AK-47s, AR-15s, Police and You

By now you’ve read dozens of articles and commentaries on the proposed gun control laws.  We’ve even posted several video clips of statements and debates.  Through it all, there is one constant and that is that most of the news hosts are flaming liberals that are anti-gun.

One of those anti-gun liberals is Bray Cary from The State Journal’s Decision Makers program.  The State Journal claims to be West Virginia’s only business newspaper in the state.

I watched several of Cary’s news clips on their website and there is no doubt about him being a liberal in many areas.  On one of those videos, he interviewed Keith Morgan, president of the West Virginia Citizen’s Defense League.

Cary opens up by stating that the debate on the place of guns in our society is long overdue and Morgan takes him to task from that point on saying:

“I have to take issue with the immediate premise that we started out with that it’s a long overdue discussion.  The discussion is as old as the country itself.  The Framers set everything up and settled that discussion pretty well with the wording and language of the Second Amendment…”

Even though Cary said that he was glad to be able to have a rational discussion on the issue with Morgan, he was anything by rational.  Cary kept throwing out absurd and nonsensical arguments that only showed his ignorance and extreme bias on the subject.  On more than one occasion, Morgan confronted Cary about not being rational.

Morgan points out that the intent behind the Second Amendment was to have the people of the United States be as equally armed as the military.  That really sent Cary reeling with irrational arguments.  Morgan also brought out the fact that the citizens should have every right to be equally armed as law enforcement for the purpose of self-defense.  If police are allowed to have AK-47s and AR-15s for their self-defense, then legally, the citizens are entitled to have them also.  He pointed out something that I previously wrote about, and that it is not the duty of the police to protect us, as ruled by the US Supreme Court.

Cary also uses the same tactic that Joe Biden used with Paul Ryan last year, when he kept interrupting Morgan and not allowing him to complete his statements.  It’s obvious that Cary is so brainwashed by the Obama anti-gun agenda that he seems incapable of comprehending the truths that Morgan shared.  He sloughed them off and kept spouting his anti-gun rhetoric that is untrue and nothing more than an emotional red-herring.

I applaud Keith Morgan for not losing his composure during that interview. I would have had a harder time dealing with Cary’s ignorance and manners.  He is typical of so many other liberals that I have seen and dealt with over the years.  Their minds are made up, they are not open to anything else, no matter how truthful it is, but they fully want you to open your mind to what they are saying and change your opinion.

It kind of reminds me of Harry Reid constantly blaming Republicans for not being willing to compromise and then turning around and stating that he will not entertain any of the Republican bills on jobs or the economy.  But that’s how they operate.  It doesn’t matter if they are lying, inaccurate and exaggerating, they believe what they say to be true and you won’t change their minds for anything.







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  • Buck OFama

    Donkey’s Bray, it’s expected.    You can’t blame a dumb ass.

  • silvernotes

    Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim.There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases where the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is “You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980’s when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole.”  The few instances of tragedy do not trump the rest of our liberties to protect ourselves. We live in a free society different than anywhere else in the world, and there are costs associated with it. The founders knew this, and intelligently gave us the tools to protect it.

    • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

      @silvernotes The SCOTUS case is DeShaney v. Winnebago County Dept. of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).

  • CaptTurbo

    I saw that video and was proud of him for defending America and the Constitution. I saw earlier today that NBC is going to be telecasting a big anti-gun propaganda piece this evening. It will be about guns going to school with students. They showed a film clip of a young “student” putting a Baretta 92FS into his book bag and heading for the bus. What a crock!, What an attack on everything our country stands for! Obviously the networks get their marching orders from the Manchurian infested White House. Wake up folks! Wake up!

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @CaptTurbo A film of a ‘student’ packing heat into his book bag?
       
      And they didn’t notify the police?
       
      Was this part of a conspiracy to commit a gun crime, orchestrated by adults and using an underage person to commit the actual crime?
       
      Where’s the DA on this criminal activity?
       
      At minimum there is the producer, the Director, the entire camera and sound crew, the network would have to approve the scene….
       
      I see MASSIVE fines that would be paid into the local coffers of the jurisdiction that prosecutes…..

  • Ron Mar

    The writer has the Dem Lib Obamaniacs down pretty well. The guest on the “news” show handles the DLO host as well as could be done.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    I would imagine the following could be used to explain the Constitution to blithering idiots like this moron….
     
    Note to politicians:
    This may come as a shock to some of you that feel public opinion is the sole arbiter of Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights, and, if so, then it would be in your best interests to learn your job description.
     
    When you ran for Public office, won the election, and took the Oath of Office you promised the voters that you were the best person for the position to see to the needs of the infrastructure.
     
    Included in your Oath of Office was a promise to uphold, Protect and Defend the Constitution.
     
    At no point is there an exemption that would allow ‘consensus’, or ‘public opinion polls’, or ‘what-ifs’ as an excuse to violate your Oath of Office.
     
    Now this next part is going to be a real shocker.
     
    Legislated law can NEVER supersede Constitutional Law. 
     
    You knew that going in… or if you didn’t then you lied to the Voter in exchange for their votes. 
     
    That would be fraud, and everybody knows that you would never lie in exchange for something of value under false pretenses.
    If you choose to write a bill that is in direct conflict with the Constitution, that would be an act of Conspiracy to violate the Constitution. 
     
    Any person that works on the writing of the bill would be a co-conspirator.( or propagandizing in favor of)
     
    IF that bill is presented for a vote, each vote in favor would be a deliberate and intentional violation of your oath of Office as well as an act of TREASON against the People, the Constitution, and America as an ideal.
     
    Now, since many of you have long careers in public office, complete with Public Records that could be researched for a pattern of criminal acts to undermine the Constitutions of both the State and United States Constitutions over a period of years.
     
    Many of you could be looking at life sentences with no chance of parole and the People may not be amenable to supplying a cushy place for you to live out your life.
     
    Not many people like being lied to then stabbed in the back by self-serving corrupt politicians.

  • AnthonyAlexander

    Cary is RUDE and rudeness is a small mans form of control when he knows he does not have any control. That’s why Cary Biden and any liberal behaving in such a manner demonstrates their true color and character as a person. I this case it is pathetic

    • guest54

      @AnthonyAlexander
       all liberals are rude, especially when you refute them with the truth.

  • AnthonyAlexander

    “ But that’s how they operate.  It doesn’t matter if they are lying, inaccurate and exaggerating, they believe what they say to be true and you won’t change their minds for anything.”…..
     
    Thats because liberalism is a disease.  After listening to this idiot, now I know that liberalism and leftist thoughts rank up there with Alzheimer’s, dementia, Parkinson’s and especially NEUROSIS, other neurological diseases and mental disorders.
     
    Liberalism is a disease because the liberal agenda’s principles violate the rules of ordered liberty, their most determined efforts to realize its visionary fantasies inevitably fall short. Yet, despite all the evidence against it, the modern liberal mind believes his agenda is good social science. It is, in fact, bad science fiction. In spite of all the data that shows their visionary fantasies are all failures, they persist in this agenda, despite its madness, and therefore fall under the old saying insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results. Moreover the liberal always has scapegoats, far flung theories, distortions and above all LYING, to prop up and keep their mindless fantasies moving, and when the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains, speaks of conspiracies and credulous statements seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious. Liberalism IS a disease, common sense is the cure. But as Ron White the comedian says……there ain’t no fixin STUPID in this case the same applies……………… There ain’t no fixin liberalism

  • HastingsLamb

    Cary has his head up his arse and the brown ring around his nose is proof of his relationship with the Obama administration and the brown ring around his neck proves just how deep he’s wiling to crawl up Obama’s colon to feed himself on manna from the king.  When it comes to understanding the constitution and especially the Bill of Rights, Cary is full of Obama manna from his nether region exploits!

    • USAFretiredIn77

      @HastingsLamb You are 100% correct and a true Patriot.  It Does my heart good to tread letters from AMERICANS, however, I am sickened when a liberal “Gun Hater”  tries to defend the lefts opinion. God Bless the, Unites States of America now AND FOREVER!

  • Gary M

    First off, any changes to any ammendments in our Constitution must be approved by 2/3’s of the states. This is a direct legislature vote, not electoral college BS. There are not enough Blue states in the US to get this done. 2. The Constitution has a direct method for how legislation takes place. That was the reason why there are three sep.  branches of gov’t. This is so  no one branch can run rough shod over the rest, as Obama has been doing with his executive orders. Finally, The Bill of Rights was given to “WE The People” It is not within the current gov’t  or any gov’r ability to change them, restrict them or in other ways deny us these certain inalienable rights.  If we allow that to happen this country is lost.  If pushed, would we defend those rights with our lives? I certainly hope so. I know I would.

    • ErSwnn

      Don’t put too much concern into the executive orders.  An EO only has power with federal employees, not the citizens.  As such any actual laws still has to go through the Consititutional steps, an EO has no effect as law.

      • edodaniel

        @ErSwnn Don’t put too much faith into that FACT because FDR issued an Executive Order that removed the gold Standard and outlawed the private ownership of gold other than jewelry and some few coin collections.
         
        April 5, 1933, Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102, which ordered people to turn in their gold to the government at payment of $20.67 per ounce. While there were some exceptions for dental use, jewelry, and artists and others who used gold in their jobs, most people were not covered. (Individuals could hold up to $100 in gold coins, but the government confiscated the rest.) Furthermore, the president’s order nullified all private contracts that called for payment in gold, something that led Sen. Carter Glass of Virginia to declare that the whole thing was “dishonor.”
         
        Roosevelt based his order on the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act, which gave the president the power to prevent people from “hoarding gold” during a time of war. Of course, the United States was not at war in 1933, but Roosevelt claimed that it was a “national emergency” and Congress and the courts meekly bowed to the executive.
         
        We can only hope that this time the courts and Congress will tell Obama and his Attorney General (the gun runner) that the executive has no authority to issue the orders he has already issued and to cease and desist.

    • PhilCote

      @Gary MI agree with you but take much offense in the ignorant use of, not just you but most everyone today, the word INALIENABLE.. Please read further and let me explain. The term you are looking for is UNALIENABLE which are rights given to you by your creator and thus are rights that you cannot be given away nor can they be taken away. INALIENABLE are rights that can be given away with your consent or by your non action of such rights being taken away. In other words PRECEDENCE. The framers of our Constitution and Bill of rights used the word UNALIENABLE many times and was very intentional. I see politicians and other officials substitute the word INALIENABLE in lieu of the word UNALIENABLE and I have to think it is done intentional as these people are very well educated in language and are masters of it.

      • Gary M

        @PhilCote  @Gary M
         Ut Oh, you caught me. I stand having failed the spelling bee. I’ll bet 90% of people make that  mistake. But you are correct! Bottom line: these are rights that can not be taken away from us. BTW I do know that Corps is pronounced “Cor” …

    • SNAKEDOCTOR

      @Gary M
       Here Here!  Gary you are a Patriot!

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    Let me enlighten those on the Left who think they know what they are talking about.  As a member of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, (jfpo.org), they publish a book entitled “Gun Control-Gateway to Tyranny”.
    The book shows how  the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act was lifted from the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law, and then lays it side by side to show identical draconian laws:
     
    The similarities of the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law and the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act, and New Jersey Gun Control laws are similar, if not the same:
     
    1938 NAZI WEAPONS LAW:
     
    1.  Targeted ordinary citizen gun owners,
    manufacturers, and dealers, rather than
    criminals.
     
    2.  Required any private person to prove
    himself fine/“reliable” before being
    “allowed” to own a firearm.
         
    3.  Presumed that gun ownership was a
    government-granted privilege, not a right.
     
    4.  Gave the government unrestricted power to
    decide what kinds of firearms could or could
    not be owned by citizens.  Defines “hunting
    weapons” as a special class.
     
    5.  Forced all firearms manufacturers and dealers
    to obtain a government license.
     
    6.  Required all firearms dealers to record all sales
         and to turn over those records if the business
         closes. Allowed for police inspection of records.
     
    7.  Required all firearms to bear a serial number
         and maker’s or dealer’s mark.
     
    8.  Required all gun owners to identify where all
    firearms were in the house to allow for police
    or government officers to enter home and go
    right to the location of the firearms.
     
    (New U.S. laws  would require police/government
    inspection of gun owner’s residence and where firearms
    will be located.)
     
               
    1968 U.S. GUN CONTROL ACT & NEW JERSEY GUN CONTROL LAWS
     
    1.  Targets ordinary citizen gun owners, manufacturers,
    and dealers, rather than criminals.
     
    2.  Requires the citizen to declare, under penalty of
    and/or imprisonment that s/he is not barred under
    the law from acquiring a firearm.
     
    3.  Presumes that gun ownership is a government-
    granted privilege, regulated under the interstate
    commerce clause, not a right.
     
    4.  Gives government the power to decide what kinds
    of firearms can or cannot be owned by citizens.
    Introduced the “sporting purposes” test that was
    not defined either by law or regulation.
     
    5.  Forces all firearms manufacturers and dealers to
    obtain a federal license.
     
    6.  Requires all firearms dealers to record all sales and
    to turn over those records if the business closes. 
    allows for inspection of records by the Treasury
    Department’s Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
    Division.  The U.S. and N.J. laws specify that the buyer
    of the firearm list his race.
     
    7.  Requires all firearms to bear a serial number and
    maker’s mark.
     
    8.  New US laws would require police/government
    inspection of gun owner’s residence and where firearms
    will be located.

    • SNAKEDOCTOR

      @NoMoreMarxistsInDC
       The Left needs a dose of their own medicine. Time to assemble and know your neighbors well. Once the door is locked there is no Pass to get in.

  • PhilBronner

    Liberalism truly is a mental disorder….just listening to one for five minutes will convince you of that…and you need not have a medical degree….it’s kind of like the Supreme Court justice’s comment about pornography…to paraphrase…”I may not be able to define it…but I know it when I see it”…..

  • pudbertsavannahga

    Cary is the typical communist that are dead set on bringing our great country down to the level of Europe and every other NON-FREE country in the world…
     
    Intelligent men have always stated that it will not be a military that brings our country down,, but the ignorance of both politicians combined with a lazy slave-minded people………..

