The Karl Rove Cartel Will Now Pick Your Rhinos

By now all Americans—regardless of their political ideology, especially conservatives—should be fed up with the government failures produced by political operatives and big money’s influence in our elections. Election after election, powerbrokers like the infamous political Republican strategist Karl Rove and his campaign money machine are working to deprive Americans of the fundamental concept of choice in our elections. If Mr. Rove continues to have his way, conservative Americans will only be allowed to vote for candidates of his choosing in the foreseeable future.

Super Pac “American Crossroads”—founded in part by Karl Rove—has branched out on a new political influence peddling venture call “The Conservative Victory Project”. “The Conservative Victory Project” will operate independently of the National Republican Senatorial Committee and “American Crossroads”. It is being funded by big Republican campaign contributors frustrated by American Crossroads failure to aggressively inject their money and influence into Republican vs. Republican contests. According to reports “the Conservative Victory Project” unlike “American Crossroads” will be disclosing all of it donors. How refreshing, if true.

Marketing their mission as “picking the most conservative candidate that can win”, the Rove agenda is attempting to bring a new discipline to the Republican Party, by protecting incumbents and candidates they support, from challenges presented by the Tea Party and so-called far right conservative groups. Apparently big Republican donors aren’t happy with anti-establishment conservative Republican candidates—chosen by free and fair elections—defeating there candidates and subsequently losing to a Democrat. So now big Republican money will be using their wealth to elect prolific Rhino ringers rather than fight for a true conservative candidate—who they feel—cannot defeat a Democrat in a general election.

I can’t speak for the diverse and hard to define new Republican Party, but history doesn’t speak well for moderate Republican leadership in American government. Somehow I doubt that continuing the push for watering down conservatism in American politics, just to win elections, will solve any pressing problems in our nation. In fact, it will only produce more John McCains, Lindsay Grahams and Marco Rubios. Political compromisers of the worst kind, who support politically expedient legislation designed for party health rather than American prosperity.

Call me an idealist, but our federal representative’s elections were never designed to be decided by men like Karl Rove or any well-funded political action committee. You can thank the 17th amendment to the U.S. Constitution for that disastrous change in American elections and governance. Yet Mr. Rove and his financial backers (no better in my mind than the Left wings David Axelrods) will soon begin intensely vetting—in other words— threatening to destroy the character of prospective conservative candidates that don’t conform to their concept of a “winning conservative.” Karl Rove is once again packaging candidates that can win Independents, Republicans as well as the rare and elusive, if not extinct, conservative Democrat voter. Candidates that will do and any say anything to keep big Republican money happy with carefully directed legislative votes sprinkled with Karl Rove’s brand of political cronyism.

What kind of odds would you give a traditional conservative war veteran or businessman from the heartland of America in a Karl Rove vetting process? Better yet what kind of odds do you give to our Republic’s future survival if so-called Karl Rove/Conservative Victory Project moderates are the only candidates you will be allowed to vote for? Personally, it’s been a long time since I had faith in any of my available choices for candidate for public office as determined by the current two party power struggles. More big money Karl Rove candidates are the last thing our morally bankrupt political process needs.

For those Americans who will self-servingly attack my opinions and observations as disloyal to the new Republican Party and their evolving strategies, I would advise them to learn a little more about Mr. Rove.

Since his college years, Karl Rove has had—to put it nicely—a checkered political career. His devotions are not conservative. Rove is all about winning at any cost, even if that means using underhanded and corrupt methods to get the job done. Mr. Rove’s affinity for hard edged tactics designed to secure victory for a Rove candidate, over a true conservative candidate, serves American voters no better than allowing a biased liberal media to select our conservative representatives. In today’s reality the only difference is a D or an R after their names. I think most Americans realize conservatism is being abandoned by the Republican Party and without successful traditional conservative American principles resurgence in U.S. government, our Constitution and Nation is toast.

Washington D.C. and its current culture are destroying our country. Karl Rove is not and never has been an ally of freedom and liberty. He is both a political mouth piece and puppet for powerful financial influences who want their controllable candidates of choice running our country, not the candidates of conservative American voters chosen in free and open elections.

Keep an eye on Mr. Rove and his new “Conservative Victory Project.” If our nation is fooled into believing that Karl Rove is our answer to political victory and regaining control of our elected representatives voting behavior, we will all have another thing coming.







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  • Boyd Sharp

    The answer is obvious. Whichever candidate has the Karl Rove seal of approval, vote for someone else. Sadly tho the current two party system gives us two choices, both evil. We then get to pick the lesser of.

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      @Boyd Sharp
       Boyd, it’s the same system and has been for most of the existence of the republic.  Almost nothing has changed about the system.  Elections have been and are nasty.  Human beings have been and are pretty much the same since the founding of our country – petty, dishonest, prone to hyperbole.
       
      Those same human beings can also be altruistic, loyal, and caring.  So what?
       
      So the answer isn’t to complain about the system and people’s natural tendancies.  The answer is to stay motivated, and to motivate others.  Articulate our message, and do so in a way that listens to the other side, and then picks their arguments apart piece by piece, all the while showing how we really have the best answers.

      • MARYANN33

        @Jaycen  @Boyd Sharp Our talk needs a loudspeeker…Allen West is one.

  • TedSmith3

    Those who criticize Karl Rove are those who are the most outspoken Tea Partiers.  To me, the most outspoken TPs are no better than Democrats.  The Tea Party has been a disaster in US Senate races.  Republicans had good chances to win several seats in 2010 and 2012 but state Tea Parties injected their candidates into the primaries and the results were disastrous.  The TPs won the primaries then lost the general elections.  In the 2010 races:
     
    Colorado –Ken Buch (TP) beat GOP candidate Jane Norton in the primary then lost the general election to Michael Bennett (D) keeping the seat Democrat.
     
    Delaware – Christine O’Donnell (TP) beat GOP candidate Mike Castle in the primary then lost the general election to Chris Cooms (D) keeping the seat Democrat.
     
    Nevada – Sharron Angle (TP) beat GOP candidate Sue Lowden in the primary then lost the general election to Harry Reid (D) keeping the seat Democrat and Reid as Senate Majority Leader.  The Tea Party got Harry Reid reelected in 2010.
     
    The Tea Party is making two major mistakes:  1) they have spent their time “taking out” Republicans who aren’t considered “conservative” enough by injecting themselves into primary races and defeating the Republicans.  The TPs should be working to defeat Democrats, not Republicans, and 2) they need to understand they can’t do anything to improve government if they can’t win the general elections.
     
    In Kentucky, the Tea Partier elitist’s intent to sabotage US Senator Mitch McConnell because he isn’t “conservative” enough to suit their tastes is another incredibly stupid mistake.

    • kushibo

      @TedSmith3 I generally agree with what you’re saying, and I’m not very happy that reasonably good Republicans have been voted out of their seats. I think we need this ideology and more pragmatism, but too much pragmatism has also gotten us some careless fiscal spending and other erosion of rights.

    • abigsoxfan

      @TedSmith3 Good points Ted. the party needs to be more inclusive, not less and needs to stop circling the firing squad. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are drooling right now at all of the infighting within the Republican party. I consider myself very fiscally conservative and fairly socially conservative. But I’ve said to myself and others dozens of times before I’m not going to vote for or against any candidate on how they feel about most social issues because it is not those issues which are ruining the country, it is the fiscal issues doing that. Karl Rove is not a bad guy. He wants conservative Republicans to get elected. He will do whatever it takes to get Democrats out of office. I don’t see how all of this infighting and attacking of Rove gets us there. Again, the Democrats are drooling over this infighting. We have to stop.

      • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

        @abigsoxfan  @TedSmith3
         I’m socially conservative in my personal life, but that should never extend to the political field.  You can’t legislate human behavior.
         
        Inclusivity is death by dilution.  Is it good policy for Hindu groups to be “inclusive” and hire Christians for their leadership positions, or admit them as members?  Somehow, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
         
        Does that make logical sense to you?

        • abigsoxfan

          @Jaycen  Good point Jaycen. My concern is shooting ourselves in the foot while the Democrats continue to gain power. I view myself as a Conservative more so than a Republican. But to believe there is a viable alternative out there in the near future is a bad strategy. I’m from Illinois. George Ryan our former governor a and RINO deluxe helped sink the party in this state. I can’t stand the guy. But we voted in a moderate Republican in Mark Kirk who barely beat a Democrat who basically sunk a local bank. Had we run a far right Republican, the Dems  would now have 56 seats on the Senate, not 55.

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @abigsoxfan
           
          I don’t know that you can say that with certainty, abigsoxfan.
           
          Many of us believe that running a moderate Progressive like Mitt Romney is why we lost the Presidential election.  Romney lost by about 1%.
           
          We know that the Libertarian earned about 1.5% of the vote.  Now, if you assume that most of the people who voted for Romney over Obama would have voted for my Left Shoe, had it been on the ballot with an (R) next to its name, then you can safely assume that the Libertarians would have voted for the Republican had he not been a Socialist-Lite candidate, no?
           
          I could be wrong, especially considering Illinois, but your state has slid so far to the statist side of the spectrum, I don’t know if a Constitutionalist would have ANY chance in Illinois, ever.

        • abigsoxfan

          @Jaycen I’m done with Illinois. The only reason I still live here is because it is convenient for work. I will move out at retirement or possibly sooner if things get worse. I can tell you very confidently that here in Illinois, Kirk was the only person who could have beaten the crook Giannoulias. As far as the national election, Paul Ryan was my guy. But he chose not to run for the top office and to be honest with you, I doubt even he could have beaten the Obama/Axelrod machine.

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      @TedSmith3
       Hi, Ted.
       
      As a Tea Partier, I don’t speak for the entire Tea Party, so you’d also be mistaken if you treat us as if we’re monolithic and centralized.  We aren’t.
       
      Still, I’ll attempt to address your concerns.  First, all parties put up poor candidate choices.  That’s not necessarily an indictment of the entire movement, only a recognition that human beings are fallible (the candidates and their constituents).  Welcome to the human race.
       
      Calling us elitists misses the mark.  I think a better word is “purist”.  We’re seeking someone who’s ideologically pure, or as close to it as we can possibly get.  We must be careful that we accept candidates who are “good enough”, as opposed to holding out for someone who’s “perfect”.  I think that’s a trap Libertarians have fallen into with their near-worship of Ron Paul.
       
      In any case, your second-to-last paragraph shows you don’t understand the movement.  Most of us aren’t really Republicans, or we’ve only just joined the Party.  Most of us traditionally vote Consitution Party, or Libertarian Party, but we vote Republican when there’s no better choice, because the Democrat Party has sold itself wholesale to Progressive Socialism.
       
      Now we see that much of the Republican Party leadership is also Progressive, and we’re not accepting it.  You might be a Progressive, or you might be caught in some Progressive mindset, but we’re going to use the mechanics of the Republican Party to clean house and put our own people into power.  This will necessarily flush the Progressive garbage from the system.  Undoubtedly, many Republicans are unhappy with that situation.  They can grouse, or they can register as Democrats.  Makes no difference to me.

      • EmilGray

        @Jaycen  @TedSmith3
         Congratulations Jaycen. I agree with your statement. By the way Ted the reason Ken Buch, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost is because people like Karl Rove and the rest of the RINO led RNC didn’t support them not because they were “bad” candidates.

    • JohnVanHaecke

      @TedSmith3 Granted, there have been some Tea Party candidates that shot themselves in the foot, but the fact of the matter is that ALL Tea Party candidates, once successful in their primaries, get NO support from the inside the Beltway Republican establishment.  Delaware was a winnable race, but Christine O’Donnell got no support from the NRSC or the RNC.  Zero had to go to Delaware five times to stump for the D candidate, that race was so close.
       
      Once the people choose their candidates, then the RNC and all the other apparatus should get behind those candidates.

    • EmilGray

      @TedSmith3
       Yo Ted, I think Fonzi has a message for you. Sit on it. Mitch has compromised for the last time as far as I’m concerned. He is just another beltway insider who wants to maintain his power and he has shown he doesn’t care how that gets done.

    • JohnLee1

      @TedSmith3
       When the GOP candidate came up for the general election the people remembered how               the GOP didn’t stand up for a understandable budget and folded on every occasion. Indiana had a good candidate for the Senate seat, but the GOP dropped out and didn’t back him.

  • kushibo

    Remember when we all used to love Karl Rove? And we used to love so many of the things that the people he got elected were doing?

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      @kushibo
       
      Who was that?  Many of us (Tea Partiers) were disgusted by George Bush.  I recognized him for the big-spending Progressive that he was.  Now, he was a nationalist, which was better than an internationalist, but that doesn’t change that he was bad for our country.  Just bad in different ways than Al Gore.
       
      Geez, for so many of you folks, it’s one way or the other, isn’t it?  It’s like you live your day-to-day life in the False Choice logical fallacy.

      • abigsoxfan

        @Jaycen  I’m not a big fan of George Bush’s either. Can you imagine where we’d  be right now had we voted in the whack job Gore or John Kerry been elected? Who’s you favorite possible candidate for President in 2016?

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @abigsoxfan
           
          I shudder to consider who Gore or Kerry would have prosecuted 9/11.  If Obama is any clue, they would have done nothing, as Obama did in Benghazi, and now we’ve had another embassy attacked.
           
          I don’t know that I have a favorite right now.  So many of the Republicans seem to be Progressives, or positioning themselves as Progressives, or castigated by the Progressive leadership of the party.
           
          I’m wondering if there’s any hope for the Republican Party, or if it really isn’t time to go third party.  The next 4 years are going to be interesting.

        • kushibo

          @abigsoxfan @Jaycen Where would we be if Al Gore had gotten into the White House? I can tell you where we wouldn’t be: Iraq.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @Jaycen  @kushibo I wasn’t “disgusted” by George Bush but I was dissappointed that he didn’t do anything about the deficit.

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @kushibo
           
          I was.  Welfare spending TRIPLED during George Bush’s presidency. T-R-I-P-L-E-D.
           
          Do you believe as I do that paying people not to work is ruining our country – destroying the work ethic and putting undo burden on those who DO work?  If so, the next time someone trashes Geoge Bush, don’t get defensive, agree.  Then ask how Obama is better.  Obama has either maintained George Bush’s policies or increased them.
           
          That bears repeating – Obama has either maintained George Bush’s policies or increased them.
           
          George Bush and Obama are not polar opposites.  George Bush is a Nationalist Progressive (one centralized state ruling the world with America in the lead) and Obama is an Internationlist Porgressive (one centralized state ruling the world with the United Nations in the lead).
           
          Aside from who specifically calls the shots, what’s the difference between the two?  Nothing, sir.

  • johnbbbb

    Say what you will, but Karl Rove or anyone else will not decide for me.  I also believe that some of the democrat victories in the general election were cause by voting fraud and voting machine problems.

    • kushibo

      @johnbbbb Work to end the Citizens United fiasco.

  • truthbeknown

    Rove is as bad for america as ob.  They each want nothing but control.   They are crooked politicans.  just like the rest of them.  None is good.  Its a shame we have come to this.   we cant trust any of them.  they must all be replaced period.

    • MARYANN33

      @truthbeknown Yes.

  • bobobuster

    Rove and the establishment Republicans caused me to change my affiliation to Libertarian.  The current Republicans have moved too far left for my thoughts.  There seems to be very little difference between the Republican establishment members and the Liberal/Socialist Democrats anymore, or at least their lack of balls to dispute the Democrats.
     
    Time for another revolution to get our country back…

  • JohnLDick

    Conservatives need some money man to buy up or start a couple of news organizations that can put out there the corruption etc. The problem conservastives have is that no one is listening or watching and the news media continues to cover s–t up.

  • jacquebquique

    As a conservative voter with a military background, I am very leary of Karl Rove. Not surprisingly, his name cropped up in various investigations of the Johnnie Gotsch disappearance in Iowa.

  • Nedd

    This is what happens when millionaires pay a RINO to lose an election…Their only interest is taking over the government hog trough so THEY can steal from the taxpayers,instead of democrats keeping it all to themselves…..This indicates progress,rove is fighting to save his career of paid thievery,attacking the tea party is an obvious act of desperation….This is an opportune and pivotal moment,if used to their advantage,rove’s involvement will buy a lot of free media exposure for the tea party,our reply should be constantly explaing who rove really is and who he works for (not the taxpayer)….Keep the game going,drag it out as long as roves’ millionaires will pay for it,and I think they can be broken…. I rarely watch fox anymore,but millions still do,and an official boycott to get rid of rove on their network would net more free exposure for the tea party,keep him on the defensive,and relieve them of even more of their resources…..Defeat rove and you will defeat the crooks that back him….

  • DocB2013

    This is already going on. In the last election at the repub convention they changed the rules
    So not to have folks like ron paul ever get on a ballot they raised numer of states from six to eight in order to get on ballot. But the idiots that they r couldn’t count paul had six so they had a vote that the presumptive nominee gets to pick his delegates
    It failed by yeah and nay vote but boehner passed it any way to everyone’s surprise
    What this means people is we list our voice for u see we will be given there candidate and he will pick his own delegates meaning he can’t be chalanged but an outsider
    Yes what a great country. What great men what phonies with their dog and pony show
    They should all be hung in the streets all for personal gain and all to keep we the people suppressed and enslaved and knowing the real truth about the power and freedoms we r suppose to have Well learn and educate yourselves because the reality us they r powerless
    Their laws are illegal their judges are illegal and our courts are ileagal
    Learn and stand up for yourselves

  • LOU 7

    Carl Rove will not pick candidates for me. He lost the last election, he needs to step aside and let new blood in.

  • DavidPeacock

    tea party is America ;; shove it rove you has been……..both parties are out of touch with 48% of we the people;; libcraps cater to the free loaders and rhinos cater to “who the hell knows”?

  • DavidStroud

    This is a complicated problem where the worst thing that can happen is that Republicans become divided to the point that we keep losing. Let’s work together to get the most conservative candidates WHO CAN WIN & BE PROPERLY VETTED! This is the first order of business to getting  liberals out!  I agree with wanting every aspect of a candidate’ thinking to agree with every conservative principle but it was disgusting how many conservatives refused to vote last Nov because of a point or 2 they didn’t like about a candidate; I read where one person said they would not vote for Romney because he is a Morman. Listen! Getting Obama out was the first order of business instead of having everything our way!! Instead, look at what we will have to put up with for 4 more years because some of us are too myopic to see the big picture.I have to think that if I had not voted for a candidate since I first started voting a number of years ago because there was some point I didn’t agree with which they espoused, I would have yet to vote!!! Let’s think this time!!

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @DavidStroud I disagree. Yes obama is a disaster but a house built on sand cannot stand.
       
      We need to get rid of the RINOs first before we can move forward.
       
      I like Rove but he either needs to make peace with the Tea Party or go to work for MS-NBC.
       
      WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A SIX MONTHS NOMINATING PROCESS IF WE HAVE THE GUY WITH THE MOST MONEY FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS?
       
      The RINOs should just have told us way back in April? that Romney was the candidate and saved all the money. That would have pissed off fewer people than making us go through an obviously rigged nominating process.

    • n2woods

      @DavidStroud David, you just won’t get it.  The Republicans “WHO CAN WIN” were McCain and Romney because they can attract independents or whatever.  W Bush ran as a conservative.  Since Reagan, not one Republican candidate running as a moderate won.  It is not the fault of the conservatives that the Republican Party keeps loosing.  No matter what, the American people are not stupid.  They know by now that there is no difference between a RHINO and a Democrat.  Why vote for Republican politicians when you can have true believing Democrats.  The American people don’t seem to like politicians who are “PROPERLY VETTED” or a voting present Obama would have never won.  Obama had no executive or leadership experience, instead he had strong beliefs.  Reagan had strong beliefs.  Clinton and Bush had strong personalities.  None of these moderates will have strong personalities or beliefs, because the big donors want to ensure their donations influence their candidates more than their beliefs or personalities will.  We’re not stupid. 
       
      To vote for a moderate is to vote for back room deals and poor governance without any heart or soul.

      • DavidStroud

        @n2woods If you didn’t notice W Bush was more of a moderate than a conservative & he nearly lost, which he did the popular vote! You choose to ignore the overall figure that moderates start slightly right of center in the national distribution of voters! I do not like RHINOS either but you’re making the mistake I was talking about. You’re lumping everyone together. I was referring to certain issues which a conservative might disagree with but for the most part agree with the positions of a candidate who can win! One example was running O’Donnell in a liberal state like Delaware,  &if the Republican who had been in the House before he ran for Senate & was favored to win in Delaware had won, the Republicans would have had a vote to help on the major issues. Instead O’Donnell who had never won anything in her life was run, her campaign was mismanaged horribly & we handed that seat to the Demos. I’m glad you’re not running a war or you would lose on principle. You’re an extremist who refuses to see how to win a political battle. And if we don’t need candidates who are properly vetted we’ll end up with another loser like the one in Missouri who could have won if he had not made such a stupid statement saying that a woman who is raped can’t get pregnant. A high school student knows better. Another candidate who could have run but made a similar statement also lost in a winable race!. So you aren’t worried about vetting the candidates? Wake up & take the advice of Charles Krauthammer who said a good while back that the Democrats are focused on winning & the Republicans are focused on ideological purity & until they change they will keep losing. Dr. Krauthammer is one you need to study because you’re so misinformed that although I want more conservatives as anyone does I have to be realistic, something  you fail to understand!

        • n2woods

          @DavidStroud Notice that I said W ran as a conservative, not that he was one.
           
          I’m lumping people together because the reality remains real.  Conservatives win.  O’Donnell wasn’t supported.  Go ahead and use that one example to kill the party.  Romney lost.  You’re ignoring that fact.  McCain lost.  Dole lost.  Bush lost popular vote when he governed like a progressive.  Bush senior lost because he threw out Reagan’s people and followed a thousand points of lights.  Who are the real losers?
           
          I backed your candidate.  He lost.  Try backing our candidates.
           
          Who is the one who is really failing to understand here?

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @DavidStroud  @n2woods I’m not focused on ideological purity. I just don’t see any point in backing people who aren’t strong Conservatives for two reasons: 1) If they get elected they are useless, 2) They don’t get elected because Conservatives are put off by the process, and moderates are put off by millions of dollars of negative ads.

  • langdonad

    Rove and his RINO buddies are there to steal conservitive voters from the part y . He needs to crawl into the same hole with McCain and disappear with no pension or benefits.

    • wayne74467

      @langdonad
       Do you mind if they take Graham with them into the hole?

  • stevekoko

    Carl is the old guard, out with the old in with the new.

  • DocB2013

    There is a new news network for the people
    Whdt world news network it airs at 6pm and 11pm
    Or it can be watched over the net please let others know
    So that we can shut down the msm I have stopped reading papers and watching msm news it’s nothing more than propaganda to enforce their personal agenda
    http://usmediavault.com/WHDT.html

  • BarbaraJohnson

    So, what’s new? It seems that the we the people on the conservative side don’t get to pick them anyways. The GOP Establishment has been trying to tell us for years to vote for the Rino that they want in there.

  • PghVince

    That’s RINOs, NOT Rhinos!!
    Whichever way you swing, ya gotta admit the GOP (conservatives) needs a good swift kick in the ass, to get their brains back up in their heads where they belong, NOT in the toilet with ovomit!!!! ALL conservatives should be fighting to RID US of ovomit and his minions, by ANY means necessary!! BUT in order to do that, WE have to survive and become stronger, QUICKLY!!!!

  • Floyd_R_Turbo

    What Rove doesn’t seem to understand is that WHOEVER the Republicans pick will be smeared and demonized by the left and the main stream media.
    .
    Romney, McCain, Dole etc were all touted as being appealing to “moderates”, but after the left was done with them we might just as well have nominated a TRUE Conservative like Newt Gingrich…
    .
    By NOT allowing the best man to win the RINOs destroy other Republicans faith in the process. Turning around and saying “if you don’t vote for Romney you have just voted for obama” doesn’t cut any ice. There is a HUGE difference between voting for the lesser of two evils and voting for somebody who was nominated by a transparent and FAIR process.
    .
    Right now Rove might as well be working for the democrats because he isn’t doing us a lick of good.

    • wayne74467

      @Floyd_R_Turbo
       What you don’t understand is that whoever conservatives pick will be smeared and demonized by Rove and associates.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @wayne74467 What makes you think I don’t understand that?

      • PatrickFarrell1

        @wayne74467  @Floyd_R_Turbo  thats exactly right old rove is here for himself

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      @Floyd_R_Turbo
       
      Excuse me, Floyd.  Gingrich often introduces himself as a “Progressive”.  OFTEN.
       
      That would make him fit right in with the rest of the Republican leadership.  That is to say, he’s not a Constitutional Conservative.  He likes big government and big spending.
       
      He’s a smart guy, but he’s not a Constitutionalist.  Please prove me wrong.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @Jaycen I really don’t care WHAT Gingrich calls himself – I saw him push through real change when he was speaker, and that is the ONLY time I’ve seen a Conservative do anything even remotely as effective.
         
        I remember a RINO (Can’t remember who), saying that when Gingrich was speaker everything was “always on fire”…
         
        That’s what I want – somebody who will burn the old house down…

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @Floyd_R_Turbo
           
          I care, Floyd, because words have meaning.  Many people say that Nancy Pelosi was “effective”.  Are you thrilled with the result?
           
          Listen, man, I’m a big picture guy and I despise the details.  Still, I understand that when it comes to legislation, the details are all important.
           
          “Getting things done” is horrible if all the wrong things are getting done.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Jaycen If Nancy Pelosi had written and passed the “Contract With America” I WOULD be voting for her.
           
          What is it about the “Contract With America” that you have a problem with?

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @Floyd_R_Turbo
           
          Since she didn’t do that, you’ve set up a Straw Man logical fallacy.  Thanks for wasting my time (thinking I was debating someone who was intellectually honest).
          Regards,
           
          Jaycen

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Jaycen There are two separate thoughts here:
          1) If Nancy Pelosi had passed legislation that I thought was useful I would have voted for her.
          2) What part of the contract with america do you have a problem with?
           
          There is no “straw man” or any other kind of trick at work here.

  • bmene

    I’m a Conservative and refuse to let anyone pick who I vote for period. Rove could not even pick my  nose. I’m 78 and i”ve still got my mind and i will use it as i see fit

  • GeneralRabble

    I alone choose who I’ll vote for, and tricksters will not.
    Kind of him to identify the rino’s we need to NOT VOTE FOR
    with his every endorsement though.

  • JosephRCarreiroSr

    In 2014 mid terms many Democrats should go home for good and all RHINOS should leave also.We need to clean house in Washington as to get rid of the old ideas and get some young blood in Congress and only that really love our Country.If they will be hard to find then we have to turn over every rock until we dig them out and send them to Congress to work for us the American people and not for themselves as they have for the last 100 years or more.Look where it has gotten us.We need a clean slate and the slate now in Washington is dirty and broken.Think hard and use you 2014 vote as wisely as you can.Mind,soul and heart is the only way to go in 2014.No emotion can be used only facts.Check the facts.

  • bmene

    The Repubs need no more Jim Dandys just real leaders . Those old farts are on a different wave length than most now. It’s time for a change to a more youthful group of LEADERS .  I see this and I am 78

    • oldgreyandugly

      @bmene
       I agree, but if there were term limits we wouldn’t have this problem.
      Right now we do need a change in our representatives and senators as they have been so committed to lobbyists that even they can’t do what they want to do or should do.
      By the way… I as old as you are.

      • Sgt York

        @oldgreyandugly  @bmene Funny how great minds and old age think alike. LOL I agree with you that term limits are needed these guys make a life time drawing money for not doing what we the people want. Guess bid money talks and the home boy walk. Hay Gray have a great day see you later.

      • GeneralRabble

        @oldgreyandugly @bmene
        The problem with Term limits is the same as the problems with socialism. They both sound wonderful but don’t work. You will throw out what FEW good conservative politicians we have, and the fruits will fill the empty posts with nuts.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @GeneralRabble  @oldgreyandugly  @bmene Term limits works OK for the Presidency. I don’t think that we are so short of capable people that we have to trust our lives to a handful of “Messiahs” – that’s what democrats do.

        • GeneralRabble

          @Floyd_R_Turbo @oldgreyandugly @bmene. I would hate to throw out what few we have. The presidency is already term limited. A better way to term limit politicians would be to have them automatically removed the moment they vote contrary to their stated positions. Automatically arrested for violating their oath, the Constitution or the bill rights would be even better.

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @GeneralRabble  @Floyd_R_Turbo  @oldgreyandugly
           
          I take issue with this: “A better way to term limit politicians would be to have them automatically removed the moment they vote contrary to their stated positions.”
           
          Have you never changed your mind?  Have you never held a belief deeply, and then learned new information that complete changed how you thought or felt about a specific topic?
           
          Did that ever happen where you work?  Because if it did, you’re saying you should have been fired on the spot.  Think about it.
           
          We need more debate, more thought, not less.

        • GeneralRabble

          Jaycen. Then they’ll continue to tell us all one thing during the campaign, and then doing everything but what they told us after. No accountability at all. Not even subject to the laws they pass. Your vote is meaningless when you allow it to be perpetually stolen. Did you ever have and keep a job where you could do exactly what the boss told you NOT to do?

      • KennDillon

        @oldgreyandugly  @bmene The problem with term limits is that we will then force excellent men and women out of office.  Technically we do have term limits; they are called elections. Most of this discussion is about the problem  that there are entrenched deeeeep pockets in the D and R camps.  There is also the problem of apathy.  Most people who work all day are tired and they want to have their “life” and for most of them that “life” is not about politics.  Fortunately, with the internet more people can get more information with very little trouble, but then the problem becomes, who is putting out the information, and what biases are tempering that information;and as we have heard lately, one of the big communication problem can also arise with carriers such as Facebook putting their spin into the mix by not allowing certain information to cross their system.  All that being said, I do believe the Tea Party holds the answer, but we must decide that the Tea Party will stick to true Conservative values and not allow ourselves to be co-opted by the scent of money and power.

    • RhondaReichel

      @bmene It’s not the age….it’s the ethics…or lack of that is killing the GOP.

  • KennDillon

    It appears that we need to solidify a true conservative organization of our own, so that we can get true Conservatives on the ballot.  If they are not on the ballot, they will not win.  What we need is someone or group of someones who have the ability, time and financial wherewithal to work on a project to vet some true Conservative organizers who can work on vetting candidates. We have several newsletters on-line who can keep us informed and mobilized.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @KennDillon What’s wrong with the Tea Party?

      • lesstressrx

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @KennDillon Tea Party by their own definition is a group of Americans that want a more Constitutional Fiscally Conservative party. They have no leadership. They don’t want a leader. Very little succeeds without a strong leader. The Tea Party is pretty convoluted right now. I vote with them, but it just isn’t working now. They didn’t work to give us a good candidate that all could get behind during the primaries. Therefore they had 3 or 4 candidates that no one could agree on and the voting was fragmented. The republican establishment decided on Romney and stood behind him. The democrats stood behind Obama. Tea Party didn’t take a stand. Tea Party doesn’t have the money that the democrats and republicans have. Hard to win elections these days without big bucks. I have decided until the majority of the people are disgusted enough to do something about this mess it isn’t going to change. Now that the election is over people are getting back into their grove and life is going on. We can’t even get someone to fight for the 4 Americans in Benghazi that were murdered. With all the money and many of the people with a voice, you still hear little or nothing about this. Hilary Clinton, instead of being a murderer, may end up as President in 2016. Obama owes her and Bill for the help they gave him in the election.  It is dirty business. It will take a strong America to change what is going on now. We don’t have that right now. It will change in time, but there will need to be more from both parties that are sick too death of the our political system is being run before much happens.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @lesstressrx  @KennDillon OK, but I still think the Tea Party is in the early stages yet. I really don’t think that we need to have the very centralized party that we have had in the past if we use electronic media.
           
