Obama To Arm Muslim Brotherhood, But You Can’t Own An AR?


Sometime in late January, as part of a 213 million dollar foreign aid package, the U.S. government intends to deliver 10 F-16 fighter jets and 200 Abrams tanks to Egypt. Quite a nice gesture on the part of the United States considering back in 2010, Mohamed Morsi, the current President of Egypt went on record labeling the U.S. an enemy and called for driving Israel from occupied Arab lands. Sounds like the kind of man I would allow to possess world class U.S. made weaponry.

Almost daily, the U.S. media is entertaining some Obama State Department mouthpiece attempting to publicly re-affirm U.S. commitment to our ally Israel; and insure the American public that our government has the terrorists on the run. I’m sure Israel is just thrilled to know that the new Muslim Brotherhood sponsored Egyptian government will now be rolling a new shipment of American military hardware to the Israeli border and threatening Israeli airspace with Lockheed Martin Fighting Falcons. I wonder how this is going to play with Israeli plans to address the growing Iranian nuclear threat.

In the past, President Morsi has made no secret of his fondness for Islamist ideology and his anti-Semitic vitriol is well documented. Morsi has been known to label Israel as “bloodsuckers,” “warmongers,” and “descendants of apes and pigs.” Morsi, a former member of the Guidance Office of the Muslim Brotherhood has also condemned— what he considers— the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land while calling for severing ties with this “criminal entity, which is supported by America and its weapons.” According to Morsi all the land we recognize as Israel belongs to the Palestinian people. And the U.S. government is going to give this guy weapons?

In all fairness, the arms/foreign aid deal I previously mentioned, was made during the Mubarak Presidency. You remember Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian President who used to keep the peace with Israel? A man that was as much an ally of America as any Arab nation could be, but was deposed during the so-called Arab Spring romantically supported by President Obama?

Somehow our President, Barrack Hussein Obama is overlooking the obvious danger (or perhaps he is not) of delivering these weapons to the new Sharia dictatorship that has taken over Egypt under Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Perhaps this is part of Obama’s brilliant “Muslim outreach” we hear so much about. You know, like the outreach that occurred in Libya when they murdered an American Ambassador and some other bumps in the road. Oh well…I still find it hard to understand how the White House can justify sending weapons to a government that is ideologically pre-disposed to dissolving Israel and returning its land to the Palestinians. Why don’t we just give Morsi some tactical nukes and let World War III begin?

I apologize, if this article seems a little scattered or hard to follow, it’s because I feel like I’m on some kind of world altering narcotic at the moment. Barack Obama has that effect on me sometimes.

Here in America, our elected officials are plotting to limit, if not eliminate Americans access to legal firearms….AND…..AMMUNITION…., but the Muslim Brotherhood gets Abrams tanks and F-16’s? What happened to decreasing “mass murders?” Is this just a concept restricted to U.S. citizens? Shouldn’t international mass murder be a concern for the White House as well? Apparently not. Yet Israel is still our greatest ally in the region………….HORSEHOCKEY!

President Obama is not only careless, he is deadly. Sharia is now the law of the land in Egypt. On December 23, 2012, President Morsi crammed through a Sharia based Egyptian constitution that was opposed by over 60% of the Egyptians. Much in the same way President Obama is seeking to cram through gun restrictions—currently opposed by a majority of Americans—that will neuter our 2nd Amendment to our U.S. Constitution.  Clearly both of these men think similarly and share common philosophies.

Although there is a petition…of sorts…circulating around D.C. asking the President to cancel this shipment of weapons (wrapped in a foreign aid package) the White House has been dodging and stalling on addressing the concerns of opponents of so-called Egyptian Aid. My guess is its already on Egyptian soil and Jay Carney will wait until the Friday night of inaugural weekend to announce its arrival in Muslim territory. This way the Obama media can distract Americans from his latest move against Israel while Obama celebrates his second inauguration.







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  • DavidPeacock

    you want to bet????I own many and I will use them to fight for my countries freedom from obamaoppression.

    • Rae60

      @DavidPeacock
       Are your weapons registered David?  If so they know where you are, and can come and take them from you.  Why do you think they are pushing to have all weapon sales, at gun shows require registry as well.  I’ll never forget the clips of the 70 year old woman wrestling with the police when they came to disarm her, right after Katrina.  That woman needed her gun for protection from the criminals that were looking to steel whatever they could, from whoever they could.  Just mind boggling to me that so many voted Obama back into office, after all the things he has done by executive order, when he knew it would never make it through congress.

      • ff_emt

        @Rae60  @DavidPeacock And if they’re registered, what if?  Report as stolen; don’t file insurance claim, no fraud.

      • paladin211

        Nobama was voted in by the LEECHES of the country, not by TRUE AMERICANS!!!!!! Everyone’s afraid to take action, ’cause if he’s thrown out, or worse, assassinated, the ENTITLEMENT ARMY will rise up and destroy all of our inner cities!!! Good luck with THAT scenario!!!!!!!
         
        Sweet dreams. I’m going to bed!!!  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………….
         
        Armed Vietnam Vet
         
         @paladin211

  • Phil185

    Isreal, we pray for you, this President is against you, stand ready and defend your country!

  • ShawnNJ

    This is common for people such as Obama who hate this country and what it stands for.
     
    His objective is to destroy this one Great Nation and tear it down to a third world nation status. We all have to be on a even playing frield. Israel is in the way of that goal with his real brothers in arms.

  • Nottakenyan

    The price ignornant, uneducated voters are forcing taxpaying Americans to endure.
     
    This country is overrun by ignorant freeloaders who have helped place an illegal, lying, half-breed, Muslim Kenyigar in the White House!!!

    • ShawnNJ

      @Nottakenyan
       Why don’t you say what you really think.

      • Helvus

        It looks to me like he said what a lot of people think. I sure a hell agree. We have Adolph Hitler in the White House and he’s going to do the same thing to this coutry that Adolph did to Germany.

      • NavyVet

        @ShawnNJ  @Nottakenyan Because, the censors would get him!

  • Doug Rodrigues

    The question which comes to mind is:  Is Barack Obama a Muslim and NOT a Christian?  I side about 90% that Obama is probably a Muslim who lies and claims to be a Christian.

    • luciussnow1951

      @Doug Rodrigues Gee, ya think…??  When he says in his book, IN WRITING, that he will ‘side’ with his ‘Muslim Brother’ when the winds of change take place….

    • Rae60

      Wayne Rodrigues says hello, and he agrees with you!

    • hiway280z

      @Doug Rodrigues
       withhis help the brotherhood is taking over all the middle east. Do you have any idea of the millions he has brought to our country ? Do you know he just passed an ex order there is no limit now on immagration.

  • gnafuasusual

    The conspiracy is taking place. When a U.S. President arms the enemy, what is that called by Americans?  If Congress doesn’t get some uu soon, The U.S.A. is doomed. Is the entire administration made up of squalling kids from the 1960′s? I think not. There must be some logical congressmen/ladies in the mix somewhere!

    • ShawnNJ

      @gnafuasusual
       The House has the power to stop all funding. WE all need to write our reprsentatives.

  • Brian Hill

    MB is a documented ENEMY! they have proven that their own rhetoric is FACT!  How can this be justified? And no r Obama a leopard does NOT change his spots. Nothing else needs be said!

    • Sam Smart

      @Brian Hill You do know that the Muslim Brotherhood has met with Obama in the White House?  You did know that right?  Obama IS a terrorist and is arming terrorists openly using the stolen tax money from the American People.  Time to rise up People and throw these bums in prison or execute them.

  • CarlStevenson

    Just look at Syria … Obama is conflicted … He wants to see Assad be overthrown by his alQueda and Muslim Brotherhood allies, but he can’t help himself but to admire Assad’s brutal dictatorial tactics.
    Obama can hardly wait to employ them here on us … All that’s standing in his way is that he hasn’t been able to disarm us yet.

  • Flyman

    Face it, America is in the early stage of dying, and this despicable person that was reelected is doing all he can to help.  Not mention Pelosi, Reed and the other Socialist/Communists in the Congress aiding and abetting him.  I am seriously thinking that by the end of Comrade Obama’s term, it will be to late to recover.

    • downenray

      @Flyman That’s why it should be very soon that some states secede. Every day Obama gets this nation farther into debts we cannot pay, especially with the higher taxes which will result in less tax payments coming in. Why less in? Because fewer will have jobs and our incomes will be less even if the percentage paid as taxes is increased.

      • gnafuasusual

        @downenray  @Flyman
         son-in-law just had his first new taxes removed from his measly pay check. $20.00 for extra taxes. Just saying!

    • GeorgeSmith1

      @Flyman Are you referencing Obama’s second, third, or fourth term.  I expect him to declare himself President for life before the next Presidential election.

      • TinMan 67

        @GeorgeSmith1  @Flyman
         I thought the same thing but my brother corrected me. Its going to be King Husain I and Queen whatever her name is.

        • viper41

          @TinMan 67  @GeorgeSmith1  @Flyman That would be “Queen Lard-Ass”

  • GeorgeKish

    Now really what do you think a Muslim would do?

    • GeorgeSmith1

      @GeorgeKish Muslims believe it to be perfectly OK to lie for the cause.

  • NilesWheeler

    Why is this considered news? Muslims are required to help one another….Lord help

  • An American Patriot

    Well people, how much more can this undocumented illegal president do to convince that he is a traitor to America?
     
    Arming sworn enemies of America is it.
     
    It is time for either the one eyed, one armed man or the Lone Wolf to act.
     
    one mile…………one for one

  • drgruber

    What on earth?!!  I wonder if those who voted Obama in for a second term are really okay with this?  He’s going to go ahead and arm Israel’s enemy?  Well, he’s in for his last term (unless he ramrods a new law putting unlimited terms back in), so the gloves are off.  What does he care about offending true patriotic Democrats?
     
    I confess to wishing that for some unknown reason, those F-16s and tanks had mysteriously gotten some fatal defects which came into play as soon as they were tried out, or used against our long time ally, Israel.

    • gnafuasusual

      @drgruber
       Those who voted don’t know the world exists! They are me, me people only. Use other people’s money and not their own. In other words, they are actually stupid and don’t give a toot.

    • SamCrisp

      @drgruber ALL OF THE DEFECTS ARE IN WASHINGTON DC!   TIME FOR THE PATRIOTS TO RISE UP AND TAKE BACK OUR GREAT USA!   THE TYRANTS NEED TO BE DEPOSED, A.S.A.P. or sooner!!!!!!!!!!

  • mike

    Egypt already has 220 F-16 making it the 4th largest fleet of F-16,, 10 more is not going to make much difference,
    Same with the tanks they already have over a 1,000 Abrams tanks,

    • gnafuasusual

      I think it was a deal made by Carter or Clinton and U.S. still owed Egypt twenty more F-16′s. Egypt was at one time not Muslim Brotherhood Morsi. Big Difference!

      • bigdaano1

        @gnafuasusual 
         
        You cannot talk logic to a potato.

        • Sam Smart

          @bigdaano1  @gnafuasusual Or to an Obamanite.

    • JacquelineLynn

      Not the point! This deal was made with a peace keeping leader who maintained good relations with Israel and America.  He is now ousted, with help from B. Hussein O. and the new leader is one who supports Shari a and Jihad. We should not be keeping any arrangements that were made with the old regime. We should not be sending any aid to Islamic countries with ties to Jihadist groups.
      Better we keep the arms and the money for our own defense. We will be needing it all soon!

    • LDommel

      GOOD MIKE USE “YOUR” TAX $ if it’s not going to make a difference. Do ANY OF YOU HAVE “COMMON SENSE”?

  • Kevin B

    Who the Bleep does this A hole think he is? We are miles apart from Egypt now. There is no way we should be going through with this deal.

    • Sam Smart

      @Kevin B Understand that Obama has a master plan to spread Islam throughout the world.  Look at all the countries Obama has helped ousting their kings or heads of government and then putting in the hard core Brotherhood moslems. Now the U.S. has armed Egypt with very powerful weapons to help to destroy Israel.  Israel WILL retaliate with nuclear weapons on every Islamic country around them.  This has been foretold in the bible and is going to happen soon.

  • An American Patriot

    What would the American Military do if there were a TWO MILLION MAN MARCH on Washington and they drug this POS out of the White House and administered punishment for treason?

  • shiz

    …. it’s all about weakening the U.S. That’s what they voted for … that’s what they’re getting.

  • DustyFae

    obama did not buy all those bullets for over seas, they are for our own mass murder.Whites and all religion are first to go.Except for sharia and islamic muslims laws of the peacefull religion are going to be the only one left.

    • bigdaano1

      @DustyFae 
       
      Well, I have a bout 20,000 of the little critters for THEM!

    • MarkHess1

      The bullets they bought cant be used overseas!! they are all hollow points and under the Geneva convention cannot be used against a foriegn enemy!! but can be used against us here in America!! lock and load people

  • SamCrisp

    Why don’t we just give Morsi some tactical nukes and let World War III begin?  ISRAEL will make dust out of all of them,and they think they are the BAD BOYS,not!

    • Sam Smart

      @SamCrisp It is coming to that….soon.  We will endure a nuclear war possibly in the next few months.  Thanks Oblamo!

  • lock the hatches

    What’s wrong with Obama arming Muslim Brotherhood? He’s already armed the Juarez and Senora Cartels in Mexico which have murdered hundreds of Mexicans with those arms, not to mention a few Americans. He’s keeping true to his character.

  • JuicyFruit

    There’s just one small problem. The gun owners in America went out and bought up all the ammo right after Sandy Hook. Almost every caliber is on a one year back-order. Let blue gums arm the musloids. They will have to scrounge for ammo. Some posters keep crying about all the millions of rounds the fedgov has purchased (1.3 billion?) but it was estimated that American gun owners had over 7 billion rounds of all kinds of ammo, some of which has been stored for years. And now after Sandy Hook, we just took another billion or so rounds off the shelf.
    Jeez! What’s the American gun owners going to do with all that ammo?

    • Sam Smart

      @JuicyFruit TAKE OUT THE TRASH!

  • oldgreyandugly

    The chief of Police in Chicago has already said he would order his cops to shoot any citizen that will not give up his or her gun if the government orders all guns to be turned in.
    So, now we know where he is coming from.

    • DESERTHAWK

      The Chief of Police will be the very first Obama minion taken out should he begin to assault patriotic gun owners in Chicago.  He has to come out into the daylight sometime and when he does, he will be greeted, not with Hail to the Chief, but with a Hail of Lead.  When you play with the big boys, expect to play by their rules and in this nation, the people rule.

    • Sam Smart

      @oldgreyandugly If it comes to that then their will be a lot of dead cops in Chicago.

  • harryh44

    He is known Muslim himself so you can count on him giving them our country.

    • viper41

      @harryh44 He is running a close second to Carter, when he gave away the Panama canal. Any President has far too many powers and they all needed to be reined in! Particularly the current Muslim one

      • ff_emt

        @viper41  @harryh44 øvømit long ago surpassed Carter, who at least (I think) loved the USA.

  • jimmylu

    that’s why he does n ot want us to have AR’s so he can give them to his Muslim buddies.

  • NavyVet

    Obama is guilty of piracy and High Treason, he should be immediately captured and summarily executed for his crimes – WHY IS CONGRESS DOING NOTHING ABOUT THIS FRAUD AND USURPER – is all of Congress part and party to these crimes? If our “government” will not abide by their SWORN OATHS, then it is the Constitutional DUTY of every American to wrest the reins of government back from these criminals and traitors and re-institute a Government under the Constitution and other Organic Laws of These United States of America.

    • DESERTHAWK

      @NavyVet There are 545 people in D. C. that wnat what’s happening – to happen.  What we see is exactly and absolutely what they want to happen.  WE ARE SCREWED!!

    • bigdaano1

      @NavyVet 
       
      Indeed, Obama should face a Military Firing Squad.

      • Sam Smart

        @bigdaano1  @NavyVet As should most of Congress.

      • ff_emt

        @bigdaano1  @NavyVet oh, I want it to be so publicized on all the networks that currently fawn over the it-in-chief

    • Sam Smart

      @NavyVet I’m afraid most of Congress are just lap dogs doing as they are told and waiting for their next big taxpayer funded check so they can buy more land and goods while the working person loses everything…including life and liberty.

  • Rickatrawlins

    What “if” the hand books to operate these weapons arn’t written muslum?  Just because they have our guns does not mean they can handle them and effectively… lol  this could be a Blessing in discise to reveal the puppeteers… and they pay the price to reveal themselves kinda like the carrot in front of the ass…

    • bigdaano1

      @Rickatrawlins 
       
      That is a leap of faith.
      Our ABRAMS should never be placed in the hands of ANY FOREIGN NATION!!!!!!!!!

    • john2

      LOL? So sorry, but  No Can Do, Your reply there  isn’t even the beginning of being funny. Giving these kind of weapons and this kind of money to these people that hate beyond hate all of  Israel  and have no real love for the USA as well,. is just unblievable, actually beyond understanding,  But certainly not something that one should think of in terms of trying to manufacture a little humor, as it looks as if that was your intent.. The people ruling Egypt are now one of the newer members of the ‘muslim brothrthood’. You know, Egypt, one of the very few ‘close allies’ (not) we still have in that part of the world. Anything at all funny about that?. I think not, but maybe that’s just me!!

  • AngryAmerican

    Appalling. When will Americans wake up? Arming sworn enemies of America and Israel? Do members of Congress and wealthy media entertainers seriously believe they will somehow be exempted from murder and remain safe in their gated communities when the radical Islamists bring the war (again) to our homeland? Do they honestly think all their salaries and perks will continue after Obama has destroyed this country along with the businesses and employees that generate revenue? Whom do they think will protect them when the executive branch invites the murderers in with open arms? It is insanity. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

    • ff_emt

      Patriotic Americans have awakened, long ago; we’re outnumbered by the moochers and REgressives.  Sometimes I think, “Molon Labe!”.  If worse comes to worst in this country, no, those “elite” s.o.b.s will not stand a better chance than we, but at least we know where we’re going, and THEIR eternal resting place won’t be nearly as nice.  MARANATHA!!  <(((><

  • Ott

    Why to Islam? the religion of peace don’t need weapons, do they?

    • Army Wife

      @Ott Yep just like Satan, tell them what they want to hear to get them on YOUR side!

  • B Brown

    Don’t apologize. I think you really are that scatter-brained. You really think that for one second, that we really don’t suppor Israel or that we wouldn’t blow the hell out our own jets if they were to enter Israel’s airspace!?! Good god! You can’t be that blind! The Prez has done nothing but stand up for Israel and its people. What do you want!?! A war!?! Should the US go ahead and attack other countries just because they run off at the mouth!?! The problem with all these anti-American blogs(like this one), is that you uneducate and do nothing but sling Hate! You admitted yourself, that the deal was struck in 2010 under a different regime. Do you not think that the congress, who would have to sign off on this, would have done so if they thought of any possibility of Egypt attacking Israel!?! Man, you need to take off the blinders and look around and see that you are in the minority in this country in the way that you think. Do some hardcore research before you write an article that just incites the ones that you want reaffirm your speculation. Please be a more responsible Jounalist! If you actually are one?

    • bigdaano1

      @B Brown 
       
      You are purely daft to say the least.
      I swear, your thought process has been hijacked by a very dangerous sect of anti American despots.
      I don’t know what it would take for you to see the light and I don’t care.
      I do know however why I will never give up my firearms with simps like you running open loop in favor of the little Kenyan Hitler.

    • Sam Smart

      @B Brown Keep drinking the Obama-Aid.  You are so far off course dude.

    • viper41

      @B Brown Just now waking up from your twenty year sleep? The leader of the Muslim brotherhood, one Obama in conjunction with the rest of the democrats and some RINO’s are bent on destroying this country and doing one hell of a good job doing it.

      • ElizabethClark

        @viper41  @B Brown
         the democrats are a bunch of idiots and just want power over all of us, what is it you don’t see

    • DESERTHAWK

      What waste dump did you just crawl out of.  The most dangerous man in america is the Obamasiah.  If you want to ride on his coattails, then be prepared to meet your nemesis in hell.  Remember, being a stupid liberal is a mental condition.  Get some meds.  You need a lot of help.

    • ElizabethClark

      @B Brown
       you sir are nutz, he has done nothing to help Isreal, and he hates america it is you that is blind

    • Walt

      @B Brown
       There is something to be said for being in the sane minority.  Seems the brain-dead welfare recips, liberals, athiests, Gays and freeloading majority are totally nuts these days.

      • leesjokers

        @B Brown
         INCLUDING B BROWN PROBABLY A GOOD WELFARE RECIPIENT….hE DONT WANT TO LOSE hIS GRAVY TRAIN…..

    • BarbPatton

      @B Brown It is a sad and sorry day that a person with the last name of brown can actually talk such a lot of blithering trash.  It is obvious that you do not follow the news (NOT SHOWN ON TV) and that you really do not know what is going on.  furthermore on reading your rant I have come to the conclusion that you are stupid, vapid and a drone for the ayatollah barack and george soros.  You are politically uneducated and know nothing – correction absolutely nothing about american’s stance on Israel under the regime of obama…. Get a life idiot.

      • leesjokers

        @BarbPatton  @B Brown
         BRAVO !!!! TOUCHE’ BARB…YOU SAID A MOUTHFUL..I’M WONDERING IF UR RELATED TO THE GREAT GEORGE PATTON

    • Hawker 1

      @B BrownYou have got to be joking. If not you are one dumb sob.

    • Poor

      @B Brown Words, Words, Words, that is all Obama has done in support of Israel. Action – big fat ZERO. Supplying free Tanks and Fighter Planes to the declared enemy of Israel is not a friendly action.
       
      BB you are still in the minority. You have to wait till 2047 to come close to being a majority race. If you are in a hurry, you can move to Africa – where you belong.

    • downenray

      @B Brown What Obama says does not correlate well with what he does. He SAYS he’s a friend of Israel. He SAYS he’s a friend of us taxpayers. He charms lots of people with words they think he means even if they have to read INTO what he says what they want him to have said. This nation is in deadly peril with enemies entrenched in our national capital and throughout the nation wherever Obama loyalists can be found.

      • Army Wife

        @downenray  @B Brown Has that guy ever said one word of truth?? He lies all the time!

    • leesjokers

      @B Brown
       YOU’RE A F**KEN INSTIGATOR….

    • traitorhater1

      @B Brown
       Can you tell me how many times your king obama has been to Israel since in office?

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @B BrownFinally a liberal shows up. Where were you during the discussion  about liberal solutions this author requested? What specifically do you take issue with in this column? PLease elaborate.

  • kategray

    Since it seem impossible to get the Senate to proscute, it will take a Federal Judge to issue a warrent for being a TRAITOR  for aiding and abeting the enemy.

    • ElizabethClark

      @kategray
       this is treason, aiding and abetting the enemy, what is wrong with those in charge, a bunch of cowards

    • ff_emt

      @kategray  a federal judge who has some real cojones…

    • BarbPatton

      @kategray Where will we get one that has the cueballs to take on the task of getting rid of this thing in the white house

  • LaVerneVelasco

    Her name is, Ole TRACTOR JAW. Refferring to Michelle Osama Bin Laden. L. VELASCO

  • rchguns

    I’m reasonably sure that if you fit the bill you can buy your own AR or AK rifle but you need to meet certain standards. The first standard is that you need to be an upstanding citizen according to standard set by diaper head Obama. The standards are not so much what you need to be but what you cannot be. You cannot be a law-abiding American citizen, you cannot be a law-abiding Christian American, you certainly cannot be an American and Jewish descent, and most importantly you cannot be White.
     
    Gang-bangers, Black Panthers, radicalized Muslim, any kind of a convicted felon as long as you have the money, or anyone who receives a note from the Black Caucus you are entitled to your AR 15, AK-47, or any other military grade weapons.

  • Dodie1990

    No surprise here. Obama and the anti-gun crowd want to do away with all guns and the 2nd amendment. It is all about control absolute control. Unfortunately, no one will stand up for gun owners who are not well organized. Less than 5 milloin members in the NRA. Legal gun owners shame on you. When the gov’t bans your favorite weapon, don’t complain because you couldn’t join some advocacy group/

  • B Brown

    Anyone in the US can own an AR-15. They’re just high as hell right now. They can’t “take our guns away”. They’ll just try and do universal checks and limit clip size and that might not even happen! Same thing happened when he got elected. My buddy paid 1200 bucks for one the week he was put into office. After a year of gun dealers making more money than ever, more weapons sold and back ground checks than ever before, the price came down to 850. Hmmm… We jump and rush out to buy things because we think there won’t be anymore made! Twinkies, anyone!?! Gun restrictions are coming. I don’t like it! You don’t like it! But the people that live in cities have no clue. More security is the answer. Sucks. But that’ll curb mass killings more than anything. Lets voice our opinions, but do not act like a crazed lunatic when doing so(i.e. the guy screaming at the Englishman on CNN. Doesn’t look to good on us.

    • BarbPatton

      @B Brown I think his response was out of frustration that the English idiot has a right to spew all that trash and rubbish and we the people are not allowed to say anything and must suck up the way we are being treated??? Send that communist Englishman back home to Britian where he can live with his muslims there that have overrun that piddly little island.  It is a wonder they have not moved into the Palace with Queen Elizabeth they way they have moved into the white house with the ayatollah barack hussein obama.

    • Poor

      @B Brown Get back to your Ghetto home and smell whatever that you smell. You are just a pathetic and confused Ghetto dweller.

    • leesjokers

      @B Brown
       BLAH, BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP ASS WIPE

  • ff_emt

    barack HUSSEIN øvømit – Gun and ammunitions salesman of the decade – we salute you!  With a flung-in-your-face piece of crap.

  • KeithMcPhee

    It’s all part of obama’s & his muzzie brothers plan to destroy Isreal first & then the United States. obama’s a scum sucking maggot and he needs to be removed from our country.

    • BarbPatton

      @KeithMcPhee Who has the cue balls to do this???  Where will we find someone that will stop this conniving thief of destroying America??

      • Write On

        @BarbPatton  @KeithMcPhee
         Watch your words; you are being heard…..

  • BarbPatton

    How on God’s green earth can this man get away with the things he does in the name of his allah and muslim brotherhood buddies??? Where are the people (both Democrat and Republicans) that feel that this swine is overstepping the mark and being president has gone to his fuzzy head ?? why is the Senate and Congress not stopping this blatant plan of obama to equip the muslim brotherhood in Egypt with our weapons and planes to destroy Israel.  God where are you???????

    • downenray

      @BarbPatton The plan to send aid to Egypt was made while Mubarak was in charge. It should have been canceled when leadership changed from neutral to antagonistic to the dreams of this nation. Egypt has become an enemy of the U.S.A. and the free world. This “aid package” could have been stopped, and should have been and would have been if we had a President who loved liberty and the U.S.A.

      • Army Wife

        @downenray  @BarbPatton Dont hold your breath on the LOVE the USA.

    • leesjokers

      @BarbPatton
       PEOPLE HAVE FORESAKEN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST…….NOW ITS TIME TO PAY THE PIPER……

    • Evermyrtle

      @BarbPatton What is this about GOD? Do you think that HE is  not doing HIS duty? You know, believe it or not GOD has a plan, He will use this to bring it all to an end, to finish off HIS plan fo the world. HE is the Christians only chanceof survival. We must give HIM ceedit.

  • iam dtaunt

    ..wrote my congressman..told hin to get some balls..too late for him to get out .. but it ain’t too late for him to answer to America!!!

  • B Brown

    Blame Bushy! He’s the one that put the country into all this mess simply because he didn’t pay for the Iraqi war the way he said they would! We were going to run a pipeline thru India and into the Indian Ocean where we would either load the crude on tankers, which would have been a great idea, if the people of Iraq had welcomed us with flowers and kisses like Cheney said. Seems to me that removing Sadaam was a good idea but bad planning and it completely eliminated their military that would have done anything to keep Nuclear capabilities away from Iran. Sorta like the Iran-Contra dealings back in the ’80′s. Lets arm and train the leader of the resistance(Osama bin Landen) and have him come bite us in the ass when we turn our back on him and the people he was fighting for. You’d think we’d learn not to help rebels. Course I’m a Kentucky boy with a rebel yell but not for dealings like what our country has done over the past 6 decades!

    • Poor

      @B Brown I can just visualize that 50 years from now, Democrats will defend an issue with the cry – It is Bush’s fault. What were your senators doing when Bush declared war – they all voted YES. They all agreed to join the war. So don’t give me your pathetic mantra – It is Bush’s fault. You are just as guilty if there has to be indictments. You are just a pathetic debater.

    • traitorhater1

      @B Brown
       Doggone that Bush for send all of those tanks and fighters to the muslims. When are you guys gonna get off the “blame Bush” syndrome? obama had did nothing wrong according to you people. It’s all Bush’s fault. The man has been out of office for 5 years now. How about blaming your fearless leader for a change for all of the hundreds of wrongs he has committed and try to be a full blooded American instead of a follower of a muslim.

      • Army Wife

        @traitorhater1  @B Brown At least BUSH had the BALLS to fight them for taking down the Twin Towers!!    This Jerk just lets them built a Friggin MOSK there.

        • buzz13

          @Army Wife  @traitorhater1  @B Brown
           Neither Iraq nor Afganistan  took down the twin towers. You haven’t been paying attention for the past 12 years.

  • http://yahoo.com/ JChristensen

    Not only is obummer trying to ban assault weapons but now the B#*+#** has given himself live time protection by the secret service. It’s do as I say not as I do.

    • leesjokers

      THATS BECAUSE THE F**KEN TRAITOR IS IN DEADLY FEAR FOR hIS LIFE….HAHAHAHAHAHA

    • Army Wife

      He must feel he needs it!  lol

  • 7papa7

    It is time to do what the good TX Governor and stop ALL monies to foreign countries that are NOT in agreement with us.  The Muslim brotherhood is absolutely NO friend of America therefore ALL money, weapons or anything else should be stopped immediately.  There should be a total evaluation of dollar sent overseas, and here in America.  We are broke and we can’t afford to support the world.  That is common sense that any 5 year old can understand, I guess that is why Obama doesn’t get it.  Why in God’s name would anyone with a positive IQ give money to a country that wants you defeated?  That’s our president, a real moron.  My only question to him is why does he America so much and wants it’s defeat???

    • leesjokers

      @7papa7
       BECAUSE hE WAS hIS HEATHEN FATHERS SPERM THAT SHOULD OF BEEN SHOT DOWN A SEWER PIPE…….

      • Army Wife

        @leesjokers  @7papa7 Did you see 2016, his own brother doesn’t like him.. BO never helps out his brother, he lives in Kenya where they grew up!

  • mcj5060

    I hope people are doing what they have to do to make sure they aren’t left vulnerable to what ever this man has planned for this nation.

    • Army Wife

      @mcj5060 Its scary that is for sure..

  • B Brown

    What I don’t get is that everyone hear thinks I’m a Liberal!?! Why? I’m a registered NRA member, shoot in IDPA sanctioned events, own semi-automatic rifles, but I vote for who I think will do the best job. And Romney didn’t cut it in my book. And the RNC really disappointed me. That was the poorest representation of America I’ve ever seen! It was all white! I saw two black people and some other race and that was it! Look at the DNC and it truly represented how diverse America truly is! I’ll bet there’s not a single minority commenting on this blog!

    • dover

      @B Brown
       I call B/S on you – I don’t care what you’re a “member of” but, from blame Bush to all white GOP is crappola. Martinez, Rice, West, Haley, Love et al, or did you “forget”?

      • B Brown

        @dover no bs here, son. I’m a 3rd generation NRA member, own 5 pistols and 3 rifles, which is below the Kentucky average of 10.1 person, but I’ll be adding one more in 12 weeks. So you can’t believe a country boy who’s the only male member of his family that was lucky enough not to have fought in a war. And you mentioned 4-5 names!?! Ok I’ll give you the ones that were brought in to TRY and show that there is diversity in the Republican Party. But compared to what the DNC showed, it was not a very good showing for minorities. I’m not questioning the patriotism of anyone in this room, just commented on a poorly written article!

        • autonomous 1

          @B Brown  @dover So, you think that someone who has absolutely no qualifications, commits felonies with falsified documents, and won’t even legally prove that he is an American is someone who is “best qualified for the job”?  What kind of bulls##t are you trying to shovel, Mr. B. Brown?

        • downenray

          @B Brown  That there is diversity in the Republican Party was clearly shown in the convention. Blogs are a different matter. We have no way of knowing the race of any blogger and have no business judging them anyway. But the Republican Party is strongly patriotic. Our goal is to be “colorblind” as far as members and participants. We’re not trying to put on a show. Our goal is to do the best for the nation. And just now it’s beginning to look as if the best thing to do for the U.S.A. is to leave it. Obama is entrenched. He owns the Democrat Party. He is an enemy of the U.S.A.

        • JohnMaguire

          @B Brown  @dover And I suppose you thought that Sandra Fluck and Nancy Pelosi had good ideas too? As far as I was concerned, Romney is a successful businessman who is a REAL American and understood what was going on in our economy. To tell the truth, I would rather have voted for a Border Collie before I would ever throw away a vote AGAINST that A/H Obama…America is going to pay dearly for getting him reelected

    • downenray

      @B Brown Those who chose to not vote for Romney are to blame for the mess the nation faces as Obama is returned to office for another four years. And here’s one who doesn’t think straight enough to realize he’s part of the fault.

      • Evermyrtle

        @downenray  @B Brown
         What about the polls where there were more wotes that registered voter and notone vote
         for Romney? You don’t question such incidences as that?

        • Army Wife

          @Evermyrtle  @downenray  @B Brown Ohio said they only got the option of OBAMMMMMMAAA

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle  It’s agreed that Obama’s helpers manufactured votes in large numbers from thin air. But the total count of votes cast proved that if as many had voted in 2012 as voted in 2008 (assuming that those who didn’t vote should have voted for Romney) the count would have been enough to win despite the obvious vote-rigging by Obama.

    • Poor

      @B Brown  You are just  a Liberal supporting Democrats and Obama. And you think you can fool people by declaring that you are a NRA Member. Get off your fantasy land and stop trying to mislead people – they are a lot wiser that you are. And Obama can not do the job – yes he can get the support of the Welfare recipients and free Obama phone owners but he has no idea no idea about the Economics nor does he have leadership qualities.

    • leesjokers

      @B Brown
       B BROWN  THIS IS WHY THIS COUNTRY IS IN THE SHAPE ITS IN….PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT VOTED THIS PLAGUE INTO OFFICE..OH  BY THE WAY  IS THE DEMO SCHUCKS THAT WERE RACISTS…..BROWN GO BACK & PUT UR HEAD BACK IN A WHOLE…THE WORLDS PASSING U BY………

    • Hawker 1

      @B BrownOh, you think you are so clever. Got news for you your not. Now go back to the huffpost .

    • KeithMcPhee

      @B Brown
       The democrats are socialists. B Brown you mush be a obama worshiper.

    • T Granger

      @B Brown Just another example that black people are the most racist of any race. As long as the people believed the way I do I would vote for them even if they were all black. You obviously don’t have Christian beliefs since you backed Obama. He lies when the truth would fit him better. Fifty seven percent of white people voted for Romney but Ninety Six percent of blacks voted for Obama. Says a lot right there.

    • Army Wife

      @B Brown Well you helped sell us out!!  The Democrats (in office) are the ones that DON’T like or help the Black people! At least Romney would have stood up for the USA flag. This buzzard doesn’t ever like the USA!

    • kid721952

      @B Brown
       well brown,look what you got with your vote,is this still all about blacks and whites and not just Americans as a whole,my father brought me up to recognize “NO COLOR” just Americans,if we had looked into his past before the election maybe this would not be happening BUT IT IS IT IS A REALITY and obama is going to destroy America as we grew up in,you and I are minoritys now the next president,if there is another election,will be hispanic because of the growing population of “ILLEGALS”.If we don’t stop obamas plan,you and I will be answering to musliums

  • Still proud

    My sentiments too BarbPatton. We are going to have to elect women from now on who do have the testicles to stand up to Obama. We don’t seem to have the majority of men(both parties) who even know what’s at stake. How about ex military? No. That didn’t happen. Could it be that Obama has threatened so that Congress is afraid to stop him? Any heros left? By the way “Kentucky boy” do you really think Obama’s actions are President Bush’s fault. Talk about having a grip on reality.

  • What ever

    That person that is the president of the U.S.For him to do what he is doing don’t you call that a good muslin of the brotherhood.You tell me what you call it.God Bless The America that are left in this U.S.

    • Army Wife

      @What ever Remember he is NOT the President, he is not legal!!

      • gwen england

        so very true

  • B Brown

    Hell, I just bought a Glock 30 online today! Ordered it from Ga. It’ll be here in 12 weeks! Trust me, I’m checking out the nation not just the Republican side of things. If Romney wasn’t straight out of the 50′s and his views too, I would have voted for him, but sadly he’s one that thinks wifey should stay at home and have 20 kids. And his “church” didn’t recognize black people as “human beings” until 1978!!! Wow!! That and “magic underwear” done it for me!

    • Evermyrtle

      @B Brown
       Don’t recognize my JESUS either, His Jesus was a son of a god and his goddess wife. I am not guessing or talking after anybody else, I read it in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.

    • downenray

      @B Brown You are surely proud that you helped re-elect Obama. He’s obviously much better than you say you think Mitt Romney is.

    • Army Wife

      @B Brown Well Mississippi STILL  don’t like black people.. they take Weds off  at noon to go “Hunting”. I almost fainted when I found that out!!

    • kid721952

      @B Brown
       I would have voted for Jerry Lewis to be president before I would have voted for obama,if romney could have gotten obama out of the white house he got my vote,the past is the past whatever the candidate did,forget about it its gone

  • Hawker 1

    Fata%% firstlady  will be running for pres. in 2016.

    • Army Wife

      @Hawker 1 I hope not she is more disliked than he is! So that is saying something

      • kid721952

        @Army Wife  @Hawker 1
         There will be NO ELECTION,obama has a bill to be passed that says:there will be NO TERM LIMITS on the presidency,in other words,A DICTATORSHIP,he wants to be president for LIFE

        • Evermyrtle

          @kid721952  @Army Wife  @Hawker 1 For once you are right. I do not believe we will ever have another election, for that it will take an act of GOD. We have strayed so far from HIM after HIS taking care and putting up with our rebelling against HIM for so many years I believe HE has taken HIS hand of protection away from us. I do believe that HE will protect HIS own children but we must remain true to HIM and have faith in HIM.
           
          I Cor. 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men , be strong.
           
          Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering (for He is faithful that promised)
           
          Psalm 89:26
          89. He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, My GOD, and the rock of my salvation
           
          Psalm 119″89-90
          89. Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
          90. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth
           
          Luke 17:6 And the LORD said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed,ye might say unto this sycamine tree, be thou plucked up gt the rood, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
           
          Luke 18:42 And JESUS said unto him, receive thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole

  • B Brown

    Is this the same Barb Patton that lives in Kentucky!?! Go Big Blue, if it is!!!

  • paynegil

    Obama knows exactly what he is doing. Arming a foe while trying to disarm the law abiding, gun owwning Americans.

    • downenray

      @paynegil That Obama is an enemy of the U.S.A. is obvious. Is there any possible cure now except secession?

      • Evermyrtle

        @downenray  @paynegil
         GOD is all tha I depend on. All other soruces are completely  hopless!!

        • kid721952

          @Evermyrtle  @downenray  @paynegil
           Don’t expect help if you don’t want to help yourself,GOD will be there but not to fight your battles for you,you have to stand on your own two feet and fight for what you believe in,FREEDOM OF LIFE AND RELIGION,FREEDOM FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN, “DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS” that is your ONLY protection against thieves,murderers,rapists,pedifiles,gangs,drug dealers,third world countries(UN troops) and since obama OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.STAND UP AND FIGHT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

        • Evermyrtle

          @kid721952  @downenray  @paynegil  Who do you think is in a better position to know where God is leading me, you or me? I have been listening to HIM for 70 years already but I do appreciate you caring.

  • Still proud

    Hawker 1 I hope & pray this is not true but you may be right. Somebody better make sure the voting booths are secure. We can’t afford for George Soros to provide the machines again.

  • TinMan 67

    LOL sounds perfect!

  • B Brown

    Slow your roll, son. Ain’t no ghettos around here! Just mountains and trees. Where you from? The city?

  • B Brown

    What you talking about, Willis? Lol!

  • Army Wife

    This guy must think we are really stupid.. how did we get stuck with him? Chicago not want him any more??

    • LARRY NIEMAN

      @Army Wife
      OBAMA, belongs to the CHICAGO mafai. and OBAMA is a MUSLIM, and a ATHEIST, OBAMA want’s to disarm us, and ARM the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,, but i truly beleive that the VERY people that are now PROTECTING him, are going to DISTROY him, thank GOD, LARRY NIEMAN

      • Army Wife

        @LARRY NIEMAN I know Larry, I was kinda making a joke. This guy upsets me so much, knowing my honey sits in Afghanistan, and he never visits, or likes, nor respects them, (not that they want a visit, believe me lol) but I don’t know how people don’t see what is going on.. Are they that stupid??  Or just don’t care about the USA?And all the people that gave there life for, or fought for this country ??