  • wvbh17

    I am a WV resident and am glad to hear that West Virginia Citizens Defense League is still in existence as I sent in a membership application along with a check for $50 as I thought it would be a sensible group to be associated with. Several weeks later I rec’d my application and check back with postal writing on the front of the envelope saying it was undeliverable. I had used the address from the organization’s web page so I naturally assumed it had been disbanded. I am hoping someone who knows their address might help me out in this matter as I would still like to join.
    I have just recently been in contact with the Sheriff here in Roane County. I went to his office in the courthouse in Spencer to introduce myself and to tell him I was very glad to read in the local paper that he signed a petition saying he would stand against unconstitutional laws to confiscate firearms from Roane County law abiding citizens.   I also supplied him with a booklet produced by Sheriff  Richard Mack titled “The County Sheriff, America’s Last Hope”. 
    We must stand behind our County Sheriffs who feel the same way and try to convince the ones who are confused about what laws are constitutional and ones that are not, I site the Sheriff of Kanawha County as one who said he’d “enforce the law”,,, never articulating exactly what law he was referring to. We need strong leaders holding the office of Sheriff here in our wonderful state of West Virginia, not fence sitters.
    Thanks for allowing me to express my opinion.

  • Arizonasicandtired

    I still maintain that we need to rid our nation of all liberals, communust and socialist progressives PERIOD!!!

  • Redmongo1

    It’s like talking with a brick wall. After a while you have to let the wall come crashing down to build something useful from it.

    • w3sj

      @Redmongo1 I really can’t think of anything useful that could be built using Liberals or Liberal ideas as parts.

      • thepatriot

        How about a “funny farm”  insane asylum.   They would make great tenants.

      • Nathan51

        @w3sj  @Redmongo1 They make good fertilizer.

        • GrumpyOldGoat

          @Nathan51  @w3sj  @Redmongo1 Only after they have been composted at the bottom of the manure pile for a few years….

  • Inspiri

    I would like to have stun guns and flack jackets. When I’m feeling threatened by tyrannical government’s henchmen, the police, I want to defend myself on par with local law enforcement. Thinking tactically, I would also like to purchase tear gas and masks.

    • thepatriot

      Better get a bullet proof vest, too.

    • bafrank

      @Inspiri Bullet proof vests are readily available as are the gas masks. Tear gas may be slightly harder to get, but can be concocted with recipes equally available on the internet, if you are so inclined.

  • joyfulsong

    If they don’t get gun control passed, they will stage another mass shooting.  See http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005 and part 2: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/mobile/mobile-article/52923

    • darylj46

      @joyfulsong
       The anti gun loons in the government are taking the first steps to the “UN GUN BAN TREATY”, which will start talks on March 3 or 18. This way Obummer will excutive order it and blame it on the UN.

  • Gary M

    DHS refers to them as “Personal defense Weapons” but only in their hands, in our hands they are thought to be illegal and not “Personal Defense Weapons” . We’re to be allowed: shot guns (for the time being) handguns(for the time being) ,pea shooters and sling shots.  Everyone should read the 3rd Amendment for it directly relates and supports the 2nd Amendment!

  • faithandfreedom

    Kinda reminds me of darling Piers, yes? Pompous ass. If they only knew how utterly foolish they look, buffoons that they are.

    • thepatriot

      They’re not intelligent enough to know how ignorant they are and they’re not like to ever know b/c they’re too closed minded.

  • Crotalus Maxximus

    Local LE is not allowed to enforce immigration law so why should they be expected to enforce gun federal gun laws?

  • USPatriotOne

    Keith Morgan ripped him a new one.  The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or any gun sporting event, period!  It is to protect private Citizen from Government, (Obama and his Communist Cronies) TYRANNY, and Americans should be allowed to purchase Automatic Weapons.  No place in the Consitution does it give the Government the right to prevent a U.S. Citizen from abtaining and owning one and without a license or registration.  That’s the LAW…!!!  The U.S. Consitution is the Law of the Land…PERIOD…!!!

    • JeffreyThomasBrowning

      @USPatriotOne You can own full auto, even purchase it through your local dealer. You need to get a C&R license from the Fed, and pay a $200.00 tax per weapon. They are prohibitively expensive, however and the BATFE will have an open invite to inspect your storage facility, and inventory.

      • USPatriotOne

        @JeffreyThomasBrowning  @USPatriotOne
         Jeff I know that you can own a Full Auto, but the point I was trying to make is the 2nd Amendment does not require Americans to get some illegal license to obtain a full Auto.  These license are illagel, Period!

        • Patriot 5

          @USPatriotOne  @JeffreyThomasBrowning That is totally correct US Patriot One, while most any gun owner knows he or she must be Responsible in handling any weapon there should be no restriction as the weapons are meant as a deterrent against a corrupt as well as it’s the duty of every Patriotic Citizen to Overthrow a corrupt government as well as defend against their take over by force.

        • Patriot 5

          @USPatriotOne  @JeffreyThomasBrowning Also there should be no permit required as that’s just a form of registration!
           
          We as Patriots are in essence just like any other soldier laying our life on the line to protect our Nation and ourselves and we should be able to have the small hand held arms equal to whatever the Military has without restriction because we are Responsible in our actions!!

        • JeffHaman

          According to the Founders,licensing by the gov would BE tyrrany and a governmental violation of Natural Rights! Bearing of arms was self defense first and defense against tyrranical government as a last resort.The reason self defense isn’t mentioned in the 2A is the same reason breathing and eating isn’t mentioned! It’s Natural and obviously known by all but the mentaly defectives! Still is!

  • CarltonGoodson

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.This go’s for all fellon or not the right to selfdefence belongs to all.

  • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

    Well it’s about time we should not argue with fools like Bray Cary and Piers Morgan and other liberal media hype who would like to distort the truth like Stinkin’ Commmunist China who spreads nefarious propaganda that infest the media. It is time to unseat them from power send them to a faraway island where PINKO COMMIE TROLL MINDED like GOM of the LORD OF THE RINGS movie.  I respect Keith Morgan who’s nery knowledgeable on the law.

  • bafrank

    I saw it pointed out, appropriately, when an anti-2nd Amendment fanatic said ,”When the Constitution was written the weapons were muskets,” was countered with “And marriage was between a man and a woman!”
     
    I love the stupidity of the remark in the interview paraphrased “you want everyone to have nukes?”  Self defense firearms is what the conversation was about. Firearms similarly equivalent to those light arms  used by the military *IS* appropriate.
     
    Cary, I am sure, would be surprised to know that Americans can legally own field canons and fully automatic firearms. All it requires is a $200 federal registration fee, and a lot of money to pay for the item. Actually, the field canons may not require the fee!

  • Inspiri

    We should re-establish the practice of identifying disloyalty, subversion, and treason in citizenry. we must restrict dissent or political criticism to presere our republic. i fear communist influence on American institutions. The Muslim mullahs must be behind this!!

    • bafrank

      @Inspiri We must NOT restrict dissent! We just need to make sure that all voices are heard!

      • Inspiri

        @bafrank. Why not? This is an illegitimate president, who hides his Muslim leanings, trying to hire Muslims to lead our spy agency to carry out his secret plot to disarm citizens. We are at war! Join the revolution. I say, if you believe in something, then be ready to fight or it.

        • bafrank

          @Inspiri Ever heard the phrase, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.” Problem right now is that opposition points of view are not being heard. Opposing points of view are being suppressed by the White House and Obama’s sycophant press.

  • Badshot46

    Without the 2nd Amendment the Constitution will fall. I hate it that we give these people a soap box to stand on.
    It obvious that some of these reporters have never read the Constitution, let alone the 2nd. I’m at the point I don’t most can read.
     
    It’s no wonder I haven’t bought a paper in 20 years, nor do I listen to ABC, CBS or NBC, screw the sports this is more important.  It funny when we go socialist, those $million+ player and Actors will cease to exist, they will be playing and acting for the state. .
     
    I wonder that these bed wetting liberals will think with the gov’t shuts their mouths and and they have no recourse.
     
    I agree we must stand together. We must take our fight to every bit of gov’t we have, from city councils to Governorships.  Our States must support States Rights, like some have done to override federal mandates.
     
    If you come for my guns, you’d better bring yours, you’re going to need them.

  • haditinsd

    If the purpose of the second amendment was so citizens could defend against a tyranical government it only makes sense there can be no limit on what kind of arms those citizens can have. You don’t disarm because the enemy asks you to, unless of course you are Barrack Obama dealing with the Russians and Muslim Brotherhood.

  • ybelin

    This would never come to pass (the gun question) if we had paid more attention to our election system.  The system has been corrupted and controlled with the result of four more years of this illegal alien Kenyan to bang the drum of hate and anti constitutional behavior.   This election was “stolen” but no one on the Republican side seems to care, why?  Those SCYTL machines should not be used ever again.

    • npc317

      Why?  Because the two partys have the same bosses.

  • Jr1776

    FREEDOM !

  • JohnFellie

    One thing to REMEMBER folks,If YOU Give up your Second Amendment Rights and turn in you ONLY protection against This Out of Control Government. YOU Then Deserve the kind of treatment this Out of Control Government is GOING TO give YOU and it isn’t going to be what you want or expect . YOU WILL BE A SLAVE to What Ever This Out of Control Government Wants to do to YOU and Your Family and because YOU Gave up YOUR Second Amendment Rights YOU won’t be able to do one damn thing to stop them.Think Long and Hard before you turn in your GUNS.

    • Patriot 5

      @JohnFellie Your totally right John, all through past history, when citizens have allowed their governments to tyrannize them by giving up their guns and means of defense, soon or later millions died and already this tyrannical corrupt gov of ours has FEMA death camps!! 
       
      No self respecting Citizen, whatever position they might be in, would attempt to tyrannize any other Citizen except to attempt to prove how superior they are and the is the MARK of Tyrants & Bullies !!  It’s all to boost their inferior feeling egos and why they base everything on emotion rather than logic.
       
      It seems I read that Liberalism is an illness and it sure seems to be that way.

  • Inspiri

    Freedom !! We ought to lobby congress now to preempt any move to effectively abolish 2nd amendment. They could try to impeach Obama or better stage an overthrow of this tyrannical leader.

  • Sodbust

    The gap I see growing between the level headed right,, and the rainbow smelling,, dreamers on the left has gotten too wide to ever pull back together again by just talking about it… It will take a total crash of our system,, and our world for them to wake the f–k up and “SEE” what we have been trying to say for the past 30 years.. The world with its dangers are real. and we cant fix them all but just have to deal with them as they come along.
     The liberals constant need to fix us, our earth,, our air,, our truck tires,, our kids is what wares me thin.. I look at myself every day and darn happy who I am and what I stand for and I sure don’t have time or the right to try and fix everyone else and there world around me..  Like Ted Nugent told Morgan,,  LEAVE US ALONE,,, and go after the sick people as its not the guns that do harm.
     
    Sodbust

  • truthbeknown

    You cant argue with idiots.  There heads are to hard to allow common sense in.  If they cant control it they want to destroy it.  But suprise for them they are going to run into a brick wall.. and they are riding on a bike with no helmet.

  • JeffHaman

    When one becomes a man(mature) he puts away childish things(actions),FACT/TRUTH! The peter pan Left never grew up! FACT!

    • npc317

      Right on.

  • tazz89103

    This is true, Plus our founding fathers gave this to us so we would be able to fight with or close to what was being used at us, But the left dont like it.

    • Patriot 5

      @tazz89103 That’s very correct, they what the superior position, so NO One can stand up to them.
       
      They are so insecure, in most cases, of their own ability to handle guns or weapons properly that they feel highly terrified to think that anybody else should have them or abilities they don’t possess.
      If they don’t trust themselves they can’t trust anyone else!

  • Patriot 5

    Isn’t it interesting, the parallel between Liberalism and Islam?  It’s, ‘Their Way or No Way’!

    • DrEvil

      @Patriot 5 I wonder what it will be like when they finally face to face disagree on something (which is most everything)

  • EdieB5

    I would like to suggest that all patriots interested in the 2nd Amendment go to http://www.dayofresistance.com and read about the Rally that will be held all over the U.S. on Saturday, Feb. 23rd from 1 to 3 p.m. As of yesterday more than 50,000 were going to one of the 70 Rally’s to be held, with their State Senators and Congressmen as speakers as well as others. I know it is late, but the Day of Resistance PAC needs donations to get TV ads up about times and places. When I checked they still had only 1/3 of the amount needed to get the hundreds of thousands of protestors of the political gun grabbers and those who want to shred our Constitution. Please clean on the site above and read it, then click on the list of Rally sites and times to find the one closest to you. Then please donate what you can to get this protest on TV to add to attendees and to show the politicians that “We are Mad, and We are Not Going to Take It Anymore”!

    • Patriot 5

      @EdieB5 That’s very good too Edie, the more we all connect within our locals the better we will be.  It’s long overdue to clean house and the WH is very filthy!

    • SNAKEDOCTOR

      @EdieB5
       Please start Petitions all over your state at local Gun Shops and send them to your Senators & Congressmen and DEMAND they honor the Oath they took for office and protect your 2nd Amendment right to Keep ans Bear Arms.  I promise this works, I have been flooding Senator Kay Hagen’s office in Washington with Petitions and I call to see if they receive them. Each signature will count as 100. It’s because each citizen tells others and it spreads like wild fire and they know this. All these minions in Washington work for us. We voted them into office and we can vote them out of office.