          I do know that the lefties are scared to death of the Tea Party. They know that the Tea Party is for real while “Occupy” was something the left cobbled together.

        • lesstressrx

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @KennDillon The Republicans are working hard to put the Tea Party out of commission. It is the Republicans that we need to be concerned about for the next election. They still have the money. Hopefully many will stop giving to the party and that will hurt them some. All great movements have had a leader. A strong leader. No one has that right now, but the democrats. With Santa Claus giving out free goodies that is hard to beat.  We need a strong leader, such as Reagan, but that doesn’t come along everyday. The best possible scenario would be the Republican party get back in line with the idea of small limited government, constitutionally & fiscally conservative driven. That may take some years, but with lots of Americans making an effort to stop the crazies going on in the party now it may happen.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @lesstressrx  @KennDillon   the LIBERTY party would be a better name for a new party.  I’m going to vote for the constitution party until we get something better going.  The GOP is DEAD

      • KennDillon

        @Floyd_R_Turbo Not a thing wrong with the Tea Party banner, other than right now one must ask, “which tea party?”
        From what I’ve seen the assorted groups using the Tea Party banner need to get together and organize into one solid party.  I haven’t been as active as I used to be the last few years since my wife and I became disabled, and I am her care giver; but when I was politically more active the biggest problem always seemed to be egos.  I don’t know for certain why there are so many Tea Party groups right now, but I suspect it may have something to do with leadership and egos.  I hope I’m wrong, because if I am wrong that would mean the various Tea Party groups could organize under one banner and achieve one focus quite readily.  If egos are the problem, those who are in leadership positions need to get on their knees and into their Bibles and seek wisdom and humility.
        The war we are in is not merely a political war, it is much bigger than that; it is a spiritual battle.

  • ByronPrice

    time for a conservative party, no more Romneys.

  • ByronPrice

    supposedly 3 million conservatives did not vote.

  • Glen2gs

    Forget the Republicans…Not a “dimes worth of difference” between them and the Democrats.
    What is needed is a 3rd party, there is common ground.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @Glen2gs I can’t remember a single time when a “third party” has done a damn bit of good.
       
      I really don’t believe that even the RINO wing of the Republican party finds that they have more in common with the democrats than they do with right wing Republicans.
       
      I think a lot of RINOs (like my Dad) would breath a sigh of relief if they could vote for a real Conservative. I remember back in 1988? my Dad said that he really wanted to vote for Buchanan but he didn’t think he could win.

      • RhondaReichel

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Glen2gs   Glen is absolutely right….the only reason 3rd party candidates can’t get traction is because most of the neocons are so brainwashed they are incapable of critical thinking…..you let Beck, Rush, OReilly, Coulter and the other numbskulls tell you what to do.

  • Seymour Kleerly

    Start a third party now. It’s your only hope.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @Seymour Kleerly Troll alert

      • Glen2gs

        @Floyd_R_Turbo  
        You must be talking about yourself,Turbo

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Glen2gs Starting a third party won’t work. We need to work within the Republican party for a fair and open nominating process. If Ron Paul wins then we will just have to go along with that. Carpetbombing other candidates with millions of dollars in negative ads is a pointless and expensive tactic. You might win – but you’ve alienated all your potential supporters.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Glen2gs The GOP. has been captured by the Right Wing Propaganda Hate machine and become non-credible to most of America. The louder and crazier the Right wing gets, the less powerful the GOP. becomes. I want a counter weight to the Far Left!!

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Glen2gs I don’t believe anyone who uses phrases like: “The Right Wing Propaganda Hate Machine”. There is nothing either hateful or crazy about the Conservative media – something that absolutely cannot be said about the left wing media. Go and peddle your papers elsewhere Seymour – I’m not buying…

        • PatrickFarrell1

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Glen2gs what the hell are you talking about.you sound like lefty

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Glen2gs
           Blah,blah,blah. You medication is in the kitchen Seymour. Hey, you still haven’t provided one clear liberal solution to Americas problems, yet you still here criticizing th opposition? Come on Mr. Kleerly didn’t you discuss this in therapy? Haven’t you had your break through yet?

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Glen2gs NOPE….I left the GOP and won’t turn back….too corrupt.  It stinks….and it’s establishment is full of maggots

  • tomno

    “and who can win”. this is the operative rove trash. the architect has cleverly twisted our beloved ronald reagan’s words. ronnie did not mean in the least a conservative who would do anything to win, including bow in his prinicples to the power brokers. this is why he was opposed by daddy bush (voodoo economics) and the rinos of his time, who then cried ronnie could NOT win. rove knows this history as clear as day. and yet he has the gall to distort ronnie’s words now when he needs him for the BIG SELL. he is a deceitful man, a power monger of the first order, not a ronnie type of conservative in the least.

  • DrBillLemoine

    Regular Republicans like Rove are cursing their luck. They’ve opened pandora’s box bringing extremists into the mainstream of conservative voting, especially primaries, and now want the genie back in the bottle. In local races the shrinking right can gerrymander and mobilize election of their candidates by pandering to that extremism. But the big prizes are automatically ruled out–president and Senate. Right wing policies supplant moderate policies of Rove and he can’t catch a break getting widely acceptable–meaning independents and Obama republicans–policies accepted by the base. So he now wants to cut off the Tea Party that sank Romney/Ryan and many Senatorial candidates last November.  Good luck with that. There’s no more ideological leader like William F. Buckley Jr. to do it. For the extremists, it’s Rush and Hannity, Trump and Beck nowadays. Don’t hold your breath.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @DrBillLemoine Look – we’ve tried nominating “moderates”. How about we have a fair and transparent nominating process – then everybody gets behind the nominee and let the chips fall where they may?

      • RhondaReichel

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @DrBillLemoine  Running moderates when the country wanted a real conservative was folly.  The more moderate the GOP becomes the less appealing they are to conservatives.   Running a Massachusetts liberal like Romney as a conservative was a bad joke

    • n2woods

      @DrBillLemoine Calling Rush an extremist gets my goat.
       
      Rush built an empire because so many people believe what he believes.  Your mindset will kill the Republican Party.  There is no following for anyone who you would support.  The numbers simply denounce your understanding.  All of those you mentioned have proven that many people follow their ideas.  Where are their counterparts?  You beliefs don’t match reality.  Conservatives prove that they hold the people’s heart.  You say that there are no leaders.  I say that you simply don’t like the conservative leaders.  There are many proven conservative leaders if moderates and big donors would back them.

      • RhondaReichel

        @n2woods  @DrBillLemoine  God help us if so many people believe him.  If that were true Romney would have won….instead Rush helped split the vote by endorsing a liberal masquerading as a conservative.

        • n2woods

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods  @DrBillLemoine Rush backed Romney once he was nominated.  I don’t know what you’re talking about.

        • RhondaReichel

          @n2woods  @DrBillLemoine  That is even MORE DISHONEST….first he bad mouths Romney then endorses him.  No integrity, no conviction, no WIN

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @n2woods  @RhondaReichel  @DrBillLemoine That’s true. Rush leaned about as far as he could towards Gingrich without actually endorsing him. Once Romney was the candidate Rush got behind him.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods  @DrBillLemoine When did Rush “Bad Mouth” Romney – Rush is very careful talking about Republicans.

      • RhondaReichel

        @n2woods  @DrBillLemoine Someone here said Rush never dissed Romney….I remembered hearing that he indeed did.  Here’s some quotes:
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/17/1027216/-WHY-Rush-Limbaugh-Disses-Mitt-Romney
         
        Ha ha he called Romney a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @DrBillLemoine
       What do you consider an extremist? Rush listeners are now extremists?

      • RhondaReichel

        @Benevolent Thinker  @DrBillLemoine  No…just extremely UNINFORMED.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @Benevolent Thinker  @DrBillLemoine Alright – who do you listen to?

  • GoawayBO

    “Rhinos”?! A “rhino” is a rhinoceros, Mr. DeMayo. It’s “RINOs,” …Republicans In Name Only = RINO

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @GoawayBO
       Sometimes I think this author likes to aggravate the anal retentive crowd. So what did you think about the article? Did a couple of extra h’s throw off your reason?

      • GoawayBO

        @Benevolent Thinker Managed to yank your chain, didn’t it?  ;)

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @GoawayBO  @Benevolent Thinker You couldn’t “yank his chain” if he tied it to the bumper of your Prius…

        • GoawayBO

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @GoawayBO  @Benevolent Thinker Talking to YOU, not him, numb-nuts. And I happen to drive  Lexus with a BIG-assed V-8.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @GoawayBO  @Benevolent Thinker Well I’m talking to YOU, numb-nutz, and I say you drive a PRIUS…

  • jimmylu

    While a  3rd party sounds great.  Remember what happened when Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party?   Is Rove on BHO’s pay roll? BHO want’s the destroy the GOP, Rove seems to ewant to help him.

    • RhondaReichel

      @jimmylu Yep I remember it well….the republicans had a come to Jesus moment and stopped spending like fools, made Clinton balance the budget and stayed reformed a few years longer.  Ross Perot did us all a favor.

  • gnafuasusual

    Speak to Rand Paul about this matter. Vet Rand Paul and you won’t find any meaningful skeletons hanging in his closet! Rand Paul just tried to put through a bill to stop the gifting of funds to rich dictators who never use the money for their people but stock war equipment and guns and ammo. Why else is the Muslim populace so angry with Americans? Obama keep sending funds to their dictators and the people never see any changes in their life styles. In other words, Americans (The President) are promoting rich dictatorship in Mid Eastern countries and the people are tired of it. Rand Paul’s bill was defeated 26-19 (all Republican votes!). I believe that if the Constitution of the United States would be followed, the Congressmen who voted to keep sending foreign aide to rich dictators would find that they are very irresponsible.  American Fighter Planes, MI Tanks and American funds is abetting the enemy. And, according to the Constitution, that is TREASON. As for Rove, he can stick his ideas. He once was useful but has proven to be a pain in the neck!  He gets his signals mixed up and causes far too much confusion. We do need a third party and I want Rand Paul (R-KY) Patriot to lead it. The Republican party has leaned too far to the Left and this helps us bring in this Third Party! Start now or it won’t be ready in time to help repair all that has happened these past four going on five years.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @gnafuasusual If we don’t send Egypt the cash we have abrogated the Camp David Accords. 1.5 billion is a lot of money but it is nothing compared to what a war between Israel and Egypt would cost us.

      • rgharry2

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @gnafuasusual 
        There will be war and funding Egypt and providing the Mohammedan Brotherhood tanks and fighters is really stupid; Camp Davids accords were and are monsterous. Send ALL Ismaelites back to Arabia.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @rgharry2  @gnafuasusual You may be right – but it is in our interest to NOT give Egypt an excuse. The Muslim brotherhood is already having problems governing Egypt…

      • RhondaReichel

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @gnafuasusual Why should a war between Israel and anybody cost us anything.  They are a sovereign country.  Let them stand on their own

    • RhondaReichel

      @gnafuasusual  I like Rand but his recent comment about backing Israel is troubling.  If WWIII breaks out over them bombing Syria recently let them fight that war.  They started it.

  • mudguy

    Carl Rove, John Boehner, Graham, MaCain, and Bill Kristol all need to go. Their advice have never won anything. Time to clean house. If we don’t we will lose in 2014.

    • mudguy

      I forgot to mention Reince Priebus he should be one of the first go. He hasn’t won anything.Why should the keep a  loser to lead the other losers. When has he ever had a winning idea.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @mudguy True. Rince simply doesn’t have the heft necessary to get these guys in line. Romney was a crappy candidate but he might make a pretty good RNC chairman.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @mudguy  Romney is a cheat and a habitual liar.  What he did during the primaries and convention should disqualify him for any position from now on.

        • mudguy

          @RhondaReichel  @Floyd_R_Turbo  You are wrong Romney was not a liar just a weak candidate. What did he lie about?

        • RhondaReichel

          @mudguy  @Floyd_R_Turbo   What DIDN’T he lie about….he changed positions more than the Kama Sutra.

        • mudguy

          @RhondaReichel  @Floyd_R_Turbo  Sorry but thats no answer. You sound like a tea drinking liberal.

        • RhondaReichel

          @mudguy  @Floyd_R_Turbo  Liberal huh….I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and Ron Paul in 2012…..YOU voted for the liberal Romney didn’t you?

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @mudguy I was mad as hell at Romney too. I even “liked” “Dogs Against Romney” on my Facebook page. But you have to remember the old Winston Churchill adage: “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons”.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @mudguy  @RhondaReichel He told several untruths about Newt Gingrich http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/03/gingrich-romney-is-lying/

        • mudguy

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @RhondaReichel I wasn’t happy with Romney either but anybody would have better than Obummer even Romney.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @mudguy  but Floyd there is another train of thought that goes “the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know”  I’m sure that’s why most democrats voted for Obama….because we didn’t offer them a true PEACE candidate.  That would have swung a multitude of them over.

        • mudguy

          @RhondaReichel  @Floyd_R_Turbo  The GOP failed to tell who the Devil was and what Devil was up to and how he was going to it.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @mudguy Romney is like Hillary….you can tell they are lying when their lips are moving

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @mudguy Romney had enough of a record that we knew who he was. The libtards voted for obama because they loved him – not because they were scared of Romney. Probably some moderates or Republicans were scared off Romney by negative ads.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @mudguy   It is well known that a lot of prominent democrats were very unhappy with Obama….mostly because of all the wars.  A peace candidate would have brought them over.  Instead we gave them a war mongering replica of Obama.

        • mudguy

          @RhondaReichel  @Floyd_R_Turbo  Wrong agin about Romney. You know Hillary and Obama are lying before they move their lips.

    • MARYANN33

      @mudguy Yes, to all.

    • JessePeterson

      @mudguy Neocons all.

  • rgharry2

    After 44 years of faithful, but often grudgingly, service to the Republican Party I switched to Constitutional on November 6.Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney do not inspire.

  • bcfeher

    We need to purge the party of these losers……see Joe Stalin!

  • RichardTaylor

    If the current Republican Party members would read their own platform, they would be more inclined to embrace the views of those “pesky” right-wing conservatives. I’ve spent some time helping to write platform planks for the local GOP so I’m familiar with what is in the platform. Rove and his buddies need to do some soul-searching or change their platform.

  • Hilly2

    And just why should anyone pay any attention to Rove? He’s nothing but a bitter little buffoon.

    • MARYANN33

      @Hilly2 Never trust the fat man…Emotional issues undealt with.

  • Fallschrimjaeger

    Get rid of Rove. He is a RINO of the first magnatude. Him and the sfb that are with him are ruining the GOP. With his kind selecting the GOP candidates, the democraps will remain in office for a long time.

  • n2woods

    I liked this article because it pointed out that the “Conservative” Victory Project is not that conservative.  Thanks for the heads up on another attempt to muddy the waters by another progressive.  I can work with Rove, as long as I know where he stands.  Either start a new party and back it with all your might in the hopes of doing what Lincoln did, or work within the party.  Its easy to denounce Rove, but he’s no liberal Democrat.

    • RhondaReichel

      @n2woods   He’s got the tremendous STINK of Dubya all over him.  That will never fade away for me.  The fact that the GOP even tolerates this idiot is enough to make me vote 3rd party.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @RhondaReichel  @n2woods W was a good man who should have been more Conservative. That doesn’t make him (or Rove) a bad man. If Rove tries to exclude Tea Party candidates – THAT makes him a bad man…

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @n2woods Baloney…W is a criminal, a liar, a coward, and a traitor

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods W flew F-102s – he is no coward.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @n2woods  Yep he flew alright….never in COMBAT

        • MARYANN33

          @RhondaReichel  @Floyd_R_Turbo   @n2woods Alcoholics like Bush have no fear.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @n2woods  Oh I remember well him landing on that carrier looking like he was wearing a cod piece with a big MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign …..what a farce !
          Did that send a tingle up your leg?  It made me retch.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods So? Flying an F-102 is not like taking Southwest to Las Vegas. They were very dangerous. Also – you have no way of knowing that he DIDN’T fly in combat. F-102s were deployed to Thailand during the Vietnam war – they may very well have fought Migs and we wouldn’t know about it.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @MARYANN33  @RhondaReichel  @n2woods Now you’re just being silly – Bush was NOT an alcoholic.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods That wasn’t a “cod piece” it was a flight suit. If you had bothered to listen to Ws speech you would see that he didn’t claim that the war was won – just that major combat operations were completed successfully.

        • donalde

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @RhondaReichel  @n2woods that is his goal nutalize the conseratives

        • donalde

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @RhondaReichel  @n2woods people that don’t like some one can make anything our of anything. if you don’t wish bust]h was back then you are part of the problem. he was not a marixs. the country was a country then in stead of obams the marixs play ground

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @n2woods  shock and awe….bombing THOUSANDS OF innocent citizens indiscreminately ….SICKENING SLAUGHTER for no good reason….yep real successful alright.

      • MARYANN33

        @RhondaReichel  @n2woods We must have a new party. Repubs threw in the towel to the democrats. They are no longer who they pretend to be. Rove lost us the election.

        • RhondaReichel

          @MARYANN33  @n2woods  Not just Rove, —Rush, Coulter, O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck….all of them that told the big lie that Romney could beat Obama….I knew he couldn’t before he was even nominated.  He’s too much LIKE OBAMA to ever beat him.  Why have a cheap replica when you can have the real socialist?
           
          What the heck was Romney care if it wasn’t socialism?

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @MARYANN33  @RhondaReichel  @n2woods You have your party – the Democrats. You should go and talk to them – I am done with you.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @MARYANN33  @n2woods Rush, Coulter, O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck…
           
          Please enlighten me – now that you have eliminated our entire bench – who do we have left?

    • MARYANN33

      @n2woods He is still our enemy. He gives us the losers. Get him out…We need the Tea Party..I liked Tea Parties since I was a kid….They go with my revolutionary blood.

    • donalde

      @n2woods sorry sir but i can not find  any trust in this rino period. he may not be a democrat but he is after the same goal. so you work with him by your self.

  • Geneww1938

    In this one world government you have the financial thieves [Soros. Rove. Clinton, Bush ... RINOs] and enforcement thugs [Obama, Emanuel, ... the Chicago thugs].    RHINO Rove has no problem taking out the World Trade Towers to prove  point, so why should he tolerate honest and legal individuals.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @Geneww1938 Please provide evidence that Karl Rove was responsible for 911

      • MARYANN33

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Geneww1938 It is enough that he was responsible for spend our money Bush…and settle his daddy’s dispute with Saddam

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @MARYANN33  @Geneww1938 So you admit that Rove WAS NOT responsible for 911?

      • RhondaReichel

        @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Geneww1938  Not responsible…just complicit

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @Geneww1938 Complicit with whom? AlQaeda?

        • RhondaReichel

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @Geneww1938  It was Israel.  Everyone knows Mossad was there celebrating during 9/11.  Bush admin was complicit with them.  It was a false flag.  The ones in the explosives in the van that got arrested went on TV in Israel and said they were there to witness the event.  Duh?

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @Geneww1938 What makes you think that the Mossad has this kind of capability? Don’t you remember the USS Liberty where the Israeli torpedoes didn’t explode because they were fired too close to the Liberty for them to arm?
           
          If even one tiny thing had gone wrong Israel would suddenly be faced with their ONLY military ally and their ONLY source of foreign aid suddenly turned into an enemy…
           
          I’m willing to believe that the Mossad knew that it was going to happen – but I don’t think they knew when, and I don’t think they knew precisely how, anymore than the US did.

      • Geneww1938

        @Floyd_R_Turbo There are more than a dozen books  and numerous hours of documentaries on this subject proving the symmetry and rate of building collapse plus the over abundance of dust proves the building did not fail as stated. seismic data does not confirm their cover story.  Too many planes were properly positioned to catch the surprise event on film and frame by frame analysis show a bright flash before each plane hit.  Our CIA trained Osama in the 80’s in Jihad to fight the Russians and you know how inexpensive and easy it is to motivate and recruit Jihadist to do what they did.  Computer simulations prove remote piloting was required to make such a high “g” turn and hit so precisely and it could not have be done by untrained pilots.   Need more … search out the data.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Geneww1938 Why does it need to be any more complicated than it is?
           
          Are you saying that airliners DIDN’T fly into the World Trade Center? What would be the advantage of blowing up the World Trade Center with a bomb and then pretending that it was brought down by airliners?
           
          If a bomb was required to bring the WTC down why wouldn’t they just do that and let AlQaeda take credit? AQ DID try to bomb the WTC in 1993 and almost succeeded.
           
          I’m not following how blaming Karl Rove for 911 helps us – it just makes us look crazy.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Geneww1938  @Floyd_R_Turbo   Yes that’s right….Sibel Edmunds  a CIA translator testified in congress that bin Laden was on the payroll all the way up to 9/11.  She also reported transmissions months ahead that planes would be flown into the towers.  They were ignored.  Al Qaeda was the cover but Mossad actually did it.

        • NannyB

          @Geneww1938  @Floyd_R_Turbo Perhaps what you say is true though I think not…so how does that help those of us that know our country is being sold down the pooper while we pay for it?  How do we correct what is wrong with our government?  How do we get these hapless creatures that call the holes they live in “political offices” to come out, see the light and grow spines?  We cannot recall “911” so let us try to prevent more of the same from happening instead.  Why not try to get someone strong enough to push for impeachment of many in our government…not only OB but people like Pelosi.  Let’s start somewhere.  I for one, however, have no idea how to do it.  These forums are good but they only let us feel better after venting our anger at what we know is going on.  There are many here smarter than I…so tell me….tell us!

    • Joe lettieri

      @Geneww1938 This country is all fxxked up because of idiots like you.Who is the honest and legal individuals you refer to ? It couldnt be ,No,not Obama and the rest of the crooks.GAG,Rove responsible for the Trade Center Disaster? I cant believe you said that..

      • Geneww1938

        @Joe lettieri Did you read the article?  Todd lost because the RINOs advertized against him … Bachmann nearly loss for the same reason.  Now they are trying to pull her out of the committee because she is too tough on Muslim terrorists.  RINOs are against all Tea Party Patriots because they defend our constitution while RINOs are working for the One World Government [Builderbergs own the UN that owns the world Bank hence IMF].  Look-up ‘NeoCon’. 
        Our country is in a mess because it has rejected God and Satan is filling the void.  Life is too short and eternity too long to be wrong about God, His Bible, Jesus, or salvation.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @Geneww1938  @Joe lettieri So we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because we want to go easy on muslim terrorists?

      • RhondaReichel

        @Joe lettieri  @Geneww1938  Nobody is actually saying Rove was responsible….just in on it.  Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were the main ones responsible.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @RhondaReichel  @Joe lettieri  @Geneww1938 My recollection is that Bush 41 pissed off Israel by saying something about AIPAC. Why would Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld suddenly decide to kill thousands of American citizens to help Israel?

  • Robert2469

    Karl, what happened? Did someone shoot your rabid dog with one of those evil black guns? You should pack up and leave the tough work of righting this great ship of Constitutionally Governed Citizens to us real Americans.

  • jbhockey78

    Why is anybody giving this man any creditablity  when he blow it bad on the election ,saying that romey would win  big .Then he still when the election was over still told people that romey would still win. This is the person that the party wants to help them win . I am happy say I am not a fan of either one party’s

    • RhondaReichel

      @jbhockey78  Ask FOX news…..why do they have this fool on nearly every one of their shows?

    • MARYANN33

      @jbhockey78 He blew it bad on the Bush administration…Karl was Bushes advisor…

    • Joe lettieri

      @jbhockey78 Why dont you learn how to talk?

      • donalde

        @Joe lettieri  @jbhockey78 sorry joe get a hearing aid

      • celi65

        @Joe lettieri  @jbhockey78
         Why are you so disrespectful and mean?  You understood jbhockey78’s premise.

      • jbhockey78

        @Joe lettieri
         Why don’t tell your  democrate party bosses that if they keep trying to trash me on sites like this.It  does not shut me up and having people like  putting me down and not telling me where I am wrong at.It does not work either.Or try to call me conspiracy nut and not telling where I am wrong does not work . A person name Mr logical try that with me.I clean him out very good and put him in his place.I got idea for you next time if  you dont like a person here,wo you disagree with it is best to instead of putting them down.Why don’t you say where the person is wrong about .But nice try anyway  on make me look stupid .That is  a rich liberal who can’t debate on anything .Thinks that by putting  down people  that is a way to win a debate . Because they got nothing to say on sites like this.Because they are  clueless on any intelligent thoughts on any issue. They do always have worthless opinions .Learn that putting down people and being a smart butt does more damage to your creditable . That is nothing more then being close minded and being a coward. I am sure you are one of those people,who think what happen in sandy hook was real right. Better yet you think that the goverment could do no wrong on Waco, Texas and what happen to Randy Weaver . Next time be careful  who you put down. It does not help you at all

  • Bisley

    If conservatives can’t drive the liberals from the Republican leadership, the party will self-destruct and become irrelevant in another cycle, or two. Too many of us are tired of having a choice forced upon us between a “R”, who would have been classed as a liberal Democrat forty years ago and a “D”, nearer to communist. This practice of the party elite anointing their own as candidates and failing to give party support to conservative Republicans is precisely why the “R”s lost the last two presidential elections and control of the Senate. People won’t continue to support a political party that doesn’t represent them.

  • RhondaReichel

    If Turdblossom is for them….I will vote against them

  • J Joy

    Frankly, I’m glad I dumped my Republican designation recently – they don’t represent what I think and feel anymore. I’m not sure what has happened to these guys but if the Republican Party is all about fighting amongst themselves instead of fighting for America, I want no part of them.  We already have the Democrats who don’t want to fight for America, they only want their way.  I am not impressed with any of this political crap anymore but unfortunately we can’t seem to live without it because they won’t leave us the hell alone.

  • davienne

    the Bilderberg group attendee.. karl rove… they have been picking the candidates for decades…

    • NannyB

      @davienne yes, you are right AND…do you really think that the Bilderberg group is folding tent???   Not in your life until they get what they want.  They got it with OB when the elections was rigged up and down and sideways.  Don’t tell me that… OB won over ALL of Phila…..that 116% of a polling station in St. Lucie County, Fla. voted (for whom???) and that all those lovely computerized machines that defaulted to OB were by accident etc, etc., that America had spoken!!!  Naw…it was the union thugs, the cheats and liars and all those that got their palms greased to vote for those in the grave and in prison that put OB over the top.  Until the good people of our country learn to fight fire with fire all will be lost.  It is a good thing to turn the other cheek until you find out that what you turned that “cheek’ from has been taken by the government for the betterment of the “gimme” crowd.  We had all better wake up instead of faulting people for poor typing, bad spelling and poor sentence construction.  We need to stick together…not pull each other apart.  I believe that is just what they are trying to do and from reading some of your posts, I think they are winning on that ground too.  We need to help each other…not knock us all down like ducks in a row.

      • davienne

        @NannyB
         i say let them pick the republicrats… because IMO the 3rd party conservative is on the rise.. they will just be beating a dead mule….

    • celi65

      @davienne

    • celi65

      @davienne
       While attending the Bilderberg meeting, why wasn’t Rove informed about who would win the presidency?

      • davienne

        @celi65
         the bilderberg picked romney and rubio… romney didnt pick rubio, he got on the sh** list…
        in 08 the bilderberg told hitlery to step aside for BHO… she was ahead in all fazes, she said that she wasnt going to run in 2012 because [and i quote] ” it isnt my time, 2016 is my time “…. the bilderberg group have already picked their candidate to win… and it is HITLERY CLINTON….

    • RhondaReichel

      @davienne   Ha ha ha…the Bilderbergs  wanted Perry but he was just as stupid as Dubya in the debates so they settled for the flip flopper.  Actually they own both parties so what do they care which of them win?

      • lesstressrx

        @RhondaReichel  @davienne I have no idea what you know about Rick Perry but no one in the establishment wanted him. Rove can’t stand him and the Bushes feel the same way. He won’t play their games. Rove and the Bush’s said they would stop him from the beginning. Hannity even question Rove about it. He lied of course. He promised to reduce Washington and send the Congressmen home more often. He would fight all this Muslim stuff going on. He had been vetted. He knew how to close the borders. Establishment republicans don’t want any of these things to happen. He has been Governor of Texas a long time and never have we seen him have the communication problems he had when the debates started. We want a perfect candidate and mistakes aren’t allowed. Sean Hannity pushed hard for Mittens and wouldn’t even let Perry on his show most of the time. What many don’t know is that he had major back surgery a week before he put his name in for President and didn’t realize what pain he was going to be in. If he had been part of the “Establishment” they would have protected him and let people know what was going on. After he left the field, he admitted he should have waited to have surgery after the election/primary. I am not saying he was the best candidate, I am just saying, the party does not like him. He was a true Tea Party person and once he made a few blunders, a few big blunders, the Tea Party decided to start supporting Santorum. The Social Conservatives decided Rick Santorum would be better, however, Rick never claimed to be a Fiscal Conservative.
        That’s just a little background for those who did not know. You can be sure the mainstream media wouldn’t explain what was going on behind the scenes and the RINO’s fought hard to keep him away from Washington. Funny thing to me, lots and lots of people these days talk about moving to Texas. He had done a pretty good job there. I wish Tennessee had a Governor with half his conviction. We don’t.
        I would certainly prefer Perry over King Obamie…I am pretty sure he is not stupid. He did make a bad judgment call about his health, but you can’t have the success he has in Texas and be stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NoYouCantHaveMyGuns Patriot Games

    All the more reason to support the Tea Party candidates!

    • MARYANN33

      @Patriot Games Yeah Tea Party…Let our voice be heard…Get Obozo out now…

  • Ron1a

    Rove is a Rhino republiCRAT who sways more left than right. He helped lose the election by telling the world that Romney would win with no problem – so, many Republicans and other conservatives didn’t vote, why should they when Rove said it would be a ‘big’ win.???? Kick him and the other Rhino’s out of DC. We need a new batch in there with some common sense and who support their constituents instead of their bank account. Fox is losing credibility by having this guy on.

    • MARYANN33

      @Ron1a Please Please tell Fox news no more Karl and no more Shepherd Smith…Too many gays in our face.

      • lesstressrx

        @MARYANN33  @Ron1a Fox News has changed. It really started happening during the election. Right after the election, Hannity came out and said the republicans should start working to help illegals. He said that cost us the election. Please…..
        Santa Claus is what cost us the election and seniors along with Christians stayed home. interesting they had the most to loose so now they have Obamacare and death  panels.
        Fox loves Rove and Shepherd along with many other liberals. O’riellly really loves the liberals. Don’t look for Fox to support conservatism anyway soon, at least, no more than it is doing now.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @lesstressrx  @MARYANN33  @Ron1a Ummm. I’m thinking Fox is pretty Conservative – what is to the right of Fox?
           
          Maybe Glen Beck…

        • lesstressrx

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @MARYANN33  @Ron1a You are right it is the best we have for now. Beck is better but not on all TV’s right now. But don’t be fooled, Fox is no longer fair and balanced. They are leaning left more everyday. I believe I heard last year that George Soros bought into it.

        • JessePeterson

          You hate Shammity? Then you must be an anti-Semite.  ;-)

        • Richard William Faith

          @lesstressrx  @Floyd_R_Turbo   @MARYANN33  @Ron1a
           Because of human weakness, the following algebraic formula sadly works much of the time:
          1 (nice person) + (MONEY) = 1 (prostitute)
          This may very possibly have happened in the case of Fox News.

        • Bull57

          @Floyd_R_Turbo @lesstressrx @MARYANN33 @Ron1a I think Fox once was conservative, but not any more. Oriel’y makes me sick. His snorting and just condescending attitude. I have not watched TV news since Nov 6 and I quit drinking the same day. I go to talk radio now.

