We Need Hearings on Un-American Activities, Now!


The destructive actions and agenda of President Obama and his Executive Branch can no longer be tolerated by Americans. Obama has no plans to respect our laws and founding principles. He only wishes to weaken them and cripple what once was a country worthy of the title World Superpower. A country that the planet could count on to lay down our lives to defend good against aggression and shake compliance out of the stupidly arrogant and dangerous.

Obama’s priority is to destroy his opposition and complete his dream of transforming our Republic into a government controlled hell where citizens obey the government—over our faith in God and morality—or he will see us marginalized and subjugated. If he is allowed to advance his un-American delusions the United States future is certain. We will all be sacrificed to his world view.

Unlawful acts that rise to the level of treason and espionage cannot be abided to accommodate a dishonest man’s claim of privilege. Lies do not grant a criminal absolution for his mistakes nor his fabricated victories. Political patronage is graft and Obama is the spawn of this insidious illness that he has encouraged as President of our country.  Obama has no respect is devoid of a conscience and his dangerous addiction to power and fame is destroying our nation.

Yesterday, I watched our Secretary of State refuse to answer to the American people for her failures and the deaths of four Americans serving our country.  Incompetence is not an excuse Madam Secretary, it is criminal when you run our State Department and you watch four of your staff murdered and take political cover to protect your boss’s re-election and your political future. You Madam are not an American and you should be tried for your ineptitude and resolute betrayal of your fellow countrymen.

Manufacturing crisis is a form of sedition and it is a crime in America. Our President is fabricating carefully scripted crisis in order to assault our Constitution. Arbitrary and meritless gun bans are illegal in the United States of America. So is auctioning off sensitive U.S. assets and technologies to foreign governments. The mere thought of or plotting to undertake such a venture can carry the death sentence. It’s called espionage. Both of these crimes are being committed by our Executive Branch every day to satisfy their lust for deficit funding.

Our elections and our rights to vote for legitimate candidates openly vetted have been compromised by foreign money laundered through shell corporations, tax exempt charities, unions and lobbies. Not only does Obama willingly except this corruption, but he is now moonlighting on our time and dime for his campaign turned his tax free interest lobby. Conflict of interests abound and laws are broken as the Chicago school of machine politics rules the day and destroys what is left of a representative government and free and open elections. This too is against the law in the United States. This too is a crime.

Obama denies his Islamist loyalties. He strategically weakens U.S. military threats to his global brethren and exploits U.S. taxpayer money to provide terrorists camouflaged as Arab reformers with the equipment and aid they require to flourish and strengthen their anti-American offensive. Subterfuge is his ally, as he boldly claims victory where none exists; all to allow Islamist ideology to advance on American rights, laws and sovereignty. Access to the White House is now purchased by Sheiks and their errand boys. This too is a crime.

The United States of America is not a social engineering project. No President is ever elected to tinker with the inalienable rights that provide the foundation of our freedom and liberty. They all swear an oath to protect and defend these rights. Obama has proven to us he has no respect for the oath he took 4 years ago and re-took 4 days ago.  His loyalties are un-American and he is no longer afraid to show his true intent. Obama’s ultimate target, our countries fiscal and social destruction, is no longer a secret. This is treason and it too is a crime.

President Obama is the greatest domestic threat our nation faces. This man possesses the power to soothe and heal our nation, yet he arrogantly chooses the path of confrontation, corruption and denial furthering the disintegration of our American way of life and our exceptionalism.

Whatever heroes that still remain in our government and in our communities must demand investigation into this administrations serial corruption and willful disregard for their oaths and the breaking of our nation’s laws. We must take the fight for our rights to the White House. We must rid our nation of the sinister threat that has stolen the high political high ground and doomed us to 4 more years of Obama’s Amerika. Un-American activities can no longer be forgiven for they have become the new norm and eventually they will take us all.







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  • texaselect

    Until and unless the Congress and Senate ACT, Obama and his cronies will continue to pillage the Treasury and attempt to Trash our Constitution. This article has very eloquently said what I have been saying to people for more than 4 years. Our Congress has to be held accountable for their subversion of the Law and refusal to remove Obama from office. We The People may indeed, soon be forced to ACT with force, to stop the Progressive Liberal Communists. Any politician who sides with the communists / socialists, knowingly Violates their Oath to Defend The Constitution  or is otherwise guily of Treason and should be Tried in a Peoples Court and Punished for their crimes against this Nation. The longer this attack on us continues the more emboldened the left will get to push their agenda down our throats. We will not be disarmed, we will fight all the way to the doors of the White House and remove the president if it comes to it. No UN force he brings in will be able to stop the American Forces that are We The People of the United States of America.

  • Seymour Kleerly

    The Right’s wish to remind America of the McCarthy era is proof that they are approaching complete irrelevance.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @Seymour Kleerly
       This is coming from the same person who couldn’t offer one liberal solution to America’s problems a few weeks ago? Come on Seymour. Give us your specific critique of the authors chrages. Defend the President using specifics. Defend his Administration using specifics. Come on I dare you. Thrill me with your acumen.

      • CarlStevenson

        @Benevolent Thinker Seymour Kleerly is clearly a quisling. I suggest we simply ignore his quisling rants from now on.

    • CarlStevenson

      @Seymour Kleerly I know it pisses you off that McCarthy was RIGHT about all of the communists infiltrating our government, and that you don’t want people to know that fact, but facts are facts and you’re not entitled to make up your own,

  • http://comcast.net/ kds

    Nobody in Washington has the BALLS to do anything against this Communist Regime. Maybe we need to let the Military  who are loyal to THE CONSTITUTION take and put them all in Gitmo for treason

    • boone1

      @kds
       The military is no longer loyal to the CONSTITUTION get your head out of the sand and wake up.

  • right wing nut job

    O sh%^
    No sh%^
    BS
    Irreconsalable differences
    Secession is the only answer.

  • Johnny P

    We The People need congress and the House to take action there just may be a second civil war in this country. There are not a whole lot of folks faithful to the constitution that are willing to put up with what is going on.  Those of us that were in the military know of the oath we took to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States.   It is the very same oath taken by our present military. 
    For those that are willing to fire on their own citizens I say may God have mercy on your souls.

  • RalphZ

    I say the idea is wrong because it will be the Usurper Obama and his thugs that will decide what is and is not “American”.  Look at the paper that came out of that Army think tank and then think about what this article is about.

  • mtgt101

    I think you will even find that all military officers are violating their sworn oath and the Constitution

    • Upaces

      @mtgt101 They are caught between the “rock and the hard place”.  He is their Commander in Chief.  Some HAVE bucked him and he has replaced them…with HIS people.

    • Wizard-Glick

      @mtgt101
       I know if I was in the Armed Forces now, I’d find it very difficult to be taking orders from the big traitor in the WhiteHouse.

    • FrozenStar

      @mtgt101 Indeed our country has been damaged by the ilk in our government, education, medical, social, every agency.  Go home and take your clan with you.

  • Hairball51

    What about this Muslim agenda don’t the people of this nation understand, OMG

    • boone1

      @Hairball51
       Most of the people in this country hate GOD that is why we are in the shape we are in.GOD has removed his BLESSING from AMERICA and it’s not going to get any better in fact it’s going to get much worse much much worse if we don’t turn back to GOD.The people of this country elected an evil man pure evil they put him back in office and they will mark the day that they did this you watch an evil has come upon AMERICA so evil that GOD WILL NOT HELP.

      • FrozenStar

        @boone1  @Hairball51 Jewish?

    • FrozenStar

      @Hairball51 Stop it.  You think everything is anti-jewish.  This guy is a COMMIE like his MOMMIE and gpts and his PAPPY Frank Marshall and his PALS.  You guys better step out and stop Ginsberg and stop trying to push us to fight Israel’s enemies.  Man up, learn how to change enemies to friends and stop building walls and stealing pieces of land… and mind the Presidents of the USA who have told you through several Pres to stop AGITATING.

      • jpcec

        @FrozenStar  @Hairball51 Excuse me frozen star but you are as full of s**t as a Christmas turkey! Israel is our only ally in the middle east. Israelis have defended themselves brilliantly through many Arab assaults and always come out on top. Yes the Islamic Radicals are our sworn enemies but is Israel in a different position than we are with regard to militant Islam? I think not. Get your facts straight and remember one thing…It is far better to keep your mouth shut and allow folks to believe you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt!

  • ArtSchefler

    Obama’s regime has been replete with constitutional snubs and Muslim leanings. I suggest that he be the first to be investigated thoroughly.

    • boone1

      @ArtSchefler
       Good luck on that one

    • FrozenStar

      @ArtSchefler No, let him dangle for a while.  His “second term” is a prison where we keep track of him and sharp elbow out his controllers and take charge of him.   First to focus on is the US Supreme Court Justice Ginsberg who met with and told the Egyptian leader not to use our Constitution as a model for their new one because ours is old and no longer relevant and she has a hard time working under it.  She recommended that they use the Africa Constitution or one of the European Constitutions, preferably one created after WWII.  You know, that WWII war that saved a lot of Jews from ovens under Hitler’s agenda and we had to save them because Hitler had taken their guns and their rights…  Ginsberg scratched every American including those laying under little white crosses all over the world where they gave their lives to save jews, those soldiers who honored their Oaths to our Constitution and loved our flag.  Ginsberg broke her Oath and must be questioned before a Hearing, Tried and punished.  SHE IS OLD AND NO LONGER RELEVANT TO HER JOB AND WE HAVE A HARD TIME WORKING AROUND HER.   She is an INGRATE and TRAITOR, and anyone who supports her is the same.  WHERE are the American Jews who should be first in line to remove her and to show their gratitude and respect for our country and our soldiers who made it so they aren’t speaking German.

      • CarlStevenson

        @FrozenStar @ArtSchefler Not all Jews support the leftists. Just as there were Jews in Germany who were toadies to Hitler and sold their fellow Jews down the river, the “Jewish leaders” like Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Laudenberg, Wasserman-Schultz, etc. are judenrats (with no intent on my part to insult rats, which are actually a higher form of life).
        All of the judenrats are JINOs and tyrant wannabes. They are NOT to be confused with the majority of Jews who are good people.
        Obama’s patron George Soros was born a Jew. His parents gave him to a non-Jew to protect him from the Holocaust, just before they were hauled off to the camps.
        George was about 12 at the time, as I recall.
        George willingly went around showing the Nazis where the Jews lived so their property could be stolen and they could be shipped off to the camps. George, like the judenrats of then and now, was a quisling who sought to protect and enrich himself by helping others enslave, and ultimately murder, innocents.
        There are evil people of all heritages, ethnicities, and religions.
        Feinstein and the other judenrats are evil, not because of their names or because they pretends to be Jewish, but because of their behavior.
        There are plenty of Jews who oppose her and her colleagues in crime. See jpfo.org and, specifically http://jpfo.org/images02/handbillpoliticians-large.jpg to see for yourself how many Jews feel about Feinstein and the others who seek to disarm us so they can control us.

        • FrozenStar

          @CarlStevenson  @FrozenStar  @ArtSchefler  That dog won’t hunt.  An American saying ol Devil Fine Stine mooned us with on tv.  Americans aren’t “buying” the poor pitiful pearl party or the don’t blame me, blame that fella behind the tree defense anymore.  IF there were any “good” American Jews, they would have bounced Ginsberg off the bench and down the steps on her butt as soon as she ripped our Constitution.  You simply belong in some other country where you won’t have to try to slam our Christmas Nativity scenes or Christmas Trees by shoving your Menorah’s everywhere we have our symbols.  It’s over.  Go away.  Make Israel a nice place to live and be a good neighbor.  The damage you have done here is inexcusable and now when the jews in our finance have helped ruin our money, you still demand that we send BILLIONS every year to Israel.  We cannot afford you in any way anymore.  You are NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE.. and you ARE trouble.  Bet ya can get this deleted, huh.

  • OLDAD

    Couldn’t agree with you more.  The courts just acted in the case of the labor relations board appointments and declared them to be illegal and revoked.  If this isn’t treason and unAmerican then I’m a monkey’s Uncle.
    Put this POS in jail now, that will be a good first step

    • icetrout

      @OLDAD Crazy Joe, Holder,Hillary,Obamadyke & the rest of the traitors…

  • ireAmerica

    Mr. Obama clearly wrote in his own books who he is, what drives him and what his political philosophy is. He writes affectionately about his mentors, one, a card carrying Communist Party member. Mr. Obama also states unequivocally that he habitually seeks out the most radical Marxist/Communist thinkers for dialog and exchange of ideas.
     
    Mr. Obama demonstrated his Black Panther (black power) affiliation while in office by his and Eric Holder’s failure to follow up on the very serious matter of voter intimidation. This is germane to the Communist discussion as the black power community affiliates itself with revolutionary Marxism. As an aside, these affiliations are a betrayal of race (any race) and class (mostly the poor). As everybody knows, Marx’ benefactor was Engels whose textile business “employed” a large slave-labor force.
     
    Mr. Obama is deliberately (caught on video recording ) “skyrocketing” the cost of energy, which is the primary raw material of any production. Along with illegally stealing from GM and Chrysler bondholders to bail out UAW workers, and take government “investment” positions in the auto industry.
     
    Under Mr. Obama’s watch the price of gasoline has doubled, food program participation is up 50%, American coal and petrochemical exploitation are stalled and real unemployment is up quite dramatically. These problems are not “due to a mess he was handed”.
     
    Mr. Obama is purposely trying to create chaos and privation – just like Marx (and Engels).

  • braveheart 1

    How many times is the obama regime going to subvert the Constitution before Congress or the Supreme Court stops him.They all know he is Illegally occupying the Oval Office and they are allowing it.And to think this FRAUD and USURPER  is in charge of our military!!!!!!!!

  • icetrout

    God Bless “Tail Gunner “Joe McCarthy  he was RIGHT all along!

    • Upaces

      @icetrout Yes, he most certainly was!

    • GrumpyOldGoat

      @icetrout And the democrats still hate him as much now as they did then.

  • GrumpyOldGoat

    We NEED the hearings.
     
    Just NOT by either house of congress.
     
    It should be done by the States, and done in groups with equal representation and done IN PUBLIC hearings.
     
    10 groups of five States each with each State having One primary member and a minimum or 5 staffers per State representative.

  • jsmithcsa

    While this is great rhetoric against President Obama, do you have any real belief the Senate will impeach him?  As long as the Democrats control that poor, warped body*, we are at his mercy.
     
     
    *And Boehner the Boner refuses to defend us when he can.

    • dwightl

      @jsmithcsa
       you are wright

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @jsmithcsa
       Impeachment should be the least of Obama’s worries. Same goes for his cabinet and his apointees. Crimes are being committed. Crimes punishable by death.

    • Recmanmc

      @jsmithcsa I agree with you. The House has to bring charges for impeachment and the Senate tries the person to be impeached. While it might be possible for the House to bring the charges, the Senate will never convict Obama with the Democrats controlling the Senate. Nice rhetoric but a waste of time and effort.

  • MarcusAntonius

    “An ancient stalks the land from sea to shining sea. It’s known by many different names but, all are tyranny.” Unknown

  • SFsoldier

    texaselect Amen, I have your back. We are all getting ready.

  • DockyWocky

    After recalling how Juius Caesar got it by the Roman Senate, it struck me that there isn’t anyone in our Senate that would have the cajones to mimic that performance. I guess we have become too civilized – broke, but civilized.

  • sharer014

    How about another Civil War? Only this time it’s going to be all over, and everybody’s a target, and we will use the bodies for barricades until we take down the Capitol and put up the New Temple of the White Christ in its place. How about that? Are you ready to KILL FOR JESUS?

    • Recmanmc

      @sharer014 No, I am not ready to kill for Jesus because the Bible says, “thou shalt not kill”

  • MSGran

    Obama will never be impeached.  Even if the House filed articles of impeachment,  it has to be passed by a 2/3rds majority and as long as the Senate is controlled by the democraps, it’ll never happen!  We’re screwed!

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @MSGran
       You don’t get it. Impeachment is not the answer. Crimes are being committed by this administration and the sentence for these crimes ranges from life in prison to death, Impeachment is a political process, it is not a criminal investigation and trial. Re-read article.

      • MSGran

        Yes, I do get it…..I was respondng to another post here!

      • VnVet56

        @Benevolent Thinker  @MSGran 
         
        You are correct that impeachment is a political process, and punishment beyond removal from Office and future disqualification is disallowed. A sitting President can be indicated, investigated and tried for criminal activity, however, it would require that the Attorney General (Eric Holder) appoint a special prosecutor, and then that prosecutor would have to overcome the general reluctance to rigorously investigate the President. This was recommended and attempted during G.W. Bush’s Presidency but AG Gonzales would not proceed and would not step aside to allow a deputy to appoint one. Neither will Holder or the next AG.
         
        Impeachment and removal from Office would eliminate both societal and unofficial barriers to successful prosecution.

    • 7papa7

      @MSGran You are absolutely right.  I have been calling for this Marxist to be put out of office by any means.  Like you say though the dems don’t care about the country so it will not happen.  It is sad that politics out trump the good of America.

      • A Proud American

        @7papa7  @MSGran
         
        You are correct.  Obama and the Democrat Party are so corrupt and they have corrupted our entire government.  As long as the Democrats have the hold over the RNC (Republican National Committee), no Republican will ever serve as president.  This hold is the court agreement in 1982 that says the RNC will not contest any voter fraud committed by the Democrats.  In December 2012, the RNC asked the judge (a Democrat from New Jersey) to vacate this agreement, but he refused their request because in his mind the Republicans’ crimes in 1981 were to agrieveous.  There is something wrong with this ruling because after over 30 years no political Party should be held to an agreement that allows the other Party to commit voter fraud any time it wants.  Perhaps the RNC should take the case all the way to the US Supreme Court.  Further, this agreement does not apply to the Congress so John Boehner should have hearings on voter fraud by the Democrats.  Everyone knows voter fraud was committed in Illinois, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvannia, Maryland, Michigan, and Florida in 2012.  Dead people voted, in some districts there were more votes cast than were registered, and illegals voted throughout the United States.  We are such a Third World Country when it comes to voting.

  • VnVet56

    The problem goes beyond Obama and his Marxist philosophies. The Federal Government (White House and Congress) is stuffed with Progressives, both Liberal (Obama, Reid) and moderates (McCain, Graham). In 2014 we will have a chance to oust many of the Progressives and elect candidates that espouse the founding principles and honor the Constitution. Then and only them will we be able to put Obama in check.
     
    I believe the House would impeach, but the current Senate would never convict.

    • merriel46

      @VnVet56  Finally someone with some knowledge of the Constitution.  I too am a VietNam era vet.  When I joined the Navy, I pledged to protect our Constitution and I still do.  Maybe we need some new blood in the Senate (minus harry)  then there would be a chance  of impeaching obama, but not as long as reid is there.

  • Evermyrtle

    The best plan seems to me is to clean house and start over and hope for 60% Conservative,

  • OhGator

    Obama’s last traitor act was selling our fighter jets to Egypt, and the muslim brotherhood who are the sponsors of AlQuida.

    • Evermyrtle

      @OhGator Impeach him and throw him in jail which he has earned, a crime against the USA.

      • merriel46

        @Evermyrtle  @OhGator  I hate to tell you this but I must..  As long as Dirty harry is running the Senate, obama is NEVER going to be impeached.  harry  believes that obama can not only walk on water, he can also calm the seas.  harry is the main reason that we have not had a balanced budget in close to 5 years.

        • Evermyrtle

          @merriel46  @OhGator I think you are right but that does not mean that I will give up,This is my country run by completely anti-GOD peoples.

    • kysteelgirl

      @OhGator
       Selling hell…we gave them away to obama terrorist buddies

  • CarlStevenson

    I think it’s safe to assume that Obama is not a candidate to be the author’s “BFF.” I agre with him. I despise Obama. Not because he’s part black. I wouldn’t care if he was green with purple polka dots. I object to his corruption and his Marxist/fascist behavior. He’s a Hitler/Stalin/Mao wannabe.
    Those sorts of psychopathic sociopaths … And he IS one, never doubt it … have throughout the history of mankind ALWAYS shown themselves to be murderous tyrants.
    Obama will be no different unless We the People wise up, stand firm in refusing his corrupt tyrany, and stick together.
    Don’t let history repeat itself in what was once the greatest republic the world has ever known.
    And don’t tell me “It can’t happen here.” It IS happening. It’s well advanced and has been moving in the wrong direction for a century (Wilson, a progressive, the progressive income tax, the “federal reserve”‘ and many other moves. Destroying our republic and our liberty, a little at a time, like “death by a thousand tiny cuts.”
    For those who can’t see Tim or can’t bring them to accept the reality, I leave you with a quote to consider:
    “Anyone who tells you that ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ is whistling past the graveyard of history. There is no ‘house rule’ that bars tyranny coming to America. History is replete with republics whose people grew complacent and descended into imperial butchery and chaos.” — Mike Vanderboegh
    When terror comes in a government vehicle, as it has so many times in the past after the common man is disarmed “for his own good,” what minority will be the first victim? To maintain order and distract the masses from their government’s daily failings they will manufacture a boogey man who is responsible for all suffering and they will become the first to either die or be reeducated. We learn nothing and are taught nothing from history and are doomed to repeat it. And they say a government education has no value, it serves the despot very well.

    • Wizard-Glick

      @CarlStevenson
       It is true!!!!!!!!!! Incompetence is color blind

  • Yutts

    I firmly believe that if we don’t elect enough conservaive republicans / tea party members  to office in 2014 we are through. If the Democrats still control the Senate we will be in the same place we are now, in deep grease. If  Congress should fall back into the Democrats hands as well, Obama will have a  free hand to leave his legacy,  a United States that is no longer a power throughout the world but a Marxist / Socialist government in which he can force anything he desires upon us.
     
    Now is the time we have to organize ourselves, I am not sure we even have a chance in 2014, but I can promise you, if Obama is left to his own desires, we will never have another opportunity.
     
    GOD SAVE OUR NATION!

    • metalman

      @Yutts Do you really believe there is still a “republican” party? If you believe they are ANY different than the “democrats” than you are truly naive to what is really happening in this country and therefore you are still not awake. It is a two-headed monster being controlled by the global bankers. Until the FED is destroyed, bankers are arrested, are our voting system is overhauled, we are done. We are THE most corrupt nation on the planet. We are now under U.N. control and the global bankers run the planet. If our citizens (that care anything about what is left of our Republic) do not wake up and act in mass, and I mean NOW, it’s all over. FEMA camps will be nothing compared to what’s coming. Lock and load…………..

      • Kangeroo

        @metalman  @Yutts
         “Modern Militia Movement” is looking for recruits.

        • jstarusa

          @Kangeroo  @metalman  @Yutts  Will we be put on Obamas “Kill List?””Modern Militia Movement is looking for recruits”

      • jpcec

        @metalman  @Yutts Bingo! Enough said!

    • ottocr

      @Yutts After Harry Reid’s gambit in the Senate, it’s about as bad as in can get.  With the filibuster effectively neutralized and the Senate Minority Leader under Reid’s thumb, conservatives have no chance at all in the Senate, and Reid effectively controls Boehner in the House.  Obama controls Reid, so we now have, effectively, a federal dictatorship in full bloom.  We can be sure that Team Obama will use the same voting fraud tactics that were used in the November elections to be sure HE was re-elected to maintain his liberal lackeys’ tenure in both houses, increase liberal presence in the House, and generally run rough-shod over Congress.  Frankly, I have little hope that the 2014 election will produce any improvements in favor of Constitutional government.  Between our elected socialists and Obama’s appointed communists, it’s just about over.  The really sad thing is that there’s no-where in the world to which one could go to escape the communist revolution now in full flower.  With the world economy on the ropes and the U.N. – controlled by a bunch of radical Islamic activists, there soon won’t be a safe place on earth.  Bottom line:  we (collectively) have let it happen.  Now we may be forced to fight for our lives, our homes, our very existence.  This is what happens when a nation (and most of the world) becomes dependent on government for its existence.  That government eventually becomes the instrument of its destruction.  What the “gimme’s” of this country don’t understand is, after they’ve facilitated this revolution, THEY will be among the first to go!!

      • metalman

        @ottocr  @Yutts People: “What have you given us?” Founders: “A Republic -if you can keep it.” We apparently couldn’t………….

  • crash357

    As long as the Federal Reserve OWNS the Money and Money making machine, EVERY Politician is the FED’s Employees, and they are being forced to do the Bidding of the Bankers of the FED. The Federal Reserve Act HAS TO BE REPEALED, and the Bankers HAVE TO BE ARRESTED, and the National Debt ERASED. Nothing else will put Obama out of Business short of a High Powered rifle.

  • e1313ruth

    Either  2 Ch 7-14 or civil war…..The only problem is the dummiecrats will never obey this verse..
     
    2 Ch 7-14..If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

  • CarlStevenson

    I think it’s safe to assume that Obama is not a candidate to be the author’s “BFF.” :-)
    i agree with him. I despise Obama. Not because he’s part black. I wouldn’t care if he was green with purple polka dots. I object to his corruption and his Marxist/fascist behavior. He’s a Hitler/Stalin/Mao wannabe.
    Those sorts of psychopathic sociopaths … And he IS one, never doubt it … have throughout the history of mankind ALWAYS shown themselves to be murderous tyrants. Obama will be no different unless We the People wise up, stand firm in refusing his corrupt tyrany, and stick together. Don’t let history repeat itself in what was once the greatest republic the world has ever known. And don’t tell me “It can’t happen here.” It IS happening. It’s well advanced and has been moving in the wrong direction for a century (Wilson, a progressive, the progressive income tax, the “federal reserve”‘ and many other moves since.) Destroying our republic and our liberty, a little at a time, like “death by a thousand tiny cuts.”
    For those who can’t see the forest for the trees, or can’t bring themselves to accept the reality, I leave you with a quote to consider:
    “Anyone who tells you that ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ is whistling past the graveyard of history. There is no ‘house rule’ that bars tyranny coming to America. History is replete with republics whose people grew complacent and descended into imperial butchery and chaos.” — Mike Vanderboegh
    When terror comes in a government vehicle, as it has so many times in the past after the common man is disarmed “for his own good,” what minority will be the first victim? To maintain order and distract the masses from their government’s daily failings they will manufacture a boogey man who is responsible for all suffering and they will become the first to either die or be reeducated. We learn nothing and are taught nothing from history and are doomed to repeat it. And they say a government education has no value, it serves the despot very well.

  • DefendConstitution

    Wow!! After reading this article, I have a little hope that some others are finally waking up. Why has it taken 5 years? Why doesn’t anyone in Congress wake up and do something, ANYTHING, to rein bho in before the country has been destroyed? What does bho and the clinton’s have on all of Congress? If bho is found guilty of treason and not being elidgible to be POTUS, all his E.O.’s, Supreme Court appointments, all documents including laws he signed as POTUS and all activities performed by his government agencies will be declared null and void.

  • The Texas Cooke

    It’s called an impeachment hearing.

    • jpcec

      @The Texas Cooke That is exactly what is called for but in this day and age, good luck with that. It would do my heart good to see this traitor marched out of the White House in handcuffs on his way to jail but who is going to put the hammer down? If you seriously believe anyone in the  House has the balls to impeach, followed by the  Senate to remove him from office, don’t hold your breath as I’m certain you will do nothing but turn blue. They don’t have the guts to straighten him out on spending. What makes you think they would have the tumerity  to impeach him? I see no evidence that either house of congress would even take the matter seriously, let alone act on the issue! What really makes me wonder is how has our electorate become so mind numbed as to re-elect this phony bologna to a second term when his first was disaster in the making. I have no idea what the answer is but we sure as hell need one soon!

  • Kangeroo

    Time to join your local militia.  I recommend the “Modern Militia Movement”.  They had representatives at our local Tea-Party meeting.  Its a growing organization.

  • RussFowler

    Why are the politicians afraid of Obama.?  For sure we don’t like what the politicians are doing unless you are in the wagon being pull by the tax payers.

    • AlRoberts3

      @RussFowler
       They are not afraid of him.  They are ‘PLAYING’ like they are opposing the socialist muslim, so that NO ONE ELSE will form a party against them.  One that they could not control
       
      CHRISTIAN TEA PARTY

  • AlRoberts3

    The only problem is to find enough politicians who have the integrity and guts to actually stand against the media and the forces who are pushing the destruction. 
     
    Sarah Palin has been the ONLY ONE we have seen in the last decade who took a stand.  She has been the ONLY one to comeup with ideas that, afterword, were jumped on by the other Republicans.  So why did she not get support from the Republican Party and other conservatives?  Because they allow the media to lead the discussion.  They have NO guts and they have no integrity.
     
    You get what you deserve.  And we played their game with their rules.  AND WE ARE LOSING.  Stop listening to them.

    • jpcec

      @AlRoberts3 Why did no one listen to Sara Palin? Two words – No Balls!

  • mtgt101

    Yes Joe McCarthy was spot on

  • ginger

    And start at the White House!!!!!

  • texanna

    Well, now is the time when we need a Joe McCarthy!

  • erasmo

    Bring back “Joe Mccarthy” — these politicians are not only far – far left, but show signs on being anti Americns.
    Sen. Joseph Mccarthy not only was a war hero, but loved this country and put his political ife in danger when had members of conress and the hollywood elite investigated for their communistic affiliations– we only hear about those that were not communist — never those that were actually convicted — today there are numerous anti-americams in our local, state, and government offices, AS WELL AS HOLLYWOOD – bring back a JOSEPH MCCARTH TO GIVE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

  • erasmo

    Bring back “Joe Mccarthy” — these politicians are not only far – far left, but show signs on being anti Americns.
    Sen. Joseph Mccarthy not only was a war hero, but loved this country and put his political ife in danger when had members of congress and the hollywood elite investigated for their communistic affiliations– we only hear about those that were not communist — never those that were actually convicted — today there are numerous anti-americams in our local, state, and government offices, AS WELL AS HOLLYWOOD – bring back a JOSEPH MCCARTH TO GIVE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

  • Hammer5150

    Old Joe tried to warn us.  Our everlovin media and press destroyed him, miss quoted and lied about him .
    The same type of idiots court marshaled Billy Mitchell.

  • GaryMallast

    Great idea! You are four years too late.  AIM Report exposed Barack Obama’s links to radicals like Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn BEFORE he was elected the first time.  THAT is when he should have been investigated.  Forget about Harry Reid’s Senate reconstituting the Nye Committee. That idea is DOA.  And, do you really think the Republican wusses in Boehner’s House of Representatives will re-constitute HUAC?
     
    Accuracy in Media and Cliff Kincaid deserve enormous credit for exposing Obama in 2008 and 2009 as does Dr. Jerome Corsi.  Unlike information on Al Gore and John “Swiftboat” Kerry, the information didn’t get where it needed to be when it needed to be there.

    • FrozenStar

      @GaryMallast Yeah we are late but better late than never is the good ol reply.  HUAC will emerge again stronger than ever.
       
      Believe it or not, AMERICANS have good friends everywhere.  Swiftboat Cohen Kerry will want to resign and spend time with his “family” in his Ski Lodge Mansion in Idaho and splash around the east coast on his yacht.  He will soon realize he can’t carry back the loot that will be worth the trouble.  Al Gore is due for some real clear investigation about his rings of friends.  Accuracy in Media and Cliff Kincaid and Jerome Corsi got a lot of attention and respect for their work and there are others still in there holding the line and doing great things.

  • AL Orange Park FL

    I agree but without the help of congress I see no end to BO.
    Boehner could take lessons from pelosie on how to be a man!

    • FrozenStar

      @AL Orange Park FL House, Senate, Supreme, Exec, all are in big trouble with Americans.  Each has some dependable Americans who will help… Perhaps some even in the Exec are going to spring “forward” and help.  We are NOT letting this country “be a good crisis” picking for the Commies.  Not going to succeed.

      • AL Orange Park FL

        @FrozenStar I “truly” hope that you are correct my problem is that even those that I’ve known for years are starting to listen to the BO and his talking heads and are beginning to lean towards this guy it is scary business I’m a Vietnam vet and I will not give in to the BO government but I fear I may stand alone at least where I call home!

        • jpcec

          @AL Orange Park FL  @FrozenStar
          AL Orange Park…you are not alone! Many of us stand with you and are ready at the beacon call. There are some true blue Americans left. Wait and see when the proverbial s**t hits the fan!

        • sdufau4315

          @AL Orange Park FL  @FrozenStar Honestly, I don’t know anyone who can stand to listen to “Dear Leader.”

  • BarbaraJohnson

    Dream on! It will never be done. They are above the law that they make for others. They are even talking about eliminating term limits, so that they can have lifetime appointments. Then you will never be able to get rid of them by votes, because of the voting corruption.

    • SandyTrank

      @BarbaraJohnson I have been afraid obama would find a way to eliminate the next election and actually the last one but he didn’t have to when they cheated like they did. I still think he will if he can, get himself a lifetime appointment.

  • J Joy

    What exactly is Obama’s definition of ‘his opposition’??  In this country, one of our privileges and rights is to our opinion and that right says that the opinion doesn’t have to agree with Obama!!!!  I don’t usually agree with Democrat ideology but I don’t want to destroy them!!!  This is the part of Democrat ideology and rhetoric that has become pitiful and sad.  They have become intolerant and violent.  
     
    Obama’s job as President of the United States of America is NOT to define his opposition or destroy anyone.  That is a definition of a regime, authoritarian, dictator, tyrant. and oppressor.  Obama has broken Constitutional law many times to push his ideology and agenda for America.  He thinks he has a clear mandate from his election BUT he doesn’t realize that the mandate that was given him was strictly to keep the freebies coming not enslave us.  The voting liberals who gave Obama this power don’t have a clue as to what Obama really wants or what his true agenda is.  It is sad but true that these selfish, arrogant liberal voters have decided for the rest of us what will happen in the next four years.
     
    Congress should be pursuing the illegalities that have already occurred to stop any more for happening.  But Congress is wrapped up in their own political games that they are playing with the lives of the American people that they don’t have the time or the inclination to pursue any illegalities of the President.

    • jpcec

      @J Joy They don’t have the time? What planet are you from? Their very job is to take the damn time! If they choose not to do so, it is time to remove them from office and now! Each and evary one of them swore an oath of allegiance to the USA, not Barack Obama! Get your head out of your a**!

  • Seymour Kleerly

    How’d the new McCarthyism work out for Allen West? He lost to an inexperienced Dem. in a Republican district!

    • sdufau4315

      @Seymour Kleerly In an election where more people voted than were registered.

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @sdufau4315 I wish that West had won. The country needs to see the ugly, ignorant, arrogant  Right Wing as much as possible.

        • sdufau4315

          @Seymour Kleerly Great! Have the people voting three and four times stay home.  By the way, you are a racist!

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @sdufau4315 How am I a racist?

      • SandyTrank

        @sdufau4315  @Seymour Kleerly And miracles happened like obama winning 100% of the votes in so many areas. They talk about Bush stealing the election from Gore!

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @sdufau4315 That’s because there’s a colony of Siamese Twins living there.  Just Imagine the arguements on the way to the voting hall!.

    • GSoros

      @Seymour Kleerly
       They redistricted his area and then pumped an enormous amount of money into the communist’s campaign.  Then, they did a little cheatin’ on top of that.  THAT is how he lost.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @Seymour Kleerly
       Actually Seymour. This isn’t about elections. This is about the law and enforcing it. Spin what you will, but Obama couldn’t shine West’s shoes.

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @Benevolent Thinker  You mean Obama couldn’t shine West’s Jackboots!

        • sdufau4315

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Benevolent Thinker Obama is a ignorant subversive who is not old enough to see the fallacies of Communism. People waiting in line for a loaf of bread, because all incentive had been killed by their evil beliefs.  !00 million killed in the name of Communism in the 20th century.  And you call us ignorant?

        • Evermyrtle

          @sdufau4315  @Seymour Kleerly  @Benevolent Thinker He will have plenty of bread but that is what he has in mind for us.

        • Evermyrtle

          @sdufau4315  @Seymour Kleerly  @Benevolent Thinker 
          Consider the source when you answer that one! He is not responsible for his mouth, it speaks what that immature mind directs.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @sdufau4315  @Benevolent Thinker Linking 100 million deaths by Communism and Obama Liberalism  is beyond dumb. We need a new term for today’s Right Wingnnuts. It must contain rabid, paranoid, simplistic, gullible, mean, and arrogant. This is new ground for America.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @Seymour Kleerly
           Mr. Kleerly, At least we know Alan West. He doesn’t hide his past. He has never associated with un-American agitators and convicted criminals. West earned his way, served his country and has the character to tell the truth. Where your guy, President Obama, hides from the truth. Got a free ride all his life. Has never had to face down adversity. Associates with enemies of America. Has never put his life or his paycheck on the line for anyone or anything. And lied his way into a two term Presidency that is being purposely squandered.
           
          Since you used the term Jackboots….Please give me one specific example of Allen Wests Nazi or facist ideas or alliances. Just One? It’s getting hotter in this kitchen Mr. Kleerly can you stand the heat?

  • gpo1913

    Your right on the money about obama. Along with his radical pass as a “community Organizer”, association with Accorn etc. He studied the Clowardpiven Strategy under the two professors at Occidental. I know their’s no proof because he won’t release his records. However, he was there during their tenure. And from his policies, it’s obvious he’s aware of the stratergy.IN SHORT, OVERLOAD THE GOVERNMENT AND CAUSE COLLAPSE.First,things you may not know about obama.http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFq0ChhF9V8. now The ClowardPiven Stratergy;Barack Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign; unfortunately, at that time, most Americans either weren’t paying attention or didn’t understand exactly what he meant when he said that the wanted to “fundamentally transform” the United States of America.There are several pages, read and then decide if this isn’twhat he’s doing.http://clowardpivenstrategy.com/index.html

  • Former Republican

    Everyone here knows that just about every statement in the article is factually incorrect (or at least slanted and highly questionable), right?
     
    I was hoping for someone to call DeMayo on his tripe, but even the few literate among LR readers decided instead to stand behind Joe McCarthy, that lying sleazebag who brought Stalinist show trials to America to further his political career. Unlike his victim’s, he deserved everything he got. Unfortunately he got to enjoy retirement in this country that he tried to wreck.
     
    You don’t have to like everything about Obama: I’m against any sort of gun control myself. I think Hilary is evil, personally, though she’s probably the most qualified preidential candidate in the last 8 years, and I hope I’m not forced to campaign and vote for her because Palin is the alternative. I still prefer Obama to anyone that would ever be elected by anyone on this page!

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @Former Republican
       What specific statement or statements do you find factually incorrect? Please elaborte.

    • Zike145

      Wow, You are really screwed up in the head. Open your eyes to what’s going on in Washington. Actually if you haven’t seen it by now, you’re a lost cause.

    • jpcec

      @Former Republican Thank you for being a “FORMER REPUBLICAN”! We can do much better without wingnuts among us. Don’t go away mad…just go away!

    • sdufau4315

      @Former Republican What has Hillary ever done to Qualify her to be anything other than a “First Lady”?  Edit a paper and call cops “pigs.”
      Obama is a Saul Alinsky Marxist agitator who spent the last two years of high school in a “drug induced haze.”   Read his book!   Its about time someone was willing to face the facts that we are under attack.

    • Patriot 5

      @Former Republican 
      I’m wondering just what drugs your on to warp your thinking as it seems to be sans the gun control issue.  Don’t you realize it’s the Liberals/Democ-rats that are behind all this evil that’s happening??
       
      No self respecting Republican/Conservative would be associated with such a corrupt administration.  Your Messiah oBummer is an Illegal Alien as well as being a Radical Muslim Terrorist Sleeper who is now becoming awakened.
       
      This Great Nation of Ours is in the worst shape it’s ever been in and you’d have us believe the article about oBummers Un-American actions/inactions is Bull Shit?? 
       
      What kind of Fools and Idiots do you think we are, anyway??

      • Benevolent Thinker

        @Patriot 5  @Former Republican
         I appreciate your passion, sir. I also support your ideology and your voice. Please attempt as best you can from using inappropriate language when posting. We have women participating. Thank you.

        • tritanv8

          @Benevolent Thinker  @Patriot 5  @Former Republican
           Perhaps Benevolent, that is the problem.  The time for political correctness is over.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @tritanv8  @Patriot 5  @Former Republican
           Using vulgar language detracts from your argument. The author was far from politically correct and managed to avoid obscene language. If you wish to be taken seriously by your allies and your enemies your language matters. Elevate the conversation, don’t drag it into the gutter.

    • gwt305

      @Former Republican IF you think McCarthy was wrong? You are a fool. Hollywood and Washington are full of communist. The proof is sleeping in the White House tonight.

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @gwt305  @Former Did Castro sneak in?

    • SandyTrank

      @Former Republican Palin Bachmann!

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @SandyTrank  @Former Republican My Liberal friends and I also have much fun presenting  potential 2016 GOP.. nominees. Laughing is good for the soul.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Seymour Kleerly  @SandyTrank  Do you do this to tempt us and HIM? GOD’S WORD  says thou shall not tempt the LORD THY GOD. Those who do will pay. When you are harassing HIS people you are doing it to HIM. Be sure you know.

  • JoeZimmerman

    Time   to impeach  all of  the  socialist   sweep house   and  start over   ,,,,,,GOD  BLESS    AMERICA

  • knussel

    High time to Clean House,Senate and WH

    • jpcec

      @knussel Rock and Roll Partner! It’s way overdue!

    • Patriot 5

      @knussel 
      That is exactly correct and sweep them down the sewer!

  • usluv

    We need something. I appreciate being kept up to date by the various Republican sources and Fox news. …but its is really getting to me, that so little is being done. This ruling on the NLRB is a big boost. Is someone continuing with Benghazi? Sealed records? Going against the constitution.  I love this country and think its being raped. A lot of folks feel the same way. Lets get someone with some guts to demand answers for “we the people”. We voted for you guys(and gals). Don’t let us down anymore.

    • gwt305

      @usluv Time for a 10 million REAL MEN armed march on Washington!

  • npc317

    I agree with everything said.  However, I do believe his treason and crimes are going to continue.  We have a congress that does nothing.  I have come to the conclusion that the congress is part of it.  Who knows what they have been promised in the new world order.  I would like to see term limits, but I don’t believe we will ever see that.  The administration is trying hard do dismantel our constitution and he will probably susceed.  At least half of the people in this country could care less as long as the handouts continue and they will.  The legacy of the great society.  The do your own thing people, the wood stockers.  These are the people that are in charge now.

  • Patriot 5

    What is stated in the article above about being Un-American is 100% correct !  We must act and act now!  Negative thinking and actions only gives the Illegal Alien Usurper oBummer and his allies the power they are after.  They should have none as We the Patriotic Citizens are the power if we take it as we should!!
     
    Do not allow his manipulative thinking, actions and directives to dissuade your thinking and actions  as to what you/we all know is the proper and correct Patriotic American way to, Think, Perceive and Act. 
    Feeling helpless and overwhelmed is all part of his scheme and plan!  Don’t by into it!!  You know what is wright!!
     
    He is an Illegal Alien, born first a British subject by birth and then an Indonesian Citizen by adoption when his mother remarried Lolo Soetoro, and he never was and still isn’t eligible to be POTUS under Our U.S. Constitution.  He’s an Illegal Alien, Radical Muslim Sleeper and must be removed at once!!   As stated above his only allegiance is to Islam and the destruction of Our Great Nation!!  We, the Patriotic Citizens of America, won’t allow that to happen and must  ACT Immediately!!  The past election was a total Fraud with millions of fraudulent votes in numerous states!  Very probably 75% didn’t vote for him, even in swing states.  Why is he not being recalled?? ??
     
    He is a Traitor along with all those who aide and abet him and must not be followed in any way!  Per the U.S. Constitutionan, it’s the duty of every Patriotic Citizen to put down an Corrupt Government and hence the the main reason for the 2nd Amendment, and the Usurper and Admin. come up with all the fabricated crap about the need for gun control.  With 80 – 100 million very responsible gun owners we are just the opposite of the way we are portrayed!   We are the strongest fighting force in the world and our corrupt government and their allies are soon to find out we mean business!   We are through putting up with the shit we are being handed!!  
     
    As Teddy Roosevelt stated, ‘The only thing we have to Fear is Fear Itself !!  Don’t allow yourselves to be manipulated and controlled, be strong and be leaders and don’t by into the BS that is so liberally spread around especially by the media and the corrupt administration !
     
    Take this nation back, we are not the weak and down trodden and don’t allow anyone tell you otherwise!
    Ultimately, it up to us, we can’t depend on anyone else, nor should we seek their approval.  Far too many are traitors themselves!
    Patriot 5

  • Bob Higginbotham

    If we can annoy enough members of congress maybe we can get them off their duffs and take some action. I sent an e-mail to every member of my states legislature voicing my view on an upcoming gun control bill; at least some have responded. Why can’t we do the same to congress. Let’s make pests of ourselves.

    • SandyTrank

      @Bob Higginbotham You know what they say about the squeeky wheel!  :)

  • Evermyrtle

    It appears the our senate was handpicked by Obam. How did that happen that everyone of them seem to approve of his treasonous behavior?. I feel sure there must be a few Christians in there, but I don ‘t see any signs of it.

    • jstarusa

      @Evermyrtle It seems Christians have no more leverage in Washington these days. Obama has shown what he can do to any Christian or church that tries to stand up to him. It is sad to see our values trampled in the name of tolerance and political correctness. May God have mercy on us.

      • Evermyrtle

        @jstarusa You are right , we are in the last days as listed in Matthew 24:9-10, 13.
          9. Then shall they deliver you up to b afflicted, and shall kill  you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
        10.  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,and shall hate one another
         
        13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
         
        That is what we must reach for.

      • gwt305

        @jstarusa @Evermyrtle So thought Satan but God is still in controll and forever will be. Sometimes the tree of LIBERTY needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. I prefer the blood of tyrants myself. I think the time of battle is fast comming.

    • SandyTrank

      @Evermyrtle Hi evermyrtle! I don’t see any either. In fact he has put mostly muslims in charge. We have a muslim heading up Homeland Security and all the 100+ czars he has are all his lap dogs. He appoints nobody that won’t support his plan.

      • Evermyrtle

        @SandyTrank I think he had his plans made a long time ago, as he and his evil friends worked all of the details out. They had everything right in place with Satan’s leadership.

  • centermass

    There needs to be lots of arrest, trials and public executions…not hearings.

  • http://myconservativeperspective.wordpress.com RMEKRNL

    To all the people who have said about Fast & Furious and Banghazi that heads should roll and people should be fired, I say that’s not what’s necessary or warranted. Instead, there should be criminal prosecutions and prison time for criminal negligence.

  • pudbertsavannahga

    As strange as the McCarthy hearings were, we NEED them for REAL this time ! ! !

  • Donna346

    Where is Mccarthey????? This just goes to prove that there WERE COMMUNISTS in our Gov’t in 1958-NOW?????

  • LeonardW Giddens Jr

    Stop talking and start the fraud to walking.

  • Evermyrtle

    When I read all of these comments, including my own, I wonder ,”What have we done with GOD. I see no sign of HIM, HE is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD, THE CREATOR, THE LOVER OF ALL OF HIS CHILDREN AND WE FORGET ALL ABOUT HIM. WHAT IF HE RETURNED THE SAME DISINTEREST, THE IDEA MAKES ME SHUTTER
     
    PSALMS 100: 1-5
    1. MAKE A JOYFUL NOISE UNTO THE LORD, ALL YE LANDS.
    2. SERVE TH LORD WITH GLADNESS: COME BEFORE HIS PRESENCE WITH SINGING.
    3. KNOW YE THAT THE LORD HE IS GOD: IT IS HE THAT HATH MADE US, AND NOT WE OURSELVES; WE ARE HIS PEOPLE,AND THE SHEEP OF HIS PASTURE.
    4. ENTER INTO HIS GATES WITH THANKSGIVING, AND ITO HIS COURTS WITH PRAISE: BE THANKFUL UNTO HIM AND BLESS HIS NAME.
    5. FOR THE LORD IS GOOD; HIS MERCY IS EVERLASTING; AND HIS TRUTH ENDURETH TO ALL GENERATIONS.
     
     FATHER, FORGIVE US, FOR WE KNOW NOT WHAT WE DO, AMEN

    • lel2007

      @Evermyrtle
       “Where God is forgotten or even denied, there is no peace either.” ~ Pope Benedict XVI

      • SandyTrank

        @lel2007  @Evermyrtle When Christ walked the earth the war gates of Rome were never opened. We will not have peace until the Prince of Peace returns in His Glory and has put the enemy under His Feet.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @lel2007 Amen!

    • Ballistic45

      @Evermyrtle Well while we wait on the Lord, could it be he is waiting on us…  Could it be he wants more than prayer and mere talk, but action to show our faith in his support..  God allowed us this land by those who stepped out in faith to come here…  They didn’t wait for a cloud, water spout or anything else to lead them, they stepped out in faith that God would be there and bless and protect them…  Are we so arrogant to demand HE make the first move toward taking America back?  Would we deserve getting it back with such a demand of HIM? 
       
      I pray;  “God forgive us for our lack of faith to step out and protect this land you gave us.  May we see the wisdom of stepping out in faith with the knowledge you will be at our side in this battle to restore your land.. A land men can once again live in Freedom without fear of Tyranny,   a land open for any man to find you My LORD without fear… In Jesus Name Amen….”

    • Drifter007

      @Evermyrtle We have forsaken HIM.  Not all of us but the leaders have. And we must all partake in the ruin and disgrace. Happens all the time in the Old Testament..

      • SandyTrank

        @Drifter007  @Evermyrtle Those that voted for obama have become partaker of his sin. I pray all those repent and receive the Lord’s forgiveness. The people put him in office. The Lord just gave them what they wanted just like He gave Saul to Israel when they wanted to be like all the other nations.  He has given us the freedom to choose. Not enough of us said  no to obama.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Drifter007 You are right, we will pay, in fact we are paying now, look at the weather patterns and the awful diseases.

  • Ballistic45

    Going to be hard to do, BOTH Parties are in league protecting and running interference for him and his agenda..  Both parties support Elitist World Rule..  The Republican Party is the most devious of the two..  It sucks financial support from those opposing what they think are just Progressive Democrat Agendas..  When in actuality they are supporting it and the Republican Parties ability to give false hope to Conservatives of being represented in this fight…  Republicans leadership bluster and talk about their plans to defeat the Socialist agenda but you will notice they ALWAYS fold in the end..  House Leader Boehner even helped the Socialist Agenda by REMOVING REAL Conservatives from Key positions on critical committee’s…  WE are being led on while both parties shove Socialism and one world rule down out throats..  HOW else could Obama get away with so much OBVIOUS un-lawfull acts over the last 4 years?  How else could he avoid meaningful investigations? How else could administration leaders come and out and out LIE to Congressional Hearings and not be removed from office or prosecuted?  A ball player lied to Congression Hearing about drug use and he was prosecuted for pete sakes..   Remember the primary when Republican Leadership JOINED the Democrats in vilifying Ron Paul and his followers and the TEA Party as Right Wing rRadicals, for what, defending the Constitution?  How GOP Leadership stripped Ron Paul of his State Delegates in an unprecedented move to shove Mitt Romney forward as the so called Conservative Champion, a champion that Communist Multi Billionare Socialist supporter George Soros could not find much difference between,   (Obama and Mitt Romney)..  The GOP leadership did every thing they could to minimize TEA PARTY influence at their Convention…  Was Mitt Romney the fall back guy just in case Obama miraculously did loose the election?  Sure looks that way..   If you financially support the Republican Party, don’t you think it is time to RE-think that support?   Just Maybe we all should…  Maybe we should tell those who are currently in congress and have found themselves fighting Both Parties to leave the Republican Party and become Independents, Tea Party members, Constitutional Party members or Libertarian members..   Maybe we need to do likewise..  Look for the strongest Alternative Constitution abiding Party and Join it and financially Support it…  And Quit Calling ourselves conservatives, start calling ourselves Constitutionalist…  Until there is a strong third party involved, we will see NOTHING happen to bring Justice to Capital Hill…

  • ConnieStanson

    Now you know why our country is in the condition it is in. We must stop this insane behavior . People grab a hold of yourself and do the right thing. You know this has been going on for about 50 years now. first it was when I was going to school, you were kicked out of school for fighting. no matter who was a fault. I didn’t let that stop me from protecting myself. I wasn’t stupid. If someone came up to me and started pounding on me, I pounded back. but allot of kids didn’t. now as adults they are afraid to stand up for their rights. This was all planned.  Just give it some thought and you will understand where I’m coming from. But you have to make a stand now before it’s too late. If we don’t we all will be slaves. Do you really want to look like a loser to your children ?  Do you ?

  • spyderdalton

    http://youtu.be/5To0r5y93mA
    Pass this video on folks… It’s the best description of what is happening to our country I have ever heard. Congress is complicit in Obama’s treason… We must act now.

    • spyderdalton

      Make no mistake… Our press has been taken, our elections have been taken, Politicians have no accountability, and now they want our guns? Not in this lifetime!

    • Cyn Nap

      @spyderdalton Exactly the point that I have been trying to make to the people on FB and ‘comments’ on articles. He is arming our enemies – Mexican Cartels, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Libya, & Terrorists across the world and attempting to disarm Americans. This man is a Traitor. He is planning to take over America.

  • HowardPettyjohn

    How can you respect a country who’s leaders have turned against you after spending a life loving everything about it.  How can we look back at all the lives of our men and women killed protecting freedom and liberty and still show respect for those who only use them to fit into lies for their own benefit.  A total disgrace has finally bloomed and shown it;s face in a self-same public majority.  How arrogant can that be to take on the role of a world leader when you are losing the respect of not just your nation but all others as well.  Even money to buy respect is not working.  Yes, they are Un-American activities alright.  There are so many Un-American activities that we can’t even keep track of them.  Congress, get on it or get the hell out !!!!!!

    • fisherjmj

      @HowardPettyjohn Our Founding Fathers told us “the price of Freedom is eternal vigilance”, and I am afraid we have not been willing to pay that price and we are now paying a far worse price, our very freedom!
       
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • Whackajig

      @HowardPettyjohn
       Howie, if you do not respect America, there are plane and boats leaving every day.

  • KarolHancock

    From the time Obama became a US Senator he has been nothing but one lie after the other.  Wherever he was truly educated, they taught him nothing but how to  distort the truth, be deceitful, hate and destroy.  From that first day, when he took his oath into the Senate, his lies to the American people have been non-stop. His actions and words have made it abundantly clear he is a Marxist Muslim, hates America and will do anything to destroy this country.  He hates the American people so much he has built Internment Camps and all that go with them, around the country,as did Hitler. And he secretly accomplished this with the tax payers money, while borrowing from China to run the country. He wants our weapons confiscated,  so he can put us in the Internment camps to be used as slave labor for  China.  Payback to China is they take over our energy plants, oil rights and agriculture, and we are the supplied labor force to China, so they can take care of their own people.  China and the UN wants us disarmed, because 270 million armed Americans(peer Reuters) are a force to be reckoned with, when you are trying to hurt our country and people.  They believe in America, behind every blade of grass is an armed American.  Since our Congress is made up of at least 3/4′s of lawyer’s, there should be no problem with getting charges of treason drawn up against Obama and all working with him, for the American people.