  • Rabelrouser

    The narative presented aganist firearms is a propagandist dream. It keeps the arguments and comments flowing and creates a “buzz” amoung the citizens, basically an “entertainment factor” of sorts. This keeps the citizens focused on that narrative, and not much more. It is the classic “watch the left hand while the right hand is doing something”  gimick. Sure people are going to comment their disgust with the narrative, and offer “solutions” that are nothing more than frustration overload; but the action needed to implement will not actually occur.
    Then there are those who see the narrative for what it is, psych ops. Those who see through the smoke and mirrors of the narrative and understand that the intention is being glossed over by the narrative’s dynamic. Those are the citizens who realize that the intent will be accomplished reagrdless of citizem opposition, that the elected monarchy’s plans will be implemeted by whatever means nessacary.
    Those are the ones who are making the preparations to be ready when the intent is implemented; in this particular case, when firearms are confinscated by force, or by a simple trade for food and water. Remember, an empty stomach makes for a willing slave, and what better way to disarm people other than economically collapsing the structure of everyday life and then allowing the citizens to demand food and water, when there is none to be had on the shelves they will willingly trade their protection / self defense for the ability to survive.
    Have you considered that probable senario?
    Well there are those who have and wont get wrapped up in the discussion and the banter because they don’t want to go crawling to the all powerful government just to eat today. They better spend their time putting themselves in a position to avoid that, and to be able to protect and defend. They realize that there is a mental game that is being played and will not fall into its trap.
    So there is a thought for your consideration. Something to ponder between the posts.
    Ask yourself, how is my time better spent, just commenting, or preparing for what I know deep inside will happen?
    http://Modernmilitiamovement.com
    http://Wramsite.com

    • Patriot 5

      @Rabelrouser Good post RR,  it is very important that Patriotic Citizens [PC] who love Our Great Nation realize the need to join forces within your own locals so we can each come to one anothers aide when and if the time comes which it seems it will.
       
      The main thing is how long are we the PC’s going to allow a Usurping Illegal Alien Radical Muslim Terrorist Sleeper to attempt to control us??
       
      The PC gun owners of this nation are at least 100,000,000+ [ That’s 100+ Million] strong and all we need to do is unite, even loosely as far as locals, and we can defeat any foe as long as we are well armed and fairly proficent in the use of our weapons as well as maintaining substantial cover to protect ourselves as best possible.  Don’t make yourself an easy target if can be helped at all!
       
      Thanks for posting the links you did.  Kudos!!

    • bafrank

      @Rabelrouser Hide you bug-out supplies well. Don’t even tell your neighbors you have them unless you know he/they are of like mind and have their own. . .and the ability to defend them and your 6 when you both need it!

  • EdieB5

    To Rabelrouser, I don’t deny that Obama is an expert at keeping the people watching the right hand while his left is signing more Executive Orders, but if as many patriots as possible click on http://www.DayofResistance and are willing to attend one of the more than 70 protest rallys to be held all over the country on Saturday, Feb. 23rd from 1 to 3 p.m., so that we can get hundreds of thousands of protestors standing up for the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, we may be able to stop them!  I hope that all of you who read about these rallies will also email all your friends who live close to one of the locations and ask them to attend too.  I would also like to invite you to donate anywhere from $10 to whatever you can afford to the site so that they can put up TV ads as well, since time is so short for alerting patriots about this way of Standing Up for your country and stopping the corrupt politicians who want to destroy our Constitution

    • char51

      @EdieB5
       i agree with you. i keep telling everyone that homeland sec. is buying up ammo faster then the stores can get some. at this point ive hear its around 3trillion and they have gotten 7000+ ar15. we need to protect our self from whats coming. obama will be a dictator befor long. get ready couse  hell is coming.

      • RobertMyles

        @char51  @EdieB5 DHS is up over 3 billion rounds, which is more than enough to shoot every amwrican 5 times and the ammo keeps coming all hollow point which is banned from war use. the ar 15’s are M16A2’s which have the selective fire to full auto. Yes they are planning to have a major uprising even if they have to make the first move, which they will

        • stormtrooper1991

          @RobertMyles  @char51  @EdieB5
           “even if they have to make the first move, which they will .”  It will be,   their last !

      • SNAKEDOCTOR

        @char51  @EdieB5
         Ammo manufactors should not contract with the Goveenment. Supply the citizens first.

        • Gary M

          @SNAKEDOCTOR  @char51  @EdieB5 In fact, places like “Cheaper-Than-Dirt” are announcing that they will not deal with any agencies, state or federal on items (guns, ammo, etc) that are at the same time denied to citizens of that state. Let’s encourage other dealers to do the same.There are more ways to skin a rat  than might seem at first glance. This is true power to the people.

    • JohnFellie

      @EdieB5 Attendance is surly needed Nation wide.These political hacks need to understand that their Treasonous actions will have consequences.

      • SNAKEDOCTOR

        @JohnFellie  @EdieB5
         Amen to that!

  • cherokee_warrior

    I keep wondering if any of these extreme liberals could actually pass a competency test.  Most are completely irrational.  Many actually come across as if they should, because of the possible danger to themselves, be institutionalized.
    Ummm, wondering if electro shock treatments could cure them of this terrible malady of Liberalism?

    • tigdupre

      @cherokee_warrior Electro-shock treatments might not work.  There have to be brains present for the therapy to take effect.  I recommend instead an injection of copper-coated lead oxide at 2,800 feet per second.  It generally works first time!

      • JohnFellie

        @tigdupre  @cherokee_warrior Good one and it works too.

  • TomThygesen

    To liberals, to be “open-minded” is to accept anything and everything leftist ideology places before you.  You can’t debate it.  You have no right to question it.  You must simply accept and internalize their positions until they’re your own.  Anything less is blasphemy in their ‘religion’ of political correctness.  Liberals are THE MOST CLOSE MINDED people I have ever had the displeasure to meet, and I’m surrounded by them here in the DC Metro area.

    • Orrie461

      @TomThygesen
       I hear ya! Come to my neighborhood in New Jersey. I’m surrounded by them!

  • MeirKahane

    I don’t know why anyone would even want to talk to any of these communists anymore, let alone listen to someone debate them. The only “talking” with them should be done through the barrel of a gun.

  • DaveP326

    Liberals are only open-minded and tolerant of opinions that are in line with their own. Meir Kahane (haha) is right. There is no purpose in talking to them. WE are wrong……..even when we’re right.

  • JJM123

    What recent violent acts here in the US have involved fully automatic firearms?? Unless I missed something, both are wrong on that point.
    Yes, any weapon capable of protecting and defending ourselves, our state and our nation are meant to be held by the Patriots of the US. The question of a nuclear bomb is rediculous but yes, if it could be used by a Patriot without death to millions of innocents and contamination of homeland then it would be acceptable.

  • npc317

    I don’t know why all the talk and dicussion about gun controll.  We have the 2nd amendment and that says it all.  Those that are opposed to the constitution and the amendments should move to Europe or elsewhere.    They don’t really belong here and their parents or grandparents probably didn’t either.  You see those are the people that used to hear that the streets in American are made of gold.    When they came over and found out the gold was not free and they had to work for it, well, they became left wing liberals.  They decided they were going to transform America into Europe where the government would protect them and take care of them.   The nanny state was born.

  • Casmige

    What a Utter Buffoon & pseudo intellectual that crap reporter & interviewer is.
    A Pile of Dung that’s been flung out of the halls of Columbia & America’s finest Ivy League dolt-Universities.
    Such idiots simply refuse to observe that any “Rights” given to Police & Gov’t are obtained at the behest & privilege of “We the People” who, although we give a right to others, still retain those rights to excercise & vigorously defend against despotic encroachment there of by little nimrod twits like Cary or those who insanely believe that Police & Military (A creation of “We the People”) have more Privileges of Precedence known as Prerogatives.
     
    It’s like the utter hubris of my Son or Daughter to whom I grant the “right” to operate & drive my vehicle coming back to me & liberally asserting ownership of the vehicle just because I gave them the right to operate & drive it.
     
    Idiotes avec merde substantielle pour les Cerveaux….

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofnEGA5_82Q Shurlock Holmes

    Paradox: The only way you really know if you need the second amendment is when someone tries to take it, then you know for sure you need it to protect yourself from those who would take it.
    This book explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofnEGA5_82Q

  • trumantheherbalist

    Very simply put; Historically politicians have shown that they too easily  become tyrants that are are not to be trusted without strict accountability and not even then. They have been unaccountable so long as to have sold off every thing they can. We are sold now as slaves to the New World Oder. We are so weak now, that they plan to just put us in concentration camps for going against there rule. They are systematically  destroying every moral fiber that holds us together.  This is the beginning of the end. Impeach Obama and follow the money trail and put them all out of their evil business. We have been very foolish. Shall we stand up or lay down ? So far it has been  — lay down.

  • Orrie461

    We are not giving up anything to appease these gun grabbers! This is about confiscation and control over the people and if we let them deny us our right to defend ourselves as we see fit our freedoms are lost. I will not become a slave to their globalist plan to rule the world. If we don’t stop them now we’ll be wishing we did later!

  • BarackHussein

    There is no compromise in communism… nor success.
    Why do you think that Russia is moving away from it?

    • npc317

      Putin himself said it took them over 70 years to climb out from under  commumism,

  • 82policespecial

    Yup , looks like all them liberal ignorant – closed minded – morons who spout the communist mantra.
    – He doesn’t understand – ??. Well it was pretty well just described to him if you ask me lol.  It’s not – my – fault  this moron like – most – in the media has their closed minded – blinders – ,, on .  :)

  • TomWalter

    MOLON LABE III% Oath Keeper, Come & Try To Take”m C*ck Suckers, Dare Ya.

  • Inspiri

    Obama’s henchmen like jon stewart is using mind control as thier psych-ops to convince liberals to abolish 2nd amendment. Fox News is the truth, the way, the light on liberals. God is on our side. Liberals are guided by the communists, fascists, Marxists …mullahs. Wait, which one is it again? I keep getting it confused.

  • Rabelrouser

    Heres a video clip for you:
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmfm3ZY1Xo

  • Rabelrouser

    When american citizens took up arms against tyranny in America 1946, Battle of Athens Tenn.
     
    <iframe width=”420″ height=”315″ src=”http://www.youtube.com/embed/U5ut6yPrObw” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen></iframe>

  • AZDon

    Once again this is a demonstration of the fact that it is impossible to reason with an unreasonable person.  Many, or perhaps more accurately most, of the old time Democrats I knew were gun owners and not progressive, just as were the conservatives both Republicans and Independents.  However, when progressivism was openly declared by Hillary Clinton during the presidential debates in 2008, and later when John McCain declared he most admired the person credited with starting progressivism in America, Teddy Roosevelt,  progressives came out of hiding.  Not all Democrats are progressives and in my opinion progressivism is communism in disguise.  When communist were being exposed by congress they became progressives.  At that time a more acceptable term.   Every nation that has ever been taken over by a tyrannical government such as socialistic communism, marxism or fascism was, to some degree,  progressive and first confiscated the guns from the citizens.  After taking the weapons out of the hands of the citizens the land was confiscated and the helpless citizens murdered in many different ways.  If you have not yet seen innocence betrayed I suggest you go here and watch this very accurate precise documentary. 
     
    http://libertycrier.com/front-page/innocents-betrayed-genocide-by-gun-control-true-history-of-gun-confiscation/
     
    Even many of those who had supported Hitler’s rise to power were later murdered by his henchmen (Brown shirts and SS troops).  These types of things happen everywhere tyranny raises its ugly head.  In each case the majority of the citizens did not see it coming.  No one ever wants to admit “their” government would do such a thing.  However, they will and so will this one if they are successful at the confiscation of the means of the citizens defending their self against tyrannical government.   We must never succumb to a tyrannical government and give up our weapons. If we do not only are we dead so is this nation.

  • Frank Conover

    short and sweet. OBAMA SUCKS

    • AZDon

      @Frank Conover
       
      You may be right both literally and figuratively.

  • Evermyrtle

    i wonder if one of these sub-humans had a loaded gun pointed between his eyes, if he might change his mind and hope that there is somebody behind him with a gun ready to use it for his protection. Reality is an excellent teacher, an experience like this can change one’s  mind for life. If there is anyone who doubts it, try it sometime, if you can get away with it, which you may not be able to do. Only the crooks can get away sit such behavior.

    • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

      Pierre77L@EVERMYRTL The Sub-humans were originally attributed to Eastern European people who’s appearance look Slavic and they’re way of thinking is out of whack, mind of a troll from outer space. Like Gom of the The Lord of the Rings movie. Remember the words he said” Oh my Precious ! My dear Precious !” heh-heh-heh.

  • Bill Weston

    The evident hope of the likes of Bray Carey is if a lie is repeated often enough and loud enough people will gradually forget the truth and incrementally accept the lie. This tactic worked in countries such as Russia and China where the people only know tyranny and they don’t care what flavor it is. Countries such as England and ours where liberty, and justice with its blessings are enjoyed are less likely to accept the lies. That is probably the reason that Carey was reduced to “temper tantrums” on the show as described in this post. I wish I’d seen it. Kieth Morgan is only guilty of having limited patience. Perhaps Morgan is setting an example for those of us who are like-minded. Speaking the truth in the face of mindless criticizem will still overcome lies. Failure to speak is the only way lies can succeed.

  • Inspiri

    My friend and neighbor is in law enforcement. Our kids are in scouts together, little league and school. We share service on Sundays and believe in second amnendment. This has opened my eyes to what he really stands for. He must be a communist, wearing the red band of Marxism. He’s part of the enemy. I’m going to keep my eye on him. When will the first shot of second revolution happen?

    • Bill Weston

      @Inspiri There is still hope that the principles of liberty and justice can be restored via the public forum. Still, please keep praying and keep a good supply of ammo. We’ll know when the time is right if we need it.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Inspiri Well, you know Inspiri, he may be badly “brainwashed!’ I understand simple minded people are easily brainwashed, so that is possibly the case here>

  • Vonov

    What many people are forgetting, (conveniently so in some cases) is that when the Bill of Rights was written, semi automatic firearms had not yet been invented.  There WAS no appreciable difference between military-grade firearms and so-called sporting firearms.  That fact alone indicates to me that the Founders and Framers specifically had in mind weapons that were on par with the military arms of the time, and no doubt expected that the citizens would be able to keep and purchase firearms of similar power and capabilities as technology advanced. To believe anything else is disingenuous. The Framers of the Constitution intended that the people of the United States should be able to keep, by force of arms if necessary, the power granted them by that document.
    (Look up how the Magna Carta came to be.)