        • RhondaReichel

          @lesstressrx  @Floyd_R_Turbo   @MARYANN33  @Ron1a Murdoch is a globalist.  Saudi prince owns a large portion of that network too

        • lesstressrx

          @JessePeterson If you are speaking to me, I never said I hated anyone, and you can be more than sure I support the Jewish community 100%.
          I only said, and I will repeat, “O’Reilly supports liberals” although he would never admit it. He claims to be libertarian. I doubt that.

  • adamenochnoah

    Rove is an enemy of the Constitution & the American people.

  • MARYANN33

    The Bilder Beasts on the Move…Karl Rove is the problem. A Free country is the answer….Rise up people. Let senate and congress know we will no longer tolerate their collusion…

    • donalde

      @MARYANN33 yehaaaa this lady is on the ship

  • SATCHMOJAZZ

    You are correct.  Mr. Rove doesn’t understand conservatism and its draw for both conservatives and INDEPENDENTS alike.  That is why we lost in November.  That is why we lost in 2008.  The Republican base has eroded because of the continued pressure to favor RINO candidates,  pushed by Mr. Rove.
     
    Once and for all!  Goldwater did NOT lose because he was a conservative!  Repeat it over and over, Mr. Rove.  I was in the middle of that election, and said at the time that he should not run, but should wait four years because NO Republican could win in 1964.  There was a pall over the nation, still mourning the assassination of President Kennedy . . . Republicans and Democrats alike.  No one was voting for Lyndon Johnson . . . or against Barry Goldwater.  They were voting FOR John F. Kennedy’s memory and Camelot.  The RNC and Mr. Rove need to be more sensitive to what people REALLY felt back then instead of  plodding along pushing moderates over and over.  Take a look around, Mr. Rove!  Try to be sensitive to what people are feeling now and why they stayed home rather than go to the polls . . . maybe to show their resentment of the EXCLUSIONS at the RNC convention, i.e.  Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Knute Gingrich, Ron Paul, the Tea Party and on and on.  Just what didn’t you understand about Ronald Reagan’s preferred big tent?

    • donalde

      @SATCHMOJAZZ mr rove has an agenda just like obama. diffrent siut just so you can tell the diffrence.

      • Floyd_R_Turbo

        @donalde  @SATCHMOJAZZ You don’t think there is any difference between obama and Rove?

    • katitan

      @SATCHMOJAZZ You have nailed it all in 2 paragraphs…I remember my parents going to the Goldwater convention in 1964 while we were living in California. I believe that the only reason why Reagan was nominated was because the reining RINO’s underestimated his conservative leaning and assumed he was on board with the rest of them! Reagan probably gave them a run for their money, and the RINOs are probably trying very hard to not ‘accidentally’ allow another True Conservative get nominated.

    • JihadaGilcrease

      @SATCHMOJAZZ
       I also was in the middle of the Goldwater campaign.  My three years old daughter and I both cried when Mr. Goldwater lost.   The GOP has to stay my party so I can vote in Texas, but I will be voting independent from now on.  Would I ever vote for a Democ-RAT?  Absolutely not!

    • Richard William Faith

      @SATCHMOJAZZ
       Is it truly the case that Rove “doesn’t understand conservatism and its draw for conservatives and independents alike”, or is it the case that Rove is affirmatively and pro-actively working as a high-level stooge for globalist organizations?  This is a question that needs an answer, and that answer, once discovered through diligent investigation, must be EXPEDITIOUSLY disseminated to all Americans.

      • Bull57

        @Richard William Faith @SATCHMOJAZZ I believe Rove is just picking people he thinks that can get elected and raise money for. Yes a lot of them are rhinos, but that’s who he thinks are electable. We have to break that string of Rinos and get some true conservatives to step into the ring!

        • Richard William Faith

          @Bull57  @Richard  @SATCHMOJAZZ
           So, he’s more incompetent than malicious?  Either way, he’s problematic.

  • Bull57

    Been a republican since I voted for jimmy boy. I’m ready to register independent as I am so fed up with all the rhinos we send to Washington. I’m from Oklahoma so I’m better off than most I guess.

  • ChiefGator

    I don’t know that I necessarily support Karl Rove picking the candidates to run for office, but at least someone is trying to do something about ridding us of the vast majority of RINOs in Congress.  The sooner someone figures out a way to get rid of McCain, McConnell, Boehner, and the rest of their ilk, the better off this country will be.  It’s sickening to see all of them supposedly touting Republican ideals and then giving in to the Democrats at the first sign of a challenge to their remaining in office.  I say sweep out the entire Congress and start from scratch — we sure as hell couldn’t do any worse than we are now.

    • donalde

      @ChiefGator  sir you got it alittle wrong he does not like consratives an that leaves you wtth samo samo- rino’s just like what we had to vote for last 2 elections.

      • Joe lettieri

        @donalde  @ChiefGator Why dont you learn how to spell?

        • ChiefGator

          @Joe lettieri  @donalde Why don’t you learn how to bend over and kiss my *ss!

      • ChiefGator

        @donalde I’m just tired of all of those in Congress right now, especially those who claim to be Republican and act and vote like Democrats.  I’m 65 and have never voted anything but Republican in my life but that may change the next election.

        • Floyd_R_Turbo

          @ChiefGator  @donalde Will you vote for a democrat?

        • ChiefGator

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @donalde I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat if the devil himself rose out of hell and ran as the Democrat’s opponent.  I’m waiting for a third party that cares about taking back American and is large enough to win the election.

        • EmilGray

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @ChiefGator  @donalde
           There is NO WAY I’m voting for ANY Democrat including RINO Republicans (in Primaries). Sadly, the way things are unless real Conservatives are in the General Elections we all are forced to hold our noses. The alternative is too gruesome to contemplate. Those who do not show up to vote or “vote your conscience” (you know who you are including the Libertarian voters) are complicit in electing the Obamas, Reids and Pelosis that infest our current crop of “leaders”. Thank you for proving a point. How is it working out for you?

        • Richard William Faith

          @Floyd_R_Turbo   @ChiefGator  @donalde
           A Democrat who has no ties whatsoever to globalism, and who is committed to NEVER have any such ties, is more worthy of my vote than any Republican who has such ties; nevertheless, this is all academic.  If there should ever BE a Democrat who abstains entirely from such affiliations, we will be able to recognize him by his hen’s-tooth pendant (and possibly hen’s-tooth earring(s)) as well.  BTW, if my use of parentheses seems a little strange to you, it’s because I think that the rules for parentheses in mathematics make a lot more sense than the rules for parentheses in English composition.

  • donalde

    mr rove you will not pick shit for me an i’ll give to any one your aginst.

  • Graywolf12

    The only reason my wife and I remain registered Republicans is so we can vote in the primary elections. Rove  shood look at what happened here in Texas when they ran a RINO against the TEA party candidate for Senate. Ted Cruz beat the RINO, and then won the state wide election. Carl is just upset that his candidates are losers.

  • Inspiri

    John DeMayo: finally an analysis free of demogoguery, and hyperboly. I actually learned something from this blog. Though I disagree, one man cant influence the general election. Case in point; the decline of Norquist. Bottom line is Rubio will serve 2 terms. That might conservatives best shot at shifting politics. Oh and please don’t put him in same category as McCain; the worst politician in history.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @Inspiri Obviously the worst politician in history is obama.

    • RhondaReichel

      @Inspiri Rubio….Mr AMNESTY.  No way.  He’s not even eligible.  His parents weren’t citizens yet when he was born.  Little neocon progressive creep.  Conservatives will NOT vote for Rubio either.

    • Richard William Faith

      @Inspiri
       As much as I like Rubio as a person, I yet insist that he should NEVER run for President, because he fails the Vattel Criterion for natural-born American citizenship.  The reason WHY THIS MATTERS is that any time conservatives or Republicans knowingly promote someone of questionable eligibility for the Presidency, they LEGITIMIZE OH-VOMIT or the likes of him.  What this country desperately needs right now is to have the Vattel Criterion EXPLICITLY WRITTEN into the Constitution (by the amendment process), RATIFIED, and then METICULOUSLY ENFORCED, FOREVER.  That’s our ONLY POSSIBLE WAY to prevent ANOTHER “OH-VOMIT”.  This DESPERATELY NEEDED legal maneuver CANNOT HAPPEN if Rubio is allowed to run for President.
      One more important point here: Rubio has been (and probably still IS) a SELF-PROCLAIMED MEMBER of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations; David Rockefeller’s official ANTI-US-SOVEREIGNTY CLUB).  If he would come forward and CONFESS and REPENT of this egregious error of his ways, THEN he might BECOME a truly GOOD Senator, and worthy of an extended career in public service; BUT OTHERWISE NOT.

    • JessePeterson

      Rubino, a Reconquista in sheep’s clothing. He blocked all illegal alien bills when he led the Florida House.

  • MichaelBurch

    Rove is an idiot…then entire RNC is stuck on stupid…they have not learned a THING IN THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS

    • jlanghals34

      @MichaelBurch   Michael,I was thinking of the things I was going too say,thanks,you did it for me !

    • JessePeterson

      @MichaelBurch That moron still thinks that ugly brown squat monster invaders are natural Republicans.

  • JihadaGilcrease

    I am very angry with the GOP.  I am a conservative not a moderate. Moderates are so eager to take the middle of the road; they do not want to upset the Democ-RATS or be seen as not able to compromise. 
     
    I am surprised that Mr. Boehner has not kissed the hand of the Obama. It is time to stop compromising.   Tell Obama NO, but HELL NO! on anything that does not comply and conform with Republician Morals and Standards.
     
    If we go down, let it be fighting!

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      Boehner DID kiss obama’s ring. Don’t you remember him saying: “We need you to lead us Mr President”…

  • Bull57

    All Rove is doing is selecting republicans that have a chance to win in a general election. Yes, I must admit entirely to many rhinos! I don’t have the answers, but we have to start slipping in a few more true conservatives. I personally will not vote for any incumbent in the primaries and general election. That’s from local to national candidates!

    • Richard William Faith

      @Bull57
       Winners who LOSE elections are infinitely more valuable as patriots than LOSERS who WIN ELECTIONS.  We have reached and then long passed by the tipping point: Congress is currently almost ALL losers.  ELECTED losers.  Those of us who KNOW BETTER, and VOTED AGAINST them, suffer under their rule all the same, right along with those who elected them.  How is this fair?  How is this good?  HOW IS THIS TOLERABLE?

      • Bull57

        @Richard William Faith I agree with everything you wrote. I am so frustrated. with the uninformed voters that I could scream. Elections seem to be won by 1or 2 30 second sound bites from TV. Ask a democrat why they voted for Obama and I would bet most would only can give 1 reason and that reason is probably a lie from the TV.

  • fromusa

    Rove was Bush’s advisor in1996 when we lost the Senate and the House to the Dems.

  • fromusa

    Rove was senior advisor to Bush in 1996 when Repubs lost both the Senate (6 seats) and the House to the Dems. And not one Dem seat in either part of congress was lost. That is some record for Rove, a born loser.

  • DEfromDC

    Karl Rove is a political has been.  He is a RINO probably financed by Soros.  I don’t think anyone contributing to his super pac will admit it because they all must be Dems.

  • Richard William Faith

    This appeal goes out to EVERYONE who plans on attending ANY public appearance by any office incumbent and/or any candidate seeking election or re-election:
    PLEASE ask the person about his relationship with “any or all of the following”: Bilderberg Group, CFR, Global Union, Trilateral Commission, North American Union, International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, Open Society Institute, Tides Foundation, Center for American Progress, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, soro$, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger
    IF THAT PERSON indicates ANY RELATIONSHIP with ANY of the above, SHOUT AS LOUD AS YOU CAN: PEOPLE, WITNESS THIS!  THIS PERSON is IN with the COALITION OF GLOBALISTS whose MISSION is to DISSOLVE OUR SOVEREIGNTY!  WHATEVER YOU DO, NEVER VOTE FOR THIS PERSON!
     
    MAKE SURE that EVERYONE PRESENT hears EVERY WORD YOU SAY, and EVERY WORD SAID BY THE SUBJECT PERSON.  If he tries to answer quietly, REPEAT EVERYTHING HE SAYS, LOUD AND CLEAR.  The public has a desperately urgent NEED TO KNOW.

    • Floyd_R_Turbo

      @Richard William Faith I speak for the Bilderburg Group and I ORDER you to cease and desist defaming our organization FORTHWITH – or there will be consequences!!!
       
      Which I can’t tell you what they will be – because that’s secret…

      • Richard William Faith

        @Floyd_R_Turbo
         LOL!  MOLON LABE!

    • Buckeye8

      Very good post.  We need a good 3rd party with no connection to anyone in office now.

    • jlanghals34

      @Richard William Faith Good luck with that,they are all enginneered by these groups to run for political office. Ovomit was selected.,when he was smoking dope !

    • RhondaReichel

      @Richard William Faith  you are wise Richard.  Very true.  A point most voters don’t know or don’t care about but it makes all the difference.

  • Beedogs2

    NO!  NOT “Rhino”.  RINO = Republican in name only.  Not “gun clips”, gun magazines.  Not “Marshall Law”, it is Martial Law.
     
    The dumbing down of the USA is bad enough without conservatives joing in.

  • JessePeterson

    That fat slob Rove gets paid millions to lead us astray and sell out our nation..

  • Buckeye8

    The repubs never learn.  Big money just picked Romney and Faux news had all of their followers believing he would win in a landslide but they forgot one simple thing when we the 99% and especially we the 47% goes in the voting booth we will not be voting for the big money liars.  Enough said.

    • DeaconG

      @Buckeye8  Romney did win. The fact of the matter is the Senate and House know it and have no testicles to fight. I refuse to donate time or treasures to the republicans ever again.  You clowns on the Gubment Dole make me sick. Get off you butt and EARN a dang living we don’t owe you people squat. Obama is a demonic pos and GOD will take him to account, I pray Very Soon !

  • Inspiri

    The primaries is both a curse and a blessing in our democracy. Does anyone else agree we need to protest Citizens United, and kick lobbyists of our congressmans’ WALLETS!!???

  • Marc Jeric

    A RINO advising other RINO losers.

    • Inspiri

      @Marc Jeric. What I struggle with is congress taking extreme positions. Meaning, here is my idea; I will never consider yours. Worse, I will perennially campaign against you. I know some/most here want revolution, but in the 40 yrs prior to last decade, sh!t got done. And sometimes, we came together to run a surplus. How does that square with all this rhino talk?

  • Dodie1990

    The religious whack jobs like Santorum,Huckabee, Akinand,Murdoch are going to destroy the Party. Their insistence on abolishing Planed Parenthood, abolishing all reproductive choice,and abolishing birth control are a religious zealotry that makes them and the party unelectable. Many Republicans find this religious obsession with restricting women’s reproductive choice objectionable. And this stance does nothing to attract women to a party rominated by men who want to control women.

    • jem

      @Dodie1990 I’m as much for freedom as the next person if not more so.  However, you “pro-choice” people forget an inconvenient FACT.  Abortion is murder.  It would be nice if it were otherwise, but human life begins at conception.  If you claim a fetus is not human, then what species is it?  if you claim a fetus is not ALIVE, then you are stating it is dead.  A human fetus is just that, HUMAN.  Unless there are medically extenuating circumstances, disposing of that life is murder.  I’m not unreasonable.  if a pregnancy puts a woman’s life in danger, then an abortion (in my mind) would be justified.

      • Dodie1990

        @jem 8The Republican war on women’s reproductive rights continues.while forcing all pregnancies to term is the goal,then abandon the woman and her new child, the Republicans will try to end welfare and free medical that the unlimited population growth they want requires. Why do men always try to force women tocomply with their religious beliefs?

        • jem

          @Dodie1990  @jem it isn’t religion.  it’s a simple scientific fact and the LAW.  Murder is illegal.  I’m not forcing any women to spread their legs.  I’m not denying any woman contraceptives.  That would be mixing religion with politics to which I am opposed.  The women of America have options and I will defend those options.  They are:  (1) keep the legs shut.  (2) Use birth control.  (3) Adoption.  (4) keep the child and raise it.   The issue of money is a non-issue.  There are plenty of childless couples who would willingly PAY the expenses to have a child, and more.    This has been the case for  a long time.  You sound like a liberal.  I never took a dime from the govt to raise my children.  I have been employed almost nonstop since I was 13 years old. 
          Frankly, if you can’t afford children, you should not be reproducing.  If you cannot afford contraception, great, keep your legs shut or (shudder) GET A JOB.
          Welfare is FORCED charity, which I do not believe in.  Americans are more than generous, especially when the govt isn’t picking our pockets.  I am a regular giver to charities, mostly domestic, and occasionally foreign.  I do my part.  Again, this isn’t a religious belief.  It is a matter of scientific fact and the LAW.  Abortion is murder.  If you don’t like it, follow one of the three options above.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @Dodie1990  @jem It’s not “reproductive” rights.  It’s SEX.  And with sex comes RESPONSIBILiTY.  If you don’t want to reproduce, then it is your responsibility not  to get knocked up in the first place.  Free birth control is keeping your knees together!

        • Dodie1990

          @jem I am not a loberal. I am a 65 years old male Goldwater Republican. Since my party has been hijacked by the religious zelaots who are only concerbned with restricting women’s reproductive choices, I have become a Libertarian. Perople have sex be cauise it feels good. sometimes unplanned pregnancies occur. No one should have to be pregnant if they do not want to. i am sick of men forcing their religious restrictions on women. As a taxpayer, I find birth control cheaper than welfare. At any rate , this focus on religious issues will make the Republicans a pernmanent minority. I have never voted for a Democrat, but I will never vote for a religious phony lke Santorum.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @Dodie1990  @jem Good point.  So you believe we should just execute any kids that have a parent on welfare?  Wow! Now that’s progressive!

        • DeaconG

          @Dodie1990  @jem Dodie. I assume you have Murdered your Own Spawn from what you are saying with no remores what-so-ever. God has a special place for liberal murderes like yourself. H E L L is waiting, don’t keep the reaper waiting, I’ll pitch in the Two Copper Coins for the FerryMan.

        • Don39

          @Dodie1990  @jem You nstgupid twit there was no Republican war on women! And there never has been . only you leftist kool aid drinkers even buy any of that garbage, just like the racil bias crap that is indeed the pervue of the leftist movement and the old Democrat Party before that. You are just a stupid leftist puppet and if you had any real education you would hide in shame.

        • Don39

          @Dodie1990  @jem Your words say you are an amoral liar. Amoral people can lie with impunity or so they think and that is the mark of the left.

    • jlanghals34

      @Dodie1990  Dodi,they aren’t wearing Burka’s yet.!

      • Dodie1990

        @jlanghals34 If Santorum had his way they certainly would.

        • Don39

          @Dodie1990  @jlanghals34 Stupid!

    • ginger

      @Dodie1990
       Yeah..the “party’ is doing just fine eh???? the Rinos have ruined it and may as well be democrats themselves…they are liars and cowards. They will say anything to get elected and promptly get on with enriching themselves and to heck with the people…those who are true conservatives are hounded and betrayed by the Rinos.

      • Dodie1990

        @ ginger You relally think that the religious phonies will save the party/ They cost at leats 2 Senate seats, Indiana and Nebraska with those losers Akin and Murdoch with their religious zealotry aganda. You rathjer have a Democrat than a Republican who is not a religious zealot?

        • Don39

          @Dodie1990 No , because Damnocrat is undisguised evil. And hey you amoral clod being moral is not being a religious extremist, it is being moral!

      • GrumpyOldMan

        @ ginger  @Dodie1990 Have you heard that politicians are the best and favorite patients of surgeons? Yeah, it seems they have no guts, no backbone, no heart, no brains and the head and butt are interchangeable!

    • ginger

      @Dodie1990
       Oh, I see, it is okay to commit anything to “get along”..forget about principles and values…just go along to get along and let the country go to……

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @Dodie1990 And who is it that speaks for the child within?  Murder is a crime in every state in this union.  Birth control is one thing. Abortion quite another.  Planned Parenthood isn’t a planned anything.  It’s an abortion clinic.  Tax money should not be used to support this organization.  It’s not just a “womans body”.  It’s two bodies and one is incapable of speaking for itself.

      • Dodie1990

        @GrumpyOldMan My problem with the men who wish to abolish a woman’s reproductive choices is simple. Pay for all the pregnancies you want to force to term. Step up and pay. As a taxpayer, I will gladly pay for any and all birth control because it is far,far cheaper than a lifetime of welfare and free medical. Those who would abolish Planned Parenthood and reproductive choice are certainly entitled to their opinion, but until they step up and pay for the results they would force on women, they have no credibility with me. And being mostly men, they should butt out of something which does not concern them.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @Dodie1990  @GrumpyOldMan I repeat. It’s not a reproductive choice.  When I was a kid rubbers were 25 cents out of a vending machine in most any public restroom.  Girls simply said no, unless you’ve got a rubber.  Women can get birth (reproductive) control pills for nine dollars a month from a Target Pharmacy, as of 2012.  If you can’t afford nine bucks, don’t talk to me about reproductive “rights”.  
           
          You want the right to commit murder. My only question is, how far are you willing to go?  Where do you decide that the unborn, live, soon to be human beings instead of human fetus’s become valuable enough for you to where they have “rights”?  How about when they become teenagers, will you grant them human rights then?  When they start school?  Would you deny them their rights until they have a job and are therefore productive to the government?  When do these who have no voices get rights?
           
          For me it isn’t a religious thing.  It’s not a “woman’s” rights thing. It’s more of a China mentality.  Just kill the girls?  Would you be OK with that?  How about a Muslim thing.  Women never get any rights.  You OK with that?  Just wondering.   But above all that, if you want to f&^# your brains out, why do I, as a taxpayer have to fund you?  You can’t afford nine bucks but you can afford a computer?

        • RhondaReichel

          @Dodie1990  @GrumpyOldMan Like we aren’t paying already….welfare queens have one illegitimate child after another so abortion doesn’t stop that does it?  How many couples go out of this country to adopt because our laws make it so hard and so expensive.  That’s what needs to change.

        • Dodie1990

          @RhondaReichel @GrumpyOldMan We have lots of adoptable kids here. They are not perfect blond hair blue eyed infants. We have lots of mixed race kids with problems, mothers were drug addicts etc. There should be NO foreign adoptions until the “pro-lifers” adopt every available child here, including those less than 100% perfect.

      • DeaconG

        @GrumpyOldMan  @Dodie1990  Ya know Grumpy the more I read your posts the more I like Ya,  Peace

    • Don39

      @Dodie1990 Look at the leftist whack job getting on board with you so-called righties/conservatives bad mouthing the party of the right. Rowe is not good for the right/the GOP, but neither is the divisiveness and the abetting the leftist trolls who come here to put you down! No I say again I am not a Republican, I just never found a damnocrat I could vote for. I do not support liberal psychopathology.

    • RhondaReichel

      @Dodie1990  Murdering babies in the womb just isn’t a conservative or human thing to do.  Every 12 seconds one gets torn apart.  If the people want that then they are savages.  Nobody was against birth control.  Ron Paul even said a morning after pill was fine.  Baby killing is the venue of the demoncrats.

      • Dodie1990

        @RhondaReichel Come on, how many pregnancies that you wish to force to term will you pay for?. Santorum said “the first thing he would do if elected would be to try to ban birth control”

  • CMELK4RE

    Rove blew it so badly the last time around that he has lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned.  The RINO argument not withstanding, the Republican Party needs new leadership.  And it isn’t Christie or the others who with regularity suck up to the Dems and Obama. They need new blood, new faces, and a new, positive message.  I just wish I knew where that leadership was and/or is.

    • RhondaReichel

      @CMELK4RE  Mike Lee is pretty good.  Rand Paul has his moments.  Too bad DeMint left….he probably couldn’t stomach it anymore and didn’t want to be in office when the dollar crashes.

      • Don39

        @RhondaReichel  @CMELK4RE Jim DeMint is my friend, the head of my political organization, and was my Senator. I assure you he supported Romney and not Paul. You are all over the map aren’t you? He moved to where he could do the most Conservative good. Maybe you should let the Heritage Foundation help you. Also try Jim’s old PAC, the Senate Conservative Fund.

  • ginger

    Rove won’t be picking anyone for me…I will vet all candidates for myself and absolutely no money will be donated (by me ) to the REp party…after the last debacle of an election. I trust Rove as far as I can throw him and the GOP.

    • Richard William Faith

      @ ginger
       And I trust him as far as a DEAD QUADRIPLEGIC can hurl a GRAND PIANO.

  • John Machinski

    We have already seen the result of a Rove administration (George W. Bush was the puppet, just like Obama is the puppet of his supporters). The results? Four trillion added to the debt, Medicare Part D (the largest entitlement at the time since Medicare and Medicaid – now Obamacare will be the largest ever), two wars, the Patriot Act (which Obama opposed until he became President). Both sides are working together to take this country into a socialistic / communistic society and eventually into a dictatorship.

    • jem

      @John Machinski I’ll say it again.  There is no Democrat versus Republican.  America is a one-party system disguised as a two-party system.  It has been that way for a long, long, long time.  There are a few people who don’t play along.  Goldwater.  Ron Paul.  Bob Barr.   There are a BUNCH who pretend they are like Goldwater, Ron Paul and Bob Barr, like Bachmann (not picking on Michelle specifically) and Palin (not picking on women specifically).  but in the final analysis they are just pretending.  My own rep is a good example.  When I brought up the illegal alien in the White House, she said the country has “bigger problems.”  Didn’t deny that he IS an illegal alien, just didn’t think that was an issue worth focusing on.  IMHO, that speaks volumes.  We all know owe-bummer is a fraud.  They know it  But they PRETEND otherwise, Republicans and Demonrats.

      • Don39

        @jem  @John Machinski Some people can not tell the difference between black and white, let alone distinguish all the shades of grey between!

  • GrumpyOldMan

    He and his buddy Pee Wee Prebutts are the chief reasons the Republican Party lost the election.  I think they should follow his advise whole heartedly!  Then they will end in the trashbin of history making room for a REAL conservative party to emerge.  Maybe people will just go the the Libertarian Party since we are already the 3rd largest political party.  Somebody has to get this country out of the hands of liberal Democrats. That’s redundant isn’t it.

  • RonPaulSupporter2

    The Republican party HAD a great candidate for many, many years by the name of Ron Paul and they never gave him even a second look. If this country would’ve been electing principled TRUE conservatives like Ron Paul over the past 50, 60, 70 years, our prosperity now would be almost without measure. We would have a state of the art military capable of defending the US from ANY type of attack. We’d have low energy prices and probably cleaner air and water than we even have now. The unemployment rate would be probably under 4%. Interest rates would be stable, our dollar would pi$$ all over other countries currencies, low taxation, sensible regulation, a TRUE free-market economy, no bailouts and NO TRILLION DOLLAR NATIONAL DEBT. The reason why he wouldn’t get the nod is EXACTLY FOR PEOPLE LIKE CARL ROVE.

    • RhondaReichel

      @RonPaulSupporter2  You speak the truth.  Everything Ron Paul has predicted has come true with a vengeance.  This country deserves everything it’s getting now because voters are fools & don’t have any respect for the constitution.

      • Don39

        @RhondaReichel  @RonPaulSupporter2 You vipers use the Constitution as an excuse. You do not know it. You do not even have enough respect for it to properly capitalize it. You use it for an excuse for your having let the nation go to hell in a hand basket  and being to dumb to help get it back.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        @RhondaReichel  @RonPaulSupporter2 I’ll agree and second whoever said you are pathetic Rhonda.  Yes, Ron Paul was right and is right, for the most part.  But this country doesn’t have free elections. And even though I agree that the electorate in general has been totally dumbed down, you my dear, are not much smarter.  This country does not “deserve everything it’s getting now” because of traitors.  And YOU are a supporter of traitors, terrorism, and tyrants.  I doubt seriously Ron Paul would approve of very many of your comments.

  • GREATAMERICAN

    Why the hell are we kicking this dead horse called the Republican Party.  It’s time to make the break for good and form a new party that stans for something besides pandering {lying BS}.  Speak truth, and common sence and the value minded, 75% of voters, will com running to it, everyone is tired of the BS lies of both Dems and Repubs.  Unfortunately that’s all the voters have had since Ron R.1980.  WE ARE HUNGRY FOR GOOD HONEST CANDIDATES.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @GREATAMERICAN Actually there is a 3rd party already.  It’s called the Libertarian Party.  And if everyone like you were to have voted for their candidates the last two elections, OBozo would have never gotten in to begin with.  But when people go to vote they invariably say “I’ve GOT to vote for a Republican or a communist Democrat.  If people stood on principle when they voted, we wouldn’t have this mess!  Or this illegal alien in the White House either!

      • DeaconG

        Grumpy.  I voted for Ron Paul and he Lost the primaries. I ended up voting republican in the general election. As for Rove that SOB is a useless POS who should be in a prison cell. Hint..He Lives In Austin Texas. The votes were 100% BS Fraud for Obama to win.
        It is time we the people take our country back before it’s too late. I am all for Expelling Obama and all of the Demon-crats to a third world country. After freezing their assets and bankrupting them of course.  If Obama keeps up his BS it will be happening and very soon I do believe.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @DeaconG I voted for him also.  Truth is, he didn’t really lose. The voting machines were rigged for Romney in the primaries the same as they were rigged for OBozo in the general election.  Remember he (OBozo) said he wanted to face Romney in the general election.  Romney’s wins were a test run on the software for the main event. 
           
          Ron Paul got too close.  That’s why there was all the shenanigans in Tampa to disqualify his delegates and replace them with the ones Rove and Pee Wee Prebutts wanted that would ensure Romney got the nomination on the first ballot.  The Republican Party is a sham and a fraud.  And “free elections” haven’t existed in this country since 4 BC at least.  (Before Clinton).

        • Don39

          @GrumpyOldMan  @DeaconG Ron Paul sup[porters, especially the skin heads, bigots and dopeys insured that he had no chance. That cobined with his isolationist nonsense won him the ire of the conservatives and GOP alike. Won him alienation at the convention, etc. and rightly so.

      • Don39

        @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN If those of you who voted for the loser the past two elections had not wasted your vote we might not have the fraud tyrant that we have!

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN no a different fraud/tyrant named Romney

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Romney was not my first choice. Never the less you are a bald faced liar in the names and things you say about Romney.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @Don39  @GREATAMERICAN So you voted FOR OBozo!?!  I believe anyone YOU voted for lost.  That means you either voted for OBozo or you voted for a loser! 
           
          I held my nose and voted for McLame the first time.  I was not willing to give up my principles to vote for the guy that lost to McLame in ’08 with the delusion he could do what McLame couldn’t do.  That’s pure lunacy. Or pure Rove!

        • Don39

          @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN  I voted for the one person who could have and did beat Obama. You need to wake up old man. So you in essence voted for Obama, do not blame me! And you are to old to be so stupid as to say that a vote for Romney was a vote for Obama!

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN  It’s well known what a fraud Romney was.  Read the Matt Taibbi articles about him.  He nailed Romney really well ….well documented.  Read them and then talk to me about what a great man Romney is.  Draft dodging— tax dodging—flip flopping unconstitutional  idiot had no business being the nominee

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Well Don…the only one who could BEAT OBAMA DID NOT WIN….so you were wrong weren’t you?  And you will probably back the wrong horse next time too.

        • Medic2

          @Don39  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN No we would have a different fraud/ tyrant named Mitt.

        • Medic2

          @Don39  @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Dude you cant say that and really mean it lol. Romney is playin on the same globalist team obarfa is. You gotta wake up. Not calling you out or picking on you. Just trying to get you to see that some of us have really looked hard at our 2 party system and we see through the BS.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN I was not wrong and you are a fool if you do not know by now that you (the likes of) and fraud beat him, Where have you been?

        • Don39

          @Medic2  @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN You can’t call me out! I am out, out with the truth and it is just to much to handle for some.