        • gwen england

          god i pray the soldiers over there and here are willing to stand up against him when the war breaks out. its gonna happen when he trys to take all our guns.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Army Wife  @LARRY NIEMAN  I am convinced that Obama has been programmed for many years to do what he is doing now,  bringing America to her knees but it won’t stop there, he will turn her into a complete Muslim, Islam, Communist nation, unless GOD interferes..
           
          We may wonder why ‘god has allowed this to happen to us. America has gone against GOD for so many years, and HE is allowing all of this disaster to fall upon us. Since we attained the Muslin as president we have allowed blasphemy after blasphemy to be legalized. What do we as America believe is going to happen to us, now. GOD will look out for HIS own, we have many devoted Christians and HE will bless each one. We need not be afraid, however dark it looks, He will look out for us, only have faith, do not let that fail. That is what HE asks of us now in these terrible days , keep your faith in HIM.

        • Bill

          @Army Wife  @LARRY NIEMAN this P.O.S. that calls himself President needs to be impeached NOW!!!! Everyone write your congressmen, email them call them!!!! Make sure they know they have your backing to impeach the traitor in the W.H.

  • kid721952

    obama can ONLY DELIVER what congress pays for,if congress denies him the money and stops the purchase it WILL NOT HAPPEN,if obama does go ahead with the jets and tanks delivered to the muslium brotherhood that is a clear count of TREASON against the United States and obama should be held accountable,The muslium brotherhood is clearly an ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES

    • downenray

      @kid721952 It can’t be denied that with the Muslim Brotherhood now in charge in Egypt this nation should not be sending them any money or arms. The agreement that we would do so was under a different government than is now there.

    • Army Wife

      @kid721952 He has a pretty big list on his “ACCOUNT” so far!!!

  • steveni

    How long before he brings them here along with Chinese troops to take control of the US?  We already had Chinese troops in Texas during the election. What was up with that?

  • Argus 4

    I hope that those who are thinking of buying one or more firearms can charge them and collect points on their credit cards. BTW, if you’ve never owned a firearm, do get training and practice at a firing range. Being over-confident with a firearm makes you almost as dangerous as someone who comes at you with a pistol or some other weapon. I know you know this, but never point a firearm at anyone unless you intend to kill them. Irresponsible use just gives the feds an excuse to restrict the possession or use of firearms.

    • B Brown

      @Argus 4 Hey!! What do you know!! Someone who gets it! Thank you Argus, for being rational! Yay!!

      • Benevolent Thinker

        @B Brown  What about an ideology? Should we prohibit the pointing of ideolgy at someone unless the aim is to kill them? Yay!!!

    • glonjojo

      @Argus 4 Please join us.  http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com
      copy and FW: to your add. book

  • J Joy

    All I can say is – what kind of guy did you ignorant, selfish Democrats elect??  And what is he going to do to our country and our world???  Some of this sounds treasonous but will anyone call him out on it??  Every day that Obama is in office, I get more and more afraid!!!

    • deanied

      @J JoyYou are not alone!  I’m affraid every day now & wonder when the news will announce something even more devistating!  The news I want is OBUMMER IS GONE…LONG LIVE THE USA!!

  • tomnchrist

    From a Biblical prespective, arming Egypt is a very bad thing for the US to do, especialy at this time.
    They plan to use the aircraft and tanks against Israel as soon as possible.  And the US will suffer judgments from the LORD for arming a primary enemy of Israel.
    Also if Congress could stop the deal, then Congress could be blessed by God. And we would benifit also.
    Really, Congress, sorry as it is, is the last line of defense against the Islamic attack being conducted through the Administration.

  • What ever

    Democrats don’t they see what every one is talking about..What do you think democrats are muslim brotherhood.That person that is president of the U.S.is he part of the brotherhood.We are in trouble.God Bless America and the hell with the brotherhood.

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    N’r muslim antichrist – in – chief

  • AppraisHer

    In 4 years, this muslim rat-eared wonder facilitated the “Arab Spring” to bring the Caliphate closer to reality, while bleeding us dry of our hard earned money to arm muslim extremists so they can destroy us.  Using our own money to destroy our once great Country and the electorate has given him 4 more unimpeded years to make sure this happens.  The titanic stupidity of American is breathtaking.

    • glonjojo

      @AppraisHer WND 9/10/10 Pakistani Plea: Make obama supreme islamic leader. A Pakistani news paper is quoting one of the countries ministers as stating he wants obama to offer muslim prayers at ground zero and become the calph or ruler of the islamic nation. 4/16/09 Georgetown Univ. hid religious symbols @ white house request. Chicago Sun Times interview: asked bo what do you believe? bo’s answer: i’m rooted in the Christian tradition, but there are many paths to the same place, heaven.  Question to bo: Who is Jesus to you? Ans: A historical figure a bridge between God and man, a wonderful teacher. Q.: Do you believe in heaven? A.: i don’t presume to have knowledge about what happens after i die. USA today: I can’t accept the idea of hell, i don’t respect the bigotry of the Apostle Paul in the book of Romans. Quote: leader of the nation of islam, louis farrakhan “our massah has come” wants o to make peace between Israel & pal. Spike Lee: “Now we can change the way we rate dates in history, from BC to AD to bo to ab” jessie jackson: “now that bo has come to power we will have to add another chapter to the bible” WND 1/7/09. Kissinger: bo primed to create NEW WORLD ORDER. Across the globe an international respect for bo have created the perfect setting for the establishment of of NWO.

  • LDommel

    OBAMA/DEMOCRATS Appeasement FOREIGN POLICY= Teamu up with America’s Enemies to DEFEAT America’s Allies (Arab Spring,to Jihad Fall, to Open Borders) People that don’t CONTRIBUTE to the Economy, don’t know how the economy works or know little about politics should not vote. Proof will be shown! God may have mercy BUT the taxpayer will not!

  • braveheart 1

    obama has done more harm to this country than all of our foreign enemies could ever do.He is an enormous threat to our countrys national security.And to think this IMPOSTER is about to be sworn in for the second time.My God, this man has got a free pass on both of his forged birth certificates, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, MASSIVE voter fraud,yet the main stream media supports this FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://lastresistance.com/ Bubblegum199

    Because Obama wants the Muslim Brotherhood to attack the US.

    • deanied

      @Bubblegum199NO…he is paying them off NOT to attack us…but attack ISRAEL!

      • Ilene Richman

        @deanied  @Bubblegum199
        Obama has surrouded Israel with all enemies; Egypt, Gaza, Lebanaon, Iran; he wants Isral attacked. That is his plan. He plays “nicety nice” with Israel but deep in his heart he wants Israel defeated and wiped out. Obama is in for a surprise. Anyone who toys with Israel gets it in the end.

        • deanied

          @Ilene Richman  @Bubblegum199
           I totally agree! Israel is not stupid & is prepared…it just turns my stomach that BO has turned his back on Israel & this country!  There HAS to be a solution and the only one I know of is get rid of BO & Soros! But HOW!

  • icetrout

    WWIII bring it on…

  • JohnMcBride1

    Enabling the government (extremist islamists) to have the weapons to keep the people in line ( who have no 2nd Amendment).  In the US, the government is kept at bay by the 2nd Amendment.  Now he wants to weaken the peoples ability to defend against the US militaries weapons.  Same strategy to ensure governments ability to subvert the people.  However, when Islamists want to overthrow a government, Obama backs the Islamists. Is it not obvious that he has a goal to support Al Quida everywhere, while paying lip service to the war on these terrorists. Obama  and his like are the greatest enemies of the American way and traditions in history.  The people must not be distracted by the political ranglings in DC and focus on the big picture. A weak America is Obama’s goal! A strong Muslim brotherhood is his goal.

    • glonjojo

      @JohnMcBride1 “Is it not obvious that he has a goal to support Al Quida everywhere”
      It should be obvious o piece of dung is one of them!
      Time to join us.  http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

  • Madman

    The American people are looking for a reason to impeach this turkey and they passed up a lot of
    chances this should be the last straw. I don’t know how his servants think about this slimey
    problem but I think it’s past time to act. What nobody’s got any balls?

    • gwen england

      ive said all along they have none. everybody is scared of him.

    • guest18

      @Madman – I’m not sure we can impeach someone who holds the office fraudulantly. We can, however, charge him with treason and numerous felonies and lock his butt up until a trial is held. Eric Holder needs to have the dame thing done to him at the same time to prevent him from pulling illegal strings. If they are both found guilty of treason, they should be punished accordingly. The punishment is execution by firing squad.

  • smogdew

    Why hasn’t this man been impeached?  The USA will be totally ‘cooked’ when the thousands of membrs of The Muslim Brotherhood (already in this country) unite with those in Egypt (who set up their present Islamic gov’t).  Of course thy will take out Israel first………..then you can watch their strategy (under Obama’s guiding eyes) in the US.

  • gcalhoun2014

    Impeach Obama, prosecute him, EXECUTE him!!!

    • edc

      @gcalhoun2014At the very least put “self destruct” hardware and software in vehicles so we have some control as to whom they are used against.

    • SteveAtkinson

      @gcalhoun2014
       all christians should pray daily for his NATURAL demise!

  • gwen england

    why can’t these americans see what he is trying to do to us

  • ChuckFulton

    THE REALITY IS: THE MUSLIMS THAT ARE IN POWER TODAY IN “DC”; WILL NOT REST UNTIL THEY CHANGE : “”””UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”””” to “””””UNITED STATES OF ISLAM””””.
    Thr only way to stop this madness is to remove this driving force. Legally; everything is in place to acomplish this action, we have no one in DC to force this action. What is our recourse?????

    • glonjojo

      @ChuckFulton time to join us.  http://www.secondamendmentwarrior.com

    • kid721952

      @ChuckFulton
       the will and beliefs of the American people to stand up and fight for their freedom,their rights,their families and their wealth,”DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS”,they are your protection against thieves,murderers,rapists,pedifiles,gangs,drug dealers,third world countries(UN troops) and since obama OUR OWN GOVERNMENT,”Stand up and fight America,we ARE the greatest country in the world”

  • LarryChambers

    The America that you once knew and loved, have been wounded for, who’s families have died for, the America you have cherished sorely weeps, for she knows her last days are near, she knows she will soon cease to exist. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” Hosea 4:6
     
    DEATH of A NATION
    By their hardness
    And
    Stubborness
    By
    Their lofty pride
    And arrogance
    Their lust and evil desires
    Upon their epitaph is written:
    They closed their
    Eyes
    They closed their
    Hearts
    They closed their
    Mouths
    They closed their
    Ears
    They closed their
    Minds
    To the knowledge of God
    Thus they sank into
    The deep
     
                    Larry Chambers 11/10/12

    • Evermyrtle

      @LarryChambers Excellent , Larry!!!

  • activist

    THIS IS ONE ARROGANT, NARCISSTIC, SELFISH MAN.  IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTION  IN ADDITION TO TALKING.  CALL THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS A.ND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.  THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.  THE WHITE HOUSE NUMBERS ARE-202-456-1111 OR 202-456-1414.  YOU CAN LEAVE A STRONG COMMENT OR TALK TO A VOLUNTEER WHO IS SUPPOSE TO  PASS COMMENTS ONTO OBAMA.  THE CAPITOL  PHONE NUMBER IS 202-225-3121  THE OPERATOR WILL GIVE YOU THE PHONE NUMBERS OF THE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN.  SPEAKER BOEHNER’S NUMBER IS 202-225-5836.  I AM FROM PA.  I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS PHONE TO ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS IN PA. AND FLORIDA SENATOR MARCO RUBIO AND LINDSLEY GRAHAM.  I CALLED SPEAKER BOEHNER NUMEROUS TIMES.   UNITED WE STAND-DIVIDED WE FALL!!!!

    • celi65

      @activist
       It is a good thing that most long distance phone plans are inexpensive these days because making phone calls to Washington D.C. to complain about President Obama is fruitless.

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @activist
         You are for once correct, we have an unresponsive government, so it is a waste of time to phone or email them.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Whackajig  @celi65  @activist YOU SAID IT!!!!

  • AlRoberts3

    What Obama says speaks so LOUD, I can’t hear the lies he is saying.

    • deanied

      @AlRoberts3
       WHAT a TRAITOR!  OUR tax dollars to arm terrorists that will attack Israel!!  This man is one of the for sure!  My God…how the hell do we hget this guy OUT of OFFICE!

      • celi65

        @deanied  @AlRoberts3
         Wait four more years and then you will get your wish.

        • Whackajig

          @celi65  @deanied  @AlRoberts3
           Many other methods are available to remove ovomit from office.  Last I heard, no dead people were allowed to serve.

  • activist

    WE HAVE ATTORNEYS FROM CALIF WHO WILL MEET WITH CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS SHORTLY( FORGOT THE DATE)  WITH EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA IS NOT A U.S. BORN CITIZEN AMONG OTHER  THINGS , LIKE FAKE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.     LOOK IT UP UNDER SNOPES.COM.  I KEEP PRAYING THE EVIDENCE SHOWS OBAMA TO BE A FRAUD.   AT LEAST IT GIVES ME  A RAY OF HOPE.  YOU DO NOT MEET WITH A MEMBER OF THE SUPREME COURT WITHOUT A STRONG CASE.

    • kid721952

      @activist
       california depends on obama to keep them alive,I doubt there will be any attorneys from cali standing up to obama

      • SteveAtkinson

        @kid721952  @activist
         you got that right!

    • oldtexasgal

      @activistHere is a link for your info: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/finally-a-supreme-court-birth-ruling-chief-justice-john-roberts-grants-taitz-a-supreme-court-conf/question-3448669/
      Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States John Roberts scheduled a case by attorney Orly Taitz dealing with Barack Hussein Obama’s use of forged IDs to be heard in conference before the full Supreme Court. The case titled Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Taitz v Bowen provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS. Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone. No. 12A606 Title: Edward Noonan, et al., Applicants v. Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State Docketed: December 13, 2012 Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California Case Nos.: (S207078)

      • Benevolent Thinker

        @activist
         And this information is available where?

      • ShawnNJ

        @activist
         About Time !!

      • celi65

        @activist
         Surely you know that Orly Taitz, the dentist and attorney, is a “birther” queen.  She is not taken seriously by anyone.  She is now saying Obama intentionally arranged the Sandy Hook murders to ban guns and seize more power.  Her petition has been scheduled for a routine Feb 15th Supreme Court conference in which she represents three minor presidential candidates (including one prison inmate).  This action is routine because the Supreme Court gets over 100,000 annually, of which 100 are randomly selected for oral arguments and decision.  This woman is a joke, and simply lucked up on having her silly petition noticed.  Read my reply to ‘activist’ concerning the Obama social security debacle.

    • Miss Ann Thrope

      @activist John Roberts!  Don’t make me laugh.  That gutless weasel probably was photographed with a dead hooker and blackmailed a la Petreus, and his whole family threatened with death unless he supported Obamacare.  Obama will be stacking the court with Marxists very soon.  We had all the evidence in the world against this criminal to win by a landslide, but the RNC gave us a meek, terminally polite coward.  Only Libertarians now have any hope to save America.

    • celi65

      @activist
       Stop hoping.  Obama’s social security number was a mix-up within the social security administration when he applied for a job as a teenager in Hawaii.  The pre-fix number of his given social security number was (1) number off the proper sequence; giving him a Connecticut pre-fix instead of a Hawaiian pre-fix.  The Social Security office has already admitted to their mistake long ago.  Just relax and accept the fact that Obama is our legally elected President.

    • Whackajig

      @activist
       Would that be the same John Roberts which ovomit bought off on the ovomitcare case?

  • kamaut longbabilon

    RE: “both of these men think similarly and share common philosophies.” – I don’t think this is mere philosophy, but a definite PLAN to overthrow most countries and institute Shariah Law. Add to that the planning to extinguish Israel and all Jews. WHY do they want Jews out of the way? – Well the answer lies in the promises God gave Israel, because only the Hebrews and Jews KEPT holy God’s Commandments as Jesus repeated, and supported as in (Matthew 5 – Verses 17 on – in the Beatitudes)… Christians currently have been unrepentant by disposing of the 4th Commandment, and instituting the 1st. day of the week in place of the required Law that God gave mankind to display respect, obedience, faith, and honour THE CREATOR. Admittedly, the change went unnoticed by many new “Christian” churches, of the edict of Constantine in 231AD, (As Prophesied) which allowed Sun-Worshippers into the church, and thus causing the total take-over by them gradually… to the point where another prophecy was marked, by a symbol adding up in Roman Numerals to 666… on a crown (now hidden from the public for obvious reasons) which was the TILE of a certain man, and THE Mark of the BEAST. Events after that time proved the design and prophecy was 100% correct, and which led to THE DARK AGES. This will be repeated again shortly – if most people do not change BACK to the Rules God Gave us. This is where Obama, Morsi, et al, come into play, to destroy ALL who get in their Satan-Possessed WAY! They will make themselves kings until they are removed totally and permanently. But combined Armies will attempt to enter Jerusalem this time to wipe out all the Jews, perhaps including USA forces, and God has promised all that those Armed Forces will be totally ANNIHILATED – and then He will bring down the new CITY of Jerusalem on Earth. – I have to admit that it could LOOK like an Alien Invasion, and no doubt resisted by anti-Christ Nations with all kinds of weapons including nuclear and neutronic. But they will fail miserably… and God will remove all such leaders of Nations, and place His OWN therein, who were gathered from amongst the followers who have been TRULY FAITHFUL in all His teachings, and have a good sense of fairness and judgement. SELAH!

    • celi65

      @kamaut longbabilon
       Your rambling contains about 1/4 amount of truth.  We are living in the end times just before the return of the savior Yeshua (Jesus).  Constantine who established the Roman Church was not a true believer in Christ and allowed paganism to seep into the Judeo-Christian form of worship.  Yes the Mark of The Beast (666) might be hidden somewhere in the horns of the Mitre crown that the pope wears.

  • activist

    UNFORTUNATELY, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO IMPEACH 0BAMA BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC SENATE.   THERE IS AN ANTI DEFICENCY ACT THAT COULD STOP HIM.  NEED TO RESEARCH THIS MORE.

    • Army Wife

      @activist Hurry and research it Activist!!  Please  :(

    • Whackajig

      @activist
       google the charge of “Inherent contempt of Congress” No senate needed.

    • Ilene Richman

      @activist
       Nixon was impeached by the Democrats and Republicans. Present all the evidence and Obama does not need to be impeached. He is an illegal president and should be thrown out on his butt from the White House. His father was not an American citizen and his mother was a Communist.  Contact the Republicans to have this man and his family thrown out on their a—s.

  • http://Aol.com/ Ed in Florida

    Just like an Egyptian magazine printed in a recent Egyptian magazine, “The Obama Administration has become the biggest suporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.”  Even the Egyptians’ admit it.  Obama is a Muslim Fundamentalist. Anyone who still thinks Obama is a Christian will never get it. God said that the time will come when people with eyes will not see and people with ears will not hear.”  Sounds like that time is here already and the majority are Democrats. I kow because I was a democrat for 35 years. Sorry to day.

    • celi65

      @Ed in Florida
       If you care to tell; exactly when and why did you give up a political party of which you belonged for so long?  I hope it wasn’t due to an African American being elected into the Presidential Office.

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @Ed in Florida
         ovomit is not an african American.  He is half white, nearly half arab and a small percentage african.  He is however a “N”

        • Evermyrtle

          @Whackajig  @celi65  @Ed in Florida I understand that he is 50% white, 12.5 % “N” and 37.5 % Arab. The Arab inheritance is overpowering  the  65.5 percentage

  • Ilene Richman

    Obama is a dictator and makes up his own rules eg; immigration, executive orders, giving arms to terrorist countries, funneling military equipment to Libya and Syria through Turkey without the knowledge of Congress:; this is why the Ambassador and the 3 other Americans were killed. They were killed by an off shoot of Al Qaeda who did not want the rebels in Syria to get military equipment. Obama is a die-hard Muslim and an Islamist-no matter what he says. He turned the Middle East into a burning cauldron by his Cairo speech in 2009 that helped overthrow our allied governments in Egypt. Libya and Tunisia. This brought the Al Qaeda to Africa and brought in the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood to who he is sending American airplanes. All should write to the White House and Congress to stop this shipment of military equipment to a terrorist government in Egypt run by Morsi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood. Get your pens ready to write petitions to stop smuggling weapons to terrorists by Obama, the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.

    • celi65

      @Ilene Richman
       I do not agree with much of your statement, however I will say that weapons should not be given to Morsi, or any other terrorist group.

  • usluv

    Why hasn’t he been impeached? I really need an answer.

    • Pebbles

      @usluv
       Even if the HOR were to impeach him, the senate would not.  Remember what happened with Clinton?  HOR impeached, senate didn’t, and so that liar stayed in the presidency.

      • Whackajig

        @Pebbles  @usluv
         Pebbles you are incorrect.  There is a legal method of impeachment and imprisonment which can be used by the House and does not involve the senate at all.  The process is rarely used and little known but does exist and is called “Impeachment for inherent contempt of congress”.  If ovomit were charged with Inherent Contempt of Congress, and found guilty by the House of Representatives alone, no senate, he could be jailed then and there by the sargent at arms.
         
        This will not happen for one reason only…………….. lack of balls.

    • celi65

      @usluv
       He has not been impeached because most of America want him in office.

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @usluv
         The parasites, the takers, the muslims, the baby killers, the union members, the clueless college kids, the mexicans, the black welfare rats, the jews, yes these swine do want him in office.  It is a shame that there are now more of you than there are “MAKERS”.

  • SteveAtkinson

    we have a pro muslim president, it’s that simple!

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    braveheart 1, YOU know who GEO. SOROS is, well, he is the PUPET MASTER, AND obama IS THE PUPET,  OBAMA  was put into office in 08- to BANKRUPT the UNITED STATES, and he did a very good job of that, and now that he got re-elected, he needs another 4 trillion $ to finish the job, I AM A TEA PARTY PATRIOT, AND A NAVY VET, and OBAMA is HITLER, thank you, LARRY NIEMAN

    • celi65

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       When Bush Jr. took over the presidential administration America had a monetary surplus.  Our economy failed after (2) unnecessary wars; which happened on Bush’s watch.  Did you call for his impeachment?  FYI: The Tea Party Republicans have David and Charles Koch as their monied svengali.  Haven’t heard much from them since Obama’s re-election.  I wonder why they are so quiet now?

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @LARRY NIEMAN
         They are quiet since they spend so much time weeping for the loss of the wonderful America we once knew.  No member of the Tea Party advocates the killing of millions of unborn babies like the liberwhiners do.

      • Evermyrtle

        @celi65  @LARRY NIEMAN Compare our debt now, with our debt when the O came into “POWER”. I have no idea that you are smart enough to do thatand that is not all he is raving right now about raising the Debt Limit!!

    • CarlStevenson

      @LARRY NIEMAN Obama’s patron George Soros was born a Jew. His parents gave him to a non-Jew to protect him from the Holocaust, just before they were hauled off to the camps.
      George was about 12 at the time, as I recall.
      George willingly went around showing the Nazis where the Jews lived so their property could be stolen and they could be shipped off to the camps.
      There are evil people of all heritages, ethnicities, and religions.
      There are plenty of Jews who oppose the Judenrats in congress and their colleagues in crime. See jpfo.org and, specifically http://jpfo.org/images02/handbillpoliticians-large.jpg to see for yourself how many Jews feel about Feinstein and the others who seek to disarm us so they can control us.

    • braveheart 1

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       I know all I need to know about the Socialist billionaire George Soros.By the way, I’m already a proud member of the New Tea Party Movement.We need millions more True Patriots to join us.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    CHUCK FULTON, PLEASE, JOIN US, THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, their is POWER IN NUMBERS, THE MORE MEMBERS WE HAVE , THE MORE POWER WE HAVE, we are about 41 million members now, but we need many more,  go on your computer and search for THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, and their you can join for free, WE DO THE WORK, OR YOU CAN HELP. GET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO JOIN ALSO, thank you, LARRY NIEMAN.   [email protected]

  • HowardPettyjohn

    Me thinks that aiding the enemy is impeachable.  If our House doesn’t jump on this I suggest they be impeached.
    NO, Ladies and Gentlemen, our president has gone too far and so has our secretary of state.
    I am writing my congressmen again and I hope the rest of you do.  This madness must stop.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    glonjojo. I want you to think back in the past few years, see the terrible things that are going on, TOURNATOS, FLOODING, AND HUGE FIRES, THIS IS GOD SHOWING MAN, THAT OBAMA BEING AN ATHEIST, IN OUR WHITE HOUSE ”WILL NOT WORK, look back at the DATES, you will see the evidense, thank you LARRY NIEMAN.

    • celi65

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       Katrina happened on President Bush’s watch.  Hurricane Andrew/The Perfect Storm happened on President Herbert Walker Bush’s administration.  How do you explain these date events, and many more? 
      FYI; The Perfect Storm happened when Bush Sr. was forcing Israel to give up her land for peace.  The storm directly hit his home in Kennebunkport Maine washing his furniture into the ocean; just like the forced evacuation of Israel’s Gaza strip on the Mediterranean Ocean.  You might want to re-think your statements.

      • Evermyrtle

        @celi65  @LARRY NIEMAN And I believe, if I am not mistaken the anti-American liberals, blamed Bush for inviting Katrina into America. Actually blamed him for the hurricane coming to America.

  • Jim

    I need a bigger gun now !

    • LDommel

      DRONES! There UN MAN is what Obama favors!

      • CarlStevenson

        @LDommel Time for a drone hunting season here in the US. Open each year from January 1 through December 31. No bag limit.

    • LDommel

      You CAN’T C THEM! You need 2 find LOCAL people that fly small planes & then I’m not sure if they can reach the height . EVERYONE should be research them that’s for sure!

  • WaltCraig

    When American military pesonnel are being killed by Obama’s Christmas present to his brethren Muslims…….the finger should be pointed at the arseholes that put this imposter in the White House. American blood will be on their hands!

    • celi65

      @WaltCraig
       President Bush had people killed in (2) unnecessary wars.  Does he have blood on his hands too?

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @WaltCraig
         George Bush did not kill people, he killed filthy muslims.

    • CarlStevenson

      @WaltCraig You mean like in Bengazi????

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    ARMY WIFE, NO, PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED, let me explain, a lot of people are BUISY, trying to make a living, and OBAMA knows that, OBAMA is a very inteligent person, and a very convincing speaker, and people listen to him, but they never question if he is telling the truth, they take him at his word, but, MUSLIM’S are taught from young men, to look you in the face and tell you what you want to hear, and then do the exact oposite, obama is a lyer, and has been ever since he took office, and LEGALLY, he does not qualify to be PRESIDENT, i am a TEA PARTY PATRIOT, AND A NAVY VET, thank you and GOD BLESS, LARRY NIEMAN

    • celi65

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       Your being a Tea Party Patriot explains your mind thought.

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @LARRY NIEMAN
         And you hating patriots whose only wish is for a better America, with smaller government, lower taxes, more personal freedoms etc. explains your lack of mind thought.

      • Evermyrtle

        @celi65  @LARRY NIEMAN  You are right about that, it shows that he is a true American, not the “enemy within!”

  • iam dtaunt

    gcalhoun .. Amen…jus’ finished mine .. hold it! hold it! .. got another one comin’……

  • maryatlanta

    Aiding the enemy.

  • lupine

    It’s taken him a while, but he is now revealing his hatred of Israel and Jews.

    • DelII

      @lupine He is also showing his hatred for America and Americans.

      • lupine

        @DelII Yup!

    • celi65

      @lupine
       How is Obama displaying hatred for Israel and Jewish people. 
      FYI: It is said that Obama’s family on his mother’s side is Jewish; not that it changes any mind thought IF this is indeed a fact.

      • lupine

        @celi65 If that is a fact, it’s surprising. I saw on TV once that while in Ireland he was celebrating his Irish heritage. But he has taken the Palestinian side by telling Israel that they must stop building in East Jerusalem. That had not been a Palestinian position, but they couldn’t allow Barack Obama to be more Palestinian than they were, so they adopted that stance and have used it as an excuse to abandon the negotiations. Obama also did his best to humiliate Bibi Netanyahu when he visited the White House. Because Bibi wouldn’t knuckle under and hand back all lands vital for Israel’s defense, he left him in the downstairs of the White House, turned his back on him, and told him he was going up to dinner. I doubt that he would have done that to Hugo Chavez.
         
        He is also supplying al Qaeda affiliated insurgents in Syria with very sophisticated antiaircraft weaponry. They have promised to turn that weaponry on Israel as soon as Assad is deposed. So it’s safe to say he is no friend to Israel.
         
        His choice of Hagel as secretary of defense leaves no doubt as to how he feels about Jewish Americans. Now some will argue that David Axelrod is Jewish and on Obama’s team. While that’s true, Axelrod’s devotion to Obama exceeds any devotion to anything else. He has actually uttered the falsehood that Israel is standing in the way of negotiations with the Palestinians.

        • WereAllScrewed

          @lupine  @celi65 The Majority of his Cabinet is Jewish and that is by design, he was installed as a Puppet by the JEWISH ZIONIST BANKSTERS and WALL STREETERS and so was his Cabinet.  The Cabinet is Actually Running the Country, and if he gets to far out of line “BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO HIM”  just Like JFK.  The Media never told you JFK turned on the BANKSTERS.  He was going to print NON-FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES.  U.S. Dollars backed by GOLD as a competing currency to the FED.  He issued an executive order to do so and was immediatly and permanently removed from office!  Google “JFK Executive Order 11110″.  LBJ quickly abandoned the idea!

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @lupine
         ovomit HATES his mother’s white side and has expressed thaqt in his books.

      • Evermyrtle

        @celi65  @lupine It would be so much easier to tell what he isn’t doing. He has given Israel”s enemies millions of dollars and that amount of money in arms for using against Israel. Oh yes, he did send Israel money, much less than to their enemies just to fool the world that he was assisting Israel.

  • douber1

    it is pretty bad when the prez has to signhis own order for lifetime protection
    some thing tells me he is a little worried

    • celi65

      @douber1
       All presidents past and future since 1907 has had continuous secret service protection in some form or another.   Since Robert Kennedy’s assassination, even the presidential candidates and nominees are given round the clock protection.  It was congress who decided to limit secret service protection for up to 10 years after leaving office for former presidents, first ladies, and their children, up to the age of 16.  This was done as a cost saving measure. The only thing President Obama has done is re-sign an already existing law for continued protection.  Of course if a prior president chooses to drop the protection, they are exempted.  He is not worried; just using common sense.

      • Whackajig

        @celi65  @douber1
         If ovomit knew what many of us were wishing, he’d be very, very worried.

  • CaptTurbo

    Quite a crock of smelly stuff. Don’t give your guns up to the usurper.

  • Mikey420
    • celi65

      @Mikey420
       If the “people” elected these politicians shouldn’t we blame/impeach them?  It is not the politician’s fault.  We have gone through our democratic elective process and the America people have spoken their choice.

      • WereAllScrewed

        @celi65  @Mikey420 The Election is all Smoke & Mirrors, Some one else higher up the food chain decides who the 2 candidates are going to be,  then the RNC & DNC put their stamp of approval on it, they throw in a couple of “Shills” to make the Primary look good, they already put more money behind the guy they hand picked to win, the Lamestream media and Advertising Dollars tell you how you should vote and then the Stupid American People go to their voting place and “Do as they were told to do”.

        • Evermyrtle

          @WereAllScrewed  @celi65  @Mikey420 You are certainly right about that. We are pigeons in a pen and Obama has the gun.

  • remartantiques

    When I google “cost Abrams Tank” I get hits for $4.3 to $6 million each.
     
    So Obama’s selling them to the Muslim Brotherhood for less than our own military pays for them?
     
    Allah Akbar, eh?

  • GFWSR

    I won’t say that obummer is a muslim, but he certainly is sympathetic and supportive of  the rabid seventh century throwbacks!

  • FrankWacaser

    How long, O Lord ! How long do we wait while this “president” demolishes what is left of a great and strong United States of America.  Is there not a single congressman or senator who can say, “We are going to impeach and fire this un American who is not even a citizen of this country?

    • MrLucky

      @FrankWacaser
       No you won’t!

      • LDommel

        @MrLucky  @FrankWacaser
         Do the citizens have a right (in Mr Lucky mind) to hold the Government Accountable?

    • LDommel

      @FrankWacaser
       I want SOMEONE to check if he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

      • LarryChambers

        @LDommel  @FrankWacaser Would not the  FBI, CIA, SS. Army Intel, Airforce Intel, Navy Intel and IRS know this? How in the world could anybody especially one man get by all of that Intel. Plus all the senate and congressional Intel. No way, no way. This was already planned. O talks good but that’s about it. Because where America is involved his mind goes straight out the window. There is no way he did this by himself, no way.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @LDommel  @FrankWacaser That is what is so scarey, if you do not have GOD in your life. HE is what makes the difference especially when so many people and organizations are backing this destruction.

    • celi65

      @FrankWacaser
       No;  Frank, no one will speak up because they know in their hearts that Obama is truly an American, and is constitutionally and duly elected.  Believe me, since Obama’s first inauguration the “fact checkers” have tried to obtain impeachment dirt, but to no avail.  Simply relax and enjoy the next four years.  It will be better than the Bush Administration who led us into (2) unnecessary wars costing many lives, and devastated our econmy.

      • WereAllScrewed

        @celi65  @FrankWacaser Sorry Celi but you aren’t seeing the forest for the tree’s, BHO increased the Deficit as much as Bush did in 8 yrs, but he’s better at it because he accomplished it in only 4 yrs.  So if you think the economy is going to improve your living in fantasy land.  Where are all the jobs going to come from?  Manufacturing has left the building and it ain’t coming back.  Remember when ROSS PEROT said about NAFTA, “that huge sucking sound you hear is our jobs going to Mexico”, well they did just stop their, now they are in China and all over the world.  If someone ever embargo’s us you won’t be able to find a pair of underwear to wear when yours wear out!  Our textile plants are all gone too.
         
        BHO is just a puppet, controlled by the Banksters and Wall Street, they tell him what to do, he hasn’t ended our Occupation of IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN, and has expanded our involvement in the middle east.
         
        General Wesly Clark stated that he was told 6 weeks after 911 we were going to invade 7 countries in 5 years. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somolia, Sudan & Iran.  911 was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION whose sole purpose was to get the American People behind the War Plan that was already prepared.
        watch Gen. Clark here … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjd3bGQjN9U

        • celi65

          @WereAllScrewed  @FrankWacaser
           I have always believed our intent was to get a foot in the door of the Middle East; by any means necessary.  Yes Obama has had to spend money in order to keep the country afloat from the Bush economic melt down, but it takes time to climb out of a hole/deficit.

        • Evermyrtle

          @celi65  @WereAllScrewed  @FrankWacaser Climb out of the hole???We are getting deep and deeper into the hole. Obama has already dug the hole deeper that he last 5 presidents put together and the reason for that he is pushing power that does not even belong to him or any other  outsider, because the well being of our country is the last thing on his mind.

    • Whackajig

      @FrankWacaser
       Frankie baby, one of the problems is we have a poplace which asks God for help, but refuses to help themselves.

  • America4Ever

    All I read here is a whole bunch of nonsense. I read similar junk
    when Bush was president. All the conspiracy theories about
    the Illuminati and Chinese soldiers and secret prisons for
    Americans. I get it. Part of me wouldn’t mind having a gun but don’t
    see the need for heavy artillery. This isn’t the Wild West. There are
    no movie heroes waiting to save us from a massacre, armed to the
    teeth. There’s got to be a limit on how much leeway we give gun
    owners. But enough of that. All these negative comments have a
    racist tone to them. People talk about protecting Israel, which I
    support, but don’t really care as long as they get their own guns.
    This might as well be written by the KKK and the reactions by its
    members. Both sides are always going to say the other side is
    Un-American. But I can’t change minds until hearts change.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      Is it your assertion that the author of this article is a racist? If so, would you care to elaborate?

    • celi65

      Amen!  My sentiments exactly.

    • jimmylu

      You prove this. Liberals yell racist when they are proved wrong. LBJ’s Affirmative action was intended to hold the blacks and other minorities down by claiming they were inferior so they needed lower scores.They were made to believe they did not have to put forth effort they’d get the job just being a minority.  Those that did not get a job could always count on welfare. There by increasing the number of democrap voters. 
           You got a Affirmative action president with NO experience other than a community  organizer. 
       
       You also prove this. How do you want to upset and or confuse a liberal? Just use facts, logic, reason, and or the TRUTH. They can’t process either, they either go off and sulk, put their head back in the sand OR that other place liberals keep their head that the sun does not shine. OR the Babble Loud incoherent Gibberish.
           Bush had 53 straight months of job growth till Jan 2007. What happened then? The dumocraps took over both houses of congress, In less than 2 years the democraps were losing 700,000 to 1 million jobs a month. Thank James Earl Carter for the “fair housing act” that started the financial demise of fanny and Freddie Mac. Slick Willie on CNN 9/24/99 told banks if they did not give these fair housing loans , Janet Reno would investigate them.  Per Congressional record Bush tried 17 times in 2008 alone the reform Fanny & Freddie, Thank Harry read for blocking that. In 96 Susan Rice convinced Clinton to NOT pull the trigger on Ben Lauden on 3 different  occasions. when he was in the cross hairs of Seals.  Think she hide under his desk?
       
      Note Merchants here in Kauai, HI. refer to BHO as the SOB that claims he was born here. And only the dead beats like him.

      • celi65

        @jimmylu
         Jimmylu;  LBJ’s Affirmative Action did not conclude that People of Color were too inferior to compete in the job markets.  The fact was that all through American history minority groups had not been given proper access to education, decent/adequate living conditions/areas, fair job hiring, and the general pursuit of living the “American” dream.  I remember when African Americans could not go into certain stores/buildings, public bathrooms, ect… in some geographic areas.  Two hundred years of playing catch-up is daunting.  I hope this information helps you to get the history straight.

    • WereAllScrewed

      You might want to “Bone up” on your history.  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-journalism/2013/01/01/Disarmed-Russian-Columnist-Warns-Ameiricans-Never-Give-Up-your-Guns
      Stanislav Mishin is a Russian Journalist who knows how the Russian People were ROBBED of their Freedom once they were disarmed by Lennin.

    • Whackajig

      You think there is a racial tone to the posts?  Why?  Just because we despise the black welfare rats?  Because we hate the thieving nasty filthy mexicans?

    • CarlStevenson

      @America4Ever AR-15s are NOT “heavy artillery”. Far from it.
      SCOTUS
      In District of Columbia vs. Heller, the issue was whether banning handguns in Washington D.C. was a violation of the Second Amendment. In that case, the Court ruled that it was a violation. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the majority opinion:
      “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.”
      In the opinion, Scalia also referenced the 1939 Supreme Court case United States vs. Miller, which said that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.” Given that millions of gun owners own AR-15s, which the Left erroneously, dishonestly, and deceptively refers to as “assault weapons,” and that they are even sold at your local Wal-Mart hardly makes the AR-15 and its ammunition and magazines unusual. The are, in fact the most popular rifle in America, and 30 round magazines are the standard.
      Ergo, according to the Supreme Court’s ruling, banning them would be unconstitutional.

    • Truth goes 100 mph

      Why is an AR considered heavy “artillery?”  We faced off with the Brits on a near level footing.   Muskets against muskets.  Do you really think the government will give us M-60′s, fighter jets, rockets, RPG’s, and the list goes on?  Any American who thinks the AR-15 is overkill has never been in battle.  Please do not associate the folks on this site with the KKK.  If you really looked hard, you will see we love our Country and don’t want to see this imposter change it into HIS image of America.  By the way, I supported Civil Rights, not civil wrongs.

  • Halo9x

    Obama is a clear and present danger to the welfare of all that is good and right! He is by far the worst mistake ever made by the American people, not once but twice!

    • Whackajig

      @Halo9x
       The parasites who elected ovomit, did not vote to get a leader, they voted for more food stamps.

  • JARNKM

    It comes so easy to believe that everything one hears is a mere “Conspiracy Theory” if it doesn’t align with what flows from the “Throne Room” in Washington. “Indefinite Detention” for an American for no apparent reason seems impossible. How could they? After all, there is no place to put that many people? Or is there?? Well, some decades ago, “Roswell” and all related instances were considered “Conspiracy Theories”, etc. But today, what is seen on TV about such incidents? Anything is possible. Remember the old saying: “History repeats itself”? Well, that does not always mean that it happens in the same place. One might reference this to 20th Century Germany and Russia happening in 21st Century America. Now, does the “Detention Law” and the ‘possible’ “FEMA Detention Camps” seem to have more of a correlation than before? A few decades ago, Washington promised “We the People” that we had no reason to fear Communism/Socialism in America, yet today, it is almost in total existence(research: The 1963 Communist Goals for America  …  and see what goals remain to be installed!).

