America two hundred years ago was overwhelmingly Christian. When they spoke of religion they meant the Christian religion. When they mentioned morality it was what we know as the Judeo-Christian moral code. When they referred to education they meant learning from a God-centered base that made ample use of the Bible. And nowhere is that Christian consensus more prevalent than in the field of law as evidenced by the major legal documents in use at the time the fifty-five delegates founded this nation.

    • Rory T

      @ReasonRules
      Wow.  Amazing.  So the Declaration Of Idependence is talking about Bhuda, Chrishna or Mohamid?   If not the “God of the Bible”  then which one is “self evident”?  Peace.

      • theUncleMike

        @Rory T @ReasonRules hate to burst your bubble but Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He believed in a Supreme being, but not Christianity (as many of our forefathers were deists). TJ thought so highly of the bible that he rewrote it. Why so you think the UVA that he founded does not have a school of Divinity? Better luck next time…

        • desertru

          @theUncleMike  @Rory  @ReasonRules
           Uncle Mike what is your problem?….realize that there is mighty strength in faith!  Once you open that blocked heart of yours and see the trut,h you will  be amazed at how different you will feel and think.  I pray that you receive faith and become one with the family!  Those that do not know make such sad statements because they are truly un-informed.

        • theUncleMike

          @desertru @Rory @ReasonRules please don’t pray for me. Use your time more wisely, like learning reality.. As for uninformed.. I don’t know about you, but I’ve taken many religious courses., I would challenge you to disprove 1 item I’ve stated with fact. As for what is my problem? What problem is that? The article is blatantly false. Is it the truth you seek? The article sure isn’t it. It really needs to be re-written by someone who believes in fact not fiction. It makes up facts where none exist. Obama criminalizing what? Maybe people here forgot but laws are passed by Congress and not the President.

        • cyoder

          @theUncleMike  @Rory  @ReasonRules Appealing to Thomas Jefferson is an act of desperation. He was very much an exception among the Founding Fathers, most of whom were active Christians and several were ministers. The few who have been classified as deists still prayed to God for help, not a typical action for true deists.

        • USA1776

          @cyoder  @theUncleMike  @Rory  @ReasonRules Jefferson was himself an active Christian.  He had friends in the clergy and was an Anglican but attended services of various denominations.  He just did not want an official state church. This is why he wrote to the Danbury Baptists and said not to worry, there is a “separation of church and state” that prevents the Anglican Church from being the official church as in England.  That is not hostility to religion, but has been twisted by so many people through the years for political gain.  Jefferson actually spent Federal money on programs to teach Indians about Christianity, and rode his horse every Sunday from the White House to the Capitol, where Christian services of various denominations were held well past the Civil War.  Look it up:)

        • ttpog

          @theUncleMike  @desertru  @Rory  @ReasonRules 
          Ummmm……..Unclemike, that would be obama that forgets (flat out ignores) that laws are passed by Congress and not the President.  Get it right.

        • ttpog

          @theUncleMike  @Rory  @ReasonRules  Sorry Uncle, but the founders of this great nation were deeply religious men. The signers of the U.S. Constitution were orthodox members of one of the established Christian communions. Approximately twenty-nine Anglicans, sixteen to eighteen Calvinists, two Methodists, two Lutherans, two Roman Catholics, one lapsed Quaker and sometime Anglican, and one open Deist – Dr. Franklin who attended every kind of Christian worship, called for public prayer, and contributed to all denominations. He also rose to make the famous plea at the Constitutional Convention: that prayers be held in the assembly every morning before delegates proceeded with the agenda. Prayers have opened both houses of Congress ever since. If there was a ‘closet secular humanist’ in the group, you can be sure he kept his true beliefs hidden from the people.  If this was the behavior of diests, I think today’s secularists have the definition wrong.

      • USA1776

        @Rory T   @ReasonRules The Declaration of Independence was signed by Jefferson “in the year of our lord 1776.”  A direct reference to Christ.  Case closed.  Rory, I accept your apology in advance for perpetuating lies about America’s founders in advance.

    • ErikOsbun

      @ReasonRules Dude, you have some problems hereabouts whether or not you attend a Cristian church.  To resolve your dilemma you should simply read Christ’s sermon on the mount.

      • theUncleMike

        @ErikOsbun @ReasonRules as this would prove what?? I’ve read the sermon on the mount.. So what is your point??

    • USA1776

      @ReasonRules Yes, America was founded on Christian principles.  Keep in mind that religious services were allowed in the US Capitol until the 1870s.  Thomas Jefferson approved of government funds for teaching Indians about Christianity.  The Constitution was signed “in the year of our lord 1787.”  Even after statehood, many states still had official state churches.  What the founders wanted was no state church, like in England, but they very strongly influenced by Christian values.  In Colonial New England, politicians went to churches of different denominations and explained how their values, if elected, would reflect Christian values.  Christianity was a very important component to the making of America.

  • FeatherWolfGD

    @sokeijarhead Well that’s what happens when you have a pres accepting money from demons like Beyonce and her consort.

  • ktompapa083

    @sokeijarhead Will this ever end? Obama needs to be booted out of our WH.

  • lokiswife

    All his blathering and finger pointing is just to keep America distracted from the real story: Benghazi! Legal experts have said that there is enough evidence in the information on Benghazi now to start impeachment proceedings. As long as he can keep up a constant stream of attacks on America, people will be too busy to remember Benghazi. If all the people who voted NOBAMA stood up and demanded action on Benghazi, we have a chance to take our country back from that vile person in the White House….

    • theUncleMike

      @lokiswife you seem to be the vile one. Legal experts? Please name them. As for impeachment, do you really understand what it is? I would point out that even if the do nothing House were to vote for impeachment, he would never be convicted in the Senate. The House will not even consider an Impeachment Resolution anyway.. There’s nothing there to consider…

  • pguild01

    Impeach Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the brouhaha in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012.  Impeach Eric Holder for “Fast and Furious” and many other illegal activities.  Barack Obama stole the November 6, 2012 election for U.S. President, so inaugurate Mitt Romney as U.S. President.  The election for  which he should have won.  Peter Guild, Quincy, MA.

    • theUncleMike

      @pguild01 you need to take your medication.. Obama stole the election? Mitt sure disagrees with you. What you are is just a sore loser. Doesn’t go to the article which is absurdly stupid and way off base factually..

      • dcjdavis

        @theUncleMike I do seem to recall Mitt saying something about not being able to compete with all the freebies Obama tossed out. So I guess that while Obama can’t exactly be said to have stolen the election, he can be said to have bought it….but with whose money? Of course, all such opinions only matter if a person still has any faith whatsoever in the so-called election process. I don’t. I think it’s all for show these days. The powers that be…you know?

  • Assoc7

    @VeronicaCoffin …could he be http://t.co/2lXYRIm9sx

  • ELLE_A_Holic

    He shall burn in HELL! @VeronicaCoffin

  • desertru

    Totally shows what a realy stupid person Obama is….good heavens who wants to be against what GOD has to say!   Obama cannot rewrite what is so….he makes me so sick!  I detest him for the idiot he is!

    • theUncleMike

      @desertru is that a joke? Your anti-Christian attitude is showing. First, the article is not correct. Secondly, Obama is the President of the USA, not your minister. Since the USA is a secular nation, the bible is not the law of the land, but just another book.

      • xron2

        @theUncleMike  @desertru It’s a little pass time for you to pack for your sleep over with Obama, so enjoy it!

      • LisaHavens

        @theUncleMike  @desertru
         Our country was founded as a Christian nation. That does not mean everyone is christian. The founders did not establish a theocracy. Our foundation is christian. Many laws were taken from the bible. Our financial system was from the bible. In the beginning of this country preachers would address Congress to inform them what the bible had to say about a subject, before legislation was voted on. The first Congress had bibles printed for use in public schools. Some of the same men who signed the Constitution or voted for ratification. Christainity gave us self-rule. We were the greatest nation in the world. Sadly, we are destroying ourselves.

    • buzz13

      @desertru
       
      19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
       
      You come off as such a “good” christian (sarc).

  • xron2

    Why is that Homosexual,Bast*rd Muslim not in prison?

  • Barnacle

    Uncle mike’s comments to shutdown opinion is like termites in you house, the destruction of something positive. Pay no attention to his comments and he will go away.

    • MaryCrum

      @Barnacle Thank you.

    • theUncleMike

      @Barnacle to the contrary, what debate have I shut down? Simple fact is that the article is false. The only people who can pass actual criminal law is Congress. And please cite ANY legitimate quote where Obama stated what the author purports. It’s just not factual.

      • cyoder

        @theUncleMike  @Barnacle Passing criminal law is one thing, enforcing it is another. Eric Holder is violating the checks and balances built into the Constitution by going against the will of Congress.

  • ronifer

    Obama was brought up as a Muslim.  The qu’ran allows Muslim cult members to lie in order to achieve their goals. Obama has been lying since his first day in office ! Some choice to be the U.S.
    president ! WOW – what a costly mistake !

    • theUncleMike

      @ronifer facts seem to escape you. He was mostly brought up a Christian. Don’t let facts get in your way.. He moved back to the US in 5th grade.

      • Meeha

        @theUncleMike  @ronifer In order to live in and go to school in Indonesia you must be Indonesian thus forfeiting any other citizenship. “It’s their Law” Which means he had to reapply for US Citizenship when returning to America. In to doing so it is why he SS # is fake, he nor his mother reapplied and that means as not being a US citizen he is unable to sit in the seat he now sits in. Which is why when he went to his first US college here he received his aid as a foreign student and why that is seal for privacy. He could not have left the country to go to a closed country to US Citizens unless he traveled under a different passport, which he did. Being homosexual and Muslim is not a crime in America. However let him bring it to Iran and see how he would be treated. We all know the Qur’an allows for lies and deceit so he is just following his religious beliefs. Nothing wrong with that right. What is wrong however is the voting rights of people who are on Government subsidy; aside from SS, these individuals should not have the right to vote. Anyone who can vote themselves a raise should not be allowed to vote. Everyone who does vote needs to have a pictured ID. showing a valid address in that voting district to match their drivers license and one other form of ID. We do that in order to get a drivers license here in show enough ID to garner 6 points, in order to be a licensed driver in my state.

        • theUncleMike

          @Meeha @ronifer Meeha- hate to burst your bubble, but your knowledge of immigration law is totally incorrect. You must have gotten it from comic books or Fox News. Obama, being born in the USA, does not lose his citizenship, nor can his parents give it away. Since he came back for 5th grade, he never had to reapply as he never lost it. Though the US does not recognize duel citizenship, many countries do. Much of the rest of your post is also factually incorrect. His mother did not lose her citizenship. His SS# was transposed by someone in SS. If you don’t think the FBI did a complete background check on him, you live in fantasyland. Before you post items as fact, maybe you should actually do a little research. Call an immigration lawyer, or better yet, call ICE. They would be willing to set you straight.

        • ronifer

          @theUncleMike  @Meeha  @ronifer Sorry but the Hawaian Registrar has admitted that there is no legal record of Obama’s birth there.  He has stated that the birth certificate shown by  the White House is COUNTERFEIT ! Also, no record of BOTH of his parents being born in the U.S., Also, his Selective Service card was found to also be counterfeit. Never in U.S. history has there been so much suspicion that a sitting president is a FRAUD !

        • SusanWilliams

          @theUncleMike    
           Really???  What about his foreign aid funding for college since he was not a US citizen???  You can’t have it both ways…  not that it matters… he’s already “fundamentally transformed” America into a socialistic country.  The damage is already done.

        • steve holmes

          @ronifer  @theUncleMike  @Meeha I think you read the same article that I read. Unfortunately, that article has no references. Just to check it out, myself, I wrote to the registrar, Alvin Tonaka, to ask about it. That was a few weeks ago. I even went to his “Linked In” page to ask. In both cases, he ignored my request for TRUTH on the matter.

        • theUncleMike

          @ronifer @Meeha that is so made up, it’s not factual. To say there is no record of his mom not being born here is also a lie. And every one knows his father was born in Kenya. Your ignorance is about as big ad the Empire State Building

        • buzz13

          @Meeha  @theUncleMike  @ronifer
           Exodus: 16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor”.
           
          It’s amazing how many times this statement applies.

      • SusanWilliams

        @theUncleMike  @ronifer
         LOL!!!   Yes, but the people that raised him hated the US.  He thought highly of his father, and yearned to be near him  – hence “Dreams of My Father”.  He is NOT a Christian.

    • stonemike

      @ronifer Actually, the koran, which I’ve read, doesnt just allow LYING and DECEIT, but encourages it!  Folks need to research what I call the Progressive Manifesto which is sort of a conglomeration of deranged theories and militant actions to be taken to subjugate free people! All  freedom loving folks should read the writings of Professors Cloward and Piven, Saul Alinsky, Cass Sunstein, and the rest of obammis CZARS!

      • stonemike

        @ronifer Sorry, I was dressing for work and posted the above opinion before it was finished! What I meant to do was point out the overwhelming similarities between islam and PROGRESSIVISM!

    • DrBlairSandburg

      @ronifer “Obama has been lying since his first day in office!”
       
      You must be joking.  He started =long= before that!  LOL!

    • buzz13

      @ronifer
       Exodus:  16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

  • Florida Jim

    This is all a part of the democratic and communist plan to destroy america. # 26 “present homosexuality as normal”
    Here is the website to check:http://www.westernjournalism.com/how-democrats-are-implementing-the-communists-plan-to-destroy-america/
    This is a long standing plan taking years but very close with Obama and weak Republicans. When we lose freedom in america it is lost everywhere. Wake up before it is too late.

  • UncleRichie

    What Social Security Survivor’s benefits? My wife passed away and because we didn’t have any children, I received a letter stating that because of this, I would receive a one time payout of a whopping $250.

    • Randy G

      @UncleRichie That is funeral payment because nobody included a COLA to increase the payout as the price of dying went UP!

    • theUncleMike

      @UncleRichie guess what?? That’s what you get when someone dies.. Doesn’t matter if you have kids or not..

  • James Herbert Harrison

    Many things that we all thought would never happen in America, we’re seeing them happen right before our eyes. The country that our fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers shed blood to defend is being destroyed as we speak. These socialists (does that really sound more polite than communists?) must be stopped or the country is doomed.

  • James Herbert Harrison

    We have a commander-in-chief that parks aircraft carriers while paying out defense dept funds to homosexual gay and lesbian partners. Time for impeachment although a complicit Democrat controlled senate would never do that as they are part of this treasonous act being played out as we speak. To all those conservatives who allegedly stayed home as they couldn’t vote for Mitt, you’re getting rewarded with this. Sleep well.

    • theUncleMike

      @James Herbert Harrison your ignorance knows no bounds

    • buzz13

      @James Herbert Harrison
       Exodus:
      16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

  • Retro Ranger

    Obama is sure doing his part to reduce the American birth rate.  I am sure his actions are all part of the master plan for the Muslims to populate and take over the world.  Doubt that there are many openly gay people in the Muslim religion.  Don’t the Muslims kill gays in some parts of the world?

    • ttpog

      @Retro Ranger 
      Well, it seems Muslims are as vile as the homos in regards to sod omy.  http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112411

  • BrianArgesRich

    Violation of the Natural Order is ridiculous. Civil unions can and should provide the same benefits as marriages but marriage is strictly betweeen a man and a woman for purposes of procreation. THAT is a  a self evident-fact and the rest is mere window dressing for the Hedonisats of a society with no vlaues; especially family values for which this country was once known world wide. What has happened since the advent of this administration to THIS country in 2008 and continuing is a total travesty and it should be RECOGNIZED as such and a venture in immorality, corruption and tyranny unseen previously in our history; a sutdy on lacing Constitutional compliance and the abrogation of all which made this country great to begin with and a bastion odf hope for the free peoples of the rest of the world. No more! LET’S TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

    • buzz13

      @BrianArgesRich
      So, anyone (not just homosexuals) who cannot produce offspring for any reason (handicap, sterility, age, etc.) should not be allowed to marry?

  • john811c

    It has been shown that Obama himself had at one time practiced homosexuality and maybe he still does, Michelle always seems so angry with the scowl on her face and maybe this might be the cause.  But since Obama had one practiced this he feels his perversion should be the right of everyone to do the same. And that the law defining what marriage is is unconstitutional  because it goes against his beliefs and limits him to the tenants of what the bible says in regards to the sexuality of two men or two women and same sex relationships.  That said we should have no law defining this as there is the higher law that already does so.  It is a proven fact that the homosexual life style already shortens ones life and the diseases that result from this.  But it is also known that Man is a wayward creature and will always defy God because of original sin. The fruit of all sin is death and mankind is all destined to pay for that sin.

    • theUncleMike

      @john811c that is so absurd that it only shows your anti-Christian attitude

    • buzz13

      @john811c
       Exodus: 16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

  • A C Hallock

    The gays will wish they had the Christians and Jews back if the Muslams take power like obama wants. They KILL gays when they catch them. (cut there heads off.)[shareia law]

    • ttpog

      @A C Hallock 
      Unfortunately, that is not completely true.  Islam is a vile cult that practices many, or most, of the same practices homos do.  http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112411

      • DrBlairSandburg

        @ttpog  @A C Hallock As with other belief systems, there are some things strictly forbidden, yet commonly done.  Witness, for example, how many Roman Catholics know abortion is murder, yet feel they’re okay Catholics.  Seldom does their church single out anyone to censure over this.
         
        While the sins you mention are technically forbidden in the Koran, Mohammed himself had a child bride.  And even though homosexuality is forbidden, the Koran itself says such perversion will be one of  “Paradise’s” perks.  Men will always have access to “beautiful, ever-fresh boys,” as well as “women” made of musk.

    • BushMaster63

      @A C Hallock
       Actually they don’t, and as a matter of fact had to deal with watching them come out of their barracks after on what we called “manlove thursday” when I was serving in Iraq back in 2006….the truth is that women are for breeding only, but couplings with man and beast alike are for pleasure!!!

    • theUncleMike

      @A C Hallock there is a lot more to Sharia law.. But since Obama is a Christian, it makes your post inaccurate

  • Chickenfoot99

    @Southrngirl77 every Christian value we hold is under complete attack I believe it’s a spiritual battle that we are losing

  • CharlesMcgee

    People have come to America from throughout the world and have within their beings certain ideas about many things, including marriage. The study of these forms will lead any person to see that there are many choices.
     
    The document that states issue to individuals is a reflection of the social contract held by members of that social group. If you do not hold membership in the group the paper is meaningless. At the end of the day it is only a piece of paper.  we can be counted as witnesses, but we are not participants. They commitment is with the participants and they hold title to the contract and its interpretation, it meaning.
     
    No state can make the social contract work. It can only protect interested parties and the real estate.

  • whisperatnight

    As in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end.

    • The US Patriot

      @whisperatnight Also… as in the days of Nero … for ALL Christians and Jews!

  • steve holmes

    If you want Communism, as barry seems to desire, the bible and the constitution are the main problems.

    • theUncleMike

      @steve holmes you have no idea about communism.., and Obama is following the Constitution on regard to DOMA.

      • steve holmes

        @theUncleMike  @steve You ought to check out the Communist Manifesto and maybe learn something. (or are YOU another “New Party” member as o’bama is and thus quite knowing of it?)

  • Ithamar

    We have two choices, accepting perversion is not one of them. We either do nothing but whine and suffer or we fight, though we still may suffer. I chose to fight, whatever that may entail.

    • The US Patriot

      @Ithamar AR-15′s and other guns … are the only answer!

      • theUncleMike

        @The US Patriot @Ithamar yeah, that’s what Jesus preached… Hypocrite

  • ansonheath

    If Christians stay true to God’s Word, this wolf will be dead meat himself. If we cave, we will be devoured.

  • Duke1CA

    I agree completely that overt persecution of Christians in America is on the horizon.  I believe that only a nationwide Revival on the order of the First Great Awakening in the mid 1700′s can prevent this, because history shows that this is the normal pattern.

  • DrRGP

    It’s heartening that anyone still cares, but the situation is all but hopeless.  On every front without any exception of which I can think Christians are being both challenged and defeated.  We can’t win by ourselves.  If the Almighty has any interest in the future of United States–something I take as very doubtful–He will need to succour His faithful, not ignore them and their prayers for America, which, so far as I can tell, have gone unanswered for years and years and years.

  • BushMaster63

    Well, for starters it must be said that liberals and progressives cannot achieve their roles as the gods they believe themselves to be with Christian based morales and ethics interferring their selfish personal agendas…so therefore they jump in bed with a “foreign Usurper” professing equal hatred of our “God loving Western Civilization”. I was reading some of the bile spewed forth from “Uncle Mike” here earlier, and want to remind everyone here of a couple scriptures which deal with such individuals who fail to see the self evident truths…..I will start with 2 Thesallonians 2:11, which basically says that God will place a great delusion upon the masses so that they will believe the lies….., then Isaiah 5:20, which states “woe unto them that call good evil, and evil good”….Romans 1:22, Professing themselves wise, they became fools….and then finally and most importantly Proverbs 26:4-5, which states not to argue with a fool on his merits, lest you become one yourself, and most importantly if you do make sure that your answer is truthful and wise enough to prove his foolish rants are proven to be just that.
              I’m no Biblical scholar by any means, and hope that I am at least a “decent Christian” in Gods eyes. i’m not here to argue with “fools”, and prefer todeal with the pure facts that are quite evident, the first one being that one only  has to read Obama’s books written before he ever ran for office whereas he proclaims his hatred of whites and western civilazation in “Dreams of My Father”, and then his proclamation that “should the winds blow unfavorable, I will side with Islam”. If you take that into account and put it together with his actions then it all makes perfect sense as to what’s happening today. It is absolutely insane to see good people waste valuable time and energy arguing with these fools on virtually any topic regarding morals and ethics…..because they have now themselves you will very rarely win, and it accomplishes their mission of destroying the goal of these subjects. Obama has never renounced his indonesian citizenship, was born in Kenya in 1961, just as the Kenyan consulate verified last year, and has never been a true “Christian”…He attested to attending a catholic school in Indonesia, but seeing as that is the strictest Islamic state in the world all children are taught 100% Islamic doctrine, of which there is proof in his attending and completing his “Islamic Education”. His name then was Barry Soetoro, of which it still is,  because his stepfather legally adopted him at age 7. As far as the argument of where he was born affecting his ability to legally hold the office he is in all you have to know is that in the Constitution both parents have to be “natural born” American citizens…..his father was born in Kenya, so therefore it matters not where he was born….just another elaborate smokescreen used by the left to keep us from realizing the truth right in front of our eyes. Don’t waste your time listening to liars and fools, because the truth is evident in their actions!!!

    • NHGentlemen

      @BushMaster63 
      Friend just what is the definition of a decent Christian?  The Bible does not distinguish in that way, someone is either born again by the will of God becoming by God His child, or a person is not.  There is a test to determine if you have been born again see 1 John 4.  I tested myself, which cast away the tempations of doubt giving me the Hope that is found only in Jesus Christ.

    • theUncleMike

      @BushMaster63 well there is no use arguing or discussing with a crazy “birther.” You are grossly mistaken about being born in Kenya, and at no time did oBana ever have to renounce his Indonesian citizenship, he never lost his US citizenship. Parents cannot make that decision for children. Maybe you need to actually learn a little immigration law. Since he returned to the USA for 5th grade, he’s a true blue American. Maybe it’s you that needs to learn the truth and not spew the lies you have.

  • NHGentlemen

    BushMaster63
     
    Friend just what is the definition of a decent Christian?  The Bible does not distinguish in that way, someone is either born again by the will of God becoming by the grace and mercy of God His child, or a person is not.  There is a test to determine if you have been born again see 1 John 4.  I tested myself, which cast away the tempations of doubt giving me the Hope that is found only in Jesus Christ.

    • BushMaster63

      @NHGentlemen
       I didn’t find that that test…I read John chapter 4. Where I question my worthiness is in the facts of my life, which is far too intricate to go into here, and also that I am a warrior, both spiritually and physically, and although I have been born again and baptised still commit sins that give me pause. I’m no thirf or criminal, it’s the moral and ethical issues surrounding me.

      • Troubleshooter

        @BushMaster63  @NHGentlemen @BushMaster63:  Christ did not promise that we would not stumble.  He promised that we would not pay the wages of sin.  Please, brother, take your focus off of sin and put it on Grace alone.  Focusing on Sin, and allowing yourself to be caught up in Sin consciousness is to be focusing on condemnation and the Law, all of which Christ died to free us from.  If you have asked Christ to be your Lord and Savior, you have done all of the works necessary for salvation.  He will do the rest through His Holy Spirit and The Word.  I suggest that to help you find clarity in your faith, go to http://www.Andrew Wommack Ministries Inc.org, or http://www.AWMI.org.  I used to have a lot of confusion about who I AM as a follower of Christ, and this Brother, along with Joseph Prince, have helped me understand things that were confusing before.  Their help has given more a far deeper understanding of the Scriptures than I could have ever had otherwise.  They are truly anointed.  Andrew Wommack will give his materials to you, and that includes shipping cost.  Although I disagree with many of the programs broadcast by TBN, His M-F broadcasts at 6:30 am ET are always helpful.  He is purely a teacher of The Word.  Joseph Prince also has a broadcast at 10:00 am ET.  He is a Hebrew Scholar who clarifies the Scriptures through teaching his listeners what the Greek and Hebrew texts say, and helps explain the misunderstandings of such Scriptural issus ad Faith and Works.  The Scripture which says that faith without works is dead, is in Hebrews, and the Hebrews that Paul wrote that message too are under The Law, which requires works.  His messages to them was to help them understand that YaHWeH sent Christ for them too, and that in the end Every Knee Shall Bow, and Every Tongue Confess that Christ is Lord.  Again, please do not continue in self-condemnation.  Research what Wommack and Prince have to show you in the Scriptures about your concerns.  God Bless You Brother, in Christ’s Name. amen.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Troubleshooter  @BushMaster63  @NHGentlemen A C hristian will despise what God despises & Love what God loves. Do not get so weak that you can not stand up for what is right./// Choose this day who you will serve.

  • BushMaster63

    this once great country of ours has been just about completely demoralized due to actions of a few because the people who are elected to represent us have chosen silence, cowardice, and inaction as their methods of action, therefore encouraging the blatant treasonous acts of biblical proportion happening here today.Complacency Kills. If we as a nation are ever going to stop the collapse of the worlds greatest country it falls to us….the people…to act within our God and Constitutionally given rights before it’s too late. It’s not our job to judge others for their beliefs and actions, but rather to activly fight to protect ours, by all legal means necessary. The gloves are off people, and although what’s happening today is written in the Bible, I never read anything about us just putting our butts in the air, heads in the sand, and letting it happen without a fight.

    • Tionico

      @BushMaster63 the things of which you accuse our political leadaers are misdirected. The ones who have shown “slience, cowardice, and inaction”  are US. This is a government OF the people, and BY the people. It is NOT a government by political leaders. If they don’t pass the laws WE want, it is OUR responsibility to dump them next election (and no, don’t go whining aobut term limies.. WE are the term limiters, not some law) The Supreme COurt pased Roe vs Wade… and we’ve done nothing to overturn or undo that. WHY? Refer to your three reasons above. That’s why. How many “decent christians” voted for Romney, a man who supports abortin in some circumstances. One is either pro life in ALL situatioins, or anti life. Romney was a waffler, a vote-getter. Glad he lost. It would have just been kicking the can down the road eight more years. Now, things are coming to a ehad, and we lazy, silent Yanks are being stirred, at long last, to action.
       
      One seemingly minor, but very significant quibble: you refer to our rights as given us by the COnstitution. This is wrong. The Constitutiion does two things, in the main: puts restrictions and responsibilities on the national government, and identifies certain of our rights, guaranteeing them to us as preexisting and from our Creator. If they are “given by” the Constitution, then they can be taken away. NEVER allow this misconception to stand. It thus puts the Constitution as the source and controller of our rights, the ones God gave us. That document is subordinate to our God. Never forget that. Seems small.. but really that’s HUGE.

      • BushMaster63

        @Tionico
         I agree about the Constitution, and should have used the correct terminology our God given rights reaffirmed through the Constitution. But I do disagree about the gov’t currently being of the people, by the people, and for the people. It currently is of the gov’t, by the gov’t, and for the gov’t. Don’t you find it amazing that all the destructive laws that have been passed only affect “we the people”, and those that impose them are exempt? What about the “electoral votes”, which basically nullify our votes? what about our gov’t, not the people, committing open treason every single day, against we the people? I respect what you are saying, but respectfully disagree with our gov’t acting in unison with the majority here.

      • BushMaster63

        @Tionico
         And also, I am in complete agreement that we the people are fully responsible for allowing this to happen…..The biggest deterrent to freedom is that along with it comes much responsibilty to guarantee it remains…..

  • Brusckey

    Abortion, divorce, pornography and now marriage-confusion are all part and parcel of the “contraceptive mentality” that sex has nothing to do with having children.   For the last two thousand years, Christianity was united against contraception.  In 1930 the Anglican Church accepted contraception at its Lambeth conference.  Since then all protestant denominations (and practically the Orthodox, Mormons, JW’s, SDA’s and everybody else) have swallowed the satanic lie of contraception.  Only the Catholic Church remains entirely opposed to contraception and the contraceptive mentality.
     
    By the way, oral contraceptives have abortifacient properties to your children and are also carcinogenic to the woman.  Get off the damn pill and get your wives off the damn pill.

    • Tionico

      @Brusckey and all these are right out of Karl Marx’ playbook on how to turn a country socialist/communist. One main item is to destroy the family by easy divorce, contraception, abortion, abandonment of marriage (co-habiting being the current euphemism), getting Moms out of the house and into the factory/office, daycare to replace Mum, making sex a casual thing rather then sacred and reserved for marriage, homosexuality, and related ills.

    • theUncleMike

      @Brusckey the only reason the church doesn’t want contraception is that they want more little Catholics. The bottom line is contraception has been successful.

      • PaulBrown

        @theUncleMike  @Brusckey If contraception is so successful, why the millions of abortions.

      • ttpog

        @theUncleMike  @Brusckey Ummm….uncle……PaulBrown asked you a question.  In case you missed it, I will repeat it:  ‘If contraception is so successful, why the millions of abortions.’????

  • EddyMarrero

    You are right . I have a problem . A big problem looking at my country being pushed to turn it to the third world country . The greatest country of the world being blinded by a number of people that does not  work for the betternes of our people  but to destroy it from the inside out .Now the eternal enemies of the United States are not so enemies .Liberalism has taken power in the country  destroying  the image of a pure people’s government to a constant battle to a lawless  crowd , where everybody has their  own rights.And when the time comes , letting us look  to what is left of this country , our only option will be to leak our own wounds.

    • BushMaster63

      @EddyMarrero
       I’m not interested in licking my own wounds, but rather making the enemy lick theirs….

  • Maggietish

    Again President Obama sees himself as “King” of America.  He needs a reality check that he is not the Monarch of the United States and this is a free Republic governed by the Constitution and the will of the people.  So now he’s attacking God’s word and obviously arrogantly thinks he has the right to dictate how we should believe.  The United States is “One Nation Under God” and “In God We Trust.”  The President has pushed his limits and we have all had enough of it already.  The Defense of Marriage Act needs to stand and is he, and Eric Holder, think they are going to force their beliefs down the American peoples’ throats they are in for a rude awakening.  Christians will not simply go away and softly into the night - we will, and do, fight for and stand up for our beliefs.

    • merriel46

      @Maggietish   Our Dictator-in-Chief will have his own way..  If Congress doesn’t vote his way, he will pass it by Executive Order.  I see a lot of trouble for Christians during his 2nd term in office.

    • theUncleMike

      @Maggietish Obama has not attacked “God’s will” at all. He swore to uphold the US Constitution not some fairy tale book called the bible. The bible has no bearing on the law. If you think it should, then you are no better the Muslims, and you should consider moving to a theocracy. Do you really know what a democratic republic really is? I doubt it from your post. As for DOMA, you are mistaken and 2 U S Court of Appeals have ruled it unconstitutional. When DONA was passed, there were no states that allowed marriage equality. Today there are 9 + DC, and 4 more that are close to it. By allowing marriage equality, you render Sec 3 of DOMA unconstitutional. You can’t allow for legal marriage and then not grant them equal/same rights. This is the USA, not some theocracy. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment. FYI, no one is stopping you from believing what ever it is you want to believe, but because you believe something (no matter how absurd and/or misguided it is), we do live in a democratic republic thank goodness and view points like yours are clearly in the minority.