      • Robbie Eagle

        @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN  R.Paul showed little respect for the sniper who was murdered last week,when he tweeted,”live by the sward,die by the sward.” I lost respect for Paul at that point. I would expect something like that from amichael moore,but not Paul.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN  Sad when people make a hero out of a sniper

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Stupid, a soldier is a soldier. That is the trouble with you Paul bots you think freedom is free and just happens. You are to stupid to tell the lie in that from the fraud in office of president and the decay of the federal government while you pacifist sat on your duffs and let it happen and now you want to bitch about the system that you failed!

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN No Rhonda it isn’t.  Snipers do a necessary job that few are qualified to do.  They save American lives.  And they sacrifice a tremendous amount in order to do so.  They are necessary in a shooting war. 
           
          The real shame is the politicians who are willing to send others to risk their lives, and at the same time they aren’t even willing to risk their reelections to give the American military person the support they need to win the war.
           
          The VC were on the edge of surrender, but because of the our great American Journalists, and their reporting of the cowardly Politicians along with the likes of Hanoi Jane Fonda and cowardly John Kerry decided they would tuff it out a little longer.
           
          Al Qaeda will return to every place we (OBozo) has abandoned in short order.  They have no respect for American military.  Why should they?  The last time we actually fought to win was WW II.  If you want to win you have to blow things up and kill people.  Enough that the public will force their leaders to surrender.  Just installing more of the Muslim Brotherhood in government all over Africa (where OBozo grew up at the least) will not result in a better peaceful Africa.  We are sending young people to die in the big sandbox for nothing.  Now that’s sad.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN  We weren’t fighting for OUR freedom you moron.  Remember how the mission changed to Iraqi freedom?  You buy that war on terror b.s. you are just dumber than a box of rocks

        • Don39

          @GrumpyOldMan  @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Now grumpy we are talking the same language and the same sentiment. Knew you were not all bad!

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN God help you, you are pitiful,

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN  Oh really???….snipers are killers who hide and don’t tell me that they are justified.  This Kyle guy was trying to make money off it ….did you buy his book or something?  That’s about as brave as sitting in an office halfway across the world and killing people by operating a drone.  I wonder how the can sleep at night.  I know quite a few veterans.  My dad was in WWII.  And most of them with a conscience don’t even want to talk about it.  They have nightmares.  They don’t go on TV and boast about having the most kills.
           
          These wars today are wrong.  We invade and plunder.  The last justified war was WWII and that’s because we were attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on us.  All the rest of this is for the corporations….not about freedom

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN So Rhonda, during what years did you serve in combat and gain all of your knowledge?  Since the politicians just this year decided to allow women in these position, I think you have absolutely no idea about what you speak.  And that is the problem with your type.  You think you know something when you know nothing.  Some dumb university professer whispering in your ear were you accumulated this knowledge?  Lady, I’ve been there!

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN  You couldn’t force me to fight in one of these trumped up wars for profit.  I wouldn’t go to someone’s country who did nothing to us in the first place and bomb and kill civilians for all the money in the world….but obviously some of you feel justified doing it.  WMD….Iran has a nuke….how stupid are you people?  Israel has a few hundred nukes  why don’t you go kill those people?  They don’t  belong to the treaty….Iran does.  You morons are going to get us into WWIII and then let’s see how big you talk when nukes are raining down on this country.  You think Putin is playing?  Then you are a fool.

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN   Tell me Grumpy how many women and children did you kill?

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Like most who know nothing and have diarrhea of the mouth, or in this case keyboard, you are attempting to avoid answering the main question.  Where did you get your expert opinion on military matters?  Tell me when YOU RISKED YOUR LIFE to criticize those of us that did?  You are the typical hypocrite.

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN   Ever hear of Smedley Butler Grumpy…..ever read his famous speech WAR IS A RACKET
           
          Unless you can top that I suggest you shut your pie hole.  He was the most decorated soldier of his time and he knew full well it was all b.s.  In fact he stopped Prescott Bush from overthrowing our govt. in a coup when they stupidly tried to get him to lead it.  That’s history.  You should read the truth sometime to see that what you are trying to sell is a lie.

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN  You didn’t risk your life for me …or this country unless you fought in WWII.  What war were you in?  If it was in any of these hegemony wars then you were wrong to do it.

        • RhondaReichel

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN  I got my opinion from my dad and relatives that fought in these wars….the men I knew that served in Vietnam were not proud of it either.  Nor my friends who served in the Korean war.  War is hell and should be a last resort and only to protect one’s country….that’s where you two are dead wrong about justifying this imperialistic foreign policy.
           
          And another thing the fact that you think it’s ok to put women in combat is sickening.  That’s how warped your mind is.  To me it seems depraved and desperate.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN   There is a golden rule….do unto others as you would have them do unto you…..as I recall the neocon trash during the debates actually had the nerve to boo the GOLDEN RULE…..God’s law.
           
          It has nothing to do with pacifist….it has everything to do with what is right and what is wrong.  Thou shall not covet is another one you ought to think about before you march off to war.

        • Medic2

          @Don39  @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Not true my friend. I respect and admire our fighting men. I also read ALL of what Paul said regarding the sniper. Coming from a Dr, it might be he has a point that taking a soldier with PTSD out shooting for therapy might be a bad idea. I love our armed forces, I respect them. I love my guns and I love to shoot but I damn sure get what Paul was saying.
           
          Im not a pacifist either, I dont think we should be fighting in all the crap all over the world that we are by the same token. Diebold failed not us. I held my nose and voted for your friend MItt in the general election but I supported Paul until he was officially out of the race. You can sit there and call names but the fact is, your guy sucks and he wouldnt have done anything better than be the same puppet Obama is. Attack me or attack this nation and see how much of a pacifist, me or alot of others like me are. Im not sittin here talking tough behind a keyboard, im not challenging you to fight because we both know that wont happen. What I am doing is stating that you have a very messed up view of the average Ron Paul supporter. Being for the Constitution is not being a pacifist friend.

        • Medic2

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Given a choice, I would hide and shoot my enemies from that spot. I have alot of respect for Snipers and what they do. I dont disagree with you that we shouldnt be fighting in the middle east, but please dont run down the brave men and women that are sent there by a corrupt government.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN Sure and all of those terrorist attacks to include the twin towers were just a hoax perpetrated by conservative radicals! You are pathetic. I may be dumb, but I am honest and I am not an enemy propagandist!

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Woman you are schitzo!

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN You have gone far enough you ignorant itch!

        • Don39

          @GrumpyOldMan  @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN The .itch has to be on dope or just plane has bats in the belfry! Maybe it is time to just shut her off.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @GrumpyOldMan  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Don’t worry if you never heard of him Grumpy. The marine MGen. died in 1940. He knew nothing of the modern world or warfare. Even in his time , though a decorated hero, he was considered eccentric but gathered about him an antiwar contingent much like Paul today.  Certainly if he and his thought prevailed the world would probably still be ruled by the Third Reisch!

      • Medic2

        @GrumpyOldMan  @GREATAMERICAN I prefer more of the Constitution parties stances. You should vote for them…..just sayin

    • Robbie Eagle

      @GREATAMERICAN I like the Constitution Party. They support the Constitution,secure borders,no amnesty,family values,small gov.,no drugs. look at their by-laws. I wish the Tea Party’s would support the Constitution Party.

      • Don39

        @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN Yeah and they are about as powerful and active as a cub scout troop! The only thing they are doing is holding lisTens to a name that might otherwise be well used. I have a copy of their platform/charter from several years back, was a member , all talk no walk! What is their web site address? Thought so!

        • Robbie Eagle

          @Don39  What do you suggest? The Rep. lost because Romney didn’t want to win and massive voter fraud.I held my nose & voted for who the Republican Party threw at us.  The people in D.C.(both party’s) decide who will win,we don’t.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN  How would you know they don’t walk the walk….neocons never give them a chance because face it….the constitution isn’t what you are after.

        • Don39

          @Robbie Eagle  Massive voter fraud that the GOPs hands were legally prevented from protesting, (court order resulting from 2008 law suit) . Their has been much written about the legal issue that expire in 2016 and I am not going to repeat it hear . It is under my profile and in various web sites. I would suggest that next time the third party dissidents vote for the best man that can win, and that we get the so-called evangelicals who thought they were to high and mighty to vote for a Mormon.  Remember they call themselves Christians and have a Christian duty to support, even in their minds , the lesser of evils instead of wailing and gnashing their teeth while the worst excuse for a president ever is re-elected. Saying the people in DC say who wins is a total cop out. They only decide when we let them by not upholding our end of Constitutional duty!

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN I am a strict Constitutionalist, I not only studied it, I live it, and I served it! And I taught it! And not like that fraud from the Harvard Law Review that makes a mockery of it from one side and others that do the same from the other side. I know many racist, totalitarians, bigots and haters that lay a false claim to the Constitution and the Republic. If Jefferson or Washington or any of the founders found themselves face to face with them they would spit on them.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @GREATAMERICAN PS: I despise neocons as much as I do other phonies!

  • ausscyn

    Carol Paul generously sent Storey County Nevada GOP, a polo shirt of Ron’s, one of his ties & a copy of “Liberty Defined” for our county GOP’s Silent Auction. The tie & book are autographed by Ron. Go to these links to look & bid. The auction will end Friday, Feb. 8th.Here’s the video we made for the auction: http://youtu.be/BlHN4NQxnK4

    • Robbie Eagle

      @ausscyn  R. Paul tweeted about the sniper who got murdered last week. Quote from R.P. tweet: Live by the sward,die by the sward.” I lost all respect for him. That sounds like something michael moore would say.

      • RhondaReichel

        @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn not me….I think the guy was a psycho.
        What he said in essence was how strange to take a PTSD victim out to shoot guns for therapy….he should have said it was crazy.
        Ron Paul Stirs Up Right Wing With Tweet About ‘American Sniper’  http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/02/04-3
         
         
        some good comments under this one
        as one guy points out they were invaded —and who among us would not be trying to drive invaders out of our country if the shoe was on the other foot?
         
        not only was he a sniper but a liar too….Jesse Ventura was suing him for that story he put in his book about sucker punching him and running when the cops were called….never happened….no police report.  Besides what kind of coward punches someone and runs away?  I thought it was pure b.s. when I saw this little rooster bragging on the O’Reilly show.  Too bad he didn’t live long enough to have to lose the court case.  I had a very visceral reaction to this thug.  Didn’t like him, sorry he’s dead, but at least he can’t kill again.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn See my comment under the appropriate story if you are interested in truth and opinion by one that is qualified to judge. You are not on several levels, to statrt with you are a paul groupie, and secondly you do not know jack about PTSD or professional soldiers!

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn  You don’t know jack period.  Stupid if you think you are fighting for our freedom in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or any of these other phony wars.  If you are such an expert tell me why so many soldiers are committing suicide.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn  Ron Paul was the only veteran running at the end….so tell me what a chickenhawk groupie you were.

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn Because of what the left has done to demoralize the military and the lack of leadership, the phony rules of engagement and restraints of the fraud CIC,  and because of weakened standards allowing more of the mentally weak and challenged in to keep up quotas, to name a few. And whether you like it or not I am one hell of a lot more expert on the military and evidently a lot more things than you are!

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Robbie Eagle  @ausscyn .itch this chickenhawk has more combat wounds than you got sense! The decorations are just icing on the cake. You are to stupid to read my profile and have some sense of who you are talking to. I am not some johnny come lately smoking to much pot or drinking to much wine! I notice you have no bio and no claims.

  • Don39

    Karl RINO Rogue will lead the GOP to hell and leave the majority of Americans without a party if the GOP does not wise up very soon. On the other hand he is the absolute best argument for the Tea Party and other independent conservative organizations, and our motivator to over throw the RINO establishment arm of the GOP.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @Don39 Actually less than 1/3 of Americans are now Republican, and that number is dwindling far faster than Dumb-O-crats.   All of the losses are going to “independent”.  If you don’t want to see OBozo as your appointed leader (cough, cough) sorry, I choked on that “leader” part, then all those independents are going to need someone to vote for, not just a choice of the lesser of evils.  They don’t seem to think they are getting anyone acceptable at the moment.

      • Don39

        @GrumpyOldMan Yeah, right, over one third are NOTHING! When I look at the right I do not isolate the GOP, just count them as part of!

  • CharlieSeattle

    Next time clown face…
     
    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer for President!
    Rick Santorum for Vice President!
    Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Director of Homeland Security!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @CharlieSeattle Ah.  The lib troll is back.

      • Don39

        @GrumpyOldMan  @CharlieSeattle And atheist!

    • Medic2

      @CharlieSeattle Rick Santorum needs to go away.

      • Carol in Florida

        Absolutely 100% correct!!! Santorum cost us many votes because we Republicans “appeared” to support his religious extremeism!!! Catholics can (& should) support their Catholic Church’s religious beliefs. But no candidate will win with Catholic beliefs re artificial contraception, stem cell research, & gay intolerance. These are demands completely acceptable to church memberships…but they are EXTREMELY offensive to non-Catholics and non-EVANGELICAL Christians! And there are A LOT of us!
        You think evangelicals stayed home? You ain’t seen nuthin’…’till you try to force religious intolerance down the throats of educated mainline Christians & Jews!

        • go125

          @Carol in Florida I am an educated main line Christian and I admired Rick Santorum because of his courage to speak the truth!  Gay intolerance?  We are not intolerant.  We just do not want our values re-defined. Christians read their Bibles, you obviously do not.  If you did you would know that God is against homosexuality and stem cell research.  How can you create a life to experiment on it?  You, Carol, are the one who ought to not force your liberal religious beliefs on us.  You follow a religion of convenience, not one of God.

        • Medic2

          @Carol in Florida I dont necessarily disagree with alot of Santorums positions. Believing that homosexuality is stated in the Bible to be wrong is one I do agree with him with. Educated, mainline does not mean you can reinterpret the Bible to say what you want it to say.
           
          That said, I dont believe we should be pushing our religion through the Federal government. Id love to have a POTUS who loves the Lord and actually practices what he preaches, however, Constitutionally you cant legislate your religious beliefs on everyone n the nation. I have nothing against stem cell research as long as they use cells from adults and not dead babies.
           
          You cant justify killing babies just for research and that is what they try to do. Santorum didnt win the Primaries so he really didnt cost us anything. I was and am a Ron Paul conservative and I supported him. There was no one else in the race, except MAYBE Gary Johnson I could have supported. The republican Party has lost me. I have decided I will push to get Constitutionalist/ conservative people elected.

        • Don39

          @Medic2  @Carol in Florida Ron Paul is not a conservative. You say some smart things and then turn around and promote that lie. Paul is at best a libertarian, supported in the main by a cluge of far right extremest. His is the followinjg of anarchist, pot smokers, racist skinhead anti-blacks and other minorities, anti semitics, anti military, and other cultist! Darn you sound smarter than that!

    • NoGuff

      @CharlieSeattle “Arizona Governor Jan Brewer for President!”
      –A bill was passed by the AZ legislature requiring Presidential candidates to prove their birth & citizenship credentials to get on AZ’s ballot.  Jan Brewer vetoed that bill.  Is that the same Jan Brewer you want for President?

  • http://[email protected] junewinnopsteiger1

    if Mr. Rove really cared for America, instead of just picking his choice to run in an election, he would have made friends with the Tea Party members, we could have worked side by side to save our country.  Instead, he has called for war.  You are not the enemy, Mr. Rove but you are not on Americas side either.  We stand behind our Constitution totally.  We believe in America, not the politics.

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @junewinnopsteiger1 The Tea Party in Jacksonville FL was perfectly content to help ole Rove out.  It’s why I no longer support the Tea Party.  They caved to the Tea Party principles that attracted me in the first place.  I’m surprised Rove isn’t a card carrying member actually.  You know, reciprocating and mutual admiration.

      • Medic2

        @GrumpyOldMan  @junewinnopsteiger1 Becaus the RINOS have hijacked the Tea Party.

  • Tncdel

    The New World Order has infiltrated ALL U.S. political parties, even the Libertarians. Rove is a pawn of Soros.
     
    You can ferret out who’s who by simply looking to see if they support globalist agendas or not. Like NAFTA and trying to attract as many job-stealing illegals here as possible to dissolve our border.
     
    Both Bush’s, the Clintons, Rubio, McCain, Powell, Rice, Boehner, and every other globalist TRAITOR to America.
     
    We need to weed out all the globalist neocons and RINOs in the GOP, as well as the globalist Progs in the Democrat party and put it back in control of true Liberals.

    • Don39

      @Tncdel Total cop out crap!

      • RhondaReichel

        @Don39  @Tncdel Ha ha ha…cop out.  What have the globalists done for you lately?

        • Don39

          @RhondaReichel  @Tncdel They have not dulled my senses and made me stupid.

      • Medic2

        @Don39  @Tncdel He is 100% correct. Where you get cop out?

        • Don39

          @Medic2  @Tncdel It is a pure cop out to blame the nations conditions on globalism. Globalist is a figment of imagination and ignorance, of the world, geography, and commodities. It is an asinine promotion of isolationism  that is impossible. We should and must promote and maintain sovereignty, but we must be, we are , part of the world and as such have responsibilities. Is has always been a premise of our freedom that we promote that of others. Have we gone to far under recent doctrines? Darn right and we need to correct that, but not back into the stone ages.

        • Tncdel

          @Don39  @Medic2 Either you’re a globalist supporter trying to cover up, or you’ve got your head so far up your arse you can’t see the light of day.

        • Don39

          @Tncdel  @Medic2 You seem to not be able to read and comprehend. To you everything is black and white. I have news for you there is no pure white or black in real life an d those who would see must discern shades of grey. if there is such a thing as a globalist it is the likes of Soros and Obama and the progressive left. Also some RINOs that would cede the nations sovereignty. New world order is a figment of the imagination of the left and the extreme right. It is mainly a concept of propaganda from the mainstream media to justify socialism. Where is the New World Order Charter and who has signed it?

        • Tncdel

          You have a bad habit of projecting. Such as how the finger you tried to point at me, questioning my reading comprehension, proved to be aimed at yourself instead.
           
          Watch this video, listening to what Ike Eisenhower and JFK said warning us about the New World Order. If that is insufficient to permeate the wall you’ve erected shielding you from reality, then you will just have to wallow in your self-administered bliss of ignorance that helps you to cope with a reality that is too ugly for you to contemplate:
          http://youtu.be/XRLPG_HplrA
           
          This will be my last time giving you the benefit of the doubt about your IQ. Now the ball’s in your court.

        • jlanghals34

          @Don39  @Medic2  @Tncdel Don,I have read your comments and some are good .You are way off on The One World Order.I belong to the John Birch Society and our main mission is to expose just that.What do think that disgusting UN is.?Why do you think Hilly  was up their kissing their butt.Now we have a Disgusting lying veteran Kerry, who will be spouting his venum all over the world.There is nothing more disgusting than a Catholic Dumacrat .There is a model New World Order City already built in Siberia.

        • Medic2

          @Medic2  @Don39  @Tncdel Ill just reply to all of your comments here. My head is not up my butt. Im beginning to really think yours is. You really believe that crap you are spouting? You really dont think that the mainstream GOP people arent globalists too? You have bought the propaganda. Man wake up. They are all playing on the same team, they just spout different rhetoric so that we fight amongst ourselves and dont see what they are up to. Go look at your favorite Republicans voting record and go see just how often they vote against the Constitution and for the UN globalist agenda. See how many times they vote to take your rights away in the name of security(, read control there.) I read and comprehend just fine. The UN is the vehicle for the New World Order. Read up on agenda 21. Read behind the green mask. Man you really need to open up your mind a little. The GOP nor the dems are doing any of us ANY favors.Go REALLY do some research. Dont let em spoon feed you.
           
          Ive said all I need to say. Unless you actually research some of this stuff dont be telling me how stupid I am. Now if you have researched it and still buy what the Feds are selling then I can help you. All I know is the evidence of corruption and a desire to control us under a one world government is there. It will happen some day too. The Bible says it will, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt resist it with all the power we have to do so.

      • jlanghals34

        @Don39  @Tncdel Don ,you sound just like my aunts and uncles who ran around saying we will never be in a war in Europe in 1941.95% of them had their heads up their asses too.

    • NoGuff

      @Tncdel “We need to weed out all the globalist neocons and RINOs in the GOP”
      –I’m a “neo-con” (a Liberal’s term for Conservatives, by the way) and I’m not a Globalist.  On the Republican side, yes GHW Bush is a Globalist with his “New World Order” BS.  There’s nothing “neo-con” about GHW Bush.  But I assure you, I am not a Globalist.  I’m the opposite, I’m a Nationalist.  And all the Conservatives I’m connected with on YT and FB are the same.  So please, reconsider lumping “neo-cons” in with “Globalists.”

      • Tncdel

        @NoGuff , okay, you’ve clarified how you define neocon relative to yourself, and I accept it. Perhaps I misunderstood what neocons are. But maybe too there are various strains.
         
        Many say Reagan was a neocon, for example. And if you deem him so, then, applying the Bible’s litmus test to assess whether or not he was also a globalist, simply measure his stance on the globalist template of amnesty. Then we’ve nailed him to the wall as indeed a globalist. And those who make excuses for him to me are akin to those who make excuses for the dog-eatin’ Usurper. “By their fruits shall ye know them.”

  • NoGuff

    A Rhino is an animal.  A RINO is a Republican-In-Name-Only.

    • Don39

      @NoGuff Most here to night do not know the difference. But the phonies wrap themselves in the flag and the Constitution.

  • Tempest Storm

    It is soooooooooo over for the RINO party.   It is long over-due that a conservative third-party emerge.  Sorry Karl old boy, but you are betting on the wrong horse.  Without us, you shall remain a loser.  No RINO McCain, No RINO Dole, No RINO BUSH (one and two), no RINO Romney………what do they all have in common?  They are all LOSERS!  Even one of the elections W won, he actually lost.

    • RhondaReichel

      @Tempest Storm  Ha ha ha…that’s right !!!  Dubya had to cheat to win.  
       
      NOBODY wanted Romney nor McCain….they were like consolation prizes.  I just groaned when they got nominated because I knew I wasn’t going to vote for them and others wouldn’t either.
       
       When you think about it winning by about a third of the country’s voters isn’t much of a mandate for Obama….that means 2/3 didn’t  want him.  Same with Romney.  It just goes to show how PERVERSE the 2 party system has become.

    • Don39

      @Tempest Storm You are a nonthinking ultra right wing nut. Bush, no I am not a Bush fan, never lost an election. Did you ever here of the electoral college? And you people claim to believe in the Constitution. You bought the leftist lies about Romney, probably just because he was a Mormon, and before you spout off, I am not one, but have known several , all honorable, and helped reinstate the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on this nation. McCain was/is a loser and Bush, all of them moderate socialist. Bush was a big spender failure on the economy, trying to buy popularity for the GOP.They had a record to assail. There was nothing wrong with the free market record of Romney nor his stand on moral issues and he offered more potential than any president in over twenty years! You people were had hook, line and sinker by the leftist propaganda machine and voter fraud!

      • RhondaReichel

        @Don39  @Tempest Storm  glad you brought up that Mormon question.  Mormons have vowed revenge against the U.S. to avenge the deaths of Parley Pratt and Joseph Smith and were asked to denounce that vow and wouldn’t.  
         
        We were once at war with the Mormons or didn’t you know that?  Look at Harry Reid if you want to see how Mormons work in our govt.  They have a prophecy that when the constitution is hanging by a thread a Mormon will be elected president and form a theocracy.  Mormons are basically socialists.  I used to work for some and they were very nice to your face but untrustworthy & deceitful.  They have a long and colorful history.  Look up Mountain Meadows massacre and you will understand them much better.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @RhondaReichel  @Don39  @Tempest Storm Rhonda, first off you need to learn the difference between a Socialist and a Communist.  The guy in the White House is a Communist.  The leadership (cough, cough) of the Repub Party are Socialists. 
           
          We are back to the lesser of two evils.  Satan’s spawn rigged the election in 2008 with his ACORN buddies, and in 2012 with his buddy Haggle and his software.  Haggle’s reward is supposed to be Secretary of Defense.  Will he get? Probably.  Repubs have no guts, no backbone and no loyalty to anything but their own advancements.

  • RhondaReichel
  • BHUDDA

    Karl Rove is a person that should not have a fire arm as his mind is very fuzzy . I think he hears voices and sees shadows that aren’t there . No one person should live eat and sleep politics as long as Rove has .It does irreversible damage to your mind .

  • RhondaReichel

    http://youtu.be/hTdx6vEUtIA  
    Dubya’s grandfather tried to overthrow the govt. to form a fascist Nazi like dictatorship
    http://youtu.be/7BZCfbrXKs4
    You support these wars then you are in the dark about history….and about the Bush family and the republican party.  They are more traitorous than the demoncrats.

    • Don39

      @RhondaReichel You have to be dumb to believe most of the stuff that is on youtube, facebook, ect. You might as well read wicapedia and award yourself a degree in everything! No wonder you swallow the crap you spout. You are extreme one way as the obamanation is the other!

      • RhondaReichel

        @Don39   It’s history Don.  Can you disprove it?  No you can’t.  Butler testified before congress and they did nothing to punish those scoundrels that tried to overthrow the govt.  Not a damn thing.  Is that so hard to believe?  Look it up before you pooh pooh it and dismiss it as fantasy.  That’s just ignorant and there is no excuse for any citizen of this country STAYING ignorant.
        You probably have no clue who Smedley Butler even was.  
        I won’t allow you to remain ignorant or challenge what I post without proving me wrong.  Get started – I’m waiting.

      • RhondaReichel

        @Don39  You have to  be really stupid not to do your own research and verify whether something is true or not.  You don’t do it.  You disbelieve because it’s convenient for you rather than verify.

    • n2woods

      @RhondaReichel Why are you forwarding this video? 
       
      The video basically says that the right wing of the Republican Party are fascists backed by wealthy handlers who want to set up a dictatorship.  You are allowing the left to paint fascists as conservatives when fascists are the left.  FDR, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Lenin were admired by the left prior to finding the concentration camps.  Bush and other wealthy progressives within the Republican Party most likely agree with the ideology of the left which explains why they can’t bring themselves to support conservatives.  I suggest you find another video because this one undermines your own beliefs.  Yes, it paints the bad guys as bad, but it also labels them as your bad guys.  Read the comments if you doubt what I’m saying.  The left loves this video because it erroneously portrays the right wing as fascist supporters.
       
      Conservatives are for constitutional republican governance, not short sighted democratic dictatorships like those that surfaced after WWI.  Even under Clinton and Obama the left doesn’t mind dictators, as long as they are ideologically aligned.  Remember that democracies supported FDR, Hitler, Mussolini and Lenin.    This video basically lumps constitutional loving conservatives in with the wealthy progressives.  Please reconsider you choice of videos.

      • RhondaReichel

        @n2woods   I am no fan of FDR.  He was a socialist.  But I am also not for forming a fascist government based on Nazi theology and that was the plan….to overthrow our government.  They were even going to assassinate FDR if they had to.  Prescott Bush and his cronies should have been tried for treason.  They were laundering money for the Nazis.  That’s a well known fact.  They did it for years until they were finally made to stop.  
         
        Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer when we were at war with the Nazis.  GHW Bush is a globalist who proclaims THE NEW WORLD ORDER.  What the heck do you think that means?  It sure doesn’t fit with the constitution or American sovereignty.  Every president since Reagan has been a NWO president.  
        Have you ever heard about public law 87-297?  It is a law from 1961 to integrate our military into the UN forces.  Every president since then has been implementing it little by little.  Look these things up.  I’m not making this up.
         
        I know conservatives are for constitutional republic…..that’s the point I’m making….these men are not true conservatives…..they are TRAITORS.

        • n2woods

          @RhondaReichel Your video is a tool of the left. 
           
          Stop, look and listen to the propaganda and read the comments.  The video is a recruiting tool for socialist wanting to defame the right wing without deference.

        • RhondaReichel

          @n2woods  My video is history.  The right wing needs no help being defamed.  Socialists?  What the heck do you think the New World Order is?  Are you DEAF?  Did you not hear every single president say it?
           
          I am defaming the false right….the ones who give lip service to the constitution and usurp it at every chance.  You show me how TARP, THE PATRIOT ACT, THE NDAA is constitutional?   You can’t.  
           
          Socialism has been bipartisan.

        • RhondaReichel

          @n2woods  Did Dubya call the constitution “just a godd_mned piece of paper” or not?   Well did he?  You are standing on shifting sand defending these usurpers.

        • n2woods

          @RhondaReichel Your hatred blinds you.  I didn’t defend W, TARP, NDAA nor the Patriot Act and others.  You’re attacking everyone.
           
          You’re a Don Quixote.

        • celi65

          @RhondaReichel  @n2woods
           I have done a little research on the Bush Family.  For the most part, your statements about them and the New World Order (NWO) are correct.

  • RhondaReichel

    soldiers are waking up….time you did too http://youtu.be/i2ViWWsYmAc  and  http://youtu.be/meOUdQrgYPQ

  • GregHarrod

    It’s looking like Rove and the RINO’s are going to have to endure another hard lesson in 2014, that lesson being that they and their establishment RINO (aka Lite Democrat) candidates ain’t going nowhere without us conservatives. It’s time they recognized the fact that their brand of go-along-to-get-along good ‘ol boy RINO’s are not winning elections. What the Republican Party needs is people with the courage to be the take-no-prisoners bomb-throwers and rabble-rousers that we need to go head-to-head with the hardcore leftists in Congress who are dragging this country down a socialist rathole from which we may never escape if we trust our fate to establishment RINO’s.

    • RhondaReichel

      @GregHarrod Yep….they thought they could pawn off a Massachusetts liberal on conservatives but they had another think coming.  Let them keep losing until they get the message.  They thought they could do it without conservatives which coincidentially is SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR BASE ???
       
      The tail don’t wag the dog

    • Don39

      @GregHarrod And we will only do that if we capture the GOP, an established party.  We do that by running the RINOs out of office over the likes of Rove.

  • lesstressrx

    If anyone is on this blog and likes Allen West I started a Facebook Page Colonel Allen West A Constitutional Conservative Leader For America https://www.facebook.com/ColAllenWestForVp?ref=hl
    Go like and keep up with what he is doing. I update daily and you can go look at the page. Please share, I think he  has a real future rebuilding our country.

    • Don39

      @lesstressrx facebook is not conservative friendly and I would not go there for any reason.

      • lesstressrx

        @Don39 There are many well informed Facebook pages for Constitutional Fiscal Conservatives with some great debates and info. Facebook may not be run by conservatives, but if you cut yourself off from every liberal you are going to be a lonely man. Sometimes a good conversation can help liberals see the other point of view. I don’t know about you but by keeping an open mind to good conversation, several of my liberals are seeing the truth about Obama. It is never as much fun preaching to the choir as helping someone see the light.
        If you want to join the Tea party Community go to: https://www.teapartycommunity.com
        It is new and it will be the new Tea Party media. Check it out. It is not on Facebook.

    • Joangio

      @lesstressrx
       You go, Girl!!!  THIS was (and still IS) my choice for the Presidency!  I love him for all that he is, all that he stands for, and all the MISERY that he brings to the Left AND the RINOs!!!

      • Don39

        @Joangio  @lesstressrx Allen west is a good man. he is also a retired soldier which is much hated by the simpleton paul bots and extreme right wing kooks on this thread.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Joangio  @lesstressrx  West is the perfect example of a RINO and not constitutional.  He is a fixture in the military industrial complex and if you want war after war as we have now elect West.
          Was West for NDAA?
          Was West for the Patriot Act?
          Was West for TARP?