    • SandyTrank

      @KarolHancock Yes, and obama protested in the street for the “palestinians” against Israel; nobody in the media ever mentions that, only how badly he treats Natanyahu. He has always hated Jews and will never be a president of this country when he hates all of our allies.

      • Evermyrtle

        @SandyTrank  @KarolHancock HIS WORD says that ll nations will turn against Israel and I think America was their last friend an now we have turned away. It will not bode well with us, I can tell the world that.

  • el deano

    Bring back Joe McCarthy? we need about 10 Joe McCarthys in the senate and 30 in the house.
    He would have walked all over fat ass Hillary  at the hearings and gotten closer to the truth.

  • Evermyrtle

    Sparkles58 come visit with us, you are missing some great comments!!

  • spyderdalton

    Great show on Hannity tonight how rich Washington is getting while America declines… Our entire Congress is complicit in Obama’s crimes and guilty of treason. They must be removed.
    John Kerry, Secretary of State? Treasonists appointed to power and not jailed? WTFU

  • KarolHancock

    I see a lot of questions about waiting on God.  There can be no waiting on HIM.  We have to show HIM now and then we will see what HE does.  God promised in 2 Chronicles 7:14 “If my people who are called by name will humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and will turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear in heave, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”  He is waiting to hear from all of us, “I am sorry and we need your help”  We have helped or let Him be pushed right out of everything, so if we want God’s help now, and we certianly do need HIS help, we are in a real pickle.  We must do the doing, He will let America fall as punishment.  We must let HIM know we love him, we are truly sorry, that Obama does not speak for us, WE ARE A GOD LOVING CHRISTIAN NATION and please help us take our country back.  I honestly do not know what else we might say, but I do know every American that truly loves our Creator, had better be on their knees, pleading with God to forgive us and help us rid this wonderful country He intrusted to us, of the satanic demons that have taken over.

    • Old GySgt

      @KarolHancock
       I am not a very good example of one who love Jesus and God. I have been praying for God’s angle to come against this man that is our presedent and his followers. I need help in this prayer, for I belive the same forces that blocked Danial’s answer is blocking ours. There is power in prayer. Thank you to the ones that will get on their prayer bones and help, for we need help now. Thank you all A Marine GySgt. too old to servie now but still a Marine.

      • Troubleshooter

        @Old GySgt  @KarolHancock @Old GySgt: Hey Gunny, I’m an old Navy 54 Gunner, Vietnam Era, and I agree with you, but I also believe that we have not been abandoned or forgotten, because my Christ promised us we would not.  Those who have come to Him are under Grace, now and forever.  Let us Praise and Thank Him for His faithfulness to us, and pray for personal revelations of those who have NOT yet come to Him, that they may know and understand the fact of what He has already done for us.  Don’t despair friend.  It’s not the Last Day yet, and although I’m not a Marine, I remember my Oath of Enlistment.  For you sir, Semper Fi, Do Or Die.

        • Old GySgt

          @Troubleshooter  @KarolHancock  @Old
           Thanks Gunner, and I shall uphold that Oath for as long as I have the breath to do so. I do not belive that the majority of elected officals understand that Oath. Nor our passion to keep it. Thank you sir for your serivce and FAIR WINDS TO YOU.
          BT.

      • toosmarttovoteGOP

        @Old GySgt  @KarolHancock 
         
        You’re right. You’re not a very good example of one who loves Jesus and God.

        • Old GySgt

          @toosmarttovoteGOP  @KarolHancock
           Why Thank you sir mignt I sugest you look to the beam in your eye before comenting on the splinter in mine!
           
          BT.

        • Whackajig

          @toosmarttovoteGOP  @Old GySgt  @KarolHancock
           Seems to me it was the food stamp party, not the GOP who insisted that God be removed from the party platform.

      • KarolHancock

        @Old GySgt
         I have a lot of trouble praying for Obama and those with him.  I have to ask God to help me with that constantly.  But I have found that in 2 Chronicles 7:14 “if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”  This helps me a lot because I know God hears me and He always reminds me this is satan we are dealing with and I need to pray for my great country.  You are a great example for all of us by admitting you have a problem.  Just ask God to help you with this. And yes, we are dealing with the same evil demons here that Germany dealt with when Hitler came along.  I believe God is with us, many many have been on their knees to Him for days now and He has heard those prayers.  That is all He wants from us, be His people, love and obey Him.  You are doing exactly what He expects.  God bless you!  I will keep you in my prayers.

  • metheoldsarge

    If old Joe McCarthy were still alive he would b e saying “I TOLD YOU SO!”

    • har82

      @metheoldsarge 
      Yup, and he would be having a hayday rooting out all the communists sitting in Congress right now .

      • toosmarttovoteGOP

        @har82  @metheoldsarge 
         
        So, are the fascists and oligarchs running the party of Greed Over Principle given a pass? At least those are real.

        • Benevolent Thinker

          @toosmarttovoteGOP  @har82  @metheoldsarge
           To which principle’s are you referring? Are you implying that Republicans are responsible for running the country without a budget for 3+ years? Adding almost 7 trillion dollars to the debt? Abandoning our laws? Selling American companies to the Chinese? Arming Islamists? Turning on Israel? Killling 500K babies? What specifically are you referring to?

    • icetrout

      @metheoldsarge TRUE THAT!

    • violator1

      @metheoldsarge Yes Sir you are correct and he was before his time like many profits and even Jesus Christ which the people (governing) class did not believe him before he died on the cross for us!

  • remartantiques

    Obama is an un-American activity, IMHO.

  • har82

    Hang the SOB and let’s get it over with. And then start hearing on the entire Congress to who is next on the gallows.
    Treason is still a – hanging – offense .

    • fisherjmj

      @har82 I do believe that legally to be tried and convicted for treason, one actually has to be an American citizen, which IT is not!
       
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

      • toosmarttovoteGOP

        @fisherjmj  @har82 
         
        That is somewhere between appalling and obscene. No one who genuinely believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus would say something so reprehensible. Are you trying to prove that old saw about Catholics not being REAL Christians? I thought that had been laid to rest decades ago. This is the kind of dreck that gives Catholics and Christians a bad name.
         
        May God bless you sir, for the last person I dealt with in such dire need of His grace was begging on a freeway offramp this afternoon.

        • violator1

          @toosmarttovoteGOP @fisherjmj @har82 Yes and if you were dumb enough to give that panhandler money you paid for his gas in his New Cadilac or you helped to buy him some good booze or nice new clothes that he keeps in his room at the Holiday Inn! His Caddy was parked in walking distance of the ramp you helped him on! Nice gesture from a Demonscag progressive communist though

      • icetrout

        @fisherjmj  @har82 Good,than we can just use a firing squad to get rid of the spy…

  • fisherjmj

    As a former personal representative of the late Congressman Clyde Doyle who, when he “died” was the Ranking Member of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, I could not agree with the title of this article more!
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • Troubleshooter

      @fisherjmj @fisherjmj: If you have true concern for this nation, renounce your Catholic ties to a Pope who advocates Global Government and violation of the sovereignty of the People Of The United States Of America.  Otherwise, you are a charlatan.

      • agbjr

        @Troubleshooter  @fisherjmj  That is a frankly bigoted comment.

        • boone1

          @agbjr  @Troubleshooter  @fisherjmj
           no it is not you are the bigot.You best get renounce your catholic faith now or be ready to take the mark of the beast and that is 666.I have told you and i will not tell you again. BLESSED  BE THE NAME OF GOD

        • agbjr

          @boone1  @Troubleshooter  @fisherjmjPlease advise how I may follow your directions to “renounce  your catholic faith” when I am an ordained Presbyterian Elder? Or are you demanding I renounce my faith in the universal church aka Christianity? By your use of the lower case ‘c’ in spelling ‘catholic’ you are referring to the Greek root word for universal. The upper case ‘C’ is used for a proper noun as in Roman Catholic Church. Your lack of proper usage betrays ignorance which can be rectified through education. Sadly your stubborn bigotry seems inbred and therefore hopelessly incurable.

      • fisherjmj

        @Troubleshooter Tell that to the Sullivan Brothers, to O’Hare who O’hare airport is name after, or to George Washington’s Chief of Staff, and many, far too many other Catholics who lost their lives fighting for Freedom including my late father Chief Petty Officer Paul Fisher, USN 30 years, or to his Cousin who was one of the first killed by Kamikazees.
         
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
        Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

        • boone1

          @fisherjmj  @Troubleshooter
           When CHRIST COMES BACK TO EARTH  HE WILL DESTARY THE  Roman Catholic  CHURCH because it is a false religion like islam.Your catholic bible is a false bible.Like your sorry pope.

        • icetrout

          @boone1 you need to lay off the heroin…

      • icetrout

        @Troubleshooter Shill, you kinds days are #’ed!

      • violator1

        @Troubleshooter @fisherjmj George H Bush, Bill Clinton, and obama are your lovers of the New World Order so why did you idiots vote for that fool was it because he gives you free phones and free deadly birth control and free food (EBT Card)?

    • Whackajig

      @fisherjmj
       Does the catholic Church have a special program to train the priests to booger little boys?

  • mjsmart

    What we need is for the patriotic generals,admirals,colonels, and military that have been forced to “retire” or have been framed and/or dishonored by these traitors to organize and lead us in marching against DC. We’re not far from the situation anticipated by the Founders in crafting the 2nd Amendment.

    • icetrout

      @mjsmart Just love to here what those Patriots in the military are planning to do with these traitors… :)

  • Jackolyn

    This tyranny has to be stopped. This constant flagrant attack of the Constitutional rights of the American people cannot stand.

  • AndrewMorning

    Just what we need,….the return of McCarthyism

    • Troubleshooter

      @AndrewMorning @AndrewMorning:  I would rather have Mccarthyism than what we have now, which is Legislative impotence and indifference to the absolutely illegal actions coming from this Administration.

      • AndrewMorning

        @Troubleshooter  @AndrewMorning who gets to decide what is Un-American?

        • agbjr

          @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter If is in opposition to the Constitution and enumerated freedoms of the Bill of Rights it IS un-American. If it undermines the cherished values upon which the very foundation of OUR Republic rests it IS un-American.

        • Troubleshooter

          @AndrewMorning @AndrewMorning:  That has been clarified, but is easily identified and reinforced:  Anyone who tries to suborn or ignore the Constitution Of The United States, The Supreme Law Of The Land is Un-American.  SCOTUS has no legal leeway for activism here.  This is set in concrete.  Now, ask yourself honestly, if you have the capacity to do so, Is Our Government, insofar as This Administration is concerned, abiding by the U.S. Constitution.  This should be perceived as a rhetorical question, because anyone who has read the Constitution and understands how our Government was designed to function Must say “NO” to this question.  That question and answer in itself identifies quickly who the Un-Americans are.

        • toosmarttovoteGOP

          @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter 
           
          FRWNJs.

        • toosmarttovoteGOP

          @agbjr  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           
           Like the PATRIOT Act?

        • agbjr

          @toosmarttovoteGOP  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter  Yes, even the Patriot Act or parts thereof.

        • EddieW

          @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter over 80 members of the house and Senate are avowed Communists…that would be a good place to start….they are un and anti American!!

        • boone1

          @toosmarttovoteGOP  @agbjr  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           The patriot act is another thing against the U.S.CONSTITUTION when the hell are you people going to wake up the DHS IS AGAINST the  U.S.CONSTITUTION.Bush did all of this with out conrgess approval even he went against the constitutions BUSH AND obama are alike.You all need to get  up to date on the U.S CONSTITUTION .No president can sign nothing into law with out a vote in congress and the senate.

        • agbjr

          @boone1  @toosmarttovoteGOP  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter As I said, the Patriot Act and parts thereof are also subject to Constitutional review. Why must you rant? It is obvious you have no affection for any recent president but – still – why must you rant?

        • boone1

          @EddieW  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           There is no more time for talk,talk is cheap now is the time for all out revotution you eighter wake the hell up or become slaves to this muslim and his communist.What will it be freedom or slavery it’s up to you.Iwill die before i become a slave to anyman.GOD did not make slaves man did.GOD is against slavery in any form GOD IS PURE LOVE slavery is pure hate and EVIL YOU think about that.The fore fathers of this great country gave we the people a CONSTITUTION to live by and it seems like this government does’t not want to live by that CONSTITUTION or even go by the CONSTITUTION.So this gives us we the people the right to overthrow this communist government by way of revotution and civil war.

        • boone1

          @agbjr  @toosmarttovoteGOP  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           BECAUSE JERK OFFS LIKE YOU PEOPLE NO NOTHING ABOUT THE U.S. COUNSTITUTION and the BILL of RIGHTS and never fought in a war like i have so stick up you butt you jurk.

        • icetrout

          @AndrewMorning You  sound like  a subversive to me…DNC Shill  …

        • fisherjmj

          @boone1  @agbjr  @toosmarttovoteGOP  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter boone1, you really belittle your arguments when you resort to vulgar, obscene language and I have personally dealt with many of the Demoncrats we are talking about here.  Believe me, I feel the same way about many posters here, but diplomacy always trumps vulgar and obscene language.
           
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
          Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

        • Whackajig

          @boone1  @EddieW  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           No talk?  Well then, tell us how many corrupt politicians you have shot this past week?

        • Whackajig

          @fisherjmj  @boone1  @agbjr  @toosmarttovoteGOP  @AndrewMorning  @Troubleshooter
           Hey Padre, how is that diplomacy gig working with the muslims who wish to kill us?  Perhaps you refer to ovomit when he told the ruskys that after the election he would have more leeway?

        • Evermyrtle

          @icetrout  @AndrewMorning Have you fought in a war, just served time in a branch of the Armed Forces or none of the above.

      • icetrout

        @Troubleshooter  @AndrewMorning Good man! Joe McCarthy was a “TRUE AMERICAN”!

      • icetrout

        Troubleshooter I’m a Roman but don’t believe the pope or his satin worshiping cohorts in Rome…Be like saying all Episcopals were queer,or all Baptist were scumbags like Jim & Tammy Bakker…Need to bull your head out of your but & get some fresh air… we need to stand together…communist are our enemy’s & their winning…

    • EddieW

      @AndrewMorning Absolutely!!!

    • fatman45

      @AndrewMorning McCarthy, it turns out, was absolutely correct. Unfortunately he came along too late; the Communists had already infiltrated the media too deeply.

    • icetrout

      @AndrewMorning God Bless “Tail Gunner”Joe McCarthy he was RIGHT ALL ALONG ABOUT THE COMMUNIST INFILTRATORS !!!

      • fisherjmj

        @icetrout  @AndrewMorning Oh but according to troubleshooter, “Tail Gunner” Joe McCarthy was a “charlatan”, you see he was a Roman Catholic!
         
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
        Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

        • icetrout

          @fisherjmj  @AndrewMorning Godless Communist could never stand a God-fearing Christian let along a Catholic… reason they murdered JFK  in cold blood along with his brother!!! & we got saddled with the Evil Kennedy ,may he burn in hell…

      • violator1

        @icetrout @AndrewMorning McCarthy was like Ron Paul in many ways and no one would listen to him either! Joe would be in his hayday were he in Congress today! It is too bad that America did not listen to him!!!

        • Whackajig

          @violator1  @icetrout  @AndrewMorning
           McCarthy was correct and Ron Paul has some good ideas, but he is as looney as a bat.  People did, infact, listen to RP the lunatic and that is why he was defeated.

    • CarlStevenson

      @AndrewMorning Yes. We do! McCarthy was successfully vilified by the leftists and the truth has been largely replaced by leftist revisionism of history through the media and “public schools’” indoctrination program.
      McCarthy was proved right by rcently declassified documents (“The Venona Project”.
      Alger Hiss and all of the others he outed were proved to be paid soviet agents in our government.
      Today, Obama has many communists and Islamic radicals in high-level positions in his cabinet and agencies.
      Obama and his minions are traitors and should be tried and punished accordingly.

  • Old GySgt

    I do feel one thing very very strong, we must do nothing tthat will allow him (our president) to declare Martial Law. That will open a can of worms most are not prepaired for. If we do it should only be after we are prepaired.

    • icetrout

      @Old GySgt Obama doesn’t have the nads to declare Martial Law… it would backfire on him…

      • boone1

        @icetrout  @Old GySgt
         Get your head out of your butt old man and wake the hell up this muslim will do anything that he wants and there is nothing that the AMERICA people will do because most like congress have no balls to do or defend this onces i say onces great country.Let me put it another way most america are chicken shit .

      • violator1

        @icetrout @Old GySgt Do not bet your life on that! Why do you think he is putting in military leaders that answer his question positively!Question”if ordered to can you fire on American Citizens?”!

        • icetrout

          @violator1  @icetrout  @Old So what your saying is that there are no Patriots in Obama’s Military willing to stand for their Country & its Constitution ? Their all just a bunch of commie loving scum?

        • Drifter007

          @icetrout  @violator1  I belive that the military is made up good patriotic people. And they are our last bulwark againist “that man”. 
          It would appear to me that “that man” is trying to destroy the military from within. Look at whats already happened. Both of the Generals who were going to send assistance to Beghazi  (sp) were replaced by 2nd in command within seconds. Those Generals are now flying a desk. West Point has removed some religious training. It’s little stuff but added together. If “that man” can destroy the moral underpinnings of the Military so he can then unleash them on the citizens to control them. Am I nuts-maybe? but look at the big picture-you will see it too

  • toosmarttovoteGOP

    We Need Hearings on Un-American Activities, Now! Starting with ANY elected official with an “R” after their name1

    • EddieW

      Boy! Do we ever   over 80 avowed Communist in the House & Senate!! Obama using the Communist Unions!!  He is in default of the Law & the Constitution, and giving money and supplies to listed and known terrorist orginizations, including Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt…He violates laws as though he is far, far above him, and they have no bearing to him…Truly….he needs to be taken down by our own military…or what’s left of it!!

      • SandyTrank

        @EddieW Don’t forget muslim

    • icetrout

      @toosmarttovoteGOP Ah-& the one’s with the “D’s” after their names we can just hang right away… that OK with you toodumbnottovotecommie… ?

    • violator1

      @toosmarttovoteGOP Listen up Demomoron it is not those with the R after their names that have been pronounced mentally ill as has you bunch of Demomoron Liberal progressive homosexual communist socialist facist pigs! In other words make an appointment with your shrink I feel sure that you are getting enough free handouts from your homosexual leader and his muslim demonic satan worshipping murdering swine dog eating piece of shit leader!

    • Whackajig

      @toosmarttovoteGOP
       If you believe the GOP is worse than the liberweenies, then you truly are more stupid than the average idiot.

    • SandyTrank

      @toosmarttovoteGOP As well as the Democrats. We have traitors on both sides!

  • debdrs

    I still ask one simple question.  WHO told the CIA people to STAND DOWN
    WHO told our military to STAND DOWN
    WHO told the Marines, the Air Force, the Army WHO told our forces to STAND DOWN to not go in and help the innocent that were being murdered while someone watched from adrone
     
    FIRE them obomination, hill and biden  
     
     then WHY needs to be explored

    • fattypatty

      @debdrs Patreus stated that it had to come from the president and no one else. He stated that the way it is set up, the president watched it live and gave the orders ‘stand down’ on three occasions. Then the president missed the security meeting the next day, and I figure thar’s why Petraeus was set up and fired.

  • http://EdenPoliticalCartoons.com/ EdenFiles

    Don’t know that we need some new oversite committee— We need some new kind of patriot!  Some brave, wise, resolute men & women– in congress, SCOTUS, media, entertainment, education, the private sector– who will stand up, speak up & put their necks on the line when justice & liberty are under siege.  http://edenpoliticalcartoons.com/?p=1775

    • Whackajig

      @EdenFiles
       Lance Armstrong has a single nut, and that is one more than our so called leaders have.

  • maryatlanta

    Thank you for articulating what others will not. Obama is the threat to our nation. We must deal with it. Congress won’t.

    • Whackajig

      @maryatlanta
       Yeah, right Mary, but how will you do it?  ovomit is the threat, so it is necessary to have him gone, but what method will you use to remove him?
       
      I suspect that like most on this board, that when you said “We must deal with it”, that you didn’t really mean “we”, you meant someone must deal with it.

  • Normal_Guy

    Yesterday, I saw republican senators that appeared unprepared to challenge Hillary with aggressive questions, or even respond to her feigned indignation. For example, when she asked, “What difference does it make…?” Senator Johnson could have said: “The difference is in being forthright and honest with the American people, as opposed to fabricating a cover story and stalling to protect a presidential campaign. The American people deserve to hear the truth.” Instead he said, “Thank you, Madame Secretary.” Also, if Rand Paul is going to launch a question about gun-running via Turkey, he should have some evidence to counter an easily anticipated denial or claim of ignorance. McCain asked so many questions, Hillary didn’t even have to answer.

    • Whackajig

      @Normal_Guy
       You are completely incorrect about hitlery not having to answer the questions.  If not given in direct testimony, she must submit her answers in writing to the person who posed the question.

      • Normal_Guy

        @Whackajig I think we both know this “inquiry” is over, and the truth will not likely be revealed until much later, if at all…

      • SandyTrank

        @Whackajig  @Normal_Guy My money is on the Rep from Florida!

      • jstarusa

        @Whackajig  @Normal_Guy Wanna bet?

    • WadeLeeHurdleSr

      @Normal_Guy The Republican Party better get off their A$$ and do something soon  .

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @Normal_Guy What do you think of a Third Party?

        • Normal_Guy

          @Seymour Kleerly @WadeLeeHurdleSr @Normal_Guy I think it’s risky dividing our opposition to the organized left. Better we work through the Tea Party to reconfigure the Republican Party.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Normal_Guy  @Seymour  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @Normal_Guy It would be nice but it can’t happen. The die (dye?) has been cast. What ever happens, I hope the extremes of both sides take a hit.

  • sudsy

    I see that a rare opportunity has arisen- A Fed Court has ruled that last years appointments by Obama were Illegal! They were not in recess! so He had no right to make those appointments!Maybe someone in Washington has finally woke up and seeing what is going on and will start to bring some restraints upon 
    obama!

    • jstarusa

      @sudsy Right, and how many times have they thought they had Obama caught on something and actually won? If it goes to the high court, guess what? If he doesnt win this I will be astonished. They need to get him on as many fronts as possible and tie him down to defending his every action. Might not stop him, but at least rattle his cage a little.

  • http://myconservativeperspective.wordpress.com RMEKRNL

    Scientists, get busy and find a way to bring McCarthy back.

    • Seymour Kleerly

      @RMEKRNL To late! They’re all working on the not so “secret project” of bringing back John Wilkes Boothe, according to my inside sources in the Tea Party.

      • Whackajig

        @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL
         Seeless, you have no idea how many people in the US would love to see ovomit’s head explode like hitting a watermelon with a baseball bat.  Teeth, hair, and eyes flying in every direction.  I hope it is recorded for frequent viewing. Understand, Mr Secret service man, I am not making a threat, only explaining my dream.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL If your are associated with The Tea Party, that explains what happened to them during 2012. THEY BLEW IT.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL THE ABOVE COMMENT WAS MEANT FOR SEELESS kLEERY. Whackajig got it right

        • Whackajig

          @Evermyrtle  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL
           I agree100% with the ideals of the Tea Party, howver, I am not a member of any of their groups.

        • MarcusAntonius

          @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL
           The Tea Party unfortunately was userped by the Republicans in 2010 and after.

        • VnVet56

          @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
           
          You apparently have not been paying attention. The Tea Party and ‘Establishment GOP” have been in a pitched battle for Control since 2010. Why do you certain Tea Party backed candidates got no support from GOP? But with members such as Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Jason Chaffetz and many more the fight is far from over.
           
          If there are those of you out there that agree with the principles of the Tea Party, (namely Constitutional governance, small central government and fiscal responsibility) sitting on the sidelines I say to you “Time to get in the game”. With support the Tea Party can beat back the old GOP and revitalize Conservatism (which is not to be confused with Republican).

        • MarcusAntonius

          @VnVet56  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL
           I was in the Tea Party from day one hear in Tidewater, Virginia and yes they took over the local Rep Party and now have 11 of the districts and expect more with Cuccinelli nomination expected, But I am a Libertarian and not a Conservative and so when people who have always been Republicans take over from Republicans by pushing them out I don’t see a very big change.
          I am no longer in the Tea Party.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Whackajig  @RMEKRNL Don’t worry. I’ve seen many explicit threats on Obama’s life on these Far Right sites and evidently it’s OK.! America is changing for sure.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @RMEKRNL Sorry. I got tired of saying Far Right and substituted Tea Party without (too much) thinking. I think you need a third party for any chance of success.

        • VnVet56

          @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
           
          In my political philosophy Conservative and Republican are not the same thing. I consider myself a Conservative Libertarian and the candidates I support are those that espouse fiscal responsibility and Constitutional governance; party affiliation is irrelevant. I am of the mind that Republicans that are actually Moderate-Progressives need to go.

        • VnVet56

          @Seymour Kleerly  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @RMEKRNL 
           
          Accepted, I am possibly over-sensitive due to being labelled a Racist (I am bi-racial), homophobic (I have a Sister, an Uncle and two cousins that are gay) xenophobe (I married a second generation immigrant) over the past 3 years and 10 months.
           
          I would love a third party option, unfortunately there are still far too many ill-informed voters that only party, regardless of policies, attitudes and opinions….see 2008 and 2012 for evidence.

        • Evermyrtle

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
           
          The best way that I can out what I feel is I am neither a staunch Republican and certainly not a Democrat. I take all my beliefs from GOD’S WORD and if that doesn’t fit any body else’s standards. That is how it is, in a nutshell.

        • SandyTrank

          @Evermyrtle  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL Hey evermyrtle! I think the Tea Party got infiltrated and misrepresented. I agree with our Constitution as they do and good moral living but the “world” will never agree and call it “extreme.”

        • SandyTrank

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL Yes! And the GOP didn’t totally align with it because they are a part of the establishment and have bowed, the Tea Party didn’t but couldn’t seem to clear the air either. The GOP back their own who will “play” the same game. I love what Rand Paul is doing but he will end up being marginalized just like Michelle Bachmann, who I would have voted for had she been the candidate.She would have taken it to obama for sure and gotten away with it because she’s a womean!

        • SandyTrank

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL Opps! WOMAN

        • VnVet56

          @SandyTrank  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
           
          That’s why we are trying to send him help, to keep the Liberal-progressive machine from destroying him. Remember, the Republicans were not accepted as mainstream, but they did replace the Whig’s. Perhaps if more people will stand o n principle instead of compromising their values the Tea Party may some day replace Republicans.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL i believe if Rand Paul had been on the Republican candidate he would have won.

        • VnVet56

          @Evermyrtle  @SandyTrank  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
           
          He has not ruled out a run in 2016

        • SandyTrank

          @Evermyrtle  @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL No he wouldn’t have, I don’t think because of his policies, although I agreed with some of them, but his stance on Israel is one thing that stopped me from supporting him. Any leader who is not a staunch supporter of Israel is one most Christians would not be able to get past and that was my problem. I cannot vote for anyone who supports abortion or not supporting Israel.

        • http://myconservativeperspective.wordpress.com RMEKRNL

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @Seymour Kleerly I agree. I am a registered Republican but now consider myself  more of a Fiscal Conservative Constitutionalist, so we’re probably pretty close to agreeing on most important issues.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @Evermyrtle  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL  You are right, it not what it used to b, but it is still the best we have, still I will stick to my BIBLE.as first source of locality.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @RMEKRNL Let this be a lesson to us all that painting with a broad brush is usually wrong. Glad you’re not a Racist, and I like some Tea Party ideas. I really respect Ron Paul and agree with him on most things. It will be an amazing few years for the GOP. for sure.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @Evermyrtle  @VnVet56  @MarcusAntonius  @Whackajig  @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL There is no one who is eligible that I would go wholy along with. The one I wish we could have gotten to run was Jim DeMint. If I searched carefully I am sure there is something about what he believes that I would not have agreed on.But basically I would have trusted him to d the right thing, always. Of course I could be wrong, since I usually am about some point or the other. I agree on the Jews and abortion 100%.

      • VnVet56

        @Seymour Kleerly  @RMEKRNL 
         
        As a co-founder of a Tea Party group in my area I resent your implication. The Tea Party groups, and 9-12 project groups of which I am associated (6 in four different States) do not condone violence or violent rhetoric.
         
        I seriously doubt the validity of your “inside sources”.

        • Cyn Nap

          @VnVet56 @Seymour Kleerly @RMEKRNL: You can always tell a liberal news media junkie. They make as much sense as the Liberal Media. Fact: Never in American have so many people come together in one place for peaceful protests like the Tea Party has. – NEVER. No Mobs, No Looting, No Destroying Propery – Can ‘libs’ say the same? Tea Party members even clean up after a protest.
          …and for the record, my parents belong to the ‘Tea Party’. The best citizens group America has had in a Long Time.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Cyn Nap  @VnVet56  @Seymour The Tea Partyers seem like fine citizens to me. Their puppeteers; Koch Bros. and other zillionaires along with Fox News as their Public Relations dept. have created a powerful “grassroots” movement.

        • VnVet56

          @Cyn Nap  @VnVet56  @Seymour 
           
          On our March on DC we were told by a Capitol Hill Police Lt. that we were the most polite protest group he had encountered in his 18 years on the force. Instructions to our membership included 1) bring your signs, 2) bring your smiles, no agitating and 3) bring a trash bag to carry out your litter.

        • VnVet56

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Cyn Nap 
           
          Liberal-Progressive mantra. Here are facts from my perspective;
           
          -My Central New York group has received $0.00 from non-local member sources.
          -The two groups I know in Central and Southern Illinois have received $0.00 from non-local member sources.
          -The group I associate with in Maryland has received $0.00 from non-local member sources.
          -The group I associate with in Florida has received $0.00 from non-local member sources.
           
          The monthly paper my NY group and the one group in Illinois puts out is financed by members. The Koch Brothers did donate to Tea Party National, and money was made available but most of us deferred and allowed the money to finance the Tea Party Express. The Tea Party is much more of a “grass roots” movement than OWS ever was.

        • SandyTrank

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Cyn Nap  @VnVet56 Maybe but you gotta remember Fox News is half owned by a rich muslim. No total truth will come from there either.

        • VnVet56

          @SandyTrank  @Seymour Kleerly  @Cyn Nap 
           
          That’s why I don’t watch much Fox News. I like the news shows, ‘Happening Now’ and “America Live”. But them I rely on many different sources to verify all that I hear. I never believe any news outlet unless I can verify through at least 2 other sources.

        • jstarusa

          @Seymour Kleerly  @Cyn Nap  @VnVet56 If they have, it doesn’t seem to be working at all. The Obaminites rule! They have every move covered. Its disgusting to say the least….

        • SandyTrank

          @VnVet56  @Seymour Kleerly  @Cyn Nap Me too. I get much of my info from other sources and most times I know a day or two before Fox reports it.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @SandyTrank  @Cyn Nap  @VnVet56 They are the Public Relations and Propaganda department of the FREE MARKET Capitalists!. That model allows not just a more vibrant economy, but profits to supercede     the protection of the environment, growing income gap, and the general good of the country. Don’t contribute to Capitalism on Steroids!

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @VnVet56  @SandyTrank  @Cyn Nap No major station intentionaly give false news.  It’s the amount of priority they place on each story such as Benghazi. The expert “Fair and Balanced ” analysis then emphatically closes the deal.  They distort, you believe, they get Richer!. What a country!

  • ErikOsbun

    Definitely needed.

  • livefyre8158

    The need for hearings was replaced years ago by cumulative, empirical evidence.  
    Conclusive evidence of treason, committed by the POTUS occupant, and a large group of presidential appointees, and by numerous elected congressional “congress persons,” has obtained the volume of a haystack.  
    The genuine Americans in Congress need only to lock together and file charges that require the immediate incarceration of “Barrack H. Obama,” J. Biden, the DOJ chief Holder,  and appoint replacements for all with Americans who uphold the US Constitution.

  • Hermie

    As I read down through the list of 230 comments it is comforting to see that an awful lot of you are on the right track.
    It looks like more and more of you are starting to realize that we are not just fighting against Democrats or Republicans.  We are fighting against the devil, who is using some Democrats and some Republicans as tools to help inject the moslem religion into a one time Christian nation.   As strong and as loyal as we United States Citizens are, I think are starting to realize that this is one war we’re not going to be able to win without Gods help. The devil has wedged his way into our political system.  When president Obama stood at the podium in front of that golden curtain after his first election  and stated that this was no longer a Christian nation and that he was happy to see more building permits being issued in the United States for mosques to be built  then churches, and that the most beautiful sound to his ears was the call to prayer from the moslem prayer  towers, I will thought oh boy we got a problem coming. Sure enough  it has gone downhill from that time, until now.  None of us are strong enough or smart enough to defeat the devil without God’s help.  Let’s all get together and start praying for God’s will, and help, because we are sure going to need it.  I am talking about the Triune God, The Creator God  JESUS!!!   He has helped us before, and he will help us again.

  • Cyn Nap

    Is AnyBody Listening!! Everyone on Capital Hill who has voted for or introduced legislation against our Constitution and/or their oath of offices should have immediately been impeached. That would clear out the White House and at least three-fourths of Congress.

    • JoeZimmerman

      @Cyn Nap
       OFF   WITH THEIR  HEADS

  • LibsLie

    Liberals are destroying this country.  They have been trying for years but with the election of the Commie in 2008, they now have in place almost the Perfect Storm.  If they can divide and annihilate the Repubs (the Repubs are doing a good job of this on their own), there is no stopping them.  The courts are populated with libs, federal and state agencies are poulated with libs, and our ‘educators’ are libs.  I’m afraid the tipping point has moved in their direction and will continue to do so for the rest of my lifetime.  As Rush states, at some point in time the utopian society desired by libs will self-destruct but the cost to this ONCE GREAT NATION will be devastating.  Our children no longer know what it means to be an American.  Liberals expouse the ‘counter culture’ – all traditions are null and void and are to be replaced with whatever is 180 degrees different.  Indeed, the country we now live in is increasing upside down.  Values that were once cherished and praised are now viewed with disdain. I’m sad and feel that America is lost.

  • pvanwhy

    The administration has bought this country with entitlements and giveaways.One day the buble will burst and there will be no more but by this time the country will be under martial law and disarmed. I am glad I have lived my 74 years in a very free country and truly fear for the younger people.

    • SandyTrank

      @pvanwhy Agenda 21 is well on the way now.

  • RobertLatta

    We need hearings on allowing the propaganda arm of Islamic Jihad, Al Jazeera, to operate in the USA. It would be like allowing a news company owned by Hitler to operate in the USA during WW2.

    • FrozenStar

      @RobertLatta WWII had a guy who was helped by Jews to remove guns from their ilk, and it is true they did it to their own.  Now, the INGRATES here are boldly trying to take AMERICANS’ GUNS away from AMERICANS.  Where the H*LL did these people come from?  My opinion is they came straight from H*ll.  Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Lieberman, Bloomberg, et al… yeah I know you think Lieberman is out but he has his mouthpiece blabbing for him.  You KNOW who she is.  We have been betrayed by the descendants of those our young soldiers gave their lives to save.  Robert, as things are now, many of us Christians are very wary of those distracting us from the facts of actions by Jews in our country by popping Arabs in front and into the conversation every chance they can.  You are likely a jew or a Reverend Hagel follower, a guy who has Netanyahu pirouetting across the stage and passing the beanie for the congregation to fill while Hagel pounds the Arabs.  Our country wants a peaceful world with neighbors helping each other, and it isn’t easy to accomplish that but it CAN be done with some sacrifice and kindness and good deeds… and first step is to get the COMMIES out of our government.

      • CarlStevenson

        @FrozenStar @RobertLatta Don’t judge all Jews by the JINOs. They are tyrant wannabes.
        Obama’s patron George Soros was born a Jew. His parents gave him to a non-Jew to protect him from the Holocaust, just before they were hauled off to the camps.
        George was about 12 at the time, as I recall.
        George willingly went around showing the Nazis where the Jews lived so their property could be stolen and they could be shipped off to the camps.
        There are evil people of all heritages, ethnicities, and religions.
        Feinstein is evil, not because of her name or because she pretends to be a Jew, but because of her behavior.
        There are plenty of Jews who have no use for the JINOS and their colleagues in crime. See jpfo.org and, specifically http://jpfo.org/images02/handbillpoliticians-large.jpg to see for yourself how many Jews feel about Feinstein and the others who seek to disarm us so they can control us.

      • icetrout

        @FrozenStar  @RobertLatta Why aren’t the Good American Jews ripping these scum traitors Jewnos apart limb from limb… so soon they forget the Holocaust…shame on all of them…

        • FrozenStar

          @icetrout  @RobertLatta Jews forget the Holocaust?  No way.  They have museums and don’t they charge us entrance fees?  clink clink.

    • SandyTrank

      @RobertLatta Amen to that!! I have already informed all my friends of the websites of Time Warner Cable to thank them for Refusing and Comcast, Direct TV of which I subscribe and I have already emailed them twice regarding the matter. This is serious folks! We can’t allow this.There are many things coming at us at a time so don’t get too focused on one issue and act! Call Write, inform all your friends and family. We gotta do this or we lose the skirmish and won’t win the battle!

      • FrozenStar

        @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta How about demanding equal religious representation in our main stream media companies and equal by MEMBERSHIP.  Maybe all our news organizations with tv into our homes would not be JEWISH and we could have some CHRISTIAN prime time viewing.  How about THAT, or are you working like Israel not wanting your neighbors to have any voice like Israel keeps squatting on their land?  Tell it like it is, we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH here, which means we demand TRUTH and we haven’t had it for quite a while thanks to the JEWISH control of our news organizations.  Better know we are not falling for the same ol’ strategies.  Please Please Please realize what you are doing.  DANGER.

        • FrozenStar

          @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta clarifying…. and equal by RELIGIOUS membership.

        • SandyTrank

          @FrozenStar  @RobertLatta We do know now where you come from. It’s not Jews we need to fear and if you were a Bible believing Christian you would love the Jews. Jesus is Jewish. In fact all the land that the Lord God gave to Israel actually belongs to HIM and He will take care of that when He comes and then you will see who the usurpers and occupiers are. The “palestinians” of which are no such people are Arabs, Egyptians,Syrians and all the others that were not allowed back into their OWN countries after the war in 1948. It’s a historical fact. It’s those who have not been taught history in school that don’t know that or those who don’t do research of history. We DO have a totally Christian station available to us now and the News is brought to us Monday thru Friday at 9:30am and 7:30 pm over SBNTV.COM It is totally viewer supported with NO commercials.

        • SandyTrank

          @FrozenStar  @RobertLatta WE don’t need “religious” we need Christian. Christianity is NOT a religion, it is a Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father.

        • FrozenStar

          @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta Oh you DO, do you?  Well, “WE” I guess that is a clue as to who YOU are.  Jesus was right when he took the whip to the Jewish butts in the Temple because they were doing evil.  God came to us as a Jew because they were and still are by their rejection of God and Jesus, the most endangered of all humanity.  Jesus didn’t come to us as a Jew because they were cuter or better or that he loved them more than any of his other children.  He came through the Jews as a plan since Satan dinged Eve in the garden.  Satan did a lot of different impacts on Eve’s seeds that translated into all the different strengths and weaknesses of all the peoples on earth.  God TOLD us he “saved” a seed for himself, which was passed from female to female through generations to MARY.  God is a respecter of FREEDOM big time.  He even ASKED Mary if she would give birth to Jesus.  WHY did God “save” a seed of Eve’s???  Doesn’t that tell you all Eve’s seeds were dinged by Satan except the one he “saved or protected” which was going to become Jesus the Messiah?  Certainly we all have different strengths and weaknesses that are common in our races.  God called Jews a stiff-necked PEOPLE.  Do you argue with that?  God pleaded with them that He would gather them under his wing as a mother hen does her chicks (TO PROTECT THEM) but YE WOULD NOT, YE WOULD NOT.  God created Adam and brought Eve out of Adam’s flesh and blood, both perfect in mind and body.  God didn’t create blindness, crippled bodies, mental problems.  We are damaged goods by Satan.  That’s why God sent his only BEGOTTEN Son to open the way for us to escape Satan’s clutches.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @FrozenStar  @RobertLatta  I am with you, Religious is a word with little meaning.

        • FrozenStar

          @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta (first part toooo long so separated here).   God setup the HOLY LAND and gave it to the Jews, NOT to the ZIONISTS.  Who are the Jews?  All who take the Body and Blood of the Saviour Jesus Christ into their own in the Mass that changes the bread and wine into the REAL Body and Blood of Jesus through the Words of the Priest by Transubstantiation.  God told the Jews he could raise up “these rocks” to worship/love me if you won’t.  WHAT A GOD!!!  PLEADING, SACRIFICING, TRYING TO SAVE HIS CHILDREN.  Don’t give me any of that get out of my Jewish Territory.  As a Christian, I AM a Jew through the body and blood of my Saviour Jesus Christ, and therefore I am an inheritor of the Holy Land.  Who do you think Jesus wants to return to, people who hate him and deny he is the Messiah, or HIS people who are called by HIS name… Christians.  That’s the trouble with you guys.  You use an old rule book and old orders, stubborn to accept God’s plan, you remind me of the kid’s story of the boy who went to the store for his mom and through a series of unavailable items he repeatedly brought home replacements but didn’t adapt how he carried them according to their structure… long story short, he dragged home the butter.  Your understanding of the Gospel and equality on earth is explained by your astounding praise that Christians have A totally Christian station.  Gee Whiz, Holy Cow. How about switching and giving the “Main Stream Jewish Media” the Christian time spot and let the Christians in the time THEY control.  Fair?
          Hey, do you think God loves the Jews more than he loves the Arabs?  You might want to ask him about that.

        • SandyTrank

          @FrozenStar  @RobertLatta The Lord didn’t choose the Jews as His People because they were endangered; He chose them because they were the only people who were monotheistic. Adam and Eve both sinned in the Garden of Eden and Genesis 3:15 gives us the first prophesy of the coming Redeemer. Woman has NO SEED. That is not rocket science. Eve was the ONLY woman to carry a seed because He thru the Spirit planted Christ within her, the seed didn’t come from a man. Women have eggs?? It is simple biology. Anyway, the sin nature was transferred from Adam to every person that has ever been born. If Adam hadn’t sinned with her and  Eve had repented, she would have been forgiven and the sin nature would not have gone to every generation from then to now.. The Jews, like any other group of people, strayed from God’s Way and sure when they wouldn’t listen to Him they were called a stiff-necked and gainsaying people. No different from us today. Notice when they repented He ALWAYS forgave them too. We who were not born Jewish do not become Jewish because we are born again. We were GRAFTED in remember, We who were not born Jews will never be Jews. We become His Children when we repent and receive Christ as our Lord and Saviour; people who have not received Christ are NOT His Children. He loves and died for all but Jesus said “you are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there was no truth in him, John 8:44. We are only His Children when we choose Him and Jesus sat looking down on Jerusalem and said He would have gathered them together as a hen does her chicks but they would not refers to the multitudes that wouldn’t accept Him and He grieved over that. Many refused to accept Him as their Messiah just as many people today refuse to accept Him as Saviour. Jesus still loves the Jewish people, He died for them too and you need to get over that. All those people you obviously hate, Jesus still loves and desires to save their souls. Many times the Scriptures tell us not to be ignorant of His Word or the devils devices. You are free to believe as you wish as you have the freedom to be wrong. If your theology is not built and supported by the Word of God you greatly err.

        • FrozenStar

          @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta Hope to reply tomorrow, must close now.  Thanks for the conversation.  I’ll be baaaaakkk  I hope.

        • FrozenStar

          @SandyTrank  @RobertLatta I just got to your comment today and have interruptions.  Must close.  till tomorrow… again I hope.

  • El_locoJp

    Hearings without consequences are useless and meaningless.  Until we get a congress with ba!!s, the only hearings that matter will be with witnesses who testify how badly they need freebies form the gov;t.

    • Rickamortus

      @El_locoJp I agree with your comment, but those congressmen have so many skeletons in their closet that they can be easily blackmailed into obedience; not to mention the fact that all International Treaties supersede the Constitution. The UN wants us disarmed in order to include us into the Global Governance Scheme oligarchy. The anti-Christ has to have the whole world under one leadership so he can steer it with ease. It’s all in the plan. The proof that they have total control, even of us, is that the pretender in chief is still in the Oval Office – for a second term, even!

      • FrozenStar

        @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp Who you talkin’ to?  We ain’t “stiffs” yet Ricky.  Watch the State Governors in February.  Citizens will be popping them front and center.  Getting them in line to SAVE our children from the Monster Mansion Department of Education.  Any Gov that fails to get on the bandwagon will be “left behind” in the next election they face.  Gov of CA Jerry Brown gave State of State speech Thurs. carried on C-Span.  When he got to topic of Education, said something like CA education cannot be handled by an agency on other side of the USA.  CA education must be handled by CALIFORNIANS, and parents/gpts/citizens, who oversee everything, and have strong SCHOOL BOARDS made of citizens.  He got a STANDING OVATION.  What a joy!!  Those Californians working in grassroot push to close Fed Dept of Ed and bring responsibility back to CA and citizens got through to their Governor who heard them and acted accordingly.  All Governors get copies of each other’s State of State speeches.  Let’s see who steps up and gets on the band wagon to get ‘er done and save our kids and education.  That will cause the biggest stink for the commies ever.  They MUST keep control of ed or they lose their key agenda for destroying our kids, their futures, our society and our country.  19Billion last year for the Dept., and other funding for all their tentacles.  Checkout their branches and their strangleholds on wikipedia.org.  US Department of Education.  Scroll down to see the flow chart, org chart, branches and activities.  It IS a MONSTER and we feed our kids to it as if they were sacrifices on an Aztec altar.  Tell your Govs to tell the State’s Senators to hold the line on Fed Budget and to CUT DEPT OF EDUCATION IMMEDIATELY.  GET THAT ORDER IN TO THOSE GUYS WORKING ON THE “CEILING” THE “BUDGET” AND OUR FINANCES.  Listen, rickety rickamortus, we are just stretching and warming to the fight… and we will WIN.  It’s the ‘merican way, buddy.

        • Rickamortus

          @FrozenStar  @El_locoJp I sure hope you’re right. I would love for you to be right but I don’t see it. Two steps forward and one step backward. That’s the way they “boil the frog” without him realizing it. As far as being “stiffs”, they’ve got the FEMA coffins already in place for folks like you and me. Closed military bases as nazi-style concentration camps; the works are in place, DHS purchased 450 million rounds and ordered another 750 million rounds to put us in our place; but I hope you’re the one that’s right!

        • pvanwhy

          @frozenStar  I would hope you are right but if the states control education the Washington administration could not brainwash and teach them their ways and at this time I do not see enough people who care. This is not only education but the whole process.

        • FrozenStar

          @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp There has been a below the radar grassroots movement in many States to close the Fed Dept of Ed for over a year OR more now.  Spurred by Trouble in Texas with Text books Twisting our History and that spread like sagebush in the wind.  Hope this works… here is Gov Jerry Brown’s State of the State Speech.  This is the big signal about dumping the Federal Dept of Ed, and we can watch to see which other Govs jump on board or sit still till their constituents give them an offer they can’t refuse, like resign.  Read and understand meaning under heading Education:     http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_22441617/gov-jerry-browns-state-state-speech
           
          Those FEMA coffins can be seen on youtube and the huge count of FEMA trailers and the fenced in FEMA trailer “camps” with very high fences with top posts curved inward to keep people IN whereas normally protective spike posts are curved OUTWARD to keep people OUT.  What’s with THAT??  Wonder if those folks in New Jersey could check youtube and find the trailers closest to the coast and find out why they haven’t been provided with all the trailers they need instead of living in tents STILL.  WHY doesn’t the Gov of NJ go get some?  Yup, something real bad is up.  Chris Christie would definitely haul in those trailers for his people if he could.  btw, hummmmm, wonder where DHS and all the other Agencies that do not ordinarily stock ANY weapons or ammo,  are STORING all that ammo… hummmm.  Guess there would be some real big security around those areas.  Well, you know how snoopy pesky Americans are, so maybe someone will be posting youtube video spy stuff… but couldn’t really be spy, because after all, there is “nothing there.”

        • KarolHancock

          @FrozenStar  @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp
           As for the coffins, they are there and real. There is video’s of the FEMA camps on YouTube also.  Some one did do some spy stuff.  Jessie Ventura while he was Governor.  Go to YouTube check for Conspiracy Theory S02E04 Police State.  There 3 or 4 video’s.  It is scary!

        • icetrout

          @KarolHancock  @FrozenStar  @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp You know what’s even more scary than that?The million’s upon million’s of American Citizens who target practice every day & night…year upon year…. spending billions on ammo & weaponry…

        • FrozenStar

          @icetrout  @KarolHancock  @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp Love that comforting pop pop sound in the distance of American Citizens prepared and practicing.

        • Recmanmc

          @icetrout @KarolHancock @FrozenStar @Rickamortus @El_locoJp Those millions of Amricans who are spending money on ammo and weapons are doing as recreation, no different than playing golf, or skiing. Many of those who shoot for sport are active duty military or Alan enforcement. The skills that they perfect may save their lives some day.

        • RalphZ

          @FrozenStar  @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp Would he really? I just don’t trust politicians who don’t do what is right and delay helping people.  The trailers are there and no one should be able to stop him from getting them and using them.  If the feds give him any lip about it, he can always use the lawyers they have on salary to force the point publicly and let the rest be the American people putting pressure on the feds but then again it rests on the fact that the American people have a back bone and I haven’t seen any evidence of that yet.

        • FrozenStar

          @RalphZ  @Rickamortus  @El_locoJp Let’s go save the Americans in New Jersey.  They will reward us with their appreciative support later and intensely.  Order all Governors to move FEMA trailers to NJ this week and set them up in living condition.  Republican Governors are the majority now.  They BETTER listen to their own citizens.  Petition, call, send Letter to the Editor of all your papers telling that you contacted the Gov and told him to move the trailers in or for him to move out if he is inept in helping Americans and it doesn’t matter what State they are in now, it’s too late for that type of organizing.  GO!  Let’s see which one gets off his/her duff first.

  • Drifter007

    Yeah– and there appears to be little we can do. We have no honor in the congress and “that man” is now after the military to destroy it.

    • FrozenStar

      @Drifter007 Keep the faith, Drifter007.  We will stay the course our Founders set for us.  Hell or Highwater.

  • ragnarok65

    Where’s a clone of Senator Joe McCarthy when the country really needs him? He would only have to look around him to find those who would diminish and destroy our Constitution and this once-great Nation. “I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the direction of the State Department. — Joe McCarthy” Today, he could fill that list without ever leaving the floor of Congress!

    • FrozenStar

      @ragnarok65  …and the list of commies known to the current Sec’y of State is longer than ever and the list will be handed off to another commie SoState.  Arrogant, Chutzpah jerks, all of them now.  Joe McCarthy was SMART and had the goods on those devils.  Americans were too “nice” and couldn’t believe any American would want to destroy our country.  We learned the hard way and understand how we were fooled.  Not nice to make fools of Americans.  We will clean up the messes permanently.

    • Maynard

      @ragnarok65 I think you would be very interested in reading the information I’m about to give you and others that also read this information.  The link I’m going to gived your might be censored, in that you will be prevented from clicking into it because the secrete Invisible Government that controls the world, the New World Order doesn’t want you to know about them. they do not want to be exposed.  To overcome this use your “search” engin. It will be worth your while, believe me. You will see how dumbed down Americans have become  http://www.4rie.com/mainindex.html and http://www.4rei.com/rie%.201.html  thru  209.html.  You must use “seach” for the following: Bilderbergs.  Then click on The New World Order- Bilderbergs, and anything eles associated with conspiracy.  These readings should maked you outraged. Please pass on. @

  • Jackolyn

    Exactly………

  • pchronister1

    Read the book by Ann Coulter about McCarthy.  The liberals did a number on him, but I think he was right on.

  • Troubleshooter

    @abjr: I’m not sure what post you are referring to.  I am more inclined to believe that you are misreading my position in a series of linked responses.  I would appreciate it if you would direct me to the exact post to which you refer.  Like you, I would be surprised to hear anything such as you describe come from me.

  • Troubleshooter

    However, I will state clearly a position here: I am a follower of Christ Jesus.  I believe that there is no path to eternal life outside of Hell except through Him.  I believe that The Old and New Testaments point to Christ as the only name under Heaven by which men may be saved, and that has already been accomplished.  What remains is for those who have not yet done so, to declare Him the Lord of their lives, and to confess their sins to Him, and then accept the blessings He freely gives to all through Grace, and Grace alone.  There are no OTHER works which provide Salvation.  Non-Messianic Jews are converted Christians-in-waiting.  Every Knee Shall Bend, and Every Tongue shall Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.  If that is perceived as religious bigotry, so be it.

  • Troubleshooter

    @abjr: I use the lower case c in the word catholic to express my personal disgust with the the religion that bears its name.  This disgust is justified by the profound numbers of practicing pedophiles held by this alleged religion as its leaders.  An organization taught and led by pedophiles is an organization of pedophiles.  Such behavior comes from one place.  It is NOT from Christ Jesus, and that leaves ONLY one other master.  EVERY POPE since the beginning of the United Nations has openly, and in print, urged the establishment of a One World Global Government.  Now stop trying to side step the issue with a bunch of red-herring bullcrap.  Do You RENOUNCE the Religious Organization which ADVOCATES One World Government, that having been clearly described in Scripture as being a Government By The Beast, OR, do you, like the rest of the pedophiles, think that this is ok?

  • http://aol.com jean1000

    If you haven’t already, check out judicialwatch.org.  This legal organization continues to fight governmental corruption and exposes how obama not only manipulates the law of the land but also ignores it.  JW formed when clinton was president and had lots of material to work with there.  JW also went after bush.

    • FrozenStar

      @jean1000 They do not muck around.  Precise, current, smart and provable.  Have read JW for a while now.

  • spyderdalton

    Washington is the new Boom town.  Boom towns throughout history have been because something was produced.  Oil, gold, computer tech, etc.  Washington produces nothing but debt and pays for it with your hard earned dollars. 
    Nine of the richest counties in America are in and around Washington, D.C.  70,000 private jets, the highest consumption on rare wines, people paying cash for $325,000 cars and cash for homes.  Corporations make 22,000% profit lobbying congress… 
     
    They successfully shifted the blame on wall street and enlisted brain dead morons to protest on wall street to divert the attention away from the real crime in America while soaking the American tax payer out of 16 trillion dollars.
     