    • WereAllScrewed

      @JARNKM Your not talking about the 10 planks of the  Communist Manifesto as followed in america are you?  http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manefesto-Planks
      1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
      2. A Heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
      3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
      4Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
      5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
      6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
      7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan
      8. Equal liability of all to labor.  Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
      9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
      10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

  • MrLucky

    I really can’t blame Obama and the rest of the world for hating this country and its people! The American public is a bunch of cowardly selfish bunch of gutless wonders! They are toooo stupid to look after their own interest!

    • WereAllScrewed

      @MrLucky Untrue, we are too stupid to look at our own corrupt government and then “DO SOMETHING about it.”  The RNC & DNC (2 heads of the same snake) along with the Main Street Media lead us around by the nose and tells us how we are supposed to think and then we do their bidding!

    • IamnotMIA

      @MrLucky If you don’t like it here, then GET OUT! Move to a communist country where it sounds like you’d rather be anyway. Or maybe Egypt. The people there tried to look after there own intrests with Pres. Morsi, & look where it got them. Nowhere. 60% of the votes were against him, but he’s still there & he’s not giving it up for anyone or anything. All I can say is JUST GET OUT if you hate America that much!!

  • dlee

    Sounds like old Morsi and the fraud in our white house are cut out of the same muslim crap!  Both trying to be dictators with no leadership skills except illegal acts and brute force foisted on the people….

  • Greg137

    Obama is  traitor!  We Want awnsers about Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!! Obama should be impeached and convicted… I heard there are people trying to sue the Obama Administration for abuse of power, and they include several  conservative congressman..

    • Greg137

      I do hope that they are successful at it….

    • Evermyrtle

      Ant then deported, to be an American outcast forever after.

    • Ilene Richman

      Contact Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Aylotte to interrogate this imposter under subpeona. He has not disclosed his college records, his passport, his affiliation with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakan. And now he has nominated the most Anti-Semitic cabinet with Chuck Hagel, Brennan (who speaks Arabic fluently) who traveled to Indonesia when he was younger, Kerry who is a traitor and turned in our Vietnam war veterans by stating their horrible actions in Vietname (a lie).  What a group of Benedict Arnolds! None should be nominated and Obama should be thrown out of the White House. He is illegal as his father was not an American citizen and his mother was a communist.

  • Joel

    He’s just arming his brothers (muslim brotherhood) and disarming his enemies (American citizens)

  • http://www.numbersusa.com/ nax777

    Not to worry, Pub voters have put in Pub leaders that will do nothing about it.
    http://www.numbersusa.com / http://www.goooh.com

  • AZUSPatriot

    Let me guess this equipment is U.S. tax payer funded. Egypt will never spend one dime for it. Well we know now what was in the fiscal cliff deal not one senator or representative read, not even Obozo read it.

  • CatInATuxedo

    Once a muslim always an Obama!

  • CatInATuxedo

    All the more reason for American Citizens to arm themselves as this
    present crew in D.C. is aligned with those who want to destroy us and Israel.

  • jimmylu

    He has not been impeached cause he is not a Republican. If he was, the Dumocraps would have impeached him 2 years ago.Remember  only liberals have free speach.

  • WereAllScrewed

    You have probably Heard of “Operation Paper Clip”,  “Operation Garden Plot”, “REX84″,  Operation Northwoods, etc, etc.
     
    Its just going to be another one of those “Harmless CIA OPERATIONS” they do in our name that we never hear about like “Operation 40″ (look it up on Wikipedia) and see who the PLAYAS were!
     
    It’s Just a “Set-UP” by the CIA.  We give them arms, they use them on Israel, then we go in and  start another war in Egypt “to defend Israel” and we take over their Oil Fields for EXXON and MOBIL OIL.

    • danimal02816

      We had 100% of Iraq’s oil fields in our posession as spoils of war.  We gave it all back to them.  So tell us again how the US goes to war to take over their oil fields.  Wikipedia.  Yeah, that proves it.

  • fair and balanced

    When will people see the forest for the trees. He’s dangerous because he’s Muslim and all Muslims hate Christians an Americans and believe they should all be dead. I hear all these truths about the up evils over and over again but that is only stating the problem. When are people going to state the answer and get it done. Talk is cheap and the America is going broke because of Socialism in the White House.
    With the right leader we could be self sufficient in a few years and tell the rest of the countries to go to hell.

  • buzz13

    After reading the majority of the comments on this page, I have come to the conclution that over 98% of the commenters are illiterate, racist, morons. nuf said!

    • WereAllScrewed

      @buzz13 OK literary genius, show me in the dictionary where the word nuf is please.  LOL  “Stupid is as stupid does” you could learn from Forest Gumpf

      • buzz13

        @WereAllScrewed
         I was trying to keep it simple so you wouldn’t get confused. I guess it wasn’t simple enough, sorry.

        • Whackajig

          @buzz13  @WereAllScrewed
           Oh, you are plenty simple.

      • gsxrsaretimeless

        @WereAllScrewed  @buzz13 Heck, I’m still trying to figure out what a “conclution” is!
         
        Buzz13 – takes a long time to get back to reality after you smoke 13 of them…

    • http://wowway.com/ Randy Gaiser

      @buzz13 And your point is?

  • fair and balanced

    wake up son before you go to the concentration camps that he is now building. oh! by the way spelling is probably to problem with the other 2%          conclution conclusion

    • Am I in the right place

      @fair and balanced Lets agree that anyone who is too stupid to have spell check is a moron OK? Its a good thing you have replaced space aliens with concentration camps as your big fear. Now maybe you can take off that tinfoil hat you wear to stop the government from reading your thoughts.

      • WereAllScrewed

        @Am I in the right place  @fair and balanced AM I …Shows how stupid you are, “the government doesn’t want you to have any original thoughts” so they don’t need to read them.  Now be a good boy and put your public education to good use and go watch Dancing with the Stars and The Bachelor so you don’t hurt your teenieweenie brain by reading on this blog!

  • fair and balanced

    I’ve been in three I believe I know one when I see one son. It’s happening here just like it happened in Nam and know one believed it would happen there either.

  • fair and balanced

    sorry no one

  • WereAllScrewed

    Final thought for all of you to Ponder!
     
    Julius Caesar coined the phrase “DIVIDE and CONQUER”
     
    All of you “SHEEPLE” out there who have fallen into the BLAME GAME TRAP of the 2 party system “ARE the Problem”  and until you stop watching Dancing with the Stars, Wheel of Fortune and all the other crap that is put out their (to occupy your time) nothing will change.  All you sports fans who know every baseball stat their ever was, spend the same amount of time watching your government and your elected officials, until that day happens you will continue to get the GOVERNMENT YOU DESERVE your freedoms will continue to be USURPED until you wake up in Bondage one day!

    • popham

      Thank you. Perfectly expressed.

    • Arizonasicandtired

      @WereAllScrewed
       This has already happened…Be prepared for the fight of your lives…it is coming sooner than most think.

  • celi65

    Lupine; I agree with you that Obama’s stance on Israeli matters is less than desirable.  We need to back that nation state 100%.  Not only because they are our true allies in that region, but because God Almighty gave the Jewish people that piece of real estate for eternity.  FYI; as you may know, Jewish people are from all countries around the globe, including Ireland.  This is due to the separation of the Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and Northern Jewish tribes( the ten other tribes) after King Solomon died due to their disobedience to God.  The Northern tribes were captured in 720 BC by the Assyrians and they assimilated with other people groups throughout the globe.  That is how we have Asian, African, and European Jews.  The last two Southern tribes were also later captured by the Babylonians in 586 BC,but they later were released and returned to Israel.  In 70 AD the Southern tribes were captured by the Romans and they too were dispersed throughout the globe til 1948 when their nation-state was reborn in one day.  So Obama, and anyone else, can be a mixture of bloodlines and still be of Hebrew blood, but not necessarily in practice or knowledge.

  • IamnotMIA

    I THOUGHT we had a congress to oppose foreign aid because A) No money B) The Muslum Brotherhood is an enemy of Isreal. C) The MB hates anything to do with America! Are they SO scared of Obama that they have just given up fighting for “We The People?” Whats worse is we have no say in what Obama does. Yes, there is a petition RE: 20 F-16′s & 200 tanks to Egypt. It’s at ACLJ.org Sign it. (no cost) Maybe just maybe that’ll help.
    I will say 1 thing about Obama. I think he wants his legacy to be that he’s TOTALLY changed America from being the MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, to leaving us weak & vulnerable, (yep, sequestration) so that we could be invaded by any other country in the world because we no longer had the means to fight something that big.
    That way he would fulfill his FATHER’S WISHES & DREAMS & THAT what would make Obama true-ly happy.

  • celi65

    Whackajig;
    To respond to your statement; last I heard, anyone threatening the president was cooling their heels in a dark tight Federal Prison cell.

    • Whackajig

      @celi65
       You are an idiot.  I never make a threat that I will do bodily harm to the jig in office.  what I freely do is to hope and dream that he will suffer a painful slow death.  Come to Naples Florida on the Gulf and see if I am living the good life, or on my way to prison.

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @Whackajig  @celi65 You’re a perfect example of why the Conservative movement is dissintegrating.

  • celi65

    In response to your statement whackajig;  if all of these people groups want Obama to be in office, then who is left to dissent?

  • popham

    Very good good piece, Mr. Demayo.
    Indeed, someone needs to explain to the American people why we give billions of military aid to Israel,
    yet at the same time provide its sworn enemy, Egypt (Morsi), tanks and fighter planes.
    Morsi hates America and Israel, but we give him powerful weaponry to potentially use against our ally.
    This is total insanity, not to mention a waste of American taxpayer dollars.
    We need a new president of the United States………………soon.

    • LarryChambers

      @popham We have no way of knowing if we give Israel anything the way this administration lies. We need to hear that from Israel. A new president probably would make some difference. But what America truly needs is a man  who fears God.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @popham  You are right, but we do know that we are supporting Israel’s enemies, big time, with money and equipment suitable to wipe them out if possible.!!

        • braveheart 1

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @popham
           You’re right Larry, just before the election when Mitt Romney made a trip to Israel, shortly thereafter obama announced he was sending Israel #70 million in military aid. What he failed to mention was he already approved approx. $900 million to the Palestinian Authority, better known as Hamas.

        • LarryChambers

          @braveheart 1  @Evermyrtle  @popham Comparing the size of these gifts it’s not hard to see who his true love is. I heard P.M. Natanyahu say that he really does not trust Obama. I wish I could have told him that he’s not alone. I don’t see America having anyone as an ally after that incident in Benghazi. Who would trust a country that won’t defend it’s own people, which gives us the task of some serious consideration of all our politicians since they seem to have swept this under the rug. I can’t believe there was no retaliation behind this. Nothing but soft talk. I’ll never get over that.

        • braveheart 1

          @LarryChambers @Evermyrtle @popham The day after 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi,obama was off campaigning in Las vegas.Now for his Muslim brother who killed 13 servicemembers at Fort Hood, well he has’nt even went to trial yet and that’s been 3 years now. You know the Islamic Radical who yelled Allah Akbar while he was shooting and the incident obama and holder called “workplace violence”.

    • BCJ

      @popham
      It’s a way to create more US Debt. The more debt the more interest the US people pay in taxes to repay the interest to the FED which is owned by Rothschild and a few others

  • celi65

    Larry Nieman; you are right.  The Tea Party does not advocate abortions.  They simply wait until a baby is born and out of the womb then they kill them with the lack of food, medicine, education, housing, clothing, and concern.  The very same unborn children that conservative people say they want to protect cannot get a second look if they need something when out of the womb.  I wish these people would adopt some of these children and/or set up college funds for them.  Put your money where your abortion picket signs are.  FYI:  I am not an abortion enthusiast.

    • LarryChambers

      @celi65 I think for you to be fair about this that you yourself could adopt some of these children, don’t you think? The thinking is not that they don’t care, but, why sould someone else be put to the test to take care of someone elses children who could very well not given birth in tp them in the first place. Why bring children into the world and not be able to provide for them. That itself is an attitude of irresponsibility that shuold not be placed on the shoulders of hard working tax payers who have their own world of troubles. It is simply unfair. It is the fathers and mothers job to take care of their own. Sometimes life gets unbalanced and people cannot help themselves, so, they need help and others don’t mind cipping in. But  when you  have babies making babies and women having babies just because they want to have sex people are no more than right to take a dim view of that. How long are they suppose to provide food, medicine, education, housing, cloting and concern? The norm is 18 years each. And for how many? Millions of babies cost how much with no end in sight nor do they even care. These young girls/women are selctive as to who the father will be and they do not care about who pays taxes as long as they get what they want, like all these freebies you mentioned. The burden has already taken it’s toll on our economy and what needs to advocated is abstinence. Lets try to stop these kids from coming here in the first place. Then the rate of abortion can be greatly diminished or done away with entirely. It’s no fun for a man who can bately feed his family to go to the grocery and all he can buy is half a basket of food. But he sees EBT card users with two baskets in line laughing.it all up.

      • celi65

        @LarryChambers  @celi65
         Larry Chambers;  you are missing my point.  My particular reply was to an individual concerning the topic of abortion, not abstinence, of which I totally agree with, even for single adults.  In addition, what makes you think that I have not adopted or supported unwanted children?   
        I am a ‘baby boomer’ and being a Born Again Christian, I remember the entire uproar concerning “the pill” and the legality of abortion.  To this day, we do not offer enough options for our society to make informed life decisions.  We march, picket, burn down abortion clinics, even kill abortion doctors, but none of these are effective in stopping or minimizing the practice of abortion.  We try to shame the women who are forced to decide if they will bring a child into this world that they may not want or can ill afford.  Their decision is already difficult and heart wrenching at best, and we do not exert enough time and energy ensuring the “impregnators” are held just as responsible as the female.  Our society dismisses the father’s responsibility and he goes on to “deflower” other victims.  A portion of womankind’s punishment since the Garden of Eden has been to desire her husband (or a man in general) but the relationship will be submissive and contentious (Gen 3:16).  Women should not be totally blamed for “getting” pregnant.  Women are emotional and want decent men in their life; God designed them that way.  If they do not have a wise, loving, protective, and providing father in their childhood formative years, they may seek this fulfillment elsewhere.  Young ladies are sometimes not wise enough to know how to be selective in choosing a mate, or in knowing how to navigate any type of interpersonal relationships. Remember, they may not have had a positive male role model.  America needs to step up to the plate and start putting young men to shame who take advantage of women.

    • Evermyrtle

      @celi65 They were never forced to get, “with child.” Accident, you say?? If car drivers had as many “accidents” we would be back to “mule and wagon!”

      • LarryChambers

        @Evermyrtle  @celi65 What do you tink of the girl who told her parents she doesn’t know how she got pregnant; she just woke up one morning and she was like that?

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @celi65 Drunk, high on drugs? That will cause it, too, you know?? i hear of it all the time!!! Sad but true!!!!.
           
          How are you today, still fight the bad guys? I see we have two wonderful Larrys on the warpath against evil, I think I may as well join you.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @celi65 I would love for you to join in you know that. Christ wants us to spread His name and make His glory known. We want to comfort and strengthen those who believe and we want those who do not know Christ to come  and be saved and to come to the true knowledge of Him so that they too can receive eternal life through Him.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @celi65 That is very true and do to that they must hear the ungarnished truth. Even though we need to be gentle at times, at other times we must be brash. JESUS CHRIST did not pinch HIS words, nor did he bite HIS tongue. . If it takes harsh we must “bite the bullet” and speak as is necessary to get most people to listen. You have marvelous patience, sometimes you may  have to raise your voice just to be heard.

  • celi65

    Yes, ‘WereAll Screwed’; actually I have read something concerning the fallout between the Federal Bankers and JFK.  He had made so many enemies during that time that it is hard to pinpoint which group actually committed the coup-d’etat.  I believe all individuals in high positions, including the White House, are beholding to several groups of people or organizations.  I believe this is due to the elaborate funding required for campaigning.  This country needs to set new standards and dollar amounts for election primaries, and disband the political action committees.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRY CHAMBERS, YOU are the right person, you are being truthful , and that is something we do not see very much in todays life, OBAMA and his co-partners in the WHITE HOUSE are ATHEIST,  OBAMA has these people thinking that he has all of the right answers, he has all of the LIES down pat, THANK YOU larry nieman

    • LarryChambers

      @LARRY NIEMAN Thank you Larry!  Babies cannot teach babies good moral priciples which is become the death of our moral and social structure in this nation. Evil never tells you the whole story. It’s not so much what evil says that burns you, it’s what it doesn’t say. And that’s where these kids are fooled at because oneday the free ride will be over. If we look at it, when was anything done for the American taxpayer? Yet his taxes keep going up and up and so does food, gas, housing, education, clothing, car payments, insurance and everything else he needs for daily living. But the thing of is, is that he has to pay CASH for all this stuff and try to save something. No, I don’t have a magic wand. So, that’s the difference those receiveing frre help don’t want to look at. Your whole level of mentality goes up to another level when you have to GET UP AND GO TO WORK.
      There is no easing of the mind with mere words to make one feel guilty when everybody who can should take care of themselves. Tha’s what makes a nation strong.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers How are you this morning, Pal??  Your “babies” are only what they have been taught to be, or at least not taught what to be. Parents teaching their children right from wrong flew out the window several generals back. It is not the “the thing”  to d nowadays. It is much more important to be “one of the crowd”

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN They are 95% of them after the same goal, a new country to add to their stockpile of Satan’s demons. paradise.  ( Just wait til they “get ahold of me!!!., I will pay, big time, if they are not stopped)

  • braveheart 1

    Only in America could an ILLEGAL ALIEN become president, campaign on a $1.1 million dollar bus made in Canada, and paid for by American taxpayers!!!!!

    • Ilene Richman

      @braveheart 1
       Our representatives and Senators are jelly fish. They are afraid of a black man. That is why they hide their heads in the sand. We need patriots like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison to run our country. But we do not have these type of people any more. All the politicians are interested in is “How much money can I get from lobbyists?”. Our country has become corrupted by lobbyists and crooked politicians.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    celi65  NO, celi65, I started my investigation on this POLITICAL disobedience in 08, but this ”TO BANK RUPT THE U.S.A.” started in 1963, by CLOWARD AND PIVVEN, these were two coledge PROFESSORS, in the U.S.A.  they desided that FREE ENTERPRISE would not work for very long in the U.S.A.  but if they could find a way to BANKRUPT the U.S.A. and then put in office a DICTATOR, this would work, NOW, when OBAMA took office, we were 10 trillion $ in debt, and 4 yrs later we were 16 trillion $ in debt, and in 2016 we will be 20 trillion in debt, and right now CHINA is buying some of our FORCLOSED homes, now, DO YOU GET THE LARGER PICTURE , thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN I believe you once said that you were a busy man, you are also a smart and brave man.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    cecil65, ISRAEL is the PROMIS LAND, thank you, LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN I agree 100%

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRY CHAMBERS, FIRST, actions speak louder than words, OBAMA talks a very good story, BUT HE ACTS THE EXACT OPOSITE, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    frankwacaser, I am a TEA PARTY PATRIOT for 4 yrs now, and 41 million members, DOCTORS, LAWYERS, JUDGES, and SHERIFF JOE ARPIO, and his cold case possee, of hundreds of people, have done extensive research on OBAMAS personal info, that OBAMA has spent 1.5 million $ to keep sealed, including his BIRTH certificate, OBAMA does not know what his ”real name” is he has three names, he has 5 social security #”s etc. HE DOES NOT RECONISE THE WORD ”TRUTH”. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    GREG137, I AM A TEA PARTY PATRIOT, AND WE along with SHERIFF JOE ARPIO, and his cold case possee, are going through process of having OBAMA impeached, and OBAMA knows that his DAYS are numbered, yes, LEGALLY, OBAMA should not be in OUR WHITE HOUSE, OBAMA’S father ”was not an american citizen”. so OBAMA is not elegible to be PRESIDENT, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Mike Travis

      @LARRY NIEMAN 
      While I agree with you he needs to be removed from office, he will never be impeached as the commies in the Senate will not allow it, plus the cowards in the House are afraid to even say anything.
      No, he must be charged with his crimes that include being an accessory to murder (fast & furious), murder (he had Stevens killed), treason, and more.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN If he is not removed we will no longer be “America the home of the Free and the Brave!!”

    • Mikey420

      @LARRY NIEMAN , what can I do to help and show support? Please tell me as I WILL GLADLY HELP ANYWAY I CAN!!

    • spyderdalton

      @LARRY NIEMAN Why are we not hearing about your attempt at having him impeached?  I keep hearing (even on Mark Levin) how it is pointless because the Senate rules and will never allow it. There must be a law that can be used when sedition has encompassed the entire Congress and the country is being overrun by despots.  They are all complicit in Obama’s crimes at this point and all should be tried for treason.  You need more PR to keep people tuned in as they all think the country is beyond hope.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    AMERICA 4 EVER, ME TOO. i am 72 yrs young, i have don several postings on this page this morning, so if you have any questions , please ask me, i would be happy to give you my view on these things, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN My prayers are with you and will assist any way possible to put down thei “Limb of Satan!”

    • LouLuna

      @LARRY NIEMAN  The Spook us reading your comet

  • Arizonasicandtired

    Nothing this Spook does even comes as a surprise as he is a traitor….Are you ready to fight? better get ready becaus ehtere is a fight brewing

  • WSmith

    The legacy of Obama’s policy lunacy will be spent in lives for decades to come. Progressive madness from the Versailles treaty to Jimmy Carter undermining the Shah at Soviet request to this. Again millions will perish for the foolishness of a man unqualified to be a paper hanger let alone leader of the free world.

  • Ms Fran

    celi65 11 pts>>>> WHEN IN AMERICA have  you seen a baby DIE from no FOOD!!! GMAB!!! big diff from killing them when they are  ready to be born

  • RobertLatta

    The MB is an enemy to Western Civilization, but traitorous liberals will deny this fact. LIberals are allied with Muslim militants, just as they were allied with Communists during the Cold War. Watch The Muslim Brotherhood Project at Glenn Beck’s The Blaze site – http://www.theblaze.com to learn about the goals of the MB!

    • Seymour Kleerly

      @RobertLatta You do know that being a Glenn Beck fan leaves you in a tiny, extremely gullible minority.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Seymour Kleerly  @RobertLatta  Don’t fancy yourself, any more popular or not as well liked as Glen Beck.

        • Seymour Kleerly

          @Evermyrtle  @RobertLatta My only two fans are my cats. I think Beck has really hurt America and especially the GOP..

  • Carol

    This should not surprise anyone. Knew this was going to happen.  He is destroying America, one step at a time.

    • guest

      it’s more like one leap at a time….

  • Foxtrap

    MaoBama is probably the most dangerous man alive, at this point.  Everything he does is detrimental to America’s well being and security. I have no doubts whatsoever that he’s covertly planning Israel’s demise. All arrows point to it. He’s weakening America to the point that we, the people will be powerless to stop him. When he’s finished, Israel will be non-existent, and America will me a smoldering ruin controlled by China.

    • LarryChambers

      @Foxtrap Israel is not going anywhere and they will never be wiped from the face of the earth. God makes that understood from the time of their beginning and until He is through dealing with them. But it’s a ggod idea to keep your eye on what’s going on with them because what happens in Israel will be the telling of the appearing of Christ when He comes to the clouds to take (rapture) the Church with him. But no nation  ever has nor will ever wipe out those people. Many have tried all through history and they are still here. My suggestion is that you pray for them and for America because that’s all we have  is trust in God. It’s senseless to worry about the earth when it’s all going to be burned up anyway but all those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved from the plagues and the terrible destruction coming up on this world. Rom 9:9 That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. In ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other nameunder heavengiven among menby which we must be saved. This is the love of God that we tell all men about the love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. For it is not His wish that any should die.

      • JohnnieFay

        @LarryChambers  @Foxtrap So True…Lift up your eyes Redemption is drawing near….Come quickly Lord Jesus !!

        • LarryChambers

          @JohnnieFay  @Foxtrap Maranatha! Even come so Lord Jesus.
          I appreciate you in sharing with me the love of God. And I thankful to all who give comfort and add confidence to others in the faith. For we know there is no one else and we know we cannot depend on man. Let us continue to be of the same mind, sharing the same same thoughts so that we do not deviate from the truth of God’s precious word. This is what will keep us strong, keep us united in the faith of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is our blessed hope, may He be glorified and praised forever in the highest, amen. God is not through with Israel. And these horrible times of trouble are going to be her final discipline. The direction the world is headed points to those times coming very soon. But we of the Church can rejoice because it’s good news for us because before the tribulation we will be taken off the earth. So it really doesn’t matter what man does we who are in Christ will be saved.
          1Thess4:18 “Therefore comfort one another with these words”.

    • Ilene Richman

      @Foxtrap
       Obama has surrounded Israel with enemies. He has brought the Muslim Brotherhood into Egypt and destroyed our ally Mubaruk. He put the Al Qaeda into Tunisia and Libya. He is sending arms to Syria who are Al Qaeda, via the Turkish route. That is why the Ambassador was in Benghazi to meet with the Turkish diplomat. Now he has nominated all Anti-Semites to his cabilent: Chuck Hagel to Defense, Brennan (who loves the Arabs and speaks Arabic and is the one who, I believe, changed the talking points) to CIA, and a no nothing to Secretary of the Treasury, who worked for Citi and was a failure. It is time for our Congress to stand up to this imposter. Subpeona him and ask questions. The reason he kissed the hand of the Saudi Arabia Emir was because Saudi Arabia paid for his Harvard education. And on what passport, as a student, did he travel to Pakistan, when PaKistan was put on a “no travel list?” Was it a British or Indonesian passport. This man is not an American citizen and should be thrown out of office by the American people demanding that Congress do so.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    FOXTRAP, i am LARRY NIEMAN, YES, OBAMA is a very and probably the most POWERFUL man on the planet, BUT he is biting off more than he can chew, he is getting much over confident, this will be his demise, PLEASE study your HOLY BIBLE, IRAN has sworn , on national TV  to wipe ISRAEL OFF OF THE PLANET,  well, GOD has claimes and JESUS CHRIST  has claimed that ISRAEL is the PROMISED LAND, and anyone that comes against ISRAEL will be defeated, and all that have came against ISRAEL have been defeated, OBAMA is a MUSLIM, and MUSLIM are ATHEIST. ATHEISTISM, will not prevail, the CHRISTIANS AND JEWS will PREVAIL, please read your bibles, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Herre is a verse of scripture that anti Israel peoples ought to read and now. Genesis 12:3 GOD said,” I will bless those who bless Israel and I will curse those who curse thee, and in thee shall all families on earth be blessed

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    BRAVEHEART 1 , we are fighting on the same side, and it is very good to hear from you, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • OldObserver

    What else could we expect from a sham president whose goal is to destroy us and israel??

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    celi65, i am not sure what you are impling. i said that this whole thing about BANK RUPTING tha U.S.A  started in 1963 by CLOWARD AND PIVEN, now the national debt was 10 trillion in 08 when OBAMA took office, now it is at 16 trillion, and in 2016 it will be 20 trillion, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, thank you and GOD BLESS, LARRY NIEMAN

  • http://whenthefatmamspeaks.com/ gary jones

    I will never dishonor my oath, my country and will never lay down my weapons to this tyrannical government and a wannabee dictator Obama.

  • v steve

    Owning a firearm is a pursuit of happiness fulfulled.

  • Barry Goldwater

    For an Administration willing to murder hundreds of Mexicans in an illegal arms transfer to drug cartels, I’m mystified as to why you would be shocked that he would allow the murder of Jews.

  • Ilene Richman

    Obama is sending f-16 fighter jets to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood. He is also giving Egypt billions of dollars while Americans are struggling to make ends meet. Why doesn’t our “jelly bellied Congress” stop this MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE” from shipping money and weapons to our enemies. Obama is out to destroy our country. He has made the Middle East into a burning cauldron and pushed out our allies in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia. He is helping the Al qaeda rebes in Syria. And he wants to bankrupt the US by continuously borrowing and driving up the debt. Obama is out to destroy the US. Where are the patriotic Senators and Representatives? Asleep at the switch?. We were asleep when Hitler made promises to Chamberlin and then marched into Poland and Czechoslavakia.  We cannot let it happen again. Write and call your Senators and Congressman to throw this imposter out of the White House. Or else we are alll doomed.

  • Motoman1

    Please cite your sources so I feel more comfortable sharing this information.

    • Benevolent Thinker

      @Motoman1
       Florida Rep. Vern Buchanan, American Center for Law and Justice, Middle East Media Research Institute.

  • oldgreyandugly

    Benjimin Franklin once said: “Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.   It was true then and it’s true today !!!!!

  • Brendajane

    ALSO…The Cartel….remember the ‘Fast and Furious’!  Now if he suceeds in disarming everyone along the Mexican Border….Need I say more?

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, OBAMA has been trying out his DICTATOR AND CHIEF for the past 4 yrs, now he is getting comfortable in this place, he just wanted to see how far he could get with this effort, and do not forget who is pulling the strings, GEO. SOROS. the PUPET MASTER, and other big money backers for OBAMA, if OBAMA does not or can not deliver what these PUPET MASTERS WANT, then they will ELIMINATE HIM and get someone that can. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Thank you so much for what you are doing, it seems that so few people have one ounce of courage. They had much rather hide and snivel and complain when things go bad. If that thing is not stopped they will really see what bad is, since they have not seen “bad” yet..

  • Mikey420

    I agree worry about America 1st

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, YES, that is right, i am out spoken, and this could get me in much trouble, but if i do not speak the truth, then i should shut my mouth and listen, but that is not me, i will stand for what i beleive, CHRISTANITY. to tell the truth, I AM SORRY THAT OBAMA CAN NOT SAY THAT, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN It is our duty as citizens and our duty as Christians to stand up for what to know to be the truth. I just hope it never ricochets onto my children and grandchildren but will not allow that to stop me.  I think and pray about that often. Thanks. M. K.Linder
       
      By the way, my foot is in my mouth as often as it is on the floor, almost.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN I want to tell you that we appreciate, very much  all that you and the others are doing,for Christianity and freedom.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    MIKE TRAVIS, we are on the same page, these 4 AMERICAN MEN that died in BENGUISY, their BLOOD are on OBAMA’S hands, and he is proud of it, OBAMA is determined to bring the U.S.A. to her knees, well, i will be here to DEFEND the AMERICAN PEOPLE to the time where I DIE TRYING , to keep us FREE, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    deanied, LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, their is POWER IN NUMBERS, please, JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.NET, WE NEED MANY MORE MEMBERS, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES, TO HAVE OBAMA IMPEACHED OR ARRESTED, HE HAS COMMITED 6 UNLAWFUL ACTS, we have LAWYERS, JUDGES, ETC. TO GET THIS DONE, WE JUST NEED MORE NAMES ON OUR LIST, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • WereAllScrewed

      @LARRY NIEMAN Larry the TEA PARTY was a great idea, but the RNC (party leaders) Neutralized it.  Your living in FANTASY LAND if you think change will come about through the 2 party system …the game is rigged.  RNC & DNC are just 2 heads of the same snake.  They are the problem, not the solution.  It is the peerfect con game.  Whichever party is in power can Blame the other party as the villan for all our ills and 1/2 of the people will believe it.  Thus they never have to solve any of our countries problems or follow the will of the people.  It is all smoke n mirrors.  You do not decide who the POTUS will be it is decided behind closed doors as to which party is in the most disfavor with the people and they decide which candidates will run, they fund both of the horses in the race so they are in control regardless which one wins.  You are like children at the grocery store who wants candy…mommy decides what you will have.  You get to choose.  Mommy says “johnny do you want some MENTOS or  some gummy bears.  2 choices … You get to choose.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    MIKE420, are you familiar with the tea party movement? , well , OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS, do not like us, the tea party is made up of all classes of ordinary people, it goes from the comon working class people, to JUDGES, LAWYERS, SOME IN CONGRESS, and other parts of the GOVERNMENT, THAT WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. we need FREE ENTERPRISE BACK IN AMERICA. not a DICTATOR. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • Sgt York

    When you arm the enemy you become there cohort,then there enemy again but with fringe benefits. This Guy is gonna get us taken over. AHH yes our friend that just gave us weapons can stay the ruler of Communist-Muslim North America. Canada-mexico wanna join us peace fully  or must we take you to?

  • AnthonyR

    Larry, give it up please!!! What has this election done?? re-elected this jerkoff again for another 4 Years..So your telling us that your little list will impeach this guy?? BULL!!! he is untouchable, nobody in Congress gives a crap! He will never be impeached, nor spend a second in prison..STOP!! And to all of you who voted him back, your a bunch of idiots!!! He will finish what Bin laden set out to do, bankrupt America!!

    • oldgreyandugly

      @AnthonyR
       You are right in that Obama had to get rid of Bin Laden as Bin Laden was stealing his thunder.
      He couldn’t allow Bin laden to get credit for something he wanted credit for.

      • BCJ

        @oldgreyandugly@AnthonyR
        In 1773, a wealthy goldsmith and coin dealer named Mayer Amschel Bauer (1743-1812) summoned 12 wealthy and influential men to his place of business in Frankfurt, Germany. His purpose for the meeting was to impress upon these men that if they pooled their resources, it was possible to gain control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire world. He then outlined a 25 point plan on how to accomplish it.
        The plan was put into operation and evidentiary information exists that Bauer aligned himself with Adam Weishaupt who was the founder of the Illuminati whose aim was and still is world domination. Bauer later changed his name to Rothschild which means “red shield.” He took it from the red sign which hung outside his place of business. The eagle was clutching 5 golden arrows in its claws. It was supposed to symbolize his five sons. Presently the red shield represents the official coat of arms of the city of Frankfurt, Germany.
        Later on each of the five sons were dispatched to a major city in Europe to establish a branch of the Rothschild banking firm.
        Son #1 – Amschel – Remained in Frankfurt and propelled Germany to financial success under Bismarck.
        Son #2 – Salomon – Went to Vienna, Austria. he became a leader in the Austria-Hungary Empire.
        Son #3 – Nathan Mayer – Went to England where he took control of the Bank of England.
        Son #4 – Carl – Went to Naples where he became the most powerful man in Italy through his banking skills.
        Son #5 – James Jacob – Went to Paris where he established the central bank. He was credited with dominating the financial destiny of the nation of France.
        By 1850, the House of Rothschild represented more wealth than all the families of Europe. Shortly after he formed the Bank of England, William Patterson lost control of it to Nathan Rothschild and here is how he did it:
        • Nathan Rothschild was an observer on the day the Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo, Belgium. He knew that with this information he could make a fortune. He later paid a sailor a big fee to take him across the English Channel in bad weather. The news of Napoleon’s defeat would take a while to hit England. When Nathan arrived in London, he began selling securities and bonds in a panic. The other investors were deceived into believing that Napoleon won the war and was eyeing England so they began to sell their securities too. What they were unaware of is that Rothschild’s agents were buying all the securities that were being sold in panic. In one day, the Rothschild fortune grew by one million pounds. They literally bought control of England for a few cents on the dollar. The same way the Rockefeller’s went into Japan after World War 2 and bought everything 10 cents on the dollar. SONY=Standard Oil New York, a Rockefeller Company.
        Frederick Morton wrote in his book, The Rothschilds:
        • “…the wealth of the Rothschilds consists of the bankruptcy of nations.”
        There were other wealthy families in Europe and America which were allowed to join “the international banking club” such as John D. Rockefeller and John Pierpont Morgan.
        Early American Wisdom
        The Americans had won their political independence but their financial independence was in jeopardy. The international bankers had an agent in place and his name was Alexander Hamilton who wanted a central bank. Thomas Jefferson lobbied vehemently against the central bank stating it was contrary to the Constitution. However, a central bank was formed in 1781 known as the Bank of North America which was patterned after the Bank of England. The colonists wanted nothing to do with it so it folded in 1790. The international bankers countered the closing of the Bank of North America by gaining a charter for the Bank of the United States which was chartered on February 25, 1791. The Bank of France desired the formation of the US Bank also and it was chartered for 20 years.
        In 1826, the second bank’s charter was soon to expire and presidential candidate Andrew Jackson campaigned strongly against a central bank which was owned and operated by the international banking element. Here is Jackson’s opinion of those bankers:
        • “You are a den of vipers. I intend to wipe you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out…If people only understood the rank injustice of the money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning.”
        In 1836, the charter did expire but that was not the end of the international banking influence in this country. The Civil War was planned in England as far back as 1809. Slavery was not the real cause of the Civil War. The Rothschilds (who were heavy into the slave trade) used the slavery issue as “a divide and conquer strategy” which almost split the United States in two. The Bank of England financed the North while the Paris branch of the Rothschild bank funded the South. In 1863, the National Banking Act was passed despite protest by President Lincoln. This act allowed a private corporation the authority to issue our money.
        Enter 1913

        • BCJ

          Enter 1913
          In November of 1910, some of these vultures came together at the Jekyl Island Hunt Club on Jekyl Island, Georgia. What were they hunting? The biggest prize of all, the absolute and complete control of all the money in America which means control of all America and with it the power to make slaves of all the people.
          Those who attended were: Senator Nelson Aldrich (Nelson Rockefeller’s maternal grandfather); A. Piatt Andrew, Economist and Assistant Secretary of the Treasury; Frank Vanderlip, President of the National City Bank of New York; Henry P. Norton, President of Morgan’s First National Bank of New York; Paul Moritz Warburg, a German who was partner in the New York banking house of Kuhn, Loeb Co.; Benjamin Strong, an aid to J. P. Morgan.
          Paul Warburg was credited as the architect of the bill which was passed by Congress and signed by traitorous Woodrow Wilson. It was entitled the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. America once again had a central bank but this time they had placed America under an absolute dictatorship. President James Garfield had insight into this situation:
          • “It must be realized that whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolutely master of all industry commerce.”
          The Federal Reserve was incorporated in 1914 and has been creating a completely unnecessary national debt ever since. In simple terms, the Fed creates money as debt. They create money out of thin air by nothing more than a book entry. Whenever the members of the Fed make any loans, that debt money is our money supply.
          The United States went bankrupt in 1938 because of this system. It took the Fed only 25 years to bankrupt the USA. Can you imagine how little time it would take these vultures to bankrupt a developing nation? The American people are paying about $300 billion dollars a year in interest to this phony organization. When you look in the Washington, D.C. phone book, you will not find the Federal Reserve in the Government section as they are a private concern.
          The national debt is increased about $1.71 billion dollars every day (as of October 12, 2004). Look at your money? It says “Federal Reserve Note” which means it is an instrument of debt. There is no real money in circulation.
          The Assassination of President Kennedy
          One of the greatest cover-ups in history was the Killing of the President. If you believe the Mafia did it, then I have ocean front land in Kansas for you to buy. President Kennedy was murdered over money, $4 billion dollars’ worth. You see, he had printed $4 billion worth of non-interest bearing money which meant he began to chop at the profits of the vultures. Interest free money means the national debt is eliminated and the power of the international banking element is broken. So to prevent Kennedy from abolishing the illegal Fed, he was assassinated. Coincidence? As soon as the traitor Johnson was in office, he recalled all the debt free notes and continued our country in the same path of ruin. There, the mystery of the killing is over. Just follow the trail of the money.
           