    • ErSwnn

      The basic idea, as mentioned in the Federalist Papers (specifically #46), is that the citizens out gun and out number a standing army.  It also holds that a standing army should be small and militia are to be called up in a time of need.  Those militias are subordinate to STATE control, though that command can be directed by federal need and/or strategies.  But in essense, We The People should be better equiped than our military should we so choose to be.  Like any right, the right can be waived or ignored at will by the individual, i.e. I choose to be armed, others may choose to not be armed.
       
      And to be clear, no where does it say we can’t own an F16 or an M1A Abrams.  No law states those as illegal.  But the contracts for production are exclusive and therefore we can’t purchase them.

      • npc317

        Thats true.  Also government knows the citizens could never afford to purchase such weapons.  The only way citizens could obtain such is if they were donated by other nations like the French did when we fought the Brits.  Since the federal government is hated not just by americans but the world as a whole, that might not be a problem.  Geees, I hope things don’t go that far.

        • AZDon

          @npc317
           
          I also hope and pray this crises does not go that far.  However, if this government pushes this it will come to that.  We must not under any circumstances give up our guns, if we do both we and this nation are dead!  The only chance we have of surviving is keeping our guns.  If that were not true they, the government, would not want to confiscate them.  Be suspicions very suspicious of government. 
          At the first sign of confiscation we must hide or bury them along with the ammunition.  Make plans now when it starts it will be to late.

    • edodaniel

      @Vonov Yes, the founders who had just fought a war for independence definitely had in mind arms equivalent to those of a soldier whether foreign or domestic.
       
      Tench Coxe of Pennsylvania couldn’t have been more clear and his statement indicates that they anticipated technological advances – “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” — The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
       
      He also said – “As the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” — Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
       
      Noah Webster, of Pennsylvania: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power.” — An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787
       
      The debate should not be about gun control but about where the government derives any authority to infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms.  The Government’s authority to do such was specifically DENIED by the Second Amendment.

      • Vonov

        @edodaniel Well spoken, Mr O’Daniel, and thank you for expounding and further articulating my point.

  • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

    Pierre77L@Inspr Remember the movie ” Canadian Bacon” and ” Wag the Dog” these are how hollywood manipulate people’s mind. A book which is out of print has very good information ” How Communism Seduced the American Film Industry in the 30’s and 40’s” -Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley. And JBS.org(John Birch Society) and the magazine http://www.thenewamerican.com/topics will give you alot of info, so it won’t be confusing. It’s founded in 1958, and a leader regarding the conspiracy that’s plaguing this country.

  • jsmythe

    Did I watch the same video.  Keith Morgan more than held his ground.   Kicked the liberal’s butt, actually……..

  • jsmythe

    Did I watch the same video?  Seems Like Keith Morgan more than held his own………kicked the lib’s butt, atually…..

  • RogerMeyer

    Typical Democrat Donkey braying out the party line.

  • MarkGordonFrederick

    If you haven’t figured it out yet the DHS is buying millions upon millions of rounds of ammunition for Obummer’s brown boot Army just like Hitler did. They are looking for people to join the DHS that will fire on innocent civilians like they are telling the Military Commanders to do. I found out that ALL commanders are being interviewed and if they say they can’t fire on U.S. civilians they are being ushered out of the military. Some local police and sheriff departments are asking people if they will join to help them defend against these so called government employee’s. Why do you idiots not see why Obummer is passing all of these executive orders giving him the rights GRANTED UNDER MARSHAL LAW. He can take over all oil and gas stations, news agencies, Television and Radio Stations, police and fire departments and just about everything else. The Police have been receiving armored cars as well. The Social Security Department has ordered millions of rounds for their special agents and once Marshall Law is declared all government agencies will fall under Obummer and his Masses. You don’t have a clue as to what power Obummer has taken over with his executive orders. You don’t have to believe me, just sit back with the rest of the idiots and be run over.

    • npc317

      Oh yes, I do believe what you are saying.  I have been watching these things develope for quit some time now.  For those that don’t believe, all you have to do is look at. world history.  Through out world history civilizations have lasted only 200 to 250 years. Then comes a big upheavely.   Cause is the decline of morals, the warefare state and excessive government.  Well were there and we are not going to like what takes place.

      • mcattack

        @npc317 you are so right the bible says it will be worse ever time on earth,we all have be come to wicked we must turn .

  • v steve

    Liberals are communist.

  • TomThygesen

    For those writing herein that you plan to bury your weapons and ammo and other such things suggesting resistance, remember, that same big brother government is probably monitoring and noting this all right now, illegally!

    • Bill Weston

      So??? The federal government rules at the sufferance (no pun intended) of the people. So do state and local governments. Consequently, the legislators should be made aware of the desires of the people and the bueracracy required to follow legitimate orders. If the government thinks that the people can be intimidated, they will attempt it. The hope of the people is that the gun issue along with other issues can be resolved by the democratic procees rather than violence and intimidation. If that fails, then our liberty will be maintained by whatever means available to the people.

  • Frank Conover

    The gun grab is right out of the Marxist playbook to turn people into sheeple. I am dying a free man not a slave in Obamas land of freaks and leberal low life scum bags. I will see some of you on the battlefield. The rest of you will be Obamas sheeples.

    • JohnFellie

      @Frank Conover I and many friends that feel the same way.If their really stupid enough to try and come for our guns it is going to get very UGLY. I guess  these political hacks don’t  think there will be consequences for their Treasonous actions,but they couldn’t be more wrong.

  • wvbh17

    @JohnFellie  I am all for what you said but I am afraid, at least so far, that most of the ones I’ve read are kinda’ figuring they are going to have to go this alone. Like when a federal agent is alreaady at the door. I wrote earlier about how I contacted the Sheriff in my county in West Virginia and if your sheriffs are on our side then you need to sign on to help him hel p us. there are many sheeriffs who have already sent in warnings to the goverment avowing to not allow them in their counties. A lot of people have no idea that the sheriff is the ultimate law in the county that he was elected sheriff for. The sheriff has a lot of powers that most people don’t know about. The most important one for right now is that he can tell the FBi the CIA any federal agencies to not come into his county if they have plans to disarm the citizens he has sworn to protect. Unlike the state police or the local police he has sworn to protect his constituent not to enforce unconstitutional  laws. If you have a good sheriff he’s the guy to get on our side now and not wait until the jack boots are at the door…..   Thanks for the opportunity to have my say.    Bud

  • gas pump junkie

    Didn’t know the host was so anti-gun or was he just playing Devil’s Advocate?  Hope it was the latter?  We need supporters of the United States and West Virginia Constitutions in these critical positions not lock-step Liberals.

  • reconjoe8tet68

    @chadsdaddy Nice post

    • chadsdaddy

      @reconjoe8tet68 Thx_
      “REVELATION”_Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden http://t.co/z5ZwgbXx … via @Truththeorycom

  • fortificacion999

    If you must give up your guns, then you should consider moving to another country.  When the government has all the guns, then they can impose whatever they want on YOU.

    • Evermyrtle

      @fortificacion999 That is exactly what they have in mind, owning us and ruling us, telling us when to squat and to shut up, to listen and to obey.

      • fortificacion999

        @Evermyrtle it is better than die on your feet than live on your knees.    Or you can do like I did and leave the country.  I just sold everything and now am a permanent tourist  with no country at all.  I am in Panama and applying for residency

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle Ilikely would beone t=fo the first to be murdered because I do not get on my knees for anyone but GOD. I refuse “to be cowed” by any anti-GOD, anti-American and they could never tolerate that. Perhaps they would likely have an urge to torture my but I believe GOD would give me all that I need to stand to the end for HIM.

        • fortificacion999

          @Evermyrtle “My God is able. ‘  Daniel is the book in the bible where the three men were thrown into the furnace because they would not worship the King’s new idol.  The walked out without a burn because they have faith.  Whatever happens, I fear that Christians will be persecuted as in times of old.  Please pray that we will be spared as the three men in Daniel.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle I am convinced that there will be much persecution and it is going on right now in Communist Arab nations. His people are being killed every day I do pray we will be spread and pray also that if HE does not see fit to spare us that we will be able to bare all HE allows to happen to us.  There is many recordings in the NT about how the world will be in the end days. I do pray and ask HIM that He will “Come Quickly” and we will be spared.

        • RobertMyles

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle
           Running from a fight is not in my blood. That moving to Panama will only hasten your subjucation by the NWO as they will and do have records of any and all citizenship/residency applications.

        • fortificacion999

          @RobertMyles  @Evermyrtle Well, I am not going to get microchipped this year, I am not having foreign troops raid my home to remove me or my guns, I am not going to sit in fear because people are wondering the streets looking to steal their next meal.  All of that is what you may be in for this year.  I figure they will require Exit visas from the USA next.  Lots of people are arriving here in Panama now.  More in Costa Rica and other places.  I am too old to fight now.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RobertMyles  @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle My yes vote was not intended76

        • fortificacion999

          @Evermyrtle God bless you and keep you and your family.

        • SNAKEDOCTOR

          @fortificacion999  @RobertMyles  @Evermyrtle
           No Micro Chip here!  Satan & anyone giving this chip can rot in Hell. I will die first. Kicking & Screaming all the way. You are never too old to fight. Never ever give up.

  • Bill Weston

    To those advocating a move to another country: There is no country other than The U.S.A. that allows the degree of liberty that americans enjoy, even with the freedoms lost via compromise. That includes England, Australia, and New Zealand. You may leave if you choose, but I say “stand and fight, it’s worth the sacrifice”!

    • Evermyrtle

      @Bill Weston We had better enjoy it while we still can!!

      • Bill Weston

        @Evermyrtle I’ll still fight if I have too. My children and grandchildren deserve the blessings of liberty as we have. We just might win back our liberty, but even if we lose, we’ll still win. I’ve read the end of the BOOK.

        • SNAKEDOCTOR

          @Bill Weston  @Evermyrtle
           Revelations…….

        • Evermyrtle

          @Bill Weston  @Evermyrtle Me, too. I read the whole BOOK., the most revealing is at the end, wonderful surprises for Christians.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Bill Weston  @Evermyrtle I am fighting in every way that I know how t fight. I will continue as long as I breath. If my Daddy were still alive he would tell you tha, I never give up. t.

        • Bill Weston

          @Evermyrtle Yeah! I also think that non-believers will experience a few surprises as well, but they won’t like them.

      • SNAKEDOCTOR

        @Evermyrtle  @Bill Weston
         If you give up you are weak. This is how O’Zero got elected the first time and this time too. Patriots got lazy and did not get out and vote. So when I hear about people giving up, I no longer call them Patriots. They might as well stick both hands out and say CUFF ME I  GIVE UP. NO , not me. Never! It’s time to tell the left to stuff it. Do you have the guts to stand in Resistance? Many of my Navy Seal buddies will not back down.

        • Bill Weston

          @SNAKEDOCTOR  @Evermyrtle I’m with you. Just allow me a moment to thank you for your previous service.

        • silvernotes

          @SNAKEDOCTOR  @Evermyrtle  @Bill Weston

        • silvernotes

          @SNAKEDOCTOR  @Evermyrtle  @Bill Weston
           My sentiments too….and thank you for your service to our country.
           
          We just just have to figure out how to stay together as a group!

        • Gary M

          That’s an interesting comment! First thing the gov’t will do is take over the internet or “shut” it down. WE THE PEOPLE have to be ready with other forms of communication…

        • Evermyrtle

          @Gary M I think we can depend on the government taking complete control of the internet!!!

        • Gary M

          Evermyrtle:  you are correct…if we can’t communicate thru the internet, best we come up with an alternative…

        • silvernotes

          @Gary M
           Shortwave…know your locals or get one yourself!

        • SNAKEDOCTOR

          @Evermyrtle  @Gary M
           10 roger on that

        • SNAKEDOCTOR

          @silvernotes  @Gary M
           When the Poop hits the fan, You will not need a set of call letters…….remember that one. But learn everything you can from the locals..

        • JohnFellie

          @silvernotes  @Gary M I already have one and talk around the world every day.I have let people in every Country I talk to what is going on here,and I’m not the only ham that is talking.

        • npc317

          The internet is somewhat new.  We got along quit well before the internet was born.

    • fortificacion999

      @Bill Weston  I am concerned for my sons and grandchildren.  I left them behind. While people point to how free and safe Americans are, the Department of Homeland Security is ordering millions of rounds of ammunition and has portable coffins by the millions.  FEMA camps are real.  The government can now decide whether your doctor can treat you.  Very soon the money supply will be too much and will result in hyperinflation.  I am now in the Republic of Panama.  I feel safer here.  Thank you.

  • Gary M

    @Silvernotes  Ham radio is pretty old tech and I’m certain the gov’t has ways to jam transmissions.  Anything electronic and they will have counter measures…

  • wvbh17

    Please take note that this is a study by the Depatment of Justice’s research wing, the National Institute of Justice (eric holder’s own people) and they have concluded that so called “assault weapons” (read “self defense weapons”) are NOT a major contributor to gun crime.     Bud
    —————————————————————————————————————————————————–
    A study by the Department of Justice’s research wing, the National Institute of Justice, has the feds admitting that so-called “assault weapons” are not a major contributor to gun crime.
    The study also concluded those weapons are not a major factor in deaths caused by firearms, nor would an “assault weapons” ban be effective.“The existing stock of assault weapons is large, undercutting the effectiveness of bans with exemptions,” it said. “Therefore a complete elimination of assault weapons would not have a large impact on gun homicides.”
    The report finds no significant link between “assault weapons” and murders.“Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicides and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence,” the report said.
    The document, titled “Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies,” also sees no epidemic of mass shootings.“Fatalities from mass shootings (those with 4 or more victims in a particular place and time) account on average for 35 fatalities per year,” the report said.
    The report advises a more comprehensive approach.
    Read the story in “Shooting Back” The Right and Duty of Self-Defense,” about how a massacre was stopped by a man and his gun.“Policies that address the larger firearm homicide issue will have a far greater impact even if they do not address the particular issues of mass shootings,” the report said.
    The study also found a number of reasons why gun buybacks are ineffective as generally implemented: “1. The buybacks are too small to have an impact. 2. The guns turned in are at low risk of ever being used in a crime. 3. Replacement guns are easily acquired. Unless these three points are overcome, a gun buyback cannot be effective.”
    The report, by Greg Ridgeway, deputy director, said restricting large capacity magazines has a “great potential to reduce lethality,” but that would require a massive reduction in the supply.“In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail their availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession. An exemption for previously owned magazines would nearly eliminate any impact. The program would need to be coupled with an extensive buyback of existing large capacity magazines. With an exemption the impact of the restrictions would only be felt when the magazines degrade or when they no longer are compatible with guns in circulation. This would take decades to realize.”
    The report undermines most of the talking points by the Obama administration in its pursuit of more limits on guns, ammunition and accessories.The administration’s campaign was launched following the Newtown, Conn., massacre that killed 20 students and six adults.
    The report noted that a 2000 study by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms revealed that 47 percent of crime guns are obtained through a straw purchase, and another 26 percent are stolen.“These figures indicate informal transfers dominate the crime gun market. A perfect universal background check system can address the gun shows and might deter many unregulated private sellers. However this does not address the largest sources (straw purchase and theft), which would most likely become larger if background checks at gun shows and private sellers were addressed.”