      • MickeyDavis

        @theUncleMike  You my friend are one ignorant SOB. Our entire Constitution was totally inspired by the laws of the Bible./// But I do not expect a pervert to know or understand that.

        • buzz13

          @MickeyDavis  @theUncleMike
          There are only three of the “Ten Commandments” which are included in our laws to varying degrees. If the Constitution were based on Christian Biblical law, where are the rest?
          Where are the references to “God” in the Constitution, where is the section forbidding work on the “Sabbath”, what is the Constitutional punishment for idolatry, etc., etc?

      • cyoder

        @theUncleMike  @Maggietish  “Today there are 9 + DC, and 4 more that are close to it. By allowing marriage equality, you render Sec 3 of DOMA unconstitutional. ” Bad reasoning. It means that the laws of 13 states abd DC are not supported by the constitution.

      • ttpog

        @theUncleMike  @Maggietish You state ‘He swore to uphold the US Constitution…’.  Well, in refusing to uphold DOMA, he thumbs his nose at the Constitution.  No one is asserting the US is a theocracy, get over it – no one, not even a Christian, should want that.  
         
        The form of government entrusted to us by our Founders was a republic, not a democracy. Our Founders had an opportunity to establish a democracy in America and chose not to. In fact, the Founders made clear that we were not, and were never to become, a democracy:
         
        Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison.
         
        Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams.
         
         A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty. Fisher Ames, Author of the House Language for the First Amendment.
         
        We have seen the tumult of democracy terminate . . . as [it has] everywhere terminated, in despotism. . . . Democracy! savage and wild. Thou who wouldst bring down the virtuous and wise to thy level of folly and guilt. Gouverneur Morris, Signer and Penman of the Constitution.
         
         The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived. John Quincy Adams
         
        A simple democracy . . . is one of the greatest of evils Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration.
         
         In democracy . . . there are commonly tumults and disorders. . . . Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth. Noah Webster.
         
        Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage. John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration.
         
        A pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people. When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling (what the Founders described as a “mobocracy”); a republic is rule by law. If the source of law for a democracy is the popular feeling of the people, then what is the source of law for the American republic? According to Founder Noah Webster: Our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament, or the Christian religion.
         
        ‘All laws, however, may be arranged in two different classes. 1) Divine. 2) Human. . . . But it should always be remembered that this law, natural or revealed, made for men or for nations, flows from the same Divine source: it is the law of God. . . . Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine.’  James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution; U. S. Supreme Court Justice
         
        ‘The law . . . dictated by God Himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this.’  Alexander Hamilton, Signer of the Constitution.
         
        ‘The . . . law established by the Creator . . . extends over the whole globe, is everywhere and at all times binding upon mankind. . . . This is the law of God by which he makes his way known to man and is paramount to all human control.’  Rufus King, Signer of the Constitution.
         
        The Founders understood that Biblical values formed the basis of the republic and that the republic would be destroyed if the people’s knowledge of those values should ever be lost.   These views were not ‘in the minority’ then or now.  Your view is an uneducated one.  However, no one is stopping you from believing what ever it is you want to believe, but because you believe something (no matter how absurd and/or misguided it is), we do live in a republic, thank God, and view points like yours are clearly in the minority.

  • Troubleshooter

    @UncleMike: Wow Uncle Mike:  Tell Us More Oh Great Sage.  Tell us about how well all the False Religions flourished in Sodom and Gomorrah.  Tell us about how wonderful life is for Muslim women and children.  Tell us how kind and generous Atheists (a religion by all descriptions) are.  Tell us how well the Non-Christian Religions are doing at making the world a better place.  Then Tell Me About The Bunnies and The Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause, and any other pagan distractions you can come up with.  Then, after you’ve vomited up all of the lies you can come up with, get on your knees and beg God to give you a personal revelation of what His Son, The Lord Yeshua HaMashiach has done for you.  Unless of course, you want to burn in Hell.

    • theUncleMike

      @Troubleshooter you really are perverted and clearly not in a believer of Christ. By the way, your god is nothing more than a murderer. You want to give it credit for the good, it must take credit for the bad.. Line the 20 kids at Sandy Hook or the 70 in Norway. As for getting down on my knees and pray to sone fairy take, you really have to be out of your mind… And your posts prove that…,

      • DrBlairSandburg

        @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter I can forgive ignorance–even petulant ignorance.  I can forgive your attacks on Christians, but it’s God you insult, now, & you owe your own soul the honesty of actually studying God–not what you’ve been wrongly taught of God.  You can hate us all you like, but so long as you’re content to be too lazy to learn Who God is & why what you say is wrong, well, I’m just glad He’s a forgiving God.  But even His patience comes to an end with =willful= ignorance at some point.

  • Troubleshooter

    @Uncle Mike: Where the rights of All are protected?  By SCOTUS?  That’s hilarious.  Put down the crack pipe.  Let’s talk about the rights of taxpayers to not pay for perverts to screw each other in the rectum and then make taxpayers pick up the medical bills.  Let’s talk about the rights of unborn children to not be dragged a piece at a time from the wombs of their stupid, atheistic mothers by murderers for hire.  Let’s talk about the rights given by God, The Supreme Being, The Creator of All things, to destroy the poor misguided, self-abusing maggots who rush to eternal death by the millions for lack of a clear thought because they have been misled by a Socialist School System which was constructed to create slaves for the elite, slaves like you who can’t see the monster behind the curtain.  What a moron.  Stop masturbating and actually research what is going on you idiot.  Then, get on your knees and ask God to reveal to you the Truth of What Christ did for you.  Otherwise, why don’t you just go stand in the street.

    • theUncleMike

      @Troubleshooter you have to be the most ignorant person here. A Christian you are not. You would make Jesus proud by your misguided rants, along with your lies. Maybe you should read the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli that’s states the US is a secular (not a Christian) nation. It was ratified by the US Senate unanimously (1 of only 3). Lastly, FYI, sodomy, which is legal, is practiced by more heterosexuals than homosexuals. The person that is perverted is you… The truth is something you can’t handle.

      • cyoder

        @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter The Treaty of Tripoli says that the US was not a Christian nation in the same sense that Tripoli was a Muslim country, that is it was not the state religion. It in no way denies that the US was founded by Christians.

        • buzz13

          @cyoder  @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter
           “Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—”
          Can you read?

      • MickeyDavis

        @theUncleMike  You need to get back on your meds. You sound like you are in bad shape

      • ttpog

        @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter 
        You say, ‘…FYI, sodomy, which is legal, is practiced by more heterosexuals than homosexuals.’  Did you personally conduct this survey?  Where is the proof to such a claim?  My own polling has thus far proved you wrong, granted it is a small sample, but I would venture to say your claim is patently false.

    • DrBlairSandburg

      @Troubleshooter  @Uncle I agree, in essence, but remember to approach him in a Christ-like manner.  Only He holds the rights to break out the name-calling & the whip, as He has the only complete knowledge of when & how hard to do it.  I remember my own stupidity & sins, & that makes it possible to be humble.  /^)

  • Troubleshooter

    @UncleMike: I will pray for you Uncle Mike, because that is what the voice of Truth tells me to do.  I’m sure that there are others who will pray for you too, and the reason we pray for you, is that the Truth is, It is the Will Of Almighty God that NONE perish.  That’s right.  NONE.  Those who perish, perish by choice or ignorance, or both.  You have been told of Christ, and you have been told that He is the Only Name Under Heaven by which Men might be saved.  After having been told these things, it is ALL YOUR CHOICE.  For Now.

  • Troubleshooter

    @theUncleMike: SCOTUS has been loaded with Socialists and Atheists by Anti-Christians like Obama.  This is NOT the country created by our Founding Fathers, nor is it the country they intended.  This is the Country they were fearful of when they wrote the Second Amendment.  Soon, you will see the truth of that.  You will also at some point have Your Own Personal Moment Of Truth, and when you do, rem, ember that your wages were earned by YOUR Choice.  It is clear to me that you are a Socialist Educated Homosexual who has never given anything to this country.  You are a taker who believes that it was the HomoSexuals and The Effete Snobbery who created what WAS the Greatest Nation On Earth.  Sorry Ma’am, it is your mindset that is destroying this country, but it really doesn’t matter.  Those who are in Christ have already been guaranteed far more than even The Greatest Nation On Earth can provide.  We have been guaranteed something that you are losing by rejecting Christ.  The Guarantee we have is provided by The Creator of All Things, apart from whom not one thing came into existence.  Our Guarantee doesn’t come from the Constitution, or The President, Or The Supreme Court, or any other man-made device.  Our Guarantee comes from the All-Powerful, All Mighty YaHWeH Elohim, and nothing YOU or any other Commie Pinko can do can void that Guarantee.  Enjoy your reward, loser. LOL.

    • theUncleMike

      @Troubleshooter your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity. Maybe you need to see a proctologist as Repub Haley Barbour stated 2 months ago for republicans. You suffer from CRI – Cranial Rectal Insertion. To set the record straight: I am not gay. I also am a business owner for the last 25 years, employing approx 100 people. I would also point out that I pay above average wages and also pay 100% of my employees health insurance. You can believe all you want in your fairy tale, but your misguided and error prone idea of history is absurd. I don’t know where you got your facts and/or ideas, but I believe maybe Cracker Jacks and comic book. The US is a SECULAR nation, not a theocracy as you would like it to be. As this is the USA, you have a right to be stupid, and you’ve demonstrated that fact well with your post. As for being a loser, that might be your opinion… But it is one not based on fact but ignorance on your part.

      • Troubleshooter

        @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter @THEUncleMike: ya know mikey-poo, as an educated man who is trained in propaganda analysis AND articulated interrogation, I could, if I was so inclined to educate you, point out at least five points in your last little rant that identify how absolutely correct I am about you.  What’s even funnier is that you are so driven by your little pee-pee and your oral desires that you can’t even control your emotions in print.  Like I said, girly-man, Enjoy Your Wages.  By the way, I’m no more a repugnican than a dummycrap, so, not even close, and certainly no cigar (i know  terribly THAT disappoints you).LOLOLOL. “theUnclemike”.  You mean Auntie Mike don’t you?

      • ttpog

        @theUncleMike  @Troubleshooter 
        Oh little man, not so! The founders of this great nation were deeply religious men. The signers of the U.S. Constitution were orthodox members of one of the established Christian communions. Approximately twenty-nine Anglicans, sixteen to eighteen Calvinists, two Methodists, two Lutherans, two Roman Catholics, one lapsed Quaker and sometime Anglican, and one open Deist – Dr. Franklin who attended every kind of Christian worship, called for public prayer, and contributed to all denominations. He also rose to make the famous plea at the Constitutional Convention: that prayers be held in the assembly every morning before delegates proceeded with the agenda. Prayers have opened both houses of Congress ever since. If there was a ‘closet secular humanist’ in the group, you can be sure he kept his true beliefs hidden from the people.
         
        Among the more than three million Americans at the time of the Revolutionary War and the writing of the Constitution, Protestant Christianity was the dominant philosophical force. The United States was founded on more Biblical principles than any nation in history – the secret to America’s greatness. Those principles originally permeated our educational system, courts, public life, religious life, and economic system, producing what has been called traditional values. The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that they were establishing a new nation based soundly on the laws of God as the opening paragraph shows. The oft wrongly used ‘wall of separation’ was referring to a wall that kept government out of the church – NOT church or church people out of government. The first amendment was written specifically to protect religious and moral values and symbols of our public life, NOT to eradicate them.
         
        America IS a Christian nation, but not because it was founded as such, rather due to the fact that its Founding Fathers were either Christians or had been influenced throughout their entire lives by the Christian consensus that surrounded them. It was so much a part of national life that it couldn’t help but affect the thinking of the Founding Fathers as they laid the foundation for this nation. The more than three million citizens who shared in the founding of this republic were not only Christian, but also overwhelmingly Protestant, and it remained so until the mid-1800′s. The culture of America two hundred years ago was overwhelmingly Christian. When they spoke of religion they meant the Christian religion. When they mentioned morality it was what we know as the Judeo-Christian moral code. When they referred to education they meant learning from a God-centered base that made ample use of the Bible. And nowhere is that Christian consensus more prevalent than in the field of law as evidenced by the major legal documents in use at the time the fifty-five delegates founded this nation.
         
        You are correct that our nation is not a theocracy, nor should any Christian desire it to be so.  This nation was, however, founded on Christian principles and was/is not a secular nation.

    • DrRGP

      @Troubleshooter Wow!   I must say you speak words of power, my friend.

  • MickeyDavis

    Only a perverted satanic mind & Heart could go along with this muslim move

    • theUncleMike

      @MickeyDavis all I can say is you need help. Did you bother to check the accuracy of this blog? The bottom line is it is false, inaccurate, and untruthful. Something Christian’s should not tolerate. But then the people here are make believe Christians. They spew hate, and are hypocritical. They love to pick and choose what they want to follow out if the bible. Obama has never stated, nor could he criminalize what the author purports. Maybe people forgot that laws are passed in Congress. States have the ability to make laws regarding marriage, but they must also be aligned with the US Constitution, where like citizens have equal rights. Maybe people should read the 14th Amendment. No one is advocating that church’s be forced to marry anyone. As we know, there are many civil weddings handled by the clerk of the court or a JP. Many weddings are not religious.

      • TerryMcGregor

        @theUncleMike  @MickeyDavis
         Uncle my friend have you not seen how many executive orders our dictator and chief has signed into law bypassing congress? wake up if you dare! but really in truth your disagreement is with God.

      • Army4Life

        @theUncleMike  @MickeyDavis  Actually, he is correct in that Army Chaplains have been ORDERED to marry same-sex couples.  As for the former part of your statement, The U.S. Constitution tells the Federal government what little it is allowed to do and the States retain all other rights.  Like may programs, the Federal government has illegally (based on the Constitution) given themselves the right to govern States rights.

        • Army4Life

          @theUncleMike  @MickeyDavis  Furthermore, with the passage of DOMA, it ESTABLISHED the Federal stance on marriage.  It has not been repealed, so to go against Federal law he is acting more as a dictator.

      • Inspiri

        @theUncleMike. These people are stoking hate and they don’t even know it!

      • MickeyDavis

        @theUncleMike   You are a hopeless gimme, Congress is gone and we now have a dictator.. To even entertain the thought that two same sex perverts can be married is totally ignorant./// The only people that pretend their is no God is a pervert. The Bible says a FOOL has said in his heart their is no God.

  • MikePurdin

    Amen  as for me and my  house we will serve the Lord Jesus Christ

  • Lorraine E

    I have lived in this Christian country for 70 years.  I am a Christian.  Now I am witnessing my country going the way of the Roman Empire.  We are going to fall and there will be nothing left of our Republic.  My country is dying very quickly and no one seems to be able to even slow down its destruction.  When the time comes for the Christians and Jews to be “fed to the lions” I will be there with them.  It happened before and it will happen again.  After our country has been destroyed  our  politicians, judges, and bureaucrats wll have nothing and nobody to rule.  All will be lost but obviously that is the goal.

    • Geneww1938

      @Lorraine E All for the greed of some 300 to 500 of the most powerful corporations, endowed funds, and wealthiest who are outright evil.  Satan has been waiting for these days and God will permit it. 
       
      The people of this country have abandoned God but God will remain faithful to His adopted family that were saved by acknowledging and repenting of their sins, asking for forgiveness and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.  
       
      Life is too short and eternity too long to be wrong about God, His Bible, Jesus and Salvation!

    • KarolHancock

      @Lorraine E
       Lorraine, please do not believe all christians will be delivered into the hands of satan.  Jesus said he would return to for us.  Go to http://www.nowtheendbegins.com read the section on the Rapture, use your Bible and follow every scripture listed in the information so you see it is all bibical and you will see that we who are saved, Jesus is returning for.  We will be with him.  It is true America will be punished for her sins, but not destroyed, however, America will weakened and somewhat changed.  Jesus loves us and even though we have sinned, we will not feel the wrath of God, He will not punish those that believe and love Him, the purpose of prayer is so we can confess our sins and ask God to forgive  us, which he is quick to do.  We serve a loving God.

      • MickeyDavis

        @KarolHancock  I’m sure you researched this rapture doctrine and how it all got started. it is less than 200 tears old, before that no one ever heard of such a thing.The people that teach it take a lot of verses in the bible out of context, totally eliminate other verses to make it fit in./// No one ever teaches it the same way. then there is the pre-trip, mid-trib and post -trib. trying to fit in a man made doctrine is pretty hard, you keep running into a truth that can not be explained  away.  you can google the word rapture and find out how it got its start and how it spread through out America

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis @KarolHancock. The Rapture?!? Religious texts are not truths, but have been interpreted by people. It’s amazing how interpretations have evolved over time; the Earth was center of heavens, then Copernicus, Galileo & Kepler forced Church to evolve. Then Newton and Descartes introduced new “laws of universe” and progress in travel, medicine, law, and war led to European domination. Christianity was used to impose their rule. Since we are no longer run by Monarchies, the Rapture was created to restore ‘order’. We live in post modern christianity, liberal christianity and as a result, liberal Christians place less emphasis on miraculous events associated with the life of Jesus than on his teachings. The people present in our world today recognize morality has universal interpretation. It is not beholden to zealots of the Born Again! Thankfully will live under the rule of law and not the rule of God. For I’m afraid we would spill blood over such philosophical …yes, philosophical arguments. Get with the program people.

        • merriel46

          @Inspiri  The Bible was written by men with the inspiration of GOD!!!

        • BushMaster63

          @Inspiri  @MickeyDavis
           Actually, the Bible is directly of God, not man. and just like evil men use the seriously flawed “carbon dating theory to justify evolution, also have these same types men have worked diligantly to destroy God’s word. I don’t believe in organized religion because of all the “man made” rules designed to enslave and manipulate their followers…I believe in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and come judgement day their will no one standing next to you to defend your own actions. The word of God has never been wrong, but the Mayans, Nostradomas, and his ilk have been. as far as Islam goes, I have seen it in action and it is farthest thing I’ve seen from the “religion of peace” that they proclaim it is. I’m not here to argue with fools, but rather to focus on the facts…I leave that task to those who are better prepared, and God….people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone, that sure isn’t me, but I am working on it. I wish everyone here God’s love and blessings, and foremost, the wisdom to know when to just keep your mouth shut, lest you yourself become a fool.

        • KarolHancock

          @MickeyDavis
           Yes, I am aware of many doctrine’s related to the Bible, many scriptures are  taken out of context.  This also happens in government, twisting words to back up their wishes . On faith I accept the King James Holy Bible as the inspired written word of God.  On faith I accept Jesus promise in John 14:1 – 4 that H will return for us. In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Jesus will come like “a theif in the night” , those asleep (dead)in Christ will rise first,then we believers that remain alive will rise, to meet Him in the AIR. 1 Thessalonians 5:1 – 9 for God hath not appointed us to wrath.  In Revelation 19: 11- 21 heaven opend, behold a white horse and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True.
           
          There are 2 events, Jesus will return like a theif in the night to remove the dead and the church (Gentiles/Jews that accepted Him) the bride, the church must be removed first, why would he punish those faithful to Him?  The second event, Jesus will stand on Mt. Olive and he has come for the beast and false prophet and will throw them into the lake of fire, and the rest were slain.
           
          Please do not take my word for this.  Read it for yourself and make your own decisions.  This is my belief, God gave us all the right of choice, you are free to make your choices, but not to demean mine, unless you can prove me wrong.
           
          Right or wrong, we are in serious trouble here with this current government, this is no time for we the people to be finding fault with each other or bickering.  We are all in this sinking boat together.
           
          God bless you all and America.

        • KarolHancock

          @BushMaster63  @Inspiri  @MickeyDavis
           Well said BushMaster63.  I also, have not found Islam to be a peaceful religion. At one time I thought maybe the peace was shown to Islam believers, they proved me wrong on that too.   I am working on being free of sin also, everyday of my 70 years, and I pray for God’s mercy, because I always have more work to do.  I think I have given up on wisdom. lol  Believe me, at my age, you long and pray for Jesus return, because this world just gets worse and worse.  Jesus said for us to live according to his teachings and love one another as he loves us.  There is not much of that happening today, I see mostly selfishness, do it my way attitude, hate, deceit and falling away from Jesus. 
           
          I pray for God’s full blessings on you and yours.

        • MickeyDavis

          @KarolHancock You have proved yourself wrong by the very scriptures you quoted and your logic of those scriptures.//// In Matthew it says After that great tribulation, God will gather his elect from the 4 corners of the earth,,/// Why would God let his elect go through the Great tribulation and let the luke warm escape through  a man made doctrine.///God has not appointed us to Wrath. That is why Jesus died on the cross so that we might be saved.//// Yes Jesus will come like a thief in the night for those that die in their sins and are not Born again.//// I am sure you can see how easy this is to understand when you do not try and inter-wind  another type of teaching into the scriptures./// The Rapture teachers at one time used a lot more scriptures to try and prove their doctrine. but had to drop 70% of them when  God,s plan of Salvation was explained to them. The Rapture teaches a second chance and another way to get saved.//// God,s plan of Salvation was completed by Jesus dying on the Cross and his resurrection  WE are not saved by works as the rapture teaching implies during the Great Tribulation./// As the word of God teaches. Today is the day of Salvation, It says nothing about a second chance.I do agree with you that its everyone,s choice on what they believe.   .

  • Geneww1938

    God authored the Bible  http://jc.does-it.net  and his words will remain absolute no matter what men and nations do!  Satan authored the Koran and now we are seeing the last days of Evil versus Righteousness unfolding. 
     
    Each individual is either on God’s or Satan’s side and there is no middle ground. Eternity if a very long time to be on the wrong side.

    • Inspiri

      @Geneww1938. Satan authored the Koran??!! So anyone who chooses this faith is a follower of Satan. Wow, so now I know why we have hate crimes laws in place. To protect my Muslim neighbor from you!

      • Geneww1938

        @Inspiri Christians love Muslims [and every person since they are created in God's image] for by a moment of God’s grace, a person can realize that they are a sinner, repent, ask for forgiveness and accept the absolute truth for eternal salvation.  At that moment, this person is part of the God’s family and we will spend eternity together. 
         
        If you are looking for hatred, read the Koran where followers are to kill the infidels [Jews, Christians and those who leave their faith].  The Biblical followers are to love their enemies [as explained above].  Big difference and I’d like you to ponder these truths.
         
        Go to  http://jc.does-it.net  where it is proven that God authored the Bible.  Use that same outline and evaluate the Koran.

        • Inspiri

          @Geneww1938. Last time I checked, my Muslim friend didn’t try to kill me. In fact, we sin together all the time. Anyway, you don’t have the moral authority so get off your soap box! Obama is guilty of one thing, he’s inspired by Martin Luther King during this anniversary month.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Geneww1938  @Inspiri You people are really confused and believe a lie/ // WE ARE NOT all Gods children./// Only those that are Born again are Gods Children./// Muslims are evil, Christians should not love evil./// Quit playing like a Christian, Grow up and get off the milk-toast.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri That great thudding sound when your head is pulled from your arse./// There is good and Evil. Muslims are evil.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis @Geneww1938. There in lies the truth, the hatred, and the reason the born again will never again hold power in our body politic

        • Geneww1938

          @MickeyDavis  @Inspiri You are absolutely correct that only born again are part of His family.
          We can and must love an enemy to the extent that we wish for that person to repent and be born into God’s kingdom [as His Bible commands].  However, me must absolutely hate what they believe and the sins of every person [saved or unsaved].
          Inspiri’s friend may not be a fundamental Muslim and Satan enjoys and encourages both of you to be liberated and stay away from Biblicists.

        • Inspiri

          @Geneww1938 @MickeyDavis. Is this what started the Crusades? Oh, I see, so my Moroccan friend is not Fundamental, which makes him cool with God. Whatever people

  • DrBlairSandburg

    I chose long ago to follow God.  It should be obvious I dare them, as otherwise I’d not come to rooms such as this–which they monitor.  We have been declared enemies of the State.  It’s only a matter of time before lovers of God will be murdered by the State.  Shrug.  Even if they kill all of us, they’ll lose.  I sneaked a peek, & I know how the Book ends.  /^)

    • Inspiri

      @DrBlairSandburg. I didn’t get
      That memo. When were you declared enemy of the state?

      • BushMaster63

        @Inspiri
         Actually O’bummer declared us Patriotic, God loving Americans an enemy of the state back in 2009…but our outstanding media just “overlooked” it, as usual.

  • MrLucky

    The lovers of God should go to Mandy Pandy land and find some backbone! God’s getting tired of looking after people that is toooooo cowardly to look after their own interests! Get some backbone or be quiet you damn cowards!

    • MickeyDavis

      @MrLucky You my friend are one sick SOB.  Way to Ignorant to be helped by anyone.That is why you are a gimme

    • ponderingitall

      @MrLucky or God’s publicist? Nice gig!

    • BushMaster63

      @MrLucky
       I feel that there is some truth to that statement and that we have not stood up and fought as we should for God, and our rights. This incessant banter is really accomplishing nothing except for giving the enemy a great target to attack. The enemy has been acting out physically while the majority of Patriots have been on boards like this one just bitchin and moaning and talking a great fight….get up off yer asses and do something before it’s too late!!!!Stand up and be counted, as I have, and will continue to do for God and Country….remember that once we lose America there is no place else for us to go.

  • xron2

    Uncle you are almost as sick as Obama and hope you will enjoy hell as much as he will!

  • EddyMarrero

    My friend : you and I can not do anything to overcome this kind of government that we have in our country today . Sadly , all good americans that love our country , have to get together to do our best to free our country from the ones that want it to become a third world country.

  • Inspiri

    2 big hyperboles Dave: “Before long, living the Christian faith will be a crime” and “I would not be surprised to see Christians and Jews being arrested and jailed on a daily basis for anything they say or do that involves defending their religion”. We live under the rule of law, not the rule of God. I side with equal rights and protection under the law. Let the gay spouse collect SS benefits when the other dies. That’s it. No need to defend yourself. No need to link gayness to Devil. That’s hateful and you should love all neighbors as your brother

    • Chief_Rose

      @Inspiri Remember that Jesus did not condemn the adulterous woman who was to be stoned to death.  But also remember His admonition to her:  “go and sin no more.”  Those in support of homosexual “rights” tend to forget that last part.  There are plenty of other places which list where the practice of homosexuality is called sinful in the Bible for me to list them here.  Sodom, which gave its name to a certain sexual act, wasn’t spared destruction.  So what makes you think God approves of these activities?  You may sin all you want; I’m sure many people have done their Christian duty and warned you of the consequences.  But don’t try to corrupt the God-fearing society we live in by twisting the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against us and the Almighty.  That is the real hate crime!

      • Inspiri

        @Chief_Rose. Oh, that’s just great. You want to condemn homosexuality by consensus. That makes them evil even more!

    • Ithamar

      @Inspiri you live and die under the law of Almighty God. You may convince yourself that you are a law to yourself, but you will be judged by every jot and tittle of that law. No one shall escape, not the sodomite and not you.

      • Inspiri

        @Ithamar. Good to know. Perhaps it is just. I have always felt the urge to shove my fist up one of your a$$es

        • Ithamar

          @Inspiri You filthy sodomites love the darkness to hide in to commit your filthy deeds. Be aware that there is no darkness that can hide you from the righteous judgment which is promised for those who live for wickedness and blasphemy. You may desire to commit such immoral acts as you describe in your post, but be assured that for such filthy desire you will be brought to account.

        • Inspiri

          @Ithamar. What are you talking about? In all your zeal, you missed I’m a Roman Catholic married to a Roman Catholic, whose parents emigrated from Sicilia. I support gay rights under the constitution (receive benefits like a heterosexual couple) and could care less about what damnation lies ahead for gay people. In the here and now, I will respect and embrace them as my peers, neighbors, and Christians should they practice the faith. I think I am living up to Jesus’s teaching.

        • Ithamar

          @Inspiri What do you know about “Jesus’s teaching? You justify the sodomite, you will receive the judgment of the sodomite. You desire to engage in the filthy practice of ‘fisting’ practiced by your fellow sodomites (as you relate in your post), and yet claim that you are no sodomite? I suspicion that I know more about Sicily than you do, not to mention the teachings of Jesus and the Constitution.

    • Quanuck

      @Inspiri The rule of law IS the rule of GOD. If there were no God, why would we even care if we killed each other? Humans have a soul because GOD created us that way. Our own Constitution and Bill of Rights were written around Biblical principles. The homosexual agenda is a tool to destroy morality and Christianity world wide. Homosexuality was removed as being a mental disorder by the psychiatric profession because the communist party wanted it so. Google “45 communist goals Congressional Record”. See # 26.

      • Inspiri

        @Quanuck. American Enlightenment. The age of reason. That is what founded America. You no longer have the moral authority to tell a gay spouse he is not in love with his soul mate and thus have no rights under law

        • BushMaster63

          @Inspiri
           Actually, we do have the moral responsibility, and authority to do so because it written, and true Christians are tasked with spreading the word and enlightening those who are blatantly mocking God…..and there are no man made laws that supercede the word of God, just like it is illegal to alter the Constitution….oh yes, people are doing it, but the price will be paid on judgement day.

        • Inspiri

          @BushMaster63. I respect your call to enlighten those who ‘blatantly mock God’. I guess it comes to this, you do not have the judgment to do so. Your faith does not qualify you. The more zeal does not equate to more qualify. Frankly, you have said so many rude things, you are a leader of none.

    • MickeyDavis

      @Inspiri Such a sick & depraved mind like yours is very hard to deal with for the knowledgeable person. Its just not possible to go so low as to get on your level

      • Inspiri

        @MickeyDavis. Sick and depraved huh. I support human rights. I deplore oppression in all of its many forms. You my friend have much to learn

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri I seem to hear an echo, Do you still have your head up your arse. You wiggle, squirm and cry to run from the truth.When you keep using the word evolve, it tells everyone where you are getting your false information, Its easy to deceive a child with bull s—, but intelligent adults will seek the truth.Have you reached maturity at this time or still navigating with a child,s  mind  .

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. Your right. I’m a scientist and keep my faith. The dichotomy may be too heavy for you.

  • Inspiri

    Oh, and DOMA was a stupid a law that came about when Homophobia was at its peak! I’m glad the country came to its senses. Now if the good Christians would only practice what they preach, we would all live in peace.

    • Quanuck

      @Inspiri Homophobia? The homosexual agenda is the BIGOTS fighting morality and Christians world wide to force your immorality on our children and everyone else who do not accept your sinful ways. None of us are without sin.. none of us are better than the other, but that doesn’t mean we have to accept the immorality practiced by homosexual couples. You choose your own way in life as to how you live it, but don’t try to force your ways into our lives. We DO NOT have to accept what you do.

      • Inspiri

        @Quanuck. I agree. You don’t have to accept. But keep it to yourselves. Don’t write laws to “define marriage”. I received the sacrament of marriage at the altar of god. Not the steps of the Supreme Court

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri:@Inspiri: You’re a phony Inspiri.  You give yourself away by capitalizing “the Supreme Court” and relegating Almighty God to a small letter “g” in god.  The god who gets the lower case g is the god of the underworld;  satan, the devil.  It’s funny although you don’t get it, that Almighty God shows us the truth, even through a phony like you.

        • BushMaster63

          @Inspiri
           I’m going to assume that you are speaking of a gay marriage….in which case you didn’t recieve the sacrement and blessing of God, but rather mocked him. Marriage is between a man and woman, as explained in the Bible, and anything else is an abomination in the eyes of God. I’m not judging you, that is Gods task, but I will say that the gov’t has no right to enact laws to encourage such behavior, and certainly has no right to force homosexual education on preschoolers or in any other mandatory educational program.

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter. Right, I’m praised constantly in my life for my integrity. But it’s not about me. What exactly don’t I get? That satan is working his magic through me. It’s a shame to see judgment thrown out the window.

        • Inspiri

          @BushMaster63. I like your style. Very funny. Obama is not enacting any laws…he wants to see no one discriminated against under the constitution. Is your mind unable to separate federal statue from your religious zeal?