    They are held unaccountable for lying violating their oaths of office.  They are unaccountable for crimes committed against the American people and the entire Congress is guilty of treason for their complicity in Obama’s crimes. 
     
    They have sworn to protect the Constitution and from all enemies foreign and domestic and are defying that oath on a daily basis with no accountability. 
     
    They are dividing a nation between rich and poor while they get richer and the poor poorer…
     
    They have stolen the press, the education and healthcare system, the banks, religious freedom, the auto industry and now they are coming for our guns so that we are left defenseless to their criminal activities.   Only criminals and the government will have the guns and there is no difference between the two
     
    There is nothing more dangerous than an unaccountable government, not even armed citizens…
     
    We need to stop blaming either party separately and see it as a joint effort by both to undermine the constitution to assure a one world order… Agenda 21.  WTFU America!  It’s in your face and you still refuse to see. We are staring at absolute corruption in government that is bankrupting your children’s futures for generations.
     
    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/01/25/sean-hannity-reveals-the-booming-business-of-government-in-boomtown-washington-the-imperial-city/
     
    http://youtu.be/5To0r5y93mA

    • FrozenStar

      @spyderdalton Gee Whiz I think I’ve died and gone to Heaven.  You and several others writing on this site are better reporters and commentators than ANY tv news or print columnist and better, more astute writers than any article I’ve read in the several “publications” I subscribe to.  I FEEL LIKE I’M BEING SURROUNDED BY REAL AMERICANS.  WHEN YOU GUYS STAND UP, THERE IS NO DOUBTING YOU.  PLEASE connect with each other for purpose of organizing and focusing on specifics that you will undoubtedly influence.  Oh my gosh.  THANK YOU!!!  GOD HAS BLESSED AMERICA WITH MEN LIKE YOU GUYS.  Re Agenda 21.  Have a lot of info on it.  Real bad.  Upstate NY has been fighting it before most knew about it.  Checkout Olive NY and Red Hook NY and search each including words Agenda 21.  Also, California is getting it together because Agenda 21 under another name is moving on huge areas of private property and farmland.  They will use Sustainable (green) excuses to assign areas to government and get local officials to cooperate and convince citizens… then the trick is when no one is looking (hidden) the government  will sell it to China and use the funds to look good in decreasing the debt… what a plan for sucker Americans.  China of course will have the property rights and will do whatever they want.  Illinois is getting a whiff and farmers are preemptively selling blocks of their farmland to their kids to break it up and protect it from Agenda 21 takeover.  Don’t know details, but have heard Florida is being invaded by Sustainable excuses too…  Obbba’s program off of Agenda 21 is called Rural Sustainable Land (something like that) which targets farms. 
       
      Yeah, these devils are after us, the fools.  They keep failing to understand that History repeats itself but this time if they don’t stop, history will have a different finality for them. They are like Wiley Coyote who keeps trying to drop anvils on Roadrunner’s head and always gets the bump himself.  They never learn and they think they are so smart.

  • Troubleshooter

    @violator1:  I didn’t vote for ANY of them.  I am and have Historically been Independent.  Furthermore, Nobody GIVES me anything.  I earned what I receive through Military Service and Employment which paid into a Social Security Fund.  I didn’t volunteer to pay into SS, but I damn sure insist on reacquiring the value of what I was forced to pay in.  If you are generally so incorrect in your comments, maybe you need to just shut the fu*k up, punk.

    • FrozenStar

      @Troubleshooter I think you are a sharp shooter along with being a trouble shooter, and I’d say you sure hit the bullseye with your message!!!  Congratulations and Please Accept This Message as a Medal of Honor award.

  • HowardPettyjohn

    Someone on this thread told me that if I was not content with what was going on in this country to move out.
    That is without a doubt the most immature response one can get.  Rather join together and take our government to task they just say move out.

  • Maynard

    McCarthy was right about all the communist infiltration and subversivie activities
    in our government.  He was aware of five communists cells  (or goupes as the communist call them).  He exposed three of them before being censored by the unpatriotic members of congress. Then came Sen Frank Church’s (D) committee and stopped all- witch hunts as he and the news media called them- traitors I call them- by the FBI and CIA.  When one communist infiltrates he then tries to take in at least ten more.  You can see what that can add up to. This includes both political parties, too; and they do not define what kind of liberal or conservative they claim to be that, conventiently hides their true idiology.  It comes down to words verse actons- one cannot hide himself from anyone who having eyes, sees, and having ears, listens. The word liberal means- politically- change. Anyone with an idiology differednt than that of our Constitional Republican form of govenment- like a communist would simply call himself a liberal to hide his true idiology.  Now if you were a communist and wanted to infiltrate a political party that is predominatly Constitutional Conservatives- as once was the GOP- then you would NOT call yourelf a Constitutional Conservative, a term that would not hide your idiology, but simply conservative.  See how deceptive politicians and enemy infiltrators can be? The word conservative needs a prefix such as Constitutional conservative.  Bush 2 called himself a compassionate conservaive. Romney called himself first a fiscal conservative then a moderate.  McCain edither called himself a moderate, centrist, or plain conservative.  There are communist conservatives, socialist conservatives, nazi conservatives.  Conservative means the presedrvastion, the conservation of that which exists or has been extablished.  Constitutional conservative, then, is one who wants to preserve our Comnstitution,. our Republic for which it stands, and the freedoms that God gave to eac h of us azt ther time of our conception. God did not give any man or groupe of men, such as a governmednt of men, the freedom to take away the freedoms of any others without their consednt. To remain mute or inactive, in the minds of subversives is and act of consent.   So we must all speak out, pass on information, act to preserve all that is ours, andc not the perverts of our Constitution.~ Maynard Merrfell

    • FrozenStar

      @Maynard Maynard!  What a GREAT message, important basic information with definitions.  I truly appreciate your writing.  It is BEAUTIFUL as TRUTH is beautiful.  Indeed Words Have Meanings.  These people who gorge off of our tax payments and get rich from grabbing opportunities they create or access first or keep others from knowing about or accessing, are exceedingly evil.  Indeed as our Founders stated, it is God who gives us FREEDOMS, not governments.   God gave us a system to PROTECT our God-given freedoms.  Yes, God gave each of us freedoms at the time of our CONCEPTION.  With Freedom comes responsibility to PROTECT it from destroyers.  What a Great Creator God we have and are so lucky to have life and be His children.

  • Maynard

    Someone made a comment about “thou shelt not kill.”  People who read this in the Ten Commandments only need to read further to read the explainations to the Ten Commandments.  For “thou shelt not kill” it explains that it applies to planned 1st degree murder, not warfare or self-defense or accidental killing of another..  Remember, God sent the Isrealites out to war with and kill all the pagens, men, women an d babies.  Their failure to follow through is why, I think, we have so much evil in our world today.  I think the pagens were the people of Satan.  The Isreilites then mixed with the pagans.  We ended up with Sodom and Gammora (?) and with God wasxhing hs hands of the people and saying, more or less, shift for yourselves; but he also told us to use our common sence in doing so, don’t be deceive and stipid.  This just my opinion and I’m not tryimng to influence anyone else. Ledt get that stright.  I just think for myself. I own my own mind and thoughts.

    • CarlStevenson

      @Maynard the correct translation of the original Hebrew is “murder” not “kill”.
      There are many places in the bible where it’s clear that killing is either permitted or COMMANDED.
      Killing in self-defense or the defense of other innocents is clearly permissible … In fact, self-defense and the defense of others is an obligation.

      • FrozenStar

        @CarlStevenson  @Maynard Exactly true, Carl.   Why aren’t preachers and priests clarifying meaning of kill is murder!  They used to.  Indeed killing is required to stop evil prevailing against good, against innocents, even against our Constitution and Amendments and Founding Documents.  
        Without the killing of the tyrants we would not have our country… even Thomas Jefferson ORDERED us by “recommendation” that from time to time it will be necessary that the Tree Of Freedom be refreshed with the BLOOD of TYRANTS AND PATRIOTS.  There are a lot of politicians looking like Tyrants these days and slamming our Constitution, and our 2nd Amendment.  Undoubtedly they have read our Constitution… and that’s why the Tyrants are trying to take our GUNS.  DON’T LET THEM.  We The People are ORDERED to stop them… many Patriots died fighting to get those documents of freedom for us.  We are understanding that the zionist communists have slithered into our government and are trying to increase their stranglehold on us.  Yup, those critters are ol’ COMMIES again.  They never learn, and History proves it.  WE WIN.

      • RalphZ

        @CarlStevenson  @Maynard Hi,  I like the word “kill” for it covers a lot of ground which includes Murder.  A lot of people don’t call Abortion murder but it is killing a life in the womb.  A lot of people don’t call a terrorist bomber a murderer, at least the news media, but a killer and the people were killed and not murdered.  You will find that there were cities that were called cities of refuge.  If you accidentally killed someone, you could run to these cities and live in them and stay alive.  You had a certain time limit to staying  there.  But if one is proven to have committed premeditated murder, they were dragged out and put to death by the “avenger”.  That attitude is what is missing today.  The eye should not pity nor should you give mercy to one who has committed premeditated murder. (Genesis 9:6; Deuteronomy 19:1-7, 10-13 KJB)  But then again we have preachers that state God is wrong and we have made it so that a murderer can live 20-40 years after their conviction with all the appeals.  A good example of the slowness of Justice in America is the military doctor that murdered all those members, was seen shooting them, was heard yelling (Allah Aqbar(?)), but was also shot and they have done so much hemming and hawings about nonsense that he hasn’t even been brought to trial but his guilt is beyond question.  He is a Murderer and there is no excuse but we have bleeding hearts whose eyes do pity and demand mercy when it should not be given.  That’s the way I see it.  Have a good day.

        • CarlStevenson

          @RalphZ @Maynard Ralph, I disagree with you. I prefer to maintain the moral distinction between killing and murdering. My here is no sin in killing someone to prevent them from killing, raping, or otherwise doing you great harm. In fact, as I’ve mentioned, the use of force, including deadly force, in th defense of yourself or other innocents is an OBLIGATION under G-d’s law.
          I hate moral relativism. It’s a corrupting influence. There ARE absolutes of right and wrong, and those who try to say different are just looking for excuses to “excuse” bad behavior … generally to feel good about excusing their OWN bad behavior.
          Again killing for righteous reasons isn’t bad. While I hope to never have to kill someone, I am fully prepared to do so quite deliberatelyif it’s necessary to counter evil, and I won’t lose sleep over it if it happens because I know right from wrong and which side I come down on.
          I agree with you that justice has become far too slow. The Ft. Hood shooter should have been put to death within the week. There is clearly no doubt of his guilt … Caught (and shot) in the act, with so many witnesses. Too bad the officer that finally shot him only wounded him. If he were condemned to a firing squad, I’d have no problem participating.

        • RalphZ

          @CarlStevenson  @RalphZ  @Maynard I agree but I still like the word kill used there.  Yes there are exceptions and they are spelled out in the Old Testament.  Did you know if your house is broken in and you wound the thief, that if they died before the sun rose, there were no repercussions, but if he lived, he had to pay you for his theft. (Exodus 22:2-3 KJB). A murderer could claim sanctuary at the alter in the temple and if it was shown that he was a premeditated murderer, he would be dragged from the alter and put to death.  There was no “sanctuary” for these and there should not be.
           
          The officer who shot the Ft Hood shooter, should be put back on the range until he can make a kill shot.  I was taught that if I have to take out my gun to stop someone, I will shoot and not to wound.  If that means two or more bullets, then that is what it means.  I will not allow anyone to hurt my family and if any break into my house, I will take it as an attack and defend with deadly force.  But that is the way I was trained.

    • JoeZimmerman

      @Maynard
       
      GOD   said  it’;s  OK  to  kill muslim terrorist  ,,,,

      • Evermyrtle

        @JoeZimmerman  @Maynard  Very interesting!!! I want to see that quotation, where can it be found? I would like to see because I do not believe any such thing is in existence, any such WORD FROM GOD. The world is rife with such anti-GOD  QUOTES

      • FrozenStar

        @JoeZimmerman  @Maynard Oh boy, Zimmerman is at the switch again.

      • boone1

        @JoeZimmerman  @Maynard
         What a liar you are.

    • pvanwhy

      @Maynard  You mention Sodom and Gomorrah.  God gave them over to a reprobate mind because they did not like to retain God in their mind. Due to their reprobate  mind they got to the place where judgment fell and destroyed the cities. America is in that position right now where those in control have been given over to reprobate mind and the subjets are following the leaders so I believe judgment has begun on America and without a revival the nation will be destroyed and I do not see a revival happening at this point.

  • v steve

    The house of Representatives can stop obama cold in his tracks, they have control of the money all they have to do is defund. The Republicans have the majority in the house of Representatives. It`s not only obama the problem.

    • icetrout

      @v steve It’s a RINO problem… damn things need to be made to go extinct…

    • fisherjmj

      @v steve The Republicans have the authority, what is lacking is fortitude, especially with Boerner!
       
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  • fisherjmj

    Even while the Congressman was still alive, I witnessed the planned gradual destruction of the defenses we had against subversive infiltration.   The first step in that was to outlaw Congress investigating any other member of Congress.  Before then, they already had enough comsymps in place to pass such insane legislation, after they passed that, all stops were out!
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  • fisherjmj

    livefyre8158,
     
    Why  didn’t you include the Obamanation’s Joint Chiefs of Staff in your list?
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  • fisherjmj

    Yeah right!

  • fisherjmj

    Yes, it is called “Eternity in Hell!”

  • fisherjmj

    He already destroyed the Military when he appointed his own to the Joint Chiefs of Staff!

    • RalphZ

      @fisherjmj He put the nail in the coffin of the military by getting rid of DADT.  Not everything is good as the news media and the prejudicial Generals are commenting on.

  • fisherjmj

    Zimmerman,
     
    You apparently don’t read the Bible, especially the Old Testament!
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  • fisherjmj

    What makes you state that any of the Kennedy’s are and were not evil, Rose being a possible exception?
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • icetrout

      @fisherjmj Ted Kennedy left a woman to drowned in his car Just one example of his pure evilness… my he burn in hell !!!

      • RalphZ

        @icetrout  @fisherjmj He probably is despite all the religious procedures and dogmas he followed and the religious rites he was given.

        • icetrout

          @RalphZ  @fisherjmj What’s up with the Catholic Church not excommunicating Catholic Politicians who promote abortion,queer mirage,live & promote a queer lifestyle,try to abolish God given Rights…Just goes to show how corrupt the Catholic Church has become…

        • RalphZ

          @icetrout  @fisherjmj Think about it Icetrout.  Actions speak louder then words.

        • icetrout

          @RalphZ  @fisherjmj Think about it all the time… lot of queers in the Catholic Church & Politics… just saying…

  • fisherjmj

    You sir, are not even worth replying to.
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • FrozenStar

      @fisherjmj Might be a good idea to “talk” to Reich’s “blog”  with some truths.

  • mexseiko

    Obama is a symptom not the illness. He carries the judgment against America found guilty of rejecting God and killing the unborn.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of the reality that is emerging, this is a very cogent piece on the fate of the Republican Party  what the immediate future may portend.
     
    How Obama Is Unraveling Reagan Republicanism
    By Robert Reich, Robert Reich’s Blog
    26 January 13
     
    Soon after President Obama’s second inaugural address, John Boehner said the White House would try “to annihilate the Republican Party” and “shove us into the dustbin of history.”
    Actually, the GOP is doing a pretty good job annihilating itself. As Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal put it, Republicans need to “stop being the stupid party.”
    The GOP crackup was probably inevitable. Inconsistencies and tensions within the GOP have been growing for years – ever since Ronald Reagan put together the coalition that became the modern Republican Party.
    All President Obama has done is finally found ways to exploit these inconsistencies.
    Republican libertarians have never got along with social conservatives, who want to impose their own morality on everyone else.
    Shrink-the-government fanatics in the GOP have never seen eye-to-eye with deficit hawks, who don’t mind raising taxes as long as the extra revenues help reduce the size of the deficit.
    The GOP’s big business and Wall Street wing has never been comfortable with the nativists and racists in the Party who want to exclude immigrants and prevent minorities from getting ahead.
    And right-wing populists have never got along with big business and Wall Street, which love government as long as it gives them subsidies, tax benefits, and bailouts.
    Ronald Reagan papered over these differences with a happy anti-big-government nationalism. His patriotic imagery inspired the nativists and social conservatives. He gave big business and Wall Street massive military spending. And his anti-government rhetoric delighted the Party’s libertarians and right-wing populists.
    But Reagan’s coalition remained fragile. It depended fundamentally on creating a common enemy: communists and terrorists abroad, liberals and people of color at home.
    On the surface Reagan’s GOP celebrated Norman Rockwell’s traditional, white middle-class, small-town America. Below the surface it stoked fires of fear and hate of “others” who threatened this idealized portrait.
    In his first term Barack Obama seemed the perfect foil: A black man, a big- spending liberal, perhaps (they hissed) not even an American.
    Republicans accused him of being insufficiently patriotic. Right-wing TV and radio snarled he secretly wanted to take over America, suspend our rights. Mitch McConnell declared that unseating him was his party’s first priority.
    But it didn’t work. The 2012 Republican primaries exposed all the cracks and fissures in the GOP coalition.
    The Party offered up a Star Wars barroom of oddball characters, each representing a different faction – Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Cain, Santorum. Each rose on the strength of supporters and then promptly fell when the rest of the Party got a good look.
    Finally, desperately, the GOP turned to a chameleon – Mitt Romney – who appeared acceptable to every faction because he had no convictions of his own. But Romney couldn’t survive the general election because the public saw him for what he was: synthetic and inauthentic.
    The 2012 election exposed something else about the GOP: it’s utter lack of touch with reality, its bizarre incapacity to see and understand what was happening in the country. Think of Karl Rove’s delirium on Fox election night.
    All of which has given Obama the perfect opening – perhaps the opening he’d been waiting for all along.
    Obama’s focus in his second inaugural – and, by inference, in his second term – on equal opportunity is hardly a radical agenda. But it aggravates all the tensions inside the GOP. And it leaves the GOP without an overriding target to maintain its fragile coalition.
    In hammering home the need for the rich to contribute a fair share in order to ensure equal opportunity, and for anyone in America – be they poor, black, gay, immigrant, women, or average working person – to be able to make the most of themselves, Obama advances the founding ideals of America in such way that the Republican Party is incapable of opposing yet also incapable of uniting behind.
    History and demographics are on the side of the Democrats, but history and demography have been on the Democrats’ side for decades. What’s new is the Republican crackup – opening the way for a new Democratic coalition of socially-liberal young people, women, minorities, middle-class professionals, and what’s left of the anti-corporate working class.
    If Obama remains as clear and combative as he has been since Election Day, his second term may be noted not only for its accomplishment but also for finally unraveling what Reagan put together. In other words, John Boehner’s fear may be well-founded.
     
    Robert B. Reich, Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers “Aftershock” and “The Work of Nations.” His latest is an e-book, “Beyond Outrage.” He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

    • agbjr

      @the Truth Seeker Robert Reich is a blatantly Marxist academic with no real-life experience or knowledge; he can not function outside a classroom and his stint as Secretary of Labor was an abysmal failure. He really should have capitalized on his uncanny resemblance to Toulouse Lautrec.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of far-right nativism, libertarian lunacy, science bashing, Know-Nothing rhetoric revisited, flat-earth thinking, Jim Crow states’ rightism, and general uneducated claptrap, thes are some of the Teapublican positions:
     
    A person who believes one or more of the Tea Party’s slant on today’s political issues. Many of their rants are so bizarre and without basis that they weren’t taken seriously until the movement had grown to an alarming collection of right-wing extremists, thus proving that the number of insane people currently residing in the US was grossly underestimated. Some of their more bigoted, racist, religious or homophobic beliefs include:  Obama is a Muslim Socialist and is not eligible to be president because he was born in Kenya.·  Obama is going to take away their guns.·  If Republicans gain control of the House, Obama should be impeached.·  Repeal the 14th Amendment so being born in America won’t mean automatic citizenship.·  Obama’s Healthcare Plan has a hidden ‘Death Panel’ clause so they can decide who lives or dies.·  16,000 IRS agents have been hired to jail people who don’t have health insurance.·  Abortion is Murder. Every unborn child has the right to be born· and survive to the age of eighteen so he or she can join the military and kill other eighteen year olds that have different religious or political views than they do.  Church and State should be one.·  Gay marriage will ruin the sanctity of marriage.·  Evolution is a hoax.·  Creationism should be taught in schools.·  Global warming is a hoax.·  The Earth was created in 6 days and is 6,000 years old.·  Sarah Palin could become one of America’s finest presidents.·
     
    Is there a denial to these Teapublican truths? Just look at the state legislatures that under their moronic control!

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker Prove it.  Show me where in the US Constitution it does not state what the “Tea Party” has stated?  Where in the Bill of Rights does it state that they are wrong? You cannot state for a fact that Obama is not a Muslim, or an American citizen because of his sealing all of his past. (His birth certificates and social security number alone raise red flags.) The 14th amendment does not mean what people today say it means.  The Constitution and the 14th amendment are not living and changing in meaning documents but are static and mean what they say for the reasons their papers, which explain why they were written, give.Remember that killing a baby in the womb is murder, according to the Bible, for children are a gift from God (Genesis 33:5; 48:9; Psalms 113:9; 127:3, 5; Isaiah 8:18; Proverbs 17:6; Matthew 19:14 KJB)   Just because they might be born and grow up to join the military does not mean they do not have the right to live.  Your assumptions are showing. In the Obama care law there is a panel that decides if the surgery or treatment is viable and the person is not too old to gain from it.  These are bureaucrats not doctors. Wait for the tax form and see if the rumors are true about the health care questions because the government has to track if you have any in some manner. They do not preach that “Church and state” should be one but that the state has no right to tell anyone what they should and should not believe nor do they have the right to remove it from the public square.  This shows an adversary attitude towards religion.  Teaching the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule was  taken out of the school and most of public life under the law of “Separation of Church and state” and the claim it is in the First Amendment.  It is not.  Also we now have adults that do not believe in any moral values unless they agree with them.  And after years of having gun clubs in schools, we not fear anyone who has a gun because of moral breakdown. Same sex marriage is impacting Marriage and is being used to force Churches and businesses who still see homosexuality as wrong and a sin against God, to accept  their right to have the businesses support their faux marriage and have them in the Church’s buildings and to force Chaplains to do it or have their service in the military cut short. Also now you have pedophiles trying to use the same route and lie that homosexuals used in that they claim they are “made” that way. Evolution has to be taken on faith as well as creation.  The Scopes Trial came to the conclusion that both should be taught but now we have only one taught which is what caused the Scopes trial.  As Sir Arthur Kieth stated, “Evolution is unproven and un-provenable, the reason we believe it is that the only alternative is Creation.” ( I think I got the quote right, I’m trying to remember a quote I read over 25 years ago.), Also it is your opinion that Sarah Palin would not make a fine American President, not fact.  So your prejudices are showing through and your  moniker, “Truth Seeker” must be tongue in cheek. Have a good day.

      • agbjr

        @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker Well said. I enjoying staring liberals in the eye and calmly saying, “Sarah Palin!”, then walking away. It makes their heads explode.

        • RalphZ

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker agbir, thank you for the laugh.  I also like the idea of their heads spinning 360 degrees several times.  The image is funny.  But that is just my sick sense of humor.  Have a good day.

      • Recmanmc

        @RalphZ @the Truth Seeker Ralph, you must be reading a different version of the King James version of the Bible. I find no references among that you cited that say anything about abortion, only about living children out of uterus. Marriage of same sex couples is only in the eyes of the state. Your church is free to marry them or not.

        • RalphZ

          @Recmanmc  @RalphZ  @the If a woman loses her child, while she is pregnant, there is a punishment for the one who causes that loss.  Also since children are a gift from God, you have the reason that aborting the child in the womb is against God.  I read the Same KJB.
           
          Also you are wrong about the Church being free to not do same sex marriage.  People are already being punished for not supporting same sex marriages, even where they are not recognized.  If you are a flower shop, you have the right to say no to a customer but not when it comes to supporting a same sex marriage or just the vows that a same sex couple might want to do.  A Church did not have the right to decide who could and could not use one of their structures, I think it was in New Jersey, because a same sex couple wanted to use it for their vows.  Yes in some places you can deny them but in others you do not have the right to do that. That is the facts.

        • Recmanmc

          @RalphZ@Recmanmc@the
          Ralph, the Bible quote is Exodus 21:22, and says:
          “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no mischief follows: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.”  It says nothing about abortion but only the miscarriage from the mother being injured. 
           
          In marriage, the State issues the license and a judge can perform the marriage.  In States where same sex coupes can be married, the couple can be married by a judge or by a member of the clergy, if the canons of that church permit it.

    • agbjr

      @the Truth Seeker So sad persons such as yourself actually believe the liberal propaganda. United States Citizens used to pride themselves for the ability to disseminate fact from fiction, to innately know what was true and what was false. The liberal media and blatantly socialist academics have over recent decades eliminated this great attribute of American society. The most appalling consequence has been the inability in most of today’s US population to understand the Constitution. Rather than actually reading it for themselves they take as truth the interpretations of media, politicians,  and courts – most of these interpretations are liberal-minded and frankly incorrect. The Constitution is a simple document, written in easily-understood English, and stating exactly what it means – the Founding Fathers were very careful to be certain there would be no room or reason for interpretation.
       
      The saddest truth is a commentary such as yours shows the kind of thought process – or lack thereof – sought by propagandists seeking to undermine and destroy personal liberty. Those who allow themselves to be tools of propaganda do not themselves deserve the protection afford by the Constitution and United States Citizenship.

    • CarlStevenson

      @the Truth Seeker yes, We understand. Anyone who disagrees with the leftist “progressive” party line is “crazy” and a “right wing extremist.”
      Tyrannical, totalitarian governments have long used the label of “mentally ill” or non-compliance with immoral “laws” or “regulations” as an excuse to jail, “disappear,” and murder their political opponents.
      Sounds to me like you believe in and support that approach.
      All I can say is feel free to try that, but when you do, please have the balls to come to try to do it yourself, rather than dooming some poor quislings by asking them to do your dirty work.
      As Mike Vanderboegh says, “Don’t poke a wolverine with a sharp stick unless you want your balls ripped off.”

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth Seeker:  Every Liar I ever knew always claimed to be “just trying to get at the Truth”.  Here’s a Truth for you:  I AM The Way, The TRUTH, and the Life.  You try to paint with a very broad brush, and you, like all of Satan’s Stooges, try to make enough false statements in one breath with such passion and commitment that the retarded and drug-hazed will accept what you say.  Your Failure, Satan, is in your inability to understand that those who Have Christ, Have The Mind Of Christ, and your crap is just too easy to spot.  In The Name Of Christ Jesus, I rebuke you Satan, and all your works.  Your ass is whipped boy, accept it and git on back to Sulphur Gulch.  Amen.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Troubleshooter  @the Have you sought clinical help.You speak for Jesus? I don’t know whether to laugh or call out the men in white coats!

  • the Truth Seeker

    More evidence of Teapublican antediluvian thinking. They actually compare the Nazis with socialism! That’s an intellectual stretch that’s beyond intellectual sanity, but leave it to the ostrich thinking Know-Nothings that inhabit the margins of our society but have been unified by the magic of the Internet. How many Timothy McVeighs will emerge from these minions?
     
    National Socialism, by that name, no longer exists. The National Socialist German Workers party promoted itself using “The Big Lie”: a blatant lie about its opponents, told often enough, assumed to be true. The Big Lie (the ideology itself) was promoted by the party’s propaganda wing. By assuming control of the church, scouting organizations, schools and universities, the Nazi party was able to gain broad support. No one wanted to be unpatriotic after WWI, and thus criticism was easily stifled. Protests were astroturfed to build hatred against Jews, Socialists, Communists, gays, and intellectuals. The Center Party liked the Nazis’ anti-Communist, free market beliefs and allowed its rise to power in what was probably the worst political underestimation in history. The Nazis then banned the Center Party. National Socialism is neither: It seeks to divide people up to more easily conquer them according to their hatreds. It also goes directly against the ideology of Socialism because it teaches people to identify with their race, not their social class.
     
    But, of course, our modern day nut cases, whose heroes are the disgraced drunkard Joe McCarthy who died of liver disease and his homophobic aide Roy Cohen, who was a closet gay himself, cannot reconcile their own limitations and prejudices. Everything they don’t understand they hate. These arm chair generals and chicken hawks will fight to the last drop of every one else’s blood, and hypocritically bleat about the reduction in their Social Security colas or the limits on their Medicare reimbursements, but support Teapublicans who which to privatize and voucher their future. There is only one technical term for them: dopes!

    • icetrout

      @the Truth Seeker Twist & shout  you simpleton…You just make yourself sound like a shill for the DNC… & probably are with twisted statements like that…dumb-ass…

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of the lunatic-fringe support for the moribund Teapublican Party:
     
    Socially conservative republicans who base their political beliefs on conservative religious beliefs and who are unaware of the logical inconsistencies in their arguments. Retardicans rail against government intrusion in people’s lives, but want the government to restrict choice on abortion, disallow gay unions and marriage, pass and enforce laws on drug usage, increase military spending, and proscribe prostitution or other types of sexual interactions they believe are ‘sinful’. Retardicans favor laissez-faire capitalism even when it is not in their own economic interest to do so. The actual areas where they want less government intrusion are taxation and gun rights. The Retardicans at the Tea Party rally held up their signs saying ‘Get your government hands off my Medicare.’ What dumb azzes!

    • mexseiko

      @the Truth Seeker Nice contrast between capitalism and defense against abortion, sodomy, drug abuse, prostitution, adultery and fornication, etc. You have a weird idea of an ideal society.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of the Economy and the Chicken Little types who believe we are heading to social chaos and biblical Armageddon.
     
    As I recall, the first half of the last century was dominated by another monarchial civil war between capitalistic blocs dominated by the Allied and Central Powers. There were no socialist countries, no less communist. In fact, if any country had any social safety nets it was Bismarkian Germany which was run by a totalitarian oligarchy, in the same way that the Romanovs ran Russia and the Hapsburgs ran the Austria-Hungary Empire.
     
    As to the middle of the century, the cataclysmic event was caused by actions from statist fascists, first led by Italy in Abyssinia, the triumph of the Falange in Spain and the rise of the Nazis in Germany, who had “national socialism” in their name, but certainly not in their style. The social leaning Popular Front government in France under Leon Blum, and the socially concerned Benelux Countries along with Denmark and Norway were not the aggressors.
     
    In the post war era, European unity, focusing on coal and agriculture along with the Marshall Plan and NATO brought peace and prosperity to the new Europe, despite the threat of the Soviet Union. Therefore, mixed government with social safety nets, ala the New Deal here in America, and similar systems in Western Europe was able to thwart communism. Capitalism alone is not the pure answer to economic success and social tranquility. It has authored major economic collapses from the Tulip Bubble in Holland to the Mississippi Bubble in 1820 to countless recessions, the Depression of 1907, the Great Depression of 1929 and the Great Recession of 2008. In fact, since the New Deal it has been government stability and investment that brought on recovery, with the assistance of social safety nets. In fact their have been many recessions since WWII. There were three in the Eisenhower Years. By the way, in his eight years, there were 3 million jobs created and 10 million created in the Carter four Years.
     
    The term, social anarchy, is a broad-brushed description that almost no one recognizes or even understands. There is no social anarchy here, Europe, Japan or any where else that there are recognized and expanding social rights and liberties. If anything, there is social anarchy in oligarchic dominated countries, whose societies are far from liberal and mostly dominated by conservatives and religious intolerance. It would be a stretch to describe Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Northern Africa, as leftist societies. In fact, in “social-leaning” Western and Northern Europe there has been one of the longest eras of peace and prosperity since the period from Waterloo until the Franco-Prussian War.
     
    As to debt, and the problems of the social welfare state, the Wall Street collapse of 2008 which affected the whole world, was caused by the international housing bubble fed and stimulated by the derivative scandal, hardly authored by leftists. Every recovery since the New Deal and the WWII was stimulated by a housing boom. Well there was a glut of housing on all the markets, a glut of borrowing and a glut of home equity loans used as credit card accounts. How was that authored by liberals and not by Bear Stearns, Lehman, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, and unlicensed lenders like Countrywide Financial, who wrote about 90% of the unregulated mortgages?
     
    As to job creation, as I recall when Obama came into office, the jobs were bleeding at 800K per month. In fact they bled months into 2009 when the Stimulus was passed by the Congress and money was given to the states for distribution for shove ready jobs, jobs already stalled, teachers, police officers firefighters and all sorts of people who do the necessary work that we all need and appreciate. As far as I know, and most would agree with, jobs have been being exported by American Big Business for decades. In the last 27 years since Reagan, only Clinton created jobs of any discernible amount (23 million). The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office. On a year by year basis- Clinton, Carter, Reagan, LBJ, Truman, Nixon and JFK lead Ford, Bush I and II and Eisenhower by a wide margin. In 28 years the Democrats created 57 million jobs to the GOP’s 36 million in 36 years. Those are the facts. Look it up from the WSJ.
    While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House. From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Bible of the Market: the BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday. (That was in last year in February.)
    That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office.
    “The market does tend to do better under Democrats than under Republicans,” Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S&P Equity Research in New York, said in a telephone interview. “Is it because Republicans mishandled the economy, or inherited a weak economy? I’ll leave that to others.”
    Because women have rights, Blacks can get jobs, Gays can serve in the military and can get married, and Jews and Catholics have a 50 year history of finally getting into the Ivy League and the Board rooms of Fortune 500 companies, how has that authored social anarchy? Is it that the WASP males, who controlled the world on VJ Day have been losing power?
     
    It was like the last election. Romney talked all over the place about the “47%.” For your information that “47%” speech was made all over the place and even at the Bronxville Field Club here in Westchester. But, ironically, 46% of Romney’s vote was for the 1% that he represented so well.

  • the Truth Seeker

    I’ve always wondered what my conservative friends really believe in. How were they different from me? They certainly weren’t like the lunatic-fringe that “hang out” on Newsmax, the Washington Times, and sites like Godfather, Front Porch, Cowboy, Visions for Liberty, etc. Nobody could be that nuts. These folks aren’t sure we ever landed on the Moon, think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate from Kenyan, do not believe he even went to school, cite references that nobody ever saw him in class, etc. Of course, the fact that he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review in a blind contest and taught at the University of Chicago, is fiction to them. These are the so-called “real family” value folks,  mostly from the Red Neck States, whose status on mental health, incest, rape, divorce, and violence are far, far worse than the so-called Blue States. In fact, the preponderance of these crazies lives in the regions of our country which suck up more federal dollars than they contribute and ironically make up their well-chronicled moronic: “47%.” But, so what is it that these folks hate the government, are racist bigots, and have a primitive view on women and the like! They think Medicare and Social Security are commie plots, but if you interfere with them watch out. They love their AR-15’s, AK-47’s, Uzis, NASCAR, white lightning, dog fights and they swear by their Bible-Belt Elmer Gantrys.
     
    But, what about the “sensible” conservatives who are our every day neighbors outside of the Bible Belt? What do they stand for? In truth, they are just as obese as anyone else, they have just as many marital problems, cheat on their spouses, they drink, take drugs (Rush Limbaugh) and they are just as likely to be Wall Street thieves. They also like to carry guns, even though the chance of being killed in their own home is 27 times the chance of being shot outside. In fact, up here in Westchester, the chance is in the hundreds to one. But, what of their so-called thriftiness? They have as many, or more, under water-mortgages, their credit card debt is high or higher then the average, and they get abortions when they need them, practice birth control, and would seek out stem cell research if they faced a catastrophic health problem. Most, even believe in the separation of church in state. So what are they really about, basically, Eurocentric hypocrisy, fear of the loss of power, and political impotence.
     
    By the way, where were these Constitutional gurus, patriots and fiscal watch dogs when Reagan tripled the National Debt, we lost 234 Marines in an unguarded billet in Beirut, Bush 43 engaged in two wars without taxes to support them, their faith-based $7 billion initiative was passed, the debt ceiling was approved scores of times by Republican Congresses and the unfunded Medicare Drug benefit was passed? In fact, as I recall it was Republican presidents who created the minimum tax threshold for low wage earners, so they could justify tax giveaways for the rich. So I ask, what are the conservative values? Is their fear of “big government” legit? Are they preservers of the culture? Are they protectors of personal freedom? Personally, I doubt that they are, there is slight evidence to support any of their claims, and their leadership acts in their own self-interest all the time.

  • the Truth Seeker

    More Red Neck News!
     
    Alabama teenager, Derek Shrout, 17, was arrested and charged recently with plotting to set off dozens of homemade bombs. In interviews with authorities, he described himself as a “white supremacist.”  In his home they found rifles and shotguns he planned to use in an attack on teachers and African-American students. Only in Alabama would bail be set at $75,000.
     
    So, it looks like we are facing more of the same from other copy-cat racists and maniacs who believe in the same hatred of their KKK fore bearers. But, of course, “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” But, without large clip semi-assault weapons” these sociopaths would be less dangerous.
     
    Senator Rand Paul’s 19 year old son was arrested at Charlotte’s Airport for drunkenness, disorderly conduct and disruptive. Another paragon of the libertarian right wants to control the country, but is having time controlling his son. What else is new? Since when have red necks and right wing crazies have been able to raise their progeny? Just look at the divorce rate, the murder rate, the sodomy rate, the illegitimacy rate, the child abuse rate, and the incidence of rape.
     
    In the “Red States” where they exert so much political clout and legislative influence, in the  Vanity Fair magazine (please access the following site: http://louisvilledivorce.typepad.com/info/2006/11/red_state_blue.html ) one can read about the “real” national statistics on morality. The “Red States” lead in violent crime, overall crime, divorce, illegitimacy, infidelity, multiple sexual partners, rape, incest, teenage mortality, drug abuse and incarceration. One should ask why?
     
    As to illegitimacy rates, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, of states with the highest percentage of births in 2003 to unwed mothers, 9 of the top 10 are “red” states. The rate for teen mortality by suicide, homicide and accidents, despite their state’s reputation for family, religious and moral values, was much higher in the “red” states. In fact the top ten states regarding that statistic are “red,” and the bottom ten are “blue!” Not only that the top ten states in alcohol dependence and abuse, are “red” states. The incidence of venereal disease is 40% higher in the “red” states.
     
    CNN’s Piers Morgan interview one of America’s premier insane, nut cases, one Alex Jones.  Jones declared, while screaming, “1776 will commence again!” He then added that “The Second Amendment isn’t there for duck hunting. It’s there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs.”
     
    Jones states, “It doesn’t matter how many lemmings you get out there in the street begging for them to have their guns taken. We will not relinquish them. Do you understand?” Jones also addressed gun deaths in the England, where the number is extremely low due to severe restrictions on firearms. Jones points out that people are fleeing the country, including Piers Morgan, which Jones uses as an opportunity to point out Brit’s involved in the U.K. phone-hacking scandal. How stupid, loud and abusive can one jerk be?  But this site is right in line with Jones!

    • boone1

      @the Truth Seeker
       IT was the liberals that were in the KKK not red necks as you call them.You best go back reread history you little liberal hilter you.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @boone1 You maybe the only mental midget in the whole wide world who thinks the KKK were liberal. Oh, they were Democrats, and the Democratic Party through Grover Cleveland was rarely thought of as liberal. They may have been anti-Washington, pro farmer, southern bigots and slave holders and eventually big city immigrants, but it would be a stretch to call them liberal. Until William Jennings Bryan and his Cross of Gold Speech, few Democrats were even populists, As to calling me HILTER, who is that? Is it someone with a sword at his hilt? Goofy clowns like you have been marginalized for generations, what happened? Were you liberated by the Internet where you could meet other non-contents?

  • the Truth Seeker

    As for the Gun Nuts!
     
    One would think that there were some conservatives, and I say some with some caution, with a brain and a heart. One would think that conservatives could measure the violence and collateral damage regarding the proliferation of guns versus the moronic and specious issue of a tyrannical government. The 2nd Amendment has become your daily prayer and the gun has replaced the Cross. How about the 3rd Amendment? Do you really believe that the amendment regarding “quartering soldiers” has any relevancy? The 2nd Amendment was rarely discussed no less even thought about when machine guns and other weapons of mass destruction were banned in the 1930′s. With regards to the Bill of Rights, there are no “absolutes.” There are absolute regarding; speech, religion or the press. One cannot yell fire in a theater or slander someone or use drugs in a religious practice or practice polygamy in marriage. There are many reasonable limitations with all of our rights. Our legislators and courts have understood this for 220+ years. More and more, we hear threats, vows and epithets from people like Larry Platt, Wayne LaPierre and Alex Jones about revolution, marches, insurrection and confrontation. Who are they confronting? Its their government. On these sites, I read about election fraud, liberal traitors, communist infiltration, racism, bigotry and unfounded accusations. Where is the evidence? Where is the beef? The president, in the eyes of most of the folks here is a; Kenyan, a Muslim, a commie plant, an incompetent, a liar, a fraud and every other name that the directors of this site allowed to be published.

    • FrozenStar

      @the Truth Seeker You are terribly confused and misled.  Listen to those giving you replies that include challenges to your statements and do some research to discover the truth since you say that is what you are seeking.

  • the Truth Seeker

    More Gun Hysteria by The Merchants of Death!
     
    Getting back to this issue of “guns and the plague of killings,” Isn’t enough, enough? There is not going to be a revolution by the gun owners if there is another ban on assault weapons. There isn’t going to be any insurrection in the wake of gun regulation. On the economic front, The country is not going broke, taxes will be raised on some, long-term benefits will be trimmed, the defense budget, in the wake of the end of the Afghani and Iraqi Wars, will be cut, the economy will grow, the budget deficit won’t destroy us and we will move forward. Our energy profile is much better than it has been in decades, our pollution, smog and our toxic dumping sites have been cleaned up and reduced, people are living longer, healthcare will be more available to tens of millions and we will deal with our ongoing national problems. In fact, government revenues have grown because core unemployment has been reduced, the inventory of abandoned homes has shrunk and our balance of payment deficits has improved. 
    This idea of a tyrannical government threatening America is untrue. The claims here that our freedoms have been slashed are unproven. The claims that our democracy is being destroyed, is without foundation, and the idea that federalism is going to retreat to a new era of states’ rights is a fantasy. We are not moving back to the Articles of Confederation, we are not going to give in to the NRA brigands who are only interested in the profits of the gun industry, which supports them and pays their salaries and we are not going back to the rule of the KKK and the White Citizens’ Councils.
     
    So you better get used to the changes coming. The demographic reality is already in place. The profile of the youth in America is less white, less Eurocentric, less male, less, religious and more open to new ideas, communication and openness.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister; So much volume and no content. Liar. You Lose.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of the President:
     
    By the way, for all of you; President Obama has a birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital, all the claims made about his birth have been dealt with, there is no smoking gun from Trump, the Pima County Sheriff and anyone else. In fact, it is settled, except with you paranoid folks. As to his education, he went to Occidental College, transferred to Columbia, and was accepted at the Harvard Law School, was elected, in a blind test to the prestigious position of President of the Law Review, and was praised in print by one of the leading American law professors, Dr. Lawrence Tribe. So the oft repeated claim that “no one saw him there” is stupid and a joke. He was there long enough to graduate and become a professor at the prestigious University of Chicago Law School for ten years. For a person of mixed parentage, raised basically by his grandmother, who had little resources, he did quite well. In fact, aside from his electoral success and his excellent marriage, he did a lot better than almost all of you.

    • boone1

      @the Truth Seeker
       His whole family were nothing but communist and he is not a citizen of the U.S.A you moron

      • the Truth Seeker

        @boone1 Listen Dan’l You wouldn’t know Karl Marx from Groucho Marx. I suggest you go back to the tree, where old Dan’l Boone killed that “bar” (sic) and carve your own name into the bark. Start with the words, “i am an idiot…”

        • boone1

          @the Truth Seeker
           You wouldn’t know what freedom is if it hit you in the face you sorry communist liberal.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @boone1 I am off to dinner and will be watching the Pro Bowl and I have to pay attention to the markets tomorrow. I am amazed that sick, lonely fools have to cite G-d in their cruel and feckless attempt to smear honest folks. Again, your idea of a communist, must include more than half the country. What a squalid and small life you must lead. As to your views, I could care less. But, in the juvenile, hypocritical and moronic way you express your primitive and banal thoughts, I realize that our real problem is here not abroad.

        • boone1

          @the Truth Seeker
           Listen moron i have not used GOD in anything at lest i spell his name out not like you do and i do believe in GOD not like you,you think obama is your god,you can keep thinking all you want.But you and obama can be cut down but GOD can never be cut down.So you see you and obama are the true fools.

        • FrozenStar

          @the Truth Seeker  @boone1 woooo, Truth Seeker… you are so filled with anger and hate for America and Americans.  You sound like Michelle.  You are so “educated” with hate it is pathetic.  You refuse to hear the facts.  That’s no way to spend a life… defending evil.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker The last Birth Certificate Obama put out had the wrong border for the year he was supposedly born there.  The numbers on the Birth Certificate have white inside them and not the same color as the background of the Birth Certificate.  Also there is the problem of the Number assigned to the Birth Certificate, because the exact same number was given to another baby that died at the hospital.  Also his Social Security Number was assigned to Connecticut and I do believe it was to a man who died.  Well, any verifiable facts that can be proven in a court of law?  These have already been proven and are known and yet Congress is silent.  Kind of makes you wonder why he has sealed all records and yes they are sealed when you cannot get anything on a, I think it is called, a freedom of Information request.  Oh well, have a good day.

  • the Truth Seeker

    The fascinating fear, animus and vitriol, which is constantly spewed by “gun” advocates seems to be a reflection of paranoia or a physical inadequacy. Is the gun now their phallic replacement? Are they insecure about their “macho man” image? Do they have normal relationships involving intimacy or is this “love affair” with their “piece” a Freudian replacement of an unfulfilled life of little or no intimacy?
     
    The fact that these “men” complain and squeal when their “weapon” is challenged seems to me to reflect a much more serious problem, reflecting self-doubt and performance failure. The chance of being killed by one’s own gun is incredibly higher than the chance of being a victim. All the statistics reflect that reality. These are not “dream sequence” illusions created in the minds of effete egg heads, who hate guns and John Wayne. No, these are raw stats from the FBI and the ATF.  But, most of our gun lovers do not trust government or their institutions. They only trust their “piece.”
     
    Are these folks really fearful of a tyrannical government? Will these “heroes” be called to defend Americans from an invasion of Sandinistas, or Hugo Chavez infiltrators? Maybe these folks have partially ODed on Rambo films? How about “Red Dawn,” with Patrick Swayze? He seems to be the hero for women in “Dirty Dancing” and on the masculine side for the Militimen and Survivalists among us. Is it the video games, the xenophobic fear of a non-Eurocentric population, or just a psychological dependency on a phallic substitute? I found over a lifetime of activities which included sports, politics and business that the people with the greatest inadequacies and anxieties bolster themselves with a “piece.”
     
    But, of course I could be wrong and this Freudian allusion could be misplaced and not terribly accurate. It could be that these folks are just crazy, members of hate groups, fearful little people and card-carrying members of the lunatic fringe. As to having someone pull a knife on me, it has happened, as to seeing people with drawn guns, I have witnessed it. Frankly, the occasion is incredibly rare and resistance and panic usually result in disaster. The ability of even policeman to shoot straight is questionable. The average citizen, who even has training, is not prepared for an incident, and without constant practice and preparation, would not be up for a proper reaction, no less defense.
     
    No government, in the near term is going to confiscate all guns. Should the government limit ammunition, ban clips with excessive rounds, ban assault semi-automatic weapons, and make background checks on all guns much more severe? I say yes!

    • boone1

      @the Truth Seeker
       Yes you are a sorry A$$ LIBERAL

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker Liar. You Lose.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker Go to Chicago.  Their gun laws are very tough and yet their murder rate is astronomical. 
       
      I guess the following are delusional and paranoid and have phallic problems.
       
      “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” George Mason Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
       
      “Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” George Washington First President of the United States
       
      “The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.” Thomas Paine
       
      “Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” Patrick Henry American Patriot
       
      I have lots more but I think I’ve proven my point which is, if you are truly that dense, that gun ownership is a right that the government has no right to “infringe”.  Have a good day.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @RalphZ
        I read your tripe, bleatings, rationale, fears and idiocy. You and your ilk are dwindling, and I say good riddance. You can quote all sorts or arcane, outmoded, and currently irrelevant writings. The truth is that in the 18th Century, “bleeding” was common and the Father of Our Country was bled to death by the best doctors of his time. Everything even you could imagine has changed and the Framers of that day, no matter how smart they were could not imagine every change that has happened. The country is 20 times larger in size, 100 or more time larger in population, doesn’t have dangerous neighbors and even its Two-Ocean Defense is 70 years out of date.The 2nd Amendment has little relevance here, and it was put in place to keep the anti-Federalist states in the fold. The idea that Madison, or any one else, would want people like you armed to the teeth is a joke.
         
        Paranoid individuals like you can screech and yell about how your rights are being winnowed away. But, you have little or no evidence of your specious, unfounded and unsupported claims. If anything it is the private sector that limits your rights. Your freedom of speech, to vote (expanded hours and days), to pray to any God you wish to, and your freedom of movement and access to information is unlimited. The freedom of association has been expanded, there are less barriers to clubs, to top schools, to Fortune 500 employment, to civil service jobs and to the press. You can sleep who you wish with, and within a few years you could marry your boyfriend. In other eords what the h-ll are you claiming? Name a freedom you have lost. I was not confusing automatic weapons with semis, and the difference today is slight. You still cannot slander people, but on this site and its clones, slander and insults are rife. You have greater access to health care, you have greater access to products from all over the world, and you have a government still elected by the people. Even the conservative Court has broadened freedom of speech to the super rich who fund the Super PACs.  So your complaints are hollow and baseless. As to guns, your 2nd Amendment Right will be adjusted by some court in the future and tough luck. There will be extensive background checks, which will affect only the criminals, the sick and the dangerous, like you and your ilk. Personally I hope they take heavy guns from folks like you. But, I could care whether a family member “offs” characters like yourself. I just hope that innocents are not killed by collateral damage. Meanwhile you can keep your weapons lying around the house and if you or yours gets killed by accident,  less Medicare and Social Security benefits will be wasted on you. As to only honest and noble people buying guns, that’s the biggest laugh of the day. Last year I believe 75,000 felons were denied the right to buy a gun. Thank God! I can just imagine how many slipped through with phony documents, etc.. I can also imagine how many guns have been sold on the gray and black markets to criminals and nuts. Especially the kind like you, who fear the government boogie man. You may not like the appellation, but I regard people like you as nuts. I hope that they pass a law that states that a person who has their gun stolen and it is used in a crime,  makes them also culpable. That threat will make sure your piece is securely locked up.
         
        There are too many guns sold to nuts of the right or the left. The amount of gun homicides, in America, has averaged about 9500 per year for over a decade. In 2009, there were 10, 224 gun related homicides in the US, while there were seven in Japan and 179 in Canada. The most recent statistics for the UK and Germany were 63 and 381. With regards to the rate per thousand, the United States rate is 10 times Australia, Denmark, Spain and about eight times Canada, Germany, Poland and Finland.
         
        Guns should only be permitted one’s own home to protect it and they should be kept off the streets. The Tea Party folks who are supposedly protecting the Constitution and our freedoms by being armed, are either crazy, card-carrying members of the lunatic fringe or are self-delusional. Since the Civil War there has been no attempt to seize the government from within, and there is no example of citizens stopping an outside insurrection or one by the government. All this “chicken little” the sky is falling balderdash is specious talk. By the way, in one of the last years where the FBI was allowed by the right-wingers in Congress to report gun incidents, 80 intruders were shot by people protecting their homes, along with a few hundred reports of intruders being scared away.  That figure pales against 9-10,000 murders. Keep one’s rifles, pistols, and machetes in the home where they belong, then maybe people will only shoot their families. As to the moronic argument about people in the theater being armed, and therefore, they could have prevented this tragedy that is patently ridiculous. One can only imagine 200 people with guns firing at each other. Instead of 12 killed and 58+ wounded, probably hundreds could have been killed or wounded. Even Dodge City and other western towns enforced strict carry laws within municipal limits. That happened over 130 years ago. Statistics on friendly fire killings in police actions and military engagements are appalling. The NRA/Gun lobby controls much of Congress and could care less about the 2nd Amendment. They are only interested in their member’s ability to sell guns. The so-called “Fast and Furious” non-event and fantasy (in the mind of Rep. Issa) has been exposed by the famous “left-wing” (sic) periodical, Fortune Magazine, an organ of Wall Street and big business. But the real truth is that most of the weapons in Mexico and SA, which have armed the drug cartels and others, were made in America and smuggled illegally there by gun dealers here. But keep on playing the blame game.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ Part II
           
          Analysis: Why gun controls are off the agenda in America – CNN.com
          By Jonathan Mann, CNN
          updated 10:14 AM EDT, Mon July 23, 2012
          CNN.com
           (CNN) — What is it about Americans and guns?
          How much time do you have?
          “I can tell you that I don’t think there’s any other developed country in the world that has remotely the problem we have,” New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said after the shooting rampage in Colorado.
          There are an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the United States, making Americans the most heavily armed people in the world per capita. Yemen, a tribal nation with no history of strong central government or the rule of law, comes in a distant second.
          From Washington to the well-stocked shelves of Walmart stores nationwide, guns are regarded in the United States as a commonplace if controversial consumer item for millions of law-abiding hunters, collectors and citizens concerned about their safety. They are also in the hands of thousands of killers too; a Washington-based anti-gun lobby says those guns shoot more than 100,000 people a year. In 2010, there were more than 30,000 deaths caused by firearms when the number of homicides, suicides and accidental deaths are tallied.
          Read: Why has Obama largely steered clear of gun debate?
          America’s collective memory — of the Wild West in the 1800s, the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King half a century ago and the front-page news from last week — is marked time and time again by guns.
          “It’s undeniable,” writes Clayton Cramer, author of “Armed America: the Remarkable Story of How and Why Guns Became as American as Apple Pie.” “Guns are at the center of much of America’s history, its legends, and its horrors.”
          There were guns in America long before the America we know today was even born. Early settlers in several states were required by law to own and maintain weapons as a matter of collective defense.
          By the time the United States was established, its citizens had taken up arms not only against their Native American neighbors but the army of their own king. Their new constitution reflected that in its Bill of Rights, declaring that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
          For more than two centuries, that remained an important but largely overlooked guarantee, subjected to a modest series of controls. But in 2008 and 2010, landmark Supreme Court rulings gave that constitutional right sweeping new power, dramatically diminishing the authority of state and local governments to limit gun ownership.
          Gun-friendly lawmakers have been active, too. Roughly half of the 50 U.S. states have adopted laws allowing gun owners to carry their guns openly in most public places. About as many states have “stand your ground” laws that allow people to kill if they come under threat, even, in some cases, if they can escape the threat without violence.
          The laws are being driven by politics, and the politics are being driven by groups such as the National Rifle Association. Once a relatively modest organization of gun enthusiasts and hunters, it has become one of the most powerful political groups in the country. The Washington Post estimates that the NRA succeeded in helping elect four out of every five candidates it endorsed in the most recent congressional election.
          In addition to that extraordinary impact in Congress, it has been working to overturn gun-control laws in the courts.
          The NRA and other gun-rights groups have allied themselves with the Republican Party and, especially, a sector of the American public suspicious of government intrusions into private life and often flatly hostile to Washington.
          Read Dana Bash: For Democrats, gun politics are bad politics
          “When they tell you that a government ban on certain firearms will somehow make you safer, don’t you believe it, not for a second, because it’s a lie just like the lies they’ve told you before,” NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre told a recent gathering of his members. “Their laws don’t work.”
          Poll results suggest most Americans wouldn’t agree. CNN and Gallup surveys going back years suggest that Americans are split between those who approve of current gun-control laws and respondents who would like to see them made more restrictive. Americans who’d like no controls at all are a small minority.
          But even after the rampage in Colorado, American attitudes and laws aren’t likely to change much. Last year’s nearly fatal shooting of congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords didn’t move her state or federal colleagues to adopt any new gun control measures.
          Both President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney issued statements in the hours after the Colorado shootings, and Sunday, Obama flew to the state to visit with shooting victims and their families. But neither proposed any changes to American attitudes toward guns.
          “You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be president of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country,” said New York’s Bloomberg, who is both a declared “independent” politically and a vocal proponent of gun control.
          America is not unique. Norwegians are marking the first anniversary of a shooting massacre that took the lives of 69 people at a summer camp outside of Oslo. Eight more people were that day killed by a bomb in the Norwegian capital itself. The confessed killer is awaiting the verdict of his trial.
          But America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence. America stands alone in its historic and cultural attachment to guns. America stands armed.
          So you don’t want to pay any more taxes. Isn’t that unique and charming! Most people feel the same way, but they understand that society needs services, services cost money and people deserve raises, or don’t you believe that? Maybe you shouldn’t have a raise, or maybe we should tell the men and women in the Armed Forces that they shouldn’t get a raise, in fact we’re going to cut back on their benefits. You wouldn’t have an army too long.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ 
           
          Part III
          But of course there are tens of millions of Americans that are fed up with you gun worshipers. The above article is just one persons’ perspective. But time is against you.
           