          War

        • BCJ

          War
          Now that the Federal Reserve was firmly in place, schemes had to be constructed to get the government to borrow so a continuously growing national debt would happen. So here are some coincidences: The Federal Reserve is created in 1913, then in 1914 we have World War 1. Right at the end of World War 1, we have a depressed economy especially in the Weimar Republic where 2 billion marks could buy a loaf of bread. In 1917, we had the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. A man named Lord Alfred Milner was a front man and paymaster for the Rothschilds in Petrograd during the revolution. He later headed a secret organization called The Round Table which was dedicated to a one world government run by wealthy financiers under socialism.
          Then, lo and behold, in the 1920′s we see a little known corporal with 12 men meeting in a beer hall in Munich while in America the Roaring 20′s were in progress until October, 1929. Then the Federal Reserve withheld money from circulation so bills could not be paid, while simultaneously they were calling in all their loans which caused the stock market to crash. By 1932 the price of stocks had plummeted 80%. When the bankers plunged this nation into a depression on that fateful day in October, at the New York Stock Exchange was a visitor, his name was Winston Churchill who stated after the crash of ’29, “Now I know who wields the real power.”
          Then we come into the 1930′s and the rise of Hitler. Hitler was also funded by Wall Street through the Industrialist I.G. Farben. Let’s test the theory of follow the money. Here is a little known corporal with no money meeting in a beer hall in Munich with only about 12 men. In a seriously depressed and defeated country, there begins to rise another military dictatorship. By 1934 the Nuremberg Rallies were in place and Germany was rebuilt. In that countries’ economy that had that much money to rebuild Germany into a powerful country which marched across Europe and almost defeated Russia in the first 24 hours of Case White (The invasion of Russia)? The answer is the bankers of the USA and England. In fact, a banker named Bernard Baruch was President Roosevelt’s personal advisor during World War 2. Baruch made $200 million dollars as a result of World War 2. During WW2 the Rockefellers were selling oil to the Germans from their Standard Oil concern in Argentina.
          The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was formed in 1919 in Paris, France by Colonel Edward Mandell House who was known as Woodrow Wilson’s alter ego. The CFR was and still is dedicated to the one world rule under a new world order. In fact, every war has been planned by the CFR. Every American President since 1919 has had their cabinet filled with CFR members. Also our traitorous Presidents fill their cabinets with not only CFR members but those of the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Yale Fraternity of the Skull and Bones (George Bush was a member of this).
          These members insure that the will of the bankers are done, even if the President is not a member of any group. After WW2, was fought another war was created known as the Korean War (which was started by a phone call from John Foster Dulles), then the Vietnam War. During the Vietnamese War, the Rockefellers had a metals processing plant going full blast in North Vietnam. The Rockefellers have the blood of thousands of Americans on their hands because of their supplying the Russians with weapons and metals. The North Vietnamese received their weapons from Russia. The only reason these rats are never indicted for treason, is because since WW2 there has never been a declared war which means if we have no official enemy, there can be no aiding the enemy AKA treason.
          Presently we have skirmishes such as the Gulf War of 1990 which was an experiment by the New World Order crowd to see how fast they can assemble an army in case a country does not choose to obey the dictates of the banker bosses. Of course funding for the gulf war came from borrowing money from the Fed. Wherever you hear of a limited war, or some type of political destabilization, think of the money trail. Wars are started in foreign countries, then our President goes there and gives millions of dollars of borrowed money which normally goes into the pockets of the dictators. Nowhere in our Constitution is it written that our government is to borrow money and give it away.
          At this point I want you to click on the following web site and see the reality of the death of America:
          The Debt Clock
          Final Thoughts

        • BCJ

          The Debt Clock
          Final Thoughts
          The American economy has been sucked dry by the Federal Reserve System. Americans think they own property but the truth is the entire United States has been mortgaged to the bankers. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers become richer while the peoples of the world become poorer. The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank are also designed to loan money to developing nations with the understanding that they will never be able to repay so with every loan made to a country, it becomes their death knell. The entire world has been plunged into a debt economy which means 6 billion people are in debt to about 250 men. But keep in mind that all their wealth is phony because it is created money without any gold backing.
          I really laugh when Wall Street bows down to Alan Greenspan who is nothing more than a boot licker of the International Banking element who takes his orders by phone too. So many people rejoice when the Federal Reserve has a policy meeting and no interest rate increase happens. The truth is that we should never have a Federal Reserve to begin with. They print money, loan it into circulation and the American people are strapped with more debt.
          I remember leaving materials on the Federal Reserve at a meeting of Concerned Women for America. The next day I went back and not one copy was taken. The reason given me was because it was not approved material. Groups like Concerned Women for America and the Christian Coalition and Rush Limbaugh are something known as controlled opposition. They are allowed to exist as long as they do not bring up the real issues. If they stick to the created liberal Democrat Vs. conservative Republican agenda, they can exist and the bankers will even make them famous. But you will never hear a Beverly LaHaye, Tim LaHaye, Jim Dobson, James Boice, Billy Graham, Gary Bauer, or any other famous Christians ever tackle the real issues like the illegal Fed, which causes all the poverty in every country. If these people would think for a minute that if $300 billion dollars a year was not being sucked out of the economy and was used for the people in this country, we would surely have enough to help other nations and our own problems. Crime would almost be non-existent with a monetized money system. The Great Commission would also be funded without worrying if there will be enough left over to feed the children.
          THE TEN MEMBER BANKS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE
          All owned by the Rothschilds
          Rothschild Bank of London
          Warburg Bank of Hamburg
          Rothschild Bank of Berlin
          Lehman Brothers of New York
          Lazard Brothers of Paris
          Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
          Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
          Goldman, Sachs of New York
          Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
          Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

        • WereAllScrewed

          @BCJ Right ON.  Nice to see at least one well informed “AWAKENED” person on this forum that understands the depth of our problems.  Unfortunately it is probably too late to change course before the USS Liberty hits the ICEBERG. The ship is going down people, their is no recovery on the horizon.
           
          OBTW the manufactured economic crisis and TARP Bailout were more about Banking Consolidation. (all the smaller banks (the competition) were gobbled up by the TOO BIG TO FAIL BANKS)  and they used your tax dollars to fund it!  Congress originally declined their first request until SEC.of the TREASURY PAULSON (ex Goldman SAX employee Representing the BANKERS) THREATENED (EXTORTED) Congress with ECONOMIC COLLAPSE and KAOS in the streets followed by Marshall Law.  Then the BANKSTERS took the TARP FUNDS and used i for their own self interests.  Most people don’t know that some of it went to prop up the BANK OF ICELAND, while they were forclosing on U.S. homeowners.

      • WereAllScrewed

        @oldgreyandugly  @AnthonyR Isn’t it convenient that OBAMA got him just before re-election but NOBODY saw Bin Ladens BODY because they supposedly buried him at sea.  Bin laden was likely dead years ago or could still be alive living in a villa in Saudi Arabia for all we know.  Ever look at some of the CIA MIS-INFORMATION video’s of the different BIN LADEN’S.  The original shows him with gray streaks in the center of his beard and on his cheeks.  Then their is the younger Bin LADEN with no gray in his beard at all very black.   Then there was the FAT BIN LADEN , the CIA just conveniently trots a BIN LADEN video out every time they needed one to keep the charade going.

    • LarryChambers

      @AnthonyR The negetivity I can do without. And I do believe that the brave men and women who have risked their lives for our freedom while serving in the military will agree with me that, the more you know about your enemy the better you can prepare for him. Information is is worth more the monetary value. There are people who have no idea what went wrong with the election but, they want to know the truth. I will not as long as God gives me strength deny them that oportunity. I love America and I will do whatever I can to help, defend, comfort, inform to let my fellow Americans know they do not stand alone. He is not untouchable nor is he invinsible he is just a man and it is God who is in control of man. You are letting your fears cloud your better judgment. Cryingdoes not solve problems. Lets put our heads together and be what our forefathers died for; proud Americans.

    • Evermyrtle

      @AnthonyR Certainly nobody can touch them, hidden back in a corner somewhere, afraid to stick their heads out int the daylight. That is why we are the mes we are in today, too many people blind themselves to the truth and will do nothing but critize those who do try do do something.

    • BCJ

      America went bankrupt in 1938.
       
      In November of 1910, some of these vultures came together at the Jekyl Island Hunt Club on Jekyl Island, Georgia. What were they hunting? The biggest prize of all, the absolute and complete control of all the money in America which means control of all America and with it the power to make slaves of all the people.
      Those who attended were: Senator Nelson Aldrich (Nelson Rockefeller’s maternal grandfather); A. Piatt Andrew, Economist and Assistant Secretary of the Treasury; Frank Vanderlip, President of the National City Bank of New York; Henry P. Norton, President of Morgan’s First National Bank of New York; Paul Moritz Warburg, a German who was partner in the New York banking house of Kuhn, Loeb Co.; Benjamin Strong, an aid to J. P. Morgan.
      Paul Warburg was credited as the architect of the bill which was passed by Congress and signed by traitorous Woodrow Wilson. It was entitled the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. America once again had a central bank but this time they had placed America under an absolute dictatorship. President James Garfield had insight into this situation:
      • “It must be realized that whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolutely master of all industry commerce.”
      The Federal Reserve was incorporated in 1914 and has been creating a completely unnecessary national debt ever since. In simple terms, the Fed creates money as debt. They create money out of thin air by nothing more than a book entry. Whenever the members of the Fed make any loans, that debt money is our money supply.
      The United States went bankrupt in 1938 because of this system. It took the Fed only 25 years to bankrupt the USA. Can you imagine how little time it would take these vultures to bankrupt a developing nation? The American people are paying about $300 billion dollars a year in interest to this phony organization. When you look in the Washington, D.C. phone book, you will not find the Federal Reserve in the Government section as they are a private concern.
      The national debt is increased about $1.71 billion dollars every day (as of October 12, 2004). Look at your money? It says “Federal Reserve Note” which means it is an instrument of debt. There is no real money in circulation.
      The Assassination of President Kennedy
      One of the greatest cover-ups in history was the Killing of the President. If you believe the Mafia did it, then I have ocean front land in Kansas for you to buy. President Kennedy was murdered over money, $4 billion dollars’ worth. You see, he had printed $4 billion worth of non-interest bearing money which meant he began to chop at the profits of the vultures. Interest free money means the national debt is eliminated and the power of the international banking element is broken. So to prevent Kennedy from abolishing the illegal Fed, he was assassinated. Coincidence? As soon as the traitor Johnson was in office, he recalled all the debt free notes and continued our country in the same path of ruin. There, the mystery of the killing is over. Just follow the trail of the money.
       
      War
      Now that the Federal Reserve was firmly in place, schemes had to be constructed to get the government to borrow so a continuously growing national debt would happen. So here are some coincidences: The Federal Reserve is created in 1913, then in 1914 we have World War 1. Right at the end of World War 1, we have a depressed economy especially in the Weimar Republic where 2 billion marks could buy a loaf of bread. In 1917, we had the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. A man named Lord Alfred Milner was a front man and paymaster for the Rothschilds in Petrograd during the revolution. He later headed a secret organization called The Round Table which was dedicated to a one world government run by wealthy financiers under socialism.
      Then, lo and behold, in the 1920′s we see a little known corporal with 12 men meeting in a beer hall in Munich while in America the Roaring 20′s were in progress until October, 1929. Then the Federal Reserve withheld money from circulation so bills could not be paid, while simultaneously they were calling in all their loans which caused the stock market to crash. By 1932 the price of stocks had plummeted 80%. When the bankers plunged this nation into a depression on that fateful day in October, at the New York Stock Exchange was a visitor, his name was Winston Churchill who stated after the crash of ’29, “Now I know who wields the real power.”
      Then we come into the 1930′s and the rise of Hitler. Hitler was also funded by Wall Street through the Industrialist I.G. Farben. Let’s test the theory of follow the money. Here is a little known corporal with no money meeting in a beer hall in Munich with only about 12 men. In a seriously depressed and defeated country, there begins to rise another military dictatorship. By 1934 the Nuremberg Rallies were in place and Germany was rebuilt. In that countries’ economy that had that much money to rebuild Germany into a powerful country which marched across Europe and almost defeated Russia in the first 24 hours of Case White (The invasion of Russia)? The answer is the bankers of the USA and England. In fact, a banker named Bernard Baruch was President Roosevelt’s personal advisor during World War 2. Baruch made $200 million dollars as a result of World War 2. During WW2 the Rockefellers were selling oil to the Germans from their Standard Oil concern in Argentina.
      The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was formed in 1919 in Paris, France by Colonel Edward Mandell House who was known as Woodrow Wilson’s alter ego. The CFR was and still is dedicated to the one world rule under a new world order. In fact, every war has been planned by the CFR. Every American President since 1919 has had their cabinet filled with CFR members. Also our traitorous Presidents fill their cabinets with not only CFR members but those of the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Yale Fraternity of the Skull and Bones (George Bush was a member of this).
      These members insure that the will of the bankers are done, even if the President is not a member of any group. After WW2, was fought another war was created known as the Korean War (which was started by a phone call from John Foster Dulles), then the Vietnam War. During the Vietnamese War, the Rockefellers had a metals processing plant going full blast in North Vietnam. The Rockefellers have the blood of thousands of Americans on their hands because of their supplying the Russians with weapons and metals. The North Vietnamese received their weapons from Russia. The only reason these rats are never indicted for treason, is because since WW2 there has never been a declared war which means if we have no official enemy, there can be no aiding the enemy AKA treason.
      Presently we have skirmishes such as the Gulf War of 1990 which was an experiment by the New World Order crowd to see how fast they can assemble an army in case a country does not choose to obey the dictates of the banker bosses. Of course funding for the gulf war came from borrowing money from the Fed. Wherever you hear of a limited war, or some type of political destabilization, think of the money trail. Wars are started in foreign countries, then our President goes there and gives millions of dollars of borrowed money which normally goes into the pockets of the dictators. Nowhere in our Constitution is it written that our government is to borrow money and give it away.
      At this point I want you to click on the following web site and see the reality of the death of America:

    • Evermyrtle

      @AnthonyR You seem to have forgotten GOD. All things are in HIS hands. I believe that is the reason that we are in such a mess now, the reason that HE has allowed Obam to get so far. WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HIM. WE GIVE HIM NO RESPECT, NO HONOR. WE HAVE LOST FAITH. WE ARE A SHAME, AS SO CALLED CHRISTIAN PEOPLE

    • WereAllScrewed

      @AnthonyRTtHERE ARE NO HONEST MEN IN CONGRESS, and that is by design.  The Puppet Masters have something on everyone.  All you need to do is look at what happened to Gov. Rod Blagojevic in Illinois.  He sided with a company that needed a loan to keep the doors open.  The minute he went against the Bankers and and publicly stated the State of Illinois would no longer do business with “BANK OF AMERICA” they supposedly had the FBI wiretapping him and had supposed tapes of him demanding a payoff for an appointment for Senator OBAMA’s vacated seat.  The Banksters took him out!

  • RH6194

    So let’s get this straight…guns are very dangerous weapons that have a habit of killing people. In fact, so much so, that we need to confiscate all guns from peaceful, law abiding U.S. citizens. At the same time, we are going to put MUCH more power military equipment in the hands of those who are committed to destroying a country that they share a border with…and then they would be completely happy to use those same “guns” on US! If you’re confused or think this doesn’t make sense, welcome to the Obama administration in 2013. That which makes sense is called “insane”, “ridiculous”, etc, while that which is crazy is upheld as the policy of the day! Our government is completely upside down….and the media doesn’t even begin to challenge it. What a country we live in today!!!

    • oldgreyandugly

      @RH6194 Let just add something to your post.  When they do conficate our guns, they won’t be destroyed, they will be sent ot the Muslim Brotherhood.
      Why give them oney we don’t when we can give them guns we do have.

    • hiway280z

      @RH6194
       they give the guns to the Mexican cartels and want to take ours away from us.

  • spyderdalton

    I think when people come to grips with the fact that our entire congress is guilty of treason, we can begin to do what’s necessary to make the changes needed to save this country.  Still, too many don’t get it…

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    ANTHONY R ,anyone can set on the side lines, and tell every one else that this will never happen, WELL THIS IS ONE FOR YOU, get up off of your REAR END , and come and help us get this COMUNIST OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE, i am glad you were not with us, when we need you. thanks LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN I simply cannot understand people who cannot see what is going on,  see how our country is being taken over by antichrist anti-American, liberals. We are being slain from within.

      • hiway280z

        @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN
         What is amazing is they tell you exactly what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. They are doing it exactly as they said they would and Americans have their heads up their butt’s and are just watching it happen.

      • celticwaryor

        @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN When powers that be start addressing the true problem behind gun violence, then and only then, will these murder sprees stop.
        As Isaiah 10:15 reads:
        But can the axe boast greater power than the person who uses it?
        Is the saw greater than the person who saws? 
        Can a rod strike unless a hand moves it?
        Can a cane walk by itself?
        Therefore, it’s quite obvious to anyone with an IQ above 10 can see that it takes a person to use the gun to do harm to others.  We don’t need gun control, we need crazy people control!

        • Evermyrtle

          @celticwaryor  @LARRY NIEMAN Your are right, we are going to the wrong source for help! we trust our own abilities , instead of going to the “MASTER PROBLEM SOLVER!”  If we even think of HIM at all, we just wave hIM away as if HE was of no importance.That is exactly the reason that we are in this mess.

  • DaveMell

    Absolute treason!  This is against the constitutional requirements and the oath that Obama took….to protect this country!  As a former military person I stand fast and state right now….IMPEACH THIS TRAITOR AND ALL OF THE TRAITORS THAT HELP HIM COMMIT TREASON! 
     
    If this does not happen…I while gladly join the ranks to a revolution!  This is not right!  I am sure I have many to stand near and at my side!  If they come and get me…they will be known in history in a negative way!  I do not play games with honor dignity and respect!
     
    They screwed an entire generation out of proper education, took more taxes than required, have been lied to continually, misdirected in efforts and now a treasonous act to help the enemies  called the Muslim Brotherhood!
     
    I see it clearly…EITHER YOU ARE FOR THIS COUNTRY OR YOU OR NOT…FREE SPEAK IS NICE BUT I AM SWORN TO PROTECT THE IS COUNTRY FOR ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!  Give up your weapons and support out enemies and you become an enemy!  There is no sitting on the fence!  It either make a dote or get off the pot!  I have had enough…I am formerly stating a call to arms is needed!

  • Vicki

    Wow, what won’t this guy we call our president do to or AGAINST us next? This is UNBELIEVABLE AND NOT WHAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT should do. STOP IT! He could stop it since the one he made the deal with is NO longer in power, this guy is “out for blood”, ours too, I’m sure, is Obama with him or with America? Here’s his time to show us. I say Impeach them all, they are not helping America. No one is standing up to him, he doesn’t answer to anyone, does what he wants to do, he needs to be stopped, IMPEACH!!!! What worse can he do, than he’s already done to us? He’s not for America, he’s a dictator, just like his musleum brotherhood buddies, gives them our weapons and wants to take ours away, except ones to protect him, his wife and daughters, and X presidents and families for life!! If you were a good president, why would you do this? Spending money to make it worth nothing, so china can take over our economy, he’s already let them into our banking systems? This guy needs to STOP, all who voted for him need to wake up, cause your problems are coming and he’s gonna be the reason for them!! God bless and protect Americans

  • BCJ

    Many years ago, I concluded my viewpoint was founded on slanted, socially engineered justifications.  I learned conventional wisdom, wasn’t … and, from cradle to Cronkite, and pulpit to politician, I’d been programmed by an unacceptably insane worldview. Perpetual War, pollution, genocide, corporate greed, religious fighting and a dog eat dog mentality seemed the norm.  I was being lied to by the government, the church, the banks and the schools. Based on my observations of the human dilemma, embracing such rationalizations didn’t make much sense.  I decided to learn in fact, “Who is the man behind the curtain”.
    I learned that the United States is controlled by a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons in a dominant class which is called an oligarchy. I learned that the Federal Reserve Bank (FED) is a private corporation owned by fat cats that loan money at interest to the United States Government which they create out of thin air. The U.S. Treasury writes bonds as a guarantee to the Federal Reserve Corporation. These bonds are in part sold (auctioned off) by the FED to other countries and international Banks. The fat cats pocket the money from the sale of the T-Bills and then receive the interest from the tax payers. Since 1988 we taxpayers have paid them over eight trillion dollars in interest on something they created out of thin air. The national debt has increased 5000 times since the inception of the Federal Reserve act in 1913. Only 10 banks own this corporation.  They are: Rothschild Bank of London, Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Rothschild Bank of Berlin, Lehman Brothers of New York, Lazard Brothers of Paris, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York, Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy, Goldman Sachs of New York, Warburg Bank of Amsterdam, Chase Manhattan Bank of New York.
    Nathan Mayer Rothschild boasted:  “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”
    Rothschild now controls the U.S. money supply and the world money supply.

  • USPatriotOne

    This all part of Obama and his cronies Communist/Muslim agenda to destroy America ans Israel, but he can’t do it until he starts moving on Armed Americans. We the People need to start moving on this Tyrant! I saw a convoy of Missile launching humvees head for Columbus on 71 South 2 months ago, and saw 2 Abrams main Battle tanks hidden under Camo Netting off a country dirt road.  I am not young any longer but I will not allow this tyrant and his Communist/Nazi Brown Shirts disarm me or anyone I know…!!!  Obama knows he is starting a Civil War that’s why he and his cronies are heading under ground and the really rich have already left the Country!  People better have Gas Masks because Obama will use Gas and germ warfare against the American people let alone being well Armed…be perpared its about to hit the fan people…!!!  Go listen to Dr. Michael Williams radio show “The Patriot Report” at “webtalkradio dot net” and get the real news the lame stream media won’t tell the American People.  We Patriots need to suppor this show or it’s going off the Air/Web this week.  Patriot please donate today…they only need to raise $1K and with thousand of listensers this should not be problem $5, $10, $20,  please Donate today at “thepatriotreport dot org” (THEY USE PAYPAL so it easy) while you are there please sign the “Recall Obama” petition.  The want to gather 5,000,000 signatures.
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    • kid721952

      @USPatriotOne
       Keep an eye on those tanks and report anything that is out of the usual,you can bet the government is going to cut the internet SOON so be ready to move,get organized,supplied,food,water,medical supplies,weapons,ammo,anything to fight with and be careful who you talk to also communicate with each other to find out whats going on,alot are moving underground in the ozark mountains,watch Jesse Venturas “Conspiracy Therory” Monday nites on Trutv

  • Humpfarnarkle

    It’s all part of the plan……disarm loyal, law abiding citizens while arming enemies of this country.  This way, the Obama types can take over easier.

    • IamnotMIA

      @Humpfarnarkle That is the BEST statement of ALL of these opinions. That’s exactly what he’s trying to do! Couldn’t have said it better myself…

  • BCJ

    @holyshirt You still don’t get it.
    What troubles me most is we still read that people think that it is the Democrats that are causing the problem. Yes they are in office now and Obama is a traitor.  But so was Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Wilson, etc. It only takes a few minutes on the computer to find out what every president since 1913 has done to destroy our nation. People need to wise up to the real problem.
    This is not just national … it is worldwide and it is not recent it has been in play since the turn of last century. Who funded the Bolshevik revolution? Who funded Germany’s phenomenal rise only a few years after being totally devastated and bankrupt after the first world war. These NWO people are devious to the degree that the majority of the people don’t understand. It is only through educating your friends that we will survive. I seriously doubt that even that will even help. Please go to you tube and watch/listen to camp FEMA   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOAK7iOlVk
    Don’t think for a minute that these people haven’t thought of every contingency. The government illegally imprisoned 150, 000 US citizens during world war two because they were 2nd or 3rd generation decedents of Japanese. The government (FEMA) is in place to do the same thing again.  However this time on a scale that will imprison all the dissidents.  The Law enforcement agencies are stock piling millions of rounds of hollow points. Halliburton has been awarded hundreds of millions of dollars to build internment centers all over the USA.   To think we could win a gun battle against these people is somewhat naïve don’t you think… I do! I hope people will wise up and learn what’s up before it comes to a gun battle.
    We are being led down the garden path. The above power elite for centuries have been dividing the populous. The French Revolution was financed by the house of Rothschild… as was the Bolshevik revolution. Divide and conquer. An ignorant and/or an uneducated people are easy to control.  You must be able to remember what has been happening… to indicate that the Democrats are at fault or that the Republicans are the culprits is exactly what the controllers want us to think. Our liberties are being taken away from us bit by bit regardless of what party is in office… just slow enough that we don’t revolt. For example, think back to 1973 and imagine what the people would do if all the freedoms that we had then and don’t have now were taken away from us in just one year. Educate yourself as to what is the real problem. Find out who sits behind the curtain and is manipulating the controls. Then tell all your friends. Freedom is not free. We have to become educated and work hard to educate all of our friends and acquaintances. It is our only hope

  • Mikey420

    Unfortunately we’d be labeled as terrorists for doing something about it

    • spyderdalton

      @Mikey420 That will be next.  Those refusing to turn in the guns and those that defy confiscation will be labeled terrorists and the police and military will expected to eliminate the threat.  The have already labeled tea party people as terrorists, just imagine how they will handle people in the streets fighting for their God given inalienable constitutional rights.  we already have judges breaking the laws to support Obama’s communist agenda.  There will be military and police that will do the same.

      • Dorris

        @spyderdalton  @Mikey420
         TIME TO TAKE OBAMAS DOWN. HIS DAYS ARE NUMBERED. HAD ENOUGH OF HIS BS>
        WE ARE THE BOSSES AND WE SAY , YOUR OUT. AND WE DON”T THREATEN.
        THIS WILL BE YOUR ONLY WARNING.
        BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE, WE STAND ALL TOGATHER.
        DON”T SMERK  WE MEAN BUSINESS.
        .

      • kid721952

        @spyderdalton  @Mikey420
         Don’t give up,the fight for FREEDOM is just beginning,much of the military and law enforcement don’t believe in obamas path towards socialism,anybody that believes in FREEDOM is a terrorist,if thats the case,I am proud,I TRUELY BELIEVE IN THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM,MY RIGHTS,MY FAMILY and anything that threatens it is my enemy and I will fight to destroy it

  • Mikey420

    Us patriot one what the site?

  • Seymour Kleerly

    Most Jews vote Democrat (70% approx.). The main reason is that Hitler and the Nazis were Right Wing! Just like our Arayan Broherhood,  the Neo Nazis, and KKK..

    • Evermyrtle

      @Seymour Kleerly You don’t approve them voting for the Democraps??? I thought that was your party or is the  wild and wooly Rightwings?

      • Seymour Kleerly

        @Evermyrtle How did you deduce that? I’m happy they vote Dem.!

  • spyderdalton
    • spyderdalton

      A great commentary by Ted Nugent…  Graduated from Logic University….

  • Evermyrtle

    The liberals is not particular about how they stop us, any lie, any  false accusation will do. Truth has nothing to do with their fight against FATHER GOD,HIS SON or the country.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    VICKI, THEIR ARE PEOPLE DOING THE DIRTY WORK  FOR YOU,  have you heard of the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, well their are 41 million and growing.,so why don’t you join with us, join the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, and we are doing the work now, and you can help us, or you can sit on the side lines, like many, many others, that are willing to sit on the side lines and complain about what we are not doing, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    spyderdalton, OBAMA’S  DEMOCRATIC PARTY, and counter parts, have baught the news media, first they TOOK glen beck OFF OF  fox news, now they are telling FOX NEWS WHAT THEY WILL NOT REPORT, what happened in benguisy, libea,   4 OF OUR AMERICANS got murdered, AND their BLOOD IS ON OBAMA’S HANDS, if you want to hear about the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, join with us, AND WATCH FOX NEWS. OR GO TO FOX NEWS .COM thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • spyderdalton

      @LARRY NIEMAN I’ve been with the tea party since day one… Still uaven’t heard much about your efforts but tahnk you for your work trying to save this country from the low lifes…

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    DAVEMELL, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, i am LARRY NIEMAN, i am a navy vet. a FREE MASON, a TEA PARTY MOVEMENT MEMBER, and ”WE THE PEOPLE ” are right now going through proper steps to have OBAMA , IMPEACHED or ARESTED and thrown in prison, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, , so please join with us, my e-mail    [email protected], thank you AND GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.   LARRY NIEMAN

  • Dorris

    Obama is a walking dead man that is pushing his luck.His EGO won’t except that  WE THE PEOPLE ARE HIS BOSSES.HE DAMM WELL BETER START EXCEPIING THAT SAUDI ‘s ARE HIS BOSS . So GO HOME TO THEM.
     
    SO DON”T BE THREATENING US WITH YOU MUSLIM BROTHER HOOD.
     
    YOUR TATIC ARE NOT WORKING IN YOUR FAVOR.So SEND YOU MUSLIM BROTHERS AND YOUR HOMOSEXUAL LOVERS AND LET THEM KNOW YOU ARE NOT WORTH THEM LOSING THEIR LIVES OVER.
     
    Some one please make sure Baracks gets this message.

    • Rae60

      @Dorris
      @Dorris.  I don’t agree with threatening Pres. Obama, calling him a walking dead man.  Romans 13 says that God puts those in authority where they are.  Liberals in this country have been trying to get God out of everything for some time.  Like the gentleman that he is, I think he is letting us experience what it would be like without him.  The Israelites begged for a king, and God relented, and they suffered under their kings, depending on the relationship the king had with God.  Unfortunately the majority of the people in this country voted for a king!!!  Just mind boggling, but I still believe God has control.  For all we know, it’s just time to wrap things up.  With Obama in power, I can see some of the end time predictions in the Bible coming to pass. Who better to get the ball rolling than a king who has no regard for the life of the most innocent among us, who will do anything for power and control over others.   Why the majority of the people wanted  someone so power hungry in the most powerful office in the land is a mystery to me!!!!!

      • http://whenthefatmamspeaks.com/ gary jones

        @Rae60  @Dorris Rae60, Obama is irresponsible when he lets his ego place his children endanger for his stupidity. Think about some idiot trying to shoot him and hitting one o his daughters. I see him as a walking dead man he has caused many people to hate him for his treasonous acts  to the people and the country…Obama a stupid father not protecting his children So who would believe he has your best interest or your children.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    DORRIS, you are right on the money, this OBAMA, is a lying MUSLIM, obama does not qualify for the president of OUR UNITED STATES, he was born in KENYA E AFRICA, and then his mother that lived in hiwaii, took him to HIWAII and got a CERTIFICATE of LIVE BIRTH, OBAMA’S father was from KENYA, not an AMERICAN CITIZEN,  so the time OBAMA has spent in OUR WHITE HOUSE is NULL and VOID, and ALL of this is comming to a head , 1 minute AFTER he takes the OATH of PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES, later this month, WATCH FOR IT, LARRY NIEMAN

    • braveheart 1

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       I sure hope you are right. The weasel should be in Gitmo with the rest of the terrorists!!!!!

  • BernieS

    Obummer is one big son-of-a-bitch__ liar, muslim coward, a piece of worthless  sh__. The LIBERALS and who ever voted for him must not be AMERICAN people but either muslims, fools or just low class people who really believed  the bullsh__ he threw at them.  Where or where is our seal team 6??????

    • spyderdalton

      @BernieS 20 of them are dead because Obama leaked classified information and their chopper was shot down..

      • BernieS

        @spyderdalton  @BernieS
         Sorry about that, I completely forgot about that situation.. Maybe there’s another GOOD group to take their place.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    highway283, I am working with the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, and you do not hear about that, because the news media’s are under attact by OBAMA and his counterparts, so if they report about things LIKE THE FOUR AMERICANS that lost their lives in BENGUISY, LIBEA, then they are in big trouble, SEE, we are already under a DICTATORSHIP, and OBAMA is the DICTATOR, but you can join with us and fight with us, thank you AND GOD BLESS YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

  • MrLucky

    I won’t have to leave, the government will drum people like you out of the country because they know you’re tooooo stupid to look after your own interest! The people all ask God for help but is toooo stupid to help themselves! The government will be coming for you soon, very soon! Your little pop guns won’t help you either! They will squash your few friends like a bug!

    • kid721952

      @MrLucky
       people like you need to be POPED FIRST,mr.unlucky and we will see about the government coming for us,drones can be brought down,government troops can be killed,they are flesh and blood and we have numbers on our side and something to fight for,FREEDOM,which you obviously don’t believe in,hopefully I’ll be able to find your FIRST

    • oldgreyandugly

      @MrLucky
       Let’s say you are right, after we are gone,  idiots like you will be slaves to the government.
      So, let’s get your a$$ kissing smile ready for your kill the people government.  They will round guys like you up with cattle prods and treat you like the idiot you really are.

    • http://whenthefatmamspeaks.com/ gary jones

      @MrLucky I’m an oath keeper from 1969 and practice my marksmanship every chance I get. Obama will use NATO troops and they have no chance, Fact: We are the most feared country in the world because we are the most well armed Militia / Citizen military in the world. That’s why no other country has ever invaded our country. MrLucky, the people like you that bow to a tyrannical government or this little traitor Obama will disarm and be very easy to recognize. Dead like Citizens without guns in high crime and no gun zones. I have also been a law officer and in 98% of all calls for help we arrived  after the fact. If you can’t read the infringement on your rights your as blind as a bat.  A few friends that’s a stupid comment on your part considering sales of guns and ammo shelves are bare. I own re-loaders and have updated my weapons as new types come on the market may be try comparing me to law abiding citizen (GEEK) buying the newest computer.. The 2nd Amendment protects the rest of your inherent rights and your country from tyrannical governments just like our military has been doing for 10 years on foreign soil and I’m sure they’ll do it on home soil.. Ask yourself a question would you obey an order from Obama to fire on your family.

  • MrLucky

    L O L

  • knussel

    The people who “blindly” voted for this Muslim Plant deserves what is coming,Islam and Sharia law,enjoy

    • maryatlanta

      Most people have no idea about Sharia’h law. It is against almost everything in our Bill of Rights and our Constitution.

      • kid721952

        @maryatlanta
         Sharia law is a womans nightmare,she will have NO RIGHTS,no job,no driving rights,if you dishonor the family,according to the man of the house,you will be killed,no pre-marital sex or you will be killed or imprisoned(both you and the man) the womans existence will be to be a slave to the man and bear only male children to further the cause,you shall not talk to a strange man without male relations being present, in all WOMEN WILL BE SLAVES TO MEN

  • texaselect

    The mere fact that Liberals are using a LIE to further their Disarmament Cause is pathetic. First of all the supposed weapon used at Sandy Hook was “the Bushmaster AR15″ when in Fact it was found in the trunk of the DEAD MANS Car. He used two Hand Guns. Yet they attack owners of AR 15 and similar weapons and attempt to “make us feel shame” etc.
    Method “Crisis Actors” are known to have been paid to act out roles of bereaved parents and so on. The guile of the people behind this farce is beyond imagination. A presidential signing order cannot be used to disarm American Gun Owners, Period. Enough of the signing order “laws” made to evade the truth and to go around the Congress and the People of our country. This has to stop. Our president is not our King or Dictator in Chief. He must be held accountable for his illegal activity in Libya, arming Terrorists in Egypt and Syria, and for his refusal to admit his antics regarding Fast and Furious sending Weapons to Mexican Cartels in Mexico.   Attacks on the US Constitution are Treason by a man who supposedly swore to defend the constitution.  We the people will not give in to having Our Rights Subjected to His Whims and his cronies desires to be in control of this country.

    • IamnotMIA

      @texaselect The only thing I can add to that is he’s already (how do you say) destroyed part of the 1st Ammendment. That is the freedom of religon. Making Catholic hospitals, charities etc. pay for certain things that are totally against there belief’s. There’s a group of nuns that take care of the homeless. There organization is worldwide, & they have around 50 homeless shelters here in the U.S. Obama is MAKING THE NUN’S PAY for contraceptions, abortions & the morning after pill. They said that if they can’t get an exsemption, they will have to leave the U.S. He otta be ashamed of himself, but he’s not. He’s proud of what he’s doing. Destroying the Constitution & Destroying America.

  • spyderdalton
    • spyderdalton

      You decide…

    • jimmylu

      @spyderdalton Great link, sounds like a gov’t  plot to force gun control. would this regime try something like that? think Fast and furious. the snopes link seems to back it up.

  • spyderdalton
    • spyderdalton

      Sign the petition… Protect your constitutional rights…

  • paulendes

    How could you not see why weapons are given to Egypt? Stop negotiating and looking for excuse, they are AGAINST the US and Israel, too easy. Now get tough and say it like it is.

  • sreynolds

    Yes I can,, and do.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    texaselect, , OBAMA is using everything he can to GET our PROTECTION away from us, so when he declares MARTIAL LAW, he will go to HAWAII for a few months, and he will have the RUSSIONS come here to take all of our weapons away from us, and put all of us CHRISTIANS AND JEWS into consintration camps, SO IT IS TIME ”NOW” TO LOCK AND LOAD, thank you and may GOD BE WITH US , LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN  Plus the fact, we will be paying tax on our 2012 Social Security money for the first time, thanks to the authoritative foreigner presiding in the WH Makes no difference if we cannot buy food, that tax will be paid. I received my notice in the today’s mail. Be prepared.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN  my speller put the wrong in it should have been the unauthoritative not the authoritative

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    celticwaryor, THIS is so true, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT GUNS, this is more things for OBAMA to use to get COMPLETE CONTROL of our protection, OBAMA will install MARTIAL LAW, right after his ”SWEARING IN” but the RUSSIANS will enforce it, so i recomend you ”LOCK AND LOAD,”  get plenty ammo , BE PREPARED. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • kid721952

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       There’s also chinese at our mexican-U.S. border

  • mgharper

    I really couldn’t believe our sick President would have enough nerve
    to help Egypt with F- 16′s and tanks. He is helping to where Israel may
    have to use some atomic power as she is nearly completely surrounded
    by un-Godly, un-Christian people who don’t realize you have to be a Christian
    to enter one of the twelve gates in Heaven. The only credit I can give the President
    is that he is helping us get to the Battle of Armageddon a little sooneer than I thought.

  • LarryChambers

    @celi65, I deeply apologize if I said anything to offend you. But by your comment you did not mention that you yourself had adopted any of these kids, also you gave the impression that  those opposed to abortion should adopt these children . I understand the fact that once children come into this world you cannot send them back. And I do not support any notion that they should not be cared for. Moral principles weigh little as far as being a Christian, God has placed His laws within us so that we know right from wrong to some degree. But as far as the rest of your comment I think we see pretty much eye to eye. Because it is the parents responsibility to provide for their own children. And what I’m saying is that the massive drain and strain we are putting on our society as a whole cannot withstand much more of this irresponsibility. But like I said, “once they come here you can’t send them back.” And who’s to say what any one of them may become oneday? That’s what makes life so precious, we never know what it may produce. Again, I apologize if I have offended you in any way. May our heavenly Father continue to bless you with all goodness, may the love of Christ dwell richly within your beautiful heart and may the comfort of the Holy Spirt fill you and guide you through this troubled life, in Christ’s name I pray and ask these things giving thanks
    to the heavenly Father always for all things, amen.
     
    ONLY GOD IS GOOD
    All that God creates is good
    And man is blessed by the
    Abuncance of its increase
    All that man creates are the
    Problems he cannot solve
     
                                       Larry Chambers 7/10

    • Evermyrtle

      @LarryChambers Good morming ,Pal. I am on your side 100% over this.
       
      I see baby killer defenders using their same old cop outs, “Do you want them to stave to death? It is sort of like this:, several hungry children for which you you have no food, “I don’t think there will be any food for the rest of the month; Let’s kill them because I don’t know when there will be any food.” What is the difference in killing them now, than it was before it was born. A murder is a  murder. The only difference is that you don’t have to look at them before they are born.  My late husband and I kept foster children for years and it always broke our hearts when one was adopted. There are thousands of people across this land, wanting a baby and can’t have , who would love to have that baby they are murdering. These baby murderers are always making such sill excuses and asking us how are we going to adopt.It is nothing more that  a excuse to cover their butts or a cop out!” Don;t ever let that impress you because they are always ready with an excuse. Don’t let the excuses, the cop outs shake you.
       
      We can tell them, that we were dirt poor, too and took care not to get a child started if we could not feed it.
       
      “O, it was an accident!” If we had as many accidents with our cars, as we do in our sex life we would soon be back to horse and buggy.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    wereallscrewed, YOU make perfect scense, i am glad i read your posting, i think you are telling it, the way it is, so keep up the good work, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Dorris

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       No we are NOT, That is what they are installing in people minds, Whit strength comes Wisdom.
      They have been putting this in place for a long time ,But it has not gone unnoticed.
      The only way this can happen if people give up their rights to own a gun, and if that happens that will be the only way they can pursue this action.
      AND I DON”T SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID TO TURN OVER THEIR GUNS. There will be a lot om MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD BLOOD ON THE STREETS,ALONG WITH BARACKS.
      Stop listening to all this woo be me talk.
      JUST REMEMBER we HAVE THE MOST POWERFULL PROTECTION ON OUR SIDE for all of those that believe in GOD.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Dorris  @LARRY NIEMAN I’ll tell you what, the future will tell and I have no hope for the future. But you are right GOD is still in control but give me one reason why HE should help America. For instance, give me one law that has been in favor of GOD’S Word in the last four years, on action in favor of HIS people. He tells us in HIS WORD that this evil was coming. I am convinced that HE has taken HIS protection from  this country because of our vast disobedience. I do believe that HE will protect HIS people. In on place in HIS WORD. Try DANIEL 12: 1-4 AND 8-13John 5:28-29; I Thes 4:13-18.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    spyderdalton, OBAMA is not on our side, OBAMA is the enemy, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    RAY60, YES, it is very evident that we are in the end days. the BIBLE says, no man will know the day or time of his”jesus christ” second comming, BUT for the last 4 years, sinc OBAMA, ”the atheist” has been in power, we have had TERIBLE , STORMS, TORNADOES, VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS, FLOODING, , just look back to the last 4 years, and you will see what GOD has done, HE is telling all of his people to stand up to the evil in OUR WHITE HOUSE, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Good morning, Larryi  hope you do not mind I would like to add a few verses of scripture to what you are saying about the last days.  You are so right!!! All the rampant evils  including the weather patterns and events are listed in the WORD OF GOD. Some of the chapters that this can be found are Isiah 12:1-6, Matthew 20 and 25, Mark 15, Luke 17 an 21, 1Timothy 4, 2 Tim 3:1-8,People who do not know GOD   complain that people have been saying that JESUS is about to return for the last 2,000, which is true, what they do not know is that he Bible’s records of conditions of the last are now very evident as never before
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    • Tom Buttram

      @LARRY NIEMAN Hey Larry: Your Bible quote is off a bit. Jesus said that no man knoweth the hour nor the day, not even the Son of Man. Knoweth is a present tense of the word. “Will know” is future tense and that is what you quoted. We will know by prophecy when Jesus comes and it is at the end of the G. Tribulation, which is seven years after the Covenant of Peace is signed with Israel. See thecomingchrist.org. Tom Buttram

      • Evermyrtle

        @Tom Buttram  @LARRY NIEMAN I have not read any comment which gave any year, month, day or  hour stating when JESUS CHRIST would return. What you can do, to get a good report of when HE is coming, what to look for to determine the time, anyone who can understand what they are reading, information can be found in Daniel  11:33-38;  Matthew 24,13, Luke13:17-37 21:1-37  2 Tim. 3:1-17; 1 Peter 3:7-14. Don’t fail to read these Scriptures, there is boundiful wisdom there. There are many other places in HIS BOOK where you can find information leading  to HIS coming.
         