        • VincentDiPentima

          @Inspiri Your mind has been messed up ever since Obama was elected…Obama has no use for the US Constitution, having said that i5t is ouitdated,If you are so delighted with Obama and his tactics, whuy not move in with himj and his cronies

        • BushMaster63

          @Inspiri
           I’m glad you like my style, because it’s the truth. Obama has done nothing to support or uphold his oath of office to protect and uphold Constitutional lawand only uses it when he can further his warped agenda….and now the 2nd ammendment must go for him to proceed with the rest of his agenda….first up is to get rid of our ability to defend ourselves against his tyrrany, then remove the 1st ammendment rights, and then the rest…I really don’t care what you think, and if our Constitution is such an offensive document that certain people can’t abide by it then just go somewhere else that openly accepts and encourages such foolishness….and leave America as it is intended….One Nation, Under God, With Liberty and Justice For All…not just the whiny left wing, special interest minorities crying over their tainted Kool Aid. Religious Zeal? funny, because I don’t believe in organized religion and I prefer to use Gods greatest gifts…common sense and my ability to choose, to guide me. Your own sense of thinking you are so dang smart is gonna bring you down, and I’ll not argue with a fool…check the facts, not your fictitious, self serving interpretations of the Constitution…it’s plain to see for those who have eyes…enough so that our gov’t has been trying to dumb it sown and modify it since its inception. Save your energetic, hateful, and sarcastic rants for the others here that will play your game because their is no “gray area” here, and I am not friendly towards you or anyone else that mocks my God or my Country!!!!

        • Inspiri

          @BushMaster63. Then if you’re not friendly, then I must be your enemy. If I don’t denounce gay people as evil, then I must be mocking god. Your logical absolutes show the intellectual vacuum you occupy

  • bobcat1948

    Inspiri, it is not homophobia.  The DOMA is an expression of our Christian heritage.  I have never heard such nonsense prior to this administration.  If this administration has its way, the Bible believing people of this country will become as  it is in Muslim countries.  Hunted down.  The liberals, who love the Muslims, will rejoice when they have to live under their laws. The homosexuals will be put to death per the Allah worshippers.

    • MaryCrum

      @bobcat1948 Yes, when the Christians and Jews are gone the liberals will rejoice but it will be short lived. As you said, the gays will be put to death as per sharia law and the liberals remaining will be in a real pickle as their life style and liberal feminism does not conform with the laws of Islam. Their love affair with Islam will turn to hate and rebellion.

    • Inspiri

      @bobcat1948. Your heritage has no place in our constitution. If this administration had its way, gays would have the same rights as a heterosexual couple. He would also make sure you bible believing people didn’t impose you believes on gay people. Just leave it alone. Let your neighbor live in peace. Isn’t that what our bible says?

      • Quanuck

        @Inspiri It is YOU who is attempting to impose YOUR immorality on Christians and redefine marriage. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman, there is no reason for any other way. Two men or two women cannot create a child. You want rights, get a civil union. God loves you too.

  • muhammed666

    barnacle  @theUncleMike Thanks for your feedback: Im not a religious guy , I love God and want everyone else to know they can have have the same blessing. I didnt say I was an angel , none of us our. But my message back to uncle Mike is this ” Id rather live my life asGOD exist , then live as if he does not exist, and then die and find out that he does..
    Im looking out for a fellow soul. But he has the devil in one ear telling him that it is a fairy tale. When your knocking at deaths door it will probably be too late. I was the exact same way. I was lucky that someone witnessed to me. No I was blessed.  God loves you to Uncle Mike

  • DenisKhan

    @Leadership of nations is a sacred trusteeship; violation triggers a Sodom & Gomorrah destruction. (Genesis18 – 19). Washington has allowed marijuana & same sex marriages.  Deviational sex is abhorrent to God’s Divine Plan.
    ‘As in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. In those days, before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day that Noah entered the Ark.’
    They did not know until the Flood came and carried them all away. So will it be also at the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew25:37-39).

    • Inspiri

      @DenisKhan. You must hate the Native American Indians. Pagans, peyote, and no bible! They must be deserved of every plague, disease and isolation. They are not of Gods Divine Plan! You are like a throw back to the Crusaders!

      • DenisKhan1

        @Inspiri Did the Native American Indians practice Same Sex marriages ?

        • Inspiri

          @DenisKhan1. So of all the parts of the bible that teaches us to love thy neighbors, you want to ascribe Sodom and Gomora for teaching us about treating gay people. I have been saying this for 3 days: You, mortal, do not have the authority to chasten my gay brothers and sisters! You have been asked to love them, as you do Him. So when my gay brother is discriminated in life’s solemn affairs, such as life after a spouse dies, I will lend them my support so that they might actualize the same federal rights to collect SS benefits under the constitution. What lies ahead for them in the afterlife is God’s authority; again, not yours. So leave it and them alone.

  • ReginaldZenkewich

    When are WE the PEOPLE going to really stand up and get rid of this ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-CONSTITUTIONIST  by marching on washington and demanding that THE OBAMANATSHON remove himself from office and take all his appointees and czars with him or be removed bodily by force by WE the PEOPLE!

    • merriel46

      @ReginaldZenkewich   I am a 66 yr. old female veteran of the VietNam era.  I have volunteered to help drag him, kicking and screaming, from OUR White House.  Who will join me?

      • ReginaldZenkewich

        @merriel46 I will join when every veteran former and present will stand up tothis fraud and lying criminal who is promoting treason andsedition agaist the AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE the PEOPLE are the Government not Obamanayshon!

        • merriel46

          @ReginaldZenkewich  First we have to get rid of dirty hairy reid.  The impeachment papers have been in Congress for months. dirty hairy will NEVER let them go to the Senate.  he believes that obama can not only calm the seas; he can also walk on them.

        • BushMaster63

          @ReginaldZenkewich  @merriel46
           Now we are talking about something positive….constitutionally mandated action!!! I’m in, and it applies to alot more than just the white house.

        • MaryCrum

          @ReginaldZenkewich @merriel46 Me too, but we need a strong leader with clout.

      • muhammed666

        @merriel46  @ReginaldZenkewich I will join you !!!! Americans need to stand together. we need to start a petition for derelection of duty if not anything else

    • MaryCrum

      @ReginaldZenkewich How in the world could that be accomplished? We need a strong leader who believes in the Constitution. If the Legislature would do its job, this could be one. There is no doubt that he is undermining the Constitution and is betraying this Country.

  • Avvio

    The word of God has to be my daily vocabulary in all my affairs, not only in church. How has limiting it become politicly correct? I know its not God correct.
    I have to always be faithful knowing God is seldom early but is never late!

  • AnnetteAkerman

    I thought 0bama was a Constitutional lawyer; therefore, he ought to know that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over the making of the laws of the various states!   Any and everything he is putting into place is a fraudulent assault upon this Republic and its people.  He knows it, we know it, and sadly but with no assistance forthcoming from our representatives – they all know it as well.  This government is a serious joke. Just be prepared, folks. Worse is yet to come.  His Muslim buddies in Iran have already alerted us that they will begin jihad upon us, France and Germany  within 6 mos.  It’s true – Look it up!

    • steve holmes

      @AnnetteAkerman o’bama was not a REAL professor,. He had some lesser title. The only reason he paid attention to the Constitution was to learn how to DESTROY IT!

      • Inspiri

        @steve holmes @AnnetteAkerman. Really?!! Do you share that thought out loud? Is that something you can share with your colleagues at work, friends at the coffee shop? Who are you people. And where do you live?

        • steve holmes

          @Inspiri  @steve I blog a LOT and share my opinions ALL the time. Unfortunately, I live in a Liberal state/city/community and I’m a minority.

        • BushMaster63

          @Inspiri  @steve
           I don’t know about them, but yes I speak my mind wherever I go, and make sure that what exits my lips is based in fact, not fiction….Fact: Obama was born in Kenya in 1961, fact” Obama’s current SSN doesn’t pass E-Verify, fact: Obama recieved a 100% Islamic education in Indonesia, and his real name is Barry Soetoro. fact: he never renounced his Indonesian citizenship, and I can keep going on and on….the bottom line is that we have no “legal” acting President, and his actions prove that he isn’t American at all, and in his books “Dreams of My Father” he states his hatred for white people and western civilization…..and in “The Audacity of Hope” he states, and I quote: “should the winds blow unfavorably, I will side with Islam”. He is too self important to even hide his contempt for us and far too vain to even care….plug your ears and shut your mouth long enough to just see what his actions have brought upon us….

        • AnnetteAkerman

          @Inspiri  @steve Who I am is right in front of your face – where I live is none of your business.  Do I share these thoughts out loud – yes I do.  It’s called “freedom of speech”.  Try it sometime!

        • Inspiri

          @AnnetteAkerman @steve. You would not know how to sit across the Jew, gentile, Muslim and agnostic and have an intellectual conversation. Instead of sharing that what is in common, you would harp on their devil ways. That is why the zealots will never take power in America ever! They would cause a lifetime of enemies and war…call it Crusades 2.0. Truth is I have friends from many beliefs, races and creeds. Because I don’t judgment. The agreement is based speaking and walking with honesty and benvolence to others

        • MaryCrum

          @BushMaster63 @Inspiri @steve I believe all of this to be true. One of my many questions is how and why did the FBI let this pass?

        • steve holmes

          @MaryCrum  @BushMaster63  @Inspiri  @steve The FBI and CIA (some but not all of them) are complicit in it. They were involved in the Kennedy assassination and MUCH more. Together, they’re the muscle for the MOB that has taken over the country.
          There’s LOTS on this sort of stuff on the Internet and much more than I have time/interest to tell of here and now.

        • MaryCrum

          @steve holmes @BushMaster63 @Inspiri @steve That is pretty much what I figured. Thank you for answering me.

        • Quanuck

          @Inspiri  @AnnetteAkerman Inspiri.. you are wrong. Because Christians are against homosexual marriage doesn’t mean we are against homosexuals.. just your agenda. It is YOUR agenda that is bigoted against our moral values. We are no better than you or anyone else. WE are ALL sinners. All homosexuals have to do is have a civil union and then you have all your rights. Marriage is between a man and a woman. These are not civil rights, just reality.

        • Inspiri

          @Quanuck @AnnetteAkerman. No no not so fast. Marriage is God’s eyes is not giving a gay spouse the same federal rights as a heterosexual spouse under the constitution. Ambiguity on this is paramount.

      • dcjdavis

        @steve holmes @AnnetteAkerman Steve, I do believe you have pinned the tail on the donkey.

      • MaryCrum

        @steve holmes @AnnetteAkerman He learned well, didn’t he? That is one of the best ways to learn how to destroy something.

    • MaryCrum

      @AnnetteAkerman I am aware and agree with you. We are in for a blood bathe in this country and none of us are used to that.

  • stampere

    Have a Question for Mr Obama ( not President because a president would not stab the people in the back).Is he a Christian like he says he is, or Muslim like he claims to be, or is he bisexual.because if he was Christian or Muslim he would not allow same sex marriage at all.God specifically says, Marriage is the union between a man and a woman.God created Adam for Eve and Eve for Adam, not Adam for Steve or Eve for Evette.Look what happened to Sodom and Gamora,Our Military is the a Military any more, it has become a joke to other countries,

    • steve holmes

      @stampere o’bama is mentally screwed up. His “uncle Frank” was a sexual pervert and barry shows the signs of that abuse. He’s bisexual (or maybe just gay since he chose a masculine “woman” as a wife) and his “lovers” have been Reggie Love, Larry Sinclair, the three guys who “died mysteriously” from his old church, and probably a lot more that we don’t know of (back in college). As to religion, he has no clue. He’s most likely a communist atheist.

    • Inspiri

      @stampere. I am not aware that Obama was elected to comply with biblical definition of marriage. The fed guarantees rights to the spouse and Obama is too smart to let DOMA deny a citizens rights. Go to church, stay there and chasten to your hearts content. Hey, may I recommend Footloose. Great movie; brilliant modern day parable.

      • Quanuck

        @Inspiri ANY citizen has rights to marry… any man CAN marry any WOMAN and vica versa..

  • tescon

    limited political power?

  • jimmygarner

    @Southrngirl77 thanks for this most informative article. My God, my Wive, my Son, my Vows.

  • J Joy

    This author is willing to go to jail and even be tortured for his Christian beliefs.  You don’t see that attitude from Obama!!  Obama, has your level of arrogance gone so out of control that you think you can tell God what is right and what is wrong; that you can change the Bible??  You proclaimed yourself to be a Christian for over 25 years in the debatable church of Rev. Wright but were you really a Christian??  How is it that you can cross God’s definition of marriage?  Do you think that God will really understand that you are willing to put Christianity aside and that you are just out for as many votes as you can get?? God is not going to understand your power hungry behaviors and he will be your judge concerning ALL of your decisions, behaviors and attitudes!!  God is not going to be pleased that you violated your oath of office in favor of your personal power hungry attitudes!!  Think on that, Obama!!

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri, Wow! It must be a heavy responsibility to be the beacon of knowledge, truth and reason. You must be beyond Mensa, have a Doctorate in several subjects, are totally well-rounded: can gee haw from your conscious to your other-than-conscious mind and assimilate with the wisdom of the ages. How do you do that and where, oh where, do we genuflect?

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. Ha ha funny. It’s a simple recipe; 2 parts reading, 1 part curiosity, 3 parts cognitive dissonance.

      • BushMaster63

        @Inspiri
         You left out the biggest contributor…..blindness

  • Inspiri

    This has been most educating. Here is what I learned these past 48 hours. The religious zealots claim a moral high ground, while chasten anyone that does not share their interpretation. The claim to enlighten the world, while calling their flock children of Satan. You square all of this ugliness with a simple congenial parting, “make god bless you”. You deserve nothing but the company of your own kind. Please form a commune and stay out of my church.

    • Ithamar

      @Inspiri Those who say to you “God bless you” are partakers of your evil deeds. They do so ignorantly, and in their Biblical ignorance are “casting pearls before swine.

      • BushMaster63

        @Ithamar  @Inspiri
         Very well said Ithamar, I myself am now following Biblical advise to not argue with this fool, I leave that to God.
        Peace, and may God Bless his children in America in these timutuouos times.

        • Ithamar

          @BushMaster63  @Inspiri Thanks, sometimes I have a problem in which Biblical instruction to apply: “Answer not a fool according to his foolishness, lest thou also be like him; answer a fool according to his foolishness lest he be wise in his own conceit.” Proverbs 26: 4, 5.

        • Inspiri

          @Ithamar @BushMaster63. Proverbs…that was clever. I’m kind of done with this blog. I think I’ve dropped enough evil seed to keep you reading the bible all weekend (sorry, that was mean). Just cut back on “your Satan’s little evil helper” and you’ll have greater influence…which is what I know all of you desperately seek

      • Inspiri

        @Ithamar. My wish is that one day someone you love and look up to will tell you are wrong; that your passion is better served in other ways.

        • Ithamar

          @Inspiri Which is the greater lie, your desire to ‘shove your fist up my rear’, as you posted earlier, or the lie you tell now. Do you not know that you will be held liable “for every idle word” you utter, much less your vile rants.

        • Inspiri

          @Ithamar. Oooh, I have many desires, the least of which is to endulge in some word play. I am comforted by my good deeds…the most of which, is to lend support to all of my good brothers and sisters. That, my friend is what separates you and me.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri “…and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;”  Those ‘good deeds’ are meaningless, and they should not be a comfort whatsoever.

    • MickeyDavis

      @Inspiri Hey Stupid, what you are accusing other people of doing, you are truly guilty of.You would be so happy if everyone would agree with your sodomite bend- dover thinking that you are so miserable with.You demonic idiots really scream when confronted with the truth.

      • Inspiri

        @MickeyDavis. I will never be comfortable with that thought, but then, I DON’T HAVE TO. I worry about leading the best life. It is not your authority to exterminate gay behavior, or try to correct. Let them live in peace zealot!!!

  • MaryCrum

    For MickeyDavis: You are right. We must all pull together and stand firm if we are to save our nation and our freedom.

  • muhammed666

    @ttpog theunclemike  It is really amazing how many Americans that do not know the difference between a democracy and a Republic. Our constitution makes us a republic which we hold sacred in the administration of our country. Or should anyway. Socialist beleive that the will of man supercedes any higher authority such as God based on their own selfish desires. I

  • muhammed666

    karolhancock  If your research drives you away from true bibical principles then you may be taking a chance of being misled. Only if you beleive that the Bible is the infallable word of GOD will you stop searching man made opinions or secular views. The King James Version of the Bible is one of the oldest text of the Bible that has not been altered to satisfy other man made views. Karol you can see by the stated of our country that we are clearly in bad shape morally, there is no doubt. Our values have shifted from obscuring Christianity to the point we can all travel guilt free in our own sinful endeavors. Versus making a stand that may take some strength and perseverance.

  • muhammed666

    @Inspiri  My question is where do our rights come from ? If anyone is trying to tell you anything that may save you in eternity than it is worth considering. Sodom and Gemorrah had “rights” that they chose. This caused the city to burn. Bibical principles if you choose to follow them protect you (us) from ” rights” that a merely sin cloaked in sheeps clothing. Be careful my friend. God wants the best for everyone, but in the end it is your choices that will determine your destiny. Not the governments.

    • Inspiri

      @muhammed666. I treat people how I want to be treated. It is the simplest purest forms of humanity; Christianity at its finest. Please reconsider your behavior. I don’t want it spoiled.

      • muhammed666

        Ok I think ? Im not sure what behavior your speaking of though. Our Government’s behavior is what is driving people apart, not healthy debate. We are the divided States of America thanks to the annointed one , Barry Soetoro. And my philosophy is that if we are not careful regarding our rights , we will lose our right to the pursuit of liberty and happiness. Thas all I was trying to convey. If you thought I meant otherwise my mistake.

        • 1953mjr

          @muhammed666 boy do you have a very short memory.. The country was very divided long before Obama won.. It was divided when Bush stole the election in 2000.., and it was divided in 2004 as well. And let us not forget the election of 2008! People thought that maybe Obama would bring back a little… But then you get people like Rush proclaiming the Obama should fail. Then you get Senate minority leader McConnell stating that it was his job to make Obama a 1 term president and that he should fail. Well apparently the majority of AMERICANS felt otherwise and re-elected because the alternative was far worse.. People here can preach their hate all they want. They can live in their fantasy house, ” preach to the choir,” but at the end of the day… The fact doesn’t change.. Obama is still president, we live in the 21st century, and nothing you can so will change that..

        • Badabing32745

          @1953mjr Well, division is another topic that can get us off track. What is interesting is the contrast one can see through time of how united this country was decades ago; when one party became known for tax and spend; when free love and “if it feels good, do it; and when we responsible journalism, respected many of politicians. A felony in the schools was to get caught running in the hall. The dinner hour was for family communication; love, discipline and encouragement. It was quality family time. There are still the basic traits of hunter-gatherers and nesters. Thousands of years of instinct can still be changed with new tribal behaviors leading to changes in neural conditioning and societies can die off.
          However, how high will we raise our moral bar? Who will be the givers and who will be the takers? Who will be the leaders, or the shapers? Who can envision and who can be the hamster in the activity wheel?
          And who knows when to get out of the box and ways to deal with it?
          Someone said, “if you think you have the answer, you are part of the problem.”

        • MickeyDavis

          @1953mjr  I can not Believe You are as damn dumb as you sound./// Obama is not the president of this USA. Obama is a flat out fraud, A counterfeit . Obama was never elected by the people to be the President./// He only sits in the oval office due to massive fraud.//// He did receive 32% of the vote, the rest of his votes came from 100% fraud./// His agenda is to destroy this country,and with numb -nuts like yourself he seems to have all the help he needs../// Name ONE thing this Muslim has done for this Country..

        • Inspiri

          @Badabing32745  @1953mjr“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri  @Badabing32745  @1953mjr @Inspiri: Supporting and perpetuating a lie does not make peace, it promotes dischord.  Bad Associations Spoil Useful habits.  Enter In Through The Narrow Gate, not the rectum or the mouth.

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter  @Inspiri  @Badabing32745  @1953mjr the lie is the suit of honor you wore once for your country. Your orders are to follow the lead of your Commander in Chief, soldier.  All you have left is your memory of the courage you lead on the battlefield and the example you leave for the next generation.  It is your life that is being judged…not someone else’s.

  • muhammed666

    @buzz13 You dont have to swear you remember anything, thats the blessing of supplying the chapters and verses you may possibly be referring to. If you are being sincere go back and cite chapter and verse. That’s being a bibicla teacher. You are right none of us are any better than anyone else. Whether we are Christian or not, that is not the point my friend.Our job is to share the word of God. We are all sinners come short of the Glory of God, the book of John – I will supply the chapter and verse if you need it.. My bible is at home.

  • muhammed666

    @BushMaster63 Wow well said, well documented with Chapter and verse. I appreciate the time and thought you put into you blog. I copied down the scripture you mentioned which refreshed my mind. Thanks very much

  • muhammed666

    lisahavens you are so very right. Arguing with self professed liberals is like trying to negotiate with terroist. Their agenda is self fullfilment, me, me, me mentality regardless of whom is affected. Proverbs 26:4-5 says states ” do not argue with a fool on his merits, lest you become one yourself. Our president is a president of his own theology.  He is not a man of his word, he is merely a puppet of the devils making. Americans as spoiled as they are will get what they asked for. Remember the old saying “Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.”

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiron, Try non-linear thought
    Of course, you will have to de-bias yourself, but that would mean having the courage to admit that you don’t really know anything for sure. That takes guts and the ability to be enlightened at the drop of a hat. Electricity is still considered a theory, as is anything out if man’s mouth. The difference of one theory over another is the amount of hard-core scientific fact. The difference between physics and metaphysics is that the former has a laboratory.
    John Nash at Princeton won the Nobel Prize for his scientific thesis on “Governing Dynamics”. That upstaged and made redundant one hundred fifty years if economic thought and had break through application well past economics into Wall Street, forecasting, et. al.
    Quantum mechanics, has been surpassed, even beyond the science of emergence, a metaphor of which would mean, “beyond your wildest expectations”. In space time, the experts are fleetingly accurate at best. Insecurity sometimes takes the form of “knowledge as a power play”. Borrrrrrring!
    Ironically, it takes more courage to go into the world of the intangible, what you can’t see in your own hand. You either believe in Christ, or you do not. You believe in a higher power or you do not. If you do not believe that a man called Jesus died because he loved us and died for our sins, so be it. He gave us choice. It s a matter of one’s degree of faith in Christ through God. One’s man’s faith is perhaps stronger than another. There is scientific evidence that prayer improves the physiology.
    Please cite a place where you get your truth, not factoids or statistics. I read too. However, I trust the internet and the media not.
    The shell game, find the shell without the agenda. Read C.S. Lewis’, “Mere Christianity” for ways to take yourself less seriously. After all, the human race is God’s best joke on the planet.

  • muhammed666

    @Badabing32745 Well put my friend well put ! You either have the faith or do not. And if you want it it is there for you. A simple profession of faith to Jesus Christ.  That’s it !

  • muhammed666

    fags4god You are 100% correct what you do is between you and God , what we all do is between us and God. we have the right to choose. I think the Christian perspective is to win souls to God. Not determine which sin is more accepted than another. Sin is sin. we are all sinners come short of the glory of God. Plain and simple. If you choose your tiny temporal time on earth to live the way you choose it is your choice.
    You still should keep in mind that because you believe the way you do doesnt mean you have to deny God either.
    Average life expectancy is what 75 yeras of age. Miniscule amount of time on earth rt ? Infinite life in heaven or hell is boundless beyound our imaginations.  Our destiny is there for only each and everyone of us to choose. Enternal damnation is not my first choice. And believe me when I say, correction the bible says we are all sinners. I hope this shines some light on your topic. God does not hate anyone Gay, not gay, murderers etc. He wants men to confess him as their personal lord and savior and work to convert others and change our sinful ways.

    • nicholasprop

      @muhammed666  fags4god your names are blasphemous..GOD is just and sin must be paid for..JESUS paid it all…HE alone can save you from all sins including homosexuality

  • Badabing32745

    @muhammed666, kind words. It also seems we have an inherent sense of right and wrong. Wonder where that comes from. :)

  • MrLucky

    Micky
    I’m not your friend you sick moron! You will see who’s right when they come to string you up!

    • MickeyDavis

      Mr.Ducky Lucky You are right, me & you are not friends. I have no friends that are faggots

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiron: the interplay of inductive and deductive reasoning, coupled with half-baked logic (try the modus ponens and modus tolens kind), before anyone defines terms and at least follows the rules of debate without snippets, will not even achieve algorithm status let alone allow the math to be done.
    As Christians, and I fail miserably at this constantly, we are to love the person, not the act. And, there is a liberal tendency to redistribute wealth with Mao Tse Tung’s protracted war concept, to chip away at the freedoms we have, based on the rule of law, hammered in the courts, with the rule of law biased with the mob thought and opinion of a majority of public, including anyone who can sneak into this welfare state.
    Choices! We all make them. Some are at the expense of others. Whatever is amended at the Constitution level, in my opinion, should be a role model to our kids. You cannot get a little bit pregnant. The latter statement being God’s purpose for marriage. The law was based on Christian principles. Snippet away, hire a lawyer and, if the law is on your side, argue the law. If facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither is, confuse the jury
    Add the media to try the case and manipulate this, oh so informed and accountable public and you have what brought you this President, who can say anything he wants and not be accountable. Hogwash.
    Meanwhile, drones anyone?

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri I believe it “children of God”. And, of what agenda do they have, what form do they take and do they come in concert with the four horsemen? How about “peacemaking in parallel with servant leadership and planning to avoid failure by keeping the Devil away. Ain’t he good looking, to be sure?!

  • MickeyDavis

    This is for all you numb-nuts. Christians are Brothers & Sisters in Christ, They are to love one another. Evil people such as perverts are the children of Satan by their own choice.//// They are not Christian Brothers & Sisters of The Christian.///// Can’t we just all get along??? NO-WAY, WE have nothing in common.

    • Inspiri

      @MickeyDavis  you dont need to share anything in common to ‘get-along’.  There is much hate in your hate Mickey.  Your a retiree that is spending his days chastising anyone who doesn’t agree with you.  You might be wasting your time on this earth making it a more desparate place to live…but I honestly believe, if I may indulge for a moment, you live in isolation with your thoughts.

      • Inspiri

        @MickeyDavis …hate in your heart

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri Yes I hate and despise all ignorance, and all perverts. they are a bunch of crying ass gimmes that do nothing for there fellow man but try and destroy families

      • MickeyDavis

        @Inspiri You are so wrong, How can two people walk side by side and be in disagreement.This was written by some one much more intelligent than you can ever hope to be./// You can not get good fruit from a bad tree.

  • Troubleshooter

    @Inspiri: @Inspiri: The followers of Christ not only have the authority to chasten those who practice and support homosexual behavior, we have the admonition to do so:  “If any among you have aught against your brother, take one or two others and try to reason with them…”  We are given the instruction by Yeshua the Christ just prior to His being glorified that we should “go therefore into all the nations, teaching them to observe whatsoever things I have commanded you.  His way was to say “Go, and sin no more”  That doesn’t mean don’t do it again today.  It means stop doing it. Period.  Anyone who advocates the stiff-necked rejection of Christ’s description of abominations, including “a man lying with another man as with a woman”, is rejecting the love of the Father as well as the gift of the Son.  It doesn’t take a genius or a Hebrew or  Greek Scholar to understand that.  To encourage someone to engage in behavior that increases their possibility of early death by disease is to assume the blood-guilt for that person.  Homosexuals commit suicide at a rate 20 times greater than non-homosexuals.  To encourage someone to engage in an activity that puts them at greater risk of the unforgivable sin of suicide is to assume blood-guilt for their death.  To encourage someone to engage in fornication which results in abortion, is to participate in the blood-guilt of the murder of a human being.  It doesn’t take a genius or a scholar to know and understand these things.  All it takes is just the honest admission of the innate knowledge that everyone has that these things are wrong.  You cannot legislate morality, but you can damn sure refrain from legislating or encouraging and supporting mindsets, misperceptions, and lies which result in blood-guilt.  When Christ revealed Himself to the woman at the well, he didn’t say that she had no wife, he said she had no husband.  He had no need to tell her that she had no wife, because no woman has a wife, nor does any man have a husband.  Marriage serves one purpose, to sanction sexual acts for the sake of procreation.  Sex outside of marriage, and sex with an effort to prevent conception are both fornication.  Neither the pretense of same-sex marriage, nor the man-made imitation of marriage called civil unions relieve its participants of their willing fornication, a willful sin, which earns the penalty of death for those who strive under The Law.  For those who follow Christ, salvation is not an excuse to freely and willfully engage in sinful acts.  Those who have true faith demonstrated by their willful and intentional  open desire to be led by The Holy Spirit to do the will of The Father are forgiven of all of their sins, past, present, and future, because even though we receive Christ, we are still bound by flesh; although we are bound by flesh, we are not required to submit to the sins of choice.  Those who do are slapping Christ in the face, and torturing Him anew, because every new sin is added to His agony, because although He has overcome sin, he also became sin so that we could be free of the penalty of sin.  Think of it this way.  Your father who loves you bails you out of jail and pays your fine for drunk driving, and you repay His loving kindness by opening a bottle of whiskey and climbing behind the wheel as you leave the courthouse, sticking your thumbs in your ears and wiggling your fingers at Him as you mock Him while driving away.  Homosexual behavior is just like that, only it also carries the blood-guilt that the dui driver carries when he crashes into another vehicle and kills those in it.  It doesn’t take a genius or a scholar to understand that this is wrong.  The father doesn’t hate the drunken, murdering son, He just makes a decision to tell Him every time He sees Him that what He does is wrong.  The son still has the choice to continue in His behavior, and the father will not stop loving Him, but He will suffer everyday because of the callous indifference and selfishness, and because He loves the errant child, He will continue to do whatever He can to get him to do what is right.

    • Inspiri

      @Troubleshooter “go therefore into all the nations, teaching them to observe whatsoever things I have commanded you.  His way was to say ‘Go, and sin no more’”. That is hardly permission to chasten.  Your interpretation is obsolete. Further, you attempt to link homosexuality to murder/homocide is desparate at best.  I agree with your interpretation that gays reject the love of the Father & Son.  But that is their fate at reckoning.  What of the agnostic, atheist, and Jew?  Are they too destined for eternal fire?  Don’t bother to answer that question.  The point is this: The justice system will determine what protection is afforded to gay people.  Not you.  Stay in church, chasten among friends, and love your neighbor. Teach if you chose, but hate no more.  Your life will be judged by the love for God and all of his creatures…truth.

      • MickeyDavis

        @Inspiri I see you still can not get your head out of your Ass.You are blind to any and all truth.just a piece of dried dung blowing down the road.

      • Troubleshooter

        @Inspiri@Inspiri: We are admonished to set ourselves apart from those who practice immorality, and their is nothing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ that is obsolete.  Everyone who rejects Christ IS destined for eternal fire.  And as an apparent imbecile you may have difficulty understanding this concept: As a Citizen of The United States, I AM the Justice system.  I am required to Hate what God Hates.  God Hates Sin.  Homosexual behavior is a sin.  Failure to warn others of their impending eternal death is also a sin, and one that I will not be guilty of.  I am quite able to love the sinner yet hate the sin.  Do you think, in your twisted and anti-Christ thinking, that you show love for others by encouraging them to pursue death?  I AM done with you, because you have been told the Gospel Truth, yet you reject it.  Get thee behind me Satan, The Lord Yeshua HaMashiach Rebuke You and all your works.

        • Troubleshooter

          Yeah, I know, “there” not “their”.  Insignificant error in this context.

  • ttpog

    To equate disagreement with hate is the means by which so many in this debate deflect from the argument.  If an opponent can demonize you by assailing you with accusations of hate – not loving thy neighbor – they have effectively cast suspicion on the very character and motives of their opponent.  It is a disingenuous argument and one that proves they have no valid argument otherwise, so the need to resort to such tactics is very useful to get them out of a tight spot, so to speak.  Just as I have the authority to discriminate against Wal-Mart when I choose to shop in Target, I have the same authority to discriminate against behaviors that people may exhibit.  This is true for the Christian and non-Christian alike.  I not only have the authority to do so as a Christian, but I am commanded to judge the fruit of men.  Not leaves (professions), or appearance, are the proper tests of the life that is in the tree, but the fruit it bears. We are to test men and every institution by this principle.  Character is satisfactorily tested by its fruits; the “conduct” – the fruit – is to determine the nature of the principles.  To imply that this act of judging is an act of hatred, or not showing love to my neighbor, is a patently false implication and ludicrous on it’s face.  Where sin may enter the equation is when someone acts in an un-Christlike manner to those whom we may pass judgement.  I may judge that the person in front of me in a check-out line is a person of low character based on his words and his demeanor, but to then treat that person in a rude or condescending way would be wrong.  I may choose to leave that line and go to another to protect my young children form seeing and hearing things I disapprove of, but I should not act rudely towards them.  However, if that person perceives that I have passed judgement and becomes offended that I chose to move my children out of harms way, that then discriminates on my right to choose what behaviors I deem acceptable.  Again, this is true for the Christian and non-Christian alike. To discriminate in this manner is a God given right, or just a right if you choose to take God out of the equation.  I tolerate many things on a daily basis, but I do not have to accept any behaviors that I wish not to accept.  That is not liberty.  Would anyone think it right (or even a matter of a person seeking equal rights) if the man in the check-out line demanded that I not only tolerate his behavior, which I find unacceptable, but accept his behavior as normal and then demand that I be forced to stay in the line with my young and impressionable children so as not to discriminate against him?  Of course not.  We would/should think that to be absurd and an egregious silencing of those who simply disagree.  My behavior in the above scenario would be considered more loving towards my neighbor than the behavior of the man who would attempt to compel me to accept that which I find unacceptable.  The act of judging others should NOT be equated with intolerance, discrimination, or hatred because it is simply NOT the case.
     