          But, of course you’ve got the answers. You fearful little folks are all the same, simple solutions for simpletons. Maybe you missed the latest statistics on births. By the way, if you did, I’ll clue you in; last year: the live births for whites were 49.6%. So genius the times are changing and no one is going to allow you to re-establish; Jim Crow, segregation, or apartheid. So you better work to be inclusive and assimilate all those people into the mainstream or you and others are going to have a hard time in a divided America.
           
          I am off for other pursuits, please note that I have blocked all new responses on this sight, and have no desire to read your future contributions. So you are now writing for you and the choir you preach to. I’ll wait until the next so-called “Last Resistance” to see whether I am interested. Even the title is a joke.

        • CarlStevenson

          @the Truth Seeker @RalphZ look up “battle of Athens (1946)
          A post civil war example of US citizens taking up arms in opposition to tyranny.
          Then look at Waco and Ruby Ridge and many other examples of government atrocities against US citizens on US soil.
          Consider that Obama asserts that he has granted himself the power to imprison, “disappear, and even murder US citizens at his whim, with no charges, warrants, due process, hearings, or appeal.
          Conside that DHS and other alphabet agencies have recently purchased over 1.8 BILLION rounds of ammo – enough to shoot every man, woman, and child in the country 5 times or more – ammo that’s illegal for military use under international law. Considering that you and I and all of the other US taxpayers are paying for all of this ammo, it’s frighteningly reminiscent of the story of political prisoners’ families being forced to pay for the bullets used to execute them … isn’t it?
          Consider the history of just the 20th century, during which about 262 MILLION people were exterminated BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS. (Government is 5-6 times more deadly than all of the wars look at the democide web page at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html
          I’d you can ignore all of that, you are either a total fool or a quisling.

        • CarlStevenson

          @the Truth Seeker @RalphZ and, your assertion that most of the weapons used by the drug cartels are made in America and smuggled there is absurd and false. The cartels buy full auto weapons by the boatload from China and third world countries. They have armored vehicles, RPGs, and other heavy weapons that can’t be ought here. Fast and Furious was solely for the purpose of cooking up numbers to support a push for more gun bans and restrictions here.

        • FrozenStar

          @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ  Truth Seeker:  well then stop hiding and be honest, Ginsberg.  You don’t need to keep repeating and scratching, we Americans heard you the first time telling the Egyptians that our Constitution is old and no longer relevant.  Now you say Americans are dwindling.  Not so, Ingrate.  Your efforts to damage our Constitution and your support of YOUR ilk Feinstein in ripping our 2nd Amendment will bode no good for you, but you guys never see it coming, do you.  Just keep pushing and scratching and the screech for others to come save your butts. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice… NEVER AGAIN.

      • FrozenStar

        @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker Thank you, RalphZ.  Americans are grateful for those fantastic brave men… and for today’s fantastic brave men who stand shoulder to shoulder with them.  How grateful and lucky we are to have been blessed with such determined good men who designed and created and established this magnificent country.  Nothing like it ever on this planet.  We are truly blessed… and are understanding that the directives in our documents are to be adhered to in protection of our country and Americans by We The People.  Proud that Americans are rousing to the challenge of the Commies and their Useful Idiots.  When we get this mess cleaned up, and we will, the Useful Idiots will either “repent” in shame or run to the northeast to lick their wounds with the original loyalists.  There will be no other way.

      • NelsonM77

        @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker RalphZ it does no good to present false quotes in defense of the Second Amendment. The one you have of George Washington is not real. The Second Amendment will stand on it’s own merits or it will fall to all of our despair, but it must do so on fact and not fiction. That our Founding Fathers put it in place for the last defense of our nation against catastrophic failure of diplomatic discourse, is clearly evident. I find it against all reason to propose that men who had just defeated the world’s largest empire with mostly privately owned firearms, manned by ordinary citizens, would not intend to keep those citizens armed and ready. The idea is utterly preposterous!!!

    • NelsonM77

      @the Truth Seeker What makes people who want to remove American gun rights jump to the ad hominem attacks on anyone who does not see things their way?  My guns are not an extension of my penis, nor are they replacements for intimacy. What my guns represent is my right to defend myself and others against whatever danger may present itself. I am not constantly fearful, yet I am not irresponsible enough to be defenseless either. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that threats to liberty and life come and go from time to time is certainly not embracing reality. Most of your posts are spot on, but in this case, Sir, you have failed.
       
       Right now, our country is mired in political pandering to religious groups that seek to impose their dogmatic faith on all of us. Many of the people in these groups are so deluded by faith that I shudder to think what might happen if they manage to accomplish their goals of dominionism. I’m not terribly worried about this deplorable fate, but I don’t have the faith it takes to deny the possibility of it happening.
       
      I agree that we should have background checks for all firearms purchases, just like the one I had run on me a few months back when I purchased my latest semi-automatic firearm, a pistol that would be considered an “assault weapon” under the proposed new legislation. BTW, I’ve checked my gun daily, so far it hasn’t killed anything at all. I do not think there should be any regulation on these weapons as they are rarely used in criminal actions. Handguns are far more likely to be used in homicides than an AR-15 type gun. Also, limiting the capacity of handguns will do nothing to limit the amount of bullets someone can send out of a gun. Changing a magazine takes just a few seconds with practice.Taking weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens does nothing to prevent crime. It only makes helpless sheep out of them and empowers those that would oppress them.

  • the Truth Seeker

    The Right to Bear Arms has been debated, in many forums and their different arguments have gone right to the Supreme Court many times. We have had legitimate bans on the ownership of machine guns since the 1930’s, when criminal brigands terrorized the Midwest, robbing banks, kidnapping children and out-gunning law enforcement with their superior fire power. The 2nd Amendment sensibly does not seem to apply to machine guns, mortars, grenades, howitzers and every other type of a weapon that can cause massive death and destruction. The argument that people have used, which to me has some currency, is that people either fear for self-defense in their homes, or the remote possibility of a dictatorial takeover. Quite often the example of the disarmed German citizen is cited regarding not only the take over of Germany by the Nazis, but the round up of their victims. The take over of Germany was by election and the electorate. If the Jews, socialists, trade unionists, liberals, writers, gays, Catholic clergy and others had hand guns would their resistance been much more effective? Probably so! But would have it made a difference against the armed might of the Nazis, and would all of those people have had the courage to face death by resisting with isolated actions of armed resistance? I doubt it strongly! Most people were arrested in the early years of the emerging Holocaust and were interned in concentration camps, and percentage-wise few were killed. In fact, many were even released. Therefore, when the real round-ups came, which were done with the express purpose of shipping people eastward for the death camps, few really understood the ultimate consequences. That of course is another issue. (By the way the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were enabled by an armed veterans returning from combat. I would assume that all of you would recommend that our veterans not be allowed home with their M-16’s.)
     
    Therefore, the argument that an armed populace would serve as a deterrent to a totalitarian takeover is a bit specious. With regards to Cain, he could have killed one person (Abel) or another “classmate” with a rock, but, without a gun or an automatic rifle, he would have been quickly overwhelmed. If a person has a rifle in the home, or even a pistol, he would/could use it against an attacker. Unfortunately thousands more have been killed at home by accident or intent, rather than by intruders. A few years ago, when I looked it up, there were about 80 home intruders killed in one calendar year. Again, the amount of gun deaths by accident far outweighed that number. Many NRA supporters cite there were thousands of intrusions warded off by guns and that saved countless lives. That assertion could be quite true. And again, I have no qualms about a trained-licensed individual having a gun in the home for protection. But, if there was an accident, or the gun is used by a child because it was not secured, shouldn’t that parent be held legally responsible? Where were the “dumb” irresponsible parents of the Columbine murderers? Why weren’t they paying attention? Where was Ms Lanza? It was her guns that took her life, the life of her son and 27 innocents.
     
    The argument about the lack of faith, and that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, has been made at various times, and for me it is sophomoric. No one can prevent all killings, but as a responsible society we should try to eliminate the large catastrophic tragedies. Professor Charles Perrow, of Yale, talks about that in his book The Next Catastrophe. He writes that we cannot, as a society, protect everyone, but we should look to avoid the large and devastating “hit.”  Trigger locks work, registering purchases of guns and waiting-periods limits “nuts” and criminals from acquiring guns, and technology should prevent a stolen gun from being able to be fired. The NRA has resisted all of this. I had on my show The Advocates, Richard Feldman, the author of Ricochet, the Confessions of a Gun Lobbyist. You should read his view of Wayne LaPierre and the other brigands who run the NRA. You can access that interview on my site; http://advocates-wvox.com . If you think that the NRA is interested in protecting Constitutional rights over the welfare of the gun and arms industry, I will sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. The NRA is a business, and the business of the NRA is to protect gun sellers.
     
    Unfortunately the 2nd Amendment issue has become at times the critical argument for certain groups in this country. I personally have nothing against hunters and sports enthusiasts owning legitimate hunting rifles and hand guns. But to call hunting a sport, when automatic rifles are used to kill animals is a perversion of the word. It is not sport. Sport should allow the animal to have a chance! But do I care that animals are killed for sport when they are used for food? No! I am a meat eater and have been all my life and I am not a hypocrite. But slaughtering animals for a blood lust sport sort of sickens me. Personally I would like to see hunters reduce the growing amount of deer plaguing Westchester and the meat should be eaten and donated to the food pantries.
     
    We have always have had restrictions on “gun carry” laws and I believed they have to be tightened and the penalty for their abuse should be made more severe. Even Dodge City and Tombstone had arms checked outside the city limits. The simplistic answer by some has been prayer in school. I believe in the “Establishment Clause” and I believe in the “separation of church and state.” Prayer belongs in one’s home, one’s house of worship, one’s street, or when one is taking a test or even shooting a crucial foul shot. But it doesn’t belong in any class room, or to be endorsed or sanctioned by any governmental authority. The Founding Fathers understood that transcendental right, the right of Freedom of Religion, long before they would have known the consequences of automatic weapons being in the hands of maniacs. In my opinion, if they could have possibly envisioned the threat of that type of weaponry they would have made the 2nd Amendment much more restrictive.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker The Japanese did not invade the US because they would face over 60 million civilian gun owners in the US.  Historical fact.  Look at Mexico where they rounded up civilian guns and now you have drug cartels and the supposed good guys that terrorize the civilian population who are unarmed and cannot defend themselves.  Where there is a large gun ownership, there  is less crime for the criminals know they will most likely be killed if they break into a house of an armed person.
       
      Also history does show that when the government has all guns registered, that they normally use these lists to confiscate the guns later on.  It always start with good intentions, but you remember the old saying don’t you?, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”  There is no reason to treat legal gun owners as though they were criminals just because someone might go kill another person. “That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise, or even right. These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him, or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil, in case he do otherwise.” —John Stuart Mill
       
      The US Supreme Court stated that the 2nd Amendment does mean that all citizens have the right to own firearms.  And as far as machine guns are concerned, they are regulated and can be owned by civilians if they pass the background check, and pay the price for the extra “stamp” on their permit.   Also it has been proven over and over that laws do not deter criminals, only the punishment that will happen as well as whether or not they were taught moral absolutes.  All of these actually impact the argument of what to do.  Have fun.

    • boone1

      @the Truth Seeker
       Dude are you one big A$$ LIBERAL OR WHAT ANTI-AMERICA?Tell me what are you.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker Automatic rifles are not used for hunting.  Semi-Autos are used.  I guess you have never gone hunting.  Automatics are heavily regulated and yes civilians can own one but the average citizen will not go to the trouble to own one.  Semi- Auto’s are excellent for home defense and getting rid of them or banning them will not stop criminals.  Criminals do not obey the law, so why should a ban keep them from owning one?  Lawful gun owners are not criminals and if you want to tighten anything up, tighten up the punishments and make it so the criminal cannot make a deal to lighten their sentences.

    • CarlStevenson

      @the Truth Seeker A small group of Jews in the Warsaw ghetto held off a huge force of Hitler’s best troops for over a month with just a handful of weapons.
      The Germans finally had to burn them out.
      Had the masses been armed, Hitler would have still killed a lot of Jews and others, by the Holocaust would have not been nearly so bad.

  • the Truth Seeker

    More on Election Reality: You could secede, but where to? Maybe you could immigrate to Liberia. Their flag has a star and stripes!
     
    Obama First Since Ike to Win 51% Twice, Final Tally Shows
    Friday, 04 Jan 2013 06:16 PM
     
     Barack Obama is the first president in more than five decades to win at least 51 percent of the national popular vote twice, according to a revised vote count in New York eight weeks after the Nov. 6 election. State election officials submitted a final tally on Dec. 31 that added about 400,000 votes, most of them from provisional ballots in the Democratic stronghold of New York City that were counted late in part because of complications caused by Hurricane Sandy.
    The president nationally won 65.9 million votes — or 51.1 percent — against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, who took 60.9 million votes and 47.2 percent of the total cast, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. .(The update tally is now close to a 5 million vote surpus)
    Obama is the first president to achieve the 51 percent mark in two elections since Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, who did it in 1952 and 1956, and the first Democrat to do so since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four consecutive White House races. Roosevelt received 53.4 percent of the vote — his lowest — in his last race in 1944.
    Obama, 51, benefited from political factors that included a lack of serious opposition for his party’s nomination or from well-known third-party challengers, and an absence of social unrest, scandal or foreign-policy disasters during his first term, said Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington.
    “Under the big picture, this was an entirely predictable election outcome,” Lichtman said.
     The president won the popular vote in 26 states and the District of Columbia, totaling 332 electoral votes, or 62 more than the 270 needed to win the presidency. Romney won 24 states with 206 electoral votes. Obama won 365 electoral votes in 2008.
    Congress certified the 2012 electoral votes in a joint session today. Obama will take the oath of office on Jan. 20, a Sunday, and give his inaugural speech at the Capitol on Jan. 21.
    Turnout in this year’s presidential race was about 129.1 million, down from the record 131.3 million four years ago.
    Obama’s national vote total fell by about 3.6 million votes from his record 69.5 million in 2008, when he was elected the nation’s first black president. In that race, he won 52.9 percent — with a victory margin of more than 9.5 million votes over Republican John McCain — amid a financial crisis that took hold at the end of Republican George W. Bush’s presidency.
    The nation’s unemployment rate, 7.8 percent when Obama succeeded Bush in January 2009, rose to 10 percent that October before falling to 7.7 percent last November. Obama is the second president since World War II to win re-election with a jobless rate above 6 percent. The other was Republican Ronald Reagan in 1984.
    “He was able to campaign against the economy back in 2008 because it was Bush’s problem,” Rhodes Cook, a political analyst who publishes a newsletter, said in an interview. “It got reversed. He got stuck with the economy this time.”
    Romney, a former private-equity executive and governor of Massachusetts, failed to parlay voter anxiety about the economy into a victory.
    While Obama’s national vote percentage fell by about 2 points from four years ago, he improved on his 2008 performance in six states, including New York, where his 63.3 percent was the best by any presidential nominee since 1964, and New Jersey, where his 58.3 percent was the best by a Democratic White House hopeful since 1964.
     In just four states — Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — was the winning candidate’s margin of victory less than 5 percentage points, the smallest number of states below that threshold since 1984, when three states were within 5 points amid Reagan’s 18-point victory in the popular vote over Democrat Walter Mondale.
    In 2004, when Bush was re-elected with a popular vote margin of less than 3 points over Democrat John Kerry, 11 states were decided by fewer than 5 points. In 1976, when Democrat Jimmy Carter won the White House and edged President Gerald Ford by 2 points, 20 states were within 5 points.
    The Nov. 6 results underscore challenges for Republicans as they seek an Electoral College majority in 2016 and beyond.
    Eighteen states and the District of Columbia, with a total of 242 electoral votes, have voted Democratic in six straight presidential elections. They include the biggest electoral-vote prize, California, where Obama won its 55 electoral votes with a 23-point win.
    Twenty-two states with 180 electoral votes have voted Republican in the past four elections.
    “You have an electorate that’s very polarized and pretty even, though it’s a situation now though where the Democrats seem to have a little better handle on the map than the Republicans do,” Cook said.
    © Copyright 2013 Bloomberg News. All rights reserved.

    • boone1

      @the Truth Seeker
       Thats because Romney said he was going to put everyone back to work and 51% said like hell you are.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @boone1
        On the same day that Mitt Romney cracked his birther “joke,” new evidence indicated that he and his partners at Bain Capital have used questionable methods to avoid federal taxes – including a scheme that transforms corporate stock into untaxed offshore “derivatives,”  and a practice that converts management fees into capital gains, which are taxed at a far lower rate.
         
        While nobody has asked to see the Republican candidate’s birth certificate, as he said at a Michigan rally on Friday, everybody has a renewed interest in examining the tax returns he continues to withhold.
         
        The complex and tricky tax shelters used by Bain Capital continued to emerge from as lawyers and other experts examined the hundreds of pages of previously confidential company documents uncovered by the Gawker website in an exclusive series this week.  The authenticity of the documents was confirmed by a Bain spokesperson, who said that the company deplores the public posting of its proprietary materials.
         
        In a sense, the latest revelations about how Bain protected its vast income from taxation are scarcely surprising to anyone familiar with the world of private equity where Romney made his fortune, estimated at $250 million or more. Avoiding taxes is among the most important attractions of that industry for the wealthy clients it aims to attract.
         
        But several experts who have looked over the new Bain documents have warned that dubious legal tactics may have been employed by some of the company’s investment vehicles, including several that are listed on the partial returns that Romney has already released. Those experts, such as Victor Fleischer, a law professor at the University of Colorado, and Daniel Shaviro, who teaches tax law at New York University’s law school, have raised questions about both the equity “swap” and fee conversion maneuvers.
         
        Companies like Bain make money both from investment income, which is taxed at the lower capital gains rate, and from management fees, which are taxed as ordinary income like wages. If the firm can somehow transform its management fees into capital investments, then it can avoid the 35 percent top federal income tax rate, and pay the 15 percent capital gains rate instead. That is what Bain evidently does to keep its partners’ taxes low – around the 13 percent rate that Romney admits to paying. But critics like Fleischer say this is an abusive tactic that cannot be justified by law, even though the IRS has never attempted to stop companies that use it.
        “Unlike carried interest, which is unseemly but perfectly legal, Bain’s management fee conversions are not legal,” the Colorado professor wrote on his blog. “If challenged in court, Bain would lose. The Bain partners, in my opinion, misreported their income if they reported these converted fees as capital gain instead of ordinary income.”
         
        Equally troubling is the use of offshore accounts to avoid taxation on stock holdings. This tactic is called a “total return equity swap,” because it involves swapping real equities for derivative paper investments that provide all the same dividends as the stock itself – but aren’t subject to federal taxes. According to Shaviro, this practice was sufficiently blatant to elicit a warning from the IRS two years ago. He wrote recently that those who used it over the past decade “were coming perilously close to committing tax fraud, in cases where the economic equivalence to direct [stock] ownership was too great.”
         
        In the complex territory of tax law, precise boundaries aren’t always clear. What makes the “total return equity swap” potentially perilous for Romney, however, is the use of foreign accounts to avoid taxes, which is what many Americans suspect him of doing. Despite the accounts that he has maintained in Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, Bermuda and other tax havens, Romney’s campaign has repeatedly denied, with little credibility, that his wealth was invested abroad to evade taxes.
         
        The proof may well lie within the tax returns that he is so determined to conceal. Wisecracks about the president’s alleged foreign birthplace may not distract concerned voters from the overseas accounts where Romney’s money has been hidden.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker  @boone1 @the Truth-Twister: Liar. You Lose.

        • braveheart 1

          @the Truth Seeker  @boone1
           It was only a day or so after obama pesented his second forged birth certificate, that we supposedly got bin laden, even though he had been dead since December 2001. No one has ever seen any pictures of a dead bin laden to this day. The bin laden hoax was a convenient distraction to take peoples minds off the real issue of his fraudulent birth certificate.

        • boone1

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @theTHE truth seeker would not know the truth if hit him up side his head at 60 mph.

        • boone1

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @the
           No you all lose you are the A$$-holes that voted for obama not me.

        • Troubleshooter

          @boone1  @the Truth Seeker  @the @boone1: Hey Boone1, Learn how to read these link pointers friend.  I made no comment to you, and I’m not the one to run your mouth at pal.  I didn’t vote for either Obama the Democrap or his sweetheart from the other corrupt party, the Repukeliscums.  You must get your ass beat all the time out of plain stupidity if you can’t even read.

        • boone1

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @the
           Sorry their bud.

        • Troubleshooter

          @boone1  @the Truth Seeker  @the @boone1: Alright Boone1. Accepted, and welcome to the fray.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister:  So, Copyright Infringement is ok with you too, hunh.  Even though you stole the sewage-soaked drivel above from Bloomberg News, You DID violate their Copyright by reprinting without permission.  I forwarded your post to them.  You’re welcome.  Liar.  You Lose.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker You extoll praise on Obama and yet why?  He has shown himself to be a liar, a person who breaks his oath of office, chooses which laws he will uphold and expects the American people to obey all laws.  Shall I go on?

  • RalphZ

    @FrozenStar Agreed.  If these politicians don’t move or do anything, they should be recalled and removed from office because they are the ones who are to “serve” the people, not the other way around.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To  Ralph Z- you are proof pudding why we should dual tracks in school for morons! There is nothing illegal about the Tea Party, just illogical, idiotic and a perfect place for characters like you to waste your money and time.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker Your response has no substance and only name calls.  If that is the best you can do, I know you have no foundation to stand on.  Go ahead and live in your fantasy world but don’t expect people to just accept it without any checking of your supposed facts.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister: So, if you don’t believe that we are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY, then why don’t you just give your religion, (big government) 90% of your income as a tithe to your Socialist God? Liar. You Lose.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker My My, aren’t you the one who assumes.  I guess you don’t know what it does.  I never stated that the Tea Party was illegal but you are the illogical, idiotic person.  If this is the best you can do, I’ll send you a good dictionary and maybe you can learn some good words and instead of trying to tear down people, maybe you will learn to build them up and read what they stand for before you open your mouth.  I would refer you to the first verse in the Bible that I learned, Proverbs 17:28 KJB, but I don’t think you would take it seriously.  Have a good day anyway.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To AGBJr. Well junior what liberties have you lost lately? Let me count the ways: shoot up a super market with an Uzi. swindle some folks out of their life savings, cross at the red, play with yourself in public, date rape, pray in school, sing the Horst Wessel or beat up on immigrants? Flat-earthers beware, Obama is going to take your Hustler credit card and tell your wife.

    • FrozenStar

      @the Truth Seeker  Feminist.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To dopey Carl Stevenson- your folkisms are quite graphic- good taste certainly doesn’t run in your vapid line.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister: Liar. You Lose.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To Icetrout- its cold out there so I am not fishing in the Hudson today, Just watch the Aussie Open finals. Great match. Must give credit to Djokovic, even though he grew up with commies. Of course, its not as fulfilling as watching red neck dog fights, or seeing NASCAR drivers get out and duke it out. But it will suffice for today.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister:Liar. You Lose.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Agbjr Listen Junior I know he works in the Ivy League and has been a professor at Harvard a notorious 3rd rate school. Of course its not like Hillsdale College or the Hoover Institute at Stamford where all the great thinkers hang out, but it did well for him, JFK and FDR other notorious commie stooges. Of course, your alma mater, the CHK, aka the College of Hard Knocks, is where many millions have learned all the essential issues of life and love. It must be great being so paranoid that you have to lock the bathroom door when you micturate.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To RalphZilch- were you born dumb or was it an acquired affliction. The Japanese didn’t invade the US because we had 60 million guns! Of all the incredibly stupid remarks I have heard or read over 6 decades that takes the cake. You out did Sara Palin and her observation of Russian aircraft. You made Governor Perry and Herbert Cain sound like Nobel Laureates. Boy have you won the Golden Goose (egg). Sir you are an idiot. 60 million guns! Woof, we are lucky that that they didn’t have enough men or they may have been in Chicago. Do some reading about their invasion of Malaya and the capture of Singapore. The Brits had plenty of guns also! You deserve the Sunday Clown Award. The editors of this site have to ban you for a week before you soil yourself.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker I guess you can’t disprove me so you call names.  I guess I should do the same but I was taught better.  I’ve answered you and yet you act as a bully.  Go ahead back to your fantasy world.  I’ll stick with the facts.  I might have the amount of gun owners wrong for I’m going from memory, but I’m good with the fact that it was civilian ownership of weapons that kept them from invading.  I’ve also given you an address to go to if you wish.  Have a fun day and my last name is not “Zilch”, nor is it a nickname.  You assume too much and remember what “assume” does.

  • the Truth Seeker

    T0 Ralph Zilch- Zilchmeister- substance, who needs substance when debating a wall? Your remark on 60 million guns was the most laughable remark of the new millennium. I’m going to lunch, don’t be here when I come back.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker  You are a Hoot all yourself.  http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-the-american-mainland-was-not-invaded-during-wwii-or-another-reason-for-preserving-the-second/question-2701341/?link=ibaf&q=What+kept+Japan+from+invading+America+in+World+War+II%3F
       
      In an article in this publication titled The Rationale of the Automatic Rifle, I quoted some oral history from war veteran and career Navy man Bob Menard. I first met him at the NH State Championship of outdoor conventional pistol shooting back in the late Sixties. He won that event and held the title for several years. He had been Virginia State Champion prior to moving to the Granite State. Some years later, Robert Menard was the NRA Counselor who certified my wife and I as a firearms instructor through that organization.
      Bob had told us that he’d been aboard the USS Constellation—he remembered the year as 1960—when he had been part of joint maneuvers conducted with what were by then called the Japanese Defense Forces. Over dinner and drinks, with Japanese and American naval officers talking shop, many of the WWII veterans, the question had come up, why didn’t the Japanese invade what they must have recognized as the wide open West Coast of the United States at the beginning of that war?
      The officer had replied that his country was well aware that there was a high density of armed citizenry in America, even state championships for private citizens in the use of military rifles, and that the Japanese were not fools to set foot in such quicksand. Menard, even then a man committed to Second Amendment rights, naturally kept a vivid memory of the conversation.
      The story has found its way onto the Internet. Now comes one “TSB,” who holds forth on the Internet against Menard, with remarks like the following:
      Historian William Gordon 1.
      “William Pitt, the Earl of Chatham, remained the colonist’s defender in the House of Lords. Shortly after Concord, he urged attempts at peacemaking. ‘(T)he Congress of Philadelphia…do not hold the language of slaves: they tell you what they mean. They do not ask you to repeal your laws as a favor: they claim it as a right; they demand it. They tell you they will not submit to them, and I tell you the (Coercive) Acts must be repealed; you cannot enforce them….My Lords, there are three millions of whigs. Three millions of whigs, my Lords, with arms in their hands, are a very formitable (sic) body. ‘twas the whigs, my Lords, that set his Majesty’s royal ancestors upon the throne of England.’”2
      Pitt’s words fell on deaf ears. England stepped into the quicksand that soon became the Revolutionary War, and came to regret it. A precedent was set that would continue for centuries. From the Viet Cong to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, it has been proven much more recently that peasants with guns and a cause they believed in can thwart the organized might of the world’s greatest military superpowers.
      The Swiss militia and Switzerland’s carefully crafted strategy of being able to seal off their country and make roads impassable by enemy armor in 24 hours had nothing to do with deterring Adolf Hitler from invading? I don’t know how many times TSB has been to Switzerland. I’ve been there twice, spending much of my time in the company of Swiss military men. They are the ones who should know, and they were utterly convinced that it was the obvious hopelessness of invading a country in which every household was not only armed but skilled with state of the art military rifles that kept the Nazi wolf from Switzerland’s door. A true picture of the powerful deterrent effect of the armed Swiss citizenry is seen in the works of Stephen Halbrook and others.
      The same principle works in microcosm. Does anyone believe that 12 million armed Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals would have been herded into cattle cars by Nazis and shipped away for extermination? Closer to home, consider the recent comment by Professor John Lott, the controversial but incontrovertible gun law researcher. “(S)tudies—including a recent one by Rand—show that in high-gun-ownership areas, criminals take more time casing a home before they break in, to make sure nobody is home. The reason they give is because they don’t want to be shot.” 3
      The deterrent effect of an armed citizenry against invaders and tyrants is inescapable to any graduate of History 101. It is confirmed by Logic 101. End of story. Sorry, TSB. That Japanese naval officer had it nailed, and the honorable Commander Menard was right to spread the word.
       
      Have fun and please read some history..

  • pchronister1

    alot of you guys seem very angry.

    • FrozenStar

      @pchronister1 Mad as H*ll and not going to take it anymore!!!!!!

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      You aren’t?

  • Troubleshooter

    @maynard: You are exactly right maynard.  The actual Hebrew Prohibition is “Thou shalt not do murder”.  That being said, I urge anyone who has their spiritual eyes on the Mosaic Law, to seek greater understanding of the New Covenant.  The Old Covenant was given as a means to show us how impossible it is for man to gain righteousness through works.  It is impossible, and, because The Law was a Whole Fabric, to violate even the tiniest principle of The Law makes the violator guilty of violating ALL of The Law, including ALL of the Ten Commandments.   This may be news to many of you, but if you thoroughly study Christ’s Words, and very carefully read all of the Letters from Paul to those desiring to follow Christ, you will see that this is true.  If ANYONE could gain righteousness through adherence to The Law, there would have been no need for Christ.  Furthermore, everytime a person focuses on the guilt-consciousness provoked by The Law, they are taking their eyes of of the Gift, Freely Given by the Lord Jesus Christ.  One cannot follow two masters.  This not only applies to Mammon and Heaven, it applies to The Old Covenant and The New Covenant, or more simply Condemnation or Grace.  Grace is the ONLY means by which anyone may be righteous, and everything needed for us to have Grace has already been given to us.  Even the Faith is not that of ourselves, but the Faith that the Man Jesus had in His Father.  Even so, we are ALL GIVEN a measure of Faith, and it is a greater quantity than the Mustard Seed sized quantity that can hurl mountains into the sea.  How do I know?   Because Christ promised us all things in sufficiency if we but receive His Gifts.  God Bless all of you who are following this thread.  I know that many of us are so frightened and so angry that we feel like everyone who disagrees with us is an enemy against us.  Remember, there is only One Enemy, and his only power over anyone is the power that one gives him by believing his lies.  Blessed Be The Holy and Precious Name of The Lord Yeshua HaMashiach, Christ Jesus, YaHWeH’s Messiah. Amen and Amen.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @Troubleshooter
      Each year approximately 500,000 women worldwide die from pregnancy related causes. Fully 99% of these deaths occur in the 3rd World, where the Bush administration worked to prevent the dissemination of information on family-planning and birth control. The combination of health complications and illegal abortions are the leading cause of death in the world for women in their twenties and thirties.
       
      What of these women? Why did they deserve a “Scarlet Letter” sewn on their chest forever? What about their seducer, their rapist, their incestuous family members, or just their own foolishness. Where was the societal outrage over the causation? Society often excused much of these violations under the hollow canard, “boys will be boys.”  In the more modern age, why were these women excoriated, when upper-middle class and upper class women went to their private physicians and had the opportunity to a private “procedure?” Should these women have given up sex?  
       
      Personally I would never wish to force an abortion or a pregnancy on anyone. I would love to see adoption agencies be able to take care of all of our unwanted and unloved children, assuming a woman wished to carry her pregnancy to term. But unfortunately the reality doesn’t square with those desires. Women need to control the destiny of their own bodies, and no government has the right to force them to carry a fetus from an act, either beyond their control or a flawed judgment at the time. Pregnancy should not be a “sentence” forced by the state on any woman or family!
       
      Many of these same pseudo-moralists who rail against abortion, birth control, and family planning, inside and outside of all of our religious institutions, are often the loudest and biggest hypocrites. Quite often we have been plagued by the problem of sexual abuse and the double standard that surrounds its adjudication? The violation of law regarding sexual abuse of boys and girls is one of our great tragedies, and the immensity of the crimes along with the cover-ups and pay-offs, is almost unprecedented. Where in our history could any institution or business get away with this type of horrible abuse which has affected countless victims throughout our history?
       
      Any chief executive of a company, or an elected public official, with direct knowledge or participation in a “cover-up” of sexual abuse, would face immediate dismissal or criminal charges. But in our society, when it comes to the gross misconduct of religious institutions, the prosecutors and courts have constantly looked the other way as millions of dollars in “hush” money has passed from these same institutions to its victims.
       
      On the other hand, I respect people’s right to religious belief. Therefore, they should practice “what they preach” to others. The hypocrisy amongst religious people is constantly made evident by their own actions. This hypocrisy alone has weakened the role of religion in most people’s lives.
       
      Yes, people, often in a time of stress, anxiety and weakness, turn to religion for moral and emotional guidance and sustenance. No one could deny or denigrate that reality, but has this overall religious experience really changed people?
       
      But what of the historic record of “know-nothingness,” which has been promulgated from our flat-earth thinking, evangelical citizens? Haven’t we learned something over the last century? It would seem that in our modern age these religious folk, who have resisted science and human advancement since the days of Socrates and Copernicus, would have disappeared.
       
      Over the past 3500 hundred years, humankind has been struggling with how to make the law apply within in the marketplaces, the courts, and in the family. One can readily understand the traditional and historical antipathy to homosexuality, prostitution, abortion, free love, divorce and child abuse. Certainly the concept of “be fruitful and multiply” goes back to the “covenant” between Abraham and G-d. The idea of infanticide was anathema to many in the centuries after the Common Era. Obviously today, abortion is considered by many to be infanticide. We have also seen throughout history that humans are inherently weak and many are prone to temptation. Oscar Wilde said, “I can resist everything except temptation,” and he for sure practiced what he preached. That expression sums up what is inherent in many well-meaning individuals. 
       
      But what is, and was, the consequences of patriarchal rule? Women were relegated to a second-class status. They were chattel, property! They were forced into marriages not of their own choice or free will, they were made to suffer loveless unions and to breed children most of their lives until they were no longer able to conceive. Yes, many were placed on virtual pedestals. Many were given secure, protected lives and were treated with love and kindness. But either way, their destiny was never really their own. And, what of the uncounted amount of unloved, uncared for, and abandoned children? What did these children wrought on humankind? What suffering to the world was manifested by their unwanted births? Obviously there are also countless exceptions, and for sure the world has benefited by these individuals. But was the world made incrementally better? No one can tell.
       
      The backbone and foundation of this patriarchal system has been the priesthood (leaders) of most religions. This male dominated hierarchal religious class has created a so-called moral liturgy that sustained and enforced the inferior role of women.
       
      It would be easy to argue that mono-theistic western religion helped civilize, educate, and bring order to a barbaric valueless world. In its most base message all religions teach; right against wrong, good against evil, and justice above tyranny. Our higher laws speak of moral imperatives that quite often transcend the callowness of secular law. But can our standards of today be a captive to thoughts derived thousands of years ago?  My belief is that as time has changed, our values have matured and have been broadened to become more inclusive. Slavery existed in the Bible; do we accept its existence today? Of course not! Homosexuals were stoned in Biblical days, now their right to exist is inviolate under the laws of all Western countries. Religious so-called heretics were burned at the stake for hundreds of years for merely questioning religious practice, no less the existence of G-d. Within the last five hundred years, religious courts of the Inquisition under people like Torquemada tortured tens of thousands of Moors, Jews and other individuals who did not bow and scrape to their philosophy. Religious wars were fought for hundreds of years over the blood-soaked European countryside. Our history is rife and replete with the blood-letting promulgated and abetted through the so-called word of G-d. And of course, this only speaks for the West.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Troubleshooter
        Often the loudest heard today are people like the Jimmy Swaggarts, or phony preachers like the Bakers and their ilk of Elmer Gantry-like religious hucksters. Many of these self-appointed and self-aggrandizing moralists who preach to us have feet of clay and should be carefully watched. What they say should be weighed carefully before it is digested and believed. It never hurts to support and abide by “truth in packaging.” The more transparency regarding hucksters of all types and persuasions is essential. Then again, toleration is important for a diverse society to continue to survive as it works towards an atmosphere of domestic tranquility. The “golden rule” regarding a society’s attitude towards itself is one positive step towards making a balanced, fair, and tolerant atmosphere.
         
        Innately what we should have learned over these countless years is what Lincoln said about slavery, “As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. What ever differs from this, to the extant of the difference, is no democracy.”  Maybe that idea should be extended our attitude on many things including being tolerant and working for answers. It is better to be part of the solution than the problem.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter
          Regarding the subject of abortion, a 1998 detailed study, from over twenty countries, on the causes of abortion, concluded that the common factors cited to have influenced the decision to terminate their pregnancies were: desire to delay or end childbearing, concern over the interruption of work or education, issues of financial or relationship stability, and perceived immaturity. With regards to abortion, even the Roman Catholic Church has had evolving and contradicting teachings until Pope Pius IX in 1869.
           
          The Roman Catholic Church, circa 100 to 150 CE forbade all abortions from The Didache, “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles.” Around 380 CE, the Apostolic Constitutions allowed abortion if it was done early enough in pregnancy, but it condemned abortion if the fetus was of human shape and contained a “soul.”  Saint Augustine accepted the Greek Pagan concept of a “delayed ensoulment.”
           
           He stated, “an abortion is not murder because no “soul” is destroyed. Pope Innocent III (1161-1216) determined that a monk who had arranged for his lover to have an abortion was not guilty of murder if the fetus was “animated” at the time.
           
           Early in the 13th Century, he stated that the soul enters the body as the time of “quickening” – when a woman first feels movement of the fetus. Before that time, abortion was a less serious sin, because it terminated only a potential human person, not an actual human person. Pope Sixtus V (1588) issued a Papal Bull “Effraenation” which threatened those who carried out abortions at any stage of gestation with excommunication and the death penalty. Pope Gregory XIV (1591) revoked the previous Papal bull and reinstated the “quickening” test, which he determined happened 116 days into pregnancy (16.5 weeks.) Pope Pius IX (1869) dropped the distinction between “fetus animatus” and “fetus inanimatus.” In other words the soul entered the body in the pre-embryo at conception. Leo XIII (1878-1903) issued a decree that prohibited craniotomies, an unusual form of abortion occasionally used to save the life of the mother. He issued a second decree in 1886 that prohibited all procedures that directly killed the fetus, even if done to save the woman’s life.
           
          Even up to the 1940′s the mother’s life, during a difficult childbirth was often sacrificed (especially in Catholic sponsored hospitals) for the life of the child. No one cared whether she was responsible for other children, her husband, her parents. My parents who were born over 100 years ago, objected to that practice and I concur with their judgment.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister: Using The Roman Catholic Church as an authority for opinion on abortion is, how did you put it, “the most laughable thing I have heard on this site yet”.  Again I say to you, Satan, I rebuke you in the Blessed and Precious Name Of Christ Jesus.  You have been defeated, and your lies have no power here, AND, Lies are your ONLY power.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker@the Truth-Twister: Fear God and Not Man.  Another way to put that is: Rely On God and Not Man.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Twister:  Yeah, and a long and sorry history of Papal Letters Urges a One World Government Under The United Nations.  Like I said, laughable.

        • NelsonM77

          @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter Truth Seeker, your parents sound like they were very smart people. I concur with their judgment as well on this issue. The church doesn’t care about the woman and the family she leaves behind, they’re only concerned with the blank slate, the malleable mind of the infant that can be indoctrinated to spread the filth of faith.

        • Troubleshooter

          @NelsonM77  @the Truth Seeker @NelsonM77: “WooHoo Hoo.  I am so going to enjoy the manner in which Christ humbles you.  Remember what he did to Paul when he still went by Saul?  The only filth in this world is the filth of everything which is without Faith.  Get Ready.  You better get ready.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Now this religious freak talks to God and quotes what happen to Saul on the road to Damascus. Well clown, there are many folks heading out of Damascus. Why don’t you go on a pilgrimage to where people in the white suits will really appreciate your nonsense, the looney bin!

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker  @NelsonM77 @the Truth-Spoiler:  Hey moron; You talk to God too, you just talk to the wrong one.  By the way, the one you SHOULD be talking to really doesn’t appreciate you being such a good servant of the Loser God.  He gives you a choice.  If you weren’t such a Liar/Loser, you would know that.  Liar.  You lose.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @NelsonM77  @the I do admire your usuallibly  sensible comments but can’t you write without calling people names? Oh yes, I know others call you names BUT you are not responsible for what others do!!

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Supposed Truth Seeker, you are the one who is mean and not at all nice.  You show your fear by your hatred.  I have one bit of advice for you, “A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.” Proverbs 14:16.
           
          You can make fun of someone’s faith, you can demean them but in reality you show your won fear.  I would tell you to think about it but I don’t believe you would, so have a nice day.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 What wonderful truth. There are only a few people on these sites that are vicious and mean and your explantion is perfect for the cause of  the spite malice an hate. Great work!!!l

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77  @the  By the way which God do you think I talk to? Last time I looked we had freedom of religion here. But it seems we’ll always have intolerant clowns like you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77  @the there is only one true GOD and HE is THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR, THE ONE WHO WILL BRING THE WORLD TO AN END, THE ONE WHO WILL BRING A NEW HEAVEN EARTH AND ANEW EARTH INTO BEING FOR HIS PEOPLE WILL LIVE IN FOREVER. All other gods are fakes, are pieces of stone just wood, or maybe marble, or even imagination. but not one of them can move a grain of dirt.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77  @the Turnabout is fair play. The paucity of answers, facts and reason on the far spectrum of the margins of our society (especially the far right) and the plethora of their un-American insults should sicken all of us. Political criticism has a long and varied history from Andrew Jackson through Lincoln and to Obama. But the fanaticism regarding his race, politics, economics, birth and religion have reached new lows. Therefore, calling these folks what they are, has its place.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Listen Zilcho, as the great Harry S Truman once famously said, “If you can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, get out.” You troglodytes who use insult and invective in every baseless and stereotypical charge object to name-calling. That’s a hoot.  I have made fun of no one’s faith, am a great supporter of the “Establishment Clause,” and am opposed to Bible-thumping hypocrites from any religion. The quoting of verse would be hilarious is not so politically irrelevant and insulting.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77  @the My copy of THE WORD OF GOD tells me that there is none perfect, except the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Now if you consider your self perfect, I can see where you are coming from. What I do not understand is how you qualify your self less sinful than the rest of us sinners. GOD does not give you that right. You are right, these people that you say have sinned, did sin and if you do no sin, have never done any sin you may judge them but that, did not happen. THE WORD lies if that is true, and there must be more  people who are perfect. I feel that I am as good a  Christian as anyone else, but I do not deem it my right to condemn anybody else to hell nor to judge, their level of sin. For you to do that, along with your excessive hate for the rest of us  sinners is sin in itself and if you do not do a 180 degree turn about you will pay for it, one day. But if you change and give rest of us, the same rights that you give your self, if you will repent HE will forgive you.
           
          Another thing about the way we live for GOD, so many devoted Christians deem themselves better that other people, taking the place of GOD and judging all others. We need to remember “WE ARE ALL REPENTANT SINNERS IF WE EVEN QUALIFY TO BE CALLED CHRISTIAN.

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @the Which god, Ra, Baal, Allah, Mithras (great story, this one. Just like the story of your Christ, only much earlier), Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. ?  There have been thousands of gods described by men since we developed speech. How pompous and arrogant must one be to declare that they know the mind of such a being, when they cannot even present evidence in support of it’s existence.

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker You laughter is quite amusing. Your threats are so empty and meaningless. There is no god and if your Christ ever existed at all he was just a man who had the extreme misfortune to have believed his own nonsense.
           
          Faith is the downfall of man. It is the absolute abandonment of reason. It is intellectual treason of the highest order. Faith will never be able to provide anything more than comforting delusion. It is otherwise devoid of all value, except it’s potential for negative outcome. The harm that comes from abandoning reason in favor of irrationality is the biggest problem we face today.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter Faith requires no comedian to highlight it’s absurdity, it showcases its ridiculousness in it’s very definition.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @the  Your last sentence is quite complete without the use of the word “other”. Let me correct that for you.
           
          All gods are fakes, are pieces of stone just wood, or maybe marble, or even imagination. but not one of them can move a grain of dirt.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @the I will allow the “others” stay. It is so sad that we, so many of us who will not  allow only GOD judge who of us is better, we just automatically want to place ourselves the best, and not examine the faults that dwells in our hearts, actions and words, as is true with “Truth Seeker!”

      • USPatriotOne

        @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter
         Truth Seeker, you are attemtping to justify MASS Murdering MILLIONS of BABY with the same logic Satans uses!  You confusing health care in 3rd world nation and the murdering of un-born babies.  That’s why on the day of Judgement the blood of 100′s of Millions of Babies will be on your hands and the hands of all the MURDERS LIKE YOUR…!!!  It’s going to really, really, really, hot were you are going.  I am sure Satan has a special place in HELL for Mass Murders like you…!!!

        • the Truth Seeker

          @USPatriotOne  @Troubleshooter Give me a break, and stop hectoring to the world that regards you, and yours, as dopes. Try to get elected on your platform any where in the world outside of the Red Neck deep South. Have a great day, moron! If you don’t like birth control or abortion join a monastery, but go to one that demands a vow of silence.

        • tritanv8

          @the Truth Seeker  @USPatriotOne  @Troubleshooter
           It does not sound like you are a truth seeker at all.

  • Troubleshooter

    @CarlStevenson:  Truth Be Told.  Not only are there plenty of JINO’s, There are plenty of CINO’S (Christians In Name Only) and MINO’S (Muslims In Name Only).  The Voice they listen to is the one that the True Followers Of Christ Jesus recognize as NOT CHRIST.  As to Followers of Christ,  HIS SHEEP know HIS VOICE, and thereby we also know the voice of The Father Of Lies.

  • Troubleshooter

    @the Truth-Twister: Yes. I speak for Jesus.  I am a part of the Body Of Christ.  His Holy Sprit resides within me.  Your lack of familiarity with this concept explains a lot.  No wonder you are so lost.  In the Blessed and Precious Name of Almighty God, Christ Jesus, I pray as Paul prayed, that you receive a personal revelation of the exact and total nature of what Christ Jesus did for you, and every sinner.  I Praise Him and Thank Him for His Faithfulness and Mercy. Amen.

  • spyderdalton

    This is scary… These symptoms are exactly the description of Obama and nearly all in his administration. What’s even worse is, they recommend if you come in contact with someone with these personality traits, that you call your local police dept because they are extremely dangerous !
     
    THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind. (1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything. (2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace. (3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault. (4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed. (5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade. If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! (1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available. (2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands. Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best. (3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the “friends” they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business. (4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don’t tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media. If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won’t try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it. Based on this advise, what if that relationship consist between the people and the government?  What does a country do if it is being controlled by a small group of 535 sociopaths (Congress) which has total control over the freedoms the people have been granted at the birth of the greatest country and born out of the need to escape the very tyranny that is destroying it?  Who does one call if the police and even the military become a part of it?

    • KarolHancock

      @spyderdalton
       God promised us in 2 Chronicles 7:14 “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and will turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.  This is what a person or nation does when they face tyranny that is destroying them and their land.  Pass this to your friends and family so they can join their prayers to the rest us and God will hear!

  • RalphZ

    @Rcmanmc Thank you for the reference and it can be used against Abortion.  The loss of a child by a third party is wrong.  This is what this teaches.  Also a child is given a soul and spirit when they are conceived.  And Yes Soul and Spirit are two different things as pointed out by 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 KJB.  In Ecclesiastes 12:7 we see that the body goes to dust and the Spirit goes to God.  As to the fetus/baby having a soul and Spirit, this is taught in Zechariah 12:1; Isaiah 42:5; Psalms 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:2 – God formed Jacob in the womb; Jeremiah 1:5 – Before God formed him in the Womb and called him before he was born, KJB).  These teach us that  aborting the fetus/baby is killing a person who God is and has formed and given a soul and spirit.  Genesis 9:6 says God will require the blood of murderers because man is made in the image of God.  As Dr. Morris stated, “Regardless of what changes may be taking place in legal and medical practice, abortion is still murder in the sight of God.  The parents, the abortionist, and all who participate in thus denying a helpless infant his right to see the world outside his mother’s womb, will some day have to face him again at the throne of God.”  This is why I believe abortion is wrong.  The only people who profit from this are the men who talk their girlfriends or wives to have an abortion so they don’t have to pay child support.
     
    Yes marriage can be done by a judge but Chaplains are being told that they have no choice and the Church was forced to allow their property to be used for a same sex marriage.  A store in Albuquerque NM was sued and lost for not doing  flower arrangements for a same sex exchange of vows.  They did find them a florist that would do it but these homosexuals decided to take offense and sue the one who refused to serve them.
     
    I don’t buy your arguments. Have a good day.

    • KarolHancock

      @RalphZ  @Rcmanmc Thank you so much for the scriptures.  I always have a problem remembering which I need.   No one benefits from abortion, they will all face God for denying His creation the life He gave them.  Each is special and He has a purpose for each life He gives, therefore, abortion is an act against Him.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @Rcmanmc You are right and our precious children are being slaughtered by the million. More people who can see the evil of this thing should speak out every day. That is one of our duties to the CREATOR f these children.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  Aimee Semple McPherson get off your soap box!
         