    • Gary M

      Finally some honesty out of the DOJ!?  That won’t stop the liberal gun grabbers, however!

      • JeffHaman

        Thats old news to “the informed” of Us! The 95% Leftist media will not inform the other 290 million Citizens of that and All other Facts! Same thing happened in Nazi Germany where 100% of media was controlled! Ever noticed how many of the people don’t have a clue what you’re talking about,or say “that will never happen”? This happened to me prior to Bill Clinton’s election and the Brady bill being signed 20 years ago! Educate Your People/ “We The People” of The Facts the best You can,every day! CARRY ON!

  • Hawls

    You are correct, the purpose of the Second Amendment really was to allow citizens to be as well armed as the army.  However, therer is a real problem with that.  It means that you are allowed to have an AR15 or an AK, but you have absolutely no right to any ccw.  Strictly speaking, if you go by the true purpose of the Second Amndment, the government can pretty much ban any pistol – but not assault rifles. The founders wanted a system that is pretty much like the one the Swiss have.  In Switzerland just about all men are mebers of the organized militia. They possess assault rifles which the store in their homes.Only officers and certain types of troops (i.e. MPs) are allowed pistols.  In order to get a carry permit for a pistol you have to pass some relatively strict requirements, including a backround check.  This is EXACTLY the system the founders envisioned.

    • JeffHaman

      Thats false! They used the word “Arms” to cover everything “The People” could use for Defense,including muskets,rifles,pistols,swords,knives,cannon etc.! “Arms are Arms” period!

    • silvernotes

      @Hawls
      How did you come to this conclusion?

      • npc317

        How could one not come to that conclusion?

      • toppnotch64

        @silvernotes  Are you stoned?   How is it , there are still mushrooms like you, living in the land of the free?    Arms, means anything, from rocks, to missiles.   If our enemy uses it against us, we have a God given right, to similarly arm ourselves.
           If I had the cash, I would have an FA18and an Apache chopper in my armory.

  • npc317

    I disagree.  To be armed as well as the government military, who has revolvers & pistols, you also have that right.  There is nothing in the amendment that says anything about permits or CCW or any coments regarding the 2nd amendment by our founding fathers  Thats modern mans (?) doing.  Permits restrict the law abiding citizen.  The only people subject to permits should be criminals and tryrants, at least until the criminal proves himself.  The tryant should be executed.  The only ones restricted by gun laws are the taxpaying law abiding citizen.  You see,  criminals and tryants do not go by the law.  They can pass all the laws they want, they do nothing, never have and never will.  Washington knows this, but crime gives them an excuse to pass gun laws in hopes of reaching their agenda, confication.  They want to rule not serve.  You want proof, read world history.  It repeats itself, over and over.

  • toppnotch64

    The founders meant all arms. From pitchforks to pistols, muskets to cannons. Paul Revere’s ride, was to warn that the British were coming to take cannon, powder and small arms of all types..

  • fortificacion999

    When the guns are taken away, your freedom to speak freely, to worship, to travel, to do anything will be gone as well.  It is the final step in the communist takeover of America.  I hope you realize this.  I can’t fight any longer.  I left. it is up to the free and the brave to do what needs to be done to save America from communism.

    • Inspiri

      @fortificacion999
       Stay where you are!  We will call you when Obama is replaced by a woman liberal feminist.  It is going to be groovy!

      • Evermyrtle

        @Inspiri  What on earth are you  talking about.? Do you feel alright?

      • thepatriot

        There are women that would be a lot better than obama. They’re NOT liberals.
        They are governors or ex-governors.  obama is a communist.

        • fortificacion999

          @thepatriot Hillary is even more dangerous than Obama.  We know she is at least a socialist and she is smarter than Obama.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @thepatriot Hillary ain’t no angel but she cannot come close to Obama in evil, except she is an American against America.

        • npc317

          So is Hillary.

  • toppnotch64

    There are not a whole lot of trustworthy Republicans serving us these days, But there have never been, and never will be a good democrat.   These people serve “we the people” it is not otherwise.   We must do make certain that we get the republicans, who stayed home this last election, to get out and vote these scum out of our house.  
       I will never associate, with anyone who is a liberal/democrat again.   I despise them, and would rather they know, that should those they have elected, bring about revolution, I will happily rest my rifle on their useless carcasses, so that they will in death, provide me the protection, that they did not provide in life.   Molon Labe!!!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @toppnotch64 I dispise that anti-GOD, anti-America attitudes and actions. There is a reason for this folly and the Kenyan is behind it.

      • fortificacion999

        @Evermyrtle  @toppnotch64 Communism despises Christians and patriots.  They are simply one big issue away from completing the takeover of the country (Guns).  If they win on this one, the country will be unable to defend itself from the tyrant.

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle   They cannot field enough people to take the guns away from those who know our history, and are willing to put it on the line to protect our liberties.   This is going to get ugly, it will come to a “shot heard round the world” moment, when the Looters show up to confiscate the guns from the wrong house.    These people never, ever think of the ramifications until it is to late…         Molon Labe!!

        • fortificacion999

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle There will bullets coming from all sides in with no where to hide.  Retreat may not be an option either.

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999  @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle If you believe that freedom is not free, then I would hope retreat wouldn’t even enter your mind.    The problem with America, is that only one % of us actually serve in the military to protect those rights.   No one should be able to attempt to amend anything in the constitution, if that person has not served.   All students in America, upon graduation, should be inducted into the military.  Those found not capable, or useless in arms, should then be sent to work building roads, levies, dams, and an other infrastructure labor needs.   4 years minimum. No exceptions….

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle  @toppnotch64 One good thing about GOD IS THERE FOR HIS PEOPLE AND OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE  A CLUE, HOW GREAT OUR GOD IS.

      • Gary M

        It’s not only theKenyan…it’s George Soros, Sol Alinsky and nemerous others who desire a new world order where America is no longer strong, no longer the leader of the free world, but just another country…those folks imagine something like the UN taking over the rule of the world! Now there’s a laugh!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Gary M You are right about that  BUT the Kenyan is tho one who was supposed to take charge, and he did take charge and betrayed America to the utmost degree.

        • Gary M

          He could be a “leader” but he’s not and for two reasons. 1, he has “handlers” and 2. he’s not capable enough. You don’t need to be smart to get people irritated or to get folks to  “love” you.   He knows when and who’s buttons to push. He’s a charasmatic guy, no doubt, but does not know how to be a leader. A leader makes sense out of confusion. A leader finds ways to get people to come together. BHO has no interest in that, nor do the people pulling his strings. He’s “allowed” to be himself, because it’s his personality that suits these bigger players. He’s following a script but probably doesn’t know it. He is not a person of conviction. What totally amazes me is that people in his party, no doubt as patriotic as you or I, don’t see how inept he is. To think that the entire Democratic side of Congress is in on it is almost too scary to fathom. At least that’s how I see it.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Gary M Your posts reminds me of Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders: insomuch that,if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
           
          Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall arise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible the very elect.
           
          What am i saying? Who would have thought 10 years ago that we would be in this mess today, that our nation would ever have stooped to this level this soon.
           
          Oh yes I have seen pictures of Obama despicted as the crucified Christ hanging on a cross, “such an abomination!!!!”.

        • fortificacion999

          @Gary M The current president is a fraud.  His name is made up and not his along with all his records.  He is indeed a communist and that is his belief system.  With this in mind, you can make sense of why he insist on doing things that divide the country and destroy the economy.  it is because that is what he is there to do.

        • fortificacion999

          @Evermyrtle  @Gary M The Kenyan or whatever he is could not take charge because he is a coward and a bully but not a leader. He is not smart enough to pull it off.  He never went to Columbia university.  He dropped out of Occidental College failing.  If he actually went to Harvard, the grades were unimportant because the University was paid 20 million dollars to accept him there by an Arab sheik.  You can not get into Harvard with the kinds of grades he had.  it was simply bribery at its finest.  He never taught anything. That was a myth and a fraud just like he is.  He has never had a day in court as an attorney.  He can not and neither can his wife.  They are corrupt with a capital C.

        • Gary M

          @fortificacion999: If only that could be once and for all proven! But the real corruption is who was/is the mastermind? How could this get past so many? Are we to believe that Congress (both sides) were in on it? When Palin wanted to go after Obama and McCain said “NO”, was he also protecting something? I have read Soros’s idea of a New World Order as well as Alinsky and others, but how was this accomplished?  Was it just the Whiteman’s guilt about how the Blacks were treated, that no one  dared speak up?  Bottom line is we are in the thick of it and what can we do about it?

        • npc317

          Both parties have the same bosses.  Have you ever noticed the two canidates, one from each party picked to run for the presidency have similar views  New World Order was introduced by Bush senior.  I read sometime ago that when Bush ran as VP under Reagan, that Reagan did not except Bush because he was a member of the Bilderburger group, so Bush withdrew his membership, that is until he became president.  It was during this time that our involvement in world affairs took a big jump.  Then Bush junior came along.  Further involvement in world affaires, bailouts and unbelieveable debit.  Now we have Obama.  What is he doing?  It appears to me he is continuing the Bush policies.  Doubled the debit,  bailouts and handouts. more world involvement, what do we have 3 or 4 wars going that we know of?  Each one adds policy a little further.  Now its disarm the american citizen and trample the constitution.  Is this the final phase before the big take over?

        • Evermyrtle

          @npc317 Bush, Sr did a great part in the destruction of this country, made a good beginning for the president, so-called president.

        • thepatriot

          I totally agree.  I did not vote for either Bush OR obama. He is just continuing where the Bushes left off AND the IDIOTS in this country just keep putting the “trash” up there.  The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results.  They just RE-elected obama.

        • fortificacion999

          @Gary M Sometimes you have to look at the facts you can see with an open mind.  I see all this racial unrest promoted by the anointed one.  I see an elite few taking their money and investing in gold and buying into banks all over the world.  I see trillions of dollars in currency being printed which has always resulted in hyperinflation.  I see millions of people on government assistance that used to be struggling and working.  They now sit idle and play pool and drink beer.  I see nothing but hate for Christians and for Veterans and patriots who actually want to preserve the country as it was founded.  I see FEMA camps made up like prisons and millions of portable coffins purchased and billions of bullets bought for such agencies as the IRS and the FBI and the Dept of Agriculture and the Border Patrol.  I believe these facts over what others may presume to be true.  Many would rather ignore the facts and call anyone who mentions them racists.  I did take action.  I sold all I had and gave away the rest and left the country.  If that is racist, then there is no hope.  I believe in the power of the devil and there are evil people all around.  I pray each day and you should too.  Bad times are coming for the USA.  It has only just started.

        • Bill Weston

          Okay! What should we do about their agenda? We can roll over and play dead, or we can stand and fight. I propose the latter because I believe that the truth is behind us and their premises can’t stand in the face of it. Granted, we might lose the fight, but liberty, justice, and the the sacrifice of those that have gone before us is worthy of the effort.

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999  @Gary M To sell your possessions, then pack up and leave, is nothing other than a cowards play.   After the patriots of America take back our freedoms, with the volumes of blood and sacrifice, that it will surely take, I for one, will not welcome you home.   May posterity forget, that you were ever our countrymen, and may you turn to dust on the soil you now sit on, rather than this blessed soil you have abandoned.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Bill Weston Those who roll over is destroying America and Christian Faith just as much as the ones doing the actual dirt. What good are we doing GOD or America if we hide our faces and pretend that is no threat there, refuse to see the truth!

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle   Lets not forget, that George Bush the Elder, as well as his Son George W. each flew for the military.    The former, during WWII, was shot down and survived, to climb back in another bird, and kill more Japs.   George W. during the Vietnam war, state side, protecting our boarders from invasion, while our active guys were away.   He flew the most dangerous fighter plane of the time, and had to listen to a bunch of scumbags, who never served in the military, accuse him of getting a deferment.  All citizens of this nation, should be grabbed after graduation , and inducted into the military, so they have a sense, of the value of America, and those who wish her harm.    Easy to sit on your duff, and critique those who have…..

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64 At 83 I do sit on my duff a lot but my scream against evil can be heard. How do you think that to save America and then sell us out can justify it or,  is to our good. I can not say about Jr but Sr was whole heartily supportive the One World Union which means to take over America and rule according to Satan. We will be persecuted for proclaiming JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD AS OUR SAVIOR. Can you tell me anything that could possible be worse than that. That is the final action that will eventually bring JESUS CHRIST BACK TO CLAIM HIS OWN AND THE WORLD WILL BE DEALT WITH BY GOD, NOT THE ONE WORLD UNION, WHICH WILL VANISH, I BELIEVE.
           
          First of all I am a “CHILD OF GOD,” SECONDLY I AM AN “AMERICAN” AND I WILL FIGHT FOR BOTH. I PRAY TO MY GOD THAT i WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO DIE FOR BOTH IF i AM CALLED UPON TO DO THAT.