    In a free, open, and pluralistic society, there are many behaviors that we may have to tolerate, even though we don’t approve of them. Homosexuals don’t get this distinction. They don’t understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance. They also don’t extend any of the tolerance they’re agitating for to people who disagree with them. Homosexuals silence people who disagree with them at every opportunity which is, dare we say it, an extremely intolerant way to behave! Homosexuals often define simple disagreement with them on issues like same-sex ‘marriage’ and equal (special) rights as hatred, and resort to calling names such as ‘bigot’.  No matter how well a position is explained, or the logical underpinnings behind it, it’s chalked up to hate and bigotry.  Meanwhile, the angriest, most bigoted, most hateful people are homosexuals, railing against what they say is “hatred and bigotry”. This irony is completely lost on them.
     
    The fact that homosexuals will not allow for the rights of others to discriminate against behaviors as they choose, has earned them the chastening they so often receive.  If the man in the check-out line becomes confrontational and attempts to compel me to accept and be forcibly exposed to his behavior, I then have no alternative but to chastise him in my own defense and the defense of my children.  In this case, this mortal not only has the authority to chastise him, but the duty to do so; my freedom and the freedom of my posterity is at stake!  On the other hand, if he, upon perceiving my judgement of his behavior, allows me to peacefully change lines and be free to choose what I do and do not accept, there arises no need for chastisement.  He and I are left to peaceably exist.  I love that man in Christ, but I do not have to accept his behavior.  I love that man as my neighbor in Christ all the while passing judgement on him.  As long as I am allowed the liberty to do this, I have no need to fight for my rights.  Homosexuals are the ones who need to leave it and us alone!

    • nicholasprop

      @ttpog you made some excellent points

      • Inspiri

        @nicholasprop  @ttpog
         TTPOG: Are you homophobic?  Are you uncomfortable with two men kissing in the park?  I don’t have to cast aspertions of hate…let them speak from their own tongues… Troubleshooter: “I am required to Hate what God Hates. God Hates Sin.  Homosexual behavior is a sin.”  How about from MickerDavis: “Yes I hate and despise all ignorance, and all perverts.”  I have faith in the scales of justice for they keep men like these in prison for acts of violence motivated by hate.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri   Inspiri: Deflect much?  I am scared of no one.  Are the two men kissing wives or girlfriends perhaps? Are they simply kissing, or are they displaying levels of passion that begs for the need of privacy?  I am not comfortable with that.  I find two men kissing each other grotesque, but they can do as they please within legal limits.  I would peaceably allow them the liberty to do so.  I can also sit in the park reading my Bible and praying.  I would hope no one has a phobia of that, and I hope they would peaceably allow me the liberty of religious expression!
           
          No, you do not have to cast ‘aspersions’ of hate, but you, and they, do so regardless.  What does any of this have to do with discriminating against behaviors?  Nothing!  As I stated, I have the right and the authority to discriminate against behaviors, and I am able to do so without hatred just as everyone else is able to do the same.  People do it everyday, quite civilly. Homosexuals/atheists/liberals are the exception which garners them the chastening they often receive, reaping what they sow.  Also, ALL acts of violence are motivated by hate at their core, not just a select few!

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri  What are you mumbling about now.// Perverts are filled with  hate. they hate their Mothers, Their fathers and hate all families. That is why they sneak around and seduce young boys & girls. So they can ruin their life like their life is ruined.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog  @Inspiri
           “but you, and they, do [cast aspersions fo hate]” …your blanket statements will get you in trouble in live.  You probably have difficult influencing others and I would suspect you fail at leading others.  To “do so regardless” is evidence of ignorance and intolerance of others regardless of intent and action.  I will guess you get feedback from others of being “judgmental”.  Thanks for indulging me; just trying to understand my audience.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis
           Be careful not to include perverts in the company of good people, loving neighbors, honest men and women…who happen to be gay.  Perversion, the abuse of children, is all against the law and are typically prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  So what is your beef with gays, the law, and the people who value both?

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri There is no such thing as good people,Honest people or good neighbors when it comes to perverts. their life is a lie from the beginning to the end./// They can not be trusted, they are all pedophiles

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. I said gays, not perverts. You are a judgmental prick. You’re a racism pig. How does that feel?

        • nicholasprop

          @ttpog 2 men kissing in an intimate fashion is homosexuality..homosexuality is sin..GOD hates sin

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri  @ttpog    I am in no trouble at all.  You know nothing about me.  I have been married to my same and only spouse for twenty-five years, we have many wonderful children together and still hope to have more. We have successfully raised a few children to adulthood already, with many more to go. They all love their God, their family, their country and are a delight to their parents, grandparents and everyone we come in contact with.  We have (and still are with the younger ones) home educated all of them from the beginning, they are all extremely intelligent, polite, and never been in any trouble outside of their own home.This all has been possible not because we are great parents, or even on the merits of home education alone, but by the grace of God, and the freedom that He gives us to educate our children according to Biblical precepts.  I have no difficulty leading those I am called to lead, and God has blessed my efforts thus far.
           
          You have made reckless assumptions and have proven yourself to be the judgmental one. Typically, if anyone resorts to name calling as you suggest, it is due to the fact that they have no valid argument and that is all that they are left with.  However, I am rarely called ‘judgmental’, as you assume, but I have been told that I am ‘painfully consistent’, whatever that means.
           
          Also, you say, ‘….understand my audience.’  I am not ‘your’ audience as you are the one who responded to my post.

        • ttpog

          @nicholasprop Yes, I agree.  If  the two men are kissing each other, not two men kissing their wives or girlfriends, it is assuredly sin.

        • MickeyDavis

          @ttpog  Really like your response to  Inspiri,

        • Troubleshooter

          @ttpog  @Inspiri @ttpog: I am glad that you caught the reference by “Inspiri” to her “audience”.  That should sufficiently reveal to anyone reading the posts from that source that it is either Theatrics, Histrionics, or Megalomania; certainly all of which are rooted in Narcissism.  I will henceforth ignore Inspiri.

        • ttpog

          @Troubleshooter  @Inspiri   Troubleshooter, inspiri certainly prefers to shoot and run while grasping at the illusion that he/she has a captive audience, yet offers no valid arguments.  Moreover, when confronted with facts and honest debate, inspiri moves on to less confrontational grounds without addressing the things posed to him/her.  A mile wide and an inch deep….

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog @Troubleshooter. That’s pretty. So you’ve moved on to ignoring me. Very wise. “Knowing your audience” is common business jargon. You have to agree I have confronted every single point of “fact” and argument written. I believe we have gotten to the core if it all. The author of this blog cleverly conflated the issue of secular governance and biblical teachings. This issue is a perfect example of how God and Country must remain separate in our Great Society. And all you want to talk about is how homosexuality is the Greatest Of Sins and God’s contempt for it. For the slow, I will say it thrice: I agree with you. There are no more stones left unturned.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri  @ttpog   No, I do not have to agree to something that is blatantly false.  To say that all I ‘want to talk about is how homosexuality is the Greatest Of Sins and God’s contempt for it.’ is a lie.  I spoke of many other things that you simply ignore.  You have confronted nothing except your own ramblings. Enjoy them like Henry did.

        • muhammed666

          No TTPOG is not homophobic, he just wants to see what is best for our country. To protect  that which was founded on behalf of Americas founding Christian values. He sees the eroding of the moral character of our country by those whom which to add or delete from our moral compass. We see that once special provisions are made for groups based on deviant behaviors we will die as a nation. And it is time to step up and stop them. This has to be done because as termites destroy a house one board at a time so will a corrupt Government destroy our moral foundation/our constitution . Have we not learned from history ? Why does one man want to stick his willy on another mans ass ? Plain and simple ” Deviant behavior” this is an issue Inspiri. It is wrong and causes aids virus.

    • Badabing32745

      @ttpog I agree, you made some great points. They will not be answered by line item. Alas.

      • ttpog

        @Badabing32745  @MickeyDavis  Thank you, and you are right.  He/she has yet to address anything I said,  but only deflects and attacks.  Typical behavior from those who have no valid argument though…..sigh!

        • Inspiri

          Commoooon. I have done everything to address each point.  How many times I have to share the perspective that gay behavior is a sin, but not my authority to punish.  In fact, what I have learned is many of those leading the charge to condemn gays do so with hate in their hearts, and that is from their own mouths.  Here is why that is a problem: I read about gay bashing in communities throughout this country and it reminds me of White Supremicists. What frustrates me about all of you (TTPOG, this is the opposite of deflection), is you are unable to see the good person who expresses their LOVE for another man the way you would for a woman. It is Love, the same love I have for my wife and children. I see that, and that is what separates me from you.  What is being perverted here is putting all gays in the same company as your lying gay meth smoking pastor Ted Haggard!

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri Perverts  continually try to put their self in the same boat as racist but it just will not stick. They do this in order to pick up support from those who does not know the difference between deliberately sinning with act of perversion, and a prideful sin of races. Perversion is not a race.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. I’m sorry, but I really don’t understand your response. Nevertheless, I will say again, the gay couple being mindful of their security and plan responsibly for life together (life insurance policy, living will, etc.), are NOT pedophiles. I see now that the link to Satan worship justifies your hate. I thank god that our justice system stays clear of such thinking.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri I’m sure a bank robber sees nothing wrong in stealing. What kind of person would encourage theft, surely  not an honest person. You try to justify,encourage and promote a sin so great , that God called it an abomination.//// Your logic is like obama.s. Saying He wants .to protect children and at the same time supporting abortion. You make yourself out a liar & a thief./// Yes perverts are pedophiles and you know it.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Deflect:  To turn aside or cause to turn aside; bend or deviate; to change direction by interposing something entirely different.  You say:  “I have done everything to address each point. ”  The post of mine that you responded to was a rather lengthy one.  In all of your (quite short) responses to that post, you have not addressed a single thing that I said.  You have instead attacked the character of someone you know nothing about in each of your responses by implying that I have a phobia, in another that I “probably have difficult [sic] influencing others and I would suspect you fail at leading others.”, and that I am intolerant and judgmental. And now your latest – that I am akin to white supremacists with hate in my heart while sitting under a lying, gay, meth smoking pastor named Ted Haggard!  Again: DEFLECT MUCH?
           
          Now, I will AGAIN take the time to respond to your most recent deflection.  I have never punished a single homosexual for anything, and I have never claimed the responsibility or power to do so.  If you care to point out where I have exhibited ‘hate in my heart’, I would be glad to address that.  This is a prime example of you doing the very thing you accuse others of doing (‘…here is putting all gays in the same company as…’).  Not ALL Christians have hate in their hearts or act like white supremacists contrary to your opinion that they do. I will be very accommodating if you wish that I point out the all too many instances of vile behavior exhibited by many homosexuals towards those who simply DISAGREE (Dan Savage comes to mind…), but I hoped you could be equitable and there would be no need to do so.
           
          I have the ability to see the ‘good person’ in ALL people, not just homosexuals.  I see the potential for good in the drunkard and the meth addict, but I do not agree with the behaviors they have chosen.  This is true for the homosexual person as well; I see the potential, but I do not have to accept their behavior.  What about a pedophile?  Do you see the ‘good person’ in them as well?  I take issue with your statement that the love homosexuals demonstrate is the SAME love I have for my family.  The homosexual person, and others, may believe it to be so, but I do not, nor do I HAVE to.  I know this is not the case based on the the things they themselves have said to me – I …’let them speak from their own tongues…’ as you said. The ones I have spoken to that have left the homosexual life would completely disagree with your assessment of the homosexuals ability to express ‘love’ in a normal capacity at all.  One example:  Former homosexual William Aaron explains why even homosexuals involved in “committed” relationships do not practice monogamy: ‘In the gay life, fidelity is almost impossible. Since part of the compulsion of homosexuality seems to be a need on the part of the homophile to “absorb” masculinity from his sexual partners, he must be constantly on the lookout for [new partners]. Consequently the most successful homophile “marriages” are those where there is an arrangement between the two to have affairs on the side while maintaining the semblance of permanence in their living arrangement.’   These are his words, not MY opinions.  You say,  “I see that, and that is what separates me from you.”  You are seeing what you wish to see, not the facts, and what separates me from you is far broader than that!
           
          Now, this response to you ‘IS the opposite of deflection’! (caps mine).

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. You are 100%, my thinking is like Obama, and the rest of the legal system. Stealing from a bank is illegal, a felony and a crime punishable by prison. Loving another man is neither illegal, or punishable by prison. That is the law of this USA. Your logic is similar to Sharia, the moral code and religious law of Islam. We live under secular rule…this is what you fail to acknowledge.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Who has made the claim that loving another man is illegal or punishable by prison?

        • merriel46

          @MickeyDavis  Mickey, pedophiles are perverts not the other way around.

        • stonemike

          @MickeyDavis  @Inspiri Ill agree that ALL HOMOS are not pedophiles, but to claim perversion in one way does not give rise to perversion in other ways is stupid! Why do nearly all homos embrace LGBT which seeks to give license to pedophiles! If I ever catch a pedophile molesting or raping a child, we wont need to argue about details, I will beat them to death, right on the spot! Children have a right to be protected from perversion and ALL NORMAL folks have a responsibility to provide protection AND PUNISHMENT if they see it happening!

        • Inspiri

          @stonemike @MickeyDavis. I like your passion Mike. The law is clear on child abuse and I see no deflection. I am unclear on your statement “all homos embrace LGBT which seeks to give license to pedophiles”. Sex is legal among two consenting ADULTS. That’s it.

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri @MickeyDavis Inspiri dont know how musch you know about sharia law. I got news for you we ” bear arms” and prevent the spread of this governmental cult of the Muslims in the US. Muslims have vowed to take over all countries with their “one world religion” Its a perverted religion as well, pedophilia is legal with children. Beating and killing their wives in tune with muhammeds commands. Stealing from and murdering non-muslims, or in our case, infidels. This is the religion our president was weaned on. I urge all Americans to pay strict attention to what is happening at Mosques in their cities. These are merley terroristic planning facilities for JIhad. I recommend you reading the book , Islam and Terrorism, By Mark Gabriel. He is an ex Imam who changed his name to keep from being murdered after he was released from prison in the middle east. He was trained in Al-azhar university in Eygpt. He converted over to Christianity

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri  @stonemike Call it passion or whatever you please, if I catch this going on , the first responders will be there to pick up a body of human who did not deserve to live! It is fact that I know what I’ll do because i’ve personally seen what “child molesting OR RAPE does to an innocent persons life!

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. When I address you, I make it clear. When I spoke of others, I made it clear. So try not to conflate my statements intended for others as personal attacks. Do you acknowledge the legal basis for gay rights sought by the AG of The USA? Common law in my state (perhaps all) recognizes couples living together with married status. Gay couples simple ask why not them? Any decision to remove discrimination is what makes our country great. You still get to preach about sin and the two coexist in peace! Btw- Mickey used an analogy incorrectly. I simply pointed out the error.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri   Inspiri, this is a public forum; everyone is free to address whom they please.  If you wish to communicate with someone personally, this is not the place to do it.  
           
          Homosexuals already enjoy the same rights that I do as long as they are citizens of this country.  Our Constitution assures that.  They are free to marry. Marriage is one man, one woman.  To give a group of people ‘special’ rights based on nothing other than a chosen behavior is unconstitutional.   True “constitutional” rights place a restriction on the actions of governments in carrying out the law.  When a constitutional right is extended to a group previously deprived of it, no one else suffers any reduction in their rights as a result. For example, when the right to vote was extended to blacks and then to women, this did nothing to limit the right of whites or of men to vote.  Because of our national shame at the historic legacy of racial discrimination against blacks, many people have come to think of “discrimination” as inherently evil. However, the basic meaning of “discriminate” is simply “to make a distinction.”  To compare and evaluate candidates based on their education, experience, intelligence, and competence is inherently “discrimination.” The question, therefore, is not whether “discrimination” will take place—it can, it will and it must. The question for public policy is: which forms of “discrimination” are so profoundly offensive to the national conscience that they justify government action that interferes with the rights of employers and other private entities and gives special protections to certain classes of people?
           
          In the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Congress answered that question by including only five categories of protection. Those categories were: “race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”  For instance, a banker could deny an applicant a loan because the applicant was not credit-worthy, but not because he or she was Jewish or black. What do these protected categories have in common? The most logical answer would seem to be that the case for  granting legal protection against “discrimination” is strongest when based on a personal characteristic that is: Inborn, involuntary, and immutable (like race and color); Innocuous (because it does no harm to the employer, to the individual, or to society as a whole); and/or In the Constitution.  Is “sexual orientation,” like race and sex, a characteristic that is inborn, involuntary, immutable, innocuous, and in the Constitution? Is it, like religion (which is not inborn, involuntary, immutable, or necessarily innocuous, but is in the Constitution), a characteristic that meets even one of these criteria? The only truthful answer is NO!
           
          Your entire argument is flawed.  Now, if you choose to ignore that and remain in your ignorance, you are willfully ignorant. This entire comment, like the others, does not make the first mention of sin, or God’s contempt of homosexuals.  I have not once ‘preached’ about sin. You are the one who injects that into most every comment.

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri Your blog mixed in so many things I agreed with, but after reading your entire thread, I do not trust my “take” on your seeming complacency on a potential moral cancer, the like that forms of which are being taught in our schools. Sometimes, one needs to take a stand for what he believes in. Christianity in general is under attack. The media is against all conservative movement. To disagree with in your face types of whatever stripe and be shouted down for crying foul will be the type of peacemaker the left likes if he turns the other cheek 78 times. I don’t mean silly name calling here. But this type of peacemaker is a simpering wimp.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745  @inspiri  There will come a time when I will have a talk with my boys.  They will know the difference between courage and cowardice.  When one of their friends comes out of the closet they will be faced with the ignorance and hate that is widespread.  It will be in those moments that they will stand for what they believe in.  The decision will be easy for it will have everything to do with brotherhood and fraternity…and nothing to do with Judgment.  For it will be God’s work to decide one’s fate.

      • durrmoment

        Considering Sodum and Gamorrah, It seems God knew what he was doing when he called men with men and women with women an abomination. Bring your children up in the ways of the Lord and they will not stray from it , is not to be used at your own discretion.

  • Bflyboy13

    @TruthGunner Holder an Obama belong in Jail !

    • TruthGunner

      .@Bflyboy13 Yes they do.

  • nicholasprop

    He can and should be impeached..and never forget GOD is in control..he allows and removes leaders at his discretion

  • durrmoment

    It was really sad when the “New Translations” of the bible took out the scripture “as for men with men and women with women, they are an obomination and to be cast from your midst.

    • DrRGP

      @durrmoment From what translations, exactly, was this important passage omitted?    And what is the reference (book, chap., verse) in the “original.”  Thank you.

      • durrmoment

        I know I am supposed to know these scriptures by chapter and verse so that I will be able to quote them properly. But my eyesight isn’t as good as it used to be and the print is very small. I tried to find them on the internet for you before I posted, because I can increase the print size and find things easier, however, they are not to be found. I did look up the original King James on the internet and compared it to the original Bible that I have, but they are not nearly the same…every where I look the quotes are different and the wording is changed. One way I know to confirm you have an original King James tranlsation is if the following scriptures are worded right….”once baptized you “may” enter the kingdom of God. The new translations will have the word “will” in there, which is a contradiction, because “will” is an absolute, and you can lose your salvation even if your baptized. Another is “better to have a millstone tied to your neck and you be cast into the sea, than to “harm or offend” the little ones. The newer translations have nothing to do with harm or offend. I get very mad when I see what is happening to us here in the US and I have to say something. Hopefully you will be able to find this, for I know it to be true. This is one of the scriptures that “stuck” with me, due to disgusting incounters with homosexuals at an early age. But as a Christian I would never embelish Gods word.

        • cyoder

          @durrmoment
           Since the original Greek word translated “harm or offend” in the KJV means “to cause to stumble” or “to entice to sin”, all the modern translations I have  checked have translated it correctly. If you want to know if something in the Bible is translated correctly, it is better check it against the original languge, not against  the KJV.

        • durrmoment

          @cyoder There is only one translation from the original Hebrew that was done by KIng James scholars under penalty of death. They were separated to translate individually, then brought together to compare to get the best possible translation.(and if you look further, these scholars were smarter than today’s scholars). You know what, I think I’ll trust the original King James.

        • cyoder

          @durrmoment
           The translators did NOT work under penalty of death, and while they were separated into groups, each group worked on a different section of the Bible and none worked on the entire Bible. Furthermore, they did not translate directly from the original languages, Hebrew and Greek, but based their work almost entirely on earlier translations, such as the Bishops Bible, the Geneva Bible, and Tyndale’s translation. These are the facts as stated by them in the preface of the 1611 edition.

        • MickeyDavis

          @cyoder  Thank you, What you have stated is common knowledge for anyone who is interested in knowing about the Translations .

    • MaryCrum

      @durrmoment Enlighten me, please. When was that taken out and why? The Word of God cannot be changed and certainly not to suit mankind’s wims.

      • durrmoment

        In the early 50′s a group of secular literary scholars publically anounced that they we going to prove that the Bible was written by man and not by God through man, because man is incapable of writing anything without contradictions and discrepancies. However, these scholars were never heard from again. The reason being, the prominent Bible of the time was the original or old KIng James Version. This bible was translated by King James scholars under penalty of death if translated falsely. To insure this he separated a number of his scholars from each other and then brought them together to compare and get the best translation.
         However, shortly after this all the new translations came out under the premace of making the word of God easier to read. These translations were not preformed under penalty of death, and it shows…It seems since the literary scholars couldn’t discredit the original bible, they decided to make one they could. Besides removing the above mentioned, they changed to make “easier to read” the word “may” to “will” in the scripture “once baptized you “may” enter the kingdom of God”. Puting “will’ in there made this a contradiction, because it is an ablsolute, but all that know the Bible, know that you can still lose your salvation, even if your baptized. Another dispicable change was when they took the scripture ” better a millstone be tied to your neck and you be cast into the sea than do “harm or offend” the little ones. The “New Translations” have nothing to do with harm or offend. It is no wonder we have “pro-choice Christians” walking around….talk about a contradiction. It is sad to say, but we can’t go through this life thinking everyone has the same basic decency that we do. The Bible says to know thy enemy.
         It is also VERY sad to say that trying to find an original translation of the King James Bible is now getting as hard to find as a needle in a haystack. Searching on the internet under original King James and comparing it to the actual Bible…they are not the same.

        • KevinRichardSmith

          @durrmoment Once a person makes the personal decision to confess to God that he is a sinner deserving of spending eternity in hell. Then asks God to forgive his sin and come into his heart and save him. That person can not lose his salvation. Also, baptism is not a requirement for salvation, the thief on the cross is a perfect example.                                                                        Luke 23:42,43          
          42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
          43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

        • durrmoment

          Research the unforgivable sin. The once saved always saved perspective has caused so many problems in Christianity. The main one being I can do anything and be forgiven for it. No fear of God or condemnation. True, once you have the mind of Christ, you don’t sin in this manner, but beginer Christians take this out of context and it leads them down the wrong path. I wish every Christian would do as I have. Comapare the Bible you have now, with the King James original translation (if you can find one anymore). If you were to do this thoroughly, you would throw your new translation in the trash. All these new translations were supposedly taken from the King James Bible (that was tranlated under penalty of death) in a supposed attempt to make it easier to read. However, there was no one standing over them watching when they translated it….and it shows.

        • cyoder

          @durrmoment
          ” All these new translations were supposedly taken from the King James Bible” Not so. They were translated from the original Hebrew and Greek.

        • cyoder

          @durrmoment
          ” However, these scholars were never heard from again.” Untrue.
          “This bible was translated by King James scholars under penalty of death if translated falsely.” Untrue.
          “To insure this he separated a number of his scholars from each other and then brought them together to compare and get the best translation.” Untrue.
          I don’t know where you got this but you were lied to.

        • MickeyDavis

          @cyoder  How can you say you have not been lied too. It seems to me Experts opinions keep changing like the wind.Are you just trying to appear more Intelligent because you read a different opinion.In truth, It would be very  difficult to truly know for sure who is right..

        • DenisKhan

          @cyoder@durrmoment
           It is believed that, when Ptolemy II built the Library of Alexandria in circa 250BC, Six Biblical scholars were selected from each of the twelve tribes.72 scholars were segregated and translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek; each wrote 72 identical versions of the Bible. All made the same correction.

        • Troubleshooter

          @KevinRichardSmith  @durrmoment @KevinRichardSmith: Kevin you are absolutely correct.  Once sealed, Safe. Water  Baptism is not necessary, it is a public testimony to other men of your faith, but NOT necessary for Salvation. Christ Jesus allowed John to baptize him with water to fulfill prophecy.  Once Christ was glorified, those who receive Him are baptized in Spirit and Truth by The Holy Spirit, The Word, and Blood which bear witness of His presence.

        • Troubleshooter

          @durrmoment @durrmoment; If you want to know the Truth, get yourself a Jewish New Testament.  The King James version itself was not completely accurate in its translation, although prior to translations by Hebrew and Greek Scholars which were overseen by Messianic Rebbe, the Early King James Versions were close, but they still focused more on the Law and Condemnation than upon Grace and Salvation.  It is Grace, not the Law, that provides Salvation, through Faith, not works.  We are not able to be good enough.  If anyone strives for Righteousness through Works, he is condemned, because to fail to keep any tinyt particle of the Law, through thought or deed, is to be guilty of violating the entire LAW.  The scripture from Paul in Hebrews is for JEWS who as a people have not accepted Christ, even though many individual Jews have stated their Faith that Christ Jesus is The Messiah.  Those individuals are saved, but as for The Jews, their salvation lies at the moment when EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS that Christ Is Lord.  For those interested, The Encyclopedia Of Cults And New Religions by John Ankerberg and John Weldon, from Harvest House, offers clear and detailed descriptions of the areas in which all translations are flawed, including The King James.  We must remember that it is ONLY the ORIGINAL Hebrew Text and Greek Text that are inspired of God.  The rest are man’s efforts to normalize the language to THEIR understanding of what has not yet ALL been revealed as to meaning.  The book referenced above is a treasure for anyone who wants to be able to identify the false religions we are beset with.

        • muhammed666

          @Troubleshooter  @durrmoment Then are we not just trusting in another man’s translation? Or in this case in men? At what point do we not trust in Gods word through faith alone? I cant quote the verse but there is a qoute that resembles man having so much as a “mustard seed” faith in God’s  word etc…One will grow spiritually. I understand what your saying though as so many people hate or can see themselves having faith in Gods word that they would spend more time disputing it. I believe that to be more of the case today. People can feel less accountable to anyone but themselves. Thus giving themselves a free pass on earth, but jepordizing their eternal life. Not a good trade off by any  means.

        • muhammed666

          @durrmoment @Inspiri  I agree with Inspiri in so much we are not to judge those living in sin whether it be any sin, sin is sin. I believe that if anyone repents for sin and ask God for forgiveness and stops the sin , then they will be forgiven.
          I beleive there is verses stating “Judge not lest thou be judged” I dont have my text handy but this verse Im certain of. Remember God does not hate anyone, but God will judge us in our day of judgement whether we will enter enternity with him or enter into enternity in hell.

        • Troubleshooter

          @muhammed666 @durrmoment@muhammed666:  The reason that I recommend the Jewish New Testament, is that it is translated FOR Jews About a Jew and by Jews, who are raised in the strict adherence to the Tanakh in terms of accuracy.  The desire of Messianic Jews to offer clarity and proof of Christ as the Messiah depends a lot on their willingness to examine the Gospels and meditate upon them.  They will immediately reject translation errors and be lost to the possibility.  I agree that The Holy Spirit must be at work for a person to actually receive Christ, but remember, one sows, one waters, one Harvests.

        • Troubleshooter

          @muhammed666  @durrmoment @muhammed666: Both the Grace and Faith are given to us.  “By Grace through Faith, and that NOT of ourselves, and NOT by WORKS lest any man should boast.”  I have stated in earlier posts that the amount of faith given to us by Christ at birth is more than the mustard seed sized amount needed to move mountains; that is the basis for my insistence that the only works we need to do is believe and receive.  Doing so allows us to accept the invitation from Christ to move into His rest.  Our Eternal Life begins when we accept Christ: Salvation is our starting point in Christ, not the destination we get to by works.

        • Troubleshooter

          @muhammed666 @muhammed666: Contrary to what Inspiri may try to lead others to believe; I never said that God hated anyone:  I said that He Hates SIN.  Don’t allow yourself to fall into the trap of the word-twisters who, being led by Satan, the Father of Lies, will use any and all means to stumble us.  Christ knows this as well, and that is why His provision, once received, is irreversible.  The only other question remaining is, in addition to eternal life in the presence of God, what additional reward some might receive by virtue of their obedience.  Does that help?

        • durrmoment

          @cyoder BULL. The premace was to make the King James easier to read because of all the “thees” and “thous” that are in it. Were you around during this period? I was. And interestingly enough this all took place right after a group of secular literary scholars claimed they were going to prove the Bible was writtem by man and not by God through man, because man is flawed and it would have contradictions in it ….well the couln’t do it. But they dang sure wrote theyre own versions of the Bible that were slap full of contradictions…ta da…now when they go to disprove it, they will be able to. Welcome to your new translations.

        • durrmoment

          Where did you find it was untrue???? This is well know history

        • durrmoment

          (uncontrollable laughter)…I’m quite sure a book called “The Encylopedia of Cults and New Religions” would say that all are flawed….but in all honesty the new translation were purposely flawed so people could make statements like this…however the original translation is NOT. And it was tested by minds far more intelligent than Ankerberg and Weldon.

    • MaryCrum

      @durrmoment Sorry. I misspelled whims.

  • Badabing32745

    At The beef I have is when anyone, regardless of subject matter gets in my, or anyone else’s face and attempts to instruct them that “it” is an optional and “equal” opportunity. Coupled with the fact that the activist activity was a strategic vote getter; and was a beacon for others to grow up in new cultures where morality became just another option, why Babylon, here we come.
    Incidentally, in response to an earlier blog, public displays of affection: exactly who are they trying to impress. All the world loves a lover, except when the lover is “in your face” about it.
    Three things you cannot hide – money, education and class. For many, gone with the wind.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. I’m not sure I understand you. Are you angered when two men hold hands in public, kiss in the park, take wedding vows for their union? Is it your beef with other people’s lives?

  • muhammed666

    @stonemike Hey Mike what is LGBT ? Im guessing the first two letters are  Lesbian Gay…then Im lost. please advise

    • ttpog

      @muhammed666  @stonemike bisexual, transgender.  However it ought to be LSBT, lesbian, sodomite, bisexual, transgender.  Or better yet, LOST!

      • muhammed666

        @ttpog  @stonemike AHHH I feel really “DAH” now- Ok I was close. Thanks for the feedback TTPOG.

    • stonemike

      @muhammed666 Just because our UNAMERICAN FEDERAL GOVT seeks to accept and legitimize perversion, and eventually child rape and sodomy does not mean the American people approve! I know hundreds of people and I dont know ONE that believes homosexuality is right!  I do know plenty who would ignore the SICKNESS if homos just didnt try to force the perversion into mainstream society!

      • Inspiri

        @stonemike @muhammed666. Point of clarification. The fed does &will not legitimize child rape. This is a secular govt and therefore can not discriminate against sex or love between consenting adults. That is the beauty of America. Just like we must tolerate rants of the most hateful and extreme of our citizenry. I don’t make gay people and I don’t force homosexuality on you.