        Of course Aimee Semple McPherson wasn’t the first hypocrite, and she herself was not immune to the “temptations of the flesh” which was a “tool” of the devil’s influence over mankind. On May 18, 1926, in Tinstle Town itself, McPherson went to Ocean Park Beach, north of Venice Beach, with her secretary, to go swimming. Soon after their arrival, McPherson disappeared into the surf. It was generally assumed at the time that she had drowned.
        According to the PBS Production of the American Experience:
        At about the same time, Kenneth G. Ormiston, engineer for KFSG, also disappeared. Some believed McPherson and Ormiston, a married man with whom McPherson had developed a close friendship and had been having an affair, had run off together. About a month later the disappearance, according to the story in the papers of that period, McPherson’s mother, Minnie Kennedy, received a ransom note, signed by “The Avengers”, which demanded a half million dollars to ensure kidnappers would not sell McPherson into “white slavery”. Kennedy later said she tossed the letter away, believing her daughter to be dead.
        On June 23, 35 days after her disappearance, McPherson stumbled out of the desert in Agua Prieta, Sonora, a Mexican town just across the border from Douglas, Arizona. She claimed that she had been kidnapped, drugged, tortured, and held for ransom in a shack in Mexico, then had escaped and walked through the desert for about 13 hours to freedom.
        Several problems were found with McPherson’s story. Her shoes showed no evidence of a 13-hour walk– indeed, they had grass stains on them after a supposed walk through the desert. The shack could not be found. McPherson showed up fully dressed while having disappeared wearing a bathing suit, and was wearing a wrist watch given to her by her mother, which she had not taken on her swimming trip. A grand jury convened on July 8 to investigate the matter, but adjourned 12 days later citing lack of evidence to proceed. However, several witnesses then came forward stating that they had seen McPherson and Ormiston at various hotels over the 32-day period.
        There were five witnesses that claimed to have seen Aimee McPherson at a seaside cottage at Carmel-by-the-Sea, which was rented out by her former employee Kenneth G. Ormiston for himself and his mistress. Mr. Hersey claimed to have seen Mrs. McPherson on May 5 at this cottage, and then later went to see her preach on August 8 at Angelus Temple to confirm she was the woman he had seen at Carmel. His story was confirmed by Mrs. Parkes, a neighbor who lived next door to the Carmel cottage, by Mrs. Bostick who rented the cottage to Mr. Ormiston under his false name “McIntyre”, Ralph Swanson a grocery clerk, and Ernest Renkert, a Carmel fuel dealer who delivered wood to their cottage.
        Have times really changed? What is really unique about this story? What is our lesson for today? Aren’t many of us still in the grip of this hypocritical nonsense about sex and the devil? So what is the current reality regarding today’s religious “snake-oil” hucksters? What can be said for these mega-churches with today’s generation of cash-register tele-evangelsists?  What can be said for the Reverend Robert Schuller and his Crystal Palace Cathedral?
        Reverend Robert H. Schuller, founder of the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, has announced that he removed his son, Robert A., from his preaching duties on the church’s weekly “Hour of Power” syndicated TV broadcast. In a letter on the Crystal Cathedral website, the elder Rev. Schuller explains that he and his son “have been struggling as we each have different ideas as to the direction and the vision for this ministry as we move into the future.” As the lack of a unified vision has grown, Schuller felt it necessary to ask his son to step down.
        Citing Ephesians 4, Schuller says that he plans to have guest pastors from other large ministries – including Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church, Kirbyjon Caldwell of Windsor Village United Methodist Church, and evangelist Juan Carlos Ortiz, credited for influencing the revivals currently sweeping Latin America. Walt Kallestad of Community Church of Joy in Glendale, Arizona is scheduled to preach this Sunday. The “Hour of Power” weekly television broadcast has played host to Christian music artists like Matthew West, Laura Story (featured in the above video with Rev. Robert A Schuller) and Phil Stacey, giving them an opportunity to share their testimonies as well as their music with a large television audience.
        And, what can we say about an interview with Schuller’s interview with CNN’s Aaron Brown in the wake of the 9/11 disaster. Brown asked the Reverend Schuller about the remarks by his colleague Reverend Jerry Falwell of the “Moral Majority.”
        BROWN: One religious leader said this yesterday and I just want — give me — just react to it, OK? Here’s the quote, it’s from Jerry Falwell. “I really believe that,” he’s talking about why this happened, he said: “I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, the People for American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, you helped this happen.” That’s what he said. What do you say? SCHULLER: Oh, I don’t want to interpret his comments. I can’t relate to it in a spirit that would probably do justice, and I probably would have to. I’m not going there. I’m going to go to Jesus Christ, because I’m a follower of Christ. And so shocking to me is that not only the Muslims, but many of my Jewish friends respect Jesus Christ, and if we see the God of love in Him, let’s focus on that. I do believe that our country is going to become strong as we come back to God and back to morality. I do think this is going to impact our culture. I think that it’s going to impact the depravity that is in the culture, and that’s I think what Jerry was pointing to. But let’s be positive. Let’s come back to a faith that is positive and loving and caring, so that this caring compassion that we see all over America and in the world today — I have a global telecast, as you probably know, and I’ve been getting telephone calls from Holland, they’re weeping on the telephone for us. And in Germany, and in the Orient, the world is weeping tonight.
        The Reverend Schuller did not want to criticize his colleague’s remarks about how 9/11 came about! It is funny that he has opinions on just about everything else under the sun and in heaven above, but that ridiculous statement seemed to be off limits for him.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ 
           
          Part II
          Shouldn’t we all recall the enlightening story regarding that other stalwart of the “over-the-air hypocrisy hour” headliner, the Reverend Jimmy Swaggart? In his desire to expose his rivals and even his so-called friends and colleagues, the Reverend Swaggart’s zeal backfired on him!
          In 1986, Swaggart exposed fellow Assemblies of God minister Marvin Gorman, who had been accused of having an affair with another pastor’s wife, who was at the time undergoing counseling with Pastor Gorman. Some said this was done out of fear that Gorman was taking away from Swaggart’s audience and donations. Gorman was based in New Orleans and was adding stations throughout the Southern region and was beginning to add stations on the West Coast and in the Northeast. Gorman was also in the planning stages for a weekday telecast. Once exposed, Gorman was defrocked from the Assemblies of God and his ministry all but ended.
          The following year, Swaggart exposed fellow Assemblies Of God televangelist Jim Bakker’s sexual indiscretions and appeared on Larry King Live, stating that Bakker was a “cancer in the body of Christ.” Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Bakker, were at the height of the Praise the Lord Network. He and similarly-minded Baptist evangelist Jerry Falwell investigated Jim Bakker and eventually uncovered his indiscretions. In 1987, Jim Bakker’s ministry was falling apart as a result. Heritage USA was bought by Morningstar Ministries in 2004 and a portion of the property has been refurbished.
          As a retaliatory move, Marvin Gorman hired a private detective to follow Swaggart. The detective found Swaggart in a Louisiana motel on Airline Highway with a prostitute, Debra Murphree, and took pictures of the tryst. Gorman presented Swaggart with the photos in a blackmail attempt to force Swaggart to come clean, but Swaggart refused. Gorman then presented the pictures to the presbytery leadership of the Assemblies of God, which decided that Swaggart should be suspended from broadcasting his television program for three months. The incident was heavily satirized by musician Frank Zappa in a three-song medley referred to by band members as the “Texas Motel Medley”, consisting of three songs by the Beatles with the lyrics changed to reflect the events. While the Texas Motel Medley itself was never released due to copyright concerns, several references to the incident can be heard on the live albums The Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life and Broadway the Hard Way.
          On February 21, 1988, without giving the details of his transgressions, Swaggart tearfully spoke to his family, congregation and audience, saying, “I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God’s forgiveness.”[9] On a New Orleans morning news show four days later, Murphree stated that while Swaggart was a regular customer, they had never engaged in sexual intercourse.
          The Louisiana Assemblies of God initially suspended Jimmy Swaggart from the ministry for three months. The national Assemblies of God soon extended it to their standard year-long suspension for scandalous sexual immorality. Against the ruling of the national governing body of the Assemblies of God, Swaggart returned to his television pulpit after only three months. He stated, “If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell.” Believing that Swaggart was not genuinely repentant in not submitting to their authority, the Assemblies of God immediately defrocked Swaggart, removing his credentials and ministerial license.
          On October 11, 1991, Swaggart was found, for the second time, in the company of another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, when he was pulled over by the California Highway Patrol in Indio, California, for driving on the wrong side of the road. According to Garcia, Swaggart stopped to proposition her on the side of the road. When the patrolman asked Garcia why she was with Swaggart, she replied, “He asked me for sex. I mean, that’s why he stopped me. That’s what I do. I’m a prostitute.” Rather than confessing to his congregation, Swaggart told those at Family Worship Center that “The Lord told me it’s flat none of your business.” His son Donnie then announced to the stunned audience that his father would be temporarily stepping down as head of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries for “a time of healing and counseling.”
          Speaking of these evangelicals and the “Red States” where they exert so much political clout and legislative influence, in the November’s Vanity Fair magazine (please access the following site: http://louisvilledivorce.typepad.com/info/2006/11/red_state_blue.html ) one can read about the “real” national statistics on morality. The “Red States” lead in violent crime, overall crime, divorce, illegitimacy, infidelity, multiple sexual partners, rape, incest, teenage mortality, drug abuse and incarceration. One should ask why?

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ
          No need to worry, we will pay for our own sins, nobody else” We will be forgiven, if we repent and turn our lives around.
           
          If we are so foolish to believe some false statements that is our own fault. HE gave us HIS WORD  to us to read and to know what was right and what was wrong to be able to know when someone is lying.
           
          I read of one man who went to some false worshipers meeting. The leader had the people to walk on hot coals while he watched, no he die not walk on the coals, himself. If I were stupid enough to walk on coals while the leader watched, I believe I would blame myself for being a fool. They do not force anybody to believe that is their choice, but the leader will pay, if he does not repent.

    • SandyTrank

      @RalphZ  @Rcmanmc It is a tragedy what is being “allowed under law” in our country. One thing I know and that is Heaven is a bigger place than we can even comprehend. Those precious little ones are there now and to add the Saints of all who have died from Able to now even is just incomprehensible. Sin is called good and Righteousness is called anything but acceptable to most.

  • USPatriotOne

    I believe Obama is the greatest domestic threat our nation has ever faced…!!!  He’s clearly a Communist, and clearly a Muslim, and clearly a plant in the WH…and Islam wants nothing more than destroy America, along with Communist China, Communist North Korea, Iran and Russia.  People, take note, the 2nd American Civil War will be starting in the next 3 to 6 months, and you better be prepared!  Millions of God fearing Americans blood will run red in the Streets.  Give me liberty or give me death…!!!  John Patrice Henry (A great Patriot).  God Bless America, again!

  • RalphZ

    @Truthseeker you have ridiculed me, you have ridiculed what I wrote, but you never disproved what I wrote.  You are the coward who when they cannot disprove what you say, run away.  I don’t care if you read this but I want everyone to know of your cowardice and your meanness.  I will pray for you.  I will pray that God will close off any influence you have, that he will open your eyes to the real problem you have which is ego and hatred, to name a few.  I do not assume but point to your writings on this very article.  I will also pray that when your time comes he will have mercy on you because Christ had mercy on me. Have a good day for this world might be the only place you do. (John 3:36; Luke 17:10; Matthew 7:21-23 KJB)  Here is one last quote for you, if you ever return. “The Truth is incontrovertible, Panic may resent it; Ignorance may deride it; Malice may distort it; But there it is.” Winston Churchill.

    • CarlStevenson

      @RalphZ Ralph, well said. Here’s a quote from Sam Adams you might want to save to paste in in response to quislings like @truthseeker:
      “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
      the tranquility of servitude
      better than the animating contest of freedom,
      go home from us in peace.
      We ask not your counsels or your arms.
      Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
      May your chains set lightly upon you,
      and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

      • RalphZ

        @CarlStevenson  @RalphZ Thank you for the quote.  I’ll add it to my growing list.  It seems when people like supposed Truth Seeker is confronted with what the writers mean, they get mad and do their best to ridicule you and make fun of your quote or facts.  Then if they cannot get you to get mad and show how asinine you can be and then point to it and claim that you are unreasonable.  I think he should be called “Truth Bender”.  It’s better then calling him the “L” word.  Have a good day and remember, as long as we use the Truth and real facts, these people can’t win.  Especially if they are confronted in a public forum.

        • SandyTrank

          @RalphZ  @CarlStevenson And I might add, there are more of us than of them!

        • NelsonM77

          @SandyTrank  @RalphZ  @CarlStevenson LoL, majority consensus is meaningless without rational discourse to inform the masses. That most of the human race is scientifically illiterate, only impedes the progress of mankind, and places a fog of ignorance on our collective will. Fortunately, though, the march into the future is steadfast, and the superstitious nonsense of religion is falling by the wayside.

  • Troubleshooter

    @the Truth Seeker: Truth-Spurner, times change, people change, circumstances change, and to every thing there is a season; However, Principles, which you appear to be extremely lacking, DO NOT CHANGE.  It was the Principles Of GOD-GIVEN Liberties that the Founding Fathers used as the Skeleton, Flesh, Nerves, Organs, and Skin of the United States Constitution.  GOD-GIVEN.  Without God, there ARE NO PRINCIPLES, only powerless lies of a defeated Satan.  Again, I rebuke you Satan, in the Name Of Christ Jesus, who had defeated you at every turn and cast you out of Heaven into the pit from which you send forth your ridiculous lies.  They, like you, smell of sulfur, and those with clean noses can smell them.

    • NelsonM77

      @Troubleshooter  @the  We don’t need a god to have principals. I have principals and I don’t believe in any god. It’s a waste of time.

      • Troubleshooter

        @NelsonM77: Nelson, your waste of time is in believing in ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOD.  Any principle that does not have its root in God will fail.  Man cannot serve two masters.  God has already defeated the one you serve.  Because I am a follower of Christ Jesus, I have the obligation and the privilege of sharing this with you:  Within 30 days you will undergo a profound change of heart.  I now pray for you as Paul prayed for the congregations:  I pray that you receive a personal revelation of what Christ Jesus has already done for you.  God answers prayers that are consistent with His purpose.  Get ready.  Mark it on your calendar. Make a note.  In the Blessed and Precious name of Christ Jesus, Amen.

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter Got it on my calendar. I have to admit, thought, I don’t expect much. I just want to ask you in 30 days what you think went wrong. But hey, who knows, perhaps you are the one who brings me back into the fold. It’s been over 21 years.

      • SandyTrank

        @NelsonM77  @Troubleshooter  @the The Bible says :the fool has said in his heart there is no God.” The fact is preaching is foolishness to those that perish but to us who are saved, it is the power of God.

  • spyderdalton

    This is scary… These symptoms are exactly the description of Obama and nearly all in his administration. What’s even worse is, they recommend if you come in contact with someone with these personality traits, that you call your local police dept because they are extremely dangerous ! THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind. (1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything. (2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace. (3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault. (4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed. (5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade. If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! (1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available. (2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands. Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best. (3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the “friends” they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business. (4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don’t tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media. If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won’t try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it. Based on this advise, what if that relationship consist between the people and the government?  What does a country do if it is being controlled by a small group of 535 sociopaths (Congress) which has total control over the freedoms the people have been granted at the birth of the greatest country and born out of the need to escape the very tyranny that is destroying it?  Who does one call if the police and even the military become a part of it?  Do not give up your guns to sociopaths…

  • Troubleshooter

    @the Truth Seeker: Truth-Slimer: So there are TENS OF MILLIONS opposed to gun rights.  So what?  There are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS WHO ARE NOT!  The Math makes you a Loser as well as being a Liar makes you a Loser.  Liar. You Lose.

    • http://www.sternresolve.jaycenrigger.com Jaycen

      @Troubleshooter  @the
       Hey man, please don’t feed trolls.  You only make them stronger.  You must know that when someone posts a comment that’s more than a couple paragraphs, you’re the only one wasting your time reading it.
       
      Let’s assume that others read more than just the first couple sentences.  Truthseeker uses and a fallacious argument in that he makes a single baseless point, and then heaps emotional output on top of it to give it merit.  You don’t have to waste your time on the emotional garbage.  Just attack the single baseless point and then LET IT GO.
       
      Otherwise, your responses become as difficult to read as Truthseeker, who is in fact, a liar.  We all know it.  You’re not telling the rest of this group something we don’t already know.
       
      Stick to a point, crush it, and move on.

  • braveheart 1

    I love to feed the trolls!!!You far left liberals can hope for gun control all you want,but it ain’t gonna happen. There are well over 120 million gun owners who will make sure of that!!!!

  • the Truth Seeker

    Today is the 131st  birthday of FDR, one of the greatest Americans who has ever lived.
     
    In the mind of GOP/right-wing, the Depression was a set-back that would have righted itself eventually. According to these revisionists, if the economy were left alone, recovery would have eventually happened As Herbert Hoover said, “Prosperity is just around the corner.” Not only did recovery not come in the forty months of the Hoover Administration that followed the late October1929, stock market crash, but Hoover, in a campaign speech almost three years later to the day, On October 31, 1932, predicted with a Roosevelt victory, “The grass will grow in the streets of a hundred cities.” Well the grass did not grow in the 100 cities under the New Deal!
    As HW Brand has written in his new book on FDR, Traitor to his Class, “Herbert Hoover hated Roosevelt during the campaign, and he hated him even more after the election,” He never really understood what FDR’s landslide victory really meant. He even thought that the slight up-tick in the economy right before the election was a sign that his “patient policies has all but ended the depression, only for the economy to swoon again as a result of Roosevelt’s victory, which frightened investors and made them withdraw from the marketplace.” As Brand, wrote, “Like many other counterfactual claims, Hoover’s couldn’t be disproved.”  Hoover finally came to his senses decades later.  Regarding his limitations on his perspective, Hoover said, “my education was that of an engineer, and I do not know all the nuances of economics.”
     
    Before the Crash of 1929, more wealth was in the hands of fewer people then any other period in our long history. Unrestricted capitalism led to wild speculation in the market places, an eventual credit crunch, and since we didn’t believe in “safety nets” or entitlements, the ensuing collapse devastated our social order. In Arthur M. Schlesinger Junior’s great works, on that period, which include The Crisis of the Old Order, and the Coming of the New Deal much of this history is accurately reported and eloquently described. As in 1929, tax policies from Reagan on, with the exception of the eight prosperous years of the Clinton Administration, favored the rich, have shrunk the middle class, and have concentrated more wealth in fewer hands than at any time since the crash.
     
    The panic and collapse of the economy, brought on by the crash resulted in a massive deflation that President Herbert Hoover called the “Depression.” The New Deal, authored by Franklin D. Roosevelt, stopped the bleeding, but because of the severity of the collapse it could never resurrect the artificially inflated, halcyon days of the 1920’s. Of course present day business -oriented “talking heads” like to say that the New Deal prolonged the slump. Of course they have conveniently forgotten that the 1920’s made the “Techie Bubble” of 2000 look like a walk in the park.
     
    The size of the economic cataclysm is almost hard to perceive. Even though the Department of Commerce listed unemployment at 25% many estimates believe it ranged as high as 36% and the most likely number is probably a bit above 30%. The amount of new capital financing had declined 95% since 1929. The amount of new building contracts had declined by at least 75% in those same years. The Dow Jones Average was off 90% since its high in late 1929, and there were 5000 bank closings since the crash, which eliminated nine million, pre FDIC uninsured accounts. US Steel, which had almost a quarter of a million full-time employees in 1929, now employed no one but executives. Schools in major cities and some states virtually shut down for lack of money. In the first half of 1933, 250,000 homes were taken over by the banks, and over 1000 families per day were cast homeless into the streets. This is what Franklin Roosevelt inherited on March 4, 1933.
    By 1933, business failures had risen almost 50% from the end of 1928 (109 to 154 per hundred thousand). From 1933 to 1935, only two years they dropped to almost 40% from the 1928 levels (62 to 109 per thousand). Unemployment rose from 3% in 1929 to 25% in 1933. From 1933 through 1937 unemployment dropped 44% to 14%. This figure did not include over 2 million workers employed by the WPA. As to the Gross National Product, by 1933 it had dropped from $103.6 billion in 1929 to $56.4 billion in 1933. This represented a loss of 44% of the total goods and services of the country in 3 years. In FDR’s first administration it rose approximately 64% to $92 billion. By 1940, with defense spending still only 22 % of the federal budget (from 1928 through1932, defense spending represented an average of 38% of the US Budget), and 2% of the GNP, the GNP had risen to $101.4 billion or 4% higher than 1928!  Because of the New Deal, hourly wages which had dropped from 58 cents per hour in 1928 to 49 cents for hour in 1933 (a drop of approximately 25%) rose 74 cents per hour in 1940. This represented a strong recovery of 28% from 1928. These figures are undeniable.
     
    FDR took bold decisive action in the Hundred Days, and fifteen pieces of major legislation passed. The hemorrhaging of the banking crisis ceased, stability was brought back to the market places, and the NRA which came out of the National Recovery Act was the first of many regulatory efforts which would eventually include, the SEC, the AAA, the CCC, the PWA and the WPA.
     
    The argument over debt is specious. When there is a national emergency: The Crash, the Great Depression, WWII, The Cold War, and the Great Recession, we need spending, and ignoring revenue enhancement from the 1% is ridiculous. The 1%, represented by Paul Ryan and his acolytes, wants to exempt the top 400 billionaires and the 1% from helping out. They are paying the lowest taxes in American history, and the “debt issue” is on their backs, not the elderly, the shrinking Middle Class and the poor.

    • agbjr

      @the Truth Seeker Once again a liberal attempts to rewrite history with half-truths. The extremely delicate economic recovery of early 1932 collapsed with the onset of Roosevelt’s inauguration and New Deal policies. The New Deal centerpiece, the National Industrial Recovery Act, was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1935 and has thus been considered a complete policy failure by serious apolitical historians. The continuation of other New Deal policies – especially increased taxation and support for openly militant labor unions – led to the collapse of another delicate recovery in 1938. Beginning in 1940 the economy began to stabilize from increased industrial production of war materials and military contracts. The US economy remained stable through World War II but again collapsed with the cancellation of war contracts in late 1945 and conversion to peacetime production.
       
      In 1961 newly-inaugurated President Kennedy was faced with a lingering recession and sluggish economy. He ignored the partisan advise of those around him and called to the White House the one person he knew who would give the soundest business advice without partisanship or special agenda: former President Herbert Hoover. Kennedy listened to Hoover’s advice to lower tax rates and work with business leaders rather than politicians and economic theorists. To the upset of Democrat leaders Kennedy took the advice of Republican Hoover and the economy not only righted itself but continued to grow. Kennedy never hid his admiration of Hoover and told any who would listen that Hoover had been given a raw deal by Roosevelt and the media.
       
      Check your history carefully and dig deep for you will find the truth is not the popular myth.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @agbjr
        As HW Brand has written in his new book on FDR, Traitor to his Class, “Herbert Hoover hated Roosevelt during the campaign, and he hated him even more after the election,” He never really understood what FDR’s landslide victory really meant. He even thought that the slight up-tick in the economy right before the election was a sign that his “patient policies has all but ended the depression, only for the economy to swoon again as a result of Roosevelt’s victory, which frightened investors and made them withdraw from the marketplace.” As Brand, wrote, “Like many other counterfactual claims, Hoover’s couldn’t be disproved.”  Hoover finally came to his senses decades later.  Regarding his limitations on his perspective, Hoover said, “my education was that of an engineer, and I do not know all the nuances of economics.”
         
        Bob Schlesinger, the son of the late FDR biographer, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., wrote, Barack Obama, according to today’s Times, has studied FDR’s first 100 days, seizing on the idea that Roosevelt had a “conversation with the American public.” This is both smart and foreseeable—but he needs to recognize his and the strategy’s limitations. To understand why, ask yourself how often FDR gave his famed fireside chats. The answer may surprise you. It’s smart because of the obvious historical parallels—a Democratic president taking office at a time of economic crisis and accompanying national psychological distress. It’s foreseeable because Obama’s speech-giving skill is his greatest asset.
         
        Another right winger chimed in with these remarks: The first thing that FDR did was to move us to a socialistic type of government with the confiscation of gold. Who would of thought that it would be illegal to own your own real money (gold) in the land of the free? I suppose any comment on the turnaround from the depression would have to be that we bombed those Axis industrialized nations into oblivion that would have been our competition in the world in a gigantic war. Having thus done that we proceeded to be most prosperous nation on the face of the earth for around 30 years. After that we decoupled our money from any real standard. If what we have to look forward to is history repeating itself, look out! Here comes WW-III…. Oh let’s not forget BHO can communicate real nice. That gives me a warm fuzzy.
        On a side note to Mr. Schlesinger, I think it is a shame that you get paid to give your opinion because of your last name and not talent.
         
        Note how it has been ingrained in many people’s minds that without World War II the Depression would have never ended. Does that mean that the $350 billion spending for the war, which was 5.5 times the total spent by the New Deal in 7-8 years, was the amount that should have been allocated by the government for the recovery? Somehow the right-wing wants it both ways. On one hand they decry the spending and the effort of the New Deal, and on the other hand they assuredly feel that we needed greater spending!

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr
          Before the Crash of 1929, more wealth was in the hands of fewer people then any other period in our long history. Unrestricted capitalism led to wild speculation in the market places, an eventual credit crunch, and since we didn’t believe in “safety nets” or entitlements, the ensuing collapse devastated our social order. In Arthur M. Schlesinger Junior’s great works, on that period, which include The Crisis of the Old Order, and the Coming of the New Deal much of this history is accurately reported and eloquently described. As in 1929, tax policies from Reagan on, with the exception of the eight prosperous years of the Clinton Administration, favored the rich, have shrunk the middle class, and have concentrated more wealth in fewer hands than at any time since the crash.
          This period of “wonderful nothingness, which is what the 1920’s has been variously described, ended with the fall of one of its great characters and swindlers, Richard Whitney and the Bull Market in late October of 1929.
          The Dow Jones Average had hit a high of on September 3, 1929, at 381.17. The market had been a bit shaky throughout the fall. Richard Whitney (1888-1974), who had graduated from Groton and Harvard, as did Franklin D. Roosevelt, but was admitted to Pocellian, unlike the late President, was a Wall Street legend. He was a member of the New York Stock Exchange at age twenty-three, was elected to the Board of Governors at thirty-one, and was the head of his own investment company. He was the mirror of the “old guard” of the New York Stock Exchange, which was a loose group of wealthy investors who crafted and guided its direction and destiny. As the leader of this group and at that time in the fall of 1929, he was a Vice-President of the Exchange and its acting President. At the beginning of the Panic on “Black Thursday”, October 24, 1929, he moved on the floor in the midst of the selling frenzy, and placed huge orders in an attempt to bring confidence back to the marketplace and to try to stem the avalanche of selling. He placed an order for 10,000 shares of US Steel at 205, which was 40 points above its current selling price. He also placed other orders for his group in a number of other blue-chip stocks. These orders were estimated to be in the range of $20 million. No one in history had ever spent that type of money in a single afternoon. Of course since he was associated with the House of Morgan, many traders assumed that Morgan was behind such incredible action. This legendary effort seemed to work for a while, and the market, which had dropped precipitously, seemed to take pause. That day over 12.9 million shares had changed hands and the market had lost an incredible amount of its value. Over the weekend investors thought over the situation and decided to sell their holdings and the market absorbed a record 13% loss in value. This set the stage for its ultimate collapse. On “Black Tuesday”, October 29, 1929 the selling reached a historically un-reached crescendo. The losses were incredible and with record 16.4 million shares traded, the market lost another 12%. The market crash had wiped out an incredible amount of wealth. It would eventually bottom out at 41.22 on July 8, 1932 to a level not seen since the 1800’s. By April of 1942 it would have lost 75% of its 1929 value and the Dow Jones Industrial Average would not recover to its 1929 levels until November of 1954. Richard Whitney would still represent the “old guard” as its spokesperson. He served multiple terms as its President from 1930 onward and would be a frequent witness in front of Congressional Hearings until 1935. Because reform elements had indicated he would be opposed fore re-lection in 1935, he chose not to run again. Ironically, he was a terrible manager of his own money. He borrowed from friends and investors by using the name of JP Morgan as his assumed backer. It was estimated that he had borrowed over $30 million and by 1938 he declared bankruptcy and owed over $6 million personally. He was indicted, and pled guilty to misuse of funds and spent three years and four months of his five-to-ten year sentence in the Big House at Sing Sing.
           
          The panic and collapse of the economy, brought on by the crash resulted in a massive deflation that President Herbert Hoover called the “Depression.” The New Deal, authored by Franklin D. Roosevelt, stopped the bleeding, but because of the severity of the collapse it could never resurrect the artificially inflated, halcyon days of the 1920’s. Of course present day business -oriented “talking heads” like to say that the New Deal prolonged the slump. Of course they have conveniently forgotten that the 1920’s made the “Techie Bubble” of 2000 look like a walk in the park.
           
          Many seem to have forgotten or have totally ignored the disaster that we faced in 1933. After three and one-half long years of inaction from the Hoover Administration that left us an enduring and unending legacy of breadlines, shanty towns (Hooverville’s), hobos riding the rails, abandoned farms, beggars, apple selling retailers on the streets, unemployment in the tens of millions, social unrest, starvation, and a net loss of population, as more left America then immigrated, we were mired in an economic situation unlike any in history. What we learned quickly from that era was that state’s rights solved few problems, and that the south, which was almost completely in ruins, embraced the New Deal with the most open of arms. State’s rights sustained “Jim Crow” laws which kept African-Americans, and white tenant farmers uneducated, impoverished, and certainly regarding Blacks, unable to vote. State’s Rights enabled a dictator like Huey Long to run Louisiana like his own private fiefdom. State’s right’s allowed workers, women and children to be abused by unscrupulous employers as wage slaves. Even with the great centralized power FDR and the New Deal would bring to Washington, it would take legislation like the Wagner Act of 1935, and the rise of unionization, decades to reverse much of the state’s rights abuses of both its minority citizens and its workers. Therefore without the enhanced federalism of the New Deal, the country may have faced a greater threat to its unity than even the Civil War posed.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr
          The size of the economic cataclysm is almost hard to perceive. Even though the Department of Commerce listed unemployment at 25% many estimates believe it ranged as high as 36% and the most likely number is probably a bit above 30%. The amount of new capital financing had declined 95% since 1929. The amount of new building contracts had declined by at least 75% in those same years. The Dow Jones Average was off 90% since its high in late 1929, and there were 5000 bank closings since the crash, which eliminated nine million, pre FDIC uninsured accounts. US Steel, which had almost a quarter of a million full-time employees in 1929, now employed no one but executives. Schools in major cities and some states virtually shut down for lack of money. In the first half of 1933, 250,000 homes were taken over by the banks, and over 1000 families per day were cast homeless into the streets. This is what Franklin Roosevelt inherited on March 4, 1933.
          By 1933, business failures had risen almost 50% from the end of 1928 (109 to 154 per hundred thousand). From 1933 to 1935, only two years they dropped to almost 40% from the 1928 levels (62 to 109 per thousand). Unemployment rose from 3% in 1929 to 25% in 1933. From 1933 through 1937 unemployment dropped 44% to 14%. This figure did not include over 2 million workers employed by the WPA. As to the Gross National Product, by 1933 it had dropped from $103.6 billion in 1929 to $56.4 billion in 1933. This represented a loss of 44% of the total goods and services of the country in 3 years. In FDR’s first administration it rose approximately 64% to $92 billion. By 1940, with defense spending still only 22 % of the federal budget (from 1928 through1932, defense spending represented an average of 38% of the US Budget), and 2% of the GNP, the GNP had risen to $101.4 billion or 4% higher than 1928!  Because of the New Deal, hourly wages which had dropped from 58 cents per hour in 1928 to 49 cents for hour in 1933 (a drop of approximately 25%) rose 74 cents per hour in 1940. This represented a strong recovery of 28% from 1928. These figures are undeniable.
          FDR took bold decisive action in the Hundred Days, and fifteen pieces of major legislation passed. The hemorrhaging of the banking crisis ceased, stability was brought back to the market places, and the NRA which came out of the National Recovery Act was the first of many regulatory efforts which would eventually include, the SEC, the AAA, the CCC, the PWA and the WPA.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr
          More evidence of how the New Deal saved the country and rescued capitalism from itself.
           
          The goal of the WPA was to employ most of the unemployed people on relief until the economy recovered. Its administrator, Harry Hopkins testified to Congress in January 1935 why he set the number at 3.5 million, using FERA data. At $1200 per worker per year he asked for and received $4 billion.
          “On January 1 there were 20 million persons on relief in the United States. Of these, 8.3 million were children under sixteen years of age; 3.8 million were persons who, though between the ages of sixteen and sixty-five were not working, nor seeking work. These included housewives, students in school, and incapacitated persons. Another 750,000 were persons sixty- five years of age or over. Thus, of the total of 20 million persons then receiving relief, 12.85 million were not considered eligible for employment. This left a total of 7.15 million presumably employable persons between the ages of sixteen and sixty-five inclusive. Of these, however, 1.65 million were said to be farm operators or persons who had some non-relief employment, while another 350,000 were, despite the fact that they were already employed or seeking work, considered incapacitated. Deducting this two million from the total of 7.15 million, there remained 5.15 million persons sixteen to sixty-five years of age, unemployed, looking for work, and able to work. Because of the assumption that only one worker per family would be permitted to work under the proposed program, this total of 5.15 million was further reduced by 1.6 million–the estimated number of workers who were members of families which included two or more employable persons. Thus, there remained a net total of 3.55 million workers in as many households for whom jobs were to be provided.”
          The WPA employed a maximum of 3.3 million in November 1938. Worker pay was based on three factors: the region of the country, the degree of urbanization and the individual’s skill. It varied from $19/month to $94/month. The goal was to pay the local prevailing wage, but to limit a person to 30 hours or less a week of work.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr
           The “right wing” of this country always seems to trash the rights of the many for the rights of the few, by hiding behind “original intent.” Again the Framers had no understanding of the modern world that would come about. As Franklin Roosevelt said, “out of this modern civilization, economic royalists carved new dynasties…The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the Government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody’s business.”  (FDR’s speech accepting re-nomination to the Presidency, June 27, 1936.)
           
          Also in his Second Inaugural, the late President said, “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” (Second Inaugural, January 20, 1937)
           
          Little really has changed in the minds of many of the old and new critics of the New Deal. But, did we go back to unrestricted capitalism, and therefore trash the SEC, NASD, and the Securities Laws of 1933, 1934, and 1940, wages and hours, child labor laws and the like? No, thankfully! Should we go back to the great enduring capitalistic legacy of the “Triangle Shirt-Waste Fire?” Or maybe we should trash the reform legacy of Ida Tarbel, Upton Sinclair, Sinclair Lewis, and others who revealed to the public the abuses of private capital and power. Meanwhile how many judges did the “economic royalists” own? How many of them came from the bosom of private capitalism and the world of property? (Thankfully Holmes, Brandeis, and Cardozo didn’t!)
           
          The new president has to face another generation of problems that has come out of an era of greed and profit without a concern for economic sustainability and resiliency. In a sense this all goes back to the real legacy of Ronald Reagan. It is hard to believe that Reagan, who voted for FDR all four times he ran for president, would place a picture of Calvin Coolidge in a place of honor in his office. What had Reagan really learned? Interestingly, as much as Reagan seems to replicate Calvin Coolidge more than Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush seems to have done the impossible. He seems to have replicated Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.
           
          Hopefully when Barack Obama takes the oath on this coming Tuesday, January 20, 2009, he will be able to convey, in his own way and style, the same confidence, vision, thoughtfulness and leadership FDR expressed on March 4, 1933. FDR’s remarks on that famous day conclude my thoughts.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr Satan can also be a “silver tongue devil” when he wants to be. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJB)  FDR did put us on the path to socialism with Social Security and putting Government in charge of it instead of the individual being responsible for it.  Facts are facts.  Also you are wrong in that the spending for WWII was necessary unless you wanted to be speaking German now and have a government that was so amoral that it deemed killing those it claimed were responsible, (scapegoats), a service to the people.  Yet it seems from some of the comments you have made, you believe the same thing.  Am I wrong?  Remember I do have what you stated to my comments on file.  Have a nice day.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker You ignore the unarguable fact the centerpiece of the New Deal was the NIRA. In striking down the unconstitutional NIRA the Supreme Court effectively gutted the New Deal which from that point on was nothing but an abject failure.
           
          On a personal note: In 1937 my grandfather’s family business fell victim of Roosevelt’s New Deal government regulations and high taxation. My grandparents lost their business and with it their income, soon also their home. My grandfather was able to find work as a painter for an office building management firm but  it meant moving from a comfortable suburban house to a cold-water railroad flat in the city. My father, then a very impressionable thirteen, never forgot what he called the family’s Raw Deal from the New Deal. Although my grandfather remained a loyal unionist and Roosevelt supporter my father swore he would never put his faith in a government that claimed it would take care of your needs if you would just trust it to. Dad was right. He hated FDR and New Deal socialism till the day he died.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr Tough luck! That was a fetching story. Your family lost its meal ticket and the country was saved. What a trade off. Looks like it worked, The New Deal’s reforms and institutions have lasted until the modern era. I guess a picture of Herbert Hoover hangs over your connubial bed. You and your half-sister must love that the Great Engineer looks down upon you both. Who cares about your phony sob story. You’d rather have the legacy from old grandpappy agb the first kicking economic buck than the country survive. Your progenitor must have been in a pretty high tax bracket to be affected. Too bad. It didn’t affect my grandfathers and they lived and had businesses through the Great Hoover Depression.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr Seeker, did your grandparents do what was legal or did they do what the Kennedy’s do?  Also you are definitely a hater.  The above proves it by your unfounded accusations and insults.  Shame on you.  But you do give comical relief.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker How dare you? My father firmly adhered to the principles of the Founding Fathers and honored the Constitution. He served freedom and OUR Republic through four years of war in the Pacific and carried shrapnel from the beaches of Okinawa in his legs for the rest of his life. How dare YOU, an obviously indoctrinated fifth columnist, besmirch the memory of a true son of liberty? You’re a sick sonofabitch.

        • agbjr

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker “RalphZ”., your intercession is appreciated. Frankly, if I could at this moment forget I am a Christian and beat the crap out of that obnoxious ass I would. I temper myself by remembering honorable and honest persons can debate respectfully however only those without scruples or proper values and upbringing resort to personal diatribe and broad insults.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr Get a life you nut case. You trash Democrats, you hate FDR, who is revered here and abroad, and you accuse me of trashing your dadio. Who the h-ll cares what fables and invented history you spew. Who could really trust you. I deal in ideas not family fables about the Founding Fathers. The last refuge of a scoundrel is patriotism. The Founding Fathers are your Beacon?They would retch at your idiotic and foul thoughts.
           
          In my long life, and my parents,grandparents, my children, my nieces and every person I have ever met never mentioned the Founding Fathers except on the Washington Birthday sales. Cut your phony indignation, it stinks to high Heaven. Get a life and stop pontificating what a hero and defender of America you are. Your arguments are a disgrace.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr Seeker, I guess from the above you never learned a lesson that most children learned before the First Grade. “A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.” Proverbs 18:24.
           
          Also to never hear about the “Founding Fathers” except on Washingtons Birthday, then you were never in a good “Government” history class that most schools had in what is now called middle school.  A shame.  But then again, what do you expect from a public education, at least that is what I think you had.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker Just as I said, a sick sonofabitch … and a communist-lover to boot. I will no longer lower myself to respond to your disgusting retorts.
           
          Parting shot: Coolidge and Hoover were loyal to the Constitution … and their marriage vows. On both matters Franklin Roosevelt failed miserably.

        • RalphZ

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker agbir, I understand how you feel.  I realized one thing, it was what my Grandpa Moore taught me.  To laugh at someone who hates you, is worst then beating them to a pulp.  To meet them with facts and Truth is worse then using a whip on their backs or a cane on their buttocks.  I keep Proverbs close because it gives me comfort and a way to reply.  Here’s a good one to remember, “A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.” Proverbs 19:5.
           
          God judges and he does give them a lot of rope before he deals out justice.  this is why America still exists, because God is patient but one day he will say “Enough!”.  Have a good day.

        • agbjr

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker “RalphZ” … thank you.
           
          “In the end it is between you and God.”
           
          Blessed Mother Theresa

        • Hunkle

          @RalphZ  @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  
          This I know God & His Son Jesus Christ will see all of us who put all of our trust in Him & put our trust in His Holy Word.
          I see this sick sin we’re getting for the the boys in the hood in DC but I know our God is bigger we win thry loose. Yet we must pray as never before & always look up holding to That Unchanging Hand of our True God thanks for the return note all of Gods Blessing into each of your family Ken

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker Don’t worry about the “Truth Seeker” He seeks but if he finds he does not know what to do with it. He is not responsible for his foolishness. He has no idea what the truth is, wouldn’t recognize it if he met it face to face.

        • CarlStevenson

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr agbjr … don’t let “TruthSeeker” get your goat.  He’s a cranky old “fellow traveller” of the left.  He’ll never admit that FDR was a socialist tyrant (and the primary impetus to term limits).  He’ll never admit that FDR LOVED Stalin (he referred to hi as “Uncle Joe” and proclaimed him a “fine fellow’ as Stalin was murdering about 40 million in Russia and the Ukraine).  FDR also admired Mussolini and his fascist regime, wishing he could get away with more of that stuff here.  FDR denied McCarthy’s TRUE accusations of communist agents in FDR’s government (later PROVED true when the Venona Project was declassified.  J Edgar Hoover KNEW because he was privy to the decrypted Soviet cables, but couldn’t tell FDR because he knew FDR would let the Soviets know we’d broken their crypto and we’d have lost a huge amount of critical intelligence)
          There’s a LOT about “TruthSeeker’s” idol FDR that many Americans don’t know. They only “know what ain’t so” as Regan said, because that’s all theyve been fed by the revisionist “history” taught in our mass indoctrination centers the left calls public schools.

        • ConnieStanson

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  If you think Democrats are better than the Republicans Your Dead wrong. They are both equal. Neither side is worth the time to even spit on. and as far as calling the person a nut case just proves you Democrats don’t know your A$$ from the hole in the ground. You are an idiot. I’ll bet no one in your family ever even went to a war. I know from the sound of it, you never did.. Your a heartless  misfit and one day you will be paid back.

        • agbjr

          @Hunkle  @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker Thank you “Hunkle”; your concern and reminder I must keep His Holy Word is acknowledged and sincerely appreciated. Blessings.

        • agbjr

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Dearest Evermyrtle, I hoped you would come forward … you never disappoint when truth must be told. Thank you for keeping us all on the Straight and Narrow. I must say (this is true) when I was about to loose my temper on here I remembered your postings and immediately thought, “I can’t, Evermyrtle will be upset!” As always I pray Blessings for you and yours.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @agbjr Get real clown, i was in grade school 60 years ago, and I majored in American History in college.  Frankly most people are not in a twit over how the president deals with the Teapublicans and the lunatic fringe. I know you folks are having a stroke over pocket vetoes, etc. Go to it. If anything you dopes ought to be concerned on how Bush 43 cooked the WMD books and got us into a $2 trillion war without funding it. But rave on McDuff!

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr Seeker, again you “assume”.  I’m not a clown and it does not seem you majored in American History unless it was a biased history.  Whereas the WMDs that were reported in Iraq, does 500 shells filled with Sarin binary agents meet WMD definition?  I would say so and the 18 wheelers that left Iraq with a cargo that was never explained.  There is more to Iraq then you and your ilk would surmise.  Have a good day and I pray that one day soon, the LORD will open your eyes.  I also pray it won’t be too late for you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Thank you, so much, the best compliment that I have ever had! Most people call me self-righteous or some such thing but I won’t let that stop me from speaking the truth. I’m afraid if I live long enough I will have to pay. That is alright just so they leave my family alone.That is what I pray for!! I feel very humble and unworthy.

        • FrozenStar

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr   High Heaven?  What is that, and what sensor would be up there smelling what you say is stink?  You say Who the hell cares?  You are reaching out for help, validation, answers.  You attest to age, to your parents and grandparents not mentioning the Founding Fathers… which means they didn’t talk to you much, did they… were there family get to-gethers for Independence Day picnics and parade watching?  If not, how did your kids feel about no 4th of July stuff and did you carry on the no-conversation motto of your elders?  It is clear you are full of pain and anger about your life experiences which formed the carryover to your kids and family… you can break that, and HELP your kids so they don’t have the same pain as you when they are older.  You can call your kids to your side and tell them about your growing up, feeling alone, not being seen by your family/parents, having to figure out things on your own based on visuals not words.  Tell them you are so sorry for carrying that over to your own family.  Tell them you love them.  Ask Christ to help you.  Pick up a Holy Bible and read it yourself.  Start with the new testament and Jesus words.  Don’t miss it, it’s NOT too late.  You can have beauty in your life and soul to remove the pain and frustrations.  PLEASE PLEASE.  You are a child of God who loves you very very much and knew you before you were in the womb growing.  God said that in the Bible.  You are not coming to an end, but to a change… and you are now choosing your route.  Please ask Jesus to help, forgive you your sins and help you have love in your life and for your kids, and joy in heaven for all of your family, with you.  Nobody writes like you do unless they are hurting.  There is a way to be healed.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ@agbjr  You are a clown and they are still looking for WMDs.
          Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam’s regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, “Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon.” At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: “We don’t have anything to hide, so we’re giving you all the details.” At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, “We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don’t think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing.”[113] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[114]
          Chemical Weapons Recovered
          On June 21, 2006 the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of a small number of degraded chemical munitions in Iraq. The report stated that “Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.” However, all are thought to be pre-Gulf War munitions.[115]
          These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction, according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. “These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee. The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, though agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said.[116]

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ@agbjr  You are a clown and they are still looking for WMDs.
          Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam’s regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, “Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon.” At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: “We don’t have anything to hide, so we’re giving you all the details.” At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, “We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don’t think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing.”[113] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[114]
          Chemical Weapons Recovered
          On June 21, 2006 the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of a small number of degraded chemical munitions in Iraq. The report stated that “Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.” However, all are thought to be pre-Gulf War munitions.[115]
          These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction, according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. “These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee. The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, though agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said.[116] Read it twice!

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ@agbjr Who says you are not a clown? Is there someone else but you? I’m astounded and chagrined
          Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam’s regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, “Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon.” At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: “We don’t have anything to hide, so we’re giving you all the details.” At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, “We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don’t think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing.”[113] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[114]
          Chemical Weapons Recovered
          On June 21, 2006 the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of a small number of degraded chemical munitions in Iraq. The report stated that “Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.” However, all are thought to be pre-Gulf War munitions.[115]
          These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction, according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. “These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee. The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, though agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said.[116]

        • ConnieStanson

          @agbjr  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker your an ass !

        • ConnieStanson

          @agbjr  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker I would not be upset. and I’m sorry for what  I said. I thought you were someone else. Please forgive me.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @ConnieStanson  @agbjr  @Evermyrtle Coonnie, I am not sure you are illiterate, but is it  “your an ass, or you’re an ass”? Did you miss that lesson when you graduated from “grammar” school. It is in “grammar” school where folks learn grammar.

        • Evermyrtle

          @ConnieStanson  @agbjr  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker All is forgiven, no harm done!

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr That is not the report I read and the one I read was not classified at the time.  I don’t know if they ever classified it or just shredded it.  Oh well, it does not matter.  Also the report I read did not state any Mustard agent weapons mixed in with these shells.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  Seeker repeating oneself several times with the same reply is a bit redundant.  And I’m not a clown.  I would call you one but in all truthfulness I can’t.  People call you worse and that actually makes me pity you more.  I do hope you have a good day.

        • fisherjmj

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr
           Why did you leave out the Fox Bat jets that were uncovered in the Iraqi desert?
           
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
          Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

        • Whackajig

          @the Truth Seeker  @ConnieStanson  @agbjr  @Evermyrtle
           truth, yore an azzhole…………. is that better?

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker
          Your are not saying that the “The Truth Seeker” has a silver tongue? Actually his tongue is laced with venom and ignorance of GOD and HIS WORD.

    • Troubleshooter

      @the Truth Seeker @the Truth-Stomper:  FDR was the greatest OPPORTUNIST of his time, next to H.L. Hunt.  Everything the SOCIALIST  FDR did was because of the VAST SUMS of wealth that poured into Washington D.C. in the form of revenues which arose from the Oil Boom started at the Spindletop Well just outside Beaumont Texas.  The entire world was changed by the Economic power flowing from the oil field under that well.  FDR, a Chicago Way-type opportunist, used the massive funding surplus which came out of that oil boom to reward his political friends and punish his political enemies, just like your boyfriend Obutthole.  Just the knowledge that there was an estimated 20 Billion Barrels of oil in that field was enough to give him the power and money at his disposal to buy three terms in office.  He took all of that surplus money and launched Social Programs that created the trend which has produced a Socialist Nation.  Most people don’t know this, but only 25% of the oil in that field has actually been extracted; the rest is still there.  In addition, changes to technology in the last 10 years have produced the circumstances and the industrial capacity to exploit what is to come.  The United States, within the next two to three years, will experience an economic boom, already underway, which will completely eclipse everything we have experienced in the past.  There are currently more than 20 energy fields now available in the U.S., each of which has available reserves of oil and natural gas in useable, extractable volumes in excess of 20 times per each of the 20 different fields, of that which arose from Spindletop.  Right now, natural gas in Asia and Europe sells for about 4 times what it does in the U.S.  We have a glut here because until just recently, there was no cost-effective and profitable way to exploit natural gas to those markets.  Now, we are able to liquefy natural gas, and tankers and explort terminals have been developed which make it possible to market our surplus to the natural gas starved markets in the rest of the world.  Again, just because a Socialist President is in the right place at the right time, and because he is as equally (if not more so) corrupt and megalomaniacal as FDR was, we are going to see the 95% who are living in abject poverty in this country right now because of the inexcusable and unforgiveable mis-management of our economy by the government, provided with a quality of life that is equal to and perhaps greater than the current upper middle class has.  Not because he deserves any credit for the circumstances and the boom which will provide them, but just because he is in the right place at the right time, and because he is smart enough to employ whatever tyranny necessary to achieve the power he is after,   I am happy and relieved for our economy, but I dread the tyranny which will accompany it.  Corruption and Tyranny will destroy our nation, but thank Almighty God, Christ Jesus will rectify the wrongs.

      • RalphZ

        @Troubleshooter@the Truth Seeker@the FDR not only passed Social Security in 1935 but he also had certain conditions placed in it that future Presidents and Congress’ have ignored.  First, Social Security was just suppose to be a safety net to provide for a roof over the head and food, not so you could live in “comfort” till you died or for you if your parents died.  You were expected to do something for your retirement and Social Security was not meant to be the entire retirement. The Social Security Number was not suppose to ever be used for an identification number.  It was just to be used to identify the account you had and so you would also know how much you had in it.  But the Congress’ of the past have stolen from this money to the point there is none.  We are to blame as are the Politician for squandering our future.  So I say, take away the rich retirement of the Politicians and make them live on what they saved and the Social Security payments.  See if they still want to steal from those that have made plans for their later years.  Remember the true words that were spoken,
         
        “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” —Thomas Jefferson
         
        It is our choice to do what is right, not as the government demands but as what is right and true to our nations founding.  If we don’t, we do not deserve this country and deserve the government we have elected.

        • Troubleshooter

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @the @RalphZ:  The poverty in this country has been caused by the greed of the Ultra Wealthy combined with the corrupt power hunger among politicians.  The nature of Socialism is not to rescue the poor, but to use them as an excuse to generate huge pools of funding to be stolen from.  If the Socialists would get out of the way and let the free market work, the reasonable revenues that would be generated, along with the increase in gainful employment and tax revenues would within not too long a time return this country to a great standard of living for even our poorest citizens.  Many who were working full time before this recent collapse were not earning enough to pay the bills.  This was strictly because of greed.  I don’t know if you read my comments about the coming economic boom, but it IS truly going to generate so much revenue into government coffers, from reasonable taxes, that poverty CAN be eradicated without really placing the burden of that funding on the few.  The wealth for our nation that is within our borders will eclipse the economies of Asia and Europe.  The energy available in our fields is basically 20 x 125% of what came out of Spindletop.  The problem we face is that this boom is likely to make Obama look a whole lot better than the best we ever had; not the he deserves ANY credit for anything except being an able manipulator, and that of a totally immoral nature.  The problem is, he is going to be touted as the author of the boom, when at best, if he is very careful, he may complete this term.  There will be a clamor to keep him, but I don’t think it will fly.  I hope not.

  • spyderdalton

    We really need to stop calling each other names and defending wrong doing using examples of others that wronged.  What ever happened to two wrongs don’t make a right? Well, George Bush did this, George Bush did that…  That is a stupid argument.  We need to realize that America is being controlled by 535 people that are raping the treasury, reaping the benefits, diverting attention and using the media as a propaganda machine to divide the nation into war on American soil.  Understand the corruption that is infesting Washington and spread the word of unity.  It is washington we must fight, not each other!

    • spyderdalton

      Their greatest weapon is division people, get a clue.  Denial is the enemy.

    • SandyTrank

      @spyderdalton You are absolutely right! There is more name calling and hateful comments than I care to see. That’s why I don’t come here as often. I am sick to death of few Jew hating persons and their comments. Many of them I remember and don’t even bother to read what they have to say cause I don’t care what they have to say because they have already lost their credibility with me. Thanks spyderdalton for telling it like it is. We already know who wants to divide us and I for one won’t listen or read any of their comments.

      • SandyTrank

        @spyderdalton And by the way, I am not Jewish. I am a born again Christian and love all people even fools but I don’t have to put up with their foolishness!

    • the Truth Seeker

      @spyderdalton Huh! Where did you dream that tripe up? Have you been reading too much science fiction? You should get out once in awhile and see where the millions upon millions of upper middle class Americans live and work. Most are doing very, very well. Go to the Baltimore PIke between Wilmington and Philly, go to Palm Beach County, Upper Montclair, Westchester, Orange County, and hundreds of other places. They have benefited from low taxes supported by the Reaganites for 30+ years. What has been the results? Well, infrastructure in decline,  a great divide between between upper and lower middle classes, high service costs, especially education, and a budget stretched by two unfunded wars and a very expensive military.  That’s the profile of the discretionary budget. On the other hand the budget funded by payroll taxes, supports Medicare and Social Security for everyone. Unfortunately, the large demographic, baby boom generation bubble has to be dealt with!

  • pchronister1

    so true!

  • RalphZ

    @the Truth Seeker I haven’t seem many call him a racial slur, but I have seen many call him names and several belong to him.  A Destroyer and denier of the US Constitution.  An Abuser of the Bill of Rights and Separation of Powers.  I disagree with him because he has proven himself these as well as a liar.  Yes he talks a good game but as for his policies and the doctrine he truly espouses, I disagree with.  I do not judge a person by their race, that is genetic and they have no choice in that.  I will allow the Bible to judge a person by their religion. If the bible states they are wrong, then to me they are wrong and I will disagree with a person’s religion also when it shows itself to be murdererous or tries to shut down anyone who disagrees with them by force, then I will stand against them and judge them with the same judgment they show to others.  Have a good day and remember,
     
    “The people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities… If the next centennial does not find us a great nation… it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.” —James A. Garfield
     
    As far as I’m concerned, these words have been proven true.

  • the Truth Seeker

    To the Elmer Gantry’s, Jimmy Swaggarts, and Aimie Semple McPhersons on these sites.
     