        It is a bad habit for people who know little about the WORD OF GOD  to put false information where other unlearned persons  can get it and believe lies. So try to be careful Check your scriptures.

        • Tom Buttram

          @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN Let me show you one such comment that you have missed, it is from Rev. 11:13. The Two Witnesses have just been resurrected and it is within the same hour that Jesus comes. Those alive who know scripture will  been looking into the sky for His Return. They will do that because of the verse you have missed. Once we accept the fact that we who remain WILL know when He comes, we can work backwards 1335 days until The Abomination of Desolation, then 1260 days to the time to the signing of the Covenant of Peace with Israel. Once that event happens, all who know and believe scripture will know when Jesus returns.
          Don’t feel bad, I missed that for 50 years, while I have been taught all about the Rapture. Then I read that His coming won’t be any secret either: “BEHOLD, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; AND EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM: AND ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH SHALL WAIL BECAUSE OF HIM. EVEN SO, AMEN. I recently published a book, “THE COMING CHRIST,” and I want you to have a copy. just ask for it: GTS, POB 1118, Independence, MO 64040, or order online: gospeltractsociety.org. When you read, you will learn what the Bible says about the length and time the GREAT TRIBULATION, THE WRATH OF GOD, MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB, THE MILLENNIUM, THE TWO PART JUDGMENT, and the biggest surprise of all–UNDERSTANDING Revelation 20:5. It is the greatest gift of all, to understand finally where all these pieces fit. It is my gift to you, you who seek to know the Truth of God.

        • Evermyrtle

          @Tom Buttram  @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN No I  don’t feel bad at all, the fact is I didn’t miss it.  All of your quotes, as far as I can understand what you mean is correct. They do not in any way, put my scriptures to sleep with a pat on the back. They are the WORD OF GOD. HE is telling us to notice when the time of HIS coming is at hand. We do not throw your work away nor does it mean, that what JESUS CHRIST does not know what HE is talking about. HE is the one that is saying this and HE is the one who is coming.I agree there is a lot in between my scriptures and your scriptures but that does not mean that we will do away with any of  them. I am not trying to make things difficult to understand, I am trying to make simple enough so that  everybody can understand. it. I have worked with people that find understand a little difficult to take it all in and want to help them understand to the point that hey have a great chance of being saved for HIS GLORY.Of course , all they have to do is to accept HIM as THE ONLY SON OF GOD AND THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD INCLUDING EACH OF US.
           
          I have heard what you have said several times in my life. I have been into this study many years. I am not infallible but neither is anybody else

      • BernieS

        @Tom Buttram  @LARRY NIEMAN
         You are so right on Tom regarding the seven years after the peace treaty is signed. And GOD will not touch earth at this point in time, if some of the liberals and the non believers would only read the BIBLE it’s all in there, from begining to the end. It’s the only so called book  that tells the truth about our future.

      • downenray

        @Tom Buttram  Jesus makes clear that there will be NO warning signs that precede His return. Some see frequent signs which they think indicate the time is near.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Tom Buttram Please tell me where to find these scriptures. I can give you dozens where in HIS own words HE tells of the last or the end days. By the end days HIS people assume that means the end days just before HE returns for us. Certainly makes sense to me. I mean these are HIS very words.

        • servant

          @downenray  No warning signs? Try Matt.24; Mark 13; Luke 21:
          Daniel 7-9 and Revelation 1-19 chapters, and find nothing but signs, yet none knows but the Father the day and hour.
          One needs also to look at the Universal Church and its agenda and actions!

        • downenray

          @servant Thanks. Matthew 24 quotes Jesus answering two questions. He mentions a time when His friends must quickly vacate Jerusalem, giving signs they should see. This concerned events dated as 70 A.D. He mentions NO signs to precede His second coming.
           
          Beginning in 24:22, Jesus warns against looking for signs of His return. He compares that time with a lightning strike as being unexpected. Then in verse 36 he speaks again clearly of the fact that His return will be without warning. He wants His people to be ready at all times. 
           
          The church is universal. It always has been. But regardless of the state of the church, Jesus will come when HE and the Father choose. Revelation tells of many things which may transpire prior to the second coming, but I fail to see any warning signs to say that the next day will be THE day. Would Jesus say clearly that His coming back would be a surprise, and then later tell us how we would know when He was coming?

    • RalphZ

      @LARRY NIEMAN Hi, I was wondering if the last four years of terrible weather, storms, tornado’s, hurricanes and floods, could be God giving us time to repent?  Especially since we have kicked him just about out of all public places and our Government with the backing of religious fools, have done their best to force perversion as normal onto America.  Remember the warning that homosexuality is one of the perversions that will cause the destruction of a nation/kingdom?  Judgment will soon start and it will be to our shame.  Have a good day.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    wereallscrewed, I AGREE 100%, you hit the nail on the head, OBAMA will not kill ”HIS BROTHER”. thank you for bringing that up, LARRY NIEMAN

  • allamerican

    Sounds like another Army needs to arrise.  Sounds like the sons fo the confederacy have to rise up again and lets hope the world financial bankers dont finance our own military against us!  They dont teach history and they never give out the truth.  They never tell you why Paul Rever was yelling the British are coming because there government was going to take away there guns so the people who not have a fighting chance.  Well, its time to arise and to take back what is our Constituiton and to clean house

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, GOOD MORNING, i was just listening to OBAMA lying to the AMERICAN public, YES, what we are talking about, about RELIGEON and WEATHER, i was listening to a CHURCH SERMON on T.V. and they were explaining the things that had happened in the past 4 yre, that OBAMA ”ATHEIST” in OUR WHITE HOUSE, and how and when these DEVISTATING things happened, thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • oldgreyandugly

      @LARRY NIEMAN
       Hi Larry, I was also watching it for a few moments and when the lies started, I turned on the Cartoon Network as I get a lot more out of that then I get from watching hm.
      It’s at entertaining and sometimes informative.  It’s a great distraction.

      • braveheart 1

        @oldgreyandugly  @LARRY NIEMAN
         Me too…. I watched the weather channel. At least they tell the truth half the time!!!!!!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN

  • RalphZ

    Why not go out and buy a gun and when they do come to confiscate it, give them each bullet in two pieces, the lead first and then the copper.  After that they can have the gun when I run out of ammo.  This is why the Second Amendment exists.  It is to allow the people to defend themselves from the Tyranny of government.  The second amendment does not limit your purchases nor the type of firearm you are allowed to own.  These are infringements made by the Government and no where does the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights give them the right to do this.  But, hey, who cares?  We whine but do nothing, so it must be right.

    • kid721952

      @RalphZ
       The time will come,THE RIGHT TIME,at this moment people are arming themselves for a show down but relieving a little tension on this and other sites NOW,organize your groups,get your supplies together,food,water,medical supplies,weapons,ammo,knives,anything to fight with,it will take the combined effort OF ALL OF US TO DEFEAT THIS SOCIALIST,if you want your FREEDOM YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT,these troops are flesh and blood just like you and me,they can DIE just like you and me,their insentive is control and power over you and me,MY insentive is FREEDOM FOR MYSELF,MY FAMILY AND MY LOVED ONES

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ When I know  or think, they are coming I will throw all of mine, that I cannot use in the river.

    • Evermyrtle

      @RalphZ I bet we will move when they appear at our doors.

      • RalphZ

        @Evermyrtle Hi.  I probably will move after I practice the gun control I was taught.  That is putting the bullet on target.  I can take down a deer at 300 yards using iron sites, not a scope.  My uncles believed that if you owned a rifle and couldn’t take down your target at 300 yards without a scope, then you should not be allowed to keep it.  They were hard teachers and made me buy a bullet to replace the bullet I wasted when I missed the target.  Hope you have a good day.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ The one bullet, reminded of Barney with the one bullet in his pock but none in his gun in Andy Griffith show.
           
          Of course I have never had your kind of gun experience, what little I have done was short distance target  like 25 yards. I agree if you do not know how to handle it well, you do not need to have one I keep one solely for protection and I will not give it up. I admire your ability, my son loves his guns and takes good care of them. I do not have one that does not need cleaning.

  • CarlStevenson

    History shows that tyrants always employ thugs, barbarians, and psychopaths. They are more willing and easily persuaded to commit the tyrant’s atrocities than normal people.
    I’m being forced by their actions, arrogance, and outright lawlessness to believe that the usurpers, tyrants, and thrashers of our Constitution won’t get it until we show them in no uncertain terms what the Founders had in mind when they crafted the 2nd Amendment.
    “When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty” – Thomas Jefferson
    We no longer have the model of government that the Founders established. The communist globalists that have taken over our government ignore the Constitution’s limits on what government can do. 95% or more of the federal bureaucracy and its “regulations” are unconstitutional. Most of the federal laws are unconstitutional. The problem is that the traitors have infiltrated all 3 branches, executive, legislative, and judicial.

    • WereAllScrewed

      @CarlStevenson Brace yourselves for the coming executive orders that this NARCISSIST  PRESIDENT will issue.  Everyone needs to scream from the rooftops for his IMPEACHMENT when he does it, since it will be a violation of his OATH of OFFICE to uphold and Protect the Constitution.
       
      Start calling your Senators today about it.  Especially the Democrates that are  your Representatives.  If he thinks he can USURP our 2nd Amendment rights by Executive Order he better guess again.

      • kid721952

        @WereAllScrewed  @CarlStevenson
         A congressman in Texas has threatened obama with impeachment if he tries to push gun control thru with executive order

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    ralph z you’v got the right idea, and the wright to do just that, IF THEY WANT MY GUN , THEY WILL TAKE IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND, i am a NAVY, VET, and i do not back up, OBAMA is the biggest FRAUD to ever hit this country, i am also A TEA PARTY PATRIOT, and we are working , to have this NUT CASE, thrown out of office, and HOPEFULLY thrown int PRISON, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN That sounds like me talking, I will stand by what I believe, what GOD teaches.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN  Are you talking about solitary confinement? Nothing else is good enough for him. I can’t imagine what they will do when they read all of my emails, boil me in oil???. GOD BLESS YOU. MK Linder.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, that’s OK, i can’t SPELL ”either  GOOD evening MYRTLE, GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    BURNIE S , YES, the HOLY BIBLE, i call it the BOOK OF TRUTH, and i talk to ATHEIST about the HOLY BIBLE and they CONTRADICT me, and i tell them, UNTIL, they are SAVED, AND BAPTISED, AND  RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR, they will not understand the language in the BOOK OF TRUTH, the HOLY BIBLE, thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA, LARRY NIEMAN

  • maryatlanta

    It is questionable when the POTUS, Obama arms the Muslim Brotherhood and prosecutes AZ for protecting the  US border and enforcing immigration laws. Obama does not have the welfare of the American people  at heart but is compelled to enable the Muslim Brotherhood (with links to Al Qaeda).

    • LarryChambers

      @maryatlanta The more I look at the whole of everything that’s being done, I came to the conclusion that O is not working alone. There is someone or a large group of individuals  working behind the scenes. I’ve read article on top of article and I get the same answer. This is all a preconceived plan that started years ago. O is a tool or a plant. Think of the intel he would have to seduce. The FBI, SS and the CIA. What or who is it rhese guys don’t know? Not mention the IRS.
      Do you really believe anything goes on concerning America that they wouldn’t know? I don’t think so.
      So what’s the real deal with his birth certificate that these guys couldn’t find out? They know. Almost all the politicians know.

      • kid721952

        @LarryChambers  @maryatlanta
         The coalition of foreign relations,the bildeburgers,rothchilds,rockefellers,illuminate are behind the grooming of obama plus a little help from george soros who was a financer for the nazi

        • LarryChambers

          @kid721952  @maryatlanta Thanks a lot Kid. I think to they want to throw us into a frenzy so we cut eachothers throats and so we won’t know where the enemy is playing from. Better yet, confusion. And if we aren’t watchful we will fall for the trap. They are going to find out that they are not as smart as they think they are. Whenever evil overpowers men . It happens in some fashion, in some way that it finds itself overpowerd. No singular entity will ever rule the entire earth, that belongs to God.

        • Evermyrtle

          @kid721952  @LarryChambers  @maryatlanta You are right and this thing has been going on at least 200 years. Obama is their pigeon perfectly programed to do their work.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  Hey my Christ loving friend!!! How are you? I ve seen some of your posts and I must say you are the warrior. Yeah, I figured O just doesn’t have the mental capacity to pull this off by himself. When you look at the birth certificate fiasco and all the broken promises and the stepping on of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence along with violating his oath of office without reprisal and the complete silence of  the House, Senate and the Congress plus the total silence of all the intel agencies, I just don’t see this guy who is certainly no financial genius and who is the poorest foreign communicator of all time being the guy who could pull this off. You have to ask yourself what kind of individual could pull off something of this magnitude. Over the most dynamic force on the planet, you got by ALL their intel and got the top spot of the entire world unscaved. That’s pill is to big to swallow. So now I’m thinking to not to place so much focus on O. I know he’s doing the do, but, who’s doing it with him? And that my friend is something else we need to know. The more you know about your enemy, the better you can prepare for them. Lets make the right moves in the right way. These people have sources living among us who could very well be our pretentious best friends or relatives. Trusting anyone is on a high scale of values. Now more than ever we are going to have to be selective with our conversation and our dealings with anyone. Make no mistake, you see how fast they are moving to implement their phony laws. I consider the way their passing these EO’s at such a high rate of speed as quick control. Cutting us off before we have a chance to think about it. Each passing day is another nail in the coffin. Lets stay in prayer for all the saints and the nation of Israel. What befalls us may well be divine disciplne. I love you, please be careful. If you leave I pray the Lord take you.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  Hey old Buddy, Your old fighting scrawny Christin friend is hanging in there. Thanks  for caring. GOD BLESS YOU

        • WereAllScrewed

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle BO is a George Soro’s Shill.  Soro’s financed his presidency run.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers When you think about it, how is it possible for a green president  to make all of the anti-GOD, anti-America decisions without making even one good GODLY, American decision? He has run wildly down the road knocking down ever Christian obstacle that he came across without hesitating for a moment. He, I think gets a god laugh after hitting each of the GOD place obstacles. Total evil is ruling America!! I ask all the Christians on here to pray for me because when they get me for all of these Emails, I am a goner, except for GOD’S protection. Truth is very unpopular these days!!! I love you, too, your honest, your devotion to GOD, your Pro America attitude and your love for your fellow man. You are a great person.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle God honors those that honer Him, and I must say Myrtle, I am truly honoerd that you would speak such kind words to me. For you well know that everytime I think of you, something beautiful comes to my mind.
          It is hard for us to understand why the things are happening to our nation. And as much as we don’t like it we must keep in mind that it all is working for God’s purpose. No matter what happens it will serve God. Just in the tribulation when the war of all wars come it will be to serve God. All the armies(Christ’s enemies) will gather in one place and it will be in that place where He will destroy all of them. Keep your eyes on Israel because it is with Israel that will be the indicatintion of the appearing of Christ.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers I do believe, you have hit the nail on the head again, concerning GOD’S plan for HIS people. HE will use each and every word that is spoken or written, as well as every act good or evil to complete HIS purpose for this universe.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle God had a purpose and a plan for the human race race before eternity past. So everthing that takes place is so that His plans will come to fulfillment. But Christ has assured the Church that He will come to take them off the earth before the tribulation takes place, which is a 7 year period that is Israel’s final discipline. We may or may not be seeing those things spoken of throughout scripture taking place. We do not know when Christ will return but we are to proclaim His glory and victories to others and live the life He designed for us until He comes. And that is where we are to learn His mind and thinking which is the word of God. We have to live in this world but we are not to become or participate  in any part of it. And this is where the Church is weakened and seduced by Satan because of the shiny glitter of gold and the pride of life and the lust of the flesh which are all enemies of Christ. I can only stay up ten minutes at a time, I just had foot surgery to remove bone spurs last week. If God wills, I’ll be backin an hour. I can only stay up for one hour at a time. Love you, Larry.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle You know, as a whole, the church has become Satan’s favorite play house. HIS people must separate from this kind of church The time of HIS coming has to be close because I can see little evil that we can add to the world. We almost completed that  goal from 2008 to 2012. I know there are some ministers who think the rapture, as it is known to us today, some believe before the Rapture, some think after the first 31/2 years and others think after the seven years are up. From the evils that I have seen I believe we are in the first 3 1/2 years, now. Of course that is only an opinion. If He does not pick up HIS people in the clouds, before the end, i do not want to live that long, I hope He will just take me home.  I believe we will very soon in a war between the liberals and the conservatives, or between the good and the evil. We will wait and see, I am hoping before the rising of the dead from the grace. By the way there is another big war in the plans, WW III, I don’t think I wan to face that  BY THE GRACE OF GOD I HOPE THE WONDERFUL EVENT BEFORE THAT

        • RalphZ

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers I prefer to believe in the Pre.  I base this on 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and 1 Peter 4:17 KJB.  Those that are left will face the wrath and Judgment of God.  Even my Mom doesn’t like my stand but there it is and I don’t complain about others on this because I believe that on the Gospel we are not given leeway and all others Christ will correct us as he sees fit.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers I will add you to my prayers, even though I am already prying all of my friends who are posting on these sites.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers 
          This subject, I simply do not know except what plain old common sense tells me. I do not see how we can go tot he end and cannot believe that GOD would allow us to do so. The only reason I think maybe at mid  is because the conditions of the world see so ripe for that. I sincerely hope I am wrong and the two of you are correct.

        • JohnnieFay

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle Hi  Larry,  Hope you get better soon. But even a few of your post a day is OK.  GOD Bless you.   I am sure your  explanation & invitation to salvation will and have effected  many many people….

  • servant

    Well is this really news???
    Isaiah 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
    This was God’s words via Isaiah during his 40+ yrs of ministry from 740-697 B.C as per most sources.
     
    http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com  truth in foods for body and spirit.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    maryatlanta, OBAMA IS A MUSLIM, does that answer your question, thank you and GOD BLESS, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, I GET questioned sometimes because i am OUT SPOKEN, but then when they have something to say, and they would rather not say it themselves, then i WILL say it for them, so what do you want me to say for you, THANK YOU LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN What do I want you to say for me?
       
      Tell them to get rid of the big O, Reid, Holder, Pelosi, Powell, Roberts, the other liberal Supreme Courts judges. Maxine, Randal, 90% of the Senate, and 70 % of the Congress, They are a dirty blot on humanity, but not if it will put into trouble. Tell them to leave my Social Security alone, that is not to be shared with a dirty government. I am 100% Christina and 100% American and am 100% Israel.. While you are saying it, I will be saying it, too. Actually, I think I say too much but never learned how to keep my mouth shut.  My daddy used to say that II would speak up if I knew I would get my head knocked off. Out of six I was the one always in trouble with my mouth. I think they found me under a bush, somewhere.
       
      You had better be careful speaking up for people,they will sell you down the creek.  I have had people who were going to back me up when I spoke up  and when ti come “push to shove” they deserted me.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN I love your devotion to out GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO FIGHT FOR THEM, for our country, for the people you without a thought for you own safety if face of all of your work, Keep on with your work and MAY GOD BLESS YOU IN IT AND I HOPE MANY MORE WILL JOIN IN WITH YOUR DEVOTION AND YOUR WORK FOR THESE THINGS. MKLINDER

  • MrLucky

    Oldgrey
    Old big mouths like you will soon die off! Your kids, grandkids, women and lets not forget your neighbors and foreigners are in the government camps now! They will do what they are told! Better take a good look around you! Obama got in for his second term! You know these kids today will get on the winning side! If you weren’t so stupid, you would see that!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @MrLucky If O does as much damage to America and her people in the next four years as in the last four years, I cannot imagine the state we will be in, too horrible to even think about. but we still have GOD and i believe HE will act. The only thing that I can see good is that his stool pigeons will know the truth,at last.

    • kid721952

      @MrLucky
       Problem with people like you mr.unlucky is that you can’t be shot legally for the trash that comes out of your mouth fortunately someone will catch up to you SOON and put you out of your misery,you are all about YOURSELF and there alot of TRUE AMERICANS,unlike yourself,that would disagree with everything you believe

  • MrLucky

    You will see how many will stand behind you when the government starts skinning and hanging your kids and grandkids alive! I will defend myself no matter who my enemy is, and that includes bugs like you!

  • DeaconG

    God Bless Texas and the other States that are making State Laws that will Stop Obama in his tracks on the 2nd Amendment. We in Texas are prepared to fight for our Constitutions US and State, when push comes to shove we will arrest every FED in the state who attempt to enforce an illegal “executive order” from Obama on us.

  • MrLucky

    That’s what the problem is , they don’t hold the government accountable!

  • MrLucky

    The problem with the Bible packers and the American’s in general are the Christians want God to do it all,  but refuse and don’t have the backbone to help themselves or look after their own interests!

    • Evermyrtle

      @MrLucky Do you know something about Christians that I don’t? I have been one all of my life and that does not describe any that I ever knew.

    • LarryChambers

      @MrLucky That is not true. To know the life of a Christian you have to become one. There is no other way to establish a relationship with God nor to know His power. But since you have commented in a negetive manner there is no need to continue in conversation other than to leave you with this. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that you may be saved. He is the Son of the living God who was sent to this world that He may bring the good news from God that if we believe in Him whom He has sent we shall be given eternal life. And He has died for every man women and child to deliver us from the penalty of sin. Which  is eternal death in the lake of fire. This is an introduction to faith in Christ and every one has their own mind to make up because God will not force you to believe. You must settle it in your own mind whether or not you will or will not believe.
      Eternal life if you do take hold of God’s grace, eternal death if you do not. I pray that you will so that you will know for yourself why we choose life over death. Christians are not wooried about what happens to this world, heaven is our home and we are waiting for Christ to come to the clouds and takes us away when He comes.

      • RalphZ

        @LarryChambers  @MrLucky Larry, where did you get this verse?  Was it from Acts 16:31? “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”  Present tense, not “may be saved”, but “shalt be saved”.  Thought you might like to know.  Have a good day.

        • LarryChambers

          @RalphZ  @MrLucky Ralph I thank you for calling that to my attention. But the fact of the mater is, is that I did not refer to scripture was that since his or their reponse was one of negetivity to the word of God  I did not . So in that respect I was hoping for them to accept the saving grace of Christ.
          We can only present the gospel to others through the Holy Spirit as He leads and guides us to do so. You have to understand all Christians do have the ability to use all the verbs and nouns and ternses in their correctness. But it is the Spirit who blesses them with the knowledge and strength and power to proclaim Christ. You do not know how the Holy Spirit will or will not use the information given to this person for thier understanding of what was presented to them. It is through simplcity, peace and genuine humility that we are to present the gospel.

        • LarryChambers

          @RalphZ  @MrLucky  God always gives warning before disciplin.

        • RalphZ

          @LarryChambers  @MrLucky Larry, I agree with you but we should be as accurate as possible.  Salvation is given when a person repents and comes to Christ in faith.  If the Gospel is changed, then we are teaching another Gospel. There is a warning in Galatians 1:6-9 about teaching another Gospel and Christ even told the Jews that changing God’s commandments was equivalent of teaching the commandments of man.  Matthew 15 8-9 KJB.
           
          Just trying to help.  I wouldn’t want anyone to go through correction, as I call it, by the Lord for not being accurate with his Gospel.  Have a good day.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ  It seems odd that the apostle Peter didn’t know when salvation is given. He was asked by seeking sinners what they needed to do. He told them something different from what you say is required. Acts 2:38 does speak of need for repentance by those who believe in Jesus. But to receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, sinners must do more than repent and come to faith. Those who dispute with Peter seem to be “teaching the commandments of men.” It’s good you want to help!

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @LarryChambers  @MrLucky We also have an excellent source of this truth in Revelation 22:18-21.

        • LarryChambers

          @RalphZ  If you are making the point that you must repent to be be saved you are far, far away from the true knowledge of God. Eph 2:8-9 blows away all of that. It states, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (9) not as a result of works, so that no one may boast”. How is it that we can prepare ourselves to accept salvation
          when God does not accept anything from man? This is what you are suggesting and what you saying is a doctrine John the Baptist preached. But John the Baptist was under the Law and the Law came to an end at the death of Christ on the cross. In Galatians 2:19-21, “For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God; (20) I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;and the life I now live in the fleshI live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
          (21) I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
          And lastly, Romans 10 :8-10 “But what does it say?”THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART-”that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,(9)That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
          (10) for with the heart a person believes , resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,resultingin salvation. As you can plainly see not one word is mentioned of repenting. We are under grace, which means God does not peressure us to do anything. We obey God because we love Him. And the same works with His commandments, we obey  them, we honor and glorify Christ freely and wholly because we love our God and we appreciate the unfailing love He has shown us through His beloved Son. This recipricol love motivation. We love Him because He first loved us. We ar targets of God’s personal love. All men are welcome to His unconditional love. But what the Church has with God is the greatest of any believer that ever has and ever will live. This is the best of all time of human history and so many are losing out on the most priveledged of all time. You really need to learn the difference between the Church and the Law or you may be walking down a long road for nothing, never having. really accepted the grace of God.

        • RalphZ

          @downenray Repentance is not only a change of mind but in some ways is like faith.  It will cause a person to do acts to undo the wrong they have done against others, if it is true repentance.  I point to Ezekiel 33:14-15, this is why even John the Baptist told the Pharisees to bring forth works worthy of repentance.  Also in 2 Peter 3:9 he is talking about repentance.  Also we have an example of the Holy Spirit baptizing believers before water baptism, Acts 10:44-48.  Forgiveness of sin?  (Ephesians 1:7; “I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name;s sake.” 1 John 2:12; “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:” Colossians 1:14 KJB)  When Jesus and others stated that Eternal life was given, it was always in the present tense. the best known verse is John 3:16.  I don’t teach what man teaches, and my friend at work is appalled that I do not have a favorite preacher or teacher that I follow.  I follow Christ and to tell the Honest Truth, I don’t care a rats rear, please excuse my bad language, what they say until I compare what God’s Holy word says and to me it is the KJB.
           
          Have a good day and remember to smile.  A small one on the lips makes people wonder if you just heard a joke or what you are up to.

        • RalphZ

          @LarryChambers Repentance cannot save you in and of itself.  Read what I replied to Downenray.  Why would anyone come to Jesus unless they first came to the realization that they were sinners and in need of Salvation.  Repentance is the first step but it is caused by this conviction of the Holy Spirit.  The repentance causes works in and of itself, not towards salvation. It is like Faith, in James we read that faith produces works, not works produces faith.  These two terms cause a person to act in accordance to the definition of both and produce the appropriate works.  I think you and I have had this discussion before.  I haven’t changed any.  I also do not follow the Law for salvation.  “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4 (Romans 9:31-33 KJB) Have a good day.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  My, how blessed Peter would have been if he had known all you know, Larry. The apostle, who was promised he would be led into all truth, thought that sinners MUST repent and be baptized in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and salvation (Acts 2:37,38). If Peter had known all some of our preachers and scholars today know, he’d surely have never promised salvation and the gift of the Spirit based on repenting and being baptized as Jesus commanded was to be done.
           
          Now it should be noted that Peter well knew the law and he also knew the gospel. It’s GOSPEL truth that sinners must, in order to be saved, obey the gospel by repenting and being baptized. Jesus promises that those who believe the gospel and ARE baptized will be saved. In speaking of the need of faith, never once is it promised that salvation is by faith ALONE, as so many today suppose should have been said. It’s only in the book of Acts that we read of conversions to the gospel. In each case, the convert was immediately baptized. That was apostolic practice. James points out that faith alone is dead rather than saving a sinner. 
           
          Obama wants to change this nation. How do you like the changes he’s introduced? I don’t like them at all.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ  Good for you, Ralph. Repentance is indeed essential for salvation. That’s what the apostles taught and practiced, that sinners needed to turn from sin to make Jesus their Lord. Faith alone is of absolutely no help in saving from sin, as James makes clear. Many passages call for sinners to believe the gospel in order to be saved. And all the examples of sinners being saved show that not only repentance needed to be added to their faith in Jesus but also the baptism WHICH HE HAD COMMANDED. Acts 2:38 is the apostolic answer to the question of what sinners need to do to be saved. It’s amazing that so many nowadays ignore what the Bible teaches and promise salvation based on faith alone.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ You speak of the experience of Cornelius by saying, “we have an example of the Holy Spirit baptizing believers.” But Luke in recounting the experience certainly does not say that the Spirit baptized anyone. We have no record anywhere in the Bible of the Holy Spirit ever baptizing anyone! John the Baptist prophesied that JESUS would baptize with His Spirit. And in Acts 2 we read of JESUS baptizing with His Spirit. But the only baptism spoken of in the Cornelius experience was when the converts were baptized into Christ in water as Jesus had commanded was to be done. Why did you think the Spirit did any baptizing? Look again at the text and you may notice that the only “sign” Peter saw was these Gentiles speaking in other languages as the apostles had on Pentecost. There’s no mention of trumpet sounds or flame-like appearances as were seen upon the apostles in chapter two. 
           
          So why would you call that a baptism by the Holy Spirit? Did Luke call it that? Neither there or in chapter two did Luke speak of a baptism by the Holy Spirit. The only verse in the Bible which speaks of a baptism by the Holy Spirit is a wrong translation of 1 Corinthians 12:13. There some translators said the baptisms were BY the Spirit, and in no other Bible verse is there ever any mention of a baptism by the Holy Spirit of God. That’s what my latest book is about, available on amazon.com, “Should Any Christian Ever Be Baptized?” I point out the truth that baptism is commanded by Jesus to be performed by humans. And it IS commanded. By Jesus. And overlooked by those who believe in salvation by faith alone.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ  I hope you read the rest of the story. The same hour of the night, these new believers were baptized. Many suppose that faith alone saves, but the Bible nowhere adds an “only” or “alone” to statements of salvation by faith. James points out how valuable faith alone is. It does not save. It does not change anything except the mind of the new believer.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @RalphZ I must as a friend,who loves you,  disagree with you Larry. Repentance is necessary.
           
          Matt. 3:1-2
          1. In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judea.
          2. And saying, ” Repent ye,for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
           
          Mark 1:15 “And saying, The time is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
           
          Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins,and ye shall receive the gift of the HOLY GHOST.
           
          Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,when the times of refreshing shall come from the
          presence of the LORD.
           
          Rev2:16  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth
           
          Rev. 3:19. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  You might seem to believe that repentance and baptism are works of “the law.” You teach that salvation in Jesus comes by faith alone. But Jesus commands that believers MUST be baptized. Some of us see that anyone who believes in Jesus is to be baptized immediately upon learning of the Lord Jesus. That’s what Jesus says is to be done. And in Acts chapter two we read the first gospel sermon ever preached and how sinners were told they needed to respond to learning of the risen Lord. Acts 2:38. The one who seeks salvation is to turn to Jesus as Lord (turning away from self-will and selfishness) and be baptized as Jesus commanded. THEN follow washing away sin and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

        • LarryChambers

          @RalphZ Yes we have had this conversation before. And I stand by the grace of God. In John 15:5 Christ plainly states that apart from Him you can do nothing. It is God at work in us to do His will. All grace requires is that you believe, God will with your volition do the rest. If you try to do it on your own it is unacceptable to God. God is perfect, we are not. So how are you going to take something( your repentance) and present it to God when He says that our righteousness is but filthy rags. If you repent without God having anything to do with it, is it right before God, when all He accepts is His own righteousness. No matter what you wrote to who it does not line up with the word of God therefore it is worthless.

        • RalphZ

          @downenray I did not state it is “essential” for salvation, but is part of coming to Salvation. It results in the conviction that they are sinners.  As for Acts 2:38, the word “for”, if you will get an unabridged dictionary and look it up for the 1600 definition, you will find it means the same as the greek word it was translated from.  “Because of” and/or “As a result of”.  Then you also have Mark 16:16 that shows it is not anything combined with faith but if you don’t have faith, you are damned. You see, the Bible teaches us that Baptism is an act of obedience, and does not save you. (1 Peter 3:21 KJB).  If you are trying to use works as part of your salvation, then you are saying by your actions, that you believe the work of Christ on the Cross with his resurrection is not complete and must be added to.  This does go against Ephesians 2:8&9 as well as Romans 11:6 where it shows that grace and works are two opposites.  You can do nothing in works to save you or you would be able to brag to God how well you did this or that.  We have nothing to brag to God about for we are filthy sinners that he Loves and made a way for us to be with him.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ  You say, “Repentance is the first step but it is caused by this conviction of the Holy Spirit.” Where did you learn that repentance is done TO us by the Holy Spirit? What Peter calls for is for seeking sinners to themselves REPENT (not pray to the Spirit to cause them to repent, or to wait until the Spirit leads them to repent) and be baptized. We are free moral agents. We can repent if we choose to do so. Repenting is not done TO us but BY us.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  The grace of God has nothing to do with your promising salvation based on faith alone. That’s entirely your own responsibility. God never says any such thing. Just the opposite. Sinners are told by the apostles that they must repent and be baptized in order to receive God’s gift of His Spirit and salvation. That is NOT what you are teaching.

        • Evermyrtle

          @RalphZ  @LarryChambers You are right, it is sort of like “part of the package”, there is more to it than faith, even though faith is the first and  foremost part of it.  Satan has no doubt that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD AND SAVIOR but that will not save him. He must accept HIM and obey HIM which repenting is part of the plan.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ You read 1 Peter 3:21 and say it means exactly the opposite of what it says. What a pity. As for Acts 2:38 and the “for” there or in any usage, it may mean because of, as you say, or it may mean in order to, as it plainly does in that passage. Peter is answering the question, “What should we DO?” They knew they had a need. You would have had Peter tell them they were saved because they wanted to be and had heard the gospel and apparently believed it. But Peter spoke for Jesus and told them what sinners have to do to be saved.

        • RalphZ

          @downenray But the Baptism is only given to those that believe.  Where do we find this taught?  Acts 8:36-38 KJB. Again we find that Baptism is an act of obedience in 1 Peter 3:21 and does not save you. Faith alone saves.  The journey there is when it becomes the only path to salvation for the religious paths and paths of the world will show that they are the false ones and that Christ is the Only Way, Truth, and Life as well as the Only Way to the Father..  I hope I’ve explained it simply.  If you don’t understand something I said, ask, but if you just disagree, we will agree to disagree and I will continue with my Faith.

        • LarryChambers

          @downenray You are confusing yourself. Fisrt find out what was the Law. Second, find out what rpentance means. Third, Find out what is the meaning of baptisim. Fourth, What is going on in the book of Acts at that particular time. Fifth, Learn who the Holy Spirit is and how does He work in the believers life. And another thing becareful to take notice of who Christ was talking to and what was He refering to at that particular time. Sometimes some things are only meant for Israel and at others they have future references concerning the Church. Despensations are very key to understanding Bible doctrine in the Old and the New Testament. You have to remember That in Acts two the Church was just getting started. As time moved forward things changed within the Church not the Church itself. Man will confuse you especially if they know you are a fairly new convert. But Satan doesn’t care if you are young or old he springs the lie. Becareful where you acquire your info, there is a lot of false doctrine out there. Pray and I’ll pray for you that you will find a good pastor-teacher so you can learn in Spirit and truth. God bless you.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  We are commissioned to carry the good news about Jesus everywhere we go in the world. The book of Acts tells of how this was done by the apostles, whose example we do well to follow.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ Of course it’s only believers who are to repent and be baptized and receive the gift of God. But Peter clearly does say that baptism saves and you say he says the opposite. Peter hadn’t changed his mind when he much later wrote 1 Peter. He still knew that sinners who sought salvation needed to believe in Jesus, repent of sin and toward Jesus as Lord, and be baptized in order to have sins taken away and in order to receive God’s gift of His Spirit. I surely can’t agree with your false teaching. I surely do agree with the Scriptures you quote, even when you state that they teach the opposite of what they in fact do teach.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers The Law is found in God’s book of Leviticus. I well know what repentance means and baptism and I know that Luke is recording what Jesus was having HIS apostles, trained and empowered by Him, to teach and do. I’ve been a Christian and a Bible student and teacher at least as long as you have, I’m sure. Thanks for suggesting I know little and need to learn much. I’ve guessed that you think you know a great deal and are never wrong. Oddly, I feel the same way myself sometimes. On conversion to Christ, I’m positive that I know how the apostles did it and therefore how WE should win sinners to Christ and help them live for Him. I am not confusing myself. I’m not confused. I’m sorry you think I’m confused!

        • RalphZ

          @downenray I did not say repentance was done to us, but we came to repentance by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. John 16:7-11.  Also the Law convicts us in showing us that we are sinners. (Galatians 3:24).  None of us are perfect (Romans 3:23 KJB).  Yes we can say we are “sorry” for our sins, but would you say the person is serious about their repentance when it does nothing and the persons actions show that they aren’t changing? and when they say they accept Christ as Saviour and there is no change in their life, was it real? Or is the “repentance” serious and meant when there is a change in the person’s actions and when they accept Christ as Saviour, there is more change in their life?  James says, “Yes, a man amy say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew they my faith by my works.” James 2:18.  Faith produces works but one who claims faith and their faith produces no works, it is dead and does nothing for them.  Think about it.

        • LarryChambers

          @downenray I gave an invitation to grace to one individual this morning and it has gotten blown completely out of proportion from it’s true simplcity. You people that are in disagreement with me,I ask you this and if  you can produce the evidence I will stand corrected. The Apostle Paul who was chosen by Christ as administrator over the Church. Find one verse, where he says you must repent before receiving salvation. He wrote part of Acts and  13 epistles. Surely he would have made some reference to what you are saying.

        • RalphZ

          @downenray State the verse and then tell me where I’ve read into it or taken it out of context.  I take most verses simply as they stand and at their meaning.  Every time you have something and faith saves you also have it state that without faith you are damned. Why would the “wrath of God” be on a person?  A simple one verse answer is all that is required.  And why is a person “Damned” even if they are baptized?  Again one verse is the answer.  Think about it.

        • downenray

          @RalphZ You say you didn’t say what you did say and then you repeat it. If we come to faith by conviction of the Holy Spirit, it’s done TO us by the Holy Spirit. But Peter didn’t call for the seekers to let the Spirit convict them, he called for the sinners to repent. Repenting is done by a person, not TO the person by the Holy Spirit. That’s what I pointed out and you don’t seem to understand. You suggest that faith produces works. I see that faith does not produce works, for faith is internal, simply what we think. Seekers are told they need to repent and be baptized. And then live for Jesus. We act because we believe, but the acting is not produced by faith alone. 
           
          So I have to disagree that faith necessarily produces works. That’s not what James is saying in the one verse in apostolic writing which speaks of faith alone. I have thought about it, and I’m sure that faith does not produce anything at all. James points out that until it’s joined by action faith is dead. You are right that it we believe in Jesus as Lord we’re sure to realize that we should OBEY Him. And Peter explains how we obey Him to become one who belongs to Him. It’s by repenting of sin and being baptized. If faith produced works, then everyone who believed would then work for Jesus. But not everyone who believes that Jesus is Lord does anything toward obeying Him. Some, taught that faith alone saves, just believe and that’s it. No works. And no salvation. Peter calls for us who believe to ADD TO our faith. He doesn’t say the Spirit will add. He says WE who believe should add.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers You seem to not be familiar with what Jesus asks us to do to create Christians. The great commission isn’t that we are to “give an invitation to grace,” but to tell about JESUS. The apostle Paul, by the way, was not chosen by Christ “as administrator over the church.” Nor did he write any of the book of Acts. Jesus appointed His apostles (12 of them and then Paul as the 13th) as his representatives on earth. The apostles all derived their authority from Jesus, who is Lord over all. Paul was one of the apostles. So was John. So was Matthew. So was Peter, and Peter was the first one featured in Luke’s history of the church of Christ. 
           
          If you dare to ignore what Peter said, you have the right to do so, but it wouldn’t be in any sense wise to do so. Acts 2:38 spells out clearly what steps a sinner must take who seeks salvation in Jesus Christ. Paul of course agrees that it’s baptism which brings a sinner INTO Christ (Galatians 3:26,27 and many other verses). But it’s made clear by any one verse which addresses the question and answers it as an apostle. No apostle ever promises salvation based on faith alone. Salvation, according to Jesus, requires a new birth of water and spirit. Peter defines that new birth as including repenting and being baptized. Paul doesn’t disagree. Paul speaks to the need of repentance in many verses by pointing out the need for a changed life. That’s more than “some reference.”

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @RalphZ Dear, dear Larry the meaning of repentance:sorrow for doing wrong; regret; contrition. I know beyond a shadow of doubt  that you are sorry, you regret for any wrong that you do You ask GOD’S forgiveness. It is that easy. Don’ let anybody fool you by any ideas that are against HIS WILL. Look repentance up in a dictionary for proof. If I am not telling you the truth., you call tell me how ignorant I am. If nothing else,please check it out.