  • Badabing32745

    Thank you
    More to follow. Happy hour!

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri I would if I was externally driven, and let others’ actions affect my mood, blood pressure or my emotion. What I do allow is anything that combines to destroy what this great nation from within or without. To attempt to trivialize the issue by asking if an act of affection is offensive is what politicians of both stripes use, trying to get their points across: inductive reasoning.
    God loves unconditionally, until one sins unconditionally. Homosexuality is unconditional sin by any definition of God’s Word. We all sin, but to sin as a lifestyle in God’s eyes will be very interesting to see what happens on judgment day. So, the issue I have goes to the root, not the symptom. And that applies to anything that is part of a bigger scheme to blaspheme God, our freedoms or our right to protect our children and families from a
    wholesome upbringing.
    And, if it were not for Hispanics, this nation would below the 2.1 minimum for continuing its culture. God’s purpose for marriage is procreation. Now, parthenogenesis could be interesting in the courtroom. But then, you can have the emerging society it inhabited.
    Then too, we have not brought up the yin and the yang. Inductive reasoning would give examples of successful gay unions. One may snippet any subject under the sun. That only hides the main issue. I will illustrate: children raised in a nuclear family are, with exception, better balanced. And, homosexuality is still, unconditional sin, yet I brought up a supporting statement below the original. It’s still unconditional sin. Now, what about your question about two men kissing?

  • Badabing32745

    I meant that I do allow myself to get mad at anything that combines to destroy this nation in any way… I mistyped in the earlier blog

  • Badabing32745

    @ inspiri: Here you go again, supporting anything in law that will support the low road instead of the high road. There are cultures inside the U.S. that think being a felon is cool. Shacking up increases our illegitimate count. When will they become the majority? I think the Scots have it right: “I’ll take the high road and you take the low road and I’ll be in Scotland afore ye.”

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. It has been said that this legal move gives gays “special” rights and that’s unconstitutional. While I understand the concern, the opposite is true from a legal perspective. The amicus brief in the case challenging DOMA, United States v. Windsor, argues that DOMA violates same-sex couples’ right to equal protection under the law. The courts will decide and thus, our republic is stronger. Not because gays are citizens too, but because our judicial branch is able to weigh in with the least amount of influence from outside forces.

  • Inspiri

    High road is your judgment. But let’s talk about judgment. So Matt Barber thinks the brief is wrong on 2 counts. The problem is the first provides a partisan opinion; The second, a legal argument to brief (again, an opinion to be decided upon in court). Im not suprised coming from a graduate from Pat Robert’s law school. And what would one say about that? I’d say an employment rate of 24% after graduation says it all.

    • muhammed666

      Look at our unemployment today- doesnt seem to raise an eyebrow to the inept that support this admistration. Pat Roberts Law school has more integrity in its name alone than all the so called Ivy league American indoctrination tanks combined. Are you kidding me or are you really that naieve ?

      • Inspiri

        @muhammed666. How can I be naive when I’m armed with the facts. Have you heard of Fordham University Law School. It boasts a 85% employment rate. Even when you strip out the BS data, they are still at 62% gainfully employed long term. That’s credibility.

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri I cant argue with the facts. However I havent seen the data so I cant discern percentages with you.

        • ttpog

          @muhammed666   The Regent University class of 2011 had an employment rate of 77% with 4% pursuing an additional degree..  Look it up at regent ‘dot’ law school numbers ‘dot’ com.  Be sure to change ‘dot’ to an actual period.
           
          This site: http://law-school.findthebest.com/l/173/Regent-University has the employment rate at 88.4 percent.  Look it up.  You will see that the numbers are much better than inspiri portrays them to be.

        • ttpog

          @muhammed666 http://regent.lawschoolnumbers.com/  This is the first link.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog @muhammed666. I was referring to 2010 stats, which Regent is not reporting. Further, they do not include the actual numbers gainfully employed. They do make a not that only 72% of graduates chose to report. Law schools have been criticized for overstating emploment data. Regents games data. I quoted Fordham because they give you the FULL picture. Coming into Regents expecting to come out with a $150k salary, instead making $38k doing clerical work, or worse, as an intern is not EMPLOYMENT.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri The graduates were not hired to do clerical work or intern. Many students do this while still in school, but not post-graduation.  Give the proof of that, if you can.  You have proven to not only be disingenuous, but a flat out liar.  First you make the claim that the employment rate was 24%, now you back peddle when your claim is proven to be a fabricated one.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. I said 24% of graduates in 2010 were employed (9 months later). Someone quoted 2011 from Regents’ website. It footnotes that only 72% of graduates responded. That is incomplete data from source. Others sources like US News Report state problems with said stats. I respect law schools that provide full disclosure. Your attempts to talk smack have only made you look foolish

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Your initial comment was, ‘I’d say an employment rate of 24% after graduation says it all.’  You did not include a date or a time frame.  You did not post a date until AFTER I exposed your lie.  Make stuff up much? When your own comments prove you to be a liar, you would do well to not accuse others of looking ‘foolish’.  You seem to have perfected that art quite well.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Try harder

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri No need, you make it very easy.

      • ttpog

        @muhammed666 Are you talking about Pat Robertson’s law school, Regent University?

        • muhammed666

          @ttpog Yes

  • Inspiri

    The Constitution charges the President with Another perspective “…, when the Executive faces a law that he believes is unconstitutional, he must decide whether the law should be executed as written and defended if attacked, or whether the duty of faithfulness to the Constitution requires its repudiation.” This decision belongs to the President alone as the head of a co-equal branch of the federal government. The doctrine of separation of powers dictates, inter alia, that the President enforces the laws that Congress passes. But, a constitutional problem arises “[w]hen the President’s obligation to act in accord with the Constitution appears to be in tension with his duty to execute laws enacted by Congress . . . .” When advising the President, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has maintained since at least 1860 that “the Constitution provides the President with the authority to refuse to enforce unconstitutional provisions.”” Perhaps Pat Robertson’s lawyer is bias?

    • stonemike

      @Inspiri There is no such thing as obamas rejection of ‘unconstitutional’ laws in the US Constitution , wake up, every part of the Constitution has been deemed constitutional , and a deranged megalomaniac like obammi should be shot for treason if he picks and chooses what he ‘ignorantly’ considers constitutional!  obammi will be remembered as the worst  enemy to EVER threaten American freedom!

      • Inspiri

        @stonemike. You should write the DOJ. Looks like president has been doing it as far back as 1860. Mate you can change their mind

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri Yeah, even though hes the most vile , racist guy to ever hold office, some of his predecessors may have broke the law too, but hes probably the only one to do it with the specific intent to destroy the country! Plus, I want you to show me anything written that even insinuates that one man( president) has the power to judge what is constitutional and what is not!    Im waiting!

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri Its odd you bring up the other criminal heading the DOJ, I also want to see where its written that the DOJ can decide what is constitutional or confer that ability unto a president!

  • ttpog

    Homosexuals already enjoy the same rights that I do as long as they are citizens of the United States of America.  Our Constitution assures that.  They are free to marry. Marriage is one man, one woman.  To give a group of people ‘special’ rights based on nothing other than a chosen behavior is unconstitutional.   True “constitutional” rights place a restriction on the actions of governments in carrying out the law.  When a constitutional right is extended to a group previously deprived of it, no one else suffers any reduction in their rights as a result. For example, when the right to vote was extended to blacks and then to women, this did nothing to limit the right of whites or of men to vote.  Because of our national shame at the historic legacy of racial discrimination against blacks, many people have come to think of “discrimination” as inherently evil. However, the basic meaning of “discriminate” is simply “to make a distinction.”  To compare and evaluate candidates based on their education, experience, intelligence, and competence is inherently “discrimination.” The question, therefore, is not whether “discrimination” will take place—it can, it will and it must. The question for public policy is: which forms of “discrimination” are so profoundly offensive to the national conscience that they justify government action that interferes with the rights of employers and other private entities and gives special protections to certain classes of people?
     
    In the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Congress answered that question by including only five categories of protection. Those categories were: “race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”  For instance, a banker could deny an applicant a loan because the applicant was not credit-worthy, but not because he or she was Jewish or black. What do these protected categories have in common? The most logical answer would seem to be that the case for  granting legal protection against “discrimination” is strongest when based on a personal characteristic that is: Inborn, involuntary, and immutable (like race and color); Innocuous (because it does no harm to the employer, to the individual, or to society as a whole); and/or In the Constitution.  Is “sexual orientation,” like race and sex, a characteristic that is inborn, involuntary, immutable, innocuous, and in the Constitution? Is it, like religion (which is not inborn, involuntary, immutable, or necessarily innocuous, but is in the Constitution), a characteristic that meets even one of these criteria? The only truthful answer is NO!

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog. I give facts, actual legal precedent, and federal powers as defined by US constitution…and you give the TTPOG opinion on constitutionality. “To give a group of people ‘special’ rights based on nothing other than a chosen behavior is unconstitutional” is NOT an argument. You built an argument based on your opinion. Weak

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri Show me those facts and actual legal precedent, please.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. The most recent post provides the factual basis for the arguments for calling Article 3 unconstitutional. The second post explains the reason why POTUS is acting per constitutional powers.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri  In the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Congress gave five categories of protection. Those categories were: “race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”  That is not MY opinion, but law.   We do not protect chosen behaviors, and elevate them to a protected class. This POTUS has egregiously violated the very Constitution he swore to uphold.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. I think you arguing another case. Not that we are lawyers. But the brief is not asking for protective status. It does explore this area. You should read it.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri I read it.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. I read about brief to oppose Proposition 8 in CA. Your right, partly. In this case, POTUS is asking court to look at same sex bans as discrimination. CA gives full rights to gay couples via civil unions. That is why it is likely ban will fall.

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog. Fact: When your wife dies, you are entitled to her SS benefits. That is not true for a gay couple because of DOMA.

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri And it should stay that way.  Read comment above.

      • stonemike

        @Inspiri Sooooo!    If your perversion puts you outside the loop, dont expect the loop to favor you!

  • Inspiri

    It appears the foundation of the argument against DOJ brief presented in this blog is that it gives gay couples ‘special’ rights based on nothing other than a chosen behavior. Well, here are excerpts of the actual arguments. There are facts (be objective). And much of what is stated I have read on this website. “But the Justice Department also makes the case that laws related to sexual orientation should be subjected to heightened scrutiny because gay people have been subjected to a history of discrimination, citing bias in employment and immigration as well as vulnerability to hate crimes and police harassment.
    Additionally, the brief contends DOMA merits heightened scrutiny because sexual orientation bears no relation on an individual’s ability to contribute to society and gays are a minority with limited political power.
    “Historically, discrimination against gay and lesbian people had nothing to do with ability or performance, but rested instead on the view that they are, for example, sexual deviants, mentally ill, or immoral,” the brief states. “Like gender, race,or religion, sexual orientation bears no inherent relation to a person’s ability to participate in or contribute to society.””

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri please reread what they teach you in law school about when either the law or the facts are on your side and whether or not to confuse the jury. And most lawyers are leftist anyway. They make their money in the court room beginning with the fine print. Roberts of the Supreme Court with his saying obamacare was a tax??? Presidents nominate Supreme Court Justices. Justice??? Where’s that?
    Big government, little person.

  • Inspiri

    Jeeeez people! Facts:
    1. Gay people have been subjected to a history of discrimination (evidenced by bias in employment and immigration, hate crimes and cases of police harassment).
    2. Gays are a minority with limited political power (it is estimated that law effects several thousand gay couples).
    3. “Historically, discrimination against gay and lesbian people rested on the view that they are, for example, sexual deviants, mentally ill, or immoral,”. I yield to the many statements made in this blog as evidence.
    You can refuse, but you are all clearly bias

    • steve holmes

      @Inspiri Yes, being gay is a birth DEFECT. It’s due to a hormonal imbalance in the womb. That was in a scientific article but I’d guess you wouldn’t care to believe anyway.
      http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/12/homosexuality-may-start-in-the-w.html?ref=em

      • Inspiri

        @steve holmes. Steve you are such a dope. You just explained why gayness is biological and not the work of the devil, which your boys argue vehemently. This is precisely what your gay son or daughter says to you when they come out of closet, “I was just born this way Dad”

        • steve holmes

          @Inspiri  YOU are the DOPE. I never said it was the work of the devil.

        • Inspiri

          @steve holmes. I said that its what “your boys argue..” Read much?

      • MickeyDavis

        @steve holmes  Steve you are full of it. You choose to believe a lie over facts. 95% of all perverts were molested at an early age before the age of 10./// Before they were aware of their sexuality.So they identified sex with the pervert they first was sexual with.

        • steve holmes

          @MickeyDavis Yes, it’s generational sexual perversion that is associated with a birth DEFECT.

        • stonemike

          @MickeyDavis  @steve holmes Baloney, you will never make me believe being  sexually molested somehow causes perverts to reenact the perversion ! Common sense dictates you would fight perversion not convert to it!

        • MickeyDavis

          @stonemike  What I said about Kids being molested by perverts is a 100% fact.. . This study was done 40 years ago./// As for rejecting the advances of these perverts. the child is usually  threatened with horrible things, such as their parents being killed, or close friends or their house being burned down. Yes when a child is very young they have not established their sexuality.and tend to favor their first sexual encounter, even more so if this is a repeated thing..

      • MickeyDavis

        Steve even the scientific article says MAY HAVE STARTED./// and you choose that over facts because that justifies you lip locking a penis

        • steve holmes

          @MickeyDavis you must be an a-hole  because I am NOT GAY and detest the idea of it. I just posted what I read. If you have something to say otherwise, YOU POST IT!

    • muhammed666

      Why are we biased ? I would do the same regardless of what the issue was. You just cannot force Immorality as a right in this country.In this case its about special privlidges which force discrimination on the rest of us. The more special groups the more people have to create discrimintory laws for. The second ammendment- those who hate guns want to disccriminate against legal gun owners. Again if we follow the rules set forth for all of us Americans in our constitution based on bibical  principles all the whining should go away.

      • Inspiri

        @muhammed666. Of course, I would expect you to do nothing but. Make no mistake, gays will continue to marry in more states of our great republic, they will collect dead spouse benefits, …and they will irk you to the grave.

        • muhammed666

          You are probably correct. My being irked is that if we can help save their souls prior to thier dying thats what i ask God to do for them. If we stand back and let freedom in sin reign free how do we help save our brothers and sisters ? By letting them sin ? No. By beating them down ? No. But I know one thing we certainly should not be pacifying any sinful behavior on to our children.
          Them being gay is not the irking factor its how the government is using it to create a seperate liberal entity to garner votes and diminish traditional marriage values. The government would not be pushing this for them if this group wasnt another tool as an end to their means, they are just cannon fodder to the Obama’s. Just votes. However they have the right to choose before they act.

        • Inspiri

          @muhammed666. You are advancing a theory. In fact, I argue, it is part of a conspiracy theory, narrative that is corroding our body politic. Nevertheless, i dont believe the government is using opposition to Article 3 to create a seperate liberal entity to garner votes and diminish traditional marriage values and neither does 72% of Americans.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Show me the poll that states that.  You continue to make absurd claims, but have no proof to back them.

  • stonemike

    This discussion about marriage recognition is very  reminiscent of the debate about compromising with obama RADICAL PROGRESSIVISM! In analyzing the two you have to decide if compromise with further your ideology OR HURT IT! Unfortunately both of these cases are the same, when you compromise with ‘militant progressivism” in any way, you sacrifice FREEDOM, and when you legalize marriage between anything but A MAN and a WOMAN , you cheapen and de-legitimize traditional marriage! If I really believed this ‘effort” was harmless , it might be different, by I believe the gays have become USEFUL FOOLS for progressivism, who seek to destroy anything and everything that is TRADITIONALIST AMERICA!

    • MickeyDavis

      @stonemike you are much kinder  with words than me. what you posted,I am in 100% agreement with you

  • Inspiri

    This has nothing to do with delegitimizing traditional marriage. You all need to get comfortable with this idea. Yes, it does favor the “sexual deviants” in our society. But you can what for Jeb Bush to defend the DEFINITION of traditional marriage. As far as I know, my church only marries heterosexual couples. Thank Goodness ;)

  • ttpog

    Some advocates of same-sex “marriage” scoff at the idea that it could harm anyone. Here are some ways in which society could be harmed by legalizing same-sex “marriage.” Most of these effects would become evident only in the long run, but several would occur immediately.
     
    Immediate Effects: Taxpayers, consumers, and businesses would be forced to subsidize homosexual relationships. One of the key arguments often heard in support of homosexual civil marriage revolves around all the government “benefits” that homosexuals claim they are denied. Many of these “benefits” involve one thing-taxpayer money that homosexuals are eager to get their hands on. For example, one of the goals of homosexual activists is to take part in the biggest government entitlement program of all-Social Security. Homosexuals want their partners to be eligible for Social Security survivors’ benefits when one partner dies. The fact that Social Security survivor’s benefits were intended to help stay-at-home mothers who did not have retirement benefits from a former employer has not kept homosexuals from demanding the benefit. Homosexual activists are also demanding that children raised by a homosexual couple be eligible for benefits when one of the partners dies-even if the deceased partner was not the child’s biological or adoptive parent. As another example, homosexuals who are employed by the government want to be able to name their homosexual partners as dependents in order to get the taxpayers to pay for health insurance for them. Never mind that most homosexual couples include two wage-earners, each of whom can obtain their own insurance. Never mind that “dependents” were, when the tax code was developed, assumed to be children and stay-at-home mothers. And never mind that homosexuals have higher rates of physical disease, mental illness, and substance abuse, leading to more medical claims and higher insurance premiums. No, all of these logical considerations must give way in the face of the demand for taxpayer subsidies of homosexual relationships. But these costs would be imposed not only upon governments, but upon businesses and private organizations as well. Some organizations already offer “domestic partner” benefits to same-sex couples as a matter of choice. Social conservatives have discouraged such policies, but we have not attempted to forbid them by law. Imagine, though, what the impact on employee benefit programs would be if homosexual marriage is legalized nationwide. Right now, marriage still provides a clear, bright line, both legally and socially, to distinguish those who receive dependent benefits and those who don’t. But if homosexual couples are granted the full legal status of civil marriage, then employers who do not want to grant benefits to homosexual partners-whether out of principle, or simply because of a prudent economic judgment-would undoubtedly be coerced by court orders to do so. This would be unconstitutional.

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog. I like this line of argument. Because it demonstrates how the American public has a stake in this decision. A majority of Americans support gay rights.

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri Have we found a bit of common ground?   A majority of Americans do not support homosexual ‘special’ rights. Homosexuals already have equal rights.  Nine states prohibit same-sex marriage by statute and 30 prohibit it in their constitutions.  On May 8, 2012, North Carolina voters approved, 61–39%, a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.  Overwhelmingly, a majority of Americans have shown they do NOT support homosexual marriage.  Rights are not even a consideration since they already enjoy the same rights you and I do as granted by our Constitution.  ‘Special’ rights should be given to NO ONE.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Guys, I said polling in America has shifted in favor. It is what I will call a leading indicator. I don’t argue the current state. I am saying, that public opinion, the president’s position, and leading states shows future state. You are just on wrong side of trend.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Well, that is a claim that cannot be made without the ability to know what the future holds.  Only time will tell where things will trend.  As for being on the wrong side, that is not true as well.  Things may trend in the wrong direction, but I am on the RIGHT side.

        • Troubleshooter

          @ttpog  @Inspiri @ttpog:  Unfortunately, Polls are generally biased in their results in a manner consistent with the personal beliefs of the polling org.  A poll on pollsters, which I conducted during my Propaganda Analysis In Marketing Classes, reveals this to be fact.  Polls mean nothing.

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter @ttpog. You need to go to better schools. Sure there can be bias in polls, but that’s why we need disclosures on who was called, where did they get info (ex: Fox News subscribers). But the propaganda comes from the trolls that use them to fit a narrative like the fat trip on Fox News that invented the technique. Looking at multiple polls is useful and mostly accurate. It is why, an objective observer, like Nate Silver can predict electorate with 99% accuracy.

      • MickeyDavis

        @Inspiri You are 100% wrong. The majority of Hollywood and Television programs do. But not Americans. About 18% favor this sickness.

  • Badabing32745

    @ inspiri Who died and made you Editor? You cannot continue to hide things under the rug. Well, I guess you can try.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. If this was a theocracy, I would be under the rug.

  • Inspiri

    I learned something new today. The courts already recognize that gays are discriminated against. The president is urging the Supreme Court to give these cases “special review” because of the reasons provided in brief (i.e. subject to bias, minority with limited political power, targets of hate). The long term game is to challenge same-sex bans around the nation.

    • ttpog

      @Inspiri There is no discrimination. The law applies equally to all.  Homosexual citizens may marry right now in every state; there is no law to prohibit this. There are limitations on marriage that applies to all citizens, but no special treatment, nor should there be.  The law does not discriminate between homosexuals and straights. It makes no mention of “sexual preferences” at all.  No one is forced to marry a person of the same sex. That is a choice. Choices have consequences. The same consequences would apply to a hetero or gay person marrying someone of the same sex. Marriage is one man, one woman.  If we allow homosexuals ‘special’ rights, we all lose, them and us.

      • Inspiri

        @ttpog. Crack is whack! so no to drugs. Thirty-eight states have passed bans on marriages between people of the same sex, mostly by amending their constitutions to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman. It is only in last 2 years that 6 states have changed laws to allow union

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Sorry, you will have to explain the ‘crack’ comment, you lost me there.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri You not smoking crack are you?

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri There you go again sounding like all the Dems and the media: “the majority of Americans”. What unbiased poll was that taken from and a majority of whom?” Who answered the poll. A majority of Americans is what, a group that was interrupted while watching the unbiased media, or their favorite soap opera or new youth without a perspective bigger than a gnat’s arse. Oops. Forget that last word.
    One more notch in making this mob rule, right?
    Wrong!!

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. You can call one poll bias. But when all polls say the same thing, you wonder what the polls are actually saying…here are a few.
      Polls in 2013
      A February 6-10 CBS News Poll shows that 54% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 46% oppose.
      Polls in 2012
      A November 26-29 Gallup poll found that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 46% do not.[9]
      A November 16-19 CBS News poll found that 51% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 40% do not.[10]
      A November 7-11 ABC News/Washington Post poll found 51% of respondents support same-sex marriage while 47% are opposed.[11]
      A June 6 CNN/ORC International poll showed that a majority of Americans support same-sex marriage being legalized at 54%, while 42% are opposed.[12]
      A May 22 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed that 54% of Americans would support a law in their state making same-sex marriage legal, with 40% opposed.[13]
      A May 17–20 ABC News/Washington Post poll showed that 53% believe same-sex marriage should be legal, with only 39% opposed, a low point for opposition in any national poll so far.[14][15]
      A May 10 USA Today/Gallup Poll, taken one day after Barack Obama became the first sitting President to express support for same-sex marriage,[16] showed 51% of Americans agreed with the President’s endorsement, while 45% disagreed.[17] A May 8 Gallup Poll showed plurality support for same-sex marriage nationwide, with 50% in favor and 48% opposed.[18]
      An April Pew Research Center poll showed support for same-sex marriage at 48%, while opposition fell to 44%.[19]
      A March 7–10 ABC News/Washington Post poll found 52% of adults thought it should be legal for same-sex couples to get married, while 42% disagreed and 5% were unsure.[20] A March survey by the Public Religion Research Institute found 52% of Americans supported allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 44% opposed.[21]
      A February 29 – March 3 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 49% of adults supported allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 40% opposed.[22]

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri Polls conducted by liberal media outlets?  Yet, when people cast their votes at the polls their votes seems to contradict these numbers.  The majority does not support same-sex marriage.  If they did, there would be many more than nine states that have it.  That fact alone should be valid reason enough to cast suspicion on these network polls.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Great logic.

      • Troubleshooter

        @Inspiri @Moron:  Every polling source a Socialist, Obama-licking rag.  Why not just ask monkeys if they like bananas?

  • Inspiri

    I realize many of you believe Obama is set to destroy America, much like he was going to take your bullets four years ago, pistol in 2013. I found three recent cases that reinforces authority of Executive Branch to oppose a law it felt was unconstitutional. Myers v. United States, 272 U.S. 52 (1926), Freytag v. Commissioner, 501 U.S. 868 (1991), Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579, 635-38 (1952). I know this wont matter to all of you conspiracy theorists. It’s not your style to listen to anyone or thing that is not what you said.

    • MickeyDavis

      @Inspiri Are you receiving a govt check for a mental problem./// Obama has but one agenda and that is to destroy this Nation./// That is pretty damn clear to everyone except you and a few more logger heads.

      • Inspiri

        @MickeyDavis. Mickey, the only thing I believe the president is trying to do is be among the best presidents in history. Unfortunately, he is taking the lead from FDR and Lincoln and it is just a different era. He can not force the tax rates of FDR, and Lincoln’s team of rivals is thwarted by Citizens United and K-street lobbyists.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri Explain then why Obama,s administration has not presented a budget since the fraud has been sitting in the white house,  Why is Obama weakening our Military. //// Why was Obama & Holder involved in the fast & furious gun selling. //// Why has Obama and his cronies lied continuously about Benghazi , The list of what this terrorist has done to this country is never ending./// Yet no one can name one thing obama has done FOR this country.

        • Inspiri

          Mickey, common oooon. It’s not that bad. Fast & Furious, Bengazi, these events are but historical footnotes in Presidential setbacks. Just because Fox pundits are passionate does not make them top. The deficit, debt ceiling, Iraq Iran, health care reform and …YES, the recovery from depression is what matters.

        • Inspiri

          And I’ll go further. He will eventually get acknowledgment for the stimulating (yes, Kensyian) our way out of depression and not thru taxation. He could never get congress to accept FDR-like tax rates (94% after $300k in today’s dollars) but he used our modern monetary system to infuse money where needed. His economic acumen got him elected over McCain and, I believe, won over independents despite Romney

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri His illegal executive orders and his payola to the “lazy scum’ of America , mixed with a LIBERAL (HA HA) helping of voter fraud got him back in office!  Im curious about your politics , but it sounds like you accepted the derangement that accompanies “white self hatred” in the progressive indoctrination!

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri The Truth is obama , Holder, Clinton, Reid , sharpton, Biden are all liars. Leaders lying for personal gain shows the world what kind of person they really are.//// The debt of this country is a disgrace thanks to this bunch of terrorist that should be in prison for treason already

        • Inspiri

          @stonemike. U referring to diversity initiatives in organizations?

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. The budget is a conundrum. Congress does budgets, the president proposes priorities, and we know what the House thinks of Obama’s priorites. I read The House last year passed two measures that sought to replace the sequester cuts and shield military spending by shifting the burden onto domestic programs, including many that serve the poor, such as Medicaid, food stamps and social services block grants that fund programs like Meals on Wheels. The measure was never taken up in the Democratic-controlled Senate. So where do I stand? I stand with Ron Paul; Cut the military by a third! I also read CEO round table wants tax reform that makes US corporations stronger in the long term. We all know that profits are shifted to Switzerland where they pay little or no taxes. I read Obama wants the Buffet Rule (everyone pays a min rate of 25-30%), but that seems to lose GOP. It’s a conundrum. I support a ‘fair’ tax code but Obama is at negotiating table, not you and me!

        • stonemike

          @MickeyDavis  @Inspiri A lot of folks fail to realize that these so-called czars that you and i pay have never had real jobs, they are either wealthy or have been thrust upon the innocent American population as teachers in our communist education system!  Their collusion and planning for the possibility of an AGGRESSOR president like big ears has been going on for decades, and still goes on 24 hours a day in offices we the people pay for! obama is no more than a used car salesman type who pulls the wool over naive folks eyes with his ability to read(sometimes) a teleprompter , yet in reality cant exhibit an over intelligence, not knowing how many states in the nation or how to pronounce CORPS ! Do not give the JANITOR credit for all the manipulations and dirty deals the administration comes up with, it comes from the most DERANGED , UNAMERICAN minds our money can buy!

        • Inspiri

          @stonemike @MickeyDavis. It’s much more than that. The czars are the same army of advisors surrounding the president; they got fancy titles now. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and when saying something in support of a cause wins you friends with $100M to spend on your campaign…legally; we lost our leaders to the uber-rich! The issues suffer.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri @MickeyDavis:  @Mickey, Hey Mickey, this is better than the Comedy Channel.  Obama’s ‘economic acumen”.  LOLOLOL.  Mickey, I’m sure that you are enjoying the process of leading the Moron on this site through as many idiotic statements as the Moron will make; just remember, life is not THAT long. LOLOL.

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter. The banking system got behind Obama in 2008 because he knew what he was talking about. McCain was really struggling to decide what side of bailout he was going to fall politically. Oh, and Thank you for the insult. Coming from you explains everything

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri Your man is never going to be better than worst president ever. No matter how hard he tries.

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri I think it was his ability to buy people off with, well basically doorprizes for the ignorant. Plus that uncanny knack for raising the dead.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri @Moron: okay, just this once, I will Grace you with fact:  The Banking system was forced, through Lawsuits by ACORN, who by the way, was represented in those Lawsuits by Barack Obama, before He was elected, to provide Inflated Loans to Unqualified and Illegal Applicants, which, as predicted back then, resulted in the collapse of our economy.  If you are so ignorant as to be unaware of this, you don’t have any business being unattended by an adult caretaker.  By the way, guess which current Supreme Court Socialist was the then lower court Judge who heard the case, and then later helped Him and defended Him later in disbarment proceedings.  The Chicago Way at work.  Now, leave me alone.

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter. Conspiracy theory purports to explain an important social, political, or economic event as being caused or covered up by a covert group or organization. I give an A+ for effort

        • Inspiri

          @dcjdavis. Campaigning is about making promises

        • Inspiri

          @dcjdavis. He is already ranked at 15. I suspect over time, when the rhetoric and emotions if our time subside, he’ll bump up to 10, maybe 5 during the modern times (next 50 yrs)

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri Your guy is still campaigning.

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri Don’t believe a word of it. Except possibly if in the next fifty years they only get “progressively” worse. Presidents getting worse, that is. Must say I’m not entirely convinced that there will be fifty more years of them at all.

        • Inspiri

          @dcjdavis. Wouldn’t you with an obstructionist congress. The only thing congress wants him to do is pass across the board tax cuts, turn Medicare into vouchers (subsidy), cut food stamps, and double military increases! How can you blame the guy? He’s hardly my guy, but definitely what all of you ascribe.

        • Inspiri

          hardly NOT…

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri  @stonemike Ill agree except no president has been as radical and bent on completely abandoning everything that has built this great nation, plus ALL OF THESE CZARS are extremists, pushing an extremist AGENDA that is not intended as much to govern as it is to alter the way every human on earth lives!  In their demented PIPE DREAMS, money just APPEARS to be redistributed , even as they destroy capitalism and its work ethic!  NATURE WILL NEVER ALLOW NON PRODUCERS TO LIVE AS WELL AS PRODUCERS! The producers will eventually rebel!!!!

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri This is a rhetorical question ” Why dont we have a flat tax?” And get rid of the tax code..? You know why we dont then all of government couldnt manipulate us like they do. They would have to be accountable.

    • stonemike

      @Inspiri Sorry, but “oppose” does not mean the ability to nullify !

      • stonemike

        @Inspiri Also, the Myers case deals with presidential authority to remove people he or the executive branch had earlier appointed, but nothing to do with opposing or nullifying the writings of the US Constitution!

      • Inspiri

        Mike, the courts are deciding on this one. he’s asking the AG to brief the court on a few arguments. Our great legal system is working. I can never understand why people then call Obama a communist, tryrant for following the law.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri   Our legal system is set up to work great ONLY IF those who run it  abide within the parameters that were carefully and wisely set. Sadly, many in our legal system have not done that and are not doing so in this case either.
           
          ‘To the 7,001,084 Californians who exercised their constitutional right to protect marriage, the President’s decision is a deep betrayal of the democratic process and America’s identity of political diversity. Making matters worse, the President’s plan for disenfranchising these millions of voters is bringing the full weight of the government to bear against its own people! By enlisting the Justice Department, the White House is using Americans’ own resources against them to take away their ability to participate in the democratic process. That’s not equality–it’s tyranny. In the hands of this administration, the Justice Department is no longer the gatekeeper of U.S. law but a weapon to bludgeon the American people and change laws. And until the administration puts constitutional principle ahead of its extreme liberal political agenda, marriage will be the first of its many casualties.
           