    Of course Aimee Semple McPherson wasn’t the first hypocrite, and she herself was not immune to the “temptations of the flesh” which was a “tool” of the devil’s influence over mankind. On May 18, 1926, in Tinstle Town itself, McPherson went to Ocean Park Beach, north of Venice Beach, with her secretary, to go swimming. Soon after their arrival, McPherson disappeared into the surf. It was generally assumed at the time that she had drowned.
    According to the PBS Production of the American Experience:
    At about the same time, Kenneth G. Ormiston, engineer for KFSG, also disappeared. Some believed McPherson and Ormiston, a married man with whom McPherson had developed a close friendship and had been having an affair, had run off together. About a month later the disappearance, according to the story in the papers of that period, McPherson’s mother, Minnie Kennedy, received a ransom note, signed by “The Avengers”, which demanded a half million dollars to ensure kidnappers would not sell McPherson into “white slavery”. Kennedy later said she tossed the letter away, believing her daughter to be dead.
    On June 23, 35 days after her disappearance, McPherson stumbled out of the desert in Agua Prieta, Sonora, a Mexican town just across the border from Douglas, Arizona. She claimed that she had been kidnapped, drugged, tortured, and held for ransom in a shack in Mexico, then had escaped and walked through the desert for about 13 hours to freedom.
    Several problems were found with McPherson’s story. Her shoes showed no evidence of a 13-hour walk– indeed, they had grass stains on them after a supposed walk through the desert. The shack could not be found. McPherson showed up fully dressed while having disappeared wearing a bathing suit, and was wearing a wrist watch given to her by her mother, which she had not taken on her swimming trip. A grand jury convened on July 8 to investigate the matter, but adjourned 12 days later citing lack of evidence to proceed. However, several witnesses then came forward stating that they had seen McPherson and Ormiston at various hotels over the 32-day period.
    There were five witnesses that claimed to have seen Aimee McPherson at a seaside cottage at Carmel-by-the-Sea, which was rented out by her former employee Kenneth G. Ormiston for himself and his mistress. Mr. Hersey claimed to have seen Mrs. McPherson on May 5 at this cottage, and then later went to see her preach on August 8 at Angelus Temple to confirm she was the woman he had seen at Carmel. His story was confirmed by Mrs. Parkes, a neighbor who lived next door to the Carmel cottage, by Mrs. Bostick who rented the cottage to Mr. Ormiston under his false name “McIntyre”, Ralph Swanson a grocery clerk, and Ernest Renkert, a Carmel fuel dealer who delivered wood to their cottage.
    Have times really changed? What is really unique about this story? What is our lesson for today? Aren’t many of us still in the grip of this hypocritical nonsense about sex and the devil? So what is the current reality regarding today’s religious “snake-oil” hucksters? What can be said for these mega-churches with today’s generation of cash-register tele-evangelsists?  What can be said for the Reverend Robert Schuller and his Crystal Palace Cathedral?
    Reverend Robert H. Schuller, founder of the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, has announced that he removed his son, Robert A., from his preaching duties on the church’s weekly “Hour of Power” syndicated TV broadcast. In a letter on the Crystal Cathedral website, the elder Rev. Schuller explains that he and his son “have been struggling as we each have different ideas as to the direction and the vision for this ministry as we move into the future.” As the lack of a unified vision has grown, Schuller felt it necessary to ask his son to step down.
    Citing Ephesians 4, Schuller says that he plans to have guest pastors from other large ministries – including Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church, Kirbyjon Caldwell of Windsor Village United Methodist Church, and evangelist Juan Carlos Ortiz, credited for influencing the revivals currently sweeping Latin America. Walt Kallestad of Community Church of Joy in Glendale, Arizona is scheduled to preach this Sunday. The “Hour of Power” weekly television broadcast has played host to Christian music artists like Matthew West, Laura Story (featured in the above video with Rev. Robert A Schuller) and Phil Stacey, giving them an opportunity to share their testimonies as well as their music with a large television audience.
    And, what can we say about an interview with Schuller’s interview with CNN’s Aaron Brown in the wake of the 9/11 disaster. Brown asked the Reverend Schuller about the remarks by his colleague Reverend Jerry Falwell of the “Moral Majority.”
    BROWN: One religious leader said this yesterday and I just want — give me — just react to it, OK? Here’s the quote, it’s from Jerry Falwell. “I really believe that,” he’s talking about why this happened, he said: “I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, the People for American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, you helped this happen.” That’s what he said. What do you say? SCHULLER: Oh, I don’t want to interpret his comments. I can’t relate to it in a spirit that would probably do justice, and I probably would have to. I’m not going there. I’m going to go to Jesus Christ, because I’m a follower of Christ. And so shocking to me is that not only the Muslims, but many of my Jewish friends respect Jesus Christ, and if we see the God of love in Him, let’s focus on that. I do believe that our country is going to become strong as we come back to God and back to morality. I do think this is going to impact our culture. I think that it’s going to impact the depravity that is in the culture, and that’s I think what Jerry was pointing to. But let’s be positive. Let’s come back to a faith that is positive and loving and caring, so that this caring compassion that we see all over America and in the world today — I have a global telecast, as you probably know, and I’ve been getting telephone calls from Holland, they’re weeping on the telephone for us. And in Germany, and in the Orient, the world is weeping tonight.
    The Reverend Schuller did not want to criticize his colleague’s remarks about how 9/11 came about! It is funny that he has opinions on just about everything else under the sun and in heaven above, but that ridiculous statement seemed to be off limits for him.

    • the Truth Seeker

      Part II
       
      Part II
      Shouldn’t we all recall the enlightening story regarding that other stalwart of the “over-the-air hypocrisy hour” headliner, the Reverend Jimmy Swaggart? In his desire to expose his rivals and even his so-called friends and colleagues, the Reverend Swaggart’s zeal backfired on him!
      In 1986, Swaggart exposed fellow Assemblies of God minister Marvin Gorman, who had been accused of having an affair with another pastor’s wife, who was at the time undergoing counseling with Pastor Gorman. Some said this was done out of fear that Gorman was taking away from Swaggart’s audience and donations. Gorman was based in New Orleans and was adding stations throughout the Southern region and was beginning to add stations on the West Coast and in the Northeast. Gorman was also in the planning stages for a weekday telecast. Once exposed, Gorman was defrocked from the Assemblies of God and his ministry all but ended.
      The following year, Swaggart exposed fellow Assemblies Of God televangelist Jim Bakker’s sexual indiscretions and appeared on Larry King Live, stating that Bakker was a “cancer in the body of Christ.” Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Bakker, were at the height of the Praise the Lord Network. He and similarly-minded Baptist evangelist Jerry Falwell investigated Jim Bakker and eventually uncovered his indiscretions. In 1987, Jim Bakker’s ministry was falling apart as a result. Heritage USA was bought by Morningstar Ministries in 2004 and a portion of the property has been refurbished.
      As a retaliatory move, Marvin Gorman hired a private detective to follow Swaggart. The detective found Swaggart in a Louisiana motel on Airline Highway with a prostitute, Debra Murphree, and took pictures of the tryst. Gorman presented Swaggart with the photos in a blackmail attempt to force Swaggart to come clean, but Swaggart refused. Gorman then presented the pictures to the presbytery leadership of the Assemblies of God, which decided that Swaggart should be suspended from broadcasting his television program for three months. The incident was heavily satirized by musician Frank Zappa in a three-song medley referred to by band members as the “Texas Motel Medley”, consisting of three songs by the Beatles with the lyrics changed to reflect the events. While the Texas Motel Medley itself was never released due to copyright concerns, several references to the incident can be heard on the live albums The Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life and Broadway the Hard Way.
      On February 21, 1988, without giving the details of his transgressions, Swaggart tearfully spoke to his family, congregation and audience, saying, “I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God’s forgiveness.”[9] On a New Orleans morning news show four days later, Murphree stated that while Swaggart was a regular customer, they had never engaged in sexual intercourse.
      The Louisiana Assemblies of God initially suspended Jimmy Swaggart from the ministry for three months. The national Assemblies of God soon extended it to their standard year-long suspension for scandalous sexual immorality. Against the ruling of the national governing body of the Assemblies of God, Swaggart returned to his television pulpit after only three months. He stated, “If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell.” Believing that Swaggart was not genuinely repentant in not submitting to their authority, the Assemblies of God immediately defrocked Swaggart, removing his credentials and ministerial license.
      On October 11, 1991, Swaggart was found, for the second time, in the company of another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, when he was pulled over by the California Highway Patrol in Indio, California, for driving on the wrong side of the road. According to Garcia, Swaggart stopped to proposition her on the side of the road. When the patrolman asked Garcia why she was with Swaggart, she replied, “He asked me for sex. I mean, that’s why he stopped me. That’s what I do. I’m a prostitute.” Rather than confessing to his congregation, Swaggart told those at Family Worship Center that “The Lord told me it’s flat none of your business.” His son Donnie then announced to the stunned audience that his father would be temporarily stepping down as head of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries for “a time of healing and counseling.”
      Speaking of these evangelicals and the “Red States” where they exert so much political clout and legislative influence, in the November’s Vanity Fair magazine (please access the following site: http://louisvilledivorce.typepad.com/info/2006/11/red_state_blue.html ) one can read about the “real” national statistics on morality. The “Red States” lead in violent crime, overall crime, divorce, illegitimacy, infidelity, multiple sexual partners, rape, incest, teenage mortality, drug abuse and incarceration. One should ask why?

      • Evermyrtle

        @the Truth Seeker With so much hard work, page after page after….of nonsense I hope that GOD will show the truth soon, BUT it seems more like you are trying to brain wash the rest of us with twisted explanations of GODS WORD. You cannot be saved by putting other Christians? down. You must work to improve your own relationship with GOD. Instead of judging others you need to judge yourself, and not forsake your own relationship with GOD

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle Are you for real? I am sorry to hear  about your concerns and worries, but I deal in the real world, not the metaphysical. You should read more about Joan of Arc. She heard voices and was burned. Of course, times have changed and we don’t really burn people like yourself. Usually Miltown and its later derivatives are prescribed.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker Sorry to disappoint you but my ego is fine, I know I am a sinner and I know that as long as I am striving to do HIS will and teaching with love, I am safe. I am not worried about anything I am ready to accept HIS will for me in all things. the future looks horrible, but I know I am in HIS care and am ready to bear what HE will have me to bear. If it is to die for HIM I just ask HIM that I can die gracfully, not kicking and screaming against HIE decisions.
           
          Are you hearing voices?? That would be GOD trying to show you the truth that you are refusing. If you were really a disciple of GOD you would not be mean ant hateful of all people but yourself and your own. By the way do you have you have your family under your subjection like your are trying to put us???

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle  I frankly have no concerns about your ego, super-ego, current mindset or anything else. This is just an effort to tweak you folks. It is an effort to expose you religious zealots and intolerant flat-earthers. if you don’t regard yourself as either, so be it. But, you certainly add to the clanking echo of mindlessness that is well rooted in the radical right.
           
          As it has been said before in battle, “Praise the Lord, but pass the ammunition.” We are neither in a foxhole or a battlefield and there is far too much ammo being passed in this country.If like Joan you believe in divine intervention, so be it. I am not an atheist, but for sure I believe that our destiny is our own.
           
          You folks love the Constitution, as if you know it. You folks worship at the feet of the Framers and Founders, as if this is the 18th Century, and you folks seem to have forgotten all the history in between. All right wing radicalism has to be countered by rational and intellectual confrontation. The modern world should have no toleration for anti-science, flat-earth, faith-based nonsense, promulgated by those who know better and only seek financial hegemony.

        • Whackajig

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker
           seeker is just an afraid little person who wishes to demean others.

        • Whackajig

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle
           In order to “tweak us” you must be more intelligent or have more info than we have.  Psssssst……….. you fail.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Whackajig  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker He is the one that Satan educated very well in how he wanted the WORD OF GOD presented and an ego that matched his training. His ego really swamps my little punt ego. He thinks he can win with  one of the most vicious, demeaning   tongue in existence. Best ignore him. Who on earth would take the time to read these miles of twisted trash.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Seeker, your ignorance is showing again.  No Christian believes in the Flat earth. (the earth is round – Isaiah 40:22).  As for intolerance, I find more intolerance coming from you then any others.  Yes they call you names but they more times then not answer you.  But you show ego and insolence in your answer as well as the attitude of, “you better listen to your betters”.  You have not proven what you call the radical right is wrong but have belittled and complained.
           
          We believe int the US Constitution because it was founded on the Mayflower Compact, the Bible, and several other documents that teach the rights of all men. 
           
          Your last statement gives away your intolerant attitude.  I get tired of people who claim they are better then others because they have this or that degree.  People who disagree with yo are not “radical right wing” people and do not believe the way you do.  To show intolerance for those that disagree with you, proves our point.
           
          Hope you have a good day.

    • Evermyrtle

      @the Truth Seeker Your ego needs watering down, badly.

  • RalphZ

    @the Truth Seeker My name is Ralph not Zilch. Nor am I a a cave dweller on the coast of the Red Sea. I’m not the one who left nor do I feel any heat from you, only coldness and hatred that seem to flowing from you. As to making fun of someone’s faith, you do.  Swaggart did not represent my faith.  He is a fallen preacher and he was tossed out when his sin was revealed as he should have and as far as I Know he did not accept his punishment to be placed under a mentor until he truly showed in his works his repentance.  I’ve lost track of him and don’t really care for God will take care and judge him.
     
    How about this from First Supreme Court Justice John Jay, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty—as well as the privilege and interest—of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”  He should have known what the First Amendment really meant and he would have known the way the First Amendment is used today is wrong.
     
    When you claim verses are irrelevant, and insulting you are denigrate their faith.  You don’t realize that to a Christian, real Christians, base the way they live by what God’s Holy Word, the Bible, says.  We have the right to quote verses and if someone believes they are insulting, I say they must have something that the verses irritates and don’t like them.  I really don’t care if it insults someone or hurts their feelings because Obama has insulted me and hurt my feelings by lieing to me and others.  Oh well, so is the way of at least the majority of politicians.  Have a nice day.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @RalphZ Zilchmeister, you are mired in the 18th Century. I suggest the next time you send a message, send it by horse. While you were at it, when you have a cold, get your red “neck” blood drained to remove the vespers. Maybe the next time you need a cheeseburger, go out behind your house, get your musket, shoot a muskrat, skin it and then kneed your own bread, bake it and you’ll have a muskrat burger. Why not, it was shot with a musket. By the way, Costa Gravas, “Z” you are a clown. Wear that appellation proudly.

      • Evermyrtle

        @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ If your seeking the truth, here is a tiny bit of advice, before the rip others to shreds take a look at your own spiteful , hateful, mean spirit and take it to GOD. That is where the truth in, not in downgrading others, especially those who are so much closer to GOD than you are. By your vicious words you are not winning any laurels from GOD nor from man. The first thing you should have learned in your quest for “TRUTH” is how to get along with your fellowman, then he may listen to what you have to say. As little as you think of us and as much as you think of yourself, there is much work to be done in your own life, you must get your life in line with GOD before you can get us lined up for HIM and with HIM.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker You are wasting your time with that one, until he discovers he is not GOD, after all. You can immediately, as soon as he begin to speak. He is far too proud of what he doesn’t know, but thinks he does. My advice is ignore him. You don’t want my advice? I can understand that, sometimes I wonder about it very seriously. Let us see how how our Truth Seeker will come back at me this time.

      • RalphZ

        @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Evermyrtle, I treasure your advice.  Seeker reminds me of a Math Professor I had.  On the day we had a midterm, which I aced, but he marked one wrong because I did not do it exactly the way the book said to do it.  I did it in less steps.  I asked him to show me where my way would not work.  I had done every problem that required that formula in the book my way and always came up with the correct answer.  I did not tell him I had done all the problems on the test my way and then recopied it the books way except one.  He refused with pride and arrogance of a man who had several PHds and I had none.  I got into a rush to get the test in and forgot one.  When I left the school, it was a thunderstorm and rain was coming down in proverbial buckets.  I saw him standing by his car just staring down.  No umbrella, no raincoat.  I went over to see what was wrong and he had a flat.  In fact that is what he told me and then went back to stare at it.  I took his keys, put him in his car and changed out his tire.  then I told him to go to the nearest gas station and have it fixed.  He never thanked me but there was a lessening of tension between us. 
         
        If Seeker replies, just ignore him and no one should call him any names.  He is what he is and only the Holy Ghost will change him if he takes the one warning that is given in the New Testament among many. “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:…While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.” Hebrews 3:7-8, 15 said again in 4:7 KJB.  We are told to stand as witnesses, so I stand.  I get knocked about a lot but it does not matter for on the day of judgment, no one that has encountered me will be able to say they were not witnessed to and told the Gospel of Christ.  Not a religion, nor that they had to do religious works, but the Gospel of Christ.  I do take care what I say for in Galatians 1:6-9 (KJB), there is a curse for all who mix the Gospel with other things and make it another gospel.
         
        I guess that makes me a fool but that’s alright, for I’m the Lord’s fool and that is better then having any degrees or any power this world has to offer.
         
        Have a good day my friend.  (Luke 17:10 KJB).

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker You are absolutely right . GOD evens says HE will only contend for so long. I find it hard to give on on one so lost, I want them all saved, but I have done and said all I know to do or to say. I will  try take your well given advice and let it go. It is rather difficult to do when you see your friends so demeaned.

      • NelsonM77

        @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker Evermyrtle, you really should think twice before you post things like this that can be turned around on you so easily.
         
        “He is far too proud of what he doesn’t know, but thinks he does.”
        She is far too proud of what She doesn’t know, but thinks She does.
         
        I need only add three letters to apply this to yourself, but I’d rather have it cover more ground.
         
        They are far too proud of what they don’t know, but think they do.

        • RalphZ

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Nelson, I think you miss the point.  Evermyrtle is stating what is shown by the remarks.  She has not shown that she is “Proud of what she doesn’t know, but thinks she does”.  Seeker and you show this by your comments.  We all have some pride but y’all take the cake.  Just going by your comments that just aren’t backed up by facts.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker I’m sorry that you are very mixed up.  I do not know anything like, I would like to know. The wisdom of GOD’S WORD is endless. I have only scratched the surface. I try to share what little I do know with people who have not yet scratched that surface. It seems that you are in very much need of some help in understanding in life of HIS mission for you.  If we cut each other down at every chance we will “all fall in the ditch”, and who is there to help us out, especially when”WE DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY HELP”
           
          I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT ANYTHING GOD GIVES ME TO SPEAK COMING BACK ON ME. YOU SEE HE IS STANDING BESIDE ME AT EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE. IF YOU WILL ALLOW HIM TO STAND BESIDE YOU HE WILL DO SO.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ  Wow! I think you said it all. No wonder it is a waste of time communicating with you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ You are 100% cprrect it is no use to try to your trash into my hear and heart You see, I have the truth and you are trying to make the truth, It cannot be done.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker RalphZ. are you going to try and tell Evermyrtle that she doesn’t know that her god exists? Or many of the others here for that matter? Anyone who says that they know that a god is real is claiming knowledge that they do not have.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker You have no clue what your are missing, what you are saying, what you are trying to destroy.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker Yes I do! It is called faith, and I don’t miss it one tiny little bit.

  • Evermyrtle

    A WORD FOR THE LORD GOD TO GIVE COURAGE TO HIS PEOPLE
     
    Isaiah 41:9-16
      9. Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
    10 Fear thou not; for I aM with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy GOD: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help tee; yea I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness
    11. Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
    12. Thou shalt seek them; and shalt not find them even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing,and as a thing of nought.
    13.For the LORD THY GOD shall hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
    14. Fear not, thou worm Jacob and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE, of Israel
    15. Behold I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.
    16. Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the LORD, and shalt glory in the HOLY ONE of Israel.

    • ConnieStanson

      @Evermyrtle ‘This is much needed in times like this. I have shared this on Facebook. This was a great reminder to me and I want to thank you for this and I ask GOD to Bless You for sharing this as well. With everything going on in our world and the stress and uncertainty in our lives, we have a tendency to stray off course. As you know, it’s a great way for Satan to creep into our lives and take us over. Thank You Evermyrtle. You are an Earth Angel, and if you ever hear me getting off the right path please write to me and remind me of whom I belong too. Connie

      • Evermyrtle

        @ConnieStanson  @Evermyrtle The privledge was all mine. I know exactly how easy it is so get off of track. This is a blessing that GOD gave me, the joy of sharing HIS WORD and in any way I possibly can help others to stay of the path. I have a bad
        temper and it is not all all together, a bad thing, it helps keep me motivated, to care. I have a fight with  i t, to refuse to write in like manner , of some of the barbs aimed at me because of my faith. I get called ugly names and I struggle to stay focused on HIM and HIS WORD and not in a like spiteful manner. I promise I am not a very good person, but I do try!!!
         
        Thank you so very much for your kind words, and anytime I can help you I will be so glad to do so.

  • fisherjmj

    Trouble shooter,
    Your picture shows you as a Vet.  If that is true, then you know that those who have guns are mostly vets who at one time or another were well trained, those other “HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS WHO ARE NOT” are mostly not vets who are not really trained.
     
    Is that really your picture, you sure don’t sound like a Vet?
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  • fisherjmj

    Had Teddy boy really, truly, lovingly, and sincerely followed the things the Catholic Church should have taught him, he probably would not be in the high temperature zone he probably is in now!
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • NelsonM77

      @fisherjmj What an arrogant statement to make, especially when no one has the knowledge you are claiming to possess.

  • fisherjmj

    Ralph Z,
    The Catholic Church cannot excruciate anyone, it can and should have excommunicated Ted Kennedy and many of his ilk.
     
    Even one of Our Lord’s own hand chosen disciples betrayed him, so why should you be surprised if some of his priests, including bishops and cardinals do the same?
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • agbjr

      @fisherjmj Just gotta add … as boys my brother and I always thought the Church was excruciating! The calisthenics of Mass (stand/kneel/sit/stand/kneel/sit), going through the Confirmation questions drill, weekly confession, trying to avoid Sister’s icy glare, etc. Of course as an adult I’m glad for the Faith instilled into us by our Roman Catholic mother and grandmother … our Presbyterian father had deep Faith as well but didn’t agree with mom’s “Roman” ways!

      • RalphZ

        @agbjr  @fisherjmj Agbir, I got kicked out of Catechism classes for my challenge to the Jesuit.  I had to go back to my Dad with a note from him.  That day I got hit by him and hit by my Dad.  By him because I challenged the church’s stand on Mary being a perpetual virgin and coredeemer and my Dad did it for me being a smart alleck..  When he read the note, he asked to see why I stated what I did.  I showed him Matthew 1:25 (First born); Mark 6:3; John 14:6 (only way to the Father) and 1 Timothy 2:5 KJB.  He took me back to the class and told the Jesuit that he could see where I did no wrong and wanted him to explain these verses and the “supposed” contradictions.  My Dad was told that since he was not taught to correctly interpret the Bible, he would not understand.  That was when he told my Mom that she could take over my “religious” training.  My Mom was a hardshell Southern Baptist.  My Dad came to know and trust only Christ for his Saviour and Lord a couple of years later.  He is now waiting for us to come home and praise the Lord together.  It is interesting to grow up in a house with more then one view point and it does make you patient, I think that is the right word.
         
        Have a good day and remember to rejoice no matter what.

        • agbjr

          @RalphZ  @fisherjmj Well, ‘RalphZ’, we seem to have had similar experiences! The year after Confirmation when it really didn’t matter anymore if I was in CCD (Mom thought it did so I went) Monsignor was brought in to tell us a little of Church history. Being a real smart-mouth twelve-year-old with a theology-minded Presbyterian father I asked Monsignor if he would like to discuss the Spanish Inquisition – yeah, stupid kid. Monsignor’s reaction was even stupider: he told me I was not a ‘good’ Catholic, I needed to do penance for saying sinful things, and threw me out. Mom was annoyed I asked such a question but she was incensed with Monsignor’s reaction and stormed into the rectory demanding he apologize. He then accused her of being unfaithful to the Church; I really thought she was going to slap him across the face! She told him exactly what she thought of him adding he was a disgrace to the Vatican and he should beg on his knees God’s forgiveness for being an arrogant alcoholic (Wow! Mom obviously knew more about Monsignor than he thought). Needless to say Mom immediately move our family to the parish next door; a lovely smaller church where the priest was known by first name, Sunday Mass was kept to thirty minutes, and no offering was ever taken. Mom was much happier there and years later that small church gave her a beautiful and moving funeral Mass.
           
          For myself, after twenty years serving as an ordained Presbyterian Deacon and Ruling Elder and now totally disappointed with PCUSA political correctness I find I am drifting back to my Roman Catholic roots.

    • Troubleshooter

      @fisherjmj @fisherjmj: Fishboy, I personally find the Catholic Church to be VERY “Excruciating”.

  • fisherjmj

    The intellectual, if you can call it that, of these comments have reached pretty near rock bottom!
     
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
    Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • NelsonM77

      @fisherjmj Blanket statement with no supporting facts or evidence. Got it, waste of time. Please if you are going to make a statement like that, follow it up with an explanation and evidence to back it up.

  • Troubleshooter

    @NelsonM77: Here is your evidence: Hebrews 11:1; Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  You have none, because you have no hope.  To reject hope is true blasphemy.  Sadly, but justly, one day you WILL know.

    • NelsonM77

      @Troubleshooter Scripture will get you nowhere. If you don’t have anything substantial to back that up, I suggest you keep looking. Also, you may want to research the meaning of the word evidence. You do not seem to know what it mean, at all. I’ll give you a hint, good evidence is verifiable.

      • RalphZ

        @NelsonM77  @Troubleshooter Nelson, the Bible is verifiable.  The New Testament has manuscripts that go back to less then a hundred years of the originals.  When they were written, there were enough people who were eyewitnesses of Jesus life and his resurrection to state that they were lies if they did not contain the truth.  As I said, there is more evidence of Jesus and the New Testament as well as the Old Testament writings, then you do have of Caesars sea battles.  Even Josephus stated Jesus was real.  You have others who have also stated Jesus is real.  Just because you have already made up your mind without the facts, doesn’t mean the truth is not the truth.
         
        Have a nice day.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Troubleshooter Please go do some research and try looking at more than just the references that are in support of your claim. There are no writing about Jesus by anyone who lived during his supposed lifetime. Did a man named Jesus exist? Actually, yes there were many of them. It was a popular name. And what about the Christ? Yes again, the title of christos has been applied before the time of the Christ you speak of, to an Egyptian deity. The entry in the Antiquities of The Jews by Josephus have long been debunked. The “Jesus” mention does not fit into the text of Josephus work. It stands out like a sore thumb. It’s a different style of writing, it completely changes the subject, and it paints Jesus in a good light which Josephus would not likely have done being a proper Jew at the time. He was very critical of the Christian movement. The entry isn’t even referenced by other scholars until around 400 years later after the time of Eusebius who is thought to have added the entry.
           
          Good Line, I’m going to use it, too.
           “Just because you have already made up your mind without the facts, doesn’t mean the truth is not the truth.”  - RalphZ 
           
          I might add that reality is unchanged by your opinion. What is true is true, and what is false is false. I will determine the difference in the two through observation instead of revelation, thank you very much.

        • Troubleshooter

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ @NelsonM77:  The History of Ireland is full of commentary, some by Irish Kings, written DURING the time of Christ.  Your knowledge of Historical Documents must be limited to Commie Quarterly.  Moron.

        • Maynard

          @ @NelsonM77  @RalphZ  When you clowns were in school, did any of your teachers ever tell you that nothing is imposible, and then filled your tiny heads with theories, like invisibal atoms, consisting of even tinnier electrons, protons and nutrons all flying around in space within something else like a grain of sugar…  Why did you believe all that?` Maynard Merrell

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter  @RalphZ I don’t believe in communism, it is a failed idea. I’m a capitalist. Now that we have our economical divisions squared away, please tell me what that has to with anything at all. Oh please don’t tell me that you are ignorant enough to associate all atheists as communists and vice versa. Oh wait, hehe, this is an article calling for a return to McCarthyism. Perhaps you might like to explain to me why fascism is preferable, because that is what this talk of “Un-American activities” will lead to.

        • NelsonM77

          @Maynard  @RalphZ Because the data is verifiable. It has been tested and confirmed repeatedly.

  • Troubleshooter

    @NelsonM77 AND @Truth-Stripper:  I get it; you guys are roommates, and life has beaten you down so badly that you just have to either blame God or deny his existence.  That is typical of every old homosexual who can no longer enjoy their sin.  LOL.  Won’t be long now boys, or girls, however you think of yourselves.  He’s coming for you.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Are you drunk or high or were just born that way.  I don’t know how you can draw such specious conclusions, but with regards to me, and I cannot speak for any one else, you would trade your life for mine in a nanosecond. But, be that as it may. I don’t blame God nor deny God’s existence in the least. I have supported my religious institutions for 40+ years, my children were married by the clergy and belong to their own places of worship. Your conclusions, with regards to me, no less everyone else, are specious and inaccurate.
       
      Intolerant crazies like yourself, seem to want to own God and control how others see, perceive, worship or deny a deities existence. Therefore, folks like you reject one of the core freedoms our Framers insured, the freedom of worship, the Establishment Clause, and even the right to dissent in the belief of God.

      • RalphZ

        @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Seeler. supporting religious institutions will not get you into heaven.  This is found in the words Jesus speaks, “Not every one that saith unto me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23. 
         
        Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJB) also teach this.  I pray one day you will truly come to Jesus and this is not being intolerant.  Go ahead and read your dictionary, but maybe I should put it down for you, “”refusing to tolerate others in the enjoyment of their opinions, rights, or worship; unduly impatient of difference of opinion on the part of others.”  Tolerance, “The quality of being tolerant; the capacity or the act of enduring; a disposition to be patient and indulgent toward those whose opinions or practices differ from one’s own; .
         
        I will not justify anyone else but You should look at everything you wrote and then compare them to these definitions since you claim to be “tolerant” and me as well as others “intolerant”..  That is if you are an honest person.  Have a good day.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77  You are cuckoo!

      • Troubleshooter

        @the Truth Seeker @NelsonM77@The Truth-Spinner:  By your every comment, you prove and re-inforce my observation.  You and Oprah.  There is only One Way to One God.  Dissent against the Truth does not make the Dissent Valid.  It only proves the observation. Another Flag indicating Megalomania is the belief that you are right and everyone else is wrong.   Your profound and unconcealable narcisissim, and your pre-occupation with the word ‘crazy” have wrapped up your self-diagnosis.  Get some help.

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter  @the  @The Now you guys are making this too easy.
           
          “Another Flag indicating Megalomania is the belief that you are right and everyone else is wrong.” – Troubleshooter
           
          Is this REALLY an accusation you want to be making right now. Are you familiar with the psychological principal of projection, at all?

    • NelsonM77

      @Troubleshooter  What kind of loser needs to make up stories about those he is debating in order to feel superior. If it makes you feel any better, I am most certainly not gay, though it wouldn’t be wrong for me to be so, and I have never met the Truth Seeker. 
       
      It really is funny that you keep threatening us with the wrath of your imaginary god. Eh, whatever.

      • Troubleshooter

        @NelsonM77 @NelsonM666: If you don’t believe that it’s wrong to be gay, why do you insist on denying it?  Your girl, er..boyfriend isn’t denyint it.

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter I was simply stating the truth. You fine folks around here CLAIM to value truth, yet you don’t accept it. That’s interesting. Could it be that you are simply sticking to your standard operating procedure of only accepting what you WANT to believe? So far that has been my assessment. Any evidence counter to your previously held beliefs is dismissed out of hand. This is a symptom of the failed nature of faith. You cannot allow yourself to accept evidence because you came to your conclusions without it. To do so, would cast doubt on your beliefs and you are not prepared to seriously question those beliefs, there fore you persist in denying what is right before your eyes. This is perhaps one of the saddest states of man, willful ignorance.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Troubleshooter  @NelsonM77 Won’t it be wonderful if they will accept HIM before it is time for them to go home, to whatever home they have worked, all of their lives t to be able to enter, either heaven or hell.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 You need more work.  If you cannot explain a scientific principle to a person with nothing but a normal high school background, to where they understand what you are talking about, then you have not learned the subject.  I was taught this by a professor with 3 Phd’s, 4 masters and so many diploma’s they covered one wall.  He was a friend to a person who stayed alone most of the time and even taught me 3-D chess.  Now that was fun.

    • Maynard

      @RalphZ @NelsonM77. If I had a teacher who taught me all the wrong things and I believed him, then all that I had learned would be the wrong things; then I in turn would teach the wrong things to others who follow suite and teach the wrong things. Thats how communist propaganda works, for example. College degrees and all that crap means nothing to me. In 1913 a Fabian socialist cell was established in Columbia Universits Teachers College for the purpose of indoctrinatged future teachers in the tenets of socialism, as fabian therorist understood them. In 1939 rissian subversives did the same thing at the same college, to introduce their theory of socialism- communism. Those graduates grew year by year, and their students ended up teaching in class room all overf America and still are today, all the way up from kindergarden to he ivey towers of Harvard, Yale, you name it. Brainwash the youth and destroy the country. How many politicians, news media personnel, businessmen, teachers, lawyers, union leaders, military leaders, etc, have been indocterinated by one or more of those brainwashed professors and teachers? You should read Herbert Philbrooks book, “I Lead Three Lives ( I was a Communist for the FBI for nine years).” They had a seriers on this on TV many years ago. His communist cell was loaded with college professors and bussinesmen in the Boston area. I infiltrated counter-spys into communist fronts for the FBI in the 60s, college kids, at a time when Congress had forbid the FBI to do so. That lasted until 9-11. The distruction of christianity is one of the primary missions of communism around the world. Oddly, it is also a primary mission of muslims. Yes, Congressional hearing should once more begin, buit by patriotic congessmen and not the traitors. By the way, my father taught me that a teacher should be ale to teach even a damn fool. If they cannot teach, then they are teaching over his head and should then lower their level of teaching.

      • RalphZ

        @Maynard  @RalphZ That’s nice.  I do believe you should think about one thing.  Who defines what is and is not “American”?  Some say that you could not be an American if you disagree with what another says about America or disagree with their right to indoctrinate all people into accepting something they don’t like.  We are a melting pot and to me the easiest defining would be the acceptance of the US Constitution as it stands without changing the meaning to what today would make it as well as the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.  But if you get politicians involved, wouldn’t they again tell us we can learn what they define “American” as after we vote it into law?  Just wondering.

        • Maynard

          @RalphZ Not define as “American”, but what is defined as “Constiturtional” inorder to preserve America and our freedom from enemies domestic and foreign, of which too many are in our government, and is why we must have unAmerican Activities hearings.  Too many Americans falsly assume that all politicians are Americans, which they ared, but are they patriotisd Americas?  We determin that by the words they speak. Do they sound like Constitutionalists. And also by their actions.  If we waych and listen closly, unamericans cannot hide themselves.  I thought I was a very patriotic American and was proud of it until I studied communist infiltration and subversion in our government and social life.  Tjhats when I learned that in my ignorace I was a communist dupe.  I taslked the way they wanted me to and voted the way they wanted me to.  I was a dedmocrate. After learning what a dupe  was I was angry for being stgupid and used and wondered why someone didn’t tell me about communist tactics mush earlier.  I then began reading everthing I could get myu hands on, and after two years of rfeading I began writing letters o editors, and assiting the FBI in fighting communism in America. Its stilll here and going strong as our present government illustrates.  I learned, too, that college students are the most suseptable recruits to communism by communist professors.  And it is the college students that go on to bec oming our national leaders in soom way or other, which took us into the Great Depression and now at the brink of total destruction.  Knowledge, enlightenment is one of our defenses.  the other is to know your enemy and what he is capable of doing.  Study he New World Order, Globasl Union, and the Bilderbergs.

        • RalphZ

          @Maynard I agree.  I have twin boys in college now.  I think they’re on the ten year plan.  One is a full paramedic and he works so many hours a week I worry about him and pray hard.  His brother is studying different languages.  He wants to be an interpreter for an embassy or a large company.  He’s good at the languages and even computers.  In fact both boys are very good with putting their own computers together and making them do what they like.  Some of the ideas they’ve come away with from the college courses, I’ve had to get out my old books and show them that what they were taught was not the truth.  Each time I took what was said/taught to them and then, not only showed them what my books said, but also showed them the facts without any interpretations to them.  To me that is fun but then again, my boys point with pride, why? I’ll never understand,  that I’m not like a normal Dad in a lot of ways.  One of them is that I explain things till they understand them. 
           
          Oh before I forget, I found a quote and a story, and I’m fairly sure it is from the person that is listed. “A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious.” —Aristotle
           
          The Indian and the Buffalo
           
          An Indian walks into a cafe with a shotgun in one hand pulling a male buffalo with the other. He says to the waiter, “Want coffee.” The waiter says, “Sure, Chief, coming right up.” He gets the Indian a tall mug of coffee. The Indian drinks the coffee down in one gulp, turns and blasts the buffalo with the shotgun, causing parts of the animal to splatter everywhere, then just walks out. The next morning the Indian returns. He has his shotgun in one hand pulling another male buffalo with the other. He walks up to the counter and says to the waiter, “Want coffee.” The waiter says, “Whoa, Tonto! We’re still cleaning up your mess from yesterday. What was all that about, anyway?” The Indian smiles and proudly says, “Training for position in United States Congress: Come in, drink coffee, shoot the bull, leave mess for others to clean up, disappear for rest of day. -UNKNOWN-
           
          I thought the story might lighten the mood.  Truth in humor is always good.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ I don’t know if you have seen what passes for a highschool diploma these days, but it ain’t much. Try explaining the redshift of light coming from distant galaxies that are moving away from each other because of our expanding Universe and how quantum fluctuations in empty space allowed all matter to form in the big bang and see how far you get.

      • Maynard

        @NelsonM77:  I don’t know whatpasses for a ghigh sc hool diploma eitgher. I never got one.  I did get a GED while in the Army back in the late 40s.  Ilive through the Great Depression. I lived in an old garage. Roof leaked. no wall covering on the outer walls. Wid, rain and snow blew in all the time. Broken windows by the bed. Shook off snow from unwashed blankets in winter. Fought flies and mosquitos in summer. Got hair stuck onto flypaper hanging from ceiling. To keep warm I had to huddle with my two drothers around the pot belly stove.  My cloths were unwahed, smelled, torn and tettered. Nere bthed except when swimming in summer. Had no running water, did have an outhouse, though.  Seldom had anything to eat. Walked about a mile to a creek for fresh water we filled into milk cans and gallon jugs. For edntertainment my brothers and I killed rats climintg around on us in bad at night. Lot of fun.  While I could go on and on.  I failed the 3rd grade, 5th grade, 9th grade, lied and went into the 10th grade, and a couple months later I lied about my age and joined the army at age 16. I’m a vet of WW II and Korera. I went to four schools in the army because of my IQ.  I was a policeman for 18 yrs, an investigator of the Bureaul of Motor Vehicle for 15 yrs, oh, and I retired from the arfmy after 23 years.  did get about 21 credits in a community college. I’m a christian. I believe in God. Had too many experiences in life not too.~Maynard Merrell.  Don’t Tread On Me!

        • Evermyrtle

          @Maynard I never got a high school diploma, either, but life has given me more education, than I could have gotten in that last year of school. GOD has give a good education in HIS WORD but there is still much about HIS WORD that I do not know but work on that every day.
           
          GOD surely watched over you, kept you safe and brought you through it all safely, as HE does all of HIS children. It is just so wonderful that you saw that LIGHT before it was too late.  I AM HAPPY FOR YOU, GOD BLESS YOU!

        • Maynard

          @Evermyrtle: that last link begins, as you probably guessed: http not httm. Sorry. this old gy smetimes hits the wrong key. Its argravating. My finger hits one key and the nail hits another, or the sided of my finger hits another keys. I could never text anyone no matter how hard I’d try.

        • agbjr

          @Maynard Dear Evermyrtle, you are SO right! I have taken to explaining away just about everything I drop, mistake, or slip-up with one phrase, “Hey, I’m old” and sometimes, “”get out of my way, I’m aging rapidly!” One of my favorite comments always gets surprised laughter, “There comes a time in life when the word ‘depends’ goes from being a verb to a noun.”
           
          Stay well, continue to be the Lord’s tool and OUR conscience.

        • RalphZ

          @agbjr  @Maynard agbir, my Mom has a saying, “Getting old is not for wimps.”  Since passing 57, I know I’m a wippersnapper and still wet behind the ears according to my Mom, I’ve learned the truth to that statement.  Have a good day.

      • RalphZ

        @NelsonM77 Quantum Fluctuations annihilate each other.  So I really don’t see how they could make matter to the point of making the big bang.  To me the universe is running down and the Second law of Thermodynamics is in play.  Oh well, everything runs down and eventually dies.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 Christ is a Myth?  Boy are you out there.  Does the sun also go out at night?  This is the nonsense you showed by your statement.  There is more evidence of Christ, what he taught and what his disciples wrote then the wars of Caesar and most other ancient documents that attest to early historic figures.  Show me the body of Jesus in his tomb and I’ll burn my Bible and join you but you cannot for not even the Romans could do that.  Also the Jewish leaders could not do that either.  Your Intolerance is showing.
     
    Have a nice day for this is the only place you will have a nice day.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ Wonderful, if you have this evidence in your possession, please allow someone other than yourself to examine it. Scholars the world over would love to see it. There are NO references to Jesus Christ by ANYONE who lived during the time he was said to have lived. The earliest known reference is from Josephus, a Jew who was born some 30 odd years after the supposed death of Christ. That the reference was out of place in his texts and not referenced by any other scholar until close to 400 years after it was written is highly indicative of the entry being forged by a very enthusiastic historian, Eusebius, in the 4th century who, it seems, may not have had too much trouble rationalizing a lie so long as it supported the doctrines of the church.

      • agbjr

        @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Although I do not wish to embroil myself in this debate there is a fact most non-believers never allow: the vast majority of Jesus’ contemporaries were illiterate. His followers communicated mostly by word-of-mouth. As far as official Roman documentation of Jesus’ trial and execution it was a local event and as such would have been recorded locally and considered not newsworthy beyond his followers in Judea. Official Rome was a huge bureaucracy so it is possible the ‘Jesus incident’ would have been mentioned in a territorial report to Rome from Governor Pontius Pilate however very few actual Roman government records have survived these two-thousand years. The same for privately written letters and records of which we have only a few fragments.

        • ConnieStanson

          @agbjr  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Agbir, I cannot find where your message to me went. But this is about my Grammar you thought you had to bring to my attention. First of all you Educated Derelict,  I am not a        scholar, your right there, but what I lack in Grammar, you lack in compassion.   You really need help. you should spend more time in a professional building and less time on the internet criticizing people who aren’t as Scholastic as yourself. You remind me of a movie called “Hannibal Lecture” I want nothing to do with you anymore do not engage a conversation with me again. Period or I will report you.

        • NelsonM77

          @agbjr  @RalphZ While I’ll agree that lack of evidence does not imply nonexistence, I find it an awful stretch to say that a lack of evidence implies existence. Also, word of mouth traditions would be even more discreditable than anything else. It is almost literally the least valid way to support a claim.

        • agbjr

          Connie: I believe you may be confused, I have no recollection or record of directing any message of criticism toward you especially for grammatical errors. Please review your incoming history.

        • agbjr

          @ConnieStanson  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Connie: not sure you may have gotten the below message so I’ll repeat here … I do not recall nor have any record of directing a message to you critical of your grammar. Please review your incoming comments history to be certain who the culprit is.

        • Maynard

          @ConnieStanson and other Christians, Patriots, and Constitutional
          Conservartives.  You ought not let clowns like these atheist clowns keep bothering you. Ignore them. I learned long ago in this fight to keep our freedom not to be slowed or stopped by subversives and pedrvertgs of our constitution, but to go around them and continue on.  You can see how they can keep you stopped and fighting in one place. Thats a siege. You must be dynamic and continue to move forward to victory.  See them for what they are and the Lord will deal with them later.  Like Jesus said, in effect, don’t waste time talking to anyone not wanting to listen.  Look for those who do want to listen.  There may be thousands out here listening, so don’t let those clown knock you off balance and keep you there. Yhou must win!~ Maynard Merrell.  Don’t Tread  On Me!

        • icetrout

          @Maynard  @ConnieStanson Always liked this one better “Death to Traitors”…

        • NelsonM77

          @Maynard  @ConnieStanson So, instead of finding reasoned responses to our arguments you choose to ignore them. How mature of you. Do you actually stick your fingers in your ears and say, “Neener neener neener”, too?

      • Evermyrtle

        @NelsonM77  @RalphZI doubt anyone will be saying anything about you after you have been gone 2,000 years, therefore there must have bee something especially wonderful great about the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.  I would guess that 90% of the people in the entire world have heard about JESUS CHRIST. What do you think it might be the reason for that?.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ Because for the last 2000 years the church has made it their never ending duty to spread “The Word” through whatever means necessary, including murder. It is a very recent phenomenon that those of us who don’t buy into it can freely express our concerns without a very real fear for our lives. Even now, our livelihoods are at stake just by openly admitting that we don’t believe. Not to mention the very real danger we face from some of the rednecks I live around. Their ego can’t allow for someone who doesn’t believe what they do.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ JESUS CHRIST loves you, too. All you have to do is accept HIM and repent of your sin
           
          There has been much evil done in the name of JESUS CHRIST but not because that is what HE taught, nor what he teaches . This evil is against what HE teaches and their sin will come back to face them when they get before HIS throne. They will have to pay for every soul that they are responsible for turning away from HIM by their murdering lies. Nobody was ever killed because GOD directed them to kill , except in the matter of self defense, to save them from being killed. Any such claims are vicious anti-GOD lies of which there are thousands. BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU ACCUSE GOD. HE WILL NOT TAKE IT LYING DOWN, HE WILL REMEMBER. HE WILL ALSO REMEMBER IF YOU TURN AND ACCEPT HIM AND REPENT FOR YOUR SINS.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ Evermyrtle, I suggest you go back and read your Bible some more, paying special attention to the stories of the Old Testament. You either do not know what is written within, or you refuse to accept what it says. Either way, you are being hypocritical trying to preach to others about that which you yourself are confused about.

        • agbjr

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ ‘NelsonM77′, when addressing Evermyrtle please keep in mind you are addressing a kind woman who truly wants nothing more than for you to have inner peace and a happy relationship with Our Lord. I strongly suggest you owe her a respectful apology.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  If I were a betting person, I would bet that I have read the WORD OF GOD far more that you have.  I am of the opinion that you are the one who needs to do some Bible study. It appears that you are one of those who read it looking for thing that your can cut to pieces. Just forget that notion, it cannot be done. GOD knows what is in there, HE had it put there and every word had a specific purpose. Be very careful how you tear it apart, you will be held responsible.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Thank you so much for your support of HIS WORD and of my little bit of work to try to enlighten others. this is the only way they will ever hear of GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND MAYBE THE ONLY CHANCE THAT THEY HAVE OF BEING SAVED. WOULDN’T IT BE WONDERFUL TO KNOW THAT YOU HAD A PART OF ONE PERSON COMING TO HIM AND BEING SAVED,  BY HIS GRACE??

        • RalphZ

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle There you go again Nelson, making assumptions.  You have to quit that for you keep, well diagram “Assume” and then you’ll understand where I’m coming from.  Have a good day and be nice to people.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle This is a very simple issue. Evermyrtle stated that, “Nobody was ever killed because GOD directed them to kill , except in the matter of self defense, to save them from being killed.”, and according to the Bible itself, this statement is not true. There are many stories in the Bible where “god” told someone to kill someone else, infants infact who could not possibly be a threat to anyone. Of course, I don’t believe any of it. I think it is either a complete fabrication, or it is just a justification for murder. Either way, it is in there. Just take a stroll through Deuteronomy. And I don’t want to hear this nonsense about that being the Old Testament. An all powerful perfect god should be moral without having to kill his son as a sacrifice to himself.

      • RalphZ

        @NelsonM77
        The Gospels are the first books that attest to the reality of Jesus.  If you state that they are not, then you must remove the following from History.
         
        The two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than four hundred years after Alexander’s death in 323 B.C., yet historians consider them to be generally trustworthy. This would have to be removed.
         
        Consider Tacitus, the Roman historian wrote his “Annals of Imperial Rome” about 116 A.D. but the earliest copy we have is 850 A.D. Would also have to be removed.
         
        Homer’s Iliad has fewer than 650 greek manuscripts left today.  They come down to us from the Second and Third Century A.D.  You also should remember Homer wrote this about 800 B.C. so the gap is about 1000 years and scholars have no problems treating it as authentic.  Definitely have to be removed.
         
        The Apostle Paul accepted Christ as Saviour about 2 years after his resurrection.  He also taught the death, burial and resurrection which shows that the Resurrection was already recognized as fact.
         
        The oldest parchment that was found was from the book of John by C.H. Roberts of Saint John’s College, Oxford.  It had five verses on it and was dated between 98-138 AD.
         
        According to the late F.F. Bruce, Professor at the University of Manchester, England and author of “The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?” Stated; “There is no body of ancient literature in the world which enjoys such wealth of good textual attestation as the New Testament.”  Also Dr. Craig Blomberg testified that in the gospels there is excellent eyewitness evidence for the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus. 
         
        I know you don’t like Josephus, but he is recognized as accurate.  He stated in the Antiquities, about the High Priest Ananias put James, the brother of Jesus on trial. “He convened a meeting of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus wo was called the Christ, and certain others.  He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned.” The Bible and Archaeology, page 288.
         
        Tacitus, a most important Roman historian of the first century stated, “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace.  Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstitution, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty: then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.  The Making of the New Testament, page 158.
         
        If you need more information you can read the following;
        Jesus and Christian Origins outside the New Testament. By: Bruce, F.F.
        The Historical Jesus. By: Habermas, Gary.
        He walked among Us. By: McDowell, Josh, and Bill Wilson.
         
        These are old books so the ones who taught you are sadly not well versed.  Have a good day.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ I will answer all parts of this in time. I have seen these references before but I don’t have the time right now to respond properly.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 Do you suppose that he is jealous of our relationship with our SAVIOR? . He should know by this stage in his life,  he can have HIM, as his SAVIOR, also. All he has to do is to accept HIM and HIS commandments as the truth and strive to live by them. The really hard for such people is asking forgiveness fo those sins in his past, but he can be forgiven for them also, only by asking. I wonder if anybody ever told him about that forgiveness by our Savior?

      • RalphZ

        @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77 Hi Evermyrtle.  I was wondering and could never get a direct answer out of the Athiests I know.  Why is it that if you do not believe in God, and believe when you die, that’s it, why is it that you are able to continue life every day when it will not matter a hill of beans what you do or how long you live?  No hope.  I think I understand why there is a huge rise in suicides in the military by people that have, what you would think, everything to live for.  I’d still like an answer but I think the suicide rate is my answer.  A sad state when a 20 year old would just go back to their room and blow their brains out or a husband and dad would drive his car to a remote area and blow his brains out.  Something is definitely wrong and it is sad that no one seems to care.  Something to think about and pray about.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77 The fact that nobody care is the biggest part of the problem. I am not talking about  the unchurched,either. How many of us check on church members that are not present for services . I have been out of the church six months and have not had one visit or phone call and I cannot say that I have done any better.

        • RalphZ

          @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77 Evermyrtle, I understand.  I left my Church over 5 years ago because I got tired of them always pushing the new translations and did not want anyone to question the translation because it said differently then the one they were using.  No one has been by the house, nor did they visit when I had a heart attack, hit a cow that came into the car and ripped the roof back 8 inches, hit a bear at 75 miles an hour at night on a highway (4 lanes), or total respiratory failure/collapse and spent over 3 months in the hospital where my wife was told that I would only be in a nursing home or carried out feet first.  Not once was I visited nor was my Alice.  Says something about the attitude of churches today for I’ve found the same attitude in a lot of churches I’ve visited and asked for a visit back but they never came.  I also have not seen Christians on my street for 6 years in a row.  An independent Church started up nearby and actually canvassed the neighborhood to invite people.  I think I’ll go visit on Wednesday night, for that is my day off  and I work swings, and see them.  It’ll be fun I think because my friend at work is going there and he is a hard judge of doctrine and he likes them.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 I know exactly where you are coming from. I could fill a book with such true stories. One similar but completely different. The pastor resigned from the church where every member is a relative of mine or my late husband or both of us. my nieces husband is educationally qualified to preach. The former pastor was making like $500 per week. The nephew refused to fill in until they could get another minister in unless they paid him the full amount the other minister was getting. To say nothing about whether he should have gotten the full amount or not, does not make him out like a Christian. II was qualified, I would not have charged a cent I wound have done for my Savior.
           
          I have visited every church in the surrounding neighborhood and have found the same ungodly attitudes. my experience has occurred to many senior citizens in the community.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle The answer to your question is quite simple. Why do atheists chose to live without having some purpose spelled out to them by religion? Because we all give our own lives purpose. It is what you want it to be. But most of all, we realize that we don’t have another chance at this. We only have one life to live, and knowing this makes it more precious than ever. Life is wonderful and beautiful and finite. Why spoil it by wasting your time dreaming of an afterlife that will never come.

      • SandyTrank

        @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 Myrtle, I believe it is PRIDE. Such cannot conceive FAITH as we do. Jesus said to Thomas that he had to SEE to believe but to them who have not seen and yet believe, we are blessed. It is a HEART issue for athiests. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 I think it is that plus the attitude of, “I simply do not care what they do!”

        • SandyTrank

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ Yes, that and a seared conscience. I see for the much speaking, he says nothing. Nothing worse on a blog than a novel! And a senseless one at that!

  • RalphZ

    @fisherjmj I left them out for I wanted to be nice.  I’m also going through the many disks I have looking for the paper I read about the shells from as well as the associated news paper clippings I scanned in.
     
    Have fun.

  • Maynard

    @NelsonM77 and everybody else. The question here was should there be un-American activity hearings again, but somehow tuned into a religious debate, and not about subversive infiltration into our government and social/cultural organizations and acrtivities, or about the mafia, etc.. As for the mafia they use the church in hopes of still going to heaven no matter how rotten they have been. As for the Communists, they are atheist, just as you are and many others of you kind. The Ten Commandments, regardless of where they came from, is still the best moral builder man has ever had or will have. Atheist will only create tyranny and anarchy or totalitarism of some kind. History has proven that. America was born a christian nation and has been proven to be better than anyother nation in history. I am a christian, but not a practising christian. I have had experiences in military combat and as a policeman that I can only believe was the results of Gods intervention. The King James version of the Bible was not the same Bible used by our Founding Fathers when creating the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Kings were ordained by church leaders who claimed that leaders are to be leaders because it was Gods will, no matter how rotten the king. That sounds more like the work of the Devil. Enough said. The uniform worn by trouble shooters is that of the WW II and Korean War era. I know this because I once wore the same uniform.

    • NelsonM77

      @Maynard  @NelsonM77 I think that if you stick around for a while you’ll find that religion is central to the political discussion at this site. Our separation of church and state was put in place for religious and non-religious people alike. It is meant to work in all our favor by not allowing one religion to subjugate the rest of us. Therefore, every time I see someone trying to inject their unsubstantiated beliefs in to politics, I will speak out.

      • RalphZ

        @NelsonM77  @Maynard The First Amendment, the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution do not have the statement of “separation of Church and State” in them.  Go ahead and check.  To interject one’s faith into politics is not wrong.  Would you rather they not believe in the Golden rule of doing to others as you would want them to do to you?  What about not stealing, committing murder or coveting what others have and using government to take it away from them because you don’t believe they deserve it, even though they worked for it?  By showing “Hostility” towards people of faith, the government is in fact showing itself to be supporting the religion of humanism and atheism.  These have been labeled as religions by the US Supreme Court and they are. 
         
        Justice Joseph Story -
        “ At the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration [i.e., the First Amendment], the general, if not the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship.” [Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]
         
        Have a good day.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Maynard The golden rule doesn’t have anything to do with religion in general and it predates the Christian faith so I’m not sure where that came from. Neither did Christianity or religion for that matter, have anything to do with inventing the concepts of not stealing, or not murdering. Coveting other peoples things is natural, as long as you don’t decide to steal them. Are you trying to say that we wouldn’t know that stealing, murdering, etc. is wrong without religion? You would be wrong to assume that.

  • Troubleshooter

    To All Posters Other than NelsonM666 and Truth-Smearer:  We have forgotten that the best way to deal with these maggots is to ignore them.  I suggest that we ignore them as an alternative to responding or reacting to their sewage.  I’ll go first.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Troubleshooter As long as I do not read their ridiculous posts, I have it made, but once I read it I am lost., I have to my best to show them the way to a very small degree, therefore I will skip past them.