        • RhondaReichel

          @Don39  @Joangio  @lesstressrx Club for Growth rates West  at 64% on issues important to the tea party
           
          http://www.crowleypoliticalreport.com/2012/05/shocking-allen-west-supports-tax-hikes.html

      • lesstressrx

        @Joangio Thanks, please go like my page and share with friends to do likewise.
        I wanted Mittens to choose him for VP but he was too conservative for him. I do wish people would stop looking for a 100% perfect person to support. On this planet there is  no such animal.

    • RhondaReichel

      @lesstressrx  You should read this…..10 reasons why Allen West is a RINO
       
      http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/?bloggerURL=/2012/06/reasons-why-10-reasons-why-repallen.html

      • lesstressrx

        @RhondaReichel I went to this site 10 times and about the time I started reading it clicked off. I even tried to copy but it clicked off before I could paste it.
        I am curious what minor things someone thought up to keep him out of the running. He is not perfect and if anyone finds that person I’d like to meet him or her. Allen West is a fighter for the people. I have been following him for years. He doesn’t do everything I like but there is no one else that would agree with me 100% of the time. If they did I would feel placated.

  • MARYANN33

    I don’t believe in women in combat ever, but I think it is better than wearing burkas…

    • RhondaReichel

      @MARYANN33  It’s not that we have to choose one or the other Maryann.  Women in combat is a desperate measure.  Now we are behaving like Israel putting our women’s lives at risk for what?  Nobody can tell me that women can take the place of men on the front line.  Rape is already a problem in the military, let’s see how much worse it gets now.

  • BillBoltinghouse

    I hate to be too picky, but – it is RINO = Republican In Name Only!
    Karl Rove has always been a RINO as was George Bush!
    We must replace these RINOs with TRUE Conservatives!

  • davienne

    THE HELL HE WILL…..

  • Greg137

    It is not rhinos, but rather it is RINOs(Republican In Name Only)…  Karl Rove is a sellout who has drank the liberal kool-aid!  We need to spread the word that Fox has been infiltrated by Left wing liberals…  If you get any mail telling you to save Fox news from getting dropped(called don’t drop fox news),  awnser it by telling them to drop Liberal Karl Rove, but don’t give them any money…  Giving Fox news a donation will only encourage them to keep selling out conservative values…

  • pop40

    This CVP only proves one thing, that the so called moderate (republicans) are nothing more than progressive wannabes. To them, as the progressives, it is all about money and power, and we are nothing more than a foul substance to be wiped off their shoes.

  • tg7357

    So far this morning I’ve had 2 doses of stupidity that I didn’t need for a Tuesday: Ron Paul and Karl Rove. Of the two Rove is much more dangerous. Ron Pual is out of control of his mouth, and Rove is out of control of his mind.
    Someone remind me: when did we Republicans put Karl Rove in charge of the RNC??

    • n2woods

      @tg7357 Rove is hated by the left according to the media.  Rove is seen as the mastermind behind the Bush success because media can’t believe that the country would support conservative values no matter how compassionate they are portrayed.  Democrats see him as a threat and therefore Republicans who want to win, regardless of how, love this guy.  Now that he failed the left will prop him up and the progressive Republicans will keep hoping that he will help them win again.

      • tg7357

        @n2woods In the last election all the runners Rove backed LOST. That ought to tell conservatives and fence-sitting republicans something. What Rove is doing is circling the old guard Republicans on the Hill to try to hang on to what power they have left. But because AMericans are fed-up with both Republicans, Democrats, liberals and politicians in general, this is now the time for the TeaParty to start recruiting among the disenfranchised.  Rove might succeed in strenghtening the third-party in America simply by being his idiotic self.

        • n2woods

          @tg7357 Like many Republicans who backed Romney and other moderates, they don’t understand why Bush W won.  They don’t understand why Obama and Clinton won.  They really don’t understand how Reagan won the hearts of so many Americans as shown by his funeral procession.  They are focused on winning instead of believing.  It is unfortunate.  Rove isn’t the reason Bush W won or, like you pointed out, Rove’s candidates would have won.  Rove is not the enemy, but he’s not the answer either.  Rove points out many facts yet fails to understand the why.  Focusing on winning is a loosing strategy.  Focusing on the bullseye produces winners.
           
          Life, liberty and freedom through smaller government and stronger character should be the target of Republicans.

    • livefyre8158

      @tg7357 Look to the GHWBushSr family.
      Who put GHWBushSr in charge of the CIA, subsequently the Repub party ?  Perhaps Ronald Reagan ?  If you call Ron Paul stupid, you would do well to check out your resident measure of stupidity.

      • tg7357

        Ron Paul lets his mouth over-rule his brain , as he did in his comments about Kyle Cline, the most decorated US sniper in the history of the US military.  Even if he really believes ‘those who live by the sword, die by the sword’, you don’t make a public statement like that in the wake of such a tragedy. Ron Paul is yapping like a dog, trying to get attention to himself and its nauseating. He’s another one that needs to sit down and shut up!

        • mitglied

          @tg7357 At least today, you have the freedom to vote for snipers, and I have the freedom to vote for Ron Paul.  If we continue to have this freedom in Feb 2014, it will be because several thousand “Ron Pauls” have stood up and continued to shout the truth until members of Congress have extracted their heads from their anuses.

        • RhondaReichel

          @tg7357  Ron Paul called it as he saw it. I see it that way too.  People don’t like the truth.  They want to believe they are doing the right thing invading countries that haven’t attacked us on false premises.  
          Glorifying a sniper is sickening.  They are nothing but hunters of men, killing at a distance.  In past wars they were reviled by the common soldier.  He justified his murdering as killing savages never understanding that those savages were defending their countries.  These wars have killed or displaced hundreds of thousands of average citizens for no good reason…..except GREED.  
          Might doesn’t make right.

        • tg7357

          You can vote for whomever you want, as long as you remember something very important: elections have consequences.  You should understand that today from what’s sitting in the Oval Office trying to make himself into a dictator. I’ve never liked Ron Paul because I think he’s very short-sighted on foreign policy. Ignoring Iran is NOT going to make them  go away, as he believes.

        • tg7357

          How many American troops lives do you think that Chris Kline saved as a sniper? It was a sniper that took out the Somali pirates holding the ship captain as a hostage for days.
          You can agree or disagree with WHY a war is fought, but you need to remember 1 very important thing: a soldier serves where he’s told to serve, as he’s told to serve. If you had ever been a soldier instead of a whiner, you’d understand that. Kline did as he was ordered to: Ron Paul should have just kept his flapping lips shut. I have 1000 times more respect for Kline than I do for Paul.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @tg7357 I don’t believe Ron Paul ever suggested “ignoring” Iran.  I believe he was simply stating that starting another “hot” war was not the correct way to go.  But like suggesting that only a Demon-crat or Republican are the only two choices it seems America has boxed herself into two ways to handle other countries.  Appeasement or out and out shooting war.  Appeasement didn’t work so well with North Korea and it isn’t going to work with Iran either.  And the folks in the CIA have had all their teeth pulled and tools removed from access to them.  Thank you Bush and Clinton.
           
          As far as elections having consequences, this is true only when you have fair and open elections.  When is the last time America had one of those?  It never happened after Reagan I’m sure of that.  The current Republican Party, Regan wouldn’t have even been able to be nominated.

    • RhondaReichel

      @tg7357 Ron Paul is the only statesman who speaks the truth to power….all the rest of them are lying.  He’s been lecturing congress over 20 years about kicking the can down the road and you should have been listening as well.  Non interventionist foreign policy would have brought us out of this fiscal nightmare had the people listened.  Rather than being out of control his mouth has been the only voice of sanity.

      • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

        @RhondaReichel  @tg7357
         That’s simply not true.  Ron Paul has done very little in Congress, and he’s supported Progressive policies, such as restricting gun manufacturers.  Where’s free-market Ron Paul there?
         
        Ron Paul also surrounds himself with 9/11 truthers and anti-semites.  He’s not “the answer”.  A responsible public is the answer.

        • RhondaReichel

          @Jaycen  @tg7357  Anti Semites is a very misused term.   Arabs are semites dummy.   Obviously you are an Israel firster….immigrate to Israel then because we only need Americans who put THEIR OWN COUNTRY first.,  
          Do you really think the term 9/11 truther makes you sound intelligent?  It shows me you are a sheep who will believe anything you are told in spite of all evidence to the contrary.  There have been so many false flags that have been proven to be true that it’s amazing to me that anyone could not question 9/11.  Are you expecting me to believe that 16 intelligence agencies, NORAD, and all the might of the largest military in the world couldn’t have prevented that attack???
           
          Other countries warned Bush it was in the works months ahead of time.  He LET it happen.  Probably to cover up one of his crimes….and certainly to give him justification to invade Iraq.  Wise up.

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @RhondaReichel  @tg7357
           
          Rhonda,
           
          Thank you for exposing the fact that you don’t plan to be intellectually honest with us.  When you walk into the debate with ad hominem, I know I can avoid wasting my time reading the rest of what you say.  Seriously, it saves TONS of time.
           
          Best Regards,
           
          Jaycen

        • RhondaReichel

          @Jaycen  @tg7357  You are also wasting your time voting if you wish to stay ignorant.  I’m as intellectually honest as you will ever find.  Show me one thing I’ve said that’s dishonest.  
           
          Here you go….this law is on the books….you can look it up.  Disarmament of the Military is planned and has been implemented as you can see by the over deployment of limited amounts of soldiers and them slashing the military budget.  U.N. troops are on our soil now.  How stupid can one be to deny it?  Especially when it’s public record.
           
          http://youtu.be/tIUWDo0Gy9k
           
          wishing it wasn’t so is how we got into this mess….wake up Pollyanna and smell the coffee

        • RhondaReichel

          @Jaycen  @tg7357  Here’s another one….from a former governor
           
          The law is on the books….it shows a copy ….you are free to research it but you won’t because you don’t want to believe that all your heros were in on this
          http://youtu.be/7O7ez19Fq5w

      • tg7357

        Cupcake, heres a hard lesson in reality for you: ALL politicians lie, including Ron Paul when it suits him. You cannot be that naieve!!!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @tg7357 When PeeWee Prebutts was elected to head the RNC.  He delegates!

  • tg7357

    ”The Karl Rove Cartel Will Now Pick Your Rhinos” ~~~ I scarcely think so. Before I give Rove money I’d give it to the DNC. I have no use for ‘The Architech” and his buddies. all the people in the last election Rove and Co ‘backed’ lost.  This is the old guard Republicans circling the wagons as they try desperately to keep the Liberals and the Tea Party at bay. All Rove is going to do with this incredibly dumb political plan is send conservatives, independents and probablly some blue dog democrats high-tailing it over to the Tea Party. Karl Rove, you are an idiot. Sit downa nd shut up, and take that nitwit Boehner with you.

    • SandyTrank

      @tg7357 Do you remember in 2010 when Rove backed big time a candidate that lost and he had a temper tantrum on Hannity because Hannity voted for the guy who won? I lost all respect for him then.

      • tg7357

        Who could forget? I still want to know who died and made Karl Rove the head of the Republican party!!!

        • SandyTrank

          @tg7357 The CFR

  • Inspiri

    It appears all of your extreme positions stem from your belief that we are sliding into a tyrannical government. It is healthy to be critical & skeptical. But you must know you sound paranoid, worse, hysterical. Lest you think people like me will be proved wrong. We got 4 yrs for these knuckleheads to put us on a path to a fiscal surplus. LET SEQUESTRATION WORK. That was the compromise this conservative was looking for!

  • HelenJenkins

    It is time for we the people to grow up. Karl Rove and his ilk could not be successful without a compliant, acquiescence by a gullible we the people. We the people have the power given first by God, seconded by the Founding Fathers in the form of a written Constitution. Its time to lose the celebrity ‘awe’ and sentimentality. In other words, just because you see their faces on television ad nauseum or you have been re-electing the same corrupt politicians. All incumbents need to be voted out of office. They have been there too long. They have forgotten that they are representatives of we the people. There is an even greater need to recruit and elect a better calibre of representative. One who is not so susceptible to the addiction of power. Remember, Thomas Jefferson said, : Nation that wants to be both ignorant and free wants what never was and never can be.” America will be taken back and restored to its faith based, constitutional, law-abiding (No one is above the law) greatness, state by state. Forget Washington DC and Karl Rove. All are irredeemably  corrupt. They will not/cannot change (Power and money, honey). We the People can affect change by using common sense, losing celebrity awe and sentimentality-There is no need to love a politician, unless related by blood or marriage. Otherwise, throw the bums out! America will survive, America’s enemies will not! Keep the faith and the conversation going.

  • mitglied

    Carl Rove is one of many useful puppets, in what is confronting Americans now.  An excellent overview of the undermining of the USA was revealed in the 1954 Dodd report of the Reece Commission.  The goal of the NewWorldOrder is explained at  point 2000 and further in the video, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM ) by Mr. Norman Dodd as he was interviewed by G. Edward Griffin.  The leadership of the Carnegie Endowment, Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, via bribery and political influence were able to suppress the Dodd report. 
    The second video by Charlotte Iserbyt documents that the Hitler entourage and subsequent events were financed    ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6X8YgCBV8o ) by Wall Street banking.  There are many, specific persons who have been leaders in the unamerican activities.  One of them currently occupies the POTUS slot in the USA.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @mitglied  What other conspiratorial theories do you have? How about the little green men in fish tanks in Area 51? What about the fact that JFK was never really killed? Maybe we never landed on the Moon, it was staged by Hollywood. There have been some Hitler sightings also, he was directing the Super PACs of the right. I think the best and most reasonable theory, supported by fact, is that Prescott Bush, the grand pappy of Bush 43 was hands and glove with Brown Bothers Harriman and through their subsidiaries were doing business with the pre-WWII Nazis and continued their efforts through the war. But all your other conclusions are quite fishy.  As to the financing of Hitler, there is no mystery that German industrialists were quite comfortable with the order the Nazis brought, at the expense of the unions, the free press, social democrats, Jews and other minorities,  Unfortunately there are many here who support “right-wing” fascism and as they lose their Eurocentric hegemony, their hatred and scape-goatism will only increase.

      • livefyre8158

        @the Truth Seeker
        Your response includes a couple of important names while keeping the facts at a superficial level, avoiding names of current, alleged Americans.  Your usage of the leftist propaganda term “conspiratorial theories” to scapegoat the accurate information I presented, and your expert spinning of information indicates your vast experience in the propaganda arena.  Your propaganda and the alias you use, “Truth Seeker”, harmonizes very well with the standard leftist technique of truth reversal, which the alias B. H. Obama and entourage have used so thoroughly. Your points accumulation of 74 indicates that there are a lot of you on this thread.  The Obamacrat leftists must be very proud to have you among their rank ranks.  Sad, sad.  You could be assisting instead of decrementing mankind.

  • KYBUCK

    Rove is a trader.

    • RhondaReichel

      @KYBUCK  AND A TRAITOR

  • Middle Class

    So, Mr. Rove’s idea of a “perfect ”  candidate is one that is undiscernable from a moderately, liberal democrat.  In other words, “Vote for us republicans, we’re just like the democrats, just a little less bad.” 
    OR,
    “Our opponents, across the aisle in the democratic party want to drive our nation over a fiscal cliff at full speed… We have a much different approach, we believe that driving over the fiscal cliff at a slightly slower speed will be much better!”

    • Carol in Florida

      @Middle Class We Republicans HAVE NOT yet figured out who we are!!! WE Republicans who study history and current events for hours everyday (& I’m assuming that is everyone on this blog) toss out the term “RINO” as a term EVERYONE understands! But fellow patriots:  RINO means something different to every single one of us! “I’m not a RINO, I’m a TRUE conservative,” we ALL say.
      We can’t define “RINO” by studying the Republican party platform…we all know that. How about members of this blog STARTING this very complicated analysis? How about beginning with a very simple issue: abortion. Yes, it’s controvercial…but it’s easy to understand. A belief in which of these beliefs would turn a conservative into a RINO?
      1.  We must overturn Roe vs Wade and make abortion a crime..
      2.  We abhor abortion but feel it’s right for a woman to made the decision herself.
      3.  The woman can make her own decision but taxpayers shouldn’t pay a penny for it.
      4. Women can do what they want BUT Health insurance should NOT cover abortion or contraception.
      5. Abortion is permissible ONLY to save the life of the woman.
      6.  Abortion is permissible ONLY if 2 doctors (who don’t know the woman personally) determine that abortion is necessary to save the life of the woman. And the woman must pay the bill for the 2 doctors.
      7.  Abortion is permissible only if the fetus is the result of incest. The state should pay for the DNA tests.
      8.  Abortion is permissible only if the fetus is the result of rape or incest. The Woman herself should pay for the DNA testa.
      9.  Abortion is permissible only if the fetus is the result of rape or incest. Health insurance companies should be forced to pay for the DNA tests.
      10. Abortion numbers should be reduced by allowing “abstinance only” conclusions in public school  classrooms.
      11.  Artificial contraception leads to behavior that leads to abortion and should not be permitted.
       
      And this list is only a FRACTION of the MANY beliefs re abortion.
      So whose belief would make someone a RINO? I guarantee that there would be MANY different answers…from responsible good people! Good Republicans. And WE’RE knowledgeable Republicans! What about the “low-information” voters? And Abortion is an easy issue to understand.
       What about our Defense Policy? As the daughter and then the wife of flag officers, I wouldn’t BEGIN to think I had the answers re Defense Policy…because I have never been privy to Top Security briefings…and I’m guessing that neither have most of you. But I’m also guessing that you are convinced that those who don’t agree with YOU on our Defense policy are…you guessed it…RINOs!
       
      My point is that FIRST we have to stop fighting OURSELVES and do a MUCH better job of deciding who is NOT a RINO! The term is counter-productive to our party. Let’s band together and figure out what we want. The tea party original basics are a good place to start;
      1.  Smaller gov’t
      2.  Lower taxes
       
      And let’s be careful…this time…to stay away from “kooky demands” that alienate the average voter.

      • GrumpyOldMan

        @Carol in Florida  @Middle Class I would have to disagree with much volume that a RINO is so hard to define or that it is a term that hasn’t been defined. Republican In Name Only.  You only have to follow the history of the Republican Party with their CONSERVATIVE viewpoints to know who is who.  A RINO votes with Democrats a significant part of the time.  A RINO caucuses with the Democrats.  Sen McLame is a Rino for instance.
         
        Roe v. Wade was a Supreme Court decision based on the political beliefs of the justices, rather than based on established Constitutional law.  There is no authority anywhere in the Constitution which allows the Federal Government authority in this issue.  To illustrate, murder has always been a state issue, not Federal unless it’s the murder of a Federal Government person in the performance of their duties.  Abortion is a form of murder and therefore is within the exclusive jurisdiction of the individual States.  It was a bad decision based on criteria other than law.  Ginzberg even stated once she voted in favor because she thought it wold reduce the “population of undesirable people”.  Not sure where she saw THAT in the Constitution.
         
        So abortion was probably not a good first choice for discussion.  Maybe basic economic theory would be better.  For instance Real Republican “You can not tax your way into prosperity”  Rino “Increased taxes are good for the economy.  Or it’s sister theory: Republican “You can not “spend” your way into prosperity. Spending needs to be contained.  RINO: “I’ve got all these pet projects (pork) in my district that I need to get through so I can get reelected”.
         
        This is how you tell very easily who is who.

        • SandyTrank

          @GrumpyOldMan  @Carol in Florida  @Middle Class Just think of all the revenue there would be had they not murdered all those innocent babes in the womb. We are killing off our posterity and not much different than the Mayans who believed in human sacrifice and sacrificed themselves out of existence! We are doing the same, just at slower pace.

  • autonomous 1

    For decades the “so-called republican party” has been run by the neo-con Karl Roves who have NO real conservative values and are destroying the Constitution as effectively as the socialist/communist democrats.  People, PLEASE stop listening to the rhetoric of these people and vote ONLY for REAL CONSTITUTIONALISTS (look at what they have done and do not fall for their lying rhetoric).  Believing that the mealy-mouthed candidates are going to change their spots and govern as conservatives has gotten the country into the predicament we are now in.  Just because they are registered as Republicans doesn’t mean they are Constitutional Conservatives.

  • Robbie Eagle

    I think it will be funny to watch so called ,”minorities,”fight among themselves. It will happen. They are all jellos of each other. I have watched it in the workplace.

    • jlanghals34

      @Robbie Eagle How many Dumacrats voted for the Civil Right’s Act ?

  • DebbieOhio912

    I can’t remember who said that it is the Obama Administration’s goal to split the Republican party. Thanks for helping out the other side, Karl.

  • INSPCTR 4578 NJ

    The grand ole party is getting serverly nervous about The True Conservitive Partriots who stand for Smaller Gov. Less Spending. Constitutional law. Bill of Rights. DEc. of Indpndce…….Rove is at the point where he has elected his self as the final answer on who can and will run as a Repub…..Now is the time for all good men/women to come thothe adie of the country…Now is the time to show the strength we Partiots(Tea Party) really have and the finalcial backing….Since Carls want to be dicatator of The Rino Repub…and who will nnot stand with Honesty and Intergrity. to fight the good fight…all Tea Party Canidates are going to  have a rough road to travel but as the saying goes when the way gets tough the Rough will only get Stronger…..This is why O. and the radical left. are trembling with frear..and so is rove..Rove and his Cohorts blocked Romney durning the election by not letting him stand strong on subjects that would have put the death Knoll in O.’s campaign…..So now it is up to the real Sons of Liberty and all the Constitutionalist to Joine together and climb above Carls dictatorship…and chase the Dems out of office..This wont be easy except When God is for you Who can be against you….Just one man’s opinion

  • DavidStroud

    If you’re not focused on ideological purity then I don’t know what you’re using as the basis for a strategic approach to winning. While Iwould not prefer a RINO is is preposterous to say that they are useless when they will not vote as a Democrat which you are willing to accept if you don’t get your way!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud Winning with RINO’s is losing.  You might be winning a battle, but you are losing the war.  The problem is that in matters that country RINO’s vote with the Dummy-crats.  That’s why our debt just keeps getting higher and higher.  The RINO Speaker of the House had numerous chances to do something about taxes and spending.  He capitulated to OBozo each and every time.  Vote for a RINO might as well vote for a big “D” because the outcome will be the same.

  • DavidStroud

    No conservatives don’t always win when un-vetted candidates like the one who said that raped women couldn’t get pregnant in a state that was winnable but lost due to who we ran! You still don’t understand strategy. No I don’t like RINOS but I will take one any day if I have to due to strategy, over a Democrat & there is a difference you haven’t recognized!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud If there is a “difference” I haven’t recognized it either!

  • DavidStroud

    This happens all the time in politics! All the candidates ran down each other to some degree because they wanted the nomination. Come into the real world & quit being so naive!

  • DavidStroud

    The subject is still about strategy if you haven’t got it yet! You would rather have a Democrat than a RHINO? You need help to see what you’re doing!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud OK. So your preference is Miller Lite instead of Miller?  That seems to be what your saying.  Thanks but I prefer a Bud.

      • RhondaReichel

        @GrumpyOldMan  @DavidStroud  Ha ha ha Grumpy….good one!

  • DavidStroud

    Wrong again. While RHINOs are not my choice I’d rather have one of them than a Demo. You are so myopic you can’t see the difference.

  • DavidStroud

    Now you’re swinging to a different subject & you still don’t get the point. I also agreed with Rand Paul. You’re still assuming prejudically that to take a position you don’t like you’re like the rest of that person’s positions. Life just ain’t that simple!

  • DavidStroud

    Get help to clear your head!

  • DavidStroud

    You’re so aggressively fanatical you are not part of any solution to getting rid of the liberals!!!

  • DavidStroud

    The media gave it to him. Yell at them!

  • DavidStroud

    The present speaker is not prepared for his post but I have tosay that because the people gave, at least we think they did, Obama a 2nd term & he has the upper hand it’s not easy to get as much as you can any way you can!

  • DavidStroud

    I don’t know her reasons & I’m not going to assume what was attached to that bill just as they do in Washington but I wish the bill had passed!

  • DavidStroud

    One point you stated it totally wrong: strategy has to take precedence on getting everything you want. You want everything or you seem not to want to play. Getting rid of liberals is the focus@

  • DavidStroud

    You really to get rid of your vicious circle so you can think clearly!

  • DavidStroud

    when it comes to reading & comprehending you need lesions. Everyone knows the agenda of the socialists & the mistakes of RINOS as well as other conservatives so you don’t need to tell us what we already know.

  • DavidStroud

    While I don’t give Karl Rove credit for a lot I’m not throwing the baby out with the bathwater as you seem to favor. FOX does cover every side of an issue & that’s helping them beat the main steam media! Get it?!

  • DavidStroud

    I agree with Ron Paul too but radicals like you are going to spoil it for all of us because of your fanaticism. There are things, believe it or not, that if you listened that are right from others whether RINOS or other conservatives!

  • DavidStroud

    While I agree with your points about kids you should apply the same thinking to on-liberal politicians!

  • DavidStroud

    If Perry had started out with the conviction & verve that he showed at the end he might have had a chance but he didn’t!

  • DavidStroud

    I don’t go along with TARP or any of the others you mention gut you still lump everyone together when they express an idea foreign to you. This is the stuff of prejudice!!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud If you could learn to post within the conversation it would help people figure out what the hell you’re talking about.  You seem to be jumping all over the place like a madman.

  • DavidStroud

    I’m allowing no such things as you mention. You are very confused & need to get off your fanatical ‘high horse’ & make sense for a change!

  • DavidStroud

    Where did I denigrate or Constitution? I am for every word in it. You just don’t understand it & haven’t studied the people who wrote it. It is as current as today’s real news & doesn’t need to be changed except for term limits & a couple of other items. But you’re so confused you wont understand anyway!

  • DavidStroud

    Me fanatical? Hardly! I would not have been for Ron Paul for anything. It’s Rand Paul!!!!!

    • Don39

      @DavidStroud Hey, wake up , your comments are worthless because they have no context! Are you dense or what?

  • DavidStroud

    Complexity in the matters I have discussed are not for the unfocused. Jumping all over the place? No Way! I followed the comments made & answered them as they came. Pay attention!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud I am.  But apparently all of a sudden every reply is being grouped together in one place and no longer within sequence.  I just got another one at the top of the list of yours that is likewise posing in the wrong place.  Appears to not be anything you are doing.  Sorry. 
       
      At this point I’d say the lights just went out  May have to reboot.  I am using Microsoft after all.

  • Sgt York

    @KennDillion Some of what you said I agree with but  but When our Taxes go up and your wages go down,loss of some freedoms and you just think  WOW I got just one year of this DiP Stick and things will get better that shore sounds good to a poor workin man

  • DavidStroud

    Dont take it so hard! You’re just devoid of any degree of logic! You must have diarrhea of the brain to say I don’t know anything of military matters or haven’t risked my life.Just trying to deal with nonsense from the epitome of hypocrisy such as yourself would give some people a heart attack from knowing people like you are around! Hope your diarrhea gets better but you’ll need a lot of help!

    • jlanghals34

      @DavidStroud I can not believe you are a veteran.I have never met a veteran as uninformed as you !

      • Don39

        @jlanghals34  @DavidStroud Apparently David likes shooting in the dark and talking to himself.

    • Don39

      @DavidStroud Who is? Or do you care?

  • Sgt York

    @Rhonda Reichel I agree with you but Until We Take names and Kick Butt The Republicats  will continue on as Dummycrats wanna be’s

  • DavidStroud

    When it comes to extreme you need to take a long hard look at yourself. You are extreme. You are a fanatic. The kind that produces just what they say they’re against!!

  • http://www.cox.net/ Pierre77L

    Pierre77L@DavidStroud The statement you made whether we vote Rinos or the True Conservatives, is not the way we should be doing by voting with our conscience.  The Bible in the Book of James 5:12″ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by earth, neither by any oath: but your yea be yea; and you nay, nay, lest ye fall into condemnation.” Voting for the lesser evil won’t help, it was disservice that’s why Obozzo the clown, won the election.  The Insiders knew how to manipulate people’s heart and mind.  I like Ron Paul, he is the most ideal candidate, but Karl Rove would like guys like Gingrich, McCain, Santorum, Boehner. If you’re willing to get more info, how it works read” The Shadows of Power: The Council of Foreign Relations and the American Decline” by James Perloff. The book won’t let you believe it, it will make you research that are already buried in the Library of Congress. I leave it up you. S if you want to believe what you really believe and claim that you have a degree in History. Bless Your Heart !

  • DavidStroud

    Good luck!

  • DavidStroud

    I’m not defending him, however, he’s a hell of a lot better than what we have now!!

  • DavidStroud

    While I get my information from many sources of varying philosophies where do you get yours?. You need to get some books, websites, reliable info from any reliable source, if you know what one is, & get your head together!!

  • DavidStroud

    I wouldn’t force any to term except those that are already on the way. I favor contraception paid for by the person using it but I do not favor murder in the name of abortion!!!

    • Don39

      @DavidStroud Are these responses? To whom? It might be easier to follow and keep things in context if you use some form of address as to subject or addressee! Like use the reply button or put in an addressee.

  • DavidStroud

    These terms have not been lumped together by me. I am not for all GW Bush did but still he did better than the disaster we have now!

    • autonomous 1

      @DavidStroud GW Bush was marginally better but do you remember that George Herbert Walker Bush (GW’s father) said in a speech that the future of mankind was in the NEW WORLD ORDER.  (neo-con) republicans have been destructive of the Constitution for decades.

      • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

        @autonomous 1  @DavidStroud
         
        Autonomous 1,
         
        I wish people wouldn’t use the made up term “Neo-con”.  I’m sure it means something to you, but the term was coined by a Progressive Socialist who thought other Progressive Socialists were being too hawkish on the Gulf War.  He called his fellow Progs “Neo-cons” in order to intimidate them.
         
        I don’t know of a single Constitutional Conservative who uses the term “neo-con” to describe anyone else.  Please stop using the Progs language.

        • autonomous 1

          @Jaycen  @DavidStroud Well, Jaycen, “Neo-Con” is a “Progressive” with an “R” designation.  A “neo-con” professes fiscal conservatism and constitutionality but is]in reality, a big government, interventionist, New World Order proponent.

  • DavidStroud

    Have you had your eyes checked? Your comments don’t represent anything I’ve said!

  • DavidStroud

    Remember: Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater!

  • autonomous 1

    Ignorance and stupidity usually go together. RHINO is a large beast, while RINO is a Republican In Name Only.   Voting for a RINO is perpetuating the collusion of the parties to effect a NEW WORLD ORDER.  By the way “affect” and “effect” are not the same word.  Consult a dictionary.  I am assuming that you do not own one, so go to the search bar for the meaning of words that you might like to throw around.

    • Don39

      @autonomous 1 I suspect that the person you were replying to at least knew how to send a reply using some form of address with the reply button being very easy to use and avoiding the terrible task of actually typing in a name!

  • http://whenthefatmamspeaks.com/ gary jones

    Progressives and Rhinos are only different in name;  with world order as their common goal. The people will have to make the changes because our government has no respect for the people and will continue to  commit tyranny..

    • Don39

      @gary jones If you knew what a RINO was or how to spell it I might consider your comment. I suspect you know about as much about the fictictious and nebulous new world order that is often alluded to , but does not exist. Of the two, RINOs are definitely the most danger to our Republic!

  • Teckwa13

    Have been wonsering thru several elections how party selected its nominees, Didn’t seem to have anything to do with common sense  and pulse of the nation.  Now it seems that there’s an insider group (Who appointed them?)pretty well running things.  Can only hope that younger people who’d like a party that follows the Con stitution and not their own agenda can make their voices heard  Lemon Drop

  • DavidStroud

    @ dodie1990 Calling me an amoral clod for my opinions shows that you know nothing about religion or propriety of any kind. Furthermore, if you had any viable positions you’d state them like an intelligent person which you are obviously NOT!