          Andrew Pugno, the general counsel for the supporters of Proposition 8 stated, “The President has impugned the motives of millions of Californians, turned his back on society’s longstanding interest in both mothers and fathers raising the next generation, and disregarded the rights of each state to decide for itself whether to redefine marriage.”
           
          All of this from a President who said, “I’m not gonna be spending most of my time talking about this, because frankly–my job as President right now, my biggest priority is to make sure that–we’re growing the economy…”
          Two briefs, an Inauguration speech, one State of the Union address, countless regulation changes, and a Pentagon policy on same-sex benefits later, and the President hasn’t stopped talking about marriage since his second term began. Let’s continue to pray that the Supreme Court finds a way to do what no else has: silence the White House by upholding the people’s will on marriage in California–and across the country.’

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. We’ll see. I agree it seeks to override (not disregard) the rights of each state to decide for itself whether to redefine marriage. But I believe the executive branch makes a cogent and compelling argument. This president may go down in history for what he’s done for civil rights. Btw- his work against discrimination against gay people begun with repeal of don’t ask don’t tell 3 yrs ago

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri 
           
          There is NO discrimination of homosexuals.
           
           Are you aware of his discrimination of heterosexual couples in the military while giving preferential treatment to military homosexuals?

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri This megalomaniac doesn’t  honor or adhere to any American law or its process , he only uses some of its processes  to facilitate the destruction  of America! Surely if you’re as smart as you appear you know the basic tenets of radical progressivism calls for exploitation of the very system you seek to destroy! So,,, I must think one of two things, either you are naive and unknowing ,, OR you favor the destruction of our nation !

        • Inspiri

          Mike, I work in an industry that used to use bribes and kick backs to win business. Through self- regulation, the industry has removed all gifts. In fact, I can not take a client to dinner without a mgr that is 2 levels above me. Otherwise, i can only provide $20 lunch at the client’s office. The change is fantastic because i compete on the merits of my goods and services. Refreshing. I liken my work to lobbyist though, K-street lobbyists wield REAL MONEY…aka bribes/kickbacks. I believe the country is being destroyed by money in politics. Obama is not the problem. Though I am disappointed in his pivot on issue

  • Inspiri

    http://flaglerlive.com/26685/gc-fdr-and-taxes/.
    Great article. FDR got us out of debt. He put the burden on wealthy…tax the sh!t out of them. Sorry for the side track. I just laugh when guys like Mickey think the tyrannical communist Illegal alien Obama is set destroy America.

  • Troubleshooter

    Like who, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?  Certainly you have not read the title I referenced, nor have you, I suspect, any familiarity with the structure and authorities under which Ankerberg and Weldon compiled their material.  You are typical of the “Ignorance Is Bliss” mindset which is so far in contrast with The Word in its original Hebrew and Greek texts.  Tell me, which Hebrew School did YOU attend?  Which style of Ancient Greek Language do you use in YOUR comparisons?

  • Troubleshooter

    @ttpog: Amen to “a mile wide and an inch deep”, although your generosity may be too great.

  • Troubleshooter

    @ttpog:  ttpog, Not only is the Moron Blissfully Ignorant, the Moron, is a fabricator.  I don’t recall seeing any posts by either of us which makes reference to “homosexuality as the greatest of sins”.  In fact from what I recall, you and I, and most other followers of Christ here have repeatedly stated that in the eyes of Almighty God, “sin is sin”, and excluding blasphemy, none more onerous in His eyes than the other.  Under the Law, the tiniest offense makes the offender guilty of violating the whole Law, because it was a composite fabric reflecting man’s total inability to be Righteous by Works.  Those of us who are under Grace, and no longer under the Law, recognize that if we, as fallible humans were to describe any particular sin as the worst, it would be the rejection of Christ Jesus.  However, since we observe and do not judge, as we point to what The Word says, we do not have a reference from Christ that makes any statement about the ranking of sin, beyond that of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, which will not be forgiven either in this world OR the next.  So, I guess what we have here, in addition to all of the other MORONIC statements from the Moron, we have the Moron bearing false witness against us. Thankfully, we are not under the Law.  Hopefully, at some point, Moron will join us as followers of Christ, and the MORONIC transgression of bearing false witness, committed only by those under the Law, will be forgiven and covered with Grace.

    • Inspiri

      @Troubleshooter. Who said loving another man was to reject Jesus? That’s who said it. And you rank “rejection of Jesus Christ” the greatest sin. Must I always keep you from wandering?!!

      • Troubleshooter

        @Inspiri @Moron: As Jehovah in the Old Testament, YudHeVavHeh (Yeshua), described that for a man to lie with another man as with a woman as “an abomination”.  When you are trying to twist my words you little maggot, wipe the crap out of your eyes, so that you don’t leave so much evidence of your pathetic efforts.  I have never, anywhere, at anytime, said that loving another man was to reject Jesus.  I have said, say now, and will continue to say what is true according to Almighty God, who cannot lie, HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR is an overt and willful rejection of Christ.  Now, let’s see your effort to twist that, Satan. Oh, and by the way, The Lord Yeshua rebuke you and ALL your works.  (How did you get to be so slow-witted?)

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri @Moron: Also, I did not rank rejection of Christ as the greatest sin.  I said that if I were to describe any sin as the worst, it would be the rejection of Christ.  I did not state that I make that statement, or do you not know enough about grammar to understand the nature of ‘future perfect”?

        • MickeyDavis

          @Troubleshooter  Very well said Troubleshooter. I believe  Inspiri was conceived in the back seat of a car on the MSNBC parking lot.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis @Troubleshooter. Ha ha very funny. You’re right, I did say love, I meant sex with another man. I do use the two interchangeable when speaking in this context. Speaking of which, I believe you are referring to the conditional clause. I see the protasis (“if I were to describe any sin as the worst”) and the apodosis (“it would be the rejection of Christ”). The distinction is between those that state an implication between facts, and those that set up and refer to a hypothetical situation. There is also the distinction between conditionals that are considered factual or predictive, and those that are considered counterfactual or speculative (referring to a situation that did not or does not really exist). Which brings me to my point. Your correct use of the conditional clause is a literary device to absolve yourself of accountability. I recognize your religious explanation, but I see a perfect ploy to obfiscate positions with plausible denial. Try harder…or better, be clear

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri  @MickeyDavis ‘….or better, be clear’.  This coming from one who just admitted to not being ‘clear’.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri  @MickeyDavis @Moron: So, now you think that your weak little mind can read the thoughts of my intentions post-comment?  I made myself perfectly clear.  If I were to use a handgun to exterminate pests, I would use a weapon chosen to accomplish the task regardless of the nature or size of the pests.  Grammatically identical in effect and structure to the one I made regarding the rejection of Christ.  In my comment, there is no evidence that I have bought a handgun to exterminate pests,, or that I would do so.  Yet according to your failed effort at logical gymnastics, I just issued such a statement.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Inspiri  @MickeyDavis @Moron, the only implication in facts is the inference you choose as an internal prop for your theater.  Does the word “FAIL”  appear at the end of your short and un-interesting little act?

        • Inspiri

          @Troubleshooter @MickeyDavis. “O.M.” Obfuscation Masturbation. You ears it here first! ;)

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog @MickeyDavis. I admit when wasn’t clear to clarify my positions. Trust is the only true virtue in life

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri  I will say good nite so you can go and kiss juan or 2 or three

  • Inspiri

    Oh no, not you again. So here is McCain fumbling through the greatest financial crisis in our lifetime…”Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, said McCain’s move was “just weird.”
    “We haven’t heard hide nor hair of Sen. McCain in these negotiations,” said Schumer, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. “He has not been involved except for an occasional, unhelpful statement, sort of thrown from far away, and the last thing we need in these delicate negotiations is an injection of presidential politics.” I can’t find statements from his own party calling McCain inept, but I have listened to testimonies from Wall Street insiders that say, Obama was the man for the job in 2008

    • Troubleshooter

      @Inspiri @ttpog:  Let’s see, ttpog, as rational adults, I think it accurate to say that You and  I believe that a Poll of most Americans would show that anyone who would believe ANYTHING that Wall Street Insiders (the source of economic collapse in America)  say, is obviously not just Moronic, but retarded as well.

      • Inspiri

        @Troubleshooter. You couldn’t lead a cat out of a paperbag. Obama understood banks were suffering a liquidity crisis on a global scale and a run on all banks would be catastrophic (50% unemployment). So he supported the efforts and mitigated impact of crisis. The critique of Obama, and of ALL govt LEADERS AT THE TIME was not to control CEO bonus paid by bailout funds. But that was about optics! intelligent debate continues to argue for break up of banks (I support Glass Steagal), congress did not, still has not the political will to reinstate this regulation.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri Its OK if you call a tree a rock and dry land an ocean./// Just get back on your meds as soon as possible./// You will need to Get deep in those pockets at the gas station, Your Bend dover buddy obama is going to see that gas prices go up to $8. a gal.

  • Troubleshooter

    @ttpog: In Genesis, the Scriptures prove that marriage was intended by our Creator as a Holy Union between “A man and A woman”.  God saw that Adam was alone, so he created Woman to be a companion and a helpmate.  He didn’t create another Guy for Adam to pop in the rectum for fun.  He created a woman, who could help him subdue the earth and along with Adam, procreate to populate the earth.  As in “populate the earth and subdue it”  If God had intended any other arrangement, who would have created it to start with.  It’s the one thing that he has maintained even through all of the other stop-measures.  Scientists now say that hormone imbalances in the womb create the emotional content of gay response to same-sex associations.  Hormone imbalances are a product of man’s interference in just about everything God has created, and whether we like it or not, He still permits the individual to make the mental decision to behave a certain way.  He also promises eternal damnation for those who earn the wages of sin.  Everyone who hears about Christ has the mental choice to accept righteousness and be changed from within by Christ, or reject righteousness and Christ by making willful, knowledgeable choices to commit what God calls “an abomination”  Those who follow Christ are not making a judgement when they say that homosexual behavior is wrong.  We are following the instructions given to us by Christ in the Great commission, as we “Go Therefore into all the nations, baptizing them in the Name Of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, ‘TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE’ taught you.  He taught us, as Jehovah, in the Old Testament, that homosexual behavior is an abomination before God. A sin, which earns the wages of sin.  By accepting Christ, and turning away from willful sin, even those who have in the past engaged in homosexual acts, can be made righteous and escape the wages of sin.  That’s what we are doing when we point out the sin of homosexual behavior, OBSERVING WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO OBSERVE, not judging, but rather offering hope to those who may otherwise believe that they are forever condemned and therefore see no reason to try to stop what they are doing.  When you twist this message, you reject Christ.  No ifs, ands, or buts.

  • Badabing32745

    @ inspiri My compliments! You know what I mean. I received a call from a gracious black lady prior to the election, calling from Chicago. This is the first time, I told her, I took a political poll. It was her demeanor and a rare moment of
    free time that allowed this.
    As she began her “Who, what, when, where and why” questions, I gently helped her expand her questions so she could get behind the programmed sound bite answers. I told her the principle, reasoning and connectivity behind my answers to the point she could answer the questions for me. I would ask her the principles behind her answers so she began to understand my answers. Turns out, the poll was for unearned income tax credit. Before, the pollster was a democrat on the fence about the election. I asked her how she was going to vote after our conversation. You guessed it- Republican. The catch 22 point here is that one can frame a poll (and a jury) anywhere it wants to just be limiting the scope of its answers.
    Set up the questions and watch the receivers catch each basketball. Get a majority of herd mentality and, “Gentlemen, start your engines.”
    The other side has fallen, as well. We desperately need to watch guard our principles.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. You will have learned about polling by the time I am finished with this point (future perfect). There are 4 factors to consider when considering polls: 1. Recency – more recent the better predictor, 2. Sample size – larger the better, closer thousand is best for political polls, not 98!, 3. Pollster ranking – checks for accuracy, 4. Trends count. The best way is to look at polls is to watch CNN, then Fox, then Rueters. They will cover all grounds and help with the other factors where populous stands on an issue. Hope that helps.

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri I know you read my earlier response. Are you dancing the lindy, the frug, the hustle, the swim, or the bop?
        You are sidestepping my recent blog. Just when I think you are improving. Read it again and relate the answer pre post facto please.
        Are you an attorney? No sarcasm meant.

        • Inspiri

          @Badabing32745. Ill do my best… More like ballet, grace meets power. Not an attorney. I cited polls used by Fox, MSNBC and Reuters; all show a consensus has emerged on gay marriage among Americans. Mob rule? Hardly; judicial branch is least influenced by passions in populace…it’s a lifetime appointment.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Badabing32745  @Inspiri @Badabing32745: I can’t believe that the Poll Expert left out the most important two factors in the reliability of the POLL.  1) The Unquestionable, Unimpeachable Impartiality of the Entire Polling Construct, and 2) Equity in Demographics and Geographics with regard to the Polled.  Those two factors are really the only ones that provide the opportunity for validity and accurate representation of the populace.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri What consensus?  The one where overwhelmingly people have voted to keep same-sex marriage out of their states?  Hence, only nine states have SSM. ‘Must I always keep you from wandering?!!’.

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri Im not trying to be smart, but MSNBC has been accused of  selecting data to get the results they want. When you reviewed those polls were they all pretty much within each other from a percentage standpoint ? Curious

      • MickeyDavis

        @Inspiri I can not believe anyone would watch or listen to The Clown Town news also known as CNN and use them for a reference to anything other than a joke.

  • Badabing32745

    @ troubleshooter Amen!

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri The world, especially pollsters and the media ask stupid yes or no questions that do not tell the truth. Secondly, read “The Culture Code,” about one’s “imprint,” the first twelve years of one’s life that cannot be accessed by the owner. Then, read, “The Astonishing Hypothesis”, by Francis Crick: you, your thoughts, plans and activities are the result of the behavior of your neurons and their associated molecules. Then, do the math and get back to me without your valuable help in helping me decide about the pulse of anything.

  • muhammed666

    @stonemike Mike I read this quote I thought you may also find it contempoary with todays society. I am not sure but I think it came from Winston Churchill.  I do not remember. The quote is this “THE FURTHER SOCIETY DRIFTS AWAY FROM THE TRUTH THE MORE SOCIETY WILL HATE THOSE THAT SPEAK IT.”  We definitely see this in Obama’s media coverage, they goe absolutley nuts when anyone second guesses or challenges  the annointed one.

    • ttpog

      @muhammed666    The quote is actually from George Orwell.

      • muhammed666

        @ttpog Thanks , where the hell I came up with WC is beyound me, LOL

  • Inspiri

    Consensus is in public opinion. Current state of Public policy is driven by Republican states. So Public opinion lagged policy debate on this issue. Because too few heterosexuals cared about gay marriage rights from 1996-2006, the Christian Right were busy little bees. Thanks to Will and Grace, Harvey Milk, and other “heros”, gays were better understood…as people too. So now public support has shifted. In 2012, the first 3 states passed policy to protect gay marriage rights. We are at 9 to date. CA is being challenged, and the executive is doing what he believes is right to strike down Article 3. Let the high court decide.

    • ttpog

      @Inspiri  ‘…. Will and Grace, Harvey Milk, and other “heros [sic]“, …..’.   Do you believe these to be examples of heroes?

      • Inspiri

        @ttpog. I’m glad you asked that question. I don’t ascribe to the literal meaning, boy risks life to save boy from burning building. It is in the metaphorical sense of the heroic journey (circa Joseph Campbell), the typical adventure of the archetype known as The Hero, the person who goes out and achieves great deeds on behalf of the group, tribe, or civilization. Of course, I am referring to Harvey Milk. Though Will and Grace, and the rest of the celebrities that came out of the closet during that time helped a great deal. Now if you ask me are they MY heros? No, though I do associate with the struggle, finding o purpose in one’s life and decency that gay people have shown me throughout the years.

  • ttpog

    Certainly to freedom loving citizens, the very idea of giving special rights and protections to people based solely on their sexual behavior–should be outrageous. But to this pro-homosexual President and the totalitarian homosexual lobby, it’s a reasonable way to advance their cause–and crush the biblical view that stands in their way of fundamentally transforming America and take away our precious liberties. This possibility is not just theoretical: we have the tragic experiences of Christians in Canada. The evangelical Christian Horizons ministry, committed to extending God’s love to developmentally disabled children, dismissed a lesbian employee for lying about her immoral sexual behavior. The woman sued for ‘discrimination’. The ministry was immediately fined thousands of dollars, plus two years of back pay, and ORDERED TO INDOCTRINATE THEIR BIBLE-BELIEVING EMPLOYEES IN THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA.  In our own country, Indiana, a child on a school bus stated her pro-life, pro-marriage beliefs–the bus driver verbally assaulted the girl, demeaning her as “a stupid little bigot”–and the school district defended the bus driver as “working within the scope of her employment.”  This is but one step away from ordering that the girl be subjected to indoctrination in the homosexual agenda.
     
    Chicago’s public schools has proposed adopting “national sexuality education standards” to address sexual ORIENTATION and bullying for the first time with sexuality education to children in kindergarten, children as young as 4 and 5 years old. Massachusetts does this already without offering an opt-out provision.   Our school systems are willing to rob 5-year-olds of their childhood to promote homosexuality against many parents wishes.  One father in Mass. was arrested for simply trying to protect his child from such ‘education’.
     
    It is not marriage alone that stands to suffer when sexual behaviors are elevated to the status of ‘special’ rights, it is our very freedom.

  • Inspiri

    It’s over boys. Women, Latinos, college grads and the independent centrists of American are standing tall for issues that once dominated the Christian Right. Many of your heros have fallen. I’ve said my peace. Good bye.

    • stonemike

      @Inspiri Wont work fella, just as soon as the “thieves’ of the coalition you mention make the idealistic alterations to the way things are done, production will cease and NATURE will once again take over, and the most NATURAL, most productive ideologies known to man are CAPITALISM and CONSERVATISM!   Nothing else to be said!

      • Inspiri

        @stonemike. Riiiiight. Shareholder wealth is at a new high this week. Yet Corporations are hoarding more cash than ever before. CEOs have never been paid better. And we keep getting reports of countless tax revenues finding shelter oversees. Please tell me why my company (world largest in its sector) has kept the average merit increase BELOW the rate of inflation for the last 4 years??! Of course, I got the highest merit increase possible, but real wages continue to fall behind inflation. You don’t have to acknowledge that fact; every economist will do that for you. How is Capitalism working for you?

        • stonemike

          @Inspiri Better check your definitions, when govt controls business it is FASCISM!  If you dont think the EARS is not headed to total control of our business sector, you are wrong!  Im gonna sign outa here, Im too good an American to be ridiculed for resisting OPEN aggression by obammi!

        • Inspiri

          what are you reading? I looked up the CZARs appointed by obama and I couldn’t find any still in position with oversight on economy.  There is a “stimulus czar” but I’m confident he is there to justify stimulus. We have a Workplace Czar: Chai Feldblum, Commissioner, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) but that has a loooong history of job safety in america.  Hardly Facism. The only guy with ties to economy is Jeff Immelt, Jobs Czar.  Your socialist liberal bias media have handed Jeff Immelt and General Electric heavy doses of criticism for paying ZERO corporate taxes in years past and shipping jobs oversees ($61 million factory in Vietnam to produce wind turbine components), but I like the guy.  I’m a corporate america guy, and GE is the leader.  So if Obama wants Jeff’s coucil, then I say let him speak.  Does that ease your fear of Isla-Obama Facism??

      • Inspiri

        @stonemike. Lest anyone think I am a socialist. I may down on corporate greed lately but optimistic all this cash is going to find its way into the economy by means of real expansion. Some are doing it already. I for one, will get promoted this year and continue to find ways to innovate and add value at my company. That’s what it said in my year end review. If I can only get off my lazy ass, I will launch my new brand of beverages I created last year…in my spare time at least and will partake in the beautiful experience we call capitalism. As for conservatism, I’m for the fiscal kind…only.

  • muhammed666

    @ttpog, @Inspiri  Hmmm Heroes because they are advancing the gay cause ? Im not sure where the hero part arrives on the seen. Is it before or after Will gets it in his ass or what ? Look there was a reason that this type of behavior was kept behind closed doors. Now to attach a hero status to those prancing out of the closet is ludicrous. To subject our kids to being taught this behavior in schools is defrauding our kids of thier innocence. Maybe we should have them watch pornos’ next.  I mean really where do we draw the line ? Now changing the standards of morality to tolerate deviant behavior, present it as vogue is really decieving people. We all were brought up knowing full well that Girls and boys were different and that we all came from a mother and a father. Now the devil says otherwise. And shouldnt we want to save people from that by at least presenting the truth.  I dont think we should be enouraging bad behavior. Why are we being asked to tolerate every whim that makes a certain sect feel justified in thier immorality ?

  • Inspiri

    I’ve heard this complaint that our children are subjected to gay behavior training in school. I believe the efforts are part of anti-bullying campaigns. As far as momentum is concerned, three straight generations of children (maybe since 1996) have become voters not only ‘tolerating’ gay behavior, but having friends and Best Man’s that are gay! You old white right wing bible touting conformists (in the Christian tradition) are part of a dying breed. Sure the church is strong. But the days of Dads are casting out their children when coming out of the closet are mostly over. Instead, they are accepting them back into the flock as in Luke 15. It’s Lent boys. God would expect more than crude statements about sex. I don’t talk about how you and your wives express your love in the bedroom. It’s not mine and your business to speak about sex. Save the lectures for your children

    • dcjdavis

      @Inspiri Loving people don’t quit loving someone they’ve loved all along just because they come out of the closet. They may be shocked. They may be hurt. They may be angry. They may be a lot of things. But if they don’t get past that, they never really loved at all. None of us approves of everything in anybody. Not even in our own selves.

      • Inspiri

        @dcjdavis. That might be what you would do. But as gay teens struggled with their sexuality, they were bullied, and treated as deviants, which drove depression deep and put all at a higher risk of suicide. Dads, armed with info, wake up making the right choice…the only one with a choice

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri lol…That might be my reaction? When I was young I was so naïve that when I heard there was even such a thing as gay people ( or not gay, for that matter), I thought my leg was being pulled. Then, when the reality of it sunk in, I thought how well that actually explained a few things and I went happily on. Ever since, that’s been pretty much my reaction when I’ve realized (in whatever ways it has come about) that someone I knew was gay.
          I remember in school that there were always these ones who looked like haunted souls, with big sad eyes that always looked hurt and hungry for some kind of love or acceptance. Many things haunt people. I never really cared what it was that was so wrong. That is, I never really cared past the fact that I couldn’t look upon another person’s pain and not feel it somewhat for myself. That tends to motivate one to be kind where one can. Or to be not unkind where kindness seems not to be received.
          Doesn’t mean I’ve never done an unkind or hurtful thing. Just means I tend to think about things, examine my heart and learn from experience.
          I hate pain. And loss. But I love God and He uses these things as well as others to shape us and make us in His image. While we’re here, we’re not yet made. We’re being made…growing.
          All sin grieves the Holy Spirit. No sin is any greater than any other sin in God’s eyes. Sin is sin. Period. But, personally, life being sacred,I think the sin of taking ones own life is the gravest sin of all. Once it’s done, it’s done. One cannot atone for it. The only ones who can atone for it are those around the one who did it. God help anyone who helped to drive that person to such despair.
          Government is not the answer. Every time the government takes a step, it steps too far. Every time government gives anything at all to one person or group of persons, it takes it from another. That doesn’t just mean money. It goes as well for any privilege, protection, power, etc.
          And there is this: The government has absolutely no interest in everyone getting along. If everyone did, there’d be no room for an almighty tyrant government.
          God on a personal level, dealing with each individual heart is the answer. But not everyone cares what their heart looks like inside.
          And not everyone believes…so we have this insane government.
          But as for the gay and the anti-gay. These things wouldn’t matter so much if the world wasn’t so unhealthily interested in sex. Not saying sex is bad; but, come on. It’s been the downfall of many. Probably affecting as many if not more than the love of money…and when the two get together? Oh my.

        • Inspiri

          @dcjdavis. Thank you for the reflection. It is a dose of humanity. While I don’t agree with the degree to which you ascribe our govt is tyrannical, I do believe they step too far at times …with the best of intentions. I too looked into the sad eyes of a tortured soul. He was part of a “quad” and was a brilliant person. In fact, he helped the other boys with the papers. He wanted to be President! He did not return for his sophomore year. He committed suicide.

        • dcjdavis

          @Inspiri Sorry to hear it. A very sad incident, indeed. I’ve seen it several times in my life. All were young, though not all quite that young. Always seems so senseless. Needless. Shameful that no one was able to help; but most times after, people just seem at a loss wondering how it was they didn’t see it coming.
          And I hope you’re right about the government; but power corrupts, and I think the intentions of those in power are for the most part to help themselves. Besides, you know what is said about the road to hell being paved with good intentions.:-)

    • muhammed666

      @inspiri I have got to say that you are right and your text about accepting  them back to the flock , luke 15, has me rethinking some of my statements. And yes the sex statements are not really neccessary, just an expression of stupidity. I blame myself for being to quick to respond. I need to check that. Thanks for the thought provoker.

      • stonemike

        @muhammed666  @inspiri I think Im gonna puke!  How easily you sway!

        • ttpog

          @stonemike  @muhammed666   No, he/she has no power to sway UNLESS those who listen are easily swayed.  That is a sure sign of not being sure of what, or in whom, you believe.

  • nicholasprop

    muslim wanna be obama needs to obey the law..doma is the law.

  • nicholasprop

    sodom..america..is that what you homosexuals want..GOD will not be mocked..calling for repentance as a nation

    • Inspiri

      @nicholasprop. Here’s my position. Let the gays live in peace, don’t discriminate with silly laws to block benefits due every citizen and let God handle the afterlife. Just focus on how you live your life. Set an example for all of Gods children and stop obsessing over where the penis goes.

  • Inspiri

    Dear Dave: Die with Christ. I will live in peace with my gay couple next door. In fact, ill have them over for dinner and yuck it up. We’ll even talk about putting Christ back in their lives. It will look like an episode of Modern Family. In fact, my other neighbor’s wife is a beautiful Colombian woman …I shall not covet my neighbors wife, I shall not covet my neighbors wife.

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri You might understand about moral values some day when you are older. When your “herd” and the subsequent “value set” find their basic value system was wrong, it will be too late.
    Go ahead. Attack! You do it sooo well, agreeing without self-introspection or walking in another’s shoes.
    Line item “discussions” via e-mail, along with a multitude of rejoinders are collectively saying, “Does your belief system agree with mine?” Yes or no. The rest is finding evidence against the other and supporting one’s own.
    Until you get beyond this level of discussion, I cannot push any more strings (not string theory) up hill. Life is too short for your wisdom curve. Get the communication and not the words. In everyone’s defense, it is a linear thinking, visual world and e-mail sucks and the English language helps stilt our meaning. And, no one will be appointed to manage these opinions except God. The judgment cometh and that right soon.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. We are more on the same page than you give me credit for. I have come to understand in all of this bantor that I have a slightly different interpretation of God’s words. I am not a sinner if I treat my neighbor as I would treat my brother…knowing he is having sex with another man. I pray that God will show me the way. He tells me to live at peace and with peace for all people. I don’t see the need to “defend” Christianity. I celebrate mass with my fellow parishioners knowing that thousands of others worship differently, or not at all. Nevertheless, I greet all with a hand…open, heart open. God will work through me. I will not hate; I will not fear. I will stand with my neighbor regardless of where he puts his penis.

  • Badabing32745

    @ inspiri I know of what you speak. For my aforementioned reasons, it often is difficult getting to the roots of points of view. There are few subjects where man is involved that don’t operate as a crab bucket. The ACLC used Genesis 9 to support their stance on slavery. The Salem Witch trials. Herd mentality inside and outside of politics. Inductive reasoning is another culprit. What comes with the neighborhood “blockbusting” is another. Speaking of tolerance, be careful: prosperous Germans tolerated the new kid on the block in 1933. Please don’t think I am comparing Hitler with homosexuality, although he had his own issues about sexuality. No psychiatrists had the guts to call him on it. Nor would they if they had.
    Heretofore tolerated things as kudzu can get out if hand. Indeed! They already have. Someone said, be part if the solution, not part of the problem. And, they said, if someone thinks he has the answer, he is part of the problem. Welcome to the world of paradox.
    It is difficult to house two opposing thoughts and operate effectively. It is especially so without faith and prayer. I pray for mutual understanding toward total synergy for the USA.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. Thank you for that. For what it is worth, that is the most thoughtful post I have ever read on this mad blog. I will try to be mindful of such things. I also see people too often try to see what may not be there; not everyone opposite your view is scheming (general form of “you”). My philosophy is to Judge Actions; Not Intentions.

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri Thank you! That was the best exchange you and I have had to-date. May we continue to improve. And, my earlier examples were not meant to typecast schemers as those disagreeing with me. I don’t “know” anything for sure except my love for Jesus, my wife and this country. I will fight for each of those to the death.
        Actions can be ad hoc or with intent, a neural response, environmental influences, genetics, et. al.
        Life can be examined from the standpoint of inventory control: what you allow in affects what you do or not produce. That’s 360 degrees. Then, we apply inventory control to the heart. Same, same. Render under Caesar, Caesar’s; under God’s, God’s.
        Thank you for being thoughtful about my comments.

  • Badabing32745

    I meant SCLC.

  • DenisKhan

    When the two angels arrived at Sodom that evening, Abraham’s nephew Lot met them at the city gate. Lot and his family lived in Sodom. He took the two men to his home and fed them.
    Then all the men of the city surrounded Lot’s house and said, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” (Genesis 19:5), NIV). By ancient custom, the visitors were under Lot’s protection. Lot was so infected by the wickedness of Sodom that he offered the homosexuals his two virgin daughters instead. Furious, the mob rushed up to break down the door.
    The angels struck the rioters blind! Leading Lot, his wife, and two daughters by the hand, the angels hurried them out of the city. The girls’ fiancés would not listen and stayed behind.
    Lot and his family fled to a tiny village called Zoar. The Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying the buildings, the people, and all the vegetation in the plain.
    All human beings are templated by the Creator to share in His Gift of Creation. We are commanded to increase and multiply. All of us are sinners, and need repentance and forgiveness. A same sex partner has a right to repent. Below is a true life incident. Ex-Lesbian Mother Charged With Kidnapping Her Own Daughter
     
    Thanks to Vermont’s adamant support for homosexual “civil unions,” Lisa Miller, a former lesbian turned Christian, is being charged with “parental kidnapping” of her own biological daughter. Following court decisions that mandated child visiting rights for Janet Jenkins, Lisa’s former lesbian partner, Lisa and her daughter fled to a Nicaraguan Mennonite community to escape the anti-Christian “justice” system in Vermont.
    Here’s the background:
    Lisa Miller and Janet Jenkins were joined in a homosexual civil union back in 2000 in Vermont shortly after Vermont became the first state to offer such unions. They decided to have a child. Obviously, since these types of unions cannot ever biologically result in a conception, they chose the in-vitro fertilization route. Lisa Miller was artificially inseminated and in April of 2002, a daughter was born. Her name is Isabella. Not long into their union, Lisa and Janet began having problems. Lisa started to realize that her homosexual lifestyle was sinful. She even prayed during her difficult pregnancy with Isabella that if God would provide a safe delivery for her child, she would promise to give up her homosexual lifestyle.
    In 2003, Lisa and Janet separated, and a year later their union was officially dissolved (in marital terms, they were divorced). A Vermont judge granted that Lisa be given custody of Isabella and gave Janet visiting rights. Lisa, having renounced her former lifestyle and professed faith in Christ, moved back to Virginia where homosexual unions are not recognized. Virginia courts upheld Lisa’s right to withhold Janet from visiting Isabella on the grounds that Ms. Jenkins is not her mother and that she never even adopted the child. For 2 years, Lisa was able to bar Janet from seeing Isabella.
    But then the Virginia Supreme Court decided that Vermont still had jurisdiction. The Vermont court refused to cancel the visitations and instead put forth a new visitation schedule in spite of expert testimony showing that Isabella was actually being traumatized by her “other mother.” She was exhibiting behavior that showed signs of extreme anxiety. In an interview with LifeSiteNews in 2008, Lisa recounted some disturbing details:
    Last year, Isabella put a comb up to her neck and said she wanted to kill herself after one of the visits. She took a comb and pressed it into her neck and said, ‘I want to kill myself.’ I don’t know where she got that.  It was immediately after a visit… She also started openly masturbating which is not something that my child has done… She is 6 now but this started when she was 5 – after visits.  The very first time that Janet ever saw Isabella after the two and a half years, her very first over-night visit – the court ordered it and I allowed it because it was in Virginia and she was supposed to have been supervised by her parents, Isabella came home and said, ‘Mommy, will you please tell Janet that I don’t have to take a bath anymore at her house.’ I asked her what happened.  She said, ‘Janet took a bath with me.’  I asked her if she had a bathing suit on.  ‘No, Mommy.’  She had no clothes on and it totally scared Isabella.  She had never seen this woman except once in 2 ½ years and she takes a bath with her.
    Lisa Miller was refusing to comply with the visitation schedule, the judge ordered that Janet be given custody of Isabella. Fearing for her child’s well-being, Lisa ended up fleeing to a Nicaraguan Mennonite community with help from work friends who owned property there and found herself and her daughter in hiding. Kenneth Miller is the Mennonite minister who came to Lisa’s aid and has been helping her ever since (same last name, but of no relation to Lisa).
    But now Lisa is considered a fugitive and all those who helped transport her out of the country are being charged with “aiding and abetting a parental kidnapping.” Both Interpol and the FBI are after Lisa and Isabella. Kenneth Miller is looking at 3 years in prison when sentenced. Others involved will have charges dropped if they help locate Lisa and her daughter.
    How can anyone not see that this situation is completely unjust? How can the judge consider Lisa’s withholding her own daughter from her ex-partner “kidnapping?” In reality, Janet had absolutely nothing to do with Isabella. And the judge wants to give Janet full custody of the child in spite of the fact that Isabella is traumatized by Janet. There would have been no case had Vermont not championed homosexual marriage in the first place.
    This case makes those on the left angry because it involves a homosexual deciding not to be a homosexual anymore. Liberals hate hearing that. They keep telling themselves that homosexuals are “born that way,” that they can’t change. But they can, and Lisa Miller is living proof. In a letter published on the Mennonites’ website, they stated:
    “The fact is that suddenly we find ourselves having to choose between obeying God or man-made laws. We have chosen to obey God. We are willing to give up our rights, go to jail or even die for the cause of helping anyone become free from a sinful life and helping that person to live in obedience to God’s Word.”
    And in this day and age, living in “obedience to God’s Word” makes you a criminal, and judges rule in favor of the wicked. “When the wicked rise, men hide themselves; But when they perish, the righteous increase.” (Proverbs 28:28)
    Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/09/ex-lesbian-mother-charged-with-kidnapping-her-own-daughter/#ixzz26kZGWySx

    • MickeyDavis

      @DenisKhan I have said for many years, Perverts ( Called gay ) are Pedophiles, They seek out and destroy the young by imposing their filthy sins on them.