        • RalphZ

          @LarryChambers  @downenray Larry, sorry to interrupt and stick my nose where it does not belong.  Before I disappear, does this meet your requirement? “And the times of this ignorance God winked at: but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men in that he hath raised him from the dead.” Acts 17:30-31.  As I’ve said, repentance is an action bun in and of itself, it cannot save a person.  Only by placing their faith in Christ can they be saved.  Otherwise Ephesians 2:8-9 is a lie along with about a half dozen verses in the New Testament.  Have a good day.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @RalphZ Please, don’t be hurt that I told what I know you should discover. We all learn at one point or another and a little at a  time. We continue to learn as long as we live. The learning process continues right on. Your Friend, Myrtle

        • downenray

          @RalphZ  You say that Ephesians 2:8,9 promises salvation based on faith alone. But YOU are the one who puts the “alone” in the verse. What Paul says is that in order to be saved a person must have faith. That is an obvious truth. It in no way contradicts the examples we find in the book of Acts when people actually were won to Christ.
           
          Acts 2:38 is key to understanding Ephesians 2:8,9. We are not saved by faith ALONE. We have sins remitted and we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as a result of having believed in Jesus as Lord and then turning to Him as OUR Lord and being baptized as He commanded was to be done. It’s THEN that we are saved, and not before. 
           
          I repeat that no verse in apostolic writing ever promises salvation based ONLY on faith in Jesus, as is taught by believers in salvation by faith alone.  What does this fact have to do with the order from on high that our armed forces personnel must not speak the truth where it would be heard by ones who don’t believe the truth? It’s important to believe and act upon TRUTH, whether in speaking of political facts or religious facts.

        • servant

          @downenray  @RalphZ  True enough, we do the repenting, BUT the urge to, and the knowledge to require it comes from God!
          2Timothy 2:25 and 2 Peter 3:9 show this + Acts 5:31, 11:18, Romans 11:29 add to it.
          Great posts and discussions, thanks jb

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  • WereAllScrewed

    Light em UP….. Call your Senators and Representatives at Washington today and take the Switch board down!  Let them know u want BO Impeached if he uses EO.

    • LarryChambers

      @WereAllScrewed Trust me my friend, they already know. But just like everything  else they have not and will not do anything about anything concerning O. Why would they? It ‘s just like  them telling on themselves They don’t want to be exposed because they are going to want you to vote for them again.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @WereAllScrewed Yes, they know how we feel, they know what we expect, they don’t care. They  will sweet talk us, make promises, and do exactly as they please. My Congressman is in the top 1% in voting liberal. He is known for his liberal voting, he claims to be a Christian and his claim is all of the Christian acts that he  performs. We all know that will not save him, for GOD’S kingdom. He has been in the Congress many, many years, he has too many liberal friends to be defeated.Does the name James Clyburn ring a bell???

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @WereAllScrewed Since we know these people have lied, we know the ones coming behind them will be liars too. Have they not all followed suit? They’ll pound the podiums in what may seem as all earnestness but it’s all the same game with the same rhetoric. Good talk and bad talk is all the same, because without action it’s just talk. There is a Senator, congressman and Representitive from each state. All of them should know  the Declaration of Independnce and the Constituon.Qouting from an article called the “Imprimis” I receive monthly form Hillsdale College, Professor Edward J.Erler wrote, “The Constitution was intended by the Framers to put the principles of the Declaration into practice. But as in all things political, it is never possible to translate theory intodirectly into practice.”
          And another quote from James Madison, “However, should the government act in such a settled wayto disfranchise the peopleof their rights, the peoplealways reserve the rightto alter or abolish the the governmentin order to secure new forms that are better calculated to promote their “safety and happiness.”
          Again from professor Erler, “This is what has come to be known as the right of revolution, a necessary attribute of the peoples sovereignty which serves as the ultimate guarantee ofevery other right. The right to lter or abolish government is the only obligation mentioned in the Declaration because it is the ultimate expression of the people’s sovereignty.”
          This what they don’t want our kids to learn in school. Nothing about the truth of our history. So now, that responsibility falls on the parents as well as teaching them the word of God. But Satan hits us hard with distractions like computers and video games and television, cloths and all the other detailf of life that take away the concentration on what is really the most important. Hillsdale is worth taking notice of. Here’s a link constitution.hillsdale.edu . May you have a beautiful blessed day filled with the Spirit and abiding in the love of Christ, in His name I pray giving thanks to the Father for all things, amen.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    RALPH Z , YES, THIS IS WHAT I GOT FROM THIS, i think WE are very close NOW to the end days, ALL of these TERRIBLE things that have happened , since BARRACK ”HITLER” OBAMA took office as PRESIDENT of OUR  UNITED STATES, i BELEIVE that these are SIGNS or WARNINGS from GOD , to streighten up, and get back to the HOLY BIBLE, the book of TRUTH, we need the AMERICAN FLAG, and PRAYER, and GOD back in our schools, and GOVERNMENT,  if these things that we do here in AMERICA,”OFFEND” anyone, then THE ONES THAT ARE BEING OFFENDED, ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE, THEY CAN PACK THEIR BAGS AND GO BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM, ”WE DID NOT INVITE THEM TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, thank you AND GOD BLESS AMERICA, LARRY NIEMAN

  • graybuffalo

    The man isn’t even shy about announcing his treason. Don’t forget the $1,500,000,000 ($1.5 Billion) of taxpayer money – yours and mine – that he has already given to The Muslim Brotherhood.  Money that we had to borrow 46 cents of every dollar from China.  Money that would have gone a long way to feeding the poor and hungry unemployed in America.  He is the definition of a hypocrite.  The definition of a traitor.  Aiding and abetting the enemy at our expense.  He is an “in-your-face” traitor and needs to be removed from office.  Then we can have “the stupidest man in the Senate” Joe Biden for Prez.  Heaven help us all.  We are soooo screwed!

    • ElizabethClark

      @graybuffalo
       if he goes so does all of his coharts

  • spyderdalton
    • spyderdalton

      Impeach Obama now!

  • spyderdalton
  • spyderdalton

    Guess it should have been a Koran…

  • Mikey420

    Remember what the bible said about following the false profit, I’ve never read the bible before. I just started recently and am on genesis 29. All those People behind him will all suffer! We will be fine as long as we stay try to our lord and savior

  • servant

    Dowenray. Ever think of the the possibility of this being a dual time frame prophecy–
     
    Matthew 24:5-9  “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.”
    This is for these times the end of flesh men, Read Rev 13 and think my friend and find Isa 28:9-10 and put this puzzle together by rightly dividing HIS Word, after asking for wisdom via the Holy Spirit in your prayers in Jesus name!
    Perhaps a Strong’ s Concordance and Good Study Bible will be of great help to you1 Best to you and yours

    • downenray

      @servant I really don’t think Jesus would contradict Himself. He assures his hearers that there will be NO signs to warn of His return. That’s clear and obvious. Any contradiction to that is to contradict Jesus. There WILL be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places and Christians will be persecuted. But these are not to happen as a sign that Jesus will soon return!

      • Evermyrtle

        @downenray  @servant I want to read that scripture , where do I find it. It doe snot say that in my B

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle  We’re looking particularly at Matthew 24. Toward the end of the chapter. You’ll find that it says that in your Bible the same as any other Bible.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle That scripture is saying what the entire chapter is saying, We do not know when HE is coming but we do know that the  time is near. He is listing what is coming in the last days or in the end days. Some records Hebrews 1:1-2; I Peter 1:18-20 IJohn 2:18-18; Job19:25-27;Isiah 2:1-4; Jer. 30:23-24. The sources are endless

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle It’s good when we read and understand what is written. Jesus in the latter verses in Matthew 24 is saying that all along there will be bad things as well as good things. He didn’t speak there to “end days” but instead of all our years. He agrees with all the other passages which point out that the earth will experience storms as well as times of peace. Every year. In the first century and in the 20th and in the 40th if the earth endures that long.

        • servant

          Evermyrtle:  Matt.24; Mk.13 & Lk.21 are the woe chapters for the non-believers, esp. those who think we get two crack at salvation, now and 7 years after Christ’s return!  They are good news for believers, knowing the new beginning is at had!The 7 year span is from Daniel time frame, and is within the 490 years Israel was given to repent and to return, but the 7 years began with the Baptism of Jesus and His 3 1/2 yrs of ministry, to the end of the next 3.5 yrs and the Stoning of Steven when the Word was given to the Gentiles!
          WHY this confusion for so many? Is it due to that they consider self, “Net Testament Christians”? Sorry the O.T. is the foundation and framing walls, the N.T completes this “House”!
          http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com       read & tell me what you think? My web is at each topic’s end. May God choose to bless thee & thine.

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant Indeed, you speak the truth! Luke 17. also gives a lot of information to fit in here. Thanks for sharing.

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant I once belonged to that denomination, in Orangeburg, SC. I moved back to my home town and continued to attend for a while but because of the distance and my age I had to let go of. That is the nearest church of that denomination to me.  They did try to get one started neared but as you know there are such a small percentage of people that are interested in GOD, today, which is what has caused the problems in our country today.

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant I have not had time to read your work but wrote down the address down so that I can go back ot it., when I have time. Thank you so much.

      • servant

        @downenray  OK my friend, what’s your opinion on this passage….>Matthew 24:32-33  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
        The year we can’t know, but the season?  SELAH

        • downenray

          @servant Jesus is the wise teacher. He says, as you note, that we can see “the season” that something is apt to happen. This was true when Jerusalem was destroyed. It has been true many times since then that a “season” of sinfulness and godlessness was obvious in our communities and now, in our nation. But I don’t believe that this is the first such season when people would have had good cause to sense that God’s judgment should come upon a nation. When our leaders are telling us we shouldn’t speak the truth surely is a sign of something bad happening! 
           
          Now that God’s people are in EVERY nation of this world, it may be difficult to name a time when the season was not right for judgment to be sent. The verses which point to His return being unexpected are in the gospels where parable after parable has the “master” going away and then returning unexpectedly. No signs to say it would be THIS day. He left. He came back. The manager was either prepared or not. There was no time THEN to prepare. And that’s the message we should share with everyone today. Jesus WILL return. We don’t know when. We will prepare for His return if we are wise.

        • servant

          @downenray True my friend, the day or the hour is known only to the Father, and as Jesus said this while on earth, in the flesh, He did not know it as well! {no man knows}
          God’ s ways are best, for if men knew the time, then 30 seconds before that hour all knees shall bow, and that they shall, but not just before the 2nd Advent! Those who face the 2nd death!
          I pray that all shall soon learn of His Light?Truth, and be among those who will call upon the mountains to fall upon them or the rocks to hide them form our Savior for whom we have so long waited.
          Revelations shows but all humanity in two camps
          1. camp obeys God’s Word
          2. the other camp obey the words of men Rev.13-19 chapters.
          May God chose to bless thee and thine

    • downenray

      @servant As for Matthew 24, Jesus is there answering two questions. The answers do not apply to both but instead to first one and THEN the other. The first answer is when will Jerusalem be destroyed. The second is when will the end of time come. There is a definite sign given for the destruction. There is NO sign given for the end. What is mentioned is that things will go on as always with both good things and bad things happening. Jesus is quoted in the gospels as pointing out that He would return, and repeatedly He tells in the stories that it will be unexpected.

      • servant

        @downenray True, that’s the reason for the “Thief in the night” symbology found in ! Thess. 5:12+ 2Pet. 3:10, because the unlearned will be taken by surprise, just as they will be when a thief visits, their home, it’s unexpected!
        The Day nor hour is unknowable to us, but look at what Satan is allowed to do with nature, in severity, frequency in just one criteria earthquakes, it took 70 years to add up to 6+ quakes from 1900 to 1970, but from 2001 to 2009 we had the same number of 6 on the Richter scale or larger, Japan got hit with a 9.4 by some reports!, now think:
        Matthew 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
        Ray if think that the 4 types of Ebola,{Hemorrhagic fevers] or HIV or the fact that viruses from animals are now invading humans, all within the 1980′s, do not qualify as pestilences  then what does? SELAH my brother in Christ
        http://www.longlifechoices.blogspot.com    go, read and give me our opinion OK?

        • downenray

          @servant I didn’t taketime to visit your web site but I surely agree that there are earthquakes and pestilences just as there always are. Jesus assures us that this will continue to be the case, and the frequency is not a sign of anything still to come.

  • downenray

    Kid says a congressman has threatened to impeach Obama when he issues a regulation contrary to the 2nd amendment. Will it happen? The regulation likely will. The impeachment? No, most likely not.

    • servant

      @downenray How true you are! Nancy P spoke of draining the Swamp of Corruption, but I guess she’s still looking for the on switch?

      • Evermyrtle

        @servant  @downenray When they get the final piece of garbage, we  will no longer have Nancy plaguing us She will be that last piece to go..

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    RALPH Z     I THINK that what we are compairing is THE HOLY BIBLE to the KERAN, of the MUSLIM, what do you think, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    downenray, I certainly HOPE so, IMPEACH OBAMA , if we get enough people to do that, IT IS POSSIBLE, but to get enough people together to stand against HITLER wont be easy, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    graybufalo, you are so right, get OBAMA out of office, this is the first step,and a LARGE STEP, why,  because, OBAMA is very arogent, and in your face  a DICTATOR, but when we get OBAMA out of office then WE WILL deal WITH JOE BIDEN, and he will be a LOT easier to CONTROL, OBAMA is not easy to control, BECAUSE , HE IS ”ONLY” A PUPPET,  and SOROS and his counterparts ARE PULLING THE STRINGS, JUST GET RID OF OBAMA, the rest we can control, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN He has an ego that out does any that I have ever seen before . He thinks  that he invincible and so far that has proven true. He has not hit one decent snag, yet. What is wrong with our people that they are willing t be run over roughshod  and never flinch. It has me completely buffaloed. Can you answer that question????

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, AS i have said before, i have been around the block a few times, so i am not afraid to call A SPADE A SPADE, and this goes for BARRACH ”HITLER” OBAMA, he is a fraud in many ways, AND he knows that HIS numbers are getting SHORT, WE need people with BIG GO NADS, if you get my drift, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Did I say something to offend you? I apologize already, if I did but I don’t have a clue what it may have been. No, no, no.I was not doubting any of the  work, that you and the others are doing. In fact I am praying for you, asking GOD to intervene in the matter and by with as you are doing this work. I guess this is  another time I have my foot in my mouth, I promise I will get it out!!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN By the way, I do not back-stab, anyone, especially people that I love!

  • braveheart 1

    ALL PATRIOTS, Orly Taitz and hopefully many others will be protesting in front of the White House on Jan. 20th between 10-4:00 PM. She will also be protesting in front of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21st between 10:00AM till ?,so let’s all be there to support her. This may be our last chance for a peaceful demonstration.

  • LarryChambers

    @JohnnieFay Thank you so much for your encouraging and inspiring words. You have such a beautiful attitude of grace which speaks loudly of your Christian character. Such sweet nectar could only come from a flower of beauty. Please permit me to share this abundance of joy you have so richly blessed me with.
     
    TOUCHED BY BEAUTY
    JonnieFay
    Your
    Genuine humility
    And
    The kindness
    Of
    Your beautiful heart
    Are so reflective
    Of
    Your inner beauty
    So
    Reminiscent
    Of a
    Beautiful butterfly
    I
    See you
    But
    Time to time
    Refreshing
    Is each
    Memory
    Of your
    Lovely smile
    That
    Precious and
    Magnificent wonder
    That brightens
    The
    Dark moments
    Of my
    Life
     
                  Larry Chambers 4/12

  • MrLucky

    Well kid, keep doing it your way and see where it gets you! By the way, I protect myself from both foreign and domestic enemies! Now stick your head back in the sand and be quiet!

  • MrLucky

    Larry, I understand what you’re saying and hope you reach your goal. I understand you’re waiting to go to heaver. But until God comes back you live here on earth and you Christens need to care what happens here and start getting a backbone to try to help fix this country!!!
    Have a good day

    • LarryChambers

      @MrLucky Are there not Christians in the military, several who are business owners in fact there are Christians in places of this country you have no idea exist. We live and think diffrently than the world does. We have power the world knows nothing of. And we do not live in fear and bondage. Man always thinks there is something he can do. Well, it’s that kind of thinking that got us in the mess we’re in right now. And there is no man or group who’s going to fix it and if it is tried it’s only going to get worse, Let go and Let God who is the only one with the knowledge and strength to fix this and every Christian should know that. But just out of curiosity, where would you start and who with if you were going to fix this problem? May you have a good day.

      • ElizabethClark

        @LarryChambers  @MrLucky
         and that is the truth, too bad men have turned away from our true source and messed up so many lives

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, I protect my sisters and brothers in CHRIST, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    evermyrtle, YOU MY DEAR are a SWEETHEART, we are on the same side, we are with JESUS CHRIST, our leader, thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA, LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Thank You , Larry. God Bless You Always. Love, MKL

  • braveheart 1

    ALL PATRIOTS, Orly Taitz and hopefully millions more will be protesting in front of the White House on Jan. 20th between 10:00 AM and 4:00 PM. Also the very next day in front of the Supreme Court from 10:00 AM till ? Let’s all be there to support her. This may be our last chance for a peaceful demonstration!!!!!

  • LarryChambers

    @Evermyrtle  Myrtle, I know you and RalphZ share the same view concerning repentance. And “dowenray”as well. I did not, nor have I , ever made the statement that repentance was not a part of salvation. I do not know how or why you believed I said that. I hold the view that the apostle Paul was the apostle to the Church in which he was chosen by Christ to set up the adminstration of the Church. It would be Paul who would give the mystery doctrines to the Church and explain their purposes. Don’t you find it strange they are never mentioned in todays society? Do you know what the mystery doctrines are? You gave the correct meaning of repentance but, where Christ is concerned, where faith is concerned Paul (at least I could not find) never teaches that you must repent before to receive salvation or that you must repent, be baptized to be saved when he himself did not do a whole lot of batpizing. Christ did none. We are now baptized by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation or accepting God’s grace. Since Paul was the apostle to the Church certainly he would have made mention of this doctrine. Even those who call upon His may be saved in Rom10:11 If there was process to salvation why is it not explained as being such? Step 1, repent; step 2, be baptized; step 3 receieve salvation. God makes it simple; believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. When looking at how the Church first got started you need a descerning eye.
    Because if you notice there were gifts but they disappeared from Paul and from Peter one tried to heal the other save a life but it was the will of God that had the final sayso. The key to understanding the gospel is in the mystery doctrines of the Church. Even though we repent we still find ourselves sinning, but, God has made provisions for that too through simple confession of your sins. Repent =come to a mental attitude change. God wants you to see sin as He sees it. A.nd stay in fellowship through confession.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle My Dear Friend, I only go by what I find in GOD’S WORD. Man can explain what he thinks by mouth or by writing books,stories or  just articles. All of that is secondary material, which can help you to understand but can lead you astray just as easily. There is so much material out there that you can get your hands on, but you have to be very careful what you read, what you believe .There is far  more to mislead you, than what is what GOD intends for you to believe, that is Satan’ purpose and he is pouring it out to see how many people he can trap into  believing  wrongly. Repentance is the very first thing I do when I realize that I have sinned. Never is there a day that I miss repenting.  Out of all the things that you hear, all the things you read,concerning what you find in HIS WORD, you have to sift it and determine what is right and what is wrong, when you put it up beside the  BIBLE, NOT BY WHAT ANYONE SAYS OR BY WHAT YOU READ.

      • LarryChambers

        @Evermyrtle Some realize the word as repent, some realize the word as confession and in there is the confusion. So as it pleases God we must always remember to conduct ourselves as Christians and not let things like this cause any root of bitterness cause us to vere away from the purpose we have been left here in time. This whole thing started because I  was trying to bring someone to the saving grace of Christ. From there two individuals found reason to attack my  efforts, and I wasn’t paying attention and was led into this worthless argument of which no good has come, and that I have had to apologizie for my conduct which I have done. I love you sweetheart, it would take much, much more than pettiness for me to have a change of heart. Paul warned Timothy of this very thing. I made a mistake, I have confessed and prayed for all involved that we may all learn from this so that we can continue to glorify our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I pray you have a beautifull and Spirit filled day.  I am done with this subject.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  It’s good if we use words correctly. Repentance is not confessing faith. Confessing faith is not repentance. These are two totally separate actions. Read Acts 2:37,38 and believe that Peter was speaking as Luke there records him, FOR THE LORD. You disagree with what the apostle said. I think Peter knew and spoke the truth. 
           
          Our subject should be Obama’s arming of our enemies. I disagree with what Obama does. I’m sure that Islam is an enemy of liberty and needs to be fought against with all our might.

      • Evermyrtle

        @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers Friend, Thank you for for caring! You have such a generousl loving heart. You did not go astray for getting involved in this discussion. Many times if we continue in our fight for the truth, the truth will be revealed. Remember all is not lost. I have gained by and I believe that all had a part in it have gained.
        I know I do not always sound like it but I always speak in such things with love for that person. If you ever feel like telling me to shut ,up remember that I am trying to  speak with humility not pride, but I fail sometime to succeed in my attempt. You may give up on me but I will not give up on you, you are my brother.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LarryChambers Larry, dear friend, I think you hit the nail on the heard. So often when we give advice we do not give it, with love and humility. We forget that there are many things in HIS WORD that we do not understand. He tells us that we see as through a glass darkly now, but then we will see face to face. sometimes we are so self righteous that it is pitiful.. We should be ready to help each other with humility and love, not with pride and arrogance.
       
      We forget that t we all can follow the wrong ideas and go astray at times since there are somany who are putting things out there that was not led by GOD but by Satan. WE forget that we need to take new things that we hear and weigh it with GOD’S WORD and with what we already know and judge if it is true or not true.We all for get that. We need to remember we are all sinners and come short of the GLORY OF GOD.He gives sn no guarantee, we will make mistakes,
       
      I am sorry that i hurt your feelings but my GOD WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO  STAND ASIDE AND SAY NOTHING IF I FEEL THAT IT IS MY DUTY. AND I THINK THAT YOU WILL DOT HE SAME FOR ME.

      • LarryChambers

        @Evermyrtle Myrtle, my dear you did not hurt my feelings. You have already made known to me about your settled ways. What disturbed me more than anything was that there may have been others watching the flow of this discusion who may have been searching for answers or interested in being saved. And for them to see Christians bickering  as we were,  they may well have found disgust in the way we conducted ourselves to the point of wanting nothing to do with Christianity. This the danger of us losing others for Christ, this is the point Paul makes about arguing over things that will result in no fruitful end, and we as Christians cannot afford to do that especially in a time when the Church is already in  so much disarray. That kind of behavior is totaly unacceptable. If it taught me anything, I pray I will not engage myself in fruitless discusions ever again. I live and I learn, I try at best to keep my emotions at bay, because I certainly don’t want them in control of my decsion making process.

  • LarryChambers

    @RalphZ Never once have mentioned repentance was not a part of salvation. How you got on that rabbit trail I do not know. What I stand is that salvation is not a pracess: Step 1, repent; step 2, be baptized and 3, receive salvation. I do not agree nor am I taught that. God makes it simple; believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. And at that very moment the Holy Spirit places you in union with Christ and places a seal on you until the day of salvation. We are baptized by the Holy Spirit. However, there is no wrong in a water baptism. Repentance will come gradually as you stay filled with the Spirit and your volition. Show me one verse where the apostle Paul taught your doctrine of having to go through a process to be saved and I will shut up. You need a descerning eye to see how and what the Holy Spirit was doing when the Church first began.

    • downenray

      @LarryChambers  Larry, if you would read the book of Acts you just might learn that you’re totally wrong about salvation being by faith alone. Jesus commanded that we who love Him are to baptize those who hear the gospel and believe it. He says nothing about the Spirit saving sinners without baptism. You’ve made that up, with help from many teachers who don’t know the truth. Mark says it right, “He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.” And Paul makes clear that we are “baptized INTO Christ.” Peter claims that “baptism saves.” Jesus insists that only those who are born again of water and spirit can enter His Kingdom. Peter in Acts 2:38 explains how this new birth is possible. I’m surprised you can ignore these true facts. 
       
      Obama would agree with you, I expect. He knows little about the Bible but lots about the Koran. And he supports our enemies while reducing as quickly as possible the ability of our armed forces to keep us secure.

  • CarlStevenson

    Could you people please take the off-topic religious arguments to another forum, please?
    You certainly have the right to spout all of your “Jesus this”, “No Jesus that”, but this thread is about gun control and tyrrany, and your bible-thumping really doesn’t fit the conversation.
    Why don’t you start your own religious arguments forum and you can argue until hell freezes over without annoying everyone?

    • LarryChambers

      @CarlStevenson While God is the major focus of our individual freedoms and rights, we did vere away from the true essence of this article where He is concerned, and I do apologize to everyone for my neglegence. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @CarlStevenson We cannot take GOD out of any thing or any place HE is there forever, because there is nothing that does not belong to HIM.
        anywhere GOD is not welcome, I am not welcome and where ever HE goes I will go. I will go nowhere without HIM

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  Myrtle, I am not suggesting that I or we should take God out of anything. Where do you see that? Certainly not in the response I gave to Mr.Stevenson. He has a well made point. By us bickering back and forth led him to make his comment, and we should be in respect of others whether they are Christians or not. We can’t or should not push them to the side and force them to listen to us. That is not how the grace of God works. When the oportunity presents itself for me to comment on issues facing our nation I will then include God into my conversation  so that  the need to do so is fitting and that all listening may benefit. There is a time and place for everything and we must always conduct ourselves with good Christian behavior,  always demonstrating the character and person of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
          We are to never present the gospel by force. Mr. Stevenson,  in my opinion has a valid point.

        • dfdsfsdfsdfsdf

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @CarlStevenson
           give it a rest you bible thumping inbred.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle
          The fact that GOD and JESUS are who are mentioned on these sites, is what is objectionable. If fishing or ball games oar any other subject comes up, that is fine, only do not mention our SAVIOR. That is what bothers me.There is nobody forced to read anything written there. I pass up 90% of the posts. As far as I am concerned, I don’t care unless it is a normally a taboo subject. If it is a subject that I object to, I just pass it by. I do not think it is right to hush up any subject that other people are interested in.  When I write about my SAVIOR on one of these sites I am not forcing nobody to read them, they can do as I do , pass by them and don’t read them. These are anti-GOD people chosen by Satan to hush up any mention of the TRINITY.  If is is not alright with the site they will ban what I am writing. These people want to control the sites. I believe “The Last Resistance” refers to our last fight against evil in this world which is choking to death on evil.
           
          About what you said him: I may be wrong but I would never apologize for speaking up for GOD..  I am not saying I am right, but that is how I feel.
           
          Again I apologize for  interfering with decisions that you  make.Actually I was not criticizing you I was making a dumb effort to defend you.
           
          As long as we are working for the LORD we will be constantly in trouble, constantly critized. They killed OUR LORD and 11 of HIS disciples, all of them in the most horrible way that they could come up with. We are up against the same thing today.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Speaking in honor of God is one thing. But tthe point I’m making is that it is not our place to continuously argue and bicker over words.
          And I do not believe that is the way God wants us to spread His word. There is a right way to get His message to others that we are follow. God does not force anything on us and we are to treat our fellowman accordingly. Do not think that I am shuting God out, you yourself know far better than that. What I’m saying is lets not  argue and fight about the word of God. Lets do all things with  respectful and good Christian ethics. You are missing the whole point of what I’m saying. We could very well be causing more harm than good in that respect. Are you saying we should only think of ourselves? Do you we to not know that God takes a dim view of this attitude. What you are suggesting is not the mind and thinking of Christ. And I refuse to conduct myself in like manner. You have your rights to do as you choose, I hope you will make the right decsion. Remeber I’m only talking about the arguing.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Hey Old buddy, I am sorry, every time I open my mouth, my foot flies in. I’m gonna have to do something with that thing. I know what I can do, don’t open it. Have blessed evening and MAY GOD BLESS YOU

        • Evermyrtle

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  @CarlStevenson 
          Why, are  you afraid of them? I cannot do what you ask  because if  I do
           I will not be able to go to my heavenly home to live forever after I leave this earth.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  Myrtle, in my wildest imagination I would never have thought I would hear you, of all people say something like this. There is no way you could ever lose your salvation. Paul makes this clear in Rom 8: 37-39.  I seeK and I speak, only the true knowledge of GOD. What you just said is exactly what I was talking about. If you are going to tell people about the Lord it must be truth or it is worthless and you are  misleading people with false doctrine. I know you don’t mean to do that but you must be careful of making these kinds of statements because this gives the impression that there is someway to lose your salvation when there is none. Remeber that other people pick up on this that’s why it is so important to speak the truth.
          And as far as Larry Chambers being afraid forget it. I have a discerning eye.
          Am I not talking about God right now?

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle There is no harm done. And even if there were forgiveness is always in my heart. In Gal 5:22 are the fruits of the Spirit. This what God the Holy Spirit wants to produce in us. And when He does they will show up in our actions, our words and our deeds. Also it is proof that you have a renewed mind, Rom 12:2. It is so important as in Rom 12:2 to find out what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect will of God. There is no greater feeling than to know you are doing the will of God  because that is what produces the joy and happines and the peace and contentment in your life. If I’m wrong just let me know.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle Here are some scriptures addressing that, it is called in some events “Backsliding”
           
           
           
          Jeremiah 2:19  Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou has forsaken the LORD THY GOD, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the LORD GOD of hosts.
           
          Jeremiah 3:22 Return ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backsliding . Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD OUR GOD
           
          2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, that, after they have known it, to turn form the HOLY COMMANDMENT delivered unto it..
           
          Another good selection is Hebrews 6:4-6, GOD BLESS YOU

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle I do not hold grudges either, I make too many boo-boos myself to be angry more than a  couple of minutes
           
          I just ran across a beautiful verse of scripture, one that I have known maybe all of my life but it had slipped out off my mind.
           
          Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, o GOD; and renew a right spirit within me.
           
          GOD BLESS YOU!!

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle Those scriptures refer to those falling away or who have returned to their former way  of living. I fail to see where that concerns you and I. I think we would do well to focus on pressing on to the glory of Christ. To continue to grow in grace and  in the true knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And learning what the will of God is and how we may please Him in every way, while doing all the good we can and not be overcome with evil but overcome evil with good. Here are some scriptures that will give you great comfort and also let you know where I stand in the faith.
          1 John 4:10-21; 1 John 5: 1-11; and for the true knowledge of eternal life is found in John 17: 3. Of all that I have written trying to quiete to the storms that have risen between we Christians, these scriptures should be our true focus.
          Please, if it is within you read them slowly twice. And then meditate on them  repeatedly before you respond. May you have a blessed and Spirit filled day in Christ, in His precious and Holy name, giving thanks to the Father always for all things, I pray and ask these things, amen.

        • babel on

          @Evermyrtle  @LarryChambers  Your comments are good… and follows on with a much later call by Jesus through John in Revelations to “Come OUT of Babylon… my people” – And people who THINK that the Commandments are done away with, should read Yeshua’s OWN words in Matthew 5-17etc… which tell it like it is! – The Christ cam to fill the law FULLY by showing us HOW to obey. He didn’t come to wreck the Law, or the Prophecies! … in FACT, the prophecies all have been completed that were meant for their time… including Napoleons EDICT for the arrest and imprisonment of the POPE, from which time the return of ISRAEL was timed exactly to 1948′s EDICT by the UN!. The almost annihilation of the Jews by Hitler was also within that prophetic time frame. NOW we have a President that wants to allow the murder of NEWBORNS, not having been satisfied with pre-natal abortions… and also wants to enforce SSM by sexual deviates as happened in Sodom etc… In other words, all kinds of foul sins are going to be sponsored by Government using your votes! – And using YOUR TAXES to promote such VILE SINS! – And WE thought that we were NOT to blame? – It was neo-Christian churches that are NOT, that allowed their morality to slip faster and faster into the quicksand we are now in by failing to WARN their parishioners to vote with morality upmost in their minds. Taking guns from the people is only a means to an end!

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle babel on, Is your name a reference to the tower of Babel? If so, you may want to change it once you find out what it really means and by how it came into being. But, that’s for you find out I won’t go into that. Thank you, that  compilment was very kind thing to say. Right now I’m more interested in pulling together and comforting the saints in Christ. And I need all the help I can get. Could you use your knowledge and understanding to stand with me?
          Urge them to pray for our nation and the nation of Israel. Urge them to study their Bibles and to fellowship with other believers. Urge them to stay filled with the Spirit and abide in the love of Christ. Urge them to hold on to their faith and do not slip back nor forsake the gospel. This is where I need help, in continuing in the word of truth yet not for pretense.

        • babel on

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle in my own way, that is what I try to do, Larry! – I am not perfect, but I TRY! – Yes, I will stand by anyone who tries to teach the true Words and intent that God wants us to follow. I have my own FaceBook site called “Come OUT of Babylon” – Babel on is a bit of humour, as some “wit” alluded that I was doing…. quirky… but I am an Aussie ex-Serviceman from the “Nam” era… so don’t mind the black humour too much, cobber!

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @CarlStevenson I am GOD’S child and believe every word in HIS WORD is precious but when you say BIBLE THUMPING I really have no idea what you mean. What I think it means is that liberals hate it and use that expression as a dirty word. I would advise you to accept HIS WORD and if you do, you can spend eternity with the rest of us Christians in heaven. The only other choice is the lake of fire also known as Hell.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Dear Larry, I must remind you I have been into the WORD OF GOD 70 years and I do have a fair understanding of it. If you and I do not see situations listed there, with the same understanding, we may both both be correct in that there is good in both opinions. We must not try to make  each other believe as we do about all things. These verses show very plainly, people that have come to JESUS CHRIST and then turned away. I respect your view and will not try to turn you way from them,because that is your right to believe as GOD leads you. If you believe differently from me I will love you no less because we are brother and sister and children of GOD. We need to try to understand, each of us where the other is coming from and form our own opinions and let no one tell us how to believe, no matter how high they may in the Church. Talk to GOD before we read THE WORD and ask HIM to lead us into understanding. Some ministers believe on a given subject, others I d not follow, on the same subject. Ministers are like we are, imperfect and strive every day to serve HIM as they are led to do. GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU STRIVE TO LIVE FOR HIM AND WITNESS FOR HIM

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  BABE ON, You are absolutely right and I believe that I hate most in all that I have seen and and heard, is people who try to throw any part out of HIS WORD or to declare it null and void. The y need to read h Rev. 22:18-21
          18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
          19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD shall take away his part  out of the BOOK OS LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
          20. HE which testifieth these things saith, SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen, even so, come, LORD JESUS.
          21.The grace of our LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you all, Amen

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle But you see the word of God is not based upon man’s opinoin, it is based upon His truth and that is what we are to find out and dilver it to others. Pastor-teachers have been given the spiritual gift of communicating the word of God to the saints, Eph 4:8& 11 because He knew we could not understand this on our own. We take what they teach us and apply those things to our lives as they relate to the word of God. Opinions, ideas and spetulation, your on your own, I do not make either. The word of God sure, either it is or it is not. And it is only what He says that counts. If there is a subject that I have not studied or unfamilier with I will not comment on it.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @CarlStevenson Myrtle, why not do as Christ said, just give them the word, and if they reject it shake the dust from your sandles and go on. You’ll save yourself a lot of frustration. Besides God will decide what to do with them, all you do is plant the seed . The Spirit will water it and God will cause the increase.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle  @CarlStevenson Like Paul, in the Bible did? Paul never stopped not did HIS disciples and they died because of it everyone of them except John. While in prison John wrote his part of the Bible. I guess, Larry, that each has to do as we are led to do by the HOLY SPIRIT. While it may lead you to leave it alone, IT leads me to continue on. I t is sort like it is by blood sister, who is living in sin, I would never give up on her and i feel the same way about all people I feel that connection, as that of sister or brother and cannot stop.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Indeed! To address this wild belief of a notion that any part of the WORD OF GOD is null and void can be found in Rev 22:18-21. People had better wake up and read the entire book not parts that suit them. I have already copied this scripture this morning so I’ll ask those who are interested to go there and read.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  You say, “There is no way you could ever lose your salvation. Paul makes this clear in Rom 8: 37-39.” Paul (the apostle) assures us that nothing can separate us from God’s love. He also makes clear that we ourselves CAN separate ourselves from Him and His love. Both in Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 the writer of Hebrews warns of the danger of our falling away from God (walking away, no longer caring for and loving God). 
           
          As we consider what we should discuss even if enemies of Jesus are listening (as the subject is regarding what armed force members may say) we do well to realize that our speech reveals what is in our hearts. It’s good for anyone to recognize evil and speak against it regardless of any directives urging that we remain silent. We also don’t want to reveal secrets to enemies.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle  Just for the record, it should be noted that the warning in the final chapter of Revelation is against any change in the message of Revelation. It has nothing to say about any other writings than the book of Revelation. We remember that when Revelation was written, no other apostolic writings were in general distribution. The New Testament as we know it was not yet gathered into one volume. The Old Testament copies were scrolls generally held in Jewish synagogues and not usually owned by individuals.

        • LarryChambers

          @downenray What we do as man God does not accept. All God accepts is His own righteousness. You must understand how the grace of God works. It is God at work “in us” to do His good will. I have laid the truth before you. It is up to you to search it out, I have nothing further to say.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray Your opinion and my opinion do not coincide and I seriously doubt that they ever will . I think I will pass on argument on this one, a complete, waste of time.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers Thanks for refraining from further speech! You affirm that God does not accept what men do, and that’s a fine thought, but totally unsupported by truth.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle Yes, anyone who thinks that what has passed away is still standing surely disagrees with truth. Why anyone would fail to see that the NEW covenant has replaced the OLD covenant does not make good sense. A reading of the book of Hebrews should straighten out the wrong thinking which suggests the Old Testament has the same authority as the New.

        • LarryChambers

          @downenray According to your observation of God’s righteousness, what I have given you id perfect. God says “I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have drawn you to myself. What are you confused about. Please no more of this, This is ridiculous. This is time that could be spent helping someone.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @LarryChambers A very rude, unChristian post. I think he is right If you cannot agree, quit bickering. Spite never wins any argument.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle You are right but remember that THE WORD was written for man and GOD exactly how  fickle that man was going to be.

        • servant

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle 
          Romans 8:37-39  Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
           
          Larry C that part is truth, but notice Please, “shall be  ABLE to separate us from the love OF WHOM? God,  [for His love for us is the surest thing we have]  BUT , there’s nothing here that states nothing will break our human love for God. With our free-will we can and many have, turned away from our Heavenly Father, if any reject Him then By Him shall they be rejected, at their LAST BREATH. Thus face the 2nd death of Rev., right after every knee shall bow. and acknowledge that God Judgements are righteous, including our enemy Satan.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle Are you saying that certain part of THE WORD OF GOD is null and and void or to put in another way, it is old fashioned, out of date, and need not be heeded? You are a big boy, now and can believe as you choose. I will continue to read and accept the entire BOOK. I will likely meet you when we are all gathered together to be separated, GOD’S people from the evil.

    • ElizabethClark

      @CarlStevenson
       actually God is a part of everything we do in this life, weather it be gun control or self control

    • Evermyrtle

      @CarlStevenson Where do you think the wisdom comes, that man was able to anything. GOD belongs in everything we do,  and in what we say. We belong to HIM, as long as we will allow ourselves to d so When we refuse HIM then we belong to Satan.We who love HIM  put HIM where HE belongs, right beside us in everything we do. HE is there whether you like it or not., if we want HIS help, HE will help us,  We can do nothing, absolutely nothing without GOD and you think we can just shove HIM aside and go on with our work??
       
      While we are doing this work, that is none of GOD’S business and there is some great danger that should arise, say a huge explosion, where is the first place most everybody Christian or agnostic go? To GOD!! This is something like our schools, GOD has no business there, so we masterminds shove HIM out, but just as soon as a mass murderer comes along, what do we expect? First thing we do is to say ,”Where was your GOD, why did HE not stop it.?  You never think that there may not have been any children there that belonged to Christians parents. Or another way to loo at it, maybe GOD would have stopped but people like you said, ” It is none of your business GOD, keep out of it!!” Christians  never want HIM to leave me alone, anywhere.  HE is right beside us, every minute of the day.

    • Evermyrtle

      @CarlStevenson If the knowledge of GOD being displayed is driving you crazy why do you read about it. It is our right to write about our GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, THE SAME AS IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO, OR NOT READ IT. There are sites which Christians avoid for the same reason that  you have a right to avoid this one.There are anti-GOD, liberal sites. Most of those who do not like it have the brains to stay away. Try Rightwing, that should satisfy you.

      • CarlStevenson

        @Evermyrtle Why don’t you try “Inconsiderate, obnoxious, religious nut”???
        This site is not your personal religious platform.  This tread WAS a discussion of gun control issues until YOU and your religious nut friends barged in and highjacked it.
        I hope that the site operators terminate your account.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CarlStevenson Thanks, you really are all of those things. I am a fighter for THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND JESUS CHRIST, WHO IS MY SAVIOR.