    • the Truth Seeker

      @DavidStroud  I consider myself bright, well read, well-off, self-sufficient, politically savvy and very experienced after 45 years in both the private sector and the political arena. I would concur after reading your posts, that you are not only an amoral clod, but an ignorant one to boot.  Look at your recent contributions.
       
      “These terms have not been lumped together by me. I am not for all GW Bush did but still he did better than the disaster we have now!”
       
      “GW Bush was marginally better but do you remember that George Herbert Walker Bush (GW’s father) said in a speech that the future of mankind was in the NEW WORLD ORDER.  (neo-con) republicans have been destructive of the Constitution for decades.”
       
      Just reading those remarks disqualifies you as a rational thinker. Unfortunately 238 leading American historians, in the Sienna College Poll who represent all sectors of political philosophy, disagree with you specious evaluation.
       
      Siena College Research Poll Ranks Obama 15th Greatest President
      By Mark Whittington
      If you ever wondered how President Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize when (a) his presidency is not even over yet and (b) his main claim to fame is sowing discord, look no further than the Siena College Research Poll ranking presidents.
      Barack Obama has not even completed his term as president yet, and, for a growing number of Americans, that can’t happen fast enough. But, nevertheless, the academics participating in the Siena poll ranked Obama 15th out of 44 Presidents.
       
      Mind, this puts Obama ahead of John Adams, a Founding Father, and Ronald Reagan, who won the Cold War and ended the stagflation of the 1970s. The One is behind Bill Clinton, who made the name “Lewinsky” a synonym for a sex act and the girl in question an ash tray; Kennedy, now considered by most somewhat overrated; Teddy Roosevelt, colorful for all the familiar reasons, but still a liberal fascist; and the very much overrated FDR, who botched the Great Depression and enacted Social Security, one of the out-of-control entitlements that is now eating the federal budget.
       
      By contrast, George W. Bush, who successfully fought off the terrorists after 9/11, is somewhere between Millard Fillmore and Franklin Pierce down in the basement, below both Carter and Nixon. George H. W. Bush is in the middle rank between McKinley and Van Buren. Indeed. The only Republican in the top 10 is Ike. These rankings should be of no great surprise, especially for anyone who has taken college-level history and political science courses in the past 30 or so years. Most professors are left wing, and focus their teaching and research through that prism. Students of a more conservative bent either argue with the professor and suffer the consequences at exam time, or else shut up, hunker down, and drink heavily after class to relieve the shame of stifling one’s beliefs and values.
       
       
      Siena College Poll 2010, Presidents Ranked by Category
       
      “Aside from the newest entry in the “Bottom Five”, George W. Bush, the others have a firm hold on this ignominious distinction. Three, Pierce, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson wrap around one of our finest presidents, Abe Lincoln and those three perennial poorly ranked are held responsible for a failure to avert the Civil War in the case of Pierce and Buchanan, and perhaps even more shamefully in Johnson, 3 prolonging the national disgrace with a prejudiced, Jim Crow, reconstruction,” according to Professor Tom Kelly, Professor of History and American Studies, emeritus Siena College.
       
      The Siena College Research Institute (SRI) Survey of U.S. Presidents is based on responses from 238 presidential scholars, historians and political scientists that responded via mail or web to an invitation to participate. Respondents ranked each of 43 presidents on a
      scale of 1 (poor) to 5 (excellent) on each of twenty presidential attributes, abilities and accomplishments. Overall rankings were computed by assigning equal weight to each of those twenty categories. For additional information about the survey visit
       
      http://www.siena.edu/sri/research or contact Professor Tom Kelly at 518-372-7890 or Dr. Douglas Lonnstrom at 518-783-2362.

      • DEfromDC

        @the Truth Seeker  @DavidStroud The Siena report is obviously biased by the teachings of the professors.  The questions or the selected responders are skewed from reality. 
        Based on what they have done for this country the worst is Obama( the anti-america president) followed by Jimmy Carter with 2 Bushes and Clinton are not far up the list which would have Washington as the best.  Coolidge and Regan should be 2 & 3 .  What was the worst corruption of Harding has finally been overtaken by Obama.  The order of the rest is academic and depending on the criteria could be sorted many ways.
         
        Karl Rove is an example of what happen when people are inside the DC beltway too long.  They loose why they were there to being in the in crowd.  Self importance grows to where they can’t see the nose on their face.  Common sense goes out the window and only personal importance and power matter.  People like Rove need to go.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @DEfromDC  @DavidStroud You can rail all you want, you can take samplings from your buddies at the bar. You can complain how life is unfair, but you’ll have to argue with 238 of the top American historians, who are polled by Sienna College. By the way, it is a Catholic school, not known as liberal, but you should Google the poll and read it. Sorry about the claims of corruption, more Reagan appointees went to jail then in the three most corrupt administrations in our history: Grand, Harding and Nixon. Rave on McDuff, but in the words of the late Senator Pat Moynihan, “you are not entitled to your own facts.” You can look it up!

      • Don39

        @the Truth Seeker  @DavidStroud It may be garbage, but you make up for it in volume. Must really keep your staff busy and your employer happy, since he never reads the stuff. Some think that volume is the cure for ignorance. If you were really intelligent you could probably boil all that nonsense down to a size that people might read. We do not come here to take a course in reading of the leftist mantra and failure. I certainly put no stock in the rankings of American presidents as decided by leftist intellectuals that you admire. You evidently are hung up on joining the intellectual ranks before you die.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39  @DavidStroud I’ll boil it down! As long as we have to deal with mental midgets like yourself, we have few worries.

        • Don39

          @the Truth Seeker  @DavidStroud Being called a mental midget by one as delusional as you is almost a badge to be proud of, if you were not so paranoid delusional!

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39  @DavidStroud Hey – I am off to bed,  I may check this site sometime tomorrow, but keep on punching. You’ll knock yourself out eventually.  Paranoid? No sane as a Bishop!

      • Don39

        @the Truth Seeker  @DavidStroud Your first sentence shows your delusion. It is not how much  a man reads but what he reads. The mind is just like a computer when it does not function properly, garbage in, garbage out. Yours, just based on its out put has been thoroughly saturated with inane leftist garbage. To bad it was not applied to something worthwhile and of benefit to mankind. You suffer the delusion of most leftist who want to be considered as intellectual, that volume input compensates for lack of deep thought and originality.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39  @DavidStroud  Look clown, I read your tripe all over the last edition of this site. If you can’t read in depth, whose fault is that. I read your your claptrap, but boy do I rarely see a quote, a fact and idea. You spend your time counter-punching, but your feckless efforts reflect the paucity of your positions. Where’s the beef, clod? Hedrick Smith, Jeff Madrick, Barry Ritholtz, are all well compensated, well respected writers, thinkers and journalists. They “ain’t” commies, Senor Torquemada. Who do you cite? I am waiting.for your well-considered response. Most Americans don’t buy into McCarthy-like slander and innuendo. Sorry were all not commie stooges and our views are in ascendency and you cannot stop the momentum.

        • Don39

          @the Truth Seeker  @DavidStroud Thanks for helping to prove my point leftist sycophant!

  • DavidStroud

    @RhondaReichel: Obviously you don’t understand the English language

  • DavidStroud

    @ autonomous 1 Maybe he did say that & he did a lot of things I disagreed with but I still would have rather had him as president than Michael Dukakis!!!!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud There you go. Picking the lesser of two evils again. 
       
      Republicans will always lose until they start putting forth candidates people want to vote FOR. Not vote for because there is nothing else that isn’t worse.  That doesn’t energize voters and doesn’t make it worth it to them to leave the house to vote.  Just another freaking politician.  Why bother? Oh look!  Jerry Springer is on!  Ain’t worth missing this for some lunk head Republican that ain’t gonna do nuthin anyways!

      • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

        @GrumpyOldMan  @DavidStroud
         
        Agreed, Grumpy.  Totally with you, brother.

  • livefyre8158

    Rove was elevated to a prominent position by the GHWBushSr family.  The continuing influence of GHEBushSr is revealed by the American heroine, Susan Lindauer in her videos and book, “Extreme Prejudice”.  Lindauer, a former asset of the CIA and former coordinator for contacts with authorities in the Near East, explains why Muammar Gadhaffy and Libya were destroyed, and who was behind it.  If Rove continues as currently, it will be due to continued support of the GHWBushSr entourage.

  • the Truth Seeker

    The Republican Party has a lot to atone for. The following is from Pulitzer Prize winner, Hedrick Smith.
     
    Hedrick Smith, a Pulitzer Prize-winning former New York Times reporter and editor and Emmy Award-winning producer/correspondent, has covered Washington and world capitals for The New York Times, authored several best-selling books and created 20 award-winning PBS prime time specials and miniseries.
     
    For 26 years, Mr. Smith served as a correspondent for The New York Times in Washington, Moscow, Cairo, Saigon, Paris and the American South. In 1971, as chief diplomatic correspondent, he was a member of the Pulitzer Prize-winning team that produced the Pentagon Papers series. In 1974, he won the Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting from Russia and Eastern Europe. From 1976-1988, he was The New York Times Washington bureau chief and chief correspondent. Mr. Smith began creating documentaries for PBS in 1989 with an adaptation from his best-selling book, The Power Game. PBS viewers saw Mr. Smith for 25 years as a principal panelist on Washington Week in Review and have also seen him as a special correspondent for The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. Mr. Smith has received six honorary doctorate degrees.
     
    His national best-selling books include The Russians (1976), The Power Game: How Washington Works (1988), The New Russians (1990) and Rethinking America (1995). After completing his B.A. at Williams College and doing graduate work at Oxford University, he worked for Universal Press International in Memphis, Nashville and Atlanta, 1959-62, and for The New York Times, 1962-88. He was chosen for a prestigious Nieman Fellowship at Harvard in 1969-70.
     
    On the first page, of his new book, “Who Stole the American Dream,” he quoted Aristotle on politics. He stated, “Thus, it is manifest that the best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class, and that those states are likely to be well-administered in which the middle class is large, and stronger if possible than both the other classes.”  On National Public Radio he stated, that our greatest period of growth, especially for the middle class came between 1943 and 1973. But, look what happened in the Reagan Era to follow:
     
    According to Smith, “The top 1 percent, super-rich, people with incomes over $352K a year made $1.35 trillion in 2007- more money than entire countries like France, Italy or Cana. They gained 2/3rds of the gains of US national income growth from 2002 to 2007 (the Bush 43 years), twice as much as the entire other 99 percent of Americans combined.”  (page 101) Of course this is the group that benefited most directly from the Romney vote. In other words 46% of his vote went directly to the interests of the 1%, the part of the GOP which are considered economic conservatives (interested in deregulation and low income taxes) or sure not interested in the goals of the social conservatives (Libertarians and the middle age, white male dominated, Tea Party). Smith goes on, “The top 0.01 percent, comprising of 15,246 families enjoyed an average income of $91 million in 2007 (we’re communist, huh?). They were raking in 6 percent of the nation’s overall income, or 600 hundred times their share in terms of numbers. One just have to know that The Walton Family (with an estimated wealth of $90), “enjoys the wealth equal to all the assets of the entire bottom 40% of the US population – 120 million people.”  (page 103)
     
    Both the excessive tax cuts authored by Reagan and Bush 43 were skewed to the wealthy to the tune of trillions. Tares were lowered, the inheritance tax benefited the top 2% and these folks “saw their average income jump fivefold from the mid 1990s to 2010. While the rich were showered with tax cuts, the average American was hit with a doubling of the payroll tax, which fuels Social Security and Medicare. In reality, “when economists did the numbers, they found that 52.5% of the Bush tax cuts went to the richest 5% of US Households, while 80% of Americans got one-fourth of the tax breaks through 2010.” (page 131). He quotes President George W. Bush in June of 2002, “Right here in America, if you own your home, you’re realizing the American Dream… That’s why I’ve challenged the industry leaders all over the country to get after it…by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. (page 192) He also quotes a mortgage broke, Kathryn Keller, who said, The banks are playing to brokers who specialize in driving people into loans that people don’t understand…They take a product that was exotic and move it to the category of a weapon- seriously. These loans go from being an exotic product to a hand grenade… (page 193)
     
    In Chapter 14, he discusses “The Great Wealth Shift.” “The America people realize they’ve been robbed, they’re just not sure by whom,” from “Reckless Endangerment,” by Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner. He also quotes John C. Bogle, of the Vanguard Group (a large Mutual Fund producer), who said, “Our present economic crisis was, by and large, foisted on Main Street by Wall Street – the mostly innocent public taken to the cleaners, as it were, by the mostly greedy financiers. One should read page 238 and learn about the role of Countrywide Financial, which paid the largest fair-lending settlement in US history – $335 million on civil charges that it had levied higher fees and loan rates to more that 200,000 minority borrowers than to whites with similar credit ratings. The firm’s CEO, Angelo Mozilo paid a $67.5 million fine to the SEC.
     
    In 1985, at the heart of the Reagan Era, and long after Jimmy Carter (who gets idiotic blame here for the housing bust) Americans owned 69.2 percent of the value of their (the banks owned the rest, according to Federal Reserve data) but, by 2011 the homeowner’s share of housing wealth had plunged to just 38.4 percent of the total value. Homeowners lost virtually 30% of the nations $20 trillion housing stock, about $6 trillion through equity stripping.
     
    Of course this whole industry was bolstered by the bond-rating agencies (S & P, D & B, Weiss, Moody’s, etc) who were giving the AAA ratings. Just read the front page of today’s NY Times and see that the US government is suing the S & P for fraud in a suit regarding “loan bundles.” They are accusing the agencies of inflating the credit ratings on mortgage investment. The government has a 120 page indictment, loaded with insider emails, letters, and accuses the S & P of rigging phony ratings. The Feds are looking for $5 billion and many feel they will be forced to pa.
     
    The bottom line is that it was hardly the social liberals, the Democrats or the progressives that “tanked” the economy, exported the jobs, created the great wealth transfer or made the country socialist. In fact, it is pure, poorly regulated capitalists who authored the boom, the collapse and the attempted cover-up. The ratings companies are private, an arm of Wall Street and big business and have never been controlled by our government. They were supposed to be the fire wall for the consumer. Where were they? They were complicit and everyone who has worked in that industry knows it.  I was employed in that world for 15+ years.)
     
    So don’t call me a liar, don’t call me an inventor of so-called facts. This book was written by a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter and I suggest you folks read his  book and fight with him.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @the Truth Seeker
       Well said. The Republican Party has been complicit in many wrong turns and the damage that was caused. I understand that it is a huge leap……..but is the current Democrat agenda a better solution? Massive debt and rising, cooking the books to produce favorable stats and numbers to further maintaining there hold on power? Wealth and income confiscation and redistribution?
       
      The U.S. is being left behind because of the sum total of the failure of political infighting and blaming the other guy. The only difference between discussing then and now (Republicans versus Democrat solutions) is the severity of the outcomes.
       
      Where do you think the middle class will be in 4 years if we continue to pursue Keynsian theories? Who and how will the U.S. ever become fiscally healthy given historic GDP figures and the short term and long term debt we have?

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Benevolent Thinker One has to consider the alternative. A mendacious, callow liar like Romney, who sheltered one-quarter of a billion dollars overseas, would have been denied the nomination in any other era. He was up against a field of brigands and know nothings. It is not a stretch to believe that Cain, Bachmann, Perry and a few others were complete fools. Santorum was on the payroll to the tune of $1 million per year from the very people he oversaw in the Senate. Gingrich was a bounder and a brigand, aside from being  a womanizer. Shall I go on?
         
        If Romney had been elected, only two words counted to every Democrat, 60% of the women, the minorities, most of the Jews, many liberal Catholics and the youth, “Supreme Court.” As for Obama’s  policies, the heart of our runaway deficits are coming from health care,  and especially with regards to the aging of our country, the baby boom demographic and the runaway costs of servicing 50 million uninsured.
         
        Therefore, health care reform, which had been on political docket since it was removed from the original Social Security Act of 1935, had to be addressed. Medicare has extended life, and they have a “right to life” as much as the multi-million dollar preemie. Therefore, the payroll tax, which has been raised over the years, is the only way to finance our social responsibilities. So without raising that and regressive tax, which affects the lowest earners the most, we have to contain costs. Have the private insurers agreed? Of course not. They have jacked up premiums continually. Is it the government’s fault that the average worker, who has insurance provided by his firm is paying 25% of a $16k premium with a $1K deductible? He’s behind the 8-ball $5K before his kid gets an inoculation. Does the Teapublicans care about public health? Not in the least!
         
        The deficits that have occurred are a direct result of two factors; the worst crash since the Great Depression and the  added needs of a public in want and need. What were thealternativess on the right? Balance the budget at all costs? But what budget? The discretionary budget is 66% defense and debt! So if you do not cut defense, where can you cut in that budget that is meaningful? Frankly and statistically very little. So what is the target of the right, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which strikes at the heart of a vulnerable people. What is their real solution? More tax cuts for the rich, who are doing quite well. Few even pay the 36% take rate. Romney paid less than 14% on the taxes he revealed and he didn’t reveal the balance because he paid nothing for years. it was easier for him to take the heat over his so-called privacy, than reveal the whole truth. All one has to look at his tax-sheltered millions in his IRAs.
         
        In truth, we are facing a long row to hoe for two specific reasons. We have years to go regarding energy independence, and that will help with our balance of payment deficits and create better conditions for domestic manufacturing and we have an aging 100 million citizens of pre baby boomers and boomers. Until that demographic crests we have problems.
         
        We actually have a shrinking population and without immigrants who have been doing the scut work since before the republic was born little would have been built or harvested. First Black slaves, than Irish and Chinese to work on the RRs, than Jews and Italians and Greeks to work the needle trades, than Mexicans to handle the food needs during WWII  and now illegal immigrants who worked for Republican-leaning businesses: WalMart, big agriculture, fast food, big hospitals, restaurant chains, meat processing, the building trades and lawn care. In truth, Blacks are tired of working in those low end jobs and white trailer park, trash, well-represented here, don’t care to do much of anything.  The irony is that Republican policies of the last 3 decades is to kill domestic labor with cheap illegal workers and export the high wage blue collar jobs to low wage, non-benefit countries. First it was Japan, Taiwan, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Vietnam and now China. It was Bush 43 that turned to China to finance the two unfunded wars, the unfunded Medicare Drug Plan, and the faith based initiatives and he gave us the only tax cuts in out history during wartime.
         
        Most of the specious claims here about Democrats as commies, who are selling out the country are lunacies. But, there is one profound reality, as the aged die off, and they are about 93% white, the remaining 213 million are mostly non-white and even though all birth rates for all groups are down, white birth rates mirror European realities.
         
        The bottom line is that we have problems, my piece is not a lie, and the obfuscation, filibuster and the do-nothing House GOP are not helping the country. We have problems to solve and 33 futile votes in the House to overturn “Obamacare” are a waste of time. The personage bills are a waste of time, and the rest of their social agenda is a waste of time. They want to starve the government, feed the Military-Industrial Complex and bring back states’ rights, cheap right to work labor and maybe even Jim Crow. But the numbers are against them and by 2016, their influence will probably all be over except for the shouting.

        • Don39

          @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker Another chapter from that scatter brained leftist shotgun mind. Let me guess you have always suffered from the leftist  named attention deficit disorder! It is a part of the leftist psychopathology.

        • celi65

          @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker
           Thank You;
          You have concisely mentioned many topics of which I agree and feel strongly about.  You have upset many and confused most, but don’t let that stop you from speaking your mind.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker Hate to bust your bubble Fantasy Seeker, but other than the Clown In Chief OBozo, who else tells lies while talking in their sleep?  You have to be a total moron with their head so far up their rectum, for so long, that the methane gas has killed every brain cell but two, and they can’t afford the long distance phone bill to communicate with each other.  Your pathetic.

        • Don39

          @celi65  @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker  More proof that feeble minds are concentric!

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @the Truth Seeker
           Well you attempt to blame every ill this country suffers on the Republicans. I asked you to comment on our current predicament and the Democrat solutions and you simply blamed Republicans. You are avoiding the economic realities of Obama/Democrat Debt. You are also avoiding any blame for the causes of the 2007 recession.
           
          You may be right about Republicans influence. However, the one thing you seem to neglect to consider is conservatives. You know the people that pay taxes, own businesses, employ your so-called needy and fund your Presidents failing economy.
           
          If conservatives wake up and pull their influence from this economic morass all of those “not fault of their own”” people you wrap your arms around wont have anyone to depend on but your Democrats and their windy excuses.
           
          I asked for solutions and you give excuses. You first comment indicated that you may understand reason. Then again it was written by a Pulitzer Prize winner not you.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Benevolent Thinker  It is easy to wreck a society or almost anything else. It is much more difficult to put it together. We need cooperation from the centrists in both parties and we need extremism to be marginalized
           
          If I were president and had carte blanche and the cooperation of Congress I would do a few things immediately:
           
          A. Raise the Medicare payroll tax for workers, not businesses. The workers are the beneficiaries.
           
          B. I would raise the cap on the Social Security payroll tax, again on the recipients to between $150K and $200K from its present $113K. I would means test obesity with regards to the Medicare deduction from Social Security. In the same way private insurers rate health risk, lifestyle, etc., I would make it expensive to be obese.
           
          C. I would hire 100,000 more science and math teachers and create national scholarships for engineers
           
          D. I would ask for a voluntary cap on the increases of higher education costs reflective of 1/2 to 2/3rds of the CPI. I would punish any higher education institution with the loss of their tax exempt status if they did not bring their tuition demands into line.
           
          E. I would create a new CCC for young people between the ages of 18 and 24, which would focus on land reclamation, forestry, water resources and cleaning up toxic waste sites and rebuilding national park infrastructure. That would get you kids out of the cities, earning some money and creating training for their futures. In many areas the danger of overgrown foliage  threatens many roads.
           
          F. I would create a commission to evaluate the most immediate needs of our national infrastructure and authorize monies to repair the most dangerous roads, bridges, tunnels and etc.
           
          G. I would eliminate any remaining tax give aways to the oil and agriculture industries. Oil depletion, tobacco subsidies, etc.
           
          H. I would place even stricter guidelines on automobile mileage standards and work to make us energy independent. We are currently self-sufficient with regards to energy.
           
          I. I would restrict high-speed trading on Wall Street and create better guidelines on the conduct of independent ratings agencies: S & P,  Moody’s, etc.
           
          J. I would raise the capital gains taxes to 25% on individuals with incomes above $1 million per year.
           
          K. I would demand more parity with China with regards to our balance of payment imbalance and change the tax code with regards to American businesses who have shipped jobs overseas. i would create homestead allowances and incentives to keep domestic employers  from exporting their jobs overseas.
           
          L. As to Social Security recipients,  I would means test  the CPI increases for high net worth individuals and raise the minimum age for Social Security benefits to 63 or 64 from 62.  Any person who works past the maximum age of 70, I would start to lower their Social Security benefits 5% per year to encourage retirement and encourage the hiring of young people.
           
          M. As for Medicare, I would hope that the Affordable Care Act, which would extend health care insurance to 50 million uninsured would lower emergency room costs and therefore start to restrict above high inflation in health care.
           
          N. As for the corporate tax code, I would bring more uniformity to it.
           
          O. As for individuals, I would create a minimum FIT for all taxpayers, regardless of deductions. For political reasons I would have every worker pay some FIT tax. Of the so-called 47%, there are 4000  people who earned more than $2 million and paid no FIT. Most of those 47% were seen to be the retired, the unemployed, veterans, the disabled, widows and orphans. There were a percentage of low income workers who were given FIT tax relief by Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton. I would also have a minimum tax for the millionaires who have unearned income above $250K
           
          P. I would reduce local sales taxes as regressive and look to have for five years and energy/ carbon tax that would  go back to each level or production until there was less pollution, green house gases and smog.
           
          Presently there are 19 million state and local workers, whose numbers have been declining. Most are concentrated in the police, fire, sanitation, buildings, roads and education. It is up to the locales to determine their need. On the Federal level there are 4.4 million workers and they are overwhelmingly concentrated in the armed forces, the VA, and Homeland Security. There is no way to reduce that amount of workers except to shrink the Defense Department. Defense and debt service make up 66% of our discretionary budget. I would start to retire aircraft carrier fleets and their screens, concentrate on drones and lessen our manpower needs.
           
          But, there are no easy answers and any other right-wing nostrums, the few I have heard, carry no water, have no chance of being enacted and are basically self-defeating.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @the Truth Seeker
           So to sum up your plan. Raise taxes, reduce upper income entitlement beneficiaries, increase the debt through environmental protection policy changes and infrasture projects (not arguing the need, just the cost) , hope Obamacare reduces premuim costs and emergency room visits, introduce a carbon tax, protect American jobs by penalizing outsourcing, and reduce the size of the defense establishment because you feel it costs to much and wastes to much money.
           
          I probably left somethings out. If I have I apologize. It was alot to take in.
           
          I will not call you names or villify your ideas. They belong to you and should be treated with respect.
           
          I completely agree that Wall Street and the Capital markets must be riegned in. Dodd/Frank is a joke will accomplish nothing. Our nation to one extent or another is becoming nothing more than a financial services/consumer driven economy and middle and lower America are being left behind. Let’s face it the world needs ditch diggers and we have more diggers than ditchs. So to speak.
           
          How will expanding entilement roles, increasing business taxes and operating costs, increasing income and CG taxes, and weakening our military (and I would offer the care that our warriors receive) and financing infrastructure improvements (without cost controls because after all the gov’t is never under budget or on time) going to reverse the obscene increases we see in our short term national debt, fund long term debt, great economic growth at a rate to service the debt and pay it down and reduce unemployment and poverty levels?

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Benevolent Thinker Sorry, there are no easy solutions except to burden the lower middle class and the poor. I am running out the door, I host a local radio show on public policy. I don’t have all the answers, I believe in spreading the pain as evenly as possible. Again, if the answers were easy there would be a solution. I offered some of the top of my head public policies actions. Deregulation and low taxes on the rich, along with a free market, caveat emptor driven market place will lead to more great wealth disparity, social unrest and another collapse.
           
          We need all of the tings I suggested and time to let the crest of the demographic age bubble to happen. That will take 40 years and you and I will be gone and it will be a different America. I am happily retired, have a house in the 8th richest county in America and one in Palm beach County. I have two married, Ivy League children who are gainfully employed. I spent 45 years working from Wall Street to Main Street to the financial services as a registered planner. I come from 120+ years of American capitalists and few in my family or my Ivy League wife’s family have been anything but professionals and capitalists. No member of our extended family has worked for government and I know of no worker who was a member of a union.
           
          I am a life-long committed Democrat, but understand their limitations. The GOP is split between the economic royalists who have little loyalty for America except as a place to exploit and the social right, who I consider crazy at best, and dangerous at least.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @the Truth Seeker
           Why is it I always pick a fight with the bigger guy?
           
          I myself come from a middle class background. No one went to an Ivy league school and most of my massive family worked at jobs that required beating yourself up and staying out of trouble. I am the tail end of the boomers. Too young to retire and to old to make foolish decisions.
           
          When I was a younger and more idealistic man, I recognized that niether party was serving Americans well. My loyalties—for the most part—have been to Republican candidates with the exception of the rare and elusive conservative Democrat.
           
          I am a small government guy. I am not devoid of empathy for our nations poor, yet in my life I have seen its growth not irradication, in part due to some of the behavoir of your kind as well as the foolish decisions of our government.
           
          For me we are chasing our tails. As long as big money and special interests (of any kind) are keeping our government fat and happy the middle class and the poor will suffer. Spreading the pain is subjective. My pain differs from your pain. Sometimes my pain requires making daily decisions that you have probably never had to make in your life. I don’t fault those that are more fortunate and blessed with better fortune. As a matter of fact I wouldn’t change my life one bit. Accept for the hair loss that is.
           
          Reasonable solutions require accepting the cause of the problem before agreeing to a compromised solution. Your initial post (which I do not dispute in any way) showed me that your a man a reason. I to hope that people consider me reasonable as well.
           
          However, I am one of those social right (pro-life, pro-gun, pro-traditional marriage etc.) that you consider somewhere between crazy and dangerous. Perhaps somewhere between your Ivy League experience and my blue collar ideology lies the answer.
           
          Thanks for your respectful and thoughtful conversation. Look forward to hearing from you again and thank you for your outstanding input to the blog.

        • GrumpyOldMan

          @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker I pains me to say it, but some of these I actually agree with, maybe a couple of small adjustments.  That scares the crap out of me!

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker I have never seen such a long almost completely false diatribe as truth seeker’s rant above.  Between the rate of spending, Obamacare and the total disregard for law by the administration we will be lucky to exist as a nation in 2016.  You won’t recognize this as the United States of America unless the blatant power grab is stopped we will all be on the plantation or reservation as subjects to the government. 
           
          For example Obamacare was designed to not show  its impacts before 2012 elections.  By 2016 the only health care provider will be the federal government, IRS this yearor next gets access to your bank accounts to collect debts(  supposedly medical), Secretary level boards and community activists will be making medical decisions for you, and private hospital/clinics will be almost non existent in the US.  Medical training will be done by the government run schools with community activists deciding where the graduates go and probably who gets in.
          Does that sound like the USA we know? 
           
          That is just the tip of the iceberg on Obamacare.  I have read the drafts, bill and law so I know the intents in the complicated wording. You can only imagine how much more there is in all those pages.  No one could have read it and voted for it honestly.
           
          Unless constraints are put on the current path by 2016 we will be owned by other nations because of our debts from spending and under international law not the constitution so your rights will be gone.  The problems cited by Truth Seeker will be imposed upon you, me and all Americans -elite few think they are exempted but they will find out too late.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @GrumpyOldMan  @the Truth Seeker
           There are many truths spoken by Truth Seeker. Some of his policy positions are not reliable as they are based on theory or prophecy and will not play out as well as expected. I wished he had been able to continue the conversation as his life’s experiences would have been helpful in understanding the realities of the Wall Street world.
           
          For me many of our national and global problems can be solved by government getting out of the way. Economically and socially.
           
          My fear is that it will never happen as Americans are not really focused on solutions to our real problems.First,  If we are to ever turn our nation around we need to remove the big money influence (lobbies and campaign contributions and the tax exempt status of PAC’s, Unions and so called special interest political groups masqerading as charities)whether it be left or right wing from our government or  our national agenda and public policy will always be influenced and shaped by individuals protecting their needs over sound legislation.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @DEfromDC  @the Truth Seeker
           Although I agree with you I don’t think it serves anyones goals to villify what one man considers sound public policy (even if flawed). For the benefit of all who visit here it might be nice to have a non-combative discussion from time to time and hash out the the truth and fiction of proposals as opposed to just crapping in eachothers wheaties. As long as we continue to behave like the people in Washington we aint gonna get anywhere.
           
          Not to mention that the article was about Rove’s attempts to hi-jack the Republican elections.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Don39  @the Truth Seeker  @Benevolent Thinker You’re a victim of the Right Wing Propaganda Hate Machine. I take it you don’t like “leftists”.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Don39  @the Truth Seeker
           Mr. Kleerly, nice of you to finally show up. Here for you daily dose of ideological stop and frisk I see. Did you take you meds today?