      • Inspiri

        Mickey, as usual you don’t disappoint. Your bias is precisely what perverts a mom’s intent to raise her child with love.

    • Inspiri

      @DenisKhan. Perhaps the child’s anxiety claimed by Lisa stemmed from a deeply depressed former drug and alcoholic, “ex-lesbian” filling her child with concepts of death, the wrath of God, and an unbelievable burden of guilt over her “Mamma” homosexuality. If she didn’t flee to Nicaragua, then perhaps she was headed to a mental hospital.

  • Inspiri

    This is some real reporting. A snippet from the NYT reporting on the case of Isabella. This is what the Lisa told the judges in court… “What is at stake is the health and well-being of an intelligent, delightful, beautiful, 7-year-old Christian girl,” she wrote. Isabella “knows from her own reading of the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman,” she wrote, “that she cannot have two mommies, that when I lived the homosexual lifestyle I sinned against God, and that unless Janet accepts Christ as her personal savior, she will not go to heaven.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/a-civil-union-ends-in-an-abduction-and-questions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
    I thank God the legal system did not fail and that Ms. Jenkins was able to defend her right to custody in court. The Virginia Supreme Court (the lower courts are only politicians with law degrees) demonstrated wisdom.

    • MickeyDavis

      @Inspiri You will never understand there is no Wisdom without God. Being coy and using your vain imagination is of your father the devil

      • Inspiri

        @MickeyDavis   It is better to describe me as objective and humble. The only shortcoming is your human judgment. All you see is the word of God in every story.  That is, no matter what you read about a person that happens to be homosexual, you see sin, Christ rejected, a deviant, a pedophile, and son or daughter of Satan. A little situational awareness might do you well.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri I am sorry, I do not look at limp wrist, go along with everything that is evil just to be liked as humble.I much admire a person that will stand up for what is right.

        • Inspiri

          Mick- it is stereotype like Asians are smart in Math and Science, Caucasians can’t dance, French are romantic, Irish are alcoholics, & Jews are cheap. It’s great when they are positive, but they are destructive when they are negative. The truth is you are practicing bigotry unabashed. The worst kind; bigotry cloaked in Christian righteousness. I say this to out you to shame.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri It never fails when perverts hear the truth they lash out with words like Bigotry, Homophobic,etc. anything they can come up with to throw at the truth, because they like satan , hates the truth.

        • Inspiri

          Bigot: a person who is or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group [homosexuals] with hatred and intolerance. Mickey, you are hearing this feedback from a macho heterosexual, educated, & enlightened Roman Catholic. Hear this, you are the worst kind of Bigot; the bigot that wraps himself in the cloak of Christian tradition.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis. I misspoke. You are a bigot that wraps himself in Christian theology. The use of tradition might imply bigotry was part of a Christian tradition.

        • MickeyDavis

          @Inspiri I can  now see  what your problem really is./// If I would  agree with you, then  I would no longer be considered a Bigot. No thanks I will stick to the Truth.

        • Inspiri

          @MickeyDavis Hubris, my friend, is a terrible virtue. “Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error.” Andrew Jackson (1767-1845); 7th U.S. President

  • Inspiri

    Judge men by their actions. Bigotry has no place in the discussions. I give you 16 men (well, not all) who have earned the title of Pedophile! http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne?format=SLIDESHOW&page=1

    • MickeyDavis

      @Inspiri You come across like a fidgety old woman, trying to deceive everyone who disagrees with you./// It is your choice to be a Pedophile.So if you want to change ,just make better choices.

  • muhammed666

    @Inspiri;@Badabing32745  Inspiri I do not think  anyone has insisted we have to “hate” anyone. I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, that the driver behind confronting sinful behavior is to save a soul. Be an encouragement. But to support the behavior is to encourage it. similar in to the paradox mentioned earlier by Badabing.
    We can in fact hate the behavior itself without hating the being. The choice is up to the individual ultimately which path they choose. We are not the judge only a mouth peice. “When good men say nothing thats when evil shall prevail.” So speak up you just may save someone’s eternal life without being a hater.

    • MaryCrum

      @muhammed666 @Badabing32745 Very true. In Christian charity that is what we are to do. Love the sinner but don’t condone or encourage the sin. Your post was right on target.

      • Inspiri

        @MaryCrum  @muhammed666  @Badabing32745
        I am with you. I speak up when Evil men do evil things…to others. I don’t speak up because what my gay neighbors do in their bedroom.  If they fight to gain equal rights under law, then I support them verbally. If one of them is pulled over and naked photos of children are found, then I will speak up to ensure they are prosecuted. As I said earlier; Judge men by their actions; not be their intentions.  I do not accept anyone who hides behind Theology to divide the beautiful tapestry that is America.  What crazy talk…”we are commanded to judge those of the world. I not only have the authority to do so as a Christian, but I am commanded to judge the fruit of men.”  Who is minding the Christians like TTPOG?

  • ttpog

    As for the list of supposed heterosexual men mentioned below – they are conflicted souls fighting against homosexual desires – and they failed miserably.  For all practical purposes, they have given in to homosexuality – sin.  The practicing homosexual is no better for completely giving themselves over to sin, than those who fight against it and lose.  They are two parts of the same group.  To disparage a group who fights against a sin and loses, yet accept and grant a ‘pass’ to the group who has fully embraced the same sin is ludicrous and ‘bigotry’ in the extreme.  Try that with any other sin.  Let’s choose lying, which is another sin that the Lord detests.  If a man fights against the sin of lying, he is to be commended and encouraged to keep up the good fight.  When he fails, let’s hope he genuinely repents and strives to sin no more, but he is to be held accountable.  If another man simply refuses to acknowledge lying as a sin and labels it an alternate form of communication, declares himself a proud liar, parades it in the streets, and insists that ‘special’ rights be granted to him that the rest of society does not get in order to continue in his lies, this man should be held accountable and counted as a reprobate.  He should NOT be held up as a shining example of someone who is to be fully embraced by all of society for doing that which ‘feels right’ to him.  And, he is certainly NOT off limits for others to declare him a liar. Do not make the mistake of treating those of the world the same as you would a brother in Christ.  Those who hate God and shake their fists at Him are His enemies.  That does not mean we attack them and treat them rudely, but neither are we to embrace them as a sister or brother in the Lord UNLESS they are repentant and seeking help to forsake their lives of sin, in which case we do all we can to bring them into the fold.  Until this time, we are to pray for them and treat them with respect, BUT we are not to wink at blatant sin and pretend that they are normal because they are NOT.  
     
    As I said earlier, we are commanded to judge those of the world.   I not only have the authority to do so as a Christian, but I am commanded to judge the fruit of men.  Not leaves (professions), or appearance, are the proper tests of the life that is in the tree, but the fruit it bears. We are to test men and every institution by this principle.  Character is satisfactorily tested by its’ fruits; the “conduct” – the fruit – is to determine the nature of the principles.  To imply that this act of judging is an act of hatred, or not showing love to my neighbor, is a patently false implication and ludicrous on it’s face.

  • ttpog

    In The Journal of Homosexuality an article published in 2002 suggested that parents need to see their son’s pedo phile lover ‘not as a rival or competitor, nor as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.’  In Paid ika (a journal dominated by sod omites) Gilbert Herdt, a sod omite and professor at SF State Univ. expresses that ‘the category ‘child’ is just a rhetorical device for inflaming…an irrational set of attitudes’ against s ex with children. The book ‘Not harmful to minors: The perils of protecting kids from s ex’ (no joke) argues that s ex with kids younger than twelve isn’t really so bad for them, and even citing ‘research’!  Author Judith Levine claims that having s ex with an adult can be a really positive experience for a child.
     
    June 27, 2012 – A prominent leader in the gay-rights movement in California headed to jail on June 22 after police say they caught him in possession of graphic images of toddlers engaged in lewd acts of sod omy and oral s ex. 
     
    David Thorstad, a spokesman for the homosexual rights movement and NAM BLA, clearly states the objectives: “The ultimate goal of the gay liberation movement is the achievement of sex ual freedom for all – not just equal rights for ‘lesbians and gay men,’ but also freedom of sex ual expression for young people and children.” 
     
    Pedo philes are invariably males: A report by the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children states: “In both clinical and non-clinical samples, the vast majority of offenders are male.” Significant numbers of victims are males: A study in the Journal of Sex Research found that although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, about one-third of the total number of child s ex offenses are homosexual in nature. Many pedo philes consider themselves to be homosexual: Homosexual activists try to argue that the s ex of his child victims is irrelevant to an abuser’s sexual orientation with respect to adults, but a study of 229 convicted child molesters in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that “eighty-six percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.
     
    Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child mol esters are “heterosexual” males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molest ations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.  For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molest ed girls, while 14 female teachers had molest ed boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molest ed boys and four female homosexual teachers had molest ed girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molest ation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.  Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molest ation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molest ers. In a sample of 153 homosexual molest ers, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molest ations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molest er. Self-admitted heterosexual molest ers admitted to 4,435 molest ations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molest er. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually mol est young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molest ation of girls.”
     
    Unfortunately, we could cite inexcusable examples endlessly, from all segments of society.  However, the fact remains that homosexuals make up a very small proportion (two to three percent) of our population, yet account for a disproportionate number of molest ations.  They pose a FAR more serious threat to our children.

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog  Be careful buddy. As humans we tend to automatically choose to hate or dislike things that we don’t have a true understanding of yet. Whether it is because the things we don’t understand leave us feeling threatened or confused, no one will truly ever know. Passing judgment on someone before you ever have a chance to know them can be extremely harmful to you in the long run, whether the judgment we pass be positive, or whether it be negative. Before you call the new guy in your neighborhood, on your grandson’s school board, or coaching your daughter’s soccer team a pedophile, make sure you heed my warning and get to know who they really are first. Don’t judge a book by its cover, read its contents first before you decide if it’s for you or if it isn’t.

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri  We all pass judgement, we all discriminate.  It is all right, there is nothing inherently bad about doing it.  You have been successfully indoctrinated into the idea that to do so, automatically makes you an evil person, or can cause you ‘extreme harm’.  In the scenario I gave earlier of passing judgement on a person in the checkout line, how could that cause anyone ‘extreme harm’?  In fact, that act of judging not only protected innocent ones from suffering potential harm, but it did so in a way so as not to inflict harm on the one being judged.  You act as if no one is capable of discriminating or judging without simultaneously acting civilly.  And, you imply judging cannot take place apart from projecting hatred.  You are wrong.  It is done without hate everyday by hundreds of millions of people worldwide.  You falsely equate any and all judging with hateful, negative behavior.
         
        Why would I ‘call the new guy in [my] neighborhood, ….a pedophile…’?  When did I ever insinuate that I would call anyone a pedophile for no apparent reason other than they are male?  You seem to be the one who passes judgement, attacking and falsely accusing those you disagree with, all the while insisting that no one should judge since all judging is equated with hate and dislike in your mind…..all judging done by anyone else but you and yours, that is.  
         
        What is not to understand about a practicing homosexual or pedophile?  There is little to no ambiguity and mystery as to the meaning of homosexuality and pedophilia, and they equally warrant disdain and negativity.  We are not speaking of someone who may be of a different nationality, or is in a different social bracket, we are speaking of sexual deviancy. There is nothing left to ‘read’. You choose to wink at sin, I do not.  You choose to elevate the sexual behaviors of some to a protected status, I do not.  You would do well to take heed to the Word of God.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Two things…maybe three. First, I meant to say new neighbor was gay. Second, you can do extreme harm when a gay person coaching a boys soccer team is falsely accused of inappropriate behavior, or worse, you are part of the jury in his trial to defend himself. Third, I did not realize the dept of your bigotry. You are one BIG ass, ole fashion, bigot extraordinaire.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Ahhh,  and there it is, their favorite word – bigot!  Whatever happened to ‘Passing judgment on someone before you ever have a chance to know them can be extremely harmful to you in the long run, whether the judgment we pass be positive, or whether it be negative.’ And,  my all time favorite, ‘Don’t judge a book by its cover, read its contents first before you decide if it’s for you or if it isn’t.’  This seems to work for everyone BUT you and yours.  
           
          It is not my problem that you made a mistake in communicating effectively. Perhaps some communication skills are in order?  
           
          Now that I know what you MEANT to say, I will reply to that.  Not that you really care.  If my new neighbor was a known practicing homosexual, I would introduce myself, welcome him to the neighborhood, probably take him a loaf of fresh baked bread and cookies along with some relevant scripture verses attached; relevant to bread, not homosexuality.  That would probably be the extent of the relationship however.  I would be friendly, helpful, and a good neighbor in that I would respect him as I would any other neighbor.  However, I would not welcome him into my home for dinner and such since I have young children, unless it was an emergency situation.  Finally, I would not allow my children to be around him unless my spouse or I was there.
           
          You see, I have a niece who is a practicing lesbian.  She knows my family loves her and prays for her.  She realizes that we all pray that Christ will call her out of her life of sin unto Himself.  She is also aware that we do not compromise the Word of God.  I will not allow her and whatever girl she has this year into our home to negatively influence our children.  My niece is welcome, but not whatever current friend she has. My children pray for her and love her, but are fully aware that she is living a life of sin.  They also understand why we take extra precautions in dealing with her in order to safe guard them.  She has multiple STD’s, and a penchant to drink excessively on weekends.  She is the same age as my oldest son.  They were somewhat close as children, but living a long distance apart prevented them from being terribly close.  Her father (my brother) remarried when she was about four or five.  Her stepmother proved to be very unwise (my brother worked away from home for long periods of time – unwise as well). She allowed a basketball coach (female) who was nearly twenty-five years older than my niece (who I will call Nan) to take a special interest in her. Nan was only eleven at the time, the coach around thirty-five.  Needless to say, this coach was a practicing lesbian who molested my niece at a very early age.  By the time Nan reached junior high, she was convinced she was a lesbian as well, and in ‘love’ with this coach.  The ‘relationship’ continued through high school, and for a few years after, but has since ended.  My brother and his now ex-wife see the life altering mistake of allowing a supposed trusted coach to have such influence on Nan, and the consequences have been devastating for them all as well as our whole family.  I have expressed to my niece that choices have consequences, and her choices have affected many others besides herself.  Nan knows that we do not hate her, but she knows that we stand by our convictions based on God’s Word, and she would never label us as ‘bigots’.  She understands that we love our children enough to do what it takes to protect them, and she has expressed anger and sadness that her own upbringing did not afford her that same protection and stability that our children enjoy.  I am heart broken for her, but her own choices keep her where she is, not anything that we have done.
           
          As for your implication that I may unjustly sentence someone for no other reason than he/she is a practicing homosexual if I were a part of the jury sentencing him/her, you are, once again, completely wrong. The ‘depth’ of your bigotry and hatred is astounding.  Not once have I leveled such derogatory names at you. The hypocrisy of your allegations are glaring, and it would be the likes of you that I would hate to find on ANY jury.  They will know we are Christians by our Love!  I will ask my niece what she thinks of your assessment, but I already know Nan would be offended and angered at your remarks.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Ha! I knew it. Anyway, I judged you by your own words; not
          mine. I simply put them in proper context…and it turns out I was spot on. Now I feel for your niece. The first thought that came to mind after I read, “aware that she is living a life of sin” was this woman’s self esteem must be rock-bottom; she has a sorted past, abusing drugs or alcohol, and probably self-loathing…and her family is putting a mountain of guilt on top. And your description was precisely what I had pictured. But I respect the tough love. Just not what she needs right now. She needs therapy by a professional. As for Nan, why is she not in jail? When I said judge actions, I meant for people like Nan. I’m quite confident her case is within the statute of limitations. Lastly, I don’t believe you understand the definition of bigotry. Bigotry would be to look at another female gay coach (hypothetically) and think, “she’s a pedophile”. And to say it would be to feel real hatred, anger and frustration. Does that sound about right? Maybe you should focus that anger on Nan. She deserves to be exposed if that hasn’t happened already

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Wow, you missed it.  ‘Nan’ is the name I assigned to my niece, not the name of the coach.  Btw, Nan delivered – she texts “…whoever calls you a bigot is a @#%$!  You are my hero & true N.  Luv U!”  Not exactly the words of someone who feels ‘her family is putting a mountain of guilt on top.’ Her self-esteem is indeed rock-bottom, but not due to anything we have done. At this point, it is self inflicted.  She does not need therapy, she needs God!
           
          I don’t look at another female homosexual coach and think she is a pedophile.  I just know the potential is there.  Same with a heterosexual coach.  I am angry at the coach who molested my niece – who wouldn’t be?!  However, it would take Nan to initiate legal action, and that is something she wouldn’t do. I do not carry that anger on my shoulders though; I have given it to God – He will vindicate.  I freely forgive that coach – who am I to not offer forgiveness when I have been forgiven so much undeservedly. 
           
          Again, you wallow in some misguided and misplaced revelry – you are far from ‘spot on’!

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Well glad to hear your niece doesnt think you are a bigot. Unfortunately, I still think you are. You have shown your tendency to favor information that confirms your beliefs or hypotheses about gay people. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. If you want to understand more about this, then I recommend reading Martina Navratilova’s biography, Mary Woolley. Myth: Most child molesters are gay. Fact: Most child molesters are married white male heterosexuals who victimize young girls.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. I don’t understand how child molestration in your family was allowed to go??!! Did you not follow Jerry Sandusky??!!?? It was not the actions of one man that wrecked the lives of many victims. Allow me to speculate, your niece may not have been the only victim at her school. Her silence empowered the coach…empowers her still. She doesn’t have to press charges; she could start by asking the school administration to investigate their employee. Think of it this way, she continues to collect a paycheck or pension from state tax dollars! This woman should have been fired at the VERY LEAST and not entitled to the same benefits that all employees of the public school enjoy. This, my friend, puzzles me.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri  Unfortunate for you, not me.  
          When you posted polls and your list of men caught in homosexual acts, did that not ‘confirm your beliefs’?  I could say that your bias was displayed when you gathered that info selectively and interpreted it in a biased way. This is the hypocrisy I spoke of that you display so often; what is allowable for you, is bigotry in others.  
           
          Fact:  There are FAR more heterosexuals than homosexuals, so it would only stand to reason that more heterosexuals molest than homosexuals. Follow?  Homosexual activists – this would include you – routinely claim that most child molesters are “heterosexual” males, thus shifting the focus away from their OWN very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.  A study in the Journal of Sex Research found that although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses are homosexual in nature.  A study of 229 convicted child molesters in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that “eighty-six percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.” This is hugely disproportionate!  It is fact based research, not my or your opinion, that cannot be denied.  To deny it, is a blatant refusal to accept reality.
           
          What happened to ‘Nan’ would not have taken place in my immediate family.  We place much blame at the feet of her parents, where it belongs. My brother knows this as we have talked very honestly about it.  She was an innocent child who depended on her family to protect her – they failed.  That does not mean that the coach is not responsible as well – she is.  Of course I followed Sandusky.  His victims are the ones who pressed charges, not the school.  The school would have been all too pleased to have dodged that bullet altogether by turning a deaf ear and blind eye – winking at sin!  ‘Nan’ has a sister who is less than two years younger, and an older brother.  It was through them that we learned many things that ‘Nan’ simply would not share with anyone else but them.  ‘Nan’ did not know her siblings were sharing the things she told them with their dad.  My niece was not the only victim at her school.  Other children told ‘Nan’ they were molested by her as well, and not just girls in the school, but from various places.  If you knew anything about abused children, they rarely tell another living soul of the abuse they suffer.  This coach was smart in that she picked easy and safe prey.  My niece *was* a very shy, quiet little girl. These child sexual predators know what to look for in a victim – namely quiet as a church mouse, extremely tight lipped.  ‘Nan’ fit the bill perfectly. Yes, her silence empowers this coach who is still coaching at a local high school today, collecting a paycheck from our state tax dollars! ‘Nan’ will not press charges or ask school officials to investigate.  ‘Nan’s’ reasoning is correct. She feels no one would take her seriously since it is common knowledge they lived together in a pretend ‘relationship’ for some years after high school and due to the treatment her dad received from school officials. She would look like a ‘jilted’ lover seeking revenge.  I attempted to seek justice, but to no avail.  I made a few well placed phone calls hoping to get an investigation started, and was hopeful to schedule a meeting to speak with someone face-to-face.  Would you care to know what I was told?  This was about twelve years ago, and this is why so many are outraged at the preferential treatment homosexuals repeatedly receive.  I was told to not call the school ever again, and if I did they would call the authorities and charge ME with harassment!  As soon as my brother found this out and was back in town, he went to the school and spoke with the principal.  He was emotional and angry, but very much in control of himself.  He expressed his outrage of their treatment towards his daughter and me, and his concerns about the coach.  Are you ready for what they did to him???  They immediately accused him of hate speech and endangering the life of an employee of theirs by his bigotry! Sound familiar?  You work there?  They then told him to leave her alone or they would be forced to get the authorities involved.  Well, this did not go over well with my brother.  He went straight to the police station where he was given basically the same speech.  They told him that without concrete proof, and the testimony of his daughter, he had nothing and was in fact risking being charged with harassment and discrimination of a person based on sexual ORIENTATION!  After a consultation with a lawyer, he was completely discouraged.  I believe he went home and drank to the point of complete inebriation – not a proper response….understandable, but not proper.  About five years ago, this coach was hired at a larger high school in the city I live in.  Out of concern for children, many of whom are the children of friends of mine, I made some calls.  My aim was to simply make the school officials aware of the situation so they could be on guard for the protection of the children placed in her care.  Again, I was met with hostility and was accused of basing my accusations on nothing other than her sexual orientation, and then told to never call again.  UNBELIEVABLE!  The safety of children did NOT EVEN register with these people.  Now, if this were a heterosexual man,  the swat team would descend upon his home to confiscate every shred of possible evidence they could find.  How do I know this?  Because a close friend of mine works with this school and did a little investigating on his own as a favor to me.  What he discovered is extremely disturbing.  He learned that the school was unwilling to even pursue such accusations in fear of risking ‘backlash from the homosexual community.’ In essence, they consider the damage inflicted upon sexually abused children pales in comparison to the stigma tied to making accusations against a homosexual, especially if those accusations wind up being false.  Better to risk the safety of children, than to risk the ire of homosexuals.  This coach should not only be fired, she should be in jail.  This, my friend, not only puzzles me, but deeply saddens me. Not until these victims are willing to come forward, will she be brought to justice.  ‘Nan’s’ sister has told me that most of the girls she knows of that this coach molested are living as lesbians today.  What a tragedy.  This is what happens when a segment of society receives preferential treatment and ‘special’ rights.  Our children suffer! Our rights suffer!

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. The only reason I posted the list of names was to point out the hypocrisy of men…republicans specifically. Life has a funny way to dishing justice. I was onced choked by my band teacher in 9th grade. I was a disruptive child at times and he thought it was me who was talking while his back was turned. Enraged he walked over and put his hands around my neck. He squeezed so hard I nearly blacked out. His hands marked my neck for days. Ironically, i wasn’t the person talking. He reported me to principal office and they called the my mom. She was raging when I got home and all I did was point to my neck and cry. She called the school and arranged for a mtg. He was suspended WITH pay for 6 months. My parents, not wanting to trouble school, never pressed charges. 6 months weny by and I had to sit in this guy’s class room again. One day he pulled me aside in his office and thanked me for givin him a paid vacation. I was quiet then, but the memory of his indignance and arrogance stuck in my mind. It sucks this coach avoided punishment. The press has a way with getting stories out. The safety and welfare of our children gets rating and sells newspapers! It makes for a good redeption story. Good luck. And please don’t look at this as gays fault. The same could have happened with a person respected in the community; a Jerry Sandusky. It happens every day. This is not a gay thing

        • Troubleshooter

          ttpog Inspiri @ttpog; Oh, don’t they “when in doubt, whip it out’; I refer to the tool of the devil, the word ‘bigot’.  The misled commenter you were responding to is enamored of statistics, yet I have no doubt (observation of facts, not judgement) that the statistic that identifies the high rate of positioning of pedophiles in professions, such as athletics, education, counseling, law, social work, etc which give them almost unfettered access to our children, is a “statistical fact” which would quickly, as it obviously has been, be ignored.

  • ttpog

    Free speech is at stake when we allow ourselves to be silenced of our own opinions.  Having an opinion is just that – free speech and our opinion.  To equate differing opinions with hate is ludicrous and dangerous.
     
    ‘When most people think of Canada, they think of a colder version of America. But there are plenty of differences between the U.S. and its northern neighbor–and a new court ruling points out an important few. At the end of February, Canada’s Supreme Court unanimously ruled that a conservative activist couldn’t distribute a homemade flyer on the harms of homosexuality because it violates the country’s  “hate speech” laws. Bill Whatcott’s pamphlets, which object to same-sex relationships and homosexual propaganda in the public schools, were said to violate the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission. The Court agreed, essentially stating that when free speech or religion collides with the homosexual agenda, freedom cannot win.
    Canadian columnist Rory Leishman explains, “In short, with this Whatcott ruling, the Supreme Court of Canada has held that notwithstanding the ostensible guarantees of freedom of expression and freedom of religion in the Charter, a Canadian can be found guilty of violating the prohibition on hate speech in a human rights code by making a statement even if (a) the statement is true; (b) the speaker did not intend to express hatred; (c) the speaker was expressing his or her honestly held religious conviction; and (d), there is no proof that the statement has caused any harm.”
    In other words, there is no such thing as free speech–at least not without politically correct strings attached. “It doesn’t matter if the words are religiously motivated,” writes the Toronto Sun’s Alan Shanoff, “It doesn’t even matter if the words are factually accurate. That’s not a [defense]. The manner in which truthful statements are expressed can meet the definition of hate speech.”
    While Americans can breathe a sigh of relief that we have a Bill of Rights, our country is on a slippery slope in this very same direction–First Amendment or not. Here, Christians and conservatives are intimidated into silence. Others self-censor. But all are very aware that when it comes to viewpoint tolerance, not everyone may apply.’

    • muhammed666

      @ttpog Wow ! ” The manner in which a truthful statement(s) is expressed can meet the definition of hate speech!” I guess if we had a similar ruling in the United States it would apply in a very discriminate manner. Michelle Obama would be the number 1 violator. The irony is here that the ruling by thier very own definition, is in fact hate speech, in and of itself. The fact that they are sensoring speech has “hate” as its back drop. Im I missing something ? Hatred for the truth ? Or a society that has lost its identity between censorship and the spoken truth. And I thought Canada had thier act together. Please Canada do not copy the US we are no longer an example of how to run a republic.

      • ttpog

        @muhammed666  @ttpog 
        Yes, this is the end of free speech in Canada and the silencing of opposition….to homosexuals that is. The homosexual lobby was the catalyst to getting this passed there.  That is where the militant homosexuals in our own country would like to see the US as well.  If we don’t agree with them, they do not want us to have the right to say so.  It seems they have a sitting president that concurs.  No, Canada is far from having their act together. Militant homosexuals are ruining that country, but their government is allowing it.  Hopefully, the US will not follow their example, but our citizens must awaken to what is happening.

        • muhammed666

          @ttpog Im afraid from what I am seeing myself that the homosexual trend is very hip. I find this to be evident especially amongst the females. The ages I have witnessed this being the case are teens and into thier 20′s. Being close to the restaurant business and getting the inside scoop at least 25% (staff of 20) talk openly about thier exploits. It is in fact encouraged amongst each other ” you have to try it, its so much easier than dealing with guys.”  This is the background talk in the establishment. So they presenting themselves as being part of a new and hip generation, they now belong to a special class of people. They are part of something different and need to be recognized. The candor of the males are supporting as well, same age group, ‘ITS COOL” Why not , its a free country.” Its too bad that the wages of Sin is in fact death of our souls for eternity.” Trying to explain how important your soul is to eternity is not as cool as being a deviate. Pretty sad because these are good folks , horribly brainwashed by Government and Hollywood.  A real shame. We need to keep praying for them as best as possible. I miss America already.

        • ttpog

          @muhammed666   What a deeply profound comment; well stated!  You are right.  Our government indoctrination camps (public schools) and media/entertainment have overwhelmingly accomplished what progressives could only dream about a hundred years ago.  I miss our country as well, but I have hopes of getting it back to what the founders intended.
           
           What do I consider to be America’s greatest threat?  Apathy – a loss of fear for God and His Word.  We are following in the footsteps of Israel of the Old Testament.  They were morally corrupt with social evils rampant throughout their society.  The people embraced paganism and were elevating their status at the expense of others.  They were ripe for judgement, and it came from a lowly sheepherder who labored in the 8th century B.C.  He traveled to the Northern Kingdom’s government seat and issued a severe call to repentance. He met strong resistance; he was told to go home and to never preach in Bethel again.  He was accused of being a conspiracy theorist who wanted to overthrow the government.  Yet, his message was as relevant for Israel as it is for America today.  He declared that Israel was suffering the effects of severe famine:   “Not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD” (8:11).  The overwhelming majority of America’s woes have been self inflicted by its neglect of the spiritual truths found in the Bible—the Word of God.  What saith the Scriptures?  People do not wish to abide by the Word of God, but instead abide by the opinions of man.  The Word of God is ALL SUFFICIENT:  ‘All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.’, 2 Timothy 3:16.
           
          Don’t compromise, and pray for our country that God would be merciful.