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle   I was wrong to chastise you, I too am a Catolic, and a child of God.   Evil cannot be overcome, by fleeing from it, and with Gabriel as my guardian, I do not fear satin, he will fear those of us who stand against him in the end, and the warmth of the sun will shine on our faces, when evil is put down….

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle I do not know if what I said lead you to believe that I am Catholic, but I am not Catholic, “I AM A CHILD OF GOD.”

        • cherokee_warrior

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle
           Well said,  everyone, male or female should serve in a branch of the military.
          When we still had the ‘draft’, Amish friends of mine, serverd their two years of active duty, some working at the VA Hospitals, Some reporting to Active duty, and taking Basic training, minus the rifle stuff, and then were aasigned to the
          Hospitals, bakery, or other non-fighting areas.

        • toppnotch64

          @cherokee_warrior That is what I meant, every single job is as important as fighting on the front line.
          Not everyone will be fit for combat, but for everyone to have a steak in the well being and function of freedom, is what will keep the light of liberty bright.

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle I never said you were Catholic, I am. You seem like a smart person, stick to the topic. At your age, I understand you cannot fight evil in the martial sense, what puzzles me, is what drives a person to give up the home, so many have died and bled to provide?

        • toppnotch64

          @cherokee_warrior That is what I meant, every single job is as important as fighting on the front line.
          Not everyone will be fit for combat, but for everyone to have a steak in the well being and function of freedom, is what will keep the light of liberty bright.

        • Gary M

          I certainly don’t know all your reasons for leaving the country and I know this will sound callous, but I don’t mean it to be…A person who complains about the results of an election and at the same time states they didn’t vote has little credibility with me. You left the country rather than “fight” for it’s future.  From wherever you are you are going to sit and watch and all the while you say  “Bad times are coming…” That disappoints me and lessens the importance of what you have to say.

        • Gary M

          @fortificacion999: I forgot to start my reply with @ so please look for my response  to your post somewhere’s in this slew of replies….

        • npc317

          @toppnotch64  @cherokee_warrior What do you mean everyone is not fit?  Us older guys  could be put in the frontlines.  That way we will see the enemy better and we would make good bullet stops, so the younger ones behind us can retreat.  Seriously, there will be no front lines, unless you want to lose.  I made a comment a few days ago about hit and run.  I received a reply from a fellow.  He asked if I had met the Viet Cong.  I think he read between my lines in my comment and seem to know exactly what I was talking about.  So I’m certain he has also  met the Viet Cong.  I think the best thing we can do, is pray that it doesn’t come to that.  If we could get the right people in office to re-enforce our constitution and live by it we would not have the problems we have today.  I kinow that may be asking a lot.  But, war should only be the last resort.  And, I can tell you this, if it should come to war, you are not going to like it.  Just bring a lot of depends with you because you will need them.

        • Gary M

          @Bill Weston:   I too will fight if it comes to that, but first , to be realistic  we must be better organized than we are. The Blogosphere is nice to vent with but expect the internet to be shut down by the gov’t should things get nasty… 2nd. we need people  who are already in gov’t to stand up and honor their Constitutional oath. Right now I trust very few in gov’t to do the right thing….Let’s hope and pray that a resolute populace will convince the gov’t to once again honor what our forefathers fought and died for. That’s why fighting for preservation of the 2nd amendment is so vital and that an armed populace is absolutely necessary.

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle Actually  I did not say that you thought I was a Catholic. but I did think that you may think that, which is not a big deal we are all sinners, even the very best of us, which I would never to be one of the best. The best of us cannot afford to talk about the rest of us. I do make some effort to keep that saying but at times I do fail.

        • toppnotch64

          @Gary M Thanks for the cool head, you said exactly what I was thinking. I have several acquaintances who bitch about this situation, but could not be bothered to get out and vote. When they speak, the venom I feel boiling inside me is unexplainable.

        • toppnotch64

          @Gary M you took the words right out of my mind.

        • Gary M

          @toppnotch64  @Gary
           Well I hope there’s still a lot going on in that mind! LOL. I may be selling fortificacion999 short, but I too am very annoyed by people who seem to speak with conviction but there is emptiness behind the words. Perhaps he/she is too old to “fight”, perhaps he left for reasons other than political or fear. Perhaps he/she will ultimately be proven to have made the right decision, but I find it hard to give any weight to what they have to say….It’s not so much anger, as you stated, but frustration and disappointment.  BTW are you  male or female? You don’t have to answer….

        • fortificacion999

          @Gary M  @toppnotch64  @Gary I am almost 66 with a very vulnerable wife.  I need to take care of her.   Without my spouse, all I would need is to take a 3hour flight to Miami and beyond and get a very good hunting rifle.  I am with you guys. Unlike many, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. I have been in combat and I know right from wrong.  There is no justice in the Justice department and it is past time for patriots to put up or shut up.

        • fortificacion999

          @toppnotch64  @Gary M I fought in Viet Nam.  I have given more than 25 years of government service.  I have paid a bunch and taxes and still do.  My last voyage I was working on a spy ship for your government.  i have done many things for my country.  I do not care to get myself killed and my spouse in a civil war where half of the population is for tyranny and don’t even know it.

        • Gary M

          @fortificacion999  @toppnotch64
           Well, like I said, I probably  didn’t know the full story. Now I do. Thank you for your service!

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999I never denigrated your military service, and I don’t recall Gary M having done so either.   First, I wish and pray, that your wife, gets better, and has the blessings of God, and 2ndly, I being former military, always have, and do now have every respect for those who serve, be it in combat or otherwise.   It is Uncle Sams choice where any service man or woman is tasked to go, and frankly, insulting, that anyone, including yourself, have any contempt at all, for anyone in the uniform of our nation, because time of fate places them in other than harms way.    
             There just might be a revolution coming, and just like 237 years ago, there were geezers like you, and virile young lads such as myself, who were content in their daily lives, and were fearful of dying.   Then as now, most knew that freedom was worth the fight, and this one, should it come to that, is more important, given the sacrifice in blood and wealth, that the deaths of our brothers and sisters over the last 237 years have paid in order that our liberty has been preserved.    I will happily stand right beside you, and fight, and be proud to know, that a proven warrior, can steady my resolve, should it waiver in any way.    Evil is in our government, at all levels, but most vile of all at the extreme top seat.   I hope that this can be eradicated peacefully, so that you can enjoy the years you have left in the comfort and peace you truly deserve, but if that is not the case, I hope you will stand strong, because my little nephews and nieces, need to be shown that our way of life is worth our lives to protect…

        • Gary M

          @toppnotch64  @fortificacion999
           Now I can say: “you took the words right out of my mind:”!  You stated it very well and I have already thanked forticacione999 for his service!  One can understand his anger for having scarificed for this country only to see such disrespect and outright disregard for our Constitution and the oaths we all took. My oath didn’t stop when I left the USAF. It is with me now and will be always. I don’t want to have to fight, because we ought to be able to resolve this peacefully, but if not, I am prepared. I just became a Grandfather and I’ll be damned if I’ll let my Grand Daughter grow up in a socialist do nothing country.

        • toppnotch64

          @Gary M Thank you for your service, I am proud to know, that there are people like you and @fortification999 out there.   It sometimes feels a bit lonely out here, especially in the womb of liberty, now the bastion of socialist scum Massachusetts.

        • Gary M

          @toppnotch64  @fortification999
           Well I’m just over the border to the West, but I wouildn’t suggest that you come to NY. We are fighting the unconstitutional NY Safe Act rammed thru by Cuomo stating that the reason he declared an emergency and removed 3 days of public comment was because he feared a run on guns…Duh, Gov. Cuomo from that  tragic day in Newtown, and the lefts’ politicising the tragedy people across the country have been running to gun stores to buy weapons, not because they feared once laws were passed to ban guns they would  be able to buy any but because they feel that our Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment was under attack. And folks, it most certainly is under attack by the progressive left who want to disarm America and impose a socialistic gov’t on us. WE are preparing to defend America! Perhps you should consider N.H.

        • toppnotch64

          @Gary M Actually, I live in NH. but sadly, it too has been over run by liberals from Massachusetts.   I joke with all my friends, that I now live in “Northern Massachusetts.    I am well armed, and have been sacrificing my target shooting, in order to save ammunition.   It is impossible to find 5.56 rounds for my AR, but I also have others as well, that are low on “food”.   I have been seeing many firearms manufacturers, coming to the aid of the citizens of any states, where the civilian population is prevented from purchasing items that are now, or will become banned items.   Most recently, LaRue Tactical, said they will no longer honor any orders forthcoming, by NY. government or Law enforcement, and have cancelled all orders to those entities, that were placed before Cuomo did this.   I have been calling and e-mailing all the companies that have not followed suit as yet, but more and more have been getting on board each week.    Colt, Smith & Wesson, and some of the larger manufacturers, are resisting, but there is a growing effort to boycott those companies, that are supplying these banned or to be banned items to law enforcement and not the citizens in those states and municipalities..   I think this will be a fight, that Obama will regret he ever started.  My entire family lives in Ma. so I am keeping an eye out there, but NH. is really going to be a tough place to try and ban these weapons.    I hope for the best for you and your family.   I will probably never meet you, but I will be steadied, knowing your out there.   Keep the faith brother, and protect those grand children, it is important that they know that there are those of us out there that will stand up for them.   I pray it will not come to it, but if it does, I say   Molon Labe……..

        • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

          @npc317 Don’t forget about Bill Clinton, he’ss also part of the deal.

        • fortificacion999

          @Gary M  @toppnotch64 In France in WWII, we dropped tiny one shot guns to give to the resistance.  They used them to kill Germans one at a time and take their weapons.  Then the resistance would use those weapons to do some real damage.

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999   @fortificacion999   Magpul industries, is now setting up a similar operation, to flood Colorado with high capacity magazines for AR’s and the like, prior to the forthcoming ban on these items in that state.   I am a student of history, and that one operation, may well have turned the tide on the war, at least as far as the French resistance was concerned.    Magpul Industries, has stated, that they will be leaving the state of Colorado, as soon as the ban is implemented, should it get that far.    It is a brilliant idea, and I plan on using everything I know about history, including the lessons we have learned from our enemies in Vietnam, and Afghanistan, to create an insurgence   here at home, against the domestic enemy we are sure to face…

  • fortificacion999

    For those who absolutely know that the communist takeover of the United States of America is in progress, this note is not to you.  For those of you who may support the current administration and hoping to get rewarded for your loyalty, I suggest that you read some history.   Those who supported Stalin and helped him in his taking power were slaughtered for they knew too much.  You see you are considered useful idiots.  Liberals will not be needed after the takeover is complete.  Liberals will complain when things don’t go their way.  They will never be happy.  So they will be murdered along with any of those who were for their opposition.  Something to consider when you are taking sides.

  • Frank Conover

    Those who believe in the current administration are all communist . I do not believe America will be taken over by them not yet, maybe somewere way down the line when all the good Americans are gone or to old to give a crap. Obama and his czars are sure trying like hell to turn our country into a communist country thats for sure. And what supprises me is the idiots that go along with this food stamp carnival barker president Obama bitch.

    • fortificacion999

      @Frank Conover   From all the rumors and factual stuff you can put all the puzzle pieces together, and it looks like when the economy tanks, the money supply is just too much, hyperinflation takes over, then it will happen for sure.  They need an excuse to go full martial law.

  • Evermyrtle

    Parents sacrifice to be able to send their children to school to get an education so that they can make a living for themselves when that time comes, to learn to get along with others people, to live peaceably, to make sensible decisions. We get a call from the school principle, our child is in trouble, what on earth has he done. HE MADE A DECISION AND THE LAW HAS BEEN CALLED AND THE CHILD IS IN JAIL. First thing I would do i think would be to pray, if I was able to think beyond my child being in trouble. “What could he have done? You go rushing to his side, with admonishment in mind, I will ring his scrawny neck!!” You get to him and hear the most astonishing report in your entire live. He is arrested and in jail for doing what any responsible human would have. He has helped wrestle a gun from someone who could have killed someone with that gun. Likely you will look around expecting the gun “toting person” in jail too. BUT DO YOU SEE THAT PERSON? AFTER ALL THIS IS AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE.” WHERE IS THE GUN TOTER?’ DO WE SEE HIM ANYWHERE??

  • toppnotch64

    Follow this link, if you are interested in the truth about our 2nd Amendment rights, which God alone has given not just Americans, but each man and woman on earth.   It is our American constitution and it is our duty, to know it, live by it, and die to protect if needed.   If you feel otherwise, go now, away from this place of liberty, and do not look back, for those of us who you turn your back on, will not allow your return after we have again bled to remain free…   http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/all-federal-gun-laws-are-unconstitutional/

  • fortificacion999

    In a few weeks the Senate will try to ratify a treaty that would negate the 2nd Amendment and make the United Nations in charge of the guns of the USA.  Then they will use foreign troops to go to your neighborhood and take the guns away by force.  The troops are already here in the USA.  They will all wear blue hats and be United Nations but they are the enemy.  When will people start shooting these troops?   I guess when they come at 3 am into their neighborhoods.

    • toppnotch64

      @fortificacion999 There is not a single “Blue helmet” with any backbone at all.   Just look at the lessons of Mogadishu, where there were overwhelming U.N. forces, that spent more time raping little girls, than preparing to kill the skinnies.    I doubt there are any, anywhere on U.S. soil, but if so, remember that they use NATO rounds in their weapons.  7.62 and 5.56, which you know are very hard to come by right now, due to the government hording these rounds to the tune of billions of each.   I suggest that in the event these foreign invaders do roll through your hood at 03:00, that you are armed and in ambush, and ready to liberate the “Blue Helmets”, from every round and weapon you can carry away from the slaughter.    I don’t think your fear mongering, is helping our fellows. Your preparedness for that eventuality will be of far better use…

      • fortificacion999

        @toppnotch64 It may come down to slipping up on one soldier, killing him, take his gun and ammo and anything else of use.  Arming another patriot so he can do the same.  Keep doing that until there are more armed than unarmed.

        • ErSwnn

          @fortificacion999 Um……are you picturing some random guy standing all alone, oblivious to his surroundings and completely unprepared to engage an enemy?  If so, think again.