    • DEfromDC

      @the Truth Seeker The Pulitzer Prize has no claim to reality.  It is a liberal award for liberal thinking divorced from any value except to liberal tinkers.  His opinions are just that, personal opinions.  Facts are to be invented or manipulated as needed in liberal writing, reports, documents, arguments and speeches. 
      RINOs like Karl Rove are becoming or are socialist but not as far left as the current administration.  Mein Kampf appears to be their play book.  Nazis is the  shortened name for National Socialists as stated in the book.  That is not a title to be proud of.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @DEfromDC Sorry that is unsubstantiated nonsense. Every part of the country that reflects education, style, art, literature, can’t be a commie, left wing plot. Your screed is meaningless and your conclusions are vapid, at best. Karl Rove is not a RINO, but a conservative, business-leaning realist in his party, not mine.Hard line, neo-fascism will just bring the end to the GOP much quicker. The Teapublicans who are led by 55+ year old white males, don’t have the issues no less the votes. if you think the shrinking, right-wing Vets will help your cause get real. Today’s army is small, there are not millions of draftees, and 22 of its expensive and dwindling members are committing suicide each day. Professional armies, which teach nothing but killing, and farm out to the private sector everything else, will not create trained people to re-enter civilian life. We have problems, but folks like you have zero solutions.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @DEfromDC 2010 wasn’t all that long ago for such bold and arrogant statements.  The Congress didn’t change hands.  The status quo remained the same, actually less votes for Obama.
           
          The left dominates media and higher education because those are the best ways they believe to control the minds of the populous.  Karl Marx’s 10 young men philosophy, read about it if you haven’t already.

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker your reply is what is shear nonsense based on no personal knowledge just what you have been told. The tea party members I have met across the nation include  many democrats and independents of all races. 
          Most are vets like me but few have my 60+ years of knowing people in the administrations, congresses, world wide diplomats, and 5 continents personally.  I was raised by a father who headed a US delegation to an international organization, thus being a presidential adviser to 5 presidents.  I have had clearances to see the intelligence data and spec ops operations for years.  I know what I am talking about from personal experience.  I have not met Karl only people that work with him.  So unless you know personally better information consider your comment propaganda you have been taught.
           
          The New York Times is the hub of the left wing talking points.  They and the Washington Post should be considered thicker versions of the National Enquirer.  Facts are only used when they can meet the story line. 
           
          Do you realize in Mein Kampf Hitler states “National Socialists (Nazis)…”  and that most of those advising the current administration are socialists, thus national socialists .  Read that book if you want to see what their plans are.  You will find it is the play book.  Many of those advisers are or are associates of the anti-American movements in the 60’s.  They fit the label.  Many current leaders of the Democrat party are big government socialists as well.
           
          Follow your “truth serker” name and don’t just believe what you are told, including what I have said.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @DEfromDC Whether your credentials are true or not, it is patently irrelevant. Your understanding of history and the definition of National Socialism exposes you as being ignorant of history, a failure in understanding the English language and totally in denial to the workings of the Nazis. Where you failed, God only knows and I could care less.
           
          The Nazis were politically right wing and the Communists left wing on the classic political spectrum chart (see the link to the chart). That’s basic high-school political science. The word “Socialist” does not mean left-wing in the context of the Nazi party and has no political relationship to the term Socialist as Americans think of it. They were Fascists – which is text-book right-wing, right up there beside Mussolini. If the Communist party of Russia were to change their name to “The Freedom Party” does that suddenly make them Libertarians and champions of individual freedom? The word “Socialist” in the Nazi party name was just a word and was quickly abandoned and does not mean that they are in way associated with the classic meaning of “Socialism” any more than the “Freedom” would mean the Communist party has suddenly embraced freedom. It was just marketing. Communism is not Socialism, and is anti-Capitalism and anti-private property. The Nazis were neither – thus they were not Socialists, nor Communists. Any reading of William Shirer’s seminal book, the “Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich,” which is the authoritative history, especially of their early days, will clearly explain the rivalries between the competing groups in post WWI Germany and their approaches to the faltering Weimar Republic. The Socialists and Communists were rivals within their understanding of what they considered the future of Germany should be. The Socialists were more moderate and the early Nazi leadership, even before Hitler, looked to create a unified front against Communism by peeling away socialist voters. In the main, Stalin and the Soviets were Communists, sworn enemies of the right wing, and for sure were enemies of modern European mixed economies that incorporated socialist “safety nets” for their public.
           
          Shirer, a most respected journalist of that era, worked for CBS, wrote the famous “Berlin Diary” and many other tomes dealing with Germany.  Germany existed far into WWII with an economy that was based on capitalism regarding every element of industry and commerce, including the whole wholesale and retail spectrum. Any denial of that would be purely sophistry, delusional or nonsense.
           
          Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/198675-were-nazis-socialists-moved-posts-war.html#ixzz2K7fB6K6Y
           
          Look at the classic European political spectrum chart: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/36/European-political-spectrum.png (broken link) From Wikipedia: “Nazism refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[1][2][3][4] The official name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP); and the term Nazism is a contraction from the German: Nationalsozialismus, (National Socialism). Nazism was the main form of National Socialism that emerged after World War I, and is generally considered a form of fascism.”
           
          Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/198675-were-nazis-socialists-moved-posts-war.html#ixzz2K7f2Y900

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker Try  http://www.hitlerlibrary.org/ArmyTalk.pdf, page 10 of the pamphlet and 6 of the site.  “We National Socialists (Nazis)…”  Combined with an explanation of the words “National Socialist” in German it makes a statement that infers a conclusion.
           
          I find it an excellent example of how things are used to make a point so I included it at the end followed by the statement:
          Follow your “truth seeker” name and don’t just believe what you are told, including what I have said. 
           
          The credentials are real.  Comments are always based on a person’s understanding!

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @DEfromDC Are you trying to say that the Nazi party was right wing because they allowed capitalists to still produce?
           
          Right wing simply means freedom from control through limited government and negative rights.  Nazi propaganda and controls opposed freedom of choice as much as Stalin and Mao’s Communism through regulations and positive rights.
           
          The further right you go, the less government manages to the point of anarchy (which happened with the lynch mobs and city looting).  The further left you go, the more government to the point of gulag or slave labor camps (which the Communists, Socialists and Nazis actually employed).
           
          Fascist are as left as Communists and Socialists because they control the means of production only allowing the business leaders to garner their pay from profits instead of the government payroll, but the Fascist still controls the what and how production.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @DEfromDC You are beating a dead horse, you are arguing like an uniformed dolt. It is settled history and you can rave on and on and speak to all the rest here who want to buy into your claptrap. If you wished to be listened to, get off your rotten soap box. Nobody with half a wit buys into your comparisons and definitions. Look up Einstein’s definition of being insane.
           
          I have written my answer and I am satisfied with it. I am not going to engage in an ongoing dialogue with you over your specious claims. So be it.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @n2woods  @DEfromDC Look – keep on debating this crap, yes you clowns are right, the Nazis are commies and they are both the same, and the Euro-Socialists in the Benelux countries are fascists and the Democrats here are members of the Bund and also members of the Comintern – Go to it! If you want it that way, talk to your own buddies, they’ll buy into your meaningless tripe.

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker  @n2woods The similarities between Germany as Hitler gained power and the US today are amazing.  The blind following as laws were changed and power/control taken appears to be happening.  I never finished reading Mein Kampf because it seemed unreal but it seems real now as I see the things I remember being used here.  Many of them were part of Rules for Radicals so that could be the guiding document.  Either way I don’t think it is in the best interest of the country.
           
          Right and left seem to mean different things to different people.  We need to talk big government vs limited government (Constitutional government).  The founding fathers had the insight to establish the latter making this country the greatest the world has known.  We need to keep it that way.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @DEfromDC  @n2woods Thanks for your insights. We disagree on almost everything, and so be it. As the Founding Fathers and Framers, you have a selective memory and their perspective was quite limited to the 18th Century. The Father of our Country, died by blood-letting at the hands of the best doctors of the era. We had slavery, the Salem Witch Trials were only 100 years back and many people, like the folks here, believed in myth and conspiracy. Times have changed, get with the program and if you want to hector on this asinine subject, which you have made your current life’s work, so be it. I have a family, responsibilities and your claptrap is the least of my concerns.

        • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

          @n2woods  @the Truth Seeker  @DEfromDC
           Bless you, n2woods.  You are spot on with your descriptions.
           
          Yes, the National Socialist Worker’s Party (Socialist Union Thugs) allowed a thin verneer of Capitalism in that they told people they still owned their belongings.  However, they clearly said that the people are owned by the State, so it was really an exercise in intellectual dishonesty, much like what comes from “the Truth Seeker”.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @DEfromDC Spoken like a true closed minded person.

        • n2woods

          @DEfromDC  @the Truth Seeker Right wing is smaller government or limited government.  The left likes to paint fascists as bad because civilized people hate the 2 famous fascists, Hitler and Mussolini.  The left, through media and education, change the meaning of words to steer people into believing the propaganda.   Yes, this debate about wording is very important.  The only time they say it isn’t important is when, like Truthseeker did here, their tactics fail.  They full heartily attempt to control the meaning of words because it is a very useful tool for them.  Read Adam Smith, John Locke and other Enlightenment writers and you will find the reading slow going because they take so much time concretely establishing the meaning of words.
           
          If you look at Truthseeker’s definitions of left and right, then there is no libertarian on the scale at all.  Lefties version of left and right very only along how big government controls the populous and the means of production (Communist term).  There is no possible scenario where Adam Smith and the many conservative freedom loving people can exist in current intelligentsia theories.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @DEfromDC Compared to the millions purposely slaughter by Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Moa, I’ll accept some folly from those you mentioned.  No one gets it correct all the time, however, the left actually see executions and death as a natural consequence of getting to their utopia.  The “ends justify the means” is still the mantra from Truthseeker’s circles, so yes he can lie and cheat to get to the end goal.  I always like how professors preach that the ends justify the means until a student cheats on their test to get an A.  If the goal is an A, then how can a professor deny a proficient cheater the grade.  They only followed the propaganda where it led.

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker  From your comment I would assume you believe the bible is not valid either, because times have changed.  Somehow the framers talked about the kind of power grab happening now and structured a government, like no other, trying to safeguard the people hoping to prevent what is happening.   Freedom needed to be established in this world so we could progress.  Their insight into mankind appears to be beyond your closed mind.

    • Don39

      @the Truth Seeker No facts there, just another leftist balm to salve  the opinions already existing of the leftist corpse!

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Don39 To Dandy Don, no one who disagrees with your narrow, vapid and jaundiced view ever has a fact. He knows, He’s the Procurator of Judea. Everything is always invented by the clever left. But clod, you have to argue with Hedrick Smith and scores of others. Even Rove has wised up to the 8%ers. That’s the number who are left in the Tea Party.

        • Don39

          @the Truth Seeker You are as dillusional about that as everything else.

        • DEfromDC

          @the Truth Seeker  You are talking about yourself and what you have been told again without any truth seeking.

    • n2woods

      @the Truth Seeker You do know that Democrats are not managed by the poor.
       
      Your bottom line is way to simplistic.  Your accounting fails to acknowledge that Wall Street, capitalists and power brokers living in New York City are almost all Democrats and almost no conservatives.  GE we back Barak Obama to the White House sure is another example of a mom and pop store that only supports Republicans while paying their fair share of taxes.  Who’s that guy from Berkshire Hathaway that backs Obama, you know that poor capitalist from the heartland. Oh yeah, Timothy, pay your taxes before taking office Treasury Secretary really makes for a great conservative Republican.   Goldman Sachs, the bastion of Republican donors, had nothing to do with the crisis.  Or that guy, you know the one who became president, who took CitiMorgage to court on behalf of Acorn to get loans for minorities who couldn’t afford them.  That guy.  I really like how government’s role is taken out of your hit piece here.  How the banks were forced to write loans because judges made them after lawyers brought suit.  Yeah the banks made the loans because they had to, so yeah, they found a way to make a buck doing it and Uncle Fred and Aunt Fannie ensured the banks would get theirs too. 
       
      Don’t you dare lay this at the feet of the Republican Party only.
       
      President Obama didn’t put anyone in jail because they are his supporters who took part in the debauchery.  The aforementioned Citibank put a lot of cash in Democratic coffers.  Truth Seeking is not being done in your hit piece.  The Republican Party sure does like the scraps from the table, I’ll give you that.  In fact, the pox on both your houses is what made the Tea Party.  The Tea Party holds Democrat loving Republicans accountable.
       
      Are you a member of the Tea Party?  It is the only entity to be fully attacked by Republican and Democratic power brokers and financiers.  To date, the Tea Party is the only entity that actually threatened the establishment that your lopsided hit piece partially pointed to.

    • Don39

      @ readers of @the Truth Seeker That last short paragraph says all anyone needs to know about him. Leftist never take responsibility for their actions and words, they have no original thoughts of their own.

  • jalinatx

    Karl Rove is a Rino and wants more of the same ass Communist Republicans like McCain, Boehner and the rest of thier cronies! He will not destroy the Tea Party because we are the People, True God Loving Americans! Rove needs to take his butt out of Texas and move to Calif., New York, or Chicago!

  • tomno

    the truth seeker, you want a solution? here’s 4: rand paul/ jim de mint 2016. sarah palin replaces johnny the boneless now. karl rove retires yesterday. jebby bush, take mama’s advice (“get over it”). how’s that for starters?

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @tomno I like it.  Unrealistic but I still like it.

    • Don39

      @tomno NO, no, no. Jim DeMint and Rand Paul!

      • tomno

        @Don39 don, i’ll take that too.

  • DavidStroud

    @The Truth Seeker: You’re anything but a truth seeker. You haven’t a clue to anything you say! A terminal idiot would be a better word to describe you because you couldn’t understand that 2+2=4 if someone sat down to explain it to you. And whoever this Tom Kelly is must be the one who helped to indoctrinate you instead of teach you anything. It is because of people like you that everyone’s life is to some degree, at least to anyone taking you seriously, miserable!!!

    • the Truth Seeker

      @DavidStroud  @The By the way, I haven’t had a chance to read all of your remarks and aside from the others here that think you are an idiot and a clown, I believe in free speech. Even though I hate to say that I would agree with anyone on these sites. I agree that you are an idiot. You, like many others here, have proven what I have always known, that there are many unhappy, disgruntled and pathetic souls in our country. 
       
      Often these people are the disgruntled, who innately are haters and since they cannot achieve, they revel in the perceived failure of others. By the way 2 and 2 is 4. Tom Kelly directs the Sienna Poll of presidential historians. I don’t know him, but I respect his work. On the other hand, I don’t know you, and for sure I do not respect YOUR work,  Take up a hobby, learn to ride a pony, pay for the Playboy Channel, if you can afford it, and find a video friend, even though that person will just be a series of pixels. It will do you and your suppressed libido well.

  • DavidStroud

    @Truth Seeker: You really should change your tag to something beside “truth seeker”. Everything you say reveals how terminally brainwashed you are!!!

  • DavidStroud

    @KennDillon: I was only pointing out a fact not that Perry would have made a bad president. Re-read what I said. He defeated himself by the way he began his campaign. He showed no fire in his gut which is required if you get votes from those who have to see that to become invigorated. I go by facts others need drama. Sad!

  • DavidStroud

    @GrumpyOldMan: Did you just ‘get off the bus”? That’s the way it has always been. Noone ever gets everything they want in a candidate’s philosophy! Getting rid of Obama was the first step. Whatever we disagree with in an elected candidate can be dealt with after he is elected!!!!!!!!!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud What part of labeling do you not get?  If you have OBozo1 (D) and you have OBozo2 (R), do you really think that because one labels himself a Republican that makes him any better for the multitudes than the one that more honestly calls himself a Democrat?????  What do you think a RINO (Republican In Name Only) is?  It’s someone who runs under the Republican banner, then votes with the Democrats and passes THEIR legislation.  Like Speaker Bonehead.  And you think because the CALL themselves Republican somehow that makes them more worthy of your vote??  I’d rather vote for a DINO who’s a conservative.  Did you like Arlen Specter better when he was a Republican or a Democrat?  He is the perfect example of my point.

  • tomno

    to me, fascism is government  partnership with select cronies, privately (corporations) or publicly (unions) organized. it is a corrupt preferences program, not mattering if the government is left or right. free market capitalism is a program of totally immune private ownership, with zero government involvement. communism is a program of government full ownership and control of all means of production in the economy. socialism is communism lite, a politically correct palatable translation slide-step between free market capitalism and communism.
     
    how is this amateur economist doing? lol.

  • DavidStroud

    @DEfromDC I would have to agree, however, there are such people who use terms that I would not have preferred to deal with but when that’s obviously all they understand they must be put in their place since it has been long overdue!!

    • Don39

      @DavidStroud  @DEfromDC So we have to use terms you like or we are ignorant huh? Yeah, sure. If we never read your terms, not that you have offered any but belittling and name calling, we will not miss them, so just bug off! Believe it or not you are just as stupid as others you have so labeled here with the exception of the phony so-called truth seeker!

      • DEfromDC

        @Don39 I don’t think I implied anywhere that you are ignorant, in fact I marked like on many of your comments.  My response was in kind to the one labeling everyone.

  • DavidStroud

    @GrumpyOldMan I agree entirely but we have a crop of citizens much different than those who existed in my growing up days as well as adult years, even back to Jimmy Carter day. I think this is why many analysts thought Obama would use. However, the main stream media, while always liberal, has gone rabidly liberal. People aren’t informed & we have a society almost totally in the dark as well as too many who want to believe that there is ‘free stuff’ if we just elect the one promising it. It will take a lot of time & some bad experiences for the society we have today to come to their senses if they ever do. Also the state of our educational situation where students are not taught how to think but what to think & it is largely liberal! We might just end up going through what Greece is going through. When people have been getting so much for so long they think there is no end to what they are entitled to just because they, in their minds, deserve it. The wok ethic is a joke to them. Pride of accomplishment is boring in their minds. It’s a sad time & I really don’t know if we’ll ever come  out of it. I’m not by nature a pessimist but I must be a realist when I see what is happening!

    • ChiefGator

      @DavidStroud  @GrumpyOldMan And the idiots in the rabid liberal media are too ignorant to realize that once they help Obummer push his gun control measures with any success, his next target will be free speech.  And the liberal media would be the first to cry foul when Obummer told them what to print or say.

      • Bull57

        @ChiefGator @DavidStroud @GrumpyOldMan Obama already does tell the media what to say or at least gives them their talking points!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud  I can’t really disagree this time.  Part of the problem is the people who believe in Keynesian economics which are a disaster when practiced. That allows the idea that government can spend and/or tax it’s way into prosperity.  Neither of which is possible.
       
      Then you have what the government can give you for “free”.  It very well may be that there is no such thing as a free lunch, but ignorance is truly something the government provides for free.
       
      Our tax dollars pay for government schools of K-12 and we give universities tax subsidies to indoctrinate instead of teach.  And that means so called journalists, politicians, and future “educators” are all cut from the same cloth.  That of socialism and communism.  So, I don’t think you and I will ever see America “come out of it.”  It’s my children, grandchildren and great children I worry about and feel sorry for.  They are the ones that have to figure out how to survive in this mess.

  • DavidStroud

    @DEfromDC I know about everything you say & have far more experience, knowledge & probably years but it takes an open mind which I try to maintain to put up with the crap i’ve heard the last couple of days & makes me more of a pessimist about our country.

  • DavidStroud

    @Don39 You’re so full of venom & ignorance you couldn’t think if you tried to!! You wouldn’t know knowledge from ignorance when exposed to either!

    • Don39

      @DavidStroud   Yeah, yeah!  After three days of wasting your breath you finally figured out how to use the reply button and re-spew your venom. At least you seem to be an equal opportunity ignorant name caller. I am sure everyone but you is an idiot! NOT. And i do know that I have just been exposed to colossal ignorance! I have been exposed to enough knowledge for over seventy years to know an idiot when exposed to one as I have just been.

  • DavidStroud

    @GrumpyOldMan You’re so addled that you didn’t even read what I wrote much less have understood it if you had read it. I know more than you, which isn’t saying a lot, (considering) that you wouldn’t recognize truth if you ran into it head-on!

    • GrumpyOldMan

      @DavidStroud  @GrumpyOldMan Not correct. I did struggle through your tripe and you are not any smarter than the “Fantasy Seeker”.  To attempt to give yourself credit for intelligence you’ve never possessed, really requires looking at yourself in a cracked mirror.

  • DavidStroud

    @the Truch Seeker: I did not blame eveything on Republicans & you can’t get that out of anything I have said! I just do know that if we dont’ take a hard look at our strengths & weaknesses we will continue to lose. Where is your head anyway?

  • the Truth Seeker

    I have been reading blog and sites like this for a number of years. They have sprung up like Topsy or dandelions. I always look for something intelligent to consider. Aside from the ugly and unjustified names used here and other places to describe the president, I find these sites repetitive, predictable, and boring.
     
    Its the same old message: abortion is baby killing, small government is better, debt is going to drown us, we lack values, unions are terrible, Democrats are commies, Nazis were and are socialists, the president is not a valid American, no one saw him in college, he’s a Muslim, the country was founded by Christians and for Christians, and the country will be destroyed under his leadership. There are other pet issues discussed here, but they are too moronic to repeat. They fall into the category of myth, rumor mongering and conspiracy theory. But so what? Birds of a feather flock together. I stumbled on to these sites by accident and have been fascinated by the anger, hatred, intolerance, racism, bigotry and small-minded flat-earth thinking.  I could only categorize the contributors here as anti-American. Of course, every one here is a patriot, God-fearing, a worshiper of the 2nd Amendment and an economic and constitutional genius. I would be curious if any of the strict constructionists and absolutists ever read any of the remarks by Chief Justices Burger and Rehnquist when it came to the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments. Basically they wished to eliminate them and were vehemently opposed to the Miranda Decision. By the way, I am sure you folks would not like your 4th Amendment rights to be violated when you are stopped by a patrol car.
     
    But, all in all, I have been always amazed why people vote Republican. Could it be that they create more jobs. Well there is no evidence of that, Since Truman, Democrats have created twice as many jobs per year when they have controlled the White House. On a year by year basis- Clinton, Carter, Reagan, LBJ, Truman, Nixon and JFK lead Ford, Bush I and II and Eisenhower by a wide margin. In 28 years the Democrats created 57 million jobs to the GOP’s 36 million in 36 years. Those are the facts. Look it up from the WSJ. But maybe it is the stock market that has done better under Republicans. While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House. From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close.
     
    The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday. That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office. “The market does tend to do better under Democrats than under Republicans,” Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S&P Equity Research in New York, said in a telephone interview. “Is it because Republicans mishandled the economy, or inherited a weak economy? I’ll leave that to others.” But what about Bain Capital and Wall Street’s proclivity to export jobs?
     
    Is it family values? Since when does Donald Trump, David Vitter, John Ensign, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr and scores of other Republicans, over the years, have a monopoly on virtue, family values and decency. When did Romney stand up to the “birthers?” When did he reject the racism and the innuendos voice constantly by his top surrogates? But maybe he and the rest of the other Republicans believe that abortion is not justified in any case. But how about the continued support by the Tea Party acolytes for Senate candidates like Mourdock of Indiana and Todd Akin of Missouri? Is anybody seriously a believer that rape is God’s will or one cannot get pregnant from rape? Why choose troglodytes like these folks and unqualified morons like Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell. In fact, any list of Democratic and Republican office holders with regards to scandals and military service, will favor the Democrats dramatically. There is no qualitative or quantitative evidence that favors Republicans over democrats when it comes to morals or patriotism. The real truth is that Democrats are more tolerant of the human condition and the Republicans are bigger hypocrites.
     
    How about women’s issues? In reality, Republicans rarely support the right of woman to receive equal pay for equal work? They have opposed Title 9, or anti-harassment laws, or even the right to an abortion, if their health and life is threatened. So why would a modern young, educated woman ever vote Republican unless it was strictly an economic imperative. 
     
    So does it come down to the fact Republicans do not like government! Maybe they don’t like women and minorities elbowing in on their rights and the Eurocentric- white male hegemony? In other words what is that makes you a conservative? Do they eat less? There is no evidence of that! In fact, the obesity rate in the “Red” states is over 30% and much, much higher than the so-called “Blue” states.
    Speaking of the Tea Bag Brigade and their Right-Wing Conservative Base:

    • the Truth Seeker

      Part II-
      If you want to buy into the idea that both parties are equally to blame, and that the answer is conservative, anti-government libertarianism, go to it. The GOP Conservatives and their Dixiecrat allies have been opposed to every advance in our long history. Many called it the progressive evolution of our society, but the small government acolytes seem to think that word progressive is a euphemism for left-wing socialism. As a long-time student of history, political person, and writer and lecturer on mid 20th Century history, it is not a stretch to see what side both parties fall. The right-wing has opposed: the following
       
      The Bill of Rights
      Anti-trust laws- Sherman and Clayton Acts
      Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
      Labor unions and their right to collectively bargain- the Wagner Act
      Wages and Hours Law
      Child Labor laws and regulation- Triangle Shirtwaist and other disasters
      The Minimum wage
      Civil Rights- Integration- anti-lynching laws
      The Security Laws of 1933, 4, and 1940, affirmative action
      Pure Food and Drug laws
      Almost all environmental regulation on clear water and air
      Women’s Rights, sexual choice
      The right of choice
      Birth control access and information
      Equal pay for equal rights
      The Establishment Clause- separation of church and state
      Gun control
      Graduated Income Tax- taxes in general
      Inheritance Taxes
      Federal housing- urban renewal
      Public education
      Aid to Great Britain before WWII
       
      What have they supported?
       
      Restrictive Immigration: Chinese Exclusion Act 1882, National Origins Immigration Act of 1924
      Property rights over individual rights
      Censorship
      Monopoly, trusts, Inter-locking directorships
      Unrestricted gun ownership
      Flat-taxes, sale’s taxes,
      State’s Rights
      Public funding for private schools
      Red-lining
      Segregation, White Citizen’s Councils, the KKK
      Privatization of services
      Union-busting
      Off shore banking shelters
      The market place cures all ills
      The Oil Depletion allowance
      Private schools
       
      In other words, what in hell have the right-wing ever supported that was in the public’s interest?

      • n2woods

        @the Truth Seeker Truth Seeker manipulates history to suit his own beliefs.  Starting with the most obvious, Republicans are the only ones who stood for the rights of slaves to be free, that was the birth of the first Republican to be elected President.  Who signed the Emancipation Proclamation? The KKK started in the south to counter the properly elected black legislators after their attempt to break apart the Union failed.  Democrats took back the south through voter intimidation and other nefarious means. The KKK owned the south through Democrat executives and legislators well into the 20th century.  The Democrats split because of civil rights.  LBJ begrudgingly signed the Civil Rights act that Republicans had been proposing in Congress for years.  The KKK lost validity and dispersed after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. and the stranglehold Democrats forced upon the South began to loosen.  Segregation is all Democrats, 100%.  To deny this basic timeline is to deny how the Republican Party became a political party. 
         
        Today, segregation remains a strong Democratic mindset.  Think of how they are always dividing the country into segments, women, blacks, Hispanics, educated, poor vs. rich, young vs. old.etc.  The Democrats own segregation, red-lining, gerrymandering, race-baiting and quotas.  The worst you can say about Republicans is for the first time since gerrymandering began, Republicans are in a position to actually drawn the districts themselves.  Up until recently, only Democrats created and controlled redistricting.
         
        Truth Seeker can’t even agree to the basics, there is no possible way to have an honest discussion with him/her.  He can’t even follow his own quote, you’re not entitled to your own facts.  It is sad, but unfortunately he can get away with it because so many of us do not stand up to his lies.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @n2woods What a hilarious piece. Do you really understand what you have written. The early Republicans weren’t the drivers regarding the anti-slavery movement, it was the Abolitionists. As to Lincoln, who was a great man and a great president. he never campaigned to end slavery and never really addressed it until the middle of the Civil War, when he needed Black troops. As to the Dixiecrats of the South they had as much to do with the modern Democratic Party as Lincoln does with today’s crop of know-nothings.
           
          LBJ didn’t grudgingly sign the Civil Rights Act, he made speeches to Congress and pushed the legislation. Just read Robert Caro;’ bio of LBJ. You are wrong once again!! The Old Democratic South easily became the South of Strom Thurmond, who was rebuffed at the 1948 DNC Convention and eventually changed party. The Dixiecrats are now the Teapublicans.
           
          As to divide and conquer, that’s a joke in itself. Nothing I stated is a lie, and every truth was directed at conservatives, whether they be Republicans, Dixiecrats Democrats of clowns like you.

        • Don39

          @the Truth Seeker  @n2woods Again you are a leftist lying SOB! The civil rights legislation was the son of Dwight David Eisenhower as president and was deliberately and systematically blocked by LBJ until President Eisenhower was out of office and then passed so the corrupt damnocrats could take credit for it. It was unanimously supported by the majority of Republicans and opposed by a significant number of damnocrats, and could not have passed had  the likes of Grand Klugal Byrd (D WV) had their way. That is the truth and the truth does not need ten page of lies to cover it! The fact that you spend so much time trying to take credit for social successes of Republicans and blame leftist failures on the Republicans is all the proof people need of your insanity and evil. This in particular applies to your “Part Two ‘ of distorted lies and distortions above. If not for claiming credit for the accomplishments of others you leftist would have NOTHING! I say again you are scum and everyone here knows it. You can not even get backing from the other known leftist here because they will not read your garbage.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39  @n2woods  You must get your specious tripe right from the Grand Klugal! What in hell is a Klugal. It is tough for you to deal with the truth, but it will set you free. What a pathetic person you are. What angst you are harboring in your cold, black heart. You flail out, mindlessly at anyone who disagrees with your perverted view of America and mankind in general. I harbor no hate, I can listen to your wet dream fantasies, but all I harbor is pathos for people like yourself, ill, alone, and misunderstood by all who listen.
          What can anyone to do about Not Dandy Don?
           
          There is no doubt that many southern Democrats were racists, haters and Dixiecrats, but they were far from liberal and the Democratic party grew up, matured, changed and modernized. What’s your excuse?
           
          What can be said of the conservatives in our society? We can say they are consistent. They were once Dixiecrats and now they are Teapublicans. FDR put a great coalition together to fight the depression and win WWII, but after his death the old hatreds, fears and prejudices escaped once again. We are still dealing with it.

        • Middle Class

          @the Truth Seeker  @Don39  @n2woods … That is one thing about liberals… They love to listen to themselves rant….. Kind of like an obnoxious 6 year old….

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker Truth Seeker, I guess you believe pro-life legislation is due to the actions outside the Republican Party regardless of the pro-life plank in the party platform.  Who is the real joker here?
           
          I didn’t say that Republicans were perfect, yet simply corrected your massive errors and total obfuscation of the truth of which party supports equal rights for all regardless of race, color, creed or religion.  As mentioned, General Eisenhower incorporated blacks into the military, Tuskegee Airmen proved their worth in battle thanks to him.  You do know that Eisenhower became President as a Republican?  If I recall, that was in the middle of the 20th century.  And that also brings up an interesting point, your Democrat President FDR failed to incorporate blacks into the military.  Of all the sweeping legislation and progressive/socialist legislation, there’s not one Civil Rights bill among them.  How did the Americans of Japanese decent enjoy their living quarters provided by FDR?  Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, set to eliminate blacks and other undesirables as one of her major goals for her abortion clinic.  Ah, I love history and hindsight.  Planned Parenthood is clearly Republican, right?
           
          Political will weaves a strange and diverse pathway through history.  Maybe reality is too complicated for you to understand so you stick with the simplistic propaganda of the left.  The Democrat Party remains the party of division.  Your hit pieces are made to divide the country just like a good Communist and Fascist would do.  You want to say one side does all the evil in the world for purposes of dividing and conquering, not unifying and growing.  Your opinions are simply opinions and they stink of propaganda and obfuscation.  Media and elites of the left always divide the country into segments.  That alone tells the story of who is and who is not an American, the greatest melting pot the world has ever known.  In fact, no communist or fascist has ever produced the freedom and liberty for all people of all colors creeds and religions like America. The Founding Fathers did a great job setting up such a great constitution and government for which these great ideals could thrive and eventually produce results.  These negative rights proved themselves year after year. 
           