  • Troubleshooter

    To All Posters Other than NelsonM666 and Truth-Smearer:  We have forgotten that the best way to defeat these maggots is to ignore them.  I suggest that we ignore them as an alternative to responding or reacting to their sewage.  I’ll go first.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Troubleshooter One hounded percent my opinion.

    • NelsonM77

      @Troubleshooter LOL

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 How am I going to tell Evermyrtle that her “god” is not?  I know my memory is bad but I don’t think it’s that bad.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have come to the conclusion that these anti-GOD baiters are not worth  the effort it takes to answer their swill.

      • NelsonM77

        @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ I’ll take that as a concession that you have neither the will nor the ability to counter our argument. Thank you, and have a nice day.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ My Mom always told me,” When you hea rnothing, say nothing!” I still obey her great bit advice. The is one of her best occasions of advice.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 If the quote that I used marked from George Washington is misapplied, I apologize.  I’ll check it out and find out who it was that said it.  Although so far I’ve come across one that I like more, “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”– Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334.  Without the people to support the Second Amendment, it will disappear and then all of our rights will be gone for then there will be nothing to stop the government from becoming a tyrant.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ That’s exactly the kind of quote we need. We should always try and find references, especially in the political atmosphere we find ourselves in right now. I agree 100% that without the Second Amendment, the rest of the Constitution is little more than parchment with pretty writing.

  • the Truth Seeker

    I am always curious why middle class Americans are Republicans. Could it be that they create more jobs. Well there is no evidence of that, Since Truman, Democrats have created twice as many jobs per year when they have controlled the White House. On a year by year basis- Clinton, Carter, Reagan, LBJ, Truman, Nixon and JFK lead Ford, Bush I and II and Eisenhower by a wide margin. In 28 years the Democrats created 57 million jobs to the GOP’s 36 million in 36 years. Those are the facts. Look it up from the WSJ. But maybe it is the stock market that has done better under Republicans. While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House. From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close. The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday. That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office. “The market does tend to do better under Democrats than under Republicans,” Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S&P Equity Research in New York, said in a telephone interview. “Is it because Republicans mishandled the economy, or inherited a weak economy? I’ll leave that to others.” But what about Bain Capital’s and Wall Street’s proclivity to export jobs?
    Is it family values? Since when does Donald Trump, David Vitter, John Ensign, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr and scores of other Republicans, over the years, have a monopoly on virtue, family values and decency. When will Romney stand up to the “birthers,” when will he reject the racism and the innuendos voice constantly by his top surrogates. But maybe you believe that abortion is not justified in any case. Are you in the camp of Senate candidates like Mourdock of Indiana and Todd Akin of Missouri? Are you a believer that rape is God’s will, or one cannot get pregnant from rape?
    How about women’s issues? Do you support Republicans because they do not support the right of woman to receive equal pay for equal work? Or maybe you oppose Title 9, or anti-harassment laws, or even the right to an abortion, if their health and life is threatened.
    Maybe it’s the idea of a “balanced budget” that you and the Republicans support or even no taxes at all. What about Romney’s proposed tax cuts and his call for an increase in defense spending?  If you support those two issues, how do you reconcile the “deficit hawk” issue? Every independent study has shown that his math is flawed.  Maybe it is another chapter of “voodoo” economics. We have had low tax rates on and off for decades and is there evidence that we have created more jobs? As I recall, Bill Clinton raised the top marginal rate, adjusted capital gains and we added 23 million jobs and balanced the budget for three years.
    So does it come down to the fact you just don’t like government! Maybe you don’t like women and minorities horning in on your rights and the Eurocentric- white male hegemony? In other words what is that makes you a conservative? Do you eat less? There is no evidence of that! In fact, the obesity rate in the “Red” states is over 30% and much, much higher than the so-called “Blue” states. It must be race and loss of power, what else?

  • the Truth Seeker

    Speaking of the Tea Bag Brigade and their Right-Wing Conservative Base:
     
    The GOP Conservatives and their Dixiecrat allies have been opposed to every advance in our long history. Many called it the progressive evolution of our society, but the small government acolytes seem to think that word progressive is a euphemism for left-wing socialism. As a long-time student of history, political person, and writer and lecturer on mid 20th Century history, it is not a stretch to see what side both parties fall. The right-wing has opposed: the following
     
    The Bill of Rights
    Anti-trust laws- Sherman and Clayton Acts
    Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
    Labor unions and their right to collectively bargain- the Wagner Act
    Wages and Hours Law
    Child Labor laws and regulation- Triangle Shirtwaist and other disasters
    The Minimum wage
    Civil Rights- Integration- anti-lynching laws
    The Security Laws of 1933, 4, and 1940, affirmative action
    Pure Food and Drug laws
    Almost all environmental regulation on clear water and air
    Women’s Rights, sexual choice
    The right of choice
    Birth control access and information
    Equal pay for equal rights
    The Establishment Clause- separation of church and state
    Gun control
    Graduated Income Tax- taxes in general
    Inheritance Taxes
    Federal housing- urban renewal
    Public education
    Aid to Great Britain before WWII
     
    What have they supported?
     
    Restrictive Immigration: Chinese Exclusion Act 1882, National Origins Immigration Act of 1924
    Property rights over individual rights
    Censorship
    Monopoly, trusts, Inter-locking directorships
    Unrestricted gun ownership
    Flat-taxes, sale’s taxes,
    State’s Rights
    Public funding for private schools
    Red-lining
    Segregation, White Citizen’s Councils, the KKK
    Privatization of services
    Union-busting
    Off shore banking shelters
    The market place cures all ills
    The Oil Depletion allowance
    Private schools
     
    In other words, what in hell have the right-wing ever supported that was in the public’s interest?

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker I guess you never have learned History.  A good example is the Bill of Rights.  It was the “Right Winger” that put them in to protect the people and limit government.  Also it was the “Right Wingers”  that were for Civil Rights and against slavery while the Demoncrats were pro slavery and against the Civil Rights.  You are to be pitied.  Have a good day.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @RalphZ I  have forgotten more history then you have ever learned or will have learned. The Southern Democrats were not liberals and so what? They are not the Democrats of today, nor of the past 60 years, and the Abolitionists; William Lloyd Garrison, Sarah Grimke Weld, Harriet Beecher Stowe and many others were far from “conservative.”  The Northern Democratic Party was middle of the road conservative until William Jennings Bryan and the Republicans were far from liberal. They were expansionist, business oriented and for a strong central government. The idea of right wingers in the North being pro-abolition is specious. Business interests in NYC were pro-slavery and there were anti-draft riots fomented by whites who didn’t want the racial status to change. Lincoln would be considered far to the left today.He certainly never voiced supported the end of slavery as a reason to fight the Civil War. The South seceded and Lincoln was pledged to save the Union, plain and simple.
         
        No sane, no less respected, historian would ever compare the parties of the mid 19th Century with any of their political ancestors of today.  Your attempt to rewrite history for the sake of other rejectionists on this site is a failure. But, at least you are consistent.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker I still feel the Love.  I don’t accept what you’ve said because the books I have say differently and when civil rights came up it was the Democrats, the ones that today’s Democrats come from, that were opposed to civil rights for everyone.  Even LBJ was a Democrat and didn’t like it.  Oh well.  At least you are consistent.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ You have forgotten Shakespeare’s comments on what is in a name. You can deny history and the facts all you want. Senator Moynihan stated, that people are not entitled to their own facts.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker A nice way to call someone a liar but remember that cuts both ways.  You did not show that I twisted, lied about or made up my own facts.

      • Evermyrtle

        @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker You are wasting your time, trying to tell this one anything. He is so full of himself that he writes page after page of trash and had the audacity to believe we will read one page  of his misinformation . I have given up on him, I will ignore his “stuff.”” Plus the fact he is like all liberals full of ridicule for the truth. He cannot stand that.

    • Maynard

      @the Truth Seeker You are telling the truth about many of those things you wrote, half truths about other things, but most importantly, you do not explain why many of those things were done.  Many right wingers are not wight wingers at all, but say they are to suck in the unsuspecting people to get their support for something that really supports the left wing.  I understand that and I know damn well you do because your on the left and you do the exact same thing, just as you are doing right now in you writing.  Take for example Civil Rights. You have social civil rights and political civil rights.  Political Civil rights pertains to the administration of governments, and what is the authority of State and Federal governmednts. States governments are to be the most powerful. Many politicians call themselves conservatives. Voters assume they mean defendeers of America and its Constitution, but it does not mean that at all.  Conservative means to preserve, conserve, defend that which exists or has been established, which could be commuinism or some other form of socialism like naziesm, fascism, fabianism, but not Costitutional Coservativeism which is to preserve our Constitution, and is what extreme right wingers are. We are the malitia, the minutemen, the fighters to maintain and preseerve the Constitution and thereby our God given rights.  We recognize that the world is in a war between the forces of God and those of Satan.  God watches all of us to see which side we support.  What side are you on?  You can say that you are on the side of America, but the words you speak betray you and show you for what you are.  I know. No one shyould pay any attention to me.  I never finished high school.` Maynard Merrell.  Don’t Tread On Me!

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Maynard There is nothing wrong with being a strict constructionist, and fearing the watering down of the Constitution as you know it. But, since you wrote a polite letter, I will indulge you. That is a very simplistic and naive approach. You do not have the historical or legal background to be aware of all the changes in law and its interpretation. I am doing an interview on a radio show with the most renown law professor in America on the history of the Miranda Decision with regards to the 4th Amendment: search and seizure.It is based on one year’s worth of lectures at the University of Washington Law School regard the Escobedo, Miranda Decisions , the exclusionary rule and the the revisions sought by Nixon, and Chief Justices Burger and Rehnquist. This decision was for YOUR protection, not the well-off and the upper classes. You’d be surprised how Nixon and the two Chief Justices had no regard for the 5th Amendment.
         
        The 4th Amendment reads: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
         
        The complexities regarding its meaning have been debated by scholars on the right, left and center, whether they be traditionalists or not. One thing we all have learned, or should have learned, is that absolutism doesn’t work.
         
        The more I read of absolutism, ultra orthodoxy, eternal loyalties to obsolete credos, the denial of science, and banal accusations, the more I am turned off. The vast majority of people do not read these sites, would not believe their contents, and when they do, they would regard the contributors as nut cases or at the least marginal extremists. I have a long political background, am interested in debate and like to know what the extremes believe. Therefore I read what is here.

    • icetrout

      @the Truth Seeker  I can now understand the war on drugs… the heroin has destroyed every last braincell God put in you skull…  drug addicts should never have been classified as disabled… just more reason to get rid of the Left… / Well time to buy some more ammo online,way things are going it will be worth way more than gold soon…

      • the Truth Seeker

        @icetrout Is this the next shoe to drop with regards to your total lack of coherence? Since you are bereft of ideas, cannot counter any point made, you expose yourself to the ridicule you most deservedly have earned.

  • the Truth Seeker

    I’ve always wondered what my conservative friends really believe in. How were they different from me? They certainly weren’t like the lunatic-fringe that “hang out” on Newsmax, the Washington Times, and sites like Godfather, Front Porch, Cowboy, Visions for Liberty, etc. Nobody could be that nuts. These folks aren’t sure we ever landed on the Moon, think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate from Kenyan, do not believe he even went to school, cite references that nobody ever saw him in class, etc. Of course, the fact that he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review in a blind contest and taught at the University of Chicago, is fiction to them. These are the so-called “real family” value folks,  mostly from the Red Neck States, whose status on mental health, incest, rape, divorce, and violence are far, far worse than the so-called Blue States. In fact, the preponderance of these crazies lives in the regions of our country which suck up more federal dollars than they contribute and ironically make up their well-chronicled moronic: “47%.” But, so what is it that these folks hate the government, are racist bigots, and have a primitive view on women and the like! They think Medicare and Social Security are commie plots, but if you interfere with them watch out. They love their AR-15’s, AK-47’s, Uzis, NASCAR, white lightning, dog fights and they swear by their Bible-Belt Elmer Gantrys.
     
    But, what about the “sensible” conservatives who are our every day neighbors outside of the Bible Belt? What do they stand for? In truth, they are just as obese as anyone else, they have just as many marital problems, cheat on their spouses, they drink, take drugs (Rush Limbaugh) and they are just as likely to be Wall Street thieves. They also like to carry guns, even though the chance of being killed in their own home is 27 times the chance of being shot outside. In fact, up here in Westchester, the chance is in the hundreds to one. But, what of their so-called thriftiness? They have as many, or more, under water-mortgages, their credit card debt is high or higher then the average, and they get abortions when they need them, practice birth control, and would seek out stem cell research if they faced a catastrophic health problem. Most, even believe in the separation of church in state. So what are they really about, basically, Eurocentric hypocrisy, fear of the loss of power, and political impotence.
     
    By the way, where were these Constitutional gurus, patriots and fiscal watch dogs when Reagan tripled the National Debt, we lost 234 Marines in an unguarded billet in Beirut, Bush 43 engaged in two wars without taxes to support them, their faith-based $7 billion initiative was passed, the debt ceiling was approved scores of times by Republican Congresses and the unfunded Medicare Drug benefit was passed? In fact, as I recall it was Republican presidents who created the minimum tax threshold for low wage earners, so they could justify tax giveaways for the rich. So I ask, what are the conservative values? Is their fear of “big government” legit? Are they preservers of the culture? Are they protectors of personal freedom? Personally, I doubt that they are, there is slight evidence to support any of their claims, and their leadership acts in their own self-interest all the time.

    • Evermyrtle

      @the Truth Seeker You lie, by calling yourself the truth seeker. You are not looking the truth, you are trying to make your lies the truth. Forget it, it won’t work. People who think will see through your lies immediately, save your time, but more important, “Save Your Soul” that you may be able to live in heaven after this life in heaven. That should be the most important thing in your life!! Unless it is more important to lead your children into a live with GOD. That is the most important thing in my. Now see how many slurs you can think up in answer to this post

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Evermyrtle You accuse me of lying, you accuse me of being blind, you accuse me of not telling the truth. Whether you are pixilated, mad, unconscious, or just an uneducated dolt, I have no cares. I have had a long successful happy life. I have been married going on 44 years, have enough in the bank to last me and my wife very comfortably, and have two wonderful, adult, married children. They and their spouses are gainfully employed and well educated. My son was number one in his high school and a Princeton EE major, my daughter went to an Ivy League school and works in the top-rated school in America, my daughter in law is a physician and my son-in law has multiple Masters Degrees. So I could care less what you or any other of your “buddies” on this site think. I hope that all of you have had the same success enjoying the American Dream. But, after reading the remarks and slurs on this site, I doubt very much that any of you have experienced much of the same.
         
        I have no real axe to grind, I don’t make up anything, I don’t work for the DNC and never have been paid one red cent from any political party or organization. I have spent 40+ years advising local candidates, serving on municipal boards and running campaigns and working as a capitalist, as did my parents, my grandparents and my in-laws. My family is rife with veterans, heroes and at least one WWII PT boat Lt. Commander was mentioned in two chapters of Samuel Eliot Morison’s 15 volume History of Naval Operations in WWII. He attended JFK’s wedding at Hammersmith Farm, Newport, RI and presented him with the crystal Tiffany model of the PT 109 in the White House in 1962.  My mother’s first cousin was a Marine beach master on Tarawa and served also in WWI. Three uncles were veterans of WWI and WWII and my first cousin, from a very rich family in Baltimore, was an ACE in the USAAF in Italy. I had one cousin flying missions from Bari Italy over the Ploesti oil fields in Roumania., in a  A20 Boston two-engined bombers, and I was an USAF OTS volunteer in 1967.
         
        Therefore, accusations about my patriotism, my capitalism, my lifestyle and my dedication to my country are specious. My two children went to private religious school, believe strongly in God and we all have supported our religious institutions all our adult lives, as did my in laws.
         
        As to why I contribute to these sites, I do it as a patriotic and intellectual service so that any one else stumbling on this site will read alternate views. As to your views and others, I only read the following: Biblical reference, insults,  and broad general attacks on the president, liberals, progressives and Democrats, as if they ruined this country and the world. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have had a very successful two party system and it has had its good, bad and ugly periods. But Democratic presidents have created more jobs, suffered through less recessions and have enjoyed  greater Wall Street gains and increases in our GNDP then their GOP counterparts. (By far!)
         
        Whether you except this or not, I have cited the Wall Street Journal Stats before and I will do it again in the next contribution.
         
        The country is not ruined, the recovery is slow in many places and in other areas it is moving along. The stock market, the housing market, car sales, and the creation of over 5 million private sector jobs reflect that reality. There were over 8 million jobs lost in the Bush 43 Great Recession. Much of the job loss that has hurt employment has come from public sector layoffs because of local and state budgetary contractions.
         
        In every recovery from a recession from WWII, housing has led the way. This severe recession was led and caused by the housing bubble, Much of the domestic employment bubble in the middle of the Bush presidency was led by housing construction and ancillary industries. This bubble attracted many illegal immigrants who were eagerly hired by all sorts employers. Therefore, with the collapse of housing domestic employment, stretching far back into the Home Depots, the WalMarts, etc., made the recovery all the more harder.
         
        Therefore, stick to the facts you can cite and not the rumor mill of accusation and conspiracy.
         
        Next piece will be on the real cause of the housing bubble and bust and on the record on the growth of the GDNP and jobs.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle You also call us liars and don’t even respond to what we print from History except to make fun of it.  You don’t show us where it is a lie or incorrect.  Take your own medicine.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  Frankly Zilchmeister you and Myrtle are two of a kind. What have you printed from history? Do you two know any history, except talking points from Rush to Grover Norquist? Confront the records on employment, the DJIA and the amount of recessions from Hoover to Bush 43.
           
          Personally I am defending my own background from the Marxist silliness an smears that you McCathyites always use when you have nothing else to say. You are probably closer to a fascist then any Democrat is to being a commie. Again, faux patriotism is no excuse. Every one thinks that they are patriotic. But it is the super patriot, all sane people should watch out for. Historically they are the most dangerous.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle 
           
          Wall Street Journal
          http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
           
          Jobs created: in the millions
           
          GW Bush       3.0   
          Clinton         23.1
          GHW Bush  2,5
          Reagan        16.0
          Carter          10.5
          Ford              1.6
          Nixon            9.4
          LBJ             11.9
          JFK               3.6
          Eisenhower   3.5
          Truman         8.4
           
          How does one destroy the Middle Class in 3 years? As I recall when Obama came into office, the jobs were bleeding at 800K per month. In fact they bled months into 2009 when the Stimulus was passed by the Congress and money was given to the states for distribution for shove ready jobs, jobs already stalled, teachers, police officers firefighters and all sorts of people who do the necessary work that we all need and appreciate. As far as I know, and most would agree with, jobs have been being exported by American Big Business for decades. In the last 27 years since Reagan, only Clinton created jobs of any discernible amount (23 million).
           
          For all you doubters, Democrats have created far more jobs than the GOP.
          On a year by year basis- Clinton, Carter, Reagan, LBJ, Truman, Nixon and JFK lead Ford, Bush I and II and Eisenhower by a wide margin. In 28 years the Democrats created 57 million jobs to the GOP’s 36 million in 36 years. Those are the facts. Look it up from the WSJ.
           
          Stocks Return More With Democrat in White House: BGOV Barometer
          By Bob Drummond – Feb 22, 2012 12:00 AM ET
           
          While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House. From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close.
          The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday.
          Chart: Stock Investors Fare Better Under Democrats
          That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office.
          “The market does tend to do better under Democrats than under Republicans,” Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S&P Equity Research in New York, said in a telephone interview. “Is it because Republicans mishandled the economy, or inherited a weak economy? I’ll leave that to others.”
          Some of the difference may stem from the fact that every Republican president since at least the end of World War II has faced a recession during his first term in office, Stovall said. Nine of 11 recessions that began since 1945 — and seven of eight since Kennedy ran for president in 1960 –started with Republicans in the Oval Office.
          Democratic administrations also may be more likely to spend money on government programs that stimulate the economy, Stovall said.
          “I dare say that most people on Wall Street are Republicans,” Stovall said. “But it appears the bread is buttered on the Democratic side.”
          The S&P 500 yesterday hit its highest intra-day level since June 2008 and closed at 1,362.21, the highest since last April 29. The benchmark index is up 8.3 percent so far in 2012, the biggest year-to-date gain at this point since 1991.
          Since Kennedy took office, the Democratic S&P fund logged a 992 percent gain, versus 109 percent growth for the opposition party, even though Democrats occupied the White House for 23 years over the period, compared with 28 years of Republican presidential leadership.
          The annualized return for 23 years of Democratic administrations is 11 percent, or four times the 2.7 percent annualized return during 28 years of Republican presidencies.
          Investing $1,000 in funds that mirror the Dow Jones Industrial Average under the same conditions, Democratic investors would have had $7,550, versus $2,716 under Republicans.
          The Democratic edge is so large that the party comes out ahead even without counting Bill Clinton (the Democrat with the biggest S&P 500 gain) and George W. Bush (the Republican with the worst market record). A hypothetical $1,000 investment under Democrats excluding Clinton was worth $3,539 versus $3,296 invested under Republicans except Bush.
          Adding Dwight Eisenhower to the Republican column doesn’t overcome the Democratic advantage, either: $1,000 invested in the S&P 500 in January 1953 would have been worth $4,796 after 36 years under Republican chief executives — still less than half the $10,920 nest egg accumulated in 23 years under Democrats.
          To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Drummond in Washington at [email protected]
          To contact the editor responsible for this story: Steven Komarow at [email protected]

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle The Housing Bust and its true history by one of America’s top analysts ( Not a commie stooge by the way, Google him and maybe you’ll learn some history!)
           
          By Barry Ritholtz, Published: November 19, 2011- Part I
           
          It’s fair to say that our discussion about the big lie touched a nerve.
          The big lie of the financial crisis, of course, is that troubling technique used to try to change the narrative history and shift blame from the bad ideas and terrible policies that created it.
          Based on the scores of comments, people are clearly interested in understanding the causes of the economic disaster.
          I want to move beyond what I call “the squishy narrative” — an imprecise, sloppy way to think about the world — toward a more rigorous form of analysis. Unlike other disciplines, economics looks at actual consequences in terms of real dollars. So let’s follow the money and see what the data reveal about the causes of the collapse.
          Rather than attend a college-level seminar on the complex philosophy of causation, we’ll keep it simple. To assess how blameworthy any factor is regarding the cause of a subsequent event, consider whether that element was 1) proximate 2) statistically valid 3) necessary and sufficient.
          Consider the causes cited by those who’ve taken up the big lie. Take for example New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s statement that it was Congress that forced banks to make ill-advised loans to people who could not afford them and defaulted in large numbers. He and others claim that caused the crisis. Others have suggested these were to blame: the home mortgage interest deduction, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, the 1994 Housing and Urban Development memo, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and homeownership targets set by both the Clinton and Bush administrations.
          When an economy booms or busts, money gets misspent, assets rise in prices, fortunes are made. Out of all that comes a set of easy-to-discern facts.
          Here are key things we know based on data. Together, they present a series of tough hurdles for the big lie proponents.
          •The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.
          A McKinsey Global Institute report noted “from 2000 through 2007, a remarkable run-up in global home prices occurred.” It is highly unlikely that a simultaneous boom and bust everywhere else in the world was caused by one set of factors (ultra-low rates, securitized AAA-rated subprime, derivatives) but had a different set of causes in the United States. Indeed, this might be the biggest obstacle to pushing the false narrative. How did U.S. regulations against redlining in inner cities also cause a boom in Spain, Ireland and Australia? How can we explain the boom occurring in countries that do not have a tax deduction for mortgage interest or government-sponsored enterprises? And why, after nearly a century of mortgage interest deduction in the United States, did it suddenly cause a crisis?

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle Part II of the Barry Ritholtz piece on the Housing Bust
           
          These questions show why proximity and statistical validity are so important. Let’s get more specific.The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 is a favorite boogeyman for some, despite the numbers that so easily disprove it as a cause.It is a statistical invalid argument, as the data show.
          For example, if the CRA was to blame, the housing boom would have been in CRA regions; it would have made places such as Harlem and South Philly and Compton and inner Washington the primary locales of the run up and collapse. Further, the default rates in these areas should have been worse than other regions.
          What occurred was the exact opposite: The suburbs boomed and busted and went into foreclosure in much greater numbers than inner cities. The tiny suburbs and exurbs of South Florida and California and Las Vegas and Arizona were the big boomtowns, not the low-income regions. The redlined areas the CRA address missed much of the boom; places that busted had nothing to do with the CRA.
          The market share of financial institutions that were subject to the CRA has steadily declined since the legislation was passed in 1977. As noted by Abromowitz & Min, CRA-regulated institutions, primarily banks and thrifts, accounted for only 28 percent of all mortgages originated in 2006.
          “•Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom. Check the mortgage origination data: The vast majority of subprime mortgages — the loans at the heart of the global crisis — were underwritten by unregulated private firms. These were lenders who sold the bulk of their mortgages to Wall Street, not to Fannie or Freddie. Indeed, these firms had no deposits, so they were not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp or the Office of Thrift Supervision. The relative market share of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped from a high of 57 percent of all new mortgage originations in 2003, down to 37 percent as the bubble was developing in 2005-06.
          •Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards. Taking up that extra share were nonbanks selling mortgages elsewhere, not to the GSEs. Conforming mortgages had rules that were less profitable than the newfangled loans. Private securitizers — competitors of Fannie and Freddie — grew from 10 percent of the market in 2002 to nearly 40 percent in 2006. As a percentage of all mortgage-backed securities, private securitization grew from 23 percent in 2003 to 56 percent in 2006.”
          These firms had business models that could be called “Lend-in-order-to-sell-to-Wall-Street-securitizers.” They offered all manner of nontraditional mortgages — the 2/28 adjustable rate mortgages, piggy-back loans, negative amortization loans. These defaulted in huge numbers, far more than the regulated mortgage writers did.
          Consider a study by McClatchy: It found that more than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending. These private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year. And McClatchy found that out of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006, only one was subject to the usual mortgage laws and regulations.
          A 2008 analysis found that the nonbank underwriters made more than 12 million subprime mortgages with a value of nearly $2 trillion. The lenders who made these were exempt from federal regulations.
          A study by the Federal Reserve shows that more than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions. The study found that the government-sponsored enterprises were concerned with the loss of market share to these private lenders — Fannie and Freddie were chasing profits, not trying to meet low-income lending goals.
          Beyond the overwhelming data that private lenders made the bulk of the subprime loans to low-income borrowers, we still have the proximate cause issue. If we cannot blame housing policies from the 1930s or mortgage tax deductibility from even before that, then what else can we blame? Mass consumerism? Incessant advertising? The post-World War II suburban automobile culture? MTV’s “Cribs”? Just how attenuated must a factor be before fair-minded people are willing to eliminate it as a prime cause?
          I recognize all of the above as merely background noise, the wallpaper of our culture. To blame the housing collapse that began in 2006, a recession dated to December 2007 and a market collapse in 2008-09 on policies of the early 20th century is to blame everything — and nothing.
           
          Ritholtz is chief executive of FusionIQ, a quantitative research firm. He is the author of “Bailout Nation” and runs a finance blog, the Big Picture.
          Procurator

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle You don’t really think that anybody read all of that rubbish do you!

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Thanks Ralph, there is nothing like having good honest, faithful friends.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle I am only interested in THE WORD OF GOD AND THE HISTORY INVOLVED THERE.

        • icetrout

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  Your #’s are as twisted as a DNC shills mind… What a screw-head…things were so bad under that dunder-head Carter that Mr.Death Valley Days-John Wayne Want-a-Be got elected by a land slide… /& Oblowtoad’s shills can only cover his ass for so much longer…Go away SHILL,just go AWAY with U R BS …

        • agbjr

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Dear ‘Evermyrtle’, it probably keeps him out of trouble … if he wasn’t spending hours rambling away on his keyboard he’d likely be out spraying graffiti on churches!

        • Evermyrtle

          @icetrout  @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  How bitter and twisted can a person get, I believe you have reached the limit. All people who hate the truth feel the same way!!

        • Hunkle

          @Evermyrtle  @icetrout  @the Truth Seeker 
          I can say with great joy in my heart thanks for all each of you are doing to help hold up the Blood Stained Banner of Christ our King.
          To those who don’t know to learn & move in the right derection read the Holy word it still saves & changes lives remember His Truth will set you free.
          asama hussein obama not alia mojoe hammad not even saten can lead you to the real truth.
          I know the one who can Jesus Christ the King Of Kings & Lord Of Lords
           
          hunkle

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Seeker, Why is it that you did not include the number of people that left the workforce.  Under the Usurper Obama it would raise the Unemployment percentage to over 10 percent.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  Seeker, you said, “…Congress that forced banks to make ill-advised loans to people who could not afford them and defaulted in large numbers. He and others claim that caused the crisis. Others have suggested these were to blame: the home mortgage interest deduction, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, the 1994 Housing and Urban Development memo, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and homeownership targets set by both the Clinton and Bush administrations.
           
          Franks and Dobbs were part of the problem and the Democratic House and Senate did their best to get the banks to give loans without checks and balances.  You see, the thing missing was that the last two years of Bush, he had a Democratically held Congress, not a Republican one.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mace started to buy up bad loans as well and cost the Taxpayers a bundle. Also that politicians, on both the right and left started making noises about housing being a civil right.  It’s a wonder that more “unknown” rights, that are not even spelled out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, are not given out.  I think I still have copies of the articles someplace around this mess I call my computer room.  One day I’ll have to get everything catalogued and hope no one strikes a match in here until then.
           
          Have a good day.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle The real question is not whether you will read, but are you able? I know that this isn’t a condensed version of Goodspeed and the Gospels, but it does have relevance for the uninformed, of which you are the card-carrying Queen.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle Zilchmesier- I suggest you open this piece by Bruce Bartlett and allow some light to enter your calcified cranium. He was an economic adviser to Ronald Reagan, a true blue conservative, but not an idiot.
           
          http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/31/housing-bubble-crash-oped-cx_bb_0102bartlett.html
           
          Who Saw The Housing Bubble Coming? Bruce Bartlett 01.02.09, 12:00 AM ET  Part I
           
          The current economic crisis is raising many legitimate questions about the failure of economists and financial analysts to foresee the housing bubble and warn of its collapse.
          There were, in fact, many warnings dating back more than seven years–but in the euphoria of rising home prices, no one listened. As time went by and no crash occurred, many of those doing the warning lost credibility or decided that perhaps they were wrong and moved on to other issues.
          I first created a folder on the housing bubble back in 2001 and began collecting material on the subject. The very first piece I filed was an article from a September 2001 issue of Forbes called “What If Housing Crashed?” by Stephane Fitch and Brandon Copple. Read today, the article was remarkably prescient.
          Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan first addressed the question of a housing bubble in testimony before the Joint Economic Committee on April 17, 2002. He dismissed the idea–or, for that matter, any comparison to the stock market, which had recently gone through a high-tech bubble–on the grounds that housing was different because of substantial transaction costs and more limited opportunities for speculation.
          Greenspan also argued that there really wasn’t a single national market for housing, but rather a collection of many local markets. Even if a bubble emerged in one market, he said, there was no reason to think it would spill over into other markets.
          In June 2002, I filed a report by economist Ed Leamer of UCLA noting that the ratio of home prices to rent was rising rapidly and that this represented a kind of price to earnings ratio for the housing market.
          Like the stock market’s P/E ratio, when it rises rapidly above historical norms in a short period of time, it’s is a good sign that there is a bubble–and that it could burst quickly.
          But in March 2003, Greenspan continued to deny the possibility of a housing bubble. In a speech to the Independent Community Bankers of America he said that any comparison between the housing market and a stock market bubble was “rather a large stretch.”
          Greenspan repeated his view that one could not generalize about the national housing market from other possible bubbles in a few isolated markets. He went on to argue that there was no evidence of excess supply in newly constructed homes and that the rate of housing starts was consistent with the growth of incomes and population.
          Despite Greenspan’s assurances that there was nothing alarming, it was apparent that a number of local markets, especially in California, were experiencing bubble-like conditions, with prices rising to clearly unsustainable levels. UCLA’s Leamer proclaimed that a bubble definitely existed in the Los Angeles and San Francisco real estate markets in a June 2, 2003 report.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  Part II Bruce Bartlett explains Bush, housing and the economic chaos he oversaw and was incapable of dealing with!
           
          In September, the International Monetary Fund called attention to the highly synchronized movements in housing prices internationally in its World Economic Outlook.
          This suggested that there was greater liquidity in the housing finance market than others had generally assumed. The IMF further noted that interest rates were unusually low and bound to rise at some point as central banks necessarily tightened monetary policy to fend off inflation.
          Indeed, the interest rate increases that had already occurred in 2004 were expected to sharply reduce the growth of housing prices in 2005, the IMF predicted.
          But in October, Greenspan was still saying that the housing market was nothing to be concerned about. In a speech to America’s Community Bankers, he pointed out that the vast majority of homeowners lived in their own homes–so if they sold one, they would have to buy another.
          Consequently, there was little possibility of a general downturn in housing prices. While Greenspan acknowledged that there had been some increase in home buying for investment purposes, this represented only a small portion of the overall housing market. And while there was evidence of a rise in debt service ratios, he nevertheless saw household balance sheets as being in good shape.
          Greenspan’s view was shared by economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In December, they directly addressed the housing bubble question. Their report’s bottom line? There was no bubble; housing prices were rising due to positive fundamentals and not from expectations of rapid price appreciation. And even if fundamentals turned negative, there was little likelihood that prices would drop significantly.
          I published my first column on the housing bubble on Dec. 15, 2004. In hindsight, I see that I was overly impressed by the views of Alan Greenspan and the New York Fed. But I did raise red flags about loans becoming too easy, the decline in down payments and the spread of adjustable rate mortgages.
          I concluded it would be “unwise to buy a house in the expectation of future price increases like those we have seen.” I advised every homeowner to get out of adjustable-rate mortgages and into a fixed-rate mortgage as soon as possible.
          I’m ending my discussion of this issue in 2004, but throughout the years since, a number of analysts have emerged on both sides of the housing bubble question. So I do not claim to be comprehensive in my review. I just wanted to call attention to a few of the more prominent analyses that crossed my desk when the housing bubble first caught my attention.
          There were many economists who did see it coming, but there were many others of equal or greater prominence and authority who repeatedly insisted that there was nothing to worry about. Under the circumstances, ordinary investors can hardly be faulted for taking actions that unwittingly fueled the bubble and are now having disastrous consequences for themselves and the nation.
          Unfortunately, it is in the nature of economic and financial forecasting that being right too soon is insignificantly different from just being wrong. And forecasters that are wrong when most of their community is also wrong never suffer for it. The trick is to be right just a little bit sooner than everyone else–but only a little bit.
          Bruce Bartlett is a former Treasury Department economist and the author of Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action and Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy. This is the first installment of his new weekly column for Forbes.com.
          Greenspan’s view was shared by economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In December, they directly addressed the housing bubble question. Their report’s bottom line? There was no bubble; housing prices were rising due to positive fundamentals and not from expectations of rapid price appreciation. And even if fundamentals turned negative, there was little likelihood that prices would drop significantly.
          I published my first column on the housing bubble on Dec. 15, 2004. In hindsight, I see that I was overly impressed by the views of Alan Greenspan and the New York Fed. But I did raise red flags about loans becoming too easy, the decline in down payments and the spread of adjustable rate mortgages.
          I concluded it would be “unwise to buy a house in the expectation of future price increases like those we have seen.” I advised every homeowner to get out of adjustable-rate mortgages and into a fixed-rate mortgage as soon as possible.
          I’m ending my discussion of this issue in 2004, but throughout the years since, a number of analysts have emerged on both sides of the housing bubble question. So I do not claim to be comprehensive in my review. I just wanted to call attention to a few of the more prominent analyses that crossed my desk when the housing bubble first caught my attention.
          There were many economists who did see it coming, but there were many others of equal or greater prominence and authority who repeatedly insisted that there was nothing to worry about. Under the circumstances, ordinary investors can hardly be faulted for taking actions that unwittingly fueled the bubble and are now having disastrous consequences for themselves and the nation.
          Unfortunately, it is in the nature of economic and financial forecasting that being right too soon is insignificantly different from just being wrong. And forecasters that are wrong when most of their community is also wrong never suffer for it. The trick is to be right just a little bit sooner than everyone else–but only a little bit.
           
          Bruce Bartlett is a former Treasury Department economist and the author of Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action and Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy. This is the first installment of his new weekly column for Forbes.com.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle   Simplistic nostrums and excuses do not change the calculus of the equation. Jobs were leeching to China and other areas for decades, but even in the Reagan Era, when his Fed Chairperson, Paul Volcker squeezed the oil-embargo inflation from the economy, unemployment skyrocket to 10.5% and it stayed there for two years.The era of America as a huge manufacturing colossus has been over for decades. Will it ever return? Maybe! But not without expenditures on education, infrastructure and new factories, of which the right-wing, in their antediluvian thinking, oppose.
           
          In retrospect, most people respect that draconian effort by Volcker, but unemployment has many reasons and the greatest answer to that is a massive effort to deal with our critical infrastructure needs. But, please note that the House has no interest in any spending that won’t reduce Medicare, Medicaid and possibly Social Security. They want off-setting expenditures to counter Keynesian spending on needed job creation. Choose your poison?
           
          Cheaper domestic energy will create jobs and a less expensive manufacturing climate in the future, but demographic needs by 100 million, basically white Eurocentrics (pre baby boomers and baby boomers) must be addressed. Most of them vote and at the moment many have been seduced by the anti-tax, anti-government right-wing, but that will end. Just read the front pager of today’s NY Times, and understand the GOP will not be dominated, cowed or destroyed by the Tea Party faction, of whom you support.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Why don’t you do your own research for what I stated is what happened.  No embellishment, no opinion.  If you refuse to do your own checking up on those that claim this or that happened, then what type of history person are you?  I’ve been doing my own digging of facts since I was 13 years old.  So open your own “calcified cranium” and allow some real light in.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Of course, I write my own pieces, none of them are stolen from the DNC, none are invented and for sure, I quote or give attribution to anything not written by yours truly. But any contribution here that doesn’t echo either the Bible-Belt religious orthodoxy, or xenophobic hatred, irrational conspiracy theories and anti-government sentiment is considered deviate. The great strength of America is pluralism and tolerance. Our immigrants, like our population have been a blend of the good, bad and ugly. In other words, it has been no different then the general population. In closing, the worship of the gun and the 2nd Amendment is irrational and its support will continue to deteriorate. We had 200 killings yesterday, and the only answer is get the guns of the streets. Get them basically out of the hands of criminals and nuts. But they have to be in the home and under control.

    • RalphZ

      @the Truth Seeker I/ve been thinking of what you stated and there is no law that will get the guns off the streets, out of criminal hands.  Even if you banned all guns, you would have the problem of criminals having guns and the law abiding citizens not having them and therefore being the victim.  I agree with Benjamin Rush, and to me he has been proven right. “I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them…we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism.” “By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds.” [Letter written (1790’s) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America] • “Christianity is the only true and perfect religion.”  The question to be asked, Have things gotten better since getting rid of the Bible and prayer from schools?  To me this is a good question because it covers all moral grounds from murder to stealing and includes lieing to cheating on your spouse.  But that is just me and most wouldn’t like this but I still quote and ask.  Have a good day.

  • the Truth Seeker

    More on Religion in America, and Intolerance on the Right!
     
    But even with this high level of religiosity in America, which seems to be concentrated in what we used to call “The Bible Belt,” and even with the rise of evangelical Christianity, a survey in 1998 reflected a definitive decline in church attendance. A study in 1993, and 1996, by C. Kirk Hadaway and PL Marler, noted that church attendance had reported that year after year, 40% Americans tell the Gallup Organization that they all attended church and synagogue in the past week. But if church and synagogue membership had remained flat for many years while the population continued to grow substantially, the 40% would seem to be quite inaccurate. In one study in 1993, Hadaway and Marler determined that at Protestant Churches in one county in Ohio and at eighteen Roman Catholic dioceses across the country, instead of 40% of Protestants attending church the figure was closer to 20%. In the Roman Catholic churches the announced figure of 50% attendance was actually 28%. In 1996, because of criticism of their work, they chose a 2000 member, middle-class, and white evangelical church in the deep South for their new research. This time, they posted researchers across the sanctuary and to count heads and then interview a sampling of 300 church members. They asked all of them if they attended church that past Sunday. The results confirmed their earlier conclusions. Of the 300 members interviewed 209 said that they had attended service or about 70%. If 70% of the members had really been at church, the attendance should have been approximately 1710. In fact it was 984.
     
    It is obvious that even in the heart of the evangelical South, where church is still serious business, church attendance, though overstated is at the high level of 50%. Therefore, we seem to have reached a cultural and religious divide in America. The more coastal areas, in and around the cities and the commercial centers, are more secular, and their “community” standards are more, on the surface “liberal.” In other words, people are not generally going to church or synagogue. It is also a strong possibility that of the 40 million or so Americans, who consider themselves without religion, or would not comment, probably live in these areas. Therefore, the community standards are more “watered down” in these locales. Also, of course, in the religious identification survey, 25% of the Americans polled considered themselves not religious or somewhat secular.
     
    Therefore, we can conclude that 25% of the population doesn’t really care about religious standards. Of the remaining 75%, who consider themselves religious or somewhat religious, a large percentage of those may be in more liberal religious churches or movements. Even among Roman Catholicism, where there is only one church and one dogma, there are followers with different degrees of adherence, belief, church attendance, political and social beliefs and mores.
     
    With all this in mind, in the Northeast corridor and the West Coast where income, education and liberalism seem to be at the highest, religious adherence seems to be somewhat lower than the rest of the country. Therefore, the so-called “Christian Influence” is different in different places. For sure, with our community standards, “fundamentalism” has not made as an important impact as it has in our more rural areas. Therefore our media, our advertising, or acceptance of language and our basic standards are more secular. But on the other hand, many do not want “fundamentalism” to make an impact! In fact they fear it! Culturally speaking the secular society is not perfect either. There are many aspects of our society that infuriate and disgust much of the population. Our unrestricted and free press, seem to indulge and hyperventilate the public’s insatiable taste for material and celebrity. No one is wise enough to know which comes first; the chicken or the egg. Is it the public that demands and supports our unlimited taste for garbage or is it the media that encourages our darker side? There is no real answer to this age-old question that has been around since Adam and Eve. But for sure, we do benefit by the free market place of ideas and thoughts, and we always have the right of universal self-censorship. We can tune out and turn away. But a controlled press, marching to the tune of a theocratic-style government that promotes one intellectual or moral ideal will lead us back into the political Dark Ages.
     
    But, after years of advancement, in the wake of the 2nd World War, we are on the dangerous precipice regarding the long term future of the “Establishment Clause” and a Supreme Court that could give credence one day to the flat-earth creationist thinking that is abound in the land. In one of the recent Republican debates, when the question regarding the belief in Darwin was raised, three out of the ten stated with their raised hand that they did not belief in the Darwin’s Theory. It seemed to this observer that a majority of the other seven wanted to raise their hand! Many of those seven, I assume, would certainly emphasize the “theory” aspect of Darwinism.
     
    Decisions on many of the legal cases regarding the Bush “Doctrine” regarding faith-based initiatives are starting to reach the courts. Last year, U.S. District Judge Robert W. Pratt strongly reprimanded and ruled against Iowa’s use of a Christian social service agency to administer its state prison. He stated: “For all practical purposes, the state has literally established a Evangelical Christian congregation within the walls of one of its penal institutions…There are no adequate safeguard present, nor could there be, to ensure that state funds are not being directly spent to indoctrinate Iowa inmates.”
     
    Even a U.S. House of Representative report states that the majority of the abstinence-only sexual education programs contain incorrect or misleading information. The report claimed that 80% of the curricula used by the recipients of the “faith-based” grants contain incorrect information.
     
    . In one report it was claimed that abortions cause sterility and condoms do not prevent sexually transmitted diseases. Of course, the federal government, under the Bush faith-based initiative, funds these programs. In fact research by Columbia University finds that 9 of 10 teenagers who had pledged abstinence from pre-marital sex had broken their vows in the six years since the pledges.
     
    Unfortunately, the separation between church and state, regarding these faith-based initiatives, maybe difficult to maintain, since few federal agencies are monitoring them for compliance and the power of the Presidency is behind their existence. It will even be difficult to change this process with an election of a democratic President in 2008. These institutions have been bloated with billions over the past 6.5 years and if they are cut back or cut out, the political firestorm will be white hot. Many civil libertarians and secularists are starting to denounce the Faith-Based Community Initiatives as violation of the “Establishment Clause.”  It has been labeled by many, as the “Department of Faith.” Currently the Supreme Court has heard arguments in a case Hein v. Freedom from Religion Foundation on whether taxpayers can file suit regarding the use of funds by the Office of the “Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.”

    • Evermyrtle

      @the Truth Seeker Forever seeking but never finding, at least never recognizing it when he finds it, because it is all around. The ant-GOD creeps into his mind as truth and if he doesn’t recognize it before he dies, he is lost to  the kingdom of heaven. Let us pray for him..

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Evermyrtle Obviously the “ant-GOD” has crept into your typing fingers. can’t you get off your idiotic soap box?  I am sure there are some other nuts who understand your ravings, but you have lost me. Go to confession, expatiate your sins, or call Jimmy Swaggart and receive salvation.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle To ‘the Truth Seeker’ … Please remember that you are directing your diatribe at a caring and sincere woman who only wishes and prays for you to have a happy relationship with Our Lord. You owe her a respectful apology.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Thanks! I appreciate the support of my friends.

        • SandyTrank

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle You sir are a fool! And Evermyrtle has been nothing but kind to you and furthermore you must also be a coward to pick on a woman like that. You are disgusting.

        • SandyTrank

          @Evermyrtle  @agbjr  Myrtle, I do not read his diatribe either. I gotta kind of laugh when I see his long pages of which he thinks we all have time to read or will take the time. I try not to read any of his either cause he is so perverted in his thinking. May the Lord have mercy on him cause most people will find it hard to do.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank  @agbjr He needs prayer badly, if we continue perhaps one day he will see his great error, of not only denying GOD but  ridiculing those  who do believe. I appreciate you support. HIS people must stand together.

        • SandyTrank

          @Evermyrtle  We’re family.

        • Evermyrtle

          @SandyTrank Amen to that thought, hang on to it.

        • Troubleshooter

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle @agbjr: agbjr, that guy has no genuine respect for himself, so there is no chance in hell (no pun) that he will show genuine respect for anyone else.  He deludes himself with the belief that “cutting and pasting” a lot of Socialist Atheist (sorry for the redundancy) diatribe will pass for the respectability that eludes him because of his self-loathing.  Fortunately for followers of Christ, we are able to love ourselves because Christ is within us, and as he is within us, we are becoming more like Him.  This is what the lost cannot grasp.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @SandyTrank  @Evermyrtle  @agbjr Can you read?

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle Ridicule is not something that GOD will determine Godly, is my opinion. I promise if you make a typing error I will not ridicule you.

  • the Truth Seeker

    Part II
     
    More on Religion in America and Intolerance of the Right
     
    Another issue that has been most alarming has been the spread of evangelical proselytizing to the military.  Presently there have been problems at Fort Leavenworth regarding Bible classes for US soldiers that appear to be anti-Semitic. The non-profit watchdog group, Military Religious Freedom Foundation has been alerted to a sharp rise in complaints from, not only Jewish soldiers, but also one’s from other faiths and branches of Christianity. The foundation chairman Mikey Weinstein, a former White House counsel, believes “It’s illegal for an arm of the federal government to push this ideology.”  There have also been numerous cases about the blurring of the “separation of church and state” regarding the service academies.
     
    In summation, in most ancient cultures the political leader, whether he/she was a king or emperor, was the highest religious leader and sometimes thought of as divine or a god. Caligula in a very extreme case attempted to make himself one of the Roman gods. In ancient Israel the King and the priesthood were separate, and their roles were limited to their respective areas of responsibility and authority. Later on, when they were dominated by a foreign entity, their high priest held the highest position in their civil authority. Roman emperors were often considered divine and nominally held the highest religious office. In the Medieval Age, the Western Roman Empire considered the issue of the separation between church and state, and it was usually left to the discretion of the emperor. As an emperor’s secular rule impinged upon the church, power struggles ensued, and these conflicts led to crises, problems of succession and often war. Quite often these conflicts directly affected political development. In the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantine Emperors had complete control over the church and the Patriarch of Constantinople. Eventually with the fall of the Byzantines to the Ottomans, and the death of the emperor, the ruling Caliph controlled the appointment of the head of the Eastern Orthodox Church. In modern times, aside from the United States, European countries constitutionally mandated certain religious restrictions on their governments. As for example, in Norway, the king is also head of the state church, and their constitution requires more than half of the members of the Norwegian Council of State to be members of the state Evangelical Lutheran Church. Even though freedom of religion is guaranteed, Lutheranism is the official state religion.
     
    In the modern states of Turkey and France, the separation of church and state is called laicite. The secular state protects the religious institutions from state control, but does exert some controls over religious expression. Therefore, historically, we have seen an evolution from the marriage between the state and the church to the secular state. In the western world we have therefore seen different configurations with regards to religious life within democracies.
     
    Hopefully, America will continue to heed the sage wisdom of our Founding Fathers, and especially Thomas Jefferson when it comes to religious influence regarding the state. There should always be an understanding that moral law can be connected with religious belief. We must always understand the inalienable rights of life, liberty and happiness, and part of those rights, regarding liberty and happiness, is the right to worship G-d. That understanding should always be protected in our society. This delicate balance between the freedom of worship and the secular rights of others has been a subject of controversy for all of recorded history. We have seen, with the rise of the secular state, a consequential decline in that standing of all churches, and houses of worship. But has the decline of the religious institution come from a “loss of faith?” I am sure that many will think that is so. But, I believe it is indicative of a “new enlightenment” where people can believe in G-d, and therefore live their lives with a greater respect and acceptance of others.

  • Evermyrtle

    Zephaniah 1:14–18
    14. The great day of the LORD is near,it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    15. That day is the day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, A day of cloud and thick darkness.
    16. A day of trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities and against the high towers.
    17. And I will bring distress upon me that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
    18. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD’/s wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of HIS jealously: for HE shall make even a speedy Riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

  • Troubleshooter

    @Evermyrtle:  You have probably noticed, as have I, that people who lack understanding very often have a head full of assimilated writings, and no clue what they mean.  For example, some people think that the Laws given through Moses are what followers of Christ must use as a guide.  This is far from accurate.  Those who understand the New Covenant, know that it relieves those who receive Christ from the burden of concern about Mosaic Law.  The Law was nailed to the Cross with Christ.  His blood atoned forever for all violations of The Law by those who received Christ.  Focusing on the Law is to maintain sin-consciousness, or condemnation thinking;  Focusing on Christ and what He has done for us eliminates sin and condemnation.  You can’t have it both ways.  Some of the other people who comment on this sight appear to not be aware of this, because I noticed that they often try to use Old Testament Scripture in a condemning fashion.  That is why Paul prayed for the lost to receive personal revelation about what Christ Jesus has already done for all who call upon His named.

    • Evermyrtle

      @Troubleshooter Why are you telling me this? Do I appear to be in need of guidance in    GOD’S WORD? Before I attempt to guide, I try to discover what the person’s need help with. I am somewhat like you in how I believe the WORD, you must prove that I am wrong about what I believe. I am very strong in what I believe to be the truth. I would not be surprised if I have not been in my bible study longer that you have. something like 70 years. I do not claim to be perfect in all that I believe that I am right.
       
      I am not say that I do not appreciate your efforts to help me, because I do appreciate your efforts in all of GOD’S work. Perhaps HE sent you to me, I do not know about.
       
      I put my complete trust in Matthew 22:36-40
      36. MASTER, which is the great commandment int he law?
      37. JESUS said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD THY GOD  with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
      38.This is the first  and great commandment.
      39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love e thy neighbor as thyself.
      40.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
       
      Truly on these verses hang all that I believe. I even try not to hate those who hat GOD and spew such as does many of the posters on these sites.rot. I believe that GOD has given HIS people these sites so that we can witness and give each other courage, to speak out.
       
      Thank you, Myrtle

      • icetrout

        @Evermyrtle  @Troubleshooter Myrtle here’s something which might be of use here… Father Malachi Martin… “God’s Response to the New World Order”… it  can be found on U-Tube… was recorded years ago & it’s all coming true now… when I first heard the interview it sent chills up my spine… now scares me having just viewed it after all these years…

        • icetrout

          @Evermyrtle  @Troubleshooter Troubleshooter is part of the evil…

        • Troubleshooter

          @icetrout  @Evermyrtle @icetrout:  I’m not sure why you say that I am part of the evil.  Perhaps you should question your thinking.  This is the only further comment I will make to you about your statement: Have you not heard it said “A house divided against itself cannot stand”.  Do you know who said that, and what He meant by it.  I suggest that you look back through my posts to see whose house I belong to, then ask yourself how I can be divided against myself.

        • agbjr

          @Troubleshooter  @icetrout  @Evermyrtle It is Obama himself who has divided that house and he is trying very hard to pull down to rubble both halves. Marxist theology teaches to undermine and destroy liberty, self-reliance, and Faith in God from within; it is a trademark of Marxism practiced and applauded by fifth columnists everywhere.

      • Troubleshooter

        @Evermyrtle @Evermyrtle:  I directed the comment you ask about to you because you seemed to be a little bewildered by some of the things people have said in their posts.  If I understand correctly, you seem to be unable to understand how people can quote the Bible and then say some of the other things they say.  Evermyrtle, there are Many who call themselves “Christians” yet they still focus their religious beliefs on the Old Testament.  I agree that “All Scripture is inspired of God, and beneficial for reproof, for teaching, and for setting things straight”.  The problem that I notice with many is that they do not realize that the purpose of the Old Testament was not to give us a set of rules that we were expected to follow, but to prove to us that we COULD NOT follow those rules so that we would recognize how much we needed Christ.  The entire purpose of the Old Testament was to direct our attention to Christ Jesus so that we might be saved, according to the Will Of The Father.  As far as those who rely on the teachings of others for their beliefs, they are making grave errors.  We are each one of us responsible to know and rely on The Word so that we may prove to ourselves the perfect will of Almighty God, which is that we believe in the works of His Son, Christ Jesus, and rely on Him alone to save us by Grace, through Faith, and that faith NOT of ourselves, but the measure of faith given to each of us from His own faith by Christ Jesus, apart from whom nothing came into existence.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Troubleshooter , No Dear Trouble Shooter, I am not bewildered by anything the WORD OF GOD says. I am only bewildered by how people do evil while claiming to be Christians,as well as those who  can believe that the Old Testament is no loner valid. I have read the Bible many, many times and have never found one word where JESUS CHRIST claimed such.All HIS teachings support the Old Testament. This is a little like killing the minister after he has preached the word, he is no longer needed, I feel like that you need the Old Testament to lead one up to the New Testament. In fact there are many of the OT phrases repeated in the NT.I have heard many, many ministers speak in my life time and I am pretty much settled on my belief on this score. It is a total waste of time for anyone who gives no evidence that they know  more about HIS WORD than I, trying to change my mind on that score. Truly we are only saved by HIS Grace, through our faith, acceptance and works, for Faith without works id dead. I have done all of these things but am still a sinner, because I do sine from time to time, never willingly but still sin.
           