        • fortificacion999

          @ErSwnn There are going to be people who would rather die on their feet than live on their knees.  Behind every blade of grass there should be patriot.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @toppnotch64 There are bad times coming as there has never been before in this world. WWIII is coming and HIS people had better get ready. HIS armor is listed in Ephesians 6.

        • ErSwnn

          On that we can agree, some of us are willing to die…and kill….for our principles.  Indeed behind every tree and blade should be an armed combatant against those who seek our enslavement.
           
          Me, I’m getting older, my time is getting shorter.  I won’t survive the coming storm.  But my kids will.  That is enough for me to know what my actions must be.
           
          Given that all rebellions are begun by a small group and are almost never supported by a majority (i.e. as active participants) I have strong belief of prevailing even if I don’t live to see it to the end.

        • ErSwnn

          Well I don’t know about the religious aspects of the battle…..to each their own…..but yes, what will equate to WW3 is approaching.

        • toppnotch64

          http://www.livefyre.com/profile/10727761/  All that talk, and you are in Panama?   Please, take a hike, we have no use at all, for some cowardly nit whit, who flees his country when the times are tough.   Stay where you are, and do not ever come back.   We do not want you…

        • fortificacion999

          toppnotch64  If I should come back, I would feel it necessary to make a difference.  I could without hesitation and without fear pull the trigger.  I am a very educated man.  If you were smart, you would consider fleeing the country yourself.  You can’t defeat armed troops with automatic weapons.  I am here to protect my wife from harm.

        • toppnotch64

          @http://www.livefyre.com/profile/10727761/  There will be no troops of American soldiers with automatic weapons coming down the road to do Obama’s bidding.   Any troops from any other country on our soil would be an act of war on the U.S. and would bring the full might of the American military upon the invaders.   As for not being able to defeat troops with automatic weapons, you are a defeatest, and I am glad you are gone.   All it takes to defeat a squad, is for a hail of well placed coordinated fire.   Then gather the dead mens weapons, and do it again. Over and over, untill they have been defeated in total.    Were it for your mentality during the Revolution, or any other war, we would not have become America.   Tell your spew, to the boys who fought the battle of the bulge..

        • fortificacion999

          toppnotch64   I am not a warrior.  I am old and tired.  I earned peace. The foreign troops are already in the USA in some of those FEMA camps and they are training.  You will be shooting at UN troops with blue hats. I don’t want to be in Panama.  I want to live in peace in the USA.  It will not be possible.

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64 Another nit wit?? How many of those things do you have. Is every body who doesn’t agree with you a nit wit??

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64  When did it get to be any of your business where anyone moved to? You are so good at calling others people nit wit, go look in a mirror., you will see the real thing.

        • Evermyrtle

          Who are the we you are talking in” we don’t want you…….? I certainly would welcome a warrior back as would any red blooded American.!!

        • Evermyrtle

          fortificacion999 toppnotch64 It would be so much better if you ignore this bitter old man. He is MEAN through and through, I don’t think he can help it.

        • npc317

          I agree, there would only be a few American soldiers trying to fullfill Obama’s agenda.  I remember reading a survey during the Clinton administration.  Its was either 93 or 97%  of American soldiers that said they would not fire on American citizens.  If thats the case today, then we know why Obama wants a civilian army.  However. It looks to me he already has it.  The last time I read there are about 350,000 homeland security people and that doesn’t include other various federal agencies.  Obama, has recently purchased 1.9 Billion rounds of hollow point ammo.  Now, anybody that knows guns, knows that you don’t use hollow points for target shooting.  What are they for?  Can’t use them in an international war.  I think he wants a revolution.  Thats what comunist do, they turn the people against each other.  Its called divide and conquer and its just history repeating itself.  Its been going on since the beginning of time.  And, the people fall for it everytime.

        • fortificacion999

          npc317 Part of the Obamacare bill was funding for an Obama national police force that reports only to the president.  There is billions set aside for it.  Hitler had his SS.  This is Hitler Jr.  My guess it will be a bunch of thugs from the Ghetto.

        • Evermyrtle

          fortificacion999 npc317 He almost has America where he wants her. I wonder what he will do with Harry Reid when he finishes his work of putting America completely in his own hands. How about all of the others who have worked so hard to get this evil completed?

        • Evermyrtle

          fortificacion999 npc317 Will this be the final issue, to the complete overcoming of the USA??

        • toppnotch64

          npc317  Amen brother.   To those who want to take away our rights to defend ourselves against tyranny, both here and abroad, I say Molon Labe!!!!

        • toppnotch64

          fortificacion999  There are no foreign troops in America, you are a paranoid fool.   If you have proof of your claims, post a link.   I for one am glad you are no longer in America, we have enough cowards to deal with as it is.   Stay there, and never come back.

        • toppnotch64

          Evermyrtle  If you leave America, to live abroad, you have given up your right to comment on American issues. as far as I am concerned.   I am just one of millions and millions like me.   If you love America, then be thankful for that.   Our founders gave us all a gift, that those like you have let slip.  If it is to be gained back, it is those like me, who will do it.   Not some a-hole who talks a conspiratorial game from outside of our homeland.   As for you, I am perplexed at your continued attitude towards posts, that do not pertain to the topic you type?

        • toppnotch64

          Evermyrtle fortificacion999 npc317 Only if people like you keep saying it is going to fall, rather than being positive and fighting for the little kids, who deserve your protection.   Shame on you, and fornication666, you are the reason, this country is headed towards the cliff, just more sheeple, snubbing your nose at the sheep dogs, while the wolf is eating your friends.

        • fortificacion999

          toppnotch64 Evermyrtle fortificacion999 npc317  My kids are in love with the man who called himself Obama.  You can not say anything bad about him without getting the riot act from them.  The wolf is in sheep’s clothing and there is nothing I can do to save them.

        • w3sj

          fortificacion999 toppnotch64 Evermyrtle npc317 That’s sad. You are intelligent people with stupid children. We had one of those in 2008 who voted for Obama, but she smartened up by 2012 and voted against him.

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64 Evermyrtle fortificacion999 npc317 I am sorry, people like me do not believe that hiding the truth will not  make it go away. We believe in facing the truth and if it is not what we like we try to do something about it. Lying about it makes it worse.  Building on a lie and it will soon grow so out of proportion and we will never be able to handle it. You do not build a house on a rotten foundation. Clean it out before you start to build. Lying the truth and hiding the truth is the way of the liberal. We have built and built on lies until the nation is about to collapse. It is far past the time to turn around and repair instead of covering up  and hiding.

        • npc317

          We are living in 1930s Germany now.

        • ErSwnn

          First of all…Obama didn’t buy anything, the purchase was through independent departments not under direct control of the executive branch.  The purchase is actually more than 1.9 billion but who’s really counting?  The purchase is spread out over several years, a common contractual arrangement.  As for the rounds being HPs, it’s well recognized one should practice with what they carry.  Not that I’m a big fan of DHS nor place a lot of trust in a few other LE agentcies but since they do serve a purpose in our security apparatus I’d like them to be good shots.  I’m not too worried about their actual skill level, I’ve shot with them, they’re not that good.
          Now, with all that said there is no reason to have complete faith that the reasons behind the purchases are without a hidden agenda.  It’s our money and it’s our country, we have a right to question any purchase.

        • thepatriot

          You are correct…AND we have had a DEM/LIBERAL president for OVER FOUR years AND  we had a DEM congress during the last two years of Bush.  That means SIX years of DEM/LIBERAL influence and look where we are… and getting WORSE.  As you said…1930’s Germany .

        • toppnotch64

          fortificacion999   there sure as hell is nothing you can do to save them, while sitting you ass in Panama.  Perhaps it is to late, to teach your children well.   Actually, the kind of person who would expatriate from America, could never teach his children well in the first place.

        • fortificacion999

          toppnotch64 fortificacion999  Honestly, I was busy in the military and not home much. The kids fell in with some bad kids and did their own thing. Now my youngest is living with a college professor (older lady) who is a real liberal for sure.  My boys are 39 and 38.  I was not the best Dad but I never have done anything like these boys did.  I have never been arrested or been in any real trouble.  I do not wish to live in the USA on $1251 a month in social security.  I do not own anything. I am renting.

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64 fortificacion999 If you spent half as much time working for the betterment of your country as you do cutting down others you could make a difference, O’ WISE ONE

    • SNAKEDOCTOR

      @fortificacion999
       I hope many of the Senate will have the stones to stand up for the US Contitution and the Bill of Rights. My fangs are sharp and I bite. Blue Helmets beware you will be on American Soil. We will be behaind every blade of grass. The Senate had better wake up, We the People are not asleep at the wheel as you are.

      • toppnotch64

        @SNAKEDOCTOR @fortificacion999 Hey Doc; glad to see how many like minds are out there, it helps ease my mind. I think and hope, that if this all comes to a head, that we can show the government, that the American citizens are as deeply convicted, as the VC and Afghan people proved to be.

      • ErSwnn

        Ya mean like they’re proving to be right now?  I have absolutely no hope they will back the COTUS per their oath…..their present actions bear out this disturbing reality.  Don’t count too much on being backed up by the majority of your fellow citizens either, only 3% engaged the enemy last time we had to revolt.  Most of them will be completely under control of the “government” through fear and their total reliance on that “government”.  I emphasize the word “government” because the concept of what that is will be (and indeed is) nothing like what was originally concieved.  The premise of By, For and Of is dying and soon will be dead……unless we revolt, and prevail.

        • npc317

          I fear the same.  I attended grade school and high school  during the 50s and early 60s.  After school we either played ball or war and in 1968 I ended up in a war.  Today kids don’t do that.  After school they get on their computers and play games.  So I wonder just how many will stand their ground.  The left has taken control of our education system and from what I have read, the public schools are teaching socialism and antigun.  Today, boys are exspelled from shcool for just drawing a picture of a gun.  In the eighth grade part of our phyiscal ed. was riflemanship.  We carried rifles down the hallways of school and nobody thought anything about it.  We also had competitive shooting teams.  Archery and firearms.  What I’m getting at is the younger generation has been trained and educated much different.  If gun confication should happen, I fear most, not all will hand them over.  If a civil war should take place (I hope that doesn’t happen) just how many will  show?  I hope I’m wrong if any of these events should happen.

        • JohnFellie

          @npc317 I know what you mean.I also went to school in the 50s and 60s.I went to a country school and it was nothing to bring a gun or bow to school,as a lot of us went hunting before or and after school.I hope that there are enough of the young folk that will stand with their parents and grand parents if the time ever arises.Trouble is to many young people are to fat and  out of shape to do much of anything.Most now days do nothing but sit in front of their P C for hours unlike us that were out working on the farm or doing some kind of activity until it was to dark to see any more.If this Country and Constitution is lost it won’t be because of the older folks but because of the younger ones.I think to many have been brain washed by the socialist communist leaning teaching in most schools now.I’m happy to say most of my grand kids have been Home Schooled.

        • ErSwnn

          Kind of ironic isn’t it?  In the past when firearms were common, accepted as normal and respected as tools we had few mass shootings.  Today with all the hopophobia and pure insanity (2nd graders expelled for chewing a pop tart into a facsimile of a gun) we have maniacs shooting up “gunfree zones” all too frequently. 
           
          I find it abjectly ahborant that we make excuses for those who wontonly abuse the right of the 2A.  Someone uses a firearm for unlawful purposes and recieves a rediculously light sentence and in doing so we weaken the meaning of the right.  As opposed to strict, even harsh, punishment for abusing the right to keep and bear a weapon.  We hold the lawful accountable for the actions of the unlawful.  Stupidity and denial of true responsibility.

        • npc317

          More should be home schooled.  Your grand kids will most likely turn out to be independent and not dependents.  I do have to give the young people in military service a lot of credit.  Our days we had the draft.  These young people in the military today are volenteers.  Some have done 2 & 3 tours.  I believe these ones will show if the need arises.

        • Evermyrtle

          Even small schools practice socialists behavior. We have one here, one little girl came home broken hearted, thee teacher took her Christmas badge from her and would not allow her to wear. I would have gone to see that teacher AND took my child out of there and sent her to a private school or home schooled her.  Of Course all parents are not able to do either one but there must something they can do to prevent such teachers teaching their children.

        • fortificacion999

          @npc317 It is why the DHS considers Veterans potential terrorists.  Veterans actually love their country and don’t care much for commies who do not.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @npc317 This is only an action by the antichrist and anti-America radicals to cast doubts on out military and veterans and further the country’s faith in them, which will strengthen the power of the enemy. Give me a veteran ahead any of Obams’ power pushers

        • fortificacion999

          @Evermyrtle  @npc317 I am a Christian conservative patriotic Viet Nam veteran.  I believe in the constitution and in smaller government.  I hate communists and socialists.  I know Islam is not a religion at all but a political movement.  In other words I am on Obama’s hit list.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @npc317 I have no doubt but that I am on his hit list, also. If my body is found on the street ,know that it was not of a heart attack but a “hit.” I  never heard of any of my ancestors dying of a heart attack and many of them lived into their 80’s and 90’s, I mean way back in history. Of course some of the women died in their 30’s and 40’s having their 1o’th to 12’th baby. At least they did not murder them.

        • npc317

          @Evermyrtle  @fortificacion999    I am also a Christian conservative and I have also met the Viet Cong(2 tours 1968-1971.  Evermyrtle, don’t worry about dying on the street.  Obamacare has plans for us seniors.  If we need a bypass, instead we are going to get an aspirin.  I to am probably on a list.  Back in the seventies I was approach by the Michigan Militia.  I even attended a couple of their meeting.  I discovered something;  their members were nothing like the news media discribed them.  They were well mannered and expressed love of america and the constitution.  Anyway, they wanted me to join.  I told them that I had enough military for now, but I would be there the day they start kicking our doors down.  They asked if they could put me down for that, I said go a head.  So, I’m probably on a long time list.  But I don’t really give a dam.  I just soon go camping again.  It beats maybe ending up in a nursing home someday.