          Diversity thrives in America.  Atheists have no moral ground to glean diversity from or grow life into.  Atheists destroy through ideas like the ends justify the means, divide and conquer, let no tragedy go to waste and survival of the fittest.  It takes a nation who looks to a higher calling outside themselves to learn and grow.  I never said American history was perfect, yet it is something to be proud of.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker How do you settle the fact that the president who started the Vietnam War opposed Civil Rights legislation while a member of Congress?

        • the Truth Seeker

          @n2woods How  wonderful to hear concerns over civil rights and civil liberty from one of The Last Resistance’s, bastions of patriotism. Here is where, on this special site, the remnants of American sanctity, gather to commiserate with each other. Here is where the last defenders of the rights of America talk about absolutism of the the 2nd Amendment , which will allow this hoary group of freedom fighters to man the barriers against the totalitarian forces of the left.
           
          Of course, in dealing with the premise at hand, the Vietnam War, a misguided effort against the world-threatening ambitions of the Communists, was actually initiated by a Democratic President. In fact,  the freedom loving rights of Quemoy and Matzu, two disputed islands in the Straits of Formosa, were supported by another  democratic American president, as was NATO, SEATO, the Marshall Plan, the Truman Doctrine, and etc.
           
          Of course, the right-wing cry of “Who Lost China, ” was actually heard by the Democrats, and the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was passed by both Houses of Congress with the total vote 512-2. In fact every Republican in both Houses, who voted, supported that Resolution. In fact, it was conservative Republicans and Democrats who sustained that futile war.
           
          As to Civil Rights, President Johnson, in his first State of the Union Address, in 1964, stated: “Let this session of Congress be known as the session which did more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined.”
           
          As to conservative Democrats, bottling up civil rights legislation, 
          in early 1964 supporters overcame the Rules Committee obstacle by threatening to send the bill to the floor without committee approval. The Senate filibuster was overcome through the floor leadership of Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the support of President Lyndon Johnson, and the efforts of Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, in convincing Republicans to support the bill.
           
          The House of Representatives passed an amended version of HR 7152 by a bipartisan majority of 290-130. Republicans favored it 138-34; Democrats favored it 152-96. Of the 122 amendments offered (excluding amendments to amendments), only 28 were written into the bill. Most were technical revisions. Not a single amendment opposed by the bill’s managers was adopted.
           
          The Senate passed the bill by a 73-27 roll-call vote. Six Republicans joined 21 Democrats in opposition. The passage vote came exactly one year after the bill was submitted to Congress by President Kennedy. The era of the Democratic solid South was now over. But did that legislation change the hearts of the conservative South, whether they be nominal Democrats of  the Republican heirs? Not in the least!
           
          So you are wrong on both counts. The GOP was into Vietnam, head over heals, and as to Civil Rights it was JFK and and a southerner like LBJ, who pressured the Congress to break the strangle hold the Southern Democrats had on Civil Rights. Were all the Republicans on board? No, not all, and in fact, by 1968 the Southern Democrats and their voters easily morphed into the new Republicans, who embraced Jim Crow as if they owned it.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker Dixiecrats are not the only racist.  Labor Unions and progressive hated blacks and opposed integration of norther production lines and shipyards.  How many national labor unions have black leadership?  Planned Parenthood places abortion clinics near or in poor black neighborhoods regardless of the fact that upper class white women used the clinics in accordance with Margret Sanger’s original design to reduce or eliminate the black population.
           
          Baltimore enacted the first legislation to segregate neighborhoods in 1910.  Bloodiest race riots took place in Illinois.  How many blacks served as Senators or Representatives for northern states? MLK Jr felt the wrath of Chicago when he demonstrated against the segregated neighbors.  Ghetto is the term used for black communities in segregated northern cities because they were so poorly treated by the norther white communities.  Blacks got a better education in the south due to places like Tuskegee University.  KKK made it tough, but they managed to educate many.
           
          As far as your Tea Party comment, not one act of racism found.  There is a nice video of black Tea Party members defending against false allegations like the one you just made.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker You lie again, I never said anything about Republicans and Vietnam, only that LBJ started the Vietnam War.  You can’t argue with me without obfuscation.  Come on, muddy the waters on how LBJ was forced to start the Vietnam war.
           
          Come on, Democrats were the party of Dixiecrats.  There is no denying that fact.  Democrats own the KKK, not Republicans.  Your generalizations are erroneous because you focus on a couple of trees while ignoring the forest.
           
          Sure you can point to some facts that Republicans failed to fully embrace their ideology and party planks.  I guess you’d like to believe that Bill Clinton balanced the budget and reformed welfare without Republicans political insistence.  It’s not like when President Obama passed government healthcare over the opposition of Republicans.  Who was it that passed the first Civil Rights act?  The one in 1957?  Why is it so easy to ignore some of the facts when trying to demonize, divide and destroy others instead of build and heal?  You’re a lot like President Obama is this instance.  Instead of taking in the whole of history, you take the easy path to separate, divide and destroy others.  Look at your language and arrogant statements.  You sound a lot like Obama’s autobiography when he says he learned nothing from his constituents after going around listening and building support for his run for office.
           
          The modern Republican establishment must be held accountable to hold to their platform, and the Tea Party does that.  Are they perfect, no.  You’re pollyanna belief in progressives, unions and Democrats is just that, fantasy.  I do not have an overly simplistic view of Republicans.  I can agree that they make and made mistakes, however their history is filled with more good considering how the country as a whole hasn’t always embraced freedom for all as it should.

        • Don39

          @n2woods  These leftist con artist propagandist think they are so smart twisting the truth to support  their leftist distortions and right out lies! Notice he did not respond directly. The leftist view and rewrite of history is in the same direction as their twisted mind, of course the younger indoctrinated only know the twisted leftist version and if we do not get it corrected before we are gone that is all they will know!. He avoids the issue of that great longest serving Dem. Senatator Robert Byrd, described and most noted in the print media as an Exalted Cyclops, Grand Kleagle, and Grand Wizard of the KKK, and yes when he won election as a Democrat to the US Senate! He did not deny my assertion that Eisenhower was the father of the Civil Rights legislation, and that the democrats resisted it passage to a far greater degree than those who championed it and were the originators of it. He tries to foster the lie that it is the product and idea of the rascist Lyndon Johnston and the racist damnocrat party! He also fails to note that there has not been another democrat like Kennedy since, though they like to claim him when convenient. I have no doubt that Kennedy, though an opportunist and manipulator, would be thoroughly disgusted with what the democrat party has become. Kennedy by no stretch of the imagination was a socialist big spend and big tax progressive liberal. Nothing like the sad scum Teddy. Any honest person who lived the time would agree. And by the way even the vaulted JFK had his many weaknesses and self doubts. His least recognized failure being bailing out on the Bay of Pigs invasion at the cost of many Cuban lives, a slaughter really! He was such a threat to the leftist establishment that it was they that had him assassinated!

        • GrumpyOldMan

          The problem with “Truth” Seeker, besides the obvious incorrect moniker, is that this person is the perfect example of what happens when dysentery strikes the mind.  And then there is the normal problem of liberals/progressives have absolutely no concept of facts.  Unfortunately they are now writing school books for elementary schools. The chief cause of the downfall of America.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39@n2woods
          From Dandy Don- “These leftist con artist propagandist think they are so smart twisting the truth to support  their leftist distortions and right out lies! Notice he did not respond directly. The leftist view and rewrite of history is in the same direction as their twisted mind, of course the younger indoctrinated only know the twisted leftist version and if we do not get it corrected before we are gone that is all they will know!”
           
          More from DD-“He avoids the issue of that great longest serving Dem. Senatator Robert Byrd, described and most noted in the print media as an Exalted Cyclops, Grand Kleagle, and Grand Wizard of the KKK, and yes when he won election as a Democrat to the US Senate!”  No one is defending Robert Byrd., no one is defending his actions, I have seen no proof that he was ever in any leadership position, he was a Southern democrat and by 1952, when he ran for the House, he rejected his past. Too bad you folks have gotten worse.
           
          “He did not deny my assertion that Eisenhower was the father of the Civil Rights legislation, and that the democrats resisted it passage to a far greater degree than those who championed it and were the originators of it. He tries to foster the lie that it is the product and idea of the rascist Lyndon Johnston and the racist damnocrat party!”
           
          Again, your claims about Eisenhower, are bordering on ridiculous. He had virtually no record on Civil Rights, in the service or out of it. He reluctantly put troops into Little Rock and his was quite unhappy with his choice of Earl Warren as Chief Justice and his backing of the Brown v Topeka Board of Education. He certainly didn’t push needed integration of the schools and his lack of concern on that front, brought on the civil rights tensions and violence in the 60s.
           
          He never integrated Black troops in Europe, though they were in integrated unites on both Okinawa and Iwo Jima. The armed forces were integrated by Truman and Hubert Humphrey was the lead Democratic office holder with regards to the critical problem of segregated housing in the North.” He authored the Civil Rights Plank in the Democratic National Convention of 1948, which precipitated the walk out  of Strom Thurmond. Thurmond was a racist hypocritical conservative, who started as a Dixiecrat and was welcomed with open arms into the Republican Party. Aside from his noxious racist rhetoric he later admitted to fathering an illegitimate child with a Black woman, Essie Mae Washington-Williams. She was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the archetypal Dixiecrat whose passionate defense of segregation as a state’s rights issue and a way of life led him to split from the Democratic Party and challenge Harry S. Truman for the presidency in 1948.
           
          But while Ol’ Strom was singing from the segregationist/traditionalist hymnal—always carefully framed as a defense of “individual liberty and freedom and … the right of the people to govern themselves”—there was a secret neither his admirers nor his detractors had imagined: Thurmond had an illegitimate black child.
           
          Essie Mae’s mother had been a 15-year old maid named Carrie Butler working in the Thurmond household when she was impregnated by a 23-year-old Strom—making statutory rape among the many legal and moral boundaries that were transgressed. The event was hushed up, complete with stipend—a decades-long hush-money pay-off merged with child support for a daughter shipped up north to live in Pennsylvania. Strom went from serving as a county education superintendent to a county attorney to a state legislator to an elected judgeship, which he resigned to fight in World War II, storming the beaches at Normandy.
           
          As governor of South Carolina in the post-war years, Thurmond was the preeminent defender of Jim Crow. In the run up to the 1948 campaign, as Harry Truman announced the desegregation of the armed forces, Southern conservative Democrats, who were the last legacy of the Confederacy, decried the move toward liberalization. Mississippi Senator James Eastland called the Truman administration’s civil rights proposal an attempt to “secure favor from Red mongrels in the slums of the East and Middle West.”  In a fit of states’ rights pride, Strom led the charge off the Democratic convention floor to form the States Rights Party, known as the Dixiecrats.  He ended up winning a million votes and four states—making it, depressingly, one of the most electorally successful third-party candidacies in American history.
           
          From Dandy Don- “He also fails to note that there has not been another democrat like Kennedy since, though they like to claim him when convenient. I have no doubt that Kennedy, though an opportunist and manipulator, would be thoroughly disgusted with what the democrat party has become. Kennedy by no stretch of the imagination was a socialist big spend and big tax progressive liberal.”
           
          Of course, the above remarks are quite consistent with the noxious and insulting character of the author. It is interesting that he believes Kennedy was an “opportunist and a manipulator.” Well, even though he could have been physically assigned to land-based naval duty, he “manipulated” himself into difficult and dangerous PT Boat duty and was awarded the Navy Cross. He was no more of an “opportunist” than any other person who runs for political office, including Marco Rubio, who lied about his family history with regards to Castro and their immigration to the States. His conclusion that Kennedy would “be thoroughly disgusted with what the democrat party has become” defies logic. His brothers, Robert and Ted, picked up his “torch” and carried it quite well. I can’t defend Teddy’s social life, but on a public policy perspective, I respect all both their work and I doubt that their elder brother would have been disappointed, no matter what a clown like you says.
           
          Dandy Don-“Nothing like the sad scum Teddy. Any honest person who lived the time would agree. And by the way even the vaulted JFK had his many weaknesses and self doubts. His least recognized failure being bailing out on the Bay of Pigs invasion at the cost of many Cuban lives, a slaughter really! He was such a threat to the leftist establishment that it was they that had him assassinated!”
           
          Again, your above crapola may reflect the base interests of your perverted and deviated personality, and satiate your rightists fellow travelers, but few else.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @Don39 Truthseeker is a liar.  This is from the left leaning Wikipedia:
           
          While President Truman had begun the process of desegregating the Armed Forces in 1948, actual implementation had been slow. Eisenhower made clear his stance in his first State of the Union message in February 1953, saying “I propose to use whatever authority exists in the office of the President to end segregation in the District of Columbia, including the Federal Government, and any segregation in the Armed Forces”.[161] When he encountered opposition from the services, he used government control of military spending to force the change through, stating “Wherever Federal Funds are expended[...], I do not see how any American can justify [...] a discrimination in the expenditure of those funds”.[162] When Robert B. Anderson, Eisenhower’s first Secretary of the Navy argued that the Navy must recognize the “customs and usages prevailing in certain geographic areas of our country which the Navy had no part in creating”, Eisenhower overruled him: “We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country.”[163]

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @Don39 Again, this is from Wikipedia about Eisenhower after the Brown decision:
           
          The administration declared racial discrimination a national security issue, as Communists around the world used the racial discrimination and history of violence in the U.S. as a point of propaganda attack.[164] The day after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education, that segregated schools were unconstitutional, Eisenhower told District of Columbia officials to make Washington a model for the rest of the country in integrating black and white public school children.[165][166] He proposed to Congress the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and signed those acts into law. The 1957 act for the first time established a permanent civil rights office inside the Justice Department and a Civil Rights Commission to hear testimony about abuses of voting rights. Although both acts were much weaker than subsequent civil rights legislation, they constituted the first significant civil rights acts since 1875.[167]
          In 1957, the state of Arkansas refused to honor a federal court order to integrate their public school system stemming from the Brown decision. Eisenhower demanded that Arkansas governor Orval Faubus obey the court order. When Faubus balked, the president placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent in the 101st Airborne Division. They escorted and protected nine black students’ entry to Little Rock Central High School, an all-white public school, for the first time since the Reconstruction era.[168] Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote to Eisenhower to thank him for his actions, writing “The overwhelming majority of southerners, Negro and white, stand firmly behind your resolute action to restore law and order in Little Rock”.[169]

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @Don39 Truth Seeker lies.  This is from a press released by the RNC in 1952:
           
          …in the report, Mr. Washington said that President Eisenhower’s approach has been one of action instead of words.
           
          The Republican Party has fulfilled each of its specific promises on civil rights made during the “1952” campaign, said Mr. Washington.  These were published in a pamphlet entitled “The Republican Party and the Negro”…
           
          “The Republican Party has been firm in its insistence that there can only be one class of citizenship…a vigorous and productive champion of the ideals and purposes of Lincoln”…
           
          …The report stressed the ending of segregation…jim crow…appointment of negroes….prosecutes violations of civil rights laws…

      • Don39

        @the Truth Seeker You are a distortion mongering leftist lying SOB!

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Don39 From a clown like you, I wear that accolade like a badge of honor. Your remarks now, and in the past, are typical of your mindset, and I use the term “mind” gingerly and with the utmost of caution. The idea of a person like you having a “mind” is a stretch of anyone’s imagination.  Maybe someone with a better imagination, let’s say Arthur Clarke or Stephen King, could imagine that a unhappy sociopath like you really has a “mind.” One could see that you have no heart or conscience. I am reminded of the words of our greatest president,  the immortal FDR:
           
          “Governments can err, Presidents do make mistakes, but the immortal Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted in different scales. Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the constant omission of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference.”
           
          The cold-hearted referenced, described by FDR, fits losers and malcontents like you.

        • n2woods

          @the Truth Seeker  @Don39 An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows. Dwight D. Eisenhower Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dwight_d_eisenhower.html#0VObQX01AyXhcgC4.99

      • jlanghals34

        @the Truth Seeker  They passed The Civil Rights Act,not the Dumacrats,yet the blacks are still dumb enough to vote for the hand outs that don’t help them.The top ten poorest cities are run by the Dumacrats.Detroit is a disgrace.Google Hiroshima and see what that city looks like.You would think Detroit was bombed instead.Who destroyed SS,that Scum Bag Johnson ! Who sold out all Of Europe to the Russians?Who sold out the Cuban’s to Communism,Kennedy.Who had 33 unexplained deaths accredited to his Adm.and caused the housing collapse,Willy.Who got The WMD out of Iraq and sent to Pakistan,Bush.Thought,I better throw that in there.Who just helped overthrow the government of Egypt and put the Muslim Brotherhood in power and Morsi vows to destroy Israel and The US.Who bypassed congress and sent millions of dollars to them,plus F16 fighters,Ovomit.You know they are going to come after your axx as well.As far as I am concerned every one in politics should be a veteran.They are all worthless and the biggest leeches in the country.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @jlanghals34 Listen get some rest, before you have a stroke. It must be difficult having all this knowledge and no one will believe you or listen to your mumbo jumbo. Did you take creative writing in grammar school?  I must have forgotten that right after the Enola Gay bombed Hiroshima Col Tibbits headed for Detroit. Thanks for enlightening the small world here with your brilliance. We all have been waiting with baited breath for your pearls of wisdom. What took you so long?

      • autonomous 1

        @the Truth Seeker  I quote your fellow idiot Piers Morgan: ” You are an incredibly stupid man aren’t you?”  Most of the things that you ascribe as being opposed by Republicans were, in fact, Democrat policies.  For one of your many supposed  Republican negatives,  KKK was a creation of Democrats and civll rights were vehemently opposed by Democrats.  Your head is not filled with sawdust, but with a shorter word that also starts with an “s” and ends with a “t”.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @autonomous 1 Yes it was the creation of the Southern Democrats of 1865. Strom Thurmond and all the other renegade Dixecrats of the Democratic Party found a warm womb in the new GOP. It had to come about. So we’ll have to live with that sin, but what have you done for us today?

      • Middle Class

        @the Truth Seeker You must really love to hear yourself talk!

  • DavidStroud

    @Don39 You wouldn’t know a mental midget until you look in the mirror. You are so ill informed & devoid of the ability to think you are hopeless!!

  • DavidStroud

    @DEfromDC You’re not only ignorant of history but everything else. There’s nothing more to say to a person with a head full of sawdust!

    • DEfromDC

      @DavidStroud  Spoken by a person who can’t even figure out how to reply to a comment.   Since I can back up almost everything I have said based on personal experience and 1st hand knowledge, you obviously must not even qualify as ignorant.

  • DavidStroud

    @the Truth Seeker You’re anything but a ‘truth seeker’. Feel better now that the venom is laid out so that the fool you’ve made of yourself is known by all?

  • DavidStroud

    @ChiefGator: Agreed!

  • DavidStroud

    @the trutch seeker: you’re are the lunatict. And, by the way, learn to spell clown, which is what your are!

    • Seymour Kleerly

      @DavidStroud  @the Learning to spell “clown” is easy. It’s those longer  words that are tough.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @DavidStroud  @the  What is “lunatict,” is that like Deer Tic? It is tough being sane and spending time with the likes of you and yours. I question my commitment to the real world, but it’s always an education to learn that certifiable people are wandering around free without their keepers and strait jackets. C-L-O-W-N, just look in the mirror!

  • Don39

    @the Truth Seeker Leftist Parrot. No that is not fair,  I have parrots that have more original thoughts and intelligence and credibility than you do, so I should not demean the honorable parrots.This is in response to all those inane postings that I did not address directly. Really I can tolerate only so much dishonesty and lack of integrity, distortions and even bald faced lies. There are after all honest people here that express original and honest thought and do not have leftist or any other staffs to support them. If you wish to fill these pages with unread lies go right ahead.

  • Don39

    @Benevolent Thinker Livefyre will. not take me to your comment received on update, but wanted you to know I liked your comment to Kleerly. I think he had to review a chapter of the Communist Manifesto and it made him late posting. If and when he says anything , that is clearly where his thoughts derive from. Did I say thoughts, I meant repetitions and parroting. At least he is not as vociferous a leftist parrot as that other leftist seeker that does our side so much good and proves our points every time he opens his machine. Have you had the pleasure of hearing one of his radio programs? With no original though capability that must be a real hoot. Rush watch out!

    • Seymour Kleerly

      @Don39  @Benevolent Thinker After reviewing my tattered copy of the Communist Manifesto, I can answer your question with a definite affirmative. I did take my meds. today!

  • Buckeye8

    You forgit to add the rigged 2004 election.

  • The Advocates

    Pat I

    I love the new right with their libertarians, neo-cons, Teapublicans, and social conservatives. Where to they hang out, the Red States, which lead the country in every negative statistic one can imagine. What do they stand for: more states’ rights, absolutism on the 2nd Amendment, so they can protect themselves from a tyrannical government (especially led by “oh my God” Democrats, low or no taxes on the rich, a state religion, no choice for women, maybe no birth control, creationism, anti-Darwinism, Bible-thumping, anti-affirmative action, deregulation of the markets, reversing the NLRB and the Wagner Act. And strict construction in reading and interpreting the Constitution. Have I forgotten anything? I am sure I’ll find more later on.

    Now who are their heroes? Well I just heard another bright idea that Eisenhower was a hero to the Civil Rights movement. That’s news to me and the whole world. He did virtually nothing on integration, housing, equal opportunity and access to colleges, civil service and jobs. But, all of a sudden this moderate president is a hero to the right. Ironically, today his policies wouldn’t get him more than 10% of the Republican primary vote in almost every state. I read Eisenhower’s best-selling book, Crusade in Europe and still have it in my huge historical library. I was never impressed with Eisenhower as a general, and as President who could be impressed with his uninspiring speaking style. He was an ant-intellectual who basically liked golf, bridge, and reading Zane Grey westerns. His wife was no real help. She was jealous, for good reason, was a possessive military wife, who had a reputation for being an alcoholic that arose at noon from bed, and who said little and stood for less. His cabinet was undistinguished and was derogatorily referred to as ten millionaires and a plumber. The plumber was his Secretary of Labor, named Martin Durkin, and he was gone the first year. He was a vindictive man and terribly disloyal to the memory of FDR his Commander-in-Chief, Truman, who appointed him and sustained his career, and George Marshall his greatest ally and sponsor. He let Senator Joseph McCarthy insult, libel and excoriate Marshall without coming to his defense. He hated Truman, who had the courtesy and decency of inviting and ordering his active duty officer son John, to his inauguration. He felt Truman had betrayed some sort of military custom. I am sure FDR never was not unhappy when his active military sons were given time off to serve their father! Eisenhower had a vindictive streak about himself.

    Eisenhower was not prepared to be President. He was inexperienced politically and operated his administration as a “Chairman of the Board.” He allowed his cabinet to create policy. Two of his real disastrous appointments were at Commerce, Sinclair Weeks, and at Agriculture, Ezra Taft Benson, an elder in the Mormon Church. His farm policies created a political disaster for Republicans in the farm belt. In the 1958, the GOP, because of Benson’s policies, lost more Congressional seats in the Midwest than at any time since Lincoln, except during the depths of the Great depression and FDR’s landslides. Aside from our domestic problems with three severe recessions, Eisenhower’s foreign policy was not a sterling success. Not only did Eisenhower oppose the Suez Intervention by our Allies in 1956, but left the Hungarians and their revolt out on a limb. The Russians regarding the Suez bluffed him, and his intervention in Lebanon in 1958, without consultation with NATO, left us vulnerable in that area in the coming years. He prevented Israel from getting arms and left them having to rely on the French. He did nothing about the rise of Castro in Cuba and his CIA left the inexperienced Kennedy with a disaster on his hands regarding the “Bay of Pigs.” His South American policies set back FDR’s Good Neighbor outreach policy by decades, and Nixon’s so-called “goodwill tour” ended in riots and chaos. The Eisenhower-Dulles policy in Indo-China also wound up creating more problems for us in the future. As part of their “containment” policy they failed to see the inherent nationalism in the 100 year Indo-Chinese rebellion against the French. Wherein FDR promised Ho Chi Minh independence from colonial rule if he helped the Allies against Japan, after his death that promise was not fulfilled. As the armed revolution by the Viet Minh gained intensity, Eisenhower provided $90 million in cash and arms to the French, but would not promise or deliver men. Of course the French fell at Dienbienphu, and instead of the Allies recognizing an independent Vietnam, they divided the country, not unlike Korea, into a north and south bifurcated region. If the United States had seen the reality of the situation, and had understood that Indo-China nationalism was much more important than Communism, the disaster of the future Vietnam War may have been averted. Eisenhower did not understand that the southern part of the country was more agrarian and more dominated by the “land reformers” and the Communists and the industrial north around Hanoi and Haiphong was the more capitalistic oriented. Therefore, when Dienbienphu collapsed, the northern “business” class fled south, and was able to take command of the new government in the south. JFK’s connections with the northern Catholic minority, led by the Diem family, would have never happened. In other words, when Ho Chi Minh defeated out the French, we would have been able to have our own relationship with that new country, and helped them be weaned away from ancient rival China.

    Besides all of that, Eisenhower became entrapped in a disaster regarding his “lies” about U-2 over-flights of the Soviet Union and the capture of Captain Francis Gary Powers. When he was confronted by those facts at the Geneva Summit by Premier Khrushchev, he and the United States were embarrassed and the meeting collapsed and failed. Well he was certainly right about being “entrapped!” On the domestic front, the Sherman Adams scandal exposed Eisenhower’s office to the charge of corruption. Adams was accused of accepting a bribe of a vicuna coat from one Bernard Goldfine, who had pending business with the government. Not only was his administration tarnished but also Eisenhower really lost his “assistant” President. It was really Adams a former New Hampshire Congressman and Governor who ran the White House, as Eisenhower’s Chief of Staff. After Adams, who had appeared on the cover of Time Magazine twice, the White House started to really drift with the aging and sick President. In the 1958 disastrous midterm elections, the Republicans who were slightly in the minority in the Senate, 49-47 lost 15 seats, giving the Democrats a 30-seat majority, 64 to 34. In the House where they also were in the minority 233-220 they lost 50 seats and the Democratic majority went from 13 seats to 130. Because of this “landslide” Eisenhower became a “lame duck” for the remainder of his term.

  • The Advocates

    Part II

    He regretted appointing Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, but did federalize the Arkansas National Guard in 1957, and did bring the 101st Airborne in to help integrate Little Rock’s Central High School. But he did little for Civil Rights except encourage delay and obfuscation and the formerly solid Republican Black GOP vote never returned. The economy languished under his so-called benign, pro-laissez-faire leadership. We had three severe recessions under his watch.

    During his administration, a time of plenty for some, and great prosperity for the white suburbs, the cities were crumbling under his administration. Crime grew in America as Blacks languished in ghettoes in the center city. All over, the vision of Black Board Jungle and West Side Story were played out in America’s inner cities. As these white-middle class suburbs prospered, we started to decline academically all over the country as many sections of the cities became enclaves of gangs, and their “mean streets” could not be traveled and were subsequently uninhabitable. People were in fear in those neighborhoods, as “white flight” became a tsunami. Finally in 1957 with the launching of Sputnik, by the Soviets, some awakened in Congress to the reality that many of our schools were 2nd and 3rd rate. Young people were out of shape and lazy and Washington’s uninspired leadership had little connection with the either the problems of that day or young people’s aspirations. Ironically this divide between rich and poor, and those who knew and didn’t were repeated in the 1980’s with Ronald Reagan at the helm, and today with George W. Bush. It is said that “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel,” and both Reagan and Bush have masked over many of our problems by wrapping themselves in the flag. In the Eisenhower Administration patriotism and the blurring of the “Establishment Clause” of the US Constitution started to emerge. Remember, it is at that time, that the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag had “under G-d.” added to its words. Ironically Eisenhower, like Reagan never were Church-going or religious individuals.

    If any man should not have been elected President it was Dwight Eisenhower. He covered up his heart attack in 1948 and because of the serious nature of that type of condition he would have been almost disqualified for that nomination by either party. What was the result? Eisenhower was by far the unhealthiest man to serve as President. He suffered a serious heart attack in 1955, had a stroke, and an attack of Ileitis. He was out of circulation more than any other President, and of course, this is where Sherman Adams stepped in to fill the breach. Ironically he remained popular, and if he were younger, healthier, and constitutionally able he probably would have won a third term. Probably the same could have been said for Ronald Reagan.

    Eisenhower knew little about America. He had not really lived much in the country from mid 1930’s until the early 1950’s. In his early career he had little contact with average Americans as he was posted in dusty backwater billets. He missed out of serving in combat in World War I. After the end of hostilities and the de-mobilization he was considered a good staff officer and was assigned to General Douglas MacArthur in the early 1930’s. He was involved with the “Bonus March” cleanup and resultant political embarrassment to the Hoover Administration. He followed MacArthur to Philippines after the former Chief of Staff was exiled from Washington by FDR. It was said that he never knew how to use a dial phone or drive a car. After his success in World War II he was selected by Truman to head NATO and after a short period he came back to the states and was selected to be President of Columbia University. Insiders derided his appointment, because it was said that it came from a mix-up. The talk was that the Trustees wanted his brother Milton, a renowned educator and that the wrong Eisenhower was asked! His tenure at Columbia was short-lived and basically a disaster. Eisenhower had a difficult time relating to the dynamics of academia. He was used to giving orders, having someone else listen and react. He had little or no sense of humor and the prospect of raising money for the university was anathema to him. Not only was he not comfortable with Columbia but also he was not really comfortable with the press. When he became President, his Press Secretary Jim Haggerty staged his press conferences and the questions were pre-screened. He did few off-the -cuff interviews and he never seemed to have a real grasp of the issues at hand. Personally, I was too young to fully digest much of the detail regarding his public appearances. But as an individual with a great interest in history and World War II, I did watch with great relish his television special with Walter Cronkite regarding the 20th anniversary of D-Day in June of 1964. Of course Eisenhower was 74 years old at that time, and not a really well man. But he was alert enough to make the program interesting. When I later saw complete re-runs of the famous broadcast I was less impressed. Eisenhower had no sense of humor, very little wit and in reality the show was not too terribly enlightening. Could the same show with General Bradley or Admiral Alan Kirk, the naval commander at Normandy been more interesting? Who knows? Eisenhower had the cachet value as the former head of SHAEF and a popular two-time President.

    In 1960 he barely campaigned for his Vice-President, Richard Nixon. Later on he regretted not doing more for him. Nixon only lost by 2/10 of a percent in the popular vote and a swing of 25,000 votes in Illinois and Texas would have given him the election in the Electoral College. He capped that campaign off with another faux pas. When asked by the press if he could think of something worthwhile that the Vice-president had done in eight years, he answered that if they gave him some time he could come up with something. Again, ironically, Eisenhower hadn’t really meant that and deeply regretted the impression he had given. With all of Nixon’s warts, Eisenhower actually liked the star-crossed Nixon, who he had supported right from the beginning, that had included the “Checker’s slush fund crisis. All in all, he was a mediocre President and in the Schesinger historian’s poll of the mid 1960’s he was rated below average.

    In retrospect I give Eisenhower high marks for being a decent honest man. He opened up the “Death Camps” for the world’s media and he allowed the Czechs to take vengeance on the Nazis. He was no friend of the American Jewish community at large, and Jews were conspicuously absent in his administration, his inner circle and with his appointments to lower positions. He was a man who really who proved the axiom that war is too important to be left to the generals.

    But let’s not pick on Ike, who was a decent man, totally unqualified to be president. Let’s just look at Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon, Ford, the two Bushes and Reagan. For better or worse the Harding, Nixon and Reagan administrations were the most corrupt since Grant. In other words more folks were indicted, convicted and jailed than all the rest of the administrations of the 20th Century.

  • Don39

    Hey last resistance want to know why your readership is going to zero? It is because of the crap posted above and the fact that you CAN NOT KEEP LIVEFYRE WHERE THE CONSERVATIVES ARE FUNCTIONING!

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