          I do appreciate you efforts in trying to teach HIS WORD, I am making a very small effort to d the same, and must say I have had no formal Bible training but do have a fairly lucid brain, that I struggle to use it’s full potential.
           
          Thank  you Troubleshooter, have a great day and GOD BLESS YOU.

        • Troubleshooter

          @Evermyrtle @Evermyrtle:  I didn’t mean to in any way imply that you were bewildered by the Scripures; I’m sorry that maybe I wasn’t clear enough that it appeared to me, from some of your comments to others, that you didn’t understand how some of the people claiming to be “Christians” could say some of the things they say.  I wanted to clarify for you, if need be, that MANY who may even THINK they are Christian are not aware of the fact that, as I said, the ONLY purpose of the Old Testament was to point to the New Testament, which is of course, the person of Christ Jesus, and Grace.  It could help some to think of it this way:  Old Testament= failed effort by man to be Righteous, and New Testament=the simple, and ONLY way for man to be saved.  Although the purpose of the Old Testament was to point people to Christ, an added benefit is the clear and thorough History for those remaining skeptical as to the line of The House Of David.  As Christ said, everything in the Old Testament is meaningless unless a person receives Christ.  I refer to His statement that The Law and all The Prophets are validated by Christ and His delivery of HIS Commandment, that we must Love God AND Each Other.  However, even those are of no effect unless we receive Christ and surrender our lives to Him, because without Him, there is No Way, there is No Truth, and there is No Life.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Troubleshooter  @Evermyrtle Of course the CORE of it all is the acceptance of JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND OUR SAVIOR, something we have to do and do the works required because both works and faith are dead, one without the other.. Thank You, Myrtle

    • FrozenStar

      @Troubleshooter You are right again, Troubleshooter.  By Grace are we saved and not by works lest any man should boast.  Grace Grace Grace of God.

  • Troubleshooter

    @Maynard:God Bless You Maynard, and thank you for your service, military and public.  My dad grew up in the Great Depression.  Because of what he experienced, I was given lots of information from him about how it all happened, and the character of the takers, and how they are easily recognized.  My Dad gave up a College Football Scholarship to enlist in the U.S. Army Aircorps.  He served 7 years through World War II, and left the service with a sack of medals and ribbons and malaria from the Philipines.  He was a Master Sergeant when he got out.  After that, he apprenticed as a machinist, and when he retired from the U.S. Corps of Engineers, he was the Superintendent of a large U.S. Coast Guard Repair Shop Complex which included mat-sinking units, revetment units, and a very large, highly technical machine shop.  He was the finest man I ever knew, and I heard hundreds of people who knew him well say the same thing.  My Aunts, his younger and older sisters, told me that their father died when my Dad was 5, and that He became the man of the house and never let them down.  That’s the kind of men we need in this country, and I am concerned that we have lost the ability to produce them.  I know that we have many courageous, self-sacrificing young men and women in our military today, but their top-end leadership seems to be lacking in backbone.  I hope I am proven wrong about the leadership, but  I’ve not seen many stiff spines in the last 20 years.  I served two enlistments in the United States Navy, and I got out because it was becoming too democratic and too liberal.  You can’t have a democratic military.  I am glad to see that at least some of those issues have been corrected.  I appreciate your comments, and thank you for paying attention to what is happening in our country.  You should not have to worry about these things at this point in your life, and neither should I, but, unfortunately, it’s beginning to look like you and I might get a chance to serve again.  Again, sir, God Bless you, and God Bless The United States Of America and the Constitution which provides its structure.

    • FrozenStar

      @Troubleshooter A beauty in your heart given to you by your Dad giving you guidance and clear role model.  Precious Memories. No, we haven’t lost the ability to produce good men.  Problem is we destroy them in Pre-K.  Moms left their post at the home door years ago to go out in the world and prove what gems they are, multi-tasking, can delegate and promised that they would make the world better just by moving up in the medical, business, political, educational areas.  Guess we know how successful they were.  Look at the babes in politics now.  Real mothers.  Crawl all over each other to ensure murder of babies available to women who don’t know what they are doing.  Now they pop their babies if they want them, and rush off to front lines to kill men in battle.  What happened?  Men were threatened with all kinds of ugly terms by feminists to shut them up while the feminists forced mom out of her responsibilities and away from her home.  Business men were praised because their wives worked outside the home.  They should have been ashamed for making their children vulnerable to the wolves entering their homes and schools and all of the child’s environments.  The hand that rocked the cradle did indeed rule the world, and the communist Bella Abzugs, the Jane Fondas, the Glorious SteinHams  were jealous and wanted the moms out of their powerplaces, the home.  We are where we are not because of the quality of men, but the lack of quality of the Eves who hate the Marys.  Real simple.  Devils vs Saints.  It can be turned around and must be if we are to save our Freedom, our country.  Priority is mom in the home.  Close the Monster Federal Department of Education and return responsibilities to the States where it was when we had the best ed system in the world.  We can do this.  We must face our enemies and FIGHT.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 If life is so “wonderful and beautiful and finite.”  Why is it that Atheist kill so many people?  It is a just question.  Also it is your opinion that there is no afterlife.  You cannot quantify it or even measure it.  Just like Evolution.  Also, if this is all there is, why do you believe that it is a waste of time, especially since it is our time?  Jesus did exist and he is even in the Talmud, if you care to check, and his grave is empty as well as the witnesses who saw him were changed by the experience.  In my heart I know he is alive, even though I’ve not seen him.  This is faith and it is bolstered by fact.  Not trying to be mean but trying to be helpful in explaining what I know and believe.  Thank you for your answer but to me it doesn’t make it for, as a dead friend once said before he did himself in, There is nothing left.  I tried to show him the beauty of everything and so did his girl friend.  I talked to him about Jesus but I guess he just wouldn’t listen.  He lost his parents as well as a sister he protected and loved.  In a lot of ways I miss him for he was a friend who thought I was weird but in a good way.  He knew Jesus was the Only Way, Truth and Life and the Only Way to the Father but he had the same opinions as you do and it did not matter what facts I quoted or History texts I used, He didn’t even believe the Encyclopedia Britannica, which actually had more words describing Jesus then Caesar..  I think I’ll shut down for now and just reminisce.  Good friends are more precious then gold.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 These people are not looking for the truth. They build things as they would like them to believe, and that is all that matters.. You are a very brave and patient man to continue to make an effort to get these people to see the truth. I have mostly given up,  at least the ones that we have been working with so long and so fruitlessly. I believe, for our own sakes it best to ignore their ignorance. If you wish to continue working I will pray that you can keep up your patience and win one battle, at least. The biggest problem with them is that they are struggling to draw others away from GOD, with their false statements, and sometime make them look so real, they can fool some by making their lies look like the truth. They are very clever at doing that.

      • RalphZ

        @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77 This is why I cannot be silent.  They do their best to make someone turn their backs on the only way out of eternal punishment.  I know that a lot don’t like to hear this but it is taught and true.  I’m just the instrument and the Holy Ghost convicts them of their sins.  If they ignore his voice, then there is nothing to be done for them except to continue being a witness until the Lord shows me that it is enough.  Some are under the delusion that all of this world could have come about without a creator and it is a delusion.  Because they conveniently ignore that for this to happen they would have to bring back the belief in “Spontaneous Generation” which was proven false centuries ago.  I also remember James 417, “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”  I include seeing untruths and being silent.  I know that means being a pain but someone has to not be silent and where I really don’t care about the worlds certificates, learning or even the standing of the individual or office they hold, I’m not affected as much as others when they rant and rave as well as call me all names.  Did you know that I’ve been told by several, I should say a lot of people that have rejected Christ, that they hope I die soon and then the world would be rid of another person like me who refuses to get in step with them.  That has been mainly in this country, the United States of America.  To me this is interesting, the intolerance showed Christians, who are responsible for this country and putting down the freedoms they have as a “God given Right”.  Have a good day.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @NelsonM77  You are precisely right. GOD should be like family, only more so. We will stand by and support  our parents, spouses and children to the death.  Even if they are wrong we will not support the wrong but we will never allow them to stand alone.  But so very many of us will not stick out necks one inch for GOD.I just hope HE will give me the strength and the courage to stand for HIM, to the death if it ever comes to that. I have had the experience of standing alone, I know how that feels.  We should think, if we save our lives by denying HIM, what is there left to live for.
          Thank you for the post and have a great day.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ If Christianity is so great and wonderful, why do so many Christians kill people?Perhaps you noticed why that question is simply an invalid question now that I personalized it for Christians. Please present some specific cases of atheists killing people and I can perhaps try to work out why those atheists did what they did. Atheists, on the whole, don’t kill people. We have no reason to. Why do I think religion is a waste of time? Because that is a lot of time and effort that could be spent of worthwhile pursuits. There are billions of dollars wasted every year in the name of baseless superstition. It’s such a waste.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 Have you ever read the Old Testament?  The people that Israel were told to wipe out down to every man woman and child as well as the animals were very wicked.  They practiced bestiality, homosexuality, burning babies (newborns) on to their gods and even pedophiles were running rampant.  God did not want these people to infect his and so the slaughter did begin.   God even stated that Israel were not to follow after the doings of these people or the countries that were around them.  He was using Israel as an instrument of judgment.  I don’t think God was wrong and we will probably face the same type of judgment if we do not repent and turn back to him.
     
    But there were laws on the books that showed that if you had to use force to defend your family, you could use lethal force and nothing would be done against you.  You were innocent of the blood spilt.  If the thief/invader of the home survived after the sun rose, he was to pay back all that he stole.
     
    I do like the part about the false witnesses. It is found in Deuteronomy 19:15-21. I wonder how many would be released if the liars/false witnesses knew that if they were caught, they would face the same punishment that they wanted inflicted on the person?  Now that is justice.
     
    As far as Jesus having to die on the Cross for our sins and in our stead, he had to.  He was our passover lamb.  He lived a perfect life.  He was made the Propitiation for our sins. (Romans 3:25 and 1 John 2:2) without such all of the world would be heading for Judgment (Romans 3:23-24; Ecclesiastes 7:20; Proverbs 20:9 & Psalms 9:17 KJB).  This is why a person cannot be forced to become a Christian, they must come to Christ in faith, you know John 3:16 but the warning is in John 3:38 and Romans 6:23 KJB.  Don’t worry, no one can force you for it is not a religion Real Christians preach, but a getting right with God and a relationship with Him.  I have peace in my heart, and I know that all things, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” Romans 8:28.  I shall trust him not man.  Hope I’ve helped you some.  Have a good day.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ No matter how wicked the adults might have been, their children, especially infants, were innocent and no danger to anyone. The whole thing is just too convenient for the Israelites. It’s a great way for them to take over whatever town or city they wanted and claim to be faultless because supposedly, “god” told them to do it. All it is, is justification for murder and theft.

  • icetrout

    Father Malachi Martin-”God’s Response to the New World Order”  Father Martins warnings are all coming true… be scared,be very scared…

  • Boyd Sharp

    But who will stand up to this? Forget political party label. Either party is a pile of brown smelly stuff. The House is run by a spineless jellyfish who only shows his tough when punishing any of his flock who oppose him. The Senate belongs to the fraud in the White House, run by his front man. Or rear end guy more like it. The Supreme Court belongs to it. When a crime is committed, why call the police when they are the ones doing it?

    • the Truth Seeker

      @Boyd Sharp Boyd Dull, your evaluation is simplistic and anarchistic. Run for office if you could do better. The House is controlled by a minority of a  willful group of xenophobic clowns and their day is ending. The country would be a lot better off with a progressive, pro investment in its infrastructure agenda. Idiotic slurs and scatological references reflect more on you than on who you criticize.

    • RalphZ

      @Boyd Sharp  Boyd, I agree with you.  When a tax cheat is appointed Timmy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury and nominal head of the IRS, and Congress does nothing about it, then we know for a fact that they are accomplices to crimes.  There were others but he is the one who showed us that Obama didn’t care if he appointed criminals to office.  This is fact, not conjecture nor “idiotic slurs and scatological references” which I believe seeker gives in large doses.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp But he didn’t steal anything when he was there and it takes a fox to protect the chicken coop. They said the same about  Joe Kennedy when he headed the SEC!

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Boyd Sharp Seeker, I didn’t state Timmy Geithner stole anything.  Although if you look at taxes not paid as steeling  and making the American taxpayers pay more, then I would agree with you.  But I also look on taxes to cover excessive spending as stealing.  When Politicians state they do not have a spending problem but a tax income issue, they are thieves.  But then again Politicians have been thieves since Social Security was forced onto the American people.  Every politician, and I include FDR, has stolen from the social security fund to fund other programs.  I truly believe that the government should only be responsible for what the US Constitution states is their responsibility, everything else should be removed.
           
          Simple but needed.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp Your inaccuracies are legion, your broad brush knowledge is nil, and your accusations are specious. Social Security had huge surpluses in 1969 and some funds were used to balance LBJ’s last budget. Since his day there has been borrowing as the surpluses reached the trillions. In, fact the the government pays interest back to the Social Security Trust Fund. You may not like it, and even dopes have the right to disagree with policy. A blind squirrel, given enough time will find an acorn in the forest. If the fund wasn’t tapped by both GOP and Democratic presidents,  two realities would have happened: one, the borrowing on the National Debt would have gone up and the Social Security pay roll tax would have been lowered, meaning less benefits to future generations. That was the decision of many presidents and they felt they didn’t want to roll back the payroll tax for fear future generations would  need the funds. Whether you like it or not the Trust Fund is owed over 2 trillion dollars and it received payments weekly. Go fight City hall.
           
          Social Security was not forced on any one and it is one of the most successful programs in American History. Your opposition to it reflects an attitude that is in the distinct minority of all Americans, but it is right in line with the majority of uneducated dolts of the far, lunatic-fringe right-wing.  I gather anyone who has worked would be happy to get SS. Maybe you have never really worked.
           
          I suggest you run for office and campaign against SS and Medicare, good luck. There are fringe parties you would be quite comfortable with.
           
          FDR for sure did not borrow or in your idiotic words “steal” from the SS Trust Fund. What did the Constitution say about SS? I’ll tell you, the Supreme Court ruled on it. They ruled it was Constitutional and that Court was almost as conservative as today’s version.
           
          Aren’t you bored making a fool out of yourself?

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp ‘Truth Seeker’ is definitely a misnomer, the moniker should be ‘Truth Twister’ or ‘Party Propagandist’ . Franklin Roosevelt had fidelity to nothing, not the Constitution and definitely not his long-suffering wife.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp I think his head was screwed on wrong,, maybe some should do a repair job.

        • agbjr

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp Dear Evermyrtle, always hoping and praying God will give us the strength to right the world’s wrongs, big and small. God has blessed mankind with great gifts among which is free will. Sadly some use this great gift in hurtful and destructive ways and although others try hard to place these persons back on the path of righteousness it sometimes is for naught. Could it be God purposely screwed these heads on wrong to see if His people would recognize the imperfection and effect repairs? An interesting thought.
           
          Keep well and continue to pray for us.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ  @Boyd Sharp That is something we as HIS CHILDREN mus continue to do, we are all that HE has working for HIM. The world had turned it’s back, on HIM

  • the Truth Seeker

    My observations regarding this site and many of the others that echo similar sentiments are the following::
     
    1)      Many folks who contribute here are uniformed about how this country works and do not understand the Constitution and the separation of powers
    2)      Many people here do not believe in the Separation of Church and State, the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause
    3)      Many people here believe that the Founders believed that America was founded as a Christian State- that is totally incorrect
    4)      Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, and for sure Adams and Jefferson rejected Christianity and any organized church or religion
    5)      Many of the folks here are willing to see our country collapse if that results in the defeat of President Obama
    6)      Many folks here think Democrats are : Socialists, Communists or Marxists- that is idiotic
    7)      Many folks here do not like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, but few if any would reject those benefits
    8)      Many folks think that America will collapse under Obama: that will not happen
    9)      Many people feel President Obama should or will be impeached- that will never happen
    10)  Most people think that he is a Muslim: there is not one shred of evidence to support that fact. Obama has been attending church for many, many years
    11)  Most people on this site think the Democrats in Congress started the economic tsunami- they didn’t
    12)  The housing crisis was exacerbated by both Democrats and Republics, no denying it, but 84% of all the mortgages were written by unregulated private companies like Countrywide
    13)  Most people here are in denial about the world wide effect of Wall Street bundling and marketing worthless housing based derivatives
    14)  Most people here do not realize that the vast amount of the defaulted-mortgages was written in the first 6 years of the Bush II administration, and virtually very few were written in his last two years.
    15)  The two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the first unpaid for wars in our history-
    16)   Bush II took his focus off Afghanistan- Iraq could have been embargoes, its air force and military decimated by air
    17)   No president has ever cut taxes in the midst of a war
    18)   The Bush II raised the Federal Debt  (overlapping fiscal years) from 10/2000 thru 9/2009 from $5.8 trillion to $11.91 trillion
    19)   Reagan and Bush I tripled the Federal Debt  from 11/1981 thru 9/1993  from  $1.42 trillion to $4.4 trillion –tripling the National Debt
    20)   Yes, the Debt has increased significantly in the Obama Years, but that was in the face of the greatest economic meltdown since March of 1933.
    21)   Obama was born in Hawaii and there is no possibility of a conspiracy to fabricate that reality
    22)   Obama did very well Harvard and no affirmative action could make him head of the Law Review or allow him to teach at the Chicago Law School for 10 years
    23)   The Dow Jones IA stood at 6443 on March 6, 2009, today it stands at 14,000+.
    24)   On January 20, 2001 the DJIA stood at 10578, on January 20, 2009 at closed at 7949, the Bush Years
    25)   A barrel of oil on January 20, 2001 was $34.20, today it is $97. In between, during the Bush Administration, it had risen to a peak of $145 in July, 2008.
    26)   Our dependence on foreign oil is declining and will continue to decline
    27)   Half the people in the Gulf States depend on tourism and agriculture, and want deep water drilling

    • spyderdalton

      @the Truth Seeker Your name is revealing Sir… You seek the “truth” but are unwilling to see it… The truth is in one’s heart.  Look no further than yourself to find it.  It might open your eyes…

      • the Truth Seeker

        @spyderdalton Get a life- and realize there is more out there than you narrow, jaundiced views!

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @spyderdalton Why are you seeking the truth? So that you can make a valiant attempt to destroy it? It can’t be done!!! However you try, what ever lies you tell, however many thousands of words your writhe attempting us to listen. We won”t do it. We value the truth to allow you t threaten it. Now try to write another thousand words in attempt to erase this truth.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker  @spyderdalton Talk about the pot calling the kettle! So … how are you Mr. Pot?

        • spyderdalton

          @the Truth Seeker We know who and what you are…
           
          Lets call it what it is… the Sociopathic Party… It’s time to get the word out and expose the association of sociopathic personality disorders and liberalism.  These symptoms are exactly the description of Obama and nearly all in his administration. What’s even worse is, they recommend if you come in contact with someone with these personality traits, that you call your local police dept. because they are extremely dangerous ! THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind. (1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything. (2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace. (3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault. (4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed. (5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade. If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! (1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available. (2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands. Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best. (3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the “friends” they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business. (4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don’t tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media. If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won’t try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it. Based on this advise, what if that relationship consist between the people and the government?  What does a country of 300 million do if it is being controlled by a small group of 535 sociopaths (Congress) which has total control over the freedoms the people have been granted at the birth of the greatest country and born out of the need to escape the very tyranny that is destroying it?  Who does one call if the police and even the military become a part of it?   How about universal background checks and psychiatric evaluations on our politicians?  Do not give up your weapons to sociopaths.   It did not work well for Germany.

        • Evermyrtle

          @spyderdalton  @the Truth Seeker You are certainly right on that statement , it is so obviousl.

      • the Truth Seeker

        @spyderdalton Thanks Dad, I am glad you finally read my piece, say hello to Mom!

      • NelsonM77

        @spyderdalton  @the Truth Seeker One cannot simply determine truth by internalizing the question. Truth is truth regardless of what your “heart” says. Seek truth from empirical evidence, you will come much closer. However, if you seek absolutism, your search is in vain.

    • LibsLie

      @the Truth Seeker
       Keep watching and listening to MSNBC; can’t you do any better that continually blame George Bush for Barry’s actions?  As imperfect as George Bush was (far too liberal), he was not intent on destroying America; Obummer is clearly destroying this once great country with the assistance of pawns like you.  You don’t realize it because you have no vision but you too will be a target. someday. You’re just being used by the Commie puppeteer!

      • the Truth Seeker

        @LibsLie  Well screw ball- here are the opinions of 238 top American historians. So it seems I am in the majority when it comes to American values and history. In other words who the f— are you? Are you another anti-social twerp, who will run out after reading this and blow away your neighborhood. Listen- I am sorry your life has been a failure and you hate every one, including yourself, but life will go on without you.
         
        http://voices.yahoo.com/siena-college-research-poll-ranks-obama-15th-greatest-6328166.html
         
        Siena College Research Poll Ranks Obama 15th Greatest President
        By Mark Whittington
        If you ever wondered how President Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize when (a) his presidency is not even over yet and (b) his main claim to fame is sowing discord, look no further than the Siena College Research Poll ranking presidents.
        Barack Obama has not even completed his term as president yet, and, for a growing number of Americans, that can’t happen fast enough. But, nevertheless, the academics participating in the Siena poll ranked Obama 15th out of 44 Presidents.
         
        Mind, this puts Obama ahead of John Adams, a Founding Father, and Ronald Reagan, who won the Cold War and ended the stagflation of the 1970s. The One is behind Bill Clinton, who made the name “Lewinsky” a synonym for a sex act and the girl in question an ash tray; Kennedy, now considered by most somewhat overrated; Teddy Roosevelt, colorful for all the familiar reasons, but still a liberal fascist; and the very much overrated FDR, who botched the Great Depression and enacted Social Security, one of the out-of-control entitlements that is now eating the federal budget.
        By contrast, George W. Bush, who successfully fought off the terrorists after 9/11, is somewhere between Millard Fillmore and Franklin Pierce down in the basement, below both Carter and Nixon. George H. W. Bush is in the middle rank between McKinley and Van Buren. Indeed. The only Republican in the top 10 is Ike. These rankings should be of no great surprise, especially for anyone who has taken college-level history and political science courses in the past 30 or so years. Most professors are left wing, and focus their teaching and research through that prism. Students of a more conservative bent either argue with the professor and suffer the consequences at exam time, or else shut up, hunker down, and drink heavily after class to relieve the shame of stifling one’s beliefs and values.
        Technically, Barack Obama should not even be ranked because his term as president is not yet over. Placing him at fifteenth when he is still President is like giving him the Nobel Peace Prize when he has not actually made any peace. Mind, the whole ranking is somewhat skewed. A proper ranking would have George Washington on top for starting American democracy, then Lincoln for saving the Union, then Reagan for saving the world. Folks like Jefferson, Ike, and so on could round out the top 10. Clinton needs to be much lower than he is. GW Bush quite a bit higher, closer to GHW Bush. Lyndon Johnson, who botched both the Vietnam War and the War on Poverty, needs to be much, much lower. Ditto Wilson. Coolidge needs to be higher. But then, who is asking me? It will be pointed out that I am not burdened with a PHD. Considering the culture on a lot of college campuses, that may be for the best.
        Source:
        Siena College Poll 2010, Presidents Ranked by Category
         
        “Aside from the newest entry in the “Bottom Five”, George W. Bush, the others have a firm hold on this
        ignominious distinction. Three, Pierce, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson wrap around one of our finest
        presidents, Abe Lincoln and those three perennial poorly ranked are held responsible for a failure to avert
        the Civil War in the case of Pierce and Buchanan, and perhaps even more shamefully in Johnson,
        3 prolonging the national disgrace with a prejudiced, Jim Crow, reconstruction,” according to Professor
        Tom Kelly, Professor of History and American Studies, emeritus Siena College and the study’s other
        director. “Harding, well, no one appreciates corruption nor accepts ineptitude as an excuse.”
        Over two hundred presidential scholars ranked the 43 U.S. Presidents on six personal attributes
        (background, imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck and willingness to take risks), five forms of ability
        (compromising, executive, leadership, communication and overall) and eight areas of accomplishment
        including economic, other domestic affairs, working with Congress and their party, appointing supreme
        court justices and members of the executive branch, avoiding mistakes and foreign policy. T.R. led the
        attribute category and was tops in imagination and willing to take risks. Lincoln leads in ability with first
        places in ability to compromise, executive ability and overall ability. FDR not only is the overall top
        rated president but also leads in accomplishments topping the list in party leadership, handling the U.S.
        Economy, and foreign policy accomplishments.
         
        The Siena College Research Institute (SRI) Survey of U.S. Presidents is based on responses from 238 presidential scholars, historians
        and political scientists that responded via mail or web to an invitation to participate. Respondents ranked each of 43 presidents on a
        scale of 1 (poor) to 5 (excellent) on each of twenty presidential attributes, abilities and accomplishments. Overall rankings were
        computed by assigning equal weight to each of those twenty categories. For additional information about the survey visit
        http://www.siena.edu/sri/research or contact Professor Tom Kelly at 518-372-7890 or Dr. Douglas Lonnstrom at 518-783-2362.

    • braveheart 1

      @the Truth Seeker
       Don’t know what liberal source you got your 27 stats, but 26 of them are lies. Nice try though!!!!!

      • the Truth Seeker

        @braveheart 1  Listen Bravefart, get a beer, get some lube, turn on the Playboy Channel and relax. You have too much on your feeble gray matterless mind. I would like to know how you with your pea brain how you can determine any truth. Please cite your the “lies”. Is it that Obama didn’t go to Harvard Law School? Listen let’s agree to disagree!

      • Evermyrtle

        @braveheart 1  @the Truth Seeker You must admit he does try hard and enjoys himself while doing it. It just seems that he would spend the effort, time and the space doing something worth while, something beneficial!

    • WadeLeeHurdleSr

      @the Truth Seeker You Must be a Democrat  so to me what you said is all shit to me you vote for that Ass hole Obama so good luck

      • the Truth Seeker

        @WadeLeeHurdleSr You sound like a Hill Billy moron. Didn’t your mom tell you not to use foul language? My sense is that your mouth should me washed out with Lysol. As to being a Democrat, I’m proud of it and the party’s record on rights, growth, jobs, the markets, the amount of recessions, education and creating wealth for America is way ahead of the GOP and your group, The United Idiots of America.

        • agbjr

          @the Truth Seeker  @WadeLeeHurdleSr You feel proud to be a Democrat? If you are speaking of the party of Grover Cleveland, Harry Truman, and Jack Kennedy, yes, pride is understood. But if you speak of today’s SOCIALIST Democrat Party then you are not a true Constitution-abiding American yourself but a tool of fifth columnists. Make your choice: will it be the party of Give’em Hell Harry  and JFK or the party of Obama and Marxist theology?

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @WadeLeeHurdleSr Do you have anything against hill billies?? We call ourselves “Rednecks.” We are not ashamed of where we were born or of whom gave us birth. Hill billy or whatever just so we are not liberals.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker  @WadeLeeHurdleSr @The Truth Seeker:  Truth Slacker, you admit that you are proud to be a member of the party that passed major legislation without reading it, and like your hero Nancy PeLosti, you believe that it is important to get the Legislation passed so that as Speaker of the House, SHE COULD FIND OUT WHAT WAS IN THEM?  I have NO doubt that you are proud of that, the way a two year old is proud of how they learn to take their training pants of before taking a dump on the floor.  Seems to fit your intellect. (My apologies to Webster for destroying the definition of the word “intellect”)

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Evermyrtle@WadeLeeHurdleSr  Listen, let’s agree to disagree! You stay on your pulpit,
           
          “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ Matthew 22:21).
           
          You have lectured enough to me about your views on heaven and earth, I stick to public policy, of which it seems, you know so little.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The  What the heck do you really know? Every contribution from you says less and less. Get off your soapbox and talk reality. If you want to remain in some dream world about the process of government, politics and legislation, rave on. Bismarck said “the making of a law was like making a sausage, not a pretty site.” So deal with issues not hyperbole.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The If he doesn’t know that you know, he is in a terrible fix!!!

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Evermyrtle  @WadeLeeHurdleSr That is excellent advice!!! You only have to stay on your pulpit and off of ours. I promise for myself, not go even near your record for lecturing. I believe the others will agree.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  Look you have your silly beliefs, unsupported by public opinion, facts, historical reality or a primitive economic knowledge. There is no socialism in either party, no less the Democrats. You have obviously never lived in a socialist or communist country and your reading must be quite limited.
           
          Every economic element of our society is reflective of the free market. Our municipal transit systems were once own privately, but they went broke, But nothing prevents private bus operators, privates car service and private taxis to operate. They are licensed and so be it.
           
          As to Wall Street, our insurance companies, our health care system, our doctors, our lawyers, and our consultants are all free to practice what and where they wish. Our Main Street businesses can price as they wish. We have a right to buy what we wish and we can negotiate any price we wish to. Goods and services have a free flow, regarding the market conditions.Any American can move where they wish, go to public school or private and apply to any institution of higher learning or graduate school. We have freedom of religion and we fervently believe in the separation of church and state.
           
          As to regulation of the market place and licensing, it exists in every country, state and city. As to healthcare it is controlled by almost every nation but ours.  Healthcare is excellent in many countries, and ours is also a great system for the people who can afford coverage and have economic security. For all else, we do not rank very high.
           
          So, basically your issue of socialism in American is inaccurate, specious,  and not worthy of real consideration. But, it is typical of “no issue” people, who stay awake evenings, dreaming up idiotic nostrums to fill their empty lives with protest. To me it is like graffiti scrawled on a wall. It is a cry from the unrecognized, saying I am here. Well you are here, now contribute to the commonwealth.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr @The Truth Seeker:  There is no such thing as a Free Market that is controlled by regulating agencies and tax burdens, much less the political witholding of licensing (such as those 8 on Obama’s desk right now for LNG facilities) that exercises CONTROL over market factors.  CONTROLLED and FREE are Mutually Exclusive conditions.  The fact that you don’t understand this means that either you are dimwitted or a liar, or both.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The  Rave on- I have put forth my views, I have cited top notch thinkers and analysts on various subjects and you have answered with every invective possible. I have responded to that invective, and that has nothing what so ever to do with my well thought out perspectives and my sources of information. I believe what I wish, as a free American, in a free country. You folks talk of freedom, but seem to reject science, the two-party system, social responsibility and the rights of others to disagree. You think that loyal Americans, whose people have lived here for generations, no less hundreds of years, are some type of traitors. I have heard from you so called patriots, the terms: commie, Nazi, fascist, Marxist,  thrown about with impunity. We have free speech, it is a great right.  So I have the right to exercise my free speech. I think you folks are wrong, are in a destructive minority, are out of step with history and your kind, and like, has been cast of the dustbin of history for 500 years.
           
          Your kind is descended from Torquemada, the star chamber and the marriage of church and state which plagued Russia, Spain, Mexico, France and every other country that suffered revolution.  But, people move forward and that movement is decidedly progressive, open and yes, liberal.

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Troubleshooter  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The Regulation exists for the protection of us all- you can bleat and scream all you want. You are not getting your way, and you can live your life as an angry outcast. History is littered with people like you. You will also be forgotten and so be it.

        • Troubleshooter

          @the Truth Seeker  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The @The Truth Seeker: Truth-Spurner, a Free Market has NO PROTECTION; It doesn’t need any.  Your lack of knowledge of basic economics is surprising, considering all of your verbose rhetoric from obscure, Socialist rags and hacks.  No wonder you are so effed up in your thinking.  You are totally out of place in a FREE Society. You literally do not know what the word “FREE” means.  What the hell man; were you dug up out of a beet field in the Ukraine?  My family was given land in Buck’s County by Charlemagne.  My first ancestor on this Continent started a Church, the first of its kind here.  I know it has been a long time since you Russkies were permitted to worship anything that didn’t end in Romanov, but damn, fella.  Wake Up.  It’s 2013.  There are no secrets; only lies and truth.  There is only One Truth, and you seem to reject it.

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr Seeker, You told an “Untruth”.  You said, “As to Wall Street, our insurance companies, our health care system, our doctors, our lawyers, and our consultants are all free to practice what and where they wish.”  They cannot.  Doctors must pass a whole system that indoctrinates and gives them a license, controlled by government.  Under Obama Care/uncare, doctors are even more regulated to what they can and cannot do.  What procedures they can get approved, not by insurance companies but by the Government, they have a list of drugs that they are no longer allowed to prescribe to Medicare patients and even drugs that take care of pain are so regulated now that the people who take them responsibly and as prescribed are treated as criminals.
           
          Lawyers are also licensed and must pass a board examination to the point that if they ever disagree with the political stand of this licensing board, they can and do lose their license to practice.  So your premise is false.  It is a socialist system that controls all practices and even forces people to get licenses, not for the protection of the health and welfare of the people but so they can prevent anyone from doing anything that would be in competition with them.  I’m surprised there is not a “Thieves Guild” that is licensed by the Government.  But then the government would have competition but it would at least get a cut of their thievery. 
           
          Have a good day and remember, “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.” Proverbs 17:15 and the Government does this.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr
          Do you say that agbjr is not supported by public opinion? Compare the rate of his votes up beside your own and get a good answer to that statement. Hopefully it will shut you up, but I seriously doubt that will faze your ego.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr Do you suppose his statement is lying, instead simple ignorance?

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @Troubleshooter  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The Compare your words to you own behavior in the postings, and see what you will find!

        • NelsonM77

          @Troubleshooter  @the Truth Seeker  @agbjr  @WadeLeeHurdleSr  @The So, are you an anarchist?

        • Hunkle

          @the Truth Seeker  @WadeLeeHurdleSr I took a look at what you had to say about just how good the socialist marxist democrates are???  I must ask you what plant are you on it can’t be earth because real people. Here on earth are able to see what the muslim marxist lying demon from hell we have who call’s himself da pres. Is doing to this great nation all I can say is I am from the south & them Hill Billy Redneck moron’s. Have more brain’s than you will ever have when they take a dump in the john it’s smarter than you. I found that out when I seen what you was thinking you see you opened your mouth. That let all us who is in the know of what is going on see you for what you are    hunkle

        • the Truth Seeker

          @Hunkle  @WadeLeeHurdleSr Don’t you understand that you not only sound like a stupid, uninformed dolt, but you write like one! Do you really think I care what you write, say, or possibly think? I say advisedly “think.” But in reality, I believe you exist, that’s about all. I have said this before, and I’ll repeat it, you wouldn’t know Karl Marx from Groucho Marx. There are vastly more neo-Nazis, like you here, than Marxists. Look in the mirror and admit it.

  • Troubleshooter

    @NelsonM77: The Golden Rule might predate the Christian Faith, but it does NOT predate Christ; John 1: 3 tells us that apart from Christ, not ONE THING came into existence.  Christ did make reference to the principle in His clarification to the Disciples that We are to expend all of our existence in two things:  We are to Love God, and Love One Another as He has loved Us.  No greater oratory could possibly better describe the content and concept of The Golden Rule.

    • NelsonM77

      @Troubleshooter I doubt that it will make much of an impact to keep reminding you that scripture is no proof of anything. Morals are completely independent of any scripture and do not need a supernatural lawgiver.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 I don’t assume.  The “Golden Rule” was taken out of the schools, by the atheists and anti-religion crowd because it was “too religious” and they claimed too Christian.  This is fact and why I included it. 
     
    Man is bent toward evil.  If he can gain power, he will take what he wants, murder who displeases him, and even break every commandment that is written.  He is taught basics of moral absolutes and this does temper this bent of sin in him but it does not do anything else.  As Benjamin Rush stated,“If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into our world would have been unnecessary.”
     
    The law against Murder, pre-meditated as well, were given to Noah right after the Flood, Genesis 9:6 KJB.  Benjamin Rush statement about the teachings of the Bible would prevent a lot of our problems with criminals has been proven true. “I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them…we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism.” “By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds.” [Letter written (1790’s) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America]  Tell me what good has come about by taking the teachings of the Bible as well as prayer out of schools?  I would say that the increase of moral decadence and intolerance of Christians is the result.  We now call evil good.  To lie to a person to gain what you want is considered normal and acceptable.  To life a perverse lifestyle is acceptable and yawned at by people even when it is shown to be not genetic.  People are being forced to support same sex marriage, which makes a mockery of the definition of marriage that has always been from the beginning. (Matthew 19:4-6; Mark 10:6-9 KJB)
     
    These are facts.  If you want to state that Christ taught pagan religious standards, you do not have a leg to stand on.  Christ is God in the Flesh.  If you read what he stated, then you must come to a decision and I think you have already.  That either Christ is who he claimed to be, more than a prophet, more than a good teacher but God in the flesh, (John 10:30; 8:58 KJB) and even his Apostles considered him God in the flesh (1 John 1:1-18; 1 John 5:7 KJB). This is the way I see it and I also agree with Troubleshooter in that Christ is God from the beginning and could you do me a favor, where is the Golden rule taught in the Quran, writings of Buddha or any other pagan religion.  Not parts or pieces of it but the whole thing in one quote.  Then it will be the “Golden Rule”.  Don’t worry, before I reply, I will be checking the references out.  Thank you and have a good day.

  • RalphZ

    @the Truth Seeker You are wrong again.  You did not disprove anything I said and you stated an Non-Truth.  The statement, “Social Security was not forced on any one and it is one of the most successful programs in American History.”  It is forced onto the American people.  I tried, after I went into the Military, to stop contributing to Social Security because I wanted to open my own retirement savings account.  I was told that I could not unless I became a preacher, which at the time could claim an exemption under the law.  So it is forced.  Also to take from the Social Security Fund to balance anything, without the express permission of the American people, and it has to be 100%/Unanimous, it is theft.   This is why the fund is going bankrupt.  This and the fact we have given full Social Security payments to those that have entered this country and automatically received the payments because of their age.  There are so many fingers in the empty pot that it is not funny.  It was expanded beyond what it was originally ment for.  As to being against it, I’m really not, what I’m against is the abuse of it by politicians to pay for other programs as well as the idea that it is now considered full retirement, and the number is used to identify people.
     
    Read more closely please and then maybe you will understand where I’m coming from.  Also making fun of someone is not nice and if you want, I’ll start making fun of you.  Would you like that or didn’t your parents teach you better?  Have a good day.

    • the Truth Seeker

      @RalphZ Thanks for all your nonsense- I have said what I had to say. I am off this site, I will respond to other sites as they come up and as I see fit. So you have a fight with SS, so be it. Do really think I give a damn. I don’t. You are the odd ball out as with all the other kooks who love these silly sites. Keep on  protesting, grousing, fighting the windmills of life. I’m moving on and Myrtle, Dandy Don and the rest of you can continue to exchange love notes.

      • agbjr

        @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ ‘truth Seeker’ you are folding your tent and leaving? Then please let me give you a parting gift: SARAH PALIN. To all, that popping sound you hear are liberal socialist Democrat heads exploding at the mention of Governor Palin’s name. So much fun and so many fifth columnist Democrats to needle!

        • NelsonM77

          @agbjr  @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ Thanks for mentioning the nitwit in chief. Not sure if we could get by without her golly goshing all over the place. I do believe she quit the Governorship as it seems she was unable to handle the scrutiny placed on an elected official with national exposure.

      • Evermyrtle

        @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ Please don’t use my name like this and I’ll not use yours.

        • Evermyrtle

          @the Truth Seeker  @RalphZ The above post is Ralph.

        • RalphZ

          @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker Evermyrtle,  how did I use your name?

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  @the Truth Seeker I have a marvelous imagination which made me see when you said tat I an others could continue to respond to such as The True non-Seeker sort as a slur. I am sure that my imagination was playing tricks on me, so I apologize.

      • RalphZ

        @the Truth Seeker You have a good life seeker.  I will keep you on my prayer list and in my prayers.  Also being what people consider an “odd ball” is not bad.  I don’t like to go with crowds and nor do I.  But you go ahead and continue to believe just because a group says one thing, it does not matter what the facts are.  Also that the group is right.  A group that has a consensus is more like a lynch mob for they will not allow any disagreement with them.  Just remember Proverbs 1:10-16 KJB.  Also hopefully one day you sill also learn that Jesus is the only Way, Truth, Life and the only way to God the Father. (John 14:6 KJB)  Have a good day.

    • Hunkle

      @RalphZ  @the Truth Seeker 
      I am sick and tired of these lyers calling the S/S an entitlement for over 65 yrs. It was the socialist democrates that drained the S/S Fund. We now know that their not one of them worthy to control anything. I want to see each one of them put into prision for the rest of there days & take every thing they have do it today.
      Anyony who has bough into their lies are to sick & unable to vote for lack of knowledge Please God Help US we need You Now more than ever.  hunkle

      • the Truth Seeker

        @Hunkle  @RalphZ  I am officially off this site, but I still get emails- I haven’t heard from you before, so I only have one short thing to say: you are a stupid, uninformed clown!  Nobody is going to prison, you a-s, except you for not being able to spell. You can’t spell prison, Democrats, their,  bough! What makes an illiterate, anarchist like you an expert on anything besides going to the bathroom? Tell me, the world wonders?

        • RalphZ

          @the Truth Seeker  @Hunkle Seeker, Pompous – Displaying pomp; splendid; showing self-importance; exhibiting an exaggerated sense of dignity; ostentatious.  When you meet the definition, I guess I’m not calling you a name but stating the fact.  You need to learn to be nice or just go back to where people will accept you as a grouch.  Have a good day.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 That is your opinion.  I believe God did right and their judgment will reflect our judgment one day and then when you stand before the Final Judge, you cannot say you were not warned and that you had no clue as to his existence or even what he expected.  So have a nice day.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ Okey dokey

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ  @NelsonM77
      For no one in particular:
      The only thing I can think of that GOD did, that may have been a mistake, it that HE created man, and to think in HIS OWN IMAGE AND WE HAVE VIOLATED THAT POSITION SO BADLY, IT IS A SUCH A SHAME. OF COURSE I DO KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT REALLY A MISTAKE BUT I THINK THERE HAS BEEN MANY TIMES WHEN HE MUST HAVE REGRETTED THAT CREATION. Everything BUT MAN turned out the way he intended, I believe.

      • NelsonM77

        @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ It is man that must lament his creation, for it is god that was created in the image of men.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ 
           
          Psalms 53:1The fool hath said in his heart, there is no GOD,corrupt are they, they have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
           
          I have read and heard many times of some colossal fools, in my time, but this is the biggest fool, yet, a fool of fools , the man who says that GOD was mad in man’s image.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ Nevertheless, I say it again. Man made god in his own image.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ You have committed the abdominal, again.

        • RalphZ

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle Nelson, you are the one who is blinded by your own prejudices.  If I were to tell you, I could prove beyond doubt that God is real, would you believe in him?  If I could prove beyond a doubt that Christ rose from the dead, would you accept him?  Answer these to yourself and if the answer is “No”, you have your reason.  You show yourself to be a sinner who does not want to admit that they are a sinner or to believe that there is a creator.  No matter what, man has never created life out of inorganic items.  Also there is no evidence anywhere that a mutation can cause a jump from one species to a new species.  If this were possible, we would be seeing this happen even today but there is no fossil evidence and no medical evidence.
           
          So choose.  If you wish to live your life to self and sin, then go ahead and God will give you all the rope you want but remember, there will be judgment, whether or not you believe it.  As my car sticker states, Truth is Truth, whether or not you believe it.  Hope you have a good day.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle Absolutely, I would be the devoutest of believers. I’m afraid that would require quite the exhibition. I would request a meeting with the deity to have him answer a few questions. I would also need some sort of demonstration.
           
            No, we haven’t figured out to go from organic chemistry to life yet, but there are some very good minds working on the problem. Given that we are just beginning to look with the eyes of science, and that our technology grows exponentially as we learn more and more, I don’t doubt that we may some day be able to learn the secret of life.
           
             Mutations do cause speciation over time, and there are fossil records showing this. I have never had the slightest bit of trouble finding information about this. Why do you?
           
             Of course you wouldn’t see an evolutionary change take place, people don’t live long enough to see it happen. I don’t have the time nor inclination to even begin to describe how lacking your basic knowledge of evolution is if this is what you think of it.
           
          I like your bumper sticker, but I don’t think you understand it’s meaning.

        • agbjr

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle Faith is by definition unprovable. Faith is something intangible, an innate feeling something is absolute truth and no attempt to prove otherwise will never erase that belief. The Apostle Thomas doubted and was confronted with living proof. Persons of Faith do not need proof they can slip a finger into for they have Faith. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Evermyrtle  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ You have committed  abominable, again, not the obove.

        • Evermyrtle

          @agbjr  @NelsonM77  @RalphZ I think we had as well throw this fish back into the sea, doesn’t appear to be any hope.

        • icetrout

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ  M77 U Hairless Ape,you’re an outstanding example of de-evolution (DEVO)… :P

        • NelsonM77

          Faith is the absolute failure to think critcally. It is not a virtue.

        • NelsonM77

          Thank you for your outstanding review. Indeed, we are all hairless apes, some of us more so than others. LOL

        • merriel46

          @NelsonM77  Where did you get that information?  My Bible says that man was created in God’s image.  You better read the book of Genesis again.

  • RalphZ

    @NelsonM77 You stated, “If Christianity is so great and wonderful, why do so many Christians kill people?”  It was religions that killed in the name of Christ.  They were not following Christ’s teachings.  Also don’t forget that Atheists and pagans also have their killings.  Stalin killed at least 47 million, Hitler killed at least 11 million, Mao Tse-tung killed an estimated 45 million in 4 years.  We were called “Christians” first in Antioch (Acts 11:26 KJB), not because we were religious but because we followed Christ and his teachings, not man.  If you want to place blame, let’s be honest and place it at religion’s door and the religion that did the killings supposedly in Christ’s name.  Remember, be honest and stop trying to make statements to prove something that is not provable.  Have a good day.

    • NelsonM77

      @RalphZ Oh RalphZ, I was really hoping you wouldn’t make such a mistake. Those people didn’t kill any body in the name of Atheism. They killed people in the name of one or another dogmatic ideologies, just like religious zealots who do the same. Not to mention the fact that Hitler was a Catholic and he based his deeds on a belief in a god. Antisemitism was a quite popular ideology of the time, and many Christians were complacent in it’s application. That any of the others you mentioned were or were not atheists, is still irrelevant. It wasn’t atheism that informed their actions to kill.
       
      I will not play the popular word game Christians are now trying to play with the word religion. If one believes that a deity named Jesus Christ is the son of a god, has been sent to Earth to be punished for the sins of all human beings, and has a personal relationship with one’s self, one is religious, has a religion. To say otherwise is simply not true.

      • Evermyrtle

        @NelsonM77  @RalphZ It would be so good if you people could realize that there is a vast difference in a “true Christian” and some who just claims he/she is a Christian. Calling himself a Christian does not make a person a Christian If you knew anything about the teachings of JESUS CHRIST, you would see that HE never supported violence, in fact HE told HIS people, that if any town did not accept HIS WORD to leave the town, leave them alone, not wipe it out. Of course you have no desire to believe the truth therefore you will continue to believe these lies.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ 
          Matthew 10:34-36
          34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 
           
          The Bible teaches people to forsake all others in the name of Jesus Christ. It is a brainwashing cult that tells people that ignorance is bliss and that one man’s death is payment for all men’s transgressions. It’s a childish fantasy game where you always have a father figure looking out for you and his ideas are your own.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77
          You cannot teach something you do not understand, in all of it’s truth, you cannot take a few verses and twist them to cove the entire Bible.therefore you should leave the teaching of GOD’S WORD to those who  do understand it.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle   I understand that Christianity comes wrapped in a nice pretty package of peace, but it doesn’t take much scratching to uncover the nasty bits as well. They are just under the surface in the verses that many preachers neglect to highlight. A good number of so called “Christians” don’t even know that these verses exist, just as I didn’t until I sat down and actually read my Bible. I understand completely why someone would say that one must first receive the blessing of god to understand the Bible. It is because you have to already be indoctrinated with the dogma before you can read the Bible and find any of it acceptable as truth. It is an obvious myth.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle Are you the antichrist that is coming in the end days?? NO, NO, NO, can’t be, the antichrist knows all about GOD and is trying to destroy HIM an impossible task. but he is using you to  your full  ability in his service, in your small mind, the fool that your are.

        • RalphZ

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle What dogma nelson or I should ask what indoctrination?  Show me where Christ taught what you claim he taught.  Show us the “nasty bits” or are they like one other stated, hidden and you have to get into the original languages and then parse the words so that you can look at them a certain way and then maybe you will see that they mean to hate all others.
           
          Have fun.

        • RalphZ

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle You are a great twister of what is plainly there.  A Christian is not an idiot nor are they mindless zombies.  Faith in Christ changes a person from the inside out.  We do put Christ first in our lives, we also learn science, history, electronics, English, other languages, etc.  Because we accept Christ, we have been turned into the police in different countries, beheaded, poisoned, and even disowned because we would not deny Christ or our faith in him.  If this is brainwashing, then you have a different definition then I do.  It ain’t a “childish fantasy game” but for real.
           
          There have been more “Christians” martyred in the 1900′s then in all the years previous from the time of Christ.  Would you follow a “Childish fantasy game” to the death?  Think honestly about it without your prejudices.

        • NelsonM77

          Of course I would not. I have reject religious belief. However, those that have been taught from birth that the story is real, accept it out of hand because it was taught to them from an authority figure that supossedly loves them. It is people like that who will allow themselve to be killed, people who have no doubt in their beliefs. It is also these types who will fly plane into buildings. Say what you want about the jerks who flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center, but can’t say they didn’t believe.
           
          No, I don’t think religious people are stupid. I think that many are ignorant though. That can be a good thing or a bad thing. Ignorance in and of itself is not a bad thing. It can be corrected by simple investigation of the facts. It is the willful ignorance of the faithful that is so disturbing. Most people live their lives as atheists and trust in science for their every need. It’s just when they turn their attention toward their faith that they fail to think critically. Holding a position of faith is the exact opposite of thinking critically.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle The indoctrination is telling children that this stuff is true, especially when they are too young to have enough information to evaluate the ideas critically. 
           
          If you don’t know what “nasty bits” I’m talking about, then you don’t know your Bible. “God” ordering the deaths of innocents is almost the main theme for most of the Old Testament.
           
          The Great Flood = immoral killing of all life on a planet
          Sodom and Gomorrah = immoral killing of innocent people(ever city would have children and they would not be liable for any wrong doing)
          God kills Egyptian firstborns = immoral killing of innocents
           
           
           Over and over again, the god of the Bible is said to have committed horrible crimes against humanity.
           
          Thomas Paine was spot on when he said, 
          “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind.”
          –Thomas Paine

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Oh yes indeed, I know about the “nasty bits.” Unlike you, I know why those “nasty bits” occurred. GOD continues to lecture the people HE created on how HE would have them to live. I do not know if you know about the ten commandments or not. Well,, They were compiled in two commandments in Matthew 22:37-40. These two commandments wraps everything that the ten covers covers, very nicely. Man has never obeyed HIS WORD which was made only for the good of man, to keep men from killing each other doing abominable  things, that he forbids. He made us, it is HIS right to tell us how to live. Mankind hates that because he wants to rule himself, sort of like what you are doing, you want to throw GOD’S WORD out and give the orders yourself, you want each of us to follow you. Well, that ain’t gonna happen. You are wasting your efforts. Now, it is possible that you will fool a few feeble minded folks, without the ability to think for themselves, who may accept you foolish meanderings of the mind,  but that is the limit.
           
          Teaching our children?? Yes, we are , we are teaching the them the truth, the truth that GOD gave us all.

      • RalphZ

        @NelsonM77 It is true.  To place your faith in Christ is different then acknowledging a religion.  Religion is man’s way of reaching for God, Christ is God reaching for man.  But you go ahead and keep your “Unbelief” and I’ll keep my belief.  A real Christian will not harm anyone that rejects Christ but will defend themselves.  Take a look at the religions and you will see that a lot of them will kill or use force to make others join them.  Especially when Christianity is spreading and they are losing people.  You cannot force a person to become a Christian, but you can force one to join a religion.  that is the difference between a Christian’s faith and religion.  Accept or reject, it is your choice and I cannot make it for you and no one but yourself will be to blame on judgment day.

        • NelsonM77

          @RalphZ Again, this word play is ridiculous and complete nonsense. You sir RalphZ, have a religion. It is called Christianity. And, like all other religions, it is complete bunk. Good day sir.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @RalphZ Do you have a bible Nelson? If you don’t either buy on, which will be the best investment that you ever made, or borrow one and read Matthew 24. If that doesn’t change you are one tough nut, you are Satan’s man.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ I have several Evermyrtle. I am currently reading through the book of Samuel. This is my third time through. I just revisited Matthew 24 as you suggested. Once again it has failed to convince me of anything other than the completely fabricated nature of the text it is written in.

        • Evermyrtle

          @NelsonM77  @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ You cannot understand GOD’S WORD  without the HOLY SPIRIT leading, and some way or the other you  are rejecting the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT. One way to reject the HOLY SPIRIT is to read with a doubtful mind. You must be ready to accept it as GOD’S WORD and to be ready to believe GOD’S WORD. All the reading you can possible do will not open HIS WORD to you, as long as you reject it. Only once in awhile, as in Saul turned Paul case does GOD grab a person and give them shake and show them in a way that they cannot deny. I feel like HE is trying to show you but HE will not force you to accept HIM.

        • NelsonM77

          @Evermyrtle  @RalphZ Okay, so I have to believe it in order to believe it. The funny thing about most other books that I’ve read is that I didn’t have to assume anything about them in order to understand their content. If the ideas presented within were valid and defended by evidence, they stood on their own merit. It is odd then that the supposedly most perfect word of god is so dependent upon interpretation and the gullibility of it’s readers.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @NelsonM77 I believe this is another one we should ignore and hope  that he will get discouraged give up, baiting us with his lies and his overwhelming hate, and enjoying our reactions. With GOD’S help, I will answer him no more. He is far too evil for us to argue with.