        • Evermyrtle

          @npc317  @Evermyrtle  @fortificacion999
          The government and the media put down, ridicule, lie about anything GODLY or American, they hate us, but GOD is on our side. I believe HE will protect HIS people>

        • fortificacion999

          @Evermyrtle  @npc317 These people on this site are angry.  I am angry too but know when to pull up stakes and move the tent.  There is room for many people in Costa Rica, Panama, and other countries.  You don’t need much to live here.  People are coming to Panama everyday with that deer in the headlights look.  It is time to go if you can.  You are currently under martial law and don’t even know it.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @npc317

        • npc317

          Your probably right.  The problem I have is I don’t like summer year around.  I would miss the changing seasons.  I lived in Florida a couple of years and did not care for summer all the time.  There probably is places in the north that would make a favorable home but I don’t know where.

        • Evermyrtle

          @fortificacion999  @npc317 The Prez  says that they do not have a right to just up and kill us for any reason, perhaps using a drone BUT  if they want to do so what is there to stop them, lack of law has never stopped him before. Has anything changed??? I guess that is kind of martial law when someone can be killed without any type of OK
           
          We are all angry at but we do not lie, ridicule, threaten, or use any deceitful way to get what we want. Along with the anger there is love for our country, for our people and for our GOD and these things prevent us fro committing any crime against those tht we love.

        • npc317

          Right on.

        • fortificacion999

          @npc317  @Evermyrtle Good point.  Nursing homes won’t be safe places either.  These liberals are for getting rid of all the sick, old , or deformed people so we don’t hurt the planet.  They plan on killing billions.

        • npc317

          @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle   They have got everything ass backwords.  What the old and sick should do is comitt a crime where they can go to prison.  There they would receieve good health care, free food, clothing, television, workout rooms, everything paid for.  And, the inmates, put them in nursing homes where they would be punished for their crimes.

        • toppnotch64

          @fortificacion999 @Evermyrtle @npc317 I hope you stay where you are, you are not our brother. You are like a rat jumping ship. An ex merchant mariner, surely knows about rats on ships. If you renounce your citizenship, you forfeit the protections of our government, should the sh!t hit the fan.

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle  @npc317 What on earth has gotten your dander up, what are you talking about? Do explain I do not jump around on what I believe I believe the same thing every day and i will stick to that , so what has gotten your dander up. Was it some truth that i spoke that hit you hard?? You should listen to Rand Paul speak on  his filibuster. Wonderful speech.
           
          By the way it is the Democrats and Rinos who are jumping ship.

        • npc317

          @toppnotch64  @fortificacion999  @Evermyrtle  @npc317 The current government is the enemy.

        • toppnotch64

          fortificacion999 npc317   Well, that is the first thing I have seen from you, that has any real truth to it.   I did not know you were a Vietnam vet, so please except my sincerest thanks for your service.   I was a cold warrior, so I was never shot at, but I was in Anti Submarine warfare, and the threats then, were moments away from all out war.   I am a staunchly anti communist/socialist conservative, and I do believe, that Obama is trying to weaken us internationally, and subvert our freedoms nationally.   I have had my VA doctors ask me the questions that are being outed, about being angry or wanting to hurt someone after a visit.  What?  I am there to be checked out, not be put into a pool of folks, who are deemed a threat to society.   I am a long time firearm owner, in all that time, my weapons have never loaded themselves, and have never been used to intimidate anyone.   They are inanimate tools, used to protect and feed my family.   A wise Col. once said; “An unarmed man can only flee from evil and evil, will not be overcome by fleeing from it.”

        • fortificacion999

          toppnotch64 fortificacion999 npc317 Amen.  The liberals and other lefties are godless creatures who will lie with a straight face.  The object is to destroy everything that is good or decent in our culture.  Then turn the country into a communist country.

        • Evermyrtle

          fortificacion999 toppnotch64 Topnotch is one of the anti-America, ant-GOD workers. Just watch his fire as he attacks pro-Americans and Christians

        • toppnotch64

          You are a filEvermyrtle fortificacion999 toppnotch64 I do not attack pro Americans. I am God’s child and I love him. I am against silly people like your ancient ass, who hide behind scripture, at a time when actions are what God wants to see from his children. You are a vile who’re, and will burn in hell. I will never stop the fight for liberty as long as I inhale freedoms sweet air. Go fuck yourself you filthy cunt.

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64 Evermyrtle fortificacion999 With GOD in control HE has the power to destroy this entire universe in an instant, you can believe my first and last thoughts is of HIM You know that is what HE will do eventually, get rid of what is here and replace it with a new heaven and earth and if you do not consider HIM first, there is something lacking badly with your association with HIM. 

          Hide behind scripture, if you love HIM you should know that this scripture is HIS WORD AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR IT. For someone to make light of it as you do you cannot possible have proper respect for it. HE says, “if you are ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you before my FATHER. Best not forget that, O’ Wise One.

          With this filthy way of speaking to a fellow human Satan is speaking directly into your ears and his words are coming out of your mouth. Best get ahold on yourself.

        • fortificacion999

          Evermyrtle fortificacion999 toppnotch64 I thought maybe there was a brain in there who could converse with people without breaking out in obscenities.  Anti-Christian is liberal and communist is anti-American.  Not sure about the anti-American part of him.  i tire of the conversation.  God bless and keep all of you safe in the coming days.

        • Evermyrtle

          fortificacion999 Evermyrtle toppnotch64 Thanks! So refreshing after the filthy mind of topnotch. I am alway surprise that such filth can come out of the mouth of a human but like I to him,it was Satan speaking through him and he allows it.That is so sad

      • npc317

        I don’t think there is much hope that the Senate will stand for the constitution.  Most of them are socialist or comunist and one world government people.

        • Bill Weston

          Actually, most federal legislators are either sold out to special interests, self-serving, or both; thus they’re “useful idiots”. The pattern followed by wannabe tyrants is to work behind the scenes and let those that they use take the heat. Still, the terms of our constitution can be enforced. Congressmen and senators can be replaced. Cleaning up the buracracy will be a little tougher, but that can also be accomplished.

        • Evermyrtle

          Bill Weston I am beginning to wonder about that, se have been stuck in this hopeless condition for so long and the only change we see it the continual deterioration of the efficiency of the running of the government of  “we the people!”

        • Bill Weston

          Maybe so in light of some prophesies, but I’m one of the messengers and a witness only. Yeah, I feel a little like Jeremiah at times, but the promises will be kept. Ira Stamphiil wrote “Mansion Over the Hilltop” years ago. ( Pehaps you remember it. ) That song and scripture is enough for me.

  • npc317

    You are correct.  And, Hillary will be even worst .

    • Evermyrtle

      @npc317 
      the only way that she could be worse is that she claims to be a Christian, I do not believe Obam has ever claimed such a thing, he has ripped out SAVIOR out everything that has been in his power, so far and he has not slowed down in his destructive stride across America, and nobody appears to be trying to stop him.

      • toppnotch64

        @Evermyrtle @npc317 I’m trying.

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle  @npc317 There are a lot of us trying. I just read the the GOP has voted to accept Obamascare, our last hope in the human element. NOW IT IS UP TO GOD, OUR LAST HUMAN HOPE IS GONE.

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle   You are softer than a sneaker full of sh!t.   The last hope is we the people.   Please, if all you have to say is the type of crap that you have been the last few days, please leave me out, the last thing I want, is a bunch of panty wastes, who are folding up now, when the real sh!t, is not even in the same room as the fan…

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle I really am sorry, I do not intend to offend you,it was not intentional. I do speak the truth as I see it. and when  it come to my GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. I not only believe, I know that I am  right. GOD gives us the right to accept HIM and HIS SON or to reject  them, if we reject either one we are rejecting both of them. There are consequences to either choice.
           
          I have no intentions to quit witnessing for them, if you do not like what I am saying there is nothing to say that you  have to read what I write.
           
          I promise I will try to remember your name and not address you again. This site is for Christians ant that is what I am you are the one who is trespassing.Of course, the way you write and the things you say maps out exactly what you are. Christians to not use  dirty words when we write. We have some degree of self respect and respect for those who ar going to read what we write.
           
          You cannot even spell what you are trying to say. it is panty waist not panty waste, but I do not have any idea what it means and i would wager that I am olde than you are and have a lot  more wisdom, depending what you are saying when you write. .
           
          WE THE PEOPLE ARE FAILING AND FAILING BADLY. WE HAVE SOLD THIS NATION OUT TO SATAN AND THE WORSHIPERS OF A FALSE GOD.

        • JohnFellie

          @Evermyrtle  @toppnotch64 I read your post and have to disagree with you a little.I am a christen and I nor have others I know have given up. We already know there is going to be a battle ahead and are getting ready to do just that..WE THE PEOPLE are the ONLY ONES that are going to save this Country and Constitution and WE CAN’T LOSE.If we do our great Country is NO MORE and our Grand and Great grand  kids will live under a dictatorship.I can’t and will not allow that to happen.I am sure that there are MILLIONS that feel the same as I do.Right Now this Country’s armed citizens are bigger then ANY army any were in the world.The thing that these political hacks don’t know is what is going to be coming at them when the shit hits the fan.I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.

        • Bill Weston

          toppnotch64: Evermyrtle is a LADY that dearly loves our LORD and is grateful for the liberty HE has given to us, so she loves our country as well. I know this because I’ve been following her comments for some time. She has stated that she is 83 and I, for one, find many of her comments wise and encouraging. As for fighting to save our country, I’m 73 and 4-f from polio, thus disqualified from military service, but I’ve been in a few alley fights and I believe I can handle a few more if I have to. As I see it, sounding off without checking the facts as you seem to do on occasion means that I would not trust you to cover my back. Perhaps our country can still be saved without a fire-fight; but “loose cannons” won’t accomplish it. If we do have to start shooting, then let us do it as a military unit without vigilantes or “lone rangers”.

        • Evermyrtle

          @JohnFellie  @Evermyrtle  @toppnotch64 I agree, there are many true dedicated Christians, who will never give.up and back down.  I was referring to the country as a whole. I am one of those who will stand for HIM to the end am glad that you will, too.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Bill Weston Thank you Bill, for the beautiful compliment, i have not such a nice on in a long time. GOD BLESS YOU.

        • RobertMyles

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle I have neveer met an athiest in a fighting hole topnotch and i sure do not want you to be in one with me. Our strenght comes from our belief system the one our fore father’s used as a guide to create the single most important and yes radical Governemtn the earth has ever seen a Constitutional Republic. I pray with you Evermyrtle as War is a very terrible thing, take that from one who has seen the evil side of humanity and at first I did indeed wonder that “if there is a God, why would he allow this?” I learned over time that i was looking at Man’s world not God’s. I pray everyday we may somehow avert this gathering storm even with the storm clouds becoming visible on the Horizon

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle Are you a socialist fascist  like most of the Democrats? If not you are putting on a good show of one.

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle Forgive me for speaking to you in my sailors tongue, I am as deeply conservative as they come.  I have served 8 years in the military, and if you were not a woman, I would like to find you, and put a foot in your ass, over calling me a socialist.      God helps those, who are willing to help themselves.   Socialists are Godless, and those who thumb their knows at others because they don’t thump the bible as loudly as others, have gotten more innocents killed, than those who fight for liberty from oppression, and stand for the oppressed.   Pray to God almighty, but pick up a weapon if the need arises, and shoot to protect your fellows.   I have nothing against you, or those who comment to me, about my comments to you, but if your not with me, your aginst me, and thats how it has to be.

        • Evermyrtle

          @toppnotch64  @Evermyrtle I didnot actually say you were a socialist, I said that your certainly sounded like one. Are you one of those who cannot stand the truth?  If you should try putting your foot where you want it I would love to have  picture of that. To see someone get this angry at such a “almost accusation” is unbelievable but for the liberals of America it  is quite usual. I have had  a lot worse thrown at me, I basically ignore the slur if it is true or if it is a lie. I do put some efforts forth not be a complete fool. That is not to say that I don’t ever dothat because I am not immune to being a fool. No need to agree or embellish on this truth.

        • toppnotch64

          @Evermyrtle;   I spent 8 years in the military, fighting the cold war against socialist/communist nations trying to destroy America.  I am deeply conservative, and a strict constitutionalists.  To have some nit whit call me a socialist, or compare me to a liberal, is the height of insult to me.   God is with me, as I’m sure he is with you.  I know that he watches over me, and that America is his shining hope for peace on earth.   You don’t know me, and perhaps that is a good thing for you, or perhaps not.   I hope you will find peace in your final years.   As for those who will not sit in a foxhole with me, I ain’t going to be in a fu@king, I will be  killing those who are bent on killing me and those I love.   
            This topic is about the government, trying to subvert the will of the American people, by banning the very guns, that this maggot Obama plans on using against us.   Stick to the topic, or go do some nitting…

        • Evermyrtle

          toppnotch64 I said the your sound like a socialist speaking, you offered to put your foot in a place that if you did that and it got stuck I would not be able to sit down until you pried it loose.Now I am a nitwit, with a stomachache from laughing at the sight that this would all would present.. So now I am fine and hope that you are feeling much better. I am willing to call it quits, if your are. I do appreciate the fact that you love My GOD and are a Christian and the duty that you did for our country. Let’s shake hands and forget the whole miserable but funny side, too. Let us be friends, I am too old to have enemies.

      • npc317

        @Evermyrtle Even if she did, well, there are many faults christians among us.  The last election proved that.  They put a man back in office that supports the murder of the unborn and gay marriage.  They sold their souls cheap.

  • toppnotch64

    These posts, are supposed to be about the left wing idiots, who want to disarm us.   Why are there so many people, who are posting stuff other than that?    If you are not willing to arm yourselves, and kill anyone who shows up at your door, to confiscate them, then you are wasting my time, and the time of those others of us, who are working to stop this group of gun grabbing fruitcakes…

  • npc317

    I’m not to sure liberals believe what they say.  You see, they want to rule not serve.  In an armed society you can not rule.

  • Evermyrtle

    Liberals only tell you what they want you to think. if it is true or not or  what they believe or don’t believe has nothing to do whit what comes our the mouth of a socialist, fascist.