        • Evermyrtle

          @CarlStevenson Your religion is not with the same  as mine, yours is with Satan.

        • JohnnieFay

          @CarlStevenson  @Evermyrtle Carl, I am sorry you feel that way toward our commits.  Yes Gun control is the main issue and it because we are as  concerned about it as much as you are that we turn The to the Only One who has control over this world.  The Only One with the ability to change the heart and mind of those in control over us at this time…
          Our God and Savior, Our  Lord Jesus Christ is all that is now standing between America and total dictatorship…Should He remove His hand of mercy from us the consequence is to dire to contemplate… 
           Think back to when people, even those who did not believe in God accepted the morals and standards set down by those who did..Our leaders would never have dared to impose upon our great nation such ideas that they are now attempting to shove down our throats…It would never have gotten this far….Throwing God out the window also served to make them think that individual rights do not matter…The only thing important to them now is their own greed and lust for power..  Bare with us for we both want the same thing…The ability to live in peace and enjoy our God given rights and freedom…

        • downenray

          @CarlStevenson  Well said! Obama is helping other Muslims in any way he can do so. And patriots need to recognize the truth and take action to save the nation if that’s possible.

        • downenray

          @JohnnieFay  Carl is surely right that the topic we should be addressing is Obama’s attacks on the U.S.A. While it’s true that our love for God should make us patriots of this land of the free, we had best speak to the urgent need for recognizing and opposing the errors of our President.

    • LARRY NIEMAN

      @CarlStevenson
       CARL, LET’S TALK ABOUT OBAMA, HE IS AN ATHEIST, AND A MUSLIM, AND A ”HITLER, so let’s talk about that, OK, LARRY NIEMAN

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN  @CarlStevenson You hit that nail on the head. GOD Bless YOU and Good Night.

      • downenray

        @LARRY NIEMAN  We know that Obama is an enemy of our nation. So we would do well to encourage one another to fight against our enemies in any way possible. To dispute with one another over other subjects is not a good way to participate in a blog about Obama’s arming our enemies.

  • servant

    TO ALL: The Questions of repentance, faith and baptism as repentance
    1. the urge/need to repent comes from God, it brings to us the knowing we need to learn and draw near to God in Jesus Christ. [Those who reject Jesus feel no urge to repent right?] We then search for His truth.
    2.Once we have learned, via Bible Studies, the reasons for and of repentance, faith, work, trust in the Father and the Son to know that Salvation is a gift purchased by Christ, and by God’s Grace.
    3. We can then Publicly Acknowledge our new or re-rewed faith via submersion Baptism
    4. Without these, you are baptizing  an atheist and his/her only change will be that they got wet!
    WHY? Because baptism is our symbolic death with Christ’ s death, as we go under the water, then when we come up this is symbolic of our “resurrection”, into being a “New Creature” This is the DIE TO SELF  which should/must be our DAILY goal.
    WHY?
    Nevertheless not my will Father, but thy will be done!

    • CarlStevenson

      @servant enough with the religion! This conversation is about gun control, so please take it somewhere else.

      • Evermyrtle

        @CarlStevenson  @servant I hope you will remember this when you are standing face to face with the CREATOR of the universe and all things in it, Without HIM there would be no guns, no people to make them ,no people to use them.  There is not a person in the universe that HE did not make , along comes Satan and crams us full of all the evils that are present in the world today. The first and the worse is the lack of faith because all sin stems for lack of this faith.

      • servant

        @CarlStevenson ALL freedoms come from above, so as America departs from God, more and more evils are manifested among us!
        You speak upon the Second amendment while I prefer to stand on the First

    • downenray

      @servant I agree with Carl that our discussion should not be done where the subject is Obama’s restrictions on speech of armed force members. But let it be known that faith is not repentance. Baptism is not repentance. Repentance is a change of human direction, a sorrow for wrong decisions and a change of direction by the one repenting. Neither faith nor baptism are repentance. Repentance is a result of a change of mind which in the case of religion is a belief that Jesus rose from the dead and a recognition that He calls for a person to make HIM their Lord. 
       
      Baptism is the act in which the “man of sin” is buried (figuratively) and a new creature “in Christ” is raised up out of the watery tomb. The sequence is in every case, faith, repentance, THEN baptism. What the regulation is calling for is for truth to be silenced, never spoken aloud. But it’s not bad, it’s good for the truth to be spoken. So the one making this regulation of free speech is in error and is in fact an enemy of truth.

    • babel on

      @servant — EXACTLY… you are correct! – “NOT MY WILL, but my Father’s WILL… be done!”   BUT…. are we actually doing GOD’S WILL, or some other mere man’s  WILL? Read again Matthew 5-17 etc… Here Yeshua (Jesus) talks about The Law and Prophets that will NEVER be destroyed, by Him or any other! – Man may THINK only that He has destroyed God’s Laws, BUT man is wrong as usual. You see, we cannot Love or Respect God if we disobey, and neither did The Christ, but was a fulfilling of the Law by example… (means in context that He filled the true intent of the Law and Prophets)… the opposite of DESTRUCTION… understand that in plain English. The law of remembrance for what The Creator done is in the Law showing our LOVE and RESPECT in GEN 2  - read and comprehend! It is repeated when God wrote it in stone for Moses to REMEMBER in Exodus 20. Ask yourselves what word in English is OPPOSITE FOR LOVE and RESPECT? Or opposite to Faith, or opposite to Obedience? or opposite WORKS even!  — get my drift? – I hope you start asking questions too! – Which is what the Prophets TOLD US TO DO, to LEARN!

    • downenray

      @servant Carl is right, as has been stated already. But I’ll speak to servant to ask him why Jesus would word His commission (Matthew 28:18-20) to require that men should carry to all the world the MESSAGE about a Savior if God was going to select only a few and cause them to repent and THEN hear about Jesus. Faith comes by hearing the gospel. It is not a result of a sinner being sorry about sinning. It’s by learning of God’s LOVE and the offer by Jesus to save from sin. Hearing “the gospel” leads to faith, which leads to repentance and obedience to Jesus as Lord. The sequence is seen in chapter two of Acts. Preaching. Hearing. Asking what to do. Told what to do. (Acts 2:37,38) Repent and be baptized. . . 
       
      The U.S.A. allowed a Muslim to lead the nation extremely poorly for four years and then a slight majority voted to let him work another four years at ruining us. Among other things, Obama wants to take away our guns. We would be foolish indeed if we agreed. Since Obama got enough votes to be retained in office despite everything he’s done against us already, is it time that patriots need to set up a new nation to continue what has been so good but is now in jeopardy from the man who was elected to lead another four disastrous years?

  • servant

    RalphZ:
    Hebrews 11:6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
     
    James 2:18  Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
     
    James 2:20  But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    Yetj works alone are in vain thus M.T.
    Great Posts— Thanks.

    • babel on

      @servant yes, the script is true, but have you ever READ and UNDERSTOOD what Yeshua (Jesus) was actually saying in Matthew 5-17 on? – You see, if you don’t want to keep God’s LAWS, – Therefore, then you do NOT belong to HIM: He was telling us all, that to have FAITH, we first have to OBEY God through the Law and from our HEARTS! Thus faith without works is dead, and works without faith is also dead. Ye of little faith who follow after idols, and show nothing but disrespect for God by keeping another day… For if you follow a mere man’s day, you made him an idol unto thyself, and break The Commandment which is the ONLY way to know what sin IS. Paul wrote a lot about that, as did John and others all through the Bible. You cannot love Yeshua, if you disobey His Father’s Laws, to mislead us all… and you cannot love The Father unless you love Yeshua (Jesus)… read again, and open your heart and mind… and remember that many men were sent by Satan… and to a large extent…  Satan…  has been successful because people trust more in men (pastors and priests) than trust and Obey God! – Try reading other christian websites that are CLOSER to God than many so called “Christian” churches! – (If they worship on the 1st day of the week, they disobey God, and have no real FAITH or Works in Him, and God ignores them, but Satan plays games with them)… AND SO, we are all in this situation because the majority of people are ignorant of HIS WAYS! And many don’t really WANT His Ways! – Just like NOAH’s relatives behaved, just before the FLOOD!… we can float or sink, but it IS our choice God wants, not an enforced captive!… YOUR CHOICE….?

      • servant

        BABEL ON:  YUP! Gen2:1-3 is right next to the beginning [=Genesis] and knowing the meanings of the word, SANCTIFIED, set apart for a Holy purpose, means one does not need to read to far into God’s Word to know that the Seventh-day is HIS Special day, set apart as our Memorial to Him and HIS Creation.
        Like you I do not want to be on the “WET” side of the Ark! Since before the foundations of earth were laid, Christ became our ARK, and at His return He will take us with Him to be with the Father and our Savior for ever!
        The choice is up to each one, to chose, either life or death, as both shall be eternal!
        Great Post , Thanks

        • downenray

          @servant You are surely right that the seventh day of each week was a day God called His nation to refrain from work and to remain in their homes. Jesus, a Jew by birth, kept the sabbath day holy and yet did not accept all the rules men had made concerning the sabbath. Those who became disciples of Jesus after His resurrection are never once found observing the sabbath. On the 1st day of the week, they gathered for mutual edification and to express their thanks to God for His goodness. But apostles, led by the Spirit of Jesus, made no rules concerning not working on Sunday. This makes the day quite different from the sabbath when no work was permitted for Jews. 
           
          Christians were won when they heard the gospel, and the gospel was preached first to poor folks and slaves. Slaves responded in great numbers. Slaves had to work seven days every week. Christian meetings were held after the day’s work was done. The apostles were empowered to lead the church. No apostle suggested that Christians were to be Sabbatarians. They encouraged assembling, but didn’t specify when meetings must be held. The meetings we read about were held in the evening on the first day of the week. Christians were never told by apostles that they should not work on Saturdays. There’s no record in the apostolic writing of any Christian ever observing a sabbath rest.
           
          This nation faces perilous times. Some have been put in power who are enemies rather than protectors of liberty. What can we do to preserve our nation? The only option might seem to be for some who love the U.S.A. to leave the U.S.A. and set up a nation which will restore what made this nation great, reliance on the Constitution as written by those who loved liberty and established the U.S.A.

        • servant

          @downenray So do I understand you correctly Ray, that by your words all of God’s Scriptural texts, concerning His wishes for our corporate meetings on the Sabbath 7th day to worship Him, is made null and void?
          And where my friend can I find within the forth Commandment a P.S that say “Go ahead and change this day I you want to?”
          I have not ever read within any of God’s Commandments even ONE Commandment of men have YOU?
          Why is it that all other 8 or 9 are held up but the 4th forget it! Satan’s very happy with all who worship on the day of the SUN god, because he’s sifted all those who do and yet know better! Those who do so in ignorance are in God’s hands.
           
          Ezekiel 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
           
          This last verse is the why of my efforts!
          Because all are worth it, in my mind.

        • downenray

          @servant Some realize that the Old Testament law was “nailed to the cross.” We do not live under law. The instructions for Christ’s church are found in the New Testament. Not one word about sabbath-keeping is found in apostolic writings relating to God’s church on earth except to say it’s not any part of the Lord’s Way. Sabbath-keeping was part of the law which some tried to bind on Christians. Acts 15 speak to the apostolic findings about what to bring forward into the church age things of the law of Moses. The examples we find of early Christians meeting together were on Sunday. No mention of observing the sabbath is found in apostolic teaching. But clear REJECTION of all parts of Old Testament law is stated. 
           
          You assume that the Ten Commandments were observed by early Christians. But there is no mention of such a thing in the inspired writings of that day. You will do well to warn others of not obeying the gospel. In 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 Paul makes clear that only those will be saved who DO obey the gospel. We are not Jews. We do not live under the Mosaic Law. Jesus is our Lord. We love and obey HIM. And we do well to love one another as He calls for us to do, and to teach “the gospel” to all. Obama would do well to hear and heed the gospel of Jesus Christ, who alone can save from sin. Obama was early taught the Koran. He still believes it. He is not a Christian, as is made clear by his acceptance of unnatural sexual practice.

  • oldgreyandugly

    I was under the impression that this side was for discussing our immediate problem about gun control… not religion.

    • Evermyrtle

      @oldgreyandugly Do you have a problem with reading about GOD?? If it were not for HIM we would have no guns, nor anything else. If you don’ like it ,Grandfather don’t read it.
                                                                        Another olgreyandugly

    • downenray

      @oldgreyandugly You are right, of course. But several of us are very interested also in things not of this world. THIS blog is not the place where we should be instructing one another about other things than political. Obama is charming and a skillful liar. His aim is obviously the ruin of the U.S.A. A step toward a takeover by enemies is the disarming of our citizens. He wants us disarmed!

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    carlstephinson, AND what GOD do you beleive in, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRYCHAMBERS, only an ATHEIST, would not to talk about JESUS CHRIST, is that the case here, LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN One big problem with some Christians, and no I am not talking about you, they know it all, there is no way that they can make a mistake. I am always willing to listen to other people’s beliefs, likely I won’t swallow them but I will listen. They seem to think, “There ain’t no way tha i can be wrong because the one who taught has got the facts I know you have the one, “Once saved always saved. Backsliding? Forget it.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN In case, someone on this site thinks I am referring to them forget it a” know it all relative” has just tried to get me straightened out. She doesn’t like to blog, we are above blogging, she says. Oh well, she may be in for a surprise.

      • babel on

        @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN I think not one church keeping Constantine’s rule of 231AD which ushered in the law that eventually caused “The Mark of The Beast” (The opposite to God’s MARK in Exodus 20) to arise, has ever actually read and understood what Yeshua (Jesus) was saying in Matthew 5 -17 onwards. Either that, or they deliberately avoid it for some reason. probably exactly what the sun-worshiping Neo-Christian successors of Constantine really wanted anyhow.

        • servant

          @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN  YUP! but it’s much easier to see who serves whom, just by the Mark of the Beast, as– SUN—worship day, or worship on God’ s Sabbath/Saturday, each is plainly visible right?
          Question: Obey we should but whom God or men?
          Answer: Only God saves, men or man can’t even save self!
          Question 2: Why are so many denominations running at full speed to embrace Rome ecumenism where ALL human religions are of equal value?
          How much poison/error,  in a glass of water,  will kill us?
          NUFF SAID!

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant  @Evermyrtle  @LARRY NIEMAN If you don’t know, look it up in GOD’S WORD. I haven’t a clue what you are talking about!!

        • downenray

          @servant  Those who have never read the Bible book of Hebrews imagine that early Christians, taught by the apostles, observed the sabbath day as a day to assemble and worship together. Those who have learned what the apostles taught know that Christians do not observe the sabbath but do assemble on the first day of each week whenever possible in order to honor Jesus and His atoning death for our sins. He rose on the first day of the week. Those who love and serve Jesus honor Him together on the first day of each week.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle  Those who have never read the Bible book of Hebrews imagine that early Christians, taught by the apostles, observed the sabbath day as a day to assemble and worship together. Those who have learned what the apostles taught know that Christians do not observe the sabbath but do assemble on the first day of each week whenever possible in order to honor Jesus and His atoning death for our sins. He rose on the first day of the week. Those who love and serve Jesus honor Him together on the first day of each week.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle Yeah, Sunday was chosen by the Catholic Church, as far as I know without any direction from GOD. Are you a Catholic? That’s OK I don’t need to get started on the Catholic Church, Satan’s play house.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle Why do you want to ignore what the apostles of Christ taught and practiced? They did not keep the sabbath day. They did not teach Christians to keep the sabbath day. You say you do so teach. Sunday is the first day of the week. It’s the day the early church met to honor JESUS who rose from the dead. The apostles did not believe or practice as do those who demand sabbath keeping.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle What makes you think that the disciples did not worship on Saturday?. I know, because I have looked them up, many Scriptures where JESUS went to the synagogue to teach on the Sabbath. Why did it never never mention going there and doing that any day but the Sabbath?  As far as I remember there is no mention of any regular worship other than the  Sabbath .
           
          If you have any trouble finding these Scriptures I will be happy send you a list.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray I know the Sabbath Day Church and the Catholic Church are greatly at odds, about the differences in what they believe, does this have anything to do with this discussion?.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle You didn’t understand that the apostolic church didn’t begin until after the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus was a Jew. Of course HE went to the synagogues on Saturday. All Jews do and did. But the Christians did NOT conduct their assemblies in synagogues. The sabbath day has nothing to do with Christianity. We are not Jews. They should observe the sabbath. We don’t. We honor Jesus. They don’t. The two religions are different. They are not the same. Ours is based on apostolic teaching and practice. Their’s is not. Sabbath-keeping is a Jewish practice. It is not Christian.

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  Myrtle my dear friend, this is what I was talking about. You are wasting your precious time with these fruitless discusions taliking about a day that was never meant for the Church. Believe what you will but God does not hold anything against us because we don’t worship the Sabbath, you do not have to nor is it meant to be a day of worship for us or the Jew or anybody.
          Don’t get hung up on a day when everydat is a day to worship God and be thankful. What do you think Christ died for, He died to set us free. You are not under the Law so you don’t have to do any Law requirements. We look for one day, that is the day of our Lord coming to receive us unto Himself. Christ is the end of the Law for all who believe in Christ. I just hate to see you do this to yourself.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle I really am not illiterate in GOD’S WORD, I have 3 descendants who are ministers, not Catholic, but MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL and think I should be ministering to you,, instead of the other way around.
           
          I don’t recall saying what the apostles taught or did not teach, nor what days they taught on, that is not recorded in the BIBLE. I said there are many scriptures noting that JESUS CHRIST went into the synagogue to teach on the Sabbath and offered to list them for you. HE is the main one who I follow. The disciples were a little like me, they followed HIM. They did not lead HIM.  Oh yes, I have the WORD, guessing that I have read it as much or even  maybe more than you have.  Actually I have kept account of the times that I have read through and through . Of course, I know that that in itself does not mean that i know more about than you know, neither des it mean that you are capable of teaching me, anything. I am happy to discuss the WORD with anyone but  I am not ready to sit by and be lectured when I believe know  somewhere near as much as you do, possibly more that you do.  I can tell you one thing that I do not know, and that is I do not know the days that the apostles chose to teach, but would guess that it was any day that it was needed, and they were people who were seeking. I would love to know that your are believing the WORD as it is taught, but that is not up to me nor is it up to you to monitor  me.
           
          I know very little about the Catholic Church but some of what I know is a desecration to HIM. I will even discuss it with you but had rather do it here, in the public eye.  The next time we discuss it I would like to ask my questions of what you really believe.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers Dear Friend, let us just be friends and forget about discussing something that is going nowhere. I would guess that I have had just as much training as you do and have helped raise 3 pastors. We do not believe alike, and I think that neither of us will change either of our minds, and I think that is right, unless we can get a different view from the WORD, not from what somebody else may decide.. I have a very good background in the WORD OF GOD  and convinced that I am right just as you are convinced that you are right.  I do not believe that he day of worship is that important but to worship is the thing to do. This bickering over something like that is not what GOD would expect out of us .Actually I have  attended church on Sunday, most of my life in a Baptist Church but that does not mean that I think it is right.  I use the WORD as my pattern for living not the Baptist nor any minister or any leader. GOD gave me a brain and I do plan to use it to the best of my ability with HIM leading me.
           
          I cannot tell you how much i appreciate the fact that you care. That is what friends and Christian are for. 
           
          Friends, in this world are scarce and far between, and I cannot tell you how much that I appreciate you as my dear friend. We are working for the same GOD AND JESUS CHRIST AND THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
           
          MAY GOD BLESS YOU, MY FRIEND, PROBABLY THE BEST FRIEND THAT I HAVE ON THIS SITE . YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS STUCK BY ME.
           
          THANK YOU MY FRIEND.
          Myrtle Linder

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle There are none so blind as those who will not see. The Bible books which apply to the church of the Lord are those which FOLLOW the gospel accounts which tell of Jesus living on earth. It’s too bad that you are looking in the Old Testament and in the gospels to learn how the church of God should be shaped. You think you know a great deal, and the first simple truth about Christianity you don’t know. 
           
          We who love Jesus cannot admire Obama. He is a Muslim, an enemy of our liberty whose obvious aim is our destruction as a world power. We need to do all in our power to preserve the U.S.A. or as a last resort to secede from it at any cost. 
           
          I’ve suggested that anyone who wants to know what I believe should visit my web site rather than misusing this blog to instruct me with incorrect information about the Lord and His church. <http://missionoutreach.org&gt;

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle You are absolutely 100% correct!!

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle My friend God is not the author of confusion and He does not tell you one thing and tell me something different. He gives one word for us all. And as the Apostle Paul says, “we are to all speak the same thing and believe the same thing, this is not what you are telling me. It cannot and should not be that your belief is your belief and my belief is my belief, but we are to all believe what the word of God says. That’s the point you are missing. What I speak is found with out a doubt in the word of God. You are not rejecting me but rejecting what God says. You cannot teach yourself His word, you need help and He has provided it for you but you still choose to go your own way. When you do that regarless of how much good you mean you still give others the wrong message not really knowing what your saying is Bible truth. Am I arguing, no I am not. But if you know the  why is it that you don’t just speak the truth. We are held accountable for what we say. So I’m urging you to be careful. How many years you’ve studied the Bible mean nothing if you have never learned the true knowledge of God. A wise man will receive instruction. Be careful love.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @Evermyrtle You are right,one of us is not understanding HIS message, we need to understand that he is not dogmatic, either. As one song that I have heard in my life says, You got to know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. We need all to look carefully at what we believe and just as important where the information or the misinformation is coming from. Mine is come straight from the WORD OF GOD. It sound to me like that you may be listening to some other person’s word instead that of GOD. Be very careful about that. We do not force anybody to believe our ways, each of us have to choose our own way we can instruct, we can advise, that is all we can do. We must understand You are trying to persuade me and I am trying to persuade you and both love GOD and must believe what HE gives us.  we do not force our opinions on other people.GOD give us that choice. We do have to have others to discuss HIS WORD with, but we must be very careful what we swallow, sometime the huge evil looks very much like the truth and we can be fooled.

        • servant

          @downenray AND YOU GOT THIS FROM CHAPTER AND VERSE????
          History tells all who care too read it that this comes from Constantine the roman Emperor’s degree in 321AD, calling for work on Saturdays/Sabbaths to Sunday as a fest day in honor of the Venerable day of Sun! When he gave up his western empire seat to the Bishop of the Church in Rome, they never bothered to change it!
          Now Ray you and I have had a nice discussion on Matt24 right?  well you spoke of this being fact in 70Ad when Rome destroyed the nation, then PLEASE explain the why of his saying….> about 30 years before the fact…>
          Matthew 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: and with this…  .
          Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.    or this…>

        • servant

          @downenray We have more than one turn about Mat.24, right? Then explain these facts !. Christ was/is a Jew, right? He as His custom was when to the Temple on the Sabbath and stood up to read, {worshiped}…>&
          You held this was the AD70 destruction on the Jewish nation, so did Jesus say this…>
          Matthew 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Sabbath day still in observance some 30+ years after the Cross? or….>
          Hebrews 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
          Right from your Hebrews chapter!
           
          Question who wrote, on stone for eternal permanence, and with His own finger the Ten Commandments, {no not suggestions!}
          Then read please Gen 2:1-3 and Exodus 20 8-11 and then this…>
          Leviticus 19:30  Ye shall keep my Sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. {Whose Sabbaths???]
          Mark 2:28  Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
          So ray whom do YOU serve God or man? Because man made the change if you care to read who and why Read Dan 7 and note vs 23-28!
           
          The next verse time frame is during the 1,000 years with Christ.
          Isaiah 66:23  And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
          Now would it make sense, to have worship first of Saturday Sabbaths, then move it to the first day, and then with Christ in heaven, we all go back to the Seventh day again? The Seventh day as God’s Memorial to His Creation Powers, and for us no not forget, that’s why the 4th begins as no other “REMEMBER the Sabbath
           
          Matthew 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
          Be not deceived my friend, never ever take the words of men, not even thin one, for the Word of God, learn that for self!

        • servant

          @downenray From the Saint Catherine’ s Catholic Church Sentinel
          May 21, 1995 1106 St. Clair Blvd, Algonac, Michigan 48001
          “Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first Century. the Holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday”. “The day of the Lord” [Dies Dominican] was chosen, not from any direction noted in the scriptures, but from the Churches sense of its own power, The day of the resurrection, the the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would become the new Sabbath. People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.”
          The above is a verbatim quote, so Ray will willingly, follow the the dictates of men or those of God? The choice is yours, of course, I’ll stay with Christ! He who can save!
          Can these men save you? Sorry no, they cant even save themselves as….>
           
           
          2 Thessalonians 2:8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant  @downenray I wonder why we, as GOD’S children feel like we mus be so, unchristian, ridiculing, and abrasive in our answers to people who do not believe as we do. I have always heard you can win more people with sugar than with salt. With this attitude we can win nobody for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. If we want to appear as Christian we are losing the battle. We look like “know-it all jerks.”

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  Any Bible student who doesn’t realize the difference between the Old and the New Testaments will never understand God’s teaching correctly. In Acts 15, Luke describes a conference of early CHURCH leaders who discussed what was to be brought forward from the Old Covenant into the New. Anyone who supposes we are to find Christian teaching in the Old Testament just hasn’t read and understood apostolic writings. This became a major problem early in church history. Luke tells us what the church leaders decided. Why would anyone think they know more than the apostles and elders in Jerusalem were led to know? 
           
          Does anyone think that Obama has the best interests of the U.S.A. at heart to cause him to do what he does? It’s clear that his intention is to ruin our economy. He’s very close to succeeding.

        • downenray

          @servant Jesus clearly warned about the destruction that was in store for Jerusalem and its temple. That God had to make changes in His dealing with men is obvious. How does that work with “I change not”? He is unchanging. He is God. But did He deal with Abraham the same way He dealt with Moses? Did he deal with each of the later kings in exactly the same way? Of course not. He didn’t change. But the things He said and did had to change depending on what particular people said and did. Matthew 24:20 prepares for the 70 A.D. revolution and its settling by Roman soldiers. It has nothing to do with any other time. 
           
          I know of no prophecies concerning the U.S.A. in the Bible. I read in Revelation concerning a great battle which will be fought near Jerusalem some day. Perhaps very soon. Who knows? Jesus didn’t speak about that, but did reveal things about it to John. We read in that prophetic book of amazing things which are to happen. After they have happened, we’re apt to be able to see how the prophecies were fulfilled. Meanwhile, we need to preserve our nation if we can. One of our enemies is now our commander-in-chief.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle Some think they know a great deal when they know mostly things that are not true. We today are to serve Jesus if we seek eternal life. Keeping the Jewish law does not make anyone into a Christian. Jesus says what is needed is a new birth of water and spirit if we do indeed want to enter HIS Kingdom.
           
          You look in the Old Testament scriptures for instructions for Christians. But what is IN the Old Testament is instruction for living as a part of the family of Israel. Every instruction for living a Christian life is in apostolic writings. And the gospels tell of what Jesus said and did while on earth. Yet His church was begun AFTER His death and resurrection and ascension.
           
          The instructions for CHRISTIAN living are in the books which follow the gospels in our New Testament. What you know is how to live as a Jew. But Jesus saves those who turn to HIM for salvation. No one could keep the Mosaic Law perfectly. Jesus saves. 
           
          Obama knows how to lie well. He is sly and determined to ruin the U.S.A. We need to get him out of office if we expect the nation to survive.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray The best place to start getting things right and and in order, is turn you eyes on yourself. I read and accept the entire Bible as the truth and applicable to life today. In fact, and this is not exaggeration i have read the Bible through and through 14 times that I have kept records, beside all the other reading I have done in it. And before you jump and make some smart remark about how that does prove a thing, I do realize that. I am a sinner, How about you, are you perfect or are you. too a sinner.? If you say that you have no sin, HIS WORD says you lie and the truth is not in you
           
          Do you have any time to do any deep Bible study, do you have time to do this after you have told a number of people who you have no idea what they believe, how stupid they are for what they believe or don’t believe?. Let me give you a little advice from a 83 year old lady., “bring your self into perfection” before you start on others. Another thing, it is impossible for self righteousness to save you. just one more thing  you do not understand what other people are saying, and do not have a clue  what we  believe. You need to get yourself into line before you start on us.
           
          You just reach out of the dark and grab people, knowing nothing at all about us and stare lecturing us. Take of yourself before you  start on us.
           
          I have three descendants who are doing a good enough keeping me straight, so save yourself a lot of time and good will, and try to live the life that is laid down in HIS WORD before you start on others.RD,

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle Myrtle, you sure are proud of yourself. As are your three sons, I’m sure. You’ve done well to have three sons who serve Jesus as preachers. Good for you! What you know about the Bible is less than you suppose. No one can understand the Bible if they assume every page has the same function and is equally applicable to serving Jesus. You base your teaching on the Old Testament. The apostles taught about Jesus, who is never mentioned by name in the Old Testament. And the apostles made clear that the Way of Jesus is NOT following the Mosaic Law. 
           
          The law is no longer in effect. We learn from the apostles how Jesus wants us to live and speak. And the apostolic writings are all in the New Testament. God spoke to His people through prophets and through Moses long years ago. He NOW speaks through His SON. Entering the kingdom of the Son of God is by hearing the gospel and obeying it. It’s not by keeping the ten commandments. The ten commandments are never mentioned in apostolic teaching to Christians. But good morals ARE taught to Christians, and are expected of Christians. We need to study the NEW Testament carefully if we seek to be saved by Jesus.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle You are a pious hypocrite not worth of the bother, to even answer.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray You are a pious self righteous hypocrite, that is too simple to understand that there are other people that know the scriptures. You jump out of the dark and attack anyone that mentions GOD OR JESUS CHRIST. 
          Somebody needs to tell you that they are ours,too. You do not seem to know this. and you really are not JESUS CHRIST., who can read our very thoughts.

        • downenray

          @Evermyrtle I’m sure your loving remarks will lead many to want to also join the family of God. That IS your hope, no doubt.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray Yeah like your self righteous accusations!!! Which are down right lies. The WORD OF GOD says “Thu shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray You dare call someone else “PROUD” You think you can walk on water. Try it sometime!

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray Could I be as proud of my children as you are of your self?

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @Evermyrtle Oh yes indeed, you are a Catholic because that is where that Sunday was decided the right to worship, and the whole have followed blindly. I knew that i had read that somewhere!Thank you, that explains it. !

    • LarryChambers

      @LARRY NIEMAN Why is it nobody seems to understand what I mean by good Christian conduct and improper Christian behavior? I’m only talking about the arguements, the boasting and all the things we are instructed by the Apostle Paul not to do. I’m concerned about those who seek answers to the truth, about those who may well want to become Christians. If they see us arguing and fighting and acusing and boasting what is there to interest them in the gospel. Will we not have done a dis-service to Christ? If we are going to present Christ to the world lets do it in Spirit and truth with the correct knowledge and understanding of the word of God. This is what I’m saying. Please do not take the misguided notion that I would ever push God to the side in any fashion. But I will not engage or entertain or invite anyone, or involve myself in anymore fruitless discusions. I hope and pray I have brought clarity to where I stand on this matter. May God bless you and keep you in Christ, may you stay filled with the Spirit, in Christ’s name I pray and ask these things, amen.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LarryChambers  @LARRY NIEMAN Good Morning, Old Buddy. You know GOD does not tell us to convince anybody, we only have to speak the WORD. It is up to those you tell whether they believe or not, your job is done. It makes no difference how long one teaches, we all who love GOD and studies HIS WORD, there will be different interpretations,and different natures to people, it cannot be helped. Don’t worry about it. Some of us feel like it is our duty to get the message across,other think it is right to tell it an then forget it.  As individuals we each must do what GOD leads us to do and speak when we think this is HIS will for us. Sometime when I fail to get my point across and a person is lost, I wonder if there was something else I could have done, or said. You are doing wonderful job of ministering but you have to allow others to make their own decisions, right or wrong. I am a person that really digs in and won’t give up, especially if  I am ministering to those i know and love, I can’t give up, that is the way GOD made me and no two of us were made identical. My two identical twin nieces are not identical in nature and opinions  Have a great and GOD BLESS YOU AND GIVE YOU ALL THE YOU NEED TO WITNESS FOR HIM. MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE LOVE YOU, AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    that’s right evermyrtle, I AM PROUD to be a CHRISTIAN, i know that GOD is with me all of the time, i can depend on GOD to get me through the hard times, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

  • babel on

    Ummm… we are ONLY God’s PEOPLE if we OBEY God! – If we don’t obey, we don’t RESPECT or LOVE God, but the exact OPPOSITE. The 2nd. Law tells us what happens if we “HATE” God (or dis-obey, dis-honour, dis-believe,  or  generally “DISS” everything that God requires of us as HIS people.  HE requires that we simply obey the simple RULES He gave to ADAM verbally (as representing Mankind), and MOSES in  writing on stone. It IS our choice, to belong or not… And to think that we can have FAITH without substance of LAWS or RULES is just plain stupid, even Jesus warned us against that in Matthew 5; 17etc. And Paul discussed the pros and cons, ending up in a summary that said plainly that the Law was “JUST and GOOD…” While JOHN wrote about God not bothering to even listen to the very PRAYERS of those who refuse to obey…. as HE does not even RECOGNISE them… NOW, they  are HARD words indeed, and it is really surprising that those churches who are in BABYLON, have not repented as requested so far, but argue against Jesus’ very words!…. and so we have ALL this trouble in the World, because we don’t seem to give a real damn! – And so any real true tryer for The Christ who has not conformed to Jesus WORDS, must suffer the anguish of being LEFT BEHIND when Jesus is asked to return! WE MUST ENSURE THAT WE BELONG OR NOT! — so, repent of errors, and follow the trail that the Holy Spirit will show after the fact of this letter; He will show you the way and life… But many frauds calling themselves Pastors WILL try to distract you from God’s truth… because they follow Satan’s ways instead, and ignore God, except to mouth some convenient words to keep you in  pews and paying money! – AND getting you to vote for any candidate that bribes them!

    • servant

      Babel on: AMEN!
      Mark 7:9  And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
      World’s biggest church, in membership, has publicly stated that they rest their doctrines on Church traditions first and the Bible second!
      Guess that means they put self ahead of God, right? Is the reason for this…>
      2 Thessalonians 2:3-4  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
      Question: how much poison/error in a glass of water will kill us?

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRYCHAMBERS, YES, i beleive you make your self clear, and this is hard to discribe to some people, but GOD knows wour mind, and we all try to help each other, i try to let people KNOW that i am a CHRISTIAN, and i try to explain this to ATHEIST as well, and they can not understand why they can not understand the HOLY BIBLE, well to understand the BOOK OF TRUTH, you must put your trust in GOD, and his son JESUS CHRIST, and then you need to be BAPTISED , and then with BELIEF, you can learn and be taught the HOLY BIBLE, going to church also helps, and SUNDAY SCHOOL, and BIBLE STUDY, helps also, BUT you will be AMAISED at what you can do, when you really BELEIVE,   FAITH can move MOUNTAINS, WHEN JESUS CHRIST ”WALKED ON WATER” this was done on ”FAITH”, thank you LARRY NIEMAN   [email protected]

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Good morning Larry, good to hear, already today. You post is very well spoken, relating the truth of GOD AND HIS WORD. i do love to read post like this one. It is seldom that a person dares to tell it like it is.
       
       Another point that tI like to harp on is those people who dare to try, to make certain parts of THE WORD null an void Thank you. Love, Myrtle

  • JohnnieFay

    My question is completely off the subject,  but I am hopping someone has the answer or can direct me in how to get it…Question;  On 1/15/13   Dr. O. Taitz   was to be heard by  C.J. Roberts of the S.C.  and present her documentation  on the many fraudulent actions taken by president Obama,  his list of SS#’s among other things…I have neither seen or heard anything about what happened….Does anyone have information on this subject????????   Help,  and thanks

    • knussel

      @JohnnieFay Remember,neither of the media outlets will report on Obama’s falsified documents.They are NOT allowed to.by order of the Dictator

    • braveheart 1

      @JohnnieFay I do know Orly Taitz has been steadfstly committed to exposing obama for the FRAUD he is. Don’t know how she made out on the 15th with Chief Justice Roberts, but I know they have stalled her long enough. As Justice Thomas stated a couple years ago, they was going to avoid or stall the eligibility issue on obama.
       
      I do know Dr. Orly Taitz will be protesting in front of the White House on Jan. 20th between 10:00 AM and 4:00 PM. She will also be protesting in front of the Supreme Court on the 21st from 10:00 AM till ?
      I hope millions show up to support her. This may very well be our last chance for a peaceful demonstration in our nations capital!!!!!!!!!

  • servant

    Evermyrtle;   DENOMINATION: a very interesting word, especially taking it to its root meaning from most large dictionaries. From to divide, [as in denominator] Now I ask all who is ever trying to divide men from God?  Who but old Slew-foot Satan the serpent the dragon the Devil the ruler of this earth!
     
    An open Question to all: How many having read God Law {EXODUS 20}  and found therein “THE COMMANDMENTS OF ME”?  Then why is it so difficult for most to ignore Gen 2:1-3 and Exodus 8-11? why do so many worship on the VENERABLE DAY OF THE SUN, AS per degree of Constantine in 321 A.D ???? jb

    • Evermyrtle

      @servant As far as I remember, the post has disappeared, I was talking about Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian. That is all I can tell you, make of it what ever you wish. You are the one worrying about,  I do not feel like a fight, nor answering any “Holier Than Thou” questions.

      • servant

        @Evermyrtle  WOW! Where did that chip come from?
        The Bible and the Bible only is my source, via the unctions of the Holy Spirit!

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant  @Evermyrtle Well, you can only decide for your self, those who  choose Baptist, Methodist, or other, are exercising their right, just as you are.. I believe that they all of them  do teach the Bible. Many are Christians. It is not your choice or my choice what church anyone goes to  except our own selves. The choice is there whether or not you like it. I do not believe that GOD cares one snap about the name of the church or which “denomination” we belong to, HE look at the heart, not at the name of the church, whether you know it or not. Holy-er than thou does nothing for you in GOD’S sight.

        • downenray

          @servant  Careful study of the book of Acts will reveal to any reader how the gospel of Jesus Christ is taught and converts are made to Him. The gospel is the story of JESUS rather than of Moses. Christians are disciples of Jesus Christ. The apostles didn’t try to teach sinners how to be saved by going to Genesis or Exodus. They taught and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. We do well to follow their example. Some Adventists teach the Mosaic Law and seek converts. The apostles taught and preached about Jesus and invited sinners to save themselves by obeying the gospel rather than by keeping ten commandments. And not once are we told that they set aside Saturday as a special day for followers of Jesus Christ. Because Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, early Christians met on Sundays and encouraged one another while remembering the atoning death of Jesus.

        • servant

          @Evermyrtle John 10:27  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
          You must admit, there are a great many doctrinal  differences between them, and not all find a perfect fit within Scriptures or the 4th Commandment would be observed by all Gen2:1-3. Many a day matter not then look…>
          Leviticus 19:3  Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.[used 17x total in OT]
          Matthew 12:8  For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
          [used 3x in the N.T.}
          This in but the most visible, yet I know God will have His from all denominations, as HE, unlike man,  judges us only to the amount of light/truth each has received! Men say "Ignorance of the law is no defense nor excuse.
          As for you post about seeking 4giveness here's where I stand...>
          Matthew 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
          1 Timothy 2:5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
          I stand with 2 Cor. 2, and will not play as this kingdom  of Rev 13 the Little Horn has provided Satan an earthly throne and is so worshiped by them! Just look at all the hidden in plain site all the occult signs in their Cathedrals!
          Or the "Gay wedding" by the biggest edifice in D.C. of another Denomination, which root meaning found in any Colegiate4 dictionary as to divide { from denominator] Please u8nderstand that Revelations points our but two camps of people, those who follow the Commandments of God, and those who follow the commandments of men! Can’t buy nor sell, unless one obeys men, right? who but men changed the day of worship?
          Dan7:25.
          Now is our Father that particular? ask Abihuw and his brother! Lev.10:1 & Num. 26:61

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant  @Evermyrtle I have not study the doctrines of any of them. I do not go by what a church teaches, no matter which one it is, I study  and live but THE WORD OF GOD. I am absolutely sure that every church is similar to me, imperfect;. I also know that most of them can point out the faults of all churches but their own. My Mom used to say “Every rooster will crow for his own pen.” I also know that there are some which so obviously do not preach the truth. If you insist I will mention them later and note the things that I cannot accept. There is one of these, that does not push their religion but the other one tries to force it on all who will listen. I will not listen. We have excellent teacher in our churches, I do not need to go out to find one.

        • downenray

          @servant  It would be good if we all realized that Christians are to live for Jesus as their worship. Apostles did not call for worship to be performed as rituals or ceremonies, but as lives dedicated to serving in the name of Jesus. For Christians, there is no “day of worship.” Every day is a day to worship Jesus by serving in His name those loved by Him. 
           
          Those who imagine that every sabbath (seventh) day is a day for worship have to pretend that Jews were told to worship on the sabbath day. But rather than worshiping on the sabbath, they were commanded to REST. As God rested. No work. No travel. And equally absent is any apostolic call for Christians to worship on any day of the week. The examples we see of them meeting was always on the first day of the week. But their assemblies were not ever described as being for worship. 
           