        • Troubleshooter

          muhammed666 ttpog @muhammed666 and @ttpog; If these misguided children think that they are having an unpleasant time “dealing with guys”, what would truly be “cool” would be for an entire generation of American and All youth to take the moral high road, (the morals advocated by Christ Jesus) and abstain from the self-murder of willful sin.  I know that even up to the last breath, anyone who calls on The Lord Jesus will be saved, but what a risky road to travel.  Children, I spent 40 years in the music business and the nightclub business, including the sex-trade clubs such as nudie bars and hot tub houses.  I woke up more afternoons than I can possibly remember with anywhere from 3 to 10 naked bodies lying about in an alcohol and drug daze, most of the time they were people whose names I did not know.  My point?  This kind of stupidity is not new, and it is certainly not “cool”.  It is dangerous, self-destructive, and cowardly.  Yes, cowardly.  It takes guts to refuse to participate in the insanity that all of your friends, co-workers, and “casual” acquaintances are immersing themselves in, but everyone has available to them the same support system I used to escape that life; Christ Jesus.  We can do all things through Christ Jesus, who strengthens us.  No weapon formed against us will prosper.  All who call on the Name Of The Lord Jesus Christ will be saved.  If I was able to do it, believe me, ANYONE can.

        • muhammed666

          @troubleshooter Well said , your 100% correct it does take guts to follow the narrow road. I remember that I chose the follow the pack mode for too many years and wish I could have those years back.I was lucky that a friend kept pushing me to go to a bible believing church with him one Sunday. It still took quite a while for me to settle in spirtually and I am still learning. I am greatful for his witnessing to me even though it made me very uncomfortable. He stated that the powers of darkness(satan) will fight with your conscious in such a way  that you will be burdened not to follow Jesus.  I was worried and burdened, “what would my friends say?” “What will this believing in Jesus do to me”? “I will loose my freedoms”? I have news for you folks you will have more freedom in your life than you ever though imaginable if you “Let go and let God” No doubt. You will have peace in your heart forever. No money or party, or facsade required. Just a simple profession of faith.

  • Badabing32745

    Boy, the typos! Sorry.

  • Inspiri

    Sometimes good people, well intentioned, victims may try to expose abuses by preminent figures, government and large corporations. Many of these ‘whistleblowers’ were fired from their jobs in the process of shining light on their issue of concern. The article below talks about it in depth. I share it because I think it shows how fear may drive wrong-headed decisions…that it happens in all contexts, and failure to seek justice is not limited to a group given ‘protective’ status, like gay couples. It’s happens to everyone.
    http://ethics.csc.ncsu.edu/old/12_00/basics/whistle/rst/bad_guy.html

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri I must be getting old. Too much dejavu. Finding no answers, just principles, standards, morals, manners and consideration for your fellow man under attack.
    Some questions: how does a prudent man make a decision if he tries to get his information from any electronic source?
    Where, besides the Bible is there any truth?
    Is anyone in the government looking out for “the people”?
    Does anyone ever attempt to see things from another’s point of view?
    How often does one try to love his neighbor as himself (sic)?
    How often do we even consider that we might be wrong about something?
    Are we signed up for something larger than ourselves?
    Are we part of the problem, or the solution?
    How much do we give to charity besides money?
    Are we givers or takers?
    And, finally, in a disagreement or discourse of any kind, how much is our effort making up for an insecurity of some kind?
    These are just rhetorical questions. My own answers in many cases lead me to more questions.
    All the evidence, quotations, history, science, certainly statistics, the media and any political talking points in any discussion, all seem to implode on themselves UNLESS one walks away, shuts up and finds out what God has to say about it.
    That takes a special kind of listening.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. I got a question for you. What was your profession? And when you felt you were at your best, what position did your hold? This is not the Socratic method at work here, just curiosity to understand why being open minded, curious, data driven, applied cognitive dissonance, and critical thinking is just a futile attempt of walking in this world. Humor me please.

  • Badabing32745

    Chairman and CEO at an international IT Company with offices in Bangladesh, India and the U.S.

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. Well I’m surprised. With questions like, “how does a prudent man make a decision if he tries to get his information from any electronic source?” And “Where, besides the Bible is there any truth?” I thought I was talking to someone that might have written a ‘manefesto’ …if I’m to be frank. Good to know I wasn’t speaking to the delusional. Oh, by the way, I am degreed engineer from a fine engineering school. I believe they are other truths in the world, like, gravity and electrons.

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri I had a double major in Pre-med and economics. Brought the science to the board room, not the body.

        • Troubleshooter

          Badabing32745 @Badabing32745, isn’t it interesting that someone who proudly claims to be a degreed Engineer from a fine Engineering School has spent the last 10 years in sales and marketing, teaching medicine to sales people.  Is it indecision, poor judgement, or just the effect of poor government on employment?  Maybe all of the above?

        • Randy G

          Maybe  His/her real job is ‘mucking’  corrals-(shoveling horsae manure)

        • Troubleshooter

          Randy G @Randy G: Now THAT is OCCAM’S RAZOR at work.  I will apply it again here; was it because of all of the horsecrap being shoveled by Him/Her now?

        • stonemike

          Believe me that manure job is the “universal job’ of all progressives,  and other than islam, which has MANY SIMILARITIES with progressivism, I know of no other political ideology that is actually based on lying, deceit, and ridicule! About the only undesirable tenet progressives currently do not share with islam is the INTENTION TO KILL the opposition, and I sincerely believe that is lurking in the ‘militant progressive’ future if they are not purged from ALL POSITIONS of authority by patriotic Americans!!

        • Randy G

          Depends on which  him/her you mean. As it is  I have been lied to & about  so much I like honesty even if others do not.

  • Badabing32745

    What I brought to that position was twenty years if my founding a company that got buy-in for total quality management.

  • Badabing32745

    Well, we have a couple of platforms from which to view. As an engineer, you were steeped in the black and white, linear mindset, along with the vast majority of humanity. I worked with engineers, software, telecommunication, computer hardware engineers and it was painful for them working in our company because I introduced them to the nonlinear, the subjective and the intangible. From truck drivers to CEO’s, it was initially painful until it got beautiful. Simply, it was self-expression in the machine of success until it became universally instinctive. The by-product was a quantum leap on the bottom line.
    Bringing this to IT folks was similar to that of engineers. Finding a computer Scientist with an MBA…. that was something! Children, can you say, “quantum leap(s)?”

    • Inspiri

      @Badabing32745. I’ve spent the last 10 yrs in sales in marketing…so what? I’ve used mind maps during training classes to teach medicine to sales reps. I expect more from you. From now on, no more foolish statements “like being gay in the bedroom lead to other sins” and “we arrest after a crime…we don’t arrest on intent”…as if that ought to change.

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri Even though you misread those two statements, I expect you not to attempt to manage our discourse.
        Incidentally, part of society’s problems is the media telling us what to “expect”. When one expects, he doesn’t get my respect. That is him filtering out what he does not want to hear. No more of that.

        • Inspiri

          so that why don’t you explain the meaning of those two statements. Where were you going with them? What picture were you trying to paint?  Because I judge on impact, not intent; I hold you responsible for your writings

  • ttpog

    By Dave Miller, Ph.D., 5-19-2008, Apologetics Press, http://www.apologeticspress.org
     
    By a 4-3 decision, the highest court in California has ruled that state laws which limit marriage to one man for one woman are unconstitutional. In a case that originated with the city of San Francisco (no surprise there) and numerous gay and lesbian couples, as well as various “gay rights” advocacy groups, the court concluded that the right to marry is “a fundamental constitutional right,” and therefore must be extended to same-sex couples. Shame, shame. Yet another example of outrageous judicial activism, legislating from the bench in defiance of all of America’s legal history, this far-reaching decision will undoubtedly send moral shock waves across American culture, and escalate the level of homosexual activism. This judicial audacity flies directly in the face of the over one million California voters whose signatures are expected to enable Californians to decide this November whether to protect the biblical definition of marriage with a constitutional amendment.
     
    For a human court to undermine the very foundations of civilization, by redefining marriage as created and established by the Creator Himself, is unconscionable. The court even admitted that throughout California history, “the statutory designation of marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman has remained unchanged” (California State…, 2008, p. 25). But, of course, constitutional history means nothing to justices who have abandoned their own constitutional responsibility in order to impose their own agenda. Dissenting Justice Baxter rightfully referred to such shenanigans as “legal jujitsu”:
     
    I cannot join this exercise in legal jujitsu, by which the Legislature’s own weight is used against it to create a constitutional right from whole cloth, defeat the People’s will, and invalidate a statute otherwise immune from legislative interference. Though the majority insists otherwise, its pronouncementseriously oversteps the judicial power (p. 7, emp. added).
     
    The court had the unmitigated gall to compare race and gender to “sexual orientation” (a veiled allusion to deviant sexual appetites—not genetic makeup as is the case with ethnicity and gender):
     
    Furthermore, in contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual’s capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual’s sexual orientation, and, more generally, that an individual’s sexual orientation—like a person’s race or gender—does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights. We therefore conclude that in view of the substance and significance of the fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship, the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual, and to same-sex couples as well as to opposite-couples (California State…, p. 7, emp. added).
     
    Such ridiculous reasoning logically implies that it is inevitably just a matter of time before the courts legalize and dignify every other sexual perversion as “marriage”—from polygamy and bisexuality, to pedophilia and bestiality. After all, by the same twisted “reasoning,” the “right to marry” would extend to such persons as well. If a man has a “constitutional right” to marry another man, then a man has the same right to marry his dog. Dissenting Justice Baxter put the entire matter in perspective:
     
    [T]here is no fundamental constitutional right to a same-sex legal union that equates in every respect with marriage…. But a bare majority of this court, not satisfied with the pace of democratic change, now abruptly forestalls that process and substitutes, by judicial fiat, its own social policy views for those expressed by the People themselves (p. 4, emp. added).
     
    In the 1885 Utah Territory case of Murphy v. Ramsey, the United States Supreme Court reaffirmed what America has always believed and practiced:
     
    For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit to take rank as one of the coordinate States of the Union, than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony; the sure foundation of all that is stable and noble in our civilization; the best guaranty of that reverent morality which is the source of all beneficent progress in social and political improvement (1885, emp. added).
     
    Such thinking was standard and typical in America from the very beginning until the turbulent 1960s. Americans knew that the very foundation of civilization depended on the home as God defined it in Genesis 1 and 2. They knew that to tamper with that prescription would mean the unraveling of society. Americans had better wake up and realize the deadly threat that sexual anarchy poses to the survival of the Republic. “Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it” (Psalm 127:1).
    REFERENCES
    California State Supreme Court, Opinion No. S147999, FindLaw, [On-line], URL: http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/glrts/inremrg51508opn.pdf.
    Murphy v. Ramsey (1885), 114 U.S. 15; 5 S. Ct. 747; 29 L. Ed. 47; 1885 U.S. LEXIS 1732.
     
    Obama ought to be ashamed, but he knows no shame.

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog. I have a genuine query for you and Badabing; Christian conservatives. What do you think of your fellow citizens that do jot believe in a God, let alone creationism? What do you think of Muslims that are citizens in this country, but take no part in Christian believes? Are these two groups without a conscience? Are they devoid of a moral code? Besides heaven, it there anything here on earth, on US soil that they are not entitled to as you? Should they be denied any right because they reject Christ?

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri  I am assuming you meant to say ‘not’, not jot.
         
        ‘What do you think of your fellow citizens that do jot [sic] believe in a God, let alone creationism?’  They are free to believe as they please, and they are allowed the right to do so in peace.  Christianity is not Islam; we do not deny rights to the ‘infidel’, let alone kill them.
         
        ‘What do you think of Muslims that are citizens in this country, but take no part in Christian believes [sic]?’  Same as above.
         
        ‘Are these two groups without a conscience?’  I suppose you are speaking of Christians and Muslims as the two groups?  No, everyone has a conscience.  Some are more calloused and seared than others.
         
        ‘Are they devoid of a moral code?’ Christianity is a religion of morals.  Islam is not.  Muslim scholars collectively agree, by virtue of divine example, a child becomes an adult, available for sexual intercourse as soon as she reaches the age of nine. Likewise, the Shari’a allows any faithful to marry a six-year-old child.  Before that age, even as young as a newborn, these men can practice ‘thighing’ on these babies.  Look it up. Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia and Yemen and Gulf countries. Those countries are notoriously known for that evil practice. It is very common to see a man of seventy or eighty years of age marrying a child of eight or ten. Recently an eighty-year-old Saudi man married a ten-year-old girl. On the wedding night, the child’s privates hemorrhaged so badly until they had to take her to the hospital. Another recent case was of a Yemeni man who raped his child-bride until she died. Those were just a handful of the thousands of rapes that take place each year on the pretense of marriage.  Yes, many if not most of them are devoid of morals.
         
        ‘Besides heaven, it [sic] there anything here on earth, on US soil that they are not entitled to as you?’  If they are US citizens, they have the same rights I do as afforded by our Constitution.  As a Christian, I treat them as I would like to be treated.  However, they should not receive ‘special’ rights and treatment because of their religion, only the free exercise thereof.
         
        ‘Should they be denied any right because they reject Christ?’  No, just as no other group is/are denied any rights.  However, Christians should not be denied any rights to the free exercise of religion either.

        • Inspiri

          Thank you for the explanation. I guess I struggle with your position that all US citizens have the same rights I do as afforded by our Constitution, but then because DOMA was amended to Consitition, you use it as a tool to wedge gay people from exercisinng those very same rights. DOMA should never have been added.  I believe it was at the height of homophobia (and HIV epidemic) in this country.  I believe DOMA violates the Establishment Clause, and intervened in the Free Exercise Clause when the free exercise of Christianity was never threatened. As I said, my priest still marries Men & Women…and is not ever going to marry same sex! I believe Obama has it right not to support Article 3.  He is accountable to all citizens.

  • Inspiri

    Was the earth created 10k yrs. ago?

    • ttpog

      @Inspiri I don’t know; I wasn’t there.  However, I know the One who was.  According to His Word, it was created AROUND 6 – 10k years ago.

      • Inspiri

        @ttpog. Is Science unsettling? Is it difficult to read geological sciences? How about the astrophysicists? The Sun is a star that will burn out one day…they see evidence of it in the universe? How do you think it made the Monarchies feel during the time of Galileo and Kepler? Do you agree with some communities in TX trying to ban science in school? Do you believe in Science? Are the polar caps shrinking? Have the sea levels been rising?

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri Science is not unsettling.  The sun will last as long as God allows.  From the beginning of Genesis, the Bible makes it clear that God not only created all things, but He is the ruler of all things.  God’s kingship extends to the seas, the skies, and the stars.  He is the one who controls the earth, the lives of all creatures, and the climate.  He did not make this planet unsustainable, even with all of the abuse people give it.
           
           ‘Dear friends, no not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.’  1John 4:1.
           
           ‘Test everything.  Hold on to the good.’  1 Thess.5:21  
           
          ‘Should you not fear me? declares the Lord.  Should you not tremble in my presence?  I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.  The waves may roll, but they CANNOT prevail; they may roar but they CANNOT cross it.’  Jeremiah 5:22 (caps mine).
           
          ‘In the 1960′s students were taught that the world was overpopulated, wars over food were inevitable, and ‘zero population growth’ was vital for humanity and the environment.  They were taught that the ‘Silent Spring’ in a world without birds was coming due to pesticide use.  The next generation learned that a great ice age was inevitable due to global cooling.  And today we have the specter of the horrible and inevitable results of global warming.’  So, which is it?  Since the early 1900′s several environmental scares have been debunked including alar, miniscule traces of heavy metals in water, running out of wood, running out of oil, too many horses, global cooling, population bomb, etc, etc.  Scary environmental prognostications have been consistently wrong for years. The predictions concern systems that are too complex to predict and typically fail to take into consideration human creativity and ingenuity. 
           
          No, the study of science should not be banned, but government indoctrination camps (public schools) should.  Schools indoctrinate young children who ‘are left in no doubt that we’re all headed for a despoiled, immiserated future unless they start planting pansies in their old shoes and use dryer lint as mulch.  No surprise that many children have become anxious.  The more impressionable among them are coming to believe that their smallest decisions could have catastrophic effects on the globe, which is nonsense, unless their smallest decision involves tipping vats of mercury into streams and rivers.’  They need to leave the children alone for goodness’ sake and stop burdening them with soul crushing guilt comprised of man-made lies.  Yes, I believe in the study of science, not the religion of it.  Polar caps may be shrinking, but who is to say that is not normal?  We do not have thousands of years of data to compare it to.  The seas will not leave the everlasting barriers God gave them.  They may roll and roar for a time, but they cannot prevail. 
           
          ‘Since no man knows the future, who can tell him what is to come?  No man has power over the wind to contain it; no one has power over the day of his death.’  Ecclesiastes 8:7-8a.

        • Inspiri

          I will eventually encourage my children to go to Stanford, Harvard or Princeton.  My biggest fear is not indoctrination of Marxist, Ccommunistic theories, but a fear of cheating, or the breakdown of ethical standards in leadership or management. Win at all costs!  That, more than anything else, is my greatest fear.

        • stonemike

          Inspiri Your ignorance with that statement is showing , you should be much more afraid of ‘anti-capitalist” brainwashing than any other problem! Even if cheating and dishonesty is rampant, at least under a free system these can be addressed with either “life change’ or “criminal prosecution”, under authoritarian govt like BIG EARS is instituting, the chances of individual endeavor  and achievement is non existent!  Call it like you want , in order to cheat or steal, there has to be wealth to be stolen, under militant socialism, the only  folks with any access to ANY WEALTH is the govt hierarchy, such as islamobama who miraculously now claims 12.3 million after originally reporting a worth of a little over two million and that is very questionable as many billions of tax dollars have been stolen thru the years by COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS like jesse jackson and obammi!

        • Inspiri

          Mike, you sound ridiculous. Your rambling is nothing more than unintelligible thoughts. Trust is the engine of markets. It’s what drives investment and commerce. Without trust, no one can believe in promise of present, future profits. Are you a stakeholder in the markets? Did or do you work in the corporate world?

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri  You stated that you do  not fear communistic trappings of these so called Colleges of higher education, rt ? Yet the essence of communism is win at all cost, trample those in your way. I mean lets face it communistic teachings bear no ethical standards and forget about leadership, how about dictatorship. I would rethink your statement.  In terms of Ivy league colleges being ‘stock full of ethics’ think again. Enrollement alone is highly discriminatory in terms of race and wealth.

      • Randy G

        @ttpog  @Inspiri Actually it was our current History that started over 6K years ago. Too many thing ARE older than that.

    • Randy G

      @Inspiri No Just our current history memory.

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri In the seventies I sold mini-computer systems for fifteen years. Used mind maps a lot as an aid to get into innovation and envisioning. Great connecting tool, as well.

    • Inspiri

      You make a foolish statement. Neuroscientists have shown making subjective evaluations significantly limits thought to fight or flights responses. I see that often in the response I get to some of my posts. I’ve been in sales and marketing for many years and they are trying to teach managers to make objective evaluations. I watch guys like Jeremy Grantham and Nate Silver run circles around the experts. Why? because they stay objective. Now your talking out of your arse

  • Badabing32745

    @inspiri While I will not catch the basketball the way you throw it, intended to funnel me into a certain corridor of intellectual entrapment, or channel my thoughts into your intended outcome, I will say that is a matter of choice.
    You will recall that I said earlier you either believe or do not; you either follow Christ’s teachings or you do not.
    What I cannot abide, in any situation is a law that allows any group to be above the American rule of law eg., Sharia; or any onslaught on the founding edifices of this country. Your attempts to snippetize or diminish the potential harm of a comparatively miniscule act and use it as an example to gain legal favor, ignoring our previous discussions that cause me to ask you to review our earlier discourses. It seems you either typecast or respond to words. I have no time for intellectual jujitsu.

    • Inspiri

      If you feel like it has been intellectual jujitsu, it is because you are struggling with holding both aspects of First Amendment in dissonance.  Let’s use Sharia because ,,,I want to remove as much emotion from the intellectual exercise. The govt will not establish a DOMA-like amendment because 1. Establishment Law prohibits them from establishing “Christianity as the foundation of USA”, 2. The fear has not risen to a high enough level like it did in the 90′s of homosexuality.  The Fed won’t ban Sharia either because of Free Exercise Law. a few local govt have chosen to do so, but they are violating the US constitution.  Im quite sure we will in our life time debate over Supreme Court hearing a case Jefferson County v. Muhammed. As I have said before, to be a true American citizen, you must separate god from this issue.  I know you won’t.  But thank God, the Supreme Court justices will…the are beholden to US Constitution…not God.  They leave that to you. Oh, and don’t try to insult me…I have understand and characterized this debate most accurately.

      • ttpog

        @InspiriDOMA is constitutional.  Testimony of Michael P. Farris:
         
        Marriage is one of the foundations that the majority of people in the United States cherish. Even the Supreme Court has described traditional marriage as a “basic civil right.” Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). Marriage is “fundamental to our very existence and survival” and is a revered institution “older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, [and] older than our school system.” Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S.C. 1, 12 (1967).
         
        Article IV of our Constitution provides that full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public proceedings of every other state, and that, and this is the critical issue: “Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records, and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.” Const. Article IV.
        Of this clause, James Madison wrote:
         
        The power here established may be rendered a very convenient instrument of justice, and be particularly beneficial on the borders of contiguous States, where the effects liable to justice may be suddenly and secretly translated in any stage of the process within a foreign jurisdiction.
        The Federalist, No. 42, at 271 (James Madison) (Clinton Rossiter, ed., 1961).
         
        Congress has only exercised its Article IV § 1 authority four times. In 1790, Congress codified the functions of the Full Faith and Credit clause (28 U.S.C. § 1738). In 1980, Congress passed the Parental Kidnapping Prevention Act (28 U.S.C. § 1738A). In 1994, the Full Faith and Credit Child Support Orders Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. § 1738B) became law. Finally, in 1996, Congress passed DOMA.
         
        Congress’ exercise of its authority to legislate under the Full Faith and Credit Clause has never been successfully challenged in any court. Since there is no legal precedent by which the constitutionality of DOMA can be measured, the best available standard is found in these prior acts of Congress.
         
        The law of 1790 was merely procedural in character. It does not serve as a precedent for DOMA. However, the 1980 and 1994 laws established clear legislative precedents that demonstrate that Congress is fully within its authority to enact DOMA.
         
        Both of these prior enactments deal with disputes arising in the area of family law. Both of these statutes are closely connected to the legal issues of marriage. The 1980 Parental Kidnapping Act was designed to bring national uniformity to the recognition of child custody decrees. Citing a growing number of cases which involved interstate disputes over child custody decrees and the alarming practice of “frequent resort to the seizure, restraint, concealment, and interstate transportation of children,” Congress passed this law to determine which decrees would be given full faith and credit.
         
        Congress made a substantive policy decision that child custody decrees would not be granted full faith and credit if the child had not lived in the forum for at least six months prior to the events in question. 28 U.S.C. § 1738A(b)(4) and (c)(2). A supplemental rule was adopted governing residency questions when the child had been removed from his home state by a contestant to the proceeding, i.e., parental kidnapping. §1738A(c)(2)(A)(ii).
         
        The 1994 enactment was designed to settle disputes between states over which decrees granting child support would be enforced. 28 U.S.C. §1738B. Similar policy questions were answered to bring uniformity to a hopelessly conflicted area of litigation.
         
        These congressional acts have guided the courts in thousands of cases. The issue of the constitutionality of these provisions has never been raised successfully.
        There is nothing in the language or history of Article IV § 1 of the Constitution that would indicate that Congress must wait until there is a morass of existing cases and numerous bad experiences to bring peace and uniformity to the interstate practice of family law. In enacting the Defense of Marriage Act, Congress has acted preemptively to settle problems before they arise.
         
        Congress either has the power to establish rules concerning the full faith and credit recognition of family law acts of the several states or it does not. There is no logical basis for concluding that, on the one hand, Congress can decree that child kidnapping shall never form the basis for a valid custody determination, yet it cannot dictate which marriages shall be deemed valid for the purposes of full faith and credit recognition.
         
        Advocates of same-sex marriage will argue that there is a world of factual difference between such a marriage and parental self-help in a custody dispute. Such differences may indeed make a difference to courts in evaluating equal protection challenges to DOMA, but they should have no effect on a determination of whether Congress had the authority to act under Article IV § 1. Congress has made a policy decision concerning the recognition of valid decrees concerning the custody of children. It can certainly make other policy determinations connected to the interstate recognition of other decrees and acts of other aspects of family law.
         
        The Congressional Research Service opines in its exhaustive The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation,
         
        It does not seem extravagant to argue that Congress may under the clause describe a certain type of divorce and say that it shall be granted recognition throughout the Union and that no other kind shall. Or to speak in more general terms, Congress has under the clause power to enact standards whereby uniformity of state legislation may be secured as to almost any matter in connection with which interstate recognition of private rights would be useful and valuable.
        Id. at 870.
         
        DOMA should be construed consistently with the laws concerning uniformity of custody decrees and child support awards. Congress can declare which decrees are enforceable in other states and which are not. Congress could, consistent with this legislative precedent, say that same-sex marriages will not be recognized in the United States by any jurisdiction other than the one in which it was originally performed. Congress has taken a much more modest approach. All it has said is that sister states are not compelled to recognize such marriages.
         
        In my view, DOMA is perfectly consistent with the precedent created in the legislative history and should be held to be constitutional.

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. I support the president that Article 3 of DOMA is not constitutional. Read the brief from DOJ. As far as Richard Farris, what problem(s) was Congress trying to prevent preemptively with DOMA???!

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri I read the brief.  It is replete with error and problems, as is the concept of same-sex marriage.
           
          As Michael Farris said:  Advocates of same-sex marriage will argue that there is a world of factual difference between such a marriage and parental self-help in a custody dispute. Such differences may indeed make a difference to courts in evaluating equal protection challenges to DOMA, but they should have NO EFFECT on a determination of whether Congress had the AUTHORITY to act under Article IV § 1. (caps mine).

        • muhammed666

          @Inspiri @ttpog Of course we wouldnt expect anythng but support for the president’s agenda, at least from those naieve enough to believe he is looking for equality. Pull up Rense.com look at the communist takeover of America-45 declared goals. The article is from 1963. Homosexuality was being promoted there as well. Why ? By destroying the moral compass of this nation the communist agenda advances. Because each time the government does  it adds a few more sheep to thier fold, hence votes. On top of that it advances the need to make Bible irrevalent and in need of correction.  At that point the government replaces religion with its own communist manifesto. Be careful what you ask for, the only checks and balances that this country has left are those so called “Religious” folks that are not for sale. America certainly doesnt need its government to decide morality for us. Thats like asking a pedophile if pedohilia is ok.

      • Badabing32745

        @Inspiri I will not try to insult you. I will attempt to keep my neurons in check, as well. Than God for the erase key!
        Dealing with Engineers and their thinking processes, as well as software developers, it was difficult to get them into the realm of the subjective since it was immeasurable.

  • Badabing32745

    Inspiri Now you are telegraphing your blows. Better not step into a boxing ring.
    Read C.S. Lewis. Please.

  • DenisKhan

    Afghanistan Wars are similar to The Vietnam Wars which were fought on the poppy fields of Hanoi. Opium weakened the US and the drug funding strengthened Terrorism. Gay marriages are planted to destroy the US like Sodom and Gomorrah. Obama bows before the Saudi monarch. The Muslim world will never sanction Gay marriage.

  • ttpog

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality …; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them (Romans 1:26-32).
     
    Not only is God displeased with homosexuality, but according to Paul’s assertion in verse 32, God is equally displeased with those who are simply supportive of such conduct—though they themselves do not participate in it. Those who believe they are acting with “sympathy” and “tolerance” toward homosexuals would do well to ask themselves if they think they are more sympathetic, compassionate and tolerant than God?

    • Inspiri

      @ttpog. Good question. So Paul says I’m on God’s shitlist because I support not gay marriage, but equal rights under Man’s laws. Is Paul speaking for God, or is God speaking through Paul? I want I know. I’m not familiar with text. I will tell God that I followed the golden rule, especially when I couldn’t, especially when the other human deserved all of my hate! I will tell him I led a life like Christ. I will tell him I didn’t use his laws to control or punish others, that justice was his at death. I will tell him I followed man’s laws when crimes were committed. That my state killed convicts when I disagreed. I will tell him that I lived in peace with all of my neighbors…as he instructed me to do. In the end, I will tell God I lived life with Christ through me.

      • ttpog

        @Inspiri
        ‘Is Paul speaking for God, or is God speaking through Paul?’  All Scripture is inspired by God.  
         
        We all deserve the wrath (hate) of God.  ‘But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;’  Isaiah 64:6.  If you are relying on your ‘works’ for entrance into God’s kingdom, you are deceived.  Pride goes before destruction.  All I see in your list above is ‘I’ this, ‘I’ that, and ‘I’ the other.  My hope is in Christ ALONE!

        • Inspiri

          @ttpog. Look, I was given 10 Commandments. I take full accountability for my actions. I don’t need to sell God. What are you a political strategist? I heard that critique of Dem candidates when Hillary was running.

        • ttpog

          @Inspiri There are 65 more books, not just Exodus.  God is not for sale.

      • Randy G

        @Inspiri As my Grandfather”Pappy” use to tell me–”Don’t believe anything you hear & only Half of what you see” as an ameter magician i can vouch for the 2nd half of that statement.

  • ttpog

    ‘Polls, Sarah Palin once joked, are for firemen and cross-country skiers. When it comes to politics, they’re a little less reliable. These days, polls try to shape more opinions than they reflect–and there’s no better example of that than the spin coming out of Quinnipiac University. The once-reputable survey house found itself on plenty of news outlets over the weekend for its blockbuster poll on same-sex “marriage.” Based on the numbers, Quinnipiac analyst Peter Brown claimed Catholics were supposedly “leading American voters toward support for same-sex ‘marriage.’”
     
    Turns out, the statement was a wild misrepresentation of the group’s own data. Stunned by Brown’s statement, organizations like Bill Donohue’s Catholic League took a closer look at the survey and found that Quinnipiac had deliberately distorted the numbers. Instead of segregating the data based on church attendance–as the survey had done on every other question–Quinnipiac intentionally lumped together the responses of practicing and non-practicing Catholics to achieve the desired result: 54% support for same-sex “marriage.” Predictably, Donohue says, “the media gave this ‘finding’ TOP billing.”
     
    In reality, popular opinion wasn’t so popular after all. The survey found that regular churchgoers are overwhelmingly opposed to counterfeit marriage–by an even larger margin than Quinnipiac claimed. Donohue’s group blasted the organization for manipulating the data to suit their agenda. (Why else would the organization have kept uniform standards for every question BUT this one?)
     
    “After our news release was distributed,” Bill wrote, “reporters from CNSNews.com contacted Quinnipiac. What they admitted totally alters the outcome: 55% of Catholics who are regular church-goers are opposed to gay ‘marriage’ and only 38% favor it.” Peter Brown, whose selective reporting helped mislead the public, claimed that Quinnipiac “only [has] so much space, and can only do so many things up front.” (ACCURACY, apparently, being one of those things it CANNOT do “up front.”)
     
    Although Quinnipiac confessed to slanting the data, the organization refuses to correct its website or the press’s misconceptions. To them, it’s an inconvenient truth that the church is still fiercely opposed to redefining marriage. Unlike some people, whose principles sway to and fro with the politically correct winds, our convictions are fixed. As Christians, we stand for what’s right–even if it means standing alone. And right now, we’re far from alone!’  (caps mine).
     
    ‘…the organization refuses to correct its website or the press’s misconceptions.  It is this type of behavior that earns homosexual activists the scorn they often receive.  Blatant refusal of facts and the ability to LIE CONVINCINGLY to our faces, in the FACE of actual EVIDENCE that contradicts is hypocrisy to the extreme.

  • Badabing32745

    To quote Forbes on the “business of life”, ‘With all thy getting, get understanding.’
    I will no longer respond to such an arrogant, egotistical, insecure, cocksure, pidgeonholer. I have no more time for your learning curve (s). Go take over another blog.

  • a_jetboat_man

    Marriage is defined as a relationship between one man and one woman.  Obama is not so powerful that he can redefine marriage that has lasted for over two thousand years.  He can be a fag if he wants to but he cannot push it on me and 99.9% of the world.

  • artjohns7474365

    The book; “The Harbinger” spells out in horrifying detail what lies ahead for America. Just like the destruction of ancient Israel because they turned their backs on God, America is following in their footsteps. Obama won’t destroy America, because America is already destroying itself by turning their backs against God the same as ancient Israel did. I just hope the church will be raptured out before this tribulation period gets underway.

  • DenisKhan

    In his
    congratulatory message to Pope Francis, Obama virtually ‘snubbed’ the Pope,
    leader of 1.2 billion Catholics ,reminding him of the cafeteria US Catholics
    who supported the Dems in his thumping victory – a victory for Gay marriages &Drugs.