          The Bible verse which describes what Christians did when they assembled speaks of them seeking to edify one another. 1 Corinthians 14:26. Nothing said about worship. It was mutual edification for which they were to meet together. Can anyone point to even one example of Christians in the apostolic age assembling in order to join in worship? Did any apostle call for Christians to assemble for worship? Assemble, yes. Getting together was encouraged. And each had a word to help others. Or a song to sing to the others. Isn’t that what Paul says was what they did together?

        • servant

          @Evermyrtle Back in 1995 when I went to my knees to ask God to teach me His way rather than my way [in the which I messed up] I look at many Churches and read their doctrines, and found few adhered or fit within Scripture, but one, that one I joined a few years latter, and have not found anything that does not fit within God’s Word. But I do not think that Heaven will be set and split into denominations to do?
          Ephesians 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
           
          Does this mean to you what  what it says?  Rev.12:17 should be the watchword for all churches.

    • downenray

      @servant The apostles said not one word about Christians worshiping together on any particular day or ever until we’re together in Heaven. Early Christians met to encourage one another and to exhort one another (1 Corinthians 14:26). They ate together, and included wine and bread in honor of Jesus and remembering His atoning death. They shared their possessions, giving to those who had need. They had no priests, for all Christians ARE priests, fully qualified to pray and to serve Jesus in any way. Since Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, they tried to meet on Sundays whenever possible. But “worship” is how they lived rather than sharing in particular ceremonies or rituals at particular times in particular places. God instructed Jews (sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) to set aside Saturdays as a day to do no work but to remember the God who rested on the seventh day from creating our universe. 
       
      The most important event Christians remember and honor is the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. He rose on the first day of the week. Early Christians are reported to have met together and eaten together on Sundays, at which time they shared in a meal of remembrance and loved one another and exhorted one another. Patriots in particular honor the 4th of July celebration of our freedom, with other days also set aside each year for patriotic celebrations and dedications. If we do not respect our flag and our nation, will we not lose them? Patriots do not want this nation to provide armaments to enemies of liberty or to assist them in any way. Islam is an enemy of liberty.

      • servant

        @downenray Sorry friend , I see you wear glasses please clean them before reading scripture, and take note…>
        Luke 4:14-16  And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
        You seem to follow the 12, but THEY followed Jesus and HE worshiped in the Temple [corporately] on the Sabbath the Seventh day! {Gen2:1-3-Exodus 20:8-11]
        2 Thessalonians 2:2-4  That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
         
        Daniel 7:24-26  And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
        Who is this power, it has been known for nearly 2,000 years yet most do not know it! Of coursde most still do not think Satan is real either, so?

      • servant

        @downenray Mark 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
        The word worship is used 47 times in the KJB, and the 12 all taught in the Temple each Sabbath! Please Ray be as the Bereans!
        Pray and study for your self instead of being a parrot for the men who are mostly ONE VERSE Prezchers, one or two verses of God and then and 1/2 or more of their own hot air!
        I Hope the Holy Spirit will show you the way of God’s Truth!

  • servant

    Dowenray: U: frequency is not spoken off? then please read and reconsider.
     
    Mark 13:8  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
    This is a verse, parallel to Matt 24 ‘s woes. Please not that in the  Greek this word SORROWS # 5604 = 3601 in Strong’s, means– A PANG OR THROES ESPECIALLY OF CHILDBIRTH, thus in child birth labor pains become more frequently and more intense as the birth nears!
    Seek and ye shall find, Knock and the door will be opened!
    May God bless they & thine.
    jb

    • downenray

      @servant Note the many parables of Jesus regarding the “master” going away and later returning. In each case, Jesus points out that there will be no warnings that the return is imminent. The return of Jesus to this earth will not be a time of “sorrows” except to the ones who have not expected His return and prepared. 
       
      This nation will be sorry that they let Obama ruin our economy by them believing the promises made by Obama. He’s kept none of his prmises except that he would change things. He promised openness. He promised more jobs. He promised prosperity. We’ve received the opposite. Words are cheap. He talks well. His actions are the reverse of his promises. Obama arms our enemies, using tax-payers money to do so.

      • servant

        @downenray Revelation 9:15  And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
        Matthew 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
        Matthew 24:32-35  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
        Yes none know yet we can rest in the hope that it has never been this close, right? Yet…Colossians 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
        WHY? Because Rev 13 MUST happen as all Scripture shall be fulfilled! When Ray {Yes I know your ideas of the O.T} but what happened to Egypt when it forced the children of Israel,to work on HIS Sabbath? The 10 Plagues hit, just as they will again when Sunday Law become Federal Law! SELAH  {meaning think and chew on that for a while… Found in a few of the Psalms.ile (Chew the cud)]

        • downenray

          @servant It would be good for everyone to realize that the plagues on Egypt were not sent as a result of Israelites being forced to work on the sabbath. The plagues were because God wanted His “family” free and in their own land in preparation for the sending of the Messiah.
           
          We now await the return of the Master, at which time this earth will be destroyed and all who are “the saved” will be brought into the New Jerusalem in an entirely new universe with no sun or stars. No night there. The lamb is the light and sleep is not needed. Meanwhile, here, we are to tell others about Jesus and serve and love others while we await the return of Jesus to this earth.

        • servant

          @downenray  OMG Ray do you actually believe the stuff you print? Or are so so blinded by Rome that all you can spout is their garbage ideas please Turn to Dan and Revelations each as an over lay for the other and take note of rev 13 and Dan 4-9 and the little horn is ID 12 different ways each one points to only one nation the Vatican
          As the plaques I say they began due to forced labor on HIS Sabbath and not the result STOP TWISTING THINGS!

        • downenray

          @servant I point out that the slavery of Jews in Egypt wasn’t just that they had to work on sabbath days. It was every-day slavery. And that’s what God rescued them from in order to put in place the nation He planned from which His Messiah would come. Of course slaves had to work every day of the week. The sabbath had nothing to do with the slavery from which God rescued His people. And it has nothing to do with the Way of Christ. 
           
          We resent Obama’s support of Islam throughout the mid-east. We refuse to believe any weapon is responsible for misuse of weapons. They are simply tools which may be used for good or evil. We believe that citizens in this nation have the right to arm themselves in order to defend their homes and cities. Obama thinks not. He is one of our enemies.

        • downenray

          @servant Of course I believe what I teach and affirm. I point out what the apostolic writings say. This has nothing to do with Rome and the papacy. It’s what the apostles who were led into all truth teach. I don’t go back to Daniel or try to match it with the revelation given to John. Church doctrine is not found in the Old Testament or in the Revelation. It’s found in writings to the church of God on earth who were being instructed in the Way of Jesus. The sabbath was to be observed by Jews. There’s no record of any apostle ever instructing Christians to observe the sabbath in any way at all. The record instead shows that the early church chose to assemble on the Lord’s Day, which is the first day of the week. 
           
          As for God’s rescuing the children of Israel from Egypt, you figure God didn’t care that they were slaves who had to work every day but He called them out of Egypt because there it had become necessary for them to work on the sabbath day. That’s an amazing way to look at God’s plans and purposes. And totally wrong. 
           
          That Obama diverts tax income to support our enemies is tragic. We have an enemy in the White House. We need to act to replace him as our leader. It may be that our only recourse is to leave the U.S.A. and set up a nation which seeks to honor the Constitution no longer respected by some of our leaders.

        • http://whenthefatmamspeaks.com/ gary jones

          @downenray  @servant If you left the USA where in the world would you find this place downenray? Your rapped up to much in your religion to see that too many have fought and died for our country and freedoms. The USA have fought to free other people from tyrants, tyrannical governments on foreign soil. Anything in life that is right is worth fighting for and especially on home soil.  was born free and will die free, Obama is stupid because he thinks he is ruling through government tyranny but the people will show him bars or the grave before he takes Our rights or freedoms. We are not the wimps in Congress and the Senate. .

        • servant

          @downenray Ray STOP IT! Stop twisting my word, as I have for some time now printed out both yours and my comments, as I see what you do, you twist the Word just as much as Satan does!
          You claim to be a student of the Gospels great, so study what SHALL be with the false teachers and false prophets, alike, for their “Strange” {from the OT] teachings
          Oh by the way seeing as you dismiss the entire O.T. where do you stand on Genesis 1 and 2? If in my book one does not believe the first two chapters of God’s Book, yet that one expects us to believe he believes in the rest of the Book?
          The  U R ready my friend  for  Satan has already put his fork in you and pronounced you cooked and ready!

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRY , YOU are looking at this in a PHYSICAL manner? i think. while he is talking ablut a SRERIATUAL belief, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    DONARAY. OBAMA is ARMING his MUSLIM BROTHER HOOD, while  TRYING to DIS-ARM the american citizen, YES, OBAMA , is not on our side, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    LARRY CHAMBERS, THIS IS RIGHT, we can and should pray and worship, every day, and WE are the CHURCH, I THANK GOD EVERY MORNING WHEN I WAKE UP, i know it is going to be a wonder full day, because i am going to make it , the best day of the rest of my life , ”here on earth” AND I AM GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE AWARE OF JESUS CHRIST, so thank you and have a GOD filled day, LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Thank you, Larry. This should be the aim of every Christian in the world but in America, it is more important now, that ever before in one respect, if we don’t do this we are going under. This is so necessary for the upcoming event  to succeed. You do have my prayers.I’ll always remember your fight is this last chance for America. It is in GOD’S hands, where it belongs. My love and prayers for all of you who are fighting this battle.

  • downenray

    It’s good that Carl seeks to comment about the study which should be our subject. Freedom is at risk. Obama is a Muslim, using our national credit to give gifts to the Muslim Brotherhood. How can this be stopped? The election should have done it. It didn’t. What can we do now?

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    DOWNENRAY, we are headed for a CIVIL WAR, I just watched on FOX NEWS, that OBAMA  does not want to use the HOLY BIBLE to place his left hand on to take the oath for PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES, this takes place MON. EVENING. so i just wonder what he would like to place his left hand on ???? i wonder if it could be the ”KARAN”. just a guess, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Humpfarnarkle

      @LARRY NIEMAN
      If he uses a Koran, it won’t be the first time one has been used to swear someone in.  I believe some members of congress have done it.

    • JohnnieFay

      @LARRY NIEMAN Do you recall on his first inauguration he refused ( for whatever reason) to have it done publicly  and that it was (supposedly)  done privately later on and not televised ???     What few can even say he ever swore an oath to the US??   Big Question??    Can we even trust the ones who might say he did ????

      • Evermyrtle

        @JohnnieFay  @LARRY NIEMAN You know, I remember that and we allowed him to get away with it, the beginning of his blasphemies.

    • downenray

      @LARRY NIEMAN We’ll soon see, I hope. But what I’ve heard doesn’t agree with what you’ve heard, and neither may be correct! What sorrow we should share as we see an enemy once again put into office to lead this godly nation!

      • LarryChambers

        @downenray  @LARRY NIEMAN  dowenray, read the entire chapter of Eph 3
        and that will help you understand what you do not know. You cannot learn the word of God on your own. You need a pastoe-teacher that why Christ gave them the gift of communication.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers  I’m confident that anyone who understands language can profitably read the Bible and understand it. Nonetheless, I offer rules for RIGHT reading to help understand Bible truths. Other Christians can help explain Bible truths, as you say. Jesus does not appoint a few to explain the Bible and only those can do so. But it’s obvious that some do not understand what they have read, so their explanations are off base. Jesus does not gift particular persons with a “gift of communication.” The duty of pastors (elders in the Lord’s church) is to encourage and lead and teach members of the congregation served by the pastors. 
           
          Obama speaks well. But he has lied so convincingly that many now are not thinking that anything he says is true. And others don’t realize they were duped. Obama wants this nation disarmed. Patriots will resist.

        • LarryChambers

          @downenray Are you calling the Bible a liar? What does it say in Eph 4:11-12? pay special attention to the last line of verse 11 and then go immediatly to verse 12. Very simple, very simple. God makes it simple man makes it hard for himself.

        • downenray

          @LarryChambers Ephesians chapter 4 has to do with God’s plan for His church. This includes particular leader/teachers. They will be helped by God if they choose to seek and accept His help. This does not prove that every church leader is inspired and always correct. That’s easy to say and easy to see. It also does NOT suggest that only people designated by a church can understand and teach Bible truth, which I understand to be what you are promoting. Myrtle has three sons who are preachers, she says. Are those three guaranteed they’ll always teach truth and only truth? By no means. Does every preacher speak for God in every teaching they give? I’m confident this is not the case. 
           
          No, I’m not calling the apostle Paul (Ephesians 4) a liar. Without question some are empowered by God to do His work and to lead all Christians toward the unity desired by Jesus for His church. As just one example of a church whose leaders are NOT led by God, I point to a Kansas church which thinks God calls them to protest at every military funeral. Led by God to do so? No, in no way are they acting as God directs. So let it be known that the apostle was not saying that every person who serves a church is inspired and led by the Spirit. Yet some surely are. My writing is to encourage every reader to know that THEY do not need a “pastor/teacher” to tell them what the Bible words mean. Each person can understand if they use the talents given them by God. 
           
          It’s not hard to see that Obama is an enemy of liberty and yet has been put in a position of leadership in the land of the free. We do well to not believe lies and to observe the ACTIONS of Obama rather than trusting in his words. Money and arms should not be sent by the U.S.A. to open enemies of our nation. If Obama’s administration does help arm the Muslim Brotherhood in any nation, he is responsible for evil-doing.

        • Evermyrtle

          @LarryChambers  @downenrayHow are you today Larry? I can see why you don’t want to give up but one hate to do so as long as they can show anybody the way but this man is so seated in the lies of the Bibles hard to change. They are so impressed in their own supposed wisdom that hey will not let go.

        • Evermyrtle

          @downenray  @LarryChambers You can forget that false info! You can understand HIS word with HIS blessings as HE leads you. But to do that you must pay attention to what HE is try to tell you and not try to read like you want it to be

        • LarryChambers

          @Evermyrtle  @downenray I believe he has a problem of some sort. What he’s talking about is not hard to understand. So either it is his total refusal to understand or he is not of Christ. Those who are not spiritual cannot understand spiritual things. That’s why none of his responses make any sense and it’s probably a good idea to just leave him as he is.

  • servant

    An open letter to all who think any day is A OK for worship:
    1. Then you have precious little understanding of many Books of God’ s Word esp. Isa, Dan. and Revelation or the full meaning of this verse…>
    Revelation 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    Know the dragon is Satan, and he very happy to accept your any day worship is ok ideas, as he’s all for our disobedience agree?
    2. This is a idea from Satan given to men who pushed it on Christianity and most follow this Commandment of men
    IF and only IF all this makes no difference to God, why did He personally write it in Stone for permanence?
    3. to all who say we are no longer under the law I ask why keep all the others YET IGNORE THE FORTH? WHY?
    OR IS NOW OK TO LIE TO STEAL TO MURDER, TO FORNICATE AT WILL?
    Why is that only the forth is so treated, and all the others [opps the 2nd is verbotten in Rome thus the 10th is split into 2 part] are still held to be in force????????Revelation in its  bare form tells us of but two camps of people, one obeys God the other obeys men? Guess which is which? RTev13-19
    4 have none ever wondered about the why of this verse?….>
    Revelation 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
     
    Sorry people but do not waste time “Tickling the ears” of those who only want to hear stuff and soothes them!
    The 2nd death is something I want none to receive!  Because that’s also for Satan’s end, the one and only use of the Lake of Fire!

    • downenray

      @servant You imply that only if the ten commandments are still in effect that lying and stealing and fornication would be wrong. You are wrong, of course. We who love Jesus are called to live as HE lived, to love as HE loved, and to live pure lives to the very best of our ability. But there are no ten commandments for Christians. The only one of the ten which is not also taught by the apostles is sabbath keeping. But we live for Jesus rather than according to the Mosaic Law. And Obama also claims to be a Christian. His deeds put the lie to his claim. But he actually may not know the difference between the Lord’s Way and what he heard from the preacher who wants God to damn the U.S.A. Obama’s insistence that godly people must support ungodly healthcare laws is telling that he has no concept of true Christianity.

      • servant

        @downenray So then by your own words lying ect is now OK? These ARE part of the Ten, and why think YOU they were written in stone by His own finger, if they were not to be permanent?
        Yes we are to be holy as He is holy, but He knows that we stumble and fall, all do, that why we must repent each time we fall and seek His forgiveness and do our level best not to fall again.
        As for our President the M.T. Suit, he’s dong just what he is ordered to do by those who rule this world defacto!
        Colossians 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
        Ephesians 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

        • downenray

          @servant I didn’t say that lying is O.K. Or any other thing forbidden in the particular ten commandments which formed the basis of the Mosaic Law. We are called to live like Jesus lived, to love as Jesus loved, and to always love even our enemies. Of course we seek to serve Jesus as our LORD. But the ten commandments are no part of the gospel of Christ which can save sinners. They have been replaced by a far superior moral code.

  • LarryChambers

    @JohnnieFay How low does it go? We aren’t even worthy of seeing our own leader get sworn in,
    in the usual manner. I read there was a congressman who used the koran. I suspect this will be a
    first for America. I sure would like to know what goes through the minds of his suppoters who are not in
    favor of  transforming America into  a nation of Islam. All I can say is, be prepared for anything. But keep your
    faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And again, thank you for your kind concerns, I’m healing
    rather rapidly. It’s amazing what brotherly love can do!!

    • downenray

      @LarryChambers  I fully expect Obama to use the Bible (I hear that there will be two historic Bible involved) just as he did the first time. He doesn’t mind saying anything. He does what he pleases. Most of Obama’s supporters have no idea that he is a Muslim. They don’t realize that his words mean nothing.

      • Evermyrtle

        @downenray  @LarryChambers If they don’t know it, it is because they do not want to know it. The info is out there, they only have to accept it. That is the problem they are turning a deaf ear and will not listen to the truth. Even with the biased media they should be able to tell that there is omething terribly wrong.

    • JohnnieFay

      @LarryChambers Brotherly love is a wonderful thing.  It unites God’s people across time or miles…May God’s peace and mercy keep us all in the year ahead….

      • LarryChambers

        @JohnnieFay You might read John 13:34-35, I think it speaks well of us. This is the point God wants us to grow to. Once we reach here we’ve grown to spiritual adulthood. It’s quiet a challenge but well worth it because  then you are able to see all of life through the eyes of love. May God keep you and continually bless you in Christ as you stay filled with the Spirit, in Christ’s name, amen.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    JOHNNY FAY , NO, WE CAN NOT TRUST OBAMA OR HIS CO-PARTNERS, OBAMA IS THE HIGHEST OF ALL OF THE TERRIST, and if you think that OSIMA BIN LAUDEN IS DEAD, i want to know why he was so conviently burried at sea, these people DON’T LIKE WATER, isn’t that funny,  THANK YOU larry nieman

    • downenray

      @LARRY NIEMAN I see no reason to doubt that Osama is dead. If only Obama had made that claim, I’d be very doubtful. But the raid was not by Obama’s orders and the early reports were not from HIS office, so I believe them.

  • servant

    Evermyrtle: U R absolutely right!
    The church can’t save, and the name overt door doesn’t change that period but look..>
    Revelation 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    That’s the criteria, keeping all 10 laws and the testimony {The Holy Bible} of Jesus Christ!
    But most DO NOT teach all that which is written, as it is written! The why of all these denominations?
    Ephesians 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,  Col.1:9

    • downenray

      @servant Why would any Bible student suppose that John’s word in Revelation 12:17 refers to “the 10 commandments”? God said, “Hear HIM!” referring to Jesus. That’a a commandment. And Jesus, who is God, commands that we who love Him are to carry everywhere the message about Him and are to BAPTIZE those who believe. Another commandment! But the apostles never once recommend that Christians should keep (observe, obey) the 10 Commandments of Moses Law. The Way of Jesus Christ is not based on 10 Commandments, and the apostles never once mentioned any need for CHRISTIANS to try to save themselves by keeping the ten commandments. So why do some think they ought to try to save themselves by keeping only ten commandments?

      • servant

        @downenray If you insist YOU are right,my friend, I guess God made two separated Bibles but man the fools that they are put then together as one but then please explain this verses if Jews and Christians are different in His eyes.
        Acts 17:26  And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
        Ephesians 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
        Do you not know of Daniel’s 2300 day/year prophecy in the which 390 years was given the Jews to deal with their iniquity? that ended the Nation’s salvation with the Stoning of Steven 3.5 yrs post the Cross the last 1/2 of the seven year term many believe will be man’s 2nd change at redemption!
        Satan just loves all who sleep in the tall weeds of his deceptions! Be not so deceived my friend Pray while u study Scripture and ask for the wisdom to understand what IT TELLS US not what men think it means! Afyer He is also known as the Spirit of Truth!
        Thanks and good day!

        • downenray

          @servant I can’t help knowing the truth taught by the apostles since I’ve studied them and want to believe THEM. God made clear that ONE nation was called to be a holy nation and to prepare the world for the coming of a Messiah. That ONE nation was the descendants of Jacob who was called Israel. Into the land of Israel a child was born who would change the world for the better. Only THEN would God’s people be of every blood, of every nation, rather than separated. It’s not Daniel that tells us of the Messiah. It’s Matthew, Mark, Luke and John who describe His coming and His going.
           
          Then, through twelve apostles chosen and trained and empowered by Jesus, the calling out of God’s people began. The first ten years or so, only Jews were invited and brought into the kingdom. Then God made it clear that His people would be of every nation, so Gentiles also were baptized into Christ. And Jews and Gentiles alike are now members of the body of Christ. We are made so by hearing and obeying the good news about Jesus. Acts 2:38 explains how entry is done and the promises that come to those who do obey. What was promised in the Old Testament is fulfilled in the New. We do well to hear and obey Jesus, God’s unique Son.

        • Evermyrtle

          @servant  @downenray There is no arguing with Dowen, he is a master truth twister.

        • servant

          @downenray  OK Ray I think I see your point, but look at this fact…>
          Luke 24:27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
          Luke 24:44  And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
          Please read the entire 24th chapter, and see that Christ connected the Two Witnesses as ONE!
          As of ONE BLOOD I guess you didn’t factor in Adam and Even nor Noah and his family, plus the Spiritual side that IF we accept and claim Him as our Savior, we become a child of Israel {Jacob’s new name in OT.
          Plus Christ died and Ascended some 25 years before the first book Mark was written so the O.T WAS the ONLY Scripture available to Christ and the 12, until the Holy Spirit led them to write the New!
          Plus fully more than 1/3 of Revelations are directly from the O.T
          Remember, “Let no man deceive you by any means” used 3 x in Matt 24 and referred to it 2x more in go not there and believe it not {Matt24:26}
          2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
          Galatians 3:8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
          Romans 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
          There was no contact with Egypt after the cross, so if they are as YOU say two books for two peoples, please give reason for the above verses, or this..>
          Luke 13:35  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. {Matt.23:38}
          As a nation the Jews have no salvation, but only as individuals as they come to Christ! {Messianic Jews}
          How am I wrong Ray?
          PS. Never ever take the words of men/man for the Word of God, learn that for self, with prayers asking for the wisdom to understand and properly divide His word according to HIS WILL , and NO not even this man! Isa.28:9-10. Please read Gen1,2. genesis means The Beginning.

        • downenray

          @servant You quote many passages about those used by God to prepare the way for His Son to live on earth and here die to buy pardon for repentant believers in Him who choose to obey the gospel by being baptized. You are right that Paul says “ALL scripture is inspired and profitable.” But it is also obvious that the regulations of the Old Covenant were NOT carried forward into the New Covenant. 
           
          Jesus is our Lord. The gospel is about Him rather than about Moses. Apostles of Jesus taught the early church how they should live to please God. The apostle who wrote more than any other is Paul, with Matthew and John also high on the list. Apostolic teaching is guide for us who seek to please Jesus today. The present nation of Israel is a good neighbor of the U.S.A. but is not in any way the nation “of God.” God’s people WERE Jews prior to and during the lifetime of Jesus. When the church was established, the status of Jews as being “God’s people” was lost. Now God’s people are those who serve Jesus, and this has nothing to do with who our father or mother was.
           
          Anyone can turn to Jesus and be saved by obeying His gospel. His/her antecedents don’t matter. We are each free to obey the gospel and be saved or to not obey the gospel. Only those who DO obey the gospel will be saved. No one can be saved from sin apart from obeying the gospel of Jesus.

        • servant

          @downenray I am truly sorry Ray, put I get the distinct feeling any adiscussion with you is the same as me trying to discuss the bible with a 2×4!
          You keep saying the Ten Commandments or done away in the N.T but each one is still there in the in the NEW or have you not ever found them?
          Matthew 22:37-40   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. {10 compressed into two] but each is fully written out across the gospels you so hotly contend to study!]
          So please do not think the O.T has no christian value and the N.T can’t stand by itself as nearly 1/4 of quotes from the O.T.
          Remove your man taught ideas from you!

        • downenray

          @servant A two-by-four piece of lumber is useful, but not in a Bible study except as an object which shouldn’t be in a person’s eye. I did not say the Ten Commandments were “done away in the New Testament.” I only point out that they are not repeated there or commended as the Way of Christ. Only those who turn to Jesus will enter His Kingdom and be saved. It’s possible to perfectly obey Old Testament law (except that a New Testament writer suggests no one can possibly do so) and still not be saved by Jesus. It’s by turning to JESUS that sinners can be saved. 
           
          And not one word in apostolic writing urges Christians to observe the sabbath day. Salvation is in Jesus and His Way. Old Testament laws were for one nation alone, the children of Israel commonly referred to as Jews. Christians do not live under any code of laws, even God’s law as given to the Jews. 
           
          It is simply not true that nine of the ten commandments are “still there in” apostolic teaching or practice. And for sure the one about sabbath observance is not any part of Christian experience. If we follow Jesus we do well to follow JESUS rather than Moses. And the Way of Jesus is NEW. It’s not a rehash of the OLD. The old was for Jews. The new is for all people of every race in every nation. Salvation is only in JESUS and following His teaching through His selected apostles. No one taught in the temple on the sabbath. No one taught in the synagogues on the sabbath. The sabbath for Jews was a day of REST. 
           
          The gospel of Jesus invites sinners to be saved by JESUS, not by the keeping of any laws. The Old Testament has a book of law. The New Testament has NO book of laws.

        • servant

          @downenray  I still have your print out my friend in the which you say the commandments are nailed to the Cross!
          Stop twisting it does not become anyone! U say a day of rest then……>
          Luke 4:16  And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
          The HE here is Jesus, so much for your last idea
          Ray are you
          Satan’s advocate?
          I have never said that the N.T. has no book of laws BUT there it does repeat each of the Ten Laws!
          STOP TWISTING HIS and my words pl;ease>
          Read Rev 22:18-19 and take this to heart my friend your eternal life depends on it!

        • downenray

          @servant Are your words written in stone? I said clearly that it was “the law” which was nailed to the cross. That’s far more than just the ten commandments. The entire law system was abolished by Jesus and replaced with a totally new Way of life not based on law but rather based on love and liberty. We have no book of law because we’re not now under a law system if we are in Christ. I’m sorry you think my restating your position is twisting it. Do you really not realize that Jesus was a Jew and obeyed the Jewish law (of Moses) perfectly, and that this has nothing to do with how WE should live who love Him and respect Him as our Lord.

        • servant

          @downenray  The ENTIRE LAW OF GOD? Please show Book chapters and verses for this idea of yours! I have at least 20 Bibles and I can/’t find anything other than the Law of Moses, the ceremonial laws being done away with!
          By the way Ray, with your idea of the O.T being for Jews only, and the N.T only for Christ men and women what does this say to you?
          John 3:14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
          Jesus spoke about Moses thus tying both together as one Book!
          So tell me Ray, are believing Jews saved if they have lived up to the truth received?
          If not why this?Matthew 1:21  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
          OR this?
          Acts 4:11-12  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
          Remember the Bible always proves itself within itself, and thus YOU can’t prove your statement by Bible verses.
          Pray for wisdom to understand as you study His Word, ad HE want you to understand it, as HE ‘ll never steer you wrong, but many men shall!
          Why else are so many denominations running head long back to the Mother Church?
           
          Revelation 17:4-7  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.  And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
          SELAH RAY SELAH

        • servant

          @downenray NO NO NO! It is not my twisting I call attention to but Yours and YOURS. . . alone!
          Please re-read Rev. 22:18-19 for your sake!

        • downenray

          @servant
          It’s only ignorance that causes you to teach error, I’m sure. We who read and believe the apostles’ writings understand that Jesus saves while keeping laws apart from Jesus ends in death. Jews cannot be saved by keeping the law. Hebrews speaks to this fact. The old law is no longer effective to save sinners. And Paul makes clear in Romans that no one could possibly save themselves in the past or present by perfectly keeping God’s laws. We are sinners. Those who are saved will be saved by turning to Jesus as Lord and obeying the gospel. 
           
          How desirable it is that we would study apostolic Christianity and live as the apostles taught. Those who teach salvation by law-keeping simply have no concept of the Way of Jesus which leads to eternal life. 
           
          Obama is a Muslim. He is in a position where he can use OUR money to provide arms and other help to other Muslims. Obama wants our patriots disarmed. We do well to do whatever is needed to prevent our losing our right to bear arms as citizens of the U.S.A.

        • servant

          dowenray” YUP! Each is ignorant of something, unless one knows all, right?
          Guess you did not read Luke 14:13-31 and took notice of vs 27 did you?
          Yes the Law NEVER was intended to save anyone, it’s purpose is to IDENTIFY WHAT IS SIN! Only Christ like obedience does save.
          Since you are blind to the truths found in the O.T. look at these facts please????
          Messiah Prophecy OT                    N.T. Fulfillment
          Born/Bethlehem    Micah 5:2             Matt. 2:1
          Born of a virgin     Isa. 7:14…………….Matt. 1:18-19
          Of David’ s lineage  Jer. 23:5             Rev. 22:16
          Attempt murder by Herod Jer. 31:15     Matt. 2:16-18
          Betrayal x a friend      Ps. 41:9…………John 13:18,19,26
          Sold 4 30pcs/silver   Zech. 11:12          Matt. 26:14-16
          Pierced         Zechariah 12:10…………… Jn. 19:16-18,37
          Cast lots/clothing Ps. 22:18 [*read it all]  Mat. 27:35
          No Broken Bones Ps. 34:20; Exo 12:46…. Jn. 19:31-36
          Buried/rich man’s tomb Isa 53:9……….     Mat 27:57-60
          Year day hour of death Dan 9:26- Exo 12:6    Mat 27:45-50
          Raised 3rd day   Hosea 6:2     Acts 1038-40
           
          * Ray this Psalm 22 contains more in one single place about His death for you and me, than any other single location, YET YOU STILL DARE TO THINK LET ALONE WRITE THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE BOOKS FOR THE CHRISTIANS?
          Plus who think you are the persons written of in Gen. 3:15??
          John 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
          All things created by God through Jesus Christ, yet you still want to ignore the foundation and the framing of the Gospel, and still build YOUR house of faith with only the exterior walls and a roof? That’s building you house on the sand my friend and not on OUR Rock Jesus!
          Yes YOU R correct we R  2 keep self as Jesus set the pattern, for HE is Holy and we all must be as well, but with HIs help, as we can do what without Him? NOTHING! So pray my friend for wisdom to understand as HE wishes, and I prayed 4 U!

        • downenray

          @servant Thanks for thinking of me and wanting me to agree with your way of seeing the Bible. I fear Obama’s hatred of liberty and seek to oppose him in any way possible. As for understanding the Bible, any reader needs to realize that some of it was written for a particular people and some of it applies to all now living. To imagine that the Old Testament scriptures were written to guide Christian living is to entirely miss why they were written. Paul wrote Galatians because some Jewish Christians were demanding that the Gentiles must accept circumcision and sabbath-keeping, and were claiming they spoke for the apostles in Jerusalem in saying so. 
           
          The book of Hebrews points out clearly how superior the New Covenant is to the Old Covenant, and how different it is in purpose and methods. Those who try to live according to the Old Covenant obviously have never read or understood Hebrews. How much we do each need good sense as we seek to learn how to please Jesus! Obama is inimical to all that makes this nation great. We do well to oppose him and to tell others about the love of God and the Savior who is Jesus Christ.

        • servant

          @downenray Once more into the breech!
          Colossians 1:16-17  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
          That means Ray MR. M.T. Suit , our lying leader was chosen for a specific purpose, was It Sunday worship law in or:16-17der for Revelations 13:16-17 might be put into place?
          Now for your ideas of 2 Bibles read these texts:
          2Tim 2:8; Heb. 2:16 SELAH!  Romans 4:16  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
          2Cor. 11:22; Rom 11:1; Galations 3:19 and finally please read Romans 9 and look hard at vs 7+
           
          Sorry it’s NOT my truth that counts but our Father’s truth, why?
           
          John 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
          Ray IF, you have a good Concordance look up this word broken, it means you nor anyone cam make them say what they do not say as there are always 2 or more verses with the same object and subject matter, thus it proves itself within itself!
          But if you insist, the answer these questions: Can a Jew be saved? Cam the Savage whose has never heard of the name Christ Jesus? SELAH think and chew the cud on this

        • downenray

          @servant I admit I can’t understand what you are writing. The answer to your final two questions are: Yes, a Jew can be saved if he hears and obey the gospel of Jesus. And No, a “savage” who has never heard the gospel cannot be saved. That’s why Jesus calls for us to carry the gospel throughout the world. He loves both the Jew and the savage and wants us all to be saved.

        • servant

          @downenray  OK Ray so in your humble opinion, ALL humans who lived before Christ, and all who have never heard of, or learned about or have a relationship with, Jesus, are ALL lost??? Please show this by Book chapter and verse,PLEASE! If you cant’ them this is nothing more than another human tradition right?
          I know you  to be a “New Testament only believer so why all these N.T> verses pointing to Genesis 1? Even some that Jesus Him self,spoke.
          Mat.19:4-6; Mk. 2:27; Lk 3:38; Jn 1:1-3; 2Cor. 3:9; Heb 4:4 {missed that one?]
          James 3:9; 2Pet 3:5 Jude 11,14. all point to Gen 1 Creation.
          Please Note that Heb.4:4 points to Gen 2:1-3 the seventh day The Sabbath!
          Now Jesus worshiped and taught on this day, and You say we MUST follow His example, but are you as most a Sunday Worshiper going to Church on the FIRST DAY of the week, look at your calendar Ray! What’s the 7th day?
          But I know you have a hard time following my posts, right? Seeing as how I use mostly scripture!
          You need much prayer my friend asking for wisdom to understand HIS Word!
          John 19:28  After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. {Opps no new Scripture yet for another 30 years, so Christ fulfilled the Old Book right? That’s ALL there was in Christ’ s time!}
          Psalms 69:21  They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
           
          Galatians 3:8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. RAY ABSORB THIS VERSE AND THINK!
          2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
          Note: ALL SCRIPTURE if one uses but the N.T. try walking on one leg my friend!
          Learn my friend unless you hold the “Do not confuse me with facts, my mind’s made up type, but I hope and pray not!
          If we are both granted entry into the New Jerusalem [Rev21], lets meet on the right side of the river under the tree, on the 3rd Sabbath at 3PM OK?

      • Evermyrtle

        @downenray  @servant Nobody can forgive sin but the FATHER. I am glad the Pope belongs to you and yours. I would never worship him.
         
        You love the book of Matthew
        Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your FATHER, which is in heaven!
         
        Don’t bother to give me your, I don’t care!! I obey the verse spoken by JESUS CHRIST.

  • servant

    Dowenray: Ray when you say correctly “Laws Nailed to His Cross”, do you know there’s TWO sets of laws? the Royal Law of God the Ten Pillars, and then the Ceremonial Laws write}  by Moses and place aside the
    Ark, [not inside ass were the tablets}it was these sets of Laws that were negated at the Cross, because Christ is our true Sacrifice for sin, not blood of animals or plants.
    Colossians 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
     
    Note ordinances are not God’s 10 Laws!  Read Ezek 3:18-19 what does this tell you?

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    downenray, you should be proud of your children, and evermyrtle should be proud of herself and our religeon, i know that i am very proud of my children and our religeon, so what is up with that, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN Thanks You, Larry but you were exposed to my Kinard temper.
      sometimes, it ain’t so pretty.  Hopefully that will get him off of my back, anyway
       And, of course, I am proud om my children and grandchildren. Love Ya,  Myrtle

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    GARY JONES, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THIS ”HITLER” has BITTEN off more than he can chew, HE runs his mouth, but  can not back up anything he says, WE need to GIVE HIM something to remember USA. BY . HE ”OBAMA” NEEDS TO PACH UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD, thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA. LARRY NIEMAN

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN The one he is going to have to face after all of this destruction is GOD and that time is coming a lot sooner that he thinks. He knows nothing aboutu GOD OR HIS WORD. What he is doing is listed in HIS WORD , BUT HE  thinks he has the world by the tail and it is about to blow up in his face, I think.

    • Evermyrtle

      @LARRY NIEMAN GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY, AND ALL JOINED IN THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE EVIL ENGULFING OUR COUNTRY.

  • servant

    Dowenray; How ever so typical you can’t provide scripture other than fall on the old worn out Believe the 12 teachings, so you resort to name callings. thank you for showing your true character, that also is taught in the O.T no wonder you are where you are at! The half way house for only believing in half of God’s word, how ever so sad!

  • MrLucky

    Obama is going no where! In fact if you people don’t get a grip on yourselves you will soon be leaving to concertration camps! I know it’s hard to admit but you people have been brain washed into thinking that everything is okay! You have been sleeping! The Blacks, Mexicans, Chinese and Arabs, Cubans and everything that have come across the borders have not been sleeping. In fact, they have been very active! When you people talk or complain, no one listens! They know like on these blogs the words are empty! When the minorities speaks, their words turn into action! So, stop making yourselves look and sound like fools! Just one of the problems is we have populace in this country that ask God for everything, and refuses to help themselves! God is probably tired of their won’t look after their own interest attitude! I can’t really say I blame God! The Republican Party is a dying organization! Politics consists of who can out maneuver the other and who has the most backbone! The rest, well you people should know! If you don’t, I’m sure they will show you, one way or the other!

    • LARRY NIEMAN

      @MrLucky
       MR LUCKY, YOU ARE NOT LUCKY, BUT YOU ARE A FOOL, SO GO BACK TO BED, we can take care of this situation, You can give up, thanks LARRY NIEMAN

      • MrLucky

        @LARRY NIEMAN
         I see you morons have done a good job taking care of the problem so far! You don’t have to go back to bed, you haven’t woke up yet! Maybe people like you just don’t know any better!

        • Evermyrtle

          @MrLucky  @LARRY NIEMAN No you and your liberal henchmen have already done that . Put us in more debt that we are likely never overcome. But t that is not enough you gods have been sending millions of dollars to the enemy along with millions in equipment  to start war with us. There is one thing about it, when they get me they will get you, too.  If you think that they will spare you because you are backing them, forget that one, too. It won’t happen.
           
          Think about your standard of morals, right along with the four footed, no self control about you, in any way.

      • Evermyrtle

        @LARRY NIEMAN  @MrLucky Actually he may not have enough smarts to talk sensible, which is probably his problem. Anyway luck does not come from GOD, we get blessings from HIM. SO, luck must come from somewhere else like, maybe witchcraft.   Love Ya, myrtle.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    EVERMYRTLE, YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN, THIS whole thing about OBAMA and all of his lies, are going to BLOW UP, in his face, AND HE IS GOING TO TAKE A FLIGHT WITH THOSE dumbbo ears OF HIS,, ha  ha  ha  , HE COULD FLY TO KENYA, would that be wonderfull  YES,  I KNEW WE COULD DO IT, thank you, LOVE , LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    MR LUCKY, YOU CAN TELL THAT TO THE MILLIONS OF TEA PARTY MOVEMENT MEMBERS AND SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO, and his cold case possee, SO NOW WHO IS A MORON? , THANK YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU ANYWAY, LARRY NIEMAN

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    MR UN-LUCKY, I CERTAINLY AM NOT BACKING OBAMA, so what in the HELL are you talking about? , thanks LARRY NIEMAN

  • MrLucky

    I don’t back the Demo Party! I don’t back the replic party either! I get sick and tired of not seeing 15 cents of differance between either of them!You morons had a chance to get rid of Obama but you weren’t smart enough to do it! Either raise up and start turning things around or keep quiet! Don’t bother me anymore!!!!

    • Evermyrtle

      @MrLucky If you are not doing your share why are you whining?? You do not get a free ticket, any more than the rest of us, no more how much you think of yourself.

  • LARRY NIEMAN

    SIR. MR. LUCKY, YOU SOUND LIKE OBAMA, DO YOU by any chance, belong or have you served in the MILITARY ? ARE YOU A tea party patriot, are you a FREE MASON, have you been in the boy scouts, JUST WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH YOUR LIFE? ANYTHING. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

  • spyderdalton

    http://youtu.be/5To0r5y93mA the absolute truth… must see and pass on this video…